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as well also reduce damage taken by last nice cool necrotic wake address an
issue where players can be targeted by affix as well on their way back up to the
top platform during last boss cool oh dude they need to do that for last boss
siege by the way they need to do a oblivion hotfix on that boss oh I heard
about yeah you could get the order was it also last boss are a car oblivion
orbs are apparently nuclear to actually be able to soak yeah that's just hard
That's feels a little bit more
I guess it's not a bad interaction than super unfair
A little bit of quality of life changes on Miss Faller
I would hit Surgeon Stitch Flush
I was waiting for that
Yeah, I would also hit that boss again
I think that I would be cutting the adage peep by 50% probably
I'm not even kidding, the ads are almost impossible to kill
Yeah, you just fall behind on them and then
Or you focus them and then you can do like 1% to the boss before it goes back
to focus them today with our lust up because we committed all of our spears and wiped to the boss
of course so we we're then you still figure out the way to kill the boss yeah and we couldn't kill
the ads in time yeah it's just like well that what if we can't even we can't even do the boss
the correct way you can only cheese it and I don't love that that feels wrong I would be looking
to hit that boss again I agree yeah that's quality of life a little bit of a better visibility on
that ball when it comes out and then patty cake just being increased range hooray that'll be nice
You're almost there.
I was hiding.
That's Twitch from League of Legends.
Yeah, I was gonna say.
The following game.
I would do the Tradova ground effect thing,
the same as that we saw from the Twilight Drake,
where I think the Tradova's ground effect.
First off, the fact that a lot of it's invisible
is really obnoxious, but also the fact
that it insta-takes you feels so annoying.
There are a few effects in Mr. Janus Eith
Where visibility is scuffed by the ground being uneven elevation. Yeah, it's like on Miss Caller this can happen as well
Were those arrows from the boss? Yeah, if it's water area. They're just hidden. So
Yeah, I would I would love those to get a little bit of verticality on the effects of some kind
So in vault with the hotfix is not yet live the howlers will properly reset their health when leaving combat
Don't like to those hobs try not to wipe anywhere really a good point master advice the master machine is as well
This is the boss that is really harder than that right that the the council boss
Yes, the target one. The target council fight. Ability timing has been adjusted to prevent a potentially unfair overlap between
exhaust vents and blazing crescendo. So this was a spell queuing thing and you could actually get the exhaust vents
immediately into Dorito doing the box push in the middle of the room that did the AOE in a weird way where there was
sometimes you had a lot of time to be able to actually recover your HP and
And sometimes you had like two seconds to get to the safe event and the box was then being moved straight into the middle of the room
And that caused a lot of people to die
How we had solved it for that on beta was like centering the boss in the middle of the room and just like very quickly identifying
Where we needed to go, but it did feel very unfair. I agree with that
They've also increased the cast time of molten metal a little bit longer to get that kick
Especially the one after the box throw. I have an issue with that
kick actually happening I think that that I think that there should be a
grace period on that mob casting so in like all melee groups yeah there is an
issue where them like it's just like really difficult to get the molten metal
kick on time additionally for whatever reason the tank buster on that boss
fervents yeah and so if you charge to try and get the kick then you're gonna
get fervent or like infernal strike heroic leap anything yeah somebody's
getting fervent and I'm not in love with that silent speaker I don't know
that mechanic is is that one one of them is dead and the other is still alive?
Oh yes it is. Okay. Yeah that does kill you rather quickly if you don't do your damage even
live between those two. Straight up I wouldn't know what that was until you said it. Okay.
And then also address an issue where key level does not automatically pop play for
stage paralysis. Wait I thought it I thought it didn't pop play for a lot of other dungeons.
Yeah I heard that the group finder was kind of there were problems with it. So yeah when
you search for keys you would literally only see like three dungeons and it was mists,
Spirales and Grimbatoll.
It was like a key range issue where if you're searching for a specific range of dungeons,
you would only see like you're saying those specific dungeons, and then some dungeons
like Arakara or whatever wouldn't be filtering.
Yeah, so these brats who like wouldn't show up.
You would have to filter by the dungeon itself, I think you're looking for.
Interesting.
Which is like if you just want to do like your plus nines or whatever, it's kind
of obnoxious to go in and like look at all the Grimbatolls, look at all the
stone walls look at all the other cars to then find out so yeah maybe I don't
think they're comprehensive like in the sense of that I don't think they're
everything that I needed like I wanted to see changed a lot of changes though it's
nice yeah these are a lot of changes and these are a lot of good changes I
don't think there's any change where I'm sitting here like oh okay why don't
you do this it's more just like oh I wish you know you hit the enforcer
shout damage a little bit oh I wish you stitch flash and surgeon stitch flush
again yeah I think that's a big one for me could be down for you to
rework that fight. Maybe we'd be done for a full rework on how that boss works.
I think even in BFA, that fight was often painful.
Well, spears were more overpowered then, and so that... I mean, you committed spears on
that boss then, but spears were better, so...
Yeah, a fair trade, perhaps.
I don't know. Maybe we take Stitchflesh and we move him out of that dungeon.
What would you do? Any additional changes you would make?
I like nerfing Sitch Flash again. Yeah, I think that boss is uh
They they need to all be
Fair without weapons and then you use your weapons somewhere by choice rather than every single group
Yeah, always using all their weapons on Sitch Flash as I agree now because it's required. Yeah. Yeah
All right, so those are our hotfixes our mythic dungeon tuning today
I know all of our Raiders love mythic dungeons as well, so we may even see my team in space today
Yeah, I love mythic plus. I love mythic plus keystones
But our raiders are still doing heroic splits.
We could see that was happening earlier and they were doing a full run in a couple of
different splits.
So that's what's been going on here for a while.
An interesting day so far.
The Mythic Reaklear has gotten to four of eight and there's been some BOE farming too,
which has gone reasonably well.
What's for dinner tonight?
Baked ziti, I believe.
What's that?
It's a pasta dish.
Oh.
Yeah.
Like from Italy.
I hurt pasta with chicken. Yes, I think that is involved potentially as well. I think it's baked
rather than boiled. Is that what normally happens to pasta? Yeah. I mean it can be both boiled and
then baked. It's weird. I wouldn't have thought of it as boiled but now I'm thinking about the
process of cooking it. It is boiling, right? For not the baked pasta. You don't look like
somebody who cooks. I can boil a pasta, let me tell you. That's one of my many specialties.
I can also tell what's on your menu of you come over to try this as apartment. What is it?
What is he cooking for dinner? There's also many many microwave specialties
Available to me almost any almost anything that the microwave does I can do
Uh-huh
I have a actually one of my skills is if I put four minutes on the microwave
And then I go to my computer in a different room. I can walk back in
Reliably with less than 10 seconds on the microwave before it beeps
Beeps.
That's true.
It's not like the people that write like, oh, I can do like 60 second rice, whip in
55 seconds.
No, no, no.
It takes the full amount of time.
I just know when it's about to be before it beeps and I walk back into the room that
way.
That's just a habit.
You're describing a habit.
That just tells me you used a microwave a whole lot.
One of the mini gratin specialties as well is also whenever he goes up to the
Chipotle, his local Chipotle, they actually know what he wants before even ordering.
Oh really?
Yeah, you order there a lot, right?
Do love it.
I had Chipotle for the first time yesterday.
How did you feel?
It was pretty good, yeah.
Well, OK.
A bit spicy.
A bit spicy?
Yeah.
Yeah, they don't have spice in Germany.
That's true.
Yeah.
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Okay, you guys are gonna find the line that's red. That's the one that's targeting you if you get picked here
You're gonna run at it then turn it away from the red go
Whatever you do, you can't shoot it through the middle of the room
Make a jump. Now straight out, Bill. Look at the lines coming out of your character
Make sure they're not going through the middle of the room again
One of them comes through the middle, triple, and then be on the side
Okay, it's me. You can take that. All right spread out here
Everybody spread out give each other a lot of room if you get targeted by any of these lines in this phase
You immediately use the defensive
Offset the warrior rally
If your health is below half for more than two seconds use the health plot or a health from here
But if you get picked you have to use the defensive you can't get hit by two almost done
Water and this is soul skill
First thing we're getting is circles. We're gonna put them on any of the colors
But I'm at the colors
After you drop it off at the color that's the side of what you just dropped
Wait there. Make sure your lines aren't going anywhere through the middle of the room.
Shoot your lines away from us, then get sucked through the gaps and meet us in the middle.
That won't get you.
Boom. Gozer, Stamping War.
Find the line that's red right now, run at it, and then turn it away.
Good. Stay out there. Make sure your lines aren't coming through the middle of the red.
And then meet us in the back afterwards.
Or meet us in the middle afterwards. I don't know why I said back.
want to set back. Watch out for the sock. Be on that side. Lip one rush. Find the
line that's red. Run it out of the raid. Run at it first and then run it out of
the raid. Your lines aren't coming through the mid or intermission phase right
now. Give each other a lot of room here. If you get targeted, use a defensive. If
you don't have a defensive, use a help pot. Creek rally. If you get targeted,
I'll just use a help pot or else some like 100% because you're not going to
need anymore. You can take that res. I need my submit to the slaughter. I miss it. When
this boss dies, everybody send a battle res on everybody who's dead. Battle res now.
Lutz over here. I lied. It's over there. I'm stuck. I'm stuck. I'm sideways as hell.
Why everyone is leaving?
What the hell?
Oh, area 52 died.
Oh, bluey.
Yep, they're all area 52.
Area 52 blew up.
Dude, their server is so bad, it's crazy.
That server is fucking horrible.
That's kind of a telecon hell, no?
Or is that going to hijack our lead?
You know, hold on.
It shouldn't have been like a past just before.
I'm fucking area 52.
52 that server is a fucking death field
I'm gonna bring my Druid for this actually just the crests on those
The boss was that 51% at two minutes. I was like, I'll just hold these twos
Couldn't have done that
There were a few more deaths. Did you roll out this?
Yeah
I'm back actors on the red
Oh God, it's W.
They're waiting on him for him to roll?
Well, it's the, yeah, it's just all fine.
It's there if it's two people, yeah.
W.
Maybe can you heal?
Being a little bit of a...
W.
Guys, they're just looking for PM already.
What a day.
Offends when the service come up.
Five hours.
Just, um, the group.
I'll give you one more.
Why the fuck do they all vote?
Man, I can just let my day edge die.
Yeah, that's fine. Also explode anyways. That's good summons.
So you're just going to get free ball in your character.
Yeah.
That already has all the things on it.
Yo.
Yo.
You're a G3.
I knew that.
That's a vibe.
Very helpful summons.
It's just your wielding buttons.
That's all good.
There's some dudes in here.
I'm just gonna go.
Oh, oh.
All right, we can go and Danny Rory, Pistotum and Yuri Callas all get to be core.
Pistotum.
Pistotum always.
Pistotum goes hard.
You just don't get hit if you're a voker flying
That is fucking sick
Common blaze it W. Oh wait, no Danny Yuri and pistol them
Oh, no, because he had it. He just opened his options. Oh good. Just wait here right now
If you guys aren't discord and you can hear me hitting out of the rage at just say I'm the kind of good
We can go I'm gonna give it two more checks
You know, we're just a logo for good
Not so okay. Okay, speak
It should be 5.
The loot's coming.
Alright, last track. 13 seconds to get it.
I have to get it.
Oh, you know when we're good.
I can just stay on my electric car.
That'd be shit. Okay, I'm gonna explain the fight real quick. Phase one, we're gonna hit this beetle.
He's gonna leap away. You don't pace him.
We're gonna use the defensive there. He's gonna park back. We got a damage dip on him.
In the intermission, I'm gonna mark myself with a skull.
You guys are gonna follow me around the room and I'll keep you safe.
Uh, looking by your range, right?
Yep.
There's me scum and all my character.
And phase two, you guys cannot stand underneath the skinny guy or the middle of the room.
You guys cannot stand anywhere near the direct middle of the room.
Three of you are going to get a debuff.
Those three people are going to go to the direct middle of the room underneath
the skinny guy and we're going to dispel your debuff onto the skinny guy.
Uh, and then the last phase, I'm going to call for a point where
everybody uses everything to live.
That means your biggest offensive, your health zone and your health
You have to use all three it's gonna hurt really bad. We're gonna live through that and move all six boats
We're gonna left the pole. It's got some and DK helpers help me grip the ads and underneath the ball
So I'll call on their gasp on. All right, here we go
We lost the pole. All right spread
Here come the ads DK's get ready to help me grip
Fine now recommend closing in bones. They're all marked
Range and aren't filled. We already have someone's link there the mark
I don't like the sounds any good everybody's the defensive right now hit the skinny guy don't face the beetle
Good now hit the beetle big game the gap on him and spread make sure you don't fact
We've got a fucking reason I can't even see my Luna beam in a raid
Yo
One defensive from all the boys right now.
Doug, come here.
Oh, you have one.
So, they all have one, yay.
All right, get ready to hit the beetle again.
Good game again.
One more spread here, maybe a frontal.
Maybe it's real, you know.
It's real, randomly.
Good, get spread.
All right, back on the call.
They'll pop me.
Off THC.
All the call you can say.
We're gonna go left here, that's a pop.
Yep.
Alright, stay on Skull. I'll keep you safe through all of this, right here, to the left.
And then we're going to go right after it pops, boomie.
Oh, that's a second guy.
Alright, stay on Skull.
Alright, and then we're going to left after it.
Dodge coming.
Yup, this is real. Stay on Skull.
Run right, right here on Skull, and then right again after it's bumped.
Good.
Alright.
In this phase, the middle of the room is now officially banned.
You guys can never stand there.
You guys stand on the outside edge and you have to be able to end the entire time.
I will call for when you swap to the skinny guy at some point.
But not yet. Biggest defensive right now, 3, 2, 1, and then run away.
After you run away, DK helpers help me grip.
If you guys are going to get a debuff, you guys go to the middle of the room underneath this skinny guy.
Memory, Kazi main, and Jerry under the middle.
Just build memory.
I just build Kazi.
And I just build Jerry. Now hit the middle guy. Everybody hit the middle guy.
good shit we're gonna have to maybe do that one more time we might auto-face
you know he's in TP though and one big defensive in three two one now and run
away yeah we are gonna get this as well so you guys are gonna be them
pk helpers help me grip he's out here that's three of you're gonna get the
You guys are going to go middle of the room, when we go under first, this is called Loomie.
You have Kazimane and Goose, middle of the room.
And this is called Kazi.
And, yeah, at the middle of the night.
Oh, okay, you guys, that'd be shit.
Alright, at this phase you guys dodge on your own.
Just when you have a bunch of circles, they all keep expanding outwards.
So once they pop, they'll expand outwards like that.
Just keep dodging, don't get it.
Keep dodging.
Great, the spike out underneath the block.
I was so excited. I'm like my only guy don't be gonna spike
All right new ones
Touch touch on to they all keep expanding. I love you in the last phase. Okay
When the boss spawns where the fuck is the all right? Well, we're gonna run away from this people's team
But it's it
No, we'll come together
Yeah
good clean all right dodge the funnel get ready in three seconds two one use
everything you have biggest offensive right now and get ready when we get
sucked in you're gonna help on and you're gonna help down any of them on
the way all right yep do all that fit
and then we keep give it a look all right it's the V-Type B
hey frontal all right good work everybody thank you guys for helping
What the fuck is all this?
I think that is actually the losses.
Thank you for helping.
Hello everybody and welcome back.
If you're just now tuning in, we are currently still doing heroic splits here at the raced
world first four team liquid.
My name is Ziya.
I'm joined here with Dash and Xyronik.
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Dash, great to have you, obviously.
Great to be.
You're great to be back after getting to join last year.
I was hounding people behind the scenes.
I was like, please let me back in.
The one condition was the dog has to come.
Who's not here?
She left.
She's smelling dinner.
That's their cooking dinner up.
So she's off where the good smells are.
That means it's the end of your shift, unfortunately.
She's really good.
That's kind of how it works.
It was short lived, y'all.
But she's taken up the spotlight where she deserves to be.
Yeah, she's a start.
No food in there.
It's closing in on her dinner time, so she's, you know, searching, grazing.
A sip of water right here.
Wow, yeah.
She's just going to inspect the kitchen over there, make sure everything's, you know, tip-top
shape at the moment.
Absolutely.
But, yeah, we've got no...
Yes, Chef.
Get in there and help, Azula.
It's a little yes, Chef action, okay?
Very, yeah.
Yeah.
Got to keep it in line over there.
You're Chef Heidi, even the dogs.
But we found out last year that you were a big wild fan.
Yeah.
I mean, I grew up on this game, I think, like a lot of people, you know,
And you have had my own storied history with the game,
you know, falling in and out of it,
I think is a lot of people do as well, right?
Where you've got the expansions that really grab you
and then maybe you take a little break,
but World of Warcraft is the kind of game
that always brings you back in more than anything,
what brings me back is the race to world first, right?
I absolutely adore watching the best of the best do
what they do best, right?
And the level of access that we have nowadays,
which obviously has only grown tier over tier,
has been such a treat.
And I think in a lot of ways,
has kind of served a bit of a revival for the rating scene
in terms of interest, right?
General interest where you get.
It's incredible to me,
the number of people who I see even in chat
as I'm watching go, I don't play well,
but I watch this race every year,
because you just, you're glued to your monitor
when you're watching people push themselves
to their absolute limits.
And I will always enjoy that as somebody who enjoys sports.
And there's 24-7 content also.
You can flip over to NA, then you can watch EU.
So you're going to have to go to sleep.
You can just watch WoW for weeks.
I do.
I don't know about you guys, but every night,
after the liquid stream ends, I just flip on the Echo stream.
And that's I fall asleep to the sounds of Echo.
Reeling liquid back in and then wondering, when I wake up,
will they be in the lead or will they not be?
And I'm sure I sleep a little more soundly
than some of the players here who are there actively wondering,
yeah, how far behind are we going to be?
Or how far ahead will we still be when the next day comes?
And as it stands right now, I think
that the liquid kill on Silkencourt last night
was hugely important and impactful on the race.
Because I would admit when the boss was about 35%
last night, they kind of plateaued at 35%
for a little while.
I was sitting there going, I'm not sure if this boss is killable on this reset.
I was thinking maybe we see a 10% pull, but maybe that's about where they say, okay, pack
it up for the night, and we look for the kill.
But once they hit that 9% pull, I was like, oh, actually, this is killable.
This is absolutely killable, this reset.
And the fact that they were able to do that, not only for the vault loot, which
is important, but then for the information, right?
And information is key in these races.
So the information of being able to go to Queen Ansaric on Mythic and just get some of
those numbers that they could start to toy around with and let that shape their plan
going into today's reset.
Yeah, not only the numbers, but the classes that are actually going to be good on the
fight, especially in phase one, since that's going to be the fight, you know, the part
of the fight that they're actually doing every single pull for all the progression on the
encounter.
Yeah, I agree.
It's a huge thing that they got the boss down last night.
And at the end of my first shift, my last shift yesterday rather, that was at
that 35% mark, right?
Yeah.
There's really no way they're going to kill this boss today.
But of course, you know, they pulled it out and you could tell last night they were ready
to go for a few more hours.
I don't know if they were joking, but Max was talking about we're going until 4am guys.
We're going to kill this boss tonight.
We need this information because that's kind of what Echo would do.
Yeah.
They're putting themselves in their, in their shoes, they're trying to give themselves
the best opportunity to win and they went for a last night.
They got there.
So it's huge.
Yeah.
Kind of really made, I feel like towards the end, we're in that, we're in that
moment basically in the race world first where it really starts becoming the race
world first.
love when we have both top guilds and even Method very closely following also as a third
almost going to be pulling on Silicon Core at the same time, especially when they wake
up. So things are starting to get really competitive and ramping up and becoming really exciting.
Yeah, if you don't mind, let me jump in on that because I, you know, so often and
rightfully so, the race world first is largely talked about as a two horse race,
right? And maybe there's always kind of an ancillary third that you're itching
to put into the discussion, but they're just not quite there. I think that the
performance of method in this race specifically needs to be lauded. Well, I'm not sure that
they've shown us that maybe they're competing for number one. I think up until literally
tonight or last night in EU, they have shown themselves as competitor for top two. Just
barely missing out on the kill on Silicon Court is maybe going to hurt them a little
bit. But when you take a look at their progression on a number of the bosses,
mirrors that of the top guilds. They in large part were only a percent or two behind their
other EU counterpart in Echo at most points in the race when it comes to Brood Twister
and Kai Vezza. I'm hopeful that even in this race they can make it interesting as a three
horse race but the way that they've ramped up excites me if not for this one for the
next year.
Not only in the pole counts in the percentages as well but one of the things you have
to think about for a guild to put themselves in that upper echelon of guilds is they have
to actually come up with the strategies too, right? And when we saw Echo and Liquid both
get to Brute Twister, their first thought is there's no way we can do take this boss.
But Methods started off with the two blood decays, which is what Echo and Liquid both
ended up adopting to kill the boss. So they're bringing the strategy, they're bringing
the thoughts to the boss that will like set them up to potentially get to that world
first at some point down the line, but don't think they're just quite there just
yet.
Yeah, agreed.
Also, apparently they're still writing for the night.
Wait, what is it right now?
It's according to chat. Yeah, I don't know. Should I Google? Let me just say hit us with that
I also actually just another side note
And I know they're one of our partners warcraft logs and the interface
I mean warcraft logs always been an incredible tool
But the interface for the race to world first just being able to click follow the race and get a quick
overview of the top 20 guilds to your point about
compositions
Well as I'm watching the race and I can't watch 14 different streams at one time to be able to quickly go there and say
Let me just get a sense of what everyone's doing. Okay, the EU guilds are still running Augs for example on
Kaivesa they were running Augs. We were running three devs
That was an interesting adjustment for for me and a difference between the two guilds and then even more specifically to your point
That brood twister cop when you go and you look at that and you go wait
Hold on the top guilds are now emulating the guild that's just underneath them. That's pretty special
Yeah, definitely also it's 2 a.m. There so it's like you know kind of normal gamer hours
but then you also have to take in the fact that their reset starts at 5 a.m.
local time. In three hours. Yeah, very soon. And I imagine they're not going to go home and
sleep for like an hour and keep going. So, I mean, it's a choice. I think they're about a
little bit over one percent. So, I can understand why they're extending, but I do worry for them
a little bit because there's a lot that they could be missing out on if they don't get down
silken cord before that reset. That's exactly it, right? I think that's the only reason
why you can justify extending. Number one is because at this point, you're in any pole,
is a kill range. And then number two, like we talked about that extra bit of vault, opening up
the loot table of court into your vault, and that extra item level just from or item levels that you
get from the kill tonight before the reset could be really, really impactful to your chances at
getting back in that conversation. Whether or not we think it'll happen
is a moot point to their justification for continuing to go. I hope it does.
You know, as a two-year point, the gap between, because you know, we know that it's kind of
echo and then liquid and then method has been just closing that gap.
And this year, if they're right there, and if I would love to see them get that down
tonight and then, of course, they've got the reset tomorrow, so they kind of get a
watch echo and liquid sort of do their thing a little bit.
So it wouldn't be that big of a deal if they, you know, slept in a little bit
tomorrow, didn't start immediately at five.
They could catch up, for sure, especially with the way they've been playing this
year.
Absolutely. Another thing I'm genuinely curious about, which we're not going to have the answer to
unless we have an opportunity to talk to some of the players in a bit. From a viewer perspective,
as I was actually driving up here, but I had the stream on my phone. Just audio. I'm just
listening. But I'm listening to Max's perspective during the portion where they're all opening
their vaults. I feel like the vault loot for Liquid was really solid today. But I'm curious
if they, you know, if they agree, you know, but a number of weapons, a possible weapons
are like completing the offhand set, some good trinkets, some of those rare items. So
I'm curious how they feel, you know, just generally coming out of their loot luck. And
then of course, all these heroic splits, which feel like they've missed a few more
of the loot of the items they're hunting for in the heroic splits today.
Yeah, their answers didn't go too well. They got a couple of rings, but they
weren't really looking for too much outside of that. We've seen them in the past
couple of hours here, go back to sick grind and rush, and try to get some very rare items there, the cloak and the neck.
Right. I'm not sure what their luck was there, or how many of those they're planning on doing.
We just now saw them doing heroic silk and cord as well, probably looking for a normal to heroic spy masters upgrade for somebody.
You know, all of these individual item level upgrades are not that big of a deal for the one person, but in the grand scheme of things, if you can get one extra piece of loot,
that's just a normal to heroic upgrade for somebody on everybody in the raid, that then becomes a pretty big deal.
You can see we're doing more silken cords here any good loot off of this one
Don't think I see any spy master. That's amazing. They're looking for here
It's gonna be a spy masters. She actually got a mythic spy masters out of his cash. See there you go
That's what I'm that's what we're hunting for right there. Yeah a lot of woos a lot of whoos
When they were opening their boxes, so I think it's safe to say they were excited as well
So dash do you want to eat a bug? Do I want to eat a bug?
Yeah, we've got some leftover bugs when it comes to wanting to no not not particularly
Okay, all right. I mean if I had to I could probably make it work
I did get a peek at the the bug options, and I think I've narrowed down to which one I would choose
Yeah, which one did I I think I'd go ants. Oh
There was it there was ants like I'm like a little
Or something I think right next to you or thing. Yeah. Yeah. There was like ants like a little mini scorpion thing
and then like a larva thing. But I think I would go with the ants.
I think that's fair. They're small. Oh, Azula wants them.
Azula wants the ants. Azula, come here.
Azula, does that not for you, ma'am? She's really doing it right.
You behaving yourself? Okay. As long as she's behaving. That's all that matters.
Yes, we've got a- here's two of them. This is scorpion looking thing.
Oh my gosh. Right? I might say on the back, actually, I didn't even look.
Oh, this is a worm, even worse. I'm definitely not doing worm. I'm also not a huge blueberry fan, which is a blueberry worm.
Oh my god, it's like a meal worm.
Also, I'm pretty sure these are way worse than what we did last night.
Last night, we just did crickets, flavored crickets, nice crickets, those are fine.
Yeah, you just punched them and they're gone.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, half the country's in the world, that would just be something you have for a snack.
Yeah, totally normal, just not here. Not really, not really quite accustomed to it,
but yeah, we've got a scorpion and a worm.
these are like a ticking time bomb you know you're having a nice I know it's
getting closer and closer to unwrapping one of those like oh yeah no this weird
worm spiky what's happening here yeah the the the crickets weren't too bad but
no if you're wondering what we're talking about we are currently alongside the
race world first of course raising money for the Santa Monica animal shelter a
great organization teal.gg slash rwf-donate don't worry you're off
the hook you don't have to eat bugs we already did that but we do have some
more incentives that we are trying to clear the next one being oh my gosh
I forget what is it zero help me. What's the next one? We're almost at twenty thousand dollars, which is the next one
But I what's the what's the reward for it?
We have to help us there we go
I threw that one in there. How does that work? But yeah date was allotath. Oh don't we're not going to reveal our
Oh, okay. Yeah, you're gonna have to this kind of change
Hit the goal then you find out for that one
This used to be like a visit from delatath, and then we changed it to a date with
Things are heating up, right? Things are getting spicy at the raised world first
Yeah, yep
That's actually we're gonna have to get that now and then maybe you could find out I
Believe him. I believe in chats ability to
To dunk the 20k mark. Yeah, I don't know where they were in their donations in the last segment if they shot it
And he's out, but I did notice that Max's parents donated. What?
To find mom and dad Smith are proud of the entire liquid team hundred dollars from them mama and Papa Maximum
Yeah, thank you guys so much
Thank you that that one is not up for adoption. No, okay
No, that one's mine. You can't have that one, but you can have any of the others
But she does and I heard the you so graciously
Offered to cover. Yes adoption fees
Yeah, any of our fans during the race will first that want to adopt any of the animals from the Santa Monica animal shelter
I would like to
Cover the adoption fees and makes also wants to buy some toys
Any of those animals that to come home so going home all set up. Yeah, I had space. I'd get another
I just don't have space
There's a reason there's a lot of dogs in the filters because it's hard to find them 75 pounds of golden retrievers plenty
Yeah, yeah, we feature every morning. We've been featuring an adoptable dog in this morning. It was a dogo, Argentino
There those are big. I know they're a breed. They're a real breed. They're big boys
They're big boys big dogs are the best they adopted yet. Huh?
Has Simba been adopted yet?
I would have, I assume I would have heard about it had Simba been adopted.
But if you would like to check out Simba, we had a dog visit a couple days ago from them.
They brought in with the handlers.
His name was Simba.
But teal.gg slash adopt if you'd like to check out the adoptable animals from the shelter.
But alongside finding homes, financial donations are also very important because they do
Troutner new to release programs. They cover medical costs. They help, you know, improve
the facility itself. So a lot of things are going towards this organization, not only
finding homes, but, you know, lots of other supplementary stuff as well.
Absolutely. Every bit counts. And we appreciate every penny that's come through so far, hoping
we can still hit that 20 and then 25 K goal and even surpass it before mythic queen
and SREC goes down. Now, speaking of, I'm curious if either of you have any inklings
as to when or what day and what time mythic and SREC will go down. Now that we are in
the second reset, given just that very little bit of data and a couple bits or a couple
polls that we've seen, obviously liquid was pulling off stream, but those who are
watching ECHO would have seen their initial few polls to get a sense of how the phase,
first phase works but are we looking do we think that this is going to be a boss that takes you know
two three four days to go down this is actually reminding me a lot of mythic sarcara okay in terms
of like the length of the encounter and the difficulty of the mechanics i could see this
boss dying in three days yeah three or four days i'm going to say thursday night would be my guess
for selfish reasons i'm also going to say thursday night because i pressed your opinion
Friday like another like World of Warcraft show that like is you know
kind of tends to like crossover so Thursday night would be great I love
that you get a pass because it's in the wow universe exactly yeah yeah it was
another game I think I would get some flame and chat but no Thursday would be
cool and which is definitely a lot different than I think where a lot of
people initially thought that it was gonna end would you have any take
stash do you think well you know it's actually really funny and I well I
I may have said it on my stream somewhere, because there's no proof of this.
I actually was saying going into week one of the race that I thought it was a Thursday
week to kill.
But a lot of that came from honestly the fact that Heroic Week existed, which I think removes
a lot of the uncertainty about how much time will be spent out of the raid.
Yes, they're still having to do splits and spend some time to gear and ramp up
their characters.
Largely that gave me that you know the idea that they're gonna put the majority of their focus in time once mythic comes through on
Specifically that raid and then of course with the first four bosses falling over as quickly as they did
I just had a hard time believing that four bosses would take you know more than a week and a half to go now
When Kai Vezza came around that's when I started rethinking my own prediction
And I think like many people I was like well now are we going to a third reset if
Kivesa is not killable till the second reset immediately started reconsidering
that initial prediction but being able to get over that hurdle and then as we
talked about you know maybe 15 minutes ago the importance of that Silicon
Court kill last night made me think okay yeah we're back into that three
day kill window for the final boss you know whatever hours they spend on it
tonight and then two full days, Wednesday, Thursday.
So we got a bit of a treat here, actually.
We're back in Mythic.
We're done with splits.
Oh, hi.
Clearing trash to go to Mythic brood twister.
So we get to look at the loot they gave from these bosses,
see how long it'll take them to actually clear them.
So we get the lottery.
Hopefully quick.
Now, I had asked you the question
before we hopped on the couch about whether or not
they might make comp changes from their initial brood
twister composition because obviously it was very DK heavy.
But as soon as you get past Brute Twister,
we're getting rid of a lot of those DKs.
For at least the blood DKs, that is, right?
We had some DKs come back in for court.
My vision is so poor here.
Can you tell me?
Because your idea was, oh, we have a monitor right down
here.
Don't worry.
I've done this for a living for a long time.
But you had mentioned to me that you would expect,
if possible, they go in with their Ansarac Kill Comp
because you'd want all people in.
So if they believe Brood Twisters killable with their Ansurek Kill Comp,
they would go in with that as opposed to their original Brood Twister composition.
And to that end, we should mention to people who may not be aware,
there was a nerf to Brood Twisters specifically between phase one and phase two.
Each of the adds within the fight got a pretty substantial health nerf.
The majority of them sitting somewhere around 20% like 21% for one,
18% for another.
And I think that that will change, you know, a lot for a lot of the mid-tier guilds.
Obviously, Liquid with the new item levels is probably going to smash through it regardless of whether or not those nerfs came through,
but it should pretty much guarantee that we get through it in far fewer pulls on our Reclear.
Yeah, I think looking at this, Raid, if you are able to get all three of these bosses down in less than 10 pulls each,
you're extremely happy. Obviously, Brute Twister should be a one-shot.
Yeah.
that the other two, I mean, Princess Kavisa could easily be up to 50 if they just don't
have a clean pole. Hopefully it's not that many.
But you know what? Yeah, I do, I would generally expect Brewed Twister to be the one shot.
The one thing I can see is, randomly an assignment misses an egg break, right? And then we
can't recover from where the egg that was missed was for the, you know, the interrage
of the ground creeping in. But outside of that, I don't see many reasons why
they would wipe here on on brood twister now just over indexing on the aoe damage
uh the boss damage check in terms of the soften rage of of the ground creeping in probably shouldn't
even be a consideration they'll they'll kill it well before anyone's really leaping into
the bad to sacrifice themselves uh kai veza i think that one i'm curious about just because
From my perspective, I think item level and player skill of these top guilds is going to trivialize that fight.
Yeah, 100%. Now as I'm looking at them clear the trash, I did see that they cleared the trash to Kivus at first, and now we're going down to Brute Twister. This might just be another beauty clear.
Well, we'll still hold out hope here. We'll still hold out hope.
But regardless, even if it is just another trash clear, I mean, again, it speaks to the
closest of this race and how every little advantage could make the difference in the end between
a world first and a world second.
And it is much better to invest the time now in making sure you get that last point
one of an item level, you know, averaged across the raid,
then to get halfway through your Prague on Queen Ancerek
and then realize, uh-oh, we're undergeared.
Let's divorce from our Prague,
let's go spend hours doing, you know,
something else only to come back.
This looks like maybe we are.
Maybe we are, the health stones are down,
we're actually sitting in the raid now.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we're going for it.
We'll get some content, okay.
Let's go, let's go.
This would be a very long lip stroll if they didn't then now port out of the
reading that would actually so mean they throw out the soul stone full raid
buffs they drop a feast and then they just maids portal.
They're not above it.
Yeah, right.
Do something like that.
But yeah, I mean, if you're if you're just now tuning in, we're heading back
into mythic done quite a bit of optimization this morning, some BLE
farming, some splits.
Now we are back into mythic reclear.
Yes, it is a re clear. We are not extending. We did not extend our lockout. That is a question. We have got to stop asking
It's never happening again. It's been how many years?
Several dashes, many.
It was six years ago.
Yeah, what?
He stopped asking.
It's like a shot straight through my head every time I see the question.
Oh, yeah.
Triggering Xyro up here guy. He kind of just like his eyes roll back and he goes blank for a little bit every time that gets read out and
chat.
Stop doing it.
It's okay. It's in the past. You've got you've had time to recover. I'm good
We probably wouldn't be here if that if we won that race to be honest with you
Method might have been scared into not doing another race the world first event ever again. You're right. Oh, so we'll take it
Yeah, here you go. Okay. Yeah, thank you for the employment
I appreciate it. I owe your my career to that apparently
to that decision
Okay, well we're poking along. There's a lot closet out. We're getting our lock cookies
This is a very technical fight in terms of just the overall choreography, right for the entire raid
with
Getting the assignments
For which of the four eggs remember eight people are going to be chosen
We need two of those circles per egg
That is looking to be broken at any given moment. So I
I believe it's fired up, if I can remember correctly, who's responsible within the fight for dropping world markers?
They do it a little differently. They do four people each individually drop one marker. It'd be a lot of work for one person.
Oh, okay. Okay. So, okay. That was the point I was going to make next. It's also a huge individual responsibility fight.
Yeah.
Because they have a lot of players dropping those world markers. They need to make sure they do it every single set of head breaks for all nine of them in the fight.
And then not only that, but once they've broken the eggs,
they also have individual people focus marking
and kicking the worms that spawn.
So if any of those marks don't go off,
it could result in a missed kick,
which is one of the main things that'll white people ride,
as well as typhoon and evoker knocks
leading to the grips.
Okay, we did go back, it looks like, to all 40Ks,
looking at the composition here.
So feeling, I think the necessity of the grips
for the ads is probably hugely important here.
As well as maybe the consistency of the composition from week to week and saying hey look, let's not put ourselves in a position
Whereby changing the composition we end up missing something and having to repart a part of the fight, you know
I think the only thing you're missing out on here by swapping onto your blood decays and then bringing two other classes in for them
to cover the raid buffs is the
Potential for loot for your tanks if a leather piece drops and you can't use it
Then it pretty well. No, I guess the road could use it too. I don't know
It's it's a little scary
But as long as the loot is allocated to somebody else
It's okay to do because you really don't want to be hearing the tanks right they don't they don't need that much loot to stay
Alive unless it's a ridiculous fight like Kavisa, so
Think it should be okay
Yeah, you just want to get this time as quickly as possible to get to the harder fights then you can start
Putting time and pulls into answer
Doubt of doubt. Now to that end, I think that this just brings up, while we're still waiting for them to dive into this poll,
something that, again, from the viewer perspective that's been really cool to watch, has been the class and spec diversity within the race.
There's a separate discussion about class stacking, whether or not people like it or don't. I actually personally do like it from a racetrack first perspective.
I can see how it's problematic for guilds who sit below that level and don't have access to well
We can't just field for DK's, you know that maybe our roster doesn't support that but at the race level
It is it is so fascinating to watch that
Strategy unfold right for for the guild to come up against the hurdle on a boss and say the way we overcome this is to
Stack this specific class for this boss and then the next one they completely go the other direction, right?
by ditching all of one class and bringing in another.
And I've really appreciated the diversity
in classes and specs in this tier specifically.
And to have players with this skill
to be able to multi-class like that as well,
it's hard to feel, not just four DKs,
but four DKs that could also hop onto another character
and probably play it within the same level
or relatively close to that.
Yeah, can you see it look a little eepy?
And usually you'll have a big enough roster of Raiders
to where you can swap between Raiders
who are gearing different characters up to make that
but their roster size is actually really small this year, tier.
I think they're on 27 Raiders on their roster,
which might sound big if you're, you know,
in a casual guild with just a squad of 20 people that all play all the time,
but usually the roster for Liquid is somewhere in the room with 32-33,
so running lean at 27 is kind of scary.
You have to make sure you have all your bases covered,
and so far I think they've done a good job of that.
They pretty much had the best comp for every fight so far, so...
it hasn't really been a problem.
Alrighty, away we go.
First poll here on the re-clear for Brood Twister.
Hopefully a one-shot as we do expect.
Important to note that this arena is divided into three pizza slices, as I'll refer to them.
Now the raid itself does get to dictate which of the pizza slices the boss goes to in each of their phases.
And from that point of view, he goes to the jar,
activates that side, and then it's up to them to do three sets of egg breaks per pizza slice,
doing four eggs at a time, so 12 total per pizza slice, gripping in all the ads,
knocking in all the ads, keeping the interrupts up, while of course,
cleaving down the boss and resetting for that next group of ads. Once one pizza slice is
dealt with, once again they get to dictate which pizza slice the boss will go to next
by positioning the boss closest to the pizza slice they want to go to next.
And we even saw in their initial world first kill,
putting the boss close enough to dictate which pizza slice would go into,
but far enough that we maximize our damage in the travel time to the next jar.
And again, just looking for every ounce of damage.
They shouldn't have to do that as much this time around on the Reclear,
but second set of adds, perfect egg breaks, there go the grips,
And now it's going to be tons of AOECC dumping all that damage and looking for those kick assignments on those worms that you were talking about there as ironic.
You can see that three, four, those are the assignments.
They are looking for individual kicks to make sure none of the worm casts get off.
And of course we're trying to make sure all this time we don't want to let those worms infest anybody, right?
Oh God, the infest is just absurd.
There's a lot of damage.
Spons two more worms.
Of course no longer in the AOE causing a lot of problems.
But right, of course, the main crux on Mythic is that in each of these three slices, there's an empowered egg, right?
And you can choose throughout the fight, which order you want to do the empowers in.
Once you empower that type of ad, they're empowered for the rest of the fight.
Again, 50% HP, and a couple other nasty mechanics.
The parasites are faster.
The spider is doing necrotic damage to the tank, which makes them harder to be healed.
And the worms cast 100% faster.
So they leave the worms for last.
They do the parasites first because when you're aowing these ads down,
who cares if you overkill them?
Just do more damage to them.
Also, that 20% nerf you were talking about earlier,
making this fight pretty easy for them.
Most parasites are going down,
much quicker than during progression.
Absolutely melting, melting this boss at the moment.
So again, I think in this case,
it's going to be much more about just executing
on the mechanics and the consistency, right?
One missed egg, unfortunately,
could spell disaster for them
as that blue and black ground creeps in from the sides.
If they are to miss an egg
and the bat on the ground reaches it,
That's where the egg will spawn and ultra empower whatever ad comes out of the egg.
So there we have the reposition while still electing which jar and which pizza
slice the boss will go to next.
We're maximizing that travel time to the jar just to make sure every ounce of
damage comes through.
Making sure that therefore the enrage won't be an issue.
I don't think it would be an issue either way.
But hey, we're playing at the highest level here.
We leave nothing to chance.
Now, to point this out, at the end of this ingest Black Blood cast in progression, their
best ever push percentage was 69%.
Ah, the level is 62.
62 is a little bit stronger now than the last week.
We're doing alright.
We're doing alright.
But there's still a lot of one-shot mechanics you have to worry about, right?
If a tank is ever too low for the Volotel concoction, they could explode for way too
much damage on top of all of the other damage already going out on the raid.
So, we have to make sure our tanks are topped whenever that debuff expires.
the warm cats man they're still difficult to do especially on those triple warm sets at the end
of the fight pretty much no room to miss a kick at all one of those goes off it could easily spell
disaster so we're gonna be looking forward to that I think that's the main part of the fight
that they have a chance to wipe too but they save the bloodlust for that too so see how it goes.
So far so good that's first egg breaks on the second pizza slice repositioning here
for the second egg break on the second pizza slice we got the webs out that's a pretty
easy mechanic there go the assignments everybody making their way to their
chosen mark new ad phase we get the knock in things are looking clean so far
this is the first of those triple worm sets here of course these ones aren't
empowered they cast pretty slowly so it's got to make sure we get our three
person rotation on them the lockouts still work counter spell still six
second lockout just like it is in PDP so as long as they're able to get those
cakes they'll be fine it looks like just one worm left in children were
Are they cursive tonguesing on the third slice when they are empowered in order to slow those
casts back down?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
THD would not let a mob go uncursed, I guarantee.
He's got a giant Weco around the middle of his screen that says, target uncursed.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Where were the most deaths happening before reset, would you say, Zyro?
So there were two parts of the fight that they had an issue with.
Number one is this part of the fight.
Very little room in the room.
The circles to spawn the eggs are coming out, in addition to the webs coming out at almost
the exact same time.
So pretty much everyone has to deal with the mechanic.
Healers are really stressed for healing at that time, but looks like it wasn't that much
of an issue for them here.
There's also three of those empowered spiders just wailing on the tanks right now.
Even though those spiders HP were nerfed today, they still hit really hard.
They didn't nerf their damage.
So yeah, gotta keep an eye on the tanks here.
You can see one of them drop in very low there, but as a blood decay.
Pretty easily able to top them some life of a blood decay.
Oh yeah.
Now you had called out that 69% mark and I'm going to go from memory here, but going to the third jar, I'm not sure they ever went below 40% on their prog either.
So already we haven't even moved to the final pizza slice. That movement is happening now and we're hitting 38%.
So the numbers are there. We just need the cleanliness of this final three sets of egg breaks and the boss goes down.
See the marker's already out, where the ad breaks afterwards, gotta make sure we get there.
And of course, in this final phase, every single lot is empowered, everything has 50% more HP,
everything has their nasty extra mythic mechanic added on.
Okay, here come the X breaks.
Okay, the circle is scary, but they got there.
And then, of course, three empowered worms.
Extremely fast kicks. This is like the main proc point for them.
This is why they saved the Bloodlust for this spot.
This is the hardest egg break of the entire fight.
dead hey that makes things a lot easier yeah the kicks are good for them though
they're chilling looking fantastic there goes the second one down now we're
dragging the boss over to the third and final in this set of eggs looking at that
fifth kick marker quick kicks like you're talking about not leaving
anything to that last second just get the kicks out the ads will go down and
now we repositioned once again for this next set of a breaks two sets to
go boss at 22%. I mean, honestly, they might kill the boss during the final set of A to
this point. I mean, the big thing about this fight on progression was dealing with the ad
sets as quickly as possible. So you would actually have some downtime to just hit the
boss. They've had that between every single exit on this first pull here. And that was
something they didn't have during progression at all. First out of the fight on Trill,
on the Windlocker Monk, he has been playing that much recently. He's been focusing
on PPP actually for AWC this weekend so yeah. Oh I felt I felt it for Trill when
when he came in for Kaiveza who we'll be going to next right I mean they were
already maybe hundred poles deep into into Kaiveza and I just can't imagine
what that's like as a player. Well again we all know how incredibly skilled
all of them are to come in at this level but being that many poles behind
everybody else just in terms of you know feeling the fight out. That's a
pressure that I don't really ever want to experience but I can so I can so
appreciate again the skill level of these players that they can come in
having watched it of course over the shoulders of everybody else and still
seamlessly you know in a lot of ways you know work their way into the
strategy for any given boss.
Trill built Diffie.
For real.
He even has been playing I mean he's been practicing obviously for AWC and I know one of the nights I think he may even been after the
kill for Princess Gaveza. He got all the way to 2,500 in three. Just a quick run to 2,500
with his arena buddies. Yeah, a quick little jump in the ladder. There it is. The boss
is probably going to die before the room is even filled here. I'm going to say textbook
from them. Right at this point, as soon as that final worm goes down, they may reposition
the boss. They will do it just to this final triangle space here that the raiders
have in order to get the boss down, but under 4% already,
nine minutes on that encounter timer.
And Brud Twister looks to go down in pretty clean fashion,
just that one death still with a battle res to spare.
But they're not even going to have
to be in the position they were when they got
to kill the first time, where essentially people
are sacking themselves into the bad with those webs,
just to make sure that they don't
int the rest of the raid.
Brud Twister goes down.
We got another syringe.
I'm trying to see if there's any big loot
Don't think there's any
Super important varier is the drop from this boss. What was the tier piece that we got is that mystic mystic?
The mystic yeah mystic effigy could be another fired up piece there
Yeah, you're up there already insanely geared page. You didn't top the boss damage there, too. Yeah checking that
Yeah, it's PI so it's
That's really good
I mean this is a boss that, there are individual mistakes we talked about already, that could
wipe you, so it's good to see that they still flex in the muscles, get in the one shot down.
I mean just the idea that this was 120 pull boss last week, and now it's a one pull boss
for them.
I mean that alone has to feel good and energizing, now you're staring down your 300 plus pull
world first kill on Kai Vezza.
I'm a little nervous a bit, this one could take a while, it could also be super
quick.
Over under, let's do it.
Okay, you first
I'm not going for
What's my number? Yeah, we can also say it on the count of three simultaneously. I have a conditional
Prediction now that's my well my condition is whether they want or to tank it
Fair okay, because I think if they if they one tank it
I'm actually gonna set the line higher funnily enough interesting because the one tank in my opinion has less margin for error
right at a certain point if DPS just start dying you you ruin the strat because
you need at least some of those reses for the tank itself now granted their
item level the the gear that they have at this point just might make it so that
they don't have those errant deaths you know random Queensbane takes someone
down to 9.9 last week now it only takes them down to 10.5 and they live
okay fine but I would actually say it takes a more than one poll if they
stick with the one tank but I think their gear and damage output is good enough
now they could go back to a more consistent quote-unquote two-tank
strat where it's okay now if a DPS dies not ideal but if a DPS dies because we
can spend our battle reses on those DPS because we don't necessarily need to
reserve them for the tank and in that case I think that they just kind of
skate through. Okay and those are great points. Yeah I kind of would like to
Let's see if they're 1 or 2 tanking also.
Are they keeping Trill in the fight?
Let's see.
That would be a good indicator.
That's a good indicator, right.
1 or 2 tanking Trill is still in the top 20 right now.
Let's see him in group 2 there, so.
Yeah, yeah.
They might be going for the 1 tank yet again.
Are they also going straight to Princess Kivesa?
Are they going to Polar?
Are they going to go back to...
Yeah, I guess you're right.
I see the stuff.
I see no reason not to keep going once you've killed the first boss, because
Part of the reason they stopped at 4 of 8 is because that's when the most trash is available for you to BOE farm.
Once you've killed Brood Twister, the trash leading to Brood Twister no longer spawns, so you're depriving yourself of half of the trash that drops BOEs.
Keep going now, kill the rest of the bosses. There's no reason to leave them up anymore.
They can still go juice up and do the rest of their hero exploits afterwards if they really feel like they need to.
But I also wonder like have they sent all their crest upgrades yet have that you know because again with these couple bosses still to go down they might say hey don't don't send your crest upgrades there might be a couple you know mythic upgrades still coming in for some people.
So it's really hard to know if they're even kind of at their maximum power level right now.
That's a good point. This is also a spark week too. Hi Sammy.
Sammy.
Oh she wants up.
You come on up.
My dog might get jealous.
Oh, no, we'll see. Oh my goodness. If Azula sees you sitting next to me like this, we might have a problem. Oh, here she comes
Yeah, it was sparkly. So
You could craft another 636 item with your spark that costs 90 gilded crests
I'm not sure if that would be better than upgrading for some of the players though. Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure either doing
But that's
Again speaks to just one of the other incredible things about the development of the world first race, right?
the amount of support that these teams have where luckily for a lot of these players they also don't have to figure out
What is best for them, right? You know they there's you know
There's some really incredibly intelligent people behind the scenes who are saying, you know, okay
We've done the math. This is your best upgrade
This is the way you get the most damage and the most damage for the fight that we're looking to proc right because your
Decisions can change what they've got like the bubble button
I don't know what it is right. They send all their data to Bubba. Yeah, can I get when the race is over?
Can I get that button for my vault when I get the vault?
Can I send my data to Bubba and he tells me what to choose?
You know all the analysts I need that that game just to tell me exactly I don't like making choices
I just want to press my buttons. No, I play swipe play DPS. Yeah. Yeah fair enough
I'm all over the place right now. So I I would say historically. I'm a healer main
I started playing day one vanilla
all the way back. I was in seventh grade at the time and I played Holy Paladin for 15 years,
like for most of my wild career. But it was BFA, Nyalotha. Friend and I came back after
a little hiatus and we just joined some random mythic raiding guild. They needed a shadow
priest. I said, I guess I'll learn how to play shadow priest. He played Resto Druid
And I was just like, okay, I'll learn how to push out a priest played that for Niolotha and then after that I
played rest of I swapped to rest of Druid and joined a
friends mythic guild that was progging in Nathria
And they needed a couple people to fill but they did not need a healer. They needed a DPS
So I swapped a boomkin
Okay, I played a good old venthyr boomkin where you get your 30 second window of doing the most damage in the raid
and then you slowly fall back below the tanks.
And that was what I did all through Nathria.
Unfortunately, we missed CE by like point,
we wiped 0.3% on Sire.
And I would have been,
if Max was doing those Race to World Last viewing streams,
it probably would have been my guild that he's watching.
And unfortunately, we missed it that year.
But I was boomkin for a little bit.
Anyway, nowadays, I would say Prott Warriors, my main.
It's kind of crazy.
You really have been all over. All right. And then I'm playing on mage and shadow priest behind that. Okay. Okay. Yeah
Good choices. Yeah
I'm playing a lot more casually nowadays though. So that's why I don't feel the need to like specialize and like really know one class super
Well, I'm more of a mythic plus enjoyer now and then I get my raid enjoyment by by watching
First-ing going yeah, I'll never be able to do that. Yeah, they should definitely do it this way though instead
Maybe have they thought about that?
doing what I don't know I'm just I'm just doing like a chatting thing where
they're okay you know China backs eat some of the race world first Raiders but
in other news also method is on there I believe their last poll of the night I've
been kind of oh my god you imagine would say honestly I really genuinely did want
them to get the I want them to get it right now I'm rooting for them to get
this kill right now but yeah I just have so much respect for the tenacity of
those players to be awake right now pushing for that kill because again what
it represents and how important it would be to them still being a horse in this race, right?
You know, I think if they actually get, if they were to get the kill right now, I would
maybe start to reinsert them as a dark horse, a long shot for sure.
But I don't think, I think if they can't, if they don't get it tonight, then I would
say, all right, it really does feel like it's, you know, it's echo liquid at this
point and we'll see method next year.
I think they literally ran out of time because it's 2.50 AM there.
Right.
The server's got to go down at some point.
Yeah. Yeah, so this and they got to get to bed and they got to get to bed exactly.
It's it's it's sleepy time for them for sure.
So it's very unfortunate.
I mean, just do you want to like highlight Zyro just kind of expand like how detrimental
do you feel like this is for a method if they're not able to get this on their pull?
I think at this point, it might be more mental as a detriment.
Obviously, it'd be really nice to get the loot from the boss.
Those four pieces, there are extremely important pieces that drop from the boss
that you could get in your in your great vault next week.
It might also be like the sixth slot for some of the characters too, which I don't
want the third tier of the mythic great vault, which would be another chance at a really
good piece.
But really just going that late in the morning and not being able to get a boss kill, that
your two closest competitors have also gotten, especially in a tier where you've kept it
a three horse race for a long time, it's got to feel pretty bad for them.
The race isn't over yet, but this is a pretty big downswing for them.
They've pulled ahead of Echo several times.
They've been in that second place position, and while being on the same schedule essentially
as Echo.
had the best here that we've seen since probably Niolothe for these guys. I mean, they're just
playing out of their minds and it's unfortunate that like when it really counted, it seems
like they're not able to pull together. They're still at 40% for this last pull of the night.
I assume everyone alive. Everyone is alive. They've got a battle rose. They've got lust
as well. I mean, they're, they're, they're looking okay.
I look at the thing about the thing about court, right? I mean, I know that they've
had a 1% pull. So obviously they've got it in kill range. But the thing about court
is like we were saying, it went from being unbelievably killed,
like sitting at 35, kind of being like from a viewer,
again, from the viewer perspective going like,
ah, this doesn't look possible too.
As soon as someone gets it below 10,
you're like, oh, this is absolutely doable.
And so, perfect pull, that's all you're looking for.
You're just looking for the perfect pull.
It is a huge choreography fight, right?
And I think that's the big thing about it,
that once you find that consistency as a raid team,
where you're kind of moving as two generally to cohesive units
like it's an interesting dance of a fight uh... and i do wonder what it's like
as a player uh... uh... this fight how it feels to kind of
being those two separate entities and then but still having to work together
you know like it's an interesting dynamic that they've created with the
silkencourt fight
sorry
the first one of the two weeks for me there
uh... yeah it's actually really interesting fight is part of the
reason a lot of people thought it was going to be one of the hardest fights they've ever made.
Turns out it was tuned like really well. I mean I memed and said it was 999 pulls because I thought
it was just going to be a fight that was a buggy mess, but credit to Blizzard it was a very very
very interesting fight and the myth mechanic. Although not as hard as we thought it was
initially going to be it's still extremely unique in terms of wild encounters that we've seen
in the past 10 years. We really haven't had anything like it and that's really hard for them
to do nowadays. A lot of fights they come up with are kind of just mashups of other
fights they've done throughout the years. And it's really cool what they've done with this fight.
I think the thing about the mythic mechanic on this fight is that it's, well, you could maybe
say this about every mechanic, so maybe I'm defeating my own point here, but before I even say it,
but it feels like one of those mechanics that, you know, the top tier guilds, once they find a
strategy for it, they aren't going to struggle with it too much, right? Because of how well
thought out the strategies are because of how well disciplined the players are
which I think is actually one of the major things that maybe we don't talk
about enough is that the discipline of these players to stick to the given
strategy their assignments in the arena at any one moment pull after pull it's
so easy to get lazy we all know this you're you know you're doing your
heroic re-clear even if you're not a mythic raider when you're you know
once you've done a fight or you feel like you're 12 pulls into something
you start letting things slip I'll just stand here instead of stand here
Oh, I'll try and greed this cast instead of not greed this cast in dodge the mechanic these guys
Have to stick to those plans, but when they do
The plan is so good that it makes the mechanic not look so difficult, but I bet you you know you take a
500 the world 500th gale guilds even if you gave them the same blueprint that liquid head
It's not gonna look nearly as clean right finding that consistency is gonna be very difficult. What happened?
I have to... 2.98
2.98?
They've got time for me, no, it's...
Oh, that's like a gimme at that point.
Blizzard, just mulligan.
Give me... give me...
Man...
Oh, that sucks.
Oh...
Other servers actually look hard going down at three?
Can they pull it in?
How could you... how could you not pull it in?
I would pull again!
Send it, send the pull timer.
Go, go, go, go!
Back time, they've got... they've got their buffs.
Yeah, I dare you to take the servers down while they're in the middle of a pull, Blizzard.
I dare you.
No, I got I want them to get it. So I got an ad.
Can someone get any gift?
Sorry, we're we're supporting the guilds.
We're right. We're at ad revenue right there.
That's supporting the race to world first.
That's what we need to see.
We've got some amazing sponsors over here
on the team liquid stream, but support for all these guilds
is what's going to help make it a more competitive race in the future as well.
Yeah, subscribe using Twitch Prime if you don't want the ads.
I just take my own advice, but I already used it this month.
But yeah, really unfortunate.
We'll keep everyone tuned in, of course.
It might not be a hard cutoff in four minutes.
Based on their chat, it kind of seems like they might be taking another poll.
But yeah, if they can get over that mental hurt,
I like your sayings, Iro.
Maybe they could continue to be as competitive as they were last week
into this next week, because it's just been such a competitive tier so far.
The the raid itself has been so much fun to watch, of course.
And I love when we get
I was really expecting this and we are doing mythic plus
What why are we not doing a womp womp? I don't know
I'm trying to our people not
Crest max for the week that might be it
Right because you don't get the new maximum unlocked until the reset
But how many crests do you get per boss kill in raid?
It's 15.
So you get two from 15 from Silicon Court on heroic.
15 from Silicon, sorry, from.
Answer that.
15 from all the mythic bosses they've killed.
So you get one.
So if you're in for everything, you get them.
But obviously with some comp swaps,
maybe they're hunting for their last 15 crests
or something to send the upgrades.
Because I can't think of any end of dungeon loots
that at this point would be much of an upgrade just because item level wise like most of what they're wearing is got to be above the maximum end of dungeon item level
Yeah, the only thing I could think of would maybe be like an RFR sac route from this particular dungeon
That's it
The reason I think of it, it's a good secondary trinket for a lot of the classes. I don't think DH do you think?
He's got a magic ring
He's swimming in gear right now
And a sponge
He's not eating
And has been this whole time as well as he likes to remind us frequently
I would suspect that the Sevii Evoker is the one that's being the beneficiary of that.
That is a relatively new character that they decided to gear up last week.
That's a great call because he's been one of the most active swappers, right, between the Resto Shaman and the Evoker.
So yeah, perhaps just trying to hunt a final piece here for Zevi to make sure he's all set up for that answer at kill.
also confirmed method looks to be done reasonable reasonable tragic but
reasonable call reasonable get some sleep yeah I go get that much deserved and
much needed rest hopefully hey look it's not over until it's over right
hopefully they come back tomorrow a little fresh refresh they do their
splits and they're gonna smack silken court and that might just be enough
for them to say hey we're feeling good the good news for a guild like
method actually. While they weren't able to take down Silkencourt, somebody else was
and gave them data on Queen Ancerek, right? At least they're able to look at those few
polls that Echo did online and on stream to at least gather some initial data on P1.
Would you prefer to do it yourselves? Absolutely. But you're at least not working with nothing.
Them not killing the boss is certainly not nearly as bad as it would have been if
Liquid didn't kill the boss last night.
Because there's no one to get the data for them as it stands right now.
Like, I know they didn't stream their polls.
They're not really going to get any information from them.
They'd be going into their looting today completely blind on what they need for answer XO.
Yeah.
It's good that Liquid got it.
Sad that method didn't get it, but like you said, plenty of time left in the race.
While we're talking about other guilds outside of Echo and Liquid though,
we haven't really given a lot of attention to the other guilds below them.
And with the reintroduction of the Chinese region into the scene,
They've been stepping up with a lot of guilds from China in the top 10.
We've got Hotpot Hero in that forward slot.
They were kind of the ones who showed off the
yo-wee farming strat before the first boss.
That's why they were so much higher item level than every other guild for the first week.
Jizun Hong's been in the race for forever.
Like, they are a long-standing guild of the race.
They've been top 10 for the past, like, ten tiers of them in the guild.
So they're good to see them back up there.
Z-Box is a new guild,
but it's kind of returning in the sense that they used to be Skylar.
Ah, okay, I was about to say, I don't recognize that name, but Fat Shark, yes, and Instant Dollars, of course,
are our two mainstays in that top ten quite often in the race.
And of course, there's also a 4th Chinese Guild, and the myth is also from the China region,
so I'm glad we didn't back in the fold.
Yeah.
They have a lot of good guilds, a lot of good players.
Hopefully they can step up the game in the next couple of raid tiers and compete with the top.
So, interesting to note, Scott is playing in arachnophobia mode.
I have not personally turned that on me to I've now I haven't even seen what it looks like so
There's actually a reason to turn it on so yeah, I know
Brute twister over no way what the spider the spider ads are huge
But if you turn on a rectifobia mode, they become a lot smaller
So it's easier to see the swirls on the ground to dodge them
Does it change their actual hitbox though? Well, it just
Just change the model size. Okay, but yeah, no, I mean anything you can do to reduce clutter, right?
when there's so many stacked mechanics, mechanics rather on top of each other.
Can't be very valuable.
Indeed, if you're just now tuning in, we did some re-clearing, we went on Brew Twister before heading into Princess Kaiveza.
We retained a little bit of a break, but some nice relaxing Mythic Plus and some Arakara.
I don't know if I would call plus 10 relaxing.
Maybe it is for them, but like Mythic Plus keys are an hour, no joke.
What do you mean?
For pugs specifically, some of these dungeons are demonic.
Yeah!
Things like the third boss and necrotic wake just completely destroying groups.
I mean, Mythic Plus has gotten so much harder to do over the years with how much...
It almost seems like they're overloading trash with mechanics.
There's so many picks you need to know about.
So many CC chains that should be kind of studied to actually figure out the bigger pulls.
Mm-hmm.
It's pretty hard for pugs.
Oh, without a doubt. I was gonna say, I mean, but that is the difficulty, right?
you have to find some balance or if you're on the balance team you have to you have to index
towards players that have you know set push teams you know who play at the highest level and then
you've got your your players who just want to log in keel into a dungeon and run with a pug and
you're gonna to balance the dungeon for both extremes and everyone in between is is not a task
that I envy. But absolutely the number of kicks that are out there nowadays is brutal
to have to try and deal with in a pug.
Do you have a favorite dungeon? You're an M plus guy. You said best.
Do you enjoy so far?
In the current set of dungeons, you know what's funny is I actually do like, I personally
like necrotic wick.
Okay.
I think part of it is where I might still be thinking of it of old but like I love some of the massive
polls you can do up in the what we call that the ziggurat up when you go up and you're in that room
the one thing I hate is just how much the extra spawning packs up there. I feel like we could
remove those you know how those two extra packs spawn on the sides afterwards I feel like we
can remove those and the dungeon would just feel a lot more streamlined and nice but I do
like the opportunity you have, especially playing a Pratt Warrior, to kind of go for
some really insane polls upstairs, you know, grouping up just an absurd number of ads and
trying to, you know, absolutely obliterate them. So there's fun elements to that dungeon.
It can also be one of the most painful when people don't get things right, you know.
Even the second boss can be incredibly punishing with the breath, you know, and things like
that or if people don't understand the hook mechanic on the third boss and all
of a sudden you got three abominations and you're like please somebody just grab
this guy and get him down I think you know it's also I actually don't mind
stone vault at all I kind of like it aesthetically I like having some
semblance of options while ultimately you're just choosing to go one fork
like one direction in the fork and then you go back and go the other
direction. Having that choice is nice even if it is almost a fake choice because you're
going to have to do both. So this is probably my first two that I would call out from this.
I like miss aesthetically and thematically. That one gets old after you've run it a million
times because doing the maze and I'm one of the people that doesn't, I know there
used to be an add-on, I don't know if it still exists that it like solves the
maze for you but I'm like one of those
stickers like now we got to do the
mechanic that can get a little brutal
your 20th time running that dungeon
like oh my god we got it we got it
wrong we got ported back
fortunate to miss used to be really bad
with a certain affix that's things like
spiteful that prevented you from going
through the fog right just don't
combat so yeah just sit here and wait
you know I will say one one element
of that dungeon that I don't love it
such a minor thing I don't really
love being gated by RP and while you don't technically get gated because you can mount
run up back through the maze and down that ramp to save time after the the butterfly boss
technically like that's just annoying to do like to have to min max by mounting and convincing
your whole party to run to save five seconds is not you know it's a little cheesy I'd rather just
let us jump down you know like we killed the boss let us jump down little tiny things like that
I would fix but so it's safe to say you weren't too big spires of Ascension
Actually no not that element, but I will say I was playing boomy during that at that time
That was the dungeon. I felt like I had the best understanding of my cooldown usage from start to finish while while
Yes, exactly what you're talking about. I didn't love some of those rp elements
There was something about that dungeon that season that I just felt like I understood and I every time I went into it
All my I felt like I was always lining up my cooldowns well to get big burst on the boom cannon
And that is rewarding as a player when you feel like you have mastery
Over the dungeon didn't find that mastery with every mythic plus
that year
Interesting news sorry for the back and forth, but it's still going dude. Yeah
Never say die. Yeah, they're going DJ an hour is this gamer hours, dude
That's they're playing for the win. I right that's what that tells me they're playing for the win. I'm here for it
Yeah, but in the meantime over here, we're just gonna cruise through some m plus
Hang out with the dogs on the sofa over here
She looks okay. She's trying to be close
She's left
I don't know if she might think she doesn't... won't fit.
You can totally fit, I believe it.
Okay, well, did we get what we're hunting for here?
Got a little bit left to go, hopefully we did.
I just heard the sound, and I got excited when I heard the boss.
I don't know why people have that sound bite on for middle bosses on the Mythic Plane.
That's kind of weird, right? I heard that, and I was like, dungeons over!
Strange.
I've got some.
This is funny.
I know, yes, now you are getting jealous.
That's okay.
Oh no.
Oh, thank God.
You're whipping the equipment.
Azula.
Sit the booty on the ground, Azula.
I was like out of here first.
So question on Queen Answer, and this is very just...
What's the word I'm looking for?
I know that we don't have the answer, but...
We noticed by watching Echo's initial polls that the Soaks that they have,
on Heroic it's two Soaks at a time, it's always two.
Each time the Soaks come out, it's plus one.
Do we know if there's a cap to the number,
or will it just keep scaling plus one until you get out of phase one?
Because neither Guild has technically made it to phase two yet.
I'm not sure I mean so in heroic the push on the boss is determined by one of two things right it's either a
Time-based based thing so the boss will automatically face to the intermission at 240 ish 230 230
Or it's percentage based so if you push the boss to 35% it'll auto go to the intermission
That 230 timer is right after the third froth
So so we can only have a max unless it casts more off
Yeah, unless unless it costs more often on mythic than it should go two than three than four
And then the last one they have to do the face will be four of those circles of silk
Which is still pretty scary. That's crazy. You're taking double damage than they are on the first one. So
We'll see hopefully today. We'll see is that livable like that's I'm starting it. I mean
Hopefully right. I don't know how many externals and personals they're stacking. Yeah
Plan well, let's see if we can get a little bit more insight onto the plans that they do have
we're going to head to a monster energy listening.
9 to 70 slow.
Is that a level?
Rescue.
Yeah.
You could shift, right?
Yeah.
I'll shift.
Not a problem.
You can do that during the feast on Inserate too.
Yeah, you just shift.
Yeah, amazing.
Wow, this guy gets 35.
Oh fuck.
I wonder why.
Because he stuns you on ground.
It's a good mob.
It's a good mob.
I love it. I'm playing classic.
Wow. Yeah, this is sick.
He just stuns the whole group.
The male is the tank.
This is literally...
Yeah, wait a second.
Bang.
Wow.
What's he doing next? No way.
No way.
There's the stun.
I'm just going to hold everything for the boss.
hold everything for the boss
lulmo
spymaster
i'll be optimistic here
gonna give the stacks for the boss
that's right
surely these guys aren't dangerous
i'll bolt like she
oh shit
i need everybody to make me a weak role
like we have for the feast
except whenever you drop a vortex it's just in everyone
i like trashes and tank you know
tank you know. Yeah. For some degree.
It's not as far as it's going to be.
Oh, they smell myself every time.
So. I didn't get out of the room.
I might be able to shift in.
I thought you'd kind of change the direction for these anymore.
Whatever. Yeah.
It's to just be turned on your camera.
This hand warmer has been in my bucket for a while and it's starting to burn.
It might explode. Yeah, it's pretty standard with them.
How do you know when the hand warmers done visit like go it stops being used goes cold
Okay, I wasn't sure if the explode part meant it was done or no
That probably means it's done as well
Yeah, man, that could be a sign of early done
Nice
What a disaster.
I'm missing 13.
Wait, I can...
You can move up Rund.
Yeah, I already moved up Rund.
Oh, I can move up Calf Rund
and then Rund to...
Missing 3.
How do you move them up? Is it just a...
Yeah.
Careful, fire it up. You want me to guide you to buying the right one?
Am I going to mess this up?
You couldn't fuck it up really bad.
Yeah, you can accidentally go
gilded into Round.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's...
I'm not upset.
I need three. How do I get three?
Because I reckon it's the way to get requests
to make it once.
What did you say?
There's an easy way to tell how to get the requests.
Don't make activity that's other enough key.
I have nothing.
I'm not in on this guy.
Oh.
Uh, so come...
Yeah, I guess.
Actually, something would be good, yeah. Good call, man.
Yeah.
I thought, okay, Bazar, I didn't think fast enough though.
Following us, okay.
I can't do nothing. I can't do nothing. I can't do anything.
Who the fuck goes there, huh?
We didn't get the...
Who goes there?
I mean, I can sit over there, it needs to think about it right after this.
I think Ruinz is already in a group. He's in a forming group.
Oh, dang, pod.
Dude, they're actually sitting at the servers down.
We're gonna log in before reset. Hopefully there's no extension
Your arrows aren't used to the
I guess we're coming in from behind one more. How do you actually stop that fear?
Don't be that night
They'll hit the tree
Yeah, the other guy's taking no damage zero
Yeah, basically
Thought he was like I thought his health went to
I've been doing this fight wrong I mean I knew there was an amp or whatever here but I thought it was
I thought it was like shared health or some shit piece of damage
I first put on the head queens what does it give the boss and boss gets a same buff
I don't know.
There's a boss, too, with mastery.
I don't know.
Leech?
Leech, oh god.
There's probably some boss.
No, there's probably at least one boss that just, like, leeches to fold from some weird
interaction.
That definitely looks loved.
How'd you do that?
You know, I just never did Mythic Plus until Dragon.
Stop expelling me.
Ever.
Oh, this can expell you?
He'll stop that.
Expelled.
I don't think they work with the z-axis
They got z-axis because they tested it. How do you know where to go? How do you know where to go?
We saw her go through good lord man. Yeah
Well if you eat some of these it spells for me man play a range boss
It is lift.
Oh, and welcome back everybody from the Monster Energy Listen in here at the Race to the World first presented by Coinbase.
Just taking a look. We're in chill mode right now as the Raiders are diving into their respective Mythic Plus grimes.
Hypothesizing that they're fishing for those last important upgrades.
You know a trinket here, an item level there.
Maybe one or two people need just those crests to send an upgrade,
but at the very least just looking to eke out those final upgrades before they commit
to the remaining bosses there in Mythic for the Reclear and the eventual Prague on Queen Ansaric.
Yeah, we were kind of questioning what the reasoning behind doing exactly this right now might be,
but it really might just be as simple as they're still kind of worried about Nexus Princess a little bit,
So why not go for maximum upgrades before we go back to that boss remember that is that has been the hardest boss of the
Raid by far, right?
It's you're gonna have a lot of the problems you had during progression here, especially if they go for the one tank still
Yeah, so I'll even add on to that. I think well absolutely
I'm
Kaives are right for every little bit that we can get to make that fight that much easier and keep it in single-digit
Pulse as opposed to creeping up into double digits, but I think it also speaks to
they're perceived difficulty of Queen Anne's wreck to a degree right because
once again I feel like once you get through Cavesa on to Silkencourt and at
that point you really want to be just on the home stretch right I have a hard
time believing they'd want to stop down unless they absolutely need to at that
point for a specific upgrade or a comp change and otherwise just at that point
drive to the finish yeah you definitely don't want to be breaking
any time on progress, unless you're grabbing food or go on to sleep for sure.
True, and the food here is definitely worth stopping for, I won't tell you that much.
100%
Of course they want to spend as much time as possible on the raid.
We love to fight a hero.
Well hey look, hey, they're in miss. We were talking about miss and luckily for them
there are no affixes that are going to trap them in the maze for too long here.
So as long as they've got the quick solve, all these players just absolutely,
with two DKs as well going to be dunking the AoE damage, but I'm not jealous of Driney right now watching those health bars
Yeah, you just have to not pay attention to blood DK health bars, you know, they do that as long as they're so panic-inducing
Yeah, it's the runic power bar. You really gotta watch what she's not watching it all surprisingly
Is he not even tracking the DKs runic power? Okay, the little DK died. Well, they were out of runic power
Is your answer?
Hopefully they don't wipe here. That's gonna be a big time loss
That's true because it was a big, big pull.
Well they didn't get the checkpoint.
Oh, the seed!
Yeah.
Well, so actually remind me, and I've already forgotten, because obviously back then it was based on your covenant, right?
You had to be night-fake covenant to do a lot of the specific things.
What did they change? They changed it.
Now it's, is it herbalist or is it based on your race?
So they changed a couple of things.
Okay.
So the initial skip at the start of the key plus the wall that unlocks like the mushroom area mushroom to get your buffs
That's all now based off of either race or class
So like druids can open it
Herbalist can open it there a couple of the things I can't think of off the top of my head high mountain Toran
Okay, and should be able to open it as well
Also, yeah, and also they changed it so that anybody can click on the checkpoint now. Okay. Well, then that's an excuse
So they just didn't click on it.
We're inting!
We lost a bunch of time for no reason.
Yeah, for real, for real.
Time is everything right now. The boss has got to go down.
It's a really good point. It's a really good point.
You don't want to be the last Mythic Plus group, right?
Everybody else is done with their Mythic Plus runs,
and they're like,
Driny, Atlas, where you guys at?
They're like, oh, well, we're wiping in MIS currently.
They're wiping.
Oh, no!
We're all dungeon.
Oh, no, okay.
Well, here's a clear.
It's true, they're not doing it.
All right guys, click the acorn on the way through. Also, for those of you who don't know, there's some really fun, there's the warlock skip in this dungeon.
Look it up on YouTube if you don't know about it, but it's a phenomenal skip in this one. Of course, there's the skip here, typically done through an incapacitate and a ring or any number of things, even a mind sooth on this closest ad that they're approaching.
lets you skip one of the most atrocious trash packs in this whole dungeon.
And then a tip for those of you who are entering into the maze for the very first time and
don't have that cheeky add-on that might help you solve it on its own, just watch
the butterfly.
On that very first, you don't have to solve the puzzle on the very first room.
Just look which missed door she walks through and you can just follow her through that
missed door.
I don't know if the hunter poles are still possible.
Yeah, you can still pull through the wall.
For the wall? Okay.
So there's a lot of interesting things in this dungeon that you can do.
Yeah, there are a lot of interesting things you can do here.
And now they're doing the mazen correctly.
I informed Verani. I just texted him on Beemet.
Anybody can click the nut.
Oh my gosh.
What are they doing?
Why don't you just go over there and tell them maybe?
Just let them know?
No.
This is more fun.
You know what? You're right. You're right.
This is more fun.
Um, off-topic. What is that dragon somebody behind me has? It's really cool-looking.
Oh.
Huh.
What is going on?
Do we just, do we port into a weekly no-leaver? Where are we at now?
Oh man.
What's going on?
I think this is a pug group. I don't think, I don't think these are world first raiders
here.
Usually the saying is that mythic plus skills don't translate into raid very well,
but we're seeing the opposite of that here.
12 minutes left to go. Not looking like a timed key at this point, but we can still
finish it. And we can get that loot.
They still have hope. I believe in them. So I like how every time we tune in to Driney's
camera, he just sinks lower and lower into his chair. He's kind of propped up right
now, but a little bit ago. I can only see the tip of his head.
He's in the zone.
Yeah. Yeah. But in the meantime, we're seeing a lot of the raiders kind of get up,
grab a snack, get some refreshments before they go back in to the grind.
Nearing, uh, it's up 630 local time here.
So kind of towards the evening, Heidi's making dinner.
I don't know if you guys already talked about this.
Uh, we talked, we just briefly, I mentioned, because we mentioned that
really the only thing you'd ever want to stop your progression for once you
are into that mythic answer progression would be things like food breaks.
right and i and i mentioned that the food here is definitely worth stopping
for definitely i don't i didn't look at the menu though do we know what what
dinners i looked at it this morning and now i forget what it is i could smell it
smells good zed plus something well why don't i just tune in to chef
heidi l.a.'s twitch stream and see what she's cooking up i can
hear her yapping in there see yeah this morning she made cinnamon rolls
Oh, they were insane. I showed up early. I showed up. I was like, I'm gonna have half. But I had to.
How quickly half turns into two. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Alternatively, I think we spiraled.
I think in our team liquid chat, you can type exclamation point breakfast, lunch or dinner.
And oh, and just get the menu. Whoa. They thought of everything here. Or exclamation chef. And
you can be linked to Chef Heidi's stream also. They have get in there. Look at what she's
cooking up over there but yeah there's really been a nice shift I think in the last couple of years
with this guild in particular obviously can't speak for the other ones in terms of like mental
health getting your sleep getting your nutrition it seems to have worked out pretty nicely for them
I feel like the vibes especially this year have really stayed pretty mellow and hype this whole
time this whole tier. I think that yeah they've looked good again from the outside looking in and
I've had the fortunate privilege of being able to hop between the mainstream to get your guys' perspective
but then to occasionally hop into Max's to kind of hear what the actual discussion at any given moment is.
It looks like Johnny did go down, but the boss health might be low enough that they can do this sans healer.
They've got Blood Decay, they've got a Frost Decay, they've got a Red Paladin.
The only person that might go down is the hunter.
The hunter, those poor hunters.
I felt so bad during Kaive as a prog watching those poor hunters
just run out of options.
You know, you're just like, poor king.
Even before King Fly got subbed, I was like,
well, Arcus and King Fly just so often,
they're actually speaking to the me
listening behind the scenes at what,
when they did decide to make that swap,
they were deciding between multiple classes.
It wasn't a certainty that a hunter would get subbed out.
And then I believe it was tags,
I believe, who went and looked at healing requirements for each of the classes throughout
polls and he had done some quick maths and found that the hunters were requiring 30% more
healing than any of the other classes.
The dragons were kind of, they were thinking about maybe dropping a Devavoker funnily enough,
but then as soon as they heard the, oh no, hunters take 30% more healing, sorry,
we're dropping down to 100 at this point.
Dropping a Devavoker would have been a huge misplay because as we saw from the logs and obviously why they didn't sub one out
We're doing plays with a huge huge reason why they were actually able to kill a fight
Yeah, not only the renewing blades on themselves
But I think it's with flame shaper as well
They can put a 50% strength renewing blaze and another player as well
Which is incredibly useful for those dots part of the reason they were able to make the kill work
Part of the reason they had five of okers and I'm shy too. Yeah. I mean evokers right now
They just live in the high life
in this raid in general.
They've been living it ever since they got
invented, really.
But here's Chef Heidi.
Can we get a yes chef in the chat?
Yes chef.
I'm so lutey.
As well as Mila there.
Sounds like she's making baked ziti.
I have no idea what that is.
I'm kind of chicken dish.
Pasta.
Oh my god.
Fantastic.
I don't know if and that and I was gonna say and probably the majority of our audience and demographic doesn't even know what the
Sopranos is sadly. I know I know is ironic. I know what it is. I've never seen it
Boomer's we probably got some people
There's a few yeah, there are yeah, that's good. There's a few of them. Most of them are just spamming yes chef. Oh
There's a cringe. Is that a cringe, but yeah, no shout out
It's always there though.
Yeah I know. It just makes us more powerful really, really and gives us more power to be
even more cringy as we move along. But hello everyone if you're just tuning in, you're doing
Mythic Plus and watching Chef Heidi cook some food, we're watching Atlas into Key. Well
not just Atlas, it's kind of a group effort really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't pin it on one person.
No, sorry, we're watching Atlas's POV of the entire Key. Yeah, my bad, didn't mean
if we're our buddy there under the bridge.
They're trying you to, he's helping.
Some of these trash packs can be pretty brutal
at this stage of the dungeon as well
with those stinger, like the wasps
that are patting around.
They can be pretty rough
and then just the number of Swirlies coming out here
still some important kicks to get.
Looking at all the people in this group,
this is like old liquid right here.
All of these players played in the guild
like five plus years ago.
Oh yeah.
Heck yeah.
Pogger and Tags like haven't been playing too much recently.
Oh, is Pogger in this group?
Yeah, Pogger's in this group.
Oh my god, I love it.
I can't read that part.
I didn't even know Pogger was playing the game.
Me either.
I didn't know Tags was playing either.
Tags has been puking it up, man.
He's been doing a ton of Mythic Plus.
Yeah.
He's been loving life as a rep, Hallie.
He just kind of wanders around.
Well, it's funny that he'll wander into the caster and be like, oh man, pugs are
so brutal right now.
Oh, really?
Haha.
You talking rep pound in there, I don't know why that triggered in my brain.
We did have some class changes between weeks.
None of them were super substantial.
None of them are a reason, I think, to make changes.
Firemage has got a buff, but you're still probably
playing Sunfury.
Shadow Priest, the 4% damage on Shadow,
but our Shadow is just Shadow just still not
good enough to be worth it that you'd ever sub out
your Holy Priest for a Shadow to just have your Fort
and bring in another evoker or something?
That's an interesting conversation. I mean, the Fort Buff is almost always going to be covered by the healer right now, unless you somehow found a way to bring in three evokers.
Right.
Then I don't know if Shadow's strong enough to take a Raid Slot up, because there's other things that are stronger, especially as ranged characters that you'd like to play.
Just like go with another mage, or another dev evoker, you know?
Another dev evoker, yeah.
And another warlock. Warlock is like really strong right now, and it's like, it's just not brought usually, or it's not stacked because there's just no extra Raid Slots for it.
But I don't know, if you were thinking about bringing in a Shadow Priest, I'm sure there are plenty of other better options right now.
I know Method was running one though.
They were?
I'm pretty sure they were running one.
I missed that.
Yeah.
Well, that's very cool.
See, that's even something that I appreciated between the top three guilds is that on a lot of their boss kills, they're not running the exact same comp, right?
There were still a few differences.
Talking about those Kai-Veza pulls, it was Triple Dev for Liquid.
was double aug for the other two guilds for method and for echo. They were running double
aug no devastation and then they were running four mages as opposed to three mages and they
were using those augmentation evokers obviously primarily to boost the mages but also their
strategy alone and approach to the boss used the evokers in a very different way where
They were using the evokers to increase uptime for their ranged classes in particular on
the boss and then having rescue assignments go out for the initial assassination placements.
So you could just stand and free cast.
You get assigned one of these four evokers.
Now there are five portals that go out, or five circles that go out.
So one person always had to relocate themself.
But it was just a total, it was a really interesting and different approach to the
the fight and we've seen how effective both could be. And I feel like in races of old,
people always come down to the same common denominator. You know, like guilds that are
this smart, they'll usually arrive at a near similar conclusion on any boss and that's
not been as prevalent in this race.
I haven't actually even think of using the rescues as like removing one of the things
you have to think about in the fight because theoretically you don't have to think about
where you're going at all.
No, not at all.
That's the strategy.
It's all assigned. The added bonus is they take the talent that I can't remember
the name of, that gives both you and the person you rescue a shield.
And it equated to like four million health per pair.
So it was something like 16 million health that they're saving on healing just by executing
that strategy.
And then they put the responsibility of the charge, the first charge in phase one
on the tanks.
So the tanks would then, they would just run all of the charges in a counterclockwise
or a clockwise direction, and it was up to Mires, I think who was tanking on the monk,
yeah, in that fight, to reposition the boss for that first charge, and then the second
charge all go through the middle, which just, it removed a lot of uncertainty in some ways
for the fight. And I thought that it was just a really cool approach, by the same
token, I think what Liquid does, or did, has a lot of advantages in its own way,
it is maybe less quote-unquote consistent in its strategic approach, it built
enough of a system for the players to follow, right? Basically they had set up
the marks so that Max could call Marx go through first and everybody else is
just responsible for repositioning their assassins, their shadows, to then be
going through the boss on the on the second pass through. And it was
enough of a system that everyone got it, but then you kind of get to the
place of personal responsibility, just execute, right?
And I don't know which is the better approach, to be honest.
And maybe each approach was best for their respective guilds.
But again, I just watching these guys come up
with these strategies is one of my favorite aspects
of this race.
And I do think that while people
can have whatever complaints they
want to have about this tier, that's
something that this raid has done well,
is give opportunities for differing strategies
and different approaches.
Yeah, just still be successful.
Really good raid for that.
I suspect that the Echo strategy is likely going to be the one that's picked up by Guilds
Progressing on the fight.
No, just because it makes a little more sense to just rotate all of them the exact same way
every time so you don't have to think about, okay, I need to go far for this one or close
for this one.
But again, what works for Liquid might not work for other Guilds, and same vice-versa
for Echo.
So, it's definitely cool to see the differing strategies, and both of them working
equally well.
They both pretty much killed the boss in the same whole time on the boss.
I think liquids may be slightly shorter, but it was still extremely close.
Yeah, they're all going to have different ways that they approach and work best
with what they've historically been able to accomplish.
So glad we've got two of them that have completed it.
We're still checking in on method.
They're kind of, I don't actually understand what they're doing now.
I think they're literally just going to stay up until their servers
reset and keep going, which is insane.
Yeah, that I would start to question.
I, yeah, same.
Are they in chairs?
No, they're not even.
They're not even around.
I don't know.
Maybe they're all taking three hour naps.
And they're going to get, you know, like they're
going to take a truncated sleep.
They're just streaming empty chairs in an empty couch.
I saw Sco kind of pop up with a little microphone
and make an announcement.
I couldn't tell what that was.
But I think that might be the plan.
No sleep.
Let's go see how that works.
It's at least evident to me based
on Liquid's approach today, that they believe Ansarek is not
going to be easily killable.
And it might align with our prediction of at least a two-day boss.
Yeah.
I mean, also, there's the thought process
that they've lost past tiers by not doing everything
that they could possibly do for every single piece of loot,
every single upgrade.
Because Ekko will then go in afterwards and be like, OK,
you didn't do that?
OK, we will.
We'll get those upgrades. We'll have that extra half item level on you, so if the boss doesn't
come down to that half item level, we're going to just basically win by default.
So it's good to see that they're covering off that potential knowing that they're still an
entire boss to progress through. And I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves,
but it looks like a mythic raid group might be reforming.
Maybe. That'd be a pretty good way to go into dinner. Just get through Kaiveza and then
and say, all right, we come back for court with full bellies.
Is that trillin' the rate again?
Yes, it is.
OK, so we're one-ticking again.
Oh, wow.
All right, so now that we know the relative composition
that they're going to be using going into this,
do we want to make poll predictions on this?
Well, let's set a line.
Let's set a line.
Over underline?
Yeah, over underline.
So four and a half.
I'm setting the line at four and a half.
You going over or under?
Oh, I think one-ticking.
I'm over that.
I think so too. Okay, so let's reset the line seven and a half to go over or under still over that. Oh
Well, I think I might this is the thing I think if they one take it we might be in double-digit poles. Yeah
Think for me. It's like
11 and a half
11 and a half okay, so okay
But if 11 and half you going over or under because I would pretty comfortably go on either end of that as well
That it's too close to call. That's a good line
You should be an odd setter you found out
I had to ladder up to that. You just went for it.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'll go with, even though 11 and a half is a scary line,
I'll go with the optimistic under, 11 or less.
I'll take the under just because I want them to kill it.
Right, yeah, that's what it is. It's aspirational, it's hopeful.
Hmm, I'll go under with you.
Let's go.
Alright, so we are all right together or we're all wrong together, but I like that.
We commit.
the mid copium yeah you know or they could just one shot it down you never
know the brood swister you know they took off 120 ish poles do we know what
their item level is on their brood twister kill I know it's not the exact
same makeup but it'll give us a general sense of what their average item level
is they on their brood twister kill it should sit on your work rough lives
or radar I oh yeah we're gonna hop over there and we'll check that out for you
all I'm gonna hand it to you because I don't know how to I last time I tried
Well, do it.
Warcraft vlogs.
Down on me.
OK.
And just go Warcraft vlogs.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Azula, I think I'm plugged some stuff.
They let us see this stuff?
I think she just unplugged the power.
That was the most important element of it.
Yeah.
I unplugged the mouse.
That was on me.
Warcraft vlogs.
And then just hit this button here, follow the race.
At the top, it's really nice.
And then we can.
See, I always watch this screen.
Ah.
Watch this screen.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I'm at home, I'm dual monitor set up.
I've got the main race on the main monitor.
And then I've got Warcraft Logs filling up half my secondary on the top of half of the vertical.
And then I have the secondary stream that I'm watching on the bottom half.
I got a whole setup.
Yeah.
So then from here, we're going to scroll down till we see liquid.
But let's go down to their, um, their most recent mythic kill, which would be this brood
twister kill.
But they'll go show details.
Could it not be this one?
No, that's when they originally, that's their first kill.
So we want to go to, there should be a last kill choice.
I...
Somewhere.
Oh no.
Cause this is...
Yeah, that's last week's kill.
That's why I'm trying to figure out.
If I did their tricorinteratorio, they'll have it too.
Alright.
We're live troubleshooting here, but we'll get to that.
But I'm just kind of curious because they were,
I mean, they ended the week at 622 item level.
When they killed Kyvesa, they were 621.5 to 622.
So I'm just curious what their average jump is for this raid because I
I don't know about you, but I was personally very happy to see Blizzard not nerf this boss
Yeah, well not nerf it too much right or sorry they nerfed it last week. I'm in between the resets. Yes. Yeah
Seeing that it was killable
This is a fight that I think gets
tremendously easier or
Exponentially easier per item level you get as compared to a fight like bridge twister which will get easier with item level
But still has opportunities for the item level to not be the thing that you know wipes you or saves you here
most the time when you're wiping you're dying to known damage and
Damage that is unavoidable in a number of ways. Yes, you still got to dodge the pizza slices
You still got to you know, soak your lines and use your personal but largely
The Queen's Banes those are happening whether you want to or whether you want them to or not
Yeah, and item level can save you from hitting the 10%
Sure, item level can save you, but it's not going to do as much.
I mean, we were talking about this during progress a lot, as I'm sure you're watching.
Yep.
I mean, the damage of the initial hit plus the dot plus the explosion at the end is like
two and a half times your health bar.
So a little bit of a-
You still need a personal.
It's from gear.
It's not going to save you without popping a personal and having perfect execution.
So it still requires an insane amount of group coordination to know who needs healing,
who needs externals just to live through the fight.
But maybe, okay, so let me approach it
or ask it in a different way,
which is even with this item level,
whereas last week they kinda needed that 1%,
you know, one out of a hundred perfect poll to kill it,
would you say now they need one out of 50 perfect poll
or one out of 20, you know,
or I guess if our line was 11,
they need one out of 11, essentially perfect poll now.
Well, obviously the execution
shouldn't have gone anywhere right they killed this right ago so it should be
pretty fresh on their mind still they're running the exact same kill comp they're
not changing much from what they did two days ago the only thing that's gonna be
different is their damage is gonna be higher and maybe their healing output
could be a little bit higher too so the intermission should be a little safer
that's where they had a lot of spot deaths back then the thing that I think
is really gonna be a lot easier for them this week is the damage check so
they don't necessarily need a perfect pull we saw you're right they could
kill it with 19 alive right we saw a lot of poles during progression especially in
the last 50 Poles or so where they'd have a death at like the three minute mark
and they're like okay well we don't we already don't want to res a person we
could res them at the form into 30 mark that means we have to use the
octo them earlier let's just reset it yeah I don't think they have to do that
on the re-clear okay they still might just just like to keep it consistent but
I don't think they have to I think they can still kill it with like an
untimely death in the middle of the fight keeping on like one of the worst
players like even if they lose spy masters on one of their mage's I think
they're damage still should be fine to kill it yeah I'd agree with that did we
get our data yeah this is an hour ago here for brood twister 622.87 okay that's
which DK's who probably weren't as geared as their main takes that's what I was
about to say we're 623 and 620 well Atlas will be high because yeah yeah
Okay, 626-18.
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, because I believe even Scott's bear last week
was 622 or 623.
So that alone is a small jump and...
Highest one.
It looks like it was fired up at 626.
Right.
Oh, and they are running Bernadio,
who obviously also will, yeah,
might bring down the average item a little bit.
So, Bernadio.
The Bernadio was 621.9.
Yo, representing the boomies though.
I'm happy to see boomies in there for a couple fights.
Yeah, actually I think the lowest was, I'm verifying, oh 6, 618, it was Yip, Yip was the lowest, yeah, yep, yeah, then we got a couple of...
Y'all fired up, 626.2, are you kidding me?
Yip was 621, it's Frosty came, ooh, we're getting them juiced up here.
Very juiced.
Yeah.
There might even be some players who are sitting on their vault, waiting to see what's in their vault,
if an item drops that's in their vault, let's juice something else.
So they might not have been fully juiced up on their item already, and like you mentioned earlier,
they probably still have crests and not upgrades as well, so they're definitely not at max strength here.
Now, something that we're seeing again, they're doing more BOE clears,
are we gonna see a princess kill or was that just a BOE clear and not a Pactimithic plus?
they're trolling us they baited us and we baited you chat i'm gonna be real
upset in there let's do some more myth the night is
young though let's be real the night is young when it comes seven
to a reset day they got a lot ahead of them in terms of
you know the hours to play with here
something that'd be nice can we like get in the information of whether or not
they got any boes in these runs like they just killed a bunch of trash do
we know if they got any boes any chatters can you help
with that? Yeah, that would be good info. What's funny is I do know they got one. It was when I was
driving up, so I was, again, I was listening on the phone. They got one on their very first poll
of Mythic before the first boss even. But it was, yeah, which isn't supposed to happen,
but they mentioned something about it being, I think, like heroic item level. So I don't,
you know, they're probably not even gonna wear it kind of a thing, but they did. That's the
only one I heard them verbally get while I was driving up. That was a bind on a Warbound
Oh, maybe it was and they just didn't they didn't clock that right away or something
Yeah, it was it was pretty funny because immediately it's first poll it dropped after they all had the same discussion
Well, it's not possible until after we get past the
And then it happens
That's weird. I have a non sequitur question for y'all, but
Has there been any individual
That stood out for you in in the race as like that you want to call out as being just like
like a top performer, somebody that's like really impressed you on the team.
I've got one.
Who you got?
Who you got?
That was good.
That was mine.
I had that in the...
Well, yeah, I asked the question.
So absolutely.
But that's...
I was gonna gush about Dazer.
I mean, okay.
First of all, what I'll say first, coming into a boss after they've already pulled
the boss, you know, a couple hundred times, he did it for a Brew Twister, he did
it for Kavesa, they swapped him in and he wasn't on liability.
He knew what he was doing.
even like top meter samples like the dude was playing crazy well and this is a guy that's been in
the guild for three tiers and hasn't gotten the opportunity to kill that many bosses.
Red Paladin isn't brought into a lot of things. Right. Now that it's like a really good class
and it's covering those buffs when Holy Paladin isn't that good, he's crushing it man. I'm glad
to see him get some play time. Yeah phenomenal player to be able to slot in right and like
you say cover for when the Holy Paladin isn't going to cut it still give the buffs and then
and live up to the damage numbers that you need out of him.
And specifically, Kivesa is where I was incredibly impressed with him.
Because of the demands, one on the melee in that fight,
melee in that fight is not easy.
You go into intermission, and it is pure chaos underneath the boss
with the lines that you have to dodge.
And then, of course, the opportunity for even a Voker
who's within 20 yards to snipe you with a vertical line.
And then all through that, throwing out sacks to anybody
who's got a Queen's Bay who might be in danger
and he was always on top of it.
That's something you wanna say, Thad?
Art, do you know when you're gonna start the raid?
What happened?
Oh, yeah.
No way!
Oh, okay, so.
Hold on, repeat that please, yeah.
I'll repeat what he said for the broadcast.
He said they reset their instance
to do another B.O.E. round farm.
This was going to be their princess kill,
but the instance they joined was an Oceanic instance.
So they all had like 200 ping.
So they're not gonna progress in a 200 finger. No, absolutely not got our soft reset it once again. All right
Get them on the way back or when yes
Yeah, okay, that's fair Wow
well luckily
They can go take dinner so in in a way no time lost right take dinner now 30 minutes earlier and get right back to it
hopefully spawning into a North American instance this time around give us that
more likable MS when it comes to the ping. I do respect the pacing that
they're doing this though I feel like overall just in terms of like holding
off on their splits holding off on their mythic plus like it seems like
they've really planned ahead for instances where they maybe they want to
hold off on progression so that like you know the other guilds can't really
watch them for any potential bugs that they run into for any potential like
We think a hotfix is going to come in soon type of thing.
It seems like they really haven't had those moments aside from maybe like the reset this morning or server maintenance getting delayed
Moments where they've significantly had to waste their time like we've seen in previous tiers
Yeah, no, they've been calm cool collected the entire time. I don't think I've ever seen them feel like they were
Too pressed to do anything. Yeah, maybe last night was the first time I saw them under some real pressure
Like we need to get this boss down tonight, but even then they went they killed it pretty early
Yeah, give themselves plenty of time to see information on n-strike and then any time to get good sleep tonight before the reset
I mean
They're they're playing really well when they need to they're going above and beyond we even saw like you know
Good example is Nexus princess right when they locked in for those last few pulls to kill the boss
That they were just so far ahead of where any other guild was we didn't know if that boss was killable this weekend
Oh, yeah, that's a very good point right because they are the so often the team that has to figure out if something is or
isn't doable, right? And that alone has its own mental wear and tear of just the uncertainty.
Other people can now can go ahead and watch what liquid is doing. They won't say,
okay, yeah, it is killable, or no, it isn't. And we're not going to spend time then
toiling away on something that isn't killable. Of course, there's positives and negatives to
playing both sides of the reset. But yeah, but there are many times when it feels like
for liquid, it's, it's 100 poles of beta testing, you know, before, before we get to
Okay, here's how it's killable and how we're gonna make it happen. Certainly. Yeah, sometimes we're the other guinea pigs for sure
But we're nearing the end of our segment here, especially since they propped an early dinner in the words of thd
But are you gonna be on the next segment here?
Or you I told them they could throw me in wherever they want me
I do think I'm slated for a small break and then to rejoin
Later in the evening as well, but you know, look, I'm here
I'm here to enjoy the race and to talk to really intelligent individuals like yourselves and and absorb as much information as I can because I love this game
I love this race
But I also recognize that you know I
Come in usually from the outside with without the you know without the perspective and the knowledge that everyone in this room holds
And so I'm like a sponge here just trying to grab as much of it as I can and take it home and implement it in my own gameplay
I've been monitoring Chad. They love you. They like that. A lot of people very impressed with your knowledge
Well, hopefully we'll get you know the next time we see you turn maybe tonight. You'll actually get to see some mythic pulls
Honestly, I
We got the brood twister. I was worried maybe we'd be in full heroic split duty and whatnot
but we got the brood twister kill and I've as
THD said they were about to go to princess so that to me is a very good sign very good very good sign that
We'll see some some fun stuff later on in the evening. Yeah, well, thank you for filling with Zyro and myself
It's been a pleasure. I'll put it on mine y'all all right with that with that I'm gonna throw up to a break
We're gonna get some food ourselves. Thank you so much to our presenting partner coinbase
Of course as well secret lab monster energy alien where a radar IO Wow head were craft logs and dungeon dojo
Thank you guys so much. See you in a bit
We did some research and apparently ox buffing other arms is better than them buffing other DPS
Oh, that's interesting.
So how many obviously think it's the max and the rate?
Sometimes I come up with the most amazing ideas
and even I'm surprised at how good they are.
Yeah, if I'm being honest, it'd be kind of selfish
me not to share these.
I don't know if you know this, but I used to write with them
and I was one of the top DPS
and these guys know that and they respect me.
And they're a little stuck on this boss right now,
so I think it's time that I step in.
All right, guys, I figured it out.
I know you're struggling.
Queen Anne's wreck.
Got the strap.
Tank's here. DPS over here.
over here you can see the range is fired up here's where they're going to go
we're gonna go up here here p3 you kill the boss right here oh yeah I could say
that working okay yeah we'll definitely do that yeah yeah you think yeah okay
um I'll leave this here you can make notes or whatever it's pretty open you
know all right sounds good okay awesome thank you
Actually, I believe he's a guy.
Sometimes when I'm around them, I think they respect me a little too much
and they're kind of afraid to beat themselves.
Maybe I get it, I'd be intimidated to be around me too.
The thing is, I'm just a normal guy, and I love all the Warcraft.
But I didn't get this for nothing.
Bothered on eBay.
I do not respect Cams.
He still leaves me his Warcraft vlogs when he has pink parses.
It's actually really weird.
He should just stick to casting.
Wait, that guy was in the guild?
I thought he was someone's dad.
Guys, have you seen this picture of the baby hippo?
It's so cute. You're going to love it.
Guys?
I like Camps.
I think he's really smart.
He's been here before.
I feel like he has some insights that can really help us do what we do.
Hey, man.
Is he still here?
Okay.
Please get him out of here and lock the door.
You know what, Bubba?
Rax?
Bubba, are you there?
They're probably just practicing that strat I gave them.
They always lock the door when they're having a good poll, so pretty exciting.
I'll just wait here.
You want to see something really cool?
It's just a Honda Prologue. We can go anywhere we want.
Hi, my name's Atlas.
High-play, definite, and really good guild.
Some of the features of the Alienware ProLine mouse that I've really enjoyed.
It's extremely lightweight.
It glides effortlessly across the mousepad.
The clicks feel very responsive and give you feedback.
I love how this mouse feels.
while players inherently mash their keyboards like crazy so it's good to have reliable keyboard that
is responsive and easy to have clicks on the keys. Thank you. Hi I'm Exile and I play Rogue in
Liquid Guild. Personally my favorite feature about the ProLine mouse is that it feels light as a
feather it's really smooth and I have no questions on whether or not I'll be able to use it for
very extended periods of time. The customizability of the Alienware keyboard is a great feature
to have as you're able to change the lighting whenever you want and even change between
switches. Hi, I am Bubba Dog. I am an analyst slash officer in LiquidGill. The main feature that
I really like about the mouse is the side buttons. They give you direct feedback on whether you
press it or not. The weight and the shape of this mouse are perfect for me. This keyboard is
definitely something that I would use at home for general use and for gaming. The way that the
keyboard feels to me, I get instantaneous feedback on what button I press and how to press it.
Hi, my name is Max and I'm the raid leader of LiquidGill. And where ProMouse is actually
great. It's wireless. It's super easy to deal with. It has great skates, so it actually will glide
really well. You can use it all day and you don't get sore at all. So the Alienware ProLine keyboard
is actually great for a while. If you want smaller desk space taken up by your keyboard,
you can also connect to three different devices through Bluetooth. And just overall,
it has a great feel. This might be the best keyboard I've ever used.
What is this? Where's my secret lab? This is your chair. That's not my chair. It's in
in my contract, man.
I only sit in secret lab chairs.
Look, I'm gonna have permanent back damage because of this.
What's going on with them?
He ever got a secret lab.
Look at my ass, little.
Look at my ass.
Relax, it's gone for diva.
Are you secret labs?
This is some dog-
F*** it, f*** it.
Get back in here.
Okay.
Ever since Max renewed his contract,
he's been weirdly obsessed with secret lab chairs.
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.
He does everything in them.
Like everything.
Like I get it, they're great chairs.
But it's just like a bit much.
I guess he had it put in his contract to always
be sitting in a secret lab chair.
I mean, who does that?
When did that happen?
Good secret lab.
Look, it's not about the design or the comfort.
It's the personalized ergonomics, right?
Why else would it be in my contract?
I want it wherever I'm at.
I feel like people here just don't get it, you know?
For sure.
Like it's like when you're used to sushi
and then you go back to Cantuna.
You just don't want that, right?
No one wants that.
That's crazy.
I feel like we should be focusing more on prepping
for the actual race than what chairs we sit in.
I mean, how comfortable can they really be?
OK, I kind of get it.
Let's move my two to a three and my five to a seven.
I'm going to take a quick dinner around then.
Actually, you know what?
Instead of the three, maybe move that to a one.
That way I don't have to come into the office
until way later, hopefully.
Hey, yeah, I'm sorry about that.
Look, it is what it is.
I'm a nice guy, but Secret Lab, that's the only chair
this butt sits in.
There's either a Secret Lab there or I'm not going.
All right, that's a wrap everybody.
Thank you, have a good night.
There's my Secret Lab.
Back, so back from a little bit of a break,
there was a bit of an incident with the server
that the mythic lockout was on.
So we're proccing early gonna.
So we're back.
Yep, early been in a great song.
E.
Yeah, while we're gone, do you want to let them know on the news?
Method killed the Silken Court.
Now, it might have taken, how long was our raid day?
19 hours, 20 hours?
We might have even crossed a 21-hour raid day.
But Method were finally able to down the Silken Court.
I can't even figure out how good or bad this is,
but it was certainly a maneuver that has happened.
Well, they certainly committed to it.
And it would have been way, oh, we're losing our music.
I keep going, keep talking.
Okay, we gotta keep going.
It would have been way worse if they didn't kill the boss
after staying up till 4AM.
The reset's at five.
Do you go for the complete insane play
of just trying to stay up and do your re-clear?
I think you can't.
I don't think you can.
Staying awake for that long, it's gonna make your re-clear
so inconsistent.
They're probably gonna go get some sleep,
come back early afternoon, start doing the re-clear.
The good news is for them, they got their kill. Their loot is pretty bad.
The bad news is...
But?
They need more monster.
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I found a rare one.
What would you have?
Ultra Fiesta Mango.
Oh, okay.
Oh, very rare one.
I got the Peach Tea Rehab.
Oh, that's good.
What you got, Tetels?
Nothing.
Make something up?
Yeah, they...
Okay.
They stayed up late, they even had servers go down for like 15 minutes
Somewhere in there and they stayed up and kept going
I mean congrats to them, that was a maneuver, was a play
Clutch kill
I feel like, I was starting to see Ori a little bit about it
I'm a bit concerned with the maneuver itself
Mostly so, I think that they were in a position to possibly get World 2nd at some point
I don't see, like I didn't see a real path for them to be able to get World 1st
But I think that EU and NA does this thing where they'll slingshot back and forth with their progress.
Like EU will get ahead while NA is asleep and NA will get ahead while EU is asleep type thing.
And I thought that method was maybe in a position where somehow they could either outplay Echo or slingshot ahead of Liquid in some capacity
and maybe somehow get a world second. I thought it was very unlikely.
But now I think with the maneuver that they've made, now they're basically on the same sleep schedule as Liquid
And now they're like almost 24 hours behind Liquid and, you know, like a full sleep behind Dekka, so it's a...
I would describe Method as in a Farm Third now?
Yeah, I agree. Well, so there is a situation in which killing this boss is actually huge for them, because imagine they open their vault and there's just a ton of Mythic Spymasters in there.
Then you're loving life and you're glad you did it.
I'm not arguing about the loot, like the loot of course is very valuable. It's more just like,
is this worth suiciding your sleep over? Well, how late did they go for their sleep?
Four hours ish? Five hours ish? Six or seven hours ish? Were they planning to do the same
thing as Echo did where they wake up an alarm clock to 5am? Yes. Okay, then they turboed.
Yeah, you're right. It's like seven, eight hours. Yeah, what do they maybe just...
Now they're going to bat, right?
The best thing to do, the best, is to just stay up and power through a bunch of heroics.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's easy content.
No, that'll mess everyone up.
Everyone will be tired for the next three days.
You can't do that.
I mean, this could pay off for them if Antrack is crazy hard and goes to like Saturday,
then they'll kind of readjust.
Maybe they can bounce back if it goes to Saturday.
Sure.
And you know, you're saying they're, you know, more set in the third place.
This race is so close that if one of Echo or Liquid has a bad day, then their methods are back.
I think it's difficult to come back from being down 24 hours of gameplay.
Because Liquid killed Soak and Court about this time yesterday.
Yeah, give it a little later.
We took a couple hours to get on the scheme of the race.
20 hours?
Very similar time.
Ooh, they're going to do Kaiveza.
Yeah, still, it's very cool for them to get it down.
Congrats to Method for the kill.
That was well deserved especially for the amount of time you put in but yeah, okay
So what we're seeing on screen right here basically liquid had to reset soft reset their instance
They had to have everybody zone out of the instance for 30 minutes. They propped in O surround so
Everybody's playing on like
300 ping or something like that and the Europeans were playing on like 250 like everybody everybody's ping was really really bad
so
They had to reset the instance now everybody's back in they're pulling nexus princess Kaveza and
And they're gonna have to run the kill comp from the original kill. The only difference is now
We don't have Vantus runes, but we do have a full resets worth of gear ish
So before the break we were doing a little segment on desk where where dash was asking us
What would our overunder Barbie for poles to kill the boss on this and we arrived at about?
11.5 with the odds of us on this boss. Well, here's the reasoning behind that, right an
An entire reset's worth of gear is gonna net you a lot of extra wiggle room for your kill encounter, right?
They already killed the boss pretty much on enrage timer at 630. We know that they can limp out to about 645
It's probably not see about an extra percent. They didn't even need to do that for the first kill
In addition to that like with the extra reset of gear the extra damage
Maybe you can afford to have those really untimely deaths around the three-minute mark and just use the battle riser for a 30
and still be able to kill the boss.
I'm hammering the under on the 11 and a half.
I'm also under.
If you gave me six and a half, that might be close, I feel like.
Yeah.
I think it's going to be single digits,
but are those single digits pulls going to take an hour,
or are they just going to one-shot it?
Well, we'll have to see.
This is still a mechanically intensive fight.
It's still an incredibly difficult fight.
The damage of the Queensbane dot
is the same as it was last week.
In the amount of gear they've gained since then,
isn't going to make that really any easier to heal necessarily?
They're still going to have to keep the fundamentals they learned from last week
in order to keep those players alive.
And if there's any laps in concentration, it's going to be just as difficult
to get lost as it was last week.
I think the big differentiator in cams can maybe speak on this a bit more as
I think that they can like 19 or 18 player it at a certain point.
Probably like, but you have to be able to get to P3 with everybody alive.
Yeah, their kill was really clean and it almost looked like they could two tank it
You know, I'm not saying that they should have done that
But it was it was really clean and they had the you know time to spare relative to how long they could go
I don't know how much they could have like limp through at the end, but the fight still fresh in their mind
it was not that long ago that they killed it and
You know you can keep that muscle memory and yeah, I think
Under 10 for sure and also massive shout out. I want to say to trill once again
AWC starts on Friday. He's still here with the guild, still helping them
re-kill bosses while prepping for that. Offline qualifiers tomorrow. Oh it starts
tomorrow. Yes. Basically they play this offline bracket tournament to get
seated and it's always on Wednesdays so they have offline qualifier tomorrow.
Trill's been practicing arena. He was like sprinting with his food to get
back to his desk so he could queue more arena. They hit rank one on Sunday.
25,000 or something. They don't call them Mr. Roller Warcraft for nothing.
Here we go, back into the fight. First time seeing it since they killed it on
Sunday. Let's see if the fundamentals are still there for the squad. I'd imagine after
300 pulls they should have a pretty good idea of how they need to kill this
fight even though it's been a couple days. You can see THD there using his
conflags, walking back a little bit, still getting as much of the image
as you can. Oh, well. Couple of that's trill, boomy, dupe
going down, it's going to end up being a wipe I think.
Looks like it might have been an errant orb that hit somebody and then cascaded out of
control.
It's going to be a quick reset, so that's a one.
Do we have a pull counter for re-kills, pulls?
Maybe it was like a...
I wonder how Boomi died.
Did he die by a sword incident?
Not sure.
Might have been, might have been.
Well, do we count that one as a wipe?
Yes.
That is a wipe.
That's a one.
A reset as a wipe.
Alright, okay.
Everybody in chat type one, for one wipe.
Yeah, we're counting in chat now.
We're not counting on screen, we're going to be counting in chat.
One.
One
Good job chat.
Good work everybody.
Nine more.
Are we sure we're trusting the chat to count?
They're notoriously bad at counting.
I mean they can type the one number a lot,
but like if I told the chat to count to ten in chat right now,
they couldn't do it.
These are the most trustworthy people I know.
OK.
I also trust them implicitly, just usually not with counting.
I think given infinite time, chat can type to ten.
It's like the monkey in the Shakespeare.
Mm-hmm.
They could get to infinity and beyond. I think that's that's also about the monkey in the Shakespeare. Yeah. Yeah
So should I go over this fight really quick? It's been a while. Yeah, let's do it
Yeah, so the first main mechanic is these rifts that come out
You can see you they're already in their position
they make a little star and then the tank will plant the final rift whenever he drags boss over there and
It leaves these little images behind and they're kind of the main mechanic
You can see the ones on the right have this red outline
That means they have the mythic mechanic and those will need to be dashed through the boss and any time you get the
Rift or the dash you get a queen's main dot which
When expires shoots out those orbs like you just saw and so it's just kind of dance of
Dashing these images to spots where the portals don't suck you hard while also being able to get the masked images
Through the boss. Yeah, because that that's I guess that's how you remove the mask because you dash it through the boss
So explain the one tank so the one tank is really just an adaptation they made at
the end of progression in order to milk as much single target damage as possible
the basic idea is that Scott has to find a way to live through the nine tank
busters on this fight using octotons using battle reses using anything he
can just to keep himself alive as long as possible they've kind of got a
rotation down so there's three of those tank busters in each of the
phases first one he tanks with a personal second one he'll die for and
either an October battle res to reset with in the third one he defensives again
just the same combination every single phase at the same time every time he's
planned to die one of the warriors needs to taunt died by the sort of the boss so
the boss then doesn't you know melee one of the other melee players down it's
it's this interesting thing they came up with and it was the thing that pretty
much every guild that is killed this boss has copied because the damage check
on this boss last week was probably impossible with two tanks alright
Everyone in chat was typing two there for a second as well.
Good job, chat.
Let's go.
They're chain pulling.
They immediately reset the boss and then
started a 15 second pull timer again.
So they're not really waiting around.
They know that the way that they're killing this boss
and reclears kind of similar to how they were killing it
in Prague.
It's not about any additional progression.
It's not about any additional strategy or strat changes.
It's just about getting the volume of pulls
to the point where you have everything go right.
You make it into phase three.
and then it should be totally okay.
I think the hard parts of this fight
are still very challenging.
You know, not letting yourself dip to 10% HP
and get executed by the boss.
That is a very, very difficult maneuver
and it requires a lot of pre-planning
in terms of how many defenses you're gonna be pressing.
And especially stuff like this,
like you saw Scott go down, that's intended.
That's an intended sack like Zyro was talking about
earlier.
In the first phase, I forgot to mention,
it's a little different.
They sack the first one
so that they can get the ancestral protective hood
of them on cooldown.
It's a five minute cooldown.
won't be up for the last sack unless they use it literally on pole so he has to
die to the first tank buster in order to actually make use of that so he has to
live a two stack at the end of the phase and then I believe a three stack at
the start of next phase but he should have the defensive and the externals
available to live that now the thing that was causing them the most pain
on progression were two things number one within you mentioned earlier
camps those Queensbane dots ticking people below 10% HP there were random
spots in the fight okay if you said didn't have the externals to keep
anybody alive, but as you see right now, that just happened to KSP, right? It's just, this
fight is so difficult to deal with as a DPS player. You need to have immaculate trust in
your healers and also your invokers who can renew and blaze you to keep you alive. The
other part is the part we're about to go into right now, this intermission. There
is so much damage in this intermission, so much so that they actually change their
healer comp just to get through it.
Yeah, they brought in that restoration shaman. It seemed pretty good, all things considered.
Zasevi's still on that rest of Shaman, even though he's been largely gearing preservation of ochre this reset. Mm-hmm
Yeah, my favorite part of this phase is coming up near the end
Everybody gets these regicide lines and then they all go off at once. Ooh, and they lost Scott there to it
Yeah, there was gonna be a wipe anyways because they lost somebody early and don't have the res because they're still doing the one tank
I think well there they should have reset obviously
But if they get some early deaths, I think they should just keep going to that kind of refresh their minds
Yeah, we have kind of hard if they're just doing like the first
40 seconds of the pole and then resetting if anybody messes up three. Yeah get a three in chat
Two poles. Oh, we have it on screen now
lovely
Yeah, just in case Chad forgets where we are, but I guess that would be has us
But that was three
They've done two poles it will do three
Yep, no, no, this was the third that was sorry. I was talking about something don't know. This was the third way
That was the third one. I've already lost count. That was the third. Yes, okay. We've got to which we've got for us
Chad is Lily's fanning three. So the pole timer
They is okay. I don't want to make something. I was about to make something up and trust me. I'm not I'm not scared to be wrong
But doesn't the pole timer update when they pull the boss again, or is it actual man? Is it manual?
I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's manual. I suspect that it's oh my gosh wait look at up
We're very updated now. It's three. Oh
Oh, right
We're on four
No, this is this is poor for before. Yes. We are on pole number four. We're on four
We only start counting whenever they wipe. Mm-hmm, correct
Okay, let them then it'll be for fourth pole
Nick on this powerful preservation of ochre
Sometimes getting huge breath sometimes breathing like one person
Sometimes in the intermission it's just like he shoots back and aims at it like one guy must be worth
I don't know that much about preservation. Maybe the echo stuff. He has up
We'll spread it to other people. It's kind of interesting actually here
The the boss do like the kill the kill sound like her voice line whenever she executes a player more often than not before I
Actually even see the player die like on our raid frames
What does she say I
Don't know gosh, it's like something about being executed
Oh, understandable, Scott, one taking this boss.
I'll point it out next time we hear her do it.
Okay, hopefully we don't hear her do it.
I guess for Scott, she'll do it.
Four guy, he's two in that gum.
Final charge of the phase, just have to hit the boss with these.
We should be good to go, it's going to be one last pull and then we're into the
first intermission.
And we keep everyone alive through those Queensbane dots.
Those are the main thing to keep an eye on right now.
Kind of dodge orbs, of course. These orbs will still watch out you this week
The HP gain from the gear we've gotten is not nearly enough to keep you alive to those
It's 7.2 million shadow damage if you get hit by one of those orbs
Maybe like an arcane mage with a prismatic barrier on them could stay alive barely
But you'd much rather just not get hit. Your healers do not have the
available attention to keep you alive when they're dealing with the Queen's pain dots
But here we are once I get into the intermission here like we were talking about before the break
these registered lines make it a pain to just
do anything in this phase.
We're trying to stay on this line in between the pizza slices,
but melee, look at melee right now.
They have to dodge from so many different angles.
So gotta keep an eye on the melee players.
They're probably one of the most likely people
to stay to die in this phase.
And of course, at the end of the phase,
there's gonna be a ton of those lines going out
like right now.
Looks like we're through with all 20.
Sounds like kind of funny.
I didn't realize this until earlier,
but those Regicide lines aren't actually affected
by like Zephyr or avoidance and stuff like that.
There's like ticking AoE from the boss itself
that's affected by the Voyage and Zephyr and Sanctify Plates and whatnot, but not the
Regicide Line, which is, I think, kind of a little bit counterintuitive, I don't know.
Yeah, it's a little weird. Usually, those sweeping abilities would be affected by AOE, but I suspect
that it might not be affected by that. It wouldn't make sense because the phase was
actually so difficult for the Beagle through. Not necessarily the first. They got their
cooldown usage down on the first intermission pretty early on in progress, but the second
intermission specifically is what was causing them so many issues, and it's part of
the thing that facilitated them swapping from that holy pallet into the rest of
Shaman and then also bringing in the red pallet and instead of one of their
hunters because the hunters were taking so much more damage than anyone else.
Not actually taking more damage but requiring more healing because their
defenses weren't as effective on this fight as some of our other DPS classes.
Yeah especially the evoker. The renewing blaze is beautiful.
Oh yeah renewing blaze is a very good button versus some mechanics and
completely uses versus others. However on this boss the renewing blaze is
the ideal ability because it's going to be constantly ticking you up over like a
10-second window and so it's just like an absolute perfect heal for that kind of
thing. Yeah, do you happen to know if you get a Queen's Bane if you get hit by the
orb or is it just some damage? I'm pretty sure it's just damage but the damage is
so high that like it's gonna one-shot you anyways. So I mean I guess if you
personal through it it could be an issue but I'm pretty sure it doesn't give you a Queen's Bane, not only the charges in the
assassination give you that twilight massacre and assassinate okay that's I
guess the only way I'll get them yeah second intermission everyone alive
still now see here's what I think obviously you would love to get through
this intermission with everyone alive but I think that with their extra gear
here they can afford to have a death so if we see somebody go down here it's
not the end of the world unless it's maybe the tank but don't overrester
you yeah keeping everyone alive also impact absolutely lasting on the
meters right now I'm it's all going down a bit unfortunate but like you're
saying, so they're going to get another res at the 430 mark, they've typically been sending
that res and then they'll like APT Scott, the only downside of that is that Scott has
to survive two void shredders in a row and then be getting APT'd on the third tank debuff
of the phase, which it's something that they definitely practiced for whenever they were
looking to do this boss during progression.
Two players going down with both I'm Exile and Malarcus, they full sent the B res
immediately on I'm Exile, so this makes sense, Scott's going to have to survive
two void shredder casts basically will get like time dilated that's the downside
that right is that Scott will be eating that external that otherwise could have
gone to a DPS to be able to keep them alive yeah but it's just the cost you pay
for having to one tank this fight and how's the HP of the boss looking what
do we need to see whenever we're going into the last intermission so on
progression the marker was 10% but what do you think that oh it's gonna say we
can go to fire it up to POV he's got this bar right yeah with the line is
the boss is health and that red line is the enrage timer so they're right
on it it's they're starting to lose some ground but they catch back up about
They catch back up at some point whenever they press their
Spymasters webs and have some some execute damage typically that's around the 35% mark that they start to catch back up
And so I think they're losing a little bit of ground on the boss. It might be a situation where
Just like having two players dead is not it is not good enough
I think that you might only need to have like one player dead for an extended period of time
This might still be enough though. This boss HP is quite low. Remember the mark that on their kill
The mark they had this boss at when that endless nightcast finished was like 8.2%
It was the highest damage we'd ever seen from them
They had almost killed the boss with about a 9.5% push on one of the really low like 0.6% wipes
And they're pushing here at 13. They're pushing here at pretty high amount. Let's see if the burst damage from the extra
here is enough. This is a 12% push. I suspect this will probably bleed out to
like a 1 or 2% white, but maybe the extra spymasters they've gained, maybe the
extra gear is enough here, but you have to keep everyone alive in this phase. Any
further deaths is almost certainly a wipe. Seri's okay. That's a planned death.
We're used to that. Holy priest goes into angel form and heals everyone else
based off of that. Boss is dropping lower. They 10 seconds left on the
enrage and I just I don't think it's gonna be enough to. They get a
little bit of bonus time from things like you know, Dazer's gonna pop his
bubble, Shaqib's going to be going into Nether Walk as well to keep himself alive.
Scott's able to tank a couple of hits of that ground effect from the endless night.
But yeah, like you're saying, you know, two and a half percent is going to be a
wipe. That's a good, that's a good pull to have on the 4th pull.
Yeah, like only four pulls in.
They know how to do the fight still.
I just have to keep it clean in the second intermission and then they
should have the damage to this boss.
Four, four, four, the number is four, four.
We'll see what comes next.
The number of the day is four.
Yeah, something also to keep in mind is the way the Mythic Mechanic works is when you
dash one of those masks through the boss, each one gives it a stacking 10% damage amp, and
if you get it by three, then it becomes permanent.
And they have to dash three in through the last phase.
So I'm getting baited by all these numbers, fours and threes.
Yeah, so the final phase, the boss will be doing 30% extra damage the whole time.
Yeah?
Well, uh-oh, did we not have a Soul Stone out, THD?
Well, no, THD has to move the Soul Stone.
So he used the Soul Stone to res I'm Exile, and then they wiped the Enrage so they didn't
have somebody to reset the boss or anything.
And so somebody has to run back from the very beginning of the instance.
Why is the Warlock pressing?
Who else is there?
Who else is there?
Who else is there?
Raz!
Razor!
The Repeladin!
I think you're more likely to get a Warlock pressing Soulstone before a Paladin pressing
intercession, let's be honest here.
You need to have the Warlock Soulstone so you can prevent them.
Okay, maybe they thought they weren't coming.
But he has to move the Soulstone to the tank more often than not anyways, so he's already...
You're not going to have wipe recovery.
I guess you're planning on resetting if something goes wrong, right?
Yeah.
That would make sense.
Yeah, I missed it.
They're just running back.
Yeah, they had to have a healer run back, mass everybody.
Not a big deal.
Yeah, happens every once in a while.
What's going on?
What was all that about with...
Oh, they were wondering if I needed laundry done.
Oh, okay.
You can never be too careful with this production squad.
Is that what it goes without cabs closed?
Smiling at us and waving at us means they want to do some bit.
Uh-huh.
Now they were just sneaking a question.
You know, I feel like they're a little, like, antsy right now,
see right now because I don't know if you noticed but when we had Dash and I on
here earlier they had brought out more wheel but we never got to actually spin
it and what was the plan just to rip it I mean if things got boring and we've
ran out of topics to talk about spin wheel in case of emergency yeah exactly
yeah I think they want that there's a mini wheel also hitting the mini wheel
as a great success yeah it's a huge honor it's like you get a double spin
I think there's even like spin the wheel again on the mini wheel or something so he had like a triple. Oh, wow
Yeah, very special. I hope someone lands on calamaz. He eats a gluten nut. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what is that part of the wheel?
Yeah
Kind of messed up. I don't think they'll actually make him eat it. You never know though. Oh, I would eat it for him
Well, no, that's that's isn't the part of the wheel is that calamaz eats the gluten not not somebody eats a good nut
We need to see what happens
But if I eat it, he can't so there you go checkmate. There's only one nut
No, there's two you've done this to turn us right. Oh, yeah
Yeah, that not at the waterfall
What do you need to be in there a druid or orblest or torn or knelf or high mountain torrent. Yeah
What if we things
All right, what is this? This is five
This will be five. Yes, it will be five. But we're counting the wipes. So we're still on forward.
Do not increase yet.
Man, this expansion, you just cannot see anything in melee.
Maybe that's all the time and I'm just noticing it more, but something or the arcane mages.
I think it's a combination of like so much melee, so many melee effects are going off,
Especially to whenever you start adding in the frost DK you get like the remorseless winter in their breath thing and stuff like that
But you have these the showman's like an ascendance. You got the wind walker monk
That's doing the fist if you're a two warriors blade stormy. It's I would do what is going on in melee. It is pretty bad in there for sure
There's only one thing I can think of that is more
That is worse than this and that is raiding in Final Fantasy with all spell effects on well raiding in Final Fantasy
It's certainly worse than this. That's a good point. Mm-hmm. I
I forgot that that was a setting you can turn off.
You can't see anything in a raid, it may play as a final fantasy if you have all spell effects on.
Yeah, I can imagine that game is quite flashy.
Alright, they're dashing three through here, even though they only need to do two, but it doesn't matter,
because only two had the masks. They just keep the same strat every phase, because they will have to do three at the end.
Dodging the daggers and the orbs now they get sucked but they have nice portal placements
so they'll just kind of stay in the middle here nice and chill healers heal seems like
a very fun part to heal healers you're gonna want to heal here you'll hear and they want
to heal here as well because people will take damage hopefully not too much they won't
get hit by the pie slice oh nick I don't know what that was hover ooh drinaco going
down. I think this is going to be a reset, a renail on the boss. Basically they're only
going to be res at the 430 mark. They actually don't start the fight with a B res because
of how they have to do this rat. And as we saw earlier, you can't 18 man the boss for
a prolonged period of time. You can only like 19 man that potentially.
So if you're Blizzard watching this, you know, there were talks about do they nerf
this boss and they were surprised that they didn't. It takes liquid and echo,
you know, maybe over double-digit poles, maybe into like 20.
Five.
Do you think the blizzard goes, yeah, actually we should
have nerfed it, and they throw in a nerf this week?
Five.
I thought that they should have hit this fight with like a 10%
HP nerf, remove the ability to be able to one tank,
and then nerf Queen's Bane again.
Those are the three, those are the things
that I would have changed about this fight.
It's more just like liquid and echo,
or an extra reset scare, maybe in the reset
after worth the gear in terms of item level.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a different approach,
but it does seem like the content for the gear you get
is a lot harder, and then gearing is slow.
Like I'm just kind of going through the Pug Life
and Mythic Plus, and I'm just having to grind out the crest
and upgrade little by little to just get to the next level.
So they intentionally changed that this patch
because they moved myth track from four out of four
to six out of six, and so in the past,
it was a six item level differential between heroic item level gear, so like the top of
Mythic Plus loot whenever you'd upgrade it, that was a six item level difference, now
it's 13, and so yeah the gear cap is just way higher this patch and you've noticed it.
But then you know guilds like Liquid, guilds like Echo, they min max as much Myth gear
as they can possibly get from things like PoE farming or whatever else, vaults and
whatnot, but then they also have all of their gear at max hero track as well, and so they
are very far ahead of most other groups in terms of how much gear they're going to have.
Now, this reset for most people, your heroic crests, you should be able to have most, if
not all of your gear fully upgraded to the top of hero track, but that wasn't necessarily
true last weekend, unless you were in the Guild Like Liquor Echo.
Something I'm curious of is, we saw them intermittently throughout the day going
through different instances and actually clearing a bunch of trash, just to try to get BOE drops.
I'd like to get like a number from somebody on how many actual BOEs they got, how fruitful was
that because those BOEs that dropped, those are three of six myth track items. Those are 629,
which is actually quite useful.
Here's kind of OP. I think they got three rather early on, but I don't know how many
more pieces, if any more they got about that.
Great, cats, type in three.
Keep typing 5, keep typing 5.
We're on pole number 5 chat, not number 3.
I think they were saying 3BOE's.
Careful with those numbers.
Yeah, you're going to confuse people.
Yeah, you have to add a description if the number is not the pole count, just so we know no one is confused.
So we'll probably see that number go up one more time.
Maybe they'll try and limp their way through this, but I think they're going to have trouble with those Queen Bane dots.
I suspect we'll be typing six soon. Yeah, I guess they have a hard time resetting
right before the intermission because the boss goes to the middle and they can't
drag it out anymore so maybe they're just trying to live through this save some
augment runes. Nick does have the soul stone so if they choose to just wipe it
here he can quickly soul stone on reds everyone on but they're gonna try to
keep everyone alive just so they don't lose buffs and after we do all that
stuff again so they can reset it after the fact. Oh she did the voice
line executed oh whenever she whenever she actually hit somebody below 10% she
with the executed yeah yeah at this point it is reset get that number up one
six one six yes that's the thing I was forgetting about this fight for like the
pole count is you can rip the poles very fast like it's not been that long and
they've already done six poles so it's not impossible that does go to like
20 I guess, but yeah I thought I'm still thinking it's under under 10. I don't say that
I mean they got really close you know was it 3% mm-hmm so definitely possible to just kind of clutch it out quickly
Which is what they want. I I'm sure they're confident coming into this fight
But it has been a big question on how long the re-clear is gonna be if it wasn't nerfed
You just fired up HP start with a six on a mage. Whoo
Wait does he really have six million health?
Looks like it. 6.1.
Wow. What I love. He's 6.27.
Yeah, as I say, that was higher than what we had during
M-plus testing. That was 6.26
that we were scaled to. Oh my gosh.
What is the guild's item of now?
Are you able to pull it up on that laptop? Yeah. On the brood twister kill they were 6.22.8.
Couple weird factors there though. They had the two alt blood decays in that were a little lower.
there was a C18 and 620. Also, we know that they haven't sent every single
possible upgrade yet, right? They're still sitting on their crests, or most of
them are. There's a good possibility that a number of them are still sitting on
their vault, just so they can optimize weekly loot. You know, you might have a
couple of different boss items that you're hoping to get, and you might not,
you might be the only one that can actually use that as an upgrade from the
raid. So, rather than take it from the vault right away, they'll wait to
see if it drops in the raid. If it drops in the raid, they can take
something else out of their vault. We'll have a better idea of where their
item level is when they actually start pulling the answer. I suspect it'll be quite a bit
higher than the 622.8 mark. It's probably going to be upwards of 625.
Okay.
I'll see you though.
That would be quite good.
And what was the number, does it have it there for last week?
I stopped.
622.
What?
Silkencore was like 622.81, I want to say, in that area. A little over 622.
Okay. All right. Get ready to add another number.
7. Resetting once again.
7. It is nice they didn't fix the reset.
That is nice, yeah. True.
It's pretty easy to wipe the rest of the slide. So they're pulling this boss right now at
624.3 and whenever they killed it they were 622.4.
Okay. Not that much.
1.99 mobiles. I mean I guess they were like
thick to begin with. You know they farmed a battle, they can get out of heroic.
They also haven't sent all of their their myth track crests for gear upgrades. They haven't crafted largely
So they're still gonna be some gear. Do you think you craft or do you just upgrade?
I guess it depends on your particular lose. You might be crafting a heroic piece. Oh
That is true because they didn't get the item from yeah, the answer at Crest man's wreck
And they would most likely just do that if you crafted a two-hander and then you can craft the off piece that buffs the
embellishment on the two-hander
Is that what most people are doing?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
That'll be a nice boat.
A lot of people had it on, like, PVP bracers or belt or something like that, with the PVP socket.
So under some circumstances, that might have been actually a worse piece of gear for you.
But sockets are on average about 10 out of more voles?
They're really bad, this expansion.
I don't know if you've looked at Sims for gyms, but plus one gym on my mage,
which is not that badly, it's like 620.
It's like 2,000 MDPS.
A lot of people ended up having to take sockets on their mains this week too.
This week?
Yeah.
This week that's pretty bad.
Last week it wasn't that bad because it was just like delve gear and heroic gear.
Yeah, a lot of people took sockets on their gear this week too.
It's brutal.
In liquid or just in the world?
Both.
Ooh.
I don't feel good to kill all those mythic bosses and you don't get something out
of the box.
Okay.
I don't know about it.
What about you and your box look?
Yeah.
like pretty baby but they got they both got tear so that's good because they've
got here last week also so now I just need to catalyze some stuff I have zero
pieces of tear oh have you been plugging the rates kill through silken
cord earlier today yeah oh right okay just no luck with your house unfortunately
yeah I have three potential pieces right from two from the cattle is one from the
token but I just never had any one to drop yeah yeah never had any other
tier brutal is the odd tears I'm actually quite good this year I'm actually not
bad what is it more mainstaff for the people whenever you buff them with that
with Evan might okay are you gonna be playing auger you're gonna follow these
guys and play dev I'm a mythic plus only kind of guy so augmentation is the
choice for that okay still good there yeah they have a lot of evokers on
this fight. Oh, days are going down. That's pretty bad. Yeah, first intermission deaths
should just be a reset. Yeah, especially we saw like they did good damage on that pole
they got it low but they still I think just need everybody alive probably till they're
like third almost near the end of the fight. Eight. About third intermission then they
could probably lose somebody but maybe they'll 11 and a half dash gave us was the
right odds. That might be right. I definitely hammered the under but now I'm feeling less
great about it. They could still slam it out in one of these three or four pulls here.
Something else that Dash brought up as an interesting topic point that I think I'd like
to hear you guys' opinion on as well is the question he asked was if there was a standout
raider for individual play this tier right now, who would you think of right now? And I'll
tell you right now, him and I both instantly thought Daisy, you know, as somebody who
has not been in for the first, you know, 66% of the pulls.
He came in on, grew a twister like halfway through,
came in on Pevesa halfway through,
and then also just played up to the standard of the guild
while not having those extra pulls.
I think he clutched a couple of kills for them,
but anyone else that you guys can think of?
I would be inclined to say Boomi or Impec.
Boomi would probably be my standout performer
because it's his first year in the guild,
first year rating and a racial first experience.
He's been on every pull of every single individual boss.
And I can't really think of a time that he's dying. He's also the person who's taunting
He's he's he's getting assigned jobs as well in the raid, which is not something that you normally also get assigned
It's like a first-tier Raider and a raster will first kill. He's like taunting the boss on this fight making sure that his die by the
Swords available, so he's basically playing down a defensive over the Riku on the other warrior
And so he doesn't have that available for him. So then he has to be very diligent about getting externaled if he needs it
He's I don't I can't remember a time that he was dying on this boss
Like so his first progress here. Yeah, he is very good. That's that's definitely a good shot
Mm-hmm. What do you think guys? Yeah, my knee jerk would just be fired up
But yeah, I I think I agree with you on Dayzer because he also I didn't think so much progression last here
So this is like almost like his trial run and he just stepped up to some of the hardest bosses
We've ever seen and like you said he did so good like I didn't didn't notice him dying extra to anything
It's like he was there the whole time and that's really hard to do on a fight this hard
Is it like keep up with the people who've already put in like 200 poles over you? And so yeah, yeah, I agree with you
That's a good like dark horse pick. I think like Alice is also a good pick
Yeah
Me atlas is less of a pick for that particular strategy just because I kind of I kind of expect him to be there
Is it like a dark horse standard or is it just like stand-up performer stand-up performer?
I mean he's yeah, whenever Atlas gets play time
He's one of the guys that you love love seeing because he's just just one of those insane performance players
Obviously they have a ton of really insane players, so it's hard to choose standout people, but he's definitely one of the ones who you love seeing in the raid, especially when DK is good.
Yeah, I mean, don't put a past god also having to one tank this. I don't know how difficult it is.
is Dratnose is saying there's points where it's harder than two tanking and you know
he's getting hit by the boss the whole time and then like you're taking more
damage but then I guess because you don't have the other tank with the dot the
healers have like an easier time with it but yeah scott's quite a difficult job
on this fight needs a place every portal needs to make sure he gets the
res and doesn't just like instant-taught and die but also taunt quick
enough that it doesn't fall apart yeah the other thing that I wanted to
point out about the one tank and the reason I think the Guardian Druid one tank
is so impressive, back when they were two tanking this fight, Yip's on the
brewmaster was the one taking the brunt of the pink busters, he would take two
every phase, Scott would just take the one in the middle to help reset Yip's.
Yes. Now doing that on the Guardian Druid with no reset, who was almost dying
to just the one he was taking when they were two tanking, is extremely
impressive. Now obviously he dies a lot, but all of that's up by design as
we've already covered. Hey, while we've been chatting here we've got a
a good pull. Two minutes in through the intermission. All players alive, still have the battle res
ready for Scott whenever he needs to use it in P3.
Yep, we'll place it down these portals. Nice little Pentagon formation, Scott running over
there to place the last one. Nick running out this Queensbane to do the orbs. Flying
back in, easy, safe in the middle. Nothing can go wrong here. Alright, next to come.
Oh my gosh, everybody just drops so low as his portals go off.
Yeah, nice breezy dash, more Queensbane dots going out on some people.
Dots dies here, which is fine. We soul stone.
This is the plan that's soul stone's for.
Boomy taunts with Dive by the Sword, thanks the boss there.
Yep, not scary at all.
Yeah, Scott doesn't have to taunt right away.
He's got a few seconds of Dive by the Sword to live.
This is a weird polling though.
Those Poles are not in the right place.
That's going to take a few players.
Everybody to get pulled in and we're gonna get a reset. Yeah, there was one portal that was offset in the wrong spot there
Which caused the center of gravity of those ports to be right on top of one of the portals first off nine
Yeah, second off. This was the difference between the liquid strat and the echo strat that I saw because those portals are so close
It's difficult to find where the equilibrium is gonna be on where those portals are kind of where that safe spot
Is gonna be if the portals were just a little bit further away from your character
you could actually find a nice safe spot, but because they're just like so close to one another,
if the safe spot is just a little bit off-center, then you can just get sucked right into the portal.
That's, that I feel kind of indicated because what Echo is doing is kind of what I was talking
about potentially doing, not necessarily exactly, but doing the diagonal lines in order to make it
so that the center is more free. The thing that I wasn't thinking of was using the boss
placement as a mask, as a mask breaker. That's something that Echo is doing in their
which I think is pretty cool.
Moving the mirrors has to individually move the boss in order to make sure the correct ones are being broken on the first charge
That's a really cool strategy that they came up with. I think that's probably gonna be what most guilds are gonna do for their progression.
Yeah, I suspect so as well, but I don't think that like I don't think that the liquid strat is like
Noticeably worse or anything. No, I don't think it is either. No, it's less like
Perfect geometry. I think yeah the liquid one. Yeah the echo and it looks echoes looks really cool when they do it
Just the way they dash.
Yeah, I don't know. It's just like a cool like she goes in a little zigzag around
They do they do the two clockwise pattern
Yeah, I think I think that most people are gonna end up using the echo strap because I
Because it gives you a little bit more leeway
yeah
Yeah, try it like they place them in the pentagon thing too and then they like kind of offset the dashes and
They always have them crisscross because you need to clear two masks at one point
in phase two and three.
And so they have a spot to do that,
but also a spot to only pick one for the first phase.
And then the second dash, they just have everyone
go straight through the boss,
like to the opposite side of the room.
And then that clears all remaining masks.
I wish a method had come up with something different.
I wanna see more variations on some of the geometry.
They're very well made, maybe a new variation
that some other guild comes up with that ends up being, you know, the premier progression
strat. We've seen that happen with other bosses in the past. I don't really come to
mind right now, but like...
Ilgenoth.
Yes, actually, Ilgenoth is a fantastic...
It's like at Ilgenoth part two.
Yes. If you guys remember Ilgenoth, there was a strategy where you just never dispelled
the debuffs ever. You kept them on players the entire fight. It was a lot of damage
to heal through, and if one debuff died, the entire raid died. But theoretically,
It was easier to deal with that way since you never had to stack and spread out and stack and spread out.
Yeah.
That's a good shout.
I was the only one that really comes to mind.
Yeah, maybe.
I'm sure there were others.
A big one that I can think of, I don't know when the strat got adopted, but it was on Rosticon.
I know Bubba for BDG came up with this really clever strat where they would use the portals for going under as a safe spot.
Oh yeah.
And the orbs would just be protected by all the gates.
Yeah, you were standing against the wall and you had a full range comp standing underneath.
Yeah.
I thought that was like, the strat that, eh...
That was the strat that I would use, but maybe that's just me, dog.
Oh, I actually have one. I'm gonna age myself here.
Siegecrafter Blackfuse.
Mmm.
Blood Legion got the world first kill on that boss by empowering drills.
And then they were the only guild to ever do that, because midwinter empowered bombs.
Every time they could, instead.
And made the room much more clean and clear, and everyone's like,
Yeah, we're just going to do that one. That looks a little easier.
I would love to see a siege craft type fight come back.
I mean, actually I guess Brute Twister is similar where he picks your path.
Trill going down.
Trill down, yeah. This will probably be a reset coming out of this intermission.
This is the first one.
Yep, this is going to be a reset.
Trill going down as well.
Going to spell the end a little bit.
Yeah, still an insanely punishing fight.
I mean, a lot of the mechanics the gear does not help with.
I mean, barely with the queen's main dot, you know, they've got a little more stamina.
Fired up with this beefy 6.1 million.
Chat, which, which wipe is this?
10. It's the lucky number 10.
Ooh.
Okay.
So I've been wronged.
I was thinking under 10.
17.
69.
5.
10.
Everybody type 10.
It can't be 10 though, there's no way.
It is.
We've been counting.
3, 13, 567, I sure hope not.
Don't they have better gear? Why are they one tanking?
Somebody asks in chat.
Chatting.
No, they're being serious.
Yeah, they're just doing it, I think, because the reason they did it the first time when I asked C.O.R.I.
was he was talking to me about it. He said, either you've got to be perfect and play through with...
Like if you two tank yet to be perfect and nobody can really die because the DPS check is so crazy
Yeah, you're already playing
Perfect and wanting nobody to die and why not just have an extra DPS in and do this little tank juggle that they're doing and
We're seeing that they had a wipe where somebody died early and they still could not beat the DPS
So they had two deaths early at two deaths in the second intermission. Actually, they had three Sevill also died
But he on so didn't come for a battle res
Um, it's a lot of wings up time. That is a lot of there's a lot of wings up time for days here
They all dead at the same time unfortunately
Yeah, Malarkas and exile died they've raised up exile
Malarkas was dead for the last two and a half minutes and they wiped it 200%
Malarkas I think is their highest DPS in the last phase to that guy. I think he was doing like
55 million damage
But from the last 30 seconds of the fight is he also sitting like a mad queen's mandate there or something
I have no idea. I must be. I think he's just BM Hunter.
Yeah, BM. I'm assuming Stodds is execute and then there's so much mobility in that last phase.
Killstaff is pretty garbage, but yeah, they still have it.
Doesn't Kill Command do some sort of buff when they're low?
I could be right on that. Maybe that's old tech.
Turns out being able to do all your damage on the move in a high intensity movement phase is pretty nice.
Yeah, oh yeah, very nice.
It's a cozy progression spec, because you're never worried about finishing casts and getting
clipped by anything.
You can just run around.
This is the last pull that the under-voters can take on that 11.5 over-underline we said
earlier, so hopefully they kill it.
Otherwise...
Was there a prediction in chat for that?
I don't know if there was, but myself, Aya, and Dash all took the under on the 11.5.
Oh no.
Might all be wrong here.
It looks like Trill wants his boss dead.
Vegas might be winning this one.
Alright, I'm coming to his little range spot.
He's got a little buddy over there.
Looks like Jernako.
Make sure not to cleave each other.
The really nasty line is the one that runs right there, that lines up with the slice.
Yeah.
It's sketch sometimes, because
when you're moving, you're just sweeping across the whole room.
And they try and leave a little room.