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10-01-2024 · 9h 19m
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You guys hear me yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep. What's up boys? How y'all doing man another day?
Miss you yeah, it was weird yesterday. I wasn't on it's uh
Well, I was I just was only on for like two hours, right? It was a lot different man
And yeah, what's this this bullshit and oh boy?
Oh boy, yeah, I'll look at this for sure. I didn't even notice this at all and good stream
Yeah, absolutely man, and yeah, I thought it was alright. It was a good little you know a few minutes, etc
And please speak on the massive Iran missile launch. That's crazy. Wow
Damn
Damn really?
Whoa
Look, they want to blow each other up
It's not my problem
It's not my fucking problem. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to see it kill each other. Don't kill us
That's my perspective. They want to deal with that. This I could give less of a fuck what happens over in the Middle East man
I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, what?
Let's be honest. So, yeah, three missiles was sent for US base as well
Well, maybe we shouldn't have had a base there about that
Maybe we shouldn't be building bases all over the fucking world. Maybe then maybe then we wouldn't have people shooting missiles at us
I don't know but hey, that's just me, right?
They shot American base with them ball them up
But if you don't like it ball them up or leave one or the other so yeah
They should listen to Russian show the fuck out. Yeah, I mean maybe right you on MMO today. Maybe I don't know
Nothing matters more dumb ass really that's crazy
Man, I didn't know that.
That's, yeah, wow, that's nuts.
How you doing today?
I'm alright.
I just got back from an appointment and, you know, we're back in it, back on it, another
day, man.
So yeah, throwing liberty today.
Yeah, maybe I might play a little bit more of it today.
I haven't really decided.
I'm not sure, but, you know, we got a lot going on.
I haven't decided whether I'm going to watch the debate tonight or not.
I don't know what time it's going to be, so we'll see what happens.
But yeah, I might, I might not.
I might watch the highlights tomorrow.
We'll see what happens, right?
Debate?
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a debate.
You see the player character in Assassin's Creed shadows was supposed to be Japanese,
but they changed it to Panda?
Yeah, I did see that.
And then somebody confirmed that to not be true.
They, like, worked there or something like that.
So I don't even, I think that's a lie.
I think people just said that because, like, so like this entire idea, basically
that Assassin's Creed shadows was going to be, I hope it's false, I'm like 99% sure it's
fake. Because like, think about the narrative. Assassin's Creed shadows was going to be a
Japanese one, a Japanese guy, but then George Floyd happened and they made him black because
they wanted to capitalize on BLM. Like that story, I'm going to be honest guys, it's
too good to be true. It's too good, like that's too poetic. No, that did not happen.
Like that is one of those things where it's like extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you know?
That's how I see it.
What debate?
And uh, 242k on uh, on uh, Throne and Liberty?
Damn! Let me go ahead and look at this, uh, Throne and Liberty.
Uh, it should be up there then, right? God damn!
Holy fuck!
That's amazing! Oh my god!
Yeah, that's a lot of people, man.
Jesus, I wonder what it's gonna go to.
I have no idea. Yeah, I want to fight. It's got yet turn the box on boys. Let's go
Hmm. Yep. Get him started. There it is
500k minimum
242k is that more than concord?
You know what? I think it just might barely beat it out. I think so. Please check the starfield DLC
Sure. Let me look at starfield
Is it even on the top 10? No
That's more than I expected
That's a lot of people
Yeah, that's that's a lot of people guys 20,000 people playing Starfield. That's a lot
Yeah, I don't know what to say man
This Xbox it so far. It's fun. Really? Well 19,000 other people agree a lot of paid streamers
Maybe I was thinking about playing it myself, but um, I
Just found out I found something better to do, you know check the banana game
Oh the banana game is doing great, man. I'm pretty sure yeah, it's still at
300,000 people playing the banana game. It's just people that are botting like it's crazy that steam has this game on there
Yeah, I don't know how this happens. Holy fuck. I know but there's a lot of people are hungry
They want their bananas. Whatever happened to shrouds game. Um, I'm not sure. I
even forgot the name of it
Spectre divide was that it? I'm trying to remember what it was called, but yeah
Why steam cares? Oh, I don't know
I mean it depends on like what the quality of the game is etc
But yeah, it could look bad if you have a game that's like massively bought it
But who knows right and it died instantly. Well, it's hard to keep it's hard to make a game man
And the problem is like as a content creator
Like this is an issue that at least like I have is it's hard to dedicate enough time to like, you know
Focus on everything like being a content creator is like kind of it's a full-time job really
If you're streaming like you're you're streaming like seven eight hours a day, but that's a lot of time
You're spending doing this like you're locked in and so all that time you can't really spend working on anything else. So yeah
Yeah, work. Hey, it is what it is, right? And yeah, it's hard to do. But yeah, Lupo's
throwing shots at you. What do you say? What are you going to say about me? He said, what
are you saying about me? Yeah, Check Throne Liberty Global Launch today. Yeah, I'll have
to look at it and see what it is. That's why it's successful. I guess specter's problem
is having a core mechanic that's overly complex to most players. You don't brush your
teeth well I mean that's actually not true I do brush my teeth it doesn't take
that long I only got five of them right so what's the problem there you watched
in your title or will be era about Polish border no I didn't see that you
know I've no idea about any of that shit you see World War three started yeah
there's apparently like some yeah people blowing each other up and shit yeah
There's not a mass shooting
What's this year? Let me see World War three. Yeah, let me see trending Iran number one
Here we go. Let me go ahead. I'm on me at this real quick
So here it is. And so you have this is just I guess an average day
I'm gonna be honest man. Like I watch this and am I the only person that feels like
Like
It's crazy to watch this and to think that we have people here that are complaining about like
You know whether a character in a in a TV shows gay or not, right?
It really like it really puts it into perspective because like
Imagine living in this place about fat positivity, right? Like it's actually like
This is the thing is I don't want to see the US get like entangled in like a conflict in the Middle East
Like I don't want to see us get entangled in it, but don't you know, don't get it twisted. I think this is horrible
This is fucking it's fucking terrible. What's happening over there?
Like I and I think that the truth is like for a lot of civilians like on both sides
Like they don't have anything to do with this like they don't like yeah
Maybe they might not like those other people, but it's not like they're really you know out there trying to kill them
They're just trying to live their fucking life man. Just the same as everybody else's so watch this shit, bro
Like take a look at this
Oh my god, look at that.
As far as I know, this is real.
This is like straight out of Helldivers too.
M-O-W, yeah.
Oh my god, but pictures A.I. made, I'm not sure.
I think they got a few other ones, right?
So yeah, um...
What's the message to Iran?
Don't.
As President Biden said, just don't.
Exactly.
One word.
Pretty straightforward.
What's the message all right well there it is and then there's no it's this one too again
The people of Iran should know Israel stands with you
wait
Leaders of Iran I speak
Wait what oh
I I I don't know the iron dome is failing to stop Iran's missiles. Oh
Oh
Ooh, they got him.
Oh, oh, oh.
Maybe they did that on purpose? Yeah, it's bad.
Uh, total of EVE's severe terror attack.
What is this? Iran attacks Israel.
Massive attack of over 400 ballistic missiles fired at Israel by Iran sirens across Israel.
Oh, fuck!
God damn!
Yeah, yeah, they killed like some leaders in Hezbollah.
I saw stuff about that.
I mean it's it's been a lot bro it's been a whole lot let me see there's another
one here they're gonna die maybe I mean I'm sure somebody will I mean that's a
guarantee think about how loud that is in real life yeah for real I think it's
crazy to watch this and like think about how how comfortable and safe we
are in our country you know it really is something that's special and I don't
I think we take it for granted too much and yeah, it's nuts for now
Yeah, it's been for now for the entire history of America, right?
I mean the truth is like, you know, there's only like I mean no other country really has the same military power as us
Besides like China and like we do so much business with China. We're not gonna get in a war with China
Realistically, right? And so like it's not really gonna happen. So like we're very lucky. We're extremely lucky
Russia Russia can't even take over Ukraine
You think they're gonna, you think they're gonna come over to here?
No, they can barely even fucking handle that.
Russia's already busy, okay?
Like, they've already, like, yeah, bro, like, they've got Agro on something else.
They got no time for this.
Yeah, true base. I'm just being honest, right?
What if it does, though? I mean, it's scary.
It really is. This shit's fucking scary.
It's like America with Vietnam. That's right.
That's right. That was a war over there, not over here.
Video has reported impacts in Israel from Iran missiles. Yeah, big fucking surprise
God damn
Israel's wars are not our wars true. Oh
My god more footage right now from Iran's attack on Israel. Well, it's like anybody could expect this shit to happen
I mean like fuck like you can't go and kill people over there and like bomb them and think it's not gonna happen
Of course they're gonna retaliate look at this
Oh, it's like the 4th of fucking July.
This is crazy.
Oh my god.
Check Trump's Twitter bro?
Yeah, I'll look at it in a minute.
I-I-I like this is all just-
Isn't it so crazy like this shit's happening like in real time?
I always- like I-I think about that a lot.
It's like the fact that we're watching this stuff happen like live.
like these are videos from like 20 minutes ago right stuff like that that's incredible man like uh
you know we're living history it's surreal it really is let's watch the next one
damn look at them all
damn
I wonder who they're bombing I wonder if they're just like bombing like random civilians they're
So probably bombing, bombing like military bases, I would assume.
Look at that.
That's incredible.
A mix?
Yeah.
I mean, like, definitely there's always going to be a mix.
I just wonder like what the targeting is.
You know, it's like, yeah, it's like, do they have a dart board?
And they just like throw it, throw a dart and they're like, all right, let's
bomb there.
I feel like probably not, right?
Just so you understand what one of the ballistic missiles from Iran looks
fired like.
What the fuck?
Oh my God.
Yeah, I would stay the fuck away from that. Iran officially declares a state of war against Israel.
Wow, this happened six minutes ago? That's crazy.
Wow. That's huge. Yeah, it is.
Like that's nuts. Like six minutes ago. Wow. Didn't I do that already? I don't know.
Paul you're on downfall
honestly like I
This is like my honest opinion about like this whole conflict. I don't really think it like at a certain point
I just think it's sad. I think it's really sad
Because there's so many people that get killed in these conflicts that have nothing to fucking do with either side
They're not trying to do anything. They're not trying to like, you know destroy some other country
Just want to live their life and you know just be safe and this happens. It's fucking terrifying, right?
It's so scary like who's right. Who's wrong in my opinion?
It's not my business
Maybe that's just me right but like I see this it's not my business to figure out like what like who it is or anything
Like that. It's scary. Everyone's wrong. I guess so
More immigrants to Turkey? Maybe, I don't know.
Is that all it has been? Yeah, I guess so.
People just trying to live? Yeah, it's genuinely frightening.
Uh, wow. Has been trying to be sympathetic?
Well, I think like, really, I mean, I can see if I was them, right?
It's like, it's just disappointing that it happens, right? It's just sad.
It's sad. I feel like anybody, like, you don't need to be like a fucking, you know, an empath to understand that it's sad.
that it's sad that there's like a bunch of civilians who are getting bombed over some bullshit
yeah I mean like it really isn't like you don't need to be a genius to figure that out right I mean damn
listen to the Benjamin Netanyahu message message he agrees with you does he agree with me I mean
then I don't know I mean it's hard to say from Iran from Iran with love oh my god
Jesus. Oh God. That's incredible.
Put yourself in their shoes. It's fucking scary. Exactly, man. Yeah. Better build your
bunkers. I mean, I don't think it would really matter. Yeah. I mean, the type of missiles
and shit pray for Israel. Like why? Like, I mean, I just, I mean, I, I feel like
this conflict is so like in my opinion right this is my opinion I feel like this conflict
is so messy and so convoluted I would not even begin to say who's right and who's wrong
I'm gonna be honest like it's I have no idea I legitimately have no fucking idea it's just
fucking crazy yeah the world against it yeah I guess so it's completely unnecessary conflict
most conflicts are like that
uh... pray for my wallet during inflation can get two fucks about them
yeah i get that i think that's the way a lot of americans feel
and uh... a lot of people in america probably don't have a lot to do with
it with this multiple well
okay as we got to go through
he's coming down right next to us here
they're coming down one just about
we're going to say that's nuts
okay guys we got to get us to the action of a damn
Wow.
It's fine, don't worry about it.
I don't know, man, it doesn't look fine to me.
Yeah, it seems pretty bad.
State Department's making a statement soon.
Hopefully the US stays out of it.
No, I'll watch it.
Um, yeah.
I just, um, I don't even know what to say.
Yeah, it's like this is the beginning of World War 3.
I mean, I don't know.
I think that careful scrolling.
There's Gore.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I'm not even sure.
But, uh, man, holy fuck, man, World War 3, yeah, I guess so.
If a streamer gets drafted, can they bring the IRL backpack?
That's the real question, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Time to invest some Lockheed Martin, I guess so.
That's a good, yeah, that's actually a good point.
We can't get into another war besides Ukraine.
Where is that a challenge?
Is that a challenge?
Is there there you're trying to you think that they can't do it?
Let me see here of all the scape three. There's that there's all this shit.
Let me see what would Trump say about this?
I'm sure it'd be something good.
Oh, this is just some bullshit.
Yeah, he didn't even reply or talk about this at all.
So yeah, I guess there's nothing there.
Live White House press conference.
Where is it White House press briefing?
Let me look this up and see it.
Ooh, okay, here we go.
Alright, let's watch it.
Incredible, man.
Absolutely incredible.
And we're here, bro. Like, we actually were here.
We're watching this live.
Like, that's... it's unbelievable.
Absolutely unbelievable.
You didn't warn him on Twitter?
Yeah, I don't know.
You know, play Starfield DLC?
Uh, probably not, no.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think I will.
Like I just the game just isn't fun
Like that's just straight up the reason. I mean, I would play it if the game was fun, but it's just not fun
Let's say pass up. Yeah, I mean, that's all there is to it
Star pronouns. I mean, I feel like that's not the reason why I wouldn't play it, right?
I mean, I could say there's a lot of reasons, but that's not one of them
Nice to use your platform to inform. Yeah. I mean like, uh
It's scary to see how this happens, man. It really is dark branded incoming. I wonder. No
No, it's not even going to be Biden.
It says, Kareem Jintiar, that's not even it.
So, we'll see what happens, right?
Tensions since you're rising at this time,
I don't think we'll get involved directly,
but this announcement will indeed be a big one.
Yeah, I mean, I just, I feel like we have
so many domestic problems.
The last thing that I'd want to see happen
is everybody coming and us trying to get involved
with a foreign conflict, right?
like we have so many domestic issues here
like what's the
what what are we doing right
but yeah i get their bathrooms exactly
or one sort of like that just saying yet it did
and also sound started with an assassination
just like uh... a lot of the guys from like has more getting killed too
yeah it's actually true
there was an iron don't failure the iron dome is for rockets and not ballistic
missiles
is that right
Well, either way, uh, they got, they got bombed.
I mean, I don't know what else to say about it besides that.
So yeah, the ports are taking a strike today too.
Yeah, I saw that.
I'll talk about that later on today.
Hmm.
Man, I wonder how long it's going to take for this to come out there for it to start.
Uh, let me look at some of these other ones here and just see this.
Oh, man.
Isn't it incredible?
Cause like you think about like the amount of footage that we have from like
World War two and World War one and like now you have like so many people that are just like recording videos
And you've got so much footage of like this stuff happening from like a live civilian POV
That's incredible, right? That's amazing
It's just a bunch of fucking missiles getting shot over there
Hundreds of blows the missiles fired at Israel by Iran. I'm not worried about Israel at all. They'll survive
I think that Israel will survive if we allow them to survive.
I think that the U.S. is really what's going to back them up or not.
Oh, Jesus.
Damn, there's a lot of these.
Is there, how many of these videos are there?
Oh my God.
This is the end of Iran?
Oh my God.
Should drop a nuke on them?
Why should we nuke them?
Like, just fucking stay out of it.
Yeah, what do you mean?
There's already a bombing a couple of months ago, nothing will happen after this.
No, the bombing a couple of months ago was nothing compared to this.
Like, this is nothing, bro.
Like, sorry, that was nothing, bro, compared to this.
Like, this is insane.
Like, this is, bro, this is like the, this is like, at the end of a mission in Helldivers.
This is crazy.
What are you talking about?
Like the other one they bombed one thing and it was like a remote military base. There's nothing crazy like this is nuts
They've been instigating. Yeah
So nothing compared to what the US could do. Yeah, well, of course, I mean right
I mean we're a lot bigger than Iran or or the other one a fucking Israel, right? So yeah, of course, that's true
Breaking Iran says Israel will be targeted again if it responds. Oh boy
How do they even think they can win this either side?
One of the big important things that a lot of people need to understand is that politicians
in a lot of cases, like if somebody gets bombed or something like that, the people in that
country will want the politician to react to that.
And so they have to like, basically if Iran or Israel gets attacked, there's a lot
a political pressure that's put on them to respond. And so it's like, if they don't respond,
there's like a whole separate set of problems, right? So I think that's really what happens
too. Everybody's an military expert. I'm not, you know, I'm not sure about that, right?
They see how many were injured. I mean, I don't think that we're going to know that
until probably tomorrow. And who knows, probably by tomorrow they might kill more
people. So it's hard to say. No way the Iran
military has a twitter account and they say these are hypersonic systems catch
them if you can I refuse to believe this is real like I mean it doesn't have
the gold check mark like there's no way there's no way not a real account yeah
I don't believe this but that's fucking nuts seems fake as fuck yeah I guess so
But, uh, oh my god. Oh boy, oh boy. CNN confirms Israel is using human shields strategically
positioning its command and control center in densely populated civilian areas. Let me
go ahead and listen to this.
The U.S. intel view that among the targets were Israeli airfields, but also, and this
is crucial, the headquarters of Mossad, the international intelligence service of Israel,
which is inside Tel Aviv.
It's in the northern part of Tel Aviv,
but it's in the city.
It's in a densely populated area.
And of course, the concern is if you're firing,
even though Iran might consider that a military target,
it is in a densely populated city
with civilians around it.
And that's just one more layer of escalation.
Well, I mean, then there's civilians
who are gonna get killed.
I mean, like, what the fuck
do you think is gonna happen, right?
I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Iran's bringing heat? Yeah, I mean that's just what's gonna happen. Apparently most of them were intercepted, that's why they glow.
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
No one got killed? You telling me like all these rockets on a single person got killed? I don't know.
Palestinians in the West Bank are happy with the gifts sent to them from Iran?
Wait, what?
That's insane. I can't imagine living this way, bro. It's actually insane the fact that
this is the reality, right? Maybe it's just me, but I see this and it's just such a shock.
Such an incredible fucking shock to see this. Imagine it reactivates? I don't know. I'm
I'm sure they probably understand us, Bob.
Innocent Palestinian civilians celebrating Iran's missiles.
Wait, what?
So they're happy that, yeah, I mean, of course, of course.
Yeah, insane people in this thing.
No, I mean, it's disgusting nonetheless.
They're enemies, yeah, they're enemies, I mean, for sure.
No, like everybody weak, they won't revenge.
You gotta think in mind, like, this is the,
It's obviously like, yeah, it's bad that it's bad that like Palestinians are like celebrating,
you know, Israeli civilians getting killed, right?
Like that's stupid.
It's bad.
But at the same time, like, I mean, a lot of us were around when September 11th happened.
Bro, like we were doing the same thing.
Yeah, I'll tell you this, right?
like if uh if that october 7th thing had happened to the united states or if it had happened to uh
to china palestine wouldn't exist anymore that's just the truth it wouldn't even exist
so like people yeah that'd be over they'd be totally wiped out and so you know we can go and
talk down and say how this is so bad that they're acting this way but we'd do the same
thing if we were in this situation. Absolutely. That's right. Yeah. I'd be happy to get bombed
or I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I'd be happy to be honest. I would get bombed every day
and now someone's bombing them back. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you see it from their point
of view. Like, of course, that's the way they're going to see it. Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
Oh, is this a better, a better image? Let me see if I can find it. Let me see how
I'll watch it again. Damn, that's incredible. Look at that. Wow. Yes, loud as fuck.
I know, man.
Is there an American embassy at Israel?
What happens if that get bombed?
I don't know.
I mean, I have no idea.
I mean, it's, you know, they said they're gonna do
a press briefing and talk about it.
So we'll see what happens.
The Trump campaign launched a new ad
following the Islamic Republic of Iran's
barrage of ballistic missiles and at Israel.
What is this?
Like us, China also saw their weakness.
So did Putin.
Then he arrived Ukraine.
Hamas saw Harris anti-Israel statements
and will use it as a green light
to keep murdering Israelis.
And Iran thinks Harris is so incompetent.
New Intel shows they're trying to help Harris win the election.
America doesn't need another TikTok performer.
We need the strength that will protect us.
I'm Donald J. Trump and I approve this message.
Like I'm pretty decent commercialized.
Yeah, I mean of all the ones that I've seen that was a pretty good one
Let's see
Aranya's hypersonic missile here's how it looks unlike the others
Damn damn
So what happens here 180 ballistic missiles most of them are intercepted outside of Israel out of those that made it
There was one directed a few landed in open territories and weren't intercepted on purpose. That's about it
yeah VP debate tonight today it's at 8 p.m. okay the fucker it's fast and hard
yeah there's only one hit I mean I don't know I think we'll just wait and see it
says 80% of Iranian missiles hit their target in Israel I mean it it's I mean
I've already seen more than one direct hit it certainly seemed like an explosion
to me I feel like it's so hard to know like what's true and what's not look
Look at that.
Oh my god.
One hit by the way.
I mean it's hard to say but I just can't imagine that's one hit.
Especially with close explosions right?
I mean maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't look that way to me.
I'll tell you that.
There's been reports of over 25 direct hits but it looks like 50 or more.
Yeah.
Oh, Jesus
You can see the ones that are hit by the shield the rest seem to be getting through
Yeah, like I feel like that one just got hit like you guys see three right here like watch. There's three
Watch this is three. I
Feel like they just hit that one
like that that's I mean
So if that's what it looks like and if that if that's what it looks like if they hit one
Then what are all the other ones doing?
Yeah, you know what I mean like I mean it certainly doesn't look like it's one out of 50, right?
This is all video a new video. I think this one is a yeah, this is a new video, right?
Yeah, watch Iran's missiles literally ran on Toby. Yeah, what the fuck man. Oh
my god
Iran declares state of war against Israel
Man
That's a lot of that's a lot of them bro like yeah. Oh my god
Chet's super desensitized and unhinged what the fuck why cuz people don't care about it the same way that you do
I mean you shouldn't expect to see a lot of uh, I
Mean big surprise a bunch of people in the West don't give a fuck about what happens in the Middle East
Like is it really that big of a shock to you?
Like I mean yeah, why would people give a fuck straight up why would they care?
Like they don't live there. They don't know anybody that lives there. I mean like what is this?
So yeah, of course, that's the way people are gonna see it. Some people have values. That's just your opinion
Okay, well, I'm just telling you like this is just that's just what I think is gonna happen, right?
I'm just yeah, I'm just telling you what's gonna happen. Like you're gonna get mad at me for it
Then that's that's on you
Close footage of Ronnie missiles destroying the Vadom airbase. What's this?
So this an airbase?
Oh my god, Jesus
man
The candles lit by the US. I assume most of the time so they're mad at that
I think that the US does do of you know, they do a pretty good job at a
You know like trying to you know dial this up. Absolutely for sure
I mean like I I've said this a million times
I feel like everybody says this like absolutely like pretty much any I feel like a lot of you guys probably feel the same way
where it's like, I'm okay to help other countries, but I think that we play too big of a role in other
countries' military shit. Like, we're too interventionary. We get too involved into other
people's business. It's a waste of our money. The people there probably fucking hate us.
Like, where's really the upside here, right? Let's stay out of it. Yeah, exactly. I'm not
saying like we should be totally isolationist, but I think that the level that we try to
play nation building especially in places like this like you know like Libya for example back in the day
what the fuck or Iraq no absolutely not yeah it's too much man way too much
military industrial complex demands that we get involved in those other countries selling them
arms getting involved in their wars etc i'm telling you guys that metal gear solid playthrough
like that because i'm gonna i'm gonna do one and two before three comes out and then i'll do four
and five after three comes out it can't come soon enough man yeah yeah yeah y'all
cap it but I played revengeance yeah I played all the way through that I can
kill the last boss but like I pretty much beat everything else you guys
Biden's gonna give another 500 billion after this to repair all the F-35s
and shit I don't know I guess we'll find out just needed new to terrorists for
and be done with it? I don't know. I think like, um, I think unless you genocide everybody there and
you just kill all of them, like that's basically what like Genghis Khan did back in the day, right?
You can't like isolate the extremists out of the, like out of a group like this. It just doesn't
work because that's not the way a culture in society works. Like people are still going to
have more in common in a lot of cases with the extremists that are part of their group,
then they will with the people that are killing the extremists that are in their group because most
of the time you have to figure out like why people are doing something and then figure out how to
make them stop doing it because you can't just like kill you know like oh yeah we're gonna kill
like all the bad guys there and then there's not gonna be any more bad guys the the process of
doing that creates more bad guys which is how it is most Missouri uh rage wars are religion
that religious duty is to destroy the infidels and die trying.
I feel like you can find, if you want to find a religious reason to kill somebody, every
one of the Abrahamic religions will give you that opportunity.
I don't think Islam has a monopoly on violence.
There's been plenty of violence that's been committed under Christianity and under Judaism.
Like, come on.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that obviously Islam has terrorist problems.
It absolutely does.
obvious, right? But that doesn't mean that they're the only ones that have this issue.
You know, all religions are bad. Yeah, but they're still doing it. Yeah, they're still doing it.
I mean, didn't George Bush go on record and say that God was one of the ones that told them
they should start the war in the Middle East? I'm pretty sure he did. So like it's just that,
like again, I think that people have like kind of short term memory. Yeah, people think like,
oh yeah, this only happens. Is this outcome? No. No, it happens that people always use reasons.
That's Dick Cheney. Same thing.
I mean, he's vice president.
Why did the Crusades happen? Because Islam conquered Spain?
Sure. I'm...
What I'm saying is that
it's not about, like, one instance.
It's not about that. What I'm saying is people will always find a reason to be violent because of religion.
It doesn't matter. Like, I mean, you're really going to tell me that you can't find a reason to be violent in the Bible?
You're really going to tell me that, like, you can't find a reason for that? I mean, come on.
Give me a break.
This is completely fucking false, as long as it promotes peace wherever possible.
It's not like, you're not gonna, dude, what are we even doing talking about this?
Nobody's gonna change their mind.
Yeah, nobody here is gonna change their mind.
Like, I mean, what are we doing?
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Romans killed plenty of people under the guise of Christianity, the centuries before
the Crusades.
Romans just killed people for all kinds of reasons, but yeah, you'll find a reason,
yeah, it does.
I mean, millions of Muslims live in the West, so I don't buy the terrorist problem line.
I think it's, again, like, I don't want to argue about, like, whose religion is right
or wrong.
It's just, at the end of the day, people are gonna, they're gonna think what they're
gonna think, and there's no reason to, like, argue about it with people, because
nobody's gonna, like, nobody's gonna change their mind on this, right, guys?
Like, nobody's gonna be like, wow, you know what, like, now I'm gonna look at
it a different way.
That's not gonna happen.
So what are we even doing wasting our time?
So yeah, radicals are the bad ones?
Yeah, I think that's true with any religion.
Jesus.
Oh boy, oh boy.
American-ass mindsets?
Yeah, I guess so.
Why are you acting like you just saw the college trailer?
Yeah, I mean, that's the way it feels, right?
You've probably never been there either and talking at your ass, of course.
Of course, yeah.
No, I mean, like, well, this is the mind of people like this, right?
Yeah, you're not putting it up in there, just need to nuke the terrorists for real and be
done with it.
This is the person who's talking about how other people are uneducated.
You just need to nuke the terrorists for real, for real, bro, like, for just nuke them.
That's it, it's that simple.
So yeah, that's the mind of a dissenter, you know?
Who'd want to go there?
Yeah, also, like, by the way, you're goddamn right, I don't live there.
You think I would want to live in this fucking shithole?
This is a hell, this is a hellscape.
living here this sucks yeah like this is awful why the fuck would I want to be
here yeah you're living in a pvp server exactly it's not even a question truth is
this is very sad if it's truly Iranians are not Arabs they're quite European
actually I don't it doesn't matter like I don't want I don't know if that's
true or not yeah I have no idea I'm gonna be real like downtown Austin's the
pvp zone yeah but only on certain days most of the time it's pretty
normal. But there can be hostile NPCs down there. I'll tell you that. We'll look at a
few other ones too. Are you ready for the draft? I feel like it's just
super, super, super unlikely that the US is ever gonna do a draft again. I
feel like a lot of people might care about this and they might have
like a side that they want to agree with but like do they care about it enough to like publicly
be okay with like having you know family members and friends send over to like fight a war and die
for this no no people don't give a fuck about it that much absolutely not yeah well let's be real
it's just it's too unpopular yeah like I think that what's interesting about this topic is that
like basically both sides are incredibly unpopular in the eyes of the American public right
There's a bunch of people who hate Iran and there's a bunch of people who hate Israel
So I just can't really see the u.s taking a side and then doing a draft going over well
Because I think it'll alienate way more people because like usually I mean like for example like pearl harbour like japan
Attacks america right like boom. There it is. Wow
september 11th like you know
You know islamic terrorists fly airplanes into the fucking twin towers. Wow. That's really bad, right?
Whereas like this like there's not really a lot of sides to that
It's like this is obviously bad that it happened, but I think with this it's like it's a way more complex issue and so
People don't want to be involved with it and I think that's why there's a
I find it to be really funny whenever somebody starts virtue signaling about like this topic and like trying to like pick a side to
Like say the right thing and then like they always get attacked and picked apart by the other side
and they have to like delete it or walk it back it's like people just can't understand the idea that
you know like this year like it's there's not like a good and evil here right i mean there's
just bad actors in both cases it's not even a question the difference is that most people uh
that support uh islam are many people that identify themselves as a helicopter wait what
what do you talk about you think like people that support islam are okay with this i i don't
I mean, I could see people, I mean, I'm sure like if you took a sample size of like all the people that were like the average public and then average like, you know, Muslims and then average like Jews.
Yeah, you'd probably see a higher correlation for like the different respective groups in being supportive of their respective group.
Yeah, for sure.
get 100% I I think I like I mean we're really gonna act like that's not the case like of course
that's the case yeah sure I'm not worth anyone in this story yeah for real the USA is world police
now uh that's what the movie was about yeah I'm surprised they haven't really done a press briefing
or said anything about this at all like they uh haven't even made a response or anything
Okay, this morning VP and I convened our national security team to discuss Iranian planes to
launch an imminent missile attack against Israel.
We discussed that the United States is prepared to help Israel defend against these attacks
and protect American personnel in the region.
Well, great.
Maybe he'll be able to entangle us into a war before the election.
It's not my warrant?
Yeah.
Not all Jews are Israeli.
I think people fail to notice that.
Yeah, I know that.
Everybody knows that.
There's plenty of Jewish people that are not Israel.
They have nothing to do with Israel.
It's a global religion.
Obviously, that's true.
Bush got two wars and you won't even give him one.
Come on, man.
Yeah.
I guess so right I mean we're gonna have to wait and see what happens you think World War 3 will happen
Do I think it will happen? No, I don't think so
And I think the reason why is because America like this conflict is too polarizing for the American public to agree on it
And I think that even the people that feel like there's people that feel like super strongly about it
But I think that in the middle there's like a huge contingency and what I would say
I think that there's like a 10% on both sides that are like
They would be willing to like they want the US to bomb Israel or they want the US to bomb Iran
Right like there's like 10% that want that but I think like the middle 80% don't want that I
Don't think that they want to get us like involved with this
Because you've got to keep in mind that you know the US didn't even enter World War two until Pearl Harbor
like World War II started in 1939 and Pearl Harbor didn't happen until the end of 1941.
It was December 7th. So I think that unless that we get attacked directly, it's just not going to happen.
90% Iranian people hate the Iranian government. If there's war, then there must be first stop the Iranian government for its people.
I mean, I think if 90% of the people hate the government, like you've got to do something about that, right?
I mean, I don't know, like, I mean, I can easily see a lot of people.
I don't know about 90%, right?
I have no idea.
But like, I could easily see a lot of people in Iran that don't want to have
anything to do with this course.
Yeah.
What happens if Iran hits the US embassy there on accident?
I don't know.
Probably we bomb Iran.
Yeah.
That's what I would assume.
Like if they hit the US embassy, yeah, I feel like we bomb them for sure.
Yeah.
It's not even a question, of course.
I'd be really surprised if they did that.
I'd be shocked.
Nothing happens.
The embassy was probably already all escorted out as usual.
That's actually probably true.
Yeah.
Yeah, if it hasn't happened already, these people are probably already gone.
President Biden directed the U.S. military to aid Israel's.
Now, President Biden and Vice President Harris are monitoring all of these ongoing developments
in real time from the White House situation room.
They have been briefed by their national security teams, and that has been going on for the
last four or five hours, I'm told.
So this is something that the U.S. had early indications of, and then they have been,
of course, tracking and in touch with their relevant counterparts in terms of Israel, another
potential allies here about how to handle it.
And another piece of information that we're just getting now, Andrea, is that
the president has indeed directed the U.S. military to help Israel's defense against these attacks
and to shoot down missiles that are targeting Israel.
This is something that we saw happen back when Iran launched those projectiles and missiles
in April and it is something that's happening again now.
There are some key...
That doesn't sound as bad.
Like he's talking about shooting down missiles that are coming at Israel.
like that's very different than aggression.
It is like that.
I mean, it could get a lot worse.
I'll tell you that.
The differences and questions
about how this attack is playing out
compared to the previous one,
but the US has been very firm
in that it will stand with Israel
and it's right to defend itself
against attacks like this specifically.
And we know that President Biden in recent weeks,
his top priority has been to try
to limit anything that would escalate to a wider war,
but as this is all happened-
That's incredible, bro.
Like, we'll get this right here.
Watch this again.
Been to try.
To limit anything that would escalate to a wider-
That's some fucking Atari asteroid shit.
Oh my God.
War, but as this is all happening so quickly,
he is developing, of course, and monitoring this,
and trying to generate whatever kind of response
the US will have to this rhetorically,
as this is still going on.
But for now, they are monitoring everything.
They are waiting to see exactly how long
these waves of attacks may continue.
And it is notable that the president
and the vice president who were supposed to have
very different schedules on a day like today
and this week that has all been altered
not just by this ongoing security situation.
I will say, I just hope it's a good thing
that Biden isn't focused on running for president now.
And hopefully he can, you know, invest more of his time into making sure this doesn't turn into a conflict, you know, like, I really hope that's what happens.
I mean, this is probably wishful thinking, right? But I just really hope so.
In the Middle East, but by the devastation from Hurricane Helene, so they are really in the moment changing things and they are really cutting aside.
again politics in the campaign trail for the moment to deal with this kind of a
national security crisis. It's nice all lasted World War three is coming. I feel
like especially from like a lot of the like the comfortable Western countries
and I think actually even China would be included in this now. I don't think
anybody wants there to actually be a war. I really don't think so. I don't
I don't think that it's, I don't think even 10% of the population wants there to be a war.
Extremely, Russia wants it.
I think that places like Russia and China, their population wanting it, is usually an
outcome of propaganda more than anything else.
I mean, these are people that live in a country where political dissent can be punished.
And they live in a country that's inundated with political propaganda that's, you know,
it's like, yeah, we have our own propaganda.
like it's like comparing a firecracker to a grenade like their propaganda is like a million times worse
like it it and it actually gets enforced right whereas like our propaganda doesn't get enforced
this guy should really change the election depending on how how Harris responds
I think it's kind of an interesting thing because like so I think that you're right and this has been
like a huge problem uh I think it's a huge problem for like democrats is that
But there's like a massive amount of pressure from like progressive and like democratic people
and like more liberal people to not be as you know staunchly defensive of Israel.
And I think that that pressure hasn't really been like it hasn't been respected by the democratic
like leadership right whether it's like Biden or Kamala Harris.
I think that's been probably the biggest like point of like infighting and the biggest point of frustration that people have had
Recognized by them. Yeah, it's that that they they're not having the opinion that I think a lot of the people that are their
Constituency or at least like the vocal ones want them to have
That's a talking point that got away from the DNC. Yeah, I think it did too
Yanks don't know how bad their propaganda is it's worse in China and Russia combined
You think Americans think our propaganda is worse than China?
Okay.
I mean like, if that's what you think, look, I mean, if reasoning with somebody would have worked, he would have never said that, right?
So what's the point even discussing this?
You're totally right. Everything you think is true.
Yeah, for sure.
Let's not even waste any time on that.
Let me see if there's any more of this.
You can't even fathom how poor the majority of Russia is. Yeah, my understanding is that Russia really isn't as good off as people might believe it is.
But I'm also like, I've never been to Russia. I don't understand their culture very well. So I'm always looking at everything through like a, you know, a distortion.
They're unbelievably poor. Yeah, that's what I hear, right? But like, I just, I don't really know that to be true.
After the missile strikes on Israel
They're really happy
I understand like ears
it's important to keep in mind right listen 10% yeah there's like what 300
people out here maybe
by actually probably more like a hundred people out here
there's plenty of people probably sitting in their house they're terrified
about getting killed
so you know you can find any crowd of people to like celebrate anything
stupid, but that doesn't mean it's like representative of a population.
So what?
There's like a few clowns out here talking shit.
Who cares?
Who do they represent other than themselves?
All the women are oppressed there.
I think that they oppressed women over there too.
I think it's really bad.
It's one of the things that I really feel like is odd to me.
To me, there's like a huge logical inconsistency about how people are so sympathetic towards
the Middle East, while at the same time the Middle East does things that are considered
like, you know, medieval and barbaric to women and gay people. I don't really understand how
like, I don't see that, right? They're building opinions. Yeah. Like I didn't I couldn't see
like myself having sympathy for a group of people that systematically kill other people
based off of their sexuality. Like that seems like crazy to me. It's like, in my
opinion like this is a culture that's ethically bankrupt, morally bankrupt. They're a bit flawed,
yeah. Thank you for buying my heart. Realizing there's not many people there. Iran has 88 million
people. Yeah, of course. You're always going to have, and this is the thing, right, is like if
we went and we bombed Russia today, like the US bombed Russia, you'd have tons of people out
there waving American flags. If America bombed any country, I guarantee you if America decided
to blow up the capital of Canada. You could find a handful of people waving American flags
around and being like, we're going to take it all over, we're going to kill them all.
You easily could find that. So I don't think it's really that crazy to see something like
this. Why would they do that though? I mean, why would these people do it? I mean, there's
a lot of reasons. I think that one of the reasons probably is the fact that I think
I think that in any culture and any society where the people in that culture and society don't have freedom of thought and freedom of speech, I treat bad actors inside of that culture less seriously and I hold it against them less because they don't really have control over what they see and what they get a chance to believe.
So when I see people that are like in China or North Korea or something like that when I see them
You know having these like crazy terrible opinions. I
don't really hold it against them because
Like you your brainwash, right? It's not even your fault
Well, like yeah, it's like you're a fish and you don't know you're in water. I
Mean, I think it's sad, right? It doesn't mean that like it's good that they're doing it
But it's just contextualized around that
That's an infantilization of them.
Yeah, that's true. And I think most people are stupid.
So I'm right.
That's what I think. That's my... Yeah, I am because most of them are probably really stupid.
The same as people here are stupid.
So yeah, they just believe the propaganda because that's what they hear. They don't really think about... Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
Just the retard razor, like I said before, right?
Why are you not even opening to learn about the other side of history? I can't believe you're so pro-Israel.
What have I said that makes you think that I'm pro-Israel?
Yeah, I'm kind of curious.
What have I said? Because you've typed this a lot.
You're going to get banned, by the way, because you're spamming.
But what did I say that's supporting Israel?
You literally said you feel no sympathy for the Middle East countries being bombed?
No, it's not my problem.
Like, absolutely not. No, I don't live there. I don't know anybody that lives there.
I don't have anything to do with it
Here we go
Sorry
All right, let's watch it. Here we go
This is the white the White House. I can respond to that guy's comment after this
You're gonna pay for them staying staying neutral as a pair of words. You think I pay for the bombs
Yeah, if I don't pay for the bombs I go to jail
Yeah, I don't have a choice
It's not like I'm like, yeah, let's throw in an extra five dollars so we can blow up one more Pratt Palestinian, right?
Like, what do you think I'm doing?
That's not how it works.
We'll give it a minute.
Would you like to round up today to help with bombs?
Yeah, exactly.
We're providing bombs to needy children.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Oh, here we go.
I'm going to be really quick here.
I have the National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan,
to talk about the latest in the Middle East.
So I'll turn it over to him.
All right.
Thank you, Karina.
Good afternoon, everyone.
I'm here to provide a brief report
on the Iranian ballistic missile attack
against Israel that occurred earlier today.
I can take just a few questions because this is an ongoing situation and I need to get back
to my desk.
Today Iran launched nearly 200 ballistic missiles towards targets in Israel.
The United States military coordinated closely with the Israeli Defense Forces to help defend
Israel against this attack.
U.S. naval destroyers joined Israeli air defense units in firing interceptors to
shoot down inbound missiles.
And Biden and Vice President Harris monitored the attack and the response from the White
House situation room joined in person and remotely by their national security team.
We are still working with the IDF and the authorities in Israel to assess the impact
of the attack.
But at this time, and I stress at this time, we do not know of any deaths in Israel.
We are tracking the reported death of a Palestinian civilian in Jericho in the West Bank.
We do not know of any damage to aircraft or strategic military assets in Israel.
In short, based on what we know at this point, this attack appears to have been defeated
and ineffective.
This was first and foremost the result of the professionalism of the IDF, but in no
small part because of the skilled work of the U.S. military and meticulous joint
planning in anticipation of the attack.
We're also aware of reports of a terrorist attack in Jaffa that took the lives of
number of Israeli civilians and wounded several others today. Our condolences go out to the
families of the victims.
Was that the shooting?
And to the family of the Palestinian civilian in Jericho. Obviously, my update here is based
on early reports, and we reserve the right to amend and adjust as necessary as we gather
more information. The word fog of war was invented for a situation like this. This
is a fluid situation. We will consult with the Israelis on next steps in terms
of the response and how to deal with what Iran has just done, and we will continue to
monitor for further threats and attacks from Iran and its proxies.
We are particularly focused on protecting U.S. service members in the region.
And with that, I'll take just a few questions.
Okay.
Thanks, Jay.
Is the administration making any preparations to evacuate U.S. citizens from Lebanon
or elsewhere in the region?
We have to be clear for some time now that U.S. citizens should avail themselves
of commercial means to depart Lebanon, get everything that's going on.
We have said that from this podium, from multiple podiums, we continue to say that, but we have
not begun triggering a noncombat emergency evacuation, a NIO, and do not have an intention
to do so at this time if that changes we'll let you know, but we continue to reinforce
the point American citizens in Lebanon should follow the guidance from the State Department,
which is to find civilian commercial means to depart.
Get the fuck out of this.
Because in extremists, we may not be able to get them out safely.
Yes.
Thanks, Jake.
What is the U.S. view on whether Israel should retaliate, and what is your concern about this
leading to a wider escalation of war in the region?
We've had some initial discussions with the Israelis in the aftermath of this at
the military level and also at the White House to Prime Minister's office level.
We'll continue those conversations in the hours ahead.
I'm not going to prejudge or get ahead of anything.
We want to have some deep consultations with the Israelis.
And I'll have more to report to you after we get the opportunity for deeper discussions.
Obviously, this is a significant escalation by Iran, a significant event.
And it is equally significant that we were able to step up with Israel and create a situation in which no one was killed in this attack in Israel so far as we know at this time.
We are now looking at what the appropriate next steps are to secure first and foremost
American interests and then to promote stability to the maximum extent.
Yeah, I don't know.
So we should go forward.
Yeah.
Back in April, the President's message to the interests to take the win when the U.S.
and Israel were able to intercept the barrage of Iranian missiles.
Is he recommending a similarly limited response this time?
I will not, from this podium, share the President's recommendations.
He will have the opportunity to share them directly.
going to have as I said ongoing consultations with the Israelis this afternoon.
He's going to be talking?
He's too early for me to tell you anything publicly in terms of our assessment or in
terms of what our expectations are of the Israelis or the advice that we will give
them.
So will he be speaking to the Prime Minister then?
I don't have anything to announce from this podium.
Duh.
I can tell you that he is tracking us minute by minute.
We are very much in touch with the Israelis and insofar as we have calls to read
out we'll make sure to read them out with you.
Just last question then I'll turn it over.
in April after Iran struck Israel, the U.S. issued a number of sanctions as a consequence.
This morning the President said there would be severe consequences if Iran carried out
this attack.
What are those consequences and are they more severe than sanctions?
Totally legitimate question and that answer will come based on the conversations and
consultations we have.
Great question.
All right, soon for me to stand before you today and give you an answer. What I'm going to tell you is this
We are proud of the actions that we've taken alongside Israel to protect and defend Israel
We have made clear that there will be consequences severe consequences for this attack and we will work with Israel to make that the case
Thank you very much. Well, that says a lot
Thank you, Jake. Okay. Yeah on to the rest of the rest of the programming here
This morning President Biden was briefed by his Homeland Security advisor
One second, I agree with Randall.
On the latest impacts of Hurricane Helene
and this afternoon we will receive an interagency briefing
on the Hurricane Helene response and recovery efforts.
At the President's direction,
the Biden-Harris administration continues to use
every tool available to get assistance and resources
to the communities that need them the most.
Yesterday the President approved
a major disaster declaration for Georgia
which will unlock additional assistance
to help those recovering.
This is in addition to the major disaster declaration
swiftly approved by the president following requests
from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida,
as well as requests for emergency assistance
across seven states.
Tomorrow, the president will travel
to Raleigh, North Carolina,
where he will visit the State Emergency Operations Center
to meet with local officials and also first responders.
And the vice president will travel
to Augusta, Georgia tomorrow and will then head to North Carolina in the coming days.
As of today, thousands of personnel from across the federal workforce are deployed in supporting
state-led hurricane Haleen response efforts across the six affected states, including
over 1,200 personnel in North Carolina.
Still there is more work to be done and the Biden-Harris administration will be there
for these communities every step of the way.
Now, as you can see, we also have Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas.
Thank you, Corinne.
Good afternoon.
Before standing at the podium, I was at FEMA's National Operations Center being briefed by
our personnel as well as state emergency personnel.
I thought it very moving and very telling that North Carolina's Emergency Management
director described Hurricane Helene as catastrophic and noted the fact that
it is shining towns situated along the yeah had virtually disappeared had been
completely destroyed in fact Hurricane Helene is of a an historic magnitude
this many states hit this hard the wind field of the hurricane stretched 350
miles from its center. More than 100 fatalities have been reported. Hundreds and
hundreds of homes and businesses destroyed. Our hearts went that one.
Those underwater loved ones and we pray for the swift
assistance and rescue of those who are currently missing. We are in different
phases of a post hurricane environment, depending on the state and the
location within the state. In some areas, we are still in search and recovery,
search and rescue operations. Seems that way. We are in fact in the response and
recovery phase. I thought I would give you some of the latest statistics based
on the briefing that I received. And I should say that these numbers are, as
you can all well understand, quite dynamic and fluid. They change minute
by minute and hour by hour. But just as devastating as the hurricane has been of the response
of federal, state and local authorities has been extraordinary. We have more than 2,000
federal personnel dedicated to this. By the way, W's in the chat for everybody
spamming DEI about the woman doing sign language translation. Good job, guys. Keep it up.
FEMA staff deployed over 1,200.
Corinne mentioned the major disaster declarations and the emergency declarations previously
issued.
I should note that in the six states most severely impacted, the emergency declarations were
issued before the storm hit and we had thousands of personnel dedicated there.
We have delivered more than 2.6 million ready to eat meals and more than 1 million liters
of water.
At its peak, there were 5.1 million customers without power.
We have reduced that amount and not just the government support of the state and local
authorities.
Jesus.
We're working very closely with the power companies and the other utilities.
We've reduced that number of customers without power by 3.8 million people.
And so the operation is very, very significantly underway.
We are working in support of our state and local partners.
This is an all of government, frankly, all of community.
We're giving MREs and cases of water at local high schools here as daily.
That's nuts, bro.
What the fuck?
for yesterday, they said about 600 were on time.
Do you have an update on them?
We do not have an update, but that work is still underway.
And I know, for example, within the Department of Homeland
Security, the Coast Guard has recently
rescued approximately 21 people through their patrols.
And there was discussion yesterday
on whether resources may have been better
prepositioned in other parts of the country.
And Marisa Gordon was high school food, anyways.
I don't know about that, but we had good food.
We had those chicken tenders and masturbators,
so she was good.
I would give her time.
Well, we actually prepositioned our personnel,
and the state and local personnel were
prepositioned in all six of the most heavily impacted states.
This is a historic hurricane.
It reached not only industrial areas,
but of course, as we also point-pointedly
see rural areas as well.
Yeah, that's great.
Liz, yesterday, focusing on the preposition
here before the storm, said that it was focused on the big bid region of Florida.
So what pre-positioning was taking place there that wasn't taking place in the
North Carolina, Western North Carolina area?
Remember that the pre-positioning of assets to include personnel as well as
equipment and the like also depends on the terrain and the access points.
And so we pre-position where we think the impacts are going to be greatest.
And we have seen the impacts hit mountainous regions
that are inaccessible.
We now have roads destroyed.
There is a significant amount of mud.
We understand that people are still situated in the mud.
And therefore, we cannot undertake debris removal
until we are assured that the search for the population
has been completed.
They implied that.
We have to be very careful about the lives
that still can be saved.
But what sorts of things were done in what's done
In case World War III happens, are you going to react to it?
I don't have the specific numbers of the personnel already
situated, but we can get you that data.
Thank you, Dr. Shearer.
Despite all the proactive things the federal government did
and its response, a sentiment, according to my colleagues
on the ground for people, is that the federal government
is not doing enough to help.
Where are they?
Where is the help?
what is your message to those people? I would say the following that we are
there and we will continue to be there. And we will reach the most difficult to
access locations. We are relentless in our efforts to ensure the safety and
security of all. And as Corinne pointed out, I feel like this is more stuff
about the hurricane. I'm gonna stick with this for like a minute or two
more of them than we must pay tribute to the heroic men
and not only of the federal emergency management
administration, but throughout the federal government
and throughout the state and local enterprise.
Thank you, Secretary, for talking about electric power.
I'm curious about the status of cell phone service
as the Associated Press is hearing reports
that people have any clock time using their cell phones,
being able to make calls, even reach you.
What are you doing, and what is the status of that right now?
So in fact, communication has been difficult in a number
of areas, if not impossible.
Israeli military announces the IDF will
carry out powerful airstrikes throughout the Middle East
tonight.
We are working with the private communications companies,
as well as the FCC, to ensure that we can rebuild.
Oops, sorry.
Communication towers.
we have, for example, deployed to the Starlink satellite systems
to help with the reconstruction of that infrastructure.
You mentioned that there are roads that have been destroyed.
There are places that are so hard hit
that it's hard to get to them right now.
The president mentioned land bridges yesterday
and working with the Defense Department.
Can you talk about what the effort is right now
to get to some of those hard hit areas
and what the timeline is looking like
to reach the people that are in need there right now?
And so who are you deciding to fight on?
There's not going to be a civil war.
People in the US aren't that divided.
But we have deployed air assets.
The Department of Defense has been
of extraordinary assistance.
I don't recall exactly the number of army corps
of engineer that have been deployed.
I think it's close to 6,000.
That's crazy.
So it's an all-government effort
to reach individuals not just by land but by air as well.
And how quickly are you getting to some of those areas
that have been cut off because of the world's
being cut off?
As quickly as we can.
Mr. Secretary, do you have a sense of how much money is going to cost A, to do this relief effort,
and B, to do the rebuild effort once we get there?
Probably like $50 at least, right?
In terms of companies, everyone will be covered by the government.
So this is a multi-billion dollar undertaking?
That's way more than $50 in terms of the search and rescue.
I should note that we already have approved approximately $1.7 million in individual assistance,
that individuals million, that individuals will be able to access, I believe it will
be as early as tomorrow.
The Trump stocking?
Give me a minute.
Into their accounts.
But the rebuilding is something that is not for today, but that is going to be extra
Is Trump actually, like speaking?
And it's going to be a multi-year enterprise.
Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
Two questions.
First, about the president's decision to go to Raleigh.
Can you give us a little bit of a breakdown as to why
he's going to that location and what he will see
and whether or not he'll be able to see any of the
harder-hitting areas in the Western part of the state?
So the decision of where to go and when to go.
I'm trying to find it must be calibrated according to the capabilities and needs on the ground.
And so the president and the vice president have been quite deliberate to take those sensitivities
into account to work with state and local.
It's on Twitch.
Ensure that their visit is constructive and not in any way interfering with the urgency
of search and rescue operations and the work underway on the ground.
And so they selected the timing and location of their visits accordingly.
And another question about the upcoming election, obviously,
is this old?
The state and balance are supposedly going out
in the coming days.
Do you have any questions?
How much impact?
Would anybody like to give up their position?
I've never had anyone say yes.
Someday we're going to meet somebody that says yes.
Hello, Wisconsin.
It's great to be back in this beautiful state.
Thousands of hard-working, great American patriots
we appreciate it too. State Department briefing. Where is it? Give me a link. If you give me
a link to it, I'll look at it. Maybe 50 or 60,000 people. And because we were not afforded
the luxury of having enough security because of not because of Secret Service, but because
of what they were bringing terrorists to justice, terrorists who have launched attacks
on Israeli civilians. If you look at what Iran did today, we really need to hear
the old on talk about how many people come to us thing again
are we really need to hear that again terrorist groups across the middle east
and
the attack today just straight
danger of those actions what you saw
okay on launching a state on state attack
to
content and defend
the terrorist groups that is built
nurtured and that controls
so there is a difference between a real part of the money and make it like
three or four of their leaders?
I never talked about it on stream, but like, yeah,
it was like three or four people.
We have certainly seen a run.
Like the new guys, like broadcasting from like a bunker.
It's against Hezbollah, but it's a very different type
of attack than what we saw today from a state actor
against another state.
Last morning, it's supposed to be a lot of on the road.
The situation there is unstable.
and you said, you know, you guys have been asking the Americans
who have made a lot of information about-
You know what the fuck this guy said?
He said, he made a lot of information about-
Have no idea.
I'm not on the phone.
Can you give us an update on the numbers and numbers
and what we're not replying to?
He calls the fucking mic, man.
What's with his glasses?
They're about to fall off his face.
You do ask the public anything about how
So you're right, as we often do in these situations, we have directed U.S. citizens who are in
Lebanon to register with the State Department for information, and especially for information
with the House of the Department of Lebanon, and we're providing them whatever information
we can.
We have had, as of today, around 6,000 American citizens in Lebanon who have been with
us for further information.
To be clear, not all of those American citizens are seeking assistance with departing.
People are just looking for information.
They're looking for options.
There are a number of American citizens who live in Lebanon who have lived there for years
and do not want to depart the country.
So in terms of the status on the ground, the airport is still open.
Commercial flights are operating, although they are available at times at reduced capacity.
We are working right now with airlines to provide additional flights with more
seats for American citizens. It's something that we hope to turn on in the next few days,
and we will be in touch with American citizens if and when we're able to expand that capability.
How do you ensure that we can see the future?
We're working with – I can't get ideas, but we're working with commercial carriers
to ensure that capability. And when we have further information and we've locked
this down, it's something we'll communicate directly with American citizens who have
asked for information, then I'll be happy to come and talk about it here at the
the secretary of the national security advisement just says that this attack by Iran is sort
of definitively escalatory in nature. I know that state, you've been telling us, the secretary
even told us that for months, you've been encouraging the Israelis not to respond to
attack and confrontation in such a way that escalates anything further. Is the secretary
It's crazy how they can't figure out this whole like situation.
Is it like this is like the government?
I'll say a couple things about that.
First, of course Israel has a right to defend itself, as any nation does.
In terms of what Israel's response will be, of course there must be consequences for Iran
for this attack.
We've made clear that there must be consequences.
I'm not going to get into what those consequences are today, but there are things on which
we will be coordinating with our Israeli counterparts. And I think in the immediate aftermath of this
attack we are going to coordinate with them on what any response might be. I think it's
important that we are able to defeat this attack through successful work with Israel.
It's good that more people didn't get killed. I'll say that for sure.
And we will work with them on what a response might look like, but I'm not at the position
just, you know, two and a half hours after this has been occurred to offer what
I look like today the Iranian foreign ministry people have said that you see the pagers
Like the Israel like made a fake company they sold a bunch of people pagers they blew them up, right?
Yeah, no no kind of warning from the government of Iran that they were gonna launch such an attack. Oh, wow
Given you're not gonna detail what the consequences are gonna look like yet
understandably by their own conversations with the Israelis about that. Can you give us a sense for how
U.S. officials are thinking about this right now in terms of the magnitude of a response? Will it be
more severe than the U.S. response to the Iranian attack on Israel in April? So I think it's totally
to get into the response. As I said we're just a couple hours after this event having occurred
It's important that all of us inside the United States be able to take stock of the attack.
He clearly said he wasn't going to do that.
What occurred, as I said, there are initial assessments, but we need time to collect all
of the information, and we need time to talk with our Israeli counterparts, and we need
time to talk to other partners in the region about the way forward, and we'll do that
over the coming days.
But it is clear that this is once again a significant escalation by Iran when you
see Iran launching attacks on another state, ultimately to come to the defense
of a terrorist organization.
It is an escalation. Israel has the right to defend itself, but we will coordinate with
them on what any response looks like.
How much more worried are you about a regional war today than you were in previous days
before the Zataka Cardiff?
I've done that question a number of times in the past year, and I didn't want to
try and calibrate our level of concern, only to say or other than to say that preventing
During the outbreak of a full-scale regional conflagration has been one of our priorities.
The Patriot operation was more than 10 years into making it.
That's crazy.
We immediately identified, was the risk after Hamas launched.
It's crazy that you were.
It's something that we have been working to prevent.
There have been a number of times in the past 12 months where it looked like we might
reach such a conflagration.
April 13th is one of them, quite obviously.
the United States through a combination of-
Just patience also walkies on peace.
Has been able to prevent such an outbreak of full-scale war.
And we will continue to try and prevent an outbreak of full-scale war in the days and weeks ahead.
Just a few more questions.
Is Iran's nuclear program a legitimate target for an Israeli response?
No, of course not.
I don't want to get into – and this is not to either-
Of course they're not going to blow up the nuclear facility.
I'm ruling anything in, but I would answer any questions.
Jesus, he's going to say that?
Imagine if he said, yeah, we're going to blow up their nuclear facility.
Imagine if he said that, as we made clear before this attack, there will be consequences
for it, but I think it's appropriate that we discuss these consequences with our Israeli
counterparts.
It's crazy.
Any other countries involved in defending Israel alongside the United States?
There were partners, as I said in my opening comments, who assisted in the defense of Israel.
I will let all of those partners speak to their own actions.
And last question, is the attack over as far as the U.S. assessment is?
Certainly this initial wave of an attack is over, which is not to say there are other
ways coming or that there are other ways coming.
We saw an initial attack earlier today against the State of Israel.
So we would be incredibly reckless and would continue to be escalatory where Iran to launch
further attacks on Israel and we'll be monitoring the powers ahead.
There have been a lot of parallels drawn between the Iran's attacks on Israel's police
on April and what happened today.
But the big difference is that back in the spring Iran did message for weeks the
kind of attack it was going to carry out against Israel as opposed to this time around
it seemed to be very sudden by comparison.
lack of warning public messaging. Do you read into that? Is there any diplomatics to
know about this?
So, I checked the sign language of this job.
A lot of the time it's been replaced by AI, or AI, or AI made the decisions it made, or
why it kind of telegraphed publicly last time and didn't do so this time. Obviously,
we had some indication that an attack might be in the works. So, I was talking about
that. We made clear. We gave warning stories really counterparts about it earlier today,
and I think they came and read out some of those conversations publicly.
The reason is because ASL has a facial component to it like I had to take two years of ASL in high school
And we learned a lot that
When you're trying to communicate in sign language your facial like motions and like expressions are
Correlated with the things that you're signing at the same time
But can you say anything about are the discussions happening now have Israeli officials laid out any potential options for
But that's why all the discussions are ongoing.
There were discussions that were happening between the United States and Israel as the
attacks were on building.
They were discussions that were happening from inside of the water.
You want me to take a sign with water?
Because that's why I have to sign a leave the classroom to get water.
To the Pentagon, but I would assume by officials at the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath
of the attacks, just in the last couple of hours, and those conversations continue
through the rest of the day.
I just go down like another class.
Thank you.
Matt, did the U.S. have any indication whether or not they were successful that
that the Iranians intended to strike U.S. interests or assets in the region?
I'm going to defer to the Pentagon to speak to specific operational details as to what
the Iranians might have been targeting. They're obviously in the best position to monitor
that and to speak to it.
Well, I feel writing DEI. I'm losing my mind today. I'll defer to that question.
Yeah, guys. I mean, she's not even black. What do you think of it?
I understand that the embassy had all of its employees go home and shelter in place.
Just want to confirm that.
That was out of an abundance of caution, knowing that an attack on Tel Aviv might be in
the works. And so we took that step out of Tel Aviv and –
I'm a Tel Aviv and potentially Jerusalem as well, so we took that step out of the bundles
of caution.
But in terms of what specific sites Iran was targeting, I will defer to my colleagues at
the Pentagon.
Okay.
In terms of the partners that you mentioned were engaged this time, without getting into
specifics as to who it was, were there fewer partners, was there less support for
their engagement this time?
They're not going to say that.
I think they're still specific.
They're not going to say it.
way, I'm just not going to get into it.
Why would they do this?
Why do they ask these obvious questions?
But do you think they're going to say?
It's not a specific, it's just, I mean...
It is a specific that I'm willing to share.
It is, right.
And just to clarify, I understand
consultations are ongoing with the Israelis.
What does the U.S.
believe is the right course of action now?
A response or diplomacy?
So again, I think it is important that
we have those conversations with Israel
before we read them out publicly.
Obviously, we do not want to see this conflict continue to escalate.
That said, we have been clear that there must be consequences for this attack.
And I think it's important that we discuss this issue privately with our partners before
we read them out publicly.
Okay.
And in previous instances, it had become known that part of the way, as you mentioned,
the U.S. deterred around from taking action was through diplomacy, including the pushing
of the potential of ceasefire talks, a potential breakthrough in Gaza that seems remote now.
What is the status of ceasefire talks, either in Gaza or in London?
I'm sure this made it better.
I've been pushing in the weeks prior to these developments.
It's a really good question.
And I will say –
Well, it's a truck rally.
– some of this detail here yesterday, where we are on the ceasefire talks in
Gaza is that the terrorist group that Iran funds, Hamas, has been unwilling to
come to the table to engage the past several weeks.
Yes, it's true. He's gonna talk about how nobody got attacked. I already know what it's gonna be like
For 18 months, no American was harmed in like this place
Years and years has refused to come to the table. So if Iran
Wants to use the breakdown of ceasefire talks as an excuse for
It's actions today. It needs to point to the terrorist group that it controls. It's all him. It sure it is
I'm just saying like I've already heard in recent weeks for the breakdown of those talks
Is it your understanding that that was one of the reasons that they decided to do it?
No, I was responding to the question.
Last one clarification, I mean, obviously these talks require time, resources, it engages
top U.S. officials.
Are they still a worthwhile investment of the U.S.'s time when it appears that other
parties are not –
Great question.
No, look, we are getting – so we are not going to give up on reaching a ceasefire
in Gaza because we believe it is the best way to free the hostages.
it is the best way to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinian people is the best way to
ensure long-term peace and stability for the entire region.
So no, of course we are going to continue to stay engaged on this.
But in any kind of ceasefire talks, when you're talking about two parties to a conflict,
you need both parties to engage, and right now we have a refusal to engage by one of
those parties.
Sorry, that's Gaza and Lebanon as well, or have you abandoned them?
In Lebanon, so look, we ultimately do want to see a ceasefire.
We ultimately want to see a diplomatic resolution.
But as I said yesterday, we do support Israel's right to defend itself against terrorist organizations.
Depending on the press conference, depending on what they're looking for.
And Israel's taking steps to defend itself against those attacks.
Thank you.
And you mentioned there was, before the attack, you weren't told by the Iranians that they were going to attack, but you had some indication.
What was the indication? Was that sort of...
age other than to say, you know, we mean what we say and we say what we mean.
And then what the follow-up question, if Iran claims to have used a new Qataf missile, which
is supposed to be a hypersonic ballistic missile, can you assess whether they did use
new and advanced weaponry in this attack and what they learned from the April attack?
Again, we're still assessing the attack and the outcomes, and so, you know, we may
have more to provide later, but I don't have anything on that right now.
Dan.
Thanks for your time.
two questions please. This guy is tripped out. Look at all that. Holy shit. Being supportive
of operations along the border. Is he open to Israel using operations on both sides of
the border? Along the border was a little vague there. Well, I think I'd go back to how
I responded to Joseph, right? We understand and support Israel's right to defend itself
against Hezbollah as we highlighted in the readout.
We understand that part of that is dismantling some of the attack infrastructure that Hezbollah
has built along the border.
Certainly again, we don't want to see this broadening a wider regional conflict, but we
understand again that what Israel is doing are limited operations to destroy that attack
infrastructure, and then enable citizens on both sides of the border to return home.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, we do think that a diplomatic resolution is the only way
to achieve lasting stability and security across the Israel-Lebanon border.
So we're going to continue to work to that end, but we also, again, understand Israel's
need to defend itself.
follow. Uh, the State Department read out a report on a attack on diplomatic
facility back that airport last night. Um, have you seen any other attacks on
US forces? I guess since Friday, this one would seem to be on a diplomatic
facility, but be it in the last day, particularly this heightened time of
tension or just broadly over the last couple days. Yeah, as of right now,
I'm not aware of any additional attacks.
Thanks, sir.
The iron dome, how effective is it
against ballistic missiles?
And some of the televised images appeared
to show some of them landing on infrastructure.
Yeah.
Being aware of that.
Thank you, bro.
Was this attack more effective
than the Iranian attack in April?
Again, understanding that a lot is still,
you know, very initial,
as i highlighted no answer indications are that there was minimal
damage on the ground
uh... you know in terms of the specifics that i'd have to refer you to israel
really to talk to you that again is more information comes in
uh... will certainly no more but uh... the initial
assessment is that israel was able to successfully not going to give answers
because it would give away the way the machine works
and so again we may have more later on that
I just want to be clear, because it seems like we're at a very dangerous time where any kind of ambiguity from the U.S. could lead to an attack on American troops.
And when you say, I understand when you say that we're going to defend any attack on American troops. I also understand that no American troops were hurt.
Therefore, are you saying the U.S. is not planning on a kinetic strike against Iran?
Because right now, when you say there will be consequences, all of that, you're leaving
it big and people don't understand.
And I want to understand.
Of course it's big because you don't want to say what the reason is.
Are we going to be joining Israel and hitting back against Iran in a kinetic manner?
Yeah.
So with all due respect, you're talking about a hypothetical future, right?
And presupposing what Israel may or may not do.
So I'm just not going to talk about-
you said there will be consequences and Jake Sullivan said there will be consequences.
So what is that?
Right, and I think broadly speaking, you know, the U.S. has been clear that there will be
security economic consequences should be rampant in the military.
But I just don't have anything to preview specifically as it relates to that.
Okay.
Yes, sir.
Thanks, Pat.
Just to clarify, did any U.S. aircraft track any of the missiles either before the launch
during the attack. Of course they did, right? Didn't they say that? So I won't go into specifics,
Chris, other than to say... Yeah, they said that. We have a wide variety of ISR capabilities throughout
the region to monitor and track potential aerial threats to include aircraft that do that.
So I'll just leave it there. Okay, Charlie. Thank you, General.
I mean, you said repeatedly that Iran doesn't telegraph these attacks yet from early this
morning we were told that an attack would be imminent, so we're getting some sort of
information from somewhere.
It's a prediction.
Based on whatever that was based on, where does Iran stand now?
This is just the first salvo?
This is actually a great question that he's not going to answer.
No shot is going to answer this.
I mean, that's really a question for Iran.
Yeah, exactly.
That was evidenced by this attack.
They certainly maintain the capability to conduct additional attacks, as I highlighted
at the top.
We're calling them to halt any further attacks.
This guy's a two-star general.
We're not going to speculate on this shit.
We'll continue to assess.
Obviously, we'll also continue to be prepared to respond in the defense of Israel should
they opt to do another one.
We certainly hope that they do not.
But we obviously have to be prepared.
Is it major general?
I thought it was two stars because you had two stars on the shoulder.
I think you said earlier, this is twice the size and scope from the attack of April 13th.
Yeah, it's about twice as large in terms of the number of ballistic missiles that they launched from the last.
Was their intent to actually do damage this time?
Well, you know, look, you don't launch that many missiles at a target without the intent of hitting something.
something. So absolutely, just like the last time, their intent is to cause destruction.
And so, fortunately, Israel has very significant air defense capabilities, and the U.S. of course
played a role in helping on that front as well. Thank you.
Matt. Thanks, Pat. You said there have been no new
attacks on U.S. forces in the region, but is the Department tracking a greater threat
Now to U.S. forces and are you taking any extra measures on top of the recent plus ups
you've done for force protection?
Well, Matt, I mean, as you know, we're always taking force protection very seriously.
We're all very well aware of the heightened tensions in the region and U.S. Central Command
has been for a long time now, you know, constantly assessing and reassessing the
threat to ensure that our forces are protected.
Like I mentioned, I'm not aware as I come to the podium.
I'm not aware of any additional attacks beyond the one that Dan mentioned, but it's something
that will obviously be keeping a close eye on to protect our forces.
Secondly, were there any other nations other than the United States and Israel who took
part in intercepting missiles or to track them or anything like that?
You're not going to share?
Yeah, I don't have anything to provide on that.
And obviously, I wouldn't speak for other countries from here.
Yeah.
I'd like to ask you if you guys talk to the European allies and if you ask for military
support in protecting Eastern Europe.
That's a good question.
I wonder if you'll say anything about those.
Israel, the proxies.
Yeah.
Or is at the moment in the U.S.
I'm actually curious.
Has been Israel as a military as well.
Well, I'll allow other countries to speak for themselves.
I will say, and we'll put a readout on this afternoon, that the U.S. were done
here.
The Secretary didn't have an opportunity to talk to his French counterpart.
earlier this morning just so I would drop the boys in the Middle East this was
before the Iranian attack occurred oh man you know we'll get that out
momentarily broadly speaking though again you know in terms of any European
coordination or cooperation with Israel I that's really for individual
countries to talk to I won't speak to them let me go to the phone real
quick before I get in trouble. Task and purpose Jeff Schogel. Thank you. I understand that
the destroyers fired about a dozen interceptors. Did they hit any of the missiles? If so, how
many? Yeah, thanks Jeff. So again, we're as you highlight, they fired the interceptors.
We're still assessing again outcomes of that. So I can't really. Why don't you
questions then. Okay, let me go to Heather from USNI.
Alright, thank you so much. So you mentioned that the United States has the ability and
intent to respond if any of its service members are attacked. Over on Friday you had three
US destroyers and LCS commander attack from the Houthis, which is an Iranian proxy group.
So would that give, you know, is there any, I guess, any intention to launch any attacks in response to those service members coming under attack?
Well, you know, first of all, the Houthis are from one piece, right?
You know, there were no US service members injured in any of those attacks.
And as always, we will respond appropriately at a time and place of our choosing, but I'm not going to telegraph or, you know, speculate on any punches at this time.
All right.
And Patrick Tucker, Defense One.
Hey, yeah, thanks for doing this.
So on the announcement of three additional aircraft squadrons at 15s, F-16s, A-10s, they
– I presume that they weren't involved in any of the interception activity.
Can you talk a little bit about why they're there and what role they might fill now
in terms of enhancing security for U.S. forces in the region?
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, as we've been highlighting for a while, we have a robust amount of capability in the
central command in U.S.-European command regions.
And what those capabilities provide us is versatility in terms of responding to a variety
of contingencies.
And so basically having the right tools in the toolkit to be able to respond appropriately
to any type of attack or contingency situation.
And so, as you well know,
PAT fighter aircraft can perform a variety of missions
to include taking down drones,
taking down missiles, particular kinds of missiles,
as well as providing ISR, electronic warfare,
types of capabilities.
So all of this comes together to provide us with options
on how best to respond to any type of attack
and to protect our forces.
Let me come back to the room here.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you, General.
First, on Iran, after today's attack,
I expected a response from Israel.
Is the assessment that the Pentagon
still that the situation in the Middle East is under control
and we're not in all out war yet?
Well, of course, we're not in the war.
I have a question on Lebanon.
Excuse me.
What's your understanding to what Israel
is calling limited ground operations or incursion?
Is it limited by, like, in time, in scope?
How do you see this?
Sure.
So in terms of your first question, as you know,
we've been working very hard from the beginning
to prevent a wider regional conflict.
Certainly, the type of aggressive action
that we saw by Iran today makes that more challenging. But that continues to remain our focus and
remain our goal is to prevent a wider regional conflict, and so we'll continue to stay laser
focused on that. In terms of Israel's operations, again, they're in the best position to answer
questions, but our understanding-
Yeah, they're not going to stay shit.
In consulting with them is that, again, these will be limited operations focused
on dismantling facilities that Hezbollah has built
along the border to stage attacks into Israel.
And so part of those discussions, again,
have been focused on making sure that there's
an understanding as far as potential mission creep.
And so as it relates to the broader tensions in the region,
but again, we support their right
to defend themselves from Hezbollah attacks, and so we'll continue to consult with them
on that.
As I mentioned, ultimately, we do believe that a diplomatic resolution is the only way to
achieve lasting stability and security there.
Tim, a few more.
That's probably true.
Yeah.
One is, why weren't land-based air defenses used?
And did you find that the United States had fewer partners in trying to knock down
these Hawaiian missiles this time that I did in April?
I would compare it to a pallet, Phil.
You're going to use the capability
that you need to respond to a particular situation.
So I mean, as evidenced by the fact
that our forces were able to so quickly support Israel's
defense, we have a wide range of capabilities
raid to be able to respond to whatever those threats may be in the most appropriate way
possible.
So it's less about the platform and it's more about the capability.
And so, again, we still maintain a robust capability to be able to respond to any potential
future threats as well.
And I just want to follow up on what Aline was asking, which was important in the sense
of, I think you said a red line that if Iran or its forces were to attack U.S.
troops, there would be a U.S. response against Iran.
At least that's what I'm saying.
Obviously right is that correct? What I said is it should be very clear that if I ran or its proxies use this as an opportunity
to attack US forces we will respond appropriately. Well yeah of course. Okay. Last question.
Nat. Thanks Pat. I just wanted to clarify a few things that you said. In terms of Iran's capabilities going forward
Is it clear from the U.S. side that this is the imminent risk is over of another attack from Iran?
Well, look, you know, it's something we're going to keep an eye on.
We certainly hope that there's not another attack, but obviously Iran maintains a capability
and it's just demonstrated that they're willing to use it to directly attack Israel.
And so we're going to continue to consult closely with Israel on next steps
and importantly on the defense of Israel.
And under the Israel's limited encouragement, have they provided any sort of a timeline on
how long they would stay there?
I'd refer you to Israel.
Forever?
Obviously.
I don't think it'd be appropriate to talk about that.
Hey, folks, while there's been an understandable focus today on the Middle East before we
conclude, I would like to provide a quick update on a topic closer to home as DOD continues
to work with federal, state, and local officials to support hurricane-pulling response
efforts.
As of this morning, the department has more than 6,500 service members actively engaged
in relief efforts across.
Yeah, I think that's just about it.
And so, like, is Trump talking about this at all?
And then he said, so you're wasting your time.
You're not going to win Wisconsin.
He said, I think I will.
I made a speech up there, but I said, no, you're not going to win Wisconsin.
But here's the deal.
Remember this?
He said, here's the deal.
If I think you're going to win, I'll call you back.
Otherwise, don't waste your time.
go to Pennsylvania, go to other places that you have to win,
which I appreciate.
I mean, that's better than like...
Okay, so yeah, anyway, let's see here.
Is that right?
Yeah, he's just talking, bro.
He's just talking, like,
there's not really a lot going on there.
He does that a lot, man.
He really likes to talk like that, he does.
And I was then talking about the news
that literally broke Unreal.
Yeah, I would expect him to talk about that, but who knows.
Let's see if there's anything else that happened
with this at all.
Fuck.
I guess that's the man.
That's the resolution.
And Iran has already declared a state of war against Israel.
Oh my God.
So I'm grifting what I'm talking about.
Bro, is this like one of these Trump people
things that like Biden looks old and silly you watch when it's Trump stop
gripping when I'm talking you know what you want to know why I watch whenever
Biden looks old and stupid and not whenever Trump does it's because when
Trump does it it's a rerun like I've already seen this happen like the
problem with Trump's message is the fact that it's too repetitive he just
This kind of goes and says the same stuff over and over and he'll talk about like some
conversation that he had with somebody like why would I talk about this?
I mean, I don't understand that.
Yeah, what is this?
What do you get?
What are you getting mad for?
Fair?
Well, Bonnie, Jesus, bro, like it's too much, man.
People get way too inner feelings about the fact that like I'm like I'm not taking
their political candidate as seriously as they think I should.
I've said this before, like, we get it, do you know like Trump?
It's not even that I don't like Trump.
Like, there are things that Trump says that I completely agree with.
A lot of things I completely agree with.
But there's other things I don't agree with and there's mistakes that he's made.
So it's not like it's completely like one way or another.
That's not how it works.
True, yeah, yeah.
I know this might be upsetting for some people,
but like, yeah, I don't think that in my opinion,
I don't think Trump's given me a huge reason to vote for him.
I don't really feel like I'm being represented that much.
That's just the way I feel.
Yeah, sorry.
If you're unhappy about that, that's fine,
but you know, like, I'll vote and I'll decide.
I'm not gonna vote for Kamala either, right?
It's like I'm saying I'm gonna go vote for her instead of Trump.
I wouldn't vote for either one of them.
Yeah, if that's upsetting for you, too bad.
Be upset, get in line.
There's plenty of people that are upset.
We'll see if there's any more information about this.
If Biden's gonna speak on this or anything like that.
Man, I brought myself in for most elections.
If you wanna add to my count, for sure.
Let me see here.
Um
For now Democrats keep getting us into conflicts and wars
I feel like this has been ongoing for a long time
Yeah, like I'm gonna be real like this this shit's been felt like they've been killing each other for a long long time
It's not like they just started like last year. No, this has been escalating and ongoing for years
Thousands of years. I mean Israel was made in like 1948. I'm pretty sure right and so
I mean not with Israel particularly for thousands of years, but like in that area. Yeah for sure
It's crazy. They're saying that like the nobody got killed by this
That's insane for me to hear that not a single person got killed
Except for one Palestinian. Yeah
Israel's been around for way longer than a hundred years. Yeah. Yeah for sure
I'm not gonna argue with you about that. Never once in bombshell Thursday. Yeah, maybe I
I mean I'm sure like if I live there I'd want a bomb shelter well actually if I if I had enough money to buy a bomb shelter
I'd fucking leave I can't imagine living here of your own volition
Like you're fucking you're sitting in a PvP server, and there's like just random bombings that could happen
Like yeah, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this
Someone's making a lot of money because of this. Yeah, I guess so
It's like six versus lasers
Iran's already lost. I don't know like a lot of people say Iran has nuclear weapons
So I wouldn't really say it's that it's that simple. Oh
This is this is Trump did make a statement about it. Look at the world today
Look at the missiles flying right now in the Middle East. Look at what's happening with Russia and Ukraine looking inflation
Destroying the world none of this happened while I was president
There is no American dream right now
But only if we make a clean break from the failures of the past four years the worst administration ever and elect a man named
Have you ever heard of him? Donald J. Trump on November 2nd?
Yep
Nope, there it is
There's no wars in Ukraine's under term. No, I mean like yeah, I mean he's right. There wasn't a lot of wars under him
I mean true to World War two didn't happen whenever he was president truly a great achievement. Yeah, I guess so
So Dom's also saying COVID wasn't as bad as it was gaslighting and all the scary stuff
for the week.
Well, I actually think that COVID to be honest, I actually think the media blew COVID at a
proportion as well because they could blame it on Trump.
I think so.
I feel like the media did a really good job and I think a lot of people did a really
good job like I think they were successful at this at blaming COVID on Trump.
For sure. COVID was big. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying COVID wasn't big. I'm saying like
our reaction to it and culturally, like the way that we handled it, I think it was exaggerated
because people could blame it on him. For sure. His response was bad. Maybe it was. I'm not
sure. No offense to be come across as more right leaning. It's not important to me
whether people think that I'm right or left leaning. That's up to them to decide.
If they hear something I say and they think that this is a right-wing talking point or
a left-wing talking point, just stick around that I'll make you mad, too.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
I don't really worry about it.
If you think that I'm a right-wing person or a left-wing person, I hate Trump because
I'm being paid by the Jews and the Jews want to get rid of white people or you
think that I hate black people and women, go ahead.
whatever you want, right? I mean, I'm not going to try to talk somebody off that cliff.
So people are going to think like that. They're going to get mad about that. That's up to them.
For the more right they think you are, right, Versa? Yeah, I don't know what to say. Just
fall facts and not emotions. I try to, right? I mean, I don't think anybody does it
all the time. But I certainly try to. Yeah, this is incredible, man.
innocent Israelis and to escalate this incredibly dangerous situation and
push the region ever closer to the brink. Now Kirstama made clear that this
situation there was so fragile and so uncertain that for British nationals they
must leave now. Please register your presence with the local government
officials with the embassy with diplomats that he said he had a chance of flight that
people can use and they're doing everything they can to get people out but the situation
is very volatile that's what he said. As you say Sarah Jade he ducked the question of whether
or not British military hardware was involved in the attempt to stop those rockets it
would appear successfully and from causing any damage in Israel. However, he also
ducked another interesting question. He was pressed by one of the journalists
present whether or not Israel effectively has the right now to hit back some
suggestions from the Americans that this cannot go unpunished but instead
Kirstam emphasized that he believed that Israel had the right to defend
itself but also that there must be a prior the de-escalation must be
prioritized so there wasn't the quite the same length. Yeah I don't know about
that I mean I think that he just didn't want to commit to saying that they were
gonna respond militarily for obvious reasons I mean it's kind of common
sense isn't it? Yeah where's part about this is soon there'll be tons of
refugees and that's the West will need to feed well in my opinion if they're
refugees that's not my fucking problem they can stay over there I don't
care about that at all you know I have kind of like a pretty harsh opinion on
that kind of stuff but like people that come from some country like they're
bombing each other that's not our problem at all I don't want to have
anything to do with it right so yeah like we have people here that can't
afford food we're gonna give our food to some random guy that came from
Palestine or Iran get the fuck out of here no like get go back to your place
fight for your fucking homeland don't don't bring us into it right we
We already are. Yeah. So why do up more? You get both sides of the bombs. That's not my problem.
At the end of the day, I don't care. Like, here's the thing is that when I make, whenever
I would make a vote for something, I would put American lives at a higher premium than
other people's lives. Very simple. It's actually that simple to me because these are
the people in my country. Why? Because they're part of my country and the other people
it's that simple yeah literally that's simple it there's no there's no fight it's
not a hard decision to make it's actually the easiest decision so yeah
people want to get mad about that or the refugee stuff I don't give a fuck
about them who cares let me sit here man these chatters are also chatters
from other places yeah yeah no doubt we just want to help all the allies like
France or of course we have to help our allies. I mean because if you don't help your allies
then the treaties that you have don't mean anything. Of course you have to do that,
but like taking in refugees from random places then that's totally different.
Yeah, you have to like, because that's what it, you know, you like, if you don't follow
through with that then like nobody can trust you. Sounds logic, you do realize there's
many Israeli Americans and vice versa then yeah then let them come back since they're American
citizens. Yeah, so that's such an easy decision. Yeah, literally, the easiest
decision I could possibly make. What if those refugees places are fucked because
American imperialism? I don't care. That sucks. That's still I don't care. Yeah,
I like I know there's gonna be some people that try to like, you know,
they'll do like this emotional kind of trap where it's like you're not
supposed to say this because it's saying you don't care about people you're not
gonna trap me with that because I don't care about those okay sorry to say yeah I
don't give a shit it doesn't matter to me suicidal empathy that's the way I see
it too but a lot of other people disagree with me they don't like the way I see
things this way yeah we've always taken refugees it's history of our entire
country and culture dumb take men okay well that I'm still gonna I'm I
I still think that I don't care like about what the history is or anything like that just common sense
We don't have money to give people for food here. So why would we give people?
Why would we bring in new people if we can't even take care of the people we have? I mean, it's actually just such a simple decision
Crazy, it's it's actually crazy to me that so many people have a problem with this
It's sad
Refugees don't hurt us at all
Okay. Then why would that matter? Yeah, why would that matter? Yeah, actually I'm saying
yeah they do. It's hard to say. I think it depends. If you feel this way, you should
vote for Trump. No, I don't think either candidate has the best interests of America in mind.
I think both Trump and Kamala Harris are more interested in maintaining Israel's,
know, like control and like existence in that place, they're more focused on that than they
are about America. I think that they care too much about that. They talk about it too much.
It puts me off a lot. It's such an original opinion. You're mad that I don't have like
some like crazy hot take that's totally different than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe the reason why so many people think this is because it's true. Has it ever
occur to you. Like maybe the reason why a lot of people have this viewpoint is because it's a common
sense conclusion based off of what's being seen. Imagine that we can't with too many liberals bro,
Trumps wouldn't have any let any of this happen. Trump wouldn't have let any of this happen.
I don't think that's really so. People said the same thing like with COVID for example, right?
They said like oh it's Trump's fault because of COVID, but like COVID fucked up the entire world
And Trump isn't controlling the whole world
So when people blame something like this on on like the current person in charge
Like you don't have like an alternate universe that you can go to and like really see if that's true or not
So yeah, it's the blame. So like I maybe you're right. Maybe you're not right
I have no idea and if you if you think that then vote based off of that. I I just don't know myself
But I certainly wouldn't uh
I wouldn't guarantee it. Oh, this is so this is what the guy says. I guess now that we've watched everything else
We should at least listen to like his statement. This is the um, this is the the main the main Israel guy
Yeah
He's the net and yahoo remember from Kanye West I
Speak a lot about the leaders of Iran
Yet at this pivotal moment, I want to address you the people of Iraq. I
I want to do so directly without filters without middlemen. This is from a few days a couple of days ago
You see a regime that subjugates you make fiery speeches about defending Lebanon defending Gaza
Yet every day that regime plunges our region deeper into darkness and deeper into war
Every day their puppets are eliminated as Muhammad death
as Nasrallah
There is nowhere in the movies aren't those the guys that he killed Jesus Christ
There's nowhere. We will not go to protect our people and protect our man
With every passing moment the regime is bringing you the noble Persian people
closer to the abyss
The vast majority of Iranians know their regime doesn't care a whit about them
If it did care, if it cared about you, it would stop wasting billions of dollars on feudal
wars across the Middle East.
It would start improving your lives.
Imagine if all the vast money the regime wasted on nuclear weapons and foreign wars
were invested in your children's education and improving your healthcare and building
your nation's infrastructure, water, sewage, all the other things that you need.
Is he advocating for us not to help Israel?
Because as an American, I could see that myself.
Imagine that.
Yeah.
But you know one simple thing.
It's a bit ironic, huh?
Iran's tyrants don't care about your future.
But you do.
When Iran is finally free, and that moment will come a lot
sooner than people think, everything will be different.
Our two ancient peoples, the Jewish people
and the Persian people will finally be at peace.
Our two countries, Israel and Iran will be at peace.
When that day comes, the terror network
that the regime built in five continents
will be bankrupt, dismantled.
Iran will thrive as never before.
Global investment, massive tourism,
brilliant technological innovation
based on the tremendous talents that exist inside Iran.
Doesn't that sound better than endless poverty,
repression and war, from Qom to Esfahan, from Shirans to Tibris, there are tens of millions
of good and decent people with thousands of years of history behind them and a brilliant
future ahead of them. Don't let a small group of fanatic theocrats crush your hopes and
your dreams. You deserve better. Your children deserve better. The entire world deserves
better. I know you don't support the rapists and murderers of Hamas and Hezbollah,
What your leaders do, you deserve more.
The people of Iran should know Israel stands with you.
May we together know a future of prosperity and peace.
That was a pretty good speech.
I would say I think you did a pretty good job on that.
That's yeah, it's actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Yeah.
It's a gaslight.
I mean, yeah, you could say it's a gaslight.
You could say he's lying.
You could say he caused it to happen.
But I think that like the messaging here is pretty good.
Yeah, I think that I think it was pretty good.
My speech itself is strong.
Yeah, sure.
Five head speech, start with massive threats and end with loves and kisses.
Of course.
That's always how things are.
Yeah, he's saying to stop wars without saying it.
Yeah, I guess so, right?
But, um, man, see if there's anything new here, the UN speech here, I'm not like
The thing is, if I'm saying that like I'm a, what are you calling it?
What is this?
Urges US strike on Iran's oil refineries?
Wait, what the fuck?
Oh boy.
Not the UN speech?
Yeah, I'm not really interested in that.
I mean, I was just listening to this strong speech about, uh, if he backs up with actions.
Yeah, everybody always, people always talk a good game, right?
So yeah, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.
The gas is too damn. Hi, bro. Yeah, I saw that um in the US here. I think it's actually got posted. Yeah
There's I love how and and this happens right where it's like
Indian gas station owner as if it's like oh, oh, it's an Indian
Uh-huh. Yeah, right
So that's why it's bad
Is charging $10 of gallon of gas?
Watch this
So there it is what a surprise they're raising the prices because of the fucking event yeah
I don't know
Yeah, he's not an Indian. I don't know if he is or not. I mean, does anybody even really give a shit, right?
You had to release a video for the citizens of Iran, but it's in English. I I don't know
I mean, that's a good point. He does bring a good point
Maybe another version of it for the Iranians like I have no idea
Yeah, literally legal, maybe it is if it's illegal, then I guess they can figure it out in court, right? I have no idea
If he was born in America, it might feel bad for his fellow countrymen.
That's not true.
The idea that people that are born here have some sort of innate, like they're going to
be the ones that are going to look out for us.
I don't think that's true at all.
I think that's very naive.
Doepe's clearly race-spading.
Why is your subreddit allowing it?
It's not really about allowing it.
I generally don't like banning people and getting rid of people for saying something.
I think it's better to just kind of call something out and like acknowledge what it is rather than like banning people
I mean obviously like there's certain things that go too far and like we probably ban them
But like usually I'll only ban somebody if I think that they're acting in bad faith like 99% you know
That's it. You do it all time. No, I do but it's things that annoy me personally, right?
If somebody's being like disingenuous or like doing something like that, I try not to
so yeah
And I feel like I don't ban people that often unless they're being really annoying, right?
I mean, like, do I really? I feel like, yeah, I'm not that bad with it.
Yeah, you haven't banned me multiple times. You've pulled me up, so you, uh, so agreed?
Yeah, I don't, like, most people, this is the thing, guys, is that people get banned for being hostile,
combative, aggressive, and rude. They're not getting banned for disagreeing.
That's not the way it works.
Survivorship bias? You're goddamn right. Yeah, anybody who says otherwise is getting bad.
There you go.
Also putting words in your mouth? Yeah, true.
Did you catch the video I posted about the dock worker strike? They estimated five billion dollars a day that we'll lose.
Yeah, I saw a little bit about that. Let me see if I can pull that up and find it.
Worker strike. Yeah, yeah, it's this guy's interview. Yeah, yeah, him.
Let me see if I can pull this up and I'll launch it. But yeah, no, I saw that I saw this a little bit ago
How cooked are we? I mean like I don't really okay, so I guess like since this kind of like there's not anything new happening with this
I'll talk about this in a minute. Um
So
I think that this war
I think there is a very very very an extremely low chance
that this war is going to result in an escalation that involves the United States, like military.
Like in a big way, right? I mean, maybe we might help them, like give them bombs or something
like that, but I don't think so. And the reason why, here's why I don't think so.
I think it's because, number one, they're bombing Israel and not America. And number
Number two, I think this conflict is more polarized than any of the previous conflicts we've had
wars with, right?
Like Vietnam, right?
At least people like there was a false flag, you know, the Gulf of Tonkin, right?
The World War II Pearl Harbor got attacked, you know, 9-11 happened and then we went
into the Middle East.
So unless something crazy happens to the United States, that like puts us at odds
with one of these sides. I think that there's a lot of people in the US that are like big
fans of Israel, and a lot of people in the US that are not big fans of Israel. And I think
that because of that, and because it's so divisive, I don't see any politician trying
to actually like put us on a side and like really put boots on the ground and like
involve ourselves militarily in a big way. I just don't see it happening because
I feel like there's a lot of people in the middle that don't really care that much and
they just don't want to be involved.
So unless we get attacked or Lindsey Graham, yeah, what do you say?
Unless we get attacked or something like that, I really wouldn't expect to see that happen.
That's my perspective.
But yeah, I've noticed this at least growing up.
I've never seen a conflict that's been more divided than this conflict.
Usually it's like there's a good guys and a bad guys and I feel like with this one. This has been the most
Gray conflict that I've ever seen at least in my life. What about you guys?
Yeah, but like all bad guys. Yeah, that's kind of like that's my perspective on it, too, right?
Yeah, I feel like yeah if you compare this to a lot of other ones in like also like I'm 34, right?
If you're like 70 or 80, you probably have a different perspective, but like as a guy that's around my age
That's my take on it. Yeah, bad versus bad. That's the way a lot of people see it
We good. Okay
This is someone said by definition no foreign policy is just because all about benefiting the state
I found it really profound
Yeah, I mean, I don't really care like
Again, my perspective with all this stuff is that the US should only do what's in the best interest of the US
I don't really care about the better interest of other countries
Well, it's like I don't care about it. I do care about it
But I don't care about it at the expense of our of our best interest if that makes sense
You know
That's at least like my perspective
Fill in some masturbates. I know I don't have I don't have a plant the world's not isolated anymore
Then why are we the only ones that are getting involved in all of these problems and and the other countries aren't doing it
to the extent that we are.
I feel like there's obvious common ground there,
things that we don't necessarily need to do.
But I think we're gonna have to wait and see what happens.
And it looks like there's not really gonna be
a whole lot more news for something like this
until later on or something else crazy happens.
Does it make money and prestige from it?
Yeah, maybe.
Let's see here.
I'll look at a few more of these posts too.
I've missed out a lot of this.
I've watched your autobiography about this.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I made a video I did I made a video yesterday
Talking about like kind of like why I live kind of like a degenerate like an animal right etc
People had pretty good response to the video. I think that a lot of people liked it. I was glad to see it and
Yeah, that was it. I figured I'd make the video like I had thought about making it for a while
And I was like, you know since I got home yesterday, and I had extra time
I said, okay
Well, I'm gonna think out like how I'm gonna say this and like just kind of like make the video and put it out there
But yeah that way people can get a better idea of like kind of you know where I'm coming from because it might seem confusing for some people
But yeah, I was flagged by YouTube. I have no idea
I mean, I saw that YouTube put like a suicide warning or something like that on it
Of course, they're gonna do that right because I talk about it in the video
So it makes sense people were mad about it, but it makes sense that they would do that
Of course YouTube would do that
Yeah, China's again just as involved. Yeah, I guess so
Maybe that's true me a big oil company watching people argue over a fictional character being lesbian while I'm destroying their planet for profit
Man that's pretty relevant today, isn't it? That's crazy
Konami actually listened to the players. They redesigned the character the boss before and after
unsubstantiated more opinions of ledge updates you're just lighting an angle
yeah am I crazy I feel like this character doesn't look that much
different than she did yeah it looks pretty much the same thing like if I
were going to imagine like if you were gonna up res a model like this it would
pretty much look the same as this yeah I mean it looks like pretty much like
this would be if you did a remake this would be like the character would
look like if it was a remake so yeah I don't know and yeah and so then there's
the the gas station I I don't know about this right it's kind of crazy to see it
happen ten dollars for a for a gallon of gasoline one more time how much a
gallon that's all I know yep
How much is it a gallon?
You see the gas gallon?
Gasgallaghing is punishable by law.
How far do we want to go?
Well, I guess we'll find out whether they're going to break the law or not.
Yeah.
How much a gallon?
Ten dollars.
Ten dollars a gallon.
Yeah, who knows what's going to happen.
Yeah, then soon, I guess so. We'll have to find out.
404 a modern audience not found
man
What a surprise the Nikkei booth had a lot of people so didn't need is is this the one where?
so Nikkei had this idea of what they were gonna do and other gotcha games have done this before too where
They pay girls to dress up as the characters from the games and then show up in like the gotcha 10-pole screens like this
it's actually a really good idea it's super smart and so yeah big fucking
surprise a lot of people want to see pretty girls and like bikinis and stuff
and they don't want to see you know some angry angsty woman who hates her culture
like wow what a big shock and the only two people there are probably the guys
that are set working there that's sad but it's also not surprising legends
say that they're still sitting there waiting for the modern audience to
show up. I wonder, like, what was their thinking of getting a booth at Tokyo Game Show in the
first place? I feel like that's such a bad decision. Why would you even do this? Yeah,
no fat chicks, please? Exactly. Yeah, it's, it's, there was no thinking. Yeah, you could
have easily predicted this wasn't going to go well. Yeah, it's nuts. It's not random
raps. That's the CEO of Red Thread Games. Oh, that's, that's the CEO there. Well,
That's a reality check I guess. Never thought I'd see the day that I get Asmon memes in my reels.
Me finding out the house I'm robbing is Asmongolt. Wait, what is this?
Guys, it's not that bad. Okay? Yeah, it's no, no, it's not this bad. This has 37,000 likes on
TikTok? This is insane! How does this happen? Like, I find this to be shocking, by the way,
that like it's so well known and it's like so established that people can just like, there's
a reference to a reference of something and it's super popular. Like, you think about that? Is
it Instagram? Oh, oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. It is, because I can tell like with this thing
here. Yeah, that is Instagram. What is this? Man, I can't wait for next-gen graphics. Man,
I can't wait for next-gen graphics. Can't wait for next-gen... Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah.
I guess they must be playing Fable. No surprise. Not surprised if this is true. Oh, this is good.
Yeah. Not surprised if this is true. The Ubisoft Insider reported a lot of other information,
too. Unbelievable, Ubisoft race swaps for Yasuke. Insiders have reported to Endymion that Assassin's
Creed Shadows originally had a feature complete Japanese male protagonist. He was race swaps
for Yasuke because Ubisoft felt like it would take advantage of the BLM and George Floyd movements.
So you know what I tell you guys when something feels or sounds too good to be true, it probably
is, this is a great example of that because it is so fucking poetic. Like, imagine how
great of a story it is that they made the Japanese protagonist black so they could capitalize
on George Floyd. Like, you really can't write fiction better than this. And, well, I guess
this proves it, doesn't it? This is totally unsubstantiated. Nobody confirmed this. Even the
Indemy on video about it. Like, I am amazed that this has any legs at all. And I think this makes
people that are against like censorship and like, you know, political agendas being put in games.
I think this makes like our side of people. I think this makes us look retarded.
It does. I think it makes us look absolutely fucking retarded that
Indemion makes a video about something that might have happened and then enough
people cross-reference it that it's acknowledged as a fact until eventually
somebody gives it a reality check and says no this isn't what happened.
What the- but what if it's true? There's no evidence proof or like
implication that it's true. It's totally fucking made up and it was
invented just for YouTube clicks. That's it. Let me see if I can even find it here. I think I, yeah,
there we go. Original Yasuke was a Japanese man, then 2020 George Floyd riots happened,
and you just have to decide to change the main character to a black man. A lot of insiders have
come forward. Like, it's made up. Yeah, I mean, again, it's so fucking poetic that I will not
believe this unless I see it for myself, especially nonsense even though it's
almost certainly false so you see in the old trailer for Assassin's Creed shadows
and it was still in codename red the character teaser wore an actual
Assassin's Creed suit I think I did but I'm pretty sure I thought that was the
female version of the character that but like I could be misremembering are
these insiders in the room with you right now yeah exactly everything I saw
from the game in early stages was him being black. Yeah, I just couldn't imagine this
happening, right? And so let's see here. I'll take a look at it. And this is the person
like this guy does a lot of insider news, etc. And this is his his take on it from what
he's found. Yasuke is not going to be removed. Big fucking surprise. The team has been
actively addressing many of the historical and cultural concerns would have been stated
after following the game reveal and external play tests further accelerated the game's initial reveal
and mass feedback, changing some of Yusuke's story and how he's portrayed in the game.
That actually is kind of a big deal. Yeah, that's very big deal. And Biden is mumbling,
wait a second, wait a second, we have to watch this. Oh, this is about, wait a minute. This is
is about. Yeah, this is about the hurricane. I mean, I, yeah, I feel like there's nothing
new about that at all. Yeah, I like, I mean, obviously they're trying to fix the problem
with the hurricane. No shit. Anyway, fixing architectural details and train the game
is historically grounded while fitting into Assassin's Creed universe. Such issues
should have been caught internally before the game's reveal, especially given Ubisoft's
strict asset approval process. These issues fell through the cracks because historical
experts were brought into the project much later than usual for a project of this magnitude,
and there were miscommunication between the teams and cutting corners when it came
to the approval process to meet deadlines were also in play. So he's saying basically
a lot of these mistakes happen because they tried to cut corners and were being lazy.
I could easily assume that to be true. Yeah, for sure. And then into mocap. So
is bullshit. I mean that's what I think too. They hired cultural consultants but got DEI scammers
and it's good. Well either way they need to get their money back. The game is currently not at a
stage that it needs to be for release and some tweaks to gameplay mechanics and elements are
going to need some take times are going to need and take some time to incorporate of course,
right? Anybody could have assumed that. While some of these issues were highlighted in recent
play tests and mock reviews, these are end of development issues that will take a little
longer. Seven developers working on the project said they have been pushing for this delay for
some time, and their situation had even been heard at other studios in the company. Wow.
Delay comes down to strict development timeline. They need to address issues and set a headline.
As for why Ubisoft headquarters continues to ignore developers on every level,
the executive committee of board directors will decide to review, although 80% of the
40 Ubisoft developers think this ends in no change or layoffs. I would not be surprised
about that. Also, there was another rumor going around that Assassin's Creed shadows only sold
7% of the copies that the last one sold. This seems to be not true. So this right here,
there's a rumor Assassin's Creed shadows had only had about 7% of pre-ordered numbers of Valhalla
during the same time period. Is there a citation for this? It's a rumor who spoke with multiple
Ubisoft insiders. The timing allegation I was told by sources was that compared to Assassin's
Creed Valhalla, that shadows has only about 7% the pre-ordered numbers of Valhalla
during the same time period. Yes, you heard that right, guys. Seven.
I'm not. Nope. Nope. Here's the reason why I don't believe it. It's because inside of the
the PlayStation Store, they have a ranking of which games are selling really well.
And when this game went on pre-order, the deluxe edition of the game was actually even more
popular than the base edition of the game. And both of those versions of the game
were in the top 10 top sellers in the US and also in Japan. Now, there's a chance this could be true,
but this is again the same video that puts forward a completely unsubstantiated
assertion that they replaced a Japanese person with the Yasuke because they wanted to capitalize
on BLM like I just it which was just totally like literal fucking fiction
right actual fiction and say it dude's full of it yeah I don't know it's not
saying the pre-order was bad it's just saying it was less than Valhalla 7% less
if you're if you if you are 93% below what your previous game is that's bad
Like it's not a question. It's not a possibility. It's really bad anybody could see that
Yeah, I'm sorry
That's real. Yeah, I know Sony is taking it faking it to make a little things more popular for sales now
Sony's in on faking it everybody. It's everything is fake so every like so how many layers of
conspiracy need to be acknowledged and need to be functioning in order for people to
to preserve the illusion that a unsubstantiated rumor is actually true.
This, listen, guys, this makes people, this makes people who think that like, you know,
you don't want to have politics in games, you don't want to have games be like a soapbox
for like some developers, fucking social issues, like the body type one and two thing.
This makes all of the people that think that look like absolute bumbling fucking
retards.
Okay.
Okay, this makes all of us look like retards by pushing something that has no bearing on reality
We all look stupid
Stop it
Fucking stop it. There's no justification for this the the external observable information seems to not be true
We look like morons doing this
So yes, who are the people that made the rumor a few people made the rumor
Second, everything that's discussed in a video and what you believe to be possible or not, I don't, I mean in my opinion, here's the problem is that in a video where some things are asserted without evidence and it seemed to be false, I would have no frame of reference to judge whether other things are also false.
So a logical person would assume that inside of a video that contains some lies
That the information that I can find and look at why insult hard, bro
Well, the reason why is because I think people need to be called out for this
You're spreading information and you're basically lying. You're lying and making up bullshit for no reason
That has no basis on reality. There's no proof of this. There's nothing. You're just saying it
Of course, you should call that out. I've done it myself. I've been called out for it and they've been right and I was wrong
Just talk about the fucking truth. Talk about what happened. Look at what makes sense
Why don't you speak with a neemey on source within Ubisoft?
They didn't reach out to me and
Also, here's another really important component to this. Let me see if I can find it
inside of this video that I watch, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is never a point
of
apparently being referred to as Red Dead Star Wars internally and more.
And there's other stuff that you just got, source told me, however, that they heard February
2025 is simply a placeholder release date as of now.
Apparently this is because Ubisoft is scrambled to actually be pushed back even further.
I was also told when they originally saw the game, there was indeed a male Japanese protagonist
with their own finalized art and even animations.
They don't know if this character will be reintroduced in order to replace Yasuke, but they are skeptical
that Ubisoft will actually remove Yasuke altogether due to the whole political, you know, backlash
they'll get from journalists, so on.
They did say that the game's first-
I just don't see any, I mean, this is something so if the logic is that so if I think about this
you would logically assume that the character that was Japanese was made before the 2020 BLM riots,
right? And that this was the plan and then the BLM riots changed the plan and then made people
want to add Yasuke because of George Floyd. Like that is the accusation. So that means
that four years ago you had a finalized character model and finalized animations. I don't know
a lot about game development, but one thing I do know is I've never heard that to be
true. That four years before release, all of the motion capturing and everything is
done for that character. I don't see it. I don't like be doing a concept bullshit. It was planned
since the beginning. Yeah, it's like getting retirement age at 20 and then you only started
working at age 24. Yeah. And again, if this turns out to be true, then that's fine. But
I think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And like for example, like if you
contrast this with like the legendary drops video where he was talking about Ubisoft, where like the
accusations were that you know the game was cutting corners and there were a lot of other problems with
like the studio and that the leadership team wasn't acknowledging the feedback they were getting
from the different people that were talking about the game. The difference is that all of
those things can be verified through outside sources and this confirms existing expectations
or opinions. This is totally out of the fucking blue. That's the difference.
Well, they have to take that decision as soon as fluid event happened and not one or two years
later because I think that about a year like the BLM riots were pretty much like on social
media pretty much universally supported for like a year and then after that they became a lot more
controversial. So it would make sense that they would probably make that decision within the first
year because then there was a bunch of information about like obviously BLM riots like actually
hurting people, crime happening, well the BLM protests turned into BLM riots and then also
the people that were like managing the organization apparently were scammers or something like
that too. So there are a lot of like bad things that happened and so it would, like logically,
I would assume that the decision was not made in the context of all that controversy.
Now, again, I've said this before and I'll reaffirm this is that I think that I have a huge
blind spot for reckless behavior. I usually assume that people act in their own best interest
and that people are making decisions with a relatively good amount of like information.
So there are cases where I'll be caught off guard because no, actually somebody issues the fucking
moron. It happens. And so maybe I am wrong. But what I'm saying is that based off of all the
evidence and everything that I've seen. No, not seeing it. Yeah, not seeing it guys. Sorry to
to say. Anyway, let me look at the rest of this stuff. But yeah, this 7% thing seems like
it's probably also not true. The Assassin's Creed shadows, like all of this information
here, I feel like is probably all of this stuff. And this is what I'm saying, right?
Is that all of this makes sense. And I feel like I'm the kind of person that,
If I believe something, it has to make sense to me.
And I think that most things that happen make sense.
All of these different topics and points make absolute sense.
Some of the issues were highlighted.
These are end of development issues that will take a little longer.
Sure, I could easily see that.
The game's not where it needs to be for release.
I could easily see that.
I watched it.
They did a preview of the game, and they should have been caught.
They fell through the cracks because they brought in people later on because they
were cutting corners.
I could easily believe that.
That seems obvious what's happening.
Changing Yasuke's story.
I think that also makes sense,
considering they made that post talking about
how they didn't know if he was a samurai anymore.
And so all of these things,
you see like kind of what the difference is in my mind
about how these different points are backed up
by existing things that are available to the public
and the other stuff is not.
So basically I try to draw a line.
That's what I tried to do the best.
Anymore? Yeah.
Are they removing the trap music? I have no idea.
I don't know.
But yeah, that's the new news with Assassin's Creed Shadows.
There it is.
None of this matters. The gameplay is shit.
Well, that's I and I think that's the problem.
Right? Because again, and also again, that that's a really good point.
So that many of the historical, let me see, I can find that.
um
Such issues where is it?
Yeah, it's to tweaks to gameplay mechanics and elements. You're gonna take time to incorporate. Yeah, and so that's another issue
That's a great point is that they said the gameplay was bad. Yeah, it was it was that was the problem
It's a forager two enough for ultra-sangster play games. I don't know it depends on the game man more than anything else
They picked the worst culture to be lazy with I
I guess. I mean, I don't know what to say, but yeah, I think doing this with anybody's culture would make the people there mad for sure
They can't fix this in three months. I think that you're right. I
Actually do I I I think that this three-month delay will do nothing
I think that the game will still be garbage because you know what you want to know what else what other game got a three-month delay
Let's think about some games that got three-month delays
World of Warcraft Shadowlands
Suicide Squad killed the Justice League, Cyberpunk, Diablo 4, Skull and Bones.
I feel like games that get delayed, like for like basically the longer the delay is,
the higher the probability that the delay will increase the quality of the product.
And I think a three month delay is like nothing inside of the scope of like an eight year project
or a seven year project or something like that.
I just can't imagine that.
Like you have seven years to work on this game and you think adding three more months
is going to change it?
I just, I'm not seeing it guys, I'm just not.
It's very little, yeah.
Just fix the bugs I guess.
Five months bro, is it five?
uh...
i don't think it's coming out in february and it was going to come out at the end
of maybe four months
it's three to four
it's not five though
yet from now yeah maybe right
but uh...
with your mother in a scene two weeks you'll see what happens
red-dev redemption that delayed three times the other party at the late for
a longer period of time in total which is what i'm really trying to get at
capitalism is bad
I don't like it.
Yeah, really easy for someone to say that grew up in a really nice house in one of the best
school districts in Texas.
I know, but it's-
Who has the rent paid for that is able to go to Europe and on a whim with their sister
who's able to do girl math, who's able to be fun employed.
Yeah, it's easy to say that the system's bad when you're doing that because you've
never had to work for it.
You never got to actually see what happens when you put in the work and get benefits
and actually have a little bit of responsibility
and actually build something or do anything.
You've grew up in privilege beyond privilege
beyond privilege beyond privilege.
It's only the people who speak like you
that grew up in a world where you never had to do
any single thing in your life.
So I wanna hear about that.
What a joke.
I'm sorry, I just wish everybody had like-
I wish a lot of things.
Wishing doesn't get people places.
Jesus.
You tried to create the best systems possible!
Oh my god.
This is a matter, oh my...
Jesus Christ.
Have I ever seen anything that I agree with more?
I don't know.
Oh my fucking god.
There is nothing more insufferable
than an upper middle class liberal white woman
who's lived a privileged life for her whole life
Decrying, of all things, capitalism.
This is like fish against water.
Get the fuck out of here.
How annoying.
I'm so glad this guy called it out.
These are the most obnoxious and annoying group of people
in, I think, like, an entire fucking internet.
Holy shit.
You ever see working class people talk like this?
Yeah, of course not.
Yes. Oh my god, this was good. Wow, this was good. It seems fake. I don't care. I still agree with it.
Yep, don't give a shit. That's a future Ubisoft developer. I guess so. The whole video is based
as fuck. I know, man. If you ever think your life sucks, just watch one of his financial
Well, I don't ever like I've seen I've seen his videos before and it's like somebody's like
Oh, yeah, so, uh, basically I'm broke and he's like, well, why are you broke?
Well, I don't know.
I guess it's capitalism or taxes or something.
It's like, all right, what are you spending your money on?
Well, I've got a loan out for a car at 37% and I make $20,000 a year, cars $80,000, and I live at my mom's house
and I buy drugs every day. It's just like, yeah, I'm subscribed to Seven Girls Only fans.
Well, I don't know what to do.
Yeah, it's, what is this?
Yeah, good decisions. Yeah. These people, like, I feel like this is, you know what this is like?
This is like mukbangs for people with money. It's like everybody, like, you know how, like,
fat girls watch mukbangs while they're eating food, being fat, and that way they feel better
because the person who's watching the video, who they're watching is eating more food than they
are so they don't feel like you know self-conscious or bad about it. I feel like this is that for money
where it's like you can watch this video and you can think to yourself man I've made mistakes
with money but holy shit I am not even remotely close to this bad. It's like people watch Jerry
Springer you know rednecks go and watch Jerry Springer they say wow this guy fucks his sister
I only fuck my cousin! What a freak!
That's what it is!
True? Yeah, I'm serious! Jersey Shore, yes!
Absolutely!
Man!
Did it financial audit with Amaranth? That one was wild? I guess so.
I, uh, yeah, I don't know.
What about life issues? What is this here?
And, uh, freak off a ditty song about that, right?
Really, I started watching Mothbang to discuss myself for food. It works. I lost 10 pounds at a 30 that I should have lost
Well worked one-third of the time then and so yeah
I know I feel like that's what it's very popular and Nakato Avocado actually got a lot of negativity
Because he lost weight and you remember what I said is that this would happen
Is that the hogs would turn on him because they thought that he was on their side
He thought that he was in their tribe and then he decided to lose weight
and now he becomes the enemy yep it's a hogpocalypse well to be fair they do
that to themselves it's called nature but yeah the tribe of one well no I'd say
they usually count for at least two or three each but yeah sure as life
expects to see if any tribe ever yet exactly hmm he's so fat though he did a
double fakeout great I hope that uh I hope it keeps going I love the uh I love
the cinema of it I think it's fucking hilarious give me a second somehow I
think this got changed I'm logged into my other account and I don't want you
guys to see any information give me a minute okay we're good never mind we're
fine anyway let me go look at the rest of these two there's been a bunch of
post that I've kind of missed out on but yeah this by the way is total bullshit
this generation is cooked I'm fat because every time I fuck your dad he
pours bacon grease down my throat okay so wow there's a fat retard on the subway
that is wearing a stupid shirt I can't believe it yeah what a shock man I
could have yeah I could believe that weird flex I don't think people like
that are flexing. Sorry Ubisoft but Valve did it first. I guess so. What's happening to get
arrested in Japan? Oh! What's this? They do this? Damn! Man, I had no idea. That guy
I fucked up.
Krolasky, how about protection? Me knowing the Emperor always protects. Good one.
Actually a funny joke.
It's nice to actually take a break and have a little fun.
Cable!
That's pretty good.
Alright.
It's nice to actually take a break and have a little fun.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Cable!
Yeah.
Okay.
What is this? Thanks to AI, I was able to restore this picture of my grandpa.
Oh my... Jesus.
Yeah. Sure.
If I, Jann and Sweet Baby made Elden Rings...
Fat Melania.
I am Melardia, Blade of McDonald's, and I've never seen my feet.
Oh my god.
That's a good one.
What is this?
I'm just here for the paycheck.
Yeah.
I'd like my money now.
Tell me a story.
Not for free.
You coming on the next one?
No.
For the right price.
What can I get you my money if you want anything else we can always one thing
my money there it is that's it should have asked for more money I'm gonna need
a race so I actually was gonna talk about this I forgot all about this so
this guy bro this shit has been crazy look at this so there's been a massive
there's a massive strike that's starting today with the dock workers based well
I'll play the video you guys can listen to it no no no not that doc this is a
new doc yeah come on guys it's not the same thing well now to that strike
threat that could impact busy ports up and down the east coast today New York's
Romney Smiths in Newark now one of the locations that could see picket lines
Come this time tomorrow, Romney.
That's right, the clock is ticking right now, darling, because that's right.
It could go into effect at midnight tonight.
An agreement isn't reached today.
But let me give you some numbers to chew on.
One, this union has about 85 years.
Did it start?
Because this was from a day ago.
Did it start or not?
I heard it did.
The values of members throughout the country.
If it would impact more than a dozen states, if the strike happens,
and if the strike happens, it will cost upwards of half a billion dollars.
million dollars a day. Now we know the impact is far reaching if this strike goes into effect
and it will hit major retailers like Home Depot, Ikea and Walmart. Items from electronics
to canned goods all on massive cargo ships that you know go in and out every single
day and there's already talk about the potential strikes impact to the winter holiday season
since every day of a strike would take between three to five days to get back to normal.
Now the International Longshoremen Association union members say they want more money for
the work that they provide and they also want job protection from automated technology.
This would be a six year contract that they're trying to negotiate right now.
President Biden could step in and stop the entire situation, but at this time he has
declined.
He's been asleep.
I'll shut them down throughout the world to prove that we can beat them, uh-huh.
Union reps say this is all happening because, quote, the United States Maritime Alliance
refuses to address a half century of wage subjugation or ocean carrier profit, but it's
for millions to mega billion dollars why ILA longshore wages remained flat.
And you can see what's happening with this.
This is actually, remember what I said before about how poor people and like working class
people will never rise up and actually affect any sort of real change.
So what I've seen a lot with this, because they're stupid, that's the reason that the
collective population is too stupid to not be manipulated.
That's just the truth.
They're just stupid.
And so what's happening now is you've got one group of people that are these guys
that I kind of support their cause. I do. Fighting its automation, I think, is a, you know, this is
a fool's errand. Like, it's not going to happen. But I fundamentally support where they're coming from.
But what happens is that you have the crab effect, where now you have a lot of people who
don't work inside of this industry who are saying, well, this happened to us and we weren't
complaining about it. And now you want to strike, fuck you for trying to fuck up the economy.
And so you see how people get turned on each other the elites will never allow this well
The elites don't have to worry about allowing it the working-class people won't allow it with each other
This is gonna speed up automation. Of course it will
Coming back out to you live
I can tell you there are no scheduled meetings today for any negotiations
But that doesn't necessarily mean the strike will happen because it's not possible both sides
They come to the table and reach some kind of agreement to move forward
We will be watching all day today to see if that happens
But if not darling, you know that clock is ticking and at 12 o 1 a.m
That strike is on we're live at Port Newark Robbie Smith today, New York
And so there it is and I'll watch the video of this guy talking about it too right because I didn't really get to it
But I'll tell you guys what's going to happen like this is what's going to be the end result of this
Let me see if I can find it and pull it up for you guys yet. Here we go
so this is
the end of the strike take a look at this yep six monitors seven consoles five
video games isn't that good I personally think that it is anything that
increases productivity is good it's actually safer to yeah I can only imagine
this is a dangerous job or at least it certainly could be what their demands
is no automation. It's not going to happen. 12 year old spotted, there it is. It stopped
simulator. Yeah, in five years they're just going to make these simulator games just like,
you know, it's like, oh, you played the simulator game, but you just don't realize it, but you're
actually, it's like the last Starfighter. And it's like, you're actually just doing the job,
and they sell you the game and they don't tell you that. So you've actually been working
for free for like four years and you have no idea. Yeah, it'd be perfect. They already
do. Yeah, I guess so. Holy fuck, I can't do this game. I never watched that, so I'm not
familiar with it. Let me see if I can find the video about this and get a better idea
of it. Is this the interview here? Fuck, let me see if I can find it. Interview.
It's this guy, but where the fuck did it go?
God damn it.
Let me see if I can find it here.
He's gone.
I don't know where the hell this is.
It's got to be somewhere on here, right?
I feel like since like all that World War 3 stuff happened, people are a little bit
more focused on that instead.
Doc, workers.
Okay.
I think I can probably find it based off of this.
Yeah, here we go.
This is the president of the dock workers from Maine to Texas.
Here we go.
These people today don't know what a Shrike is.
When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port, a lockdown.
You know what's going to happen?
I'll tell you.
First week, be all over the news every night, boom, boom.
week, guys who sell cars can't sell cars because the cars ain't coming in off the
ships. They get laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can't get the
goods from China. They can't sell clothes. They can't do this. Everything in
the United States comes on a ship. They go out of business. Construction workers
get laid off because the materials aren't coming in. The steel is not
coming in. The lumber's not coming in. They lose their job. Everybody's hating the long
short now because now they realize how important our jobs are. Now I have the president screaming
at me. I'm putting a Teff Hartley on you. Go ahead. Teff Hartley means I have to go
back to work for 90 days. That's a cool enough period. Do you think when I go back
for 90 days those men are going to go to work on that pier? It's going to cost
the money, the company's money to pay the salaries, well they go one from 30
moves an hour, maybe to eight. They're gonna be like this. Who's gonna win here
in the long run? You're better off sitting down and let's get a contract and
let's move on with this world. And in today's world, I'll cripple you. I
will cripple you and you have no idea what that means. Nobody does. So a
lot of people have taken this. This has been very, very, um, uh, what's the word for it?
It's been very controversial, I think. And so, uh, yeah, base, there's a lot of people
that are supporting it, proud to be a great burden on American citizens. It's excellent
tests for super capable Kamala. Not sure turning an entire country against you is
the right move. This is your typical union worker and why union should be dissolved.
He's an anti-American hack, no sympathy for my money. So this is the problem
is that I actually think people like him have a point.
I do, and you can see the point right here.
There's been a million graphs like this.
Everybody's probably seen them
between wages and productivity.
Where wages have not gone up, but productivity has.
Profits have gone up massively,
but productivity is also going up
but not the actual wages of the employees.
And so what's happening and you're seeing here,
and you've been seeing a dock workers that declined a cripple you sick exactly
people are very very angry about this the average dock workers threatening a
strike for higher wages
and better benefits makes a hundred and forty seven thousand dollars a year and
about thirty five thousand dollars a year
an employer paid health care
so what's happening is that you're seeing a lot of people who are mad
about this
they're angry because they see people who they believe are in a better
position than they are
that are unhappy about it.
45,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are now on strike.
For the first time since 1977,
they walked off the job once the clock struck midnight.
Workers are demanding higher wages and a total ban on automation
and the ports.
Experts warn the strike could disrupt supply chains
and raise prices for consumers.
The timing could also cause tremendous disruptions
to this year's holiday shopping season,
which usually gets into full swing next month.
Officials also say the walkout has the potential to become the most disruptive strike to the
US economy in decades. Just a week long strike could cost the US economy $3.8 billion.
So do you guys remember back in COVID where everybody was okay with people getting paid
unemployment and to stay home? But when Taco Bell wasn't open, everybody changed their
mind about that? Yeah, like when they showed up and Taco Bell was closed. Okay, you know what?
You're actually gonna have to go back to work, not the Taco Bell. Yeah, I met other people.
And so the moment that this affects everyday people is the moment that this is going to
completely turn people against them. I think that's what's going to happen.
These people today don't know what to try again.
This guy will easily turn people against them instantaneously as soon as people
feel like it's negatively affecting their daily lives. And I think that the media and
the people that are in charge are very good at painting that kind of a picture. So, so,
well, so here's what's going to happen. There are a lot of negative and bad things that
the government and companies can do to people like him. There's a huge amount of them.
And I'm not talking about bringing in the Pinkerton's and shooting them all, right?
There's tons of different rules that they can do.
They can put other types of regulations on them.
They can reduce their prices, et cetera.
There's tons of ways that you can control that.
And especially it's so much easier to do when you have the support of the public.
And I think the support of the public is very easy to win over because it's, the
easiest thing to do is, this is what I think that people, this is what I think
that happens in like, you know, the economy, right?
that there's 10 pieces, there's 10 cookies, okay? There's 10 cookies and the rich ruling
class takes nine cookies and then they take the last cookie, they break it in half and
they give it to two different groups of people and they tell one group that the other side
has their half. That's what I think happens. And that's what's happening here, is that
in a lot of cases what these guys are protesting are legitimate problems. And you see obviously
there's a lot of uh... you know in fighting in class warfare inside of the
working class
you have people that are making a hundred forty seven thousand dollars that are
complaining
will fuck them i'm making forty seven thousand dollars i'd love to have their
job
right and see you have like the
the envy and the jealousy
that is more important than what the actual problem is
and this is the reason why people will never stand up for themselves and
why
like any sort of like high level change will never happen.
And all of the different things that like people refer to in history,
like the French Revolution or something like that,
this was never about the poor people standing up to the rich people.
It was about one group of rich people standing up to another group of rich people.
That's never, ever, ever what's happened.
People are so stupid, they're so easily manipulated,
you can turn them against each other with no effort,
you can let them do it to themselves because they will never be able to overcome their envy and greed
in order to join together to actually affect any real change and I think this is the best example
of that and you're going to see it happen. Yep tunnel vision selfish wants that's right
and uh that's why I think things are never going to get better because people are stupid.
People acting like a doc worker's job is hard just fucking apply uh they just don't want to
to work a job that requires working out. I don't know if it's hard or not. I have no idea.
We're not weak. What we control as far as the economy is concerned, okay, is unbelievable.
Okay, we may be 60,000 members from Maine to Texas. That's a lot of people. What we control
in the economy is billions of billions of billions of dollars every year. You can't blame
the lower class, though, they don't have the funds to support others. They live week to week,
so they're in a bind. It's not about whether you can blame people for this or not. I'm just saying
that this social dynamic is, I think, the perfect use case for why I think that there is never
going to be a chance that people will have any sort of socialist revolution and there's never
going to be wealth equality or anything like that. I think this is the perfect example of
that and you're seeing it play out in real time. And every single day this happens, it's going to
keep getting worse and more people will begin resenting them more and more and more. And so somebody
says like, what is this here? Pull me up. Maybe you're right for American middle state but not
for EU. Here's the thing. I don't live in Europe. I can't argue what European values are.
If you live in Europe and you don't live in the US, it's gonna be hard for you to understand what American values are
I don't really care about what you think Europe is like versus America
I'm talking about what's happening here
Yeah, like I don't like I'm not going to argue with you about something that happened in Europe
Yeah, like this isn't happening in Europe. This isn't about Europe. What what why are you trying to argue about Europe for?
Let him prove you wrong. Yeah, I guess so
just annoying but there it is America to sucks well I think also I don't know
I'm sure this probably also happens in Europe to an extent but I don't think
it's probably as bad every day okay it's about French Revolution well that's
true though it's all like I'm wrong yeah and not to replace us with all the
He's rude, obnoxious, and he's assertive, and he's trying to push his point of view
and tell me that I'm wrong while he's not able to accurately even use the English language.
I find it to be annoying, and I don't want to have somebody do that to me.
They pull me up.
Let me prove you wrong.
No.
It's stupid.
It wasn't rude.
He's just being obnoxious.
It's an obnoxious way of communicating.
If somebody communicates with me in a way that I find obnoxious or annoying, I just
ban them.
That's it.
Like it's literally that simple.
Yeah, so I know some people might not like that,
but that's just the way it is.
Oh, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can.
And so anyway, what I think is gonna happen with this
is that to the extent that this,
this will be the last doc workers strike,
the longshoremen are demanding
that there's a ban against automation.
It's never gonna happen.
They'll give them a pay raise
and they'll all be jobless within a few years
and watch.
Well, again, China is already doing this.
This is common sense.
Any group of people that's fighting against automation
is basically just, I mean,
you're deciding when you're going to lose.
Yeah, it's not like you're going to overcome this
or be able to win.
Unions can't do shit if a company
doesn't have a job for them anymore.
Well, yeah, and also I think that like,
like if I was running one of the companies
that was doing this, you don't believe that they're
doing people on load ships remotely with 5G
than AI vehicles automatically drive the containers and trucks and load them without human assistance.
Yeah, this is what's really going to happen. This is, yeah, I mean, you really think like
here's the reality is that why would you want to pay a bunch of random guys a bunch of money
if you could just have robots do it for free or for like a fraction of the cost and you
don't have to negotiate with the robots. You don't have to fight with them like
it's common sense every single person would choose the robot. You know you don't have the robot,
the robot's never going to like, you know, I guess besides like Skynet, you know, Terminator or
something like that, the robot's never going to like rebel against you, they're never going to
sue you, they're not going to get injured on the job and then, you know, sue the company,
that's just how it works. Bro speaks to being taught the Bible and disregards his brother in
arms. So this is I do you think that's what I'm doing? Let me. Yeah, I'm actually kind
of curious like what do you what do you think that I'm doing? Robot AI is only used in high
tolerance industries. Most are cheap easy jobs anyway. I think that unskilled, unskilled
labor or basically grunt work labor where it's like picking up a big thing and then
and moving it to another place.
This is going to be,
these are gonna be the jobs
that are gonna get replaced first, right?
Yeah, of course.
You?
So what do you think I'm saying that's inaccurate?
What do you want to be happy about?
So I'll do the voice out, yeah.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Like I said, dock workers are brothers in arms.
I think in a lot of cases,
you definitely have a lot more in common
with a dock worker than the person
who owns the company that the dock worker is working for.
I think in a world different situation with AI,
I think what we can call unskilled labor
is something fundamental.
Maybe you won't be able to do the job,
but someone else will,
and they should be paid well for that.
Wait, what?
Like just a minute,
let me see if I can read this again.
I don't know what you're trying to say.
I think the world is in a difficult situation with AI.
I think what we call unskilled labor
is something fundamental.
No, unskilled labor is simple.
skill labor is something that doesn't take a lot of prior knowledge or education in order to do.
So, for example, it's the difference between picking up a box and moving around in an Amazon
warehouse and doing brain surgery. One of them is skilled labor, the other one is not.
There's no misunderstanding of this. Like, I don't even understand this. It's like what?
What are you talking about? If I get banned, I love you all. I'm not sure whether you're
you're going to be down.
Everybody brings value, though.
Every job is essential, and not everybody is skilled.
What will we do with these people if AI takes over?
How do they feed their family?
Well, we're going to have to turn them into food.
You'll probably turn them into food.
Maybe make them slaves.
We could bring back slavery.
That's a good option.
Then maybe you could give them universal basic income.
That would be good, right?
Probably won't happen, because, again, you can easily
turn people against each other. And so, yeah, there's a lot of ways you can handle it. But
no, you're definitely right. How about a real answer? That is a real answer. I'm giving you
a, no, I'm not, I'm not meaning around. I'm not joking around. Yeah, I think it's gonna
happen again. I think that we're going towards neo feudalism, unironically. I think it's
gonna happen. I don't think that we're gonna get universal basic income because
there's too much class in fighting and the people that the public at large is
too stupid to be able to unify. No, I really think that. Is it UBI Communism? Not entirely
no, I mean not 100%. At least I don't really see it that way. Now you know, can you get
banned bro? Yeah, I'll let this person do one more comment that I'll move on. Ban him
only six messages? I don't know about that. You know, we'll see what he says. Universal
Basic Income will not work until it's the same people asking for it, see Universal
basic outcome. I don't know. I mean, it really depends. Like, I feel like that's like a, you know,
it's like literally everything. We'll get a lesia movie minus space. Yeah, something like that.
I think that's what's going to happen. It'll be companies that are lords. I actually don't
think that's going to be true. I think that what's going to end up happening is that
companies will work that way. But you're already seeing this happen in a very, very soft way.
And what I mean by that is that think about how many jobs now and how many people have some sort of
Assistant right some sort of helper something like that
I feel like this this type of economy has grown massively
And I think it becomes especially more defined when you actually look at different facets of life and how we've outsourced
menial tasks to people that are unskilled laborers like for example
um door-dash. I think door-dash, food delivery, uber, things like that. These are
all jobs that people used to do and now you're paying somebody money just to
bring you your food. I think this is the softest form of like this feudalism that
I'm seeing coming back. That's what's happening right now. I don't really
believe in any ideology. I'm a person, so are all of you. You got auto-timed out
because your message was really long. Let me make sure I read this. I would
I'd like to know the trials and tribulations of this people's lives not just my own. I think that we're valuable as people. People, why would a person be valuable?
Yeah, you're untimed out. Why would a person have any value other than the value of their body or their organs? They don't.
They don't. Like, that's not how it works. Like, I get like what you're saying and it sounds good. It sounds good, but that's not what will happen.
Are you just trolling? I'm telling you guys, I'm telling you.
That's a morality question. We're valuable to ourselves. We all have a soul.
All right. All right. I, I, hey, hey,
don't say that I didn't warn you. Okay.
Don't say I didn't warn you. Clip it and we'll see what happens in a few
years. Yep. You'll see. People, people are very naive.
I know, man.
And yeah, if people are not valuable,
we're either get one for free.
I don't know about that.
But I don't think that existing gives you value fundamentally,
right?
To the extent that human rights protect you,
humans don't have rights.
This is invented by a government, and the government
can decide to take them away from you at any given time.
That's not real.
That we just invented.
We made this up.
Our rights are supposedly inalienable.
I don't know about that.
I feel like we alienate people from their rights all the time.
Happens constantly.
What is this?
Yes.
Why so based today?
I think that a lot of people get emotionally attached
to the issue of labor or working.
But I don't think it's necessarily something
that you can rely on.
And I think this is going to keep getting worse.
And you're going to see more and more people begin to,
you're gonna see more and more people begin to become uh... against these
guys
so hookers should be free is what you're saying
that's exactly what i'm saying
finally somebody gets it
breaking news overnight tens of thousands of dock workers walking off the
job just after midnight
the strike threatened the nation's supply chain and could lead to higher
prices and possible shortages
ports from main to texas
like the ones you're seeing live right now
are being impacted.
Uh oh.
A little bit surely starts us off at the vital port of New York and New Jersey.
Oh boy.
The boy here a little bit.
Hey good morning Michael.
Hundreds of union workers here tell us that they are demanding a fair contract.
And the union's president says that they will stay on strike until they get that.
Until then, busy shipping hubs like the port of New York and New Jersey here,
the busiest on the East Coast are at a virtual standstill.
Nothing's gonna move without us.
Was that the guy?
I think that's the guy.
More than a dozen ports from Maine to Texas are off the job and on the picket line.
We're here to support, for going forward to future, no automation.
We want to secure our jobs.
At midnight, the international law enforcement association announced its first strike in nearly 50 years.
Yeah.
After it failed to reach a new contract agreement with the U.S. Maritime Alliance.
During 11th hour negotiations, the union insisting on a 77% pay increase over six years and limits
on the use of automated machines.
The shipping industry group responding with the nearly 50% pay hike.
I want to tell you all what you're doing is right.
This is going down in history, what we're doing here.
Guys, name's Harold.
Bats from vital ports that has owed more than half of the cargo shipped to the
US from other countries are now at a standstill.
Fresh fruit, clothes, machinery and medicine won't be loaded on or off to...
Seven seven percent's too high?
Potentially costing the American economy up to seven and a half billion dollars in one
bank.
Analysts say for every day the strike lasts, it could take six days to clear the backlog.
Man.
A flow of supply chain bottlenecks during the pandemic.
Uh oh.
Retailers like executive Kevin Reece say a strike lasting more than a couple weeks
could force businesses like his to raise prices for customers.
If all the East Coast and that is that will be when people turn against them
That will be it
When an average person's daily life is affected
That's when they will turn against them
Coast ports are closed
Businesses will be bringing things in from the West Coast, which will cause congestion there
And you have to transport that all the way across the country. Oh and by the way, here's what's gonna be really funny
is that
After the companies after people because of the higher prices
Like you know in some sort of like disconnected way
Pressure the unions to stop the strike or they lose public support and then they go back to work
The funniest part about it is the prices aren't going to go back down
Yeah, hey
Isn't that what happened already with we already had this happen
Do you think people will turn against them or against the government?
People will turn against them.
They make too much money and people are too class conscious in our society in order for
them to see somebody who's making $150,000 a year and be able to identify with them wanting
a 77% price increase.
No, they'll side with the government over them.
That's what I think is going to happen.
That means is higher cost for consumers.
That's right.
The Union says it will still handle military cargo and cruise ships will run on schedule
during the strike.
The White House has just released a statement saying the President Biden and Vice President
Harris are closely monitoring any supply chain impacts.
They're monitoring it.
Thank you.
Thank you, Joe.
Thank you.
There we go.
Man.
Yeah, dude.
They want 140K.
Get your head out of your ass.
Yeah, do you make 140K?
Get your head out of your ass?
Exactly.
Exactly. How many of you guys see this happening, right? Because that's what I think is going to
happen. I believe so. I'm not 100%, but I'm thinking that's what's going to happen.
See if I can find the rest of this yesterday. I haven't seen this at all.
Yeah, I'll probably watch this at some point. Yeah, billionaires can go to other countries.
Oh, they will. Of course, they'll do that.
Chats are already freaking out after learning to make 150k. Perfect example on how the masses
will react. Yep, absolutely. It's very easy to get people to do stuff like that. And they should
pay them 350k each. I have a good feeling that there's a lot of people that are making $60,000 a
year that won't like the sound of that. Yeah, they're not going to like that one bit.
Let's see if I look at the rest. Oh, somebody found the picture. This is the one that I was
talking to you guys about the other day. I didn't know that it was discovered but
um man I'm not surprised. Oh my god. There it is. Yeah. Wow. Let me see if I find this
here. If you guys imagine if Ubisoft released a game like this where you
play as a masked man who steals, kills and enjoys gold and pretty women what is
this? I guess this is one of the old Assassin's Creed games. Yeah it's
black flag forced to follow orders oh send this to the dock workers
would you rather defy your masters and live by the creed of pirates damn are you
ready to fight for the freedom I think a like I mean obviously this is real
All men of fortune willing to pledge allegiance to no one
Calling all who are ready to defy
Assassins Creed floor black flag
So I think one of the big problems that a lot of games have now is that they try to appeal to every audience
And I think that manga does this in a good way where they write stories
And the stories are written with the implicit and or explicit excuse me
goal of appealing to a demographic. So like for example, Shonen's are for young
boys, right? Things like that. Games like Assassin's Creed are games that guys play.
These are guy games, and every normal person knows this. But the problem is
that nowadays these games have such large budgets that they effectively have to
mass sell to every single possible market in order to make their money
back so I think that because the budgets for these games get so big they end up
watering the game down and it ends up appealing to nobody and they lose all
their money what about women well I mean they like other kinds of games and I'm
sure there's some women like these games the same as there's some guys like
Animal Crossing or other games that are similar to that like the Sims sure
but like there's going to be a trend and I think that the focus that like
a lot of games have away from like kind of catering to like basically a
male power fantasy. Guess what guys want to live out a male power fantasy. So if you play it if you
put a game out like this or like Space Marine 2 for example you're gonna have a lot of guys
they're gonna play that and be excited about it because this is them being able to live out
their fantasy. But if you just make a generic you're an assassin and this is how it is and it
It doesn't have that with it.
You're not going to get guys that get excited about it.
It's stretched too much?
Yeah, exactly.
It's simply more male players than females?
Yeah, exactly.
And so if you want to make an audience of people,
you can't make a game appeal to everybody.
I don't think that's really how most things work.
Or say it's someone who's deciding
which way a game will go, doesn't understand gamers.
I think that it's very easy for you
to predict the kind of audience
that a certain game will have.
uh... i don't actually think that it's some sort of like voodoo ritual or
anything like that
if you see a game where it's about a guy that's muscular and badass and it's
about him killing people and then fucking bitches
this is something that's made for guys
this is a guy game this is a game
made by i don't know whether it's by guys i'm sure there's women that worked
on this game too
uh... but guys will want to play this game
now will that be girls interested sure right
This is not the main audience.
If targeting a demographic is any part of the conversation
of making a game, you have a problem with it then.
You're saying like targeting a demographic is a bad idea.
You always target a demographic.
That's always how things like that work.
What do you mean?
Yeah, I'm very confused by that.
Do you think it's an effect of COVID
hiring an instrument the game industry went through?
I think that it's honestly just like gaming industry
bloat more than anything. What is this Godot, Godot Bannafield form? Yeah, they
really fucked up with this. This is I'm actually shocked at how big of a fuckup
this is. The reason to unban you. So basically you have to prove your innocence
to them after their moderator had a mental health moment and decided to
block everybody on the company account. Crazy that that even happened. It's run
by children? Oh, it's run by people that are trying to make excuses for children. What
is this? Microsoft officially declared curvy women are illegal. I'm sure the company won't
be looking for horny male characters. Oh, this is very true. I find this to be extremely
annoying too. This is like when you have people that are, you know, like, I think
that there's a big, what's the word for it, like double standard between the way
that like male sexuality and female sexuality is seen. And I see all the time how women
feel like it's socially acceptable to sexualized men in ways that if a man did that to a woman
it wouldn't be acceptable. I find it to be very problematic and I think that there's
a lot of normal average everyday people that see that and it makes them uncomfortable because
it's unfair. That's it. It's pretty weird. Yeah, exactly. It's very weird. Yeah, Henry
Cavill. I think Henry Cavill is the best example about that. There we go. I poured
thousands of dollars and yet my game and my game and yet the sales are low. Why?
Ugliness and moralism and sex and violence. Wow. Who could have ever fucking guessed?
What a fucking shock.
You should watch Shuan heads new video about Hagmaxing. Oh about dating older women.
I feel like the whole idea about dating older women is a scyop made by older women.
So they can appear more appealing in the dating marketplace.
I don't think that most guys want to do that because of thousands of years of biology and I think that it's completely
facilitated and pushed out by women to as like a self-fulfilling prophecy that now maybe I can get hot young guys that are interested in me
I'm sure there's some people that that buy into it. Of course milfs are not nothing new
But I think that this is being like a cultural trend absolutely untrue. Totally not
It's not represented in any society in thousands of years. It's not real
That's that's what I think
You know you I'll watch that video. I saw it the other day, but if you want like my 32nd reaction, that's my 32nd reaction
Yeah, what about this body to okay guys?
this
That's
Okay, never mind
Yeah, okay. There's a lot of girls that are into that. I'm not kidding a lot of girls aren't there's pointing
girls into all kinds of weird shit. Yeah, it's nothing special. In my opinion older girls are
better and at minimum I only date girls three years older than me. That's great. I think that's
great and if you want to do that I'm happy for you. I'm not talking about you. Nobody's talking
about you. I'm talking about averages and normal behavior and how that's referenced in biology.
that that's great you don't do that thank God I think that again it's I view
anytime that I see somebody who will like basically somebody makes a general
statement that's known to be true and then somebody speaks out and they say
that's not true I don't do this if I see somebody do that I instantly assume
that they're a retard. I do. Like that in my opinion is like a retard indicator. Yeah shows
low IQ exactly. Yeah anybody who tries to personalize a general statement to make the general statement
seem untrue. Yeah depends on the age gap to be honest. Well good for you. Just make
sure that they're not under 18 okay. You want to date somebody over 18. I don't give
fuck it's not my problem it's not my life do whatever you want okay what is
this make a rule make a oh oh a rating 18 multiplayer PvP gotcha game where your
waifu gets NTR'd if you lose a battle players don't want their waifu to get
NTR so they only send male characters to battle a lot of male on male sex
turns into a gay hentai gotcha what's in ti aren't if she cheats on you basically so
like oh my god wow oh I I don't know what to say
Asmongold's video changed my life, what is this?
I'm a subscriber, you cannot tell me who posted this, but I'm just recording.
Yeah, I'm an Indian guy. I live next to India.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, so I just want to say this chat, talk about his life, you know?
Yeah.
And can you be quite asmongold?
Yeah, okay.
Very good.
I used to watch this and I am a person who lives in seminar circumstances in my country.
Yeah, this guy looks like he lives in a fucking shithole.
Absolutely.
I can easily tell that his beard's worse than my.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I can see he relates.
This is the average viewer.
100%.
Yep.
And I'm not talking this again, like that about how bad of a life I have and all that.
That's not the point.
When I watch his videos, I feel different than most of his restaurant audience would because of the way
situations are here and on that and it's just I
Used more charming by the way, and then I stopped watching because of some obvious reasons you guys might know
I have no idea. We're not gonna talk about that. Yeah. No, you're some real time
I was watching him and I was like, why is this dude famous like like Twitter posts, you know
Why does anybody watch that?
See, this is the fucking thing.
This is why I never fucking complain
about people getting mad about me on the internet,
is because everybody goes
and you have these autistic fucking socially retarded
losers on Twitter that are sitting around
talking shit about me
and they're saying, Han, the worst person ever.
And eventually you're gonna have somebody
who watches that video and they say I'm gonna look and see for myself
and they watch the videos and they realize wait a minute
actually he makes a lot of sense they look into it
yeah I'm totally fine with it
just react to shit and I watch it and I watch him turn a 10 minute video into
a long video okay and he talks about everything
and there is a suddenly this dude feels like his life is the chat that he's talking to
the the the comments that he's talking to that's just like I didn't even know this is the kind of
like he lives but I slowly found out about the Dead Rats and I watched some of the Speak and
Ex podcast videos after that yeah but I actually didn't know that that's what he is but yeah
I tried to
Bad publicity is good, it's a charity thing. I agree.
like where I'm saying over here we're gonna help you because bro bro really that sound in the
background is someone sweeping just in that why do you think I why do you think I need to be told
that huh he totally looks like he doesn't care about anything he doesn't want it like of course
if you say that seems or if you say you think he's gonna be like thank you and all that but it's
not like he's needing any help he says he doesn't have any regrets or he's doing better and
But I just wanted to say this and I think you guys are going to agree on this already too.
And he's the only streamer or only YouTuber that I could say.
Only content creator, I'm sorry.
That I feel like that's for the noise.
No door.
But he's the only content creator who I feel like is a friend.
It doesn't feel like a YouTuber or a streamer who is just famous and rich and talking to his fans.
I think it was like a friend and yeah that's what I found and I thought yeah this is the
subreddit might be the best place to give my thoughts about it.
Well I appreciate it what a nice guy yeah what a nice guy per social I mean a bit right
but I think that like people feeling that you're friendly etc.
Five-star design to make you feel like as well as a friend you should take it with
grain of salt. It's part of his public persona for entertainment and maintain
relatability with the audience. While he's the one that's most transparent,
don't fall into the trap. He's not your friend, you're his audience. He's incredibly
intelligent with his ability to entertain. Remember, you're part of the audience.
I think it's important to think about both of those things. Yes. Of course, people like me,
people like the videos. Of course that matters. But yeah, it's not that honest
I honestly remember Zachary Ryan's being high school friend. Yeah, I wonder why that's crazy, huh?
Damn, that's weird. Dresden is good for it. No, I mean, I just here's the way that I do it, right? Is I don't really
I think that a lot of streamers feel like they are like above viewers in a way, right?
I've never really felt that way. Like there's things that I think that I'm better than other people at
But that's not because they're viewers. It's because I think I'm really good at it
it. Like that's the reason. I think there's a massive ego issue with a lot of them. That's
absolutely fucking true. Asmon is my friend though, I guess so. Yeah, no, I mean, yeah,
you don't need to get parasocial guys, it's okay, but I do appreciate the video. Let me see. I think
I pretty much went through all the rest of these before. Yeah, I pretty much did. Give me a
second. Godot engine is being review bombed. Oh my god. Oh my fucking god. Oh my bro. The
Norwegian Consumer Council along with organizations from 17 other European countries call for
an EU ban on virtual currencies in video games. Games should show real currency instead.
No fucking way.
Get played?
Virtual currencies are widely used in the video games industry.
Oh my god!
These currencies are usually purchased inside a game and can only be spent in that game.
The games often have layers of currencies where you have to spend one currency to buy
another, and then another, and eventually you get the item you wanted to buy.
But at what cost?
By introducing virtual currencies, video game companies have designed monetary systems.
They just all sound like canoes.
Every single one of them does.
I don't know what it is.
Where they can set the terms and where they can change the values at any time.
This is deeply problematic because it deprives consumers of the rights they would otherwise
have if they were spending real world money.
Using premium virtual currency as an intermediary step between the consumer and the purchase.
This guy brings up an incredibly good point and it's crazy because I've actually never
thought about this until he said it.
That the rules for changing the pricing and the rules for doing things with virtual currency
are not the same as real money.
That's actually such an insanely good fucking point.
Only benefits the video game company.
For the consumer, it becomes impossible to keep track on how much money one is spending.
It's not impossible, but it's hard.
It's often impossible to receive a refund, and the video games are designed to push the
consumers into spending as much as possible.
While it is not in itself problematic that consumers spend money in video games, we
aim to address the particularly problematic aspects of premium virtual currencies and
argue that this is a practice that should be banned by law.
I agree.
I completely agree, but I don't think it's because so basically premium currencies are put into video games with the
The what purpose does a premium currency provide?
Ask yourself that question
What is the purpose of a premium currency?
Nothing, right? There's no like there's no value that a premium currency can add into the
share the video. I'll link you their website and you can take a look at it. Why are they problematic?
With the introduction of premium currencies, video game companies have essentially been able to design
in-game monetary systems where they set all the terms they can change the values at any time and
the customer has no property rights. This is deeply problematic is it deprives consumers of their
rights that would be in place if they were spending real world money. Apps of fucking
Lately holy shit. What a good point. I can't believe I haven't thought of this myself
Using premium currencies in an intermediate step between the consumer and any good purchase as they practice and only benefits of video game company
We're introducing various problems for the consumer
It can become difficult to keep track of how much money one is spending is often impossible to receive a refund and video games are often designed around
Consuming sorry designing around pushing consumers to spend as much as possible
While not inherently problematic the consumers spend money in video games this report
aims to address the particularly problematic aspects of premium virtual currencies and argues that this product, this practice, should cease to exist.
The crux of the report is that virtual in-game currencies purchased with real money are actively detrimental and harmful to consumers while providing no benefit.
if it fucking sang this for so long been saying this for fucking ever forever. I've been saying this shit
yes this applies to video game industry and other digital services such as social media platforms
and streaming services while the report focuses on the video game industry the practices and
recommendations described here are also here also applied to digital marketplaces in in general
So basically the reason why premium currencies exist.
So this is the way that a lot of these things work, right?
Is you have, oops, give me a second.
Let me go back, sorry about that.
I wanna go ahead and draw out
the way that premium currencies work.
And so you have,
there are four steps of the premium currency.
Step one, two, three, and four, right?
And so step one obviously is going to be your dollar bill.
And let's assume this is a euro, but you know,
it's money, okay guys, this is your money.
And then step five or four, excuse me,
is the golden sword that you want.
Oh, that's too hard to tell.
Okay, there we go.
And so here is the golden sword with the epic handle.
OK?
So this is the best item.
And so what these games do is they turn this into, let's say,
crystals.
OK?
Right?
It's a blue crystal.
And then the blue crystals get turned into
red rocks.
And then the red rocks are then used to buy the sword.
So the reason why this happens
is that it makes it harder.
And you guys, by the way, am I right about this?
Like I just wanna make sure we're all following.
Everybody's on the same page here.
Yes, right, this is always how it is.
So you're buying, yep, you use your money,
because you can easily make the transition here,
like let's say this is, you know,
now you're happy and you understand like, you know, okay,
this makes sense.
Now it's like, oh, I don't know.
And then here, it's the question mark.
So premium currencies and the different ways
that premium currencies are implemented into games,
The only purpose that premium currencies serve
is to obfuscate and confuse the buyer
with how much money they're spending.
Fundamentally, that is the purpose of a premium currency.
It is to confuse the person who's buying it
into thinking that they're spending less money
than they actually are.
So if you look at it from that perspective,
why is it that there is a system and a design in a game
whose purpose it is explicitly, and the only logical function that it serves, is to make
the consumer less aware of how much money they're spending.
I don't see that as a problem.
You don't see it as a problem that a system is designed with the explicit purpose of
obfuscating and making it hard for a person to spend how much, to understand how much
money they're spending.
It's designed in a way that's meant to deceive you.
So if you believe in accurate marketing and being able to know what you're buying and
being able to see what you're spending your money on, you should be able to immediately
see how much you're spending money.
And every step that's put in the middle of that is done so you can't understand that.
There are no benefits to the user whatsoever.
Dollars monochromes polychromes equals gotcha tapes for ZZZ. Yep
There we go
Can you show an example of a game that does it because I can't think of one that has two currencies like that?
Sure. Um, Lost Ark. Lost Ark does so basically these are blue crystals and this is gold and this buys items
Easy
Super easy
Almost every single gotcha game does this and the reason why they do it is because it works
You know think of one must be new to games. Well, they might not have played these games before I know this sucks
But can't you just do the math? I feel like this would just affect stupid people
So beings so okay
You bring up a very good point. This only affects stupid people
So there are two things that are true
Stupid people are stupid and
They should be thankful that they're not put in farms and harvested for their organs. I
I feel no sympathy when a stupid person is taken advantage of.
None. Zero sympathy for stupid people.
However, that does not mean that it's okay to take advantage of them.
You are still doing a bad action, even if the person that you're doing it to deserves it.
It is still a person that has bad intent that's doing something.
That's the reason why it matters.
Is fundamentally, it is a person with malicious intent who is using and weaponizing a system with the express reason to monopolize that intent.
The fuck's wrong with you?
Oh, you're mad because I talked about something in a way that you didn't like?
Okay, well get in line. Get in line.
Yeah. Okay. For sure.
Yeah. Whatever you think about me is true.
Why do you care? It's not affecting you?
I care because I don't think that it's healthy for video games.
I don't think that it's healthy for video games and I think that it's an exploit that takes advantage of people
and it creates an environment that makes gaming worse and it only serves to make a company more money
and it's fundamentally deceptive, which I believe to be an aggression on the user
I generally believe in non-aggression and so if somebody is being misled deceived or taken advantage of I
View that as a hostile interaction and because of that I don't support it
That's the reason why it clearly it is it's undeniable exactly and so yeah, I really hope to see this change
Yeah, it's that simple
Can it be seen as if I don't do this someone else will I do not hold it against the companies for doing this
They are doing what will make them the most money.
I completely understand why they're doing this, and I do not fault the companies for it at all.
I fault the government for not holding the companies accountable and letting them do it.
Here's the truth.
If there were no laws, the next time somebody loses in a gotcha game,
they'd go burn down the fucking building where all the people are working.
But we have laws that prevent that from happening.
So, if you... like, that's the reason.
That's the reason about that. Yeah, that's the way it goes.
Companies are mimaxing. Yeah, so I don't blame them. I don't hate the player. I hate the game.
Good. Now do the rest of the world. Here's the thing. If enough of the world begins to have
regulations like this, it will change the way gaming is designed. It's actually one of the
big concerns that people have with like the Middle East and China being involved in gaming now,
is that their culture will affect the way the games are published and the way the games
are made so it's actually very common and so of course that will happen like real
dollars instead of shiny diamond points oh this will hurt the business
absolutely it will yeah and that's the reason why they that why they don't want
it to happen but yeah I do really hope it does happen although I'm not really
sure if it will so yeah your it might not already be enough if they have no
access to the market that way well they'll just change it in Europe at
the beginning but yeah also um wogan paul and ksi have sent truckloads to prime
their truckloads of prime for people that got hurt by the hurricane
wogan ksi all the guys at prime I do not know how you got this up here so fast
but thank you guys I called yesterday and you guys have an entire truckload
of crime delivered into one of the hardest to reach areas in North
Carolina you fucking believe that up in up your drink is everything to these
guys are the working oh my god thank you for getting this up here to us wow all
the overstock probably you're right but it's really fucking funny that it
happened I'm sorry it is hilarious that this shit happened the country's a
shit when Logan Paul is the good guy I guess so right and let's see here
Oh, yeah. So one of the most prolific emulators, I'm pretty sure, and I think it's an emulator,
has been shut down. GDK Chen was contacted by Nintendo and offered an agreement to stop
working on the project, remove the organization and all related assets he's in control of.
While awaiting the confirmation on whether he will take the agreement, the organization
has been removed, so I'm safe to say what the outcome is. Apparently, Nintendo, the
lawyers walked up to the main developer's house in Brazil and offered him a deal to
delete it. Bro, they actually pulled up on him. Can you believe that? Oh my god. Not
the lawyers they sent agent 47. Nintendo Act is great. This is nuts man. Dude Nintendo is uh
they're really going all the way with this stuff recently, huh?
Yeah Nintendo, I don't know what this is. Why doesn't Nintendo think emulators are going to
be the actual death of them when it is in the case? What do you think? I think the reason
why Nintendo views emulators as being harmful is because Nintendo has a very antiquated and
old view of the way they print and also by the way a lot of people use
emulators to pirate games this is absolutely fucking true I know a lot of
people don't want to admit this because it's like oh this is like a moral high
ground thing but people absolutely 100% use emulators to pirate and play
video games that they would have otherwise had to pay money for absolutely
they do it and I'll tell you one thing if I was in Brazil and my fucking economy
sucked you guarantee I would be playing on a fucking emulator and I would not
be giving Nintendo my money so any and by the way guys you too am I the only
one I don't think I am I think most people would do that so yeah of course
we'd all do that so they serve as a threat in that way and I think they
also serve as a threat because Nintendo views intellectual property with a
very antiquated lens. So it's like a combination of a very real and reasonable
concern that Nintendo has and you add that in with like a very old-school way of
thinking and this is what you get. You can't even buy some older games now. I
agree with you. I agree that that's a problem. Absolutely. However, this is the
way the rules are. And that's it. He can't get in trouble for that in Brazil. Well, that's
why they paid him probably. Yeah, they just pay the guy off problem solved. And I remember
I said about how kids are getting dumber. At the elite colleges like Columbia, many
students are showing up unprepared to read full books. It's not that they don't want
to middle and high schools have stopped teaching them how to
read. Well, yep, that's right. Anytime that I talk, this is
going to sound really alright, alright, this is going to sound
so fucked up. I'm going to say it. Anytime that I get a chance
to talk to a kid, right? Like maybe like an eight year old
12 year old something like that. I will unironically quiz
them. I will be like, what's eight times eight? You know, what's the capital of, um, you know,
like, I don't know, uh, Texas, right? What is, um, what is gravity? And I'll ask them
these questions. We are cooked. We are absolutely fucking cooked. It's bad, guys. Recently,
I asked somebody this is not actually reason the eight times eight.
I asked someone who was, I think 12 or 13, what eight times eight was.
They told me 50 12, 13 years old.
Talking to a minor, yeah, of course.
Yeah.
See, this is the thing, right?
Is that normal people can have interactions with people that are
underage without molesting them.
This is the way that 99% of the population works.
It's not a problem. I don't feel weird saying this because it did this is that that's the way the world is. I
Know I know it sounds crazy guys
Yeah, imagine that
Just straight up. Yeah, weird very very weird comments from weird people
very weird anyway, um
So let's take a look at this
Puzzlement development puzzle dams until fall 2022 first year student came to his office hours to share
how challenging she found the early assignments. Often requires students to read a book, sometimes
a very long and dense one in just a week or two, but the students told her that at the
public high school she had never been required to read an entire book. Man. How is it that
an elite college admits students that are unprepared to read full books? The reason
reason why this happens is because that's the best we've got. That's the reason why.
Kids are getting really dumb. Wasn't there already a review? Well, let me see here.
We were forced to read 12 books for the summer each summer from first to fourth grade. What
the frick? Yeah, they told me I had to read five books during the summer. You know
what I did? I didn't read them. And you know what happened? Nothing. It's not
that I couldn't read them, it's now a rather play Super Mario World. So in a
world where I can play Halo 2 or I can read your shitty book, I'm level 43 in
Team Slayer. It's not even a question. Yeah, what's Roy lost there? Yeah, like what
is this? All part of the problem? No, it's very different. So the problem here
is that I could read a book if I wanted to. I just choose not to read
book. The problem is that now people can't. Name five games. I don't know. Name five
books. Nobody can anymore. I learned to progress and play Final Fantasy games.
It's all about parents failing to teach their kids. It's just sad, man. Harry Potter 1 through 5.
Yeah, I guess so. Densis, because kids aren't assigned entire books before college.
Doesn't mean there's a specific art of how to read entire books. How can you teach that?
you just require it and go from there. I think this is a huge issue. Kids are not getting
stupider. We are systematically failing them. Almost every professor I know who teaches literature
has noticed this trend. K through 12 is broken, but it's not just the public schools. Kids who
are struggling with full novels. In my experience, this is a cross-class problem.
It's getting really bad, guys. Schools have dumbed down things to pass them.
So the reason why it's happened, this is why it's happened,
it's because people don't need to think anymore
because machines do all the thinking for you.
So you don't have to learn math
because your calculator can do that for you.
You don't have to learn information
because your computer can look that up for you.
So the amount of information and knowledge
that a person actually has to have and work with
is so minimal now.
All you have to do is learn how to use a machine.
And so what happens with that
is that if you take that to a logical extreme,
a person develops no critical thinking skills
and then is unable to use the machine itself.
And I think that's what's happened.
What I'm saying is the kids are fucking dumb.
Idiocracy, the movie is definitely happening.
Yes, it is happening.
It's the phones, it's not the phones.
It, well, actually that's not true,
it is the phones to an extent,
but like it's getting real bad boys,
real bad. Plus a lot of opinions are suppressed and kids prefer not to think. Exactly. Yeah, why
think for yourself when that gets you into trouble? Why not just go ahead and repeat the thing that
everybody thinks and that's it. You don't have to go to the library to research anything. Google
is the new library. The problem is that going to the library isn't a bad thing. It's not a
a good thing either. So this is the difference, right? Is that you're modernizing a discovery
method. So the person is still doing the action of finding information. It's just they're
doing it through another means. The problem now is that the person never actually does
the discovery process of information. They never actually look anything up or educate
themselves and never learn anything, because they're just
looking for the direct answer. It's very different. So I was
going to watch this the other day. I'll finally watch it.
Any secondary policies? Do you think it's made on purpose
like a conspiracy? I think both. I unironically think that
there is a act of conspiracy to make kids financially
illiterate in order to create an underclass of people that
are suppressed by wage, by like, you know, like student loan debt, or some other form of debt.
So they're unable to accurately vote and understand problems. I think it's actually happening.
I legitimately think that deep state. I don't know. I'm just saying I think it's happening.
All right, let's watch this. Jack Doherty is one of the most hated YouTubers on the entire
platform and for good reason is unlikable, annoying, and has an extremely pungible face.
But you'd think that after receiving every warning imaginable and turning the entire
internet against him that Jack would reconsider the path of being a public nuisance for views and
clowns. This has been like a really popular thing and it's been going on for like probably three
years now where there's content creators that are going out of their way to be annoying
it obnoxious publicly for attention. This is super super common now.
Your house? Yeah. Okay. What do you want to do? We're not here to play games.
Flipper coin. What do you want to do? Have you sent a jail
to him? No. Hey. Unfortunately, it would only be a matter
of time before Jack Spauld antics caught up with him and threatened to end his entire career.
Hit with a bathroom salt lawsuit. I create weekly YouTube documentaries
at day which by the way, I am so glad to see people like this actually have real world
accountability. Because I think the biggest issue with this is that people commit crimes for clout,
and then people get mad at like YouTube or kick for not banning them. Like I don't care about that,
they should be prosecuted if they're committing crimes.
creator and streamer who made a name for himself by capitalizing on viral trends and light-hearted trolling content
There's a bit of respect that I gotta have for any kid that's out there grinding before they even hit puberty, you know
Like I got a respected
Down to be going trick-or-treating day after Halloween
Yeah, I got my GoPro on my head. Yeah, just how being an annoying retard. I get this
I was going to tell people I'm a doctor or something for Halloween.
However, as his online career progressed, Jack would escalate his content from a few
harmless pranks to extremely disorderly conduct.
This is the problem that a lot of prank content has is that prank content lends itself to
upping the ante.
It's like, okay, I did something harmful and funny, now let's kill somebody, right?
Not that extreme, but just like in general.
That's what happens.
Yeah, you're rampant, exactly.
Stunts like him harassing Ninja on stream, getting kicked out of public spaces, and shutting
off the power of Walmart, Jack wanted to cause as much mayhem as possible for the sake of
viewership and clout.
Guys, better shut up, collect them while I'm hard, I don't want to, I don't need to.
You did well, just go.
14, 16, 18.
Go ahead.
That means I'm 14, I don't need to do it.
You don't need to do it.
Eventually, Jack's thirst for attention pushed him to go beyond public misconduct, and
he began harassing random people on the street during live streams.
And the thing is that this is completely a fault of the police.
Like, Walmart should have immediately pressed charges on this person.
Like, I guarantee you that Walmart could find multiple reasons to crucify somebody
for going in there and shutting off their power.
fault of the parents? No. No, there's plenty of just stupid ass kids that have bad parents
or sorry that have good parents. Yeah, it's not the parents fault. I mean, like this person,
this like, he's old enough to know what he's doing is wrong. That's why he's acting
that that's why he's doing it. Why do you think he's doing it? He's doing it because
he knows it's a bad thing to do. Let's not act like this is a three year old here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What?
Well, what do you gotta do?
What do you gotta do, bro?
Jack's trains would only get more degenerate and outrageous, as you're freaking out.
Yeah, see, this should have never happened, because they should have got them with the
Walmart thing.
That should have absolutely been like a citation, or maybe even jail time for that.
He hosted or attended parties that featured controversial figures, like Neon, the Island
Boys, and Fuzi Tube.
We need that to make you feel big, y'all.
I'm going to stare here and not clap for them.
You all are all, beta as f***ers.
Sheriff, this guy f***ing beta as f***ing guy, damn it.
Beta's to H.
Yo, you're a f***ing...
You're a little f***ing...
Well, come to your scene outrage
with the cornerstones of Jack's...
Look, this is the one
that I'm actually not going to complain about
because this is kick content, right?
This is the trashy, you know,
Primary audience is 13 year old boys like everybody knows like the moment that you walk into this house
You know that you just put on your clown nose
Like persona it didn't always work in his favor on the 7th of January
2024
24-hour ban on kick after he asked a girl to expose herself on stream
Even though Jack was comfortable making a fool of himself for attention
he wouldn't allow anyone else that luxury by the 11th of January, 2024.
Jack would falsely copyright claim videos from YouTubers MemeList and I'm Alex.
Right.
In a tweet reading,
Hey, Team YouTube, Jack Doherty is abusing YouTube's copyright system
by claiming videos that are clearly not infringing on his rights to farm revenue.
With a British loser replying, he claimed mine as well.
Yeah.
Thankfully, Team YouTube would resolve the issue.
Up until this point, Jack had hardly faced any repercussions for his deplorable attitude.
However, all that was about to-
As I said bro like there is the one commandment of YouTube is that you do not abuse that system
That is the one commandment
He did get in trouble of the Walmart incident Walmart filed charges against him
His attorney worked out a plea bargain with Walmart since he was 16 at the time for 500 days of going to his local park with
unsalted peanuts and hard-boiled eggs to feed the crow
Change as Jack received the most shocking reality check of his entire career on the 21st of February
2024 a personal injury lawsuit would be filed against Jack
and his bodyguard, Justin Gosly.
The document would allege the following.
On October 28th, 2023,
Plaintiff was attending a Halloween party
at approximately 12.30 a.m. on the morning of October 29th, 2023.
Plaintiff was on the street outside the subject's premises
and was talking to Doherty and Gosly.
At one point in the conversation,
Gosly asked Doherty,
what are we doing?
And Doherty said,
we're gonna fight.
Us two versus you two.
All right, go.
And gestured that he and Gosly
were going to fight Plaintiff and Plaintiff's fight.
Wait, what?
Germans later, Gosli violently punched plaintiffs in the face, sending him falling to the ground
and causing serious physical injuries to his head, face, and neck.
For a bit of additional context, the incident reference was from this viral clip that Jack
posted on his Twitter.
Oh, I remember seeing this.
By the way, that dude absolutely should go to jail for punching him in the face.
It's not even a question.
You don't get to just punch somebody in the face.
Like yeah, it's like, what are we even talking about here?
Fucking security got a-
I was planning the events and stuff.
It doesn't matter about the size difference.
Like yes, obviously he was a bigger guy,
so it was easier for him to not get their dude out.
But if the other dude had punched him and knocked him out,
I'd say the same thing.
I'd say the size difference makes it worse, right?
Like it looks worse, but at the end of the day,
it doesn't matter.
You can't go around hitting people.
Like it's not even a question.
Could it have easily been a murder?
It could have, yes.
That's the thing is if you fall down like that
and you crack your skull, you're dead.
That's happened.
It's not a good joke, like that shit can happen.
And it's not because somebody's like some kind
of fucking Bruce Lee, you know, like one punch man.
It's just RNG, bro.
You fall down the wrong way, you hit your head,
you die. That's it.
By the lawsuit, the document highlighted how Jack continued to profit off the incident
and his involvement in similar confrontations, rating Doherty has and continues to generate
income due to the many views the video has received, all to plaintiff's detriment.
True. Doherty has a history of both before and after the subject incident of filming
himself harassing, assaulting and antagonizing members of the public.
He does. He does. Like, and he touches people very regularly.
a security guard step in to intimidate and assault them if they react to Doherty's harassment.
The following links show various other altercations caused by Doherty.
Yeah, right
This is a resort people are trying to chill in their legs. You know my dad owns this place, right?
No, if you stop looking you're the one that can't be first.
See he's touching people bro like you can't be touching people
It's crazy how like such a simple concept is lost with so many people
You can't be going around touching people like this
Wow, you didn't have to say anything I don't want to be filmed
Okay, well you can't stop looking your head down
Well, this was the first time Jack had faced this kind of legal trouble. The same couldn't be said. I think absolutely
It's not even a question that like if you did something like this
You should immediately like have to go to jail and also by the way keep in mind that the only reason that that guy isn't dead is
Because it's against the law. You really think touching and acting like that towards somebody wouldn't have them shoot you
No, if this was the Wild West to do to be fucking dead
So we have rules for this and if we don't have rules then they'd be fucking dead
Like, of course, it's actually, of course, yes.
Bodyguard, who had a quote, history of assault and battering.
Jesus.
Given the severity of the incident, the lawsuit would seek relief for damages and reimbursement for legal costs.
Wow.
Even though the case is still in court, the outcome of this lawsuit could encourage other victims of Jack's antics to come out with their own cases.
Remember, Jack had told the better part of last year terrorizing dozens of people for his streams.
Yeah.
And any of them could decide to take things to court.
Unfortunately, legal battles weren't the only thing Jack had to worry about.
Around this time, a creator named Lenny Miller published a video titled, I Fought Jack Doherty,
in which he confronted Jack over trash talking him online.
I told you guys this is content for 13 year olds because if I was 13, I would probably
be watching this absolutely. Spray and rot. Yeah. It's for it's for middle school kids.
Right. I mean that that's just that's the way it is.
As you'd imagine, Jack would only engage in the situation once he was a safe distance
away and showed it by people around him exactly bro like he a hundred percent
that's to be honest bro this guy would beat the fucking shit out of him it's not even a question
it and also keep in mind he didn't
like you want to talk about like an easy like bro you like it's
Yeah, this guy's like, yeah, he's not the, yeah, he didn't do it.
They're gonna watch you right now!
Oh, what the fuck?
But you won't box, that's what I'm saying!
Fuck the hell he did!
They think even them, it's crazy how these guys bro,
what are you thinking?
Touching somebody, grabbing somebody like that?
This guy's like twice your size!
It's broccoli hair gathering.
Seeing day, more and more people were turning against Jack, and that trend would only continue
as his inner circle of friends were about to expose his darkest secrets.
On the 30th of March 2024, two former friends and a former employee of Jack collaborated
on a video titled, Jack Doherty Must Be Stunned, which was meant to highlight several concerning
details about the Kickstarter.
Jesus.
But those of you guys that don't know, I'm Ricky, I'm Nick, and we actually met Jack Doherty back in 2017,
right when we started popping off on YouTube.
He started popping at the same time.
Yeah.
We became friends.
We actually filmed a decent amount of videos together, and we actually ended up moving in together in a house with all of us back in 2021.
This seems fine, yeah.
This is not huge, GGO.
He worked with Jack Doherty from 3 million subs all the way to 10 million subs.
In the video, the trio alleged that Jake utilizes substances
that surrounds himself with people who hate him
and places profit over human connection.
Jack's own brother says all the time
that the only thing he thinks about is money
and he says it literally to anybody
new that comes into the house.
I could believe that.
I feel like you told me that
and I'd say apps are fucking literally.
It's not even a question.
He will make it known at some point.
Everyone in the team will come to me on their own time
and talk about how they hated it.
Yeah, no shit.
They hate working with Jack.
They want to pick something else
but they have no other options.
In addition to this, they'll mention how Jack was promoting OF content to his young audience,
despite him claiming otherwise.
Well of course he's gonna do that.
I mean like again, duh.
I mean this is, yeah of course.
His primary main source of income is, and how he gets people there is by making these
hard to watch fake little skit videos for Instagram and TikTok.
Oh my god bro, like these people need to be stopped.
I don't know how we can figure out how to put them in jail, but we need to maybe invent like a new law or something, right?
I don't know, but there needs to be a new law or something in place that puts people in jail for making shitty only fans promo like
Y'all ain't seen the subway video yet
Have you guys seen this one? This is the new one that's going around recently on social media
Like damn bro, who got the video all of the time right and like she turned 18 and she did this
No, well, I guess I follow a lot of sluts because I get a lot of these like I get probably three of them a day
and I only click on two and
I do it and it's super fucking common and it's always these like meme accounts where it's like they post like a
Dominion meme they post a meme of like, you know, this is like a content for Roblox and then like the next post is like porn
So it's like, okay, you know, you have an audience of people average age is 14 and then you've got them looking at porn
Hmm. Oh
Geez post Goran fights follow now. Yeah, I guess so
And if you're above the age of 10, you know that they're clearly fake
Majority of his audience is younger kids. Just take a look at this video. These are fans coming up to him out in public
I love how like
Everybody always tries to act like this isn't the case
Yep
That's right absolutely
Six graders. I hey guys listen. I was there a lot of us were there
What are we gonna see we're gonna get around to make fun of an 11 year old?
Oh, yeah, we could do that, but we're not gonna do that
Listen, we we get into stupid shit, too. Like it's fine
Like he also has these girls in his videos that are all signed to his
Agency and he takes him a job. Yeah, this is one of the things that like
It's really really popular and you get a crazy amount of money with this is that a lot of guys
get these girls they they're like only fans managers now what there's another
word for an only fans manager um uh a what name slipback I'm trying to think
what was that that's right a pimp yeah there we go and so you have a you have
have teenage boys going out and pimping out these girls for only fans to pre-teenage boys.
No wonder they can't read anymore.
Oh man, they're cooked.
The other income pays them a small salary, a small fraction of what they bring in.
And Jack will say that these videos are geared towards older people to try and get
Yeah.
Old people with money to spend money on him and his girls.
What's even more concerning?
Well, they are geared towards older people,
but at the end of the day, you're making content for kids
and you're selling them porn.
That's what you're doing.
It's obvious everybody knows that's what's happening.
Now, in my opinion, this isn't even the worst part,
because you could say any content is made for kids,
and then you can just like moral authority
tell people not to make that type of content.
So the problem that I really have is the assault stuff, right?
I mean, this is just like, it's like just a bonus.
What details about Jack's personal life
as his former friends claimed to use to shoplift
when they lived together?
And to start it off, this is something that rubbed
all of us the wrong way when we all lived together
is we would go to the grocery store
and Jack would literally just shoplift.
He would just open a box of food,
eat it and then leave the open empty box.
OK, that's bothersome.
It's because that's like, that's like savage behavior.
Like I'm I'm thinking shoplift, like, OK,
let's sneak something in your pocket, right?
Let's like, this is the game that you're playing with,
like the security.
But you're just like going into the food aisle
and then eating just nasty and trashy.
It's not even it's not even clever.
It's just being a fucking pig.
It's disgusting.
Took a barbarian, yes!
This is like, if you bought it, most, think about it.
Most dogs that are brought into Walmart don't do that.
Dogs.
All on the shelf, all on the counter for some worker to clean up.
And we would sit down and try to have talks with him and be like,
yo, just pay for it, bro.
But whatever we talked to him, it couldn't get through to his head.
He would just be like, whatever, bro.
He also accused everyone of selling products at the self-checkout terminal.
He had like five things he was checking out.
Well, it would be a whole full grocery cart and he would only scan one of the items out
of the five and then he'd go to the next thing, one of them out of the five, the next
thing, one of them out of the five and just fool on scamming these companies.
Even though they were criticizing, I could easily see this happening.
A lot of people do this.
Jack for his wild lifestyle and degenerate antics, his former friends still wanted
help and see him improve. Yeah, stealing from the self-checkout line, it's like, okay, a lot of
people do this. But opening up a bag of Cheetos, eating like a handful of Cheetos and just throwing
the bag back on the shelf, that is barbarian, unwashed, fucking, like, savage behavior. You do
not do that. Steal the bag from the self-checkout line like a normal person.
soon.
To compare the two, but Jake Paul back in the day was going down a path that people
could see from the outside could lead to a bad outcome, and even Jake Paul recently was
on the podcast with George Janko, and he pretty much said the same thing that Ricky said about
Jack Doherty, that Jack Doherty, he's going down this path, but Jack Doherty's mindset
towards all of this, he hears it and he just hears it all as hate, not taking
it as love that people want to help him.
By the 10th of April 2024, Jack would upload a rather angry response to his former friends
and deflect the criticism.
in between all of this where you got to admit right because like I'm the kind of guy that
I try to take everything on the internet like it's entertainment and I see something like
this I think it's funny I do I think this kid's funny and it's not funny as in like
an I like him kind of way it's funny as in like there's characters on TV shows that
are really obnoxious and they make the TV show more interesting yeah it's funny bring
that Jack accused his haters of trying to be like him, but failing and claiming he never
Funny the king is tired. Yes. It's it's so good
Be he was like Cartman. I know
Do what you do and if they don't succeed they just hate the allegations made against Jack would only continue to increase as another one of
His former associates named Norway made against Jack. Oh my god. Look at all that
Would only continue to increase as another one of his former associates named Norway would accuse him of housing a mine on
Jack I'm gonna tell people she was 17
that the
social security also feels of the ass of the system is empty
house of the house and uh...
you said that they're never going back to the house
four days uh... later jack
uh... ace invited uh... this is always take all the stuff of the grain
assault you think that's true talk to the fucking police
yeah like this is this is a serious accusation
like uh... what you know what involved the police i don't like it
you know that and her friends all to the house
and uh... outside messengers of uh... so if you messaged me
uh... daddy please uh...
forgive me or daddy please come over or something
uh... body will come over to present the role and i i i i i i i i messaged you
i told you to kick them out
and then you didn't do shit about it because you live by
uh... but yeah in a sort of community jack would address the
situation. I can't believe he switched up on me that fast. You know what the best thing
about this is? How I just read it. At no point in time does he deny the fact that she was
17. It never says it. That's not even about it, bro.
Jin, with a tweet that read, can't believe no way switched up on me that fast. I never
even kicked him out. I genuinely cared about the kid and did everything for him and
still would. Hope one day realizes how good he had it. And he threw away his best friend for 15
seconds of fame. Underneath Drama Alert's coverage of the two- Nothing about the girl, at all.
Peter Jack would defend himself by stating that minor he said I had at my house was invited by
him. And right when I found out she got kicked out. GF do I get out of having minors at my house?
I never invite girls to my house. I have a GF. Think what you want, but I have too much to
to lose to do stupid stuff like that. No, I wasn't. I mean, to be fair, I mean, I'll tell
you, that's probably as but like, why are you eating bags of Cheetos at Walmart that
you hadn't paid for? Because like, that's really I'd say that's even dumber than the
girl. Like that's like you are like, that's that's bro, a dog doesn't do that. You
can have. I've seen dogs at Walmart that don't do that. GTA. Yeah, this is like grand death
auto. It's hearsay though. Yeah. And to be fair, I think it's a good argument that like,
yeah, I'm in this great position. Why the fuck would I bring a minor to my house? I honestly
think it's it's it's like an accusation that's that crazy, you know, extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence. And if this is true, then the police should be involved
and not Twitter. That's my opinion.
You want to accuse Jack of acting inappropriately with minors, as Neon also brought up similar
allegations months prior.
You're a fucking joke. Let me tell you exactly what Jack does. I don't care. You want to
say that? Now I'm going to violate you and expose your script. Here's what you do.
I'm going to tell you exactly what you do. You get 17.
Oh my god. I just... This kid is always so funny.
The night before their birthday, you buy a $10,000 yacht every time you get them drunk
and they sign a contract.
The night before their birthday, you buy a...
The night before their 18th birthday?
A $10,000 yacht every time you get them drunk and they sign a contract, 50% of their life
every single time.
Fuck you.
Strangest ill.
The pattern of former friends and colleagues accusing Jack of being...
So he's like spawn camping them?
Like that's crazy.
Why would you?
That's that's insane. You're getting a 10k yacht? Well, because he's renting it probably
He rents it for 10k. Yeah, sure
Like a 10k rental fee. Yeah, that that absolutely
Being too close with minors extends all the way back to December 2023 when natalie reynolds made similar claims
And a tweet that read oh by the way the grooming thing. This is the girl
world. This is the girl that convinced the crazy fat lady to jump into the water downtown
here in Austin who couldn't swim and then she ran away as the police were coming to
rescue the woman. It's crazy how like, um, yeah, internet content nowadays is so exciting.
It's really special, isn't it? Yeah, small world, I guess so. Ain't a joke, whoa.
This girl was 17 and Jack waited months for a birthday to get a drunk and sign a contract
on a yacht as well as Jack Delwity has paid to want to take her to get a drunk and sign
a contract on a yacht.
Just turned 18.
I started my only fans.
Let me know what kind of content you guys wanted to see.
This is like such a crazy accusation.
Like I almost don't even want to talk about it or like make any assertions on this
because like it's just like this is like actually like a jail time thing right I
mean this is like a jail like do not pass-go type situation like if this is
true like crazy crazy crazy bad yeah as well as Jack Doherty has paid someone
to take down and bend my Instagram account insecure and narcissists is
mighty can't make money off me anymore and I'm realizing the truth stick to
grooming minors. While none of these allegations have been proven or disproven, it's clear
that the people close to Jack Doherty are slowly turning against him and revealing who he truly
is when the cameras aren't rolling. Even State Farms, his insurance company, wants nothing
to do with him. According to a recent TMZ article, Jack attempted to use his renters
insurance to cover his ongoing lawsuit. However, State Farm claims he's gone outside
coverage and is appealing to the judge to exclude them from the case.
From the look of things, Jack is rapidly running out of allies.
An insurance company not wanting to have to pay out any money.
Yeah, I would have never expected this.
Which to be fair, in this case, they're right.
An early time will tell how many who'll have left by the time illegal battles are
over.
In his early days, Jack assumed harassing and taking advantage of people to promote
his content was a good long-term strategy, but sadly, he couldn't have been more
wrong.
friends and bodyguards he used to hide behind, dropping like flies, and no one in the community
is willing to stand by him.
Right now, Jack is at a crossroads in his career.
Either he owns up to his mistakes and cleans up the gigantic mess he made, or he remains
the way he is now and continues to blame everyone but himself.
With that being said, at least he's not losing as many subscribers, as his self-help YouTube
guru who is currently facing one of the largest downfalls in YouTube history, click
the video on the screen to find out why.
It's insane.
One thing I'll say.
Give me one second.
I'll talk about this for a minute.
I think that there is no way for this kid to repair his image.
There's no light at the end of this tunnel.
The only reason why he was popular is because he's making content for obnoxious teenage
kids and every year that you spend getting older is a year that 12 year olds have a
harder time relating to you.
So the reality is that as he gets older, his career will naturally decrease because this
type of content is appealing to really, really young kids.
So as soon as young kids aren't watching this anymore, then people are going to, yeah,
he'll age out.
And I think he already has.
And also, like, as he gets older, there's going to be more people that, and I think
also this is another problem, is that it's easy to do pranks and be goofy when you're
really small in terms of like popularity because people don't notice you or recognize you or have
anything to do with you. But the problem is that once you get bigger and you're doing this,
you have more to lose and companies and people will be more willing to go after you. And so the
type of content that's built around harassing people and being abusive, etc. This content
doesn't have a long lifespan. It can't exist in the long term. It can only exist in a very,
very short period of time, and then it effectively burns out. And I don't think that he can recover
his image because the problem is that there's no other personality. There's a lot of people,
I think, that can redeem their image and they can transition to doing another kind of content.
but the problem is that this guy has done absolutely nothing to show that he is anything more than
an obnoxious loser. That's it. That's been the only thing. Like, for example, Aidan Ross,
you might hate Aidan Ross, but I think he did a pretty damn good job at that interview with Trump.
And he's done a few other things that are not pure harassment that were successful.
This kid hasn't done any of that. He hasn't done a single one of those things.
he's just been obnoxious. So that's it. Logan was the dumbest person on the internet, but he changed.
The problem is that Logan Paul's content was obnoxious, but it was never built around harassing
people. Like, I mean, to be fair, I mean, maybe you could say harassing, you know, corpses used to
be people, but it was never really built around harassing people, like not to the same extent
that his content is. And I think that's really where the difference is. You see kind of what I'm
saying here? And also he apologized for that and he went too far. And so Japan might disagree on
that. He hasn't changed as a person so as an asshole. Why do you think he didn't box that guy?
Because the guy would have beat the shit out of him within three seconds. That's why.
Like he didn't box anybody. Like, by the way, if you look at this entire video,
there's never a single point where he's actually being violent towards anybody.
Like he might walk towards somebody or go like this, but he like at no point. Did he ever touch anybody?
Yep, does it? Yeah
You need people that defends things like this a benefit of their openness or ex-watchers. Well, I don't really know
Why do people think the Japanese Forest video is real? I'm not sure whether it was or not
That's not really the point that I'm making all I'm saying is that Logan Paul
Had a lot of other content and did a lot of other things that were not just uniquely
described as like harassing strangers in public or performing crimes in public for
attention. That is the problem. That's the reason why you have, why you have this
hostility. And that's why it's hard to recover from this. It's that if you do
this and that's the only reason why people watch you and then you stop
doing it, well then people are gonna stop watching you. It's pretty simple
actually
Seems like chatters aren't realizing Logan Paul video being fake would imply that he
Planted a fake body to ignite the viral video. I don't know whether it was fake or not
That's not the point of what I was making. I had nothing to do with the point that I was making and so all I was saying is that
If you build your content and you build everything on something that's unsustainable like being abusive or harassing people, etc
That becomes less possible over time.
So yeah. Also Twitch has finally, finally, finally, finally said that they are looking into the harassment that a lot of streamers have had to go through whenever they were on TwitchCon.
And this is something, holy fuck, there's a lot of ads on this.
Give me a minute. Let me open this up on another page.
This is crazy how bad this is.
Okay, alright, I think this should be better. Yeah, there we go.
TwitchCon San Diego was a hotbed for chaotic moments. Yep, exactly. People getting roof
feet, harassed. For instance, Twitch stars NMP LOL and Wakewouter found themselves getting
kissed and licked by a kick streamer during an impromptu meet and greet, something viewers
labeled as live streamed quote sexual assault.
Okay, I want to make one thing very clear, licking a person's nipple without their consent
is not labeled sexual assault, it is sexual assault.
There's no other way of looking at it.
In no instance and no universe would it not be sexual assault.
It's not even a question.
Yeah, like it's really it's not a question the same kick streamer meant
suggestive remarks towards XQC who literally ran away from them as to
continue to follow him off the venue. Another kick streamer pushed another
broadcaster into a moving train during an argument. Yet well another kick
creator got into a fist fight with E-Rod after publicly accusing him of
cheating on his long-term partner. Naturally, and let's take a look at
this, let broadcasters outrage demanding answers from Twitch, NMP claimed he
never received any communication from the platform, despite the alleged abuse.
We reached out to Twitch for a comment.
They told us they are working to prevent incidents like this from happening at future events.
This is what they said.
We want TwitchCon to be a safe and enjoyable experience for everyone.
That is always our goal and something we're committed to delivering to our community.
The company said in an exclusive statement, we're actively investigating concerns raised
by attendees, and we are doing everything that we can
to prevent these sorts of incidents in the future.
At every TwitchCon, we have a dedicated safety team
who's sanctioned on the stationed underground.
Well, what are they doing?
And we work closely with law enforcement throughout.
We'll continue to invest in security,
recognizing the safety of TwitchCon attendees
is and should be our highest priority.
We also reached out to Kick for his response,
and then Kick basically said,
That's it. You know, actions of few individuals don't reflect the blower platform.
Multiple counts have been suspended for violating our IRL streaming policies.
Yep, of course. So.
New Cuxar monsters. Well, I don't know about that.
Here's what I think.
I think that Twitch, this is what I think Twitch needs to do.
I think Twitch needs to get the names of these people
and send them a formal notification of protest or sorry,
of trespass, where, or like, file a restraining order against them or something like that,
to the extent that if you ever come onto the premises of another Twitch event, you will
be immediately prosecuted and in jail, basically, right? And charged. That's what Twitch needs
to do. Because the problem is that nobody, I don't care what Eddie says about this,
who gives a fuck, oh wow, Eddie's going to ban them?
Okay, then they'll stream it somewhere else.
People like this will always find the platform
to broadcast being degenerate.
But the problem is that people are committing crimes
and they're not being held accountable for the crimes.
That's the issue.
And I don't wanna see this be,
I don't wanna put the responsibility
of holding people accountable for crime
on the shoulders of an Australian billionaire
who runs a gambling website.
What a ridiculous thing to do.
What are we talking about?
What is this?
What's this culture of lawlessness?
Fucking hell, that's insane.
I know.
Well, it's that people get away with it.
Cotton candy bubble wrap world, I guess so.
And that's why you need to have people like this
held accountable.
Fowl charges and register as sex offender.
there's no repercussions people keep doing stuff like this well here's what's
pro erob is one of hunter down and so on and Darius Darius was completely out of
pocket and shifting the narrative like that to put the blame on kick is weird
I don't know about the erob thing I have no idea I don't care about that I
didn't see it I have no idea but I do know about the Nick thing here's the
truth if I was a female streamer and I saw a wake and Nick get sexually
Assaulted live on stream and twitch not make a statement and pursue the absolute peak of
The legal ability that they could and make a public statement about this. I would never go to another twitch event again
This is something that every single because like again
People go to twitchcon to meet twitch streamers
That's a big reason why people go there to see other streamers streamers go there to interact with other people
There is no reason why a streamer is going to want to go to TwitchCon
if they know that they can get sexually assaulted and somebody will face zero repercussions for it.
That's insane. Who the fuck would do that?
Male double standard?
Oh, and yes, this is true.
By the way, if this person did that to any- imagine if he did that to Pokimane
or he did that to any other female streamer.
He would be number one in jail right now, rightfully so.
And number two, Twitch would have made a public statement about this,
and Kick would have permanently banned him.
Absolutely.
Now, and I get men and women are different,
and so of course the culture is going to treat them differently.
That being said, the fact that Twitch hasn't done a single thing about this,
hasn't made a single statement about this,
has not pursued the absolute pinnacle of legal action.
In my opinion, this is a public execution moment.
Not in terms of literally killing the person, but in pursuing the highest possible punishment
that you can possibly go for, and making it as public as possible, that that's what you're
doing.
That's what Twitch needs to do, crucify them.
With no remorse, no guilt, nothing.
They can't, only Nick can.
You really think that Twitch can't file a lawsuit
for somebody who's committing a crime like this
on their premises, they absolutely can.
And especially if they do it again.
Twitch can, yes, they absolutely can.
NMP even mentioned the day after,
nobody even reached out to him.
He only got an email about his visit.
Nick was functioning as an employee.
Um, no twitch employee twitch streamers are independent contractors, but I do think that, you know
If I okay, here's the thing if I was twitch, I would look at I don't know what they can do
But I know for a fact they can send this guy a letter
And say like you can't come to our events anymore. Does twitch want to do that? Isn't twitch lazy? Where's the evidence?
There's literally a video of it happening
It's not even a question
So
It's not a crime unless someone reports it to deal with a complaint. That's actually not true
Something is still a crime even if it isn't reported because it's not a civil offense. It's a criminal offense
So some things might not be prosecuted, but that doesn't make them not crimes
So yeah, evidence. Yeah, there was live stream like the fuck up exactly if streamers are treated like they're in the workplace
premises while they're streaming they absolutely have every available workplace
violate of law on their site yeah I don't really know but what I do know is
that I think Twitch needs to absolutely crucify this person and I think that they
need to do it to set an example not only for other people that might do it
later on and be that same type of behavior but also for the other
streamers so streamers know that they can feel safe going to Twitch
events because I'll tell you this, after seeing what happened to people at this
twitchcon, there is no way I would ever go to another twitchcon. Straight up,
zero percent chance. Absolutely not. Why would I want to go to an event where I'm
going to get harassed? And this also is coming from somebody who, if somebody did
that to me? I'm gonna be totally honest, it wouldn't even really bother me. Like it's
like I'd be like uncomfortable or like traumatized by it, it would just be like you're annoying
get away from me. Like, bro, it's jokes? Well, I think it would be funny if they sent
him to jail. So how is it that his joke is okay, but my joke of sending him to jail
isn't? I would laugh my ass off if that happened. Yeah, I've got an even better
sounds good to me yeah I've got plenty of jokes it's about the principle well no
it's fine I mean again like people want to use that line I've got you know I can
play that game too and fuck you I knock you out if you do some weird shit like
that yeah I mean no that's definitely true I mean again if somebody did this
this, and somebody shot him for doing this, I think it's fine. That's, that's my actual
opinion. Like if you touch somebody and sexually assault them, and they kill you for it, good.
That's my perspective. Never let someone touch you, absolutely. That happen at some point?
Yep. Get him out of the gene pool. You're doing everybody a favor. Everybody ignoring
the fact that these things happened outside of the Twitch event.
Yeah, and some of them did happen outside of the Twitch event.
Some happened in the Twitch event.
And you're right that some people would not be able to be prosecuted by Twitch.
I'm talking about things that happen on their premises.
Yeah, it's that simple.
They know or come to the events, they get banned on Twitch, that's why they stayed
out harassing people, banning themselves nothing.
Since the people at the convention were there with old convention badges from
2022.
Well, if they're coming in there, here's the thing, right?
If they're coming in there with a badge that's an old badge, then you can easily go after
them for that instead.
Like, then, okay, that's fine, okay, I'm using an old badge, all right, you did that,
now go after them for that reason instead.
Yeah, it's not even close.
Were you aware that someone approached Annie and Canute's 12-year-old daughter?
No, I didn't hear anything about that.
I'm sure other bad stuff has happened before that.
But this is just the one that I saw that was live streamed that I was made aware of.
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, plenty of people do like really bad, weird stuff like that.
So it's like super common.
I could easily expect that to happen 100%.
That's trespassing and theft of services.
Yeah, exactly.
And so I think that again, you get what you allow.
And if you allow bad behavior like that, you will get bad behavior like that.
And that's why I think that you need to hold people like that accountable.
if you don't, then it's just going to keep getting worse. I think that's what happens
with everything. Are so unhinged that it scares me? Well, that's why the problem is that you're
saying that they're unhinged. These people, you need to understand, these people are
not unhinged. Everybody who you think is unhinged is always making an educated decision
and weighing the benefits of doing something like this versus what the punishment for
it will be. Why do you think that he went up there and he did that to Nick and not Canute?
No, there's a reason why. It's the same thing I said with Will Smith. Remember
whenever Will Smith went up and slapped Chris Rock? I have a really good feeling that if the
Rock was the one that told that joke, Will Smith would have stayed in his chair.
This whole idea that somebody is unhinged is not true.
These are people who are making educated decisions and they're trying to avoid getting hurt or
getting in trouble. He's a kid though. I'm just saying in general, right? That's right.
Yeah, well Smith wouldn't dare. Exactly. It's a calculated risk. And so all you have to do
has changed the numbers. Problem solved. There it is. And so, yeah, that always happens. The
whole idea that you can't stop people like this because they'll do it anyway and they'll take
the risk anyway, absolutely untrue. You can easily shut people down like this. It is so
fucking easy. Yeah, this has been, EA made a mockery of games. Oh boy. Oh boy, oh boy.
Andrew Wilson is about to step on stage. He's EA CEO and the company stock is near its all-time high
That's good news, but Andrew knows what's on the line
He knows that if their plan does not land the stock will fall
That's always what happens happens
He'll spend his already scheduled TV interviews having to play defense the day is September 17th
The event is EA Investor Day.
The thing is that he is so good at looking like the villain CEO of an evil video game company.
He it's just it's so good.
P24 and it's the first time they've held this event in eight years.
You and me, we think video games.
We think just make good games.
They will sell well.
Imagine your investors will be happy, but I think we both know that it's not really like that in reality
Generically, we can judge someone by how they treat service staff in a situation like this
We can judge an executive team by how they talk to investors because it's not about you are I if Dr
I'm gonna be honest
That was actually a really really great point
I'm not well. Let's listen to that again
We can judge someone by how they treat service staff in a situation like this
We can judge an executive team by how they talk to investors because that's the those are the people that matter
Those are the people that they're actually listening to one fucking hundred percent
It's not about you are I if Dragon Age is good that won't fundamentally change the business of EA
It won't trigger a stock rally a stock rally that will be great for the shareholders
Which of course does include the executives because they in large part are compensated with stock now that paints a dramatic and simplistic
View of things in reality. It's a bit more like this Andrew needs to convince Jim now
We don't know Jim, but let's just say that Jim is a pension manager
Jim doesn't exactly know what a video game is, but he does know the games industry is pretty important
Jim also knows that AI is big so when Jim thinks we go where he puts his pension fund as a fund manager
Well, Jim's going to want to hear what Andrew's got to say about AI and that is how today's story happens
And if you don't want to end up like one of the gyms of the world
Well, you have to keep in mind too the reason why a lot of these companies are using AI is because AI works
AI has worked incredibly well
Well, especially with that customer support and shit like this. Yeah. It's not like they're like I
understand like obviously he's going for the angle that like, you know, these are like buzzwords where
it's like, you know, blockchain was a buzzword in 2021. AI is the new buzzword. But the difference,
I think is AI is actually creating, you know, products. It's creating value, whereas
blockchain and NFT stuff never actually created value.
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on the games front before we jump into the delicious fun. There is going to be a third
Jedi game. Skate will hit Steam Early Access in 2025. They say that Apex Legends regained
player sentiment when they altered their rather reviled business model to make it a little bit nicer.
Yeah, they basically doubled the amount of battle passes you had to buy.
Because of that, well, they have said that they've missed their revenue targets
in the game because, you know, set of reduction in cash grabbing. As for Battlefield, well,
it's got four studios and a tech team working on it. There's a game with single player,
multiplayer and alleged BR features that has been tested internally for over a year with
public testing next year. And finally for the games, the Sims, there will be no Sims 5,
Sims 4 gets this is crazy. It's crazy how fucking bad this is. Like if you compare, like, how
do you how do you expect to exist in the market? What's that game? Korean Sims game?
What's it called again?
Look at this.
It's not even remotely close.
Like how can they have any...
Look at this.
It's not even...
Oh my God.
It's so much better.
They don't have a chance.
Content updates, a mobile and multiplayer experience, alongside a movie and a brand-wide
platform.
Threeling stuff, but, you know, not the point today.
Investors are the point.
Investors do want more games, more widgets, but they also know generative AI is important.
And, well, that's why everybody else is a bit angry at EA.
I hope you're ready to make it more epic.
And yes, make it more epic.
Of course.
Quote here, extracted by Jeff Kealy alongside a video showcase.
Make it more epic.
What do you call? Imagination to creation. Just pretty cringe.
We see in this a chatbot interface and a game engine. Pretty simple. You get it taxed,
tell it what to do, and it places-
Epic graphics, yes. Super epic guys.
You ask some characters for your game, a little pop-up of peers, you select your characters,
and our demo sees a grenade-based, multi-level box maze PPP experience. That's
lots of fun, but fun's not enough. We need spectacle, and that is when the words happen.
Make it more epic.
Have you seen this?
Yeah.
I really wish that I could be in that room just so I could see what the reactions of the
different investors would be.
Do you actually have these 65-year-old boomers that don't know how to use a smartphone?
And they're like, oh, I wonder, right?
But are they pa...
Yeah, is it...
Is there a gasp?
Okay, it's another one of these.
That's awesome.
Looks fake as hell.
Yeah, you heard it.
Make it more epic.
Yeah.
A pyramid appears on the horizon for some reason.
Pyramids are epic.
That makes sense of this.
Here's the plan.
Give this system a massive library of assets and codes.
Wrap it in a user-generated content product or can decide Fortnite or Roblox.
Players make things using no codes and there you go, infinite contents.
This is something that a lot of companies are trying to play catch up on with Roblox
because I think Roblox unintentionally or intentionally, but I think that they lucked into making the first Metaverse.
Roblox has had all these games come out of it that have been player created, and you can use characters in interacting in these other games.
Like, Roblox has actually done this, and I think that other companies like Epic sees this, like with Fortnite, because Fortnite's trying to do the same thing.
And then you see EA trying to do the same thing. Now they're following it.
Yep, I play Roblox. There you go. It's the sandbox game. It is. And I think that they
they just made the first metaverse. I feel like nobody's talking about that.
I look at this, you look at this and we think, oh, that's slop. We know that a good game
needs fine tuned balance. We know it's the design that makes something good, not just
what's generically learned from any data search.
But Bill at the investor call might not understand that true.
This is not Halo 4.
Last time I played a game was in an arcade, in 18, no, in 1813.
It is awful looking, it does not appear to be fun, but for investors, they don't understand
any of that.
The bull case, for them, is a true step change in efficiency.
You see, the company exists to generate shareholder value.
Remember the Embracer Group, I just love one of the quotes from Lars who's the CEO
of basically, you know, our overriding principle is shareholder value, and that is, of course,
said in the context of all the lovely things that Embracer Group did. But that's just
how these companies run. And when one looks to be fair, every company that is publicly
traded has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value. This is a literal
fact. Every company is like this. Just the way it is price of a company often
of profitability and a expectation of growth are priced into the current price. So if you want
your stock to go more than just sideways, you need a big exciting bull case. This is very true
and I think Bellier is bringing up a really good point with this. And this is what's happened a lot
is that companies are trying to capitalize. So what a lot of companies,
Okay, so let me take a step back. The way that a lot of investment works, there are a lot of
companies that take a literal fucking like buckshot approach to investing. And it's not
completely uninformed, but they are willing to take 100 shots, miss 99 of them, hit one,
go to the moon, make the money back from the 99, write the loss of the 99 off on their taxes,
and then they keep making more money.
That's the way it works.
And so what happens is that the way that you can attract
those types of investors is by promising something
that is not fully understandable.
Like the scope of AI isn't a square.
People don't know what the ceiling for it is right now.
And that's the reason why NFTs were so popular
or blockchain was so popular
or anything as popular
that you cannot accurately figure out
what the market cap for it is,
because people always assume that it's way higher.
So what happens is that if you're looking for something
that has a dedicated audience, it's a defined product
and this defined product has a product,
you know, like lifespan of two years
and you're gonna make 12% of your money back.
Companies don't give a fuck about that
as much as they give a fuck about that chance,
chance of making a 1000% return. And that's the issue. It's that all these companies are
playing for that revenue and also investors make decisions based off of that. And even
individuals make decisions based off of that because they want that big 2000X. Everybody
wants to be the one who invests into the next Nvidia, right? Nvidia now Google from
before Amazon, you know, like many companies are like this. It's very common needs something
to show people you need a little bit of FOMO saying this is our direction. It is big. Its
results will be big and it is not priced into the market yet. So if you're a rational investor,
you should put your money here with us because we are looking to the future and with a system
like this, they want to solve the problem because nobody knows how high a future goes.
But people do know what existing markets are and that's why it's all that's why metaverse is so big because metaverse is everything
How big is metaverse? It's as big as you want it to be how big is AI? It's as big as you want it to be
That's how you get money
The game is business and that's game developers
You see the thing is you can only make so many video games our
Our species only produces a small number of game developers, but every member of the species is a potential consumer
How do you get around this problem?
We all know the game projects don't always work out sometimes they backfire and from an excerpt from Jason Schreyer's book
That was posted in Bloomberg. Well, we know that one of the CFOs who was thrown into Blizzard Entertainment
Who came from the soap industry that individual just thought I can make more games by opening up more development offices
Which is all base soap guy
Well, if you want more games just make more games
Well, if we have
If we have five games we're making five million dollars
Why don't we make ten games and make ten million dollars guys? I just doubled our revenue
We see not how it works
But it does show that there's a class of executive investor who genuinely does not understand how this industry works
So that's why a case like this a cell like this and EA investor day is pretty good. By the way
You want to hear another person? I'm pretty sure is a beneficiary of this is Mark Cuban
Mark Cuban, I'm pretty sure sold broadcast TV
Back in a time where people projected the internet having infinite growth and he sold it for like one to three billion dollars
And the people that I as far as I know the people that he sold it to
lost her ass on this like they never really made a lot of money back off of it and why is that because again it's
Projections that are undefinable. That's where the big money comes in
Yeah, Yahoo, right internet radio. Yeah, it was fucking delusional
He sold to Yahoo. Yeah, yeah, he saw it to Yahoo. How are they doing?
Is you that way user-generated content tools you have people make their own maps and modes you then monetize the platform and give
yourself a massive split. Because of course if you monetize the platform you can just
recruit your users to make the content. And if you do that successfully, congratulations.
You can now grow exponentially as a technology platform with content made by your users
and you don't really need to be constrained by, you know, hiring good development teams.
That's right. That's exactly right. And that is the Roblox method. The children
yarn for the mines. And they found ways to put themselves to work instead of being in
the mine now they're in minecraft. It's obviously the reason why we like games, but to investors
it's catnip. I don't think that's even true. I think that people love player created content.
And I think that for example, all the mods for Dark Souls are a great example of that.
love mods and people love player-created content. It's not even that it's a bad thing.
It's that the company dividing a business model and building a business model around
it is a cynical approach to creating value for shareholders and it ultimately is just
about getting free labor from people that are doing work for you. That's really what's
happening.
for investors who want more AI in their portfolio, but they don't want to be too consolidated
in Nvidia and Microsoft. And that's why, looking at this video, it all looks like bullshit.
We look at the UI. We laugh at the obvious fakery. We look at how the character selection
screen is obviously a mock-up and is pulling in characters that just make no cohesive
sense. But the investors are blind to that. Instead, they feel safe knowing that in
In the face of Roblox and Fortnite, EA is demonstrating a robust user-generated content
strategy, but one that is built with artificial intelligence at its core.
I think this is a huge problem, by the way, and it's like a huge economic problem at scale
that you have a lot of investment that's being made without any sort of informed decision-making
process and the people that are doing the investing don't understand what they're
spending their money on.
This is a huge issue.
The best bit though for us is that we can look at EA's recent track record.
Including the track record that they think is so good they can show it to their investors.
For you and me though, we just get to have a free laugh.
EA Football Club 2025.
Pretty awesome.
You're looking at the future boys.
There it is.
You don't have to give FIFA licensing money and you got all of the same ultimate team
revenue.
time though promoted by the AI husk of cover star Jude Bellingham. Yes, I want you to assume
the brace position. Imagine the plane is about to go down. You need to assume the brace position
because it's the only way you're going to survive this cringe. Let's see what Jude said.
It's like a dream come true. Stepping onto the pitch for the first time,
it was a surreal feeling. I mean I grew up watching Real Madrid. I even played as them in the
natural and high utility interactions. Where? This is the worst that will be.
I agree that EA is making a good decision by investing into AI,
but I find it to be silly that their use case that they're showing
is really not very good.
Hey, games, for my brother Joe. So to actually play for real in front of all those fans,
it's something you can't really explain. EA actually did this. They thought this was
shipable and a good idea, but it kind of gets worse. It brings me to project air. You will love this.
The Mr. Wilkes air assures me and you that quote AI is not merely a buzzword to us. You know he is a
deep passion and conviction. By the way, like I want to say that AI is that I think AI is the
future. I think that AI is going to be how businesses are built. And I think that if you don't,
Like if you don't like acclimate to that and adapt to it, you will be beaten by people who do.
It's like the internet or it's like any other form of technology that can improve progress or production.
AI isn't special. It's just like anything else.
And in conviction that has led to this, here's how EA described Project R, right?
Project R lets us build characters that we the consumer can have experiences with.
I mean, I don't know about you, fellow consumer, but I enjoy having experiences with characters.
But as a cute first to really show off their technology and action, enter Ace Desai, legendary
investor world-renowned venture capitalist who knows how to play his cards right.
Stunning stuff, but that's just a character bio.
No, as he himself said, we need to be able to have experiences with Ace, because while
Well, ace to sigh is not a real person. Ace to sigh has been created by EA's new project air.
They entered the prompt. I'm thinking a high-state PC who swims in the waters of innovation.
With that prompt, our man is created. Ace to sigh. They then decide to give Ace a challenge.
This of course is the experience. How about pitching him a business idea and seeing if
I can lock in an investment? Now to be clear, this is not some sort of elaborate joke.
They actually showcase this, the idea of making your own character have an experience with
them.
They thought they do this legendary investor character as a way to be cute towards the attending
audience for EA Investor Network 24.
Obviously, if they were going to be a bit more targeted to the gamers, they would have
made it all together a lot more steamy and related to the Dragon Age franchise.
Anyhow, it's obviously been bad though.
They want to get to a place where they don't need to rely on game development
efforts and patch cycles and content cadences where they want this stuff to just be existing
and users creating the content for themselves all in a way.
This will happen. I think that it will happen to a lesser extent. And I think Roblox is
an example of that. The problem isn't that EA is doing it. It's that EA is doing
it in a way that is reactive to the market rather than proactive in creating their own
demand inside of the market. And I think that's what a lot of investors should try to realize
is that what EA is doing is they're trying to copy what the existing trend is while operating
before that, sorry, like behind the trend. You just can't, you can't do that anymore. That doesn't
work. Yeah, continue. You want to push one button to make a game? Yeah, that is far off.
Let's today talk about what they're doing in the video games right now. So we just
Just survived a whole bunch of investor buffoonery, the sorts of things that Andrew Wilson will
be saying to investors to basically get them thinking that EA is amazing.
But let's talk about the concrete, how it actually impacts how we play games and how
games are made.
There's a few examples.
Whenever they talk about using AI for EA Sports College football, what they mean is using
machine learning stuff, using photos to map 150 stadiums and 11,000 players.
They did that as pre-production, which then allowed for the full development of
the game to start with all the assets that they needed.
I think that's a really good usage of that technology.
How else are you going to get like college football with 11,000 players and all of the
different stadiums?
How are you going to get that in the game, especially for say your local team?
That is pretty cool.
Whatever EA president Laura Mellay says that the Sims platform is going to use AI to
take a player request and surface matching content from a library of 100 million assets.
She is reasonable.
I mean maybe that standard machine learning maybe they do use a large language model to sort of process the
Yeah, this is a good thing like all of this is good
Everything about this is good. Of course, they're gonna do this
Wow, what a big surprise and also again the reason why they're doing it is like number one
It can make the game better
But more importantly it can make them able to make the game with less effort and less money
And they don't have to pay people to do that because why the fuck would they want to deal with a bunch of
unionizing, liberal, you know, like these like, oh, well, we don't like AI, we're not
going to do this, we want a lunch break, we don't want to have to work overtime, why would
they want to deal with them? Fuck that. You just have a robot doing. It's not any question.
The problem with that is they're taking AI, is it eventually anyone in the military could
create their own game at the click of a button making them entirely redundant? Yeah,
they'll make money until that happens.
Request.
Well, that's the kind of thing that makes sense and in many ways has existed for a long
time because be it a modern smartphone camera, a Google search or so many things that we've
been using for the last two decades, it's existed under the name of machine learning
for years and years and years.
The difference is that to promote this to investors, you got to wrap it up in
a sexier package, one that they can understand, one that looks similar to the thing
that made Nvidia explode in stock prices and that's why regular run-of-the-mill machine learning is
just going to be called AI even though that this has been happening for probably two or three years
now that machine learning is effectively just called AI it's intelligence is pretty much anytime
that a computer makes a decision it's AI now singular and limited that it's not everyone's that
Yeah, I know it looks like garbage like I like how do you how do you play this and like oh wow
I want to look like a you know the worst character in Jersey Shore
Or like this weird like kind of overweight lady. I mean like what is this?
Why would you why would anybody do this like it's weird if your garbage extends to techniques that enable better
So maybe a joint photogrammetry like we saw in sports college football that enables your
small local college stadium to actually be in a video game.
But the thing is that to investors, those don't really matter seeing AI matters.
And that makes our job hard.
Because by the definition that companies use to sell themselves to investors, Blizzard
Entertainment uses artificial intelligence on World of Warcraft.
they actually do is they use machine learning to resize helmets to fit different races because
that's grunt work that no artist wants to do.
And so we end up in this strange situation where to the C-suite, AI is just another
chance to signal that they're a forward-looking and vestibule company.
We've been here with Crypto.
Almost every major company talked up having deeply integrated Crypto plans.
Thank God that died.
I was so worried, it was, actually I wasn't really worried,
it wasn't getting popular because it was just like,
I understood like how dumb it was.
But man, sometimes it's crazy to look back on 2021 and 2020
and see just how delusional and stupid people were.
They were selling JPEGs of a monkey to each other
for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
How did this happen?
Yeah, how, this is crazy.
much of that has actually happened in a way that is moving
to the consumer. I mean, it's basically not happened. But what I would say is that AI and
how it's developing now is more powerful. It sparks more ethical dilemmas. And so in
the very best instance, a professional can work out how to use new technologies in
their workflow, be that traditional machine learning or yes, even using a large language
model. I do actually use large language models a fair bit. Do you know what it's for? Some
copy editing stuff. Red teaming my own work because I just know that I have some pitfalls
as a writer and just having a more accurate spell check. That's really useful. But the
point is most of what I've done for the last 10 years is writing. I know what good
looks like. So I know how to use a new tool to make my human creativity better.
That's the problem here. That's the best case scenario best is not default and right
That is what will happen though and that like that best case scenario will be what gets defaulted to
Because somebody in the market will deliver that and they will outperform people who don't
That's what's going to happen. It's not like they're going to replace everybody
They're gonna replace 80% of people and have the remaining 20% do all the work
Now, incentives steer us in the opposite direction. That's why electronic art,
Spanted Investor Day, humiliating themselves to their customers and to their workers,
because for the workers they see this, they know it looks bad. And the best that they can
expect is to receive half-baked tools made by engineers working to the specs of executives.
And that is why I even as somebody who by default is a techno optimist have a little bit of a dim view of
Where this stuff is going to go. I can see these things being used
Well, I can see the technology unlocking better. Yeah, I'm very positive about it
I know the people who actually have the power to actually move the needle
Well, they are the ones that have just forced AI into insert whatever normal consumer application
you use where it is unwelcome, unhelpful, and at best just promotes the factory farming of
slop content. And that's why we must always. The thing is that that's true. But like, there's a
reason why companies are doing that. And I think that in a lot of cases, like you are seeing
customer service be replaced by bots. And I'll be honest, guys, I learned this from Taco Bell.
So I'm like 90% sure that Taco Bell uses AI to take your order because I go to Taco Bell and I order and I get the food I ordered.
That would never happen back in the day. It's unheard of. So it's like, how is it that you got my order wrong?
Probably like 60% of the time. And now you never get the order wrong. That's AI.
There's some sort of computer fuckery that's happening here because there's no way they decided to hire smart people
I know that I look at them when I get my food. They're not any smarter than they were 10 years ago, but the computer's smart
Speech recognition as an AI once well like that's what Belly or was saying right is how like all types of
Computers making decisions are referred to as AI
That that's like the whole point of like what he was making in the video
You know, examine the incentives just like what we did investigating the implosion of
one of Indie Gaming's greatest publishers.
Watch it next.
There's even a billionaire island involved.
Oh boy.
How can you not click?
It's going to replace my face in like half a second.
The shock.
Oh, uh-oh.
It's the cat island.
AI is only as smart as how much resources it has to capitalize on.
Yeah, but I think that this is going to continue like, let me link you guys to video.
I think I am very, very, very optimistic about AI.
I think AI is going to keep growing and keep getting bigger.
And I don't think that it's going to stop anytime soon.
It's going to just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger because that's why
because I honestly, I think it works, right?
Like you wouldn't see so many people and also AI and automation.
I think that like the two things are very interchangeable.
People talk about them interchangeably a lot.
And with both of these things, I think apps of fucking Lutley, you're going to see way more people pushing it and way more people using it.
And also, I think it's very telling that the people who are working in these industries, like for example, like those guys that are working at the Longshoreman,
why are they against automation? Because it's good. That's the reason why they're against it.
People would have no reason to fight against a system that was broken or dysfunctional
They wouldn't be threatened by it
Automation's the next buzzword automation has been a buzzword for 15 years when's the debate? I don't know
I'm gonna look and see when the debate is actually because I did say I was gonna do that
I want to look at like what the timing is for it or anything like that and
It's 8 p.m. Central time. Well, let me take a look and see for myself
So basically what's happened is I think today today is the day that we're gonna have the vice presidential debate
Let me go back and double-check it
Let me see here
vice president
Debate start time. Okay
It's too tight two hours from now
We said I can find it VP debate how to watch it. Okay?
Let me see here
9 Eastern, which means that it's going to start at 8 p.m.
So let me see if I can find out where the information is of this and it is
Yeah, that's gonna be like an hour and a half basically, right? Let me see here
VP debates. I see it on Twitter. Yeah, I'll see if I can find it here. Is it CNN news?
Well, this isn't it.
Yeah, what is this?
It makes to go face-to-face and possibly the last debate before election day with so much on their line
And this is Kamala Harris and Donald Trump aren't doing another debate. Is that true? They're not
Fuck man, it's a great question and I would start right there. I won't Trump won't do it
deals with these developing stories. Oh
The aftermath he pussy. He won't accept. Why you what we have been covering throughout the day this
escalation by Iran in the Middle East doing a town hall no more election farming
There's got to be a way that I can farm it.
I'll find a way.
Kamala won't go on Fox.
I mean, didn't they get found out for like some sort of collusion
with Kamala Harris' campaign or was that bullshit?
I just, I never really know like what I'm reading nowadays
because I feel like everything has like such a massive spin on it.
There is, yeah, yeah.
Cause like I was reading that like they were not really like basically
they were coordinating with them.
And that she had the questions ahead of time
They admitted to it. Yeah, they were working with her, which is like that's crazy
I said before I don't think that
Moderators should do any type of fact-checking. Are we good? We're good. Yeah, we just had a little hiccup there
Not a big deal, but yeah anyway
She was just prepared I don't know
It was rigged against Trump. No wonder he doesn't want to go back
He didn't push you out. He just didn't want to participate in a rig debate. I'm not sure like I I don't want to argue and be like
Oh, well, no was against Trump. It wasn't against them. I I don't know
There's nobody imagined they would ask about immigration health care, etc
Well, I'm talking about what was admitted by CNN. I think it was right like I just
Again anytime I read something like that. I always think that there's some kind of spin on it
So I am very like kind of
distrusting of it now
With this debate, if they don't bring up the couch fucking or the horse come, I am going to be very disappointed.
That's what I want to see.
I do. I want to see that. Yeah, like, I'm telling you, like, yes, apps are fucking loopy.
Yeah, that'd be an L. Who cares? It'd be funny.
Yeah, of course it'd be bad for democracy and it'd be bad for the country. It'd be embarrassing.
embarrassing, but it would be fucking hilarious if it happened.
And that's what matters to me.
Wait what?
Okay.
So basically there are, so I'll do like an abbreviation of this for the European viewers
that are unfamiliar with the level of insanity that we exist in.
So we have the two vice presidential candidates.
This guy, JD Vance, 39 year old senator, seems to be like a kind of a weird guy, a lot of
people don't really like him.
And in the first edit or first edition of his autobiography, there was stated inside of
the autobiography that he would have sex with a sofa.
Now I'm not sure what the details on this were, right?
I'm not sure exactly how it happened, exactly.
But all I know is that there was a sofa and there was sex with a sofa and there was only
one person involved and it was him.
This was since removed from the autobiography and JD Vance as far as I know has not commented
on whether he's fucked a sofa.
He has not come clean about this.
The public's been wondering about this for a while and he still has yet to give them
an answer.
So yeah, that's number one, that's the first guy.
And the second guy is Tim Walz, who there is a story that was with Tim like it's total
total total fucking like fabrication.
A news story was falsely written that Tim Walz had to go to the hospital and have his
stomach pumped because he ingested too much horse come in the year 1996 or 1998.
That's right. And so how do you know? Because I remember seeing it happen.
Yeah, I remember seeing the article. I read the article about him, you know,
like, yeah, with the horse come. Exactly. My kind of party. And so these are the two
People that are are gonna go there and by the way the horse come story has been
This has been pushed by Donald Trump Jr. I think that it might have even been eluded to by the Trump campaign
The couch fucker thing. I'm pretty sure has been referred to by Tim Walsh indirectly
so
Again
This is the world. Oh, yeah. I'll watch tampon Tim drink horse come. Oh, you want temp?
What's the tampons? Oh, yes and Tim walls also wanted tampons in boys bathrooms
I guess is some sort of like trans solidarity thing
I'm not sure how true that is but in my opinion that's less exciting about work than horse come
So I kind of just ignored that experience in China could help them as a VIP. That's right
Tim walls also apparently has been to China a bunch of times and
people find that to be upsetting. So yeah, I'm trying to think about what else
dudes don't need tampons. Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's silly too, but
I'm just explaining that's what's happened, right? There are any tampons in
men's bathroom in Massachusetts. Look, I don't like, again, I think it's
silly, but what else do you want me to say? Right? Stolen valor? Oh, right, right. Okay,
there's another component to this. Okay. I totally forgot. So military record.
Both candidates have a dubious military record that is contested at multiple points. Tim Wals
was in the military for over 20 years, and he retired from the military. Some people say
that he retired from the military because he was afraid of getting deployed. Other people say
that he was already going to leave and he, you know, like just left whenever he said he was going
to leave and wasn't a National Guard. I don't think that he was National Guard. I think that at a
period in time he actually was in one of the four service branches. He was. Let me look it up
right now because I don't want to misinformation you guys um let me see
here okay um I'm not gonna have to look it up hello hey he was National Guard
okay um that he retired and then he didn't go in for deployment yeah before
before the deployment was given, but then people said that he...
the response to that is that he would have known ahead of time before the official command was,
so people don't believe that entirely.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
All right, all right, thanks.
So I'm gonna get back to it.
There's a lot more crazy stuff.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, I'll talk to you later.
He's in the National Guard, guys. Yep. Yeah, he's in the National Guard. There you go. And
there it is going. Yeah, yeah, I guess so, right? And he got kicked out, apparently got
kicked out of the National Guard for sucking too many horse dicks. There are people that
say that. Now, by people that say that, I mean, there's two people that said that
in Twitch chat. Not necessarily a majority there, but yes. He's sucking too many horse
dicks. What MOS is that? I don't know. Anyway, so yeah, basically they were both in the military,
but they're both trying to discredit each other's military service. That's pretty much
what happened, right? He lost his rank because he got pulled out of the deployment. Yeah,
And it's complicated, right?
I'm not saying it's like super simple or anything like that.
But yes.
How many Horsticks is too many?
I'd say like more than three.
I would say I think more than three is too many.
You think one is too many?
Okay.
He also said he wasn't a war and he wasn't.
That's right.
So Tim Wall's also like there's a...
I don't know whether this is true or not, but I've seen clips of him saying that he was
in a war whenever he actually wasn't.
And that's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, basically stolen valor.
And so these are the different problems that people have with these two guys, right?
This is it.
He did say that.
Yeah, I just don't know that for sure.
So I wanted to stop.
He got the rank because he left because before doing the required paperwork, he requested
to leave three months before he found out they were getting deployed.
Yes, that's true, but then people respond to that by saying that he knew ahead of time
that they were going to be requested to be deployed or, you know, commanded to deploy
and that's why he requested to leave.
So it kind of, it can go back and forth, right?
And like at a certain point, the ultimate, like the ultimate outcome is that if you
like him. He's he's an American hero and if you don't like him it's stolen dollar. That's it because
there's no definitive answer for any of this. That's a Cardinal's son USA isn't it? Yeah it is.
Do you think anyone's ever cared about a vice president this much? Absolutely. So back in 2008
We had Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin was the governor of Alaska and she was picked to run with John McCain.
And the only good thing about Sarah Palin was that she was hot.
Everything that she said was stupid and in general people thought that she was a moron,
but she was hot. And so yeah, that's about it. And I would say that back then
And it definitely damaged John McCain's career
because she said some stuff that was really stupid.
Yeah, so there was definitely that.
I can see Russia from my house.
Yeah, she said that she can see Russia from her house
in Alaska, which would make sense nowadays.
See, here's the thing.
This is what's so crazy is that back then
it was seen as like a crazy insane statement
that a moron would make.
And now she's based because she is, she's implying that it's flat.
The first flat earth candidate.
How about that?
Yep.
Yeah, she was ahead of her time.
Exactly.
She was a trendsetter?
Yeah, exactly.
She never said that.
That's a lie of an SNL sketch.
Maybe she did, I don't know.
But I'm saying like it doesn't matter.
It was like almost 20 years ago, right?
My point is that, yeah, vice presidents have always mattered, but it doesn't matter as much.
She said it exactly.
I don't know whether she said it or not.
No idea.
It doesn't matter.
It literally happened again 15, 20 years ago.
So who cares?
I like the Antspam 100% against raising taxes and punishing people without children.
Yeah, I think that's stupid.
It definitely is stupid.
that
the
He refused to condemn the January 6 criminals who attacked the U.S. capitals in our democracy
But in the anger that he got into as the poise and dignity and the sharp
Retorts from vice president Harris
He lost some of that composure in there and when he was referring to those rioters and go back and make sure you'll see this again
I'm sure he said we did nothing wrong. He didn't say they he said we
That's a good one
Yep, that's a good one and then at the end. Yeah at the end of this thing
You watched 90 minutes
You watch that beat him at the ballot box beat him at the ballot box
We have got the opportunity people what he didn't say and this is the difference and look
there's a lot of reasons my god too many to list time we're here
a lot of reasons this guy shouldn't get anywhere near the white house again
Mike my team just said this is the best rally crowd we have seen and i think they're
well we'll go whenever uh jd vance is talking about something too we'll listen to that
query asman agrees with the clown um i think tim waltz is a uh
I think that he is right about the January 6th thing.
He is.
And I think that Trump makes a mistake by trying to dance around it.
And I actually, I do think so.
I think that it's an unnecessary L for Trump.
And I think that he should just come out and be like, yeah, it was bad.
No, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, guys, no, this is not an L take.
a lot of the people that were involved with january six
apps of fucking we deserve to be in jail
not every single one of them
not even the majority of them
but there were a lot of them that were breaking windows stealing property and
damaging things and every single fucking one of them should be in jail
there is no other perspective to have
if you go into a government building whether they let you in or not
that doesn't mean that you can break the windows
and steal their shit.
Imagine fucking thinking that's okay.
It's retarded.
Why the fuck do you pick this hill to die on?
It's so stupid.
It's such a stupid thing to say.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Why would people say this?
Why would you try to argue this?
It's so silly.
Why?
Why would you do this?
It's such an unnecessary L.
It's a free country?
Well it wasn't free stuff.
Jesus.
our stuff we paid for it then why does he get to have it in his public and his private house if it's
our stuff then why does he get to take it home why does he get to destroy it what a stupid thing to
say Jesus you stole it from us yeah because it isn't the same amount of resources devoted to the
people in seattle overtaking a neighborhood and the police department who gives a fuck about that
That woulda- So, that th-
Okay, so let me get this straight.
We're retarded because they're retarded.
You know what that makes you?
Retarded.
That's right.
Nope.
Yeah, nope.
Good one, guys.
Real good argument.
Great art-
Fucking brilliant.
I'm saying that's why people are angry with the amount of attention either got.
I agree with you.
here's what i think anybody who is involved with any of those riots uh you know burning things down
you know like damaging property i think they should be in jail too
i i have the same opinion about them as i do with the january six people it's the same
fucking thing it's not like it's any different to me i feel like it's the exact same okay we've
We've got somebody, we've got point, bro.
This is somebody who's really, really, really upset.
I swore to God, if you roach out on me and you shy away, I want to hear why this isn't
true.
Let's go.
You've been half of the people typing L and chat.
It's just been you over and over.
No, no, no, no, no.
Come on, let's hear it.
Let's go.
Libtar discovered.
Let's hear it.
Let's go.
I wasn't aware that destroying property
in a federal building,
thinking that should be a crime,
makes you a Libtar.
That's crazy.
I guess you learn something new every day.
What was your price?
Who do you think paid me?
We're gonna speedrun this.
account created on 27. Yeah, no, that's okay. 30 pieces of silver. Why did you use that? So
anyway, what about what I'm saying is inaccurate? Yeah, I'm just I'm curious. Like what what
are you unhappy about? We've got we've got plenty of time until the debate starts. We've
got so much time that we can think about what you think. What is it? There's got to
be something right they got to you it's tragic nope uh-uh what am I saying
that is inaccurate and who's they the guys of Canada's four days old yeah he
talks like he is too but that's okay that's what some people do let's see if
we can get a response here we've got to have something right I mean you're not
just gonna say some random ass shit how do these guys not answer your
question? I don't know. The luminous they, I know. We'll give
them a couple more minutes and then I want to move on to the
next one. Okay. He'll name call. Well, I don't know about that.
We'll have to see. Uh oh, there's no response. It's crazy how
somebody can be so vocal and so outspoken. And the moment
that they're asked to explain any point of view that they
have, or any issue that they have, they literally can't do it. It's sad. I feel bad for them.
He roached out. Yeah, he actually wrote the couch was over 18. How do you know that? He
never said how old the couch was. He could have bought that at Goodwill. His mom was broke.
His mom was a broke crackhead. You really think that she had a, you know, actually
to be fair yeah I mean if she was a broke crackhead then she probably did have
an old couch and the couch probably could have been over 18 years old but what
are couch years to people years do we know what that is because we could also
do some telemetry and think about what about horse years how old was the
horse five human years equals one couch here oh wow in my defense I stopped at
two horse-dicks. You're getting banned because you're an idiot. You're a fucking idiot. You're
a shit-talking idiot. You've been sitting in my chat for four days being stupid. Let's
read some more messages here. That not grinding enough. Basically, terrorist birds. Oh my god.
AFD are the good guys. What's AFD? ASMR isn't a fetish or sa-
We've had enough. That's enough for me.
That's like saying people use torrents for things other than illegal and pirating music.
Yes, that's true, but let's be real.
AFD is a far-right wing party in Germany.
Ooh! Maybe he was an Adolf enjoyer. I don't know.
He'll be yeah, he'll be back in four days
Yeah, it's an enjoyer of Austria Austrian artwork. Oh
God
Isn't it far right? I have no idea whether it is or not. Okay. I'll give a fuck about Germany's politics like I have no idea
Only right wing to be honest. It's hard to say
Jesus man
You're quite attracted to the fucking rich heads. You think you're some kind of easy target. Oh people love to here's the thing, right?
Oh, what's he talking about?
There is a guy who takes a second almost assassination attempt and responds to it with grace and good humor.
And then there's a woman who is terrified of the American media.
Who do we think ought to be the president of the United States?
Donald J. Trump.
But I think in many ways this country never healed from the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And now there were a lot of people who didn't like Bobby Kennedy.
There were a lot of people who loved him.
But whether you're a Democrat or a Republican if if an assassin takes out a presidential candidate in the midst of this election
Yeah, it is gonna cause a rift and a wound in this country that will be so deep
It will never heal. It's kind of crazy. They're trying to kill him twice
We cannot let another person take a credible shot at Donald Trump's life
It's disgraceful and we can do more to protect him and I think we have to do more to protect him
Not just for his sake, but for the sake of the American people and our shared project as American citizens
You the folks here with a little less hair and a little prayer, okay?
I want to be very clear about okay. This country needs two functioning political parties at least
We don't need one and a cult on the other side
So I'm gonna give
I'm gonna give due to the Republican Party of our grandfathers and fathers a
Republican Party when they talked about freedom they stood with our allies and wouldn't abandon that and
Yeah, we believe in the freedom to send our kids to school without being shot dead
I always wonder like how do you like do you think like people sign up to have the kids shot like somebody the
Like it that's so retarded
That's so dumb
I just yeah
It's so so stupid
He said something he means guns are bad. Yeah, how are you gonna do that?
Because you like to get yeah fear mongering I guess so
Give the teachers guns. Oh that that way that like if a student starts talking shit
Just shoot him
Just shoot him. That's it. Yeah, his kid kid doesn't know how to do math. I mean look if
He can't do multiplication by eighth grade. I think we just shoot him at that point. I mean, it's because we're wasting our time
Let's just start again. Let's just shoot him
That's it. Yeah, it
Right. I mean why not
Actually, but I mean at that point. I mean you talk about 13 years old. You still can't do multiplication you shoot
Obviously.
I'm not sending my kid to school.
You've all these shootings 1.5 hours away.
I'm not sending my kid to school.
Why would you not send your kid to school?
Cause like maybe they can get shot?
Jesus Christ.
Like these are the same people that drive around in a car every fucking day.
People are worried about getting shot in school.
Holy fuck.
It's so illogical.
Those cops failed?
That was bad. That was real bad.
Doing the world a favor.
Yeah, exactly. Good joke, right, Asman? Yeah, for sure, man. Absolutely.
And I doubt you don't have to shoot him. The other kids are already cheering.
Yeah, we really got it. We got a good time going on today, right, guys? So, what that?
What are all Trump supporters at the rallies look the same? I don't know. I mean, like,
it's mainly just older white people, right? I mean, fuck. Like, and also, by the way,
at the other rally, it was also older white people, too. It's pretty much everybody there.
Let's read some of the comments on the YouTube chat.
Oh, man.
Democrats love Diddy parties.
Not the Guns Fall, that's the crooked people doing it.
I'm waiting to fit up prepper for a tampon.
Then it's the guns.
Tampon is going down.
Diddy for democracy.
Trump for prison.
We need him to save America.
Walls is a nightmare.
We need Trump. Oh my god. Go read a book. Oh wait, you can't read
Good one guys
Imagine being so ignorant of politics that you don't know your opponent's name
That's the level of intelligence you need to support Trump
Trump vants the only way to save America JD's eyeliner lips
Oh my fucking god.
We have to stop democracy before this gets out of control.
We've got to figure out a way to stop these people from voting.
Yeah, we need like a test.
Maybe like a fall guys map they have to go through too late.
It's bad, bro. It's real bad.
Trump is so scared.
Uh-oh.
Tampons for boys in school.
That's what Tim spends your taxes on.
Look it up.
Okay, I think that's dumb.
All right, that's pretty easy that is that it yeah, that's dumb
Okay
Like it's also bullshit. Well regardless of whether it's bullshit or not. I think it's dumb
What do you think about homeschooling? I think that if you're homeschooling your kid
You're setting your kid up to not have an accurate view of what society and life is like outside of school
at the side of your home.
I think that sending a kid to public school
doesn't teach them how to learn,
but it teaches them something more important
and it teaches them how to interact
and get along with people that aren't the same as them.
And that is more important than knowing anything
in terms of like academics.
Like most academic things that you learn in school
are a complete waste of time
and nobody cares about them.
Nobody cares about if you can name all seven continents.
Nobody cares about if you can do multiplication.
People care about if you can be a good person,
if you can be easy to get along with,
and if you can be someone who they can trust
to not completely fly off the handle
when things don't go exactly your way.
So I think that being able to interact with people
and being socialized in a public school,
or at least in a school,
is more important than the education itself.
That's my opinion.
That's what I think.
Only YouTubers on the street ask those questions.
Yeah, exactly.
Nobody's actually gonna need to care about that.
Didn't you just say to shoot a kid
for not knowing multiplication?
Do you think I was being serious?
You thought I was being serious about that?
You really thought that I thought
that it would be a good idea to kill a kid
for not knowing math.
That's crazy.
Wow.
I was hoping you were serious.
course. Don't most home scores go to church filling a social gap? I think there's a pretty
big overlap, yeah. But I think it's important to go to a public school because you're going to be
dealing with the public. And I think in general it's better to learn how to deal with people
than learn in general. Most things like I view school as a primary waste of time.
I do. I think it's a total waste of time. 95% of everything that I learned in school was a
complete waste of my time. I never used any of it. I didn't care about any of it. It was just a
total fucking waste of time. Like, bad take. Well, I'm telling you like what my experience is,
right? And so true. Yeah. Would you rather have kids? No, I would put my kids in public
school because you need to learn how to get along with people. It's that simple.
It's more important than anything. Well I just had a kid in social circles
close to those other settings because you can't do it that way. That's not what
happens. I know people that went to probably that were home school. They're
not the same as people that didn't. I'll tell you that. Once again speaking
facts from a teacher standpoint yeah this person things being around
Christians you know crusaders is the right people 24-7 yeah you've got to
around people that are different than new men.
One of the biggest issues that I think a lot of people have is that they're unwilling and
unable to interact with anybody other than people like them.
And I think that that is a massive disability in life in general.
And so that's why I would want to have my kids go to a public school.
You've got to deal with Muslims.
You're going to have to deal with black people.
I know.
I know.
You can't just be racist and never deal with black people.
They're out there.
You're going to deal with them.
Mexicans. Oh my god. There's Mexicans. You're gonna have to learn to deal with Mexicans all women. Oh, oh
No
Time to learn
Time to learn let's go. That's it
They're everywhere exactly
And so if you don't know how to deal with that you're gonna have a bad time man
I'm scoring children only puts them in an unrealistic bubble that will but pop the moment they leave home setting them up for social failure
I agree man. I agree. Now if somebody wants to have their kid go be homeschooled
I think that they should have the right to homeschool their kids. I just think that it's the bad decision
That's it
Yeah, I think I think it's a bad decision like but I think they should be able to make the bad decisions
I don't know. Is that fair like I feel like that's as fair as it's gonna get. How do you deal with drag queen story time?
I don't think drag queens should have any place in a public school
Period. There's just literally never a case where that would make sense.
It's sick.
And by the way, everybody thinks this.
Everybody thinks this. There's no normal people that think that this is okay.
And that is what the Christian force believes.
I don't think that they should teach the Bible in public school either.
You're right.
Well, actually, that's not entirely true.
I think that kids should have a basic understanding of the general religions of the world, right?
Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and maybe Buddhism, right? Or like Taoism or something like
that, right? I do think that they should have an education and an understanding of what they are
at a base level and understand at least a little bit about the religion, like world history level.
That doesn't mean they need to be taught that well, you know, so the bad religion happened,
but then luckily Jesus came along and told everybody that they were actually wrong.
And so they killed Jesus, but it's okay because Jesus loved them anyway.
And then, you know, there's like Islam and, you know, oh, they're bad too.
No, of course, that's not what I'm saying they should teach.
No, that's what religion is.
Um, I don't get the drag queen thing, uh, what are they gonna do that's bad in a school?
Here's a better question.
What are they gonna do that's good in a school?
That's right, nothing.
They have no business being in a place of education.
It's a sexual adult theme.
It has no business being around minors.
It's not even a question.
No normal person thinks this is okay.
Like, please.
Wake the fuck up.
There's nothing to do with basic education exactly exposure to an uncomfortable situation. Well
I don't think that's a good
If that's your premise, I think that's a bad premise
Yes, they're form of a basic education. Yeah, but some things you don't need to learn about the drag queen story thing
It's never about being sexual and I don't believe at those schools that are hosted public spaces
I don't think that you should like if it's it I don't like what are we talking about at this point?
Right if some parents want to do this with their kids like I've had a
I've had this opinion for a while. I don't think that kids should be allowed to go to Hooters. I
Think it is a fundamentally sexual in nature
Establishment it's literally the name I
Find it I think that you know taking kids to Hooters and having them take pictures with like these girls with big boobs
Or like you know skimpy outfits. I think this is weird
I think child beauty pageants are weird. I think having kids involved with pride parades is weird
I think having kids involved the drag queens is weird
I think having kids near strippers or like any girl with like a bikini or something like that is weird all of it's weird
Every single one of them is weird
It's not even a question
Should you promote heterosexuality on children?
I think that you should educate kids about what being sexual is and like probably like late middle school like early high school
school, like you should teach them what it means to be gay, for
sure. You should teach them what it means to be straight. You
should explain like, Yeah, most people are like this, but
there's some people that aren't. And so this is the way it
works. And this is the way that we learned, like they taught us
this. I don't see it's not a problem. You're cooked on this.
What? Wait a second. Okay. What about this? What am I
cooked on. What about it? Kind of like saying that you hate mascots since they're sexualized,
but you're thinking of furries. See, you think drag queens should be around little kids? Is
that what you're saying? Just say it. It's simple, right? Yep, it's not a sexual thing. Fundamentally,
it's sexual. It is sexual by definition. Wearing drag is dressing up like the other gender.
to act like being a drag queen and drag is not sexual is the most intellectually
dishonest thing that you can possibly fucking say and if you think it's not
bad that's totally fine but no I wouldn't want my kids around drag queens I
think it's weird and has no place being in a school a school is for
education you're supposed to learn about like you know that how many
planets there aren't. Not drag queens, what the fuck are you thinking? What the fuck's
wrong with you? Like, how can you even think like this? It's insane. You're being silly.
You're misunderstanding years of theater and absurd comedy. I don't understand this.
It's outlandish silliness. There's plenty of other examples of outlandish silliness
that have no place in school. You can easily say that. Monty Python has drag? Yeah, and Monty Python
wasn't meant for kids. Jesse and women's clothing is the point. It's theatrical. I'm still missing
the point where this should be related to children in public school. What are we talking about?
Not all theater is for kids. Yeah, there's plenty of theater plays like Oedipus Rex. I wouldn't
have third graders reading Oedipus Rex. It's just, this is crazy. It's the way they laugh.
There's no sexual component. If you think that there's no sexual component to drag, you
are being intellectually dishonest. It is fundamentally built around sex. The entire
premise of it is about sexuality and to say otherwise is fucking delusional. Of course
it is. That's like saying burlesque isn't sexual. Yes, exactly. Or BDSM isn't sexual. Outrageous.
And also, if you want to do drag, go ahead. Just don't involve underage people with it.
If you like, again, and also like, let's ask ourselves the question, where is the desire
to involve underage people in drag coming from? Where is this desire coming from?
probably not a good place. It's fucking weird. It's very fucking weird. It's so
important for kids to see it. Exactly. Amazing. I feel like things like that
are the unnecessary L's that, as I'm projecting, is on political brainwashing.
No drag queen go to school. Here we go. Here's another, another outspoken
retard. No drag queens go to school. Stop drinking a conservative Kool-Aid. Okay, then
if we're agreeing on this, then what's the problem? So, let me get this straight. So,
if no drag queens are going to school, isn't that good? Okay, well then we win, right?
Then we're in agreement. Everything's good. Yeah. No nuance. Stop acting like it's
problem. I think that talking about things like this is important to do and I think that how you
introduce kids to sexuality because I think that you need to do it somehow right through sexual
education is important to discuss and also I do think it's a problem not necessarily drag itself
but children being exposed to sexual themes in ways that are unhealthy or predatory. I think
it's actually a big problem. It's not real. They go to an event that parents choose to go to.
Yeah, and that's the thing, right? So if the parents are taking the kids to the event,
like for example, like I think as a parent, you shouldn't take your kid to a strip club. You
shouldn't take your kid to a Hooters. You shouldn't take your kid to a beauty pageant. You shouldn't
take your kid to a drag queen event. All of these things are true. Do you have a problem with what
I'm saying? Do you think that's not true? I feel like this is so normal what I'm saying.
It's crazy. I'm losing my mind. Talking about this, don't I think drag queens are in school?
Euraticalized and naive? I'm not sure whether they are or not. Has it happened? Has it not
happened? I've seen pictures of it. Who knows? Definition of drag is not sexuality,
but more can the cross-dressing? Okay. I don't think cross-dressing needs to be
something that you teach in schools. This is an adult sexual theme. This is a
complex gender issue that you don't need to be teaching children in school. What
the fuck are you thinking? What's wrong with you? Insane. You are insane. Just
arguing. Yes. Crazy, crazy, crazy people.
Crest dressing is hypersexual, chatter is cooked, it's sad how some people are. It really is.
But that's what happens. Should sex education be taught in school? Absolutely. Yeah, of
course. Yeah, 100%. Like you're being pretty disingenuous. They talk about same sex couples
in early years. Sexuality in sex isn't the same. Dressing up in clothes is not
sexual what the fuck are there really this many people that think like this you really
think that like you really think you should have kids around like drag queens you think
that's normal like no really do you do this I'm so confused they're arguing it because
they want to convert children into being gay I don't know about that I'm not saying that
I never said that there's a problem with modern education left his teachers messed up
people. No, this is not a teacher's fault. The point is right when
rhetoric constantly try to paint a picture where trans people and drag
queens, etc. are are relentlessly besieging school gates and trying to
convert kids bring us up over and over just strengthens that belief that
there's a mass attack on schools by transgender people. I think that you're
using drag queens and transgender interchangeably, which they're not
interchangeable. They're totally different. Um, they're they're
completely different like you see there's it traps, fin boys, trans, cross
dressing, um drag queens, what do we have? Did I say fin boys? I'm trying to think
about that. What are the other ones that we have? There is a spectrum of
this. Fuda, that's another one. There is a spectrum of all of these. Everybody
understands that. It's been on the internet. Yeah, but you're also anti-trans. Why does
it matter if they're conflating the two? Really, when did I say that I was anti-trans?
What's sexual about a drag queen? The fact that they're dressing up in women's clothing
and dancing around? I've seen drag queens do things. It's not even a question. It's
It's sexual in the same way that going to Hooters is sexual.
Brain on.
Yeah, when did I ever say anything about transgender people?
Because I feel like the only person who's conflating them is you.
Feeding the brain rot, I know.
It's sad, Burl.
It really is sad.
It's like being a teacher in high school and fishnets as a six.
Man, I can see what you're arguing is sexual.
Teachers have a dress code to abide by.
I feel like I've lost a little bit track of the argument.
This is against introducing children under 16 to sexual themes, or just drag queens.
Sexual themes, any type of sexual deviancy at all, or sexual themes in general.
I think that it should be done in a, you know, a scientific way, but why?
The reason why is that I think that it's too prone for abuse, and it introduces kids.
It's basically the reason why you teach kids subtraction in addition, before you
teach them multiplication and division.
It's that you have to have a foundation in order for kids to understand sexuality as
a baseline and the biology behind it in order for them to understand the more complex themes
as you get older.
It's pretty simple actually.
So yes, oh that's right.
There's no reason why I'm anti trans because I never even said that.
I wasn't even talking about that.
Drag queens are not transsexuals.
I think that's insulting to both drag queens and transsexuals.
Sad. Really sad.
Did you have cross-dress day in high school?
Uh, no. No. Not really.
Um, yeah, no.
Also, like, if a kid cross-dresses in school, that's very different than an adult coming to a school cross-dressing.
For the purpose of being a cross-dresser.
These are two very different things
Like you went to a Diddy's school. I guess so
It's crazy
You're from Texas dude. It's very puritanical
It is not puritanical to think that you should not expose children to adult sexual themes
This is not puritanical. This is normal. This is what normal people think
I'm sorry
I'm sure this might be upsetting for you, but it's true
No.
Harrison Walsh is going to win.
You think they're going to win?
I think Trump is going to win.
But I think there's a good chance Trump could win by electoral college but lose the popular
vote like you did in 2016.
I do.
I do think Trump is going to win this one.
No way Trump wins.
I think it's going to be really close.
Now I think that like as time has gone on, my confidence in Trump winning has gone down,
but I still think that I'm above 50% with that confidence level, but not that far above
it.
Who's going to win the popular vote?
This won't be close.
Well, I guess we'll find out, right?
I don't know.
What are your thoughts on Halloween outfits?
Well, let's get right back.
Let's get right down to it.
If people are wearing Halloween outfits, if like students come to school wearing a Halloween
outfit that violates the dress code, then they should have to take it off and change into
normal clothes, obviously.
It's so easy.
It's crazy how easy this is.
But some people manage to do mental gymnastics and hurt themselves in the process.
It's pretty simple.
That's how my school did it. Yeah, obviously. Just like a school shooter. We actually have
a friend that did that. He wore a trench coat and everything. Yeah. Do you think the US is
ready for a female president? I think the US was ready. I mean, I honestly like, I feel
like I don't know. Is it a bigger deal to have a black president or a female president?
I feel like it's just so hard to say. I'll say like, I'm pretty sure women got the
right to vote like after black people did. So a woman is very different. I don't know.
I mean, is the US ready for a female president? I don't think it's going to be that big of
a difference. I think that we've effectively had female presidents in the past. Woodrow
Wilson had his wife make a lot of decisions and help him towards the end of his presidency.
I think we have a woman president kind of right now. I'm going to be honest. I feel
like, yeah, Jill Biden, right? I mean, it's kind of kind of like that. FDR, another good example of that. So Eleanor Roosevelt. So I think that we've had many instances of that in the past. Reagan, I didn't know about Reagan. But yeah, I think he had like dementia towards the end, but I'm not entirely sure. The majority couldn't care less. No, I think that gender does definitely
matter. But I think that really it's like there's a lot more topics besides that.
Is a female ready to be president? No, I think they need a few more hundred years to evolve.
Yeah, I mean, I don't, yeah, they probably have to evolve a little bit more until
until I'd be ready to take that risk, right? I mean, come on. Let me see if I read a few more
of these. Gender matters more. Women think very differently than men. Yeah, I think in some
cases that's true. I'm not sure if that's always true. I feel like actually, why I'm sure. I'm sure
it's not always true. But in some cases, yeah, of course that happens. Just give me one second. I
have to make sure that I, since I'm going to be doing this for a while, I'm going to try to order
food. And I actually had, I'm out of fucking sodas. Okay. What do you mean to bean and cheese
taco combo isn't on the menu anymore what the fuck what the fuck I just how does
this happen to me Pepsi okay all right now I have to so I have to order each one
individually now motherfucker where's just a bean and cheese taco Jesus it's so
easy like okay give me a minute you guys can listen to all Baldy here give me a
minute where is it motherfucker
Give me a minute.
Elections, elections have consequences and let's not forget in this, we've got a little
over six weeks to go and it is a fine-air choice.
Searching taco.
Where is taco?
I don't want steak fajita.
Like two taco, I don't want taco plates.
But for the next 40 years.
This piece of shit.
housing inflation that's on Kamala Harris groceries you can't afford that's on Kamala
Harris housing that is unaffordable for young American families that is on street tacos
wide open border that's on Kamala Harris to mother fucker your breakfast tacos
back to San Francisco because I found it and that's clearly where she ought to be and
this is what she said she wanted to ban fracking and now she says she supports fracking
$2 for this shit?
$4.58 for two bean and cheese tacos.
Suck my fucking dick.
Fuck man!
You mean the horse in the room?
Talk about him sucking a horse dick!
again
I thought he was gonna do tips
Uh-oh
town of a population of 400 working on the family farm. I told people that I had 24 kids
in my class, 12 were cousins.
Talk about the shipping port strike? I did. I talked about it. I think that these people
are speedrunning getting replaced by robots.
I'll tell you that.
Yeah.
Now, the single one of them went off to rip people off in New York City by discriminating
against rental housing and things like that.
He grew up in a town.
Which I think is a brilliant quote by your great governor, Josh Shapiro. He often
says and I hear him say this whenever Donald Trump's talking about America
he's like okay make a freedom freedom now bro like I'm fucking busy looking at
this not believe in the promise of America and he continues to put this
country down you know it goes to show there is a difference in leadership style
there is a guy who takes a bullet to the head and stands up and says fight
fight fight there is a guy who takes a second almost assassination attempt
and response is a guy that takes a horse's dick and then there's a woman who was terrified in the
American media who do we think ought to be the president of the United States Donald J.
Trump okay never mind but I think in many ways this country never healed from the assassination
of Robert F. Kennedy we already heard this yeah anyway if he doesn't talk about bro if he
doesn't talk about I will be so disappointed by this debate if they don't bring up the couch
Or the horse come I
Will be actually so disappointed
I'm really hoping for it I
Am like I they won't they have to man they have to
Like don't count on it. No, I really really want to have it the eyeliner
I don't know if he's wearing eyeliner or not. I have no idea
idea. Please elaborate. What the fuck is the horse controversy? Damn, it's crazy. You guys
don't even know about any of that. Oh my God. Like, see, this is the problem is that a lot
of people nowadays aren't losers anymore that care about all these weird things that happen
on the internet. Whereas for me, I do. I know about all kinds of crazy shit like
this. I'm very much about it. And, and, and, you know, I keep up with every single crazy,
every crazy opinion, every crazy thing that happens. I am always there. Mr. Hands. Yep.
So you're a loser. I know every internet thing that's ever happened basically. Not every
single one, but almost every single one. Most interesting thing about these two. Well,
I mean to be fair. Yeah, it is. I mean that that's what I'm mainly here to see. I talked about the Assassin's Creed Shadow situation
I have um, so here's what the situation is
The game is probably gonna be garbage
I don't think that a four or three month delay is gonna change it being garbage and I look forward to playing it and
Hopefully it won't be garbage, but I think it probably will
That's about it
Do a PC giveaway? Yeah, exactly. Can we tell about the horse come? Okay. So I guess I'll say it again since there's some people that are that are new
Basically
There was a fake story that was run about Tim Walsh needing to have his stomach pumped in
1998 because he drank too much horse come. He's the vice presidential candidate
It turns out this story seems to not really be true
Yeah, um, yeah, I'm, yeah, I was fake, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was fake. It was 1997.
Was it 97? Okay. Yeah, there you go. And, uh, yeah. And then there was also another story
about JD, uh, JD Vance having sex with his sofa. Uh, it was in his autobiography,
but then it was edited out later on, uh, whether he had a, whether he had sex with
the sofa or not is a, it's an uncertain prospect. I think if you like him, you think he didn't
and if you don't like him, you think he did. Yeah, he wrote it. Yeah, exactly. And the thing
is he could have said it about himself, but if he said it about himself, he should have
said it again, right? Yeah, why is he not saying it anymore? That story is from everyone's
all entry school, but not horse come just regular come. Well, this was I think I
I think it was three gallons of horse come, which also,
by the way, I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean
he sucked a horse's dick, right?
I mean, there's other ways.
It could have been somebody else that did it.
They could have done it another way.
But if you want to get into the details, was that on Jack
Ossie?
Three gallons is a lot.
Yeah, exactly.
It could have been multiple.
Probably it was multiple horses whenever
you think about it, right?
That's a lot.
Drinking three gallons of water is a lot?
Yeah, that's crazy, isn't it?
I need a source for this story.
The sources it got made the fuck up.
There is no source for this story.
There's no, you know, primary information about this.
There's no picture of this, because it didn't happen.
Yeah, it's just bullshit.
Yeah, sorry to say, guys.
Donkey shows weren't uncommon in the 90s, so it's not too far-fetched
All right. Well, and that's the thing
That's the thing is that
Even if it's why does JD do you think that he actually wears eyeliner? I don't even know if he wears eyeliner or not
I think that it like guys wearing makeup. I
Think it's kind of weird. I
Mean if you want to do it if you're like a rock star or something like that, it's fine
But it's kind of weird. I think it's yeah emo right if you're an emo you can do it
Johnny Depp can do it, but an average guy like Tim Walls can't wear makeup like JD
Vance can't wear makeup yeah I go off that's fine but these guys know they
can't do it. Everyone on TV wears makeup it's an obligation well most of the
time like they'll put makeup on you so that your skin doesn't look shiny
Which is totally different
My foundation. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's 30 minutes until the fucking debate man. Like I'm uh, I'm curious to see what's gonna happen on this man
I really am I
Wasn't even sure whether I was gonna stay on long enough to watch it, but I feel like at this point
I'm like kind of invested right. I gotta I gotta be there
Joe Rogan says they made contestants drink horse come in one episode. Wow. So I guess Tim Walz was on that show
I guess that must be it guys
Yeah, that must have been it.
How do you feel about Poland killing illegal immigrants?
I don't care what Poland does.
Why the fuck would I care what Poland does?
I don't care.
Like, why would I care if they should do whatever they want?
That's not my fucking problem.
Like I think Poland probably is making the right decision by like not allowing any refugees
or immigrants in.
It seems like it's probably a better idea than letting a bunch of them in.
Like I'll say like, that's what I would want to do, right?
I'd want to be there. It's their country. Yeah. Well, I don't know about killing people just based on being illegal immigrants
It seems a bit extreme, right? You want my opinion about it, but you know, it depends on why they're doing it
You're too honest. I'm not honest. I'm not like I feel like most people think that right. I mean, yeah
There you go. Adolf was an illegal immigrant in Poland. Yeah, and if they had killed him, imagine how many problems that would have solved
There it is
Yep, that great great point. There you go
They defend the border it's different
No, I don't know
If you're trying to force your way into my country you're not an immigrant you're an invader
Well, I mean that's fine
I mean if they want to shoot people that come across the border then I don't know it seems kind of extreme
But sure like I'm not gonna go and be like oh you can't do that. Who gives a fuck
There's just the deterrence
Uh, they're having border issues with Russia? Maybe.
Yeah, it isn't even true. Yeah, what a surprise.
Killing people a bit extreme? Yeah, usually, right? It's usually a bit much.
What happened yesterday? Why no stream? I did stream. I had a show that I was going to do,
and then after the show I did other stuff too.
Yeah, so that's the reason. Uh, we started earlier, and that's it.
They did kill one of the, uh, their soldiers with a spear. What the fuck?
what the fuck yeah I don't know what's going on over there the Russians are
pumping a bunch of young middle middle eastern men who've been chucking spears
at Border Patrol and one dude died that's crazy why they let him throw a
spear like I'm gonna be honest like bro like if you're throwing spears of
people that have a gun like I feel like that's natural selection like we're
even talking about like you're gonna throw spears that somebody's got a gun
Like, yeah, I'm sorry, you're an idiot.
Got a warning for saying a bad word in chat, live and learn?
I don't know.
Like my perspective is like, if somebody does something that's going to get me in trouble
we'll ban them, but otherwise I pretty much let people say what they want, unless they're
annoying me or I don't like it.
The Polish thing, it isn't targeted at migrants coming from Belarus.
The amusement came from somewhere else in Middle East or Africa.
Yeah, I don't know what Poland is doing, I have no idea.
Yeah, I really don't know.
The issue is they throw the spears across the border and shoot him.
Like what?
I mean it's not really that complicated, is it?
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like it seems pretty simple to me.
What would you do if you were president?
If I was president, what would I do?
I would make it illegal to play a siren on a radio unless it was the police.
So like a commercial that sounds like a siren,
I would make that illegal.
Then besides that,
oh, I pay teachers more money.
Yeah, I pay teachers a lot more money
because I think the problem is that teachers
don't get paid any money.
So retards who can't get any other job besides teaching
become teachers.
And I think that's bad for kids.
So if you pay them more money,
More people would want to be teachers.
So yeah, there's that.
Make tacos cheaper?
Ah, geez.
Let me think, besides that, what else would I want to do?
Free education?
No, there's plenty of kids who don't need to go
to college because they're stupid.
They just have them go work in the mines or something.
I don't really think so, no.
Hmm
Free health care. Yeah free health care. Yeah, I'd raise taxes a lot and give people free health care
Yeah, that's yeah, I would do that. I think that seems like a good idea
Yeah, because you'd have to make taxes way higher, but you know free health care. I think would be worth it
subsidized steam
New, California. No, I like how I've been to California. California is a nice place
Federal illegal. Yeah, I think yeah, you'd be able to smoke and grow weed as much as you want, but you just wouldn't be able to sell it to kids like regulated like alcohol. Yeah, that's true. I would also yeah, I would think yeah, definitely there'd be that.
To be honest, the US already has the most expensive healthcare. It's just badly used. Yeah, it's the most expensive because it's built around a apparatus that's built around costing the most money as possible.
It's built to be expensive.
Would you ban loot boxes like in China?
I would make it to where you cannot buy anything on a video game that you do not know exactly
what you're buying.
So for example, like you would not be able to buy a loot box and I would make it to
where anything that you buy in a video game would have to have a real world dollar amount
attached to it. And there would not be any option to make a cash purchase with something
that is denoted by anything other than the local currency. So yeah, definitely that require
an ID for gotcha games. No, no, I don't think you need an ID for gotcha games. I don't think
so. Nope. Free health care goes Oh boy, I can't wait for my appointment in two months.
I don't I don't think that's true. I think there's plenty of people like I've talked
to people that live in other parts of the of the world and they say that's not what happens.
You know, I pay and I wait that long. Yeah. And then there's also people that pay and they
wait that long too. That's actually a very good point. Yeah, you're right about that.
It's not like that's the only instance of it happening. So yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't
be too worried about that. That's not true. In other parts of the world, free healthcare
is awesome. Yeah, exactly. Like because I thought the same thing and then I talked
to somebody who was actually in part of those other parts of the world. And it turns
out that it was just bullshit. I'm sure some people have appointments to take a long time,
but like I know people here in the US have that happen too. So it's not like that there's
some sort of special thing about that. People saying waiting lists are lying. They still
got private health care in those countries. Maybe I'm not sure. Yeah, health care propaganda.
I think so too. I'm thinking so one person sample. Yeah. Yeah, I'd much rather trust
an individual person than some bullshit that I'm reading on the internet.
Yeah, because usually the bullshit you're reading on the internet is also one person.
It's one person had this happen and they're writing a story about it
because it's very problematic.
Another one, we're taking the best parts of our systems integrating it.
Yeah, I think so.
How is it free health care?
What do you mean? How's it free health care? What do you mean?
The specialist doctor takes like three months where I live.
Yeah, but that's the case even here in the U.S.
in a lot of cases, unless you have like a ton of money.
I think that I don't know like yeah I'd have to really think about that and yeah
it's paid for by taxes so it's not really free I mean like we all say
driving on a road is free right I mean like but roads are paid for by taxes I
feel like functionally this is the same thing once Baldy talking about now
together it's pretty obvious to us that Donald Trump and JD Vance you're not
sure our values in any way. I saw this before. What's he doing? Elections, elections have
consequences. And let's not forget in this, we've got a little over six weeks to go. And
it is a binary choice. It is Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
Yeah, it's all on the line 45 days, not just for the next four years, but for the next 40 years
Exploding inflation that's on Kamala Harris groceries. You can't afford that's on Kamala Harris housing that is unaffordable
Let's watch this one itself. Um, just naturally, I think it gives him a chance to introduce himself to the american people
You heard the nice trump surrogates earlier talk about
His tough upbringing. We had a mom who was an addict
What's with this fucked up Mike?
They fix it.
No one.
is lying about his military service and he said I really speak English well so
that's part of the problem what he's he was a governor and so he has a record
he's gonna have to answer why he wants taxpayer dollars to pay for illegal
aliens to get free health care no college to where it is locked down his
state and then had National Guard troops fire paintballs at citizens on
their front porch those are serious issues he's never had to answer
He's gonna bring that up. It's Jason Miller of the Trump camp. Oh, God
Staffer said an article that says they go wrapped just be real good
I'm Axios an independent organization did an analysis and spout that that Tim wall that Vance alone
Has done more than seven times as many interviews as Harris and walls
Sure
And also when Vance does is he often attacks the press but putting that aside wall Tim walls is there
No, no, I yeah, I agree. Yeah
Tim Walls propelled himself onto this ticket because he was so appealing on television and because he was so relatable and likable
He should be out there more. It's because he's a basic old white guy
And it makes all the Democrats who are un uncertain about electing a black woman or
You know a woman who is non-white
He is your basic generic
old balding white guy that old school Democrats can relate to and they could be
like okay things are gonna be fine they did it with all with Obama and it was
Biden back then and it's happening again. Tonight to be do no harm. I think the
first rule of the vice presidential pick is to do no harm and that's not just
the pick itself but in a debate for example as we were talking about though
I think a lot of these camps are already entrenched a lot of folks are gonna vote for Trump
Yeah, I don't think anybody's gonna change their mind. I think there could be an outside force that really tips the scales here
We just had a hurricane people are suffering in a state like North Carolina
I heard about the hurricane. That's bad. A lot of people are suffering don't get me wrong
But those states matter in this upcoming election. There's now a war full scale between Israel and Iran
She varies more popular than any of the three other people
a strike that's going to impact on those issues.
They don't move the voters on their own.
It's how does the ticket deal with those issues.
So I think if you're walls tonight,
you have all these backdrop of these challenging issues.
You just like to.
Any bingo?
No, I don't have a bingo.
It's reminding people about leadership
and why stability and sanity in the situation
remain in the overall.
This actually matters.
And that does.
And that does.
Trump's national security team, many of them
don't even want him to be the candidate.
Right.
And that's a challenge for I think that.
Of course it is.
But as president, we didn't have wars breaking out
all over the world.
We didn't have illegal immigrants coming into our American communities, raping and killing
people and those types of things.
They're eating the cats and dogs.
Leadership does matter.
And we didn't have to.
So bias is sickening.
I wonder why it's debate to NBC News now, the tenure to the green room real quick show
of hands.
Who thinks there'll be another debate between Trump and Harris?
Oh, wow.
No one thinks that should be.
Oh, this point of that again, Jen, thank you very much.
I think there should be another debate too because that's free content the polls with election day. Just I completely agree
Yep, there's a lot of countries that view women as property
True oh, it's that guy
Why does it seem like Democrats are in control of the media?
I think like outside of Fox News most of the media does lean pretty liberal for sure
Fox News is definitely not but mainstream media like NBC CB
CBS
CNN MSNBC. Yeah, definitely more of a liberal lean
Fox's controlled opposition. Well, I'm just saying like yeah, I would say majority of them. That's what it is
For sure.
There's a good portion of people who do not agree with conservatives.
I think the problem is that, and this happens with both of the political parties, is that
a lot of times political parties get hijacked by crazy fringe issues that are super divisive.
Like the drag queens in school, for example, or Haitians eating cats and dogs.
What is this?
Right?
Like yeah cuz it sells yeah cuz it's dumb it gets dumb people involved and so they get real excited and mad about it
And so it works
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come back to our special coverage of the first and only vice-presidential debate
before election day it's crazy how they only do one debate last debate voters
will see before the general election it could change voters minds and the key
I feel like we shouldn't have debates anymore
over at his post to break down where the race we should get rid of them
take a look here the national you're placing with a boxing match major
national polls we keep a running average and right now Kamala Harris at
49% Trump at 46 a three-point lead in the
Nationally for Kamala Harris they all Donald this is the third election that Donald Trump has been the Republican nominee
How did the race look at this exact same point the last two times?
We'll take a let's see four years ago on this day in the poll average Joe Biden had a large lead
90 points over Donald Trump and of course Biden did go on to unseat Donald Trump
But that's right ago at this same point Hillary Clinton had a lead of does that three look familiar the exact same
three-point lead that Kamala Harris has in the poll average. So that means Trump's gonna win.
Did win the popular vote in 2016, but she lost. That's crazy. In the electoral college, in those
key swing states. So what do the swing states look like now? We've been talking about this core
group of seven battlegrounds. And again, what you're seeing here is a current average of all
the polls in those states. And the headline here obviously is extremely close. Look, the
widest margin you're gonna see here is three points for Harris in Michigan. That's a lot.
Look at North Carolina. You see Harris there leading. I say leading
It's one tenth of one point in the average right now one thing to keep in mind
We saw a big polling misses in the Midwest states in 2016 and 2020 both elections
This is garbage made of the polls do you guys think it's rigged keep that in mind
Michigan Pennsylvania, Wisconsin as we see numbers there this fall has that problem been solved does it persist?
I'm actually if you know what I'm showing you the state of play right now. This is not a prediction
Never mind break exactly like this. I'll actually never mind these states were to go exactly as they look right now
Let me show you what it would do to that was gonna do a poll, but I decided not to in gray
If we fill them in based on the current polling average, this is what you would get that would give he care as
292 that would be enough for the presidency
But remember we just showed you North Carolina one tenth of one point just by getting that if Trump could get that
He'd be at 262. He'd be one Midwest state away from the presidency
So that's how close it is when you start to look at those battleground averages right now in terms of tonight
Possible implications for the vote in November in this vice presidential debate
Let's take a look at the image of each one of these candidates coming to the
favorable unfavorable
Tim Walls 40 that's because he fucked this sofa negative
He has seven points of that's bad J.D. Vance on the other hand. He should not have done that
45 unfavorable 13 points nobody like that
perspective on that if you went back 10 presidential elections takes us all the
way back to 1988 only one major party vice president has been further
under war real bad evans is right now that was Dan quail in 1992 when he was
running for reelection with Bush senior and of course that ticket they lost to
loose yeah all right see if thank you so much Bill Clinton on that one talking
to a group of voters in the city of Pittsburgh in the critical Commonwealth of
Pennsylvania. Kate. Yeah, it is. She chose the back. Thank you, Lester. I've got six
voters here with everybody knows that yourselves as somewhat moderate, somewhat in
the center, some more than others. I want to start with Rona and Merrill. We've had
a lot of news today about Israel and about the attack by Iran. Both of you said you
are motivated. You're Jewish, you're Democrats, both of you registered Democrats, but you're
seeing this very differently. Rona, tell me why you're thinking about possibly voting
for Donald Trump. Today is not a good day to ask me that I guess because today I mean I'm really
thankful right largest barrage of ballistic missiles ever shot at a country in history.
That's a lot. The US ported Israel and shot down missiles along with Jordan in Israel and so
I'm I'm so incredibly thankful for that and I'm a big Biden fan today. Are you still are you
still thinking you might vote Republican? I am still undecided yes absolutely because I yeah I
think every day right now is so utterly critical and watching how this continues to unfold.
And what about you now? And for me, today just verified what I've already felt, that
the Biden-Harris administration has been very pro-Israel. Today was really an existential
threat for the state of Israel once again. And the United States and the Biden administration,
along with Vice President Harris, really stepped up. And I was, you're definitely voting
Harris going into tonight's debate. Yes. Let me try to declare, and Brian, both
Both of you voted for Trump in 2016, then went away from Trump in 2020, and now you're
considering former President Trump again, even though I think you said you don't really
like J.D.
Vance very much.
I really don't like you or any of them very much.
I'm looking at something different.
I want something different.
I'm not really sure where we're going to end up.
So maybe tonight you hear something, which is you?
Maybe if tonight I hear something,
it might make up my mind.
I'm still kind of up in the air, but.
Claire, you said to me that you're a little worried
if you vote for Trump, you wouldn't be able to.
You'd have to lie to your friends.
Damn.
I mean, I think it's hard to vote for anyone.
The keyboard killers, no matter which way,
I mean, you vote in this town democratically
and someone's like, you vote for this mayor
and then you see something entirely
and they say, well, you voted for that president,
no matter which side you're on.
Brendan, you said that your community,
which I think is predominantly black community,
is more divided right now, more at odds
than you've seen it in an election.
So it just seems like there is no real middle ground.
Everything is radicalized.
Everything is extreme, kind of like what she was saying.
But more so from my community being young
and African-American, it seems like a lot of people
coming to the to the topic of politics late and they they're missing nuance so
with their hearing right now is stirring a lot of passion like about the horse
come another and John yeah real quick one word what do you need to hear tonight
I guess it's just seeing one word it's gonna support Kamala Harris and I'm
pretty much decided J.D. Vance and Trump are a danger to our democracy
Thank you all so much. I'll send it back to you guys last year.
All right, Kate. Thanks very much. We'll take a break next.
We're just minutes away from tonight's vice president.
That's a lot of horse come guys.
One word. You think it's a soy boy?
Oh, shit. Really?
Feel bad for Americans.
I want to let you guys know that this is the most presidential election
that we're going to have in the distant future like in 2028 we're going to look back at this
and think to ourselves I remember when people had decorum and people were composed like I'm
telling you guys like it's going to be crazy next time like it like I think that we're
about three or four off I'm just replacing the debate with a boxing match you know like
Let's just go all the way man.
I feel Mrs. GW, yeah, George Bush.
There's a good example, yep.
Do you think the next president's a Twitch streamer?
That'd be funny, but I don't think so.
Now we'll have Vivek.
You think so?
Maybe.
Logan Paul versus the Hop to a Girl?
That's a good one.
That sounds like a really great ticket.
Man, do I actually think that Mr. Beast
could be president?
Yeah, 100% easily.
Yeah, why not?
Sure. I mean, we had plenty of dumb people be present. Like, I don't even think Mr.
Bees is dumb. 120 new sexual assault allegations. That's great. 120 sexual assault. Like, just
so you guys keep in mind, like Bill Cosby only had like 40. That's 120. And that's
That's a hundred. You think about that. That's a hundred and twenty new ones. That's not counting.
You know, ain't no party like a diddy party. I guess so. I know a hundred and twenty people
probably disagree with that though. Seems that way. Didn't they say a hundred and twenty
more? Yeah. Yeah. These are a hundred and twenty. These are a hundred and twenty new
ones. News lifts. It's kind of crazy how, uh, how crazy that guy must have been
That's nuts. Who would you vote for? I'd be the last candidate that I like. I like Ron Paul.
That was the last one that I liked. I do like Obama. Yeah, I like Obama. The first time around.
It's going to be the last debate period. It's going to be the last election we have.
matter already. Oh yeah you guys you know that is true you know these spin
rooms are where the candidates come with their surrogates right after the debate
to argue they won the debate. I want to show you a live camera right now with this
spin room because it's unlike any we've seen before because of its size it's
only about 3,000 to 4,000 square feet it's gonna be filled with reporters and
surrogates there's gonna be a crush of people here after the debate
including at least one of the candidates who is debating tonight so
this could be chaotic it could be exciting it could be fun it could
be wild we'll have no idea until after the debate I will tell you this much it
reminds me of my younger days when you go to house parties here in Manhattan
inside studio apartments and there was way more people that there was room nonetheless
will be memorable and we're gonna look for all that excitement right after the
debate what we learned a lot about you talk about that's true yeah
You know why that's course but it tell you
Guys
Well, I've just heard from those with governor walls
They say vice president Harris put in a phone call to him to wish him good luck
You'd heard about some nerves before all of this now. They're saying he's energized and he's ready
Goals for governor walls today is to be able to talk about Kamala Harris and what she could bring to the country and to try to tie
JD wall JD Vance to the project 2025. Oh God, not that again. You're going to throw up project 2025 again?
Holy fuck. Expect that Vance will try to get under the skin of Governor Walls and he's going to try to
focus on reaching voters who have not yet made up their minds and they also expect that
that Governor Walls will have to answer for some of the things that have been a frequent
Target of JD Vance like questions about his military record and I'm time when Governor Wall said that he had been in combat when he was in
a foreign country working on behalf of the
Afghanistan operation, but not in Afghanistan
That he'll have to answer for he lion
Is in some ways about his 24 years in the National Guard and saying that is longer than anything that JD Vance has done in his
professional life and that they think that is not an argument that Vance can
win. So, Tom and I, you're going to see Governor Wall's trying to be that
affable coach, teacher, dad, and to try to relate to those in the middle of the
country who also enjoy plaid as I know you have noted Savannah.
Alright Kelly, thank you. Let's bring back Garrett Hake in the spin room. He's
covering the Trump-Vance campaign. What are your thoughts here as we head
down to the final minutes? At the end of the day, Lester, this is still
all about the people at the top of the ticket that's something that wasn't lost today in Trump
world Donald Trump did something okay we got a poll here we're going to take a look and see what
people think we got two candidates here just one time got a horse come walls versus couch
bunker vans versus Harris and I think that'll be something that's forefront on the mind of JD
Vance no you don't get to you know you don't get a third option Garrett let's bring back
Kristen Walker, Halle Jackson and Peter Alexander is joining the conversation.
Peter, I mean, based on everything we've talked about in the last hour,
he was like, in a way, Tim Walls, the work for him is on substance.
He's got a lot of Vance fans here.
He stands for defending press positions as governor of Minnesota.
A lot of couch smokers.
And for me, Vance, it's about style.
It's about likability.
About some of that work.
Whole lot of couch smokers.
Let's go.
That seems like where the work is.
Yeah, I think you guys are right.
We've made a lot of these points at this point.
One of the points that I would just add to this conversation is,
remember how this whole campaign started, where age was the big issue?
Joe Biden turned 86 at the end of a second term. Right now, Donald Trump is 78 years old. His age
means there's a little bit unique attention being focused on JD Vance right now. He's 40.
We're going to see Tim Walts, who is 60 years old today. The last time there was a big age
discrepancy like this, 1988. Lloyd Benson and Dan Quell, who was 41 a year older. Of course, then
JD Vance is when he's up there on stage. And Vance has been senator for two years.
That was one of the rare moments where a line broke through. You know, I knew
John F. Kennedy or no John F. Kennedy. These moments rarely break through. Is there a viral
moment like that that sort of defines this night or is it a wash ultimately with the last
part to go?
By the find out.
I asked this question with three minutes to go. Did these debates matter? Is the vice
presidential debate matter in the big picture?
They can matter. Think about back in 2012 when Joe Biden beat the shit out of Paul
Ryan.
I remember that.
I remember that.
And really helped to reset the campaign.
May him look like a clown.
and Obama stumbled in his first.
Biden used to be a G.
So yes, they can matter.
Again, I think this takes on outsized media
because of the fact that there's no second presidential debate.
One more point in listening to those voters
that Kate was talking to.
Well, he used to be awake.
Yeah, bro, he was awake.
He was dialed the fucking.
That word change.
Right now, Vice President Biden.
Yeah, that was a real dark, dark, dark branded.
By nine points, I think.
Time up falling off.
Yeah.
Well, change is interesting because she's an incumbent.
But so is former President Trump.
right so it's interesting to see that and people say they like to say
conventional wisdom these vice presidential debates don't matter and
maybe they didn't when elections weren't decided there was two debates that
changed the candidate that's true i come back to something that you have
said from the jumps savannah through this election cycle which is
this one we were a dark branding came from hard for us to predict especially
with the race it's like three layers of no next debate for the
presidential candidates remember what this race is going to come down to
those six critical battlegrounds the economy and immigration we have seen that consistently in the polling
expect to hear those both of those issues hammered big time on stage tonight and worth noting also
this is the first presidential election since roe was overturned i think that's going to be an x factor
mics will be on tonight as it can make a huge difference in terms of expectations based on
thanks fucking god yes and presidential debate one of the mics to be on through out let's see
some shit talking throughout cbs can turn them off as necessary but it's that
back and forth thank god and hear those snide comments perhaps by either side
of the show hands who thinks there will be another debate between Trump and
Harris listen to you at this show okay we're journalists there we go
answer well it is the hour now 9 p.m. here in New York City we are just
seconds away from tonight's only vice presidential debate between our
Republican Senator J.D. Vance and Minnesota Democratic Governor Tim Walsh.
That's right it is also potentially if you haven't noticed possibly the last
debate we will see before Election Day. Election Day now just 35 days away five
weeks. That's actually crazy. Wow, that's cute. What people will be looking at. I didn't even realize that.
We will have in-depth analysis once the debate concludes here on NBC but
tonight's event is hosted by CBS News in their studio in New York just a
few blocks from here yeah and as the last debate was between the running
mates Donald Trump and Kamala Harris there's no audience in there tonight so
each can already started minutes for their answers and then they already
started reading it moderators have said Lester there will be some checking but
they're really counting on the candidates to fact check each other I don't
want them to do fact check please don't back check not be muted but the
network says they reserve the right to mute the candidates so that'll be
interesting process please do not back presidential debate about to be on
Let's go to CBS. All right. Here we go. Let's get it here in the heart of Manhattan and watch this debate
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that's over for Vance.
Damn.
Can they hit each other?
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The stage is set.
Senator, thank you for joining us.
Let's get started.
All right, here we go.
My country is facing several unfolding crises.
The Middle East is on the brink of war.
Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact
of Hurricane Helene.
And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers
from Maine to Texas are picketing.
We're gonna begin tonight with the Middle East.
Margaret, thank you, Nora.
Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet
on Israel, but that attack failed.
thanks to joint u.s and israeli defensive action
thank god has deployed more than forty thousand u.s military personnel and
assets to that region
over the past year to try to prevent a regional war
iran is weakened
but the u.s still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the
world and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a
nuclear weapon it is down now
to one or two weeks time.
Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the situation room, would you support or
oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran in two minutes?
Damn, damn.
Thank you for those joining in home tonight.
Let's keep in mind where this started.
October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis in 10 years.
They did.
That was bad.
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental, getting its hostages
back fundamental and ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the
United States to have the steady leadership there.
You saw it, experienced today, where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition
able to stop the incoming attack.
But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.
It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80-year-old
Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.
But it's not just that.
It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when
the world is this dangerous.
His chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd
ever met.
both of his secretary's defense and his national security advisors said he should be nowhere
near the White House. Now the person closest to them, to Donald Trump said he's unfit for
the highest office. That was Senator Vance. What we've seen out of Vice President Harris
is we've seen steady leadership. We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to
draw on the coalitions to bring them together. Understanding that our allies
We're going to blow up Iran or not.
Our ally, C, Donald Trump turned towards Vladimir Putin,
turned towards North Korea.
When we start to see that type of thickness
around holding the coalitions together,
we will stay committed.
And as the vice president said today is,
we will protect our forces and our allied forces,
and there will be consequences.
Ooh.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator Vance, the same question.
All right, let's see you.
Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike
by Israel on Iran. You have two minutes. So Morgan, I want to answer the question. First of
all, thanks, Governor. Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate. And thanks most importantly to the
American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay
attention to this vice president. You're welcome. I want to answer the question,
but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit because I recognize a
lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are. That's right. I was raised in a
working class family. My mother required food assistance for periods of her life. My grandmother
required Social Security help to raise me and she raised me in part because my mother struggled with
addiction for a big chunk of my early life. I went to college on the GI Bill after I listed in the
Marine Corps and served in Iraq and so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary
gratitude for this country for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams
and most importantly I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world
and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable. That's true. I'm gonna try to
to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White
House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to
be attainable once again.
Now answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walts
just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered
stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence. People
were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran, which launched this attack, has received
over a hundred billion dollars in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
What do they use that money for? They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching
against our allies and God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well.
Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership
would put stability and peace back in the world. Do we blow up a lot? It's about a preemptive
strike Margaret and I want to answer the question look it is up to Israel what
they think they need to do to keep their country safe and we should support our
allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys I think that's
the right approach to take with the Israel question the bad guys thank you
senator governor balls do you care to respond to any of the allegation well
look Trump was in office will sometimes hear a revisionist history but
when Donald Trump was in office it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of
nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in the inability to advance it. Donald Trump
pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. So Iran is closer to a nuclear
weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. And when Iran shot
down an American aircraft in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted because that's
the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. And when Iranian-
That was the one in Kapslock, wasn't it?
near US troops and they received traumatic brain injuries. Donald Trump wrote it off
as headaches. Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He will go to
whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. Steady leadership like
you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April. Both Iranian attacks were repelled.
Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.
Mr. Vance, the US did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its
nuclear program, and President Trump did exit that deal.
He recently said just five days ago, the US must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran
because the consequences are impossible.
Did he make a mistake?
You have one minute.
Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something
that Governor Walts just said is quite extraordinary.
You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
And Governor Walts, you blame Donald Trump.
Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?
And the answer is you're running me, not mine.
Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
Now we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and
you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walts bringing up.
But when did I ran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
It was here a pink tie on Kamala Harris.
So Governor Walts can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective smart diplomacy and peace
through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
Donald Trump has already done it once before.
Ask yourself at home when, when was the last time I'm 40 years old was the last
time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout.
The only answer is during the four years of Donald Trump's president.
Damn.
Gentlemen, we had a lot to get to.
Uh-oh.
Margaret, thank you.
Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene.
The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.
The bomb to Hurricane.
More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.
Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly
because of the historic rainfall.
Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling,
seven in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans
under the age of 45 favor the US taking steps
to try and reduce climate change.
Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration
have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?
I'll give you two minutes.
Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane
because it's an unbelievable,
unspeakable human tragedy.
I just saw today, actually,
photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child and it was
the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those
innocent people lost their lives and I'm sure Governor Walsh joins me in saying
our hearts go out to those innocent people our prayers go out to them and
we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save
as many lives as possible and then of course afterwards to help the people
in those communities rebuild. I mean these are communities that I love
some of them I know very personally in Appalachia all across the southeast
they need their government to do their job.
And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again,
the government will put the citizens of this country first
when they suffer from a disaster.
Nor are you asked about climate change.
I think this is a very important issue.
Look, a lot of people are just fiably worried
about all these crazy weather patterns.
I think it's important for us, first of all, to say,
Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
But one of the things that I've noticed
some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about
is is a concern about carbon emissions this idea that carbon emissions drives
all the climate change
let's just say that's true just for the sake of arguments that we're not
arguing about weird science let's just say that's true. There's some mistakes that create a hypothetical.
What if you believe that? What would you want to do?
The answer is that you'd want to reach for more than ever and understand
hypotheticals.
And you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the united
states of america
because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
more energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas,
more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts
of the entire world.
And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions
they're doing per unit of economic output.
So if we actually care about getting cleaner air
and cleaner water, the best thing to do
is to double down and invest in American workers
and the American people.
And unfortunately, Kamala Harris
has done exactly the opposite.
Governor Wallace, you have two minutes to respond.
Well, we got close to an agreement,
because all those things are happening.
Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy
with this hurricane, and my heart goes out
to the folks that are down there
in contact with the governors.
I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors
as we work together on these emergency
management governors, no, no partisanship.
They work together to solve the governors
and the emergency responders on the ground.
Those happen on the front end.
The federal government comes in,
make sure they're there to that we recover,
but we're still in that phase
where we need to make sure that they're staying there,
staying focused.
Now look, coming back to the climate changes,
there's no doubt this thing broad onto the scene,
faster and stronger than anything we've seen.
Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem
in the past.
Donald Trump called it a hoax
and then joked that these things would make more
beachfront property to be able to invest in.
What we've seen out of the Harris administration
is we've seen this investment.
That's what he's gonna try and do.
That's the massive investments,
the biggest in global history
that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act
has created jobs all across the country,
2000 in Jeffersonville, Ohio,
taking the EV technology that we invented
and making it here, 200,000 jobs across the country,
the largest solar manufacturing plant
in North America sets in Minnesota.
But my farmers know climate change is real.
They've seen 500 year droughts,
500 year floods back to back.
So what they're doing is adapting
and this has allowed them to tell me,
look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean,
and I harvest wind.
We're producing more natural gas and more oil at any time we ever had.
We're also producing more clean energy.
So the solution for us is to continue to move forward, that climate change is real.
Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.
You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across
the country.
That's a good point he's making.
That's exactly what this administration has done.
We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.
And that's what absolutely makes sense.
And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters.
Thank you.
Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there.
The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax.
Do you agree?
Well, look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, and in particular
Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious,
what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United
States of America.
And that's not what they're doing.
clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe in us if she did she would
actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies now so there's something
Governor Walts said I think it's important to touch upon because when we
talk about clean energy I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will
use here I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real
issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of
dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China
Number one, you're gonna make the economy dirtier. We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America
Some of them are Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China
Especially the components that go into the solar panels
So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production
We've had built a nuclear facility. I think one in the past 40 years
Natural gas we got to invest more in it. This guy's poking. I think Vance is doing great
also meant that we're doing I do governor would you like to respond well
look we're producing more natural gas we ever have there's no more to our aim on
that we're going to know and my like I said again these are not liberal folks
these are not folks that are green new deal folks these are farmers that have
been drought one year massive flooding the next year they understand that it
makes sense look our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from
in these massive storms.
We saw it in Minnesota this summer.
And thinking about how do we respond to that,
we're thinking ahead on this.
And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota,
we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.
The infrastructure law that was passed
allows us to think about mitigation in the future.
How do we make sure that we're protecting
by burying our power lines?
How do we make sure that we're protecting
lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?
But to call it a hoax,
and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago
say, give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want. We can be smarter
about that. And in all above energy policies, exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs
right here.
Governor, your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's
climate is warming at an unprecedented rate. Margaret, thank you, Nora. We're going
to turn now to immigration. The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently
ranks.
This is the cats and dogs, guys.
American voters. Remember? Senator Vance, your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass
deportation plan in American history, and to use the U.S. military to do so. Could you be more
specific about exactly how this will work? For example, would you deport parents who have entered
the U.S. illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on U.S. soil?
That's a good question. You have two minutes. Great question. Before we talk about deportations,
we have to stop the bleeding.
We have a historic immigration crisis
because Kamala Harris started and said
that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.
94 executive orders suspending deportations,
decriminalizing illegal aliens,
massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.
That has opened the floodgates.
And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl
is coming into our country.
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction
and has gotten clean.
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance
because Kamala Harris led in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. So you've got to
stop the bleeding. You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall,
reimplement deportations, all right to your point, Margaret about what we actually do.
So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do?
That's a lot. The first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants.
about a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing
the border illegally. I think you start with deportations on those folks. And then I think
it would make sense for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. A lot of people
will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country. And by the way,
that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good
day's work. And the final point, Margaret, as you asked about family separation right now
in this country market, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has
effectively lost. Some of them have been sex trafficked. Some of them hopefully are at homes
with their families. Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules. The real family
separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border.
And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember when she came into office, she said she was
going to do this. Real leadership would be saying, you know what, I screwed up. We're
going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies. I wish that she would do that.
It would be good for all of us. Governor, do you care to respond to any of the specific
allegations, including that the vice president is quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids
as drug mules among other things? Yeah, well, the drug mules, not true. But I will
say about this about the fentanyl because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.
And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid
deaths in our nation's history, 30% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do.
But let's go back to this on immigration.
Kamala Harris is the attorney general of the largest state and the border state in
California.
She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking
and drug interventions.
But look, we all want to solve this.
Most of us want to solve this.
And that is the United States Congress.
That's the border patrol agents.
the Chamber of Commerce. That's most Americans out here. That's why we had the
fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation see. It was
crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Langford. I know he's
super conservative, but he's a man of principle once you get it done. Democrats
and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation. But border patrols said this
is what we need in here. These are the experts. And the Chamber of Commerce
in the Wall Street Journal said, pass this thing. Comley Harris helped get
there. 1500 new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money to speed up these, uh, the
adjudications on this, just what America wants. But as soon as I was getting ready to pass
and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said, no, told them to vote against it because it
gives him a campaign issue. It gives them what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually
did some of these things and they need to be done. The crowd size. You can't
just do this through the executive branch. So look, we have the options to do this. Yeah,
Trump had four years. He had four years to do this. And he promised you America how easy
it would be. I'll build you a big, beautiful wall and Mexico will pay for it. Less than
2% of that wall got built and Mexico didn't pay a dime. But here we are again, nine
years after he came down that escalator, dehumanizing people and telling him what
was going to do. As far as the deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it
was so unworkable to be laughable. So that's where we're at. Pass the bill, she'll sign
it.
Governor, your time is up. Senator, the question was, will you separate parents from their
children even if their kids are U.S. citizens? You have one minute.
Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala
Harris's open border. I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know
that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald
Trump's border policy.
She did exactly that.
We had a record number of illegal crossings.
We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that
that somehow she got religion and cared a lot
about a piece of legislation.
The only thing that she did
when she became the vice president,
when she became the appointed borders are,
was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions
that opened the border.
This problem is leading to massive problems
in the United States of America.
Parents who can't afford health care,
schools that are overwhelmed,
it's got to stop and it will
when Donald Trump is president again.
Senator, your time is up.
Governor, what about our CBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans,
more than 50%, support mass deportations.
Look, that's a lot.
Fix this issue with a bill that denies to show.
But the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it.
You demonize it.
And we saw this and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about
and saying, I will create stories to bring attention to this.
That vilified a large number of people who were here.
This is a good point.
the community of Springfield. The Republican government said it's not true, don't do it.
There's consequences for this. We could come together. Senator Langford did it. We could
come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue.
And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement
to escort kindergartners to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but
But by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes
a talking point.
And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human
beings.
Tim.
Governor, your time is up, Senator.
I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.
The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that
Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.
So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this.
Do you disagree that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many
of the changes that you would actually want to implement?
You have one minute.
Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border
is just empowering law enforcement to do their job.
I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.
Kamala Harris has been.
And it's actually heartbreaking because the Border Patrol agents, they just want
them be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help.
But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our
law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've
got to stay in Mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels. Now,
Governor Walts broke brought up the community of Springfield, and he's
very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. Look,
their cats and dogs and in communities all across this country. You've
got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals that are
overwhelmed you have got housing because we brought in millions of illegal
immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes the people that I'm most
worried about in Springfield Ohio are the American citizens who have had their
lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border it is a disgrace Tim and I
actually think I agree with you I think you want to solve this problem but I
don't think the Kamala Harris does. Senator your time is up governor you
have one minute to respond. Yeah, well, it is law enforcement that asked for the
bill. They helped craft it. They're the ones that supported it. It was that's
because they know we need to do this. Look, this issue of continuing to bring
this up of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything on
housing. You could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying
up housing and make less affordable. True becomes a blame. Look, this
bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. I agree. It should not take seven years from a
silent claim to be done. This bill gets it done in 90 days. Then you start to make a difference in
this and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles. I don't talk about my faith
a lot, but Matthew 2540 talks about to the least amongst us you do unto me. I think that's true
of most Americans. Well, they're not us want order to it. That's a problem. It's funded.
it's supported by the people who do it and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.
Thank you Governor and just to clarify for our viewers Springfield, Ohio does have a large number
of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status. Well thank you
Senator we have so much to get to. I think it's important because the rules were that you
got to get a fact check and since you're fact checking me I think it's important to say what's
actually going on so there's an application they tried where you can go
on as an illegal migrant apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted
legal status the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand that is not a person
coming in applying for a green card and waiting for ten years
that is the facilitation of a legal immigration Margaret by our own
Senator for describing the legal process.
We have so much to get to, Senator.
Those laws have been in the book since 1990.
Thank you, gentlemen.
The CBU app has not been on the books.
It's since 1990.
It's something that's called, there was created, Margaret.
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you
because your mics are high.
Yeah, they can.
We have so much we want to get to.
Thank you for explaining the legal process.
Yeah, they can.
Nora, thank you, Margaret.
The economy is a top concern for voters.
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan,
so let's talk about the specifics.
Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan
that includes billions in tax credits
for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.
The Wharton School says your proposals
will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.
How would you pay for that
without ballooning the deficit?
Governor, I'll give you two minutes.
Yeah, thank you.
And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class
because that's where we come from.
We both grew up in that, we understand.
So those of you out there listening tonight,
you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth
and it's good, it's healthy.
That's what this is supposed to happen.
You should be listening, house is gonna impact me.
The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there
is one is talking about this housing issue.
The one thing is there's three million new houses
proposed under this plan
with down payment assistance on the front end
to get you in a house.
A house is much more than just an asset
to be traded somewhere.
It's foundational to where you're at.
and then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs
or other things, that there's fairness in that. Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing,
but it costs $5 to make insulin. They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.
As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota, 12% more houses in Minneapolis,
prices went down on rent, 4%. It's working. And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle
class. $6,000 child tax credit. We have one in Minnesota reduces child poverty by a third.
We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families and then getting businesses
off the ground. The laws that stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business,
increasing that to $50,000. Now, this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald
Trump made a promise and I'll give you this. He kept it. He took folks from Mar-a-Lago,
said, you're rich as hell, I'm gonna give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts
that predominantly went to the top cast. What happened there was an eight trillion dollar
increase in the national debt, the largest ever. Now he's proposing a 20% consumption
or sales tax on everything we bring in. Everyone agrees, including businesses, that would be
destabilizing it. It would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look,
this is simple for you. Where are we going? Kamala Harris has said to do the things
she wants to do. We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. When
When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks
have the things that they need.
Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that.
But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it
would increase the nation's deficit by 5.8 trillion.
My question is the same for you.
How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walsh this evening, and
He just heard it in the answer a lot of what Kamala Harris proposed us to do and some of it
I'll be honest with you. It even sounds pretty good
Here's what you won't hear is that Kamala Harris has already done it because she's been the vice president for three and a half years
She had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies
Which yeah, that's a good one instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%
Drive the housing higher by about 60%
percent. Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for
a large number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle
class problems, then she ought to do them now. Not one asking for promotion, but in
the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago. And the fact that
she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.
Now Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. A
A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans,
and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense,
and they don't have wisdom.
Because Donald Trump's economic policies
did deliver to the highest take-home pay
in a generation in this country 1.5% inflation
and it's brewed peace and security all over the world.
So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan
doesn't make sense, I say look at the record.
He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.
Now Tim admirably admits that they
want to undo the Trump tax cuts but if you look at what was so different about
Donald Trump's tax cuts even from previous Republican tax cut plans is
that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home pay to middle
class and working class Americans it was passed in 2017 and you saw an
American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country
that is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're gonna get back to
that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American
dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling. I know a lot of you are
worried about paying the bills. It's gonna stop when Donald Trump brings back
common sense to this country. Governor, do you want to respond to that? What has
come here has done for the middle? Yeah, well, Connell Harris's day one was
Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. We
were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10
million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.
9 million jobs closed on that. That was day one, whether it was the
infrastructure actor of the things we move now you you made a question about
experts said this I made a note of this economists don't know you have to be
trusted science can't be trusted a national security folks can't say
trusted look if you're going to be president you don't have all the
answers Donald Trump believes he does my pro tip of the day is this if you
need heart surgery listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester
Minnesota not Donald Trump and the same thing goes with this and I asked
you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever.
How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year?
And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax
10 to last 15 years.
The last year is president.
That's what's wrong with the system.
There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.
We're just asking for fairness in it,
and that's all you want.
You have an idea.
Governor, you say trust the experts.
But those same experts for 40 years
said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off
to China, we'd get cheaper goods.
They lied about that.
They said if we shipped our industrial base
off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere,
it would make the middle class stronger.
They were wrong about that.
They were wrong about the idea that if we made America
less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation,
that it would somehow make us better off
and they were wrong about it.
And for the first time in a generation,
Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say
to that bipartisan consensus,
we're not doing it anymore.
We're bringing American manufacturing back.
We're unleashing American energy.
We're gonna make more of our own stuff.
And this isn't just an economic issue.
I've got three beautiful little kids at home,
seven, four, and two, and I love them very much,
and I hope they're in bed right now.
But look, so many of the drugs,
the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies
of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us.
This has to stop, and we're not gonna stop it
by listening to experts.
We're gonna stop it by listening to common sense wisdom,
which is what Donald Trump governed on.
No.
Senator, I'm gonna ask, can you address that?
I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy more.
Right.
If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts,
you heard what the numbers were.
Look, I'm a union guy on this.
I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas.
But I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn.
We need to have fair trading partners.
That's something that we believe in.
I think the thing that most concerns me on this
is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade
deficit in American history with China.
So the rhetoric is good.
Much of what the senator said right there,
I'm gonna agree with him on this.
I watched it happen too.
I watched it to my communities and we talked about that.
But we had people undercutting the right
to collectively bargain.
We had right to work states made it more difficult.
We had companies that were willing to ship it over
and we saw people profit.
Folks that are venture capital in some cases,
putting money into companies that were overseas.
We're in agreement that we bring those home.
The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.
Kamala Harris has a record.
250,000 more manufacturing jobs just in out of the IRA.
I'm going to respond right away.
So I appreciate that.
So if you notice what Governor Walts just did is he said,
first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up,
he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good
of a job as the six-show that he did.
So what Tim Walts is doing, and I honestly, Tim,
I think you got a tough job here
because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't
delivered rising take home pay, which you've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver
lower inflation, which of course he did. And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala
Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas groceries and housing unaffordable
for American citizens. I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical
debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. I know what it's
like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. We can do so
much better. To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.
We just got to get back to common sense economic principles. I hope we have a conversation on
healthcare then. Senator, Governor, please. Thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get to ahead,
gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.
The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential
decisions. We want to ask you about your leadership qualities. Governor Walls, you said you were
in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989. But Minnesota
Public Radio reports are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August
of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Yeah, it didn't happen folks out there didn't get at the top of this. Look I I grew up in small rural
Nebraska
Town of 400 town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the street lights come on and I'm proud of that service
I joined the National Guard at 17 worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher
Passion about it a young teacher
My first year out. I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China 35 years ago
be able to do that. I came back home and then started a program to take young
people there. We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we
would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China. The issue for that
was was to try and learn. Now look, my community knows who I am. They saw where
I was at. They, look, I will be the first to tell you. I have poured my
heart into my community. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been
perfect and I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.
Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years and in Congress
Sorry, so he motioned it?
Working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota
were able to elect me to governor twice.
Huh?
So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people, to make sure that I get this right.
I will say more than anything. Many times I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric.
But being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.
I hear the critiques of this. I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.
So this is about trying to understand the world. It's about trying to do the best you can for your community.
And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.
my commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being
a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think
are the values that people care about. Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was,
can you explain the discrepancy? All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and
misspoke on this, so I will just, yeah, that's what I've said. So it was in China
during the democracy protests went in.
And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be
in governance.
Thank you, Governor.
Senator Vance, in 2016,
you were running mate Donald Trump,
unfit for the nation's highest office.
And you said he could be America's Hitler.
And you've said, he asked many times,
and you've said you regret those comments
and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
But the Washington Post reported
new messages last week in which you also
disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president,
writing to someone in 2020, quote,
Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
Here now is running, mate.
And you've shifted many of your policy
stances to align with his.
If you become vice president, why should Americans
trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs
to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?
you up two minutes.
Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.
And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president,
but I've also been extremely open about the fact
that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
I was wrong, first of all, because I
believed some of the media stories that turned out
to be dishonest fabrications of his record.
But most importantly, Donald Trump
delivered for the American people, rising wages,
rising take-home pay, an economy that
worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border,
a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think
he'd be able to deliver on.
And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak,
when you get something wrong and you change your mind,
you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
It's one of the reasons, Margaret,
why I've done so many interviews,
is because I think it's important
to actually explain to the American people
where I come down on the issues and what change.
And you pointed out some messages from 2020.
Margaret, I've been extremely consistent,
but I think there were a lot of things
that we could have done better
in the Trump administration the first round
if Congress was doing its job.
I strongly believe that I'm the United States Senator,
that Congress is not just a high-class debating society.
It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen
to whine about problems.
It's a forum to govern.
So there were a lot of things on the border,
on tariffs, for example, where I think
that we could have done so much more
if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress
had been a little bit better about how they
governed the country.
They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump
they couldn't actually govern.
And I want to talk about this tariff issue,
in particular, Margaret, because Tim just
accuse this of being a national sales tax.
Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised
to hear me praising Joe Biden,
but the one thing that Joe Biden did
is he continued some of the Trump tariffs
that protected American manufacturing jobs.
And it's the one issue,
the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration,
it's the one issue where Kamala Harris
has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Think about this, if you're trying to employ
slave laborers in China at $3 a day,
You're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle class Americans a fair wage.
Senator, your time is up. Nora. Oh, shit. Now to the issue of reproductive rights. After Roe versus Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.
Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote,
in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
Yes or no?
Is that what you support?
I'll give you two minutes.
That's not what the bill says, but look, this issue is what's on everyone's mind.
Donald Trump put this all into motion.
He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe
versus Wade, 52 years of personal autonomy.
And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.
It's a beautiful thing.
Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on it.
It's a beautiful thing.
A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks.
She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
She needs to go in.
The medical care at that point
needs to be decided by the doctor.
And that would have been an abortion.
But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.
She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies,
and now she may have difficulty having children.
I agree with some health on this, by the way.
Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child,
raped and impregnated by her stepfather.
Those are horrific.
Now, when God asked about that,
Senator Vance said, two wrongs don't make a right.
There is no right in this.
So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.
We made sure that we put women
in charge of their health care.
But look, this is not where,
if you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will.
Their project 2025 is gonna have a registry of pregnancies.
It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible,
to get contraception and limit access,
if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.
For so many of the other lists that are included,
infertility treatments are why I have a child.
That's nobody else's business,
but those things are being proposed.
And the catch-all on this is,
is well, the states will decide
what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.
That's not how this works.
This is basic human rights.
We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas,
outpacing many other countries in the world.
That's bad.
This is about healthcare.
In Minnesota, we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason.
We trust women, we trust doctors.
Senator, do you want to respond to the other?
That's a great answer.
Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?
No, no, certainly we won't.
And I want to talk about this issue,
because I know a lot of Americans care about it.
I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything
that I've ever said on this topic.
And I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood
where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned
pregnancies and decided to terminate their pregnancies
because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
And one of them is actually very dear to me.
And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.
And she told me something a couple of years ago
that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion
that it would have destroyed her life
because she was in an abusive relationship.
And I think that what I take from that,
as a Republican who proudly wants to protect
innocent life in this country,
who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable,
is that my party, we've got to do so much better
of a job at earning the American people's trust back
on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
And I think that's one of the things
that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.
I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family
in the fullest sense of the word.
I want us to support fertility treatments.
I want us to make it easier for moms
to afford to have babies.
I want it to make it easier for young families
to afford a home so they can afford a place
to raise that family.
And I think there's so much that we
can do on the public policy front just to give women
more options.
Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear
that on the abortion policy specifically,
that we have a big country and it's diverse.
And California has a different viewpoint on this
than Georgia.
Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this, as messy
as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states
make their abortion policy.
And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's
be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.
Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about the situation?
Pretty good answer, honestly.
It's a pretty good answer.
The question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true
about Minnesota. Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states. There's
a young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. Because
of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. The fact of the matter is how can
we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your
own body is determined on geography. There's a very real chance that Amber Thurman lived
in Minnesota, she would be alive today. That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade. When
you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, can you hear me talk
about it? You hear us talking exactly the same. Donald Trump is trying to figure
out how to get the political right of this. I agree with a lot of what Senator
Vance said about what's happening. His running mate though does not and that's
the problem. Governor your time is up senator let me ask you about that. He
mentioned I think referring to a national ban. In the past you have
supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. In fact you said if
someone can't support legislation like that quote you are making the United
States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the
entire world. My question is, why have you changed your position? Well, Nora, first of
all, I never supported a national ban. I did during when I was running for Senate in
2022, talk about setting some minimum national standard. For example, we have a partial
birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level. I don't think
anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not. Though I know that
Democrats have taken a very radical pro abortion stance. But Nora, you know,
one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum
in 2023 and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. And I think
that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back
people's trust. So many young women would love to have family. So many young women also
see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy
their education.
You said people don't agree with me. So I gave up and we have got to earn people's
trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro family
policies, making childcare more accessible, making fertility
treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a
better job at that. And that's what real leadership is.
Governor, any response? I'm going to respond on the on the
pro-abortion piece of that. No, we're not. We're pro-women.
We're pro-freedom to make your own choice. We know what the
implications are to not be that. Women having miscarriages,
women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they
may be prosecuted for providing that care. And as far as
making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota is the state
to one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. We understand that too. We know that the options
need to be available and we make that true. We also make it, we're a top three state for
the best place to raise children. But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children
but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.
We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going and Kamala Harris
is making the case to make options for children more affordable at $6,000 child tax credit.
But we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive
600 miles to try and get health care.
Senator may respond to that.
First of all, governor, I agree with you.
Amber Thurman should still be alive.
And there are a lot of people who should still be alive.
And I certainly wish that she was.
And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me.
But as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into into into law, the statute
that you signed into law. It says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby
survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives
a botched late term abortion. That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion,
that is fundamentally barbaric. And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some
of what we've seen, do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions
against their will? Because Kamala Harris has supported suing Catholic nuns to violate
their freedom of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's
freedom of conscience and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family. But please,
yes, governor, please respond. Look, this is one of there's always something that this is a very
simple proposition. These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions
and the physicians who know best when they need to do this, trying to distort the way a law is
written to try and make a point. That's not it at all. What was I wrong about, governor?
Please tell me what was that? That's what I say
I've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved getting against that's been misreading it was fact
Oh shit
But the point on this is is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved
I use this line on this just mind your own business on this things work best when row versus Wade was in place
When we do a restoration of row that works best that doesn't preclude us from increasing
funding for children. It doesn't increase us from making sure that once
that child is born, like in Minnesota, they get meals. They get early childhood
education. They get health care. So the hiding behind we're going to do all
these other things. When you're not proposing them in your budget,
Kamala Harris is proposing them. She's proposing all those things to make
life easier for families. I asked a specific question, Governor. You
gave me a slogan as a response. It's not the case. It's not. That's not
what the law says. So, in fact, check it with President Trump.
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss. We have to move on. And we're going to be right with
much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment.
Man. Check it. I don't know. I'm sure they'll figure it out. That's a risky play for fans
to do that. I'm going to be honest. I think fans has been doing really well.
Yeah, I think he's I think he's ahead of of walls for sure
And it's actually correct. It's a crazy law. I don't know
Yeah, I think it's doing really well
Stream a lot I didn't expect this. Yeah, this is definitely better for him
There's a lot in calm. Yeah, it's him walls like I think that like his body language and the way he like acts
It probably makes people feel like he's kind of unstable. I think so
Vance is chilling knows he's right 3d1
This debate's way better than the first one. Yeah, I think so too. Honestly, this debate is...
I don't think they're gonna bring up the couch or the horse come. Yeah, this is surprisingly normal.
Yeah, it's almost boring. Why are they topping policy? Stop it? I know.
You see a surprise Trump appearance in a halftime show? Trump coming with a chair?
Oh shit from the Raptors you pull your chat not sure about statement 50% of
Americans are for mass deportation it's probably mass deportation is probably
defined in a way that doesn't sound like mass deportation I do think that a lot
of people are like they don't want to legalize here I actually feel like it's
a very common prospect most people probably don't want a bunch of
Legals here. Sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure like in my chat, like that's my opinion. And
so like, obviously in my chat, it's going to be pretty strong. But you know, for like
the general public, yeah, I think it's a majority opinion. He's wanting, I think, I think JD
Vance is coming out ahead. So far, I would say, even with the abortion thing, which
I kind of, I actually agree with Tim Wallace way more about the abortion perspective.
I do, I agree with him about being like on a federal level.
And I also agree with like letting women make the decision.
I do, I agree with that.
But, uh.
It was American as apple pie, it's iconic.
But Vance's responses, I think were pretty good.
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These guys have 10% better than the presidential candidates
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We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
The leading cause of death for children and teens in America
is by firearms.
Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation
that Democrats claim would curb gun violence.
You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s.
So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter
and sentenced to ten years in prison.
Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?
I'll give you two minutes.
Yeah, well, Laura, on that particular case, I don't know the full details,
But I certainly trust the local law enforcement or local authorities to make those decisions. Yeah, they made the right call
It's gonna be yes in some cases the answer is gonna be no and the details really matter here
Of course for example if the kid steals a gun that's gonna be different that if a parent hands over a gun
No, I don't kid is potentially dangerous good point
Look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids and our oldest is now in second grade
And like a lot of parents we send our kids to school with
and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
And of course, our hearts go out to the families affected by this terrible stuff.
And we do have to do better.
And I think that Governor Walts and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
The question is just, how do we actually do it?
Now here, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
the gross majority close to 90% and some of the statistics I've seen of the gun
violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms and
while we're on that topic we know that thanks to Kamala Harris is a good
point order we've seen a massive influx and the number of illegal guns run by
the Mexican drug cartels so that number and the amount of illegal guns in
our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago but
what do we do about the schools what do we do to protect our kids and I
I think the answer is, and I say this, not loving the answer,
because I don't want my kids to go to school
and in a school that feels unsafe
or where there are visible signs of security,
but I unfortunately think that we have to increase security
in our schools.
We have to make the doors lock better.
We have to make the doors stronger.
We've got to make the windows stronger.
And of course we've got to increase school resource
officers because the idea that we can magically wave
a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys,
It just doesn't fit with recent experience.
So we've got to make our schools safer.
And I think we've got to have some common sense,
bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
Governor, you have two minutes.
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight,
this is just your biggest nightmare.
Look, I got a 17 year old and he witnessed a shooting
at a community center playing volleyball.
Those things don't leave you.
As a member of Congress, I sat in my office
surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Oak parents.
And they were looking at my seven year old picture
on the wall, their seven-year-old were dead,
and they were asking us to do something.
And look, I'm a hunter.
I own firearms.
The vice president is.
We understand that the second amendment is there,
but our first responsibility is to our kids
to figure this out.
In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws,
enhanced background checks,
and we can start to get data.
But here's the problem.
If we really want to solve this,
we've got folks that won't allow research
to be even done on gun violence.
And this idea that we should just live with it,
and here's what I do think,
that this is a good start to the conversation.
I 100% believe that Senator Vance hates it when these kids,
it's a bore and it breaks your heart.
I agree with that.
But that's not far enough
when we know they're things that work.
I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools.
They don't have this happen,
even though they have a high gun ownership rate
in the country.
There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your second amendment and the idea to have some of these weapons
out there, it's just that wasn't just me.
Kamala Harris as an attorney general on this issue.
She knows that it's there.
No one's trying to scare monger and say, we're taking your guns, but I ask all
of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?
Is that, is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around
world that their children aren't practicing these types of pills. They're being kids. We owe it to
them to get a fix. These are things that shouldn't be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms
and we can make a difference. We have to. If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.
Senator. Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting. I'm sorry
about that and I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Christ have mercy. It is awful. And I
appreciate what Tim said actually about Finland because I do think it illustrates some of the
Frankly, we are differences between our own countries, gun violence problem and Finland
is okay.
First of all, we have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health substance abuse.
We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that
we need to get.
You see this on Twitter.
Because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem,
but I do think it's a big piece of it.
driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it
doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a
lot of our big cities. And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to
arrest the bad guys, put them away, I agree with gun offenders off the
streets. I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here. But I
do think at our schools, we've got to talk about more security.
Senator, thank you, Governor. You previously opposed an assault weapons
ban, but it's only later in your political career. Did you change
your position. Why? Yeah, I sat in that office with those
sandy old parents. I've become friends with school shooters.
I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.
They used to teach gun safety. I'm of an age where my shotgun was
in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.
That's not where we live today. He just misspoke. Several
things I want to mention on this. He just misspoke. Cities
and where it's at the number one, where the most firearm
deaths happen in Minnesota. It's a big fuck up. But it
and we have an epidemic of children getting guns
and shooting themselves.
And so we have, and we should look at all of the issues,
making sure folks have healthcare and all that,
but I wanna be very careful.
This idea of stigmatizing mental health,
just because you have a mental health issue
doesn't mean you're violent.
And I think what we end up doing
is we start looking for a scapegoat.
Sometimes it just is the guns.
It's just the guns.
And there are things that you can do about it.
But I do think that this is one,
And I think this is a healthy conversation.
I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this
that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children.
That's our priority.
Gentlemen, thank you, Margaret.
Thank you, Nora.
Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation,
the high cost of housing and rent.
Oh.
There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes
in the United States,
and that contributes to the high housing prices.
Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises
a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers and a $10,000 tax credit. They
also promise to build 3 million new homes. Where are you building these homes and won't
handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher?
No, it's not handing out. We have first, let me say this, this issue of housing. And
I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got
a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. It can be bought up, it can be shifted,
it can be moved around. Those are not folks living in those houses. Those of you listening
tonight, that house a big deal. I bought and owned one house in my life. My mom still
lives in the house where I was. And when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas
services after midnight mass, where you go with your family. You need to make it more
affordable. And one of the things, as I said, this program that the vice president
is up pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something
we're doing in Minnesota from that lead. We in the state invested in making sure
housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. It starts to
make it easier. We cut some of the red tape local folks look, we can't do at
the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes and then
that down payment assistance. I can tell all of you out there one of the
certainly for me using the GI bill was one thing, but a veteran's home
The big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment.
Those are things that make it there.
Now, look, you're going to pay it back.
I didn't even know that.
You're going to pay your mortgage.
Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational
wealth that's created from it.
And I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.
We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in, and we're
implementing a state program to make sure we get some of that down payment assistance.
get it back from people because here's what we know people with stable housing
end up with stable jobs people with stable housing have their kids able to be
able to get to school all of those things in the long run end up saving our
money and that's the thing that I think we should be able to find this is a good
point he's making here but we can't blame immigrants for the only reason
that's not the case it's happening in many cities the fact of the matter is
is that we don't have enough naturally affording affordable housing but we
We can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator Vance on the campaign's position.
The promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks
and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.
Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of
any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
You have two minutes.
Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.
We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices,
but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting
in millions of illegal aliens into this country,
which does drive up cost him.
25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans
for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers
of home prices in the country.
It's why they have massive increases in home prices
that have happened right alongside massive increases
illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now Tim just
mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now some of those ideas I actually think are
halfway decent and some of them I disagree with but the most important
thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer to politics. She is
the sitting vice president. If she wants to enact all of these policies to
make housing more affordable I invite her to use the office that the
American people already gave her not sit around and campaign and do nothing
while Americans find the American dream of home ownership completely
unaffordable. Now you asked Margaret what would immediately change the equation
for American citizens if you lower energy prices. As Donald Trump says drill
baby drill one of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal
immigration is think about it. If a truck driver is paying 40% more for
diesel then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is
also going to become a lot more expensive. If we open up American
energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens, not by the way just
in housing, but a whole host of other economic goods too.
Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.
Do you want to answer?
Can I have it?
Yeah.
Governor, we will get to you in a moment, but Senator, where are you going to seize
the federal lands?
Can you clarify?
Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't
being used for anything.
They're not being used for National Park.
They're not being used.
could be places where we build a lot of housing. And I do think that we should be opening up
building in this country. We have a lot of land that could be used. We have a lot of Americans
that need homes. We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes,
and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here.
Senator, your time is up. Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the
that the vice president is letting in migrants.
Well, of course that's not true.
And again, you have the facts.
I guess we agreed not to fact check.
I'll check it, but look, crossings are down
compared to when Donald Trump left office.
But it's again, blaming and not trying to find a solution.
I was gonna ask though on this question,
are we going to drill and build houses
in the same federal land?
And I think when people hear federal lands,
these are really important pieces of land.
Now Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.
I know in the western part of the countries we do.
There's not a lot of federal lands
in and around Minneapolis, for example.
So the issue is, is I don't understand
the federal lands issue unless we see this,
and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply
about our national parks and our federal lands.
Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.
We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.
These lands protect.
They're there for a reason.
They belong to all of us.
But again, this is when you view housing
and you view these things as commodities.
Like there's a chance to make money here.
Let's take this federal land
and let's sell it to people for that.
I think there's better ways to do this.
We've seen it in Minnesota.
We're able to refurbish some of these houses.
We're able to make some investments.
That gets people in.
And I'm still on the fact on this, economists.
Senator Bench, you said you don't like the economists.
Which economists are saying that it is immigrants
that's adding to the cost?
Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point,
I'd like for you to clarify, there
are many contributing factors to high housing costs.
What evidence do you have that migrants
are part of this problem?
well there's a federal reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate
will put it up on social media actually that really drills down on the
connection between increased levels of migration
especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices now of course
uh... margaret that's not the entire driver of housing prices it's also
the regulatory regime of comel harris
look we are country of builders were country of doers were country of
explorers
but we increasingly have a federal administration
that makes it harder to develop our resources,
makes it harder to build things,
and wants to throw people in jail
for not doing everything exactly
as Kamala Harris says they have to do.
And what that means is that you have a lot of people
who would love to build homes
who aren't able to build homes.
I actually agree with Tim Walts.
We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity,
but the thing that has most turned housing
into a commodity is giving it away
to millions upon millions of people
who have no legal right to be here. What are the federal regulations? I deal with
this as a governor. You can very quickly reply. I'm sorry. I get this as a
governor and and I don't necessarily disagree with that that in some cases many
of those are local. Many of them are state. I don't know which ones are
federal. That's a huge problem. I wish they would talk about that more. I think
you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. I think you want
to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things. So which are
the regulations because the vice president's not responsible for
those Congress writes those.
Governor, thank you gentlemen.
We have a lot to get through.
You're passionate about the housing crisis,
I can tell.
Nora?
Thank you.
One of the top problems facing Americans
is the high cost of health care.
Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate,
former President Trump was asked about replacing
the Affordable Care Act.
In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about
I remember that.
How chronically ill Americans get health insurance.
Can you explain how that would work?
Can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions
won't pay more?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans
with pre-existing conditions.
In fact, a lot of my family members
have gotten health care.
I believe members of my family actually
got private health insurance, at least for the first time,
switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance
for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.
And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concept of a plan remark.
It gets very simple common sense.
I think it's Tim Walls knows from 12 years in Congress.
You're not going to propose a 900-page bill standing on a debate stage.
It would bore everybody to tears, and it wouldn't actually mean anything, because
part of this is that you're going to take a bipartisan negotiation.
Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again he has a record to be proud
of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time.
that are Kamala Harris's leadership.
Prescription drugs are up about 7%.
Under Donald Trump's entire four years,
they were up about 1.5%.
He introduced pricing transparency.
You think about healthcare.
You go into a hospital, you try to buy something,
and nobody knows what it actually costs.
That price transparency will actually give
American consumers a little bit more choice,
and will also drive down costs.
And we talked about the reinsurance regulations
is what I was talking about.
Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover
both the chronically ill but the non chronically ill it's not just a plan he actually implemented
some of these regulations when he was president of the United States and I think you can make a
really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare which was doing disastrously until Donald
Trump came along and I think it's an important point about President Trump of course you
don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done
But when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs,
Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure
that Americans had access to affordable care. It's not perfect, of course, and there's so
much more that we can do. But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in
place some better health care policies. He's earned it because he did it successfully the
first time. Governor. All right. Here's where being an old guy gives you some history.
I was there at the creation of the aca and the reason it was so important is I come from a major
Health care state home of the Mayo Clinic home to medical alley. I was there
Metronik all of those we under thousand years ago were ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care
And so what I know is under Kamala Harris
More people are covered than they have before and those of you listening. This is critical to you
Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this he ran on the first thing
He was going to do on day one was to
repeal Obamacare on day one
He tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA but lost at the Supreme Court
And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill
Oh, yeah, forward what that means to you is you
If you're sitting at home, and you got asthma too bad if you're a woman probably not broke your foot during football might kick you out
Your kids get kicked out when they're 26 Kamala here negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare
We have 10 drugs that will come online the most common ones. It'll be there
But look this issue and when Donald Trump said I got a concept of a plan
And it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher
because my kids would have never given me that.
But what Senator Vance just explained
might be worse than a concept
because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.
And I'll make this as simple as possible
because I have done this for a long time.
What they're saying is, if you're healthy,
why should you be paying more?
So what they're gonna do is let insurance companies
pick who they insure because guess what happens?
You pay your premium, it's not much.
They're figuring they're not gonna have to pay out to you.
but those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer,
you're gonna get kicked out of it.
That's why the system didn't work.
Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.
Governor, thank you.
Senator, you have not yet explained
how you would protect people
with preexisting conditions or laid out that plan.
Well, we currently have laws and regulations
in place right now that protect people
with preexisting conditions.
We wanna keep those regulations in place,
but we also wanna make the health insurance marketplace
function a little bit better.
Now, what Governor Walts just said is actually not true.
A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare
was crushing under its own weight
is that a lot of young and healthy people
were leaving the exchanges.
Donald Trump actually helped address that problem
and he did so in a way that preserved people's access
to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.
But again, something that these guys do
is they make a lot of claims
about if Donald Trump becomes president,
all of these terrible consequences are gonna ensue.
but in reality, Donald Trump was president,
inflation was low, take home pay was higher,
and he saved the very program
from a Democratic administration that was collapsing
and would have collapsed absent his leadership.
He did his job, which is governed in a bipartisan way
and get results, not just complain about problems,
but actually solve them.
Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act
go up under the Trump administration?
It's higher now that we've seen it go up.
Look, people are using it.
The system works.
That's not what they ask.
This of young people, whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.
And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.
Well, then what happened to the individual mandate is a good idea.
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's
the only way insurance works.
When it doesn't, it collapses.
You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out.
Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare.
People expect it to be there.
The mandate was the bad part to make it and we are making it this way when we incentivize
people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it, get there
and we make sure then when you get sick and old, it's there for you because I heard people
say, well, I don't, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.
Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70.
So look, the ACA works, we can continue to do better.
Kamala Harris did that.
The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first
time in American history. Thank you. Margaret, can I apologize? We're out of time. We have
a number of subjects to discuss. Margaret, let's talk about families in America. There
is a childcare crisis in this country and the United States is one of the very few developed
countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents. Governor
Walls, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is
a day one priority for you. How long should employers be required to pay workers while
they are home taking care of their new one? That's a great question. Yeah, well, that's
negotiable and that's what Congress worked. But here's what the deal is. Americans setting
up there right now, you may work for a big company. We're home in Minnesota to some
of the largest fortune 500 companies. Kamala Harris knows that and call are in California.
Those companies provide paid family medically. One is 18 years moral and they think
It's a good thing, but it also keeps our employees healthy.
We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.
You have a child, you, and I had to go back
to work five days after my kids were born.
This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.
What we know is that gets the child off to a better start,
the family works better, we stay in their employers,
we get more consistency in that.
So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.
We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.
That's how you become a pro-business state.
but the negotiations on it, and here's the issue.
Those big companies are able to offer it.
Those of you out there who don't have it,
just imagine what happens if you get cancer
or your child gets sick.
We know what happens.
You end up staying home.
In some cases, that means no paycheck
because you've got no protection on that.
This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has said
for the wealthiest amongst us.
He's willing to give those tax breaks
to the wealthiest.
He's willing to say bust those unions up, do whatever.
What we're saying is the economy works best
when it works for all of us.
And so a paid family medical leave program,
and I will tell you, go to the families
or go to the businesses and ask them.
As far as childcare on this,
you have to take it at both the supply and the grand side.
You can't expect the most important people in our lives
to take either our children or our parents
to get paid the least amount of money.
And we have to make it easier for folks
to be able to get into that business
and to make sure that folks are able to pay for that.
We were able to do it in Minnesota,
and I'm still telling you this,
we were listed as the best state,
we're still in crisis on this.
A federal program of paid family medical leave
and help with this will enhance our workforce,
enhance our families and make it easier
to have the children that you want.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator, do you support a national paid leave program?
And if so, for how long should employers be mandated
to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborns
they're not going to give an answer
well first of all margaret a number of my republican colleagues and some
democrats to report on this issue i think there is a bipartisan solution here
because a lot of us care about this issue
we look at it i i i i speak from this very personally because i'm married to a
beautiful woman
who's an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very very
brilliant corporate litigator
and i'm so proud of her
but being a working mom even for somebody with all of the advantages of my
wife is extraordinarily difficult and it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.
She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company, but
the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I think makes it really
hard for people to choose the family model they want.
I think he's right.
A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.
Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.
Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.
I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.
I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have, the support paid family leave right now,
the community development block grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.
These programs only go to one kind of child care model.
Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with child care.
Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood
to provide child care in the way that makes the most sense.
You don't get access to any of these federal monies.
We want to promote choice and how we deliver family care
and how we promote childcare,
because look, it is unacceptable.
And of course, Semina, I've been on the campaign trail
a lot the past seven or eight weeks.
And one of the biggest complaints I hear
from young families is people who feel like
they don't have options.
Like they're choosing between going to work
or taking care for their kids.
That is an incredible burden to put on American families
where the only country that does it,
I think we could do a heck of a lot better.
Senator, thank you.
You have also said, Senator Vance,
many things about the American family.
The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly
as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.
So I wanna get your thoughts on this.
Yes, I wanna mine.
Recently said, as much as childcare
is talked about as being expensive,
it's relatively speaking, not very expensive,
compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.
Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax
credit that you have described?
Give one minute.
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret,
I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit,
is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money
by penalizing companies for shipping jobs that were seized
and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers
and then ship their products back into our country
and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring
and building companies in the United States of America,
but penalized companies and countries
that are shipping jobs overseas.
That's the heart of the economic.
He does say it weird.
And I think what President Trump is saying is,
when we bring in this additional revenue
with higher economic growth,
we're gonna be able to provide paid family leave,
childcare options that are viable
and workable for a lot of American families.
Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?
Well, because as Tim said,
a lot of the child care shortages,
we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple
people who could be providing family care options.
And we're gonna have to, unfortunately,
look, we're gonna have to spend more money.
We're gonna have to induce more people
to wanna provide child care options for American families.
Because the reason it's so expensive right now
is because you've got way too few people
providing this very essential service.
Thank you, Senator.
Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals.
Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for
children over the age of six, as your campaign has promised?
Is that realistic?
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you.
And this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows.
I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.
And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000.
Please you about three or four months. Let's be clear of where we're out of snow. No, yeah, that's right
Oh, but imbalances. We thought we were gonna get by by not paying people. I don't think center events are that and I or that for a
Part I'm not opposed what he's talking about on on options. We've done scholarships types of things
I think we need to be open to making the case
But the issue here is the question you asked is you're not gonna pay for it with these tariffs
That's just adding another four thousand on the family and taking less
So not only do they not get the money to pay for that. They're four thousand dollars in the hole
that's warden school that's hit that's his alma mater and so I think the issue here is if those members of Congress
I can't believe they're not it when I go to businesses sure they'll talk about taxes sometime
But they will lead with child care and they will lead with housing because we know the problem is especially in a state like Minnesota
We need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce
Governor, thank you. We need to move on Nora. Let's talk about the state of democracy the top issue for Americans after the economy and
inflation
After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits, contesting
the results.
Oh, yeah.
Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked
at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
Stop the steal of every state in the nation.
Republicans and Democrats certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate
of electors to Congress for January 6th.
Senator Vance, you have said you would not
have certified the last presidential election
and would have asked the states to submit alternative
electors.
That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
Would you again seek to challenge this year's election
results, even if every governor
certifies the results?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, Laura, first of all, I think
that we're focused on the future.
We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris
Good, because the passage is fucking retarded.
Make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.
Look, what President Trump has said is that it will cobbled in 2020.
And my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues
peacefully in the public square.
And that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said.
Remember, he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.
And on January the 20th, what happened?
Joe Biden became the president.
Donald Trump left the White House.
And now, of course, unfortunately,
we have all of the negative policies
that have come from the Harris Biden administration.
I believe that we actually do have a threat
to democracy in this country, but unfortunately,
it's not the threat to democracy
that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.
It is the threat of censorship.
It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships
because of disagreements over politics.
it's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens and it's Kamala
Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans she'd
like to censor people who engage in misinformation he's right I agree with her
threat to democracy than anything I totally agree with this country
absolutely last four years in the last 40 years now I'm really proud
especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue collar Democrats to
have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard lifelong
leaders in the Democratic coalition.
And of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.
We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American first
amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.
We ought to argue about them.
We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans.
Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale.
She did it during COVID.
She's done it over a number of other issues.
And that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said
when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January the 6th.
Governor?
Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate. I think there was a lot of commonality here
and I'm sympathetic to miss speaking on things. And I think I might have with
with the center, but there's one there's one, though, that this this one is
troubling to me. And I say that because I think we need to tell the
story. Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this. And the fact is
that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling
water go up. He was very clear. I mean, he lost this election and he
said he didn't. 140 police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day. Some with
the American flag several later died and it wasn't just in there in Minnesota. A
group gathered on the state Capitol grounds in Saint Paul and said we're
marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties. The only
person there was my son and his dog who was rushed out crying by state
police.
That issue and Mike Penn standing there as they were chanting hang Mike
Pence. Mike Pence made the right decision. Bring him up. Senator, I'm really
that adjudicated over and over and over. I worked with kids long enough to know.
And I said, as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but
the democracy is bigger than winning an election. You shake hands and then you
try and do everything you can to help the other side win. That's, that's
what was at stake here. Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the
idea that imprisoning your, your political opponents already laying the
groundwork for people not accepting this. And a president's words matter. A president's
words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling our differences at
the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened
on January 6th, the first time in American history that a president or anyone tried to
to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.
And here we are four years later in the same boat.
I will tell you this, that when this is over,
we need to shake hands this election,
and the winner needs to be the winner.
This has got to stop.
It's tearing your country apart.
He's right.
Margaret.
No, I agree with him.
Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?
True.
Yeah, we'll look to him.
First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders
to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy
when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th
as we have done for 250 years in this country.
We're gonna shake hands after this debate
and after this election.
And of course, I hope that we win
and I think we're gonna win,
but if Tim Walsh is the next vice president,
he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes
and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.
But we have to remember that for years in this country
Democrats protested the results of elections.
Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump
had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin
because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth
of Facebook ads, this has been going on for a long time.
And if we want to say that-
He's right about this too.
The results of the election, I'm on board.
But if we want to say, as Tim Walters is saying,
that this is just a problem that Republicans have had,
I don't buy that.
Governor.
January 6th was not Facebook ads.
And I think revisionist history on this,
look, I don't understand how we got to this point.
but Trump made it way worse.
But the issue was that happened.
Donald Trump, can you do it?
And all of us say there's no place for this.
It has massive repercussions.
This idea that there's censorship
to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone,
threatening to do something, that's not censorship.
Censorship is book banning.
We've seen that, we've seen that brought up.
I just think for everyone tonight,
and I'm gonna thank Senator Banz.
I think this is the conversation they want to hear.
And I think there's a lot of agreement.
This is one that we are miles apart on.
This was a threat to our democracy
in a way that we had not seen.
And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability
to say, he is still saying he didn't lose the election.
I would just ask that.
Did he lose the 2020 election?
Tim, I'm focused on the future.
Did Kamala Harris censor Americans
from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID
situation?
That is a damning non-answer.
It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship obviously Donald Trump
And I think that there were problems in 2020. We've talked about it
I'm happy to talk about it further
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy the only right under the United States
Democracy is the first amendment you yourself have said there's no first amendment right to misinformation
Kamala Harris wants to do that in power of the government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds
That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment
I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another
Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together afterwards. I know fire in a crowded theater. That's that's the test
That's the Supreme Court test Tim fire in a crowded theater
You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddler should
I don't know where the governor does have the floor.
That's not a prior and a crowded theater.
That is criticizing the policies of the government,
which is the right of every American.
I totally agree with fans on this, by the way.
I think he's totally right.
I don't run Facebook.
What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there
who refused, and now again,
and I'm pretty shocked by this,
he lost the election.
This is not a debate.
It's not anything anywhere other than in
Donald Trump's world.
When Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't
on this stage.
What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump?
Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election
and his vice president's not going to stand to it?
That's what we're asking you, America.
Will you stand up?
Will you keep your oath of office?
even if the president doesn't and I think Kamala Harris would agree she wouldn't have
picked me if she didn't think I would do that because of course that's what we would do.
So America I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to
honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.
Governor your time is up.
Thank you gentlemen.
We will be right back with both of our candidates the CBS News vice presidential debate.
Did she say CVS?
The CVS News.
All right.
Yeah, I really don't like what Walz is saying
about the freedom of speech
because Haste Breach is covered under the First Amendment
and yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I'm pretty sure, like, it's actually a false positive.
Like, I'm pretty sure you actually can't do that.
So yeah, you can't.
I'm not sure.
I heard that it got like overwritten or something. It got changed. Let me see if I can find it.
The utterance of fire in and of itself is generally not illegal within the United States.
Sometimes you could yell fire in a crowded theater without facing punishment.
The theater may actually be on fire, or you may reasonably believe the theater is on fire.
Okay, so yeah, that's what my understanding was, right?
Whether or not it's legal or not, should it be?
Uh, I don't think that, I don't think misinformation should be against the law.
I think that's an outrageous thing and it uh, I think it implies there is a government accepted
truth.
I find that to be very dangerous.
I think that's very, very dangerous.
Yeah, who decides that?
Yep, don't agree with it at all.
You can say whatever you want, as long as you're not inciting a crime.
Well, I don't know.
This information can be used dangerously?
Yes, so can any speech.
I mean, any speech can be used dangerously.
That doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't be able to say it.
Yeah, so can censorship.
Yeah, facts too.
Yeah.
So, as far as you can, it's protected, right?
You're such a retard.
I can't say that because of Twitch, not because of the First Amendment.
What do you mean?
Yeah, I can't say it on this platform.
I try to be fair, right?
Not trying to be a guy, but you mean disinformation, not misinformation?
No, I mean anything that's not...
I think people should be able to say disinformation and misinformation.
And unless you're advertising a product and it's like false advertising,
then I think you should be able to say both of them.
I believe in the like what we have is the First Amendment now. I agree that I think that's what it should be
Yeah, I don't I don't want any more restrictions. I don't want any more rules
Absolutely not
Slander well, that's not in the First Amendment is it?
Even if it causes injury to others I
Don't think the words cause injury to others. It's people acting on them. I think people should be accountable for their own actions
If someone chooses to act on something, then that's their decision.
Words don't do that.
People do.
Oh, and here we go.
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Join us right here, analysis, but now back to the debates.
Here we go.
Come back to the CBS News Vice Presidential Debate.
It is now time for the closing statement.
Senator Vance won the virtual coin toss
and elected to go last.
So Governor Walz, you are first.
You have two minutes.
Well, thank you, Senator Vance.
Thank you to CBS News.
And most importantly, thank you to all of you.
If you're still up and the folks who miss dancing
with their stars, I appreciate it.
But look, the support of the democracy matters.
It matters that you're here.
And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition
that Kamala Harris has built,
from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift,
and a whole bunch of folks in between there.
And they don't all agree on everything,
but they are-
So what is an endorsement from Dick Cheney
a good thing?
People leave in a positive future of this country,
and one where our politics can be better than it is.
And I have to tell you that better than it is,
is the sense of optimism
that there can be an opportunity economy
that works for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead.
And the idea that freedom really means something,
not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room,
but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.
Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said,
believe him when he told you that.
His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.
And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.
Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand
with Donald Trump's agenda.
He will continue to push down that road.
Excuse me.
Kamala Harris gives us a different option.
Now, I have to tell you, I'm going
to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator
Vance said that does resonate with me.
He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.
A lot of America feels that way.
We don't need to be afraid.
Franklin Roosevelt was right.
Alls we have to fear is fear itself.
Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.
She's bringing us a politics of joy.
She's bringing real solutions for the middle class,
and she's centering you at the heart of that,
all the while asking everyone, join this movement,
make your voices heard.
Let's look for a new day where everybody gets
that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.
I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th
for Kamala Harris.
Governor Walz, thank you.
Senator Vance, your closing statement.
Well, I would thank Governor Walz,
you folks at CVS and of course the American people
for tuning in this evening and what are you talking about with energy?
And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother,
when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights
because Ohio gets pretty cold in the back
and because money was often very tight.
And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president,
that we are a rich and prosperous enough country
where every American, whether they're rich or poor,
ought to be able to turn on their heat
and in the middle of a cold winter night.
That's gotten more difficult thanks
to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor,
you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor,
you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
You ought to not have your communities flooded
with fentanyl, and that too has gotten harder
with Kamala, because of Kamala Harris's policies.
Now I've been in politics long enough
to do what Kamala Harris does
when she stands before the American people and says
that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.
She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.
Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food,
but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing,
and to tell me they're praying for my family.
What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country,
the most beautiful country, the most incredible people
anywhere in the world.
But they're not going to be able to achieve
their full dreams with the broken leadership
that we have in Washington.
They're not going to be able to live their American dream
if we do the same thing that we've
been doing for the last three and a half years.
We need change.
We need a new direction.
We need a president who has already done this once before
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I mean that was a shock. I'm gonna be honest like that's been crazy like we haven't had
debate like this since like uh uh like romney and uh fucking uh obama it's been a long time
yeah it is like honestly kind of shocking you know that's crazy that was nuts like what the
fuck like yeah like i didn't even know what to think like i was like surprised i didn't like i
I was like, because you know how it's been, right?
It's been crazy.
And like, you know, there was no talk of horse come.
There's no couch fucking or anything like that.
It was a very civil and refreshing debate.
And I think it was great.
I do.
I think it went so much better than a presidential debate.
And I'd say after that debate,
I'd be more willing to vote for either of them
than either of Kamala or Trump, to be totally honest.
like I very, very easily, I would rather vote for both of them
than either one of the candidates for president.
Fans did a great job.
Yeah, I think he did.
I think he did a really good job.
There's a couple of things.
Like I think that, I think that there's like a Cold War
that's going on with like, you know,
Democrats not acknowledging censorship
and Republicans not acknowledging
that they lost the 2020 election.
I don't like that.
I think that really both things are true and it's a disservice to everybody that we can't act like
both things happened, but overall I think it did pretty well. We don't get, yeah, I mean that's
the way I see it, right? And Vance won the 3v1. I think that Vance came out looking better than
Tim Walls, I do think so, but I think that's also another reason because a lot of people had
a more negative opinion of Vance and I think that he repaired that image better than I would say
Tim Walls did. I think Tim Walls like pretty much did like he did fine really pull you guys want to
pull yeah that's fine and don't listen to me like I like I'll do a poll and you guys can uh can
vote in it. Who do you think came out ahead or improved your opinion of them. Okay, and
we've got the poll. Let me go ahead and link it to you guys, and then we'll take a look
at the results. A lot of people are saying both. I think that makes sense. Yeah, a lot
of people pretty much, yeah pretty much straight advance. I mean, to be fair, right, you
gotta keep in mind I think that even if you were not a fan of JD Vance at the
beginning right because a lot I it was like 70 30 or you know like like 70
30 fucking as yeah yeah 70 30 and now it's probably a bit better yeah Vance is
very eloquent yeah I think he did a he did a very good job I do I think he
did do a good job. We'll get trending on Twitter. Let's see. Yeah, I think that I mean, there's
not nothing really too crazy there that I would see. Vance is most presidential out of all of them.
I mean, I would say that he did like he did way better than what I had expected.
Like I had never really seen him debate and like my opinion of JD Vance is like I liked him,
but I also thought that like, you know,
like Vivek would have been a better candidate
and like a bunch of other stuff and he did like weird stuff.
But I think that like my opinion of him
after this debate went up by a lot.
I actually think he did a really good job.
I'm impressed.
Yeah, no poll, wait, did I not link the poll?
Let me link it again.
Yeah, there's the poll again.
Sorry, I'll show it again.
Give me one second.
Yeah, so it's like 80-20.
That's a disingenuous question.
I don't know.
I mean, like, I thought that's the best way that you could write it.
I mean, I don't know.
But yeah, Vance interpersonal skills are trashed, but he's pretty good debating.
Yeah, he has named three things you like about Vance's politics.
I really liked what he said about number one, the censorship thing.
I think that is the main issue.
And I also think it's true that, you know,
having a lot of immigrants and having people come in
from the country that living in houses
are going to drive up the price of houses.
Like it's very simple.
If there's more people trying to get houses,
there's more competition for houses
that's gonna make the price go up.
I mean, you don't really need to be like
an economist to know that.
It's common sense.
And so, I would say that, let me think,
besides that, those are probably the first two
that I would really say.
you know i have to think about the rest in fix the supply
yeah i actually really wish that they would talk more about like big companies
buying up a bunch of houses i think this is like a uh...
you know a clever use of game mechanics it needs to get patched out
uh... you know big companies that own like you know five hundred residential
houses
this is very very very much like uh...
very unhealthy
right for like whatever reason should be patched up for sure yet this is
is extremely unhealthy.
And I'm disappointed that neither one of them
talked about that because I think it's actually,
I think it's a like, for however bad the like immigrant thing
is, this is like a hundred times worse than that.
Taxes and companies that own over like 10 plus houses
should be dead ass over 80% on selling.
Yeah, exactly, right?
And so,
Wall said that, he did.
No, no, no, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
He did say that but he only mentioned it.
I wish they had talked about it more.
That's which is fair.
Yeah, he did mention it.
Yeah, he brought up the commodification of housing.
Yeah, and I think that's a huge issue.
Massive, yeah, didn't emphasize it.
I think he should have emphasized it more.
Like the immigrants taking houses is like,
in my opinion, like nothing
compared to BlackRock taking houses.
Like who has more power?
a bunch of illegal fucking immigrants from South America
or BlackRock that has like a,
like they're managing trillions of dollars.
Like I wonder, you know, I wonder where the problem is here.
That's what I think.
They can't say it otherwise,
they'll lose support from those big companies.
I think that's the easiest thing to assume.
Yeah.
The immigrant things like 2% of it,
huge international corporations buying houses
like 75% of it.
I don't know, but I tend to believe what you're saying.
I do.
Like, logically, everything points to what you're saying being true.
Yeah.
I'm really like, yeah, I think that's what makes sense.
Made up statistics?
It is.
It's made up statistic, but like, I think it's somewhere around there.
It's hard to patch anything out because there's always going to be workarounds.
Yeah, I know.
No, they're literally funded by Black Rock subsidiaries.
Oh, well, I mean everybody is right because BlackRock is so big so yeah
Or so I don't think it's the US countries be a fuck be on repair
Yeah, oh, also I support the the mass deportation just get people that aren't supposed to be here get them out
You know, that's my opinion and you know, I have a pretty extreme opinion about that. But yeah, that's what I think
So yeah
Canada banned Chinese citizens from parking money in Canadian houses. I'm not sure what Canada did. I'm not I have no idea
I don't want to but yeah, maybe that's a good idea. Maybe not. It's hard to say
My understanding is that the entities that own multiple houses with such an insignificant percentage of the housing market that the topic was mouse outrage
Or something it wasn't real
It's very hard for me to say like what I think that it's big enough even though like so basically
the housing shortage is not like
Even if these big companies own, let's say, only think of a good way to say this, even
if they own 2% of the houses that are owned entirely, I'm just making up numbers.
But the problem is that you need 5% more than they are effectively 40% of that problem.
Do you see kind of how that math works out?
Right?
2% is massive.
yet 2% is gigantic because it's not like nobody has a house but the deficit between people that
want houses and have houses is probably less. Like I have to think about this more in a way to like
explain it but it's like having max resistances increased in Path of Exile with like elemental
resist. It might seem like a 1% is a max is not a lot but actually whenever you look at the
the total amount of damage that you're taking,
then if you look at it mathematically, totally different.
So yeah, yeah, that's at least how I see it, right?
And that's my best comparison.
It's the exact same thing.
Yes, it is.
And so that's the way I see it too.
No house, no family too.
Yeah, I think so.
There's 70 million homes right now,
28 for every homeless person.
Yeah, but a lot of those houses
are rundown shacks and they're garbage.
So it makes sense that people aren't living there.
But either way, I think it was really refreshing
and it was really great to see how many people
were positive about this debate.
I hope this is a return to form.
I think that one thing this really shows
is how absolutely deranged the last eight years have been
around Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and I think Kamala Harris.
I feel like, again, it really is a shock
to see two normal people of sound mind
that I think are intelligent.
I do think Tim Walsh is a smart guy.
I think JD Vance is a smart guy too.
It is shocking to see what we've lost.
It is, and I hope to see more of this.
That's my perspective.
JD ain't normal.
I didn't say normal.
I said, I think he's a smart guy.
I don't think either one of them are normal,
but I think they're smart guys.
And yeah.
Anyway, I opener, yeah it is.
I mean, do you guys feel the same way about that?
Like, I feel like a lot of people,
they're so respectful, it's insane.
I kind of forgot politicians could be like that.
Yeah, I know.
Like, there hasn't been anything like that
since like Romney and Obama, which was in 2012.
It was great.
It was almost boring,
which is I think something that a lot of people have been,
you know, I think it's one thing that like,
You know, for such a long time, it's been so emotionally charged and escalated that I
don't think people realized how much different it was and how far, you know, we've moved
away from that.
Did Evance really surprise me tonight?
Yeah, he did.
I'll watch more of like the commentary and everything like that about it tomorrow.
Obviously, it's 10 p.m. for me.
I'm probably gonna go and probably call my dad, talk to him about it and eat my
dinner and at least what's left of it.
I'm going to chill out for a while. Tomorrow we're probably going to play a little bit more of Throne and Liberty.
And then after that I'm thinking about finding a new game for this weekend and kind of getting into that.
So guys, thank you all very much for watching. I really appreciate it. I hope we had a good stream today.
I hope you guys had fun. I'll be back on early tomorrow and we'll get back to it.
So yeah, 9 o'clock stream, quite a while.
Alright boys, until next time. Peace! See ya!