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[A] Team Falcons vs. Team Spirit - PGL Wallachia Season 7 - Group Stage: Round 2 (1-0) - Day 2
03-09-2026 · 14h 12m
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The point is a little bit closer towards the access location, they're gonna try and
jumping with the rock might just shock them it's not enough they've got the
big kill but they have to commit pretty heavily the shark is gonna swap some of
the damage coming through from our mate but it doesn't matter in the end you'll
deal with the ages are you gonna be able to get out to live the tail though
because off the back of the respawned armor he's gonna want some revenge
the starting to run over towards the right side but still extra works it
might have a target on his back you're trying to swim back in the
He's gonna be fine and now the retreat needs to be called for nemesis
The ATOS is gonna hope the voice for into place man. He's still gonna dissimulate to work with but
XM shield rude.
He gets off.
He's got that X off, but it's gonna be out of the time.
XM's way out of position.
The four step out of the high ground.
The double four step to get away.
But the shout around the ULs used by Foxy.
They've got the control.
XM tattooing back into the pit of the house.
He's gonna have to imprison it himself.
He has to find out where the front lines.
He's looking for the ravage.
That's gonna land.
They're gonna kill an XM and they'll look towards the rest.
Why in trouble?
These BKBs still running.
Why did Shiro die?
They've got a triple kill for Mickey.
They're going to look over and plant it and it's four heroes down the side of VG.
to get the shrine.
Not going to be able to stop the GP.
Now the rotations are coming over.
They're going to wrap around with the smoke.
Who are they going to find?
Hex.
The finger and the sun, right?
That's going to get the ages out of the hands of the Earth.
So but now Whisper moving forward to throw out that ravage
and only lands on a two.
The blink away, right in the hands of K.
Or he's not able to get the Super No-Ball.
Boost to 5F.
Silence now.
Pipe popped by this Tidehunter.
Jumping forward, he got the pull of Ryze.
It's going to land up a Coda.
The next thing for him is down.
They get the silencer out of the Abaddon, they get to come to Makoto!
Whisper on the run now and jump down to V-Tune!
The borrowed time has run out, the stands of time are now going back towards this Abaddon!
And it's not looking good!
JJ and Gaisa WS though jump onto V-Tune, the right clickster there with a BKBB caught by Yuma!
Let's see who's gonna be helping Koot.
Those are these...
Trapunels and Firesprit are helping Heroic to finish off Farosh, Mira in the front line.
There's the Hatch, Serpent Lords.
to get him out of those crates and now Rosh is very low but KJ comes over and overgrowth on the three
that might just cost him his life and will there wasn't much follow-up to that either and now
they're gonna walk into Rosh himself don't think about the Rackley of Tylong he's about half health
Acropyre down out of the Rosh whispers inside the pimp up to BKB because he's all derived they
never get the supernova off to the side they're gonna try to find a solid damage Rosh is
Who's gonna pick up Jagan?
Who's gonna pick up the ages?
It's on the ground!
Finally picked up my WSU pillow in the Macono!
So, they take out the sniper.
They'll have the Primal Back.
Tylen's down and gone.
Three heroes dead.
Make it up fourth.
The Weaver's the only one alive for a heroic.
And it works out for Aurora.
ground. He's gonna be flying ice back onto Natumi. And what if they didn't have any other support to
enable some stuns and now they're gonna be able to jump in with the Recklin combos they got the
noob they do. Rap the dance is not gonna be there. He's gonna buy that Brunei. He's gonna use it shortly.
The buyback's coming through from OGE. A massive balance try. Push back as well. But the Recklin
does come back and they get to the tip of the can. Natumi! Can't secure it. He just
He's just keeping away, he's just forced to stand his ground and man fight, but he will absolutely not be able to do so in OG.
The back of the snipe on the AA is there. A five back on Renees and top of the juicer of the forward.
Cease to Carlos opening forward.
Roush up the Kaddashama.
Niku gets the kill while SSS.
He's on the run back.
Knightback snatches the Aces as Roshan dies.
The Mars and Wieners defensively with a nice two-man spear.
But the BKB and a TB from Tinker giving protection to SSS.
And Saitani is in on Zayas.
A few swipes of the Katana takes the Osprey out of the gate.
The wire fences barbed wire.
Mines, all sorts of business here.
Hello, we jump on this Razer with the arena of experience.
This is the Ice Blast comes in, but God of Juice dropped low.
The BKB all of the turns, the lives of your backup.
Razer's still going to finish off the Mars, and Nick, who picks up a double kill.
God of Juice will still die, though, to say panic.
The kez goes wild, but he's blowing up my PMA!
No one, last man standing here in the fight, getting double edged and whacked around.
And he kicks someone out.
The Mars, oh the Mars, you turn him into a stone, a statue gets kicked all the way back in.
Javisle's looking at me, giving me arena out on Xayah's on the gate.
Chats on the left-hand side, got the juice, goes dive into the tinker now.
Mars in trouble, Logan is low enough, we're fresh and heal this back up in the tinker.
Protecting me from the arena somewhat, Revence deep from Neku's ever hunting with Satanic.
Pick up a double kill on the other side.
Tinker dies, by fact, Ravine and Ravine have razes falling.
Satanic, in blood, and Javisle and Morse both die at the same time.
Age is claimed up.
The Satanic will buy back. In the base, the back will fall off.
Nabi returns again with Goththajuice going ham!
The Satanic, the triple kill. The big cares with the Reaper in his hands.
Forces Nabi to buy back on his ever spirit.
Hatched up as the ice blast flies. Tinkers in trouble, but so's Niku.
Nightclash of Triple S, pairing up with Satanic to get an Ultra Kill.
Niku's out. No buyback for him.
And Parabizion have offended their base, got some massive kills.
Nabi thought they could end the game, but it wasn't a bait.
Just like the sun takes down the Earth Spirit.
That's going to be a dieback.
And Botanga's got nothing left in the tank.
He needs to run.
There's no BKBs.
He's got a pounce, but a nice E-blade out from BZM
to buy him some space.
They turn their attention to the Centaur.
They take him out, and a Warlock will join him.
The Ursa's hungry, man.
33 slowing him up, and there he is.
It's an ultra kill.
He's just dead to start the fight you committed way too far the goaling comes out you lose the clockwork and Chrisless on the front line trying to do his best but Watson has the chance to do his best.
Has the damage now it is a running out of Steve here for miles boom might get a kill on to malady if he's lucky
But that's not even gonna happen. This will be a full team life and Yandex will get the Roshan as well
Out from Yatharoth! He is unstoppable!
He still has chrono!
And Dragonite, where is he? In the middle of them all?
Chrono and Spear! Connecting here!
Allowing them to get onto the DK, but decrypt by time!
Heal him up a touch!
Snaking is a target now!
It's both skitter and snaking in serious danger!
Puck is falling low-sure!
Lorda picks up a triple kill!
But Yatharoth is the king of the hill!
And Time Valetius is coming off cooldown.
Soon he has to get out of here. No more remnants available.
And he's not getting away.
Time Valetius there! There's no escape!
The faceless boy comes in, walks space-time, takes the Ember spirit down and off.
After a thrilling day two, we are kicking off day number three here with P.J.
season 7 and that means there is extra to talk about. We'll get to that in a
little bit. Let me first introduce you to the people that will talk to. I'm
Sheva and I'll be talking to Jenkins and Gunnar. Jenkins, how are you doing this
morning? Hello. Are you with me first? Yeah. I figured I'd change it up, you
know. Keep doing your toes. I'm great. We've had two crazy days of Dota. I
know I said this after day one. That was probably the craziest
Fallokia day one that we've had, which I guess all of us were
expecting they do it can't be that crazy but it was again we had a very long
game I think stream B had it a little bit longer than over 75 minutes yeah
yeah but lots of two ones lots of very close games and you know once again we
got a tournament of crazy shit happening with standards we do and it is
day three gunner you know what that means and two teams are going home
and two teams are making it through oh yes I mean that's that's that's
Okay, let's talk about teams per second that that are in those positions
You want to say you can you get to choose kind of a
Jengles will take the other four sure. I I think the
It's the teams are on the brink of elimination aren't you seeing to me?
I think yellow submarine we've both been hoping like every day. We're like
Yes, they're gonna be good
This is the dark horse and they're struggling and I think the other big one is honestly its mouse og which
Both of those teams if you think of the last pgl they were doing pretty good
And now they're kind of in this position where one of them is going home today
Yeah, it was obviously the defending champions on one side and
Top six on the other side
It was also like a I don't say a dominant top six, but it was a fan favorite top six
Yeah, like they had great good games good stories and
Now one of their stories is gonna be over meta defining to yeah, like people were copying people who are copying ojif
I mean sit to this day like remnants of that
that OG style is currently in the meta and I mean Maus are the defending champions.
Like, the hell's happening here?
What's going on?
I mean, yeah, it's a shame one of these teams is going home, actually.
It's a damn shame.
But it does mean that in the upper parts of the bracket, we also have some pretty incredible
stories.
Yeah.
The top four right now, Liquid, Paravision, Team Spirit and Heroic, James, I guess,
the odd one out.
Is there an odd one out?
Yes, there is.
Yeah, but they've been on upward trajectory though. I mean, they're awesome. So I'm glad to absolutely glad to see it
I wouldn't be surprised if heroic with this roster is a consistent at worst top 16
Like I think top four is honestly not even out of the question. They've been looking really good
I think whisperer. I think he sure just his off lanes way better than his mid
I think his mid is good because he plays a lot he likes playing mid
But his off lanes like S tier I think Tylong is an S tier mid and then you might like all their players their cores
especially have been kind of popping off recently so I
Those top four make sense to me like if you told me this is the top four going into date number three on like day one of the tournament
Wouldn't be surprised. I mean, yeah, that that makes sense
Yeah, what I like about what I like most about heroic is just the confusion in their drafts
Like you yeah, you I mean you watch some drafts go to EnVad and we're like we're like well
I don't understand this and I'll be honest like I feel like every time I watch them like I genuinely
They genuinely learn a lot about the game, like they have very fresh ideas and they're, it's their ideas, you know what I mean, it's like whether it's right or wrong, like they're going to commit to it fully and oftentimes it ends up actually being correct and they subvert the meta and this is what you need to do if you want to get top 4 and not just top 8, top 10, like you have to subvert the meta and make the next one and be the first to do that so.
And if you want to be top 4 and if you want to, you know, be top 2, you obviously also
have to start with the good foundation and that all starts in the laning stage Jenkins.
You have some tips on how to deal with hard lanes?
Yeah, so we did talk about mouse and I wanted to take a look at a replay of, I mean, these
guys have very interesting ideas actually.
They're playing against the Trim Protector SF, pretty crazy to give that away.
This is the extent you have to go to to lane against these heroes.
You have a mortal fate. This was day one. So he was standing in
Walks with boots to the lane and a smoke. Yeah, and he
Deletes the trees using the cogs and that's not all he's gonna use the cogs for
He's also gonna use them to manipulate the creeps of the first creep wave
Of course cannot be aggroed but for some reason the ward units will actually aggro the creeps
Which is which works on the cogs
so they'll do a little bit of a body block here and
As you can see the result of this is that the first wave
goes into the tower so boom is actually chilling he's playing against the
literal strongest hypothetical lane in Dota but now the creep wave is in front of
his tower so very comfortable for him now what does immortal faith do with the
next wave while boom is chilling in front of his tower he grabs that he puts a
sentry ward down in the camp and then he hits it as it goes up the high
ground so the creep wave doesn't run away and then he plays behind the
tower in a new creepy gulabrium that he has created so they farm not a
a little bit and this gives them a chance to go for it. This looks like a kill attempt,
but it's not. It's just a little bit of lane pressure. And now, after all of this, we can
like 450 gold on boom and almost as full tranquil boots. So basically this gets them to that
point in the game that he can just like sustain and go jungle and farm in the lane. And like,
I thought this was a very interesting example of like, okay, holy shit, how do you give
way, Triant plus SF. What do you do? It's like all of that just to have a fit to go like
that. You're going to be an ish and maybe maybe in two, three minutes and you're still behind
and by the way, they did what they did when the early game in that game, but they lost
the game. It was the typical, you can't deal with the SF in the late game, but this
is the extent you have to go to to try to even get past the early game. Yeah.
And that's play. And you also have an example of how people are trying to get
some people are letting shadow fiend through. Obviously, here road yesterday was successful.
Yeah, so eventually so these are all the teams that have successfully
subverted the meta and beaten SF and I wanted to look at some of the answers
Heroic this one is crazy, you know, they have the the mebo which traditionally has been very good against SF
But Darkseer you I'm just gonna create an illusion of SF. That's your hero is so strong
Let's just take a version of that for us
And I've seen a few other teams do that actually and try that we saw liquid. They played with a carry Marcy
So basically just a like these two drafts are just a melee here
actually all three drafts melee hero get on top of SF and
Burst him and then in the other draft. I believe it was Ursa
Bat rider something like this. You just
Hard burst this hero completely hard counter. I see it as like they basically this like high physical damage here
That walks you down like Ursa me Po Marcy right like all they do is just meant may their interview and do high physical damage
And then all of them are also paired with BKB piercing stuff. So they have last one one
They have the Viper ults with the clock hook and the other the liquid one
They actually don't have too much BKB, but even that's your Marcy. I guess that's your Marcy kind of does it
But also pocket pockets 25 you do I think also the Largo movement speed lets you like constantly chase into the shadow fiend with like sustain
So kind of like fits that but the other two definitely looks like there's part BKB and part just killing him during his BKB
Yeah, and then you've got to have the right items going to do that with as well because that also requires a little bit of
Picking and choosing. Yeah, so I was looking at the best items right now of and so swiftly
It makes sense because it's just an expensive item
You're gonna get this when you're so whenever you get there you're winning
But I think the cool ones to note are the and disc and Daedalus because I think that kind of shows the meta right now
Which is these like very high burst heroes like you think of shadow fiend does very well
And how do you deal with just getting to shop by a shot fiend at the andisk?
So I think that people are kind of starting to realize that
You need to have as much damage as possible in a short amount of time and the supports need to kind of deal with it
Mm-hmm, but then on the other side the thing that I found was very interesting was the
Worst items that is kind of being performed
Which is two of them kind of make sense in the meta which is Midas and
The radiance because it was kind of farming items that don't really give you this like burst
Yeah, but the two that actually surprised me the most were butterfly and goceptor actually have about a 30% win rate
They're supposed to be good it's supposed to be good versus like physical right like butterfly gives you evasion
It gives you armor go scepter. We saw it you know makes your theory. You can't be taken physical damage
But I think those don't give you on course
They don't give you the burst damage that like a data list does or an abyssal blade or silver edge
Which is another like pretty successful item and it's also I think those items don't do anything against magic damage
So when you're building pure damage like a data list, it's like oh
It doesn't matter if there's a magic damage here because you'll two-shot like you see a skyrath me
She gets two shot, but the butterfly doesn't help you really to shot them
You still have to like three four five hits
So it's pretty cool to see that now average is front loading their damage
I mean go go scepter makes sense to me like ever since they made it so you can't ghost and be maybe at the same time
I feel like that item is just kind of garbage, but butterflies very interesting. It's weird
I think that's a weird one the items I felt like always at the highest win rates where she was and butterfly
Yeah, because they just do so much to the enemy like she was does the attack speed slow and the
H4 reduction and then just the evasion from butterfly
It's one of the only couple items in the game that gives you a vision and it forces this MKB
Yeah, it's pretty cool that it's not getting picked up especially with all the or not winning that much
Yeah, especially like all the shadow fiends and tea
Yeah, we could take a look at the the heroes that are successful at the moment and see how it really ties together because
It is oh home
Shadow fiend is in that list of successful heroes
Yeah, it's uh, I think for me like the physical ones here are the earth's a shadow team
I think right under here. There's like a ta is also someone in the top 10
I want to say and so it's like the carries are definitely all these like super super high damage
They're gonna kill you in two three seconds
But then the supports are a lot of just like random teamfight a we damage that that like butterfly goes up doesn't help you
With right, how does it help with a fatal bonds like you're still gonna die to this a we damage fatal bond
You're still gonna die to the Largo eggs
Even like the Mars arena, so it's pretty much right now
Now I think the game is just BKBs, ORAs, and as much damage as you can get.
Alright, well let's see which teams want to buy some BKBs in their series today, because
we have another four series coming your way on both streams, and this is stream B.
Now you'll see the bottom two series.
Those are the four teams that are on the brink of potentially elimination if they don't
make it through this day because all four of those teams are zero two right now in the Swiss group stage. And at the start of the day, those four teams you see are all one one. So they will be regardless moving forward to tomorrow, which I mean, you got to choose OG mouse. I don't feel like I need to ask which series series with the defending champions in it 100% must watch.
Yeah, and it just says I mean that that will be at the end of the day and that will be a tough choice guys because there's also
the a stream coming your way and
That at the end of the day has all our two O's so you got to choose between ogm mouse and spear heroic
Which I think will be blockbuster in its own right as well
But if you can't choose that one gunner which one you're going for I
Think this first one the tundra aurora both of the teams
I want to say something to prove like tundra as they're standing yeah with Parker
but and Aurora also has a say in the V2. So I think these are the teams that are kind of doing okay with Stens,
because some of the teams I think with ones are doing pretty not good. So I'm pretty excited for this,
especially with Tundra just coming off a win about a week ago in Dream League. And I don't really
know who I would give the phases to. I want to say Tundra, because they did just win, but
Aurora has looked pretty good in some of their games. Yeah, well let's focus our attention
on that first series, because it is going to be a repeat of that Grand Finals, literally just
about a week ago, Jenkins. Yeah, I wanted to go back and I guess relive how that transpired. I feel
like a lot of it was based on strategy. First you had Tundra kind of dismantling liquid in terms of
banning all of Nisha specialty heroes and then letting all the OP heroes through,
Figuring out essentially how to play against those and how to play like whatever is left in and they kind of did a similar thing
against
Against tundra if we go ahead and bring up the bring up the grand finals. Yeah, we don't have that. Okay
The it there was one game that tundra did not win
Yeah, and that was the one where they played against a very non meta draft from Aurora where they had like
like, faceless void on nightfall,
of course, V2 and Estanian, so it's a little bit different.
They had WS playing his staple Mars,
and it was like very heavy teamfight meta.
Any time the meta of the game looked just like normal
versus normal, Tundra would crush them.
Like, they can just play all the meta heroes better.
So I would, if you're an Aurora fan,
you want the game to look like Aurora
have some very Aurora style draft, but something which is off meta, something that is weird because
Tundra has clearly shown in winning that tournament. And they're still doing that. Like every team
is now copying the way that they, that they won that tournament. You have to basically,
you have to play off meta against them. It's not going to work otherwise. Like they've
dismantled the current meta more than any other team.
I remember the conversation that was had during that, the best of five, which
I think is something that I hope Aurora learned from a lot as well because those first two games that they played against each other
It was just the tundra show and it looked like Aurora was just drowning against them
And then in that game that they did win it was like, okay, you know what if we're gonna go out
We're gonna go out our style and they got an early Mars, which I think will be also in contention and they crushed they crushed it
in in indeed this game, so I just want to see them be
themselves. And I think Tundra is one of the best teams when it comes to drafting, to force
you to not be yourself. So that is, I think, definitely a risky factor for them in this series.
Yeah, stay outside of the box in terms of what everyone else is doing, but stay inside of your
box in terms of like what you're comfortable with, right?
Don't change yourself like too much, right? Yeah.
Get a team, but don't do a little something special. Yeah.
Do your thing. I kind of agree. I think Mars is going to be an interesting hero, like you said, because Tundra doesn't really play it.
Like 33 is not really a big Mars player, so I wouldn't be surprised if Tundra ends up banning it just because they don't want to deal with it.
It does so much in these drafts. It gives you a stun. It gives you teamfight. The laning stage is kind of an even lane.
It's kind of not as strong as a centaur for that position, but still just really solid. And WS is Mars is super good.
super good. And I think a lot of the times in this tournament, we've so far seen that
the good when Mars is a good performance, he kind of sets up his team to success.
And we saw Bach the other day, he gets us, like, Ag's Blinked BKB and just runs a game.
The game that Aurora won in the grand finals of that tournament, they actually first
picked the Mars. Yeah. So the like, they it's like what you said, Chief,
they're like, OK, fuck it, we're going to play our style, essentially.
So for 33, I mean, some of the interesting heroes like Brewmaster,
This is something that he keeps going back to.
Doom, he also keeps going back to that,
and this is some of the dismantling
of the current meta, Star Heroes,
where, to be honest,
literally nobody else was picking Doom in Dream League.
It was just him.
It may be Doom is not that great of a hero.
I know there's some tech with the facet
where you can get the heartbeat
and have an extra level in there.
That's a cool laning thing.
Yeah, it's like a cool laning thing, right?
But I think outside of countering current meta heroes,
Nobody would say, like, oh, Doom is a broken hero.
But this is just how Dota works.
Like a hero can, hypothetically, in a vacuum,
not be that good, but because it's hard countering Largo,
you can first pick it and block the Largo pick.
It's like, it lets you do certain things in the draft.
And I think that's what all the other teams have
essentially realized is like, okay,
we need to pick like less powerful heroes.
We need to make our draft a little bit weird
in order to let the meta-heroes
through encounter them,
even if it's like a preemptive counter.
Yeah, I do want to talk a little bit about the man on your screens right now because
we have got Parker as a stand-in. We also have Vichron as stand-in, so it means both carries
right now are
stand-ins, which I think yesterday you said Gunner that that was one of the
easier roles to slot into, or at least not the hardest ones to slot stand-ins in.
It's definitely easier, especially I think
maybe nightfall
Combs wise less but just gameplay wise. I think both of these carries are like their original team carries are like more of the individual
Greedy carries like they win you the games. They play very very good
So hopefully when you pick up V2 you pick a Parker
I would say that these pub these put I don't say pub players, but these like very very high skilled players do
naturally play into that style of
You see Parker this guy's gonna probably carry the game. She thinks she's doing a pee
I think it's good for to go back to the Kerry situation in attendance.
I think yeah it's something easy thing for them.
I think Aurora has more work that they have to do with V-Tune,
but especially when it comes to Shadow Fiend,
we saw him get a rampage on Day 1 of the tournament.
I think that's easier for him to slot in,
but Parker has more to prove,
so hopefully he's trying harder than V-Tune.
Yeah, I think it's one of the difficulties
for reading V-Tune as well,
is that he has only played two heroes, as we just saw.
Oh, yeah.
I have it on S.
The amount of time he's managed to get his hands
on Shadow Fiend is insane.
That's no other carries has a place shuttle fee three times tournament a little bit disrespectful
Like what is one of v2's best guys?
How many rampages does a guy need to get before you before you start banning it now?
I think it's reflective of the fact that like
Once again going back to dream like you have to leave in some of these heroes
If you want to take out some of the other specialty heroes from the players on the team
So it just happens to be the one that teams are currently trying to deal with
I think on day one we saw Largo get let through a lot and a lot of like dooms coming out
Day two maybe like the counters started getting banned and then as you showed Gunnar the Largo win rate was actually quite good
on on day two so
People are not trying to counter Largo anywhere. Maybe today like it's a I mean we also saw Trian
Going through a decent amount and and even ignored and ignored and it didn't look that great when we saw it
I think we saw it against Largo
So obviously that's a pretty good counter because you can look off the the tree and old which is pretty insane
But even still people didn't want to play against it before but yeah
Things are changing in front of our eyes and it'll be interesting to see what continues changing today
Especially because this is too. This is too very meta defining teams. Yeah, so even with the sun
I think the cool thing for
Aurora to give him benefit is I think Carrie his support heroes are just
The most annoying thing in the world, but he's been getting his Phoenix so much
Yeah, I think we've seen what three times. I want to say something like that. He just keeps our second phase
Let's just go 13 pick. Let's pick our Phoenix and then he just crushes every single game
So that in combination the shadow fiend surprising
I know there's a lot of annoying heroes right now those Beastmaster Batrider Margo even the Mars we talked about
Yeah, there's these annoying heroes, but I don't know UK
I feel like you cannot give this guy Phoenix every single game
He's funny. This is a funny guy. I think
Heroic in the the final game they played against each other yesterday in the final game. They did ban out. Yeah, the
Phoenix in the first phase they're like, okay, you know what that might have been part of the problem
And they did that overshadow fiend by the way, you know, I feel like it makes sense because oftentimes you see
It's like a really good warlock or jacquero game
You know, it's it's it's really obvious that that's the best out of the support picks because like they're so lacking of disable or something like that
Or the laning is not so good, and he just picks Phoenix anyway. It's it's his favorite hero
There's something that he's doing that is making it work in those situations where even if you're like lacking lockdown
He makes it work. So I would say like if someone is able to do this like hey Ori and they're like
Subverting expectations like that. There is something there. It means it is objectively good and we are simply wrong
And there's something they see in it that we do not and then when the meta develops and everyone is able to pick Phoenix like that
That's when it gets nerfed and you can't you can't continue doing that because I feel like there's a lot of times
Gonna we're like watching these drafts and it's like, okay. Here's a cure up to coming out. He's just Phoenix like I think
My prediction by the end of the tournament. It's you're gonna add a shadow into that pool and then it's those four heroes
Just they could win the whole tournament. He's gonna be like Phoenix tree Warlock shadow
And yeah, nothing else because this will happen last time with mouse, right?
Like I think it was literally four heroes or five years total in the entire tournament
He was the only one playing them and he was the best. Yeah at them. Yes
And now everyone now everyone's heard pretty interesting bands. I think from Tundra. It's very
So it's like, okay, we're gonna respect the WS Mars. We're gonna respect the Mikoto puck there
They're straight up following the same style that they did during dream. Yeah, it's like they're banning out the
The mid heroes that are not they're not expecting these to be first picked. This just means the later
Yeah, this is helping the later stages of the draft not be weird and they're just saying go ahead pick SF
We have counters
So yeah, I guess I think you do I think they're I mean maybe they'll pick the shadow fiend but
Okay, let's pick it. I just expected the 33 just want to yeah, I like his thing
I expected like the hard counter to come out as well, but this also makes sense because I think we've seen
the Largo SF matchup tend to go towards SF just because I
Feel like Largo running in and man fighting and doing thing re strumming the music SF just burst them
It's not a complete hard counter by any means, but you're getting a
Very overpowered hero and then later on like maybe they can get the doom because they do have 13 picks
So if it's not banned here, they could just out of phase the doom
Yeah, or the tree and protector well then again if Aurora doesn't ban it here. They're not gonna pick doom themselves
Yeah, I don't think a role will take so tundra could pick like
You to Kiro or or some like generic hero or war might just be willing to
Give them tree. Yeah, we got a Largo, you know, you can look off the armor the overgrowth sure
Yeah, is it good probably not to give them a shot of entry, but it's an option that
That what a what a bold statement that would be it would be the the argument
I would say so there's a this conversation happens along draft
It's like if we've been the tree
There's gonna get
Marcy and they're gonna get or they're gonna get clock or they're gonna get toss
You know they're gonna get some random replacement melee hero sure
Maybe it's not a strongest tree
But sometimes in the draft when you have limited bands it's better to be like what is the hero that does a very specific thing
That's not replaceable. So it's like if they they've been the brew here
It's like there's not really a brew
Replacement slot in or it's like if they want to man the doom that's a good thing really replace the doom
But sure yes tree is the best male support right now, but there's there's other alternatives
Yes, and shouting is the same thing like there's nothing that will replace pressing shout even old honor
What's this? What's the saying you rather an enemy you know than an enemy you don't know or something like that something something
Keep your friends close, but your enemies close
Well, something like that. Sure. There's a saying here that makes that sense.
There's things for a lot of things, Jenkins. But Gunner, I agree. I think what you're saying is
very, very smart. Like, I would personally, what Brew does to a game if you don't have
specific counters, there's nothing else like it. Like, this is such an annoying problem to deal
with. You'd rather, you'd rather have a problem which there are many answers to, you know.
So if you're going to have Largo, can you also, because blue they want to ban out the Phoenix at this point?
Because I think Largo Phoenix is like double heal, they're going to have the Ursa.
I mean that's one of these melee burst guys against the SF.
And also if you're going to pick Tree Ursa it's like one of the best counters in the game.
You simply press R and the tree ult goes away and if you've already pressed R the tree out last barely any time
What a draft day. I think you definitely this is crazy
I love it's a classic
Tundra or every year all my happen though, right and we are slightly worried right now for Aurora that because hundreds
Doing just the meta heroes. Yes. We kind of said when it's purely just a metta or Tundra's playing better than Aurora on average
Yeah, and then we've also talked about how Largo slightly is figured out so yeah
It's so yeah, this is uh, this is gonna be an interesting
Interesting game for sure to see how Aurora feels like they can deal with the strongest lane in Dota right now. I
Think the Phoenix is still decent options for a war. It's not I
Never feel like the heroes amazing in these games, but you know
You could be the most shit analyst ever and just say that about this team
They're just gonna come out with all this justification for it. What if matter if you're right or wrong?
K or he's gonna pick it. They're probably in the call. They're probably in the draft. Great. They're like
Talking about oh, what are they gonna pick into the Phoenix? They're not even considering like yeah
Yeah, they're using the 30 seconds of time as like what are we gonna do next? Yes
The one time that they don't do it though. They're really gonna get a good draft
Then he won't have the best reason ever. Yeah. Yeah, sure
So are we still going for the doom when you're tundra?
Like how do you, because obviously it's a strong lane now on the safe side.
I don't see why not.
I think doom is great.
I mean you have double healing.
Well like doom, doom hoodwink?
Yeah, that's a super strong lane.
The hoodwinks look pretty good to me recently.
Like it just has a lot of burst in this meta, which I think is just really nice.
Like you kill these heroes having extra stun.
The lane's always been, it's a classic kind of carry the doom out of the lane.
got the range to help with the egg yep is there anything I think they're the other option is jacquero
as a four um is very good for syphoenix oh there's the hood wink too
yeah I I don't see I don't see what else 33 would play very spicy draft so far get sent out
look at that subverting expectations okay let's let's let's think about that so this must be
in response to something that they're worried about coming out on 18 pic, right?
Yeah, we okay, so isn't sensor obviously is very fast with Stumpy and that's great
You can put the shadow fiend in the cart. Yeah, maybe that's nice
Maybe that's the idea is that they think that like if SF is simply protected that he will do enough damage to kill a
Largo and you don't need to go for the doomer out because you already have SF to deal with the Largo
So you just pick a hero that's better protecting him
What is it? What is it carry that like centaur really owns that I mean v2 and it's probably gonna be Abadon
Let's be real here
Got the Dakota storm
Largo storm that's a pretty that's a pretty beastly combo with the Largo buff
You put on top of him isn't the ads for Largo when you play the the what is the hot feet hot feet?
Hopple or whatever?
isn't that almost as fast as stampede so the running away is not really gonna be
doing it it's not it I think the stampede is okay I think it's mostly in my
opinion of Phoenix response okay it's like the Phoenix versus egg you've
got stampede and you just cut it out because they don't have the greatest
egg hitter that's like the shadow fiend and I think there's a lot of random
stunts that will catch the shadow fiend out so I guess wages safer to your
answer responses egg stampede walk away reset the fight go back in post egg okay
and I'm trying to think of what the like doom counters would be that if they're
scared to pick doom there and they'd rather pick the centaur the counters
make medusa battling medusa is really that popular right now Ursa is banned
they banned it already and besides that I don't really maybe they're worried
that the doom is just a bit too slow for this meta and they'd rather just
pick like a faster like front load hero. I think Centaur has this definitely like
5,000 gold time you get like one item right like you get the lady stage out
then you get your blink or you get your pipe or you get your crimson what some
one item and then you it's go time whereas Doom kind of wants to get maybe
that second item like people are still going for the pipe but it's like drums
pipe and a vanguard you know you get this like one extra item because you're
a greedier hero. Super question. If Ursa is really good against thank-you
heroes and that's why he gets banned obviously there's other tributes for
Ursa to be good right now why is life saving that good?
Oh it's just okay so low damage, slow. I think the way I would think about it
simply is Ursa's good versus high HP high damage heroes like high physical
damage heroes because your ult reduces physical damage. Yeah it's like you jump
on a shadow fiend and even though he does a lot of physical damage he's
Tinky you reduce his damage and you kill him because he's thinking compared to life stealer
He actually bad versus high physical damage, but he's good versus magic damage. So even though the tanky heroes are tanky
It's not like you'll take your magic damage hero. It's like you can press rage and be invincible. It's
Well, you are genuinely too good at this job.
That was incredible.
Okay.
Well, Gunner, now we need to justify it, buddy.
It's really good, Berthys.
He's really tanky hero.
Magic damage like the Centaur.
You guys have been saying that shuttle fiend is a mixed damage character.
So then the magic damage aspect is still there. He's still good. You're good. That's true
Yeah, no, I I think right now for me when I see life series successful
It's mostly versus the Mars. Hmm
Because that one he does completely like kind of counter it with the arena like you rage you can walk away
The laying stage is really good. I think center somewhat of a similar boat, but I
Can I wouldn't be surprised that the ball in is even in the center's favor center such a strong lane of these days
And life is a bit weak
I
I think for Aurora, for me, I'm hoping that, effectively, they have to go even in all their lanes,
which they're kind of behind in, and I think Tundra just has stronger lanes across the board.
Like, all three of their lanes should win.
So, I think it depends on how fast Tundra plays, how well they play their lanes,
and kind of the balls in their court, whereas Aurora is like,
you get away with a 50-50 game, and it's 15 minutes in, there's less than a thousand network lead either way.
I think I'm happy for Aurora.
I think in terms of the tree and matchup life stealer is actually a very nice hero
Yeah, people by Manta to yeah exactly
I remember talking to BSJ about this and he said like the best carry heroes against tree are the ones that have
Two ways of taking off the trio because yeah, if there's just like BKB or just Manta
You can wait until that's over and then use the trio
But if you have to if this is an incredibly hard thing to do in a team fight
So life stealer obviously has rage and then he also has manta and he can like kind of dodge it with the alt in a way
By like ulting into one of his teammates until the tree and ulti is used
So it's pretty good and then you jump inside this storm spirit as well
You have like the the storm life stealer combo. That's a classic
I personally don't believe life stealer is that great of a hero
But if there's any game for this one is decent like hypothetically you're leaning against centaur you should be able to be left alone
I agree with Gunner that like
Centaur is a good hero life stealer is not so I think centaur will still farm in this lane
Mm-hmm, but yeah, it's a decent pick if there's any game for it
Okay
Well, let's get some more opinions on board as we have big fella call setting by big up you
Yesterday were not happy that I didn't ask you a question one of the time
So I will ask you many questions. Oh don't mind. Yes. I would love to know what you think is the most important aspect of this draft
I definitely see in the lane seeing how tree it does and with this shadow fiend
I feel like all right, you know, you don't have to do that to me
I'm repeating what you said word for word for me before we prep this answer and I'm trying to get it right
But no, I think honestly early. I saw the tree in the shadow fiend depict and I just was like alright this games
He said he said it's GG. Yeah
It's it's kind of GG. Are we not gonna acknowledge this?
No, I was gonna say we're gonna we're gonna find out if tundra has as smooth of a game and
I love this job and I love this community. You can do whatever the hell you want and it's still gonna sound and be good
And we can make fun of each other. That's why that's why I'm gonna think about this later
I'm gonna overthink that moment later, and we'll see how I feel in about 45 minutes from now, but
you know, I look at this draft and I do see a pretty one-sided advantage from Trian Protector and
Shadow Fiend. I feel like we've talked about it a lot, right? Like, Trian just doesn't lose lane.
And when you've got that combined with the Shadow Fiend, that seems like, especially this
tournament so far is dominating.
You're not winning this lane.
I don't know what can beat this lane.
You're gonna need to probably try to manipulate a little bit
and looking at the items.
WS, what a time to be alive.
Double gauntlet, calling blade, and the little ringy.
They are gonna try to remove all the trees on the side
so the trend protector can't get the angle.
We've seen that when they play against Hoodwink as well.
Let's see if something similar is gonna be happening in the bottom lane.
Yeah, they did remove good amount of trees as well.
Kayori also does have quelling blade.
This is one of the few times where you will see a theme starting with four quelling blades on Aurora.
You are playing against Triant, you are playing against Hoodwing, so you will get that extra bit of oof coming out from this cheap item.
I'm a little worried about how Kayori's game is going to go on the later we see,
because sometimes we've just seen these eggs kind of just get obliterated early on.
And if you've got the vision, you have a way to blink to the back.
you also have hoodwink. I'm shadowing, like I feel like there are definitely our heroes
on the side of Tundra that can make sure that this supernova later in the game is not effective
and I look at all these lanes and right now it does feel as though Arian33 can put some
pressure on these heroes down bottom too. But they'll get their pull with 33 on this
center. He's got the full mascot set. Yeah, he did. Like you need to remove the head.
This is the fun, like, it's a funny looking set but it looks so much funnier when we remove the headpiece.
How do you think the lanes are shaping up? Because, to me it does feel like, if we're already saying top is one, then you gotta try and salvage mid and bottom for Aurora.
And is that possible with the matchups they have going on?
I'm looking at the mid lane, like, throughout Dota history this matchup was in favor of Queen of Pain.
And nowadays like things have changed because you are getting scream of pain level one
Which means you want to be securing that range creep and then once you get to level three
You start to put like two points in shadow strike for now. BGM is not
Putting any points in still saying things up. Okay, Ori
Some trouble through some fire spirits out Iqra's dive now the turnaround going hard way
He tunes gonna show up, but he's not even needed K or he getting that first blood
beats in Ari and ends up getting a kill really well done there that was so
close for him to die and then he lands a fire spirit he pops the fairy fire and
then uses dive Ari not expecting this kind of a move like Ari even starting
with the orb of life having that extra bit of damage right but it was not
enough top lane WS just gonna try him farm as much as he can but the go
over to the Lotuses and this should be a Lotus for the side of Tundra and it will be.
You can see already Parker just kind of having a free game to farm. There's not much that should
really disrupt him and even if there is, you've got the living armor, you have the leech seed,
for the most part, you're feeling relatively safe. So Aurora kind of have to make the best
of what they can out of this lane and I think WS, we've talked about the Largo too,
where you're kind of online with this agonim scepter but is that gonna feel like
enough for Aurora? This hero just loves to farm until he gets his agonim scepter
that's about it that's how everybody plays it from the off lane get those
tranquil boots up this has been the new meta from the off lane so you have
the region just don't get hit and then gets phase boots continue to get
your soul ring you continue to farm up get some stacks going in the
Triangle other than that you're not gonna be showing in fights
And I'm doing a tranquil's watch on my screen outside of the production to see if he ends up getting hit on this
This Largo Falcon blade faster than the previous record
It was dive into the bush whack and they also land that post on so they get the kill on a kory and
Already getting credit for that one a little bit of revenge for him in the bottom lane
And that's where the kills have been coming so far truthfully
That's where I could see probably most of the kills coming outside of the other two lanes.
Maybe mid if these supports make the rotation.
Hoodwink, Shadow Shaman, definitely two heroes that are pretty good at rotating over for, say, that six-minute rune.
I like how they're trying to put pressure in the top lane, but nothing's actually happening.
Parker has two fairy fire and nine magic one-charts at the turn-around play.
He's definitely there, and V2 will grab a kill.
I'm getting another kill over bottom this time it goes to V2.
Getting just kind of caught out of position as, I believe 33, yeah he's sitting with this
wave in between the tier 1 and the tier 2 tower, so just a little bit too far forward for this
big wave.
A catchy lick, sure it's alright, but it really doesn't do anything to Parker.
White mom, he's now level 4, he's got himself the 1-1-2 build, 2 in that living armor.
should be pretty safe with this tree and protector giving them a bit more life.
You can see these supports kind of rotating over towards mid as BZM
up against Kaori for the moment but Ari is shown up and will land this bush lap. This should be
a kill with the scream and it will be. So BZM gets some help from Ari. They got a kill over mid.
This Phoenix makes the rotation and now you've got level six for this queen of pain and Ari
between all the trees, Makoto, he's level 6, has to have 4 techs to pull in and a kill of his own
as we get the life of the hoodwinked.
Makoto said something was coming up, so he goes to jungle, gets his level 6,
make sure that he doesn't die to this rotation while Kaori was collecting some of the XP in the
mid lane at EZM.
Gets the shielder, actually gets it.
Plinks on top of it, but now he'll try and chase, he does have the shielder in the pot
and he'll activate it.
Whitemon comes over, Mira's gonna be here, Kaori's in some trouble, the nature's grasped right on top of Kaori,
and that's gonna be a kill as they try to go for more.
So Mira tries to run, has the shackle, but with the Shadow Strike on him, he's in some trouble, and BZM's gonna net himself a double.
Oh, they're trying to make moves with two very low damage supports, like you need Stormsleeve to be...
having enough mana to be able to actually deal the damage, otherwise there is not gonna be as much damage.
And now BZM off to a really good start, level 6, almost level 7 on that Queen of Pain, Mikoto, going back to the fountain.
He had to walk, and also some pressure is going to be put on that tower. Nothing too significant, but a little bit of a chip damage.
And BZM is keeping the tower alive by tower, I mean catapult.
You see Whitemon put a sentry down, they'll lose the obs for now, but Whitemon now needs to run from 3 heroes.
Not what you likely, WS even making the rotation over if he's needed.
But eventually Makoto will get the kill and they'll take out that obs, they were thinking about maybe cutting across and going for the shrine.
They get the shrine of their own as 33 will collect the experience for that one, Miro will grab his.
And now 33 is level 6, Tempid is online, 7 and a half minutes. Very good start for Centaur, he's playing into lifestillers matchup.
In the lane, it should be very good for Centaur throughout the game, like not as much.
They look to go here on a Parker.
I think he's keeping on a Centaur, that's an early rotation, Tempid at the ready.
Now Shackles, they were holding out Parker for a second, they just don't have the damage, they'll go after Mira.
He infests in, so saving his life after getting the kill on a Parker.
They'll take out Kaori, but it's not an equivalent exchange at the moment
and they might even get 33 with Vtune here, the damage is coming out with a dump of the Living Armor.
33 still surviving, but it feels like the eventual death is inevitable
as another kill there for Vtune nets the double and Muranow needs to run as Whitemon's coming over.
He'll hit that nature's grass for a second, Auri's over in the area and this will eventually be a kill.
33, Stampede used. Also TP used, which means that he needs to walk back to a lane.
lane. Unable to do much. This lick from Largo causing them some of the issues
against the Trian protector against Queen of Pain as well. WS, BZM, he wants that kill.
Trying to get him under the tower but there's really nowhere for him to go.
Despite the fact that he is under his own tower and BZM making a rotation now
dominated. This is a very good start for the Queen of Pain and they're even
going to put a lot of pressure on to the tier one tower topic. Nobody
rotating over they might just get it. And damage has been done to middle tier one
tower sitting at only 300 HP so two towers that are very open bottom they
didn't manage to put that much pressure considering that they are playing
against a lifestealer so very difficult hero to be able to push out of the lane
and we can see the building damage zero nada on Aurora while Tundra doing a
pretty good job and we've seen this I just want to talk about Shadowstein's
item build.
Well, they fall for a second, Pat said.
The control of BCM with the shackles.
Can they get this kill out of the Queen of Pain who's dominating?
Good pushback on the two. Makoto continuing on to BCM.
Sonic waiting to push him back.
Makoto doesn't have the mana anymore
to continue this chase.
Sharpshooter is going to be well off the mark,
and they won't get anybody on either side.
A very aggressive move coming out from Tundra.
Into the enemy triangle,
there is an observer ward that is cutting things out
by Mira in the triangle,
but Kuna Fane didn't die. She has dominating streak, uses Sonic Wave defensively.
Good thing for Aurora is that V2 is having a blast of a game.
Like this Twin Gate rotation that he did, this is something that you can expect
happening when you are playing against Lysethealer. He gets the creep, he goes
through the Twin Gate and then he makes a rotation and now again going in
and make sure to secure the rune for his team.
He's got a lot of health, but surrounding here,
though even Overgrowth and Supernova gets committed.
Okay, we're getting credit for that kill on the white mod.
My real question here for Aurora is,
yeah, B-Tunes having this great start, but we've seen this before.
We've seen it yesterday, when he was playing Shadow.
He was 9 and up!
And they still failed to capitalize on that and win that game,
and, you know, are they gonna be able to use this early success from the Life Stealer
and then push it into something else?
And that's the real question.
It should be easier for him to play the game compared to that Shadowfin game that they did have.
There was, like, not much synergy between him and WS with the arena and the Requiem.
That game's free from yesterday, but now he's gonna be playing with Picoto.
Infest Storm Spirit, that's an old school combo, try to pick off a hero.
Visors are gonna be tanky though, not too much control, let's say they use Living Armor,
they have Stampede to try to run away from the Light Stealer as well.
So in theory, it looks good because they don't have that other jump like Shaman, Preblank,
Phoenix, Largo, these are not the type of the heroes that can get the jump, ideally
you would want to be having three of those because if the heroes are tanky enough
If you can't kill them with the infest bomb Ari and BZM trying to make a move onto WS
Just couldn't quite get there Makota then spotting BZM who blinked on top of him
ends up ball hanging out
Things kind of quiet for a little while both teams seven kills to their name
Reging closer to that 14 minute mark, so we'll probably see some aggressive plays for the shrine if
We continue to see Tundra's positioning be the way it has been for the last few minutes or so.
We're gonna find a way to kind of shut down BZM who's on this pretty successful start,
and it's gonna be a blink dagger that they want on the Shadow Shadow that he's caught here
with the Sharpshooter-Bushwack combo, and BZM getting that screen to get another kill
to put him on a mega kill streak, and he's also gonna refill that bottle and get himself a haste.
So they might even make another move to try and find a couple more kills here,
If they can find this Wargo and slow down this Agz,
they'd be happy to get him to not have that effectiveness
that you're looking for with that double song playing ability.
It seems like WS is drawing on a minimap,
showing exactly where the heroes are,
saying that he might need some extra bit of a help.
Right now, Mikoto's doing the same thing,
saying they're playing in our triangle.
Once you get Kaia on Queen of Pain,
Like this hero actually feels good pre Kaia. It just doesn't feel as good getting that extra bit of intelligence
Getting that the spell amp and mana region amplification on top of that and he found a good neutral item
He found chip West so it's gonna give him extra bit of return damage as well
museum off to a really good start
now panel top of the network and panel to talk about
life stealer and
Him playing in the Trion Protector because you have Rage, you have potentially later on Mantis-style to be able to get out of Overgrowth.
Two BKB piercing tools in this game that is Trion Protector Altium Sonic Wave.
In terms of control, they don't have that much. So in theory, this looks like a really good life stealer game.
He has like three, maybe four items post-30 minutes. It's gonna feel good to play this life stealer.
And I'm also seeing Shadowfiend, something that I wanted to mention, but the fight did occur, is
he's going for a bit of a mixed damage, because this time around it is Yashakaya.
You can still transition into damage. This has been also a second popular build compared to, you know, the class in Dragonlands,
Mask of Madness, Manta Style, Hurricane Pike.
Purely right-click. This one gives you the right-click, but you're also getting like the combo in easier.
Wait my what in the trees and Sunray on him hexed as well eventually he should burn out
The chicken fingers and the right clicks there Kory getting another kill in Kory
He's got a decent amount of farm as a support to the point where he's buying first item pipe
And he is he just lost his courier a moment ago
But trying to commit towards getting this pipe in the in the five position because it's not you know
Vargo is going for that axe and that's not really where he's going with his build.
So you can get one of these supports to build this aura item.
You're going to feel way better in these fights.
Yeah, that's why I wanted to see Shadowfinn go for the more right-click-oriented build
because Centaur is magical, he doesn't deal physical.
Queen of Pain does have some pure, mostly magical, and then you have Hoodwink as well.
Just magical damage coming up from Hoodwink.
That's why I think this pipe is going to be very valuable and also Shadowfinn playing off that.
Still, mixed damage, but I would maybe prefer if he went for the right click, you're gonna
be building it.
The Hurricane Plank, great against Life Stealer, of course, where you can keep the distance.
You can still go for Silver Edge, you're still feeling good amount of damage, because Shadow
of In right now is just one of the finest creations in the current patch, but overall,
we'll see if it pays off.
Speaking of pipes, Centaur just finished his own, and now he'll be looking to get
a Blink afterwards, so they'll have that initiation with his Blink.
They do have, you know, obviously the built-in blink of the Queen of Pain.
Maybe you can scurry and get a bushwax start in their fights,
but having that extra layer of initiation is gonna be pretty good here for Tundra,
as they try to jump maybe the backline, get on top of this Shadow Shaman or Kaori,
just start off some of these fights.
Yeah, Centaur's fight-threading. Like with one item, if we don't count Inhelm of the Diameter,
which is his farming item, I wanna be taking that fight.
Okay. And that Sonic Wave...
Zoning one.
Yeah, they'll still get the kill here,
But now Makoto comes in and we use that overgrowth to start off bushwhack to follow it up and Makoto is down to about half health
But they want to get the kill on the white one on the sun right? The Hikers dive the supernova even committed again to kill off this tree protector
Years buzzing but it's not the best landing spell at that moment
However, now it's supernova down the bushwhack connects and they'll get this kill on a kori
Ari's got credit for that whether it's a two-for-one trade in favor of tundra.
I didn't end up working out for them, despite the fact that it was that zoning Sonic wave.
They do lack a little bit of control, pre-blink on Centaur, it gets difficult, it's mostly
bushwhack, overgrowth, but other than that, they didn't have much.
And now, into the Roche pit they go, this is the power of Centaur, he gets his early
aura, whether that's Crimson Guard, whether that's Pipe relatively early on, and then
You want to group up. You want to go as five?
Marker, ulti ready. That's level two Requiem.
Yashakaya, very speedy, steering signal as well.
Let's see how they're going to approach this one. We do now with radiance and
Even great healing load. This extra 400 HP could come in very handy.
Very fast, Agatom Scepter here from Argo.
We've seen some variations on the build.
Some smaller items before the ag in Inceptor, but committing just phase boots with the disassembled tranquil Solray in the ags.
And gets it at a very decent timing.
Hobbes plays behind the tower.
Mira.
No blink dagger yet.
Short a couple hundred golds.
Tree protection by the way, didn't pick up that shard, so he's trying to get into the help of the extra vision.
Ari gets seen, he's going to be hacked for the moment, but the following impact, he's going to cut the requiem of the blink in, and Shadow Strike coming through on a Largo.
But still no commitment on the requiem, just yet no Sonic Wave.
And both teams kind of disengage from each other.
But you can see the line written on the map there by Ari showing that they want to maybe go towards the top and continue to go for this Roshan attempt.
But there is vision around the entire pit from both sides.
They've got these trees now with the eyes of the forest,
giving them some extra information,
but there are a couple wards here from the side of Aurora that have got the area pretty well-sighted.
Arcane rune over bottom, Whitemon.
Oh, they are controlling all the runes for BZM.
He's the one picking up most of the runes.
That's something Storm Spirit likes to see.
His runes taken away. This is probably the best hero in the game if you want to be getting the runes
With and Kaiassange completed going for thinking about that if he needs a BKB
But if he needs extra bit of a damage with which blade
Okay, we're taking over bottom. He's so close to this pipe. That's a big one
I really like that. He's also like taking a good amount of farm. He was jungling because not much was happening
And your carry didn't need to be afraid of any rotations, so he was fine just jungling
for a while, and he also found greedy enchantment, so that's gonna definitely help.
There should be extra waves going for extra bit of experience.
You know how about a lorgo going kya-sage?
That's what he's got on the docket.
Yeah, that's pretty standard, yeah.
And he's just really trying to get as much farm as he can to get a pretty quick axe, but
he's sitting here bottom of the cores in the net worth department.
See how that ends up lining up as we get deeper into these fights.
This pipe's going to be delivered over to Kaori.
If either team does in fact want to fight, do Tundra want to set up to maybe fight
and then go back into this roach because they were trying to get it, but have stopped
That attempt at the objective is now centaur's pick of the blink dagger.
That might be the initiation they want to work with.
Yeah, they want to pull off the combo now.
It's going to be much easier.
This is the hero that Parker needs to be able to get to Rukfium
if he also does have Shadow Blade off his own.
Both teams coming in.
First time we're going to see that in fastbomb.
Dakota smoked up, ready to go.
He also now has this blink dagger on Mira,
so he has that extra bit of health.
where you can blink in Hex and have the Shackles to keep control of these heroes on Tundra.
Faster than the average blink.
More control picked up for Tundra with the Rod of Atoes for Ari.
And they have found this Tormentor all alone.
These heroes are not really here for Tundra, so they'll take it themselves and get themselves a Shard.
And that will be a Shard for Mira.
I'm dropping so you know with that information with that cleanup on the feed that they know
exactly where the side of Aurora are.
As they sit here inside the jungle, Veetune just pushing out the top wave, they've got
this living armor on the tier one tower to try to protect it for now and they'll commit
the Serpent words to it.
Parker with the Shadow Blade, Rona Vetoes, okay, who'll shwack with the WS Largo Cup
for a second but no extra commitment.
They're thinking about their Requiem, they just blow us up between under the tower.
They have no life stealer, here comes the chase.
Akris dive away as WS is trying to run.
The blade puller to BZM, they've got the overgrowth to lock him down.
Pushwack keeps him steady and they go to the Sionic Wave to get the kill on a WS.
A TP out with the Sunray, they can't catch Kaori.
But two big kills here for Tundra, all started with the Shadowblade Parker Requiem.
He did not expect that one, he did not see that one coming.
There was no vision whatsoever from their side.
Maybe there actually was this center ward that was placed by Mira.
I want to see if this was placed before or after.
I think it was after if I'm doing the math.
Correctly, like just after.
But you know me and my math.
It can't be trusted.
But that, he just blew him up.
Just needed one more right click afterwards.
There's no way to react.
The rest of the team not close enough to really find an opportunity
even save him in that moment. Yeah, there are no saves. They have pipe, maybe
sunray, but damage has been done and AoE from Requiem was also pretty big. You can
easily get clipped. Parker, finally doing what he's like doing the best like back
couple of the lock is back when he won the tournament with Heroic. He was the
one dictating the tempo of the game. He was the driving force. Now, not
I'm not sure how much of a voice he is as being a stand-in in Tundra, but his performance has happened good.
Donut, a bit low on mana though.
Yeah, he's a bit low on mana going after Auri all this time, but now they've found themselves the stud onto this Queen of Pain,
and they get two BZM, giving up that six times kill streak.
Again, this is all happening while they're trying to go for Roche.
So another Roche attempt is kind of fizzled out for Tundra.
Roche now belongs to Aurora.
If they want to commit to it, Vtune is here.
They do have Serpent Wars, but he's very low on mana as well on Mira, and so is Makoto.
I'm on the right here.
The overdrove, and that's a kill on a Makoto.
We see a lot of these, like, split actions happening.
It feels like it's a bit too early. They're not playing together.
Both of the teams, a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes.
Now V2 is going to go and try to secure this mid tower.
Point, co-stop on two.
We're going to deny the tower, can't get that.
V2 gets credit for it.
33 now, call with a shackle, but has to stop the shackle
because there was a bushwack coming in from Ari.
Sharptuder lands on a Kaori.
One right click almost.
Taking Kaori down to a quarter health.
Smoke used by Tundra.
They want to follow this up.
Potentially get another pick off.
That could lead to them going for Roche.
They've got a gem on VTune, so these Requiem plays aren't going to be so easy anymore.
For the Rota VTune, same as the Bushwack, right? It's not going to matter.
They get the kill on a K.O.E., and Parker gets that one.
And another kill, so that will be a 42nd death timer on this Phoenix,
and Tundra does look as though they want to just go in a row and try it for the third time.
I think this time around, they are going to be able to get it.
Nobody coming over.
I think you're right this time 65% dota plus win probability for her or what are
driving those numbers? Ader Largo? Ader we love Largo because he's the most
recent release hero or it storms pretty plus life stealer combination this has
As always, like this hat combo has won so many games over the past 20 years of Dota.
I'm always trying to question the algorithm for this win probability.
Or if it even changes from patch to patch.
Parker just continuing to farm after he picked up that Shadow Blade.
He is now looking to finish off the Silver Edge completely.
He's got the BKB ready.
9 second BKB for whatever the fight is next.
Margot working on his own BKB life stealer. He's going into the manto like you were talking about.
Just trying to help him survive as much as possible.
And while he's holding onto this gem, he should be safe from requiem like he saw.
Yeah, they bought the gem. That's how afraid he is going to be at least he was.
And also very interesting choice coming up from 33.
This is the item that we haven't seen being picked up in a really long time.
This item has been changed, that's hard to prask.
And you're playing against Lifestealer, but I guess he wants to have as much survivability as possible.
So if he doesn't get bursted, Lifestealer is going to deal more damage, the more max HP you have, but still...
So for now, he's sitting at 3000 HP, and he's also holding onto very interesting enchantment.
But he's going for greedy because you can farm with double edge and your retaliatory you don't necessarily need to right-click
He's got the heart completed there is a five-man smoke behind him
I'm sure if he's aware of that but they do see a courier coming over so they're gonna follow that all the way over to this
Tree of Protector the dust immediately the fine white mod they're gonna get this kill
Can they find a plus one on anything ball lightning looking even deeper and trying to find 33?
It's not this hard. He's not gonna be an easy kill to get, but with Parker around the corner
They're now gonna dust the look for the wrecking of the fraud stop stops that now
We can't get it off because it's continuing to just stop him from getting that all the way. They found him
They'll hex him up Parker's dead trying to save 33 and now 33 is alone and 33 has been
Subtracted from the fight and he equals 60 seconds dead
He did have BKB and Shadowfinn if he wanted to pop it to try to get that kill on store spirit
So he doesn't get to mini stunned
This is one of those
like I've even seen
Lane with clockwork
And Largo and then they trap you inside and you literally cannot use any of the abilities
They are taking out white one every single time which is a good target to go for which means no overgrowth
No living armor is gonna be used in a fight
And then 33 baiting and shadowing, like he's right here as BKB available and then he gets
frog stumped, doesn't use it.
Yeah, it dusted and they were fully aware of that.
I mean, they also have the gym, so it doesn't really matter if he's moving forward and
they get the kill on a 33 and tundra.
Let this network be slipping a little bit
Try and active in nine seconds Makoto infested again looking to make that jump make that play
He's got a nine second BKB ready to go
Yeah, I think it's a correct choice rather than going for which plate
You just want to have that extra bit of protection so that you don't get blown up
And especially if you're gonna be jumping in with the lightsaber
Which means you need some kind of protection and for the last couple of times
They are the ones controlling the runes for storm spirit finally
This time just an illusion room though, but any room is better than no room though
I'd say okay
We sit back here even now turn tundra looking for their turn with a smoke play
Stampede gets committed as they will find
WS and get a kill on the Largo
But his guitar on the shelf for 60
They've picked up another smoke like they want to continue with this ages for 40 seconds and maybe go for another kill
You can see the net worth differences between these cores is pretty significant a lot of that gold being made back up by the
supports of Aurora
However, it does feel like Aurora are the ones getting the better of the trades
For sure, and their pickup game is slightly better.
See if they can find something here, they can wipe one one more time.
All that happening, Parker, trying to rec wave and does finally get it off, he'll TP out and escape.
Parker really trying his hardest to have a BKB in his inventory and not use it.
But that was a little bit dangerous. He got to about half health, finally gets the Requiem
off, and that's what allows him to TP out in that moment, but no BKB. You're leaving
yourself very vulnerable.
Yeah, Parker is a high-risk, high-reward player. A lot of the times, like, you can make
compilation off his plays. You can make, like, 10-minute compilation from one game,
and in some game, you can make the same amount of time, like, compilation off
his fails because he he he's like it reminds me a lot about maybe some like
old-school Chinese players that you know high-risk high-reward
Sylar?
Sylar, yep.
Definitely.
Ball lightning and fast popping.
They're gonna jump in with a host on them trying to get the kill and they're BZM.
Sonic Wave hits them three.
Jumping from white line.
Overgrowth to follow it off.
Beachings in some trouble.
They're gonna kill them here.
They're gonna take up the data.
Shaman.
Sharp shooter lands.
Supernova gets used.
But they've already lost the light stealer.
They're gonna pop the egg and look for more.
WS on the run.
The gem of the deck.
They get the kill and BZM with the BKBB.
Popped by Makota to get that kill.
He's gonna TP out towards the north end of the map.
They don't get the kill on a Largo.
look for the hoofstomp but don't quite grab it but now they've got the gem on Ari.
That's big. This is pretty massive. Being able to take away that gem it will make
Parker's life much easier and this is the fight without Requiem as well. Very good
initiation coming up from 33. All up David. Overgrowth as well. Yeah Parker did
finally manage to get some right clicks going. Parker inside the guys of
that Shadow Blade, so he goes down towards bottom, which is now that Silver Edge.
But he did go for like more right-click oriented build as I wanted him to go for. I saw a Blink
Dagger being queued up, but Blink Dagger Shadow Blade, it's a bit more like mix oriented build
where you blink in, you have Yashakaya allows you to cast that Ulti faster, but
Now he completely swapped. He's going for the right click oriented, but he knows that he needs to stand his ground.
Even though he got, I would say, a good amount of value out of this Yashakaya. It makes him speedy.
It's very good for positioning. It did allow him to get that kill on Leicester in the top lane.
Thanks to Shadowblade, of course, as well, but I feel like swapping to purely physical damage now makes complete sense.
Let's see if he can continue to let it rip in these fights, like that fight in the jungle
just there.
And we're able to kill V2 pretty much with these, but now he's looking for his own BKB,
so trying to combine the powers of BKB and Rage to survive as long as he can in these
fights.
Ari also now finishes the poor staff immediately, queuing up a hex against taunt with these
heroes coming bottom from Aurora.
And WS will get the kill and not only that, they pick back up the Gem.
So being that far out alone with the Gem, very risky and immediately punished for something like that by Aurora.
That's going to make Parker's life a little bit more difficult when he's trying to position himself and trying to wait on that BKB.
Speaking of which, Parker is being caught playing game from BCN.
And the silence on a Makoto for a second.
They don't get the circle towards around this shadow beam.
But do they want more?
They sun-write it.
Got Makoto moving forward.
V-Tune's also here.
What is he going to be activated by third team?
They go to the right wing of the Sonic wing.
That lands on a four heroes.
V-Tune's probably gone out.
There's the Super Nova.
Parker going to try and hit away a big three shots left.
One more gets the kill, but he might die himself.
They'll lose.
Parker, now they've got the stun out of the Queen of Pain.
Overgrowth follows it up.
They get the kill to be easy.
And they're going to follow it with a mirror death.
But wipe on false four heroes that are on the side of the Tundra.
The look over 33 that chases on from WS, he might get a catchy look to pull him back and get some damage up for me too.
R is here to try and help them out, but it's a glimmer cape that got him in viz for the moment.
They do have a gem, it's Amakota who doesn't have a lot of out of the run of HHS as well as the Bushwack.
Throwing over into WS, hook stop, sharpshooter, double edge, down goes the Largo,
and it ends up being a 4 for 3 trade, and Aurora will bail on the rest of the team.
That Sonic way was on a 4 of them with Requiem to push back as well, but it's still not enough.
Even though they get some kind of a trade in the end, it does feel like if they get the combo off fully with Requiem, with Sonic Wave and Overgrowth,
that they're gonna be winning those fights. And I like that 33 pick up the shard of his own, which means that he wants to be as tanky as possible.
They initiate up the Parker immediately, and BZM faking that ulti, trying to get some more mana out of Mikoto.
Popping the pipe, and Requiem wasn't really that close. Like, he saw the opportunity.
and then Sonic Man, it looks good, but the heals coming out, the pipe immediately after,
even though they are gonna be killing the egg, this is the problem with Shadow Fiend.
Like, they don't have any other heroes that can't hit the egg, your offlaner is not really the egg-hitter.
You can bring the whole squad around it or try to disengage with the Stampede.
Supports are also pretty bad at it, and good of paying, whose job is also not to hit the egg,
so they might need to use Stampede to potentially run away from the egg,
try to like have a soft reset and then come back because this egg is gonna cause
them a lot of issues in the middle of the fight.
And I'm getting Largo at the end there but yeah this egg and everything that is
becoming a big problem that all stems from the fact that they have the gem back
in their pocket right? Yeah. You know you've got Shadowfiend who's trying to
survive with his invisibility but Makoto's positioning is right till Nile
beats him and just continue to whack away at this Shadowfiend who's just
hitting an egg. So yeah you get the kill on the Phoenix but it's not worth your life.
Definitely not. It's like BKB to kill the egg, and white one again will die. This combo has been pretty powerful throughout the whole game.
Still works after...
We, it will hold these years in two decades. It still does work. Largo gets thrown out.
No white one and what was a pretty big lead for Tundra, hold back to about even a miss is gonna be roged this time for the radiant side.
And we do, I assume, a warm-up codo.
Seeker takes the Aegis of what we've been to, and have themselves in Aegis.
The battle of the stand-ins right now continuing to be a back-and-forth matchup.
Four and a half minutes of course with this Aegis still left,
and another one of those offline style items for the Phoenix troops of the Crimson.
So having somebody to kind of replace that aura builder as Largo has the axe BKB, the
kaiosanjian is building an aondisk to just survive a little bit longer, but you've now
given over that job of getting these aura items to the phoenix and K'ori's done a great job
of farming them up.
He's a position 5 that has almost 12,000 net worth.
He had greedy enchantment, tier 2 and tier 3 as well which definitely did help.
a pretty high level level 16 on him.
Tritonik is also insanely high level level 18 on him.
Difference being about 4,000 gold in the net worth, but the experience favoring Tree
Protector is trying to go for the Solar Crest and a 4 Staff after getting the Blank Shard
as well as the Pavis.
These are the forest, not exactly the best shard when there's a gem on the other side
though, so a lot of that information that you're trying to get is just not going to work out
for you.
Some of these blink overgrowths have been good, but it seems like it's always overgrown
through the cost of his life, and if not, they're finding him around the map trying
to get more information.
They've caught him a couple times as he is sitting 2-8-15.
are doing some decent damage out of the storm spirit.
Are we still working on trying to get the hex?
Only has 2100 gold to the point that we've been at thus far,
so no pieces of the Scythe of Vights picked up.
They use this banner, they get the tier 3 over bottom.
You're starting to lose your high ground.
You have to forget to take these buildings, otherwise the living armor will do its job and secure them.
They drop the wards, making sure that the tower is gonna die,
this still deals some damage to melee barracks.
Mikoto is playing on a different side of the map.
There is going to be a power room.
Mera pings it out, amplify damage is ready.
Sector picked up a big item.
Agatham Sector now completed,
so that's going to be another soft reset that they can have.
Very good save as well if Shadowfiend gets initiated on.
Parker would definitely love to have an extra item in the fight
so he can stand his ground, have this like second life
with Satanic, but still very far away from it.
See how quickly he can get there.
I guess the question is how quickly can he get there
and how much are they gonna give up for him to commit to this item?
BZM and Whitebond showing over bottom, they are five-and-smoked with the two minutes left on the Aegis.
This is Aurora looking to really stomp their foot down on the throats of Tundra.
But what can they do while Parker farms away from the base?
They jump in, he infests his poplight on caught again, trying to work horse and pick him up, but unable to do so, so they will lose the Dream Protector for 60 seconds again.
And this bottom setter acts.
Well, they're going to fall, and now you've got the Satanic, but there's not much to fight with when you don't have the Dream Protector.
They're going to jump in for more.
BKB is going to be popped here, they've got the control out of the beat of pain.
Can't they help him out?
Looking for the wrecking of Parker throws out, but it doesn't really do much of anything.
They're already gone. Parker's dead. Parking with the BKB. They got the swear off.
Sunray is on him, but the chase is on to get these kills.
Parker is trying to do whatever he can to stay alive, but he'll end up falling to Makoto.
Look at the count of 33. Four heroes, no buyback on Tundra. This is all a war.
That game, they can just close it out. They have Largo's heal, Sunray's heal.
Everybody's gonna be full HP. They're gonna drop down the Surfing Horde.
ages fill up and running. 80 seconds, 70 seconds for Centaur. A lot of time to go for these tier 4s.
They are hard to take out at times. Oh, the True Protector back in a second, but it probably won't
matter with R.E.D. It does have buyback. But now the other tier 4, and they'll call GG Aurora,
are going to take game number one over Tundra. It was a very good Lyce to their game to
start with, not just a lice-tiller game in general, but he was also playing with Stormspirit,
which they did manage to get multiple pickoffs, and a big fan of Phoenix, Kyori, going for
this off-lane build, picking up pipe, picking up Crimson Guard, and making sure that they
have all these auras in this heavy aura meta, plus having Largo's heal, which make them
very difficult to kill.
Yeah, that was a really well-itemized game by Aurora.
They take game number one over Tundra.
We're going to send it back over to my disciples on the panel.
Take it away.
That was Aurora beating a shadow fiend tree and laying guys that doesn't happen very often so mark this in your memories this was this was an interesting one and a fun one because to do that they did have to play very active on the side of Aurora which is what we said that this is the style of play could they thrive on.
Yeah, I mean, this was a very interesting game.
We thought that throughout the whole draft Aurora was kind of sticking to the normal meta with the, you know,
Vargo, Phoenix, whatever, and we were worried.
And then the live stealer comes out, and sure, we were questioning it because it's just, it's not a very good hero.
But it is something that subverts the meta, and VTUNE is extremely good with the hero.
You can see his confidence in a lot of the plays that he's making.
Flying as that like front lining melee strength carry, which is not something you see these days
It's all turrets or heroes like Ursa that are like blink instant burst heroes
Not really these like front liners that run at towers and like tank damage for their team
So it was I dare to say quite refreshing to see actually some lifestealer performance
I thought it was pretty surprising
I think Tundra made some pretty uncharacteristic mistakes this game between like when part
current 33 died bot when they're trying to go for that pick off or on the mid lane when
they also I think Parker just took like he just kind of was dying at the start of these
fights and I think that that's what turned around because they were ahead in the early
game they're up like 4k gold 5k gold there was like I want to say two different fights
where we saw the lifestealer walks in and I had that matchup where he gets like three
shot by the shadow fiend and it looks really really hard but yeah the second that you
get that little throw you get that actually like a thousand gold here in lifestealer
he gets those items yeah this this lifestealer looks like he was kind of on top of
world. Yeah, he did the thing where you play at really low HP thresholds using, you know,
lifestealers heals and open wounds and healing up and then using and fast and healing up from that.
And that was really nice. Also, like, honestly, all of Aurora played very well. I think that,
like, Makoto with V-Tune, you know, ganking and doing the lifestealer ganks, like, this was
I mean, it was very impactful in the game, but we had to give the MVP to V2 and they picked him a very off meta hero.
They picked him something that is super specialized and he showed that why he had the confidence to make this call.
Like, I can play this in the drafts and I mean, if this is something that works against Trian Shadowfiend,
maybe other teams need to take a look at it.
I mean I do I do understand of course they also had Largo against Triant
That's that's very strong. They had Largo in general that heroes is very strong
It's not like trading Largo for SF is like the worst trade ever
It's not like you're trading some non-overpowered hero for SF
It's just usually we see SF get the better of that trade
But on top of that like with the life stealer
Maybe you are okay getting a Largo for SF trade if you have something else that's countering the SF
Maybe this is something other teams need to look at
Maybe it is maybe we also should take a closer look at that mid lane because it was actually a fairly close mid lane
With the Mikoto storm versus BZM Queen of Pain
Yeah, there was this blink in the game. I couldn't believe BZM blinked him
Yeah, this is like super aggressive
He blinks in and then he trusts himself that he's gonna out that room will spawn there
So it's a 50-50 rune spawn there and he will outclick the storm thankfully for him
It was the children and he did have click the storm and then it turns around and he killed both supports
He had the blood grenade because it was very excited about that. I love that one and you just
Kind of I thought that might have been like oh it's under snowballing like their BGM is kind of feeling himself
And I think another I want to say the next room or four minutes from there BGM did it again
We're just like blinks on the runes. It's these like very confident
kind of plays but then I
Like they were it was like going going going is it everything's just good for tundra
and then just something just like kind of snapped
and it felt almost impossible for Tundra
to kind of exist in the fights.
Well, there was one more moment
where it was still looking good for Tundra
and we did think like, oh, there you have it.
Yeah, so Parker instead of going for the Yasha and Kaya
and then going to Blink Dagger,
which is the more typical build,
something you'd see Pure doing.
This is something he popularized.
He went for a shadow blade instead.
And the early Shadowblade timing, you know, I was questioning, like, I think to me, this game,
you said at Gunner, a lot of Tundra's plays were very confident and maybe, like,
teetering on overconfident.
Mm-hmm.
It did look good in some cases.
Like, he was playing with the Shadowblade, you know, running in, expecting there not to be sentries,
even though Kari's chilling there in the trees, like, he had not revealed that this item was a thing.
this was even at the tail end of the shadow of the shadow blade
duration, then he's able to get like the one shot on life stealer,
which I don't even blame blame V tune for that. By the way,
like, this is exactly what he's supposed to be doing is like,
and it's a shadow blade. Yeah. It's the shadow blade reveal.
They just they weren't expecting it, but it's like
after that reveal, it didn't do much. It doesn't do much
because they're showing up to every fight with dust, with centuries.
You know, even with the BKB coming out, you're playing into shadow
If you're not immediately using it, you're gonna get chains stunned. So there was some some
Overconfidence in this game. I maybe was hoping for like the the turret build a bit more like the pipe
That's a panic the just like exist there and he hits the life's there because he
There's that mid fight. I keep I'm just thinking about the mid fight a lot
Is that he I think he like traded his entire health pool for like one kill and the life's there is just on him hitting
And the entire time and then he just dies post BKB
Yeah, whereas a lot of the other times you see a shadow fiend successful
He takes no damage in the fight because he does so much damage you can't walk close to him
Something just felt like this wasn't the shadow fiend that we've seen in other games
Well, let's find out if they're gonna get their hands on the shadow fiend again
Because Aurora has proven that they can beat that shadow fiend tree and protect her match up the duo that people fear
So much game number two of this matchup after break
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Hello, everybody. We are here. It's Mira from Aurora Gaming.
Yep. Hello, sir.
Yes. Hello. A pleasure to see you as always. You guys were like the team that, ah, they're
coming to the tournament. Oh, we'll see what happens. Dream League, y'all popped off,
man. What the hell happened?
It's like mostly like WS effect, it's like new collapse.
If you like, like Moses guy very closely, he's very good.
Okay, so it was just stand-in or what?
You got stand-in power?
Do you got weird brain powers?
Not really, like it's, I mean, like about the coach
and like WS, they're like our motors.
And we're just like, like moving and doing something.
Oh, come on, don't downplay yourself too much here.
I mean, I think that you're driving force
behind most of the games in your squad.
Do you not feel this way?
No.
What?
I'm just, I don't know.
I'm just like doing my job and like not talking too much.
Just like yapping, like after the game a little bit,
but like in game, I'm just chilling.
I've heard this from pro teams.
A lot of pro teams have said in unfortunate situations
when a stand-in comes in, all the pressure is off.
Like it's just what happens, happens at this point.
And you know, we're kind of chilling.
So you do feel like big chilling mode right now.
OK, it is.
But you know, like, new players too, you know?
Yes.
Like, it's like Tundra, it's like Yandex.
Yeah.
Falcons.
Falcons as well.
They have yours.
Oh, it's actually scary.
It's actually scary.
It's scary, yeah?
I'm so afraid of these guys now.
Yeah.
Like, with Milena now, so.
Oh, OK.
It's kind of terrifying.
Unbelievably toxic.
I love it.
Thank you very much.
I actually finally have a good mid-player.
Finally, they can win something.
Oh, damn.
Hell.
I don't know what I've been waiting for. Finally a player talking some shit. Let's go. All right. All right
I want to talk to you about Kairi now
This is a guy who was standing the last time in this very tournament for mouse
Wins the tournament does not get asked to stay on the team comes in and now he's with you guys
I mean that's a pretty interesting story does that's reason Bobby take him
You know yeah, I like saw that he like just like won the tournament this like
I mean like this mouse and we were thinking like what the fuck.
Yeah.
So like he like I mean like solving the tournament and now like we got it like taking for sure.
Yeah.
And I remember speaking to him at the grand finals and I was like how's it feel?
And he's like well I hope I get a team.
So now he's back and does this mean a lot to him?
Has he talked about like coming back and winning this tournament again or is it just
another one for him?
No, never.
Actually, I mean, like, at all, he, like, don't speak.
You don't speak?
At all, yeah.
Because, like, he's, like, basically, like, silent killer,
you know?
Like, he never speaks.
Like, even like, in game, he never speaks.
Damn.
Just, like, ping, and, like, back sometimes.
All right.
Very good.
The silent killer.
So you guys are ready to destroy Secret even more.
You know, beat him so bad, Silent left.
So very well.
OK.
Very good.
All right.
So are you guys looking for revenge against Tundra?
Now, Tundra is a team that also has a very unique stand-in in Parker.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
The biggest one, actually.
That is very unique and interesting.
But are you ready to take them down?
Is that the team that you're gunning for the most?
Yeah.
If I don't die for 20 times in the first game,
maybe we will win them now.
We will try to take revenge for the finals.
And I will try my best.
Yeah, OK.
Well, that's good to hear.
I'll take coffee this time.
We'll see.
But I mean, Tundra's scary team.
Falcon's scary team with your old ex-stand-in.
Yeah, Falcon's now a Y2.
But Liquid is at full strength.
No stand-ins on that team.
You don't care?
No, Liquid no cares.
Damn, hell yeah.
Liquid, I can't rest, I don't know.
I love the energy.
Fantastic.
It's creepy.
I mean, he was right, like ex-coach.
And now we have them.
And he was right for sure.
We beat them in the Dream League.
Oh, damn.
Always great to talk to you.
Thank you for the confidence.
Thank you for the shit talk.
Finally a player that remembers that and that's what it's all about man get in their head. So always a pleasure
Thank you so much. We're gonna see a lot more from them see if that check can be cashed here at
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I feel like it's easy to forget, but there's a lot of star power behind it.
Yeah, I think that especially that whole team shirt roster they're all just so humble guys like they're
Also nice. They're like, uh, we're just we're okay at the game. Well, I guess we win a ti
Maybe win some majors. That's it's not a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, and he's he's
Totally legit about it. Like it's it's not um
some
Persona or it's not some sort of like character
So that way he can like keep an objective view on the game
Like this is genuinely how the guy is like he's talked about the feeling of like imposter syndrome. Yeah, but like
Goddamn this guy got so much work in every team that he's been
And I think it's I think it's really easy to underestimate how valuable it is to have somebody who it's like I can understand
He thinks like oh, I say nothing and I'm just doing my job in the game
It's like he just just a little bit in between games and yeah
It's like brother just because you're not saying a lot doesn't mean like what you're saying
Is an incredibly high value and just because you're you're not
saying anything doesn't mean you're like people can see what you're doing on
the map right it's like he's still in the right place at the right time always
and especially if you're on a team with nightfall like somebody's got some he's
got not so quiet well it's a stereotypical you know action speak
louder than words yeah exactly exactly so so shout out shout out Samira we're
very lucky to have him in the scene yeah it is also cool to hear how he
talked about you know the heart of our team is WS and our coach and WS is once
again oh my gosh look at those respect pads. The class of this matchup is so fun
and so unusual we got the WS Mars the Kaori Warlock and now the V2 life to the
first face God. To be fair Tundra has shown that in this meta for them at
East, which worked in Dream League, respect is much more valuable than what are the overpowered
heroes.
It didn't work out last game.
It did.
Okay.
Sorry.
It's a lion.
I mean, the overpowered heroes also did not work out last game either, though, because
they had the two, they had the strongest safe lane hypothetically in Dota right now,
and they still lost.
Maybe they'll puck them with the lion then.
Yeah, because the puck was first face-bound previous game, left in now, because the
The lion would also protect the talkabit.
That's kind of my read.
I think that...
I don't think the Shadowfiend was necessarily an issue.
So I think it's fine to just take it again.
Even the tree.
That didn't seem bad.
They were doing fine in the early game.
I think there's some issue with the mid-game with Connection.
Maybe it was the Leicester.
Maybe it was the Phoenix.
I think the Fiend...
I would ban the Phoenix.
I don't remember what they'd been...
Well...
In the previous game at this rate, I mean so far for Aurora, it's been exactly
the same they banned through master shadow demon and it was the ursa that ton of a band
out in this phase which they kind of would have to do again if they're planning on a
similar style of game no well I was thinking maybe they could also do shaman ban if they
want to take puck on the 13th pick I just I always think it feels weird to give away
phoenix to carry to carry I mean yeah it's like why not just ban is phoenix like
sure they'll get her so but they've gotten hoodwinked. Okay I think all they
take the shaman I see okay so I think they are setting up for a puck yeah
that's that's a okay I didn't I didn't see it five steps ahead like they do so
yeah ban the hoodwink is a strong laner to play with the wargo and take the
shaman which means now it feels bad for a war to take puck and then they can
get a later phased puck potentially the pick the feelings anyway which doesn't
leave space for the dream protector right or would they they could well yeah
that's so we now I don't I think I don't think so tree is probably I want to
say it's gonna be ignored then Tundra could still pick it again but they
might just be like I didn't really do the much last game to be honest I think
Tusk, Shadowfiend should be really good versus Largo, if you just get on top of him, you
kill him.
I know Phoenix is usually good versus Tusk Lane because you reduce the attack speed,
but I think SF is too strong over here that it kind of trumps that.
And Mira's hero pool right now is banned out.
It's Lyon and Shaman, they're the two heroes.
So he will be forced to play something different, so maybe that's the scenario
where maybe Mira's like, okay, Tree Phoenix is pretty damn good.
Maybe I take the Tree, but yeah, I don't know.
It just doesn't seem that good as a four position
compared to previous patches.
Maybe like Marcy or something.
Like you play to kill the Shadow Fiend in lane.
I can see the Marcy.
It's also technically a flex.
I think Carrie Marci is also good versus Shadowfiend.
Yeah, we saw it yesterday.
Keeps her draft up.
They can take the Marci now, take their mid onto 18,
and then 23, they can pick a support order, Carrie.
I think they're probably gonna set up for an Ursa
with the fact that life's there's been, Ursa's not banned.
I wouldn't be surprised if 18 is probably
just gonna be the Ursa.
So maybe setting up for something like that,
which I think of like anything with slows
or stuns, roots, dark willow
kind of has all of that right.
You have the fear, you have the brambles, you have the curse crown.
You do a lot of stuff to help an Ursa, say, hit his targets.
Yeah.
She's generally a really strong lane to Largo below.
So much magic damage, kill threat.
You can pull into the roots.
To make sure the roots is really strong.
Previous game, we talked about having the doom versus the Largo.
Obviously, they went for the central hoodwink in this position last time round.
Did last game make us want to see the Doom plus a different one anyway?
And they could still go for a treat if they wanted, it's still in the pool.
We're looking for a white one here, I was like...
The Centaur seemed like very okay to me, you know?
It's like he performed very well, but I feel like that's just because he's 33 and he had a lot of farm.
If he was Doom, I really do feel like that game would have gone better.
Like, we never saw the cart really get effectively used and to me, that's the reason why you would pick it with Shadow Fiend.
I don't feel like the doom.
I think it'll have more impact than center.
The only other random heroes I can think of are maybe a tidehunter.
Yeah.
Is ok vs. Saga.
Like you purge all the random stacks from Kroken Genius on you.
But you are allied against an Ursa maybe.
And that would be painful.
Yeah.
I almost guaranteed there's going to be an Ursa pick here.
Yeah.
So they'll go for the doom this time round.
I still think you Ursa here for Aurora even into the doom.
I think so.
Try to think of other, I mean, I see worlds where Sven
is good in this kind of draft.
Because I've always like Cinder's Doom
because Cinder's a very front loaded button hero.
Like you pressure ult before you go
and you can pressure E before you go
and they blink stun BKB and that's like all
on the jump and it doesn't matter if you're doomed.
Because you're already in there,
you've already blinked in, you've already stunned,
you clicked everything you're going.
And I think that that is another one of the heroes
that does a bunch of physical damage.
But then, something I mentioned last game,
there's the Doom, when we were doing that whole thing,
is what's the best carry versus Doom?
It is, in theory, do so,
because it's the only carry in the entire game
that can heal itself during Doom.
Because it's mana, I mean.
Because your mana pool is your health,
and Doom doesn't stop mana regen.
Yeah, I was thinking about this, but I don't,
I'm not sure about Medusa as a hero in general, I mean we were not sure about life stealer last game and Aurora approved that they know better so I'm
More than happy to be proven wrong, but we've seen the win rate of butterfly. I feel like that's an important timing
You're playing into Chen. He's gonna have a mana burn creep. He's also pushing down towers really quickly
I feel like doom builds crimson garden pipe and
That's really effective versus Medusa
I just I don't see this counter going the way that it does in pubs that makes like for instance a Dota buff win rate
so bad for doom because
Just don't do Mdusa and then build the ore items and I don't think it's that bad
I mean you do know you have a pretty free carry game though because I also think it's good against shadow fiend
He's just trying to he's doing
Raw physical damage with minus armor and minus armor by the way does nothing to Medusa's mana shield
It literally does not consider reductions. So it's hypothetically also good against SF. I just worry like
like, are they gonna just lose in the early game? To the tower push that Tundra has?
Well, at this point, I'm worried that if they don't ban out Anti-Mage here, Shadowfiend's
gonna put mid, and then we're gonna have Parker Anti-Mage in our hands. Why are the things
so long to think about the ban?
Because Anti-Mage is quite dog shit, but I do think you're right. Like, on any patch,
you have to consider it. Like, even in Anti-Mage offline, it's a very good Anti-Mage
game.
I guess they'd like first the Largo all magic damage. Yes ports all magic damage with not really pretty limited stuns
Hmm, and then the do so maybe this mid here is gonna be good for sentinage, but I still think you I still think you pick it
I think it's pickable
It's super pickable. I mean
imagine
Imagine that Aurora like blunders by picking like ember or something like that and then they pick storm
I guess it's bad
If they pick something which as have dumpsters mid, it's just a free here's an anti-mage game
We're going through a game three. Yeah
So I think something cool
I just want to say about the DUSA is the way that DUSA's mana or mana shield works is
Armor reduction armor doesn't matter for that calculation
So it's really cool versus like the shadow fiend because the whole thing with the shadow
We talked about what's the most broken thing about it's the aura that doesn't really affect the DUSA
So like in theory, this is a super good Ducie game. It's good verse Chen in terms of the creeps. It's good verse doom
It's good versus shadow fiend
But if all of Aurora's eggs are in this like do some basket because it's so good for Santa team. It's such a greedy
That's not good
But that's so but that's okay. So that's the biggest riding on the wall. I've ever seen did they just forget
No
Okay, so there's a thing that some do so players say that do says actually good for Sam
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound. No, you're good. It sounds it's I'd sound stupid
But there's I know people talk about this that effectively your goal is do so can be to end at 25 minutes
You get Manta butterfly you walk high ground with ages at like 20 you try to get the Roche like 20 minutes
21 minutes, you determine to Roche, butterfly and the game.
And Anthony is usually going to have his battle fury
and maybe like Yasha at worst of Mantis style,
but he can't fight Inti at that time.
So you have like, I'll be nice if an eight minute window
to win the game in this matchup.
So that's what you got going for Aurora.
It is something, it has happened before.
Okay. Is this one of those things where,
you know how we sometimes talk about nothing to say is puck
where if you don't ban it or if you ban it all the time
And then this one time you're like, oh, you know, actually, we got a plan against it.
Is it one of the time where you just have to be reminded that you can't let
us make sure against what I would hope that they knew that it was coming?
I don't think you can blunder that hard.
Dusa and just forget and to every time you pick, especially picking
Ember, when they have that stuff that you would let them rotate it
and get this free lane.
Like to me, this is just like you pick Dusa at every single time.
Sometimes my captains have even like ignored.
They're like what what is your one band because the second bit is guaranteed to be it doesn't that you don't even speak about it
It's just like a rule that kind of happens
So I I have to trust them that it was a conversation they had and they said well play the aim
But I'm not too confident. I respect the balls. I really do
I don't think it's gonna work out for them and take one of the game three about I really respected
They're confident in that eight eight minute window
Okay, nice minute window
So let's see how Aurora is going to try to pull this one off Medusa versus Anti-Mage
to pick up on the cost.
Thank you very much, an 8 minute window.
It might be too small a window for some, but we'll see if they can make it work.
This Anti-Mage last pick will cost.
How are you feeling about the game?
Feeling good.
They don't have much control.
Their control is Shadow Shaman, and even on Aurora, the control isn't really there.
First pretty fix is a lot of those issues. You have some coming out from Dark Willow,
but other than that, I feel like we might be also seeing fights where both teams are
clashing and we're seeing like one or two kills and then they just run away because
nobody can stun them. I have to agree with Gunnar. It has been like that for a while.
This whole matchup I remember back in the days, Miracle, Batchest, Him going high ground
with the Medusa, Butterfly, Mantis-style, ready to close out the game.
You take the Aegis, and then they can't really fight you.
We'll see if they're going to be able to replicate that in this game.
Because Largo's also very passive as a hero.
WS is going to be taking up some damage.
He'll catch you, look himself, but blood grenade now.
Just a hell of air.
Just doing some damage with the help of this chin,
and we'll just chase him back to his lane.
I don't think they're getting this kill by any means but putting some decent damage on to him is quite nice
This mid matchup now is gonna be SF against the Ember and
You know, we were kind of maybe in the beginning thinking SF safe lane, but now we're seeing a mid
What's the what's the difference here in SF when he goes from safe to mid?
Oh
Look at the BGM has queued up
I think this might be actually it he might actually pick up for guardian dreams in this year. Yes
It's in trouble first blood for Parker
That's not who you want to be giving first blood to literally and it's a double kill for Parker
He survives with us the 19 health
Oh
That's not the story the aim in a window gets smaller. Oh
This is a rough one. He's gonna have such a good timing on that battle theory because of the double kill
He basically got extra 500 gold in the laning stage and you're playing anti-major playing you're laning with Chen
Which means that you're gonna have that extra bit of like just just Chen is such a strong laner
It secures a lot of the lanes but to go back to the mid lane
Shadowfinn he loves to play into this matchup against Ember Spirit and I think if they want to be like
Making sure that they have enough, if he's going to be going for Guardian Greaves, something that has been picked up on other mid heroes.
We're seeing good amount of Razor from the mid lane, Storm Spirits picking it up, and now Shadowfiend as well.
It allows you to get an earlier timing, especially if you have another aura buyer.
Let's say Doom, he doesn't have anything queued up, but if 33 decides to go for drums, if he decides to go for Crimson,
Or if he decides to go for pipe depending on which direction he wants to go both items are good pipe most of the damage
They have is magical crimson is very good against Medusa
And then you have Chen building into another aura, whatever he feels like buying whether that's gonna be a solar crest
Well, we'll see how this is gonna be played out because this game just even completely flipped having this anti-mage
And it seems like we're gonna be able to get the kill
This time around they will. Last time in the previous game, Killry, he was the one making the turnaround play, getting that kill and Ari getting that first blood, but this time around they do have enough damage.
They get that damage out and shut him down, 3-0 in favor of Tindra already with a double kill happening for Parker. I mean, it's very weary if you are rooting for Aurora here or if you're Aurora themselves.
V2 has had, I would say, good games for the most part, and now, you know, didn't win every game,
but I feel like he's had solid performances throughout them all.
Yeah, he's gonna need to pull out something a bit more.
Every time V2 and N, he's playing really well.
It's very true, and what we'll see now is Parker in a game on the WS.
No mana left for him, and...
It's not doing so much damage, but the Shadow Realm Strike that comes in from Mira hits Parker quite hard.
This lane is...
...shaping up to be quite good for the Anti-Mage.
The Medusa...
...is farming well though.
Can they make this 8-minute window work?
Can they find the items necessary to really get it going, and how are we gonna see this Ember do as well?
They try to go again, but the blink away, the Frog Stomp will be on the Creep Wave, so they'll try to get some...
CS for WS
WS
It's going into these phase roots will be chased by Parker the chase is on the brambles are down that catches white man
Doesn't catch Parker Parker hitting pretty hard
WS has to be very careful because he's got the help from the chin and white ones gonna be the one who gets credit for that kill
They'll even go for Mira. They've got white bottom low as well as Parker and this is still a kill
It's a double now for the chin so both these heroes in this lane have the double and BZM now finally a
Kill on the board for Aurora as they get the shadow fee mid
I mean this top lane is just a disaster
I'm just thinking how Largo is gonna be playing the game against Antimage like if you have no mana
What do you do? I mean you're also gonna be focusing the you can't play the game without mana
but at least WS getting something done, getting the kill here.
Apparently sitting at only 14 CS, he's going to need to bring some extra region because
he is very low at the moment.
Just went straight into that soul ring, by the way, not even messing around with Tranks.
Because I don't think that would work out well for him disassembling the Trank.
Oh, the Trank was in a lane like this.
Especially against Anti-Mates.
So just right into the FaZe boots, brambles out again, shadow realm, strike, thrown over
onto Parker.
Once he uses that healing salve in the top lane, does have raindrop power treads, he's
going to be good to go.
He can play aggressive again.
And if you're trying to kill this hellbear creep, it's insane.
First of all, you get 18 attack speed aura and also you get the 120 attack speed
if the creep dies.
Yeah, the deaththrow rush is really nice.
I'm Parker, aware of it, already level five.
Whitemon also already level four, six minutes in.
See who comes over towards mid?
They've got one on each side, Mira makes the rotation with Kaori.
They've got Ari in the vicinity for the side of Tundra
trying to control this first power rune,
and we'll see what it ends up being.
BGM's gonna go that way.
fire spirits to try and deter them from going in on it and they're gonna rip it
forward try and make something happen hitting that level six as they've got
the shackles BCF boots and decent damage but Makoto's gonna be able to survive
get techs and can't live afterwards double throw a hurry down and that's gonna
be two heroes dead under the tower Mira dies as well solo XP for him they
would definitely love shadow fiend to be able to survive get some XP before he
dies because he is still level five and member spirit is level six and a
But they are putting good amount of pressure in this top lane securing the lane for Parker
Which is what matters the most and I talked about the auras that they can bring doom can also bring another aura
It's just a speed aura for now drums
And we're gonna be seeing what he's gonna be bringing as his first item after drums requiem finally online
He just came back and he just got back here
He's gonna try and get away from this one
by Kayle where he comes over and gets that kill. They were also trying to go for top at the same time.
Mira ends up surviving that. It was the Shadow Shaman of Ari, who was invissed thanks to picking up that power rune,
but was unable to really find a kill up there, and they get the kill out of the Shadow Fiend again.
So, things kind of settling out for Aurora in a way that looks decent,
but they still have this anti-mage issue that they're going to have to deal with.
Usually, your mid is a playmaker in this game. He's not going to be that.
But the only way you can start a fight is pretty much if Ari is going to be shackling
them or if you have anti-mage pointing in and then being like very aggressive because they
also have very limited amount of stuns.
But Ari is the one who is having an okay time.
He is having a lot of experience.
He is level 5 and a half getting some extra XP in the mid lane as well.
Ulti used by Parker.
Not going to kill either of these heroes.
The chase was on.
He changes, doing so much of his damage onto WS, all by himself too.
It ain't fun to deal with.
Get an eye on Ari getting the double stack or attempting to, and will.
He's trying to stack up for this anti-mage to have success after he picks up this battle
fury.
All said and done, Medusa is top of the net worth with a very decent farm.
Thanks. Pretty open for V2 and Overbottom.
Makoto has a shield rune in that bottle.
As this urn finally delivered, Arcane Boots now finished for BZM.
Like he said, he's going into the Guardian Greaves, then wants a Kaia.
need to recover in the jungle, can't really show up to a mid lane anymore, Kodo continues
to farm up, level 8. I mean Shadowfiend did farm some stacks, he's level 7 and a half right
now. The game is gonna be I would say a bit slower, especially between 10 and 15 minutes,
it's not gonna be as easy to start a fight for both of the teams once the laning stage
It needs to be Mikoto, Dark Willow combination to try to set things up.
Other than that, the game is pretty difficult to initiate.
Both offlaners are not the traditional offlaners.
Even though we are in Largo meta, the hero is heavily contested,
but these are not like traditional Mars, who's going to be blinking game,
center with the blink dagger to try to start a fight or use a stand feed.
It's going to be a lot more slower.
Take one traditional off-limit air please as they will look to see what the
steam can get done. He's going into the ring in Tarasky. He's got the drums as
well as the tranquil's picked up. Parker gonna put some pressure on the bottom
tier one. White Mountain was forming the jungle up in the top side, taking
some of that radiant farm up there and he's gonna be pushing out or
helping to push as well and now going through that twin gate to even get
some solo farm up in the top lane while Parker pushes bottom.
This will be a tower taken by the side of Tundra, opening up the map a little bit more
shrinking what Medusa can feel comfortable at.
At the same time Aurora are going for the tier one mid.
Shouldn't be much stopping them either, so...
Both teams kind of content with losing these buildings.
And the Amidusa is at the top of the network, but the difference is you can see afterwards
between the rest of the team, and the rest of Aurora is pretty significant.
It really is. Again, Kaori being on top.
He is getting good amount of farm, using more than 3 out of 4 kills,
continues to farm the jungle.
He is the hero specialist after all.
This is probably his most played hero.
I just gotta double check that that I'm not lying.
This time around though, not going into that pipe,
going holy lock at first it is his most played hero one 74 matches sitting at
66% win rate holy lock it yeah it's a good item that show good against you but
seems like they just want to have stuff that they can throw onto the heroes it's
you can like throw it onto the Medusa which does make a lot of sense
Anything to keep the Medusa alive, give him a little bit more mana.
Anything you can do there, that holy lock.
Yeah, you're losing like the healing part. You're not giving him heal, but at least you're giving him mana, which is still going to be pretty nice.
Looking around and no arcane boots on the side of Aurora.
The dive is on, Supernovae is used, Chet is in some trouble, the catch you look to pull him back and get that kill, they also kill off his courier.
33 is making a rotation, Parker nearby, 4 heroes here for Aurora, but what can they get it done?
They might just lose me, are they? They're looking to maybe think about going for a doom somewhere else.
Ari chasing Makoto who's using these remnants, but now out of mana, needs to get out of dodge.
The blink forward from Parker, the searing chains lock him down so Makoto is able to get back towards the tier 1 tower.
All that at the cost of the Dark Willow, but just the price of the Dark Willow is well worth it.
That being said, 33 with a little bit of a chase, but walks into the frog stomp and can't catch up to WS.
It's important that they are also relieving pressure from Medusa. There was a twin gate rotation.
At least they tried. They killed the tower in the bottom lane with Anti-Mage.
But so far so good. Again, V2 on the network.
On Medusa. They have the shackles. They should be able to get this kill in Will.
He's dead, Makoto showed up today, said he has no matter the croaker health, but Al gets through these serpent wards, Makoto's still gonna die here to Ari.
It's a serpent ward who gets him and the shackles will lock down the dark willow, and that's gonna be three heroes dying on the side of Aurora.
I just cursed him, I said that they were doing a good job relieving the pressure off Medusa.
She's not WS as well, and he's dead too.
They need to stay ahead with this type of a lineup with the Medusa. You need to have that Mantis style
You need to have that butterfly and auras on side of tundra are starting to pile up bongo boots already finished on 33
This is the item that he really likes to buy even yesterday when he was playing tight hunter
He was buying bongo boots as his first item just the extra region allows you to get the farm and
Have a little bit of a reset in the fight. It doesn't last for too long
But it lasts long enough for you to potentially get that in trouble.
Kaori's did a white bomb to chase Somp 33.
The Remnants forward, but the hex hits from Ari.
33 gonna be able to survive with 50 health.
He runs it all the way out, BZM now, trying to help out.
Guardian Greaves are used, but Ari's still in trouble.
But Ari gets behind the trees and survives.
Makoto's the one, Dane stayed.
Two heroes with 10 health that get to survive.
And down goes the Medusa.
Alright, they kissed that window. They actually fell out of that window if you want to say
because right now they can't really do anything with this lineup anymore. Medusa even decided
to show up in a fight and it didn't really work out for them. And also the reason why
he survived on Doom is he has windlays, he has bongo boots and he also has my favorite
combo enchantment from tier 1. It is Kobold Cup plus quickened enchantment. I might
be also be slightly biased over this because my favorite crib in Dota ever
since he was added is the cobalt cup guy he just looks too gangster he looks too
funny all right find me a cobalt cup guy
immediately ready wow taking a sip of their cobalt cup I think we need to
change his name and game to cobalt cup guy because that is who he is
Trying to get stolen by WS
But there is a lot needed here to go right for Aurora and more so I would say wrong for Tundra for Aurora to have a
Shot in this game. Yeah, it is very difficult to throw a game like this
Every game is throwable if you try hard enough, but for Tundra being a super stable team
Even with Parker on the team. I'd say this is almost near impossible. Could we check the Dota plus?
When probability WS I
I don't think he really has a way out of this one and that is going to be more
mana depleted thanks to the purge here. They are just making sure that they can
get this kill and take out this this Largo. 77% doesn't seem high enough.
That doesn't seem right, right?
Yeah, that seems too low.
Yeah, if I was being realistic, I would give them like 5%
Always got to include a human error in the equation potentially.
Or like a disconnect.
We're on land, I don't know.
Maybe if this was online, there'd be the full disconnect.
It's a bit of a tough one.
So go for Roche Croaker sent our creeps all doing their deal hellbear smasher
Are he's just kind of waiting in the wing
There's certainly no way they get this ages right I
Don't want to speak too soon though or they want to take off to the side on side of Thunder
They know that the damage was very slow
Kyori, he does have 25 Holy Lock in charges but no mana so might be forced to use it on himself. Parker?
It needs to be a little careful. Roshi is pretty low, there's the doom out of the Medusa.
Stonegaze is used and then off the site they've got the Emperor going after this Shadow Shaman who might just die.
They're gonna try to get themselves the Aegis, the Terrorize goes out. Does he have a chance to pick it off the mana void?
33 they got a count of each who nothing can go right here for a rora and that's gonna be korey
He's got the chases on for this dark willow parker just looking chasing killing and getting eventually
the kill
We looked away. I don't know what he was waiting. He did not want to attack him. It's the classic parker move
You know, he can't get out.
Lakota.
Worst to ram him back.
How long did he wait for?
He would be hit.
Five, six seconds.
He just scared him.
They know. They know that this game is completely cooked.
At this point, you would definitely love to have Medusa have like almost a finished butterfly in the next minute or two.
Ideally, but he did die three times doesn't have a single kill to his name
Doof
Oh three no
And three K behind the anti-mage
What was that window again it was eight minute window
After they between what times like once you pick up butterfly and Vanta style. It was supposed to be an eight minute window
Okay
There, you know, the window is there, but unfortunately it was like a bird situation when the window is too clean and the bird just smashes into it.
Oh, window! Just hits it as hard as possible. Feathers go everywhere.
I don't like this window. This is like Windows XP back in the days.
It goes further back.
Windows ME.
one of the worst ones out there and these Orans they are definitely stacking up
right now 33 still thinking about what he wants to get for now it is neutral
creep it is purge that he can he can dispel a lot of good things in this one
he can dispel spirits vessel searing chains stuff from Dark Willow fire
spirits it is a good one to be holding on to 25 charges on Kaila he's
He's fully locked and he's level 11, he's farming well, I think comparatively to other supports but I mean that's the only positive I'm kind of drawing conclusions from in the moment.
Going for that solar crash which, speaking of which, my mind just picked up his gun.
You can see where Tundra are playing, I mean they have all of the maps to really just go for.
Terrorized lands, Benelum not really doing a lot, Cursed Crown does pop, they are TPing
over, WS is here, Scythe of Fist is here he chains, he's not the one who has the Aegis
but he is the one who's able to blink away and Parker avoids the Super Nova, Parker
avoids it all and Tundra don't really get touched by anything that Aurora threw
out their way.
Even through hand of God, even though he does have medium Lotus extra 400 HP on Parker very difficult to kill
Guardian Dreeves as well. That's a that's a good amount of fields
Coming out and now they can start to pressure some towers. How's the V2 in a dune?
It's him play more
So what you're saying is it's not looking good. It's not it's not looking good now
And I wanted 33 to go for Pyke, but he did go for Midas to get extra bit of a gold understanding of this game
He's kind of secure so Midas is still fine
But luckily you have two extra charges like two charges of the tower and now with Pyke being almost delivered
That's gonna be most of the magic damage gone as well and they can reset again Aurora
They don't have enough control to choose how the fights are gonna be going
This is similar to when, hold on, I'll hold that bad joke as Kaori getting caught and killed
off by BZM, level 16 has the help from Ari, Ari's been doing wonders this game.
I was trying to remember, because it was a time when Shadow Theme was actually buying
mech, but I couldn't figure out what it was.
It was actually when the Hock played mid, and he was one buying, I think Gambit was the name of the team,
and he was buying mech, and they were going for this high ground push when the President's aura was still on level 15,
where they could just loop up at the end of the game.
Beyond Goddelike and Makoto caught, right where you're there.
They got a couple of raises to get the kill on Makoto, take out Mira, that's four heroes dead.
He tuned just trying to get any farm he can.
But these guys are...
Trying their best to hopping over the gate.
Heheheheh.
Knows that he can't die.
Look at his HP region, almost 50 region per second.
Hex!
He tuned, he's been caught.
He'll be cut up for the Omokase.
What is the time to call it?
It is time to call it.
And there is the call. GG is called 24-6.
Just 23 minutes in.
Tundra are going to even up the series at 1 apiece.
The Medusa does not work against this Anti-Mage that they let through,
and they pay for it quickly.
Gritudi included.
Yeah, this one was quick.
It just started way too good for Anti-Mage.
Double kill, first blood in the top lane, then another double kill,
another double kill, 4-in, rotates to the bottom, gets the last hit on the tower.
Too good of a start against Medusa, and then Medusa joins one's fight, one fight, she dies,
she joins in the mid fight, she dies again.
They focused heavily on the BCM, but he just farmed, he got Guardian Greaves, they grouped
up and ended the game.
Yeah, short one to break down, but a one to break down, indeed we're going to send
it over to the panel to hear their thoughts, guys, take it away.
Let us break it down.
Anti-Mage, overall last pick.
In a Medusa game.
Okay, now what?
Kill first blood for the anti-mage
No
Was it what was the plan on hindsight? Can we can we see the plan?
For like rationalizing Aurora, yes
Okay, I'm waiting. I'm going to
Respect them and say that they did not forget about the AM because I think it's pretty disrespectful
Typhil, does any of these seem to be like they just forgot the AM due to my trip?
Sure, yeah cause it's ingrained, you should have checked that out.
I think it's just so unrealistic to say that they forgot it.
So I think they had to make the call or the trustment that they had good lanes enough
that if they picked the AM like oh maybe they think Shroudofin is kind of a weak mid.
And that they would hit this good timing at the Butterfly Manta?
I'm trying.
I think they did shut the strategy down.
They killed him twice.
I think when you're, you know, on the topic of respect,
I think this is one of those, like, to pick Ember here
and not ban Anti-Mage is disrespecting Tundra a bit
and maybe more so Anti-Mage as a hero in the counter.
OK, maybe respect is the wrong word,
But it's like their valuation of how bad is this hero,
how bad is SF as a mid that we can pick these lanes
and have these matchups and still win the game.
Clearly, the calculus there was wrong.
Because I mean, I agree with Gunnar.
I think it's very unlikely that they're just like,
oh, whoopsie, whoopsie.
I forgot.
They flip through the M, and they're like, oh my god.
Oh, shit.
I forgot about this.
I didn't expect that.
No way.
It's like, OK, if they do this, yeah, it's not that.
that calculus was wrong.
Yeah.
And that happens because on some patches,
you know,
AM is a bad hero or the enemy team,
they don't have a player who can play it,
which is not the case here by the way.
You get Parker free AM game.
I was just wondering if you,
you, you pick Largo in first pick.
I think a lot of these drafts,
it's just like in general the, the gameplay.
It's a certain buy,
usually what you pick early in draft.
So it's like once you pick Shadowfiend
and they don't really go around it too much
because they kind of swap it up at the end,
But you start drafting mostly aiming towards the shot if you carry another side you pick lorgo, which we talked about a lot
It's kind of a slow start you have to get your eggs
But what is it not gonna leaning like it's a very weak later
And then you're also setting up for an anti-mage plastic like everything they're doing is literally you're like here Parker
Here's an anti-mage game. You're probably not gonna die because there are many stuns
We're not gonna pressure the lane and you have a good carry measure up
So I don't really know like I cannot give a good reason as to why it kind of slipped through the cracks
No, and if you look at the two bands that were went for the tinker and the invoker
That's I would give the invoker like give them invoker
Yes, PCM one of the best invokers in the world if not the best, but it would not be as bad as the anti-mich
I mean to rationalize like the tinker band for example, you would think it's like, okay
We have Largo we have Medusa
We are not doing anything for the first like 15 minutes of the game
Like you have to be really careful about a hero that can just farm for 15 minutes and then pop off
So let's give them anti-mage instead.
It's like, what the fuck?
What do you mean?
Dude, come on.
Yeah, just to drive the point home real good.
Let's see how anti-mage killed Medusa.
Yeah, so this is what happens when anti-mage has a 2-0-2 coming out of the laning stage.
I think that was like seven hits.
Yeah.
Just against Medusa.
I think
I mean like I had this stage in the game would take like 20 seconds to kill me like if the shadow thing was the carry that
Just would probably still be alive would have pressed all because you wouldn't have the manner burn
And that's like, oh, okay
Parker just shows up it makes it early game teamfight just too hard for a road to taking
Also, there was I think in the highlights. He got like a double kill before the cameras even like
Which is off of the split cameras blood double kill. Yep, and then I think it was two minutes later
Chen got a double kill just think any time you take one of these heroes like anti mage who
What needs to farm for 15 minutes and like the whole problem with them is like okay?
They can't do anything for 15 minutes, but then they're really strong
And then you give them a way to fight because you have an entirely mana based hero like anytime
There's a storm lash Medusa especially and then all of a sudden the hero can farm jungle camps
but also farm your heroes, that's where you have these problems happening in drafts.
On the bright side, they got anti-maged, you know? I feel like this one,
the team is going to have a really easy time of writing this one off, and clean go next. And that
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Hello everyone and welcome for a very intense interview where we will get to the bottom
of Team Tundra with BZM.
How are you doing today, sir?
Good.
Good.
I didn't sign up for an intense interview.
Well, it's about to get a lot worse than good.
Okay?
It's about to get serious.
I'll just get this one out of the way.
Parker.
How'd that happen? Why?
How?
Why not?
Why not?
I think there's a lot of reasons why many would say why not.
But why pick Parker?
First of all, a player doesn't say what happens in the team by himself, right?
There's like voting, democracy, whatever.
I don't believe in that crap.
Hell yeah.
Base! As an American, fuck democracy, babe!
Anyway, I think this tournament has 20 teams or something, so if you want a stand-in,
you are kind of like choosing from this many people.
Yeah. Maybe. So, he's probably the best one.
Okay, so I have to ask you about Pure, though.
Pure seems like a very big part of the team.
It feels like things might be very different without that.
Are you concerned at all from that?
Do you think that he brings a lot of what makes Tundra Tundra?
Or do you feel like if one guy had to go, not the worst guy?
Yeah, he also like did some drop on drafts.
So like one way to play with him.
But it's not like the biggest piece is gone.
and now you have to rebrand, no, nothing like that, but we miss him. We miss you, bro.
So, peace, brother.
Not like that.
She's alive as well, don't worry.
But yeah, I mean, I think he's gonna talk to, I don't know, but if he's gonna talk to
but he's going to talk to us online, I think.
So he's still going to be helping out.
He's going to pull said back in the day.
Just like messaging nonstop or what?
I don't know about that.
All right, all right.
So a lot of guys were complaining
that these back-to-back tournaments
has really messed up their schedule
and it's very hard to perform well.
This never seems to affect you guys.
You guys are at everything.
You're top, you know, top three, top four, almost every time,
if you're not winning.
How come you guys have the stamina
where everyone else is so weak and pathetic?
I don't think we get the stamina in the last blast.
Wow, I get out of that.
Yeah.
Common male thing, you can't keep it up all the time.
I mean, I think for us, having these back-to-back
tournaments helps keep people focused and in shape.
And like, if there is any break,
it's like so little that people just forget they had a break.
And they just use it to like refresh mindset, refresh like energy
perspective, if you want, whatever.
But the new year break, month and a half.
You know, that's what cost us the best.
In the recent interviews, you said that you were bored of playing against most teams.
Now, this is really interesting to me because from a competitive
standpoint, a lot of players love playing against the same teams because they know how to beat them,
but you're a different kind of beast. Is this still hold true? Are you bored against playing
guys like Liquid and all these other dudes? I mean it is boring when the teams don't change
anything about their face style or heroes or way of drafting, the way of playing the map or
level. But when a new player comes in, like, just one, for example. Yeah. I mean, you said
Liquid, they have two new players, and it's like, I have different playing them than,
for example, Astia. So this tournament in particular has a lot of standings. So it's
not going to be the same teams. So maybe now it's boring? Yeah, I'm not as bored.
Could we say maybe exciting? Maybe exciting. Maybe exciting. Well, I'm excited to see
how far you guys get. Thank you so much for your time. It has been an absolute pleasure. I wish you
the best of luck with Parker. Enjoy your time, and you guys enjoy watching this wonderful man and
his wonderful team here at PGL of Alachia, season set.
It's good that BZM is feeling like he's having an exciting time and I will say this series in particular
I don't know if he's having such a good time because I feel like every time even the game that they just won
BZM is the focus they rotate to him every time I make sure to kill him at least once or twice in the landing
I love that as a mid player. I love it. Yeah, it's so fun. What what? Seriously? No, it's not
I mean I don't mind when I go mid because I'm an off-layer so I'm used to people running around
Screw me over and if they're mid it's like one shit at mid. So
You're you're screwing the wrong guy, you know, but I mean in this case. I
Actually think that was kind of happening like sure going mid. They're like
They'll never rotate SF mid because it's such a shit laner and we can focus him with the supports
But then what are you leaving in the side lanes to free from a doom in an anti mid
So while I do think I submit is punishable by killing him the question is like what are you leaving elsewhere where that?
Space is being utilized. Yeah, maybe this time around though
I don't have a different approach for that regardless, but it does seem to be the trend that for roar
They have decided hey guys BGM is the one we should be focusing on and he is the one that is under receiving and there
Maybe this time around thunder will set him up with a little bit more protection
potentially. Let's see what's happening in game number three drops on and so far
every time and this time is no different it's been Aurora, Radiance side first pick
and Tundra, Dairyside second pick and every time so far these three bands you
see on the side of Aurora with Batrider, Beastmaster and Tiny have been the
exact same three bands and every game Tundra first-phase bands the Mars they
do add the warlock to that just like previous game just like game number one
as well actually and the puck like they didn't game number one and let's see
which one will come out next in the bands stormed interesting storm and that
means what's in last time they've been lying but that's because they they're
paying the fuck this time instead yeah games in a row they get the water bill
yeah I mean to be fair I don't really three games in a row the shadow thing
Oh, they did ban on Life City last game as well by then.
So maybe they're just going over a different route altogether.
I mean, why would you not take Shadowfiend?
I don't think that first game should sway you because we talked about it and we said
even like some moments, if they played a little better, it could have been different.
Yeah, like a bit better, it could be usage, a bit better, positioning the fights.
It definitely wasn't a hero, like hero issue.
Yeah.
I guess their idea against Largo is just destroy him a lane with a Chen.
Yeah, I honestly think pipe is very good versus lago like this really big tiny of level 12 eggs kind of gets angry like all the oras are really good against lago
Yeah, I like it. I I personally like I think offlaners love having a chin on their team because it means
You don't have to find the or items. Yeah, you can go for whatever items you want and you can be a core
You can be a core and like which player in Dota loves that more than 33
It's like I'm free to make item choices. He loves that shit
I wouldn't be so the other interesting thing about this is
Now it's like or do they have to use one of these two bands as a shadow fiend band
They do you go down this route of I guess we have to ban show because it's so good
It's a previous two games exact same bands were brew shadow demon. They will prioritize the brew
Let's see if shadow demon makes it through because do you really want the shadow demon chen combination of a support?
You know because fish it isn't a great is low damage
But you can't you are still a shadow demon which is still one of the best supports out there
Special vs. Lorego.
Maybe you can make up for the damage in other ways.
Yeah, I don't know.
I agree with that.
I think it's one of those things.
If they're willing to let an anti-mage through with a Moodusa on their team,
I'm sure they're willing to make the gamble of,
we'll give you a good support so you have a bad support.
And the Shadowfiend.
But Ursa or Lifestealer will be in the pool for this.
I think you play Ursa or Lifestealer, in my opinion.
Like the earth is kind of annoying. The best matchups to me feel like Ursa and Marcy I think for Shadofin
Yeah, the likes of the one like yeah, it can be annoying, but I
Think they messed up in the first game especially with like Parker's death to the life
So I think if the game was a consistently good for them the whole time
Yeah, I think I think Marcy is great as well like getting the creep and running through the Largo's jungle
It's just Parker like I'm not so sure how he's not really he doesn't give up mercy vibes now
He's like a turret player. That's he likes to play the ranged carries for the most part
So you'll be playing at the summer unless of course they switch it about like the previous game. They have flex potential
Yeah, that's one of those scenarios where we go if they have to it'll play mid
And then it finally actually happened because Aurora gave them the perfect draft
I would say like 95% of the time on this patch
It's going to be SF playing carry and I don't think Aurora is going to make the same mistake again
By the way, we didn't have to talk about the Phoenix. No, we did not
It's going to happen regardless. This is is this three games in a row where
Well, I guess yes one difference, but three games in a row were largo shadow fiend opening
Sorry, like a largo fiend largo fiend. Yeah, that's correct. And then and then afterwards it was
Always a mirror. I think yeah, we had a shadow shaman
But we lion both seem fine to me. What's which one's better against the Chen army probably hoodwink
I think hoodwink slightly better you can slow the creeps with the queue
I think there's anything like great first the Chen that he would want
But nothing is really coming to mind
It is a I guess pretty strong like four teams playing against or
Don't have to let the you don't have to down the the tree and because they will go for Phoenix over tree
That's sure and you can even eventually get tree if you wanted store just completely ignore it. Yeah
Nix's assen happy unhappy. Um, I
Think the way that you play against SF Chen in lane is by simply not
Yeah, so I do agree that some hero that's going to be cutting the creep wave and not really playing the lane
Anyway, is what you want. So that's a some melee hero and for Mira
probably his like favorite hero in the last couple of months is the Knicks
assassin so yeah this solves that problem in a way and Knicks in the game I
mean there's a lot of combos with it we've seen in Voker plus Knicks is very
strong any sort of mid that like wants you to run in and scout and start things
for them which is a lot of mids storm as well of course if that wasn't first
Shae's banned.
100 drafts is the exact same thing.
Living things, just pick, what did I have last game?
The, just pick another support.
The Shadow Shaman last time,
so that one's banned this time around,
but they want,
there's a lion in the pool, Ryze.
I think, yeah, lion is really good against Nix,
because you can hex him and he can't carapace that,
but, I mean, I also like, just hoodwink again,
actual hoodwink to guarantee lane winner, no matter what the carry is from Aurora.
But then again, if you're worried about the lifestealer coming out,
Lyon's probably better for that to deal with that,
because you can hack some before you get to Rage.
Even just the mana burn.
I think Rage costs 150 mana now.
So it's like a very big investment that gets mana burned.
Would you be worried about the lifestealer over the Ursa?
Because Ursa's still the full...
Sure, you could go Ursa.
You're going to get one of the two that are probably going to take the Ursa.
Ursa's good and bad versus Doom, like it's good because if you get the ult off before the Doom,
then it's really side for the Doom, but it's good for the Doom because Ursa needs his W for attack speed,
so it's like if you ult him with, you know, before he gets the enrage off, then he's just bad.
He's like a useless carry. He's not one of the strong. Like you do much shadowfiend,
sure you can't heal, but it doesn't really matter too much.
Like you know, the lifestealer mix combos are really nice too.
Running through the jungle with the lifestealer infested.
the hunt yeah I worked for them before so I just I I would love to see it again
they go for me there and pick up white spirit maybe they think they have a
third option there's the lights there's the Ursa trying to think of what a
V2n hero would be I don't think he really would like the Marcy hmm I mean
there's there's some like really crazy ones like I mean there's Phantom
assassin there's a do so with an AM ban that that's true they pick out a phase
but it's I mean if they ban AM Tundra's gonna end the two yeah but like okay
let's see about this way it's depending on but if they have to ban our do so then
life stealer ursas in the pool yep cuz like let's say they ban Ursa like
100 things Ursa the worst you've been the AM and then if they ban the do
So you take lifestealer and then if they don't bend the DUSA, you can take the
AM or the DUSA and there's no ERSA as well because you're banning the AM and the ERSA which are both pretty good versus the DUSA
If you're scared of the anime team, they can't ERSA.
I don't mind lifestealer into Viper because you can you can dodge the
Manta, Manta dodge and you can ult, you can infest. I mean honestly, this is such a good life stealer game
You can infest with white spirit as well
They might have razer. I think you ban the anti mage just to force the do so ban and then you can just take whichever carry you want
I guess the only other thing is since they didn't ban the earths of lifesaver
You could just commit to that being your top two carries and then just picking something that is
is okay versus both. Which would be for the mid lane.
I guess they're just banning.
Which I think is fair.
So that means that there will not be a do so, right guys?
There's no anti-vage ban.
No way, not two games in a row. It's impossible.
I mean, VG was 0-4-0. I think he's going to say like,
guys, let's not. Let's not.
Besides, there are still two options that we talked about
we talked about that are still very viable and they can only ban on one of the two so they're
still in the same position as if they've forced Medusa ban out.
There's life stealer ban.
So Ursa? Ursa makes the most sense to me. I'm trying to think that there's
other options like you would want to play. I don't think like Void, but I don't
really like Void into Doom. Void into Doom is rough. Yeah.
There's you might be a good people game. I mean, what about what about Spectre? I
Think spectre was Chen not the greatest right like all the auras the sustain
Templar sas and you mentioned template sas an early this morning, I mean
I think it's just one of the heroes that makes sense in this burst physical damage meta
Just burst damage because you not only prevent yourself from dying with refraction
But you also are buying the good Andrew buying the desa the Daedalus swift blink like your inventory is gonna look very good by the end of the game and
I
Guess they want him to play more range carries rather than but they had success with his life there
Which is what's confusing to me. I think just going back to that life. So about would have
Obviously banned like the May like Harry. Yeah, I think you're go heroes and he traditionally has played mostly this is what he plays
Yeah, he's the he's the Berzer type carry player. Yeah
Okay, so we're looking for hero for BZM as the overall last pick. I don't think they'll swap the Shadowfiend to mid this time around
So what does he want to play against the Void spirit?
I mean most of the spirits are kind of banned.
But you don't really want to play Ember vs Nix and Largo. Like both of those heroes seem really annoying to deal with.
Invoker tanker, obviously those are the bonds from previous game.
Voker's okay. I think but Voker's a counter like Void counters Invoker. So it's kind of like you're picking into a counter pick matchup.
Okay, but it's busy. I'm so he might not care. Yeah
And obviously last game he played the Queen of Pain I
Could always I would not be surprised if I'm random like San King
I mean on an old patch
I would just pick monkey King here and shit on the voids beer if monkey King was a good
Whoo, they do switch
That's just fun
That's weird
Interesting pick against TA
There's like the technically it's good for the mid game with the armor, right?
Like you have this channel for us you have the war cry
So there's gonna be a plus like 30 armor every hero
So the tea doesn't really burst but like in a vacuum the carry match of one-to-one is like really bad for Sven
Yeah, it is his job is
He hits a hero what like four times five times
Kills a hero tea literally the first six hits take zero damage
So that and then what's tea do heavy physical damage with Sven hates getting out man fall
What if game one obviously Parker had a couple mess ups in the shadow fiends and maybe they
lost confidence and instead of having Parker play shadow fiends like BGM you're going to
play shadow fiends you're going to be the end of Beal and we'll get you a supporting
staff and spend is considered somewhat a supporting staff.
He has a stun, he has extra armor, do you want to cry?
I can largely get behind that idea like the idea of simply getting your stand in
his most comfortable hero, like Parker and Sven, to me.
This is like an iconic duo of the last year or two.
The guy is really, really good at it.
It is good against the other heroes,
bursting Phoenix, Nix, even Largo.
Like you want to burst these heroes.
And I guess against TA, they have Doom.
They have a hoodwing W to take the refraction off.
So it's not like there aren't answers.
It just requires them to play the game in a certain way,
which I guess they're okay with
if it means they get something that's more comfortable with.
Yeah, I still want to trust in the...
I'm gonna go for a roar draft.
I think the TA matchup looks like a really good TA game.
I think the shadowfiend in these games
is like sometimes hit or miss.
I think last game you played well.
I think this game, the mid-matchup is not as easy
and I don't think the Largo lane is as hard either.
So I think that roar is gonna be able to like cruise
a bit more and hopefully hit a short mid game.
Okay, let's find out.
It's split panel.
We like to see what's happening game number three with the cup and the cost
Thank you very much coming into game number three Aurora against tundra
We'll see who comes out on top
We've got K-Warey back on that Phoenix WS playing the Largo again a lot of repeats
But then we've got the TA and the Sven as the carry match up will cost how you feeling about these two or honestly the game in general
I think the sense job is going to be kill everything else and then they can deal with the Templar assassin
I think that's the idea. Doom is gonna be used on Templar Assassin. Their catch is really not that great.
It's Shadowfiend, it's Chen and Hoodwink. Hoodwink, if you're not like, initiating on the TA with Sven, it means you're not gonna be killing her.
They don't have any ways of like stopping Sven from going in. There are no BKD piercing abilities, so there's gonna be...
Got a lot of auras, Swords of Warcry is going to be pretty insane.
It is extra 14 armor, and then you have Chen with the Divine Favour.
Once that is maxed out, that's extra 20 armor.
A lot of, I would say, hidden impact, Void Spirit damage also is not the greatest
in terms of how much damage this hero can deal.
And I see a little bit of adjustment already coming up from Mikoto.
In the mid lane, what he has in his quick buy, a lot of the times it is
Urn of Shadows, just the brown boots, and then you go for Spirit Vessel. This time around,
he is going for Phase Boot. This is unconventional item on Void Spirit, but it does allow you to get
extra bit of move speed by like be more maneuverable, and also the armor component against Sven,
against Shadow Fiend. It's quite a lot of minus armor between these two,
but by armor I mean minus armor plus the heavy physical damage so he's already
Deciding that he's gonna need that throughout the game when we get to the mid game
It looks like Aurora is gonna have kind of this mobile vision with of course the mix assassin going into the vendetta
You have that long reach of the double astral step if you want to use it that way with an aether remnant
You know how our tundra
Supposed to deal with that kind of reach like their back lines aren't gonna be safe
But it's not like they've got these guys that are really sitting towards the back too much, right?
Doom's kind of in your face after he uses Doom's, Spanning SF for kind of in your face as well.
What's the game plan to go up against that reach that Aurora has?
They they're gonna have to group up. This is gonna be another aura draft.
You're gonna be like supports. They need to stay close to voracri so that you have extra bit of armor.
you don't get bursted by Dempura Assassin, do with his aura, we saw 33 in the previous one,
buying pretty much going to be buying the same items. I guess you are playing against a good
amount of magic damage, so pongo boots into Midas if he wants to, or straight into pipe,
depending how the game develops. And Chen is again going to be bringing extra auras this
time around. We'll see if he's going to be going for the same build, that seems like BZM
wants to go for. Mech from the mid lane so you will have the same idea, kind of same timing
when Sven hits his timing with like two three big items so his massive madness,
Ekrosaber, Blank, potentially a BKB, they're gonna be fight ready and this is gonna be
another potentially if they can get the ball rolling on the side of Thundra,
another relatively short game if they can get all like all these things combined together
and seeing the ways that they've been buying auras, I don't think you can really put that
much pressure that you can actually stop them from getting those auras as fast as possible.
So is there a specific window that Aurora are looking for if there's this high aggression
that can come from Tundra?
Their vision game is pretty strong.
You did mention Nix assassin with Vendetta, Void Spirit eventually will get Shard, which
is his farming tool where you can just place it in camps.
We have temporal assassin with trap, so...
Ooh, good body blocks, WS.
WS is in trouble, but the frog stomped.
Not sure that's gonna be enough
for where body blocks come out,
and Parker's got first blood.
Really good job there by Whitemon
to be using this Hellbear
to just get in front of this Largo
and make it so he's unable to leave.
He's played two games, he's won two games.
The Chen is look good for him,
and it continues to find success,
especially here top with the Sven.
Sven in general is not a strong laner by any means. At level 1 you're very strong because you have a stun, you're paired up with Chen.
So I don't think they managed to abuse that lane because your Largo, again, is losing the CS game.
You have one of the worst position force in the game in terms of the lane presence. That's Nix Assassin, so you have to pull the lane.
Which allows Sven to get a complete free farm. He's not going to get contested at all.
mid lane is kind of one I would say by default you are playing a ranged hero
you're playing shadow fiend into melee hero it's a bit different than the ember
spirit matchup but he is maxing out or not maxing out but he is putting points
in the simulade trying to get that extra bit of a damage to the creeps try to
get some farm keeping up with shadow fiend almost but shadow fiend does have
quite a lot of denies. We are stepping back to block that camp and he's
pulling this creep wave all the way around. He wants to give WS any opportunity. He kind of gets
informed in this lane since a 10 and 6 brings him a full wave. Bottom lane's been a bit of damage
back and forth but no kills just yet as Ari and Kaori play this match up again between the two of them.
Kaori all three games on this Phoenix.
He's the most played hero for a good reason.
He loves to play it, plays it really well, knows the ins and outs, and Ari as well, like
he's playing hoodwink.
He just enjoys the play dendro.
I think both of these players are kind of similar in regard to Ari definitely expanding
his hero pool ever since he joined Thundra, but the hero specialist, definitely a bit
of a hero specialist here with this hoodwink.
I'm just kind of keeping an eye on Phoenix and what the build is going to be there for him.
Because, okay, where he always seems to get his hands on some farm, and he's gone to the pipe previously, or he wants to wholly lock it.
He's very good at getting that farm and building something up which he really needs.
So I'll be keeping my eyes there, and we are kind of keeping our eyes on Tranks on 33 if they end up getting mistakenly held in check.
Let me blame K.O.R.I. comes over as we're getting closer to that 6 minute mark looking
for the power rune.
They're gonna go for BZM, they have the Icarus Dive right atop him, great body box, bush
whack, simile, BZM, one shot from dead K.O.R.I. gets the kill, and we'll be trading.
This is like watching the previous game as well.
They are focusing BZM quite heavily again, BZM doesn't get the XP before he dies,
He collects the XP last time. He got two kills out of it.
They know that Chen can't really TP Rotate. It's not a hero that can't do that.
It's more about him getting the farm in the jungle. Maybe get some stacks going for Sven on the other side of the map.
Stack multiple camps at the same time. And there's quite a lot of camps already in the jungle.
I'm just trying to give those stacks, get that gold going, and figure out when maybe
Parker needs to fall back into the jungle.
We get that 6 minute power rune timing, the next one that's usually up of course is that
7 minute shrine, we'll see if they dive for this, but the way that they're pressuring
up towards top it looks like Tundra are in a position where they might want to try
and swipe this shrine away from Aurora.
They'll have Mira coming back over, but he is only level 2, all he's got is
an impale and a spike carapace to really do anything with.
So, Leipmann's already setting up on this shrine.
They've brought over Ori, who is working with the back ends of an amplified damage that she loses.
Store of Hammer on 2.
Kaori shows up, push back, pulls him up out of the high ground.
BZM's making the rotation over.
I should do a stun.
Lands on to Parker, but BZM behind him.
They might get the kill on Kaori.
They take out Ori.
Parker might die first.
He ends up surviving with the raises by BZM to get the kill on Kaori.
Aether Redneck lands, catchy lick, that's gonna be a double kill for Makoto, and the Shrine's picked up by both V2 and Mira on both ends of the map.
Yeah, Doom couldn't fight him on that other side of the map, but I also like the Tundra that they are bringing in numbers, understanding that this Largo and Mixed Assassin are very weak as a lane, so they almost killed the tower with Shen.
CM is in a lot of trouble.
He avoids the frog stop and got the impale and the sunray.
Everybody's here to get another kill on a BZM.
And Makoto does finally finish off that urn.
What's going to be next here?
Do you expect just standard builds coming out from everybody,
or is there something that you're looking for
that might need to be a little bit different from either team
to really focus and maybe change it up to get an advantage?
advantage we'll see if he decides to go for like spirit vessel it's a very good
damage item on void spirit right gives you good stats which synergizes really
well with your innate ability you can pronounce that word for me please
Benjamin which one avoid spirits innate abilities oh boy oh intrinsic I got
I got this. Alright, we're good.
If you had to, like, simplify intrinsic, how would you, like, describe intrinsic, or use
it in a sentence.
What is this stuff?
Can I say T's?
Like, what am I doing over here?
Alright, you failed.
Yeah, I did.
I had to go take the A-C-T's for anybody who understands standardized testing in
the U.S.
That's why you're here.
You failed the test and you became a DotaCaster.
I kept it with the video games instead.
Mom, it's a real job!
I swear!
Yeah, vocabulary is not my defining vocabulary.
It's not my strong suit.
I think I can read a little bit.
WS, frog stomping, Tris trying to get some gold down.
He'll catch Lick himself to run away from Parker and Waiman who will put the pressure
on.
You're over in the area, but we've talked about how the laning is not great for
He's getting closer to that level 6. They didn't take full strides. 33, he's going to drop to Kaori.
He continues to be a nuisance on his Phoenix 2-2 and 2.
And the first item this time for Phoenix is going to be different than the last two.
Yeah, because he's playing a different facet. He's playing with the hotspot facet.
He wants to keep the distance. He wants to have that extra bit of damage as well.
So three Phoenix games, three different item builds, two different facets.
He only has two facets, unfortunately, not like some heroes.
heroes, but yeah you can see him knowing how the hero works and how to build them in different
situations.
BZM stopping that TP just a little bit late on making that rotation and trying to catch
BZM out of position.
BZM like you said is going Guardian Greaves, it's the standard build, but what do we see
from BZM, what's after the Guardian Greaves?
I mean you still want to get Yashakaya, you want to get Blink Dagger, BKB, they
They have no BKB piercing tools as well, so once you jump in, there's nothing that can
stop you from getting the Requiem.
Their Lockdown is very limited.
If they're Sven Stun, it is Bushwack from Hoodwig.
That's about it.
But they're five-man strong, or as like grouping up together is going to feel really nice.
Again, it's just that they didn't get the start, or similar stuff that they did get
in that second game.
No, they did not get two double kills in the top lane.
He got the first blood though.
Here up, he smoked, he's trying to make something happen.
Potentially kills Shadowfin one more time.
Again, focusing heavily onto BZM.
Mikoto does have double jump available.
Blocking this camp from being stacked, getting these ancients to no longer be stacked up.
And he also blocks that big camp right there, so that's nice for him.
And he'll then dead, and now he'll try to find something.
Maybe he could find 33 with a little bit of health.
He's gonna know exactly where he's at, and stick on him.
He doesn't have the damage himself, but if there is a plus one that can walk on over,
it's gonna be tough.
They've got the watch, or they have these towers, and it's not the easiest kills
to get, but sticking on him, just trying to keep that vision, and misses that stun.
Hot spot sunray, and that's gonna be potentially a kill of the 33, and the doom is thrown
out.
So it was there, they get the kill, who a Shwaksharp shooter that say did Mira, but they do take 33's life and K-Ori getting yet another kill will Icarus dive and TP away.
Trying to play these oras as much as possible.
He's in trouble, Frogstop only hits once, but Makoto's still here, the catch he lick doesn't let the Aether remnant, the lick and the remnant don't go together the way they want it, but it's not going to matter.
Makoto's got himself on a killing spree.
Way better game for WS.
Absolutely. He was really struggling, didn't have enough mana to cast his spells, and his
trinkles got cancelled so he stuck with trinkles. We are seeing that quite often. It's not as easy
as people think, even though these are professional esports athletes that we're seeing in action,
getting paid the money to play video games. Still happens. Much to their parents dismay.
They still don't believe them even when the checks come in.
Bushwack lands, and there's an Impale on a 2.
Miro does a good job of stopping these heroes from coming forward and commiting, at least at the start.
But they throw that Storm Hammer, they've got the Sharp Shooter, the damage is not going to be enough to get the kill on a Miro who's got that Vendetta going.
Desolator picked up on the Templar assassin, they've got the Acro Sabre on the Sven, but are these heroes going to commit from Tundra?
They still have the Vendetta going, and now with the Impale, well they get another kill.
BGM's caught, kind of forward, and BGM now needs to kind of retreat a little bit into the hands of White Mind.
He picks up the Guardian Greaves, and now has that Invis Rune, but there is a sentry down.
He'll look for the Requiem, stops that off, but Kodo kind of giving away the fact that they've got that vision there,
but doesn't waste the Requiem, and will back away from Makoto, who's the only one forward from Aurora at this point.
The lack of control is definitely showing on Tundra where they can't really kill a hero,
and then makes assassin being very annoying.
Even with one point in care of pace, with his scuttle facet, he gains haste.
Impossible, almost impossible to catch.
Good bushwack on the 2.
But still not really having the follow-up they need necessary initially to get any of these kills.
They wanted Makoto, he already dissimilated, Hickory's dive away, Impel ends out of 33.
Another repeat of this chase and just not enough catch to kill anybody
What did I say between 10 and 15 minutes? We might be seeing these fights where nobody dies
Yeah, it's funny because there's not enough control on one side you do have
Nick's assassin you have white spirit, but also he doesn't want to over commit
He doesn't want to be like going in with the double jump and not having a way out
Tough to get the I mean even with a two-man bush whack. It's just not nearly enough to get these kills
It's a bearing faster than the average seven minutes faster than the average
There's the smoke vented a combo
Try to catch somebody
They've got Makoto ready for the jump this is a combination. I alluded to earlier
When we were talking about what they can do to get to these heroes that are
Give them up. They've got the scan so they know exactly where
Parker is and they'll have the interest time the Sunray and there's the impale to say very dead Sven and these rotations just they're not
Quick enough they're gonna try to TP BZM over but by the time he's there
They're already dead on Sven and this is the kind of movements that I'm kind of expecting Aurora to make and on top of which now
Kind of delaying the aether lens. It's gonna be Phoenix picking up the shard instead
Yeah, it's a it's a lot of heel like you rarely see this one in action
Because other one just feels better in most of the situations
But if you can keep the distance even though he is playing against the doom the extra healing is still gonna come in handy
Onto everything that is not doomed and also extra bit of damage
So definitely should keep an eye on Phoenix's damage
In general like how he's doing because of this Sunray
Spike Carapace, now Wifehunt in trouble, Makodami the TP of the jump.
They look for the Raccoon, but it's Supernova to avoid him.
Here's the one who ends up dead.
Museum gets that kill.
Supernova's gonna go off, but it's not gonna stun up anybody.
Ends up being a one-for-one.
A lot of heroes here from the side of Aurora, all four that are still alive are in the vicinity.
And WS.
Well, he's got this axe, so he's double strumming.
but not going to commit a bit of a high ground and look for a fight just yet.
I was looking over at what Mira's got queued up, and it's a blink dagger.
Is that the item you really would want in a situation like this?
He's already looking forward with the vendetta. They've got the double jump.
They have a little bit of lockdown that way.
Is him getting the blink dagger the first time that you'd really be wanting?
I think what he wants to do is to have extra maneuverability.
say Sven jumps in pre-BKB, he can just stun him easily with Carapace, he can also be very
annoying against the Shadow theme when he's using Directquiem.
And also we saw the win probability 75% for Aurora compared to 25 on Dundra.
That's a lot.
High percentages here.
They're gonna try and commit for the tier one tower, TA is top, they're actually
TPing Aria up towards top.
They look for 33, the impale comes through and is in a very troublesome 33 position because
he's going to die first.
Bronzdom, BZM, and he is looking next on the list, B2 is going to have the damage to get
the kill.
He was able to TP over to mid, so this Templar assassin being able to make that move from
top to mid means they get three kills for their troubles.
They get a tower, and they get rushed probably, between immediately going into it.
They do see them.
They do have sentry and obbs.
Void Spirit did pick up his shard so he can be the one de-warding. His farm is also gonna increase
You drop that Remnant inside of the camp. It's gonna kill the camp over time
Problem is you're not picking up mad stones, but it is what it is
You can pick it up later
They definitely needs them. Their damage is pretty limited. Chen could wink
It's not like the most damage. Shenofin also needs a little bit more setup. Doom we haven't seen him used to
Other than once I believe so he continues to farm up. He is going for the same fell that's he did in the second game
King and
Sven and you know, they talked about it on the panel this one-to-one matchup against him in the TA. It's not good
Yeah, it's really not good and now they're falling further behind
behind. Is there an audible you can make here that helps you with this? I know you had said
earlier in the game, it's more maybe about taking out everybody around the TA, but is
that still viable in a situation like this? And Wipen now might be the one who's caught,
because it ended up being BCM. They get to kill out of this Chen. There's a sharpshooter
thrown out, there's just no follow up from Tundra. Wipen has been silent, very
silent on this chen usually like I would say that he is one of the best chen players out
there and there it is the combo no healing no spells which means that Parker can get the
damage in and he's getting actually very close to his vkb can disassemble his echo saber by
recipe in the next minute probably not gonna do it he just wants to continue to farm up
Because you already used the ulti means that they're not going to be taking the fight.
Still in an okay spot, like once the oras are online, 33 Hand of Midas now delivered,
so he's going to need a couple of extra minutes to go for his next item, probably again going
to be Pipe considering the amount of magical damage they do have.
This Sunray is shredding them apart, Nick's Assassin as well, Void Spirit, it's
It's all about that magical damage.
He's up to deal with, but 33 is going to try and form it up, get there.
And he also has greedy.
And this is the greediest you can get.
Greedy, hand of Midas, and Gluttony.
So you have two charges on devour.
Like four different things that you can get the gold from.
This is how Tundra has been playing, if you remember, back in the days
when they were playing like bounty hunters, getting the gold.
A lot of alchemists getting these hands of Midas as well.
Making sure that there are stacks of course, creating gold out of nothing.
Trying to get the gold back to even if they've done so.
This was a...
What, a 3k lead for Aurora at one point?
Now kind of shrinking down pretty quickly.
That includes the fact that V2N just got themselves the shard
off the Tourmenter which went to WS.
So he's got that Encore, something that he can use a little bit later on
if you look at what he's got queued up.
Got that Lincoln's queued up later in the game. That's equivalent to two Lincoln's pretty much. It's very good against doom
It's very good against this man getting that initial jump even though there is a way around it
If you're stunning someone who's standing close to him doom this time around 33 changing the item build picking up a blink
Dagger he wants to be the one who can actually positions himself
Do they have anything more than jumping the astral step the look for v2 first second
ECM's in some trouble, V2 even going into the back line.
Scott's agents, he doesn't have to be too scared.
So now Supernova with the Sunray wipe on on the run,
but the tier two tower is not safety.
A two with a double kill and now Parker sticking nearby.
So is Ari, but they get behind the gate and they get to safety.
You can see Parker thinking about potentially jumping in,
but then he sees, oh, it's a Templar assassin
and it's a Templar assassin with agents
so he can't really get that jump with a refraction.
It's like six instances, so it's impossible for him
to come in and deal the damage, but they're still
gotta be looking for something, knowing that there is no egg.
So broken, Ficoto.
The doom is on him and he is dead.
Territes, it seems.
They get the kill out of the Void spirit,
and we were trying to do a lot to get the help,
but Kaori doesn't have that supernova.
He's on the run, the storm haver connects,
but WS is there with catch.
He looked the pushback onto the shoot,
the sharpshooter, but the BKB as well
is the late game from Parker to try to get these kills.
Now who will go over here, the sharpshooter goes off
and doesn't land on anybody.
Vtune kits, Ari, and now they're gonna chase for more.
WS with a good amount of mana left, go for this chase,
and now there's the meld strike, the kill on a parker,
they look over at White Mod, and Vtune's starting to rip him apart!
Blink the impale, and another kill here
for this Templar Assassin!
Miro with that blink dagger catching up to the shed.
Dundra, they don't have the answer
for this Templar Assassin.
Even without Aegis, it was a good move,
and then overextending a little bit.
He lands a two-band bushwax,
puts everybody in a position where
kind of forces them to go because if he misses I think they would be okay and then they are
going to be able to reset the V2 comes in. When V2's performances have been looking very very
solid I gotta say. I almost want to give him a mulligan in the last game too right? Like
there's just no way to do anything in that last one. Medusa against Anti-Mage the way
that game started that was, I erased that from your memory V2's had a very good
tournament despite the record and what they're at and you know where they're it's
not perfect it doesn't need to be perfect but he has been playing close to it
yeah he has very low amount of bets in his games as well like that shadow fame
game that we talked about earlier that only had yesterday two deaths didn't die
for like good 35 minutes 33 and a lot of trouble fought against supernova
committed push flat sharp shooter using that spike care of his Parker don't
God's strength was used, no PKB for 2, so he doesn't even go in on this.
Maybe they'll look elsewhere, but who can you really go for?
WS is not an easy kill, V-Tune's impossible at this point in the game.
So, you just don't really have many options as the Sven.
Yeah, when he's gone in and fought, he's gone for Mira, he's gone for Kaori,
but if you don't immediately kill Kaori and he's got the Super Nova,
he just goes into that, maybe there's a turnaround that you're just not really ready for.
It's very difficult. Can we see the damage dealt overall by heroes? I feel like Phoenix's
damage is gonna be super high with this Sunray facet with the items that he did go for. And
he's also not afraid to use it. Like he's not afraid to go inside of the fight and
just drop that egg.
Bushwap. Easy end. The raise is the kill. Mira's gone but this may not be worth it.
all are healed, but all are not healed enough.
Whitemon's gonna be killed by V2 and he's wicked sick.
They got WS with the credit on the BCM,
and a 2 for 1 for an XSS and just does not equal out.
Every single time they engage, Chen just dies.
And it seems like there has been a talk
between Whitemon and 33 who wants to be buying once.
It was like he wants to be going for more of a scaling build
and it's gonna be Chen picking up the pipe instead.
And we can see the damage actually has
the highest damage in the game right now in that phoenix ekb but we'll get the
damage and he will TP out but you can see it getting a little bit risky are he
trying to get through the trees astral step to keep the vision of the
sharpshooter out of the low ground catch you look ws gets the kill are
he gonna fry there and it's cooked squirrel for dinner so far he's really
having a game top of the net worth
Jump in, two of you use WS, Pot alone, and that's another kill here for Tundra, this is
exactly what they need to do.
If they can find these heroes out, and have this combination, use this two-mall of cooldown,
I like what they've got going, but in these five-on-five engagements, it's still so tough.
It's really difficult.
They're fighting as a unit, they're fighting around the egg, if this Temporal Assassin
is dealing the damage, they're not going to feel too comfortable.
There's a chance that they also kill Templar Assassin, with the Doom, with the Sen's stun,
try to lock her down, because again, their lockdown is extremely limited, so it needs
to be them, I don't know if Sherefin, he's getting close to his Blink Dagger, so that's
gonna help out if they can maybe pull off a bit of a different combo now, with the
BCM, with the Sen's stun, so they can actually blow her up the DKB mirror again
on the hunt.
Looking for BCM.
The rest of the team isn't here though, it is just Mira that's going to be trying to get this kill.
They picked up a gem for Aurora, that was picked up by Kaori who's got a massive amount of farm.
And, you know, that's not including the fact that he was given a shard or anything like that.
As you see, BGM is filled by V2 with combo Mira and Makoto with a little bit of a addition there to actually get credit for that one.
But this is Kaori who bought his own shard who's buying his own you know
He wasn't like a tormenter give so his net worth is this high
It was not inflated by anything that he was given for free and this is something that we've seen Kaori do
That's all three games exactly like and different itemization as we said earlier going for Platinum producing game number one
Game you hold the lock it to give some extra mana to Medusa
Did it work out does everything fell apart relatively quickly in this third game?
He's completely owning and more than 18 out of 24 kill having the highest damage in the team
Is really doing a lot Kayori
Gonna continue to roll here, and I'll get this ages for the jump bar assassin round of a toast thrown down on the Makoto
Keeping himself safe with the aether remnant if anybody would have made the jump potentially Parker
If he didn't use that BKB before he did make that jump
There's an OBS here that might be able to help out as Mira walks over
but he's getting all this information for his team to jump, Makoto comes in, and now jumps down towards Ari,
he impales lands, and he's got some croaker help.
Ari ends up dead, the rest of the team has to bail immediately, they just cannot do anything to help out this hoodwink.
We're still yet to see Tundra like fighting five-man strong,
because so far Aurora did a very good job splitting him up every single time,
killing a hero before the fight starts.
Most of the time it is Chen just dying straight away.
So there's no heal, there's no divine favor, no extra armor. It is a lot of armor that you're missing on relatively short cooldown. It is 20 armor, 14 second cooldown.
And yep, Whisper of the Dread with Keyknight, so even more cast range, which means more damage, Whisper of the Dread of course means more damage as well.
It's gotta get ridiculous at one point. If they don't focus down this Phoenix, he's gonna own the fight.
I'm not sure how you do you have to kill him before the supernova which they've
showed they can do at times but there will come a point where I don't think
that's gonna be allowed to happen maybe there's an a on disk in the future for
K-Warii if he feels it necessary he doesn't want to get bursted by the
spin and then up and impaled they'll get the kill to Ari even on the high
ground of his tier three
God strength gets popped the Parker
He's gonna have to park himself on the edge of this lane because he can't find a way to jump in
You know avoid contact with this
He's big and the glimpse of him not having God strength
Don't just go bad. They'll definitely I mean they're gonna go anyway because they still have the ages
They have better Parker right now
They didn't show in the bottom lane. I think he knows you did not want to show that God strength
So he went to the side from the big camp instead
Got the creep wave
Problem is they have this banner still going so these creeps are gonna make sure that they can get the tier three tower
Now they're away from the banner, but the banner being in a position where you can break the high ground
Now they go for the set of racks and there's no Parker here. There's no god strength
Temple are assessing also pick up the short so maybe a trap gets a silence where they're gonna be
Expecting to have some sort of initial impact. They just don't because they end up being silenced and they can't make that move
Oh, Parker's been spotted by Mira.
He can easily start with Carapace as well if he's getting...
Oh!
Sentry, one shot, two shot, BKB, and now realizing it's time to go.
There's that A on disc for Mira, so he's going to have that survivability off the God
strength and with the Encore that Shard is giving to the Largo, he just picked
up that Lincoln's and now you effectively have two Lincoln's on your team.
Even though Nightfall is not here, he still lives with us, within the spirits, within the
BKB and TP combination, but yeah, that Lincoln's that you mentioned, and also a second Lincoln's
coming out for Void Spirit, gotta be very difficult for them to start a fight with Sven, having
only one way, that's Link's Storm Hammer, Doom as well, us have Purge, so potentially
that can purge off the Lincoln's, but he's down core.
Is there anybody else here?
V2 shows up, Elves Strike trying to kill off BZM.
Now has the silence, and Mira with blink forward gets the kill.
And now no shadow feed, and that's gonna be a doom onto that Nix's assassin.
This just feels like it's gonna be so much more free now that they've got no doom.
He tries to TP up, but me too, just there's too much damage.
Mira tried to die to Crokers.
Couldn't effectively get that off, and already's dead two, three, here it's gone.
Mira does everything that they need to make sure that they can successfully take this fight.
And with no Nix, it doesn't really matter.
You can still go up onto the high ground.
You've got the building damage.
you have the tools necessary to push yourself in.
And BCM is having a rough one.
Unable to do much, they haven't.
Like, they've been bound to lack of lockdown.
It's definite the showing and Mikoto, again,
with this Lincoln spirit, he can do whatever he wants.
Jumps in, right position for the team.
He's in so much trouble.
Look at this, how long it is.
GG.
That's it.
They call it.
They want out.
Aurora, take this series over.
Tundra, two to one.
This is such a dominant game for them in game number three.
And it has been continued performances like that,
that have really impressed me.
I mean, Fitsune, with the fact that he has kind of been away
from the scene a little bit in terms of the tier one scene,
he has really impressed me up to this point.
Yeah, this is definitely going to his resume,
saying that I can carry the game.
It's like, I can be the guy that you can rely on being
that carried that doesn't die.
And also WS dipping him in the end for a good reason.
You've got to lift his spirits,
being good like these are some big shoes to fail because you know you are replacing
nightfall and he's doing very very good and so does so is Aurora. Yeah that was
a really good game there from Aurora just a little bit of a V2'n up for him
and we'll send it over to the panel to hear what they have to say. Thank you
very much. I do love to see V2'n perform like this because this series
also proves that because in the previous series the reason that they got
here is V2'n was playing Shadow Fiend like several games and then Abaddon was
the only other hero he played and in this series he gets to play his life stealer
he gets to play his TA and he's shot while he also got to play with himself
we don't care about that one but he shows up and he does very well here gonna
yeah we kind of were saying this is a really good TA game like good matchups
good versus team good versus so then it kind of proved he didn't die a single
time I think it just it was one of those games that feels like TA does a
broken damage that you watch this game you're like why don't people should
every game because three hits and here yeah
Yeah, sometimes that's how it really feels on this hero
My boy wants to find a team. Holy shit. Like this was such an insane performance from him
Him and Mira were running around the map like killing everybody
It's you know, sometimes there's these TA games where you're playing against it
And you're running away and you feel like this motherfucker just has traps like everywhere
You know like some of these times they would run into traps that he had already pre-placed like way earlier
He was just on another level in this game, and I have to say for Tundra
SF is looking like a real problem for them
Yeah, because putting in mid doesn't really work Aurora put a lot of pressure on it on the mid lane
And you could see that they were focusing him in the fights between the TA and the Nyx assassin like understanding
He's a very squishy hero if you just focus and you don't let him get a good requiem off
He is kind of useless and like it leads to these just completely desperate scenarios
but
Parker also had issues with the asset rolls in the in the first game with the neutrals as well
Yeah, it's it's the second game in a row. I think the bees him got kind of
Collapsed on it. Yeah, he did right like this one the phoenix because I think it's a phoenix
I'm both times that just like how it was came on and made it like four minutes in he goes mid on Phoenix
I don't know I don't I didn't really like in the draft when they move the
Shroud of fiend to mid this game. Yeah last game. It's like, yeah, you have an anti-age like that is
Your hero of the entire draft, but I think that Sven is nowhere near as that kind of thing in this game
Compared to just I
Don't know just I think just put the Shroud of fiend safely and just pick some random mid for BZM
And you kind of play your style of Dota as opposed to this like
of greedier way. You could definitely see in this game why Aurora has enjoyed picking
Nick's Assassin for Mira in the last two months. This has been like, I would wager it's probably
his most picked hero in the last couple of months. And I love the build going for Blink
Dagger, Eon Disc, kind of just playing that hero that like, he will be the start of every fight.
You know, it's like he will be the first guy to run in. He's never going to die between
spiked carapace and eon disk and then also he was setting up a lot of kills around the map too.
And he had Largo Phoenix so there's there's gonna be a lot of heals coming anyway if the fight
lasts long enough. Yeah you just need somebody to like start the fight in and Largo Phoenix is like
all right we'll clean up TA we'll take her pick off yeah that was incredibly nice from Mero.
Yeah and then they had such a fast temple this game as well Aurora did and that led to a very
fast first Roshan this is the dream scenario by the way i mean not so much at the star where
you're losing the mid tower because you want to take Roshan between 15 and 20 minutes so it
respawns again on the top side and you get the second Roshan but setting up like this like understand
that okay tundra is like making a mistake here they're overplaying their hand ws had his
agatum scepter on lago which by the way he went solving tranquil's ag it's he like
Other than round boots, I feel like this is the most that you can rush this item
Which means they were able to fight and because they have a TA
Plus some other you know good heroes for healing and souling Roshan. They were able to
Take Roshan here and that was that was the grease timing too right for the Shaddafi
Yeah, so it's like
The way I see Shaddafi mid right now because I've been playing it a lot is I like the Greaves build
I think it's good
You have this like really really fast-paced timing and you get it you want a group
But then you see that like mid-move and who do we can pushing up top spends pushing out bot and then what is
What is the road to the oh, okay?
You guys want to send three here to the missile we're gonna be five right you take Roche
And so I think the other thing with the shadow fiend is they definitely did kind of miss the mark on their timings
Like they should have had five years there. They should have taken the fight
They should have won it but the second you kind of like lose these advantages now
You do have this grief on your shadow fiend and that looks a bit more awkward like oh this is not really doing too much
in that mistake
By the Roche pit at 17 minutes
Against a radiant lineup who is going to have the next Roche on spawning there
likely when it's on their side with a TA is like a
Big big mistake that it just results in an absolute snowball of the game
And it results in them being one and two in score overall meaning match point for them for possible elimination
where on the other side Aurora on match point for potentially advancing tomorrow to the playoffs.
It also means that the series has come to an end and we are moving on to the next one.
So we're going to take a quick break, but then it's Vici vs Navi.
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We got Navi versus Vici Gaming coming your way, born to win or to conquer.
That's going to be the question here.
Both teams are one on one right now in the score, so one team will be continuing on
tomorrow with a 2-1 score and the other one with a 1-2 score. Best of three between that. And we're
going to break it here down to see what's coming up. We got Jenkins and Gunnar to talk about it.
Gunnar, we're going to focus our attention on Navi first. Overall, first, how do we feel like
Navi has been looking and where would you slot them in to begin with? I think right now,
strength-wise, maybe I would give them like top eight energy. Okay. So it's like, I think
them getting through would be like good for them, I'm happy for them, but they need to get through
to kind of get the expectations I want. I think looking at their drafts, something I thought was
pretty interesting was in their series versus Tundra, they were picking Centaur kind of on this
like 16, 17, late in the second phase, and they were successful with it. They were doing good.
And then so the next series, part of it was like, let's just first phase the Centaur,
It's gonna own and then it really didn't kind of hit the same mark
And also the big thing that party did was they banned the warlock which they took all three games in the thunder series
So I think those are probably the big things you look at for the match today
It's a what is beat you gonna ban the warlock are they gonna care with the center because I think those are probably the two big
Heroes and the rest of the draft they kind of fit in the other thing
I know fog when he watches a Navi he always makes comments about Niku
I don't know if you know his take on that but Nika is a very like
Like polarizing mid?
Where in the same games, where sometimes he'll get solo killed mid, and then he'll end the
game with that to his only death, and he's like 20-1.
So I think a lot of Navi also rides on him, and I think that's why the supporting cast
of these utility heroes, the Centaur, Tanki's son, Warlock, heals him, drops the golems,
just teamfight utility.
I think a lot of it is to support this guy on the screen right here.
I mean, he also is one of the...
He has cooked some of the craziest picks of any tournament.
I didn't know it's like he was one of the first people I saw do grief storm
Yeah, yeah, he he has a fresh ideas, which I mean makes sense because he is a friend of fresh to the scene the youngest player
Yeah, yeah, so no longer the youngest
I love 16. Oh, yeah, okay the new prodigy bowl
Let's let's see if if Niku can can you know keep the the prodigy thrown the prodigy hat on because yeah
I do feel like his his builds are wacky and crazy and meta defining
He also was the first person to do boots of bearing viper mid
Boots of bearing bad writer mid and then people started playing these heroes off lane because they had to flex it and then they were like
Oh shit, it's pretty good. These are pretty good
And now this is the build on bad writer bad writer is first pick so he will invent some stuff
He plays an undying mid sometimes like even the case is like not many mids
At least in the protein plate like it's in pubs. Sometimes there's these random case bammers that just love the hero
Yeah, but he's one of the guys that's gonna still pick in mid when every other time we kind of see it's carry
Yeah, and then if we look at their opponents
Vici gaming has had the the same amount of games both teams have got a two and one and a two and oh and of course
Then five games to go off of how do we feel about how Vici game is looking here? I think they're
I want to say slightly below my expectations
I was hoping for them to maybe be too low going into today, but
gameplay wise I think they're kind of right around like on par XM has been
looking really good on the heroes that he kind of needs he's getting drafted I
think their drafts are fun to watch they have their own style which I always
really like and I always think that at these lands that's a really good thing
of your own style and if you notice there's a very there's a purple hero
that gets purple on my screen and it's not Kerry it is a support
faces wait every single game it's getting fixed basically in the same slot in the drafts every
single game they're currently two in one with it I thought something was interesting was specifically
the mid pairings with it when it's paired with the puck in the lush those are its two wins it's these
spell kind of low spell cooldown heroes magic damage it pairs really nice with the time zone
because you excited the cooldowns you can do it a lot but in the game they lost they had a
slaughter and slaughter it's sure you're going to press an extra w but is that the same as
Lush pressing all of the spells. Is it the same as Puck pressing all of its spells? Even just the cast point, I think
Matters a lot of times in because it casts the spells faster. So I think I'm assuming we're going to see it today
I don't think it will be banned. I think it'll be picked. I want them to give XMVs
kind of explosive heroes even I think shadow fiend is kind of a cool one if it ends up being there because
You make the old almost instantaneous if you go kaya yasha. Well, it leaves me with the question because in the previous
Series we had we obviously talked about kaori and his warlock and how previous
Well, he was playing warlock even though nobody else was and then eventually everybody started playing warlock
because obviously people saw him and the hero is like, oh, you know, I'm good
at what point
It's his face is void at some point because obviously this is an idea that beachy gaming heavily believes in you know
It's not a one-trick pony. It's a recurring
Style of play that they're going for at what point are other teams going to hear the writing on the wall
I would like to approach this situation like a philosopher, because I really believe that it's after watching so many faceless void 4 games, I feel like we're always covering VG.
I'm still not sure about it. It's very confusing. It's like the quantum hero because he's not pressing time zone in the games that we're seeing.
It's I sometimes he does listen. I agree with all the combos
I think the lesh the lesh void the gyro void like conceptually these are very cool things
But a lot of the time he does press it once or twice in a game
The enemy team is just running out of it. So I guess you could argue like okay
Well, you press this ability people have to disengage there's some value there and
It's I'm not sure about the time zone, but I will say his impact
Not using the time zone is still quite high like just the fact that time dilation is now applying one stack
Or it was something no matter what it's always doing something no matter what we're actually seeing him rotate to mid and secure
Roots and and so blood grenade they jump in blood grenade time dilation working
It's like we can friggin laugh all we want how goofy it looks
But then he's getting double kills out and he's kind of playing like a slarker monkey king like the nine-class
playstyle where you're running in, you're watching to carry farm, you're sneaking in, taking some of their last hits and stuff like that.
And clearly it's making a lot of space because I feel like Bok in pretty much all of the games is having a huge impact.
He's having really good lanes, he's getting a lot of farm through planet like creep cutting and stuff like that.
So this is why for me the verdict to still out because the time zone combos look really goofy and silly
and not really that useful in the games if I'm honest.
But then everything aside from that looks good and maybe it's just the threat of time zone
It's like if you do fight into them you won't win because of the
You know producing of the cooldowns and the cast points and stuff
I think for me for non-b g a further the other team because that's what you're asking
I think it's a best probably a solid B hero. Okay, it's definitely not s tier like it's not on that level
Yes, I think a
I
Think a tier has those like
Maybe closer to like the lions the shatter demons like the ones that fit the meta
But then it's definitely where it's like if you have a guy who's really good at the hero like a plant
I am that's where those B2 heroes are that they're there. They're a little more team-specific heroes
They get slaughtered and is like that second support or that second-phase here and if you look at when they're drafting it
They're picking it kind of in that late second phase a lot of the time
It's usually 16 17 which is like that perfect time to pick those here is because usually all the S2 heroes are banned
And the AT heroes are kind of getting limited and you might feel your specialties a little bit better
I would say the argument behind
Banning and not to focus so much on each other just such an interesting team, especially with this pick I
Would say that it's the other heroes that you're enabling to now pick with the faceless void
that are somewhat problematic for teams and
And like it changes the meta so much to be playing against the void not because of the void himself
But because of the other heroes that are now going to be empowered such as the the leshrac in the gyrocopter
So maybe to that degree you want to ban it out just so that way you can't be forced into this position where Vici is like
Hey, look look at me. You're playing my meta now, right?
Yeah
You don't want to be forced into that position so I could see the band coming out for that reason
But I do agree in general like this is a B tier hero pushing into a tier only if you're like
Exceptionally good at like maybe each of your planet specifically might be like this is a tier
Yeah, it's not gonna be as good in the traffic
We shouldn't value it as high as like the tree the shadow demon the warlock
But you know second those are bad the same those are picked. You still need a second. It's a it's a draft advantage
I would say in terms of a nest here. You're not running around picking this hero in pubs
Well, there is also here on the side of Navi that they have played and I don't think anybody else has and it had
They haven't won with it yesterday
But they did have a 17 minute game with it against the para vision is ancient operation that releases place
They got they got
It went the way of para vision, okay, and so did the one after that and I
That one in particular the first game wasn't against the Largo
But it was against the case and obviously case life seal a lot
Life seals a lot as well. Yeah game after that. It was against the Largo
Obviously didn't work out either since they got O2 and they had they had earth spirit
as well. Zayac has been one of the two four positions. Well actually nine classes playing it now because
because of you know partially this and Boxy playing the hero. That is actually quite a lot of
experience. That is quite a lot. People really don't like the hero as a four but it seems to me
like it's the people that like the hero are like come on. They're really looking for the
The changes have been pretty cool. It's like I saw
This build the top son the like blink a third. Have you seen no one from mid?
No, you basically play at least super far effectively you play like a Magnus
You blink in you kick a guy and you roll into your team and the cool thing about the kick is that?
If you bkb, it doesn't stop you from being moved
So it's like you kick a guy and if you bkb, he's still kind of like getting dragged into this is the build
So I think that's what these supports are doing. They're playing it as this effectively a Magnus
But in a sense, you can't miss the skewer and you have safe because now the pole has been buffed that you don't need a point
Or you don't need the shard to grab people with your silence. You can just grab people at all times. It's just like
Baked into the spell. So I think that a lot of it is going for this like aether lands
You're playing not really for this really high damage. I even saw there was a skill build
I don't know what the player was but he went I think 4 4 4 0 like he had all of his spells maxed and no points in the
Old so they're like completely playing for
Silence polls say like no damage. You just exist a utility hero
Well, we're gonna find out if we have it this game round
But it is also sometimes nice to see all as well in the world when the team that a second pick ban out the big four
Yeah, is the he's all of them just all one one one
You know why is taking the simplistic approach? I like I appreciate that the he does have to play again shadowed even now though
So there's that you're totally okay with that. I think
See this makes us feel like we're we did our job honestly. I did our research I
Feel like that build that you just said makes a lot of sense for the hero
I mean, I personally haven't been you know watching watching tops and it feels weird like especially from the mid-perspective
Yeah, cuz you're like, oh, isn't it better to go like the sheevas and going like this tanky build
She was BKB doing a bunch of burst magic damage, but I think with the support it kind of makes sense to just play off this kick
Because the problem with the hero playing it around the ult and like the core earth spirit is that you have to build so many
Items to be tanky enough to roll in and not die and to
Get enough rocks off over the long duration of a team fight where you're not dead and you can keep
the duration of your ult up so why not just say okay I'm not I'm not gonna
bother with that I'm just gonna kick somebody out and then roll out then
there's no threat to you to you getting killed and having that issue it's a
totally different place though I like it I mean even the cool thing is I think
that it funds increases the like grab range that you can kick people from
mm-hmm so you actually just kick them so far if you like blink behind me
kick them back towards your team it's like 500 range kind of wow so it's
a pretty interesting new tech right there it's cool i ever since i noticed that when you bkb
doesn't stop the movement it felt way stronger yeah that's that is crazy because a lot of the time
it's repositioning that matters more than like the being stunned once you've been repositioned
i'll be i'll be watching this replay closely i think well a lot of support's being banned the
faces oh no it's weird it's like you even have this hero that's gonna save from the
time sphere but even then you're like come on I don't want to play against the
shit I mean that that hero sucks the play versus our spirit all of your spells
are like four second cooldowns eight second cooldowns you want to just click
them like go go go and then this guy presses time dilation you just have to
sit there watch the fight there's Ursa for Vici Marci is Marci's in the pool
Yeah, I like that first Phoenix. Yeah, you're thinking about dealing with egg. Yeah
Maybe it doesn't have to be picked on 1415. They can probably just take some off-laner here
Yeah wait for 18 because the off-lane from from Navi could still crush you maybe like under lord or
Centaur or Mars Mars is in the pool. I think that's also acceptable. Oh man. Mars is still in the pool for Bach
You're kidding me. I think Mars is also nice because it's a deny pick like you're taking it away from the Phoenix
Yeah combo
And at the 16 17 to responses to Mars don't feel like crazy crazy. Maybe they'll pick a life stealer
Maybe they'll pick. Oh that here was in the pool. Okay
Beasts faster, but I don't know every time this hero kind of gets to the second phase
It's really scary because it's a triple flex. Yeah, it's a it's not only just like oh this hero can play carry
It can play off lane
It's probably what one of the best carries of the patch one of the best mids of the patch and okay off liner
I like yeah, I like it a lot, and I really like it with hoodwink as well because worst case scenario if you
Did have to throw the Beastmaster in the off lane. You are now dealing with a very powerful lane
I think it's not as best for all by any means. I actually I think this is worst
I think Kerry's like insane carry beast is like insanely broken mid-beast is a very broken
So you don't want to run it there, but this still leaves it open where it's like if you force us to do this
It's not gonna be good for you either
I think Navi something gives me a feeling of razor right now. I think they're gonna take razor. Oh, it is bent. Never mind
Well, they do need some cores they open with the two supports
Very there's very little disabled between these teams between these heroes. They do get the Mars. What about did you take him?
What about like Mars store of Mars gyro? Okay
I mean this just incentivized me to put the Beastmaster Terry more no? Yeah
Like you dodge the gyro lane you can pick a anti-gyro lane is not I don't know what I would say is like a super good and
Underlord is actually really good for gyro because he has such low damage. You just outlasted him a good pipe buyer good crimson buyer
Maybe you can get away with picking on 23 and picking XM0 if you want to take the
Viper can be okay for XM here or maybe the storm and they both look pretty decent
You prefer to pick it up here and then protect it with the bands?
I think it's better to take your mid here because Navi can miss a ban due to the fact that the
beast can flex to carry an offline, but if they take the say offline, I guess the beast
master can still go mid, but I feel like it's easier for Navi to hit the bands.
Generally when you have these flexes, you want to make the ban for the other team
harder.
I feel like there's pretty not great disable on the side of Navi, like something like a
storm spirit would be very solid.
Well, that's if Beast is going carry.
I'm not so sure if Shira wants to play Beast carry.
There he goes for the Marci carry.
Okay.
Okay, so probably mid Beast, almost certainly.
I mean, some people are going to say it's fine, they're going to cope and be like,
I can play beast first job, but yeah, I agree. I think they should
Just put the beasts in the middle and also because these mid doesn't really get counterpicked like I've played beast first house
I've seen it. It doesn't even go that bad
So these like really annoying heroes don't I feel that way a big quad. Yeah, yeah
Even that matchups not like terrible. Yeah, that matchups at worst. I think probably 45 55
It's not unplayable at any means and to be honest you get level 3 and Beastmaster mid you can jungle
If the hero is such an insane jungler, that's all you need.
So I am looking at the Underlord.
That's my number one for Vici, if not Underlord, maybe Tidehunter.
It's probably my number two.
And then when that gets banned by Navi, Centaur probably?
No, it's Centaur's banned.
I mean I want this like tanky hero who wants to buy a pipe is like basically all I envision for Vichy's last pick I
Guess there's a world they act
And they do the the pipe like 33 pipe build kind of thing
It's not super super popular this tournament, but I
Don't think the heroes really changed
I think we're going to have
a little bit of time.
We got one more bond. Let's see
if that tide hunter is removed
at this point.
Darkseer is not good against gyro.
The illusion is just not very good.
You know, if there were another patch,
I would say, like,
Estee Kunkka your email buyer against gyro. You can pipe throw the boat into the arena
It's just scuffed. I think I'd rather the axe on this patch
Oh, that would have that would have been a very good that yeah, so it'll probably be tight hunter. I
Think tides like the very simple answer you got here by pipe limbs good versus gyro
Sure gyro can max his cube
But I think especially when you have like the shadow even to kind of like buffer you yeah, you can not
So, should everyone have such a strong support because he does two things.
Either you disrupt the enemy carry and then you like gush him and you go on him and Gyro
can never win a trade in that because every time that happens it's like 50, 60% of his
health or he goes on you and then you just disrupt him and walk away.
Yeah.
Like there's not really a good scenario that Gyro wins in this matchup so I just like
the tide I think that is really good.
Timbersaw.
That I don't like as much to be honest.
That's a that's a very curious pick. Okay, so they do go for storm. I mean, so there's so little disable on the side
Yeah, I mean, I like novice draft a lot more. I think it's like way easier to execute. You have way more just magic damage burst
Sure
I think Bach is probably going to buy a pipe on timber because that was getting popular somewhat recently
But even with that, it's just I don't really like drafts that don't have
have like an easy to go stun people or like somebody walks in and starts to fight.
I mean, perhaps this is just too reductive thinking from my part. But I know people consider
like the two worst matchups in the game for timber and lane is is Ursa and gyro. Yeah,
like that's it's it doesn't feel good. Even the flak doesn't give you reactive armor
stacks. He's got afterburner. He's going to like run after you with his Q doing
a shitload of magic damage.
Like, Bok is not going to have a very good game here,
but maybe he thinks he's going to like soak up enough pressure
that Shiro and XM can have some free early games,
and maybe Shiro can go through the portal and rotate,
and then Bok is going to get the free lane.
Maybe it's something like that where the timings work out.
But I feel like Navi has a very easy to execute draft,
good leg game, a pretty free storm game.
Like, I'm sure they're really happy
with their draft so far.
No, I mean, the Storm is also, like you were saying, Storm is also good for Timbersaw.
Like, I like Viki's draft kind of in general, but I don't know, I think I give this one an all view.
Alright, let's see if Carpentier Duo also thinks that B-Cup, if the line above nothing is indeed as straight forward as my panel thinks it is.
I think it works out pretty well. What do you think would cost? Throw that off to you, back to you.
Back to me. It looks better. I want to see what the build on this Timbersaw is going to be.
whether this is going to be some like old school 33 type of a build blade mail into pipe to be able to soak up the damage.
I think this could be it, but there's a lot of tempo on VG.
If they're the ones controlling Roshan, anything can happen.
I'm looking at a long game here then become.
I think we could be.
I mean, if the piece is good, you've got what, Beastmaster and Marcy for the VG side.
I mean, they can run it pretty quickly.
if it's Navi that's doing pretty well.
I think this one goes 37 and a half minutes.
All right, that's.
What did you say, 27 and a half minutes?
37, 37.
37, 37 and a half.
What kind of issues do they need
to smoothen out, you think?
Which side, I mean?
Navi's got a good amount of time.
Give it to us straight.
All right, I'll give it to you straight.
It's here.
I think Navi's got a lot of good catch.
I think their reach is pretty good here with the storm.
They've got Mars that's gonna be able to blink and do a lot of work with your spirit
and eventually I feel as though Navi should be able to take the game.
But if the pace is too much and the Flanes go well,
I think Vici should be in a good spot.
What do you think will cost back to you?
I do agree with everything you said, except for 37 and a half minutes.
We'll have to see.
Overall, it is a very good storm game.
Mars as well, like to keep these heroes inside.
I want to see how much hero is going to be able to get with his Marcy.
It is a strong laner.
We've seen like good combinations.
He did play it once or twice.
Let me just double check that real quick because it looked pretty okay when he played.
He did play it against OG, which they did win.
And then that came against Team Liquid.
It the first game, it did look very good until they shut him down completely,
like playing into Razor, playing in some of these bad matchups.
In this one, in theory, he should not be struggling, it's the explosive damage, it's the gap-closing hero.
This is something that Gyarocopter doesn't like to play into, has a repositioning tool as well.
But there's also a bit of a repositioning tool as well coming out from Mars.
And also Earthshred. Earthshred has been buffed, I see it more and more in pubs as well, where people are playing as a position 4,
going for the saving build with the blink dagger, ether lens, Yulceptors.
They are just being very annoying
They'll have to be able to catch him and they do have
Some good catch here for Vici. I'd say good catch and save the bushwacked is
Corruption there for the Shadow Demon and maybe the roar to work with rebound of course and dispose
So a lot of options there for Vici a lot that can get right in your face, right?
If Navi aren't too careful a timber chain on top of them
and then you've got the Beastmaster Roar if he's going into the Blink Dagger or anything like that,
but of course with Marcy these days you are going to be picking me up fast and so you'll bring in a
second here. Spear away, roll in, wise in some trouble, but not gonna get hit up too hard where
he's able to survive and pop that salve. I feel like both these teams do have a lot of tools
at their disposal. It's just gonna come down to somewhat the execution. So that's right
on top of why. And then we'll immediately take care of that sentry. Overall, this bottom
lane, other than that first split, seems pretty quiet for the time being. The roll-in and
the spear, a little bit of miscommunication, I would say, on wanting to get the roll
and maybe the spear afterwards.
It's like panel talked about this being the easy to execute type of a line up.
Interior, yes, but also you have skill shots if you misuse the spear,
if your roles are not connecting, your sun rays not dealing the damage
you're missing out on the fire spirit.
There's a lot of these abilities that are not like I click on a hero
and it does stuff, so you need to be aware of how you're going to be using it.
I see that Bach does have Ring of Held, it is a quick play that he can turn later into many different things.
You are playing against Jarocopter, so that can also be just casual Vanguard for now.
Or you can turn that into Veil of Discord later on if you don't want to be going for Vanguard
slash Crimson Guard because you are playing against Jarrow.
But I do think that buying Auras in this game should be very good.
Getting crimson getting bite. I also mentioned the blade mail if he wants to go that route
I think that'd be really okay because you have so much uncontrollable damage and
Later on maybe she was if the game goes late, but yeah
I think they're not gonna be lacking any kind of damage piece master could definitely go for she was from the mid lane
But you have good scaling like we've seen these masters kind of solo take over the game
If they're off to a good start and you're playing against store spirit who does have
Demo CS at the moment but Beastmaster he is catching up especially if they
decide to rotate the Nekus lane pre-level six they could definitely grab a kill.
Speaking of builds I'm kind of curious to see what British Ghosts were based off
just that last series right where Kaori was going into three different builds
on the Phoenix and one of which being of course going for those said Auras
you've got Mars on the team are you gonna be going for the Auras on Mars
you're gonna be going for it on this Phoenix what do you really want
to accomplish here with this Navi build potentially, and speaking of mid, now Nipu's in some trouble
over in this lane.
Xayah comes over to help out, they had the disruption, they also had hoodwink there, but they're
unable to get this kill on the mid-store.
No bushwack, which means that they're unable to get anything done.
Some damage is going to be dealt to the tower, Xayah's now trying to play aggressive
onto Y.
How much that one can do? He does have a disruption in a second.
Might be able to at least pick up the bounty, and it doesn't look as those I-Outs can be able to go for more.
He'll order up a blood grenade and a salve, get back to a decent amount of health, but for the time being it's just been sheer a PMA 1v1 over in the bottom lane,
which is not too bad for the Marcio overall, who's third on this list in CS.
in CS. PMA used a lot of mana. He just used 200 mana to deny the money creep and also stopped
him from playing aggressive. So if he doesn't have much mana to work with until he gets the
Soul Ring, that'll be flying out and he'll be grabbing onto that. Shadow Demon does come
back over, but this is just a loud, really earth spirit to be out of the lane. PMA
having it solo feels really good when you can just give your offlaner that dedicated farm
and giving that dedicated time to just take over the lane.
So that's only level 2, so he does need that solo experience to try and catch up a little
bit.
But they pushed Storm out, but he's not even here to go up against that XM at all.
They'll bring this hoodwink back over, try to maybe get a kill, Storm TP's back
in and it's gonna be around that six minute mark where you're looking for that first power rune
but XM's got roar you got to be very careful if you're this storm spirit of course you've got
six of the ball lightning you can move around the map pretty well but that will be the amplify
damage picked up by the xayats and that won't end up being a power rune for Vici who were kind
of controlling the lane up to that point. They want to get XM off to a good start.
Ah, there was, uh, wasn't there like a stat a couple of months ago when he was still playing
for Extreme Gaming, that when he doesn't die, or was that, no, that was actually for NTS,
I believe.
I think he doesn't die in the first, like, six minutes, they have 95, 98% chance to win
a game.
PMA bottom lane, by the way, getting some of the shadow-coised stacks on him.
Can they wind it up? Can they get him another time? Maybe a fourth? It's not enough damage.
Shiro was looking. They're still trying to find this last Shadow Poison, but now the rebounds to kill.
Shiro finally finds PMA, and that's going to be a big opening for them bottom.
There's nobody here. They could invade the shrine.
Planet's trying to stick with it. XM's coming through with the help of Boxo.
Zad's trying to get a kill on a planet, but he just won't find it.
as a neutral creep will get the kill instead and why is he going to get the other shrine so
both shrines go in the way of each. They're putting the pressure on pretty early and
very good start. Like this is the tower of Marseille. You do get that relatively early,
help of the dominator allows you to play super aggressive. You do play with that
six minute catapult allows you because they got the kill. It allowed them to kill the
tower which opens up the map a lot. Like this is not something that as an off laner you
you want to have, especially this early on.
Roll on the box, rocket barrage, box taking a lot of damage here, and he looks pretty dead.
Pretty he's going to get the credit for that kill.
Too much damage from that rocket barrage.
Got the juice, sipping up some damage there, and XM just continuing to work mid, nothing
really pressuring him at all.
The real winner is truly Shiro and they might just get a kill and he can use that no matter left.
Future creeps get another kill!
They're not too happy about this one. No gold for them.
At least they are invading like this.
Opened up the map quite a lot.
Mid lane is also very low so they can play around that.
There is haste available on Beastmaster so they should rotate the heroes,
but they should rotate Shiro as well with the dominated creep
to make sure that they can kill this tower.
It's a weird feeling when the neutrals have more kills than you do though on your team.
Two for Vici, two for the neutrals, one for Navi.
Maybe they can get more soon to be on a killing spree for the neutrals.
But Shiro's got this early helm, no surprise that's standard for these Marci's that are in the one position.
Or really the core role in PMA.
Still trying to get more out of the lane, and you can see he is ahead of Ock, but pretty much even in terms of offlaners.
What's the idea here for Mars? Is it a blink build? Are you looking for something else from him, knowing that you've got maybe a little bit more reach with Storm and Earth Spirit?
I'd say blink dagger, because you want to be playing with both of them. Like you want to be setting things up for the team.
The good thing is, whenever you play Mars, is when you don't have to be the solo initiator of the team.
When everybody's relying on you to land the arena, start with the spear arena, it kind of feels really bad.
But if you have somebody else to just go in, maybe create a little bit of a chaos which allows you to go in second, that's really good for Mars.
So it's just not like create chaos, I mean try to make them go on you and Stormsword is the perfect hero for that.
Alright, arena commited, hero. Got the juice to make it to the CP. The spear's gonna be towards the end of that arena.
They got the roll of the call down coming through.
Marci, nowhere to go. Shiro, top net worth, hero being taken out by Got the Juice.
And he's gonna be taking that top spot in doing so. Let me even it up two to two to the neutrals too.
And this is
Gyrocopter having a really good start. Both these carries are having a good time.
I mean there wasn't really much to stop gyro or marci in the lanes that they went for and
A lot of the movements have been away from these safe lanes
In about that 10 and a half minute mark, this has been both teams for the most part content with just getting farmed
And why not right? Yeah, we haven't talked too much about beast master
He's been farming almost on top of the network. The serial farms extremely fast haven't been involved in a kill yet
but XM still got to have a good timing on that agonim scepter needs two more
components and then it does open up Roche with Marcy especially you can bring
like one aura you have explosive damage coming up from Marcy and seems like
there's gonna be a twin gate rotation they want to be going potentially for
this tower maybe finding the enemy carry but he is not farming in that
There he is, he's just steeping in.
They might catch him, and he might be in a bad spot.
He wants to go for Baki, he's throwing some flat cannons on him.
They know Baki's where he's at.
So Plinus is going to come over, this Bushwax is going to land.
Go rebound forward on the leash and get the kill, and it got the juice.
So just the way that got the juice, got shiro, got the juice, got up top.
And that should be the tower.
They are having numbers in that area.
And also I did mention that Bok is super tanky. He has 2000 HP on Timbersaw.
Vanguard, Powertread, Sol Ring, all these like small stat items has Polywog Charm and we'll be going for these auras as we were talking about because
it does make a lot of sense. Most of the damage that they do have is magical. Get the pipe first, even though Vanguard is like in-between,
which he's gonna turn into Crimson later.
They're gonna hit a pretty strong timing with this Beastmaster Ag's BKB on Marcy and potentially
Pipe being finished among Timbersaw.
Gonna be some time till that pipe, I'm looking over.
Mars is gonna go for that blink that you were talking about. Blink BKB.
Yeah, I think it's necessary.
There are abilities that go through debuff immunity,
but he also wants to play with the heroes, with the boat spirits.
He wants to jump in, make sure that they get the good jump.
They can choose the target that they can go for.
Of course, Mars is being maneuverable, so it's Timbersaw.
And then you can go in, lock onto a target, and try to kill it.
And he's also having mind playing with Victory Feast Facet.
So Shadow Demon could potentially get saves inside of the arena,
but I do prefer this Victory Facet overall better.
It gives you the heal, it gives you the damage, whereas inside of the arena...
With Phoenix behind you as well, potentially Sunray,
and you get that extra bit of a burst of a heal,
allows you to get extra damage, maybe you get another kill inside of the arena.
Just feels really good.
Other Phoenix that's gone hotspot too. Yep. Not that dying light.
Which has made me curious about what Phoenix is going to eventually queue up.
As we saw in the last one, that hotspot with the Aether lens was the call.
And by the end of that game, Sunray was across the entirety of the screen.
I mean that's how far away you can really make that impact as a Phoenix.
But this Phoenix not really having similar priority, I would say.
No, definitely not.
At all.
There's definitely a difference.
He already was the one who was really pushing the limits,
going for always the extra wave.
He was getting some priority in farm.
And he definitely delivered in the previous series
the way he played.
A lot of the times you will see Phoenix just left alone
in the lane, because this is the hero that is difficult
to kill.
There's a good turnaround potential.
If you rotate one more hero, they
have very good heroes to rotate.
They have very good protection for the egg as well.
You have Mars.
You have Earth Spirit.
Even Storm Spirit, who can close the gap, come in quickly,
maybe get a pull, the egg goes off, and then the fight is kinda over.
So for now, Navi continues to farm up, they're waiting for their Blink Dagger on Mars,
they are waiting for...
Like, Jarocopter doesn't need, like, he never waits for one item, he will always join.
This is a very active carry, building into all of these smaller items, like Dragonlands.
You are getting Mantis Talvus, it's a bit of a newer build as well.
XM?
XM, he's under the Sentry, but...
Yeah, get a fight anyway.
They've got the roar, they have the axe, they'll get the kill, they'll take the life, they've got the juice,
and he was kind of sitting there stationary and gets picked off.
It's the second time they've caught the juice in this area, they may have moved me over once that axe was picked up by the Beastmaster.
But now with that being said, it might be time for Navi to want to make a move.
They've got the blink dagger on Mars, so when everybody's back up, they might smoke and try to go,
but they've got to have the vision down to get the information to make a move like that.
We'll see what they plan to do next.
But XM, he's at a solid start, and it's opening up the game for Shiro quite a bit, who's sitting top of the net worth.
He was close, got the juice, when he got the gank over bottom on Shiro, he had taken over that top net worth spot, but you can see it here.
Gyro's not exactly having the most fun, he shows up back top, and he might just die again.
Mars is here with the original as well as the spear, XM's gonna be in a lot of trouble this Sunday.
Something's on Hillbock! It's a kill! PMA's got two!
So got the juice, he's got some help!
And man, they're gonna put the straw in the juice box and sip on tight
as they get three kills here for the side and on V.
That's why I love this passive.
It allows you to get that extra burst of a heal.
Even though Sunray was only level one, maybe level two in that one,
it's just insane amount of heals.
All these smaller things, they're starting to add up.
Suddenly, you get like 200, 250 HP, and then you get another kill.
you get the extra bit of the damage.
Nicely done by Navi.
A would though he was close.
S.A. lost that gyrocopter.
Ha ha ha!
That would be not kinda even,
but I think Major Gaming would be okay
with this type of a trade.
Trying to get in on Erdys and Acres dive,
but not out of the range of Shiro.
Who uses that on Leesh,
closing in on the BKB that he needs.
Beastmaster of course wants the blink
to have that initiation with the roar.
Storm has been given some space
Second on the net worth kind of signs for him, but XM knows the style with shiro as well as innocence to go for Roche
But do they let this go for free? They're gonna go for us. They've got the drums of song
But this is just a long-range initiating team that can make this so difficult
I have to find the angle similar to a clockwork. He's just looking to find that spot that he can get in with
Off of his manifold already gone
Bokk is standing forward, they never make that move in, and it's in ages for XM.
Navi, they looked, but they never went in, they stayed behind the glass, and there's
only a sight to see.
Bokk, lower attack is pulling him into the spear that gets thrown over to the tree,
the rolling boulder hits, and they will get the kill onto Bokk.
Art tanky, but you're not, the whole squad is hitting you type of tanky, at least
before the pipe.
that pipe ready, maybe he gets it off, he gets the magic wand, gets another timber chain,
would be able to connect potential with the rest of the team.
Navi, having the lead in this game now, finally.
Now taking over a little bit, but this is the item timing that they wanted for Vici.
I mean usually what you want when you feel like you can kinda get heavily involved for Marci, right?
Is that BKB?
So can you find your moments to get in?
We'll find out right now.
Pulling PMA a little bit further from Shiro though.
Xayats is here to help.
Shiro's in with the Unleashed.
Riddies is nearby.
They're still thinking about going in,
and they're going to rebound right on top of two heroes.
BKB gets popped.
PMA's in trouble.
He'll end up dying first at XMs here with the roar.
The roar pushing Riddies back into the hands
of the other heroes.
And now Xayats is dead to Shiro.
Double kill for the Marci.
It is just kills and packs for both teams back and forth.
Mars, he was stalling with them. His Blink Dagger was ready the whole time, but he was a bit slow.
Was not expecting that jump, I guess, for Marsy. Could have blinked away.
Had Arena. Also didn't want to pop it, so it's like they were maybe trying to get some bait going.
TP rotates to their tier 2 tower if Jarocopter wanted to come, but actually got the juice.
TP was in cooldown, so he couldn't come and participate in that fight.
Taking advantage of his Vici. They'll also take the Tri-Gold and continue to steal some of this farm away from Navi.
Continuing to just get kills like this, and now it's Shiro looking aggs, man.
He has gotten the space, he has had that 10,000, almost 11,000 net worth spot, he feels almost
complete.
Bok, again to the top lane though, re-inplaced, and Bok, tank-ish, running away, why is
already dead, but he's set it whole team tanky, is he?
Not by himself, but now he's got some help.
As Beastmaster showed up for a second, so they don't give chase, XM.
He's got this Aegis for another two and a half minutes.
They won't be initiating him.
No arena, no cooldown.
It's gonna be smoke time.
XM has Aegis, has Rage Rune in the bottle.
Let's see what they can find.
They still haven't managed to kill this tower.
This is like 20 minutes we're talking about,
even though they brought the numbers a couple of times.
XM, can find the opening, couldn't find that problem or roar.
Maybe Planet can find the bushwhack, maybe they can follow this up, XM throwing these axes, thinking about jumping in but they won't come in and he'll just be able to escape.
That's the tier one tower though.
They finally picked up the pipe on Bok Chil.
That's a big one. Instead of chasing, maybe getting a kill, they are very close by. They can definitely take that Tormentor. They need the damage from either XM or Shiro.
Okay, we're in Na'Vi here on the odds up top, now Tornager, who's gonna get this Shard?
Let's see, who grabs it, it will be... why?
The Monoclan, like both of the Shards are really, really good, these are the Shards,
at least in Hoodwink, you wanna buy the Monoclan, do you wanna get something before?
But good ways of like extra bit of a heal, and also dispelling some of the things.
They're in a really good spot.
Bok, he did die three times, doesn't have a single kill to his name ideally.
You would want to have your Crimson Guard here.
It's still gonna be a good timing.
Like he's still gonna have it in the next few minutes.
Anything you want to see specific from him after those two items?
I think they will have the talk with Deesmaster what he wants to buy.
Whether he wants to go for a fresher or if he wants to go for Sheeva's.
And if he doesn't then he will pick it up. If not then he will probably try to deal a slightly more damage
Maybe I get some Kai'san to try to tank up. Does he's having some mana issues as well?
Rebound sharpshooter and a kill on his ass. Also picking up the shrine for Shiro
It's always nice when you can get a plus one and the opponent shrine I
Look over at Earth Spirit who just got this blink dagger
And he's got that long range with the rolling boulder, but now he's got blinked for even more mobility
Do you like the blinked tagger? Would you like to see something else for this hero?
You know, maybe see a vessel or something. There's or anything else you would have liked
I think it's a different
Hero right now, especially because Geomagnetic Rip can be used on allies as a
a saving tool so you can close the gap with the blinkback or you can keep the
distance and then play off with that which I'm totally fine with and he also
has tumblr story he has a greedy tumblr story allows him to get some farm
doesn't necessarily need to show on the map still getting the gold. BKB
completed on PMA that's the that's the big one even though they have like
two BKB piercing abilities you have demonic purge you have these
master's roar, it's still gonna come in handy. The damage like between gyrocopter
storm, like even this sunray from behind with the hotspot, you should be able to
get the kill in the arena, get the extra damage, get the heal and the reason why
I keep talking about this facet on Mars, the victory feast facet, is it scales.
Like Bloodsport doesn't really scale in terms of it gets better over time.
It does with the duration of the arena, but this one is tied to max HP your own max HP and those game progresses
You will have more HP. They got the shadow demon and we'll get that kill. He breaks that smoke initially bush Whack lands out of the Mars
Reap up from the side of beachy thinking about going in on this sharpshooter being charged up
And that will land on the PMA box timber chain all the way across BKB is gonna be popped
Geomagnetic grip to pull PMA up out of the high ground, but he walks back down to get about going in anyway.
This BKB runs out, he doesn't really have many options anymore, and he just has to get out of dodge.
That's what they wanted to get.
Force that BKB, he was very patient with it.
What?
He's still searching.
And he's got the vision, but doesn't quite get the damage before the blink away.
Ooh, maybe he could have started with Road of AtoS.
I'm not close of a distance it might have ended up working out but instead it is faster than bushwhack
Are she now with the agathem scepter as well?
That's gonna give her more control and she's very tanky as a hero just these items sitting at 3,000 HP
Defined shell synergies is really well with her toolkit with her pick me up facet for you get the unleash
Smoke by my pick me up facet unleash. It's the old facet. It doesn't work anymore
It was called something different, and now Xayah's in the bottom lane, let's see if they can catch him.
If that Niku Roar is used and they've got the Runaway Toast, they'll have the Bushwack combination
up, getting that kill, and then the rebound over, looking to grab themselves into the killin' riddies,
and that's gonna be two, for the side of Vici.
Unstoppable for Shiro, despite the fact that they were able to kill him before the bottom lane a little while back,
he's just been on a... on a big roll here.
PMA getting saved again by this Earth spirit and PMA able to get out thanks to the help of the geomagnetic group again
We're still yet to see a fight where Navi is bringing everybody to the fight when they're using the arena
Using magnetize and then just fighting with gyrocopter, but still yet to see it
So without the gyro being seen 65%
What is this? What are these numbers? 65 for Na'Vi?
Well they're known as percentages. That's the kind of numbers they are.
I don't know, but they do seem wrong because I do favor Veche gaming pretty heavily,
because they are the ones controlling pretty much everything.
And again, we still haven't seen Na'Vi fighting five-man strong, but these items that are coming out,
Two Auras on Timbersaw. Going for the item that we talked about, Kaya Sanj allows him to get
like more mana. He is struggling with some mana, but Shira is the one popping off, allowing him to
go for the solo pick-offs with Diagonum Scepter, having that extra bit of a control, coming out
from that silence. I'll also seem to just be on top of Phoenix, not having to be afraid
that he gets away with a dive or anything like that.
So Bok has had the discussion. He's not going to shoot us yet. He's going Kaia Sange.
It's gonna be Beastmaster. That's gonna be Beastmaster, meaning that Beastmaster's going where that she was going.
Which is something that you kind of expected that it was gonna be Beastmaster anyway.
Now Shiro goes in on a PMA. Sharp shooter, disposed, but not the damage needed to get the kill.
As there was a rotation coming in from the Storm Spirit but just poking away.
This is though Storm's doing the same. He's going Sheep's Guard and that will be next for everybody.
Is that what you'd like to see from Storm?
I think it's necessary. You are playing against Timbersaw, Beastmaster.
You want to be stopping that healing, provide vision for the rest of the team
so that Jarocopter can deal damage with the Flakken and allows you to get a better jump in the fight.
Got the juice. They're ready to fight.
They're just straight up almost dead.
They're standing by Xionts again?
That was the great pulling them out of Hark's way.
They're going to put a pot of the Egrist type over. They're going to lose Xionts.
But now, Magnetai is doing its work.
DKB's been popped by Shiro. He'll jump away with a rebound.
They'll pick me up. XM turns on a Niku first second.
He's got the help of Ock. Not a lot about that.
The last tier on the Stormsphere. They're going to need some more health
for Staff getting them back towards the Tier 2 tower.
Got the juices low, but they all get behind the Tier 2 tower.
And we'll be able to escape what was coming from Vici.
a very good save again from Zyots and that is gonna make sure that this Gyro survives.
That's why you're going for these items. That's why you're not picking up, you know, the old-school build, going for the Spirit Vessel.
You're more used as a saving tool, but you can also deal damage. It can be very annoying.
This time around Vigigaming, they didn't bring the numbers. Baka was missing, so they didn't have these two auras immediately.
I think the fight's gonna be completed. Their friend mitigating the damage from the Black Cannon is gonna be pretty big.
Pretty big, Roshan.
They haven't hit the respawn just now.
It is up, and they are TPing over.
They are underneath the vision.
Oh, it's Observer Ward.
Even though they have Sentry, it seems like they can't see this ops.
There they go.
They found it now, fall down to Zeke, he's got himself the vortex that's going to be pulling in the Marci.
He'd be up out of a pit!
Now come to Juice High's the way to get the Aegis!
They snatch it up and get the Aegis!
It's there for the Gyro!
He picked himself up out of the pit box now between four heroes. Oh, no, not to pitch me up
The roll is ready, but they haven't used they're ready for beat to beat the recent another end shiro
Who's he got BKB they get the gun and he grew very quickly got the juice gonna be out of the arena
But XM is gonna be the one surviving for now
But it's a dying just in the end of ready something the inside the hands of the gyro
But this is Shiro going after the Mars.
Does he have the damage?
Can he take down the Gladiator?
Yes, he did!
Look at that.
Look at Syos!
Bob gets the kill there!
Out of the Earth spirit!
It's Godlike for Shiro!
Still fighting back out of the gyro!
Got the juice.
Reddy's the only two left on the side of Navi.
The Timber Chain forward.
Can they find anybody else?
Chakram's twisting, turning, and looking, but they go to the Supernova and they
won't be able to pop the egg.
It's just Bob here!
So surviving on the Phoenix got the juice.
as soon as that Aegis immediately, but survives overall.
Man, that fight, how much damage was that from Marcy?
Almost 8,000 damage coming out.
She had a salvage to fight after what happened in the Rose Fit,
would defeat me up.
Now they're going to have Daedalus as well for the next one,
taking away the Aegis and also managing to salvage that fight,
but they are extremely tanky on their side.
Having that extra bit of a heal, Beastmaster is very, very annoying.
He also did pick up the Orcid, which Storm doesn't have any response to.
He doesn't have any ways of dispelling that.
Orcid, the extra silence, and this is tough for Navi.
I feel like they were the benefits of a little wonder there, but can they make anything work with it?
Because the net worth isn't that bad.
It's not like they're behind a lot, but you can see each of the ones really controlling a lot of the tempo of the game.
And now got the juice and nuclear together, they'll find this sentry, they'll take out the obsidian, know they got the juices right there and instead of going for it they'll pick up innocence and leave that area.
A lot of heroes are there based on the information that they were able to gather off that ward initially.
But now maybe go back in with four heroes around.
What do you think is next for Bach?
set right now but with the game he's having. What would you like from this
tipper? Maybe something like a Hicks could do. Right now they have like limited
amount of control. It definitely could work out. He's like extremely tanky. He's
he I don't think he can die right now. Those three deaths that he had early on
I don't think he died for the good like 20 plus minutes now. I also want
be seeing it like right now sure is going for a bachelor which is fine I want to
see what the next item for him is going to be I think going for an item like a
refresher that gives him a double vkb and double ulti because you have enough
mana pool you don't use pretty much mana you have like what rebound or
all these hundred and fifty mana for a 50 it's more about the refresher and
then getting the second round of items so the stats definitely is there you
You would need to replace your XM, it's a solo kill.
How do you get away from XM, right?
You just roar, orchid.
There's no way to roll away.
Yeah, Chimbersaw hasn't died since he got 16 minutes into the game.
Yeah, the roar kit combo is too strong.
It really is.
More checks.
A lot of A2s comes through, Neku, not a lot of them already.
Need to be very careful, Baka, like you said, feels pretty unkillable.
Continue to conduct himself in a way that he can stay forward on Navi and make sure that
they really don't have a response as long as he's in front of the Marseille.
I would say that the fight's definitely benefitted the side of VG overall.
Get that special delivery, they've got that basher, everything coming through for Shiro.
They've got this gem, they'll take away a lot of the vision that Navi have around the
map and just kind of shrink it overall.
What can Navi do?
It's tough, but their answer right now is smoke and look to make a play.
On the opposite side of the map, all of Vici's sitting towards top as their tier
Number two is gonna drop, they'll have one outer tower at the bottom lane remaining.
What's the game plan if you're not a V-Lagoste?
Oh, it's about the survivability.
I see the God of Juice thinks he needs, like, the damage is still not the issue, which
I could disagree with that one.
Maybe a casual crystalist into Satanic would do.
But, sure, Satanic still gives you damage, it's just that maybe he thinks I need to
be as tanky as possible because with this build he's sitting at 4000 plus HP.
That's a lot of HP.
And he's trying to print some cash.
Get himself as much net worth as possible.
Sphere back out of Shiro, Sharpshooter misses.
And a juvenile decrypt on a PMA to try and get him away from Bok Blink opportunity
tend to roll, the TP is going to be out in time, they do get this Mars away and her spirit
will TP out as well.
Not too difficult, to escape.
Opening up a lot of space for the rest of the team as well.
Guardian greaves.
Yep, three big, four items, planet, good up to go for a more tanky build, used to
be as survivable as possible, eventually to keep him alive and the allies as long as
they're fighting near Bok. Bok was going with the idea of getting maybe
Glippity Glopity as his next item, but I didn't say that Hex sounds like overall the best option
seeing that they need the control. Let's say post BKB on Gyrocopter, he uses
Titanic, you get a Hex on him, he doesn't get the value out of it and then you can
kill him, of course, against the Storm Spirit who just now finished off the BKB to
counter this orchid or that you can initiate before. Pretty BKB sounds really good. I also
feel that Riddies in some of these fights are unable to replicate what Kaori has been
doing with the Phoenix. I think the damage numbers from him are definitely on the lower
side of this game.
It's very tough, especially with the addition of that orchid for the Beastmaster. If you
get orchided or if Marsy gets in your face, you're almost guaranteed to die.
And it's not like he's got the gold to get into an Aeon disc if he wants to survive that
way.
Like he just does not have as much net worth as Kaori would have at this moment of the game.
And that's the tough part for him where his survivability is quite left.
Got the juice hiding in the side with the rest of his team.
Bok gonna show up, Black Cannon comes through.
Do they make a response?
Do they know that there's a smoke behind him?
Are they gonna make the cake?
They're gonna look for Bok?
the kill to the Timbersaw, they might have it! With everybody here, he is still not that 5v1 kind of tanky.
The rest of the team was close, but just not close enough to make a counter reaction to the move that Navi had gone for in taking out the Timbersaw.
Lens, Floss of Link, Dagger on Arch, Spirit.
This is basically like a Pudge Hook, in a way.
Without it needing to really be a skill shot, right?
All you have to do is blink, blink and kick.
He does have...
buyback available if necessary.
Roshan's still not up.
Yeah, he won't be up for another minute, ten seconds.
I love that that's accurate these days.
I don't have to try and read that.
Oh, I remember back when he was trying to read that clock.
BQ goes in on Shiro, but they've got New Yorker to go to the Primal War.
to go to the Primal Roar, the Geomagnetic Grip,
to pull him away from the side of Beachy.
And now with that, they can re-initiate.
Marina comes in, the spear's gonna be off the mark,
so now you don't have that lockdown planted.
He's burning away the Sunray.
He's trying to use that Sharpshooter.
He gets pulled over by Ziots again,
out of position away from the team.
The Geomagnetic Grip is there and silenced him.
He's burning low, he'll end up dead.
Now they'll find themselves in another sport in Innocence.
So three heroes are gone,
with Timbersaw respawning in a second.
But this is a great fight from Navi,
and they put themselves equal in net worth,
right around when this Roche is going to respawn in 30 seconds.
Don't show me the clock.
Guys, I can't read that.
Analog is not for me.
All about digital.
Almost there.
Are we sure?
Are we sure?
No, I know where she is.
Supports?
Don't have Bibeck.
At least one doesn't.
Shadow Demon does have it.
Another to kick.
Silence.
Slot.
Jump in with rebound.
A spear.
Doesn't land.
Shiro.
Now looking over at Niku, but needs to be careful.
He's going to have a lot going for him.
He's gonna come around the side, Bot goes into the face and got the juice.
Well, the Twisted Chocram right on top of him.
Half health for Shiro.
Reset, reset.
And this is like he said, these fights might happen where not many people die, they just
throw a lot of spells and back away from each other.
And now Roshan is available.
BKBs are coming off cooldown.
Kind of, 25 seconds for Shiro.
They want to have the full squad, they want to be having their aura's ready.
And now Timbersaw has to figure out that he can die even if all these auras opts to go for a BKB instead
But the most important thing is everything is coming off cooldown
Unleash plus a BKB at the same time with both auras on Timbersaw, so they're gonna be fight ready
We'll be the ones who want to make the first move on this
There's a big problem as well Miku
He does have region in the bottle if they don't burst in from 100 to 0 the fight's gonna last long enough
We're heading through, replenish that mana.
That's also Vesper of the Dread.
Storm Spirit with Shiva's Guard.
Gonna be a lot of magic damage.
Quickened Idol of the Skriak.
For Bak.
He's moving quite quickly.
Niku, spotted point.
He would be taking each Shiro's gonna go into the back lines looking for the Mars.
The Primal War's gonna push him away.
PMA trying to run.
Shiro trying to stick onto the Mars.
They get the kill on a Riddies.
He's gonna buy back immediately.
They get the kill on a PMA.
He doesn't have buy back.
They get for 80.
So got the juice right on top of X.
And there's the same with the Disrupt. She ain't also rebabbing off of him.
Got that she's gonna be pulled away out of the fight.
Bop, unable to stick there.
But now, can they reset? Do they have the ability to go for Rosh after this?
They're gonna TP XM back home, and Niku's nearby picks up a gem.
Except the gem that Regen well used,
making sure that he can die from 100 to 0.
And Riddies forcing out the buyback on one of the supports.
It does feel like XM isn't doing as much in the fight, I want to check that he's still doing the most on Beastmaster getting close to his level 25, which is going to reduce the Primal Roar cooldown by 25 seconds and potentially getting close to a fresher.
Then maybe in a fight you can use 3 Primal Roars, which is pretty massive if the fight lasts for long enough.
enough it's it reduces yeah it's like 35 second cooldown like they're going in
again shiro no BKB for 25 they did technically kill the last roche so it
will roar give up that information that they're in the pit don't want to have
their mistake and they can hear Roche on inside the pit but doesn't seem like
they're gonna be able to contest it not this time around he just picked up
Shiro, Cheese for Bach, and the banner.
This is the big item.
If he can get enough farm, I think he, at the time, he might just sell, yeah there it
is, sells Helm of the Dominator, picks up the refresher that I wanted to see.
It just allows him to get another round of his spells, have another 6 seconds BKB.
You can see that in some of these post 30 minute fights, he goes in and then he's
afraid to go back in because he doesn't have a BKB, Storm Timer, and another
Shard. It's time for the Beastmaster, so he has that upgrade to the dock, and it'll
be nice for him to have, not one that you're really gonna buy. I don't check
them all off eventually. I think Timbers got his and Shiro's the only one without a shard
so the next Tormentor if it gets that far and they get that one still won't be given
that big chunk of gold like it does when you've got all those shards already picked
up. The game continues to sit close on a nice edge between both teams. So this 42
Timber. Like you said, you want him to have this hex, that extra bit of control. Cat to
buy a BKB. He was forced to buy a BKB after getting killed by the Holt Squad, because they
don't have any BKB piercing tools. If they don't stun lock him from 100 to 0, he can
get a BKB. He can get his Auras, use the Timber Chain. Now he even has G's available,
So it's gonna be much more difficult to kill him.
Marci actually buying the shard before committing to the Abyssal Blade.
I think because he sold his helm of the Dominator, doesn't have the rebound partner of his own.
Can't rely on his allies, of course.
It's a line.
Yep.
Two separate parts.
Ready to lock it in.
Get it in.
Get it ready to go.
Will that damage be too much of a problem for Veitchy?
These are long drawn out fights that we've been seeing throughout the entirety of the
game when you're about to get to now that level of 25 where you've got that minus 4 seconds
on flat cannon.
You're going to be able to do a lot of damage with that.
Trauma War comes out to start with a pull immediately from Xyots, gets him out again.
They try to make these moves, but Xyots is being such a pain in the ass.
They're unable to lock down these heroes, they're never gonna go and get themselves the varsity, they've got themselves the spear as well as the arena with the disruption saved from it.
It's Shiro trying to fight back with the BKB, they've got the roar once again, it's not a really this time, no pull, no save.
Bok, low BKB, spot the run out, but not a kill.
They get the lock down onto Shiro, all that help jumps on the PMA, gets the kills. Shiro's got that, he's beyond god like the X was used.
Bok right in the face, but they go to the kick, it's gonna be under the tier 3 tower, and now they use that magnetize.
He's ready to get a kill in a box!
He assembled the Divine Rape in that fight. No buyback from Riddies.
DMA does have buyback available but seems like they're going to want to reset the cooldown on BKB.
Sure, he died only once this game, but now they're going to need help.
They need those Roars to connect onto this Gyrocopter. He's doing way too much work.
Their biggest problem, to me, is Zyoth's.
He is showing the strengths of this Earth Spirit hero.
Every time they try to jump a target, they get pulled away.
Relatively short cooldown as well, with some 10-second cooldown.
He's quite the fisherman. It feels like that's what he's doing.
He throws out, casts the bait, and then Riddies gets caught for a second.
He pulls him back in with the Geobank got a grip.
Then the heroes on Vici try to chase him and it's dinner for everybody. It's been served in a longer fight
It does feel like Navi is winning those because you have Satanic on Jaracopter
These multiple saves that Earth Spirit is bringing to the pool to the as a tool
And then you have Storm Spirit as well who is super tanky and also he had amplified damage in the previous fight dealing
almost 10,000 damage
I don't want a gold for Earth script, but would you want him to get like that agonim
scepter?
I don't think it's needed, I think he might go for Lotus Orb if he gets enough money
for now just saving a buyback gold, definitely need it.
Wanting to be ready to come back into the game, gets that buyback, he's been a lot
of their save, a lot of their ability to keep these fights going and rolling and
not losing somebody immediately on those Blink Roar initiations, but the team now sticking
together towards bottom. Got the juice. Talked about that divine right here and now Agonix
Scepter for the Storm Spirit. That's the big one. He goes in with Shiva's Guard,
He's also level 25
You will just allow gyro counter. He pulls two three of them. It's gonna be a big setup for the arena potentially
She was the one who had the most farm for the most of the game, but he is looking how far behind gyro is
Got the juice 35,000 net worth
In a game in which that top lane he kind of struggled for a second got a little
bit of help when everybody rotated to help him where he was going to dive
back to back time and that's really what I think saved his game initially was
that help from his teammates over in the top lane. He invested all of his gold.
Shiro went all in, Abyssal blade, he's level 25, with the Unleash duration extended by
six seconds when he gets a kill. Orchid. Earthstrip is behind him in case they
initiate with the roar. Could be seeing three roars in a fight with the way these
fights drag on. You got that minus roar cooldown for that level 25 so it's 26
and a half seconds. That would refresh her and the arcane. Yeah, it could be
seeing a lot of roars if they fight with the arcane rune, but both teams
kind of holding up and not committing too heavily just yet. Roaches a minute
15 seconds from potentially spawning giving time to these heroes to continue to farm in gyro with the
divine wants agatams
Blessing next which is gonna cost a lot of gold. It'll take some time to get there
And I think you just do you just commit out on it because you've got a divine rapier
You don't really hold your gold at that point unless you're getting yourself a second divine
I think that the idea is to have potentially buyback and divine gold unless you can farm agatams center blessing
Plus the buyback gold, okay, and then he can still you don't play but yeah with agonium scepter
You can still life steal off with the side gunner if you are getting roared if you're getting roared twice
but there's also insane amount of saves that you've seen so far from
Zayas on this earth script did one hell of a job
There's been that conversation happening between these heroes because two or so continues to go back and forth floating the idea of
Yeah
I noticed that I just buy hex at this point like you needed the gyrocopter if he doesn't like post BKB
The fight is so much more difficult for him to play against hex than to play against increased AOE and road of ATOS coming up from TimB
Yeah, I think the idea was hoodwink who's also got hex cued up might be able to get to it
And then he can go great here instead nothing wrong with bubble hex you can have five hexes on a team
It's still gonna feel good. I agree with that
They sit even, 50 minutes in, there's that hack, see, finally commits.
So gets the idea, gets the item, and we'll see if that ends up being a bigger issue with
these BKBs that are 6 seconds across the board.
Actually, it's 7 for Gyro, just so I can be 100% correct.
Zyot's pausing the game.
Some packet loss.
Open it up, spill some sugar down.
That's where you ooze in some of that packet.
Ready to go, ready to try, and ready to try and get some of the answers in this
game.
The game did slow down. We're seeing some fights, but not many heroes were dying and
a Roshan is now available in the top bit. A lot of Presence, Aegis, Refresher Shard,
Cheese, and the Banner, Smoke coming up from Vici Gaming.
That's kind of the Divine Rapier effect, right? You get this Divine, you don't want
to fight as much even though you feel stronger. You don't want to be pushed into a fight
that maybe is unnecessary. You want to take the ones that you need to go for.
They know. Dire just used the scan and it's still connecting.
Blessing a couple of dimes
Pretty's up in the high ground Radovichos catches him on the back end of the dive
And that's gonna come in can you get the seat?
Don't reason to die first scouting something by that
He also has this outpost to keep you over too
So he's gonna go immediately into that use that a bit slave the proper war comes through
That's just gonna try and fight back the war again. You know they have the damage
You've got to heal the kick to get him out of Hartzway
That's why Chiro X that both gone, did for so long,
three heroes dead with Innocence falling back in Planet.
There's not much more for them to say,
and they'll lose the gem and the Roland Scions again
with the same Agata Juice.
Man, it is not me cleaning up all they lost
was really easy bomb back,
and that is gonna be another MVP performance
by the Earth Spirits.
Oh man, they used LUN to jump that Phoenix
who does have Bi-Veck available.
This is BKB ulti Marcy. Sure you extended by 6 seconds because you got the kill, but also Hex was used immediately onto him to try to grab that kill.
Not sure if that was the right play. We're gonna see it again because he started to run away and you can see Bok at like Riddies immediately disappears, but the BKB from Shiro is running out and then he's gonna be able to stand his ground.
arena comes in he was not inside of the arena he didn't get that initial heal
he didn't get that extra damage but the storm spirit he comes in he's also the
damage learned how many times have you seen mid laners just being like the
real carries of the team once they get like spot Parasma storm spirit with
Parasma she was guard it is insane amount of damage especially in prolonged
teamfights they don't have buyback on three of these heroes that are dead
They bought back on XM, but this is Xayah's.
He's just looking.
He is such a nuisance.
And XM trying to get back into the fountain
is dead again.
Two minutes gone.
And without the Roars, without the options,
they call Gigi Navi.
Great job bringing this one back.
And they take game one over Vici.
And Xayah's finally, he can get the hands
of his most played hero.
This is his most played hero for a reason.
The hero was not good for a very, very long time,
but ever since we added mechanic
that you can save people with your magnetic grip,
he's like, I did this guys, I saved everybody.
It doesn't seem like they're too happy
about the performance, even though they get that dub.
Yeah, there's a lot of, not like big emotion,
but you feel the emotion of how he's explaining,
I'm just the baller, I'm the best player in the world.
And let's throw it back to the panel
here what they have to say.
That was such an interesting game, and it was definitely very, I don't think it played out the way we expected it to.
It was very even, fairly tense, rape your bot, maybe break the tense to still a little bit, make up for something that Navi felt they were lacking in.
Then this fight happened, well this fight and some other fights happened around the road, but that is when it was really explosive.
Yeah, this might have been the most back-and-forth game we've seen on our panel at least where I just wasn't I wasn't sure
Who was going to win the entire time?
That got the juice on gyro
something
Feels different when you watch these very good gyrocopter players play where it's like they
Understand their house threatening. They are in a fight and they understand like what little positioning adjustment
They need to make to get their flax off but also stand in a position where if each he were to go in on him and all in him
That they would simply die, you know like they have to run through an arena that after run through an egg
I mean in this case he did get all in and he was out of position
But then saved by zi it's on earth spirit. So
It's like this whole team plays amazingly around gyrocopter
Understanding exactly what needs to be done to keep him alive in the fight
Which is why the rapier purchase didn't look as scary as it normally would for some other gyrocopters
Yeah, and I think
Me sure was that was I think his first death. He was like destroying the entire game and
in the beginning of the game like the first I want to say 40 minutes is a very much like
Big team fight one kill big team fight one kill like everything would happen a one guy would die
Maybe there's like that one Roche fight where there's definitely trades back and forth
But then I think definitely the kind where you're saying got the choose made the choices. I'm gonna get right here
It's time for me to kind of walk in when that's the game and it's like one fight all took was that one good fight
Yeah, also just like the kicks from ziats the earth spirit just looked kind of phenomenal to me
It really did and it was there overall first pick. So it was very
Well earned to have the MVP going his way. It's also putting that earth spirit for Navi on the radar in terms of
of maybe, if they are willing to pick it that early,
maybe it's first time material
because they had a big impact in this game.
Yeah, and I think that's part of the reason
why they can play Gyrocopter so comfortably,
even into Marcy, which was like Gunnar was saying,
like looking like a counter in the early game,
like Gyro could not man up at all into the Marcy,
but with Earth Spirit and helping you play
this positioning game, Gyro looks really good.
This is definitely a replay.
We'll go back and watch to see like what's I had stayed to get through the early game and to get to this point that he has the
Blink in the ether lines because once you get there it does look
Very good, and it looks
completely different from what we see from like
four position Earth spirits
For at least like three or four years. I feel like I'm even I feel like longer since
Basically since they changed out like how the role works with the slow the stunt on a kick
They've kind of transitioned it definitely more into this like core rule
Like you're just this tanky hero with a lot of damage, but now like the supports finally get to have the fun hero again
Be this more utility back like it was about time. Yeah
Magnus that can skewer his team which is very interesting
There were also a couple fights that were very interesting things that you wanted to show again
Yeah, I wanted to show. I mean this was some pretty flawless Dota from both sides actually like I think
This move towards the top lane from Vici
killing got the juice here. I think this is one. Is this one where they kill him or
Can't remember either way on the top lane like there was a lot of focus around this tower going towards both directions
there was the agonist sector reveal from Vici that went top and
They killed got the juice and then got the juice tp'd right back in and they
Defended it. So in each one of these fights. I was thinking like, okay, this is such a solid timing from one team
It's gonna snowball in this direction, but then you have the next timing coming from the other team
And they would win a fight and it's like I can't remember which one of you guys said it was like there's a fight
One kill or one objective there's a fight one kill or one objective
And it wasn't just like Vici would win a fight and then they get a kill an objective
Then Vici would win a fight. Yeah, it would come back the other way it like both teams played so well around their timings and
When they actually executed in the fight when they did hit whatever timing it was whether it was like
Agnes Scepter or Aegis, they would press all their buttons right and they would win the fight and get like one single thing from it
Yeah, I was expecting there was this one timing where they got like BQB on the beast
Yeah
The Mars was trying to get his like both sides are getting their BQB timings
Which is the big one in this game and then I was like, oh this is when the big fights happen
And then I was like, oh nothing happened for 15 minutes because they can't it was like a stalemate
Yeah, and you want to have the around time in a 14 something. Yeah
So the carries basically were in this position that I think sure was having more impact in the fights
And it was really hard for the gyro to be able to man up to him
Yeah, and so right before I think it was about 42 43 minutes is when he bought the rapier
Yeah before that he's kind of in this position where Marcy's like destroying him every fight
We had the gyro can't do these one-to-one man fights
He's a more kind of team fight area damage hero and so I thought it was really cool that
He's like I'm gonna rapier and I'm gonna fix that problem when you have the rapier on gyro
And the Satanic you definitely can manfight the Marcy so it's kind of like seeing this position right before the rapier
Look at the difference in there like Katie's there's one guy 12 one and five and then they guys one two and seven
Which is bad, but the second he got the rapier it took what one fight
They literally won one fight and then we try camp and the game's over is like such a good read from this position
That looks so scary. You're getting
Kind of out I don't say outclass, but the thing that's also interesting is he's down about 4,000 network
I was about to say the exact same thing and yet he can still outman fight the gyrocopter.
You can see exactly why Vici picked Marcy in this matchup and it just requires the Cajonas
to all in and go for the rapier and trusting your team too that they'll like keep you alive
when you do have that risky item.
Here's the rapier.
Yeah, then after this point the hero damage forgot the juice.
I think that would have been pretty damn hard.
pretty much and I thought it was a really good read though because in these positions it's sometimes scary, but a lot of the fights were
Kind of like we said it was like repositioning but in a good way for your team usually when we talk about repositioning it's oh
I got put hooked in I got magnet scared and I got tossed that kind of things
But in this game, I was he's piking himself away. He's getting kicked by the Earth spirit. He's getting pulled
He went from to us away. He went from 27,000 to 40,000
Just so a little over one fight. So crazy
I thought it was very cool. I loved when fights kind of have these like kind of movements and positioning where you get a guy and he gets
Forced out just out of range and when Marcy's in that position
Her whole thing is she jumps in and she has to stick on that target
So this like little movements, especially wasting your big timing hurts the hero so much
Yeah, this was a very cool close first game of this best of three series
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It's Navi vs Vici gaming here for PJ Valachia Season 7 and the big question is after that
game one where do you go because both plans look kind of solid so what really
needs to change other than maybe a couple of tweaks I think there were some
question marks with the last big timber saw that came to light that might have
made Vici struggle a little bit more on the initiations I think yeah I think if
Vici felt like they had a more like cohesive grouping like formation I know
Jenkins like stuck about formation a lot I think the timber didn't really fit
into that that one for their draft where something like a tide is what
you're saying. Sure, I think they were ahead of majority of the game. And if we
replayed that game, I would be surprised if five times Vichy won, five times
Novi won. But I think to make it maybe slightly higher than a 50%, I think
having that like tied, because he did end up buying like the same items that
you would buy in a tide, maybe the pipe. Something that just like has this
teamfight would also prevent Earthbear from saving. Because when Earthbear
goes in, you ravage, you get the gyro, you have a little more like
control and I I think just the ability to have a guy that goes in and
Once most we cast on him would feel a bit better than Timber who like it's fine having supposed cast on him
But he also wants to do damage
I think that's probably what happened is obviously there's a lot going on between these two teams in terms of like complexity and
the drafting and so I feel like Vici was like at the tail end of their drafting time and they're
trying to come up with some picks for Bach and
And they were kind of running out of time and just came up with one that was okay.
And it was okay.
I mean, he was tanky.
He ran into the fights.
He got it wasn't bad.
Like he was having the impact.
He had a good game.
Yeah, he got crimson.
But like in my eyes, like the reason you would pick something like a timber over a tide is,
I mean, timber deals damage.
You don't pick timber because he's like unkillable over a tide.
He went three and six.
He was definitely dying.
He's playing to gyro.
It's not it's not easy to survive.
And his damage was 22k like his beasted 27k damage is shiro Marcy, which they just picked again
Did 40k damage so it's like you're not picking it for for damage
So I imagine probably they have a bit of the same deduction that we do
It's like okay
This could have been better and if we have like a 5% more odds to win
Well, that was a very close game. So it probably would have been a lot better
This is kind of I would assume both teams kind of knew this exact kind of first phase going up in this draft
because Largo, one of the most popular heroes to first pick, and then Marcy is Vichy's
response. Every time they see the Largo they want to pick Marcy, go to the lane
versus the Largo because it's a very strong lane, and you get this Dominator,
you get to kind of like take his camps, take his area, it's the complete like
package to shutting down Largo. The other thing we talk about with this is
interesting enough it's the offline, it's like the complete opposite side of
the map, but I think being able to try lane against the Largo is really
We see heroes like bat writer get picked a lot. It's I know it's been but kind of having these soul heroes that can
Kind of 1v2 at some point in the early game cars is good. Even martyrs sometimes to pay on the lane matchups
Timber is another one tim timbers not basis. Yeah, that's where like timber would actually have a role in the game
I think to
you can
Leave him alone. It's always very nice, but lots of offlaners are like this I think
Speaking of a hero that's so far left alone is the Warlock Last Game. It did get second phase banned.
For now we have the Disruptor and the Beastmaster banned here in the second phase for Navi and only one ban for Vici before going into the next phase in previous game.
Another hero that Navi banned in the second phase was, faces Void, which this time round is in the pool.
But I'm not sure if you want to leave your off-laner on an island and then go gank the
Largo if you want to do that with a faceless void because Largo can just purge the timed
isolation.
That to me that doesn't seem like good into the Largo but...
And he can run his team out of the time zone with the speed song.
I also think that ult isn't like a cooldown when you are playing the music.
I think it just like graze out the spell as opposed to putting it on cooldown
So I don't think time dilation works really because it would kind of mess up the like metronome kind of vibe
So I think Laura was like pretty decent verse void and if they were gonna pick the void
I think it probably on the 1617. That's where they've had good success with it
Yeah, so probably here you just take your five that lands with Marcy
Some range. Sure. I think the warlock is acceptable. I don't know if you want a warlock against Largo
Yeah warlock's like definitely very sad as Largo, but
So Phoenix has gotten so much value in this tournament.
I think teams are really like upping the numbers.
For me, the biggest thing is the laser facet is what a lot of people are going.
It's not 100%.
I don't know what the data is on that facet in general, but most people are going the
there's the data for the hot spot is the laser, right?
Yeah.
So not many people are going.
I think that one's better, but I know Kerry likes the hotspot because that one's it's a lightning fast
He went for both in the last series
He's swapped it up
He swapped it up and to me like what I learned from watching that I actually forgot to talk about this on panel was that I
Think this is what makes a lot of heroes
Get in like ascend into like the broken territory when you have options
And I was trying to think like when you play options for the hero
I was trying to think like okay
Why would you go for one versus the other and we saw kory go for the dying light and then he farmed a bunch
He formed like pipe he formed he formed like utility items for his team
So I think if you're in a situation where like the hotspot is not necessarily good because you've queen of pains
Whatever against you they're gonna like blink away from it or your team already has damage
Or you need those big items on someone like you want some sort of like Chen type hero
Or you have a guy who's actually building those important items then I think you can go for dying light to farm
But otherwise I think that's where I agree the the laser facet looks like there's a lot to be discovered there
I just think the laser is super good because it's so much damage that it's like very very surprising it ramps up very quickly at the end
There's been so many times it gets stunned for like one or two seconds
I'm like, I don't want to pop my BKB and then after that one second
You've just taken half of your health purely from a Phoenix. Yeah
And a solid support duo coming out for Navi as well with Earth Spirit and the Warlock
I don't we keep saying this but it is very important that
when you pick something like Largo, enemy guys pick Marcy and they say we are
going to shit on you and Lane. I think the response to that is okay and you pick
a four that will simply pull the wave and is melee and wants to 50-50 the lane
anyway and Earth Spirit is perfect for that and as we saw in the last game
Navi Earth Spirit is looking very scary. And then bang they're gonna pick
Faces void and try lane with the face. Here we go. Actually face. Yeah faceless void it plus
Primal seems really good. Yeah primal can eventually end up cutting waves
Void can the lower cooldowns on it QW
Yeah, even the moving speed the buff because of the old gives I want to say
50% moving speed
Something like that in the previous game when we saw faces void being banned
We talked about how nice the banners because if you're a spirit you really don't want to go up against someone at time
Dilate you
Yeah, I mean even the warlock like all these years do like clicking their spells sure the Largo can dispel one guy, but
It's really awkward to
user
Like be the only dispel with the Largo queue
Especially with like a always time directions like are you gonna remove your Earth spirit?
You're gonna move your mid laner your carry like everyone's time-divided
So I don't think it's necessarily that hard of a one-to-one counter
But they don't they don't take the bait on ours hoping for it. We all were
Okay, now we get a wonderful situation that we all love is XM last pick potentially on
the mid lane. This is where we get some of the funniest drafts in the funniest Dota situation.
Please not OD again.
We'll see.
Roaster coming out. Is Primal Beast not chance for rotation mid instead or?
It can.
I can definitely go mid if there's a good
Like offline pick. I like I like the idea of he can cut the wave and like be left alone in the offline
Yeah, if they want to kind of shut down the longer. Yeah, I
Think for Navi right now every time I see primal beast my initial reaction is a safe winner that has a stun
Always ends well versus primal, but the issue is a lot of the safe winners with stuns are bad versus Phoenix
It's like Sven knockers Phoenix Dragonite knockers Phoenix
and
And so
Maybe you'd rather just pick some agility hero that
Doesn't get pressured or you go the crazy route where you pick like a queen of pain. I don't think that's really their
Style of dota
But that would be the other way because you don't really pressure
Or we get pressured by the primal and queen of pain actually is pretty good versus Marcy
You can always ult her away from your team kind of buy you an extra stop
It stops her jump like it literally stops it to be gay the way I kind of consider queen of panel
Is it's kind of like a pseudo bkb piercing stun?
Verses like melee carries because you just knock them away from your team through the BKB and they came down
They've been with themselves. Yeah, they don't want to get it all in and swapped against storm
I mean, I'm just of course trying to think what is the XM last pick like cheese hero that he can they can take
It's not a great Venom game
Against all of the heels and storm spear can zip through the gaol and before we get to that
of course we need on the side of Navi still here I forgot the juice. Yeah, Kerry true and
And we have Ursa already removed from the pool and you know that maybe Primal is going to be alone
left on an island there. Is there any canikari that could really make use of that?
And why would... because he's gyrocopter was very good.
Razor, I think looks really good. It's Decent vs. the Marcy. It's Decent vs. the Primal.
The other one that people do sometimes which is definitely a much weaker hero and not that good
but if you want that one specific gold monkey king because you can jump on the trees to catch
the guy cutting the wave. You connect very, very quickly. Weavers in that same genre. But
again, both of those heroes, I don't like that much versus like the Willow, the Phoenix. They're
kind of like these squishier heroes that just die. So the razor looks good to me. Like you can link
the primal. You can chase him down. And what about the bird? What if it's a bird? You don't
like the bird. I don't like the bird the whole time. I hate it. I am a hater. You're
thinking a bird mid and then a carry storm. Yeah. That's based. That's very based.
Storm has a stun.
He does. That's true.
And he is slow.
He's saying that Bird is mid.
Both. I think both can be true.
There's a track.
Choose your hero.
OK.
No, it's not.
OK.
Bird.
Yeah, safe lane Bird.
I mean, XM gets one of his favorite heroes, Mid.
Is it?
Imagine if it was a faces, instead of a Dark Willow.
Yeah.
He had the Lush track.
Is there a game for it?
I mean, I think Lush is, like he wins lane against Thorn, but it's not by a huge margin, right?
I wouldn't say this is a particularly good Lush game, because there's a lot of teamfight he's running into.
He's running into a Warlock, so he's running into Largo.
Even the Kez does a immense amount of kind of burst physical damage on one guy, and he doesn't...
I would say if VG is going to deal with it, it's going to be on Bok.
I think Primal Beast is really good versus Kez actually hero matchup wise, maybe not so much in the lane, but having a BKB piercing stone on Kez, he usually is kind of a squishy hero.
So if you take your BKB on Primal, you blink on him, catch him, and then you just kind of follow that up with big damage from the Marci from the Lesh.
I can see Vici having a pretty solid game, but it's going to be a lot on Bokka to carry.
Yeah, this is an interesting one for sure. And then, I mean, on the other side, like,
I feel like Shiro on Marcy is just something different. It's something else. Like they are the only team that is consistently picking this
Perhaps it's because they think it's a Largo counter and it gets a free game
But these are very good at it
There's always potential for like a big snowball to happen from the Marcy lane and we've seen that
Kind of happened even in the last game. It was happening
But then in the late game obviously some crazy stuff one time
Yeah, so I mean this one this one could go either way
I think it's a it's an interesting game to walk. How does it compare to previous game because that game also very much could go either way and
It lasted for a long time until that that one fight. Is it is it similar more volatile?
I would say like whichever side starts winning in the early game. I think is I think there's gonna be
Like double the kills in this game. You have a probably some one you have a storm in the other
They're both gonna just go high octane gameplay. Yeah, let's see
Who is gonna come out on top game number two would be cup of the cost?
Thank you very much guys. We come in the game number two with Navi and Vici another Vici game another Marcy pick
They seem to absolutely be in love with this hero with us
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a game with Marcy against Kez
Like two carries scoring up against each other
But there's gonna be a lot of brawl and I was always a fan
This is the old-school Dota combo Earth Spirit with Warlock fatal bonds then he comes in with magnetized pre pipe
It's gonna deal a lot of damage. So I guess he's inside of the pit
Gonna go for the roll. There's the fatal bonds and why is in trouble fire spirits is what he has queued up and now
able to survive catch you lick underneath you the turnaround coming through from box got the trampoline
I got the juice they get that kill onto Y first as first point, but a double kill for XM
It looked good until it didn't. He was about to die on Phoenix and he did, but the turn-around
play was definitely there. Bramble Maze connected up to multiple people and he was waiting to
see what he needs to skill and buck. Lightning Storm and Lash connects on a couple of them.
Two kills for XM. Very good start. Let's see if he's bringing the bottle on the courier.
He is immediately, there's going to be his extra region.
That's also stole that other bounty. I thought it was going to be three bounties, two kills
for Vici, which would have been putting them in a very good spot, but I mean here anyway
when you've got yourself that early bottle for the Lashrak, you know there are points
in this lane where Storm's going to be without mana and you've just got that extra sip
of water to go for and the Lashrak should have the edge. See how it goes for XM,
getting bulked those kills, but where do you see the most action happening? Which one of
these lanes sticks out the most? I'd say top lane, planet and buck definitely want to play
aggressive there is nothing that can stop primal beast from going in so that's always
a good lane for primal. Always going to feel good and he's dragging the creep wave
behind the tower. Warlock needs to be careful he does have two fairy fires this is
that we are seeing nowadays on position 4s, on position 5s as well so they can trade better,
turn around potential, he's definitely there. Primal on the off-lane he needs some kind of solo
XP, he needs to be left alone, I want to see Planet maybe staying further away from the XP just
so that you can get that level 3 before the enemy and then with two points in trample and on
slot you could definitely grab a kill in warlock. We'll see what Bok gets and if
there's gonna be many movements coming up for the Dark Will we've seen them move
to try and focus on mid before but getting right into the face of Riddies
and Shadow Ward on him goes into the Shadow Realm and will attempt to TP out.
Damage not quite there to kill this Dark Will who TP's all the way back
home so this won't leave Bach alone but put start going to spot where now they've
got to walk all the way back to the lane to even help out so they'll be walking
back up towards top initially meanwhile XM he bottles that water room gets a
couple extra sips on that bottle and Niku now has a bottle of his own so the
discrepancies between the bottles and one having one and the other not no
longer the case over mid. See this Largo? At times go straight for the
soaring eggs, no little items in between. What are you looking to see as it looks
as though it's just cute up brown boots soaring probably straight eggs none of
those like bracers or anything else coming his way so just focusing straight
on that. You like that more than getting those smaller items? I don't
think I've seen many small items so usually it's like face boots just to
have that extra bit of move speed and the wind lays so you can close the distance, you
can stay away if necessary, have that extra bit of movement speed.
Right.
Nothing too crazy, I think Largo has been figured out in terms of itemization coming
out from the off lane.
He's just getting himself not much out of this lane.
He is 5 and 3 up to this point.
to really start to figure it out because this is so far an okay lane for
Shiro back on this Marci which is of course Helm the Dominator no surprise
you've got that pick me up you're trying to get in on these heroes and there is
been opportunity for them to get killed that means Iots has been sticking a
little bit close and you jump on him and maybe prevent him from rolling away
you can get the kill there we'll see what Shiro attempts but you can see
top lane Bok taking a lot of harassment he's still sitting half
health but he's got himself that early ring of health and he's got that extra
regen to work with to kind of sustain in the lane and that might be the marker for
Dark Will to kind of move over elsewhere. Usually it's either you go for early
trinkles that you're gonna be disassembling or you pick up this ring of
health that later on you can turn it it's not a hero that builds into
Crimson Guard by any means you can like that's probably gonna be saved
for some like Shiva's Guard later for now it's just a casual ring that he's
going to be keeping. To have extra regen, you want to get soul ring so it allows you
to get that extra bit of it. And this is a tough lane. I do like this Marcy as a response
to Margo and lane because this hero has no real escape mechanism. You have the lick
which allows you to dispel some of the things, but if you're repositioned, if you're close
to Marcy, it's going to be very very difficult for you to survive a third spirit. He
He still doesn't have Geo-Magnetic Rep, so he can't pull you out of the trouble.
Yeah, and Vici Gaming, laying around the mid lane.
You look at last game and for Vici, it feels though 95% of that game was played well by them.
It was just that last part where they let it slip so far that they ended up losing game number one.
They're off to a good start this time around.
Planet trying to evade Niku and Riddies, but they vortex the Shadow Word and the extra shot coming in from Niku
to get that kill and apply it and chase him all the way to the tier 2, tier 3 steps off
over mid.
Bok.
Got the juice, not afraid to just put the damage on the Echo Slash and just under the
tower Bok is dead.
Got the juice, gets the kill, PMA in trouble again, and now the roll trying to get the
saves as can he help out PMA enough not looking likely he gets the roll in, but
overall they still get that kill.
kill in the top lane on Miles, got the juice to get some extra levels. That was pretty much
the solo kill, really just comes back to a lane. Three black remorse stacks. So that's
going to be relatively early level six on Warlock. Need to be kind of careful about how much
you give to the Warlock, but with fatal bombs and everything, it's very hard to make sure
that he doesn't get anything assist wise early on if they are getting those kills.
damage picked up for xm refilling that bottle but also having that ever quite
damage to maybe go and get a kill as that still sits just level two not
getting much experience from the game at all hard lane level five to hard lane
that they were playing into you also want to be giving some xp the Largo so
that he can farm much faster with the frog stomp 30 seconds until the xp rune
Let's see how they're gonna approach it's primal beast sitting relatively low. He just brought a healing salve
Not too much man at the work
But has only one spell either trample or onslaught if they decide to invade they put a lot of damage on this tower
both got the juice and Riddies kind of splitting the
Need to sit in front of the tower while it's just that catapult
So they both soaked up a bit of damage made sure that the next creep wave came in
Leaving the catapult alive and being able to put the damage onto the tier one tower
and then they just healed up with Shadow Ward anyway.
They didn't end up getting the tower, but it's down to about 500 health.
Not a bad job by the two of them to just suck up those tower shots.
A lot of things going in correctly here for Navi.
Their stacks getting stolen, their XP rune got stolen as well.
Which means that Earth Spirit is gonna struggle.
He is only level 3.
At least Warlock has, as we said, 3 Grimoires.
George's, which is gonna push him closer to that level 6 if he wants to use it.
I definitely think that he will need to use it this game
Yeah, it's not going to be one of those where you get six quickly you can hold on to those extra charges
Maybe push yourself to 12
It's definitely more of the get me to six get us a team fight spell active
Planned I could try and stack again with the eight minute mark
Not gonna be able to stack that other camp ancients little stack bill
that bottom tier one takes some pressure, they'll glyph and PMA would love to hit that six and now he is on to trying to get
the agonim scepter for himself
All the power is just being controlled here by XM. He got himself the regen rune as well
And it is just being all Vici as they go after PMA and get another kill out of the larga
Another good start for shiro as expected
This hero is extremely strong allows you to bring the items that are lained with special delivery
You get to that helm, you have extra regen, very good stats as well for universal heroes.
So they killed mid tower, they killed bottom tower as well, pretty similar to what happened in the previous game.
It seems they're gonna be able to rotate, potentially go through the twin gates and try to pressure a little bit.
The power of this primal beast as a hero is that no matter what, like how bad of a lane he does have,
all he needs is levels, which Planet definitely gave him by leaving him,
And then you can continue to stack and you can still get to 11 minute 12 minute blink dagger Facebook soul ring
even in a losing plane
Finally we'll go for sure. They get the kill. Riddies is there to take care of this Marcy to use that
Chaotic offering to have that level six those grimoire charges as they'll look for a rolling land for morbid and Sam
Maybe thinking about getting the turn doesn't let the sun now
He's not a fan of land.
And the Shadow Word is on him, they're here with the pole to get a kill to XM and other kill for Riddies.
A bit of a misplay and a bit of a wander from Vici giving up their 1 and 2, and most likely this talent.
Oh, we've seen that from Vici.
The last two days, and today...
They kinda...
Give away advantage that they do build up, like, laning stage-wise.
This is a very very strong team and then they have like one really bad move between 10 and 15 minutes, which kind of puts the game in a different direction than they wanted to.
Suddenly, Navi manages to stabilize. You have this Largo getting levels, which he's gonna definitely... Oh, Shiro keeps in again.
Trying to go for PMA. There's the dispose. There's a kill.
And yeah, definitely the series where...
He's been favoring this shiro and
Marcy has worked out at times and overall he's got 23 games and a 60% win rate with this hero
but
Say just again, it's it's just
That like one bad play like you said that ends up putting them go from being able to like take over the game
And it just kind of sitting at this even
level
Again, Primal Beast, one of the best heroes in the game to clear the stacks with from the off lane.
He used the smoke, used the trample, will wait for another one.
Like it's impossible to farm the ancient stacks with Primal Beast,
especially if one of the boys, if the boys camp is there, I'm talking about ancient prowlers.
You get bound, you can't move, pretty much takes half of your trample damage.
But he found a good neutral item as well, Cobalt Cup, Faithful's Wind Lace.
This is what you want to have plus mystical extra bit of region coming out
This is only level four. There's not much of movement
He can make they thought about throwing the terrorize but planet holding it allows him to roll away
I think they got a little bit green thought they now but now the landed onto the storm and was shiro here
That ends up being okay
From criticism to praise good job with the terrorize
Very well done
Slowing them down again, like this is the type of a lineup that can get the ball rolling relatively early on, especially with Leshrac.
Not the hero that we see the most, I feel like we could definitely be seeing Leshrac in more games.
Because the hero feels good, maybe not so much, I think Penal discussed about...
Sitting at 100% win rate, that's a good stat over two games, but Penal talked about Teamfight, where he tries to go in.
Where's the follow-up beta bonds and the rebounds out and the Sun under got the juice
Just an easy escape but bedroom right on top of radius
Catch you with frog stomped down Sun right now hitting the zero's raise command of dead planet
He's still alive rebound back in looking over at Zion to getting the kill as well as grabbing the golem
So that'll be a good amount of gold for shiro and Navi they rotate they try to make something happen
This is all without the primal beast and they don't get anything for their troubles.
Oof, those XP runes that were being stolen, our Spirit is still level 4.
He definitely wants to be able to go in, connect with the fatal bonds, use magnetize.
That's the most damage in a teamfight that also stores Spirit Zip again between the heroes, not connecting onto anything.
It's all about stacking until PMA gets his agonim scepter so he can play these two songs.
goes for Niku and we caught Niku one more time. Just not finding any escape for Navi,
already down 5,000 net worth and despite the blunder bottom from Nivici they have recovered
and made sure to get back that advantage that they once had. This is a very quick
desolator for Got the Juice, but the question really becomes is it gonna matter as much
If the rest of the team really is kind of floundering in a game like this, the Phoenix has as much net worth as the Wario.
Yeah, it's a bad sign. He still needs two components, but I feel like in the next engagement, they need to bring Kez.
Otherwise, they're not going to have damage, and this is the blink reveal for Primal Beast. He goes in, gets silenced, Syus saves him a bit.
They have to save the Shrine or get the other one. They just cannot allow themselves to not get the Shrine,
Shrine and unfortunately planets gonna steal it and it continues to put the Earth spirit in a situation where he gets
No experience. I mean this guy can't have level six. He can't even have a level five
I would just run to the other side of the map on their side check if
Potentially there's a shrine because right now they are playing on a different side of the map
Shrine is active to be taken
This is brutal. It's there. Zoom in, enhance. More. Closer. I need to see more details.
It's being pinged out. The planet is like, somebody go pick it up. Somebody go get this.
It's a beautiful area, the man. It really is. Very nice addition of this tiny little
bridge. When we look at it a certain way, the purple does show up, but it's kind
like not there but on off still waiting for somebody to grab it it looks like a
fish on that shrine the top part looks like it's there to beat you and there we
go it'll be primal who picks it up I do not see the fish but I see buck picking
up that shrine and that's worth the advantage keeps rising they are keeping
the good farm on their side BKB about to be completed on shiro you will
We'll have Leshrac with Kaia, no new big item, but I feel they should still be able to take the fight to Niku.
Getting bound, on slot in, ready to trouble, gets the Fatal Buns off with no chaotic offering, Jimacic Rip out of three.
Zaz is still just level five, will try to roll out of freedom, but XM with another double kill, and that is just now 7000 net worth lead.
They check for a ward and it is all VG still and their hopes for Navi are all on this Kev's
He has to do so much
It needs to be him and storm. Oh nice dodge
There's a board the combo still haven't seen it in action like don't underestimate the damage a
Lot of details. I think this is the only thing on the map that looks worse than morphing
I was just about to say the same thing, but I, you know, I like whatever's going on with the, uh,
the chin of that frog.
I felt like it was at a nice beat.
I think it's the mating sound that it produces.
Like that? Yeah. There you go.
I do good frog impressions.
I do new birthdays as well.
All right, I think we found-
Oh, what are these dots?
That's not a caterpillar?
That looks like it.
Yeah.
I like it.
Looks venomous.
We just see David Attenborough to be here
as we look across all these animals that are in the wild.
We'll find him eventually.
All the animals hid.
Every single time I read news, David Attenborough, I'm like, oh, no, he's dead.
And then he's like, oh, he's doing a tour of Antarctica or something
For Planet Earth season 15.
17 minutes in. Let's see.
He's got the juices ready.
This deso has been up for some time.
Yasha has well completed.
Not to thank you, Siro. Golem is also available.
Let's see if they're going to be able to maybe find some kind of an opening.
Storm needs to start the fight.
Definitely does.
That's level 7.
He's got it. At least he's level 6 now.
Over eyes and he'll kick him away try to roll out get some space
But there's the blink and stop at the on-salt by rebounding forward, but dad's still trampled and killed
Not having that fun of a time with a
GPM closing in on
100
If I'm doing my math I mean 18 minutes 2000 net worth that is
It's kind of brutal. They will find themselves the Largo. The day the music died, well that's
today as PMA dies again to planet. Continue their onslaught and it's an 80% win rate for
Vici. These numbers, they seem calculated correctly. They definitely do. BKB now on
Marci, Leshrac, also very close to his VKB needs another 700 gold.
So the damage, basically for the next fight they might have 3 VKBs, 3 9 second VKBs and
most of the damage they have is magical, so they're not going to be carrying as much.
Oh boy, having just the dominated creep to have the extra lockdown on the Nitu, Zad's
next, and that will be a double for Shiro who's now on a mega kill streak, he's
He's been loving this Marci, and this is why he continues to show off with the Zero.
This is basically two solo kills that he just did.
I think if this game ends, coming into the game three, they need to start thinking about
removing this Marci in the first band phase, because even though they lost the first game,
it still looked very good.
The Offlane just didn't get to play the game.
On slide eight, StunCon X releases dead, XM.
It's good for that.
We're continuing to move around the map pretty freely for Vici.
Vici having a very good game.
And they're very glad about what's been going on in the first 20 minutes.
Couldn't find the combo yet. They're getting pick-offs.
With different combinations of heroes and the map is getting smaller,
there's still no charges. It means that God the Juice has not been involved ever since.
Every time they get their hands on some of these heroes on Navi, they've got a violent gift for them.
Vici will continue as they go for the Tormentor.
And the Shard will be there for Blinit! Dark Will will get in that extra Shard.
Of course, Phoenix would have loved that, but that's a good one on Dark Will anyway.
FD, FD lead, and all-all radius can do is just kinda fade out that chaotic offer.
It's a fun thing to do.
Until you click it, until you mess it up, yeah.
RP is one of the more obnoxious ones.
BKB purchased them full for bot, with XM continuing to push the top wave, all these heroes gotta
split up, blink back, and that's gonna be TP out from those Shracks, Navi just cannot
respond in time.
How long until Vici want to pressure in?
Cause they could probably just go for a run.
That's actually what they're gonna do.
Why not?
Not gonna be a contest. Doesn't seem like they're fight ready. And this time around Zayac doesn't have a blink dagger.
Didn't find GPM instead. He didn't find, still a good enchantment.
P9, the extra cast range for his spells problem is he is severely underleveled.
But there's not gonna be that blank kick potentially under the tower into the tier 4s once they start sieging the base.
You just for sure XM top of the net worth
BKB finally there for Dr. Juice is this the time where he's gonna feel effective
Again, one of those biggest issues is the fact that it is just him against the world
And Planet, Shadow Realm, Strike, gotta get another kill and a Riddies
They try to get themselves a shrine, but it still continues to not happen
Man, Riddies feels bored like blank warlock in a losing game
The game is one of the more boring things in Dota.
Shiro, he's gonna be fine. He's holding on to the ages, but...
Yeah, just to go back to what Riddis has been doing, fake bumping, chaotic offering,
whole chatting, like using voice lines,
popping drums, trying to make something happen,
and then going to the other side of the map and dying.
And now he's gonna respawn.
Because this is a team fighting here.
I think everybody who played Dota or who played in a hero like this in a losing game,
It just feels like you're not doing a lot much, you're trying to devour, you kind of want to go for the next one, but there's still a chance, always got to believe.
Got to try and believe.
Problem is, these items are starting to pile up, even if Wok is about to have Ravensvale, TKB and the runaway from Bok, but they've got the fatal bonds to pulverize and the damage onto this Primal Beast will eventually stack up and they get the kill, nobody responding here for the side of each.
Yep, not a bad kill to take. Let's see if they can get something else out of it.
It seems like Vichy Gaming, they still want to take the fight. 4v5.
I mean, if you count in the ages, it's 5v5.
Just what you're saying with the fact that, yeah, it's a Warlock game from behind.
And Warlock's got some good voice lines.
Anything he definitely does.
EQ?
Just avoiding the stun, he doesn't have a lot of mana.
He needs to be very careful, but now out of mana and out of life.
Got the juice to come in with the BKB, he'll pop the egg.
Does it go for more? He's not working with a lot of mana either, but he does have 20 charges in that wand.
He didn't blink.
He's going forward, and now BKB Pop XM stun connects to look for the Terrorize. That hits on Agatha Juice.
They've also got a Largo behind him, but he's not going to be helped out, and well, they'll get the kill on the other three.
So, got the Juice, PMA, Riddies dies, they shut down the guitar, there's no Raptor dancing here for this Kez.
It's basically Beaumont, Utah, and this is the town of Footloose. I mean, music and dancing, it's illegal.
Oh man XM just popping that haste killing the storm spirit and then running away
He did have blink dagger ready, but the rest of the team they were connecting with him making sure that
The spells are gonna connect Bramble Maze into terrorize
And they just don't have enough BKB was popped on Kez to kill the egg
And then he went for more
But that's what happens when you're behind like this right you feel the need to try and extend for another one
And also an interesting thing he did kill the egg, but he didn't get the vessel charge from it
Still learning new things in Dota
It's always a learning experience for me glad I could learn with you
looking for a dito is for shiro and
With that just get the tier 2 tower and I mean honestly just the item progression is pretty simple
Like, there's no back-stepping, there's no back-tracking, everything he's got has had a purpose,
and there's not really much of an answer from Na'Vi to really shut this down.
Not able to rebound down to the low ground, he's going to pop the BKB,
they're going to use the pulverize, and he's going to try and clean up the creep wave at least,
but he's sticking around for a long time? Does XM have a way to stop the TP? No, they don't.
This was not well timed. If somebody was there, BKB did run out
half a second before the TP completed.
If you're the side of Navi,
I tell Reddy's, spam those voice lines.
You're reading my mind here.
Got the juice, tries to come in, walks into a stud,
chaotic off, he's in with the BKB, maybe he's got the depth of the kill to XM,
but he's just falling short, or no, he gets XM,
but the supernova, the terrorized drone out,
He's gonna eventually dive and jump in from Chiro, they'll get PMA again.
Riddies run down, triple kill for Chiro, and E is continuing to just give them a knuckle sandwich time and time again.
I gotta say, every single time there is Largo in a losing game, this hero feels atrocious compared to some like other more traditional offlaners like Centaur where you always have impact, Mars as well.
well anything that can like even primal beasts they have like BKB piercing tools it just doesn't feel
as impactful his win rate is still strong this is a very strong hero but i think just
his impact when things don't go correctly and you have we talked about warlock we talked about
hurt spirit also being severely underleveled if you combine these three it gets very
Very typical for Navi to take the fight.
2-2 tower, again taken by Shiro.
Navi trying to hope to find a way back into the game. There's no Aegis, so they're probably going to wait for the next Rosh.
They want to pressure the high ground. It's probably much easier like that.
And that gives them time to go for the next few items. Is there anything you'd like to see in particular from VG item wise?
Pipe is finished.
You can buy Shard and Phoenix, Marcy going for Basher.
I see the big item queued up on XM, I really like that one, going for Hex.
Because this Ring of Health on Primal Beast that he purchased as his first item is going
to be turned into Sheeva's, he's getting relatively close to it.
Not too far out.
for Planet soon, so they'll have other ways to kinda lock down these heroes.
Xionats and vicinity with the rest of the team, they were able to get the kill on the XM before.
Now they're going for Planet, they'll pull him, that's a bit of a wonder, but they get away with it.
The ball lightning in, the pull to the other side, he has to come across again and, you know,
fortunately for the side of Na'Vi, they don't pay for something like that,
But that is also a dangerous move if you end up missing that communication right there
If they could keep getting these pick offs on side of Navi like punish the mistake
Kez is an insanely strong hero with fatal bonds
post BKB maybe really this can use buyback in one of those fights
It's definitely winnable. I know that's a lot of copium, but
You might have got some of that over here, I mean, it was just a 20,000 net worth lead.
But I respected, I feel as though Navi, yeah, we're joking about Riddies using the voice
lines and in the losing game, what is there to do is warlock, but for the most part, now
you see those kind of points that Navi can kind of make, right?
Yeah.
Vichy Gaming, they're not the cleanest team by any means.
No.
so far the six seven games that they played we've seen good amounts of
mistakes let's see if they can try to punish all right spirit does have a
blink dagger right now going for ether lens which is gonna make things more
interesting when they decide to siege the high ground and you're also gonna
have in mind the storm spirit doesn't die you're fighting close to the
his base this is a lot of the best if not the best zero in the game to be
be able to come back, replenish his mana, and then join again.
Vox showing himself bottom for a second.
A lot of these heroes here for the dire, but they start to leave the bottom lane.
Go through the Twin Gig, Kez, moving around, but Marci's nearby, and so are a couple of these other heroes.
They're sticking towards Topfist, the idea is to go and get this Torm, and they also get Ziads on the bottom end.
Little surprise he didn't get out of dodge quicker.
So they're gonna get themselves another storm.
He's already...
bought their shards, so this is gonna be a shard for XM or Zone Denial in these...
in these fights for...
the Leshrac.
Blank Hex is such a deadly combination.
Leshrac has it...
pre-30 minutes.
Which is gonna be nice, and you said that shard that was just picked up.
Feels really good.
Plus also primal beast because he got that solo kill on zayac. He got level 20
Which was level 15 talent before whenever when you cast uproar you do get to the spell very very good against
Ceds it's very annoying to play like fatal bonds is also something that really annoys you in most of these fights
Because you can't blink unless you pop a BKB
All right, but I'm fortunate Storm decided to go in and Primal Beast jumps over him
They're still gonna pressure the tower they're still gonna go for the tier three up on the high ground
Okay, Zemm will lock her top so they're not here to defend this they have the cliff ready to go, but
Potentially a rescue move from V2 Gaming they I think they saw Kaz
got the pulverized and gotten the juice gonna be taken out right when Roche is respawning.
I thought that we're gonna continue pushing.
Oh, they even fight me too. Even with the Lotus, the silence is there, they're gonna kill the Super Nova right on them.
They don't even need the heroes that retreat from the fight, it's just SHIRO as well as INNOSINCE.
This is insane!
Storm doesn't even have items in his inventory. He did not have magic wand, he did not have veil of discord,
Extra bit of armor and extra bit of stats could potentially save him there. So he just straight up dies in front of the base
And this game might just be over
45 seconds show scary. No store spirit. They definitely have the damage
That courier why not get the extra bit of gold while all this is going on
So much time between now and the Cazen storm coming back into it.
I'm set to axe.
Those are gonna go.
Do they stick around? Do they fake back? Do they smoke, come back in and try to finish the game?
where they go for Roche, both are very much available and especially with them owning this outpost,
there's nowhere for the side of Navi to TP to, they can't really contest this Roche,
they can just get an Aegis and keep it simple and then just go and finish the game.
Take one game down, knowing that they can go inside Roche pit, but they're gonna smoke.
Seems like Navi isn't even thinking yet about going in there,
because he wants to finish off his butterfly before the next fight.
The fake smoke plate.
British again, Roshan.
Just not a lot to have fun in this one.
The jump over with the PMA.
That's super the nap by damage sunray down.
And now they've got the other leech to go after PMA.
Getting the kill out of the Largo.
He's dead for 70 seconds.
Doesn't have buyback.
Kez is nowhere near the area either.
And they can just go back to Rosh.
This is a bit of a newer play.
The team started to do smoke out of the Rosh bit
once they proc the war.
And try to cash them off guard.
Before that, the similar play would be fake back, when you kill the one side of Barracks and then you enter from the same area.
This is such a nice play, killing two heroes again.
Butterfly is completed and got to juice. That's an insane amount of damage increase that he's going to have for the next fight,
but he's going to need to pull off some miracle if they want to win it.
Some kick underneath the tier four towers.
And Storm Spirit, AB if you can finish off the Sheva's Guard, but these are all a lot of maybes.
Got the juice on the run, and he'll wrap your dance.
But BKB gets popped, Shiro is in, has an AHS. BKB early forgot the juice, but they can't really follow the subs, and now he's going to have to quit this fight without a BKB.
So with no BKB, forgotten the juice, life gets way harder.
Fighting into an Aegis is going to be really tough.
They're going to smoke out.
They're still going to try for it.
I respect this play.
Knowing that there's no BKB in the case, thinking that they will not go for this
type of a play, they are going to sit in the base, but they will try to catch
reach gaming off-guard maybe try to find someone who is playing on a different
side of the map using the scan and this scan usage is gonna reveal that they are
going for this type of a play because they're not showing a single hero on the
map
nothing to quite get
yet at least but smoke play from VG juice he's vulnerable
Hot saw it on him, blow the forp, stops the pull over IZ, they've got the catch, Euletka pulls it back, Xiong's then he does that buyback, he's gonna use it immediately, the counter-coffin came down to start the fight though.
Ico slash, first crown pops, you are going in trouble and pulled back through the brambles, thanks to the help of Xiong's, but now that you're just gonna be in trouble, turn to the right of Xiong's again, back up to pulling to the corner, Sheryl, maybe they can get more.
But there's so much damage to Terrorized Lance, the save again from Zions!
They still look over and fight Miku, they get to go to Baku, they end up losing one on the side of Vici.
Lethano Bonds were there, they eels up into the air, and Planet's gonna blink away, he gets out to safety.
But it's Zions again, just getting out with a moment to be able to save the Kez and give them a glimmer of hope,
still holding onto the game at the moment so far.
It doesn't feel like it's 30,000 Network Leads for one team.
If they had like one extra item on two, three cores on the side of Navi,
Like, this game would be pretty even, I would say.
If they could have Satanic on Kess
so that he doesn't have to use Raptor Dance like that
and have another jump in a fight,
but Syus has been doing a really good job.
And this is before he even gets his items.
He does have a cast range.
I'm coming up from the key knight side.
Headband, but no Etherlands yet still.
Nature gaming, unable to kill another side of Barracks.
That's the last one.
This is being one of the things
that they have struggled with each year,
consistent through an entire game and they only lose Bach there it's not like
the worst thing in the world to do is the ages so it might slow down the way
that they want to focus on this game it does give Kez more time but the reality
the situation is Kez doesn't need a little bit of help he can't do this by
himself definitely not he needs stores with a lot of the times before the
fight starts storm is sitting at sub 50% mana so he doesn't feel too
comfortable jumping in doesn't have enough mana to maneuver near the
fights and he invested all of the gold.
That's how she was guard available.
He wants that axe and obviously that is so far away, but maybe if he gets to that point, like you said, one item here or there for these cores, they can have an option for him to go.
He would just, let's say, he's having that good of a game. He has Agatom, Scepter and Storm Spirit.
This game, definitely salvageable. And we're seeing a lot of big items on both supports on Beachy Gaming.
This Wind Waker or Blink Wind Waker, so you have save as well coming out from him plus refresher on Phoenix who is
level 22
Fresher if it can get off maybe
It kill the egg as it's happening gonna be tough. We've seen that at times though where
Focus with the BKBs to just kill the egg and then you lose your life anyway with what is around you
So it becomes a question of whether or not you want to focus the egg and then it's gonna be two eggs
and two eggs make a great omelet, but
They explode in your face if they might believe too much
That sounds so American microwaving the egg
They will explode do not do that
Yeah, you also don't eat thigh pods, but still was that just an American thing. Yeah
I can't, I can't, I can't, y'know, I'll get burned excuse.
Wait, and they are in, shiro?
Ready to go. Banner has been planted.
That's... he's trying to survive, but can't.
He already bought back so he's dead for 70.
Good attempt there with the psychic headband to push him back, but still just couldn't make his way out.
They're not gonna do this without magnetize, they're gonna do this without saves of that.
So they have the load of sword, but now they're gonna try and think about throwing it.
got a golfer down, but he's silenced and he never gets anything off.
That's going to be Kez dead, got the juices gone,
Gigi is called, Vigi force us to a third game.
Well, he took them a long time.
Vigi gaming, they were constantly in the lead in this game,
completely stopped the lanes.
I want to see what happens with this Marci.
I think it needs to go.
Shiro's playing this Shiro kind of perfectly,
and I don't think you want to give it to him three times in a row.
No, no, I think you really need to get rid of this Marci.
You can't be given it away to Vici.
They had a very good game.
They ended up taking us to a game number three,
and well, we'll hear what they have to say on the panel,
and they'll get straight to the point for us.
Take it away.
Straight to the point would be, well, Vici Gaming did a slow
stomp to Navi.
Go next.
Jankus?
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
I agree with the cost that at this point,
Chiro's Marci looks too good.
I mean, even prior to Largo being super popular in the meta
in the Chinese tournaments that they were playing this month,
they were still picking a lot of Marci carry.
So it's something that Chiro is just a specialist on.
And Liquid as well as Vici have shown us
that it's a very good answer to Largo.
Like, this game for PMA was so miserable.
It was not it did not look fun. Largo did not look overpowered and it just it feels like the
The meta is shifting away from it where people are picking these like off meta in a vacuum not that great heroes
but it's so good against the play style of
of Largo that like
Maybe if you're gonna value it this highly, I think it's totally worth banning something which is also a specialty hero
It counters Largo as a hero and also Shearer really loves the play.
This is definitely like in the category of ban it for this patch.
I think it's also scary because not only it's like, oh, it's our specialty.
We're just gonna pick Mercy like slot into a draft for no reason, but you're slotting it into a
Largo, which is like it's counterfeit. So I think if you want the Largo, you should ban it.
Or I think the other option is just maybe ignore the Largo or ban the Largo yourself.
I'd prefer that you ban the Largo. I think it's the simplest.
I mean XM also did very well on Leshrac mid. He had the most hero damage in this game, you know, he
Tends to do very well when he is absolute last pick in a draft
And we have once again another game where he is showing us that like if he gets to make the call and he picks
This hero that he will absolutely perform on it and he gets two kills at the start helps. Yeah, that's a good start
That's a good start, that's a good start.
And I also, I wanted to give, well first of all,
we wanted to give a little bit of a shout out to Shiro and his Marci,
which, I mean, it's very, if you can pick someone's hero
at the very start of a draft, and he has that performance,
that's standout. That's great.
Especially since nobody else is really doing that on the Marci.
But I also wanted to give Gunnar the chance to trash dog Kez a little bit.
Yeah, Kez is having a not good tournament so far.
No, he is not.
There's the butterfly stats I was looking at earlier today.
We talked about it.
Butterfly is not a good item.
I believe that it's skewed because I
think it's 1 and 7 now on Kez if they buy butterfly.
So maybe don't pick Kez.
Maybe you pick a good carry.
Build something different.
Or just pick a different hero.
That's not Kez.
I have no stake in this Kez thing.
I have Kez trouble.
If that hero got never picked again, look at this, look at this hero damage, you can-
You know, it's not that big of a difference, come on.
KT's a bit of a bender for you.
And then that worth is only 2K difference.
In, come on, he's more last hit, look at him go, wow.
Higher kill, wow.
He's like, I can't kill any heroes, actually.
I can't do anything, I'm gonna do creeps.
Actually, he's a kill participation, he was trying to fight.
There you go, set.
That's all I know.
Kez would do is hit creeps in this game until he loses, so.
Hmm.
only had an agg in them so there's a lot about this because but why would you buy
about the flyer that's such a I think the bikini is also a useless item I didn't
really do anything I feel like we're traumatizing that guy by constantly
bringing up the the reddit memes the kez reddit memes this poor guy's watching
please stop I think for Navi they had they probably will stop picking the
kez or maybe they'll create a better situation to pick him in because this
was not it and that's why we are going to a game number three between
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At this point it's kind of tradition to go the distance here with the game number three coming your way Navi and Vici gaming both teams right now 1-1 in the Swiss group stage and that means that whoever wins this game tomorrow will be a match point for advancements whereas the loser of this one will be a match point for potentially elimination.
That's right, a lot on the line here, and we have seen both teams win once, and we're
going to see how they adapted and how they learned here with Gunnar and Jenkins, and the draft
should be on the way momentarily, so I want to know what we want to see different, apart
from Marcy probably being first phase bound, or at least addressed better in the draft
by Navi.
What else?
What's next?
I don't think there has to be a big change, I think if the Marcy gets out, then it's
way easier to kind of progress through the draft, Marcy is this really annoying hero.
It kind of pre-counters the towers, it pre-counters the Shadow Fiend, the TA that we see a lot,
because it jumps on it and just kills them.
So I think if you take that out, it kind of opens up your carry hero pool even more.
Sure, I think they ended up picking the draw in the first game, which worked out, but
I think that was a very close to not working out.
They were losing so the fights for such a long period of the game that if the
draw didn't have to fight on that mars, I think it would be much simpler.
This is very interesting, giving us some insight into how Vici thinks that when the Marcy is
out they ban the Largo, so in their eyes either this is like the only really good counter
to Largo, like you have to counter it through the safe lane, or they're unwilling to pick
Doom or something else to counter it, like they think this is just the best one.
Yeah, it does mean that Ryder's in the pool by the way.
Which they have shown that they're completely willing to take, and I especially think
that it's good against some sort of like lane dominating but really bad at
dealing with you cutting the creep wave type heroes like like warlock warlock
does not deal well with that at all oh my god k oria has completely broken this
meta that it is every one of his heroes and just ban imagine if you were a
hero spammer you spam only three heroes I could possibly not relate of course
And then those three heroes are literally the meta supports. That's mad. How often would that happen not very often?
I had a nickel for every time that happened. That's rare. I think I'd have one nickel.
You would not be a rich man. I don't think I'll be very rich.
I mean that's that's obviously very cool for Kory and Aurora.
or at the same time, they're also really fun heroes to watch
because they are big team fight heroes.
I love team fight heroes.
Like big circles, like Tidehunters, Mars as well.
Enigma.
Enigma.
It's just fun to see all these spells cast
and you just only see one guy limps out of the fight.
It's a five for four.
I don't know, those are always the most fun.
I remember talking to Bulba about this concept
of like the meta being defined,
not by what is overpowered,
up by what the good players are picking.
And I think part of it is that like K-Ori has found a way
to play these heroes in every single game.
And then other teams don't necessarily see it and go,
oh, whoa, Phoenix is so broken, Warlock is so broken.
They see how he's playing it against any matchup
and with any heroes and how his team is comboing with it.
And they think like, oh, this is very convenient.
We can use it early in a draft.
It's not insanely broken and gonna carry us the game,
But we can pick it, which will then let us later phase pick the more important heroes that we want less to be countered.
That's what I think it is. I don't think Phoenix is like busted by any means, it's just that like players like Kaori have shown us how it can be utilized.
Yeah, different theories.
Exactly. It's not just one puzzle piece, it's many different puzzle pieces that fits many puzzles, which is quite convenient.
A ditto, if you will. I don't know if you guys know of this game, Pokemon.
It's a popular game this week.
All right, so we have got those openings that basically tell us nothing with that in mind,
because they fit into so many different lineups.
That means we have to get the information from the bands in the second phase.
We have Templar Assassin and DK removed from the pool by Navi.
My prediction is going to be an 18 terabyte for Navi.
Based on those bands?
Now just based on the supports that are getting picked and I think how the how Navi plays it on too
Yeah, I think that TV is really good versus Phoenix and I think that more luck lines are pretty nicely
And they're just gonna they're gonna pick like some 1415 right now with like just some offline duo
They're gonna pick some tanky hero that buys pipe tied hunter is decent Mars would be good if it was was a bend
Underlord yeah, just that kind of vibe with solid range for I think they really like that kind of style and then they're gonna close
it out and I think for Vici, I think they also just do the thing where they take their carry,
give XM last pick. That's consistently been their best strategy, I feel like, and
terribly usually is pretty good in those carry matchups. That's my bold early prediction.
And Daddy, you know, if you get this prediction right, you know what I'll give you?
What? I'll give you one nickel. Is that why you can have two of them?
That's double. Yeah, I think there's nothing in nickel because Tess has already picked and surely
is feeling the same role of the mid lane. Not if it's Navi. You gotta look at it. Niko
Kez. Is that good? Is it good? Is he excused from all the other Kez? It's different. It's
still Kez. I still will wish upon that team to lose. Wow. No. No, I think Kez mid actually
to me makes a lot of sense because it's kind of fast like it's pretty
interesting here that it has enough region to survive the laning stage
versus all these heroes and I actually think now that there's a puck it's gonna
be a mid-cash a lot of the case players like this matchup puck is really bad at
getting grapple hooked like you just win these trades very easily you don't
need to buy bottle you kind of get these fast timings and you also have
a built-in silence so I actually genuinely think that this is just a
And I feel like part of why they picked Kez, Nix is particularly because they thought the puck was coming out like we in both of the previous games in the first game it was first phase band and the second game it was second phase band so like puck was not an option in either of these two cases so they preemptively countered it.
Wowee! I like this hero. I think it's pretty good against Kez, conceptually, like
he is showing on waves a lot of the time. You can BKB piercing, lock him down.
We've talked about that, like why Primal is also good against Kez. It's very good
against Nix's assassin as well. You can like hunt Nix as he's running around
Invis on the lanes and Warlock doesn't do anything to spearbreaker and lane.
And of course, Warlock will win the lane, but Warlock often does.
Spearbreaker just wants to go behind the tower, grab creep waves, stay low level, so he's abusing his innate where he gets more XP if he's the lowest level on the team.
Anybody gets that, but on Spearbreaker, obviously, you're usually going to be the one.
Now, I will say that we have seen Spearbreaker banned only so far, as we saw.
And I think at least two of those bans were against Vici Gaming, which, to me, says that they have been playing this a lot in scrims.
with success obviously otherwise you don't get into a band like that
so I'm very excited to see this in action finally
as a couple teams definitely have tried to prevent Planet from playing it
Big Planet gives those vibes like the faces we have for, the spirit breaker for
it's the, how do I put this nicely? It's the Chinese 9 class
it's the pause for you don't want to lane with impumps
it's the guy that's kind of like the Chinese 9 class
yeah sure if you want to go that way but I think for him like
He has impact because of it.
A lot of the time in the pubs, they're not going to have the impact of it, but he's, you know,
to go to his void. His voids looked really, really good, even though it's conceptually kind of a weak
laner. They kind of figure out how to aggro the waves, and I think that that is cool.
Yeah, that's really good.
Why is it good or cool?
I think it's a carry, Omni, against Centaur and Lane.
Yeah, I think so as well.
These big beefy boys do not like playing against omnie because you walk up
Hit them twice for a shitload of pure damage between the heal and the hammer and you
Walk back to the creeps and then when they're low enough your aura is going to
Slow them and you're ramping up damage. Yeah, you get the faster where it's basically every
Second that they're in they take extra damage
They take one percent more damage up to 20 percent something like that
And it just makes these trades really awkward in the laning stage because usually the strength off laners are like
I just have double your health
So I just take this trades with you even if we both lose 300 health
You've lost 50 percent. I've lost, you know 30 percent and it's always a win
But when you have on the night not only is he tanky
But he also has the ability to like keep amping up the damage and actually out trade the high edge for heroes
And it looks like Vici is pretty aware of what's happening too because they ban out the underlord
So they know this is not some omni offlane, Kaz carry type situation.
Yeah.
I mean I like that ban.
I think Underlord is one of the most annoying heroes to play against as a spear breaker and Puktu.
Honestly the root out of phase shift is annoying.
You can't play fights as like cleanly as you would like to.
And against spear breaker, you can just put the like the root down and then everyone plays around it and he can't charge through.
It's really annoying.
Well, let's see, they banned out the Faces Void on the side of Na'Vi.
Faces Void makes Kez really hard to play. Especially as a mid, I think you're more likely to buy
Ices of Mid because they're all invoker players, so they're more used to clicking all the
spells. And having to play versus some time dilation just really is unfun. You press
one spell, you mess up the Ices, and then you're like five times the dilation
I still think that for Navi they want to strength off later that was a pipe I think that's the simplest way a lot of them are taken out
Tide is still in the pool it's not particularly amazing but I think it's okay the other one that's kind of cool is dark sear
I think it's decent there's not really a illusion reason to pick it but you have a nix so you have a melee 4 and it buys pipe
pipe and the surge is pretty good you want to buy Lotus is decent she was as
good I think it sets up their team to have a nice like grouping timing man you
want some hero that's like okay having a nicks in the lane yeah just pulling
waves to make shenanigans I don't know if it would fit but I just one point
out of the bat rider is still cool as well definitely fits that fits it's
It's definitely just the pipe buyer, right?
The new meta of Bat is boots of bearing pipe,
I would say is the most highly.
I think it's an incredibly good pick.
I would be very shocked.
I mean, Nick's Bat too.
You get the ranged hero, melee hero, new all.
Bat doesn't want to play the lane.
The last lane of the puck.
Yeah.
Well, they remove a couple of tanky boys
with the primal and the unlord.
And of course, potentially it gives some information away
of what type of carry.
Shiro wants to play in this game and instant Marta lock-in.
So he got first on the lock.
He wanted that, like prior to this game.
It's funny because he probably already wanted the Marta a bit.
For, I'll give a reason, like two reasons the Marta's super,
super cool and good here.
One is, I mean, it's old GA, 100% physical resistance.
Does not work at all against the Marta's damage.
So Marta actually has a way to kill the team
through the Omni, which is kind of his biggest
anti-carry mechanic.
And then two is all the way back,
I want to say like 2023,
I talked with Hastini about this, like we made a lot of plans, Bristleback was really a P.
And Huerta is one of the best carries to actually deal with the Bristle, because
all he wants to do is this high physical damage with Quills,
but you're old to make sure you're vulnerable, so you really don't care and you have ways to
turn him into your team with the Q. So it's just this really good matchup,
specific to your Bristle, and I'm going to give these two nice Quills.
And you're going to buy Silver Edge on this patch as well.
And you like Silver Edge, you break him.
Even the Kez is pretty much all physical damage.
So Huerta is just like a really nice slot in,
And with having the puck coil, having the centaur stuns, the spearbreaker, your team is just really good at locking people down.
So this work, I think, just got better because of the bristle.
Yeah, I think Navi's on a big timer here. I really feel like Omnii Knight in general, we've seen it fall off.
It's like you can hit this Radiance timing where you're running around hammering people, doing, you know, crazy dives and pushing.
And you can have one of those games for sure.
But if this game goes late, I feel like Vici has an extremely well-rounded draft in a carry that
No
Enemy hero is really pressuring at all like how do they kill more though, but I have never I don't think I've seen a kesby really fast
In a game ever, but he won. I think maybe mid-casts mid-cast is a bit better
I'm expecting him to I honestly think you win mid
And I I think if he starts snowballing and gets kills the game can be really fast and then he's a repellent behind him
He can go rush aggs, doesn't get a BKB,
and if he gets that snowball, good for him.
Everyone does sound like we might have
an action-packed game on our hands,
so that'll be a fun one for sure,
especially with BKB on the cost.
Thank you very much.
Coming into game number three, Vici Navi.
I'm hoping for some action-packed,
equal action-packed action.
That makes sense, but yeah, well, you know,
game number two is very Vici-favored.
Game number one was, for the most part,
pretty much 95% Vici as well. Navi ended up taking a couple of fights at the end of the turn that game heavily on its head.
So now we are at this point where there's a chance for both these teams to win this series and we'll see what it ends up being with some action that might be ahead of us.
Kez against Puck. LeCaste, I'm kind of saying it could be a lane that Kez wins. What are you expecting from that mid lane up against Ex-Im on the Puck?
He's one of the few mid players who's actually playing this Kez. He has 70% win rate on the hero.
He did play it yesterday against Andra as well, as well. I also got it up.
He atomizes slightly different than what I've seen from other Kez players.
He does go for this very early Blightstone.
This time around it's not in his quick buy. He also did go for Earn.
Yesterday just to have extra bit of region art is just a really cheap item that gives you like very good value for what you're getting
Like you're getting the stats. You're getting mana region armor
It increases pretty much everything that you need at these early levels
But we'll see what he's gonna be building into whether
He wants to build slightly because you have built in silence as a hero
Let's see buck buck is not very cool. Good got the juice is gonna kill him with the hammer
This is the lane where they have to pull. I want to see also what Spirit Breaker started with.
Okay, planet started with the boots of speed, which means that he wants to pull the wave.
It's a lot of heal. You're not killing this lane. Spirit Breaker is one of those position force,
very similar to Nix's Tassan Earthspirit that doesn't win you the lane. You need to pull the creeps.
You need to give your XP. I'd say that Spirit Breaker is probably the best at leaving your offlaner alone,
Which means that you can still get the xp because of his immatability. He's herd mentality
So eventually you will catch up. Yeah, very difficult matchup for centaur playing against pure damage even though he bought
Two rings of protection. Not sure if this is actually a correct build playing into this only night
Knowing that he is pure damage a lot of the times you will see like one
One, two, if you're only playing into pure physical damage so that you can reduce that
damage we're talking about, maybe some throw rangers and stuff like that just to have that
extra bit of protection from the harassment that she doesn't even like or block it, she
doesn't even have to click you and you can already see the block is really struggling
here.
And you can see that Kez is 8-3 to the 7 and Opaka, you know, taking some damage
heavy on, but Planet, like I said, you want to pull these creep waves, try
bring them over maybe help out fatal bonds in on the wave as well as on the
center got the juice ready at a moment's notice with that
hammer of purity but it comes from my pure patient but they've got the charge in the
hoofstomp even with the shadow word though it will be some kills for got the
juice the trades that you're getting in this lane are like not worth it you
have to commit so much you're using mana for the hoofstomp and then you
to bring extra tangos while they use one shadow ward, one purification, and they're going to be back to almost full HP.
I don't know what amount of remaining here for this Warlock, and then you look over mid.
CS-wise, favoring the kids a little bit. Heck, it's a good matchup for kids.
Let's see if it continues that way, if XM can salvage this in any way.
The supports are definitely two supports that can rotate over and help out if he calls for it.
maybe on the fours in the six if he wants to make that rotation with a charge that comes in from the
square breaker maybe you can turn something into that with indices coming over with this phoenix
there's a fight for the lotus, Icarus Dive, Spike Carapace, but gives up the lotus and now
missing the dead shot still though throwing over these spirits on his eyes and
And...
Oh, burn low, but won't burn down.
Oh, okay, in the world, his PMA...
He's continuing to farm too, so CS pretty...
Stable, I would say. There's nobody who's standing in the off lane with like 5 CS who can't really do anything.
I think both sides are kinda... getting a decent amount out of all their lanes.
Let's say if this Omni-Nex was paired up with...
position 5 that does have some kind of a control either stun or a slow let's say
Chikiro it's a very dead lane it gets very difficult to play it the center
would need to play much more cautious in this type of a lane but knowing it's a
warlock if he can run away he's gonna be a ok
EQ heading up towards the water room not gonna be able to pick that up as
really easy as that so get both water rooms. Very important because Miku he's
playing Kesmit which means you are not buying into Bottle and that's why you
have two supports coming in taking away Bottle, refill from XM who's gonna go
all the way down and still refill his Bottle plus they also use Shadow Word on
him. Charge onto the Snicks Assassin, and Chris Dive with winning that
Impala and a good job there by the supports of each to get a kill and get
themselves on the board for the first time. Shiro, he instillocked in on this, Martha. What's the,
what are you seeing for the next ten or so minutes for this hero?
That's a pretty standard stuff with going for Mjolnir. You'll want to be building into Hurricane
Pike this game. We'll see if Bristleback decides to go for Blade Mail. Nix's assassin is also
very annoying. DKB probably needed relatively earlier and also I think
panel talked about Silver Edge. We'd definitely love to see that one. Very
good against Bristol back in this game and also you can turn him around as we're
seeing right now. PMA. They don't have enough damage even though they have two
fiery spirits. PMA with double bracer. He's gonna be fine.
Kind of seems like you're saying that where they need a lot of items. It's a
hero that does need a lot of items but it's a very good way to game we're
talking about the carry-to-carry matchup where you can completely ignore
guardian angel during your ulti which makes it super in your favor kind of
negates what homey knight wants to do
singing out that arms actually gets it denied three heroes here me as we
approach the six minute mark for that first power rune. The control is going to be very important,
especially XM with this bottle. And they are pressuring into the tier one tower with the
catapult while they hit the six minute mark. It's an amplified damage picked up by Planet.
He gets chased and eventually will be controlled a little bit, charging all the way across
And you can still get that kill chasing planet all the way through the charge and getting that last shot
Nicu off to a very good start sitting at 40 CS 12 denies
About to finish off his power treads
Falcon blade already completed so he can spam it out pretty much playing the
Safe lane kids from the mid lane
Well that's going on, bot is kinda left top so this is a free lane now for got the juice
on this Omni Knight.
How long until Omni Knight is ready to get involved?
What kind of build are you looking for before you start fighting?
Probably Radiance build, just be as tanky as possible.
This hero deals insane amount of damage and he scales really well especially if we
we talk about, you know, he's level 25, so somehow you get to that point with the Hammer
of Fury, extra bit of damage.
You could came over, raptor dancing, or Raven-tailing and getting that kill onto a planet, had to
help both supports, four heroes up in that lane for down V.
It's a stack to take for XM if you can.
Spike Carapace on the Icarus died, they got the Fiddlebond, but they don't give the damage to get this kill onto the Phoenix.
They are still just pressuring the tower and pressuring the lane.
This is quite tough for Vichy to kind of respond to.
Was in a case like the last few games where we had seen Shrine's particularly one-sided, it was one piece this time around.
supports not fiending for experience. You have a spirit breaker currently sitting at
level four, that's what I'll have to get to six as quickly as you can so he can be
that mobile vision and be that impact damage within data. And speaking of
experience, spirit breaker, he's the one who wants to mess the experience, maybe
have his other support be higher level than him and then he gets 50% extra
XB from the shrine because of the herd mentality right now they are invading
Niku with your keen rune
He has been a menace so far
involved in two kills
Off to a really good start on this type of a lineup is gonna scale extremely well into the late game
You have a tricor this will back with seeing red facet
Kaz in the late game is insanely strong, and so is Omni Knight. This is the hero that we usually don't get to see.
I think the first team that comes to my mind to play carry Omni Knight is I would say Pure,
even Bedboom, like during his time in Bedboom, and even Bedboom now with Keratich.
I think this is the team that could potentially run it.
It's a more like Eastern European carry type of a thing that they like to play.
It has looked strong so far they did chase Planet around but they don't end up getting the kill at all
Very stable and lane at least in this matchup not bothered
For the most part at all. I guess the same could be said for Shiro. He's not lagging too far behind this Omni Knight
has that Maelstrom being built and
XM has been in this triangle forming this juggle
He's just trying to find some spaces. It's not been able to really secure the power
I guess he's hoping for at least minute 10 to be that moment where he can get himself power
Pierce the veil dream coil all it used getting in front trying to turn him around PMA ends up dead to shiro
It's good kill to get for beachy and Bach coming over
As he sees this whole creep wave with the blood grenade. He needs to be a little bit careful in pale
Mrs. Shadow where it's on him, but it doesn't quite matter. It's short and you think I think Nick's assassin could use
some extra range on his impale. A lot of the time it just feels wonky compared to
Lion for example which feels really nice to use. But to go back to this Bristleback
against Marta I think, just to match up. It's like you see she's not receiving any
kind of damage which she uses to use the spear to bail against Bristleback. A lot of the
times carries should be afraid that a lot of Will spray especially from
hitting him from behind are gonna start to stack up but she receives
Zero damage whatsoever and ready is this time around drops the golem gets the tower
Not as bored as he was in that second game
Do the classic K where you just drop down the world a gold and get a tower
You can tell he's not as bored with this one. He's not spamming the voice lines walking around
But very happy with the way that this game is going
At least for himself and had used that black remorse to get to level six
This is the chaotic offering he's just about to have himself some arcane boots
And he'll even move this golem for the last few seconds of its duration to push and pressure the tier one bot
So to lift that up, there is some time to put the damage on especially if you're able to save that cart
Could potentially just be another tower
As long as he keeps this cart alive and the creep wave comes in he's got the shadow runes
it's not much to be scared about and
And cool heroes will come in, but with the constant kills that are coming up in the world, there's something you can do to really stop this push.
And that has now opened the map up pretty significantly for Navi.
You've taken out the mid-tier one and the bottom-tier one.
They can continue the pressure. They need Nick's assassin to get some levels.
He's only level 4 once you get that vendetta.
You can play with Kez, pretty much with double invas, try to go for any kind of pick-off on the map.
Other heroes are not easily moved. You have Bristleback, you have Omni Knight. These two heroes, they just want to farm.
They want to farm their items, come online, and then group up.
Top still just occupied by the Omni Knight.
Dead shell ends at a PMA.
Shiro farming back within his own jungle as he walks that tier on tower so he has to stay a little bit further back.
But Riddie's in the vicinity if you're just working on that BKB.
So early BKB is the plan Orb of Corrosion, Valkyblade is this what you're expecting from the Kess?
Smaller items and he's also holding on to medium Lotus.
I think BKB is definitely needed in this game, he's also going to be the one killing the egg.
I would say getting out of coil, which is very annoying for him.
Not the bloodbath and maybe we were expecting.
But I'd say with the heroes that we have on both sides
Seems like a game that's lining up to have a later game bloodbath where it's just constant fights
Question is the timings for everybody who wants that to happen. I almost got this great
But that's the timing in which they're gonna fight
Which will be a couple minutes from now with those couple minutes that you know that I mean it's not fighting
What's the plan for Vici because they got a kind of figure out something without the meeting bottom?
Oh, he's about to be ready for radiance just 800 cold away science again
Dreamclaw committee for the chaotic offering stops the charge from planning and now he goes in gotta be careful
He does have supernova on the Phoenix as one shot from dead a cruise time supernova that comes through box
Got the centaur
Stunning Niku and wants to try and get a kill they've got the silence on the case
They will get to got the juice comes in they've got the
Fiddle bonds on a lot of these heroes the charge attempt away from planet and they're unable to get their hands on the
Sinovichy and Navi come up empty-handed
This looked like a really good fart for Navi if he manages to get raptor dance
But very nice play coming up from Bach
He does have this double global presence
That's his little bro there to make sure that he gets the stun which actually gets to the kill on Kez
You can see a lot of damage done by Spirit Breaker comparatively, obviously small numbers to start.
A decent gold and two kills there for Vici.
Showing that they're not really afraid at this point to fight,
and their execution in that last one looking quite nice, but now is the timing for Got the Juice.
He's got this Radiance.
And he hits very hard.
It's an insane how much damage he can deal.
hammer of a purity being on five second cooldown level 30 level 10 sorry extra 35
damage that you do get it's starting to add up the addition is there question is
can Vici subtract him from the fights and divide and conquer against Na'vi and
multiply this net worth lead
They smoke, they search, they will come up empty-handed in the bottom lane, and Shiro
continues to push the tier 1 tower.
Shiro, straight up going for Silvred, just a Maelstrom for now, making sure that he can
break this Bristol back, because he's going into pipe.
Most of the damage that they do have is magical, Muerta's dealing magical damage
as well.
It'll be very difficult to kill. I mean, he's still gonna be difficult to kill with Omni Knight behind him with Golem.
Zayac, there's time around. He does connect. Silence. Looking in on Vod.
Stampede, two-man stun. At least the start. Got a kill on Riddies. They're gonna hook over. They pierce the veil.
They're trying to go for it. Even with the charge comes out from Platt, they're gonna kill to cut the juice.
They never hook over for this case. Try to parry his way to safety, but that is gonna be three heroes there for the price of five.
Bop!
That was very deep. Very, very deep.
16 minutes in, with Tier 2's tower still standing, they wrapped around and near the Tier 3 tower, and this life was also without Bristleback.
Like, I'm fine with this type of a dive, if you have life to mitigate most of the damage that's gonna be coming out from them.
I'm wondering if they even would have had more success with the Bristle.
Yes, he would have been a tanky frontliner, but you were just so deep that
It is so hard. It's very hard to miss out on that. Yeah, exactly
And their chase potential is insanely strong. Every single hero has a way of catching you
You have spirit breakers, so at least someone's gonna get charged potentially stand beat
Even this like Centaur that he had twice allowed him to get multiple stuns
Really high value pickup
on themselves not capitalizing with the advantage that they had with this move
timing that they had with this Radiance
and instead it goes the other way and Shiro now sits at the top of your network
and like you said he wants to go straight Silver Edge so with that gold
pumped into him after that fight getting three kills
he's only gonna get there quicker
Silver Edge is such a strong item in this meta
I really love that we found a way how to make it viable
Not just because of the break mechanic that was always the part of this item,
but also it caps her movespeed to 200, which makes it insanely strong.
Definitely gonna feel strong when you can then catch them, like you said, with all the movement
that they have and all the reach that they have on the side of VG.
Navi wondering a little bit, go to the blink dagger, forgot the juice.
What is Navi's game plan? You struggled to kind of find success in a dive like that.
You just stop yourself from making team movements. So find another strike on Tizayansi again just a
little bit too far away from his team and inside the presence of Ichi makes it an easy kill. Wait
for BKB on Pez, try to get a pick off, try to get the teamfight going with Golem and then
turned that into Roche. How far away is he? He actually has BKB. Just needs to use the
courier and then you want to be getting that Roche on your side of the map.
Vici can contest though, right? They have decent tools. They have Supernova, Dream
Coil, Pierce the Vale, Stampede to catch up. They have decent vision. They can definitely
contest this race. It's not going to be so easy for Navi. They're not going to
to let it go. So that's why Navi needs to get some kind of a pick-off, Nix's assassin,
is Vendetta only level one at the time, still on cooldown for a good 30 seconds.
Yeah, just get caught with him and then Vendetta a moment ago and there's that BKB delivered
for the Kez. They are grouped up towards the top end of the map, maybe they'll try
to go for Bok again but they need to set up at a point where they can disengage
if that kill doesn't happen immediately. The side of each of your smoke though,
kind of catching wind of where Navi are and potentially expecting them to be in a roche
which they are at. How did Vichy play this? Couldn't find an opening, couldn't find anything
to do with it. Dada? Dada right now, smoke? Because the one who's caught first, so it's
away from this vendetta, the Icarus side all the way out around. Innocent went forward
on that. Spike Harapus doesn't work with that much just yet and it's sent helping
them to look and catch themselves this way. Who pierces the veil? Now the church
coming in across.
The Fatal Bonds chaotic offering.
They get the kill desire to start it off.
Planting gets another strike out, and they've got the Juts.
And they'll jump forward.
They don't care about the dream quote with the BKB on this kez.
So Shiro is dead.
They want more.
They want planting.
Waning Rift, silenced onto two.
Loserior cuts in, but got the Juts, burning out planting.
And they will try to stop the T-Fee of this Centaur,
but can't do so.
So it ends up being two.
But with the BKB and the jump forward from the kez,
he's able to kill off Sheeran, that's your big target.
To at least now get an objective in the tour of the 20 minibars.
You can see the power of Navi's lineup
when they group up together with this fresh with what?
BKB pipe, all the nights with all this heal,
all this sustain, and immediately getting Roshan's science
is gonna be the one picking it up.
So, but then it doesn't fly break,
which is not the greatest.
I mean, there are certain things that you can break in this game, but nothing too crazy.
The Shadow Blade, the Silver Edge, is coming out early for Mwerta, but
as we just saw in that last fight, you still have to worry about the next sense.
Hard, hard order word to say there.
It's a cool one. I really love the wordplay that they did on a lot of the abilities.
Yeah.
When these facets were introduced.
just the XTA it mixed
don't laugh at my struggles please
English is tough. Roshan's on the bottom part of the map right now and they
could try to replicate what they just did try to go in five men strong and
try to force another fight right now it does feel like they don't have enough
fighting into this pipe, most of their damage being magical, and it's going to be reducing it heavily.
Center sitting mid, and hereby the kez as well as the warlock.
So that's looking for something. He's going to be going into the blink dagger. He loves these
mobility items, anything that he can do to kind of jump on or jump out. It's anti-mortals,
well, blink in, use stunner for like spike carefulness when it's maxed out. It's 1.46
seconds. It's just enough for the rest of the team to connect and it's more
about providing control during Pierce of the Whale, Pierce of the Whale, sorry.
Barration, eight seconds. Got a half of the duration, if you can connect two stuns.
And this is nearby Kes. He's just continuing to farm. Got the juice back in
that top spot. Nobody going for Roche, planted charging bottom. He doesn't
really have much health at the moment so he's just gonna charge now thinking about the nether strike
but doesn't commit to it these heroes are coming towards bottom for the side of not be there pure
because they want to go for roche is there anything each year willing to do to counter this roche
But
Enough boy committed to it and even looking to back out smoke
I don't think they can take this fight right now go fighting into multiple vkbs now into pipe
They are on the hunt
Even crystal back alone in the pit somebody needs to help them out
Ends up being got the juice we can comes back the first stages goes the way of Navi
Interesting, they gave it to Bristleback thinking that after seeing the Silver Edge potentially being very close, they saw the recipe.
It seems like Shiro has another plan, this BKB. He said that he needs to come early considering what he's playing into.
Mixed Assassin can be very annoying. Still, I'm not sure if he's going to be able to deal as much damage during the Pierce the Whale as he would like to.
playing into Nix's Assassin, pre-BKB, playing into Guardian Angel, like, sure, you can, the reason why it's not as effective is, like, you're dealing magical damage, but post-Bears to Whale, it's still gonna counter you, and then you have Golem that stuns you for good duration.
And the Nix's Assassin can get a stun. Alright, that's a good result.
He's not the one who has the Aegis, and he's not the one who has the life. They get the kill there and they take up this Omni.
Pretty quickly might I have
Not what you're looking for if you're not being especially giving that ages over to
PMA
Usually you don't give ages to Bristol back like I would be fine if they gave it to
Hitter Kaz
I would rate it all night Kaz Bristol back in that order
Because the Priscilla back is also very close to his BKB and then he doesn't care too much
about what more it does have.
BKB now completed on Shiro, he does have Silver Edge Recipe and he will have Demon Edge as
well in another minute or so.
I don't dislike the audible that he made it go into that BKB and with them getting
that kill and got the juice kind of pays off, he didn't have to use the BKB but
he's able to make it to the silver edge without having to fight with one or the other in a total fight
We haven't talked too much about
XM he's been pretty good. I say yeah, he's been quiet
It's not like one of those explosive buck games that we do see he is playing in the mix assassin
Which makes it much more difficult for him to play
That's why he isn't playing she's not overextending didn't die a single time, but he has good amount of farm
Her husband now finished
Got a couple of shard and going into A on this. I think we're seeing a lot more A on this in general as a second item on the supports as well
Surely yeah, oh man very close and it's it's diseases
You chaotic offered and you don't even get the kill with the vendetta. They were on them and
They they can't kill them Wow
Well, shocked by that.
They had to kill him straight away. Otherwise, it is not happening.
I'm sure if Riddies had the Shulsep already, maybe he was out of cast range to be able to interrupt the dive.
Still probably gets the Supernova off, right?
Yeah, but I was thinking maybe post Supernova, be able to cancel it, and then the Omni Knight could have came with Blink Dagger, got the damage in.
And at 45 remaining on this Aegis.
Didn't get too much out of it.
And now go for Phoenix this time not having supernova, they get that kill.
They're working on Niku who pops the BKB but then the strike afterwards and now he's going to wrap her dance.
He's going to get a lot of life back on that but it's going to be enough to survive.
Looks likely and now they'll find the boys and they'll look for the summer that BKB is going to pop by Shiro.
Turns this on the PMA, dead shot, popping that Aegis.
Ravens Vale up top is Niku.
Two, waiting for a moment to maybe jump back in.
No chaotic offering.
Raptor dance Ravensvale, but the blink in.
In pale, and they've got the coceptor.
He's still alive.
No kills, Iots.
They get the next assassin.
Got the juicers diving in pretty deep.
Bokko not afraid for the moment, maybe he should be,
because he is all alone.
He's tanky and all.
Got the juicers BKB of his own.
They get the kill there on the centaur.
And got the juicers running forward on the sheer,
who doesn't have his BKB, but he goes into the tier
And they look over as they've got the ULs that comes through stops him from hitting those shots out there
Increase time across they've got the silences get the kill got the juice
He's in trouble the fear the dead shot and landed on the need to try to raptor dance
But can't they cannot get the raptor dance off another hero dead PMA drops
Over extending their centaur sacrificing himself for the greater good
I like how patient churro is in the fight. He popped that BKB in the let's call it early in the engagement
He was holding it for a very long time and then also appears to well
He gets it in the end and how much damage was that coming up from him?
It was him and XM
I also like the synergy between the puck and Wurtha in all of these fights because puck is the hero that goes for
relatively early for Osma, which does a
lot of a good amount of damage and it also reduces any magic resistance by 40 seconds
The synergy is nicely with Wurtha dealing most of the magic damage and you see them over extending and again
Not having this golem because they use it on Phoenix in the bottom fight
They would definitely love to have it here drop it on the board
No sector was good, but the chase potential as we said from Vici gaming it's through the roof
You have spirit breaker and a big fan of this spirit breaker go-sector second item. Yeah going that
He can't be attacked you're playing against three cores who are relying heavily on just getting those right clicks
Or just having that physical damage sure there got the juice has
It doesn't get pure damage, but you can't really deal it through the ghost sector unless you're using the heal, which you're really not that afraid of it.
And a fight like that, you know, there was that thought that Puck, if you wanted to go for the A on disc, he felt he was dying maybe quickly to the Nix's Assassin, but the fight where they take it so overwhelmingly one-sidedly,
he now just goes agg-ed into sector 1.
It's one of those things where you feel like, oh, I need a BKB, and then things go really well for you, and then you get another Greedier item.
Simply happening here.
And a break hurt.
This is setting up nicely for a good late game,
because now he's going to get to level 25,
obviously very far away.
But I'm saying he's got the item set up
for where 25 for Puck is going to have that
heavy impact.
Charging, Impale, doesn't matter.
They get to fill those Iots,
and that's going to be a 5k net worth lead.
They get through the Twin Gate just in time.
Got the juice backing up,
and now looking for another defensive item.
BKB, but he wants to get himself Lincoln's as well as a heart
How's it sent to be relatively more popular?
People are figuring out whether they can slot it in you saw 33 earlier today on his centaur being super tanky
They did lose that game, but seems like a very good fit for that particular game
Right, so you'll want to be as tanky as possible the more HP you have the more region you have and then
just max HP as region because this is an item that has been changed and then for
the missing HP you get the extra bit of region.
Charged routine, the spirit breaker, and sentar, so being the spirit breaker. It's
that upgrade of the charge of darkness. Back in the day used to be the
cleaner pocket, but now...
Ooh, that's right, thinking about it.
Charges first, beers the mail, and...
You should get this kill on the PMA,
but he hits the BKB off, the chase is still on,
they've got the damage.
Shiro has another one.
Maybe not the cleanest, but they made it work.
And honestly, the fact that it wasn't clean
hasn't popped his BKB, doesn't work out for him,
and he ends up dying anyway.
And XM, meanwhile, caught by Zatz and Ikku
to get themselves a chin.
They really need to get this off of Ikku,
But Niku's able to grappling hook, he's stunned up as he jumps away, Riddies is off to the side with the BKBB pop by Niku, he needs to get out of this one, Acre is dive and now looking for the workhorse, if I don't get the kill on his ass to take out Riddies who drops the Chaotic Offering, and Niku gets out with a gym.
These Chaotic Offerings, they're not getting them much, like this one.
It's not saving you. They're still spread raker. He's gonna charge you but at least they pick up the gym
They get a good good
Killing a puck a lot of gold
Puck dead for 40 Roche, it's a long respawn timer a lot of time to play with a
Lot of time to get sure up closer to that data was that level 25
He just hits 23 these timings on these levels are gonna be very important for the side of Veeching
I feel like is the next impact spot for them when they start to really
lock this game down and
What would not be have to do to kind of respond because a lot of these fights like you said
They're kind of forcing the chaotic offerings. They're forcing a little bit too much and it ends up costing them each and every time
I want to see Ravens veil like they just did Ravens veil plus Nick's assassin Vendetta
Try to get a pick off after losing good Bristol back
They did not expect that they're gonna be fighting like this so very nice play from Navi
Dead shot.
Calling.
Riddies.
Saved for a second.
Metastrike back.
And a dead shiro now dominating.
Continuing to just put the hurt on this Navi squad.
He's 2,000 ahead of Got the Juice.
But certainly feeling more impact from the Wernitha to the Omni.
Shadowblade for the side of Vici. And now that Aeon disc. So that makes Ion's job way more difficult.
That Aeon disc, you can't really pop that Phoenix, make sure he dies, he has that chance to get the
Supernova off. The fights get harder for Na'Vi from this point. And they're gonna continue to stay
and get more difficult with the way the game is going and the way that Vici is itemizing.
That's gonna be a second Aeon disc. XM about to finish off his. Which makes
it's very difficult for Nick's assassin to play the game. He don't have any ways of dispelling that
and Niku immediately after seeing those online decided to switch to Malafire. Pretty good thinking.
Luckily for him he did not buy Intercrysalis. He did have enough money.
close to the sacred relic but lagging behind he's about as far as the centaur
centaur's pretty much got everything he needs out of this game they force the
BKB from PMA and Rosh is up it's gonna be very difficult to fight without that
BKB, but we'll see if Navi are willing to risk it.
They're kind of nearby, but not entirely omnidot coming over. They're conceding this.
Unless Xayah tries to play it and he looks looking, but never quite makes the jump.
So he'll blink away, but Spike Carapace on the TP quick enough there, and they're actually going to charge over to mid.
Gimmy doesn't have a VKB, so he's just dead to XF.
That was a nice try from Zayac. This ward that he places on the high ground comes in.
I've seen people steal Aegis with this type of Observe Ward.
You do just enough vision, you blink in, maybe you can get it, but he decided not to go for it, and this has been proc'd.
Phoenix losing that hand is for now the next 90 seconds vulnerable but no
bristle probably means that Y is safe. Also Morta with Aegis plus workhorse
behind her it's gonna be a very difficult kill. Imagine Morta getting driven
into the whole enemy team while Pierce the Veil is active. This game could
They could just lose this fight and the game's pretty much gonna end.
Gets driven in, hits him with the Gratata, and then that's it.
That's all you see is just whether they're being driven your way.
Banner down, tier 3 in trouble, and no reaction available for Navi for the most part without the Bristleback.
See if they can make something happen with another Red Deada chaotic offering.
They're gonna TP everybody back.
back, Iku's gonna try and wrap around, but Shiro feeling very confident in just standing
tall.
And there it is.
Here's the veil, driving in, and now he's just gonna go.
Iku's gonna try and get in the backlight.
They look over the client.
They got the kill there.
On to the spear.
They're gonna try to take on the end though.
Successfully do so.
Kaonic offering flies in with the damage.
It's gonna be enough.
She get the kill on Iku.
Piercing the veil.
Looking at got the juice.
Looking for the host.
Stopped by.
That gets committed from client.
He's gonna be charging all the way on a BMA.
But they get the Aegis.
They get that first flight.
here with half his health, except it's taken out by God the juice.
That hammer of purity just absolutely dominating this buck.
With a charge here all the way through, Shiro's gone.
And now Vici, they're left to just buck as well as Planet.
Planet bought back for this, but he was into the fight way too late.
See if maybe they can find him this.
Nullifier doing work immediately jumping the backline,
killing both Phoenix like he did get the egg off,
but it still did go off pretty quickly.
You saw Kez kind of sacrificing himself and also nullifier on the spirit breaker, removing his bulldoze, removing his
ghost scepter, getting the kill, and now we're getting into that level 25 territory for Omni Knight.
You said that his hammer of purity is dealing a lot of damage, just wait until he hits that level 25.
It was a good save, for Moerita, but once she respawns, she's really not dealing that much damage during the pierce to Wale,
and this time around, Riddies finally lands a good rock.
Why is that a little bit more time? And then more to after she respawns, she's just gonna melt.
So I had to do one hell of a work as well with this next assassin.
Keeping the distance, not dying with the carapace. This is exactly what Navi needed.
This is everything they needed, and now they're getting the tier 3 over me.
Still 30 seconds without this Martha, and Plimey went in, but he's gonna be picked up, workhorse, alright?
Saving this spirit breaker just barely.
Who is also in Shadow Blade, like it looked very odd.
And look at the damage now, coming out from this Omni Knight.
Level 25, sitting at 4000 HP, and he's also investing.
He's going for all-in, Overwhelming Blink.
He wants to slow them down, cancel some of the Blink Daggers on a Centaur and Huck.
That's gonna be very effective.
They have three very tanky cores, and finally Navi.
Probably for the first time in the lead of this game after a good 20 minutes.
They are really hitting their stride and it's going to be a battle of the 25 soon.
XM kind of far from that, but you will get more who gets to that point.
He was looking for that data, was backtracking on it.
And we'll see when we hit these 25s, it feels like it's going to just be a quick bloodbath between both teams.
Fights are going to be very fast.
He's only level 22, but he's got this nullifier and you were talking about him wanting it and switching over before he bought that chrysalis
It was so important. It was very nice clutch. Absolutely killing off spirit breaker immediately. Then you can't use your hurricane pike
And discs are also
Very easily dispellable
They were good prior but now
Not gonna be that good up against these nullifiers now picked up
Can't take them all out.
Got the juice, he wants his blink bagger upgraded, he's going to be sitting at almost
5000 HP with blink and sphere and he also does have a giant's wall.
This item with Omni Knight allows you, like the first time he blinks in, I want to see
who receives that damage, like that first hit is going to hurt.
He's got this heart.
Oh man.
Radle Cage, Giant Small for XM.
XM would have loved that 25 more if they got it, so now the 20% extra on the Gunslinger.
But Puck, at least I want to say you've got to commit to getting him this experience, right?
You need to make sure that he's got that, the Dream Corps appears as a debuff immunity.
I think it's so important to the build that he's got going on, but now they're jumping.
They'll get the A on disc and now the workhorse picks him up at the car and backs him off.
Slowed up a little bit, but still 5 stars.
Ready.
Wind Waker available on him. I see that Puck wants to pick up Nullifier as well.
Ultimate laners going for Nullifier. They do know that it's very important to spell some of these things.
Double Yulesepter on support is actually a full Wind Waker on Warlock.
Thinking about refresher as well for the double coil.
Maybe if he was 25 we'll see which item he'd decide to go for but yeah, level 25 coil, potentially
double coil.
He's gonna be pretty big but I think he needs to go with the nullifier, seeing that there
is Yield Scepter A on this, Connix Assassin.
If he gets Spike Carapace three, four times in a fight, you're losing the fight.
That is very true.
Crossbow for Planet. We're using that as we move on. Courier was killed from Ritha and they
took in the Torm now as Shard for Niku. So he's got himself that Kazurai Katana upgrade.
Sounds like something straight out of Mortal Kombat from like Scorpion's backstory.
Do you think we copied like one of the most iconic spells from the video game from get
over here?
That's why we got the hook in Dota.
It's kind of the same mechanic.
What game, well, Lord of Comma came first.
That was in arcades.
I can't try to defend Dota on that one.
We upgraded it.
Ah, yeah, you know.
It was a little bit of inspiration.
Now if we could just add the toastie, that would be good.
Ravensvale, jump over, planet, very, very dead.
And you do see that puck commits onto the nullifier.
So no refresher just yet.
Commits to the nullifier, has the nullified.
If they get the jump at this puck with nullifier, you can finally feel Kez's damage
coming through.
I'm gonna be picking up the shrine. I'll go to 26
Actually five thousand HP on on midnight. That's stupid
So much HP
That is just way too much
Roche another one secondary timer
Two and a half minutes
Let's see how they're gonna approach this they have a shield rune on Kaz extra 1500 HP
pretty easy with the wind waker he's looking blank he's looking positioning to
try and make sure that you knock out buy some time rose level 25 coil he can get
out of the coil he's initiated on but he can also save his guys inside the coil
buy a little bit more time much better game for a warlock this time less
What's chatting? He's only died four times.
You know you're having a good game when you're not dying as much as a five-position hex,
hesitating on that hostop, and now got the Jews jumped in.
They think about the cat a-guffering, but don't commit.
Spike Carrey stunts them up for a second, they'll go to the work-person,
they've got the supernova, they're gonna jump the other way.
No fire onto the next assassin, charge coming in on a PMA, but doesn't commit to it.
Hex from PMA kind of distorting that fight from Vici.
Well, it gets used in the Supernova and the Dream Coil, but they don't find their hands
on anything and Na'Vi are able to retreat successfully.
They don't want to overcommit, knowing that Roshan could be respawning anytime soon,
so just poking, seeing if they can maybe get a kill and then disengaging.
I think that their lineup is very difficult to burst from 100 to 0 unless Merta uses Pierce the Veil
And without Pierce the Veil, without BKB, now XG, by XG, they need Vici, they need Pat out of the base
Merta got the juice running forward, chaotic offering a little bit off the mark
Speaking of the positioning on that, but now Niko off to the side, you need to be careful about this case
Because he's got to amplify damage right for about half the duration
Another strike. Committed from Planet. He's just gonna die.
They jump in from Bok. They look for the stun. He goes into the War Curse. They've got the break. It's out of this case.
But case, they're just not getting the damage out.
He'll wrap her dance. Bok is gone. Got the juice with another one. The hex hits onto Shiro.
And he's gonna be killed off as well. All three heroes have buyback. Na'Vi coming out clean.
Morita, she needs to be dealing the damage, but she can't do it alone.
4,000 damage coming up from her, but it'll only 500 damage in the previous fight not committing with the coil
The others has not been brought
Even if you buy back on this war type you don't have BKB available a Nix assassin can definitely control you as you seen
the question is do you buy back or
Because you still can't take the fight you have three buybacks available and it's gonna come in
They don't need about, they don't know about the buyback situation. Let's see how they're
gonna approach it, Roshan is on the dire side right now. They definitely want to have Shiro
potentially getting that Aegis but I also feel like he needs that refresher ASAP. He needs
the second BKB, he needs the second pierced avail. 70 seconds. BKBs are coming off cooldown
for Navi. Omni Knight needs another 10 seconds. And there's Kazvin Proton on Nix. Let's see
how they approach this. They want to be going in, mid-ease, placing some vision. The
The C's that are gonna be entering the Roche pit, so far it did not see them yet, they scanned
the server board, didn't reach in, but yeah the scan connects, the XM's also showing Sunray,
Hax immediately, XM caught, XM caught! He was there, then he was in, and the A just
picked up by Shiro, but is he gonna have enough damage? PMA in his face, whooping
with the BKB, he's actually the one who picks up the cheese, they're gonna
stamp you to try and escape, but right there with him is Zayac, Zayac's gonna
Find him! So, Shiro!
He needs to get away. The loader's gonna be picked up on him.
They go to the workhorse. They've got the depth to get the kill there on his IOS.
It's gonna happen. So, bye, back!
Do they come in on either here on the side of Navi?
Is there continuing to chase from PMA?
Got the juice moving forward, trying to help out.
Riddie's in, looking, not dropping anything.
And the TP out from Shiro. He escapes with the Aegis.
They do lose XM, but a cheese and a banner picked up for this Bristleback.
They got the other goodies. They got what they came for.
They got the Aegis on Shiro, and he's very, very close.
to this refresher, 24k gold lead for Navi, now 55 seconds of that mix assassin, unfortunately for them
he did not have A on this, he's the one who's actually controlling the whole fight, blinking
gain being very annoying with this A on this, carapace level 20 talent as well, so extra 0.6
seconds on it, so you can stun lock somebody down for almost 4.5 seconds, double observer
Reward got a call for a committed got the juice Lincoln's pops
They're trying to take it to go home trying to keep themselves safe though thinking about the nether strike up the juice
It's just gonna stand his ground PMA is there as well
Gens popped again the calling committed
They take the gold they get 200 gold shiro desperately needing to go to the courier over to the dryer side trying to get himself this
Refresher word. It's got the recipe on his courier. That's made its way all the way over and he buys out on the tiara
Just needs the ring of Tarask 350 gold away from getting that refresher work
It's go time for Navi, I think
They could go in try to poke again see what's gonna happen waiting for Niku to potentially farm his buyback because they definitely need kids to have it
There's the refresher work completed and he's got to get that courier back safely it's going down it might meet up with that creep wave
boy
Now he's got it towards the south, needs to find a way to get it around these heroes to get this refresher
But it's such a dangerous courier movement and Nick's assassin is gonna be right near where that courier is gonna be coming
Oh
That was so close
That was almost a problem
They've got the break and they're gonna go and strike out supernova used
They've got the control and they have the commitment to go to the blue right there to try to save him
Super Nova's gonna pop it, dive, no one's on it, it's gonna be a little bit late!
But they get the Dreamclaw, they get the kill of PMA!
Creepwave's pushing in mid and bottom, so they need to back off, they can't chase too far.
But now they've got this refresher that sits in the backpack while he's got this Aegis.
It's one minute and thirty seconds without Bristol back, they're not gonna be taking the fight.
They can still go in after Bristol back, is out, wait out, until Aegis is gone.
and three and a half minutes for buyback onward to have to come off cool down
got the juice looking for a refresher of his own he's now sitting at that level 28
he is just gonna sit back and farm while they wait for this bristleback
she was being built for a spirit breaker but is there anything else for this team that you think
thing helps them in a situation like this for beachy second coil if you have
double refresher on puck and you have refresher on where to just to keep it in
place with the debuff level 25 talent it's gonna be a lot of them that's
exactly what this work that means just keep them in place so that she can
deal damage shiro he's been seen as I asked needs to blink out no bristle
back for 25. Sure is kind of all alone, Stampede's at the ready.
That's the Arcane rune working. Goes into the Silver Edge, but you're not that safe as we've
talked about previously in this game just because you're in Viz. With the Gem on Nix,
with the Nix Sense, you can never be so sure that you are safe in a position like this.
Omni Knight is moving so slow. He sold his boots, got that refresher that you mentioned.
Yeah, those boots were just made for walking, not winning, and he's going to be winning
without them, thinking that, get themselves a successful fight here up 22,000.
They're waiting for this timing for Aegis to run out, and knowing that they still have
a minute and a half to potentially close out the game, he's there keeping track of
where it does buyback situation.
very willing to sit forward and he's two minutes shy and 2,000 gold of having that buyback
But him as well as centaur and spirit breaker all lack the buyback and now that a just has expired
They found themselves box box. He needs to run. He's one of those guys who doesn't have buyback
It's back up out of the high ground only has to use the work horse doesn't have to commit full stampede to get out of that one
I'll be kind of waiting for their moment to jump in.
Morta's damage is gonna be insane.
Fuck.
Didn't commit.
No refresher yet for him.
He can sell his treads, he can give this gem to someone else, unlock the slot.
Is that the plan for him?
He's gotta get out there and get those items.
a courier as far out as he can. They're still continuing to hold the high ground, and that's
about it, where Navi, they're farming the rest of the map. They've got the statos on
Niku, and they get all this gold to the point where pretty much everybody has buyback
on the side of Navi. They're gonna go over here and grab this Torm, get themselves
some more gold. That's a easy shard now for any. Finally, 52 minutes in. Now everybody
has buyback on Navi. Still lacking it on three heroes, 30 seconds away from having buyback
on everybody for the side of VG, but they are still out of the base and may be willing
to fight. They can find a pick up without having to be in there. That might be an
opportunity for them to go but they're gonna show Shiro and Zayad's gonna move
forward a little bit without finding himself an opportunity to make that
blanking go in. So many saves. That's Centaur Stampede's work course that has
been used so many times to be able to bail people out of trouble. And now four
three two one ten buybacks. So everybody's got buyback.
now it does feel as though this 25,000 net worth lead yeah it exists but it's not
the full story of what we're seeing and there's a PMA it's only under a block of
cheese so in stealing that banner and cheese on the last row she gives him
this opportunity she was dead hey he's gone that's the damage coming up from
Albany Knight, he blinked same thing, just evaporated it.
Samp either didn't go, they haven't committed buyback from Shiro, but they dropped down the Dream Coil.
It's doing no damage to got the juice.
Got a call for him, committed.
People is there, blink forward, XM.
He's going to be silenced for the moment, and they'll buy back on Shiro.
They're going to defend, they can't give up the mega creeps,
while the Golem's going to be killed off-line, it's going to be forward, PMA on the run back.
Keep at least one Rax alive.
But they bought back on Shiro and that might mean that they need to commit to the next
Rosh.
We'll see what the extra timer ends up being.
Not that they know.
And not that they're able to really be the ones who dictate who goes for Rosh.
Anyway, it's another long minute.
Another one!
That's three in a row!
Niku, healing the damage.
They do have Lyft available.
No fire thrown forward, but it does save the half-racks.
Seems like they're gonna wait it out.
Slow seed.
Pal on Niku, he blinks in.
His BKB coming off cooldown is rolling 25 seconds.
Windbreaker on Riddies.
Eventually, to save him if necessary,
even though there is not a fire available.
Let's see how they approach it for Pal.
5-second cooldown.
Zayas ain't a good spot.
Speaking of Zayas, he's almost over 25, so it's Riddies.
This is...
A huge lead now for Nami in both experiences.
Lincoln's pops by Carapace, Hetz, Hetz, Hetz and Semin Troubles.
He's going to be committed, they go to the Super Nova, as well as the Sunray, they've got the Banner down, they go to get the damage down to the PMA, but he's also got that bucket cheese.
Niku with the Raptor dance, up people's down, Hetz is already dead, he doesn't have buyback, he does not have buyback.
They're in for 100 seconds, they're trying to get the damage up, they only get Zazz, they almost got themselves PMA, but they're going to go and cry and get the cheese on it, got the Jews?
The charge is on, the BKB is pot, the charge is not going to be successful, it's a double kill, here's PMA, so I think I'm going to die, I think I'm going to decode, they'll take out Innocent, they're going to knock out Niko, PMA as well as the rest, Bok gets up there, they're trying to go 0-0 for two minutes, no one fires going to be out and I've got the juice, but he is still alive with a little bit of health.
Planet chase back by PMA, Bok's here, XM finally has the buyback, he'll use that as well, but it's going to be 5v4 without your damage dealer on the side of VG now up against Mega Creeps.
You don't have enough without your carry. There's just not enough they bought back pretty much of everybody on site of Navi
On the night he did not die. He's has 10,000 gold saved up buying on the moonshard
They want to check the Roche. They want to see what's happening inside the pit 95 seconds without murder
Glyph still available for radiant side, but they are playing against mega creeps
If they wait for this Roche, it's a potentially a blessing in disguise for beach potentially
Yeah, I think Navi needs to go
Oof that level 25
Upgrade here for the Nyx assassin with the 600 mindflare radius
showing its pretty head
60 seconds, they're not the juice is still sitting inside the big now. He's starting to now he's moving over
TPing from Roche to the outpost nearby, but he knows how slow he gets those moves. Yeah
Yeah, 50 seconds to full minute.
Bok, he's going to be caught outside the base.
They go to the chaotic offering.
They're going to drop it down again.
He's got himself the low disorder.
So reflecting a lot here, he's actually
able to walk away and get himself to safety just barely.
He pops the workhorse after the stampede
to make sure that he's able to get back.
They'll go for the tier fours.
That's going to be the thrown exposed.
They do have themselves a glyph.
But they need to be able to get out of the base.
They've got the stun.
It's going to be a kill on a plant.
He's got himself a buyback.
There's the glyph getting used.
Jumping from Bok.
He's got those.
He pops the low linkins.
Supernova, these golems just hitting, they need to take them out, they don't have the damage to do so, XM is dead, that's gonna be no problem.
And that is going to be most likely the series year for Navi as they take out Planet.
They will get the kill on a box, Supernova's gonna go off, but it's all in Jess, as they will get the victory for Navi, 2-1 over Vici.
Navi, they get the victory, but decision making in the end.
Woof, they seek four buybacks coming up from them
and not going for finish knowing that there is buyback
available, no buyback available on Muerta,
going into Roche, but still closing out the game.
They finally do it.
That was a big turnaround play coming out in this game.
And this Omni Knight carry, he did deliver,
he did deliver heavily.
Yeah, it definitely did.
And that's gonna be the two and victory for Navi.
We're gonna throw it over the panel
and hear what they have to say.
What a game.
I feel like sometimes when a game is this crazy
towards the end. Anything that we say about how the game could go based on the draft is
just thrown out the window because I was told, for example, that later on in the game it was
going to be Vici that would be having more oomph with their draft whereas Navi wants
to get the early momentum going and then the late game happens Jenkins and I don't
know what's what or what's up and what's down, as Kes says.
Yeah, I mean, I will say my personal read on how mid-kesh should do going into the late game was definitely wrong.
Like, the amount of damage she was doing was insane, and I would say probably the same thing is true for Omni Knight.
Like, the scaling damage was quite incredible.
I mean, I guess in Dota, when you get to this point, like, 50 to 60 minutes into the game, people are getting level 25, you're getting the level 25 talents.
That's not really like late game. That's getting into like hyper late game territory where a lot of the heroes that actually fall off
Become strong again and like supports can carry the game
You know like Nick's assassin gets mind flare radius on the night gets like double damage on his hammer of purity
It's just a big thing. It is a different game
And I mean a lot of this was dictated by Navi just making really good decisions when it came to their jumps
It's not an easy thing to do against a Centaur card, but they were able to burst the Maruta and a lot of these fights are insta-kill.
I felt the heart for Omni was really cool. The way that they were playing the fight, there was a lot of, like, eventually at some point, they would run out of juice on Beachy, right?
Like, where it's a refresher, where double BKB exists, and the whole time, kind of, Riddies is, like, channeling the upheaval, he's getting the fatal bombs, there's all this, like, random damage.
And slowly like at some point in the fight it would just turn and I'm gonna get like one hit or two
You just one shot heroes, which I thought was really cool like the amount of damage the army did and I
Did not expect that Navi would have the health pool to kind of survive the
The damage from the Muerta to be honest it played really well around the workhorse like there were a few fights where they
Bursted Chiro on Muerta
But there were some other fights where they would like go in look like they're going for some sort of jump
and then Bok would use the workhorse, grab Shiro, a bunch of spells would get pressed,
and Navi would just run away together.
Like, they played with such an amazing formation in this game,
and I kind of think that they had to.
Like, they went for the Falcons-type tricor scenario,
where they don't really have like a super traditional carry,
but they didn't need one.
I mean, look at this guy's items,
and even having the giant small at the end of the game,
the amount of instant burst that this guy does, giant small refresher, you can blink in.
Can you hammer a purity twice if you use the refresher?
Technically you could, yes. But the chance that I think he eventually did that is extremely low,
I'm pretty sure is more than that. He can be repelled. We can workshop that. We'll
check out the tapes. Yeah, and we'll check out a couple of fights as well too in particular.
One where we still saw beachy gaming and have the upper hand Jenkins
This is where I think
It was before Navi hit that benchmark of having too much sustained HP and they were feeling strong
I think the damage from the Bristol and the Kez is really high at this point
but guys there's a there's a tier 2 tower there and
They just kind of overstay their welcome they keep wanting to go a bit further
But you see the health pools are like chipping down right like slowly as the fight goes on and eventually the pot kind of gets
like Rigo and kills them all but I think as the game kind of developed, Navi didn't ever get to this
like 50% health pool in the fights. They were constantly being healed. Again, I'm gonna say the
heart is such a cool idea. I think that item is honestly really good, maybe a bit undervalued
and the fact that he's like able to buy this heart, take the damage and then keep like
kiting and running away and going back in. I just thought that that was like that item to
to me encapsulates Navi's kind of place out and identity in this game.
Yeah, we're going to formation team, formation, formation team, which also, I mean,
they're doing a special shout out to Riddies.
He only died four times on a warlock and he didn't die that fight.
You just saw because his formation, his positioning was just up here,
but there is a fight that was in particular the fight that put Navi back on the map.
And this one, yeah, they go high ground on VG.
They drop the banner.
They use the workhorse.
Like everything is looking pretty good.
Honestly, Riddie's Yule Scepter had a lot of impact in this game,
waiting until the very end to pop the rock,
which is not often what we see.
Penaling the soup.
Yeah, the soup was very good,
and his team was doing a good job at standing in it.
They were kind of using him as a tower.
Look at XM, even.
Like so slowed.
Also gets hit by a one smack.
Yeah, a stray spiked carapace, and it's enough.
Like PMA doing some kiting at the side,
And Planet knows that he needs to stay with his carry, so he walks to the right, but the carry ends up dying because the rest of the boys were camping to respawn, very nicely played teamfights, okay?
It's cool. You see that, like, the Bristle goes in and he tanks like 60% of his health, then he runs away, and the Omni goes in, tanks 60% of his health, and then kind of tries to kite, and then by that point, BQVs are down, Wyrndolt is down, and then they all like converge in, they get a kill, then they split, then they converge, then they kill, split, it was just like a really cool display, and then after that, the game kind of snowballed.
It is snowball. Navi, Victorious here means that tomorrow they'll be in the pool of teams that is 2-1 and therefore one more when we'll put them into the playoffs.
Now today there's already a bunch of teams that are 2-0 and therefore they are having the chance to make it to playoffs just straight up today.
In those series, we'll come your way. We are going to have a shift of the panel but it is time for advancement to playoffs with Liquid Paravision first up with Richard and the guys.
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Hey everybody, we are back for another game here at PGL Thalakia with Jenny Will, Infernal
from Team Yellow Submarine. Whisper from Heroic. We're gonna give you a very long-winded description
of a hero yet to guess who it is. We will start here. There's a lot. A single spirit
torn between two horizons where the solstice never ends and the Earth itself learns to
to weep both liquid sun and frozen tears
is the bridge across the impossible, leaving a trail
the very ground is forbidden for those who wish to stand.
Liquid sun, frozen tears.
Yeah?
Mm.
At least they did.
I don't write it, I don't know, bro.
All right, listen, you just have to guess
what hero we're talking about, all right?
I have an idea.
Maybe it's where spirit.
Ooh, that's a good guess.
Yeah, I think you were better on the root of liquid sun
frozen tears.
Two things in one body.
Any guess?
Liquid sun and frozen tears.
Maybe Jekiro.
Jekiro.
I think it's Jekiro.
Jekiro, of course you're doing it.
You are correct.
Well done.
I knew it.
I knew it.
And piece of cake.
Go to the second one now.
He has the stack in the air and the laughter in the rain.
A boisterous gale wrapped in silk,
grappling the shortest distance between two points.
An incredible speed.
Sounds like it's up to a second spell.
Windranger?
Windranger.
Okay, first hint is it says he is the son, but that's okay.
All right.
That rain cheater or me the cheater?
I'm not gonna tell you that, that's cheating.
That's cheating.
That's very, very good.
Oh, spirit.
Very good.
Close.
He does make static in the air, but it is not disruptor is actually very close storm spirit so lightning guy
No, he's bush worse. He's funny. It's not super easy also. It's learn storm spirit. Yeah last guess come on whisper
Oh, no, it's not our spare. Well done. Well done. You did it
All right as we go on to our final one a collector of echoes who finds art in the harvest his presence is a funeral
whispered in triple time fear the shadow that grows stronger the closer he
stands. What this could be? Shadows that grows stronger the closer she
starts. Yeah? Earth shaker? Earth shaker? I don't know. Let's be Grimstroke. Could be Grimstroke. Hmm. Hmm.
Oh, okay, and they're tight, huh?
Wow, you sound really confident. Uh, no, no, actually, this is shadow
Yeah, yeah
For the shadow maybe SF. I don't know. It is SF. You actually three for three effortless. Well done
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Yes, welcome back to PGL of the
last year. We've got an absolute
banger game coming up. Can't
wait to talk about Team Liquid
taking on ParaVision. I'm your host
Richard Lewis and of course a great
game requires great analysis and
to do that we brought in two
people that have a combined MMR
of 28,000 and if you were to
And if you were to add mine onto that, it'd be 28,100.
So you have MMR.
Yeah.
No, it's behavior score I have none of.
So anyway, we're not going to talk my hand, brother.
It is, of course, Kensou and the T-government,
the evening crew in the house.
How are you guys doing looking forward to this?
Pretty good.
We've had some couple of good matches, some nice late games.
But I'm ready for the real matches of the day.
The later stages, the evening games, they've got it in them.
I'll be honest, constantly tired.
Don't know why, just want to share that with you.
the finger of dead inside.
It's okay.
I have to be here.
I have to be here.
Love the game.
I can't wait to catch that check.
I just don't know why.
Just for some reason.
I just can't shake it.
Like, you know,
but maybe it's because I'm just not having any real caffeine.
Maybe I just need that little side.
It does help.
Well, look, these two teams might be metaphorical caffeine.
They love to play exciting dota.
So let's talk about one of them.
Let's talk about paramission.
We've obviously highlighted them at great length.
You know, a young team,
They've switched up the coach puppies in there now the authoritarian general behind these young guys safe pair of hands
obviously in mid with with no one maybe
Elderly man at 28 years old in this roster and they're always super exciting super interesting
You know one of my favorite teams right now. Yeah, I cannot really full
Pea vision at the moment, right?
I think sure they hadn't kind of an easy series against Jonathan marine
It's kind of the free win in the tournament no offense to them
but outside of that against Na'Vi, they really had to show their class.
I think the 71-minute game, the techies, the tinker,
I think as a spectator...
Oh, you reminded me of that one.
You might not have been too impressed by how they won.
It's like this, you know, wait, wait, wait, keep pushing lanes,
but I think it just shows a lot of discipline to win like that.
And then in the next game, being able to play on Earth's Fruit Void
and all, like, kiting and skirmish, the complete opposite,
they are just showing that they have so many different ways to win a game.
I mean, I have to say, I didn't particularly enjoy that game.
You didn't, I didn't.
No, no, no.
But like, I was very surprised when I went online to see what the fan reaction was.
They were like, oh, that's one of the best games you've seen in the ages.
Yeah.
Because it did have theoretically an epic comeback.
I mean, it's like, it's late game though.
You know, it always, it gives.
And I think seeing heroes that you don't always have like techies is a hero
that barely anyone really touches at this point.
Same with Tinker.
I think it's like a very, it's a very like player-specific hero.
You know, you're nothing to say it.
And also no one, we haven't really seen him too much on it.
So, you know, just seeing those type of games is very nice.
is very nice and I think also for Mr. SSS who's like the new guy like you know in
their team I think it's just nice to get some of you know those early wins
under your belt even where the early game isn't good so you just get this
confidence of like you know we go through the early game mid game we can
make comebacks ain't no problem and just keep playing and that's what's
interesting as well you know we are gonna see probably some unique picks
in the draft you can see obviously over there on the paravision side we're
talking about the techies and highlighting that but Liquid who will
talk about now they have their own pocket picks as well you don't
I don't necessarily see a lot of cobbles or a lot of dazzles, right?
Yeah, I feel like when you look at that graphic, like liquid, even if they got some unique heroes, they still feel like traditional or like realistic to the meta.
And then you look towards p-vision, and it's like they're being a little bit more like they're pushing the boundary ever so slightly, right?
At least with me, Tinker, re-emerging, I think a lot of teams are going to stop playing that.
We've seen, I think, heroic also play it. And then of course, the techies and even like the huskards on that.
there's a little bit of p-vision flair coming into it, but you have to be very careful if you're too creative against liquid
They will just shut you down like that is like that their MO and on that note
We can take on some potential flex picks that might be coming your way
Absolutely because like you saw it in some of the I think it was maybe like two days ago
Where we saw liquid as well like they just had like this Marcy weren't a double pick
That was very strong and this is not the only one that they go for like you see it here in two different drafts
But you sit in the one at the most top as well with the you know
the Windranger and the Marci together. So first of all, Voxy has absolutely owned on Marci.
Like I would say he's the best Marci right now. It used to be like I would say maybe him and Ari,
but right now I don't really see Ari play it so much. But it's just very good for their draft.
And this guy, like with the pick-me-up facet, there's something about ranged carries or like
these big, needy heroes in the game that have the super high net worth that you can save,
like out of, you know, out of these like very crucial fights. So I think this guy,
when he plays this hero, it's something to watch out for.
Yeah, and you know on top of that there's other heroes as well like you know
There's a logo that can do the same job where you're flexing too much rolls as tiny
There's Beastmaster we just saw yesterday be re-prevent back right as well
So liquid show and some flex that they're utilizing but there's like from the entirety of Valahia previous tournaments
There's like a good pool of heroes that are very scary in how they open up drafts
Well and because it's Team Liquid there is a chance we might see a kez obviously Mickey does like to play that hero
now look here on the desk we've been saying that we've had our own ideas about
who's playing Caswell and and and you know what the optimal build is you'll
figure it out and we were we were up late last night sat around the table and
we compiled our own player Casethealist. Look at Yamich, he made it to beat you.
Yeah we agree that there isn't an FD at Cas right now but if there is one it
would be Mickey I think he's the closest you can see the benchmark you
know that the pub scrub that would be the wagamama down there in you know working
his way out of 1300 games still waiting for the pop-off we'll see but
obviously you can see these are the players that we talked through the
selection guys yeah I mean so I would say Mickey seems to be one of the best
cases I will say that I think with what I was saying earlier I want Nico to be
in the eight year like what this guy has shown me on Kaz and you know he has
different item builds he plays it on it so he should be there I mean maybe
Yeah, it shouldn't really be clear that's meant to be
Satanic and oh yeah, it was a little bit of sorry because we spent so long arguing about it
So yeah, it's fine, but the graphic will evolve over the course. We will you know
We are gonna make sure that we fix this it's gonna be that was like version zero
Like alpha alpha. Yeah, but there is a version one which is beautiful. All right, but at the end of the day
All right, no one's ester make a he's a tier
Yeah, because of the carry Niku he's a tier because of the mid lane all right fair done
After that satanic lad you see on the right side the reason why he's not a tier
He's a beat here because mechanically very good on the hero
And he has a 37 cent win rate on Kez you could argue that's because of p-vision form
They've coached changes the roster changes maybe they're tanking the win rate
But you know you got to apply a little bit of the stats behind their position
This girl and then the detail right Chris because he has one game on Kez
He lost never played it again. Yeah fair play
But like actually got a hand it to him
My guy knew not to go near the hero
You know that was a very clear statement there
Now you had also some disagreement about Niku because obviously he's playing it from the mid and yeah, I think he's like the eight
Yeah, I hear it. I was originally on the initial version
I was thinking he should just be beating right but then after some discussion of Kizu off camera
Probably should have saved it for camera. I really feel that like if we put the the logic of mid lane
He is the best mid lane kids, right?
That's right. I don't know if that's enough to truly put you in a but I'm happy that you know
He's on the right side of the aether if I have a top of B right side of aether
Yeah, but he's not in like the Mickey contention Mickey is like the guy for kids
He's got like the highest skill words. I think like Nico. I like a lot like how he plays it
I think it's more to like the the heart of the hero like get your levels early go aggressive go around and I really like
his item builds like he showed it to us at Blast 2. I think he's the only one that's built
or at least one of the ones that built like the Yashakai, you have some faster cast speed on
all your spells, you go around, he's like early nullifiers, Daedalus, like I think this guy,
he does get it. Right, I mean you know I'm gonna just say like I really don't know overall about
about the hero as a whole because I've seen so many carries picking up and then just not
really do anything with it. Meanwhile you've got stuff like TA in the pool which is 100%
win rate at this tournament which is crazy. This hero is scary. Yeah so you know there are other
options let's say to sort of maybe think about as we head into this draft. I mean it just I would
say definitely looks like to me overall I think Range Carries seem a little more supreme as opposed
to the melee guys like I would say for melee heroes what comes to mind. I think you you have
Ursa, you have Kez for the people that do play and are comfortable on it. Sven and like DK's
I think they're like more for like other teams on very specific games, but like when you think of me the case
I feel like it just it falls off a little bit quicker
I mean you can see it here too like most of the like highly contested ones
It's more the range guys outside of the while the bear and the bird like they're pretty good
But the rest range guys very solid good laning they build good items users happy with them
I mean all the range here that you're showing here also
They like playing into the centaurs the Lagos the kind of like passive farm or offlaners
the range carriers go, oh wow, I actually have to survive the lane.
It's not like they're playing into any type of catch and pressure and kill potential in the lane
because then range carriers would disappear, right?
Then you'd go back to Terrablades and Naga's and Wave Shove and play on good positioning, right?
So I think also you have to look towards what offlaners are doing and why it's going so well.
And Liquid at least, they see the 8 games TA, 8 wins TA, they get rid of it very early on.
But of course, Trian and Lago and Batrider and Viper and all the other fun heroes are all here.
You can't ban them all.
Nope.
I mean, especially also, I like that Liquid at least for now, so I mean, you touched on the TA, of course, looks very good.
Beastmaster, I guess, I mean, if you're banning it from first, it just means you don't really play it, so I mean, I don't really fault him for it.
I think the Marsman is also kind of nice because Mika has traditionally at least in this one, like he's mainly stuck to the range guys, like the range carries.
Mars is super annoying, like both Mars and Centaur are definitely heroes.
You do want to respect, but Liquid will go for the frog.
Of course, we're going to create lengths about the frog.
As always, think about the lane, think about the map play.
Don't just allow him to kind of just coast his way through into the 20-minute mark.
And just like having this high damage can be nice.
I think they're also one of the teams that they could maybe, you know, consider.
Like we've seen like the AA's and whatnot
I think parry are a team that wouldn't really shy away from getting this type of hero
But they did let the bad rider go through I know that SSS at least when it comes to pubs
She's played it quite a lot. I mean at this point if you're an offender you should be able to play this hero
It's not like super complicated. You're not even like looking for some blink glass initiation
You're going drones. You're going bongo boots. You're building auras
It's quite simple and it's super strong and this is nowhere
the debate will be is lago because tofu likes playing it right yeah what happens in the tofu support
lago versus the offline bat rider like we've seen slug picks try to play into the bat rider and
still lose because one dispel against sticky it's okay but like you just get more and more and then
he's still farming not stopping him right so is lago a big enough counter to bat rider or is
it kind of like a bait where he goes there one lick and then you still got two more stickies
on you after you're like i'll say it's fine but also like i think it was maybe even a blast
where Liquid did like some weird lane swap with some putting ace into the safe lane against some
bad right there like I think bad overall he doesn't really care because you just kind of want to max
firefly anyway you can go on top of it yeah and like even so like you said like you can just
skip and farm so like he stops some of your aggression but at the end of the day most
often as if they get gold and XP they don't really give a damn. I mean already when I see
Lago I'm already thinking okay what's the croak partnerships sorry that we really don't talk
about but kind of teams naturally will gravitate towards like Lago plus Razor there's Lago plus
Queen of Pain. When I see Batrider, I'm already thinking, what happens if Liquid get the 18
pick Queen, then you get this like, this damage combo between the two of you. Lago can survive
one area of the map, Queen surviving another area, also rotating into that aggression.
There's kind of things to think about, but I really am excited for like the future of Dota,
where there are more Lago croak partnerships. I can only really list two or three competitive
ones so far, but there's so many more. Any spell damage amplified is going to be good.
people just need to find the heroes that actually like getting that buff.
You know at Liquid, I think they're one of the few that they play a lot of Tiny.
I mean they've done it with the caudals and I think also with the Largos.
I think you had other teams like Falcons a few weeks back.
They were like a lot on the primal with the Largo together as well.
So there are definitely a lot of options.
You were talking, I think it was you Kessie, so apologies for this,
but what about the I.O. Largos?
Oh yeah, you're right.
That was from PeaVision.
I.O. banned against them because they had the Largo,
But no 100% that is a future option that's more towards buffing lago himself rather than lago finding people to buff
Yeah, I mean, I would love to see this combo like I'm not sure again like we said a few days ago
Why this isn't in play yet, but you know, we'll we'll let the players cook
You know give the give them may I think maybe today to get on that route for a second
It's like it's too much of the same thing like lago needs to farm plus eyes helping in farm
He's pretty much gonna be playing like a 3v5
until I come into play unless I have like a lesh or a jar in another lane and then maybe he helps them
We're chasing after but I'm stumbling way too much down like a theory of a draft, but
That's the beauty of the order thing about it. Just get caught up in it. Sometimes I think liquid
You know they get themselves the wind rangers overall very good, you know against what you see bad writer
You've got the wind run against him. You don't really care make you overall
He plays a grid. I mean they could even look for if they want why not you know
Oh, I might see some other melee guy you want from Mr. Boxie.
I don't know if I'm trying to have no complications for this, but that is not a happy-looking blitz.
I was like, the entire time, but to be fair, they just picked normal heroes.
I was waiting for the good...
I didn't catch it, yeah.
Yeah, he was just like...
It's a very normie heroes to be like...
Yeah, he had the look of someone suggesting, let me play Oracle 5 on pick 15.
That's what I was getting, but then they picked Jakiro, I'm not sure.
Just a question for you.
In this instance where they took the Jakiro,
I was looking at the win rates again coming into today and obviously jacquero is quite low
It's about 43 many even lower at this point
Whereas the warlock was sat at about 60 and obviously they are like the two high contested supports right now
So why would you have a preference for jacquero in this draft over a warlock?
jacquero is just really good at lane and killing warlock's good at surviving the lane and shoving it out
so if you're thinking about getting a kill advantage twin gating and
Kind of turning that into more kills you're jacquero if you want to pick
knowing that you're not going to be able to do much in the lane,
you'd think more towards the ballock.
So that's the main difference.
And Juker doesn't have 53% of the lane.
Oh, it's a pompto.
Yeah, it's a 50%.
43% of the lane.
Me is just an overall solid hero.
I think also there's a world where maybe they're thinking more
also how their heroes will like interact with the mid lane later.
Because I think the game will be a lot about Nisha versus no one.
They're both like incredibly important for their team.
So having some more playability there can be nice.
But I do like the rise of Wurther is fair to say.
I think this year is an incredibly good carry seed in a lot of games
I think she's received a lot of good buffs from like the quick draw facet her level 10 talent is her attack speed the hero overall
Just looks very good like you think in the meta and I have yet to see this hero like really get owned in the lane
Also, you see the frog like you'll be fine in this thing. You're not gonna get pressured you both farm
So you're getting off to a good more overall do you prefer the hero now as a carry as opposed to the four or I
Would say it's starting to yeah, I think the best role for the hero is Kerry
It helps that there are a lot of carries that don't like the idea of murder
you know put in the ultimate and go away I can do nothing to you now I have to
look elsewhere so I think that alone gives more to a lot of life and when
you have the offlaners that aren't breaking the map like as you mentioned
ranged heroes the graphic that we saw earlier they do get like a 50 minute
free pass into the game right like murder is very very greedy kind of
like when I see how I think I'm reminiscent like Medusa's or it's
You really need to have Mjolnir plus one like more than that.
But do some he's like man to plus one like I see like 10,000 net worth on a hero before you're truly shining in a game
And that's where the Bane the us for it the batter over
They have to be kind of these
Playmakers in the early game to make moves and liquid they go back for the tried and tested the ember
Not opposed to this at all if he wants to he can go vessel
He can go mage slayer like he can buy all these like cheap items to be able to frontline even a red blade mail game from
the ember that we haven't seen too often it's possible here to stop Martha right
clicking him not too scared of the grip as whatever if he's taking the grip then
when Ranger has freedom in the fight lago is gonna have freedom in the fight
you've also got ice path and frog stomp like it is so toxic playing channeling
heroes into lago because as soon as you see him just eat this little frog
fucker across the map and then he's gonna do stun you so yeah it's the
SheaMill wasn't on camera, he never went home, he actually did do the dance.
We'll get that on the camera later, don't worry about it.
And it's probably saved, there's like some...
Someone's got the files.
Release the files.
Yeah, I mean, Lager, he can do that.
But, I'm not sure if he also hates playing into Lager.
I don't know why I'm going on this tangent, but...
You mentioned you were in someone with your favorite hero, he popped in your head.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would like the... The Emperor's very chill here.
Like, that's the only thing with this hero, you have to think about
What parry can do like later in the draft like on their last big right to like slow him down
Think the other day when you saw the GPK Necro. I don't want to see that like overall
I think this hero has a place but it was a great Necro gang
It was a great night for gay. Why a great Necro. He was just like I'm playing his boss like that's kind of how he played
So yeah, I'll see you need to respect your opponents like there's like slawdars and whatnot
I think that no one could think about but I think ember overall you're quite tanky in this game
No one's really gonna hit you in the face apart from like more to later on also having a dispell with ember is
Super super good because like you know, you need to like silence him get him done. What's about to go? No
I'm cooking so badly, but I'm gonna talk about the hero for no reason
Okay, the old is for liquid or for no one. Okay. Where's death profit?
Where's the old days of you see mid ember you pick death profit?
He wants to rotate you take his tower you do all these things for 20 minutes
Sure, you might become a bit of a bot 25 minutes a game, but then what is like, thank you very much
I should take over the game. Again, here's never really picked, but I've been seeing it rise a little bit in offlane in the high pubs due to
Greaves and that type of build, but no one here is one of the few midlaners that used to play it
But I am really going into the archives on this one
It's also parry we're respecting the fact that this could be I mean that this pick could be anything because they banned the
Coddle and the centaur so like they're like, okay
Maybe the you know, Largo isn't the off lane, but you know, it's just very simple liquid
They just go for a plus four get themselves a line more pick off decent laning you get yourself some burst damage
And that's often just fun right like Largo gets to croak in the mid game a jikiro and even align
So there's a lot of croak partnerships win ranger even can utilize it
You have like the pacing of the supports rotating through mid a scaling of a win ranger
Then you got like this bull timing where Largo amps up the skirmishing
So all of liquid is about good lanes playing to the map keep just holding each other's hands through pick offs and aggression
and now it's a p-vision to
Pretty much understand like how do they want to deal with this?
I personally think shutting down the ember in laning phase is a great start
Yeah, there's because then murder when liquid is online after embers recovered has to deal with murder matching
They're kind of economy of liquid. She's never really gonna have her jungle shut down. So
Yeah, I think just find the mid lane that can out CS the ember or
have kill potential to just do something utilize the aspirate find pressure on ember
I mean trying to think if there's something that like really
Stands out. I mean a lot of the ones that dumps the lane obviously they're banned out
Like while I'm okay with slaughter
I think that's like random stuff that's kind of annoying if you were to play a melee hero for the draft cause you know
There's some liquid fire some shackles some random chains that like get you out
So having a ranged hero that could kind of do that I think would be
kind of nice. I do think it's pretty nice for no one to pick here because I'm
doubling down on death of a lads. Go for it. It's not gonna get picked and then I'm gonna be like
we'll today be the day where the million dollars is another meal.
I mean at least for them it's not like his hero needs to do something I would
say like super specific. You have damage from Warta. You have a lot of lockdown.
I mean it's nice if your supports can play through you but usually if you're
the last pick against some guy in mid you do kind of get that if you had some
you know we've got some solder suggestions some DP what what else does
no one have here he's laughing he's happy whatever it is he's thinking about
he's more like ah puppy man you really want to bring back to 2018 strats 2013
strats yeah look here it goes okay okay they're all bringing out some old
strats. Well I tried being creative but then mid, mid tide, mid tide yeah. I want to find
quirky. My golly gosh I've been delivered. I mean I'm not opposed to it right. Everything
I described for Liquid Signup, the skirmish, the pick-off, the map play, tight-hunter historically
is the best hero against this. You could argue also Kunkka does a pretty good job.
You've just become this like unmovable front lane. Then there isn't really a Silver
buy in too much later for Windranger. There's no natural big breaks, so yeah. I think no
one, he'll exist mid, he'll cracker or blubber off. I like it. Just buy his time for Murata.
This is like some top-sense throwback. I feel like there's no one else that can really
run some mid-tide. I will say that I think in terms of the mid lane, they're both kind
of fine and chill. I think if you can find an anchor later, that's obviously super
annoying for Ember because he loses all his mobility. I'm a big fan of the Murata
overall and I think this is a good draft for this hero but I will say I'm having a hard time
analyzing how good or bad this titan to pick. Well let's see if our casters can do it. We got
one amount on Garth. First of all congratulations on making the tier list. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm happy to be at the base of that. I didn't see where you put an uber twig up there but
it turns out by the way I think we used one of the earlier ones we were arguing about so
we're gonna fix that. Maybe you might even climb you know but let's ask you both just
about this Titan before we get into the game. Like super rad to see it played in mid at the moment.
So what does it do in the game? It's a very interesting curveball here coming out. It gives
them a nice frontline which they desperately need to have someone who can dive in. The problem is
it's a little bit slow, a little bit immobile across the map, but if you can dominate the
Ember and lane, which may be where the anchor smashes, I'm just concerned about the
Flameguard. It kind of hurts even a Titan. Well I guess later on you'll have that in the
water to kind of, like Kezu said, right reduce mobility of Ember and deal with him that
That way somewhat, I mean item build wise, I've got no idea what mid tide is going to go for.
Yeah, there's a lot could happen.
Context, alright, no one, last time we played Tidehunter, six years ago.
He was playing with Ramsey.
He's like, puppy, are you taking the piss?
Yeah, he was playing with Ramsey, with Sumail, with Ziats.
He was playing against Skitter and 33 on mud columns.
My God.
That is a blast from the past.
That was an old ethically back in the day.
So six years, no one, the old man,
has had to dust off some old strategy.
Well, there you go.
Just wanted to give that to you for the car.
Yeah, thanks.
That's awesome stuff, T. Thanks a lot.
Well, anyway, I'll let you guys get into all of the action.
Look forward to hearing you do this one.
Thank you so much.
It should be exciting.
You know, we've seen multiple teams iterate
on these mid lane matchups trying to fan counters.
We've had Monkey King, Husker, Necro.
Back in the day, we had people trying Ursa versus Ember
Spirit to try and out lane him.
Is it tied that same realm of defeat him in lane and then in game?
Kind of. I feel like it has to be more than just about Ember though.
This is not a shutdown Ember.
This is the mentality that they want to have the tempo they can give you
to have a big tight hunter from the mid lane.
And like Kessa pointed out, that shard is going to be incredibly strong
against not only the Ember of course, but even Windranger
takes a little while for it to get rid of it.
Cantrala and her Windrun to just reposition as easily.
So yeah, I can see the potential, I'm just, yeah, this is a crazy curveball and I like that they're doing it in game one.
Typically in the best of three, you know, bring out the crazy stuff immediately, give it a shot.
And is a hero that kind of matches quite nicely into what Liquid we're looking at here.
We know, you know, we know Largo through and through now, that kind of 17 minute aggs into 18 minute Roshul, Tormanter at 20.
You're playing this timing, really, aren't you? Looking at the, you know, level six is online, win range is ready with her items.
Liquid are going to flick that switch around the 20 minute mark to go get objectives.
Tied with a ravage and some aura items, you could definitely put a stop in that.
Yeah, he could. And he could become very frustrating here.
He's going to go for the Vladimir's immediately.
That's like the only thing that's obvious to us.
He already has it in the quick buy even.
This hero desperately requires a little bit of sustainability so he can stand there.
Also makes the anchor smash just that much more reliable.
But what he will bring outside of that, I'm so curious to see,
Is it going to be some Facebook's flabs with an DPS-type addition?
Or is it going to go for a pipe?
Up a blink?
Yeah.
Man, do we need that mobility?
There's a lot of questions around it, for sure.
Already?
Or do we see the old Amar?
Satanic Daedalus.
I mean, he is going up against Nisha as well, a mid lane, who
has played against a lot of hard counters.
Ember against Tide does not sound like the hardest matchup ever.
Considering Flameguard cannot be broken by Tide.
You can just pop that Flameguard, and that will be free CSing time.
because the tide already took a lot of damage from it.
No way to break through it.
This is all physical damage.
And in those side lanes we see Satanic already giving the clicks to Ace to try and force him back,
but some nice lane manipulation to drag the equilibrium a little closer to Talos.
Going to give that lago a safer time of farming.
And just keeping our eyes on that mid lane, yeah, no one getting chipped away at.
Yeah, he's already going for the...
Oh, we have a pause actually.
I could tell from my computer as well, it was also struggling.
We have a nature's like what's good on here? Why am I against the tide hunter in the middle lane? Yeah a bunch of players and
The observer are getting kicked up. We'll head back in
Sometimes servers do this. They just boot you out for no reason
But luckily players on both sides actually remained as well. We didn't have a situation where everyone disappeared to be to
Who's left in there?
Ember definitely kept their mid laner on the side of Nisha. That's the important one
I mean, he's been popping off, right? Getting up the leaderboard of the ranks, getting himself nice and warmed up, has looked very hot this tournament so far.
And putting him on a hero like Ember Spirit, one of these spirit heroes that just creates natural tempo, gives you a direction in teamfights.
In the game in general, allows you to get on top of people. Nisha can definitely dictate the game.
I'm going to be honest. I think Ember is pretty busted right now. He is just insane on mid lane.
I think I would rate him just generically as the strongest mid laner of the patch.
Overall this tournament so far he's been played 10 games 70% win rate looking good
But overall just you know the recent two months or whatever in pubs ember has been the hero
He just plays at the tempo that no other mid hero can keep is that coddle can kind of do it
But he has a massive falloff point later on whereas ember feels like he always just gets stronger and stronger
Yeah, maybe not like first pick material because you do have to ban out a couple of these lame matchups
Right the Oscar and particularly you do need to kind of spend a ban on that
But when especially in this game 18th pick right that very specific spot where we see these embers these parks get picked up when you see
The team against you don't really have that much guarantee consistent lockdown ember has quite a free game to end the fight
So it wasn't like two years ago or something
We had constant just first pick embers and I kept saying like this is so shameless
Everyone is taking a hero that can get hard countered by so many different heroes and picking it first
I'm happy we don't have a method of first pick embers because I think every single player who tried to do that has played against
enough Huskar picks and Viper picks now that they don't want to do it anymore.
And it's not just that, it's like, oh, it's a Huskar and a Lion and a Shadow Shaman or
something, right?
Yeah.
The Hex is undisabled.
This time around, you know, he's going to be looking at maybe a Sons or a Stun from
the Earth Spirit, a Grip from Fog, but outside of that, everything is quite telegraphed
for Nisha to see coming.
So as we have a pause here, actually, I think one of the cool things in Paravision's
draft is that they have four heroes that can reposition their opponents.
They have Merka with the dead shots.
They have lasso from the Batrider, they have the kick from Earth Spirit and they have a sleepwalk over a bane.
So they can actually really pull people out of position and that bottom lane, they have to be very cautious because sleepwalk into a dead shot is actually very dangerous.
So, super important that Ace and Boxy have held the lane so far up close to their own tier 1 so they don't get pushed up the tower.
Yeah.
They're not going to drag any deeper.
Good start for Satanic though, 9 and 2 with Largo there at 4 and nothing.
A double ranged against this Largo is always going to be a little rough to start,
but he's the kind of guy who just goes back to jungle, farms those two camps on the right hand side,
and gets his Akhenoms that way.
This mid-matchup is already looking rough by the way, like salving up now on no one,
not going for a bottle, and the life steal is far away.
If you skip bottle and you go straight to Vladimir's, it's 900 gold before you get Morbid Mask,
and these Flamegards will keep ticking you down.
I'll be concerned for no one here this last pitch might just struggle a bit
Boxy getting the clicks and say Tannock
They get finished off here even through the fairy fire as the more it will pick up the first blood
Ace will trade out onto jacarles
But now he's gonna get forced out of Lane
7-1 charges a ring of regen there
So should be able to stick around at least and not have to go back to fountain
Yeah, it's like that
So Tenecron to deny him walking back to the lane as well for just a little bit making sure he can't find any easy time to CS even with the Bane dead
And finally up top lane we haven't really spoken too much
But this Windranger plus Jikiro lane is very oppressive and EarthSpirit not a very strong laning support
Great at roaming can do a lot with joining towards mid lane, but this top lane should be easy for Liquid
Oh a nice roll there in on Tofu
Get some harassment damage going when that loge is full spawns up and of course once the game develops and the lanes start to
Break down we're expecting this earth spirit to roam around and back and cut waves farm jungle
Get all of his efficient farming without just heading straight into double-range heroes
Yeah, no one you know high-five from Nisha
still low on HP 400 health to get you burnt by that level 2 flame guard and
and sessently.
The thing is, you don't want to buy more salves and more tangles.
The more you consume here, the more you delay your
Vladimir's getting that lifesteal.
So it's an uncomfortable spot for you. CS is looking decent, 14 and 3,
but against the 17 and or 16 and 8 on Ember, who you pick into,
it's definitely not what you would expect coming out from the lane.
And you can even see the intention from Nisha buying this blood grenade early on.
He knows that there is this possibility to put no one within kill threshold and just get a solo kill.
Even the full level 6.
That bottom, an attempt.
And for dead shot, as the play you mentioned,
does push him under tower, but fortunately for Ace, it was angered on a creep.
Paravision don't have quite enough to kill him off, but
once again they put him in this situation where now he's got to make a decision of
go hit creeps and die, or run back to his tower and gather up some more
regeneration items.
Yeah, it's just constantly bringing his HP low.
He does have Trancors at least too, should be fine over time.
Nine class, trying to help recover this mid lane.
And he's sure, just gonna turn and burn.
Realizing he's not under too much threat. We'll gather his water rune as well guys gonna be completely fine
This is what nine class kind of has to look to do though
He can't really produce too much together with a bad rider up top wind ranger is a very hard hero for that rider to go on as well
So he's like can I produce anything mid? Can I find kills?
Unfortunately that lane is not that easy either. Maybe a gate move is to play try and look for the mark
We were expecting Ty to do better in this lane, right and I
I mean, we were unsure.
Listen, six years since last time, I saw no one, you know,
I'm not even sure I saw it.
Nobody plays mid-tied against Ember.
And Ember has played all the time.
I was not convinced when I saw it.
It can work out.
Once he gets Vladimir's, it will be nice.
But CS-wise and laning mechanics
were not wise.
I think Nisha is really sharp.
He's like the player on mid lane
to make all those little plays.
I don't know if we really saw it much on observing,
but he was baiting the anchor smash,
Standing and just microvading it and walking out of the A.E. to get him himself stick charges and not get hit
Like he was doing a lot of little fine details to get an edge on this lane
Top of the last hit so far
I'm up a move bottom with tofu
Wrapping around alongside boxy
But it seems like Paravision have a full read of what's going on with that region observable it off to the far right-hand side
Then the pole they have a small pole
So they're gonna be fine on paravision they can just pull into the ghosts here and not walk into a dangerous area
Liquid are like, where's the vision? They must see us somehow, but that's way further east over there. They've spotted Tofu.
That's a great word by the Colise. Nobody expects you to put an observer that far to the right on the gates this early.
So you see the sentry, they try to de-ward, but he took the time to walk all the way over and put it there.
Sometimes those few extra seconds of walking time is really worth it to prevent getting de-warded.
Tofu, realising you're wasting a little bit of time over there, is trying to come to mid to defend against the 9 class rotation.
but again he's under this radiant vision.
Paravision know exactly what's going on as they zip down to bottle an arcane rune and grab a kill on the Bane.
Foxy helps set that up and liquid guard both of the active rune spots.
Ah, that's nice. You have Ember on your team, you know your strengths, play towards getting runes from him.
Arcane is a fantastic first rune to find.
They're still waiting for that plant on the tide.
Quite likely, they're gonna group towards top and start playing on the wisdom as well.
Oh, the stun reaches! Batrider! It's clipped!
Still gonna just firefly off, track the wave with him.
That's gonna be the ammo of the Bat right now is backfalming.
Trying to cut the wave as much as possible.
No one's gonna walk into Nisha and Tofu as we approach the Wisdom Shrine timings.
Nisha makes sure there will be no contesting here by the tide, Hunter.
We're still holding a point for Ravage if he needs to.
Might see him TP top, because Liquid are amassing their forces there.
I think he might. He might try and join there, but it's still pretty hard against Ember plus the two supports
I'm not sure they have it in them to fight this. Oh, it's really hard
Roll in from 9 class blocked by Boxy, so Whisper's run for Tofu. Now 9 class in the middle of three heroes
Sacrifices himself and another kick up to that high ground
But there is a path through the trees this time for Jekiro to run
So 9 class rolling in there wasn't that he was confused
He just went because he thought he could kick out the opponent and take the wisdom
But there was a nice body block preventing that play
And three of them as well. Now Ace being shoved out of his IE in the barn, he's two ranged heroes
Gonna put the froggies down to slow the advance, put a good dead shot from Satanic
All dragging back in towards them. It takes a while to bring this tanky frog down
And a dive on top of just a damn damage while triple S being dived under his tier one
Micke, Tofu and Boxley stuck around to go over this back kill
And nothing nine class could really do apart from drag the wave to delay the push on the tower
And hopefully he will be fine getting away, but there is power shot on Mikyas
We've seen before on this even with the tangled fast that he likes having this
Shackle overlapping a bit with their hex there boxy quite low health looking to continue this but a nine class haste is gonna get in the distance
Get him to self-to-safety even salving up and chasing after boxy. He knows his low HP might find him here
He's going for this. Hey boxy. How you doing? Just kicked out of the game boxy
Thankfully, they did get the bounty route before dying.
Ah, very nice play by 9-class though, recognizing you go back for more using that haste to maximum.
That's what they need, they need to find some kills, provision of a harder time setting up stuff.
There are creating some stacks at least and preparing, obviously they have Batrider and Tidehunter, so they rely on those jungle stacks quite heavily.
heavily I don't even kind of ways now so it seems like Paragons is trying to get
the farm they can without encountering liquid heroes too much got very nice
neutral item to ship best on the tide hunter is going to be fantastic means to
win ranger I got mana regen on it as well so it's gonna help amp his farm
rate a little bit so good for farming all right no one is right under the
and those of Boxy, who's trying to stack up those ancient camps.
Tanki tied 1,500 health, five stick charges,
Ravage ready.
He is deep though.
He is very deep behind enemy lines,
and with Mikke arriving, all the control from Boxy
and Tofu lining up onto this, no one, but...
Look at the gap.
They still holding Ravage with 10 stick charges,
and Mikke has actually dropped a half health.
This is dangerous with Ducales coming in,
but that stunned from Boxy makes sure
there's no Ravage turnaround,
and then Ducales is the cherry on top.
to call us a little bit late to help him out there,
couldn't really get there in time
and ends up just being a bonus feed.
Very good for Liquid, get the punish on
and not allow Tide to accelerate his farm
by doing this creep wave cutting.
He has the highest CS in the game,
but not worth, he is gonna struggle because,
I mean, Tide is very predictable.
That's the downside.
Ember can be anywhere he is.
Yeah, you know he's crazy, he can dive anyone,
he can kill anything.
Tidehunter, if you see Tidehunter,
he's gonna be in that general area for quite a while.
So that gives him time to bring a bunch of people
and just take him down.
That's a big stack over on the parry side.
Medium camp anyway.
It's already been cleared on that side,
and a sentry ward there as well from the diet.
That's a pretty quiet game for the carries in this game,
as both of them are getting a very nice farm,
been involved in some kills each,
and haven't died on either side.
We'll see if the Windranger or Mert
are going to be the successors in the hard carry
department.
Do you think liquid have enough damage
Once we get into that mid game, dealing with this tide,
kind of tanky Batrider build and Warriter can get into that ghost form.
I think they do. They have a lot of damage innately,
and if they get like a Shiva's on an Ember at some point,
I could see this team doing a lot of damage with Makropire, finger death.
The supports are adding a lot.
That's true.
I guess it's up by the Largo as well.
Yeah, that's always going to be the big question for me.
Like, does Largo hit that pre-20 minute timing
that he kind of needs to be useful?
Liquid, a little unfortunate, just a few seconds slow to contest the camp that no one was farming.
They'll realize there's nothing left to be gained here, so zip away on that remnant.
But now they know when no one is.
He is in that triangle, probably gonna play up to top, and that's what the drawing on the map is from Liquid.
Yeah, we saw how much resources it takes to kill Tidehunter though, so if he's farming in this area,
you're gonna need to bring four heroes and then focus him, it's not gonna happen. He's not a kill, so
Just go and play somewhere else. Right now, both teams are playing a lot for stacking up their own jungle efficiency.
Foxy is stacking up his own. And at the same time, of course, the Batrider and so on, stacking on the other side.
Everybody's like, oh, just looking at the map, Lion, Jakiro, Pat. Everyone's stacking camps.
Efficiency. That's the name of the game.
It's one of the longest, like, unbroken laning stages I think I've seen in a while,
where we've got Tide sitting mid, Ember's playing through mid. You know, a few little moves here and there.
there, but Paravisen really are forcing this extended laning stage which is allowing the
bat and Werther to get quite nicely farmed.
You know a big part why the laning stage is so extended is because both safe lanes were
very strong and when the off-laners are struggling and can't really put pressure on the safe
lane then that will result in the tier 1 safe lane standing and not breaking.
That's usually the first tower you crack in this game.
We haven't really seen any effort towards that.
In fact, Radiance tier 1 tower on the safe lane is pristine.
It has been...
I'm touched.
PSA-10?
Yeah, PSA-10 on this.
Some damage on some of the other towers, but yeah, look, not a single creep has ever gone
to Smash on that one.
So what we're really looking at here is quite a slow passage of play until minute 17, Largo
Ags, that 12-end of play.
Maybe we have some moves towards the Wisdom Shrines at 14, but it's like big items that
both teams really want to get.
Yeah, I think everybody's looking towards their items that they want, right?
Gentleman's Agreement.
Yeah, Largo is happy with this, because Ace wants to farm at the same time, no one on mid-tide.
We see his intentions, now he's queued up the Agadamceptor, makes no real surprise there.
It's not a crazy power play or investment, this is literally just a good fighting item that also farms.
Very similar to a lot of other Agadamceptors.
I kind of like the fact that in recent times we've had all these Agadamceptors replace Radiance builds.
Radiance got a little bit tired and boring now, everyone's buying the Ags.
Honestly, Radiance is just a really shit item right now, I think.
I think it can work on some heroes, but ever since they made it not have a miss chance,
I generally despise the item.
Because you just ignore the Radiance Carrier, kill everyone else, don't have any miss chance
from focusing everybody else, and then you deal with the Radiance Carrier after.
And a lot of the Radiance Carriers are heroes that are hard to kill, as like Abaddon,
Omni Knight, you know, these type of heroes.
Phoenix, and that's super nice over here, all sorts of stuff you can do with it.
It looks like no one's also going to add that Sol Ring into his item build too, so the Vlad
phase, Sol Ring, Ags, you do need that extra pop of mana, you know, you're not going to
have the Arcane Boots for any additional mana regen, being able to spam that Ags to push
out waves.
But it's always funny when you see no levels in Gush and then Ags queued up, you know,
but it's going to coincide.
Yeah, eventually he's going to have it, so it's going to be fine, but yeah,
he definitely needs more mana sustained and when you have this free lifesteal all
time might as well have a soul ring. It's the most mana efficient item when it comes to, you know,
spamming it non-stop off cooldown. It's just about having the HP to do that. That's not a
problem for him. And then no one gets to just sit on this tower now. Very little liquid can do to
repuff his efforts taking the objective. He's pinging it saying, hey, a little bit help here,
we can just kill this tower. Okay, can poke at me as they want. You can see that with the
high five. Come on. Four points in Kraken Shell. Minus 75 damage on anyone who tries to hit
hit him it's gonna be hard and then of course chip vest so you're gonna do more damage to
yourself you're gonna have to burst him with magic damage alone 1800 HP is pretty hard to
go through though.
Now Mr. Blobby just gonna stand there, minute 12 into his rune spawn top which is already
being pre-remnanted by the Ember spirit to go and grab.
So Nisha of course as expected full access to all of the active runes.
You know I haven't really seen Nisha explode towards the side lanes though it's been
pretty far me from him as well he's joined here and there made play for the wisdom
Maroon of course which we will have another one in two minutes. I think that's
when action might start increasing but you're right this has been a very
extended laning stage for both teams. I feel like that's quite often a good side
right? Usually indicates a very similar level of play between the teams, similar
level of idea in terms of confidence with their drafts. Both of these sides
I'm not sure what the tip there is. Both of these sides are happy, content
with going into this mid game. I think everyone having items. I think
Generically as well. I counted a bit of a win in Team Liquid's eyes that you're not losing early on because in general
I think Radiant always has a bit of an advantage in laning stage and tends to crack down earlier
Oh as we have a big dive up top nine class
Looking at Mickey
He still has roll he can get to safety big dive. I say biggest action
We've seen it while he rolled in look at them and then he's like yeah
He blocks the ancient that's that's action right there there stop them falling
That's what they're doing. Stop them from doing it!
It's pretty late to block that at 13 minutes.
I feel like it's more likely Radiant are gonna, you know, open the tier 1 tower, but maybe this is a message.
He's like, you know what? You can keep this area. I'll block your ancients.
Keep it.
No one's going to be thanking Voxy for making some stacks for him over in the ancients there on the other side.
This is aggressive. Going in and stealing opponent's ancients is always gonna rub them the wrong way. Voxy does not like Lazy's.
This was where he died previously as well.
Ace is going to wander over with Boxy and Nisha here to spark the fun.
He does have a smoke coming in from behind and a three man ravage from no one sets up on Nisha.
Gripping the Ember Spirit, Deadshot on damage not good enough, so they turn them Boxy to finish him off.
Bit of a misplay by Satanic there. Deadshot did not push the Lion, so Lion was able to stop the Bane's beam grip,
otherwise could have killed the Ember as well, but he shot up instead of down with the Deadshot.
Well they protect the tide, they spend the ravage and pierce the veil, they get a bit
of action going over in the enemy agents.
So taking a piece of the pie away from Liquid while applying a little bit of pressure, it
doesn't seem like it's majorly drastic.
Nisha still gets a DD rune, the ember of course survives it all, and then top lane
Micae has continued free farming.
Yep, and one for one on the Wisdoms as well that happened just recently, we
see three barterians being picked up, nobody has re-inhabited the Radiant Jungle.
Yeah, bottom jungle's been empty.
Unhabitable area.
Okay, Nika, looking to get involved with his two supports.
A short smoke.
Yeah, Batrider is the targets.
Can they get him though?
Triple S wisely drags the lane under tower.
It's a bit far to reach him,
he has bongo boots as well, mind you,
so he's pretty fast.
And of course, Earth Spirit not too far away.
Could save him as well.
It's difficult to access this area now
and tofu smoke breaking.
Makes it even more challenging to approach.
time invested may not seem like much but when you spend like 40 seconds kind of
staring at nothing and doing nothing with three heroes that's a lot of time
that you could have been stacking or farming with Windranger so failed smoke
still hurts you part of it everyone's ramping everyone's going to ramp how's
Largo doing what's a Largo check? Largo for now he's getting closer 1200 gold
away for that Aghanim Scepter and of course he has the Sol Ring, he has
Powertreads as well we don't always see the Powertreads build a lot of
times, you know, going for the triangles. I think he had triangles earlier, disassembled
them, because we still see the locked ring of region as well.
Yeah, for sure. And hopefully no shenanigans this time. No dropping eggs to pop your solar
ring, or at least do it in a safer position. Not on the lane maybe. Get fiendscript, nightmare
immediately. Still looking at this top lane, this time
though with Nisha. Still can't get on top of triple S. Pops the little bongo boots.
Yes, back to his tower. It's a very cautious game coming out from both
No team wants to really commit to a big dive or anything and that's largely due to stuff like Tidehunter could TP in you're a bit worried
Of course, Ravage was coming off cooldown. Maybe don't want to over commit to fight under tower
But this is you know satanic feeling really happy about himself. Yep, this is slow of a game when you're playing Murtha
That's just a dream. This carry is really weak early on like yet leaning stage is good
But she is very susceptible to getting ganked early and he gets to fund all the Mjolnir and now activates
throughout the jungle. It was fantastic for him.
It really appeased me of like a fragile, a glass cannon carry right there.
Definitely can't get rolled on, but given a lot of freedom here.
And how do we envision a Ctang's game going later, like matchup-wise into Windranger?
I think overall the matchup isn't that bad. He has Mjolnir for some pseudo-fruist strikes already
and it can be annoying that Windranger's super high mobility and Merta doesn't have any mobility at all.
But keep in mind her entire team is good at catching people, Fiends, Grip, Lasso, Ravage.
That displays actuals, yeah.
I think she will be okay in that regard.
I think the important thing for him is going to be bursting the Ember or Lardo.
Those cores have to die and Murtha's damage up, but it's faster than Windrangers.
As we expected, 17 minutes in.
First objective, Roshan on the menu.
And they have no clue.
At least they're not showing any interest in contesting this.
They scan it and they know, so they've got the information, you're right, it looks like they're just giving up on this completely.
Which I mean to ages for Satanic, still easy access for Paravision to get to the Tormenter area.
Liquid, somewhat on the back foot now, with Nightclash rolls in onto the Jikiro.
Really good scratch.
They're so through, it goes for the D-Ward.
Quite a risky play there, it felt like, but not quite enough reach.
Boxing though into the coming with a nice double zap.
Finger of death into the power shop good court class wasn't happy with that
Yeah, nice coms on liquid there seeing that they have a chance to get one kill at least
So not too favorable for paravision, but they still of course have that ages and that will mean that they have an easier time
Taking the tormentor it's gonna be very hard for liquid to make an aggressive move as well as a bottom tower is unlikely to be contested
That's 3k lead build up now
Yeah, they're farming really fast while tight hunter didn't farm that well in the lane against the ember
Ever since he got the Vladimir's he has been very very happy with himself just running around and clearing ancients
Shoving creep waves. It's like that golden rule of doge as a core, right?
Don't die as long as you don't die. You keep your gold. You don't waste any money
Just keep accumulating wealth over time
It's also playing towards your strengths because at the same time Ember hasn't died but Ember relies on chaos
He's the type of hero who wants to do stuff. He's a do stuff hero term that we used to have a lot
But there hasn't been that much stuff to do.
Oh, an attempt on Mickey there, startle in Feeble, but doesn't go for the grip.
A nine-class still looking for an angle, if anyone from Liquid shows, no one was also coming in from behind.
I think Jokali is misclicked. He hopped forward and used Feeble instead of Nightmare.
I think he went into Nightmare and pushed him back.
Feeble doesn't really do too much to initiate it.
What a really scare, Mickey.
He's just a prank.
Is this a prank, bro?
He is going for Etherlands on the Bane, so that's going to help him get those catches as well on people.
Of course, Bane, one of the heroes that benefits most from Etherlands in the entire game.
Four different targeted abilities that benefit from it.
This is where Noa starts to feel really powerful.
Just a couple of spells to shove the wave,
Sol Ring, Vlad's giving him infinite staying power on the map.
He's basically a walking fountain for himself, with that mana draft as well.
Yeah, he has the Aghanim Scepter of course, so he's really strong on it,
but Largo also finished his Aghanim Scepter in a thousand gold to boot.
Ducal is walking in. Might get gone on by Micke and his ace here.
I thought about the nightmare but then Micke, you're right, he's alongside this Lago.
Satanics come in to try and make him middle of this one, Foxy.
Gonna turn with a stun, power shot in. Liquid realizing that they don't have enough firepower to kill Saitane twice.
So we'll give up on it for now.
Yeah, I could definitely bring him down once perhaps if they stuck around,
but I don't think you want to take that risk next to a tower.
Already bursted a bit as well with the focus fire being expanded.
And through the twin gate, just the bat and a spirit.
No, Satanic.
Oh, I guess we need it.
Oh, I guess Murph as well.
I like that they're not overcommitting their moves.
They're letting no one thrive in his element, happy, thriving, just here on the mid lane,
being this sort of blockade for the moves of Liquid.
If you want to access through mids, you have to go through him.
Oh, a temp from Sage Hanok there, expecting me to just stick around a moment longer.
No one is about to have that shard as well once he's got that.
It will get dangerous for the Ember who is not going for a BKB or anything like that,
of course.
He's got Agnem Scepter completes coming up on Courier.
Systematic destruction of the towers though.
Paravision went from tier one to tier one, now on to tier twos.
We're gonna smoke up from the mid lane.
Lion, Ember, very good heroes are getting into the backlines and wrapping around to find targets.
But mine class, their first point of contact, not a core, a support kill, still a kill.
And it's going to at least stem the flow of bleeding and stop that continual push up top, although the tower did already die.
I mean, you get a kill, but tier 2 is a big objective to have removed already.
Parvish and they're going through the checklist, getting the Torm, getting the Aegis, getting tier 2s.
they're doing a lot of damage here structurally to Liquid.
Liquid need to throw the balance of this game somehow,
because I don't even necessarily favor them in late game here.
I think Merta is a monster in late game.
Box is gonna get caught in that top jungle now as well.
He's not out on a migration mission, gets found.
And honestly, yeah, we were looking at this tide
and the question marks around him,
late against Ember, is that countered there?
What's he gonna do?
So far, it feels like the counter has been strategic.
Stopping Liquid, whose draft seems like it was gonna be
very strong within that 17 to 21 minute period and you've said it they just
could not get through Sato for no one tied and they have seen tofu but he's
popped into Invis and waddled away. They're gonna find the observer word
eventually as well they see it now. As they drop the sentry. Yeah no you're
absolutely right the the tide has functioned fully as a blockade of the
mid lane instead of just you know doing some crazy early move or having a
specific lane counter he didn't do that well to shut down the ember was more ember
hasn't been able to find any rotations
it's like some kind of siege machinery yeah also embers damage is very bad
against the tides like at this stage of the game you can't burst is the problem
and I just kind of he sustains through it all with his 2.8 k hpm of
glad nurse scan there for paravision gives the info that was a couple of heroes
lurking on that right-hand side satanic does have a couple of heroes behind him
though so seems pretty happy still to push into that tier 2 and he's got the
PKB now we had to have a single team fight and his murder is already starting
to look like she's prepared for a massive one and a smoke from paravision
We were with a bat rider forgot for a moment was in this game triple S is like yeah, I'm here
I've got the bongo boots alone to solve. Let's go play
Ducales is gonna lead out with a tumblers toy and grip. He's very good at starting out especially on a core
But can't be the only one showing his tofu tumbles glimmers, but they're gonna rip on him. They kill off the jacquero
Okay, yeah, he's definitely kind of fall. They will take the mid tower as well in liquid
They realize they don't have the team fights right now to deal with this as well
Just dodging, finishing up BKBs, but the problem is, even if you get BKB, the still fiendscript
still last so they have tools against you, so sure, Largo and Windranger are working
on theirs, Wind just about to get hers in 100 gold, but there has to be something more.
You have to find a good smoke move, something.
Oh, six years in the making!
Tidehunter med, the chuckles and giggles from no one in that draft as well as the
people they picked it.
Showing off exactly why.
Yeah, they probably asked me like have you played Tide recently?
He's like, nah, dude, he's bronze tier on Tide, you know.
I'm pretty sure that he does have to hold for us this well.
He just doesn't play Tide on Tide.
He's like, sure, how hard can it be?
Just pick it anyway.
It's Tide, you know, but he looks comfortable as ever.
He's waddling around and farming.
I think it was a very successful strategy from the boxy out on the map.
Trying to find a place to live.
We're getting caught here by 9-Class and Satanic.
He's gonna walk under a ridge and observe what anyway to die as mid lane, Miki, Tofu, and tagged up by the anchor.
I mean, they're pinned in the base by one Tidehunter. Sure, Bane was behind them, but he doesn't need to do anything.
Tide shows and four heroes are running the other direction.
This is very oppressive stuff coming out from no one. Keep in mind he's got the Wharfish Eater, you know, the Krill Eater.
He's- he's growing.
I just saw them killing Sofu.
A lickback will get him to safety.
Night class in.
Shacklesaw doesn't like to retreat as the magnetize output dies.
They're micking.
No one's taking a certain amount of damage down.
It's the Ravage up, and the BKB's up for making it.
They chase down the tide.
Liquid, they're able to strike back, defend their ancients as they continue.
Want to do Kha'lis.
Signs of life at last from Liquid.
There we go.
The BKB plus the Mjolnir auto attack damage coming in with a focus fire.
They have continuous damage with the Wind Ranger.
And now we're three dead.
They saw Satanic up north momentarily.
They tried to scan and Boxxy's still hunting.
If they can follow up with a shackle after a first jump, I think they're gonna see Boxxy.
Cloting down river makes the jump in, Hex and Finger can follow with a stun.
Nikkei's coming with a shackle shot to light it up on the tree
and they should have plenty here to finish off Satanic.
Although the flame break pushes them back, Triple S can't offer enough to save his buddy.
What a nice catch right there and the observer barely didn't see the lion in time.
That radiant observer, the vision just cuts barely where the boxy blink came from.
Unfortunately.
Ducal has been burnt down by a double-damaged Nisha.
They're toppling over.
It felt inevitable. This steamroller of movement from Paravision, getting towards this liquid base, taking out all the tier 2s, and the flicker of the switch liquid state. No!
Actually, we've broken the siege. We've broken free. Got through the gates and destroyed all these trebuchets.
Yeah, they managed to group up a lot rights Paravishio were playing split on the map. They had murder farming up top
I think they saw that she was farming top as well before that fight happened on bottom
And they just commit everything to killing Tidehunter and it worked out great for them
Now maybe we will see Paravishion play a little bit closer
Trying to utilize those oldies together
Ace there stepping away from the crew play vision to drop his items before picking them very quickly back up again
Learned behavior right there for sure
Pain is the best teacher sometimes, Gareth, and I think he had enough pain losing that
axe earlier.
I think that's still one of the most resilient performances I've ever seen, having that happen
to him and then coming back in that series, very level headed, especially playing Argo
again several times after.
Ravage still cooled down for 25, trying to wait at the bit on Paravision, all of
them are hanging around our top.
Dead even in terms of net worth.
They quit ahead and kills
Nisha is respecting that there's a lot of nasty single target abilities by the way
I said he might go she was in this game
He opted go for the agonist first of course
But then back for a Lincoln's against the Bane against the Batrider and also the shard on tide
It's pretty fantastic because the agonist on tide makes it so he can't break Lincoln's true
It's a little bit awkward for him
With Roshan respawning both teams gonna be eyeing up that top pit
A couple of minutes until he migrates to his next home, but Liquid standing atop that
regen rune, not just allowing no one to go and grab it, and then we get bogged down in
the water with his no one tide.
Yeah, Tide can lead the way a lot, but he's still a little bit cautious about what happened
last time.
Smoke behind him.
They're trying to bait it almost, but jump onto no one.
Liquid having none of this.
Nope.
has gone all the way bottom to clear out the wave.
They've separated him from the rest of the pack.
The other four though, very tight, holding hands together.
It's a good read that that was a bait,
but will there be in time to contest the Roche?
Roche is going to tell them that it's happening.
This is Mertha hitting Roche.
She kills it super fast.
She pops all three, there she goes.
There's a resplose of liquid.
Ah, you're too late.
Come across for this, but you're right.
Roche is dying so incredibly quickly.
It's going to be the nightfall coming soon.
Power shot.
It flies in, snatches the Aegis, the Dire killed it, making it actually sniped in.
Now they're onto No. 1, Tidehunter loses a quarter of his health immediately, while the back lines, Lyon and Ember's spirit finish off the Bane.
Triple S will last over Lyon now, but Nisha and Mikkei, free reign to deal with No. 1.
Forcing a round, he gets kicked to low, Grammikon get the Grammikon, while Cytanic is dying.
First slide gone, Liquid still five alive with the buyback of the Lyon, on to nine class, they go!
The Magnet Dive's not enough to take them down, and now they've got stun to control to deal with Cytanic.
Shot with shot on ice path to keep him at bay, change the hold her in place
Murta can't move or stick on a target and Paravision just get collected and outplayed
Tofu still dust it can't hide
Too long cooldowns. I
Was really surprised that Paravision decided to take that fight since they used the murta ulti to take down Roche
That meant she didn't have the DPS to go into that fight
Of course as she responded with the ages came back
She did do a lot of damage over time there
But initially she just had to watch her team die because she was 50% HP and without ulti
Massive for liquid getting the kill on Roche sniping the aegis making sure that satanic doesn't have that second life for the ensuing push
And obviously the team fight victory overall
Yeah, this is this is very nice liquid now in a spot where they can fight back a bit
And the aegis of course was taken down as well. It's that bit of an advantage. She's gone
Got themselves quite a bit of gold as well, the Murta may be leading the way but the Ember
and Windranger are both looking really farmed.
I'm surprised by Nisha's level of gold actually.
There's been a falling game, haven't I?
Ever getting that creep?
I think it's what we said earlier.
He hasn't died.
Five, zero, eight.
Sure, his CS is sitting at 317 as well which isn't bad at all on Ember but never
dying.
Good recipe. And same for Mika. Hasn't died once, the two of them in this game.
Yeah, we saw the challenges for no one there. Even though he is this big, blobbery, beefy guy with a big teamfight ulti.
If the BKB's up for liquid, he can't really just cast it on support, so he gets kind of drifted around by his own support.
Earthspirit out of position. Kind of hard for him to stick on a target and do something.
You know, his job has been push lanes, get big, apply pressure.
I think one thing that also strikes me as a little bit surprising is that they have no pipe on their team, right?
They went for this Lotus Orb over on
Batrider, which means they have no pipe against the Ember damage and look at all the magic damage Largo agonins
By itself can warrant having a pipe. So yeah, the burst is very very fast from liquid
Foxy, we're gonna go for another one here, a 3B on mine class
the Revenant's brooch too? Two of them. More damage. That's a nice itemization against Tidehunter,
realizing that, okay, I want to have some magic damage to go through all that damage block.
Actually this Tormentor is a bit questionable with the three of them. Gonna wait for Largo,
he's coming in to heal. Meanwhile we have Paravision smoking and moving across the field.
They're hoping to find somebody going alone, as they see Tormentor dying, they know what's up.
I've seen Nisha, but this has to be executed perfectly, he's already slited and reneged
through them.
Yeah, Ducalus got revealed to Slider Fist.
You can reveal heroes in smoke with Slider Fist since it moves your hero forward and
that can always be tricky to smokeank.
Ember is a hard one to connect on, especially with the Lincoln spirit.
Absolutely.
Maybe the instant Lincoln's pop and then the stun to follow is very, very hard.
I do have this observer ward here that Ducalus is playing on though that's
already been pinged out by Liquid. They know there's vision in the area and I
don't know if Parry can stick around and defend it. Yeah I think they're gonna creep
up by a deward leading with the ember, following us behind him as well. So
what's the approach from Parry vision now? Because it feels like they've started
dragging their feet they're not quite sure how to approach this. I think
they need to they need to enable Murta somehow and I think the item in
Quick buy that she has the blink dagger after link it's I think that blink is
Insanely important so that they can actually burst windranger or key targets during the disables right now
We struggle with the classic murder problem low mobility so it's hold tight stay with the murder
Yeah, yeah, you have to positional play here liquid are very good at hiding around the outskirts of the fight though
Yeah, they're wrapping around all the way as well
This is what we've seen from liquid many times before as well always going for those long sweeping maneuvers
Process of elimination, they're not here, they're not there, up the staircase, anyone here?
Hello to Carlos, immediate BKB from Mikkei, and a blow-up on the Bane for the Lassos in from Triple S, dragging Mikkei in.
No one's gonna go with the ravage now, gets the stun down on the Windranger as they try to pump down and get the Mikkei and Triple S gets it done.
TP out, there's bail time, get the hell out of here, they got one kill but they realize they've got nothing left in the tank now.
Bane down and no one being chased.
Anxion, Nisha should have this one in the bag.
Drag him back in with a link and a kick and a finishing touch from Nisha, while my class is going to roll up off the map and try and kick his way out of this one.
But with Boxy and Tofu's control and damage, we should be able to click him down eventually. Another roll.
It's B sneaky, but not being pushed far enough, trying to do the edge map replacement technique there, but not really working out for him.
for him. Good catch play, two supports. And yeah, ultimately we saw Mertah burst, you know,
make it very quickly there, but then she just had to tap out and say, I'm done guys, I'm
out. And they committed all their resources to killing the Windranger.
Make it just go, congrats, you got me, I guess. Yeah, good job guys.
Yeah, ultimately, they're going to be very happy without a fight as well, Liquid having
multiple threats. I think that's the difference right now. Mertah, yes, she's super strong,
the strongest on the field, but there are three cores that all deal a ton of damage
on the side of the liquid.
Boxy here to protect ace.
Nightmare transfer.
All frogs put on the floor into Carlos.
Might drag them into a bait here,
but Nisha with another double damage rune
make short work of him.
He's almost gotten refresher on Nisha as well,
so he already is jumping around so much.
He's gonna get close to 13 jump,
so whatever we had yesterday.
They're gonna leap the tower for now, not overextending, even though Bane is dead, this
is valuable farming time still for them.
I think Liquid have no concern at this stage of the game.
I generally said that I think I would favor Paravision in late game overall, but with
the state of the game and how it's progressing, it looks really nice for Liquid to just
drag it out even more.
Yeah, I mean it generally feels like every hero on Liquid has a job role which they can accomplish in this game.
Whereas, for example, Boxy obviously can jump in and Hex start a fight, Lichiro's got tons of damage.
I just don't feel that from the Earth Spirit and the Bane, they're getting grip cancelled out.
This Earth Spirit's kind of rolling in and sacrificing and dying.
I think that's the difference between Tide and Ember to be honest,
because Ember's diving in and causing complete chaos on the backline,
whereas we don't really see Tidehunter doing the same.
Tidehunter is big and he's blocky, he's hard to focus, but they just left him for last, they've killed him last.
As long as they don't focus him early, I think they're gonna be completely fine.
And the supports, like you mentioned, have a much easier time on the side of Liquid to do what they want.
Smoke up coming out.
Another move.
This is with the refresher.
Another rune for Nisha.
I mean, again, it feels like he's hit every single active rune in this game.
You know, if you count multiple DDs, multiple R-games.
Yeah.
Another Inva's rune for him now as they approach this middle tier too.
See the tide but that's not the hero they want, looking for somebody else, especially when he's standing under tower.
If he goes too far out, they might commit the windrunner ulti on him though.
They're thinking about it.
Gushes and shows himself by blinking into the wave, the damage is so quick, no one just gets fingered down.
In my class he's got to run.
Stuck on the high ground and he's just going to scout them out with a long remnant Invo.
Sees the everthread on the high ground and another kill for Liquid.
Fantastic execution there by them and Parvus didn't even have time to blink. There's nothing to react to that.
This was supposed to be your tanky hero, the one that can't be killed. He died in what, four seconds or something?
So quickly.
Also, they're going for three Lincoln Spheres on the side of Liquid. It's going to be very, very hard for them to go through all this.
Largo is about to complete his, not long from now. Windranger, I believe, has hers on the courier coming out.
And all these single target abilities, my Batrider, your job is gonna be so difficult.
Triple S, just gonna wrap something, pop the firefly on the drums, doesn't go blinking in.
They're just gonna come back and return fire on the tower.
Just sit behind the windranger, let her safely push this.
And this time they're gonna be the ones in control of the Roche area.
First two Roche went the way of paravision.
actually they got lasted last time I guess with the power shot so technically it
was liquid thrush
preparation they are basically stuck in their in their base right now thinking
how do they get out and make a progression progression move here
it's very difficult to find especially now we're seeing that jacquero was like
12,000 that worth and topu's gonna have agonimceptor delivered on
on Korea momentarily.
They're curing up Professor on Tide.
I think that might be the solution.
If you ever get a jump before BKB, double ravage,
kill people off quickly.
This could be spicy, liquid in position.
There's a jump from no one, triple ravage.
They found Mickey, but he breaks free.
BKB, Alvy goes, eight.
They're gonna sing his song and dance,
try and keep them running while Nietzsche dives
on Dukales, looking for the bait in the back,
while Triple S is focused by Mickey,
back right or down.
And Dukales in trouble as well.
No one with no Ravage has nothing left to give, so he's just gonna get followed through on by Nisha and the boys.
I mean, that...
And Boxy, he got 1-4?
That's the best you can hope for!
A blank triple Ravage given the vision and the position you're in, a smoke tank move, and then STILL you fall short!
It's pretty tough though.
Triple Ravage?
But what ability is supposed to follow up? Think about it.
Where's Marja?
Three heroes are stacked on each other.
They don't have any-
Hey, we stuns to finish and punish that, right?
They don't have a splitter, or if there's something like that to continue,
There's no Fissure, so if he didn't catch us three, that's why they need refresher. He needs to do it again
Just to allow Satanic to get there in time
Yeah, this is looking really grim for paravision for a while
They were very dominant across the map, but I think liquid they weathered the storm
And now they have gone to the easy cruising part of the game. Yeah, you're trying to drag waves with couriers now
You know you're in a deep deep ditch
level 25 on the ember as well so you will have those remnants restoring a lot faster
most of the level 25 on Largo and Windranger as well at least Largo
yeah I think Liquid are shaking off all of the fears and worries about this Tidehunter last pick
best thing for them is they don't even need to crack higher on more than they did they got
some damage done to back out play on the Roche and now with Ravage on cooldown as well
There's really no hope for permission to contest this I think
Do we have a rune check? Can we find out exactly how many runes he's had. It legit feels like he's had every active rune
Yeah, it would be interesting to start to see. Obviously no one doesn't have a bottle
It's yeah for a long time the tide was controlling the mid
Section of the map though. So I think during that time he got a few of the runes at least
Yeah, they're hopping into Roche
This is gonna be the refresher shard Roche and as they snipe the last quick power shot last time it it's gonna roar
Letting paravision know that okay. Okay. They're starting it now
No, but that's just time that they can get out and maybe finish up the refresher right?
It needs gold. He needs money. It's still pretty far away though
4.1 K golds
It just needs like a thousand gold more just just just a thousand just a thousand golds
He's 700 gold away.
Onward to where the Daedalus now does offer a tremendous amount of damage if she's actually able to get into the fight and cast her spell and click people down.
Yeah, but no blink daggers so she can't follow up that immediate jump from Tidehunter as well.
She basically has to be in position to force staff herself forward, get there and start blasting.
Or Earth Spirit, please grip me into the fight.
Yeah, the grip travels slowly dudes.
The travel by blink, it's the fastest way to travel, I don't know, it's getting complicated
to orchestrate how they're going to win, but it has to be on the back of double ravage.
And is it a jump on Mikkei?
Do we aim for Nisha first?
I think it doesn't have to be Mikkei, but it needs to be like two or three heroes
at least that immediately get leadered by Merta Ulti.
If they can do that, then possibly they could win a fight.
it's Mickey and like Lardo right? Azen, Azen and Mickey if the two of them die that would be enormous
but you can't get too picky as well. The moment you see enough you're stacked up you just say okay
go this is it. Yeah because we are currently looking at this situation there in is. It's a beggars
can't be choosers situation. Take what you get scraps on the floor, scrape the bottom of the
barrel. Eternal shroud on Aze as well now in Lardo. Adding some survivability against
the magic damage from Murta.
Currently tired and Earth spirit.
Two heroes with buybacks on the radiant side.
Misha is going to poke at them, drag them forward with a gale force, stun them up with a lion,
but nightmare and low assault, a little protection for nine class, but not enough.
And here's one of the ones with buyback though, as I said.
Yeah, Focus Fire used, but it's off cooldown again.
He has that level 25 talent as well.
But Murta hasn't even stepped past their tier fours, and she's already on 25% health.
the foxy, where you get baited into that one a little bit. Goes forward, but forces
ravage BKB out of no one and Mercer respectively. Now, Nightglass, board back,
rolled in and died, while Ducal is being pummeled by Nisha. Inside their own base,
Ace and Mikkei chase them past the throne, licking them back into danger with
another ravage from no one. They do clip onto Mikkei and Ace. There's a lasso
at the fountain, I mean that's one way to kill them off. You do get a few
members of liquid there, but you spend everything you've got and you're
still trapped in the cave and they're not stopping the step ages on Mickey as
well gonna push towards bottom they know myrta is gonna have her ulti soon
though ten seconds until it comes back but this time no lasso no ravage and
nature still full resources of the shard another gale force Mickey still
at ages of course all staff from no one out of there but say tank is wide open
damage comes through too quickly bodies back tries to re-enter the fight with
TP forward, looking at Mikkei's windranger now as they should get on top of her and kill her off.
Backpack, oh, the BKB!
She doesn't have it ready, Abreed!
Can we get out of here as Mikkei? No we can't!
The buyback from Satanic works out!
He didn't swap the BKB before dying, he swapped it like two seconds after the Aegis tics.
Couldn't use it after a respawn.
There's a lot of damage!
Okay, so Mirta does hold at least, it didn't get mega creeped yet.
Again, a lot of damage being done, the buyback on satanic.
They are desperate to get out and get anything they can right now.
I don't think they can push and get a racks, but maybe at least get Tormentor, get some farm.
She is queuing up the blink dagger immediately now, I think she wants to have authority on when she goes in and takes a fight.
Because it's been basically waiting and hoping that a fight happens in front of her.
But we're now looking at a massive window, all the doors are open, the house is unlocked,
Paravision very little to defend themselves
Yeah, and there's very little to answer Nisha as well in these fights
He's just all over the place literally flying back and forth and doing whatever he wants. He's nine zero and sixteen
Absolutely, it's terrorizing the back line the front line all of it at the same time
Well even just the start of that fight was the double remnants around the tier fours and he should put down yeah 42,000
damage. Definitely showing off his skills there, the ember spirit. I mean that's what caught
the earth spirit initially as well and then they follow up on it. And they did like 70%
of murder's health before the fight really even started. Yeah it's painful, you can't
stand around but she has to stand around due to not having blink but now she has made
a commitment, she has bought the blink dagger. So it will be a bit easier for him, it
doesn't have to stand in these awkward spots anymore.
Liquid, no, they're in a position now.
Paravision basically have one fight left in them, one lane left to push.
You know, I think the biggest power spike Paravision have coming up is if they can get
level 25 on this Tidehunter for the plus one second Stun duration on his Ravage.
If he gets there, I mean that's two more seconds on the Refresher combo that could
be massive for him.
This is do or die.
Five man smoke.
Ooh, double smoke.
They should be away their spirit, but he can rejoin quite quickly
Raiden have vision on that bottom lane and the spirits gonna try is revealing info the recon man himself getting in behind enemy lines
Parachutes past all the rest of paravision, but doesn't find anyone
Walking under a lot of observer words now, but paravision already feel compromised just running back to safety
Maybe it's for the best that no fight erupted out there, a fight away from base, pretty dangerous when you can wrap the round on, instead finish up that level 25 that I was mentioning.
I mean, I don't think they care about Liquid getting a Tormentor. Okay, shard on Lion. I think it's a big deal.
Yeah, it's not the most relevant thing. You want to have the best possible fight because that might be your last fight in this game at this point.
So it's like, if we see that Tormentor die, then we go because there'll be kind of low HP or the Spencer spells.
But the problem is the moment Tide uses Gush on the creep wave to push it out, he reveals his location and that triggered Nisha to just run in and start sweeping towards that location.
And BKB already spent, gets over the barrier, hides behind the gate, starts yelling at Liquid.
I don't really seem to care.
I think Liquid are pretty fine with that, they've loosed their Dikiro but Ravage, only one of them available now.
This gives them the possibility to crack before their refresher is back off cooldown.
But seeing this game, how long it's gone, they probably just want to wait for that Roche as well.
They used the BKB on Windranger so they definitely want to chill at least for that.
Has to refresh on her as well.
I was thinking maybe she will go for like NKB or something for even more damage, but he just prioritizes safety earlier.
Both of the lanes that are already open, being pushed in pretty hard by Liquid.
Paravision on lane pruning duties.
I'm doing what they can, but can't go too far out though, it's hard to shove the lanes
when you have to do it like this, just gosh, the flame break and then run away.
You can't show on the map as a hero, apart from maybe Tide.
Liquid, even with one hero dead, are still super dangerous.
And the natural vantage point from the radiant ancients area as well.
High ground being held
They'll smoke up and play into the radiant base
All they need a little bit of vision
First a remnant then a jump from boxy sneaky attempt to start things off a satanic shows an aggressive move himself
It's good. You have to be able to bolt right now as per vision. How dare you?
Yeah, gonna try and punish at least when these moves come out
Sadly when they don't have a refresher, they don't really want to commit to big fight either
And I think the BKBs come off cooldown now for Windranger.
And X, Blink X! Damage is good, with nice grab and kickback into Fountain.
Ravager no one, takes the Emberskirt out of the fight with Elasso into Fountain and got him down!
Nisha gone! Has it by back and the Remnant in the base.
So if need be, he could return, but for now Liquid is gonna sit back and wait.
Fantastic kill though. That was a good Ravage. Really nice catch.
spent flow now you've got no words back or tied alties how much is showing if they
come near your ancients you will kill them you know the game is defend the
ancients that's what they're gonna do
tentative now from liquid still waiting for third rose yeah ultimately liquid
they had their fun they tested high grounds you know it wasn't so fun for
Nisha got his first death of the game almost 50 minutes into the game but
No, they just can't back up and play for Roche.
Parish them though. A lot of signs of life here.
Not gonna roll over that easily.
I'm showing this water.
Carrie can't dish out some serious damage.
Oh yeah. And I wonder if you will go for the refresher over the Swiftlink.
I would love to see the refresher come out so he has the double, the double PKB.
See where he's gonna finish up.
And then what are we swapping in and out?
I mean you just juggle stuff at that point.
You just start juggling. You swap out the hurricane pike if you want damage or you swap out something else if you want the hurricane pike mobility.
40 seconds to go for Roche.
But yeah, he does have crazy DPS on Murta. Daedalus, MKB, Mjolnir. That is like, I will delete anyone who's disabled in front of me.
Like, if you get stunned by a ravage here, you're going to die.
The Carlos is walked right into Liquid.
We'll find him under that glimmer cave.
I mean, worth he picked up a grand healing lotus first, you know, got the greater one
Right now it's a bit it's hard stay patient as a support in this position on paravision
Because you're not making any move and they haven't made any real move for the last half an hour. Yeah, yeah straight up and
Then you got to get a little bit creative. What can you find on the map?
It's like these minor advantages try and get some vision down maybe the healing notices
I'm on 4th for a chance, Parabasian nowhere, near, so it's going to be all the goodies
for Liquid.
Who did he even put the Refresher Shard on this time?
They already have Refresher on Ember and Windranger so maybe Largo gets it?
Or is it going to be someone else?
Give it Boxy.
Nice.
Yeah it's going to be Ace, it looks like.
I would have loved it on Boxy though.
I think Boxy has been doing really well this game.
early game catch on people has been so crisp and coordination with Mickey's Wind Ranger.
The slow feeling of inevitable doom is creeping towards Paravision as they mount themselves
stealing themselves for the the siege to come. It's a fresh ages so we might see them just
choke out the map for a few more minutes before really cracking but at any given moment they
could also to go high ground so. Paravision have to be on the other toes for this. We do re-enter
this period where Paravision have buy backs all the green lights are up. So even though they are a
couple of lanes down they've got a lot of tools in their box to actually be able to fight back
as we saw dealing with Nisha and dragging her into Fountain. Although Nisha now has another
a layer of protection with that BKB, 9 seconds at 52 minutes with the refresher, so double
that.
Like Ravage, no one's in on Mikkei, massive DPS and takes down the ages.
Immediately after, Ace, the great free of it, the onus is there and when the Ravage comes
out when Mikkei is protected by the rest of Liquid, Nisha went in, gets gripped up,
but he's got the BKB going.
The Expenditor all got very little in the exchange and Liquid can keep going for
buildings.
Now they quit down to sustainability, buyback from Decalis.
What tools have you got left? There's no lasso, there's no ravages.
15 seconds from Murto Ulty.
Can go with a second Ulty if they have some form of disable.
Aches in front in this one though.
Mickey behind him to get damage on the buildings.
Difficult to approach, the liquid line.
Nightclas tries to go in with a nice kick back play,
but Nisha finds the backstab on the Satanic.
Good damage on the him and the Bat Rider with Tofu landing on the ice bath,
and no one being focused down,
killed off and satanic back to fountain barely survived somehow kept up next to nine class with his skills
no one brought back for this to hold on for dear life but liquid go back to focusing building its
objective based gaming holy the area denial coming out from liquid they just put up that
fire boxy two mats done catching satanic the main target the main hero dead but has flying
back isn't gone for two minutes could return but this is a disastrous scene to
return to very disciplined push here still staying back to Kiro the target
nice yule's buys time then for liquid to come back in and save it gets to blink
out even they know that he is five back boxy over committing he's back in
again another grab by the Earth Spirit pulls triple S to safety tier four
to take this chip damage though, as Ace seems to have infinite resources just to stand up there, tank everything up.
You have to be so careful as to how you do this.
And we've got back all of our BKBs on the island discs as well on Liquid.
They do have Lasso, Fiend's Grip is off full day on the second.
I roll in, you'll set it from J'Kiro, no one steps forward but a blink out from Tofu,
Triplice in, Lincoln's there, protect the plant Lasso.
Stalker Lasso ready but he can't get it done, he got hexed up on the way through.
Tidehunter, a blade mail, something just to try and turn the tide here as the heavy liquid flow into this base to blow up the Batrider.
Another buyback is available. The liquid is poking out every resource they've got.
Boxing Eondes, protecting against Muerta. Ace, same story.
The spending of spells and abilities from Satanic, it offers him nothing in the end.
Muerta has to back up the fountain. They've lost their Earth Spirit one more time.
more tower falls and the throne's exposed. Another move in, the barge is dropping, quickly
blown up by Mickey! No buyback on her and Gigi called, they're stuck in their fountain,
falls back in as Liquid, eventually, systematically, take game one.
And that was death by a thousand cuts. What a clean ending by Liquid. I swear, like,
nine out of ten teams will just throw, you know, at least something there, but they
did not give an inch incredible finish to Super Super Crisp by Liquid as we head back to the panel.
Yeah, well done Paribasian fighting to the bitter end there but Liquid, they understood their mission
statement, no mistakes, clean, clinical and the game in the books. I mean like I will even say I
like what Pari were doing for well it's like maybe the first 20 to 25 minutes of the game
like the tight last pick we never see this I think it showed at least for the majority of the
the game, it was good, they couldn't touch him, they had full map control, but I do think
they really blundered in the mid game and all it took was like one or two smaller mistakes,
Liquid got a good comeback, they played it clean, like Nisha didn't die until minute
50, I think that to me says enough.
We're already going to start with one of the blunders right, 25 minutes into the
game, 6,000 gold lean, like look at the map state, like you've got more to up at
the top tier 2 die aside, you know, that run had just came to the engagement late,
Like I have no idea what I'm watching here like being frankly honest like this is just bad doda this moment here like that
Single play you give liquid like a free entry and you have to give credit to that one under what he vision was doing
Kind of buying time waiting for water to get online
They were all skating ember was farming when the angel was farming
You know everything was kind of slowly kind of coming into play it soon became for protect the water and for protect the water
against a 5k h3 lago win range of all these items and brooch ember with this ag she was jumping around finding the back lane
It's like you're not gonna be able to outfight that so I think it's a great example of what you always talk about on the desk
Honestly T where you say, you know look you can have like these strong conceptual drafts
And then go on and lose a game because you make elementary mistakes and people might be thinking
Oh well lol of course they lost because you picked Tide Mid but it isn't about that the Tide Mid was really working effectively
One sloppy fight at a key moment can turn the game into a dode. Yeah
It's gonna always be scary right in this type of lineup that they have it's a your tides going for like an agonium
She's trying to amp up other people and then ember is like sure, okay?
Like every I tell him yeah
Like every item ember buys you know, it's like wow
He's gonna make a statement into the game and you know
He's ending the game 11-1-23 the only death he had in the game was like a ravage outside of the fountain
Like everything the kitchen sink while found his face like yeah
It was and also the death so he bought it's kind of fake
He bought it at the very end of the game to kind of ignore them start padding
Yeah, it's like the only death you got like the game
It was already cooked and when you think about it from like a like a standpoint of the game
You have the tide you have like the good map play but then and it's also not like it's about which type of fight
you lose like sometimes you can lose in like an even game like it's okay if you lose a fight but
you're going for this draft you have a 7k gold lead you have to full map you have everything
and then you lose this fight it's just it's illegal it's like the type of thing that just
it's not a lot to happen it's that simple i don't want to be in the room when poppy's talking
about it right like is he gonna be like what are we doing obviously that's his hand to his hand
to be clear there's no bb there's no bb management situation where he's like you know this is just
very much you know they have to have like a wake-up moment there because i feel like
in another day they would be winning this game.
It's the theme of the segment in a way because we can take a look at
you know what difference two minutes can make.
Yeah and I think Windranger again, Mickey, he understood why he had to do really
nice in this game like we look at around the 24-minute mark it was a really
quiet game like Hero Damage doing around 6,000
you can see he's got the BKB the Lance straight away looking for the BKB
not going for the pike first because he knows he needs to be ready for a
fight and of course we showed you that 25-minute clip already
So when we fast-forward to the 26-minute mark after that fight, it's okay. Wow. I had the BKB during the engagement
I've just ramped up another 4,000 damage from 6,000 to over 10,000 doing way much more in the game
But that's because he knew he was like chilling biding his time
Waiting for that moment and against like players and team aspect like liquid
You cannot give them such a free moment like this BKB pick up
It needs to be you know harder and then you fast-forward another couple minutes to the 28 29 minute mark
And it's the second Russia and contests from liquid and this is really what breaks them right like more than the first ages
Already felt pretty good, but the second ages you get it
You instantly lose it and let's go you are not having any authority in this game
So the triangle invasion where you blunder the second Russia that you instantly lose a dieback on the bed as well
But all the steam from pVision has gone now like there's no rule analysis to be had two major game losing moves
Have occurred like and I think also like for this fight like adroge
I feel like you're happy if you let them come to you, but Satanic, he's like losing half his HP to Roche.
It has to users old as well. So then when they come to fight you, you're not really that strong anymore.
And even then like the core heroes of Liquid never died. Like T-Sheld, you know,
Zero Devs on Mickey, Zero Devs on Nisha all this time. And you're playing against a bad writer,
you're playing against a bane. These heroes are good at picking you off if they have the map.
They had the map. So then not only did they not find the pickers they needed,
they also blundered teamfights that they should have won. And when you combine those,
Yeah, you can't win again. You're just gonna take the L.
Gonna be up. Yeah.
I mean, you can take a look as well at why maybe so many of the cores didn't die here at 38 minutes after this.
Yeah, like, I just want to show, because you're playing against these cores, right?
So, obviously, you have Liquid, they understand how to play the heroes.
Look at their items. You have a triple Lincoln Sphere on the Windranger,
on the Ember, and also on the Largo.
Because the way that Parivision want to fight, you don't want to start every fight with a Ravage,
but they kind of have to.
Look at your Batrider. I think SSS should have itemized, like, collapsed it in, like, a game the other day,
where you go blink force agonim so that you're the threat you can start the fight. You start
dragging one guy into your team suddenly everyone has to come from liquid to help the gout. Boom!
Three man ravage, four man ravage, second ravage comes out and you win the fight but instead liquid
they're kind of chilling, they're playing the map super well, they're abusing the heroes,
they're abusing like the weakness of what parry vision are that kind of handing them
and then they just make it look so simple. Yeah and not only that you then have double
supports and they could have in the blink daggers so then making sure that they're behind
the Ravage initiation, then offering up Batrider free jump, and then it's just all this adds up
like Batrider and Bane, they're both single target one-dimensional style initiators,
so when you have the Triple Lincons, there's nothing I could talk about to Carlos in this game.
I didn't even see it. It's just rough. It's just rough, and that's like,
due to how Liquid play, right, the optimization supports, the cores,
you want to see more from a Bane, you want to see more from a Batrider,
but just Liquid, the discipline that they have, they invite P-Vision like,
Please farm your game do what you want with this weird picks because eventually we're gonna be ready for you
So it's against liquid they either will break you in the first 20 minutes and you get out tempoed
Or they'll just itemize and scale and out team fight you like P vision
They just need to have conviction because in this game it's like they just didn't really have it at any real point
Because I like the tide like I actually think it's a cool pick
But at the same time I think later it showed that they weren't like very accustomed to it
I don't blame them. I highly doubt they skirt six years and played it right? Yeah
Like bro, you know mid tide isn't that normal
But you can tell when it made this one play that in the clip the t-shirt where they go very deep and tight
It's kind of running away, but then nine-class rolls in tight is a committal hero. He's not a spirit
That's gonna you or you know, run that out like see you later nine-class. We're messing up. No like you're in it
You're gonna lose together and that's just how it goes sometimes. Yeah
I mean I gotta say I've seen team liquid at this season of a la here be more dominant
That might be the most impressive game. I think I've seen them play so far
Come with that we're gonna go to a quick break. When we come back the series will continue
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are indeed ahead against Paravision so we're going to talk about that Kez
tail list from earlier. Anyway, we've been talking a lot about Kez this
tournament for obvious reasons because carries keep playing him and they keep
losing with him. So this is the tail list? This looks so much better than what I was doing earlier.
Wagamama didn't go up in the tail list. No he's still double up his
games on Kez. Yeah okay so talk me through this and why we don't think
as an S tier Kaz.
Kazry?
Alright, I think S tier Kaz haven't seen it yet, because we would be seeing I think more standout performances, more item builds, you know, more cool things.
Overall, we have some A tier players, I think Mikkei, he's pretty good, he has a lot of games.
Also, back when I played with him in Hon, like this guy, he was always on the trend of like fastest mols of P-Hero, like hands on.
Like, he played a hero called Monkey King there, he plays a hero called Monkey King here, he's very good.
Niko from the mid lane, my boy, he's good, very good, one might say, TGav.
I will say, he's only there due to the mid lane, if he was a carry, I actually, I may
I disagree.
I think if he was a carry player, let the guy cook.
How about they put him on carry one time, I think you'd prove you're wrong.
Sure, I think mechanically on Kess, he might not be better than they say like a pure or
poor, but because he showed the creativity of the mid lane and the general itemization
changes and what Kess can do, he is able to be up there.
So I feel like this is an ever-evolving list, of course, throughout the tournament
we will find our, well, we are going to stick to this bit.
Yeah, hate it. We've got to keep
We greatly apologize whatever the fuck we showed you an hour ago
That was not real. I might have been the one I made like yeah
Liquid already tweeted it and I'm like guys you just tweeted like just slop
That's not something new when you go like your chat GPT like give me a test here
That's what you get this one though. That's the crème de la crème talk about that list what you have there share around
Yeah, at, at, so whatever, put it on Reddit, put it up Twitter, all the, all the, all the
I mean, ultimately, for Team Liquid not much has changed.
We all believe Mikay is still the best, as Karen.
Hmm.
Hmm.
No, I mean, on this guy, and apparently that bird whispered to me, people are wondering
where is Parker?
Does he fucking play the bird?
I don't know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I forgot.
I mean, listen, sometimes his own team are asking where is he?
Where is he?
You know what I mean?
I think that's a better question.
Yeah, like, where is Parker?
Correct.
If they stay in the tournament, they can show us a game and we'll workshop where he belongs on the list.
Alright, you know what? Do you think he...
Off the top of the dome, how many Kens games do you think he actually has?
Under 5.
Under 5.
Under 10.
Under 10. Alright, well I'm just going to go to Kens and hope he's actually on the list.
Well if people are asking, then he must have played it at least once.
No, I can't see him as of yet. So there is a world where he just hasn't played it.
Well, there you go.
If you don't play the hero, you can't be on the list.
I'm really good at this.
He's not played it at all.
Not at all.
Yeah.
He's a 3, 6, or 7 game.
Someone so confident, you know,
bravado should never play it.
Yeah, do your research, guys.
God, like, we played it here.
We're making it.
I just don't feel like I've really seen him play the hero.
No, I don't think so either.
It literally has not.
He literally hasn't.
Give me a second.
There you go, Chad.
Take the L.
Take the L, Chad, for all of you out there.
Shout out to Normies.
He also hasn't ever played Brood.
He also hasn't ever played tinker.
And, uh, yeah, I mean, everything else is classic Parker.
He just sneaks into every segment without even being I know what a guy sing single-handedly
holding up, don't it?
Two broadcasts.
Are they wanting to know by the way?
Are they two and one?
Ah, they wanted to.
So tomorrow could be the last day.
Yeah.
Park is going to have to spend another four grand to get home.
Yeah.
I mean, alternatively, you'll miss this.
Let your flight there.
Exactly.
You might hear this and post out the Kess tomorrow.
He should.
T-shirt, T-shirt, probably the S tier, because we want to get on the list, Parki, you know what you have to do.
I'm sure Tundra managed me.
But anyway, we will be bringing the tier list up probably tomorrow and over the course of the rest of the year.
Or later.
Release the list.
Every segment.
If we need to fill whatever, but for now, we haven't been going to series on our hands
and we are about to go into the draft and we might see that case that we're talking about.
We might.
I will say, like I want to say one more thing about the last game and I'm usually
a bit more hesitant on like, you know, the newer players like towards the squad
like, you know, when you come in as, you know, the man on screen, Mr. SSS,
but I do think he was a very big reason.
I mean, obviously nine class he threw at that one point, but I still feel like
with the map state you had playing against a windranger and an Ember who were
deathless for like 35 to 40 minutes is not okay.
And then saying, Oh, you know, they get a Lincoln's eventually I can't lasso.
Brother, you know what your enemies are going to itemize.
You understand your bad writer.
This is what's going to happen.
I think you need an earlier blink in this game.
You need a force of, you need to like understand not autopilot and be
Okay, you know if they're not fighting you why are you building auras? It doesn't make sense
There's no interaction of a team fight ever happen. It's good until they get through it
So you need to build items that stop the enemy team from doing what they have to do which was to split push
So I do hope you know par vision they take the good things out of the first game go into the second show us something good
I'm just ready to see the Carlos. That's it. You kept it simple with the offender, but
You want to see him do something my 216 Bain was not doing too well
But it's also like I feel like it supports when your team subscribes to just shove waves and wait for one guy to be online
The support stuff for the most ladies in our as a put post four or five
You want to have one guy to connect the dots with like go for a smoke make a move contest the stack?
Me it makes that yourself but like Bane Earthspirit with three farming guys
I think that maybe then look towards the background like he has to play so aggressive in the early game to give life to Bane
They don't do anything. If no cause doing anything these supports are gonna be left out by themselves
No, the colors will look a lot worse because of all these other things
So yeah, like if they don't have plays Bane becomes a walking night vision ward
Yeah, and just ends up feeding. Yeah, it's what it looked like from the stats
He was winning on all the games he had one game on so maybe give him something new. Oh, that's the one game win buff
Very very strategic move, of course. Have you seen winter wyvern crop up in any of your pubs?
Yeah, because I saw Tofu in the game. I feel like he's the only guy that plays Ice Dragon.
Yeah, the Ice Dragon, I've seen Tofu play it competitively a couple of times, but on paper,
some of these games, not saying this game, of course, into Ember and Jakera, not good at all,
but just to skip into this draft, I would...
Yeah, how did we pick up this tournament?
No, I don't expect it to really be hotly contested, but in the back of my mind,
I'm like, I feel like there's going to be a draft where maybe Winter Wyvern couldn't be discussed
We've liquid in play here like in these slower games where you're playing on like that one big fight
You're showing for the million dollars pay jumps. Okay. Yeah, it is yet the death prophet last game mark my words
They would have won the last game if they fit death profit marking your words. We'll ask you later
We'll never know that we know
Like we might ask from the man who brought you such opinions
Like you know, they went to one would like grow
I think if you pick death profit, he's gonna be like screw you to governor, you know, I'll be honest
I had to get puppy on the sofa. Yeah, sure. We can't I had my steam DMs
I wrote out the message about that profit to puppy like hey man. Did you erase it? Yeah, I did
It was like in the first 10 minutes of the game that's 5k lead. I was like, you know what I might send the message
No, like did you think about that for a fit? You know Titans got working more good luck
And then as the game progressed like that's nice. Let's roll down. You're legit tied, you know
Yeet himself into retirement and triangle and I was like maybe I'm not gonna send the message
I just you know delete it real quick
Well, we got a good old repeat from Game 1.
There is a small adjustment.
The Ember was obviously not banned in Game 1, but you get the same picks to start it off,
which I think there was nothing wrong.
I do feel like it was more about the gameplay, because Ace on Largo, he didn't do anything
for the first 20 minutes, as Largo usually does.
You just farm, you chill, you pray and hope that other people make space, and then
you can buff them up, which, it did happen.
We always talk about lane pressure and being able to make moves.
I would also like to see tower pressure against the Largo.
All tier 1 towers falling by 12 minutes, forcing the carry to think about the mid area farm
and I was like the mid lane is thinking about the triangle where the lago is already going
to be.
Having all these things happen can hurt a lago immensely, so just having some cheap way
to progress the map in the first 15 is always nice.
In the last draft they had none of it, right?
It was like Tidehunter could take mid on the catapult wave, he would then book top,
Orc would do it, but after that, boom, now you're back to farm.
There was never like continuous map play, it was like you take a couple towers and
then you're chilling. So we just talk about the frog on a macro level in the
sense that you know the fans at home you know I always check in on the reddit
threads and check in on social media. They all think that the frog is a problem
it's too OP if people need to ban it. Obviously I know T you said you always
think it's a bit of a risk for a first pick. It is but there are teams like
Likudo Tundra when played in the off lane that it will always work
because they know how to get through the first 15 minutes they know the
optimization they're not messing around with it. I would lean towards Lago being, I think
on release the hero is quite fun, but it's very much drifted into a very one-dimensional
somewhat boring hero. Yeah I hate that I want him. You're always buying acts, you're
always buying Kaisenj, you're always going to buy BKB or Sheavers, and it's like there
was an argument of maybe you go grieves and lock it and it was like no you just
don't need it, you just need to do damage exist and get 5k HP because of your stat
I think the hero had such a beautiful, like, inception or like, entry to the game and now
because of the off-lane optimization it's just a bit too boring.
Because I think in terms of strength he's fine, I don't think he's OP.
I think he's good, but there's a lot of counterplay to be had which I think is still, you know,
people trying to like figure it out because last game again, you know, Parry we're
looking very happy as we have a pretty close redraft, you know, at least Parry they
They swapped out their Earth Spirit for the Tiny.
It's pretty chill, it's good, it's easy.
It's also like we talk about no one
not playing title for six years.
Nine Class comes into Valahy,
plays his first game of Earth for yesterday,
now he's playing it again today.
There's a lot of new occurring 4P vision.
That aside though, with the Tiny Bat Rider,
you'd like to think it's a stronger lane.
Jakira, Windrange, if they step up to be aggressive,
you get hit by an Avalanche, tossed back in,
multiple stickies that you are gonna die,
when you run, if you think correctly, you can't just become food.
So what's the deal here for Parry?
I would assume that they're going to go for a different duel.
Like maybe they run back to Murata.
I personally don't feel like there was a big problem with that.
I mean, I would even say Zotanic played quite well in that game
and he had a very good early game.
Maybe you do swap up the five, even if they didn't
and they want to go for, you know, just understanding,
okay, our mid-game has to be better or different.
I think that's good that they go completely different.
Yeah.
And you know, we saw a puppy doing a stand-in.
I can sit it now.
It's an exclusive.
Puppy Chen is back.
Oh my god.
We saw a position one void.
They obviously coming into this, mainly using that position
for using that support role was very, very effective
in that position one in that game.
I'd argue for P-Vision that everything's a little up
in the air.
Like void could be four, could be carried tightly,
could be four, could be made.
There is an argument that the flexibility does exist
for them. I think they have the skill to be able to pull it off. But if it is just a carry,
I think P vision is just going, last game we farmed, but somehow couldn't even help.
I mean that class definitely is played Void at 4. I think it was one of the first guys
to start. He's probably dabbled with it. Definitely. But the thing is like, if you're playing
a farm game against Liquid, you need to at least have a point where your skirmish
will never outfight us. They didn't have that in the last game, even with Tide.
time around they're gonna try and do the same thing or it's like if it is Void
carry it's like sure the game to even but at 40 minutes you never kill us
because our void coroner with MKB your win range is dying if it is to be carry
Void yeah they definitely they do have the flex open and I mean you can
absolutely put like the tiny mid at least for now against Void so Liquid do
need to respect it I will say Void has a very good matchup like later if he
does get items but the early game does look a little bit sus if I look at
like price damage output right that yeah liquid makes a move on you you chrono
it like into what there's like a support guy using avalanche and Chen no their
early game is egregious like unless they like out CS get a couple like set ups like
they have tiny the right place like they are just gonna get obliterated based on
voice breath syncing up with supports and making moves like there is this
awkward early game again if it is to be the carrier void I'm also looking like
So if you're liquid I mean boxy doesn't I think they are just gonna be happy with the Largo offline anyway
And I think they're just looking for I mean you could pick a new carry if you want on liquid
If you feel like that's what you need boxy has played the windranger before but
Think you have a lot of options
Is there anything cool against the void from the support role that's open I
Mean from the mid lane, I wouldn't mind like potentially like a razor something for P vision
Just a hero that can front-line a little bit in the early game.
You go for that one cheap aura to buy you a bit of fighting potential.
It gives you scaling later on, and it gives life to Chen, Tiny, to make moves.
It's not a playmaking mid, but shove wave, and you get online that way.
You definitely need, like, I think you need another semi-core.
Also, it's nice if the Tiny can play with you, at least to some capacity,
because, yeah, your off-lane is fine if you're Tiny bad,
but you're safe lane, you're not really going there.
going there let's not forget the thinker that's rising up when you have heroes like this the void the
tiny the front line that's in the hill if it is a 24 pic no other backline jump outside of voids
spirit potentially like a blink down line for windranger it could easily become a very good
tinker game absolutely could be a thank you shut the wave of march by time and then yeah you
can just utilize chrono beautifully but it is still greedy though it's ultra greedy but it
can work because you can play the map and it's not like liquids overall drafts
that are gonna break base at some point like they need a couple items you know
larger keeps everyone high HP and like you slowly push like liquids lineup
pretty much goes be ready between 15 to 25 minutes that's our strongest window
the game to break you if we do you'll go straight you'll struggle forever right
if you don't break us sorry and then if it's like even game then sure
everything else can change right but you have to be ready for that window
You have a dodger and keep farming giving them rushions and tormentors and play elsewhere or you head on get ready win the fight
But I think
Think it's kind of cool. If you want to play for that style, I think Raze is also kind of nice
The debate is like do they want to play make it because I'm describing heroes that don't really do that
They just kind of amplify the other heroes
In what this boxy one because I would assume this is most likely his hero
I think like some of the other heroes he's played like
Tusk and Marci, I don't love too much. You know their saves aren't really good against Bat and also Chrono. Obviously you can't really save people from it
So maybe just having another range guy who gives you more lockdown could be cool. I mean Light is out
I know he's a range guy. I was gonna go crazy with like a bounty
Give me some trap kills. Give me some like drum like go go go like you're running them over here
You're following the Chen in the jungle. You're just giving vision and pressure and it just feels annoying
But we don't see that here at all. I'm today. It's gonna go for all the weird heroes
Just good. Great strategy
If it was OG bounty hunter
I think it's
We're Tusk into Chen's always really nice. Yeah, tag team shard kill him off
It gives damage to the win ranger gives map movement with the jikiro ties the job pretty nicely together. Yeah, very good
it. It's a four parry. I feel like you're you're just gonna pick a mid here like I
don't see this like cool thing where oh let's put you know the tiny to some role
and I put the void 4 and then you pick a new carry I think void carry is fine
he is slow but he can win this game so I don't really see the need to like
swap it up. Yeah I'm still down for Razor or Tinker, they're the two I'm
leaning towards. Razor for the fact that you can also buy Crimson Guard
into tusk when the ranger is really nice and then the tinker for the fact that you have
march shoving waves by in time utilizing how you have that 71 minute game against navi and
eventually you just yeah matrix is silly yeah someone leaves more with i'd like something
range yeah it will just be the tinker i mean okay i have seen many 24 tinkers i will say i
have seen others that impressed me more where i feel like there it's like the exodia pig you
You know, you're like kind of not gonna win, but I think while it is very good against what liquid have
I think the pace of party is like
Disgustingly slow. Yeah
It's very much like a and it's bold when you point into a team like liquid who love to make those fast moves around the map
And as you've already said, there is a very clear distinct timing where they can dominate
I mean it really helps with liquid that they have tested to care
But these supports in the correct hands like Toe from the boxy they're gonna make moves on the map
They're gonna utilize liquid fire after a kill to take the tower
They're gonna have catapult wave rotations as well
So then you get the kill use the catapult late
I think the supports alone will give a lot of life to liquid and it's going to be on
P vision to have bat and tiny in the right place because void and tinker don't really want to join these fights early on
They want other people to do it
So whilst two supports on liquid will make a lot of moves enabling three cores to farm
You're looking at pVision to bring cores to these support rotations. I'm not alone. It's quite scary
Yeah, it's what help will help liquid create this like snowball in the early game
No, I think for sure like if party
I think if they don't like step up their play especially early with what he is saying because I fully agree if they if those guys
Don't walk it's like a three-man ball like the subs and bad to make space and to like to kind of withhold
What liquid will do because you can leave liquid scores alone in their lane like Largo top against Void gen
He's gonna laugh in their face
It's like boxy's gonna leave the lane and run around and make stuff happen
And if this explodes the game, I don't think party will get to the stage that they want to be at in this game
But if they do get to the stage
Well, there that is gonna be so nasty like void up front with a matrix time walking off things and think who if she was re-op
laser laser laser all this stuff like yeah that draft is like disgusting when you get like what about 50 minutes
No, like 30 30 through the half 30 through the half is like when they're peak happy
Alright then guys, we're gonna see how long this game is actually gonna be and now I'm gonna hand you over to Maui Thareg
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Oh, I just keep getting better and better. I wanted to end up with the end of the total and our nicknames
Just keep merging and joining a vast chasm though between these two teams in terms of strategies and ideologies
It seems like liquid gonna be trying to pick up the tempo with this windrunner void spirit
Tossed to play aggressively while
Paravision the speed of mud comes to mind. Yeah, definitely
They are not going to be moving too quickly here, Paravision, but late game they do scale to become insanely strong.
Tinker, Void, very nice combinations, and they have some nice protection as well, with like Chen ulti and so on.
But I am concerned for them. I think Team Liquid have drafted themselves very strong laning stage,
with very nice combinations in the Windrainer and the Tusk.
You have the Jikiro of course, very strong in laning stage as well.
And then Void Spirit, who can pop in and break those lanes down.
at the 6 minute mark for the 7 minute wisdom rune, I think he's gonna be much more impactful
than what I'm expecting from no one who probably wants to farm a little bit more on Tinker.
You wanna get your items, you wanna get your blink, you wanna get Kaia, and last time
we saw no one on Tinker, he did fine, but he didn't take over the game.
Yeah, it was that slow and steady, get this item timing, be a bit ominous and that
looming threat is definitely there, forcing the hand of your opponents to deal with
you but there wasn't that sharp turn of events to get things under control boxy
was trying to get some body block for the creep wave gets shoved away by the
little potato here coming in from Duke to call this not going to hit so he's
got boots on boxy so he's gonna be able to get away from the Chen Chen
In Face's Void has to be one of the least do-something lanes I've ever seen.
It is.
At the same time, they're laning against Lardo, one of the weakest laners in all of Dota's.
I think they're going to be fine.
Chen is the only ranged hero in this lane, and he can continuously just lay in the
auto attacks.
He has to be careful about level 2 power spike, because then the double nuke coming
out from the two of them, or even tag team, is going to be very, very scary.
But other than that, this is going to be a shooting range for Chen where you can
auto-attack people. Oh look at him using his creep as well to match the creep pull
going on from boxy stopping the shenanigans the boxy is tempting on top
lane. They're making sure that the lane dragging doesn't complete and they even
get some deny going on the creep wave to bring satanic across to gather up the
last hit. So this first minute of play very well done by Paravision to make
sure this top lane is able to get something done. Does get a little bit
gold for killing the potato but yeah the void is for now enjoying his free farm.
A blogger, a little offset for the lane, has been able to hold that die creep wave with
a couple of creeps letting the other couple walk past, so denies a few.
I will say I'm a bit surprised that they langed it this way with the jikiro and windranger
together not using the tusk and windranger as a pairing because I think jikiro could
Maybe have done more to stand up top and put pressure on Void with the damage over time against Timewalk
But surely they have the reasons to to lane it like this. That was an old liquid classic
Yeah, I win ranger with the tusk alongside
Boxes still playing around in that small camp
Entire sentry was placed there
But just put his body in the camp to make sure it is continually blocked up
Ducalus gets the dragon to large nice the log out
I'm trying to deal with Titanic in the lane.
Yep, Ace does have a lot of lasted damage at least with all those gauntlets, 80 lasted damage and level 2 Largo.
So if he can get close to their creeps, he is going to get a fair amount of the CS.
Yeah, already 9 and 3, whereas his counterpart, the Batrider, 5 and 1, not having the same luxury.
Still has the lane right in front of his tower for now.
I think Wind is probably one of the absolute hardest heroes for Batrider to deal with.
It is like the best carry at safely outlaning Batrider.
There are some that can work really well as well, but are much more volatile, like a smart can do fine, but he could also just die.
And you're also, again, this double range lane for Liquid.
Jakiro Windranger into no armor tiny, into a Batrider who's like half a ranged hero.
Very good at trading blows with them and chipping down that regen early on.
Yeah. And getting those chip shots in all the time, Mika, using the shackle to harass.
mid lane, farm trade, we're not gonna see any solo kills, no skill expression or anything like that, right?
Waiting for active runes to get off.
Yeah, for now it looks like a pretty big out CS, but he has four creeps to kill still on Nisha, so...
See how many of these he can secure.
Very nicely used his nukes.
Gets three out of four at least.
So, 11 for four versus the 16 and four on Tinker.
Man, try to hold his hit, before the laser expires.
No one just throwing a Randy tip on Deboxy.
Yeah, I don't know what he saw from the mid lane, but yeah
Not entirely sure. Box is still up top dealing with the potato of the Coloss
And he's already spent his shards
Little snowball there, but time dilation of course can be very annoying once you spend both of your spells
This is of course just smoking mirrors as Largo is in between his tier one and tier two tower
Gathering up farm. Yeah, they pulled the creep wave back there
But there are camps available for the Coloss to use both for pulling the creep wave back
but also for getting some creeps for himself soon.
This boxy is trying to stop this desperately.
He is aggro-pulling. Manages to stop the camp.
That's more farm for Ace under a tower.
Still got to keep track of this task as well.
So the Observer Ward in the jungle, pretty important here.
To keep tabs on the boxy.
That's why he's come through with a sentry to de-ward it.
Yeah, you know he wants to go in and mess with the tinker.
You never want to leave a tinker completely undisturbed.
undisturbed so he's definitely going to look to you know check how many stacks there are see if
you can body block any camps or ward block actually gonna place the the ward does that block it i
think he's keeping vision i think he blocked it or but outside i mean yeah keeping vision to contest
exactly i'm assuming once voidspray wants to make a move they can go and play together in
tappen so they find no one's tinker so far decent stuff apparently and they want this
slow and steady game they want as little aggression and action as possible so as long as they're able
to kind of sit back gather farm stack camps in particular they'll be very happy just all of
their heroes are some tinker and bat rider in particular want to farm these stacks yeah class
is already clearing big camp stacks in jungle off doing something else while bottom lane nine
class has been left alone and he's gonna most likely die here as we even have boxy joining in
not showing himself yeah he doesn't really need to do anything uh just leech some experience
Give me the share of this one, boys.
Final touch for Mickey, I will get him first blood.
Staying well out of mission.
That's smart. A lot of people would just go in and help out, get the kill there,
but why give your opponents information for nothing?
Boxy understanding that that's good.
Anytime he's off the map, then that's time that Parrot should have to worry what is he up to.
Where is he? Is he on mid lane?
He's picking on mid lane. Level 6 is acquired on no one, so he has access to TPing around now.
And minute 6 coming in.
Shard blocked to guard the bottom room with Tofu and Boxy there.
Amplified damage can be picked up by the tusk.
9 class also showing that he rotated to try and protect the tinker.
Can't really have a look at these camps, but if the ED on tusk, Tiny has to be careful.
There was a ward, I don't think they realized that he warded there, so defensive observer ward.
And then trying to move back down towards bottom lane, where Batrider also playing under an observer ward of his own,
is able to drag the radiant creep wave and create a bit of a distance between himself and Mikkei.
The two roaming supports though, try to catch up to him and make life a little more challenging.
Still take a while to get all the way down to his bottom left hand corner of the map.
Yeah, he's dragging it as far away as possible. Doesn't have 5-5 already, but it's just the Tusk chasing him.
Tusk alone can mess with him quite a bit though, the creep wave helping out of course.
Triple S doesn't want to play anywhere close to Windranger, that's why he's going this far away from Lyn.
The Wisdom Shrine coming up. They don't want to go all the way to that side. They want to contest the Shrine.
No one is here from the mid lane.
At Tossacross, we're going to give 9-claff the ability to take the Shrine with a good Avalanche and do Kallus' arrival.
With no one here, they're going to turn on Mckay.
And Tofu drops low, but kills the Tiny first as Nisha also sniped out of SSS.
Tofu goes in, blocks some camps. He's going to try and hide himself, see if he can find the CP spots.
We've got no stuns, haven't we?
Yeah, it should be fine.
Perfectly fine.
And then Nisha with Boxy actually pairing up to kill the Batrider.
Yeah, did bring him in the end.
You can see Boxy basically calling Nisha over.
Nisha was like, I have a creepwave on the tower, bro.
Gotta finish this creepwave, then I'll run.
Then he joined up and got that easy kill.
Just give me a moment.
Bat is of course the core that's struggling.
The most prepared vision right now, I would say.
Not having a very easy lane.
But other than that, they're farming really well.
Tinker is getting his farm progression.
Tyre already complete.
Quite nice Venetia as well with that urn, getting a kill, getting some charges, getting to go and play aggressively for this middle lane with the tusk as well.
Three members of Paravision here trying to rip up the efforts of Liquid, even bringing Faceless Void to maybe swing this fight,
but Venetia and Boxy have already come in, come out, grabbed the illusion rune,
and as the chrono's spent to kill off the tusk, the Shackle Shot onto Faceless Void, no time walk available, so the Tannix comes through thick and fast.
Tofu picks up a double kill.
That is painful for Satanic, teeping in, joining to try and take a fight.
You don't even get the last hit as no one gets the last hit over on the kill
and then get brought down as they realize this is not a maxed out time walk.
He's only level 6 on Void and even put two points in Bash.
And then the frog up top has jumped out of the cauldron and said,
Great, it's lovely out here. The wet is perfect to go and kill some creeps.
No longer bubbling and boiling.
Do you mean I can farm lane creeps and jungle?
Incredible.
Triple S, not the same story.
Again, getting caught out down in his bottom lane.
Yeah, there's Batrider. They are doing a great job shutting him down for now.
It's a hard time for him to to get the the drums that he wants and get some free farm down
bottom. It's just not looking easy. Mickey of course one of the most active carry players.
Danny both you and the panel are kind of looking at the bat item build in the last game
and kind of wondering you know the blink force maybe was necessary, the pipe was in the
in the conversation as well. What are we looking at here for triple S this game?
I mean, it's always the bongal boots at least, from their own we'll see what he's going to go for.
I still like the pipe against Largo.
Could be nice. Nisha lassoed back through the firefly, but he has to jump across.
With his astral stamp.
Triple S just trying to make sure he safeguards and takes what farm he can, as the invasion from Liquid continues into the enemy agents.
They have good vision here on Dyer, putting that ward earlier of course.
I still see no one there, not a fraction of vision.
was spotted. So many wards. It's just deep. It's hard to walk between the tier one and
tier two tower. You basically have to open up mid tier one if you're gonna try and invade
to go for that kill. Basically there was a line of wards from bottom tier one all the
way through to that top jungle. Of course one did just get de-warded. But tons of vision
for Liquid to play aggressively. Like everyone's been saying through the end of that draft,
Liquid would want the tempo, need to keep applying it onto parry vision to make
Blaming uncomfortable.
Anisha, Tofu and Boxy, they're on to 9 class again, diving out of the tier 1.
That neutral creep's gonna get the kill, though.
How are they so expert at last-hitting? These neutrals, they should be coaches, man.
All they need is one hit.
Yeah.
All they need, tomato potato, they get it.
Decalus, starting to drag waves to get some farm for himself.
Boxy says, no, denied.
Yeah, they'll kill the tomato up as well.
And no one coming in with that marching machine's clearing up, a lot of mid-wave.
He realizes that this mid tower is important to try and hold on to any bit of time he can buy on Tinker to slow down the game, allow this Faces Void to go towards late game. It's going to be so valuable.
Another game where Nisha is going to have full rune control and the ability to pick and choose where he wants to be, where he wants to fight. Every time he gets one of these active runes, I'd be quaking in my boots if I was parabasian.
Yeah, Void Spirit is scary.
FWD also a very fast hero, joining for a lot of fights, having the faceboots double jump as well.
And he has some strong supports to play into. Don't have the ulti yet on Jakiro. Level 6 on him would be really big.
They have a lot of control so that the macro fire can do some serious damage.
Bit of a push on that mid lane alongside, Nisha is the tofu Jakiro giving that tower damage which Liquid desperately do need.
do need. Tinker just gonna keep TPing back and forth, trying to spam out with a march,
stop the waves from approaching. You can march all you want, they're gonna keep burning
this tower, eventually Tofu will get it. Trot door will raise your village. Back to
the ancient stand as well. But this map, 12 minutes in now but we can feel it starting
to get a little shaky, a little smaller for paravision. Faces Void is already in
the outer rings of jungle. Batrider is not really comfortable staying on lane.
Yeah, Mickey is intentionally shoving the lane a lot as well. He's trying to get a
position where he can just pop ulti on the tower or you know try and bring down
this tower early. There's a lot of attention towards the mid tower of course
but he's doing his own part in pushing. And then giving info as well like
knowing whether Batrider is because Bat feels that he's obligated to come
and defend the tower right so he has to show we can't be farming jungle
when Mickey is doing this. Yeah it slows down Batrider's farm quite a bit.
Then we see Chan and Void holding hands up top, Tiny's kind of wandering around, trying
to find a home for himself, please let me get levels or money for a blank or boots or
something.
This is how you feel as a support.
I think 9-class is incredibly bored right now.
Oh yeah, I can feel it.
A mid tinker, a carry facist Void, an off-lane Batrider, and Batrider is a very farmy hero
in the current patch.
Back in the past we used to have those blank Batriders.
This is not it.
So this is basically triple greed from Paravision and 9-class is like, yeah, I guess I'll
exists just go through the motions that's not where nine class shines though he's a
very very good aggressive support player he's amazing at you know creating space
or finding these aggressive moves and I feel like his potential is being held
back until I guess he's playing that there's no nuance so hitting creeps no
not really no he is that kind of information-gathering reconnaissance
man who wants to try and get behind enemy lines and find out what's going
on. But right now the enemy is farming stats themselves.
He's getting a ton of money there for Nisha as he closes in on the Yule Scepter on Wisdom
Shrine in a matter of moments. Going to be Gardinal on the left by Liquid and Parry isn't
bringing a few members to the right to defend their own.
Liquid want to fight this though. You can see it on Mickey walking in, gets a hyperstone.
And Windrunner away. Quite a bold position to be in.
I think he has to respect the TP from Faces Void. If he goes for this Wisdom
room there's gonna be a face avoid reacting and it's not worth throwing
away your your early game lead to try and contest the wisdom so they let
Paravision have it I think their attention is gonna be focused elsewhere
going towards the top tier one tower can definitely feel things building for
liquid but it's still being a reasonably successful first 15 minutes of
Paravision with the kind of draft they've got they've not completely
bled out they are losing map space for sure but they're not completely
Relinquished control, especially with that top lane. They still have the tower and they still have space for void face of void too far
I think everything is going along the plans of liquid though because they are also greeting
They're greeting on their Largo, but that's about it
Windranger pretty active carry in this game been involved in four out of six kills and their mid laner has been involved in stuff as well
So they open mid bottom tower Largo not too far away from his agonist after now 300 gold
And once they have that it's gonna speed up this game has been pretty slow, but we're very close to them just ramping
Gareth it's gonna speed up
the angle of a ramp
Head Skywards, but yeah for sure the next couple of minutes gonna be potentially a little bit quiet
I'm like we're gonna be ready to go in 200 gold with ace getting an agonist up to shortly
Have the Melstrom and the Masked Manus on the face avoid though, so you have to be careful
not to leave anybody close to him alone and undefended, he won't murder people quite quickly
with that chronosphere.
Tinker has also been backfiling through the top jungle, so I'm getting closer to his
items.
7k net worth on no one.
Nowhere's really safe as Boxy is now de-warding your ancients, makes a little base camp
there so Mickey and Nisha can both pivot into this area if they could maybe triangulate
the location of one of Paravigian's calls.
Trying to be as restrictive as possible going in here, taking away space, and at the same time playing towards their own strengths.
So, Agonyms just now completing for Largo.
Might see the congregation towards Top Lane happen soon.
It's just really as impossible to go on anyone.
Like, nine classes, the only guy that can walk in and stun and toss back,
but that gives you so much time for Nisha to react.
He does go in aggressively for Foxy backing him up.
Swing onto this tiny, toss back on the toss, back rider arrives,
Nisha foxy with ace now, pumping damage into staying.
Lassa comes out of triple ace, but he's burst down by Mikkei.
Ah! Ace at Tannick! Three-man Chrono, Dikazen, no one coming in hot as well!
Mikkei down as he Tannick opens up, ace trying to sprint back out,
strumming away, but he's finished off!
Beautiful Chrono there from Tannick, diving a little bit too much liquid.
They got picked up top as well, losing their jikiro, so he was nowhere in this fight.
And then E.T.P's mid still having the chrono, gets a beautiful 3-man catch.
Super important event to react there.
Tons of money flows into the coffers of Paravision.
Now it's meant to be Liquid showing off the act of Largo and getting involved.
It doesn't take the stride out of their stepbo.
Nisha has found a go here with the Yule Scepter on the tinker, opening up a tofu's combos.
Damage out, Nisha looks good but Sanktanic rebuffs the efforts and the tiny Atlas Toss combo takes him down.
Liquid, after pay for their over-eager moves!
This is not the timing that Liquid can afford to lose fights.
Losing early against this ultra-hard carry that is Faces Void and a tinker to boot is...
...somebody put them in a very scary situation.
Not grouping as five, perhaps within their... their demise.
I see as Paravision are gonna be the ones to finally get a tower for themselves, using all these creeps as well for them to call us.
And these successful skirmishers have been big because now Tiny has only 200 gold away from a blink dagger
So he will be able to try and set up stuff for his team as well
Maybe tossing towards the map rider comboing with him a little bit
And then this almost hidden effect of the Chen when you have these slower games
Chen is one of these farming supports who gets a ton of gold by just hitting neutral creeps
5000 net worth arcane, mech, tons of healer and sustain to drag these flights out and give the faces Void and Tinker more time to spam spells
Yeah, if you pair that up with Tinker's barrier, there's going to be spamming as well, the defense matrix, it's going to be really hard to burst, like the panel was talking about how Void is going to be hard to kill as we had later into the game.
Liquid still trying to pick up the pace though. Smoking up his three, playing through Ace, Nisha and Boxy.
Might just be able to fly in triple S here, with a jump in from Nisha's Void spray, and they've got the opening.
opening. Night class, avalanche, delay things, lasso comes out of triple S and satanic with
no one there in again. You will step into the sky, Nisha comes back down as they finish
off the back. Toss across what Tide is done for and Liquid showing their firepower now.
No one to the high ground, looks like he's safe but now, power shot misses and Liquid
don't want to go diving. Tier 3 is just yet.
Smart by Liquid, not to get deterred by losing a few fights earlier. Chronos still
being on cooldown meant that satanic this time is TPN didn't really do that much.
If all of them are there, Chrono is not available, then there's not really much a Void can do this early in the game, so he quickly dips out of that fight.
It does mean that he still has it if there's another skirmish happening soon.
His TP being on cooldown, he's limited to being in the top area for now.
There's also the knock-on effect of the couple of ganks going awry for liquid.
There's a tossback on Tofu on the tower, actually.
Numbers of Paravision, is that everybody brought top to kill off a Jekiro? Fair enough.
Holding strong, I think they recognize how important it is to fight for these objectives.
You cannot give Liquid too much map control early on, because even if you have the stronger late game,
if you're not able to get out on the map, it does not matter.
Don't give an inch.
But yeah, it feels like the knock-on effect here, Nisha's net worth definitely looked like it took a knock there,
as the couple of ganks failed out, Paravision, able to fight back somewhat.
I'm interested to be able to recover and get back up to the rest of the pack.
Yeah, he'll do what he can for sure.
As we have seen, of course, speaking of net worth, quite a bit of progression over on the Void.
Got the Mjolnir and going towards BKD, he just now overtook the Windranger for most farming in the game.
And again, this one of the situations where gold is not always equal.
11,000 net worth Void or 11,000 net worth of Windranger. I'm more scared of one of them.
And one of them is right next to Tormanto with Corona ready.
Liquid, not really in position here if you can test it.
We've got to mech as well, they can heal up very quickly here.
Maybe not even needing it.
Our stats between the two carries are very close.
He's shot through that mid lane, looking for his tire next.
Just wants to amp up as much as possible.
Guess whatever you can, liquid?
I have a feeling that they're being a bit too comfortable and slowing down now,
but this is also respecting their chronosphere, I guess.
They don't really want to force a massive bite when they've seen what happened,
that three-man catch on mid lane.
They can put a little bit of fear in liquid's advances.
Parry, the opposite is true.
Now smoking up together with this blink on Tiny,
they've finally got the capabilities to start a fight on their own terms.
They've looked good when they've reacted and dealt with liquids over eager moves.
Now we'll see them actually make a move of their own.
They also just got a serious increase in damage to have the Agadamts on Tinker.
Which is always a huge item to go for.
A gold laser.
Foxy's Tusk, the one out. Smoke breaking.
Has a blink.
Guess Avalanche and, well, 9-class doesn't want to go walking up staircases into darkness.
So they're just gonna leave a B.
That's hard, he doesn't know where the Wind Ranger is.
Doesn't want to get caught by Wind plus Tusk.
Better left alone.
It's so annoying that when you play against Tinker you have this non-stop battle of defend mid lane, keep pushing it out, and someone has to keep coming back and dealing with these waves.
I just have to say, I never thought they would be able to hold safe lane to your one tower until 22 minutes and it's still standing on the side of Paravision.
Like, this is commendable how well they have dealt with the early game.
I think this fits in a fantastic spot going mid game and late game, so...
It's a freaking Power Ranger TP5 heroes up here to defend it, right?
Yeah, I'm more surprised that the moment Agadam finished on Lardo, we didn't see Liquid just all grouped together
and start exploiting the big power spike they had.
Like, they made moves, but it wasn't really as organized as we have sometimes seen before.
So, are Liquid now waiting for something? Because we've kind of...
Paravigion have kind of gotten over that hump over the first 20 minutes.
So, Liquid, that tempo kind of knocked out of them? Is that a big item time?
I don't necessarily know if they're waiting for a key item
I'm sure they're working on BKB on Largo, but still pretty far away Manta just completed on Windranger
But I have a feeling they should be doing stuff now
Like it's not that they need more items the more items they farm the more items pervation farms
Perhaps liquid have a more confident approach towards mid game and late game, but I would be concerned here
Yeah, 3k lead for the pervasion side and what we heard through that panel
Great spot to be in. I can't remember the timing that T put on everything, it's like 33 minutes and 40 seconds?
33 and a half, that's the power spike, that's the sweet spot he said I think for ParaVision, but yeah it's...
Everything after that is even more sweet, right? You dig to the centre, it gets sweeter and sweeter.
So we have just over 10 minutes for Lycra to make their mark?
I would agree. It's definitely closing and with the speed that this Faces Void has been growing, I think that
that window is closing faster perhaps even as BKB is now complete on him.
23 minutes into game, Milner, BKB, Masked Man is fantastic for him.
And opposing reads here from both teams.
Liquid move up top to try and fax stab, wrap around top tier one.
No one shows, doesn't suspect that they've already coming behind him.
Nisha and Tofu, they're ready to wait, he went ahead, come to the TPs, not fast enough as no one's blown up.
BKB up and a Krono there, looking at Shakiro for Saitanik to pick off a support.
Largo's very tanky though, difficult to finish off as Nisha comes back in for round two.
Another interremnant and Shackleshot.
Catches Tiny, Saitanik with the help of Alasso, looking at the Largo.
Once the pump of the damage is Nisha finishes off Night Class in the back,
from another toss buys him time.
Nisha dropping low on HP, Boxer will come in and save with a punch.
Ace still pumping damage and stains them up.
Paragion lose 3. All they drop with a Jekiro into Kalius is going to be the 4th.
Yeah, they could kill off Jekiro, but once he turned attention to Ace, realizing that he has like 30 armor on this Largo and 3000 HP, that's just not going to happen right there.
Not without Tinker. They need Tinker in his Agamon Scepter. Ultimately, that was one of those TP feeds where your core gets caught out, one of your major damage sources dies before anybody arrives, and then you fight 4v5 afterwards.
It was just a little bit too late for paravision over before it began really. Yeah. Yeah
We see blindsided by this move from liquid perhaps
They didn't expect him to die that fast, but the DPS is there of course with the wind ranger focus firing in
Norgo standing tall in this fight and even Nisha just manages to survive the burst and make it completely free
Not getting chrono just opens up with all the long range right click damage
I think that was a very very important fight for Liquid because if they lost the fight there
It would almost already feel like you know, it's written all while we're gonna lose this one
But now they really back in they really do and going for an octaring core on Nisha early
He wants to have some more mobility
I like octaring core against faces void by the way because of time dilation how it messes with your cooldowns
He already has use to dispel it
Of course, but if you have lower cooldowns and generally faster cooldowns, you're less likely to get screwed over by time dilation
Just I don't know. It's just a feels-good item overall. It's amazing of this one which period as well
100% win rate on the BKB for longer
Two minutes faster than average as well. Good sign there. 100% win rate 100% contest rate as well
Hero's pretty good
Now Liquid's setting up on that top tier 2.
I don't know if they can keep the catapult alive, but Tofu will at least try and get a
few free hits in onto the tower.
That's what he can, but ultimately gonna back up, realizing it's a little bit too dangerous
to stick around.
Aegis in hand on the windranger now, we'll give him a lot of confidence on Micke.
It's Satanic, already we see him working on the MKB, I think he realized I need
This MKB is not just to deal with a Windranger, obviously it's great against her, but it's also just a damage-increasing item.
And he needs that. We saw Largo in his massive armor.
MKB is a lot of magical damage, so it sort of circumvents the armor from Largo Uldi as well.
It's something to break through the thick skin of that frog.
Tofu with Grease and Essence Ring.
They're pretty difficult support to bring down, and he's feeling pretty bold to just stand up in his top jungle.
vision and information to the rest of his team. Liquid looks like they're scribbling on the map.
Another move to come in behind the top tier two wanting to find that tinker again potentially.
I think they want to make a move because of you know having the Aegis they need to make a
power play somewhere. These tier two towers need to fall eventually and going behind the
tower is usually the easiest. Otherwise tinker will just stand somewhere and march.
Four man smoke. Total lead gets tossed on the tower.
Now I've landed damage is good, but Night Fast gonna feel the pain here.
If you drag back in a snowball across, finish him off with a final touch,
but last on the Largo through the BKB, drags him on the tower, but doesn't do much.
There's a Crono from Static and they'll punch damage into him.
So a lot of DPS landing on the Largo, ace.
Not sustaining through it though.
That was nice. When Paravishion get to initiate the fights,
especially getting a clean pick off like that, and fight under their own tower,
They're significantly stronger than when they randomly get caught in the liquid, even with the Aegis.
It doesn't matter if Windranger isn't focused, then her Aegis is basically irrelevant.
That's now going to be a window where this Aegis can't really accomplish too much.
T2's still standing in the liquid, bit off more than it could shoot.
Also surprisingly annoying to play Windranger against Faces Void.
If you see when she autoattacks in, all those autoattacks are slowed down by the time field around Faces Void.
So her DPS, she tries to go in and help, but she can't really do too much.
In a few seconds she's here, when she ulties onto the Facesboy during the Chrono,
it just does really reach him and easily just, yeah, she gets caught for a second,
time works off any damage he even needs to.
Yeah, probably fine.
There is this moment though with Chrono down that maybe Liquid feel comfortable still
to go back up to that top lane and make the same move again.
Well, hopefully not the same move, not the identical move.
The same trajectory. Yes
Fight in the same battlefield
Dota plus still thinking that liquid ahead, but that lead is definitely wilting as we approach 33 minutes and 40 seconds
Yeah, that's that's a very optimistic 60% advantage for liquid
Considering the lineup will face this void and tinker is ahead of the net worth. I think the ages is probably getting given a lot of credit here
And here is that smog move again, 9 class blinks away.
Not getting found, snowball is deep, but this is risky, Liquid having their toss tossed back
in with a shot shot on the tiny.
Close to the high ground.
Yagrid don't get their claws on anyone, Parvizion are out of the ground.
Yeah, elusive.
The four staffs, the barriers, defense matrix doing a lot of work.
Deward, reward, sentry it all back up.
vision of this area and force Liquid back. So again, defending their tier 2, keeping their
spaces void farming.
This type of stuff can really take the wind out of you though, when you repeatedly try
to take a teamfight or crack the tower, when you have Aegis, and soon you're about to
lose your Aegis timing, it's really going to make you feel kind of hopeless in Liquid's
camp.
And it's as big as well. They know exactly where somebody is, and they're going to
capture Climbs of Mickei here. 40 seconds for Aegis, but probably just going to
Kill her twice, have Lance flame break, breaks through the wind run, make H-Royce to get the man to dodge and run away,
but no one's gonna come in with a laser, a warp flare, and a cash from Satanic.
They still have Lasso, but the team is here.
Reinforcements arriving, calorie over the hill.
Krono first up from Satanic and the damage looks good.
The wind range are being pummeled and finished off by no one.
Now Jakiro and Ace in the open.
Lassoed up, the Lago's in trouble.
Nietzsche does come in to try and burst somebody down.
Jakiro's forwards over Satanic as he, he clack them into the ground.
Ace doesn't really have anyone left to help sustain or keep going.
The Narkas doing stuff, boy.
Trying to chase no one.
Triple S comes across to defend them, and a 9-class tossback at his satanic.
With three dead on Liquid, he's back again.
They're taking tons of damage over time.
His Ace is going to have 1v5.
The 9-class will do class and drop it lower,
and Niche is hunting in the back, but he's held back by the tinker.
Liquid in a 2 vs 5, still aiming for something, striving for a kill on Triple S.
Niche doesn't even want to have it on.
Are you all set? I will have to spend. Jump to the left. Jump to the right.
He's on the tree line with a flame break. He's sibling. Jump again. Back on the triple as in dies.
I knew him. He cannot really fight his way out of that one. And Ace says,
you know what, buddy? I tried to fight with you, but he teepies to safety.
I think Ace just ran out of mana eventually. But look at that damage.
What? 13,400. Just a testament to the sustainability that Paravision have as well.
They have the pipe over on Chen, they have the greaves, the tinker of course, healing himself up by going base and coming back again, void with the time walk and lifesteal.
They just have so much HP to go through.
Now, finding themselves with an 8k lead, Parabasic is going to be feeling incredible about the game state.
Can't remember last time I saw a teamfight where someone did 13,500 at 30 minutes into the game.
Basically 1v5.
Ah, suddenly losing the fight, though.
He didn't really kill anything at all.
It's tight in and out.
Amplified damage for no one.
Out there by 9 class as they pop the bongo boots and get onto the jikiro.
Another quick jump in, a blow-up on tofu.
Paravision, the shackle shot onto 9 class, returning fire, liquid.
Find an opening here on the bat as well, forcing a BKB and a SSS.
Nisha made the jump. Batrider.
Got shackles on the trees.
Paravision, they thought they had a freebie there, stuck them.
Oh, still under Carlos.
I'm a bit eager.
Foxy's under Carlos, Nisha jumps over the top and that's another one.
Three in a row.
Say, Tannick and no one looking for a Chrono.
Finds the Windranger, under tier two.
Sharves not going to block them out and the damage is good for Tannick and Largo's in trouble too.
You'll step into the sky so they can come back down into the ice path.
Foxy, Nisha trying to deal with the Faces Void and they get the jump done.
No one's speaking to the DD going for Liquid, they've overrun Paravision!
The frog is threatened! They finally get the sustained go that they needed!
Holy, the turnaround, the chain stun is definitely there on the side of Team Liquid.
You focus down the Wind Ranger, looked pretty bad for them to begin with there,
but then they showed the burst potential to have, the tusk, the void spirit, the jikiro,
all of them just working together, trying to hold this void in place and feed them up.
up while the team fights going on here in our tier 2 is their prize as well
this is Lago. I can't even say I'm just BK, he just wanders over the fight. I mean
Lago, the hero is definitely showing exactly why he is a hundred percent
contest rate at this Wallachia. It feels like when Paravision let Liquid come
to them it's all it's all sunshine and glory but when they make a move of
their own? Liquid's so good to snap and react very quickly.
It's really about whichever team gets the first pick off. It's always been the first
team that gets the pick off. Wins the entire fight. We saw again, nice shackle there.
And the chasing power of Liquid is insane.
Boxing in Asia can gap close quickly.
Satanic feeling here, just solo crowing. The windranger is worth it, but in the end...
The BKB running out, Yule Scepter into ice path, into chains done, chains done, chains done.
I'm just insane. No chance to time walk or anything.
No one, we had what? BKB, Ghost Scepter, tried to stick around to that tier 2 tower, tier 3 tower.
Yeah, still falls.
He did just respawn.
Ah, there we go.
Ah, he cronos me.
He's like, well, one man crono, you know, I'll take it.
And yeah, no one not feeling good about that one as they did get T-Bwiped.
Of course.
Back in live we have everybody respawned by now, back on the field.
Faces Void's still three levels away from getting at level 25 talent, really vital talent to get
becoming harder to burst and if you can't kill Void quickly,
Time walk can make it so you can never kill him.
And a lot of very cool tools there being pointed out by the observer in terms of defense into the chrono,
Wind Wakers, e-blades, all sorts of business to try and make said Tanix life a living hell.
Liquid are itemizing to deal with this.
There's a period of the game now they've entered, late game against Faces Void,
They need everything that they can throw into the chrono to save people
I think a massive one is as well the Shiva's over on Nisha not only for the healing reduction
Which is gonna be amazing here, but also just for the armor and stain so they doesn't hit or armor
They doesn't get bursted himself when he gets focused
Nisha pretending he's on a pogo stick
Having a little bit of fun. A little bit of bouncing. Mod golems are not impressed. Nothing never
Golem get you gone
group up for liquid being very cautious but this is time anytime you group up
as five is when tinker is just keeping around the map pushing out the lanes
and playing as wide a map as possible but when a big objective is alive in his
pit the Roshan man has to be contested it's one of those situations where
paravision probably feel like if liquid get this Aegis it's another
Another lease on life for them to go and push up high ground and we just finish off tier twos
Well, Paravision ages for them holds them in the game gets them to that late game with the faces void exactly
Yeah, he wants to drag it out even more going for an eye of Scotty to try and counter that heal
Well, they're gonna run into Joe. Hello, Boxy jumps from the jet
Tofu with a stun for the shotgun shot by the faces void. Can they heal him up? See Tanki's good!
Mid game finishes him off! Oh, Liquid! They've got this one in the back!
the team fight and nine of these paravision one by one they crumble.
Poxy's jump gives all the vision in the world to get them another spectacular take down.
He messed up man. He messed up on faces where he popped the masqueradas immediately.
He couldn't use his chrono, couldn't use anything.
Masqueradas immediately gets changed on, didn't get the BKB out or anything.
Painful. Oh that's rough. Painful satanic. Glory for liquid.
You can see it even there. The Masked Manus was unfortunate misclick. I don't know if he expected to be less heroes they ran into there, but...
It's just boxy, right?
Yeah, it's just a little boxy, surely?
Really fast!
But no, it's everybody.
I mean, the timing on that was Masked Manus in the Shackle shop pretty much immediately.
I mean, if that Masked Manus click was a BKB click, that fight looks entirely different, I think.
For sure.
It's a really unfortunate misclick.
It's going to move those items into the inventory now, stop the slots.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I happened in the wrong slot.
Ah, that's what everyone... I mean, seriously, that could be what happened.
It might just have been, and now Liquid, they're up on your high ground, taking Barracks down.
Ten seconds still for the face of Void to respawn.
You've got to still be wary, though, of the chrono and the plays here with the lasso from Batrider,
so Liquid will finish off the buildings and then retreat.
treat themselves an advantage sizable one and that mid racks always the nicest one to start
with making sure that pre-play that's always coming in level 25 logo that big boy
for s is eyeing up a potential goal not that easy when he doesn't have forced that for
himself pops firefly thinking about it in a case fronting four minutes on ages now
Ether Reven catches the Blink Toss play from 9 class, Tiny dead.
It's so fast from Liquid. They were so ready for that go.
Daedalus swapped in for the Windranger.
Massive damage from Mikkei.
Master of the Machines is annoying.
Triple S, he's got the jump. Lasso's ragged back into the base.
Forcing Mikkei into an awkward position as the Agents is claimed.
Swapping items back in as the Windranger though.
And a Chrono from Satanic lighting up her go.
Can they get him out of here and he saves from Mikkei? No!
The Anisha Void Spirit up in the sky comes down and disarmulates back to low ground.
Satanic jumps in, finds an opening on Foxy, trusts in trouble, but it's back and forth,
and the change starts on Satanic! Lick would have done it again!
They all in on Mikkei and Lick would have saved fine!
We've got the frog!
Boy, doesn't it bite him?
We've got the Void Spirit on Anisha!
And you're right, the Faces Boy has no buyback!
Two dead for 80 seconds, three in a row at Liquid, run Rackbot in your base.
The tinker has kept that dollar in trouble now. No one does have buyback, but you're looking at your base in disarray.
Tinker does have, but yeah, I don't know man, this top lane is definitely going to fall and I don't think they're leaving your base as well. They're going to keep going.
So I can't believe how fast Liquid are at recognizing those tiny minutes or other minutes by the seconds.
Yeah, literally an instantaneous reaction, go and avoid the time marked, and they punish him so fast.
So many counter-plays from Liquid just stopping everything that Parrys can throw at them.
Unfortunately, Satanic just not having the game he wanted the early game looked amazing, but late game, mid game, it's not happening in these teamfights.
This Trunks channel is in a Yatoro just not working out here, he's going to change his cosplay.
Two to then different as the tear-paws falling, 20 seconds for Paceless Boy.
I don't know if Liquid have enough time through the Crimson Guard to defeat the Throne as well.
Trying to hold the buyback on Tinker, but I don't know if they can. 30 seconds still.
Liquid are going for this.
There's no chrono, 38 seconds of chrono.
You're right, they're practically wide open.
He buys back on Tinker now.
Liquid, soft retreat.
Slowly does it.
Step back and group with Mika.
It's a full retreat. They're so happy.
That's a successful mission. They extract Gareth.
They don't retreat. They extract out of that one.
This is now looking absolutely hopeless over on the side of Paravision.
What once was so promising, now we see that the cracks have happened.
It's a matter of late game where of course Paravision's heroes, they're great in late game,
but now you're 17,000 gold behind.
So many resources the way of Liquid.
Even a Wind Waker complete on Void Spirit
with an A on this, can his quick buy
that he could buy entirely as well.
I think he will.
He's buying it.
Yeah, I mean, they have all tier two towers.
You're in a very safe spot to play without buyback
on the side of Liquid.
There's no way you're getting rexed.
Oh, jump up top.
Fox in mid-tale, they're onto the tinker,
so dive back.
No one's out of here for two minutes.
Liquid have a straight line from here to victory.
It's just going to be bottom. They're going straight through bottom, into mega creeps, into throne.
They could call for quick throne, but they have 105 seconds. There's no reason to rush.
May as well take the security.
Deseration.
They need the chrono of a lifetime here.
They need a tossback, a chrono, a jump, a lasso.
Okay, he gets grabbed and brought under tier 3 tower, but he's saved up by boxing.
Boxing the chrono is there cutting Lago and no the wind went get the cyclist in the sky wind register
I forced away still alive making will turn doesn't even die finally falls but a damage is done
Satanic will turn up the tofu now boxy with a bit of control to deal with faces boy
He gets him down a minute and a half gg called and liquid take the two over
What impressive stuff from liquid showing that it's not just about having one hard carry showing that all of them are
bringing so much to the fights. It was really the power of friendship in every single team
fight. Yeah, you kill a hard carry, but it doesn't matter. The rest of them, they just
combo up and kill down even the tinker. The Void doesn't matter who it is.
An incredible speed and reactions like you were calling from all the members of Liquid,
Boxy, Nisha, the counter-active plays beautiful stuff from Liquid.
Yes, Power Vision find themselves with a frog in their throat. It is an unbelievable
Overcome that of what you said was a draft that ultimately we got to the stage of the game where we thought paravision
We're gonna run away with it at that point. They had what they'd be eight ten thousand gold
Yeah, what do you what else you need guys before we get to the wow liquid part for p vision, right?
I thought at that stage of the game
They had a very clear
Situation to be in like okay, thank God we're starting with actually like why are you playing mid?
Your chronos on cooldown you built this lead you overcome the liquid aggression play the side of the map
Shock the waves in kind of wait for the coroner if you want to play for a move go closer to a tower
So I think can actually TP in and assist in that engagement going for this mid move again
Was just pointless in game one P vision had a pointless triangle play in game two a pointless mid engagement
Well, you have to go leave Chrono now just comes up satanic jump sinkley wind ranger if you'd waited like 11 seconds
You would have to avoid you'd have to think if you get the kills you'd wipe them 15k gold lead 20k gold lead
when you're looking at a game tree.
So, two games in a row now,
P-Vision have made some very fundamental errors,
and Liquid go, thank you very much.
We're happy to take this to vote,
and we'll get ourselves to the playoffs.
Yeah, because like, even after this fight,
because I fully agree, you know,
now they've got the frog,
he's just healing everyone to full.
You go from being down, taking gold,
and you can see it on no one's camera.
Like, he knows that this game,
realistically, if you play it clearly,
it's kind of in the bag.
And like, here too, like this highlight,
they smoke and smoke, run into each other,
and Boxie blinks in,
And there's no BKB pop.
Like this is like the type of moment where I think as a player like Satanic,
he's either talking or his camera is like on this lane ward that they have.
You know, he's ready and like, okay, when we go here and I break,
I'm going to Corona when in reality, you know, they're jumping into each other.
So Liquid just, they get the first job.
You die from full to zero with your faces void because I'm not going to lie.
I was scared for liquid in this game.
Like, oh yeah, because when they go behind or even when the game
was even at like minute 20, 22 and 25, I'm like, you know,
It's Void Tinker, they're getting there,
they're gaining more net worth,
they're very happy in the game,
but they kind of get those moments
where Tofu is what looks like out of position,
but it dates party into like a super bad spot,
and they just get the comebacks.
This is where you're gonna give a lot of praise to,
like the way that they play, the skirmishing style,
niche optimization as well,
like with the ULs very early on,
like try and punch a Tinker to be catching back riders
when he's jumping in, like in Void Spirit,
and like the supporting gang of Liquid,
don't itemize and play like this,
then we are looking at PVision just eventually taking over the game, right?
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, look, I don't want to necessarily do this and encourage...
Do it.
Bad behavior.
Wait, wait, wait, we don't know what he's going to say for the second time.
Yeah, you don't know.
That's true.
Bad behavior? Oh.
No, as in, well, the standout player, I think we gave it to Ace, so...
I mean, we never know. You might be talking about the files, but at least we're just talking about the...
No, no, I'm talking about the frog. I'm not going to lie.
I'm getting sick of the frog a little bit now, and it's only day three.
So, but also, you know, it just seems to be that all jokes aside from the day one embarrassment with dropping the eggs
Aces kind of got this hero just, you know in his pocket
He understands the parameters of how to use it in the fights to make sure his team always in the best position
And even in that late game, which we wanted paravision to get to so we could see that draft really come alive
I thought the logo was doing so much work to stop them getting the pick offs
Yeah, I mean against Tinker. He's like damage over over time. It's like multiple lasers multiple marches multiple little things
That's like up and lago the entire time. He's like I'm healing. I'm healing and then he's a bit as well to try
That's really good. I'd be like yeah, that was it's all these small things
And I think you have to respect what lago brings well we can check in with one of our representatives from team
They could we got tofu joining us now?
Thanks so much and first of all congratulations on the win
It was pretty hard fought over the course of the three matches that you played
But I think you've looked better match to match. I think you've got better as the tournament progressed. Do you agree with that?
Yeah, I think so too. Thank you also
But yeah, I think we're a really good stretch with the tournaments before also
But it was like a very long stretch
So we played for like over a month together almost every day with like one three day in between and then rolling into this tournament
I feel like we're like our peak before and then I don't know needed a little reset and things honestly felt a bit shaky on the first day
But I think we're like kind of back now
Can I ask you a question about the frog and I know you play the frog a little bit?
Largo seems very
Instrumental to a lot of the team liquid drafts. You're one of the teams favoring it as the first pick where
Maybe some some others aren't so much. Can you just tell us a little bit about that?
I mean and why you rate the hero in your strategies?
I mean I think most people and most teams value it pretty high and against most it's like
first pick or ban territory and the heroes just like
From laning into especially scaling just goes really hard
And if you like can't lock him down or burst him like his songs will go on forever like
I'm sick of hearing him, yes.
Like, I mean they introduced him to Captain Small Drutter quick compared to other heroes
and also didn't follow up with Balanced Patches so I think he's just like a little too strong.
You're saying he's too strong, unlike my voice that is failing me, yeah.
In Dream League you were banning Largo from Fast Pick and Second Pick, but then coming
into this event you've played it every game Bar 1, who was like, we should be playing
this more?
Is it like you with a blitz like who who actually locked in and said why are we banning this? This is our hero
Don't fully recall
Like when the hero got introduced I wanted to try it a lot and other teams also like we're trying on it
Then it fell off a bit and then got reintroduced into the offline role
With like mixed results and against other teams we were preferring other heroes over lago
Yeah, but I think with the current states. He's just like, oh no, you can't like ignore him
You pick him you ban him kind of thing
And you don't have to tell me the
I'm not sure if it is or will was putting more emphasis on it. Mm-hmm
but
Yeah, I don't know one of the boys. I also like playing it. So it's like an easy flex
My last question on lago. I promise those other questions here
Quote of genius, is there any combinations with Lago that you wish you could play?
Because we've seen Razor Lago, Quok Lago, is there any real big spell damage that you're actually hoping to eventually get through?
Again, maybe it's a strategy you're hiding, but maybe you're trying to push it to the boys.
If there was one super fun you should play with your friends somewhere,
Yeah, I'm not sure we like I don't have something like unique in that sense
Discovered is mostly like meta stuff where like almost all materials are like really strong on it
one thing that
You should maybe avoid it's like all spirits are really good except from storm spirit when he takes a very long sip
Spell is gone
Thank you very much. All right, you're told for this game. I think it got a little bit spicy
You know playing as a void thinker
I think your early to mid game wasn't as good as it should have been
What do you feel like went wrong because they had an in sync
They actually had like a 10k gold lead until they kind of threw the game jumping you mid
Yeah, I
Mean I think with good tempo early on from like wisdom runes into first runes. I think Nisha got all runes
Then like a bit of a stable game because crown of threat is always
there, we had some throwy moments where he shall me go and tinker top, miscalculate the
situation, we stack our stunts and probably wouldn't have enough damage either way.
And we die there, then we lost some other teamfight later where we're smoking in, where
we're like trying to play it safe and find like good smoke opportunities to like catch
them off guard to like open up the game, but fail once again, but the plan being
like these attempts where we try, we get chronoed, we die, it's like respawn and instant
plan B, chrono's cooldown, go again, so I don't know, it eventually turned into we just
need to keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing.
Sounds good.
I've got one last question and it goes all the way back to day one.
It's just for my curiosity, but your friend, colleague, teammate Ace obviously on day
one had that thing with the axe.
Don't do that around the bush.
I've got to know and the community's got to know what when that happened what was kind of because
We have a theory that pros kind of just laugh that off. They say that doesn't matter. Hey forget about it
We'll just buy in the rags. It's all okay
So I just wanted to get that on record once and for all that
Did you guys like it wasn't doom and gloom in the team in that moment was it kick them? Yeah
That's how many saw that game but from how I remember like I don't know the exact
timeline on how things went but all lanes went very bad with like some
fight with like some hope that we've lost and then I clicked for our heroes and I
was like okay guys we need to delay this game our next timing I think if Lago
gets to level 20 with like his armor aura we get BKBs we can come back
and then like 30 seconds later his agonims got destroyed and I think
Everyone was like, should we GG out, you guys want to keep playing, like what are we doing?
So the game was like pretty done at that point.
I think we kept playing for, I don't know, another good 15 minutes and actually won some fight in our base.
Where it was like, shit, if it didn't happen, we would actually win right now.
But I think everyone was like done anyway, so I was like fine, go next, forget about this game.
Any protocols in place now in Liquid? Like dropping items by trees, maybe?
Not in lane or back?
We also talked about it and the replay, it looked rather slow.
And they also made the jump at the same time, which is very unfortunate, but he actually wanted to drop two items.
All men agreed and that's illegal now.
Very good.
Well, thanks so much for being so honest about it all and as I said, it's great to see you settling in with Team Liquid.
Great to see Team Liquid in the playoffs of the mother Valahia and looking forward to seeing you play again.
Thank you guys.
There you go. Bye.
See, you go, don't do it, don't do it.
It turned into a good bit.
There you go.
Trusting old man Richard Lewis.
I was waiting for him to be like, wait, he destroyed it?
Because then maybe, like, maybe Ace...
Really good.
also this could happen.
Yeah, it's like, no, the game's fine, guys.
They're all playing it the entire time, quickly buys it again.
But I want to know.
Yeah, good to know.
And congratulations to Team Liquid.
We'll see Paris vision, obviously, as well.
They've still got opportunities to get into the playoffs.
Great talk to you.
For now, we take a break.
When we come back, we're going to get into the final series of the day,
which will be heroic versus Team Spirit.
See you in a moment.
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I said before that short break. So we're going to talk about heroic and in particular the talismanic you were
Tell us all about this player T
Speaks more tall languages very talent very true
And he is quite the carry in specific conditions, but we have to do a serial pool
He is aggressive in nature. Yeah, I don't know if you want to agree on that or disagree
But I feel like his best play style is the one where it's like I play inter lane have a clear item timing
and I look to break the map. And a good example of this is against the wall right here. There's a lot of mid lane aggression before this clip.
He's the Ursa. He's going for the pressure on the brew master to get a good matchup to the Ursa.
He actually kills both brew and lion in this clip. And because of this like mentality he got from the laning phase,
the rest of this clip packet will be Yuma like leading the charge that he's in.
Somebody was sneaking up here and got a steeped cancel huh from Ladeon.
Yeah, but I've also also like with what you're saying,
You can tell that not a single like not point one seconds of this clip. It's never like turn around
Yeah, he just for a minute and knew and I even here right like sure
He loses the ages but after ages we formed with the cover whisper a boom blink
I go to see it like when he has these games of like items connecting moments feeling good
But he will be the player to leave her work. Yeah, but at the top of the game, right?
My only concern for him is when the games thing isn't like this
He doesn't have these moments. He doesn't have the same confidence
He jumps in and he might die straight away, right?
But I feel like as a carrier, I really want Heroic to keep trying to create these moments because here we have the earth to do the same thing
We didn't want to show you any Nipo highlights because it would have been an extra three minutes of highlight three hours of him popping off, right?
But I think fundamentally I'm really excited to see Heroic when they win their lanes because that's when Nimo truly shines
Yeah, and I think it's also like because it's not just like Ty Long and like the other people in the team
I fully agree like it was also like around TI to me
He really stood out like one of the first times to me like very strongly
And I think he had a bit of a dip after but now it looks like he's he's kind of back at least with the heroes that he is
Getting to play and I think it's necessary for this team because I don't rate them in like the top six
But I think they have performances where you can't feel like they are
You know when they are on their a game and I just want to see you know more of that more consistency
Yeah, what what what kind of use is he favoring right now?
I mean, he's definitely like very heavy on like all his specialties. I think he's also like big on brood
he plays his Mipo, he plays the Ursa that we saw, you know, he's got like here too.
Like also overall when you look at Heroic generally speaking, this is obviously like not him, but like they are very, they have flair, like in their players and what they do.
Like Offlan, Whisper, no one else touches Offlan Pudge, but when they see a Shadow Fiend or like a Siam, you know, slow heroes that can easily be hooked, bam.
He will immediately lock it in, you have Yuma on the Mipo. Skyriff, some people dabble with it, same with the Tinker, we've seen it, but I think that's the cool thing about some teams and some players, especially them.
They do their own stuff and that's exactly what they need to do to try and beat spirit right spirit yesterday
We had the big scaling drafts that needed time to come online
Sure, they had some excellence between like the chronos and the support rotation bringing life to avoid something that pVision was
Slacking the last series here if heroic campaigner only game can have that
You know leaders through humor winning his lane breaking up into the game
We're not gonna see a full scaling line of spirit get to the 35 minute mark because that's where heroic needs to shine
They need to be this chaos of the first 15-20, the tower dines of a tier 2.
If they don't do that, then on paper spirit, they are just probably going to disband to them as the game progresses.
So what have you made of team spirit so far this season of Malahia?
I would say it looked pretty good.
Like there's definitely moments still where you feel like there's some cracks in the armor for the team,
but also I have to remember, you know, Lara was on like an extended break,
he's back looking very good, had no coach, now they have a new coach with Milan, you know,
like slotting all these things in.
Overall they have kept their strength off, they're very good at the mid-game gameplay, the late-game that T just mentioned.
But I think this is also where Heroic and the SA region overall thrive on the chaos.
And it is what can break the late-game teams and the more stable teams.
Also respect the Beastmaster.
In the third game of the series yesterday, it was, I believe, uncontested.
They didn't bother pick or banning it.
So it's not just where it's always going to go for it.
But it did feel like Spirit was very comfortable with the pick-off play of the Beastmaster.
And I gotta say for Laos, he is the type of player where he returns to that spirit, I look at their mid to late game, and I'm like, you know what, they can make these magical moments occur again.
Ever since Laos took a step back, they've lost this late game, there wasn't like this aura around them. They were just playing like, honest Dota, like we need to win lane and close out the map.
Like I wasn't feeling it, but when Laos back in, like, he really brings that, and maybe it's because other mid laners in that position, they talk too much, maybe they have weird ideas, they don't understand the true systems of spirit.
Maybe Laugh, even if he doesn't shot call, the fact he isn't shot calling is helping them because other people, you know,
it's like all these things that will never really know the answer to because we don't know the communication.
But again, I think with Laugh back on the roster, I am always expecting a slower looking spirit draft to feel like it can come online.
It's also, I think on the same note, like if you have to replace
Laugh and like play in spirit, like obviously I'm not a mid-player,
but I can only imagine if you're some guy standing in for this team, like,
it's really hard, I think, to like be confident, be yourself,
Make a lot of calls because yeah, you've got your Toro on your one
You've got the last on the other like where do you go?
How do you play your own game?
So obviously it's just great to see them like be back together because yeah this team when they play well as just s tier gameplay
But yeah to go back I would say to the Beastmaster that you did mention
I would absolutely not be surprised if heroic one this case their second pick so
consider banning it especially let's third have shown it to us if they ban DB on
five they probably won Beastmaster on eight but as the serious progressors
heroic play a really mean Beastmaster himself like Thailand this guy on screen
who he came to blast and kept dropping like 20 bombs yeah and then they failed
to pick it the entire playoffs don't get your style on that one yeah that's the
thing of the past we'll leave it there all right you brought it back up I did
you mean it's like in the past leave it in the past for a few minutes and then
we bring it back anyway I'm gonna talk about it congratulations team
spirit go pick your beast master looks good do it send it ship it clip it ship
it and clip it that's like the one dollar predictor that's a minus dollar
zero I mean it's also a word where they ignore it maybe after the the Falcon
series they want to be raised of course not that beat their spirit they get
beast master you can at least tell by the speed of which the heroic they
came out that they understand because there's not a lot of homework that
needed to go into this I mean that's the fun of the draft as humor is
currently looking at 35 different heroes so this is the entire A to Z hero pool
they're gonna pick one of them crazy good prep of course great prep no but
for heroic I think second pick in game one of a series can feel really nice
because all your prep is very simple say if they first pick this we go for this
We know what our band will be like it is probably easier to draft on that because when you're first because like what are the
Four bands gonna be what if they give us three options instead of two we normally want this
I think second pick is very comfortable to enter a series, especially when you know
It's you know in regards to like the history of draft spirit on paper. Just the better draft is right
So I think it's a heroic they're gonna be pretty
Pretty happy. I'm excited to see where they go with this of course warlock
The most generic five you can ever pick it means be stiff it goes to all flame will be fine
I'm just really looking at Thailand like what is the anti-beast here is if I do what biggest players you mentioned it
Him dropping like 20 kills in blast
He's gonna surely know like what the counters are like is it the queen of pain that we saw an ecu play
Like it has there has to be something to count to this era
Well, I'm yet to really see consistent counters to this master mid
It kind of feels like it plays every lane like I know it was a while ago and the hero overall isn't good
But Conqueror from second pick is always decent against beast again, you know depends do you play the hero?
Do you like it? Do you just think it's absolute garbage?
Because I mean beef I know that's not easy. I'm mr.
Laugh, of course
He can play beast but this carry beast overall has just looked so good for spirit
So I just hope that heroic, you know, they have an idea of like, okay
We're gonna put this double offline and we're either answering like the beast in the lane
Or we're gonna like block his ancients or steal his ancients or I have like some tide hunter
who then you answer his mid game and like the team fighting to make it annoying because do something about this guy
I mean I like the the fact that heroic they have good information to use right spirit father's game to
It was a beastmaster carry the timber offline the puck mid you you couldn't really see that additional call that was scaled to be like
The damage of the late game right you can like pop can
Ags and Miola and all this stuff
But it's not something you lean on right game on they had slardar storm
Phoenix of Sunward like plenty of damage to utilize the beastmaster
So maybe Heroic is going to try and push Spirit down the non-scaling style of draft.
Try and counter us, and now three more picks down the line,
and say, oh, god damn it, we don't have that way to hit the objectives and do all these other things.
So I think Heroic, they have the ability to try and threaten the drafting spirit,
but it's so far with Warlock that you're not going to be doing it.
It's this pick will start dictating what Spirit goes for.
You saw some of Tylen's heroes there as well. He's been rocking the Viper here.
I heard behind the scenes apparently that was more of they thought that might be the tech to counter the shadow fiends
So they were picking it when they were expecting to get that matchup. I think
Yeah, I'm not sure because I think even traditionally you should want SF into Viper like yes more so
But you know, maybe they know something we don't
Trusted generated a lot of debate let's say rightfully so I think yeah, but obviously the band the shadow fiend here
So I don't think we'll see him on the Viper
Probably not. They do take out the puck. I mean, you know Spirits, you've seen it so many times, the Laurel 18 pick, he gets a free puck game, kind of like same level as Nisha, they just, they can just take over games.
Right, one of the few teams that still, I say still, I think Falcons with Crip played it for the Jukero, and I think the other core has, he is that guy.
He is that guy that keeps playing it. I don't mind it, because it's very much a lane focus, like what Jukero you are going to make sure of your calls are farming, how we praise human, how he wants to play the game.
game you need a good lane so this concept isn't bad it's just like if the if
you're losing lanes these supports will feel weird on the map like a great no
grimoire charges on a warlock a jacquero that's just being eaten alive by one
beast jump or something like you can very quickly lose place in the game but if
you win your lanes sure these supports will be able to do a lot for you you
know also what happened to on the Lord didn't this year like just fully die
yeah but nothing even happened to him no he's very much should still be in
contention the fact that you can buy or is nice thing this year or two like the
rise of mr. Phoenix this year has looked incredible so many games identical to
the game one draft against falcons but this was the same draft picked order from
them and we already mentioned the potential damage problems for Beastmaster
Sunray it fixed that like you know throughout the entire game outside of
BKB, that's on Ray. Hero shall die. I mean generally against like Phoenix and
these it's nice a few of range carries I think one of the other ones they could
look for is like Ursa plus one with like one of the offlaners. It's also one
of the other reasons I thought of Underlord a little bit. This is like one
of the teams that I mean they kind of have to pick double core anyway but
even before if they didn't have it they don't shy away from it. Like
picking you know some tied Ursa, Underlord Ursa like you get this
double pick in there. I think it's good but I will say that obviously
still have options you know like who do you put off lane you can pick a new guy on 18 to also like slow down
Like the earth itself, but at least also what it gives you both teams are very happy in the midgame to like fight and be like around the
Roche, yeah, and there's mr. Viper
But they're using Viper
They're using it just to progress the draft in a sense that it can front line against the beast the shaman against Sunray
It can be sometimes awkward but they had to protect like whisper and the fact that beast can be mid offline or carry right
If they picked an offline here
Retour is like ah free more playing game give it to me or something you know
He would have seen the carry and you pick it so you know Tylong
He had to kind of take the hero for the team. You know what just give me the viper
I mean this monsters have also a lot to do with so you banned the puck because it's large
But it's also good like for you to pick Viper here because I'm not particularly impressed with this pick
I think like beast is quite good against it
I think like storm as well like sure whatever you use from jungle with a weird lane
But yeah, exactly and it's like it's how spirit have played all the other days
And that was something different whatever but it's like this is like they're offline answer
I think it's one of the few melees that can actually like hold their ground against Ursa
You bash him in the face your high armor yourself and put the puddle down so and it's like another layer of like okay
You're playing Ursa. You want the first ages now
So you have another Hero for Spirit that makes it even easier for yourself to take Roche,
and Viper hates this.
Obviously Viper is good against Magic Damage, but Slardar turns anyone into a Viper Killer.
Yeah, Heroic, their lineup feels like it needs, like I already mentioned it before about having
to win lanes, but that you need to win lanes, you need that Battlefury Blink on Ursa, and
if he's not leading the game for you, everyone's kind of waiting around, and then
Spirit, they've got four of the five Heroes that they beat Falcons with, and we saw
its excellence.
Heroes in tandem, they have pick-off play between Slalom, Shaman, and Beastmaster.
You have Roshan and Pimento.
You can do everything with this lineup if you have bad positioning.
And again, my fear for Heroic is, if the game's even,
the ability to hold an area is really difficult.
It's like Viper must stand up front, or Earth has to stand up front.
Supports have to hide in the tree line.
Like there's not some simple...
This guy, plus this guy, they can never come into our area.
Spirit can play the pick-off game.
Like, Heroic haven't stopped them from that.
So whatever this 24 pick is, whatever Whisper is playing,
really needs to be the kind of the combo breaker to stop Spirit from making these big kills, like protecting some of their line up.
Because for now it looks like kind of simple, like you go in with some, you know, blink stun, haze on one guy, you drop an egg, and now it's okay.
One Ursa that's coming to kill the egg, he's just going to get roared every time. Where's this, like the supports from Heroic, they want to like follow up, rather, or okay, Warlock, he can counter play to some extent.
But yeah, luckily their last pick, maybe they can swing it.
Earth is just by himself, right? With this blink timing. When he jumps in, who else jumps in?
Viper's gonna have maybe like boots of trouble aggs or something, maybe Greaves aggs.
You're not really going to blink on the heroes. It's like Earth jumps in, everyone's like,
yeah, good luck, we've been even you! And then he's like getting everything thrown at him.
And he has to put on a show, which he has done in some of the other games he has played, but...
It's always nice when Dota is a little more simple as opposed to, you better drop 20 kills or we'll take the L.
Okay, so Mars, Tidebands, which of course are pretty good. I think this is a moment like for heroic
It's nice if you can find a hero tier already mentioned. I think combo break is nice
I think also if your hero builds like a Lotus orb in like, you know the second item
You know maybe like some pipe Lotus whatever to help you out whether it's an underlord or somewhere else
I do think that would be nice
I'm trying to think it's
I don't think I want through it just feels too slow buying like my Dismount acts
Yeah, I mean you talk about pipe and ores and then like whisper darks here
And this gives like movement to the earth so that I'm still like
It's some additional lockdown it just it's awkward in that path under one as well
It's like not locked down. It's just kind of aura. I want aura, but I also won't lock down
Entore is also like not great. You hate centaur. You don't you hate slaughter. You don't do much to beast
It's a bit tough
I mean at least for Spirit, I would say one annoying thing like having to draft against Viper, Ursa together
You generally don't want to play melees into Viper mid because you get kind of owned
You also see it from the band since a lot of range heroes being banned out
But range heroes also generally suffer against Ursa because they're easily jumped in the mid game
Because often here you would see like some some leaners some snipers from here that survives the lane against Viper
You kind of cheat your way through
But isn't this then we talked about punch before like potentially just do something about you pick the punch
You hook the boar a couple times if you're lucky, and then you just exist, it's another blob.
And then Heroic's lineup is like, you try and pick us off, but to pick us off you have to eat an entire Viper, a Pudge.
And then you was like, hey, hey, hey, in the backline. Like, I've got my Bash and Nullifier and I can kill anyone, right?
Like, there is a world that Heroic's playing more towards that style.
Play strong lane, sit back, hit creep, get tanky, and wait for Spirit to make a mistake.
But that's always scary.
At least it gives you it gives you the chaos, but I don't like playing Pudge into Sardar or Phoenix
That is true. I still have yet to find a hair that I like every hair I've mentioned I'm like something's wrong
I breathe through the wrong doctor through the wrong part shows role
At least some of those for heroes. I mean, I actually like this pivot because I think I did at last
I think you wanted to see this matchup
I was either you or Quinn like one who you see the beast into the body. I love to see this match
Because now I think you've created in theory two lanes that the viper could suffer and or at least she doesn't dominate like
Weaver Phoenix you're not doing that. Well as a viper in the offline
So you're probably going mid against beast. Maybe you're doing fine, but overall
I mean, I feel like they should be regretting this viper pick before this game is now even starting like I wouldn't want to touch
This year on this game. It's like the race to
Like the 20-minute mark as well, and it's an outside lane. Let's say it's even that's a vibe
We didn't get killed everything. It's like whoever goes to rush first will delete it
Whoever goes to the men's first will delete it so in an even game state
It really is a matter of like where do you want to play on the map if you play in the wrong area?
You have a team will just absorb all these really good timings and however
They do go for the concur here
That's mentioned earlier as like an old-school counter to the Beastmaster
Yeah, and we'll see you in the right place to get the million dollars
It's like what I don't understand even think of it from like a theory you know beast is first pick
Which, whenever you pick your core, you can just follow him.
Why do you wait until 24 to pick, yes, when you could have picked it earlier and they can always follow?
Probably wouldn't have had to pick the Viper.
Yeah, and he didn't even follow him, at least now from what we see.
I think it's Laurel mid and Whisper off him.
But okay, you know, maybe it has, there's different reasons.
It's okay against Weaver.
I mean, I don't think it's particularly great.
The thing with Kunkka is like, it is the hero that historically was outdraft kind of like stun, team fight, easy control.
We'll pick Kunko because he kind of does a bit of everything, right?
The X mark, the turret, the boat, and of course with Jukiro, Ice Path and the Golem, like,
there's enough to argue there's, there's playability.
There's playability, like, Ursa can use his team to get a kill.
It's just the fact that, like, I am worried at how clean Spirit Son of looks, like,
if they do win lanes, we've, I'm expecting to win his lane.
He's gonna get an early Aegis, he might go for a Decibel build,
he'll eat the wall up Jukiro alive, like, everything really boils down to
You were doing well grabbing his other course and then we need to kill kill kill kill kill. All right. Well, I'll bring in our casters the wordsmiths
How are you doing? Yeah, what do you think of this one?
I mean, it looks like a pretty easy weaver game like okay
They've got this conquer to grab him with x mark and deal with him through a couple of stunts to Kiro
But that's kind of not counting the fact they've got counterplay with sunray blink slaughter crush
The shadow sharpen shackles right when the rest of spirit come in. I think we can break free
Yeah, I think a big thing for me as well is that I really like the heroes that I got first supports here
They got Rue on the shatter shaman. We've seen him do some really nice wonders and then we see Panto as well coming in here
On his Phoenix. I'm excited for how this one is gonna play out. I mean what Panto has been doing on the Phoenix has just been absolutely
illegal, yeah
Like who has been doing some crazy moves on shatter shaman. So yeah, I can't wait for this one
All right. Well, yeah the game is ready guys
So you don't have to wait because you start doing your custom jobs cheers Richard
Off we pop into the game
Game one team spirit against heroic
Victors so far through the Swiss looking good, but at his drafter potential rough one for heroic
We'll see how they get through the lane stage that feels really important for her to get a good leg up in the first 10 minutes
I think so anytime that you have viper
It's always a bit hinging on having a good laning stage the hero is kind of known as win lane lose game
And ideally you don't lose lane because other than that it's not too easy to play this hero in particular as Kessler pointed out
All this miners armor, you know that they really have drafted a solution for Viper
It looks really scary to play the team fights into Rasta ulti, Slaura ulti, Weaver bugs
You could definitely get shredded. There is that ability for Heroic though to kind of play through Yuma
You know we saw the highlight clips
We know that Yuma on the earth is an absolute monster
So if they're able to get out of laning stage and into that you know 20 to 25 minute period where you mahas the battle fury blink then moves
Towards those bikini basher kind of items if they get this X mark
Into torrent combo ice path and ursa's just roll alpha damage
They could blow someone up get numbers advantage and that's how they play out the fights
I just think it's a challenge against roar shackles supernova sunray and you know collapse Slardar is an absolute beast
Yeah, you're gonna need a lot of help, but that's where they have some stuff
They have the boats for the extra protection as well for your team
You have the combo break of dropping a chaotic offering
So if they ever commit on the viper it could be turned around as well
I'll see how how they're gonna be able to react to those teamfights, but yeah
Scammy 2 for 2 on the bounty runes. So a little weaver attempt to steal didn't get it though
Not gonna happen this time. The mid lane viper against the Beastmaster
Tylong against Lael. So far good by Lael to keep the two Boars alive so he doesn't lose any of that early advantage that the extra
the extra hero he has in the lane basically to help him out last year.
Yeah, in general it's a matchup that would be hard for a lot of melee heroes
but Laurel having those Boars is essentially one and a half hero half being arranged so he should be pretty okay
It is Viper favored but not by a massive margin
I feel it cool, the POS4 Gikiro, not something we see an awful lot, but it has been tried
and tested alongside the Kunkka.
You can trade into the Phoenix decently, get some good damage on Yattrow, who is the squishy
bug in the bottom lane.
They should be able to give at least the Kunkka some farming and some levels early
on.
Yeah, and if they can prevent the Pulse, then Kunkka should theoretically be laning
quite decently against Weaver with the Tidebringer dealing damage all the time.
But for now, the small camp available and Yathro are already making use of it.
And Yathro are going for a ton of stats there just to try and beat himself up, double-circle it, gauntlet.
Looking for the early bracer to stay as tanky as possible.
And weaver is insanely squishy if you don't buy a ton of stats.
We're getting double bracer.
Yeah, looks like he's committing fully for two bracer.
Sometimes we see one wraith man, one bracer, or even a gnoll for just a man, I'm just a fan.
fan but yeah no falcon blade rush as well as another alternative for him that's
the thing right if he is looking at this game as you know all I have to do is
survive X mark ice path and Ursa damage then I should be fine yeah I think he's
really in need of some HP region on lane as well with the harassment coming in
from a jikiro and the tide bringer from conca makes sense they want these
brazers so far so good for whisper 12 and 2 with the weaver sat at 7 and 1
So Herok have done a very good job early days here, across the board all three of their cores last hitting very nicely
Pretty even in the mid lane just a few additional denies there for Tylaung to get ahead of Larl
But again like you said Viper versus an LA hero, everything that Larl gets he's gonna be happy with.
Exactly, and Viper is...
Hello, Yuma, he's gonna break free of Ruin, collapse, but taking a lot of damage in the process
King Jungles have to spend the Shadow Word on the Ursa already
Doesn't have more spells sadly on Shadashama, no level 2 yet, he gave a lot of solo experience
to collapse to his level 3 already, but he would need the hex or Etoch octail to finish
the job.
He just bonded, he bonded the little creep camp.
Yeah, I did try to pull it.
Yeah, he put the bond, but I'm not sure he didn't really hit any of the heroes.
I wasn't sure what was going on there.
I think you did it to stack right? You could use Bond to stack from far away if you're not there in time
So yeah, he got stack on the small camp and now he could pull
I just heard the noise, didn't see what was happening
Yeah, yeah, if you're too late as Warlock to get the stack or the pull you can use fatal Bond from very far away
Long range spell
Oh, there we have it, there we have it, yeah, stacked and pulled
Dragged the lane back so you can farm on the tower
Collapsed and Rue have to contest it and drag that wave around
It is a pretty big advantage from her early on and lasted values already like paying 20 at all three calls while team spirit really lagging behind
I think importantly the conca having such a good time down bottom
The the Phoenix not really able to go up and be oppressive because jacquero is just you know one of the absolute
S tier laning supports. Yeah arguably the single strongest one after maybe warlock and that goes. Yeah
That's what we look at right is that that first early pick the double support pick was kind of like huh
But now it will make sense very strong secure lanes up top going on Ursa
Difficult to begin down though the heal collapse has some slides on him crush to hold them back and feel the cause arrival
I'm not gonna signal a kill collapse and we were able to dip away
Okay, his TP up top on J'Kiro does give some space down bottom, while the Phoenix and Weaver
could possibly together play on Whisper.
And I guess the moment that I was looking at those asset values there was a pretty big
gap but Team Spirit must have had waves arriving in towards them so they've caught up for the
most part.
And yeah, like you say with J'Kiro moving, Whisper is then fully zoned out of lane
by Panto.
And that's Teolikor without boots, having to make his way down back bottom as well.
He's going to go through mid, looking to make something happen under creep wave
on the tower here. Larl?
I'm trying to dive Larl. Blood grenade.
A few slows and some spit from Ty Lungs.
You get the damage onto Larl and get them first blood to feel the core.
That's nice.
I mean, that was a pretty expected move after he'd TP top,
but perhaps he thought he went for the gate instead, dumb bottom.
That's all I would assume, yeah.
Yeah.
To feel the core ever sneaky.
Panto needing to reclaim his small cap at other sentry.
Expended as he dives onto Whisper to get a bit of harassment damage. Again, knowing that Shakiro's not here, doing everything you can to zone Kunka out of lane.
But the continuation mid with a ward behind Tower, that dived from Tyrone again onto Larl.
The Viper's threat throws the axes in towards them, but the Viper's strike in the damage over time, it stacks up and brings the Beastmaster down once more.
Rue?
Trying with Yattaro here. We've been making a swift move into mid lane. Swarm across, Shakiro should fall.
Tylong's gonna flap his wings and get some distance.
Early TP from Yator are showing willingness to join his team.
Coming up control the runes at least, but losing your mid laner twice there back to back.
No TP for him.
Not quite a dieback, but it feels worse than one even.
Especially on a hero like Beastmaster who we know notorious for needing that early
agonim saptor he feels just left behind completely.
It's a big expensive item which the components of which don't really do anything for you
It is all about spending all the money to get the full eggs
Yeah, you and I have been talking about it on previous casts here that agonist after on beast is such an important timing more
So than anything else collapse. Let's get caught out on top farming pretty greedily
Another push with a catapult wave
Yeah, look like he wanted to try and stop the push from coming in clear out some creeps before it arrived at
tower, but heroic. They're speeding things up, diving past the tier one onto Rue's Shadashaman,
Tyloan making a move, as quick as he can on the Viper. They have seven minutes in, wisdom
shrines, probably going to get the double honestly. King's jungles and Yuma stay left,
Viper TP to the right, Phoenix cannot contest. Oh good ward though, by Ponto he would have
died if he walked around the corner, but he puts the ward on the hydra and sees
the Viper and can now back out and is still alive. So yeah, you're right, double
wisdom rune. Very strong passage of play from Heroic, again keeping this
trilane in action through almost dropping not quite enough damage to finish
him off. See if Yuma is so exposed here as Laurel makes a rotation trying to hide
in the fog of war behind the tree line. It's level six with a roar but no one
from Heroic is offering themselves as an open target. King Jungles is not too
far away from having that ulti available as well. 48 experience needs of
Of course there's 680, 300, or 600 available on the grimoire soon to be litera.
Yep, he can pop it any moment now, just needs to have the mana to use his spells as well.
Ideally, when I have the fatal bonds as well with it.
But that mid tower, looks like they're going to open it right now.
Might not even need to golem, but they see a chance to get Beastmaster, they will
go for it.
That deep ward is so valuable for them.
Not just seeing Laurel, but also potential TP reactions.
They drop the Column on the Tower, wipe a strike, return to Roar, damage over time on LAR looks good from Thailand to give chase
but they've lost track of him and they decide the Tower is more important than diving.
No reaction from Team Spirit though, he's giving up this early objective.
Yeah, even if they don't get to kill a Beastmaster, you used Roar so that's minus one tool for him.
You know he's just gonna AFK farm Jungle and not make any active rotations
and they can swing in, steal enemy Jungle and then go towards that top tower.
Very, very active pace here from Heroic.
Now, shutting down a lot of these Spirit Heroes who are quite item-reliant.
He talks about the Ags on Beastmaster, but we've equally got Slardar, who needs his Blink
Dagger to play actively.
The more you shut him down, the better, but Klaas has been able to turn with Panto here
to clear out the Alacor.
TP in from the Viper, chasing into Panto with Yuma, dive away, but the triple fatal
Bonds?
Well, there's no more chase.
Look tasty, though.
You get three people caught in the barns and they're like ooooh!
Yeah, they all get far enough at least, but yeah, that Golem took the mid tower, went top, takes the top tower, they lose one hero, but completely fine as they force three heroes to run away.
I feel so good for Yuma, getting closer and closer to that battle fury.
Early travels is up on Tylong on his Viper as well. I think this is smart in this game. You need mobility.
Like normally you can see Viper sometimes build this unkillable, like oh I'm gonna go for the...
Crimson, I'm gonna stand my ground maybe at Dragonlands but I don't think that
works that well here since the Minus Armor is really really strong on two
Spirits instead having mobility is gonna be better for surviving especially when
you've got a hero like Kunkka who is your be all end all team fart or skirmish
starting kind of guy you want him to be out on the map kind of dealing with
his weaver pushing waves Viper's on the opposing side of the map and then
you want to join into the Kunkka yeah also makes it easier for him to
play this fast pace that they have been going so far can go towards that bottom lane very easily
just by traveling. Failor call really hangs balls. Your breath and the haste that you carry
chases it down. I mean it's it's very nice you get a lot of experience a lot of gold has his level
six. Golem is about to come off cooldown in 30 seconds as well so they're smoking
because the line being drawn they want to go behind and back to bottom. They know that there's
a beast master farming somewhere in the jungle but I think the priority is towers for them.
Make the map as small as possible, force Spirit back into the tight pockets of farm.
And here it is, the X mark on the Weaver, the FlipTP of the Viper, gets him on top of Yattaro.
Still a hash, Shikuchi, and time lapse, though, so it breaks free of Whisper.
Of course, the primary objective is, as you said, the Tower.
A combo a little bit off the mark, Whisper, but they're doing it.
Get the building, at least.
And in the end, you, Spirit, are spending most of this game just running away.
A 4k lead emerges for Heroic.
5k net worth on pretty much all of their cores.
Beastmaster and Slot are in need so much time to try and catch up.
They need to hit some of their ulti as well.
They need the supernova, they need Rasta ulti.
Without that team spirit, you can't really take a big team fight.
So for now just trying to leech whatever they can, but Rasta has to be careful.
Travels on Viper means you can't get too close.
No.
Especially with all the space that's been given to Heroic.
It's a place any deep observable, you never know when you're being watched either.
And all this is smoke and mirrors, just showing yourself all over the map, meanwhile, Yuma,
the bear, stirring in the woods, getting bigger, seeing what he can do when he has a good game
on Ursa.
So far, mirror deaths, got some kill, full HP tier 1 tower, so plenty of room for him.
Some madstone over in the neutral camp, should be going game.
He's closing in on that Blink. 300 or so gold away from it, but it's not just the Blink, you need this coinciding of items.
Aghanim's Beastmaster, Blink's Slardar.
I think what he needs is coinciding with the levels. Get level 6 on both the supports and then they can group up together with the Slardar.
Maybe you can fight close to the Beastmaster or something, we can just run in and help out, but more than anything they need these ultis.
Supernova is available. Rasta is working on level 6 on Midlane.
Yeah, there eventually
Things slow down for a moment the spirit could have happy to be able to just get it a
little bit of relax time
Breathe in breathe out hit some neutral creeps not being run out by the Viper relentlessly
No, not non-stop heroic. It's controlled aggression. They are dominating the map
They've taken every tower, but they're not just mindlessly starting to slam into a tier two towers makes no sense instead
Just playing their advantage
Just showing themselves. Oh, see of course as hello to Yathrow. This place isn't necessarily safe for you
So it does elicit some kind of reaction from Panto to sit behind the weaver and stand
Well, we see Tylong back in the jungle tons of stacks to be cleared out
probably gonna see
Increase in tempo soon coming out from heroic when the pipe finishes on the conca. It's not super far from it
It's 100 gold. I think yeah
Having the pipe complete before Agadence is done on Beastmaster is really a nice thing
to feel as well.
Like, okay, we're prepared for that Beast Axe.
It is mainly magical damage the Beast is going to be dealing.
It doesn't have the raw unleashed power that the angst was normally having.
A thousand gold to go now for Laurel.
Blink Dagger is looking like it's going to come in in a very nice timing for Ursa eventually
here, sitting at 800 gold already, clearing ancient stacks, as efficient as he can.
Panto making sure he's not being caught, just acting as a walking ward in that bottom jungle.
Sees people coming, dives away, keeping tabs on where Heroic are lurking.
So I haven't seen them group, I'm always concerned when I see someone go for like
early Blink Dagger like Collaps did in this game and then you don't get value
out of it. You don't have something to play for immediately. It has to be a little bit
bad for him to just like quietly be farming. Meanwhile, Heroic of course is wasting no
time.
14 minute row, Shen. And TPing top to defend tier one. Not giving an inch to Team Spirit
A as they drop the Serpent Ward on the tower. Whisper TP's up here as you make counters
up the Aegis. Team Spirit do back up though, giving Collaps and Rue a little bit of safety
on the avenue back through that top lane.
Yeah, in the end, these Rasta wards not really doing too much.
Tower's going to be happy, Whisper farming up all the wards,
get healed up again, and in spirit,
they're just looking towards late game.
They are a very strong comeback team overall, Garrett,
but I'm a bit concerned about this one.
The Earthside getting this big 600 gold blinktagger
will come online.
It's going to be a 16-minute blink.
Is it one of those situations, though, where this is like necessity for Heroic?
You're thinking about the curve of the game.
Is it something that their draft kind of was required to do to get a platform to launch
themselves off?
I don't even think it's that bad, to be honest, like that they needed this.
Sure, Viper, he wants this.
Viper is ultimately a hero that wants to play on an early timing, but looking at
the rest of it, like, Ursa is a harder carry than Weaver in my eyes.
He's gonna win that man fight 9 out of 10 times I think, if you ever have these two just battling it up
and with the speed that he's playing here, he's a thousand gold ahead of the Weaver, they've taken all these towers.
I think they're in a very comfortable spot to play this, you know, without feeling any stress or urge to just go too early.
The more key item time he's having here with the Crimson God on Thailand, very tanky viper,
gonna be able to defend himself against the Slotter and Weaver somewhat.
crimson is up pipe is up and they have the blink dagger coming out for us I
think this is a crazy crazy power spike they're hitting especially holding
ages for three more minutes they've got tons here to make a move and they
split yathrow quick shikuchi but quicker whisper x mark into combo
damage is good even the golem dropped don't know if it was required but KJ says
screw it I just dropped that golem it's gonna be on the field anyway it's
not an ulti that you're gonna miss when you use it you're gonna use it
to push, and you have fantastic pick-off, just a little bit too greedy farming your bottom
jungle there for Yatharo.
Right next to a tier two?
The thing is, you have very limited information.
If you pay attention to their map vision right now, it's so limited.
They are going to smoke behind, trying to use the respawn timer, their first really
aggressive move by Team Spirit, collapse leading the way.
It's just collapsed, yeah.
Smoke behind, smoke breaks.
I don't know if he caught a glimpse of the Ursa there, but he's lurking in the shadows and getting jumped by Yumo.
The Slardars forced to pack it up and move to the right-hand side while Yatro gets Xmarked again.
Whisper throws the dust at him,
kills off the tier 2 tower, and again, heroic. Not going too deep, not over-committing, just going through the objectives that they actually came for.
I think they cooled initially there to try and combo him with the Xmark.
Fortunate for Weaver.
The bottom tier 2 gone as you mentioned, now heading towards mid.
It's looking very methodical.
Yeah, quite a low kill game, but that now Earthly is building for Heroic.
It does give time for Rue to finish up perhaps his item up top, the Shadow Shaman.
If he gets his Blink Tiger, we see how sneaky Rue can be.
But mid tower is again looking like it's not going to get defended.
There is maybe a chance, there's no Warlock ulti, but I think they want to avoid this crimson pipe timing.
Well, Heroic scanned this left-hand tier 2. They knew someone was moving over there towards the jungle.
I don't know if Yuma was hunting for a straggler over there, because he comes to clear the creep wave,
but Spirit have a response. Shackles into Roar and Sunray, takes the first life of the bear.
Whispers here to help back him up, defend the teddy bear with a bit of torrent and bow action.
Rue is going to feel the pain. He shackles up Yuma, but gets munched on.
Trying to kill the Earths, I mean it's optimistic since he has the Aegis, they've got him once at least, but now you have cooldown as well on the Roar.
This strikes me as like making whatever play you can when you carry just wants to keep farming.
All sorts of scribbling going on the map, I'm just gonna try to figure out where Yattero's farming.
It wasn't bottom, it wasn't mid, where must he be?
Now he shows on that bottom tier 1 tower, so, alright, we're not...
The Xmark is coming, who is he picking?
Oh, he's gonna go for collapse, it looks like.
X mark and Torrent onto the slaughter, bring the numbers in, with a magic damage from Takuro, Yuma will take him down.
Yattro doesn't even get a tower, denied by Whisper, and the weaver has to shikuchi away.
I like that Yattro just keeps hitting the tower, he's like, yeah, sorry friend, you're dead.
Uh, lad, they picked you, I will just farm a little bit more and then leave.
Panto, skirting around the trees.
Whisper, he clips in with that torrent. A guy of a way that gives the distance and I don't think they can catch him.
It's a good clip but he missed the X mark afterwards, didn't have vision.
So just going back a few minutes, this early Roshan, what, 14 and a half minutes in from a heroic,
kind of starts that cycle of Rosh respawning much faster, right?
Yeah, it's a very common thing that you will see teams do when they have Ursa,
partly because you can kill Rosh there early, but also because of how important it is.
Oh, Yattler runs into Yuma!
Oh, hello!
Shukuchi on cooldown for a little bit, that's probably giving him a bit of a fright.
Just gonna be fine though.
Mass Tormentor is about to spawn, of course, we see all of the Heroic going towards it.
Orisa can take it solo, probably gonna pass a heal to him and just let him do it.
In the meantime, that 6k lead is kind of plateaued from Heroic.
No major gains in the past couple of minutes in terms of the net worth.
Until now, they take the Tormentor.
And it's been testament to Team Spirit being able to get in behind and find these little shadow pockets of farm where they can,
but it does leave them open to situations like this where Rude was protecting Collapse, the buddy system breaks apart.
Collapse says goodbye friend.
This is reminding me of DeKal is Rasta game where he was just out there very sad not having anything he can really do across the map,
just kind of dying while scouting and providing vision for his course.
But ultimately Team Spirit are saying, sorry, it's going to be a little wild before really ready.
DKB is in the makings for Beastmaster, 800 gold more.
But even once he has that, I don't know if his team is ready, they need so much before they can really fight out in the open.
Still crazy to think though, even given the game state and the way the hero could be playing,
Team Spirit are still that notorious one-fight team.
All they need 30 minutes in is that one battle to turn the tides flip the game get their advantage
Yeah, they're they're the comeback Kings, right? They're insane at turning around a bad situation
But this is already looking pretty damn grim. Are you also just gonna hold nice in place?
Well done by the other core
In comes the rest of spirit though supernova gets off the bears in trouble with the Sunray on him
They don't kill the egg off in time they take him down, but they lost so much for it
Lawl picks up a double kill, including Yuma!
He just not had vision on him around the corner there, because he had the ulti ready, I think, on the Ursa, but the roar catches him by surprise.
Now, he got hit by the Rasta first, and then he didn't have a chance to use anything, so I guess the blink on the Rasta was what caught him out.
Finally, Ruu gets to do something.
That's the press and buttons on heroes! A thousand damage on that Phoenix!
that Phoenix. We've talked about it a length of this. Hot spot Phoenix of Panto is insane.
Yeah it does crazy damage. It really does. The Sunray is really really powerful, but that
was an important take down. Getting the Ursa, now allowing themselves to get on the map.
One thing to do to Spirit's credit is that they are so fearless. Even in a game where
they're far behind, look at how they're playing the map. They have players everywhere.
They have Slardar down bottom farming, Rasta on mid pushing out, Beastmaster enjoying
top part of the map, while weavers farming ancients. So they're being very efficient,
despite being on paper a lot weaker. That shows an incredible read of the map of the
game. There are a couple of wards out there for them to see what's coming, but some frantic
scribbling from heroic, kind of feeling that momentum slip out of their hands a little
bit. Yeah, heroic's downside is that their drafts, while it's super strong, is strong
as a 5v5. They're really good at fighting around their macro pyre, golem, kunkaboot
and so on. But when you start splitting up a lot, that's when Weaver, Slardar, these
type of heroes are very strong. Even Rust and Beast are very good pick-off heroes.
A big smoke from Heroic looking to try and claw back some more of this lead.
Sweeping through that southern jungle.
Yeah, they know. It's actually Team Spirit who draw the line knowing exactly what
the smokers. Spider sensors are chingling.
1-ray supernova comes into play, collapse moves forward on the whisper now.
Bashing and crushing his way into the cooker, a yule to the sky just engages him and Jukiro
for a moment, but Taitlang with a spitz, Xmark drags back in, kill off the collapsed slaughter,
heroic lose their Ursa, but at least get 2, it's not over yet though, as Yathrow comes
in with the Beastmaster help, golem's dropped on their heads though!
KJ!
King jungles and Xmark as well is going to pull back to Phoenix, has to dive though,
but still the Viper touched him.
can't get away. Too slow under the spit-so-tile on that double kill for the Viper and a Team
Viper for Heroic. That's a Team Viper after it started out pretty disastrous. They didn't
have a chance to get the double protection levels going on Ursa. I think Yuma trusted
they was going to get Pyke plus Crimson Guarded, saved there as he didn't have a
chance to get the ulti out before the roar, but they weren't in position to
really save him. How could they turn it around? What patience were King Jungles
as well, keeping its positioning, knowing the jump is likely to come.
Impressive stuff for Heroic. And pretty well timed as Roshan's about to reach board
as well.
You see Viper on minimap, he's so far away, he can't really get here to try and protect
him. He wants to go on Crimson Garden, but he doesn't have it. A little bit too late.
Quite aggressive and eager from Yuma to go up that high ground. But Tylong's so
tanky on his Viper, able to stand there, gets away from the sunray.
Team spirit they thought they could sense blood in the water. Yeah. Yeah, Laurel
committing hard for the blink in there. After the takedown on collapse, thought
they could get some more punish. We have a teamfight brewing right now though, Phoenix.
Same place again. And a Yule and a Slava is gonna catch up, collapse. Heroic come back in,
they claim another couple of lives. Not two kills, Roche up and available. Not gonna
and look for too much more, just go for the easy roche.
Soon UMA is gonna have the DKB,
so then he doesn't have to be as picky,
holding his ulti all the time,
he could always either use the ulti or use the DKB
and still have one level of protection afterwards.
And those two teamfights showed how vitally important
it is for Spirit to have the Shadow Shaman
and Slardar alive.
All the lockdown from them in his extended fights.
And yet he can rely on the roar and the supernova
for the big one-shot teamfight combo,
But if you want to continue battling, you need the slaughter to be playing the in and out style.
Whisper, by the way, is addressing how there's so much physical damage focused on Team Spirit,
and he's going for a heavy armor build, already sitting at almost 40 armor,
got the loaders and now a plate mail with a tough essence ring as well.
So there, tanky Kunkka.
Yeah, incredibly strong.
A little chip damage on the tier 3.
A heroic plan to ban it down, and allow Tarlong's Viper to stand up and hit the objective.
Currently, no indication that Spirits are going to mount to proper defense.
Weaver and Slardar are out on the map, still trying to push out Tier 2 to help the Serpent
Lords.
I mean, they're farming and pushing out the rest of the map, but they have to come
and fight, or they're going to lose this tower and racks.
The lul is ready with a blink BKB, golem's dropped in with a roar and a kill onto
about to be accomplished by LL. The sun ray over the top of him keeps him topped up as well
and healed against the Viper's damage over time.
On top of the Roo, Yaltaro shikuchi's away and the tier 3 tower still under assault.
Now whisper and tie along, a couple more hits, we'll finish the job.
Yaltaro looks to the front line to deal with the Observer Ward and maybe clear out the creep wave.
But heroic advance! Another go for Yaltaro, the tower's back!
Yuma couldn't finish the job thanks to collapse, saving his Weaver.
Weaver survives, but a lot of cooldowns now.
Team Spirit don't have any real dis anymore.
Golem.
From Warlock is dead. The banner is still up though,
and that means the catch bolt and the range creep in the base
continue the damage on the buildings.
Kalat goes in, tries to poke out the drag back towards,
but he's been healed up by the Sunray.
Tylon down to about a third of his health.
Gotta be careful now,
because Spirit could go for another round to fight it.
Oh, they're sending all the Nuals into ice bath.
Yeah, but the Yathrow, but he's got BKB and a run on forward. No time-ups though when the Yathrow dies!
Law's gone in deep here, but Heroic's standing ground and fight!
It's too much protection. The pipe, the heals, the solar crest, all of this just to keep Viper alive,
and all the while, Ursa is never under any threat.
It's Heroic, Train's got no brakes!
Bringing in the mid creep wave was well-culted. The Ursa wants more, not just the top lane.
I mean, they can see victory in their sights at this point.
Weaver dead for 30. Beastmaster does not want to fight back at this point.
The team spirit, they're just too greedy. Like, the lineup hasn't really peaked early.
They need to get a lot of kills to be able to fight into this, but their teamfight heroes were just way weaker early.
They've got a flash.
20 seconds for Phoenix ulti.
Xmark TP, so he's coming back.
Finished up the Shiva's back in base.
A quick little fix.
44 armor.
I mean they have everything now, Shiva's, Pipe, Lotus, Solarcrest, Crimson Guard, they're just check mark on every single buff item.
Going through the list.
Where should we finish off?
Another building in this middle lane.
Look at Rue going behind, planting some vision.
They've got to do something drastic here, Spirit.
Or they will be against Mega Creeps.
Slaughter is trying to finish a BKB, but the collapse is not really close to it.
Needs a lot more gold still.
Alright, I'm going to go for that final lane.
Collapses first that lane all the way out, and Kararik gonna smoke and try to play through.
Through, kept tabs on them, broke the smoke of the Kunkka and then got to safety.
Still got a minute left on that Aegis.
700 gold to go for the BKB on collapse. I don't think the Slardar can do anything without it.
He's on the Viper! Not an easy target though.
As he even has to agonimus, he does some little pirouette and jumps away.
The chase is on, though.
Funnily enough, being led by KJ.
He has a ULSE onto a creep.
The ghost gets to Skyward, comes back down the third,
as Collapto goes through the twin gate,
and Yattaro is going to go and try and cut way behind.
They're already preemptively pinging this, though.
Maybe understanding that the Weaver wants to do exactly that.
They're on the Torm, but Ursa is coming.
Pailing, running.
Is he going to scout for it?
Look out for it, Yuma!
He saw it, he saw signs that Slardar was here.
You won't hear.
Yuma's going to go for the taunt, and Collapse will blink off to the right.
Very nice of Collapse to help tank that.
Oh, over there.
BKB TP out against the X-Marc.
Laurel had to spend his...
And then Rue in the macro piers standing in the fire on the flame.
Slurping walls and heads to trade lives.
Oh wow.
The bridge of death right there for the two supports, 800 gold for the side of Shadashamando.
Bridge over the river die.
At least you know you're happy as Shadashamando, you took away one of the pushing heroes,
the Kiro's not going to siege any high ground.
Well now, heroic.
Seems like the next move is quite well signaled.
Play through enemy agents and then that bottom lane.
All they need to do is maintain the waves, shove them in from top, then to mid, and of
course fight them again.
Head back to Poundton and join them at the drop of a hat.
Yep, clear it.
One more wave.
Desperate of finishing up level 20 and a crystal is as well just getting whatever damage you
can trying to get strong enough to go through some of these protections, but I'm gonna
be honest there's a lot to go through here.
Not to mention the double yule step first.
The reason heroic have been spectacular this game.
Every scan has hit, every move has landed.
It feels like they're playing with freaking maphack.
They just have a full understanding of exactly what Team Spirit are doing and what they want
to do.
They unfortunately here don't find Yathrow as he tucked into the tree line.
Yeah, but still they were on the right path, they knew he was down here, just didn't
find him.
Shikuchi's right under the nose of Tylong.
Does get pinged by the Shakiro, they know he's around.
Yuma is going to get the courier and the wave in front, while Yaffo time lapses and Shikuchi is further north on his bottom lane.
Sneaky little weaver with a BKB as well. It's basically just Ursa that can really bring him balance.
It's been found! T.L.Core with a Duster to Yulz requires the BKB TP and there's nothing to stop that over here.
They mass TP to the outpost, they got an X mark.
Ah, Whisper and Tylong, you're right, they're on to Rue.
Trying to bring them back with a tidal wave, the TP's going to get cancelled out, though with the damage and the control loud of that Shikiro.
here right. Ursa has an Agnum Scepter as well so now he can't even go on him without the Rasta.
Rasta can't silence him with the Hex so then he couldn't activate his Ulti but other than that
the roar is not going to work. Shaco of course doesn't work either but if you do Hex him first
he can't cast the Ursa Ulti. 14k behind, 8 to 20, it's been a while since we've seen
team spirit get curbstumped like this. Sat in their base waiting to see what comes so
they can try and react to it. We need buybacks on all these spirit heroes. Looks like you're
saying heroic has so much staying power you need multiple rounds of everything from spirit
just to hold on. That's incredibly difficult. They're even adding more aura. The Viper
farming towards an assault Curaus next, already has the hurricane pike to get himself to safety as well.
And this is the point at which collapse is like why did I buy that blink dagger?
That you pointed out was you know an investment in aggression which you never got to use,
13,000 net worth why don't I have a hand of Midas?
And with the way the game ended up playing out it may have been better to just go for a Midas but
ultimately he wanted to be aggressive, he didn't want this state of the game to exist.
They see the weaver.
The person is nearby. He's not going to save you.
Ah, let's move in from Yuma. The bash and the cat.
The Tylax back, but the stuns from Yuma,
adding in that golem drop from KJ.
Yataro is dead.
Some pretty unfortunate bash timing there as well.
He's found a go onto LL as well.
Tidal wave back up towards the high ground.
Yuma comes in with a big damage output.
Nullify, Raw turns back with Collap.
They're on the earth, so it seems spiritual to fight back.
to fight back. Both of the top gives the protection of the rum glow. Whisper gives Yuma a live and
keeps Spirit. They couldn't get anything off the back of it, even with a buyback out of Yathuro.
And now Yul's on collapse with the ice craft follow up, trying to poke it
Spirit from the high ground. Heroic hold their ground. Proof, a step too far forward here.
Projectiles launched in on him and he dies. At the heal as well, they're just bringing
everyone full X mark TP to base. Warlord catching people up.
Getting ready to go for a crack onto the high ground. I do like the nullifier
They picked up a laurel having that against this this massive ursa is gonna be really really useful taking away the overpower
Even against the the sprint of the slaughter
It does feel inevitable. It's heroic scheme 19,000 ahead. I think they're just gonna be patient though
They know if they lose a fight now, they're gonna lose Roche
It's going to keep playing for objectives as a third rush a big one
Meanwhile team spirit also recognize this so that's why you see collapse moving out hunting. He knows the people are splitting up
They're not always as five
You're mom that's a BKB off the easiest hero
I'm collapse. I'm gonna blink away from it. No way
No BKB, but having that Aghanim Scepter, you must just not the target to jump. He would insta ulti and turn on you.
Whisper is not alone out here. Ruin Panto might have thought they had a chance to go protecting their high ground board.
They do keep heroic at bay, but that just means they go back towards the pit.
It's a refresher shard, Roche. Very important Roche if they can't fight for this.
I think they're a little bit too late.
Even though Collapsus is notoriously good at getting into the pit and stealing Aegis, he doesn't even attempt it this time.
And he's cutting waves and killing Couriers, trying to do what he can to delay this game.
Cheese on the Viper as well. He's so tanky and now having that ability to go full HP again basically.
Looks like they're going towards the final lane that has to be Perak's.
Crete wave is not too far away from the base as well.
Team Spirit have not been able to shove all the lanes out.
Wind Waker, Thielecourt. Cheese over on Tylong.
Roshan's banner there, ready to be used on this final lane.
Of course, all the dire waves trending across the river towards the radiant base, leaving
one angle of attack here for Heroic and one spot to defend for Team Spirit.
Every single ability ready for both teams. I do fear for Team Spirit in this, but we'll
see how they can master a defense. Heroic, after we're so confident.
Victory is imminent for them. One fight should crack this one.
Slardar tries the front line here to defend against the waves, but the banner is already placed.
Buyback wise, no for Beastmaster, no for Weaver.
A hundred gold until Laurel will have it, so maybe if this fight breaks out, go for a roar and jump on Warlock.
It's started off to try to pick him up. The Ice Flath, oh stop, collapsing his tracks.
Humas into the back of the Panto, forcing the Phoenix back.
Yattaro trying to get in behind with Roo alongside onto the Jirra, but the Wind Waker breaks free.
Whisper and Yuma can now turn onto Roo.
Lyle dies and does buy back.
Thiel of course falls into Yattaro now.
Heroic lose their two supports, but they've got plenty left to attack to build the egg.
Yuma and Tylon destroy it and collapse falls as well.
Tylon Viper picks up a triple kill and Yuma goes in deep onto Roo.
Tylon went down to low ground and Shadow Sharma's done for.
Yattrow! He's in the middle of the pack here, time that is back to safety.
Klax has jumped in aggressively onto the Kunker though and might be in trouble now.
Lala Panto, fighting their time, waiting on the left-hand side.
A two-man crush but Yuma's got their axe and ray.
He's going in, Yattrow! He's been bashed, insta-stunned by Yuma.
Dead for 100 seconds, and Lala has nothing left to do but to walk in
and try and fight alongside Klax. The Sunray damage is good on Whisper,
but Lala, he's gonna die back.
Thailand can stand as ground defeat team spirit on their own side of the river blink up in two seconds
Ursa still chasing I got him finds collapse whisper buys back both supporters respawning and Gigi's call team spirit tap out
They were strong enough to fight against not one not two not three but four buybacks being used
It does not matter how many buybacks you throw heroic
They just built this unbreakable fortress of a team fight and eventually you can split push all you want cut waves
All you want, but when you have to 5v5 this draft from heroic was damn strong impeccable stuff from heroic
I love that impeccable. He's a little he's a little cast of flourish on the side up on the throne
You breathe me love that but certainly loved heroic straff as well because when we were assessing it going into the game
We weren't necessarily confident in a couple of key areas
Spirit obviously had a lot of comfort pics as well, but heroic just executed beautifully right from the start
Yeah, so you remind everyone heroic science is one thing if you don't win your lanes
If you don't have authority on the map you will get picked apart you will feel lost and you'll start raising questions
But if you have that authority if you have that understanding like where we need to be what are we doing?
why are we playing with these heroes? You will be able to close out these games in this fashion
because you've got to give it to Heroic. I think Fiorico already, Tylong will be the MVP,
but I think what Fiorico did on Mr. Kiro said that he set everything up, like he was the one
to knock down Spirit so early on that everyone else was able to shine enough and you overlooked
support, but we cannot understand how important to Kiro was in this game and yeah for Heroic.
Just love this style, I think stylistically, Heroic by Spirit, it kind of makes sense that
that her work I was to close it out in 2025, pretty much had her work's number, but this
time around, yeah, game one, looking very, very good for them.
Yeah, I think it's also like the moves you talk of for like, you know, the old color,
because in the start of the game, I'm like, you know, his safety and TP, it didn't look
so amazing, but then he gets to go mid, they like get a kill on Laurel, and like it really
starts snowballing, they go back top, they kill there.
I think also in the mid game, they had really good itemization.
I mean, there's, you know, the mid hero buying second item auras, you know,
when for the crimson super good it had the same timing as whistler who did go for the pipe in the awful incident
It's really hard for you to fight as I feel like I've watched this highlight for like
Some crazy like fighting but in the mid game still with spirit did look like they had one moment where they could like fight back
Yeah, but then they definitely they overchased heroic said thank you ain't no problem
Everyone started to ping tylong when at the game with 14 0 10 pretty good performance
It's one of those lineups where, I think, if Heroic would lose, people would be like,
why is Tylong playing Viper?
Let him play the active here, but I feel like Heroic have shown a way to enable this, right?
Like, he's played multiple Viper games so far, but I hear, and it's like, sometimes you'll move away from him.
Sometimes, you know what?
He's strong. We don't need to play through him. We can do other things, because like, he's like,
but no, they constantly go, he is going to carry us, and even Numi can see how he's playing.
Like, he's jumping in.
If he does die, maybe it's because someone didn't save him correctly,
Even if it does the amount of time and resources to tanks, Tylong goes, thank you so much, Yuma.
Let me stop up with my 80% kill participation, my 37,000 hero damage, and I'll get the kill as well, I think.
Between Yuma and Tylong, the Ursa and the Viper, they really were constantly a thorn in the spirits.
Yeah, and what's interesting is, you know, when we were talking about it, I was talking about what I'd heard, you know,
because obviously the benefit of being here boots on the ground in a tournament near players and people speak,
big that you know it was a piece of tech that they wanted to use a very specific
situations and that just looks like it's a hero that Tylen can be very dangerous
with and can always pull out in almost any draft even me incomprehensible once
no I feel like especially when you think the beast is going mid you farm I farm
happy days but also helps again we mentioned the Olaqor the secondary
MVP like we're gonna see some clips from him like you already mentioned the
five-minute irritation it's so important we want to show it to you
again right the fact is he goes top comes mid if he doesn't get this kill it's not
he's lost on the map he's games gone but he gets the kill he sticks around as well
now maybe should have maybe respected the fact that you're still in the
neighborhood but you cure again the double kill assist on to the Beastmaster
and then naturally you have humor KJ we saw humor the clips in the pre-show
going for the wisdom rune so now you have Tylong get in the book what was the
room the mid rotation for that the carry rotation to the top wisdom
room and the early game look at the network from all the cause you can see
this inevitability that heroic will take over because they had to win the early
game and they crushed it and what does it do to you percent chance of winning
it's always been so high like when you get the double wisdom it super changes
again okay no okay so no wisdom you asked him I didn't check it so the team
that's glad you asked that I trust trust trust you set me up but I'm so
ready for a team that took two wisdoms like 70 have a 54% win rate 50 how much
54% I thought it would be actually dropped a little bit, it used to be really big but
I was digging for spectacular stat. No I'm really sorry I'm just gonna keep you
grounded yeah but it is 246 times so we're probably talking within this patch
alone so in this patch alone it is a 54% win rate when you take two wisdoms
and then when you go one for one on the wisdoms 45% of course it's gonna
lower you know game game gets played but 54% 55% that's okay I'm sorry we should have probably
rehearsed this I feel like or only spoke about the stat it's good because the thing about these
segments are they're so short we can just move on and talk about what happened in 24 minutes I feel
like every single panel we want to talk about something that happened within this 20 to 28
minute mark just so important the key period of the game let's show another one and here it is
because this is this was the fight that I think was quite awkward for spirit right I think
I think, Kenny, you were excited to talk about this one.
Yeah, like it's just because it starts off so well
and it happened once or twice in this game.
I'm like, oh, Yuma, he's dying.
You know, the game is kind of tipping over
where it's more normal.
But I think this is like one of the rare occasions
where you actually have spirits here
where they could either fall back
or at least fight towards your-
Play inside the Sunray.
Yeah, like look at Panto.
Like all these games he owns on Phoenix,
but then he's egging on the left of the Sunray.
You're all going to the right.
And even here, you could call it quits,
but you know, I get it.
Like it looks spicy, it looks nice.
They're all low HP.
You want to go again, but it's just not good enough the only core drops a banger double ice path
Yeah, you get the golden on top everyone tips Thailand. I know it's just because he's owning or he's yelling
You know he's young guy this must feel good
You know you're owning some pretty good players here like your total collapse and he's bird overall
So who does to them that that highlight is you can also argue the over aggression of Yuma spirit in a better game
They would have punished this fear
It's not theoretical Thailand wasn't able to capitalize in it
But you've got to say for spirit that was such a rare moment that like not playing in the Sunnery the over extension the weaver having no
Manor it's too many things went wrong for spirit and here are like wait a second. Yeah
What are they doing and Tylong's probably going guys they're making these mistakes like play on me
And I think that just shows that maybe that's why the tips are coming through because Tylong like reminding you seem like no
We can win this fight. It doesn't matter about it
It's also the type of game where sometimes you wonder like what the team talks about after because I think spirit obviously
they're good enough to be like critical of themselves to like understand okay
where did we really go wrong because I don't feel like they would really blame
the draft on this one I think they will talk more about this is you know the
gameplay like did you Kiro he went missing you should expect him to go
mid a kind of snowball into this they get the double wisdom they go mid
again you kill the meteor one very early on it's just I think sometimes
interesting to think what the players are going through because sometimes it's
more simple it's like oh well I we should have picked we've I just play
be scary give me something new in the mid lane because we've seen Larl on
like the more mobile heroes kind of pop off, but this time on the beast, he looked a little
bit shaky I will say.
It also helped that Whisper playing Kunko could just be left by himself.
He was full chill bot lane, like the Weaver going into him with the Phoenix, I think
because Phoenix is going for hotspot as well, it's not that aggression in lane, like
that facet is about mid game with Aphelens and Sunray, like the laning is weaker, so
maybe if it was a different facet on the Phoenix with the Weaver maybe you can
kill the Kunko, but yeah, it's Whisper, too good of a time, Theolico, break the
map.
Thanks guys. So Tylong puffs his chest out, but Spirit will take some deep breaths and we'll go to game two
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So, Heroic are indeed ahead against Team Spirit. We're going to go straight into the draft.
No time to waste, no time to spare. And obviously, Spirit will be looking back on that one and
kind of thinking to ourselves, well, yeah, not much can be said about that. Let's just
start afresh.
Yeah, I think the easiest takeaway from Spirit will be there's a clear focus of laning
on, yeah, on Heroic. So, let's try and draft into that. I'll kind of pick off
map play, where I need time to come online, maybe isn't suited for this team, so that's
pretty much my assumption on coming into game 2.
Yeah, I think so too. I think overall the lanes and also just not just being aware, but also
communicating about, this is about the time you know like minute five, six, where one of the
supports maybe breaks free, they go mid, they go to the safe lane. Because not just this,
but also I feel like the first golems we see in some of these games, they've had
insane impact. Like you go mid, they got like the mid tier one, then it runs to
like the top you take the top tier one like I think most of these games where we've seen the
first goal and take like more than one tower like one and a half or even the mid tower I think
that win rate if you want to look at that you see I asked about that too because in that last
game they lost their mid tower at eight minutes yep no you know but obviously T's having performance
issues today because this is all throat no it's been so sore for three days I've been I mean
Working hard having issues for you. Yeah, it's okay
Like to the draft no, no, let's stick on this topic for the entire job
You've got your tea now relax. Well, I can't drink it. Yeah time for tea evening cup of tea. It's wonderful. So here we go the warlock
It is the some it is the support here all right now
Yeah, I'm literally nothing to say about this guys. I'm just walking it's not warlocks chill
Well, he's good. He takes towers, he drops the golem, he drops the base.
If you want to talk about the ceiling, the skill ceiling of a warlock, it really is where they see the map in the first five minutes of the game.
Being able to secure a carry in the first three, actually utilize Twin Gate, poke your head, Faderborn's going to get an assist, even a kill to get the Grimoire charges.
And then like you had mentioned with Gollum, if you do take one tower, it's not even like taking the second tower.
being efficient with farming with it.
Like run it into the enemy jungle, go farm some camps, skip a wave,
as long as you're not absorbing your core's farm,
you can do a lot with this hero in the early game,
but I see sometimes pros, like they drop the golem, take tower,
and they kind of do like idols, it like steals the farm with the core,
the next two, like you can do a lot with it,
and I think KJ is always a little menace,
so yeah, I just, I think heroics is fun to watch when they win their lanes.
Like that is like, literally prime heroic is what we just saw in the last game.
The me per ban in there as well. Obviously something you do when you play heroic
You don't want you to bust out the me pop. It's also a fact that heroic being first bit
He's kind of promoted it only having one ban for spirit means they won't be able to
Think about me poke really in the future
That is very true
Just makes sense. You know, you have less bands later squeeze it in early on
You know see like force spirit. I think there's a high chance. They're gonna look at a hero like Phoenix
or maybe Jokiro again for themselves.
The only thing I'm looking at for Spirit is like where are they looking at when it comes to like Lara's hero?
Like I would assume that after the last game you should just be pretty confident in the way to just give Yatoro the beast.
Unless heroic create a scenario where you know, Kerry beast looks awful, you know, maybe with whatever heroes that is.
But I think for now, whenever he's played it, it was just fine.
I think Lara looked a little uncomfortable.
Now the pocket's also out. You won't get that as a replacement.
So you know just show me what's up and the band from heroic with the jacquero right because spirit would pick out a phase
Yeah, clearly heroic. I mean, it's not this is like new tech
We know jacquero walk on the stronger supports
They rate them so highly that they will still pick both of them to get it in both yeah and five position
No other teams are really doing that. So it's like in this scenario
They still want to take away the jacquero and now of course now panto have to think what am I gonna be playing five?
When I don't have access to you know the jacquero is the warlocks
Will they just run back to Phoenix again?
I feel like Phoenix, to be fair they're one of the better teams, I think both them and
Falcons I often think about Ringmaster, he's just a good hero, he can't be a 5, he can't
be a 4, he's a solid laner, he gives you a teamfight, he gives you a save, it's just
solid.
Ringmaster, I feel like we've seen not enough of it, I like it.
This guy's partly the reason probably.
He is, yeah.
I mean the trade between the two is always like offense versus defense, right?
Shravan provides you a lot of like forward thinking potential on the map.
Ringmaster, you're always kind of waiting for the opportunity or you're following someone else.
And then Heroic, they do pick up the Viper, but this time around they take the Tusk.
I like the Tusk pick just for the fact that Viper can still be played in the off lane.
It can technically be a carry if you want, but Tusk kind of ensures that the flexibility of Viper is available.
But I am expecting it, 95% to be made for Tylo.
I think so too.
Well, I think you're going to get,
there's a very high chance you're getting Phoenix plus one.
I don't know exactly who the plus one is,
because at least with what Heroic are doing,
it gives me the idea that they want to kind of match
the Viper into the Beast, at least softly.
Like in a way here, it's like, okay, you know,
if you show it to us,
we're going to put the Viper offline into the Beast.
I do think that Phoenix covers this pretty nicely
because tag team from Tusk just sucks into Firebirds.
Similar for Viper, so I think this helps,
Spirit at least overall and there wasn't really anything wrong with the hero. I think what turned out to be more the problem
Was you know how they all function together and what Laurel ended up playing so they have to kind of like show it
Was here do you keep the flex open you pick collapse is hero you like shove the beast into like one role here already and like lock it in
Hmm. I realize what spirits there. It's tactically brilliant. They have a trial coach
So if you just do the same type of draft every single time at Malahia
your trial doesn't have, it's not a wide draft pool, right?
You've done the same thing.
Like as you're playing, it's on you.
Yeah, we liked the draft.
We've done it like 5 out of 10 games in Valhalla.
So I think he's just minimizing the variables.
This guy's good.
That's like, he's trying to lock in the job security.
Good for him.
Sure.
Then what will they be here?
Because you do kind of need to show a core.
I mean, it is one of the annoying things
about the Viper that we also talked about last game.
And I think similarly what you also have to think about,
there is nothing wrong with seeing the bear
being ran back by Heroic if it looks good on 18.
They did it into the same heroes.
It's going to be the closing pick.
So if you're spirit here, I do think that this is not
like the most comfortable pick to come up with your core.
I think this is Joe.
I actually like this as well, because I just like it
when Collapse gets to play, you know,
playmaking awful in this, you know.
I think the slaughter might have been a little bit passive, really.
I mean, when Mark's always going to be able to lock in a better fight,
when we talked about utilizing the Phoenix and the last clip for our 24-minute mark,
then running away, you're not running away with an arena.
You are fighting in the sun right now, like you are here,
but now he's going to help them a lot.
Also, in regards to draft integrity,
Beast can now be mid to carry to the end of the draft.
You'll find a better lane for him, and then, yeah.
But the key thing is Spirit will still be playing somewhat reactionary, like Beast wants to farm aggs,
Mars wants to play as they get a blink, you're playing kind of like you're inviting the aggression,
they come to a tower and it's like now there's a sunray, an arena or a certain board,
the roar and you're dead and then we run through the map and take a rush on.
So Spirit there is a bit of a defensive capability built into the early game.
Yeah I'm looking again for Rorg, I think I already touched on the bear, I think offlaners
Again the combo break are quite good. I think like tide would be something that I would value quite highly in this game for them
It's this way you like if you're a case play you pick the case right into the Mars the chur lane probably
That's where you have to rank up on the list. Yeah, that's true. And that's why he's on the list. I went
Wow, I can't be playing kids right now
He wants the easy W know the Ursa bear into these heroes
It's always been the traditional like, you know normal pick into like Mars Phoenix Elaine
well, you buy BKB, you destroy the egg. I do prefer the Ursa for the fact that you just have
insurance in your initiation, like the way you must have been playing, from the highlights
which we showed earlier, from the previous game, like he's going in with no cap, like he's going
to kill you if you don't stop him, he's going to die, but like he's going to open up so much,
so yeah I do like the the the Yuma Ursa, it refills and it's actually bringing so much
more life to Heroic. The other reason why I like the Mars as a setup, at least because
I see an idea for Spirit where you know there's a high chance the Viper is ending up in the mid lane.
And I think with what we saw last game, I would assume that they're going to shy away from replaying the same matchup, like the beast into the Viper.
And I think Mars can help you like feel better about last picking a Rain Shiro mid, whether it's a Sniper, a Lina, whatever.
I would just assume like Heroic's last band will be insert Rain Shiro, because most melee guys don't really lane well into Viper,
unless there's one that I'm not really aware of that, you know, gets to cheat the lane.
But overall for draft integrity, I think it would make a lot of sense if that's what they've set up for, right?
Are you leaning towards invoker style where you play an addictism?
Yeah, so I think like that's too slow though.
Maybe, because I've seen the the Wex in Volker actually do fairly well.
You don't wave skip in a nuisance.
Yeah, like you don't like beat the Viper, but like you mana burn, you know, you get through the lane, you're kind of chilling, it's good.
And it's because also I think they won't have enough bands to like ban out all of them.
Like maybe Razor and Walker are like the best two then you can go to like you know the next one
Whether it's Lena or it's Sniper or it's something else
I'm gonna have to open up the daughter hero stamp for that one
Yeah, I'm scrolling back to some old old loud heroes and I'm like, I'm gonna really go home Wow
That's gonna be there. Yeah the big look. I don't say fix. It's not desperately to fix anything
It's more how do they complete their lineup it in a nice way
Because it definitely like in the last game it ours like it all started from the mid lane
So unless you truly know and you can openly say guys like I messed up in the mid lane
It's not supposed to go like this. I can hold it better
Obviously, then you can run back the beast, but it didn't look that amazing
I'll say and also now you have a toss compared to a jikiro
I think that gives you like even more aggression for heroic like through this lane and I mean to go back to a roic's pick
I mean I mentioned the titan to earlier. I still think that one's pretty good
Think insert any off laner that is gonna again build pipe. I think it's pretty good for you
I'm about to say clicks and I looked up the mid-banned clicks. Thanks. Yeah, thanks for spirit
They heroic they have to in the back of the minds realize that this time around
The couple plays that they made last game will be the the plays that actually losing the game
As you talk and let's say beast is mid
You're saying he fixed the leading if you heard just find that additional damage so much control
There's so much like room for spirit to fight you
Yeah, but if you're talking funny carry that around
18 minutes has something to provide that he's going to happy find the battle
fury blinker sir and only an axe viper right and then clinches was the pick
right like the deser the dragon lance that you've ripped through these heroes
with any stuns so you're a really good man from her art
technically ta is also another option like you can shove your lane but then
let assuming Viper goes to mid of course Viper task off lane it's ta Viper is
going to have a great time but might be like an underlord or something else. I
think any offlaner that gives you like some sort of whatever, take the
conquer again. I mean I think this time it makes also more sense because it's
kind of annoying now for Spurred. I think you can like be toying with the idea
that if they do prefer the beast to go carry now you're kind of like well you
know you pull up your middle finger like F you you know Leningen Sakanka
who's quite annoying for this hero. I don't know if whisper is playing the
Viper off lane but like is that a thing that you think they may be
even flexing here. They definitely can't vibe from both a mid to off lane, so if they
were at TAK, yeah, okay. Yeah, absolutely.
Because I still think like TA against Conker and what Spirit needs. I give some
Roshan timings, some like ability to make moves around your pick-off, plus
strong lane, but I'm scared about the flexibility of Rorak and then just losing the lane.
Yeah, this pick is definitely not easy. That's because of, you know, what you said,
because I do think yeah, Viper can go there. I think it's annoying for you.
I'm pretty okay with this or I'm happy with this rather. I will say though that I think the
Kunkka does take a lot of boxes. It's good against beasts in the lane and if you anticipated a
ranger to come out he's quite good against those like Kunkka is like an age old counter even to
invoke. You know he's slow, you X mark him, the guy will probably die so I think Spherud
have set themselves up like pretty nicely but overall I think heroic at the same time
they have what they want. I mean they nearly have the same draft as anyone. They swapped out one hero,
one jukiro instead of a tusk. The thing, the difference here is like we saw in the last game
that Ursa did disappear in some of these engagements where he jumped in early and Spirit
they'll have the same concepts available with the Phoenix Shaman Beastmaster. So they've already
kind of answered the Ursa. The question is the control of a Mars and Invoker. Invoker actually
has just last minute changed to the Galeron, the Sun Strike Catechism and Facet. So he is
looking for the damage, but what they bring, is that enough to actually fix some of the
issues in the last game? I'm leaning, yes. I think, you know, Heroic being able to escape
Spirit and just keep kiting out the fight isn't really in question this time around.
And you know, the take-aways for Heroic, it's the same thing. They need the lanes
to go well. They need to try and kind of create these like early item timings for
them to play on.
I mean, this time around, if like Lara can get, like, when you get to like the
cataclysm timing later, then at least, you know, the bolt buff, or also like
some of the auras you have you should be able to like cut through it and I think
you have the roar into the Sunstrike kills later but we have to be I think
theola core to me is like a big question mark again I think he can be the
X factor like on this task maybe he can go around because X would invoke her it's
very volatile early on that's what her work just bait the spells that you
bait an arena of rural cataclysm you survive it you're probably gonna win
the fight right so just have that discipline and understand like when the
fight is actually a fight versus just kiting and poking spells all right
now guys time to get into the action I'll throw you back over to
guys who never whisper. This course Wagamama and Gareth.
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Everyone can hear us.
Now, a book arrest as we get ourselves into Game 2, Team Spirit vs. Heroic.
Similar kind of hero set up in the drafts. A few little adaptations for the one.
Yeah, I think this game will probably serve a good example to show just how minor tweaks in drafts
can change a lot of stuff because we have very, very similar, like you said,
But these key parts are changing. The tusk instead of J'Kiro is a little bit harder to fit in the laning stage.
It doesn't pair that strong together with the Konka.
At the same time, if you put Warlock together with the Konka, then you don't have a babysitter for the Ursa.
So I think Heroic's draft is a little bit weaker this time for laning stage.
And Team Spirit definitely has a more harmonious draft in my eyes.
I'm curious, looking at the facets there, we've seen Panto several games in a row going for the hotspot
with that raw damage out of the Sunray, this time going for the Dying Light. Any ideas why he's changed, just suddenly changed?
Probably because of the Laning Stage stuff. Dying Light is pretty stronger for Laning Stage, and I think maybe they're just making that little adjustment as well, saying that, you know what, Heroic are putting insane emphasis on lane, picking Warlock and Viper multiple times here, so you just need whatever you can get early on.
You might not have been skilled up the Sunray super early, so it makes no sense to have a facet that doesn't do anything in the start.
That makes sense.
Humor.
Crashing symbols and he chases collapse back towards the lane.
Got a little hit in there on him.
Nothing much to bother collapse on that Mars.
They did make their little shift as well, yeah, that Slardar taken out of the draft, Mars put back in, so adding this Mars-Phoenix combo.
Nice last hit for long.
Takes a few hits of course from the Viper,
But getting both the deny and the last hits definitely nice stuff from him
And there are a lot of combos he can play into here as invoker
He did go for the X-word facet
So he's gonna have cataclysm later on and look at all the pairings you have there's shackle roar spear
There are beautiful amount of combos to do
Thailand's got to keep the comms open to call the sun strikes when they fly out
This lane used to be completely unplayable as the invoker against the Viper
While doing a very good job here just having a staying power, most like he's got plenty
of regen and sustain sticking out in lane as well as he sits at 2 and 3 on the invoker.
Viper, same story for him but with two additional range creeps arriving.
Yeah, Tylong should have the advantage but invoker did really, really well on the first
creep wave so I think he will survive just fine on mid lane.
Up top we have a little bit of shenanigans happening.
A lot of bits of shenanigans happening.
That's a big radiant creep wave. You can't really fight into all this even.
Oh, it's massive! All the waves are doubled up.
Fire spirits are actually pretty good if you want to fight under a creep wave,
because you can make the creep wave hardly auto-attack at all, so...
I'm supposed to team spirit a feeling pretty confident.
See how the core is going to go and drag another wave, it looks like.
Reminds me of the days when you used to put sentry wards and observer wards in front of the lane,
In Dota 1, you could block creep waves with sentries, stack them all up, bring them out.
Yeah, it's a shaker's wet dream right there.
The Panto still has access to large camp as well.
There's nothing really to pull into currently. His waves will be munched on.
I still leave Kunkis 7-1 on Beastmaster at 8-5, so still getting a fair amount of farm there as Whisper.
But as we see, lots of gold is still ready to be gathered by the Beastmaster as Panto,
With that dying light, got aggressive on Theo Lacour, whispered and turned against some damage back on him, the Phoenix with a damage over time on the tusk gets first blood, barely before he dies himself.
That's really nice, even though he did die in the end on Panto, getting the first blood and he did this 1v2 while Yattor was just enjoying controlling lane, getting a lot of the dnice and securing his CS instead.
Well, Laurel who was two and three out of the first two waves four and five now
The remaining few come his way the tie line really starting to lay on thick 12 and 9
Making this a really difficult
Lane to inhabit for Laurel. He's sending out the mangoes. He knows I guess viper
You need to have that or against invoker as viper. You need to have access to mana at all times
Don't want EMP to stop your advances. I'll keep spanning the poison spit
Very difficult for a Volker to get onto the lane, and Leipzig will even go and get himself a Null Tasman as well as the Water Rune.
More mana to keep spitting on the Volker.
Warlock is also moving into mid as well. Feels like they want to make a move happen.
Not the usual roaming ganking hero you would expect, but he has a Blood Grenade.
Yeah, I mean you could catch him by surprise, just walking behind sometimes.
But
Farland gets out with the EMP and it looks like Warlock has been tracked back by Rue
Keeping tabs on him while Yuma was farming in between tier 1 and tier 2
Just got to take the time to make some stacks instead King Jungles
Preparing for anyone who wants to go and get some farm later on
Got found Rune as well
Rue does hit pretty hard plus he has boots so this is not super comfortable and Urza is nowhere close
He does have the heel but meanwhile the only core I get to deny easy peasy calculated
I was showing though. You're right
It's dying light from the Panto Phoenix much better in the Laney stage putting a lot of pressure
Of course, he is leaning into double melees that helps out for sure. Yeah, well, we see a bottom lane collapse in front of us
too one tower
Nice safe place to gather up a little bit of that early farm 18-5 for him feels
reasonably comfortable. You know, he is a melee hero into Ursa, but he's got spear and
repute to give him some displacement tools, while Conker's from TP out of that top lane,
all the way back to fountain, leaving it wide open for Team Spirit.
That's the thing about Mars, he can lean into Slark's Ursa's etc. He doesn't get
hard to counter the way a lot of melee heroes do.
He has a snowball though, gets through the EMP and onto the invoker. LaRoll with
the tornado and Roo's rotation, can't save the invoker, and I actually lose his
his own life as he came in to try and help, feel the core very low, dies at a tower, but
Tylong gets the double kill and that's what heroic wanted.
Pantto?
Oh, with a dying light can he trade into this?
He decides to go.
He's going to dive soon, he has cooldown coming back one second.
It goes for it.
Tylong can turn and try and bite back into this one, but Pantto has the big kill.
The flappy firebird beats the disgusting green drake, but king jungles will arrive
to get the trade.
something but very nice from the Phoenix that's going to give him a decent chunk of experience
getting a solo kill on the mid laner some punishment for that aggressive dive on the tower
three for two five minutes in of course warlock also happy to keep you in and get the return
kill there getting one charge on the grimoire writing the stories of his glory in that nice
big book every story starts somewhere starts with Phoenix dying
that's how that comes back there's lol let's throw some spells in there do what he can
but this is still, in effect, a Troy Lane from Heroic.
That pretty much controlling the Power Rune.
Not the most insane Power Rune heroes, but DD Rune is good on anybody.
It's going to be Tylong getting it.
And Teolikor wants to dive low.
Alright, once again, the tempo just picks up quickly.
Heroic looking for these early objectives.
They're ganking into the invoker with some good painful bombs.
They've got the damage onto him.
into him, Thailand's dropping low and with Phoenix Shattershallman on his tail, the Viper
will fall and Spirit answer in kind.
A dive across on a field of call, looking for an additional takedown as Ruse alves up against
the shackles that got him.
Great turn around from Spirit to bring down the tusk, wall up though, righting in his
book and the tusk finally falling as King Jungles backs up.
Four pages now written.
Some crazy aggression happening and King Jungles is just rubbing his hands together.
Yes, keep fighting.
My level 6 is available now.
He can already crack that tome and he will almost have it.
That's how much experience he's got ready.
I'm all happy to have 10 seconds of calm, of creep hitting moments here.
Yep, with the wisdom.
Now definitely the golem is available.
They get one for one on the wisdom.
Still sitting around mid.
seems like heroic want to keep the pressure on the invoker and also breaking this tier one tower
kind of important for them he could get spotted by a derivation
just go one more time larl would never expect it he does have a ward seeing the two of them nobody
ganks larl six times in a row surely golem dropped on the tower that's exactly what heroic want is
to break the building and a snowball in behind they got revealed a dust is there the olacore
with KJ on him, lolly troubled by the shackles from Rue, and Irina through with Kalaas, the
spear on the Tylaan, reaction from Spirit, breaking the back of Heroic's aggression.
Sunray over to Kondithiilikor as well, the tower still stands but Yuma arrives.
Little Sheep hopping and skipping to try and break free, but Yuma is too much to handle,
and Heroic will clear out the objective that they came for.
The face boots Ursa, we have seen some aggressive moves this tournament.
We have carries just teeping to mid, sometimes as early as level 4, but this
This time of course, Yuma coming in with the face boots able to give the rundown onto
poor Shadowshell.
Why is there an Urser in my lane?
God knows, it's Yuma!
KJ, nice dodge on the tornado.
Into the Roche pit, juking through the fog, trying to break some ankles here as Yuma
pokes at Panto, nearly dying to the Golem in fact.
A lowl pick up KJ, golem down and Team Spirit can just sit and lick their wounds.
A lot of the heroes invested to bring down that warlock, but necessary move as he was invading and trying to steal some big camp.
This gives a lot of time to Whisper, all this attention towards mid lane.
Kunkka is quite happy laning into Beastmaster. Beast can't rely on his summons, that's where you see him maxing out the wild axes of course.
Whisper is even hunting in the back, looking for Yatharo.
Farmed missed, but he still has this X-marked boat to play with.
He's gonna beat him down.
Shucks it at the Beastmaster and finishes him off.
Panto, yet again looking to try and get some kind of trade but there's two-way
numbers here to fight into. That's the super novice feeling very confident but
be cautious 3v1. This is where things can get a little nasty for spirit. Yes
they've answered a lot of the calls that heroic have been making but Lyle still
needs time to catch up. 2,800 net worth it's not a position he would love to
be in. Needs to recover back in the jungle and that gives a lot of room
here for heroic to maneuver on the towers and take objectives, Tito is down, down to
Yaltarot to come back and defend it.
Yeah, he can put one point in the roar, holding a skill point, does do so now.
But even so, I don't know if they can really burst onto a Kunkka, just hard here to bring
down quickly, mostly just kind of hovering the area trying to keep it defended, but
eventually the Golden will come off Kuldan and I think they're gonna go for this
tower.
20 seconds Aurora the goal under control can they bring him down?
He's got a shadow word on it. Wow
That's an optimistic move a Pantos diving in for it
Supernova's ready
Awkward though as whisper just gets the distance and now turns on to them
It forced the egg here as Pantos drag back in see all the core the goal and dropped and they got the chain stuns
The term they do now Yattaro blocked up by the creeps the fatal ones were on him
They glue trapped them inside and
Yattaro's died
KJ with a double kill!
I mean, Warlock was there to heal the Kunkka, but he didn't drop below like 70% HP, that was nowhere close to being a kill.
I think Team Spirit's a bit desperate with the defense there. Yeah, just looking uncharacteristic from them.
Oh, Whisper gets a splash onto a Shadow Shaman, realizes he's hiding in the tree line as he cut the type bringer, revealing him basically.
You see it in the Fog War?
It feels like we're yet to see any Sun Strikes.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but with a setup that we've got from Team Spirit here,
Larl has not had the opportunity and go,
okay, the laning stage was real rough for him.
But is it just he's using mana to farm creeps rather than Sun Striking?
No opportunities to kill?
I mean, now he's got plenty of mana because he has Kaia,
so he should always have the Sun Strike ready for these attempts.
But definitely his early game was a struggle on Larl.
And as all the action was brought to the mid lane,
I think that's a big reason why we didn't see the Sun Strikes in laning stage,
because everybody congregated mid, so he had to throw out their spells.
Because he was the one with the target on his back.
Exactly.
A 4k lead, 10-7, ready for heroic, 12 minutes in.
And the big story is Whisper invading, stealing these stacks.
These stacks were intended for the Beastmaster, by the way.
I don't know how vitally important that axe time is.
That's some silly animation we have there, Jack.
Like Super Mario.
He's got the lay on the punch.
Jumping up to the question mark box.
Supernova placed down, and a sun strike's coming,
but the Ilocora's danced around it.
Hamster can try and dive and maybe find him,
but it's a bridge too far, can't go for it.
Again, ulti spent, and nothing gains.
Just rough for Team Spirits.
And Herok is still ramping up
with the same item bills they've been going for.
The aura's on the Kunku going for this pipe.
Nice, got it already, he's super farmed.
entire pipe is coming out and I think he's looking to start opening the rest of the map.
Ori took mid, top, bottom tower is alive and Kunkya wants to change that real quick.
Battlefier of Yuma is all but done and then this Viper with boots of travel can sit in
the pocket and farm and join when he wants to, play like a spectre.
Yeah, going on to the Mars now, forcing him away with a shadow word and fatal bounce.
He will of course be okay but taking a lot of damage, hard to mount a defense when
you already lost so much HP. Something Spirit are good at though is when all the green
like to run up defending a wisdom shrine or a tower or a high ground near their
ancients they could bring numbers to have this big team fight going it's got
the meteor hammer now on wall build that we've seen quite a bit on invoker become
quite popular ever since the Midas nerf for for invoker in particular oh yeah no
XP yeah happy well the hero mostly cares about XP and being able to clear
the ancient camp here it's nice you kind of want to take towers with this
though the idea behind the meteor hammer is usually to put pressure play
early early aggressive some tempo but they're just being completely outmatched by a road.
And this meteor hammer is pretty good at clearing out the camps as well.
Meteor hammer with the meatball and the ice wall.
Yeah also makes his makes his sun strike really strong because the kaya component to it so
he has 10% spell amp on the pure damage of a sun strike that's really nice.
And tail of core pretending to be some illusions.
Yeah see how successful he is.
Those creeps are taking too much damage.
That doesn't get the stacks going with the other illusion.
Sadly.
But he'll get a little bit of time maybe here to gather up gold for his blink.
I think Heroic have done a great job finding a controlled pace while also being aggressive.
Like that's usually been the struggle for a lot of South American teams to, you know, kind of rein it in a bit.
They're always known for being aggressive, wanting to go and do stuff.
And they have done that in this game, but they're not going absolutely ham.
Like bottom wisdom would have been very risky to go for.
They're not giving up any traction on the map, right?
There's no loopholes here for the spirit to play into.
Everywhere they go, there is an answer, a response.
Pylon and whisper, TP bot to find collapse.
So wherever you show on the map, there is some kind of
retribution coming out of Heroic.
That's the thing, right? If you group up as five and play this super deathball-y
gank squad style, you do leave massive power vacuums open
for someone like Yattra to exploit.
Exactly, it's about staying on as much of the map as possible and being efficient while also
bullying your opponents around and not letting them play their game.
And that's why I think it's a fine, very delicate balance to play that they're doing a great job at now.
Of course, Team Spirit, they're enjoying, you know, working towards that axe.
Okay, for some strike.
Sure is.
And he's quite tanky with three stick and a Shadow Ward going,
but the Serpent Ward will eventually bring him down.
And that's blink now for Rue while the rest of Team Spirit are smoking up top.
Looking for the kunkka, the pipe kunkka.
It's just a Phoenix though, as in Volker he gets away from the idea.
He gives up on it.
He's rushing towards Aghendam Scepter, which is very understandable after the Meteor Hammer.
I think Agh's Cataclysm plays is going to be the bread and butter of this lineup
from Sea Spirit to start turning the game.
Perhaps a 16-minute wisdom shrine?
Ay, ay, ay, sneaky, sneaky Panto.
He's going to be very happy about that.
And some neutral camps to boot. Very happy.
Get himself some nice farm.
Well, it's just a chill game. This is fantastic for him, even stacking up the enemy jungle and farming here.
Nobody has any idea that he's inhabiting this area.
Still, although, even though I've watched this game from start to now, right,
I'm still surprised to see the clunker top of the net worth. 9,500, but he is 203.
It's insane how much creep CS cleared already, like 160 CS, along with the fact that he has been involved in these kills, it really adds up and he hasn't died a single time.
Well the Roshan is far more slow than game 1, but still on time as a Sunstrike Intornator will all but scout it out.
We have to keep eyes on Panto. He's in the vicinity and potential for a dive into the pit. Just a little off the mark there.
Try to give vision with a Sun Strike and now Panto, target on his back, tries to dive and sunray away, but we're overcap his number.
Bonus kill for Yuma, Blink in battle fury, complete, have the Aegis in hand, 3 minutes until the Tormenter, but I think they're gonna start making stuff happen before that Torm spawn.
Yattrow does have the Aghanim Scepter, nearly Blink daggers with 400 gold and then the Beastmaster. I'm happy he's going for the Blink.
We saw him previously go for this Silver Edge second item, I did not enjoy what I was seeing.
I don't think anyone enjoyed it.
So, very very happy to see that he's going for a bit more standard, just get the blink, be able to pick your targets, maybe blink on the tusk, kill him before he can snowball save anyone.
And then go from there.
Yeah, I was talking to Lacoste and you know, we talked about Silver Edge and we came to a conclusion Silver Edge is great on Beast, but it's a reward that you earn after you do the hard work at your blink.
your blink, your BKB, you know, do the things that you need to do, and then you can enjoy having a silver age.
Yeah, you don't get your, you know, your first car, sweet 16, you don't get a Lamborghini, you get some little fiat Punto or something.
You're lucky. I got a bike, man.
Or a bicycle.
Not with my parents as well. Get on your bike, get a job.
Yeah, there you go.
Go do a paper round or something.
It's not all doom and gloom for spirit though.
3k lead they're looking at this earths with ages definitely scary times ahead
But they've got items that are coming into their pockets
8 9k net worth on some of their cores still building up through looking for a sneaky solo kill and king jungles doesn't get the ward trap
Yeah, not this time no, but oh a snowball across gonna get close on roof
Shards not gonna land and that blocks steal the core away from him
Sunstrike to scout and give vision tylen has no stuns so the tee people succeed space right there
The wards are eventually going to get cleared here of course.
Free money for Tylon?
He forced some reaction of me, his team is farming.
Oh you know, wait for the dive to end, supernova is expended, Yatharo is going to come across
thinking about the roar, but now realizes he's quite out of position and has to blink
away.
The oldicore is still chasing, doesn't find him though.
No.
A little hidey hole for Yatharo.
nice TP by him.
It's a Rue with his blink dagger pairing up with Collapsed.
The two of them know with Sunstrike they can kill pretty much anyone if they get the blink hex.
Versa is a pretty bad target of course, but his Viper could be massive if they find him.
Vespa, he's on the invoker. Viper is going to come across.
Tarlang does need to try and catch up in terms of net worth as he's behind the invoker at this point with the way the game is going.
Such a good takedown because now the grouping here of the Morris and the Rasta
They don't have the damage anymore. They don't have some strike to follow up the initiation
Laurel while dead
Micro is little Ford spirits as best you can that's what you can do
Just downgraded from having a hero to having a little creep
It's like back in the old days when you die as a support you say I'll control the courier
There's only one of them. Let me micro it. Don't worry guys. I'll be the best delivery service
you've ever seen just by a soul ring and a daygun.
They heal up Yuma on his Ursa, got to go and take the tormentor similar to the previous game.
So we're taking that turn.
They have a go with the shard.
Alright, nice for him.
Some snakes drop bottom, Xmark onto the rust at the blink, wasted.
Oh, the turn doesn't land though.
Little hop, Rue hops away.
There's a little hobby horse, but he's still going to get caught here, it's alright, bring the numbers.
The tower glyphed as well, serpent ward getting finished off.
It looks like they might be able to take it, Whisper in fact denies it.
Yeah, there's a lot of snakes though that they get to clear.
Meanwhile they're looking for the Viper, Mars sees him, doesn't really have Beastmaster
close enough and there are creeps in the way.
He's gonna go for it anyway.
He collapse, spear back onto the tree, cataclysm with Yattaro's roar, Tylong,
Lotus all but no additional saves.
Whisper and Yuma though, come back in.
Our nice arena's gonna block you and keep us out of Yataro's stuck between a rock and a bear place.
Oh, he finds the wisdom on the way out. Collapse running over to the wisdom, the guy steal it, again uses the TP, gets to safety.
Double Shrine.
I was very nicely measured by Collapse, knew exactly how long it would take for his carry to arrive there.
Oh, but look, I see it look cool.
Lurking.
Jumping onto Larl.
Trapped in the big shot.
Tornado denies the immediate jump from Yuma for the snowball damage looks like it's lacking here on the earth
So because the Sun Ray keep the invoker top top, but now with the addition of whisper
They've got plenty enough collapse and rule the supernova behind them deal with the other core whisper
Once you got left 30 seconds of boat you got torrent to throw humor's in trouble
He's the golem to help him out and rage and then run back towards collapse
But heroic and disarray right now a cyclone into the sky
Fatal Bones thrown by the Warlock, but KJ's die.
Last four sprints will do the job while Rue's shot down in the low ground.
Always spur and tile on, we'll get the job done and finish off the Shatter Shaman.
Beastmaster has roar in three seconds. He's looking for a chance, but I think it's a little bit too late.
Invoker being dead as well. They're gonna wrap around though.
Still wanting to use that roar combo.
20 seconds for the Mars Arena.
If they can get on the Kunka, I don't know man. Kunka is a tanky target.
Lotus and pipe.
I'm gonna go for it anyway. Blink raw, spear back into the tree, sundry and cataclysm, that's plenty!
Ah, waited out. The Invoker respawned nicely as well and of course the Phoenix cannot be underestimated.
It's doing quite a bit of damage to that sundry.
Even without Kosspog, yeah.
Hey, it was the top damage dealer in the little fight we had just now, 3.3k.
That supernova was very well placed.
But overall, a pretty big loss there for Oroic.
You know, the ages, a few heroes down, team spirit rallying around this Beastmast, they're finally getting a fight to go their way.
The big thing is that they kept Yuma alive.
He got out of what was a pretty scrappy situation, looked like it could go way worse.
And especially with that Yule Scepter on the Mars, could have been problematic.
Nice low-dissort though by the Kunkka, you know, they made the most of what was a pretty bad spot.
And now he's back.
That's a very blank, eggs and then the bachelor to come up after.
It's going to be a four staff from the Phoenix, not an item we see all that often, but I think
it makes a lot of sense against the Tusk, against the X mark as well, trying to get
people away from Ursa.
A lot of times when we see Ursa, we get mentions of how yules appear insanely good against
him.
Four staff is also very, very valuable.
spit shield against the Viper as well. We've got a bit of distance from him.
But we do see Team Spirit kind of waking to life here after it's been a pretty
farmy early game. They're beat to be complete on Beastmaster. They've shown
that they're ready to fight with the rest of them. The Agamem's Cataclysm
combo. Collapse for a brief moment showed himself.
heroic. Tried to make the jump but now pivoting up towards top.
We're still leading away with a blink dagger this time. It's not full tank.
He's built to catch a little bit better.
Larl is going to be under vision up top if he shows himself on a creep camp,
but he's very wisely gone all the way back to the right.
It might catch Panto, but he looks like he's just going to hug the end of the map here.
He could even do the edge TP out, Sunray out.
He's being pinged, but yeah, it looks like Panto and Rue have slipped over.
I think that was just him pinging himself.
Now he gets pinged.
Well, I'm saying, hey, there's people over here. Let's go deal with them.
Taking our jungle camps, our farm on our side of the river.
Could be a cataclysm combo, but Kunkka is here.
Straighten on top of them. Supernova and Serpent Ward.
Cataclysm coming in onto the Kunkka. The damage is good.
The two supports with a global presence of lull help to kill off Whisper.
And Tylan can't even stand his ground and fight.
This Sunray has forced him all the way into base.
He's quick, Pantl is diving. Go for this. I'm forcing the BKB.
Dude, panto.
They're mew up on them, they're finding the tusk as well.
Some nice moves here coming out from the supports.
And the immediate line draw and the collapse is saying, hey, we've got them now.
Hem them back, bunker them down, push forward.
Yeah, they're realizing that they have an advantage with getting these pick offs.
Just get whatever they can, invoker taking top, shoving back the lanes.
And Heroic definitely shook here from how they were so far ahead, but now losing control of the game
Honestly, Heroic pretty glad that Roshan's a decently long spawn, that potential could have been spirit
Getting those kills, getting the Aegis, which is a pretty big loss for an Ursa team
Yeah, but we can tell the difference from the previous game where they had that snowball of having to Kiro to just steamroll down the towers
Now it didn't happen. We're 26 minutes in. Those tier two towers have not been touched at all
Much more reliant on these smoke moves. Let's try and find the element of surprise
And Team Spirits Reads have been pretty damn good overall throughout the series even in the first game
You can see it again. This smoke move already looking like it's gonna flop
Hunter is running away
Mars going through the gate down to bottom
Dodging everything. Yeah, still a minute left on that roast to respawn. So nothing here. It's a
They're gained by Heroic, nothing they can immediately grab.
Yeah, and Yatoro is making his progression as well, got the Yasha towards the Mantastal.
Very nice to get to dispel in this game against, well, a lot of the different things.
You can even Xmark dodge the, or dodge the Xmark, I mean.
Any Silver Raging is quick buy, any?
Maybe after the Bloodthorn that he has.
Plus 8 after the Bloodthorn.
Yeah, it could be, right? Plus 8, so that's a lot.
A lot of items.
But not an immediate purchase, going for all these.
items beforehand he's putting his work in Gareth
so he's doing they're getting the D word as well over the Roche area
definitely strong enough to contest this Roche game is virtually completely
even here in net worth
tight enough no they need that Aegis
decent swing there and probability from Goa plus as well
61% now for a team spirit
They want to smoke up, can see it, RU, got to pop it, yep.
Wrap around, they're going up top, there's a tier one in the way,
so you can't really just go around and get onto that triangle.
And triangle is being protected very well by Heroic, holding the high grounds.
Oh, oh boy, I don't know if they know how close they are to Team Spirit though.
Oh, how long it's going to show.
It's going to be a nasty surprise when someone gets jumped.
Cataclysm will follow. The smoke from Heroic. Roche has respawned, but they need the fight to kick off first.
The boar walks past the task, I think. They pinged it. They know something's coming. Yatro's in smoke break position.
Humor's jumped in. Hex, Lotus comes after. Sunray over onto the Shadow Sharma to try to protect.
Rue getting blown up and finished off by the boat.
Whisper gets that first point of contact and kill on the Shadow Sharma, and now the chase is on towards collapse.
Try to keep her another drag back in with a jump from humor. They found the Mars arena BKB
And then maybe a TP with a cut isn't coming. They'll try to do what they can
Collapse with the yule's in the sky and a blink away and get the TP home
Get himself to safety try to take the wisdom again this greedy bastard
Smoked I think he's gonna get punished for this one. Yeah, so they go your ass do that
That is the third time they take the enemy wisdom though collapse taking them two in a row
I don't know if it's really worth it for him to die there because Roche being up now
You have no way of contesting it at all if you got to safety. Maybe you could
But I really doubt that he's gonna pull the trigger especially without having ulti. Yeah, probably not so Roche and for heroic
Looks to be that way for sure. You will come meanwhile finishing it up some farm down bottom guys octurene completed
That was very similar to Skeeter's blink out with Abaddon, where he blinked out from the
Roche pit and then they ended up getting the Roche stolen. This time it was Yuma blinking out, but
Loul and Rue, they're on to Whisper here. Serpent Wards, damage from the meteor, he's got Pipe and
Lotus with some one-charges but can't really slip away. Fantastic lockdown by Rue. When they're alone
they can definitely get brought down no matter how much tankiness you build on Konka.
Invoker and Rasta is a long disable with tons of damage.
Still dead even in this game. Even though it's felt like Heroic are making all the
right moves team spirit have had answers to them building towards a lot of strength as well
come late game four minutes on ages doesn't give this period of play a lot of um for heroic but
spirit are coming for you yeah they're leaving warlock through the gate vibe a teepees out they
don't want to fight without conca it's too scary meanwhile bottom though the x mark or the shackles
on to Warlock. Can actually after our reign is a freebie on the Warlock.
Yeah, nice ward and then quickly back through the gate, take the Torm.
There's another win going the way of Team Spirit. Slowly but steadily working their way back into
control of the game. And we've got past you. Invoker's got past the worst of it.
He really has, yeah. Laning against Viper is usually the worst of any game that you play
where you're laying against Viper
And now he's starting to feel pretty strong, he's got a lot of levels, almost as a blink dagger as well
so he'll have a bit of mobility in these fights
Let's see if we can all gather up some farm for Yuma
I think
Clear out, and that's a BKB done on Ursa
I think you desperately needed that BKB
There's been so much control from Two-Spirit in the fights
And just to cash all arena for walking in from walking in
Whispers got some grand plans
Well, yeah, oh, yeah, I see skip item builds. Very nice
What else does it what else does a pirate need a lot of rapiers and swashbuckling?
Cutless in a rapier more than a little bit maybe a single-shot pistol as well a pirate on his shoulder could do to
Lyle in viz
Ghost walking up to top and you see Rue on that left-hand side trying to look
For an opening, but the signal is there. The Ursa draws line on the map to come back through this top lane
Getting scanned though. They realize Team Spirit know that they're behind them. So Laura will quickly just run away from this area
The Rui is once again being sneaky drop the wards and he's hovering sitting around the entry line. I
Put the wards in the tower today. Yeah chip damage. Yeah, just get some damage push a little bit
They're doing a good job ghost pushing the the term of not showing rights the meatier clears the mid-wave
Rasta dropping some snakes
Just send some balls out there. I'm just sending whatever you can't fight anything that you know doesn't get killed by a nurse
Now that's what they used to push
Does mean the mid tower falls in the end
And can't help but feel that for Roach, despite having these ages on the Viper, they're flailing
to get control, hold on to the slippery team spirit.
It is so hard to pierce the map and find people when the spirit has this read of where
you're going and what you're up to.
There's no objectives for you to go and claim on the map, so no key vantage point
for you to play towards.
It's kind of push lanes try and stop spirit from wheezing themselves in these little hidey holes and look for a tier 2 play
But now spirit have all the items they need to smoke up and play as five. They've got these big two bi-altes to utilize
Yeah, Mars trying to lead the way looking for anyone he can find he has hex so initiation is gonna be way stronger spirit a scan though
Heroic with a read of their own feel this one coming
but the axe is quick to move in.
On to the Ursa with Cataclysm.
Good damage before he can get his spells off
and he was blown up.
Two down alongside a Tasker.
Team Spirit make their advance.
Off to King Jungle's now.
Yule to the skies.
The meteor hammer lands it.
Yatter through the axes
and whack in with those big old hands.
Kills off three in a row.
And they're right on the doorstep.
We can just keep pushing here as well.
Viper is defending for now
and sure he has Aegis
but timing out them 20 seconds.
X mark.
He's found one.
Drag back the invoker here with Thailand going in, but this is risky business.
It's like 2-2-1-5!
Thailand has to BKB and dive away!
Did force out the Supernil at least, so BKB wasn't traded for nothing.
But he had definitely another win for Team Spirit right there.
That's right, onto top tier 2.
They're doing a fantastic job against Ursa, using the right tools against him.
The hex to silence him, follow it up with an Orcid again to keep that silence going,
So at the entire time he had Aghanim's but it doesn't do anything for him this Agzan Ursa
Maybe when you're playing against Rasta, you know already scary to go for it since
He has a built-in tool, but then with a hex on Mars as well
Yeah, it's multiple ways to stop the Aghanim's on Ursa to do anything at all
It seems like it happened so quickly. They did double hacks and overlap it
But it didn't seem to match all that much and the orchid follow-up was really nice
Nice, the Bloodthorn now on the aftero.
He's looking strong.
Manta, Bloodthorn, soon that level 30 as well.
And as the odds have shifted big time, Tim Spurt definitely in the driving scene now
with the 12k lead, Lincoln's for the invoker, so even more protection for him.
I think it's Mark's.
Lincoln's very, very good against the potential Abyssal Blade to come out from the Versa,
as well as the of course X mark.
And if human's next quick buy item is accurate, it also tells a story that they also feel
they're struggling to control the map.
He wants Boots to travel because it has been such a scramble to move from one side to the
other.
Being Ghostpushed, Splitpushed, Invoker Forged Spirits, Pantos Phoenix, Ruse, Shadow Sheldon
and Serpent Wars.
They're just everywhere on the map.
And it seems like you've not had any tools to deal with them.
I can understand it, but at the same time, it really needs ways to hold onto people.
So, not going for a Bissell, not having that much damage either, you must have been owning
from the start of the game, but he hasn't really been able to do too much.
Falling off now as he's behind both Beastmaster and Mokra and Networkers.
Yeah, they're just being more efficient across the map, just the benefit of having summons,
right?
You have force spirits pushing one lane, Invoker farming somewhere else.
I'm not imagining a world in which Osa had that last stages instead of the Viper,
Maybe in that mid lane fight, Yuma's able to come back with a second line.
Yeah, we didn't really cover it, but it's a pretty big thing.
Like sure, they still got the Aegis, but having it on Viper wasn't really allowing the same aggression
that Ursa would have been able to commit to.
Easy for us with hindsight.
Yeah, and that was, again, a move by Panto.
Panto has been making so many nice little plays, dude.
DD Ursa, up at the front.
Spirit, I'm so nearby, so welcome by humor to get back across the little chasm.
I don't want to go on the Lotus Orb, Ursa. A little bit too risky.
DIA vision there, spots the retreat though. They've seen the full move from Haroé.
High ground vision near the ancients. I think where the South American team is going to stand and make base camp.
The thing is right now, T-Spirits aren't too stressed. Like, yeah, they're smoking up and they're looking for something.
But they're not feeling too stressed because they have two massive items coming up.
Refresher on Invoker and Refresher on Mars. If they get those two, that's just an absurd power spike.
You can have double Cataclysm, double Hex Arenas.
So understandably, they're being a bit tentative about how they approach this.
Let's just dive into it, Roak.
It's high-long in this game. It feels like he's being sent back to the prison and chained
up again by Shifu. He needs to break free of the chains.
It definitely feels like it's a cage, a viper running around looking to push out lanes all
the time but it's always just someone shoving a lane and disappearing usually it's long
he's such a pest and he's getting paid well to do it as well 4.4k gold now in his net worth
or in his bank account sorry all right that with a beard and mane like that on invoker
wouldn't dare mess with him looking like a thing purple gem north lamathist
Yeah, and again they're trying to group and go as five top, but you know they's gonna come knocking on bottom lane again
Like hello, you forgot about me. Mr. Invoker just split push. Yeah, you can't ignore this
You're gonna have to defend an equity these
These first players are reading even without it. It's so scary though. We can hear exactly whisper has to X mark
Inside his own basic clear it because several times he whisper has been the one to come and deal with these split pushes and several times
He's been caught by ruin law. Yeah, it's just scary when you know that you can just jump by a number of different things
Exes wars. Yeah
Even just Beastmaster jumping you roar and silence
The road chance standoff begins
We know it's 10 seconds to go in Walker acid. Yeah after I was in with a raw snowball from the other cord doesn't come
But I don't know
He used it, but did he immediately double click it?
Yeah, I'm not sure what happened. I think it was Yattrow and Fogg?
I think it was too fast. Yeah, maybe Fogg first and then he used it after it, but it was too late.
He was standing right inside the Roche pit, so I would not see it from his vision, but I think he lost vision.
I thought for sure Theo would have the save there, but yeah, maybe just outplayed by Yattrow or unfortunate for the Tusk.
Now, down you a Viper for 60 seconds, doesn't really want to buy back.
Might have to though as Roshan roars and spirits start to poke at the big man in the pit. It's building axis
Stacking them up. Torren's counting
Whisper leading for this is a risky risky go
Supernova in the pit blocking them away from the advanced tornado poking at them as well
So Yattra gets ages. Yuma's in though. Aggressive ploy from heroic as they go forward into the refreshes though from two spirits
they drop people's down and try to deal with them.
Thailand brought back.
They're in the pit and they've killed Yatharoth once.
Fatal Bones are good as well.
Klaaps gets bullied back.
Yatharoth, the both of them, the castles are coming in.
As if damage, but much on the cheese,
Yuma still fine.
Rauder's speared back in the pit.
Thailand and Yuma in trouble.
Yatharoth opens up and backs the drum.
He's killed off both sides of the pit
and died back for Thailand.
Klaaps on the tail of King Juggles now
with a sudden ring of the Hanks
on the Chosk will clear out heroic.
Collapse chasing for the final kill, the little warlock is not gonna be able to squirm away.
I whisper, I hide and...
Fall five man wipe is incoming.
Try to hide in the tree line, but the long lick tongue of the lore
rules Shattershall and locks him in place and Team Spirit, a massive Teamfight victory,
leads them to the raid in base.
Now they may have survived the first cataclysm, but the second one coming in as well there, it's just too much.
brings them down very very nice teamfight plan and you can just see how much
control they have on the side of dire all these dual hexes and shackles love
thorn just too many different things to work against them are so committed agonies
of their ulti and BKB and then got brought into a snowball he was stuck
unable to do too much kind of wasting some of his BKB duration it was a
good save but ultimately he couldn't kill enough and they're pushing
everything. Top, bottom, Biobags are available, but without Viper available.
It's a difficult task.
Klaas is gonna push the issue now.
Shackles out from Rue, Arena of the Anta, that keeps him in place. Tusk is down.
KJ trying to stand his ground for the roar, and the sun's bright quickly dispatching.
With a wall lock, its team spirit sweeps through the entirety of the radiant base.
Mega creeps now available.
Do have Biobags still, they have to wait for the Viper though.
20 seconds to go though and your tear falls under assault, serpent waltz, roast banner,
double catapult wave and Yathrow and a big beast master, frontline for team spirit.
That's so difficult to go on anyone.
Yuma, you need to kill the banner.
Lenkton and Rage is to clear it out.
Rook at least have their throne still standing.
Ultimately going to back up and get their new wave of items coming in.
And that will start it with Panto supernova preemptively in the Roche pit.
Make sure that no quick sneaky blinks in there.
Yeah, exactly. Just rough, man. Just rough to watch from Heroic's perspective.
They tried to go on to any target, but they're so slippery on the side of Team Spirit.
The invoker having so much movement speed running around.
Feels like Laurel has played a perfect game after a laning stage.
always been out of touch for them. Out of reach.
Cata? Is this a thing? Yeah, scouting Cataclysm before they go Tormentor.
He has Doctorine, so pretty low cooldown, anyway.
Gets himself the shard. Finally.
With the refresher, we could see a whole lot of Forged Spirits in the next teamfight.
If he lands a double Cataclysm, then again, if the double Cataclysm lands, there's
usually not too many people left to kill for those Forged Spirits.
Right, sure.
Well, there'll be buildings left.
Well, that's also not true.
That's how we are.
Building.
There's two, I guess.
There's little statues.
Actually, three.
Yeah, I see.
There's an effigy and half of a moon well.
We miss the moon wells.
I'm going to die of ziggurats.
I don't miss when the moon wells have the little healing
business going on.
Yeah, bring back the shrines.
Do not bring them.
Everyone always tells me, all pros
talk about how much they love the shrines. The shrines in the base were bad, the shrines
outside the base were also bad. That's actually true.
That's several iterations of these outposts and watchers and wisdom shrines. Term of
knowledge was a fun experiment for a while.
Right now, heroic pin into their base, buybacks lacking. Just have to be so cautious.
They do have the Abyssal Blade on Ursa, he spent his money, he expended his buyback for this.
So no buyback for Ursa, he's all in, he has to kill some key target.
The problem is, I think most of them have buyback by now,
farmed there, yeah, Beastmaster, Invoker, Mars, every single one has buyback and Phoenix even has one.
Rasta of course just 300 gold away, but he has an A on this, so that's a buyback in his own form.
Whisper trying to keep Tagago right now, smoke up.
Keep the rapier hidden for as long as possible, but he's going to show on that mid-wave to clear it.
And Team Spirit with a smoke approaching the base.
One range creep gives vision over onto Tylong.
Jump from collapse, immediate spear into the capitalism here.
The arena tracks the Vibran side.
Viper down.
A 4v5 on Heroic as Yuma moves in onto collapse.
Good damage for Supernova and the Sunray's going to force Heroic back.
Roaring and then the capitalism will clear out the bear.
It's hibernation time now.
Lights out.
That's Heroic.
They're focused down and forced back into the fountain.
Thrones open, Serpent Wars declare it out.
And not much left to do but watch them die and sacked for their own well as collapse zones
them away with another great arena.
Whisper, PKB, you're not holding Graveyard but not much to get accomplished.
Fable Ponds?
Ah, doesn't connect with the boat.
You'll step into the sky, he's all fine, and there's the throne, falling, Gigi
called and Spirit tie things up.
I at least love the attempt from Whisper.
They sold Lotus, sold his pipe, sold everything to buy two Crystallis along with his Rapier
and just try and do whatever damage he can, but it's not enough.
Team Spirits, they held on and worked their way back into this one.
And pretty classic Team Spirits fashion as well.
Lose game one, win game two.
We'll see how they do those.
Game three comes up.
That is the classic, but this was a little bit different in the sense that it looked
like we were going to see Heroic execute their scrap perfectly at the start.
early game so good for them but in the end they just abd away. Yeah I would say I want to see how
Heroic kind of like swap it up for I would say game three because you could see that in this game
it was very different. I mean they had the lead early on like you said but you can already see
here in this highlight spirit they've kind of got you know the lock on this game that what they're
up now like AK gold they've got the D's they've got their invoker with the refresher I think
after all like Heroic lost some of the tower push they had in game one with like the jikiro
And this time around, they then got to play the map nicely with the moisture supports they owned again
They have the ghost push with the forges with the beast
You know the boys once heroic made one or two mistakes and gave the leader this game fell kind of hard to play
I mean look at all the highlights we're saying right here not the gameplay
But the mini map right the fact is the first two agencies went the way of heroic if you talk about that in the last game
They're taking tier two. They're choking out the map. They're really reminding through it
We are not letting you online 40 minutes into the game all three tattoos are alive right something went wrong for heroic
They didn't really capsize of course. There were a couple deaths here
It's couple moves were right where I didn't like really kind of compound into this is our game
And the fact that I think the entire game was always like five six thousand dollars for her
I that is your inviting spirit to find that fight and again
We talked about the adjustments to the the invoker in the mods added into the roster
You're always gonna have a stunt a cataclysm some moment to punish and this time they did it
Yeah, and obviously once those double refreshes wrong line as well. I mean like
It's an absurd how it's going to be.
Yeah, you can't really come back from.
Yeah, Team Spirit, they weathered the storm a lot better this time around.
No, they did.
It was a tie-long on the Viper, right?
I think he went BKB first, right?
He went BKB, straight BKB, then he went AXE.
So in the previous game, it was a different build.
He's a bit more tanky, a bit more aggressive.
He's playing more towards the defensive mode.
Then of course you have a Kunko waiting for someone else to shine.
The lane can be a bit of a playmaker, but yeah, I think in general, just heroic.
They tried doing the same draft, spirit, they read it, adjusted, and of course, Rue, so
many Shadow Shaman games we've seen from here at Valahia.
I don't, it's like what fourth, fifth game it feels like, and he is always able to
find these jumps.
And into heroes like Ursa, when you actually control the tempo, the hex is very valuable
against the agonim's Ursa.
Like, and he owned a lot, like there was this big time where he found like solo
pickers going around, making space, and I think not just him, but like also
like they had a lot of cool things in this game and also like what they did you know again the eggs were good the
Sun rays were good we're in the right place at the right time because it's not just the course
It's really like everything together because heroic again
They had a super good early game even the mid game
But they didn't really get enough out of it the map wasn't like open in a way that they needed to against the strat from
Spirit and then I think eventually they just kind of ran away with it
Well, we can take a look at some of the moments from the game where that started to happen, right?
You know, it's a classic like team spirit kind of you know fashion like with what they're going
You know, it's like around this time on the map, like you want to like make things happen, whereas, you know, you're heroic
You're really like looking to like get more kills on the map and a kind of half things going on
So here already they're smoking towards his top area
But if you look at the map, they're already soul spread like Laurel. He read this move already
He's backing off in the meantime collapse is pushing a bottom there in the triangle. There are two supports
They're just here. This is a play while they're behind
It's just two supports here in the meantime all three cores of farming they're using their spells super nicely
Not only do they kill a core, they also now chase Tylong, so they're making everyone go back on the map.
They kill a guy, they force this guy's BKB, in the meantime everyone is still farming, and even during this,
during, like now in the bottom side of the map they're going for another play, so a 3K lead for Radiant.
By the time they respawn, they're behind, they're losing all their map control, and the game is kind of just... it's done.
The nice thing is, the first clip you showed, seeing a Phoenix parked in front of a T2 tile farming,
You don't really see that as much where it's like post-4 gets the full sit back in like AFK farm
No, it's plus five sorry, but you get the point that the full support just chilling there
I he was able to then farm of four stuff and that was another adjustment right the idea in last game
He rushed a finance this time around it's like no against vipers and us
So fighting we can see the item timing from him there
It's like the Phoenix going straight for stuff having the freedom to farm there playing with the showman the MVP roof
Like these are the things that feel like a completely different, you know level of execution
So yeah, this is when he did pick up in the image from in the courier flying out or something
Yeah, he also actually this is game one. I believe not because again, so he did do the force which I will say it was
It's a quite big
This is still pretty good with the hot spot. This is how we can tell this is game one
And this is still game one exactly hot spot with the lens
But I liked it. He did have the adjustment because I think overall also like this is spirits strength
There we go! Woo!
What we were showing you, of course, was Game 1.
What we should have actually said is, look at Game 1 here at A4 Lens.
Look at how lackluster it looked.
After them, when we transition to this graphic, the one with the 4 staff, look at the damage he was cooking.
In general, he's OP with 4 staff.
The highest damage at this time.
At this point, which was very important.
I think the force was super good.
Also, you touched on, I think, after Game 1, like the faster choice.
Let's swap it up. I think another reason why they owned a little bit more in this early game as well is look at the damage
Like that's a lot and I think like this guy overall like their supports when spirit are in form
You see all five players like pull their weight and that moments even more and I think in this game
Especially the supports they did that but I get I just love the fact that like you can look at support
And it's like it's the same thing they're doing the same thing by an item choice change a farm pattern choice change
the small things that you might say missing the big picture are so important. So yeah,
I think Panto, same hero, two games in a row, but very, very different. So if you get Phoenix again,
I am looking towards like the game to Phoenix. So shout out to the supports. We love you.
Always. Always. But we are going to take a quick break. When we come back,
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But we have got another draft to do, another $1 million
prediction for.
And we've seen what heroic conceptually want to do now
across two drafts.
It did make a slight adjustment, which
I thought was a good one.
Bringing in the tusks for the jacquero,
give him a bit more mobility, very good save on the vipers,
pretty immobile.
Let them be a bit more, how shall we say,
active around the map.
but it just didn't seem to pan out the way I thought it would.
So I guess that's where teams, when they change,
it's very simple for us as analysts on the panel
to talk about the draft changers.
But obviously in any competition, if you are to make it far,
not only do you have to make draft changers,
but also play.
Like Spirit Girl from Game 1 to Game 2,
there's a clear focus on when they walk to mid,
we go mid as well.
Like don't allow them just to do these moves.
So I feel like for Heroic,
they kept the same theme of draft,
They tried playing the same way and Spirit tweaked their draft and their play so heroic
It's like if you didn't broke don't fix it now going to game two like they're the ones who need to try and change up their play
Because like if you're gonna be predictable like this where you have the strong lanes you run towards mid
You're probably gonna get outplayed if Spirit are prepared for it
Which again clearly in game two they were and look at these bands coming in these are the collapse bands
It's it is very different. I mean we saw his Mars in the last game
You know Mars collapse it goes hand-in-hand to when this guy even first debuted like on the scene, but the center ban is a little
Not strange
But in a way I need to see more to like for it to kind of make sense later
Like what are they setting up for whether it's some range carry or something else of course centers like an overall good hero
But is it it's generally not first phase band-worthy?
Well, let's not forget the spirit in this position. They did buy out the meepo in their first force bands. Yes this time around
they've banned I think it was Tree instead which now does shove the Mipo into the pool again not
expecting her to take it now more down the line like an 18 pick or whatever well now the center
band of course makes more sense at least one of the few counters to the SD old would be
decimped means another hero we've seen banned in most of the games I'm pretty sure we've been
on with the SD of course so heroic you know they should be overall happy with this one but
I will say the one thing they had in game one was like this
They did have okay catch, but they had like overwhelming push like if you're not there Jokiro's just blasting the tower
Yeah, there's some golem you have a super big lead so you can just like truck down the map
I think in game two they didn't have great push nor did they have great catch
And I think this is generally when you're gonna fall flat against bird and I like this choice also
You know second-phase ban Puck is gonna be there from heroic. So promote it first phase happy one ban player game
And now for Tylong, it's like you see the puck, you're probably not going to be playing
Viper, right?
You're going to be looking towards other heroes, like Viper sure can be annoying a little bit
for puck, but puck in the game doesn't care, you just kill the backline, you'll buy
friends with shevers, you know, life continues, so I'm excited to see him play a different
hero, I guess.
Like maybe they then get the Beastmaster, right, on like, 14-15 potentially, you take
the Beast mid and then you kind of flip the script, everything you've been saying
for spirit you kind of give to her right it is always a possibility inside I'd
like spirit to these be mindful of I'm just taking the warlock away as well
it's a little of what they did last game right there why they just respected
because spur can pick out of face so they remove it and you can easily see
the jacquero band as well then if you want to really put it down yeah to that
level especially if SD might want to go for position SD4 into jacquero move a
a good carry you are just gonna I just want to play against Panto's bloody
Phoenix like those bad in support it is annoying for sure I mean maybe that's the
debate they're having right now is like there's jacquero there's Phoenix and
also it's like do we want to ban these supports out is there a different core
that we're missing yeah because you also have to respect the fact that you 16
17 if you ban the correct core you can break people's draft as well like
that's the other thing I was thinking about for the like last draft as well
they took out like jacquero plus one but then there's just gonna take like
Rasta and Phoenix so maybe here you can also just like yeah like take out the
shaman because you know they're gonna have one of the other two but you know
obviously they have you know their choices like whatever it may be I think if
we go back to like what's Thailand's hero versus Pac you mentioned the beast won't
be there maybe it's like the tiny devoid spirit like just some semi or like
a more clear answer to like stop him from doing what obviously Pac wants to
do good old whisper I will say he did try at the very end he sold like
some items got some rape here I think he only clapped them you know who I was
proud of tell me lal because he got gank like six time oh yeah he was he got
destroyed mid and he hung in the pocket and made great contributions later on
well munched no I'm in the pocket of American oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well
identified. Yeah go me, thank you. Go me. It looks good. If you watched any of the
sport besides Dota, that would be... No, I know it. So what's his name? Barrow?
Whatever. That was like some documentary on Netflix and I kind of like half
watched it. Oh okay. Oh Michael Jordan, yeah I know that. Yeah, yeah. They put the... Love, MJ.
Hoops and whatever. Alright. But there's still the shaman. Very unfair
enough. You see a puck on the enemy team, right? Normally when you see puck
So early pick you always try to go for DK's pop. Sorry DK shaman lion
Tiny voice for it. That's not like the the five that you'll entertain
The primal beast though, it's
I'm intrigued by this one because integer Kiro eyes pop is really annoying in the early game such distance
You play on blink you'll get to get your pulverized council
Puck as well like trying to connect to stun on them is really annoying and then you have silence unquestionately little things to stop a primal
Yeah, let's have a little, maybe not surprise, because I know that Thailang has played it before, but yeah, like in that sense, he's not like my puck counter in that way.
And I know Whisper can play, it's maybe they're using, it's like, you know, a soft flex until spiritual, you're the next two picks, and then you go for that, because, yeah, you know, it's not like my go-to,
when I'm like, okay, I want to own puck, Primal Beast is not the one that comes to mind for me.
Yeah, it can be offline mid, but it could also be the argument of like, let's say you just, you want the blink dagger, you take primal mid, get a couple kills, puck might annoy you for a bit, but then you straight go BKB and then you don't care.
Yeah, like the counters are in the early game based on you
Incorrectly initiating. Yeah, but if you don't incorrectly initiate if you do get a couple kills if you do accelerate your timings
And I mean of course primal was like it's one of the most
Amazing heroes with like blink B2B
Refresher shivers acts like you get all these items you can you can just win games by yourself pretty much
But of course that's super far down the line and spirit then go for another
anti-primal here so jukero on one side of the map with an ice bath, clockwork on
another side with hookshot battery so and cogs and then there's a puck as well
so there's three lanes that primal cannot easily kill unless they've wasted
their spells and primals kind of following after. Yeah this is one of the
better clock games I would say that we've seen so far like both these
supports don't like you same with primal like you talk about you know
you get the BKB eventually and you're good like against the puck
against the jacquero if clock stays out he's the rogue pangor into the primal also
mean the other day we were questioning it was something that banded against them right yeah
so there's obviously something going on because this hero if you ask most guys that play 20 pups a
day even now this year was dead yes well as we talked about yesterday one dan was almost
every one of pangor's abilities got nerfed yes oblivion absolutely outside of that though if
If you ignore the fact that double jump doesn't exist and he doesn't have reduced cooldown
on shield crash and that stuff, he is still going to be-
You're still a daughter hero.
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That's great.
Rolling Thunder has always been great against supports that a backliner is waiting
for information. Charlotte and FD need that. So if you ignore the kill potential, the simple
information that Pangolin provides is still going to be the same. Rolling Thunder is still
rolling Thunder. Just the kill potential and all the scaling and nuisance, that's been
nerfed. So if that's what Spirit 1 is, technically it will do the job. But it is still nerfed
in all the other aspects of the hero.
Okay, so the Primal should be going mid, then you get the Tide who goes off lane.
Okay, I mean the it's not like the highest damage draft overall from spirits
So Tide would say overall is pretty good because it's very survivable against these heroes can build pipe
Which is nice and it's only pango that deals damage
Not the only problem is when you do pick a hero like this like most of these melee offlaners
They have some matchups that are really hard to play into yeah, so razors taken out
You need to consider Ursa always when you pick your underlords your Tide hunter
So this hero needs to get banned or picked in a way also if you're heroic
And then it's also like up to spirit like what's your replacement because you generally like you need three guys if you need to
Expect the enemy team to understand the two heroes they need to ban you go for the third one and for heroic at the same time
They need to understand what do we want for you ma in earlier team mentioned you the left the mepo in the pool
That's cool. Yeah, oh my bad. I'm not even here anymore
And the TA, who had that 100% win rate so far.
So I had to double check what Pyongalia was like at Dream League just to see if it was played.
It was played twice, Farquhens picked it up once, Heavizion picked it up once, both in the hands of the offlaners.
So both Amar and Triple S have dabbled with the heroes.
Tell me the build, do you have options of checking that out?
I'm trying, give me a second.
I think it was just, like, still the odd build, it was like Diffu Shard Blink.
link. It wasn't like they were trying to buy auras. Yeah. I mean, okay, so at least for
now, Heroic didn't ban Ursa. Maybe they feel good enough that the, like the SD ult can,
you know, cover him. But in that way, there's a pango, there's a clock, there's a puck
that can cover your Ursa from SD ever doing that. So I would be a little afraid of this
pick at least coming out. Okay, they ban it. Also cool. Respecting that Heroic
can maybe just snatch it out of phase. Right. Get back to pango one last time,
Diffusal in this game. It's tight and probably that's all nasty over really nasty yet
But spirits line up is a lot of like poke poke poke poke poke and then at some point in the fight
Oh click and it's like now now we're gonna kill you right?
So I think just keep an eye on how spirit engages because if they are through in this game
Just the the skill and how they kind of keep dragging the engagement from into different areas is gonna be really fun to watch
I'm able to pick juggernaut
I
Maybe will see the other things
But one of the many things will be to pick mr. Omni flash into pango
I mean I will say if you see pango clock, it's not like the most formidable lane
So you do kind of have three pickings of what you want
So if our main screen for juggernaut, then what's your target info?
Well human went for win rangers
That's overall solid, you can lock on to people, you have high movesfield obviously with Windrun,
you build a BKB later against the roll and the coil, so overall you're chill, I think
it's good, and you also have to do it blind, since Yatoro does get the counter pick.
So something that answers Tide and then later is good against Windranger, it's kind
of nice if you have a good laner that builds into an MKB like around mid game.
I was thinking M could be Bayer, but also Silveridge and that too.
Is there ever a world where you bring back like the PA?
Like maybe.
You still have a lot of knives.
I mean the only problem is the stupid fan of knives is not the axe.
So instead of it being the shard, it's like you get it so much later.
I'm just picturing like imagine being SD or Charmin playing into that lane.
You get hit by any jacquero spell you're gonna feed.
You farm against the tide.
Tide might get a couple of the knives on you to be annoying.
But you also force the Windranger, can I actually kill the PA?
The Toro drawranger.
Also true.
I am able to maybe take the Ranger.
So if he takes it close enough, or not really, but still Ranger on.
We're raging.
We're raging.
I mean Luna was also not on my bingo card, we've got two unpicked heroes, you know,
Spirit there, they're on the good stuff here late at night.
All I care about is I want to see Luna take the shield facet, like moon shield or
whatever, that's the one I care for.
because sure you get a bit more damage on Lucent Beam, but the damage reduction you get when the glaives are just flowing, it's really good, I think it's like 20, maybe more, maybe it's 20 and then 5 up per level or 15 and then 5 up, I'm not sure, it's still just like, the idea of just damage mitigation has always been, you know,
So, we talked about race packs and all those and whatever, but Lunar can do that.
You farm nicely into the Tidehunter, and to repeat myself for Spirit Sign Up, it is going
to be a lot of poking through the first four heroes, and then when your tour is ready,
it's like, okay, fight around me, I can get the kill, but it is going to be just
really high-skill kind of team fighting for Heroic.
It's pretty much get your items, and then I think for Tylong, he's got such a hard
game to play.
early picked the primal into two anti-primal heroes to then enable more
heroes to counter him, but even Louie with a Lucent Beam, if she walks into the fight
you're not gonna hit the pov right so I'm just really excited to see like
Kan Tai Lung in a very difficult primal game showcase why he's picked it like
this early. Yeah because I think he's definitely not like set up for it to
be easy. I think both drafts are good in like their own way and I think your
Toro, I mean he's a big fan of the Silverge you talk about too, I think
include us a very good hero like at buying it, especially against the tide as well.
So you know I'm excited for a good game, but I give a slight edge to Spirit.
Yeah, Luna's tough playing from behind though.
Can't they just bully the Luna?
I mean there's always a world of win-rangers that locks onto her in every fight, but I
know I just feel like if her win this, it is just gonna be like an exciting win, because
they're gonna have to like do things that I don't think many people expect with
their heroes.
Alright then guys, so we'll find out what happens.
So gentlemen, we have some Luna-C in this game.
Well we might just late night Dota digging deep for some funny heroes. Team Spirit grab out a few which haven't been picked or haven't been popular in a while Wagga.
Yeah but Luna is an interesting one. I'm glad that TGov feels the same way that I do. Excited about the moon shield that he was looking for for a while.
He actually is not going to play it though. He had it marked at first but he shifted last second over to the moon storm instead.
I'm unhappy about it because it's actually 30% damage reduction that you have when you activate it, which is a lot
It's even more than they said on panel and for eight seconds duration
That's just crazy value, but no he wants to wants the aggressive routes yatra wants to be the damage dealer after all
Yeah, and some high don't a plus tier heroes here for spirit Luna clockwork puck all up there for those three
And we'll see like the panel said how Thailand does on this primal beast early picked go into the mid lane
You know against the puck it doesn't make sense. We've seen Malreen in particular show off how you can solo kill a puck or
Chain your spells and combo them together to make sure there's no face shifting or dodging exactly
But it's a hard game in general
It is pretty difficult
He will need his BKB quite badly to be able to operate in this game the clockwork can be in particular frustrating
The ice path can also be really disruptive
But yeah, if you if you catch someone as a primal beast you can shift Q your onslaught shift Q stopping the onslaught and
and shift your trample into that, and it's a very, very nasty way to kill punk.
Already, Thaelicor, radiant hero on die-side of the map, meets some stiff resistance from collapse and ruin.
Maybe it's a little too late in the night, it's Theo and KJ getting run down by a jacquero,
but the speedy shadow shaman with windlays.
They tie their shoes and run away, leaving KJ with brown boots to also try and speed away.
It does have the boots, and there's the two of them.
Throwing the nuke, a shackle, no trees behind him, so collapse is fine, it's just a little scrap.
That's a lot of attention to this lane though, this leaves Tidehunter completely alone up top,
already getting bullied a bit by the battery assault of the clockwork, he's not gonna be able to get to the lane that easily.
On the Tidehunter.
And there's still a bounty rune on the map, I was trying to figure out where it all gone.
Panto Yattaro KJ get one apiece and the fourth one still down at bottom jungle.
I was gonna say it's fermenting but that's not a thing anymore, it's just laying there and being sad.
It's upsetting.
Well Whisper taking the brunt of the damage from Panto already pressing forward with a battery assault.
Doing a good job to chip away at him.
Of course when you hear her like Luna, she can add a tremendous amount of long range assistance to help you in this kind of lane.
Yeah, she's one of those heroes who can easily offset the support battle 1v1
just to throw those losing beams
and should be under no real stress here on this lane
especially with the start that Tidehunter had getting bullied away a little bit
she got a free lane of CSing
for the nice already
Forced all the way back
and the AKJ on the Shadow Demon has to bail
Panto might get on Whisper here with the Cogged
Level 2 advantage for Team Spirit
Unlikely to get the full kill on Whisper, but definitely putting him in this range where he's gonna have to sit back and salve
Annoying for him, but meanwhile King jungles was creating some stacks over on the SD so building the the preparation for a comeback mechanic
Might be for him, but also be for the primal beast shackles plus windranger damage on to collapse
It's a lot with a blood grenade and the first blood is there if I feel the core
Very nice. Sees the chance with a done grenade securing the kill.
And now a shackle shot.
We're just going to keep the damage going on to Rue,
but this fire wave approaching is kind of difficult to break past,
so I'm just going to fall back and continue farming.
There's a lot of damage onto the Windranger.
That's no real way to heal herself,
and if you pank her back, she has to just sit back and be very careful.
Panto's having a cracking time up top.
Can't disrupt the clock.
Patrick's holding cogs well placed,
And now leaving Whisper and the one versus two late.
They still work, even just going up and hitting, kind of forcing the anchor smash out of the Whisper as well.
Just good positioning overall by In-Mount Crawford.
Yeah, this point is going to ring true throughout the game.
We'll come back to it in a second.
Stheolokor is being harassed down by Rue.
Can he get the Bounty Rune and slip through the river with a few more touches that Shakiro could have it?
But Stheolokor's pretty quick on his feet.
Shouldn't burn down with a tango checking up.
He's all right to live just barely with his passive as well of course.
Dust is the foul play two minutes cooldown on that and he's gonna run all the way back to base
but meanwhile look at the human has an HP under tower here.
Very low.
Yeah, he's gonna have to bring some some salve or something to see if salve on the courier.
Yeah, so soon coming in.
With the glyph, I'm actually keeping this pressure up under tower and King Junkles has also been forced to make that rotation
because the Shadow Shaman was forced out of the lake.
Yeah, but him coming down here means there's not really any pressure up top.
Yatoro, left to his own device, free farming.
Yeah, that top lane, signal of things to come for the supports on the radiant side.
Clockwork, very good at scouting, getting into the backlines.
And the panel we're talking about, Pango, that rolling thunder doing the same thing.
When you're relying on these information supports, you play from Fog, getting there.
Getting on top of them really makes their life difficult to choose their targets.
Ooh, nice to hear a shackle.
I'm gonna shackle us onto the jikiro as well.
Rue gonna click down, fairy fire buys a little bit of life,
but Windranger has the range to take him down.
A few seconds time, then we'll have shackle again,
so Collapse has to be very cautious, try to pull the creeps.
Shackles and...shackle shots just keep on coming.
Shackles and shackles, it's a good synergy, Gareth, this combo.
The warden and the prison guard down here
against the poor Collapse and Rue prisoners.
Yeah, and they don't have a great way to save each other,
None of them have a stun or a silence, so no real way of breaking Shadashaman's target.
Eyes on mid lane. Tylong against Lall. 25-7 for the Primal Beast. Big tanky melee hero.
Now cutting waves to try and farm through the jungle at the same time.
Against that early advantage.
Yep, checking if there's any good camps to farm with this, but no safters or anything easy like that.
So just not clear the creep wave.
It's hard to stop a Primal Beast when they get into this motion of pulling the creeps behind your tower.
as Puck of course has to deal with his own creeps. We can't just chase.
It's gonna be a game of cat and mouse for Loll this game.
Play keep away from the primal base. I already have supports making their moves over.
It's been some contesting on the stacks creation. Panto has been in there with the sentry drop.
Of course not too far for the six minute runes. 30 seconds.
The Panto is just non-stop chasing Shadow Demon. Wherever KJ goes Panto will follow.
I want to be my friend, Shadow Demon.
Okay, Jason. No, Tylong is my friend, actually.
Bring the final piece to the cross to help out, but he's trapped in the cogs
and can't do much about the clockwork.
I think it's optimistic to immediately go for the pulverize there.
He could have waited out the battery salt to a soon-ending.
He did have two illusions nearby and immediately got stunned, so...
I guess he was taking the gamble, though.
That's not gonna hit me. Why would it hit me?
He gambled and lost.
He so he did.
Now, Panto, trying to kill that top rune and successfully does so.
Disruption and a deny on the DD?
Aaaaaaah!
Does get it!
But dies for it.
That's costly.
Losing your life like that.
Not a great feeling.
Estee's struggling to get too much done.
Does leave the Tidehunter alone up at top.
And I feel like quite often Tidehunter does pretty well.
Just to sit in lane and farm.
But as soon as you bring that clockwork back in, Whisper has to run away.
And I could maybe try and turn, but...
I'm actually going in and committing it for a lot of trades.
I wasted a lot of that resources.
I'll whisper now down to one tango, one lotus.
And with really low HP, the tides are you going to fight for the wisdom?
All of this first coil comes in dodging away from the animation of disruption,
but they've got a pulverize from Tylon trampling over but Codt will block him away.
Oh man, for the onslaught. Wrapping around, it's Theolikor.
Trying to come in from behind under Panto.
Our scan is there. King Jungles cuts him off.
Seven minutes in, he wants to go for the Wisdom Shrine, but King Jungles and Theolikor will pair up.
Took up Panto here with the shackles and the damage.
Little by little. Get through that tin man of the battle plan.
Finally bring him down.
down. A lot of heroes rotating, not too many things dying, but in the end they get Panto
taken down. So it was a one for one on the Wisdom. Mr. Chikiro secured the other one.
Wind Ranger being left alone down bottom during this and not too happy. Oh no. Collapsed
2700 net worth. Now is that a great time because Mr. Chikiro standing by his side.
He's had a significantly easier lane than the Tidehunter who was kind of shut down
from the start. In a classic spirit fashion, isn't it? You know, lose lanes in game one,
come back in game two, game three, solid foundation from the very beginning.
That's looking great. Block it in. Honestly, a lot of it comes down to the support play
as well. Panto has been all over this game. Top notch on the clock.
Yeah, he's making it feel like, why don't we see Clockwork more? You know, he's
He's been blowing a Shadow Demon, one of the absolute meta heroes, and just making it
look really nice.
Tylong is still up there on the net worth though.
I'm accelerating pretty quickly as he clears through some camps.
But he's so far been unable to turn that early lead, early level 6, into any meaningful
grab.
And now Team Spirit, in his lane, pushing his tower, forcing a reaction out of heroic.
Yeah, poking.
He probably wants to go on this.
It's difficult though.
They have icepath ready as well now, so if you try and commit in, there's going to be
a disabled.
He just doesn't want his tower to die.
He's going to do something about it, but Team Spirit, yeah.
Very well positioned here to keep poking at the objective.
They're patiently pushing.
He's threatening to go up and ulti the puck, but there's no real concern there.
Rocket flag is visioned again of those two supports.
Panther knows exactly what angle they're approaching from.
Tower nearly falls from this constant pressure.
The nice deep ward is giving them a lot of confidence to make this play as well, the word next to a tower.
Primal, we can hear him using all his stuff in the jungle.
He just wants to build towards, looks like a blink-dagger first item.
Pretty common for Primal.
Collapsed going to roll in thunder to disengage from that focus fire.
The humor started to take over this bottom lane a little bit.
Natural rain, just smell a fashion.
Good trade by Yuma.
You're very happy to trade your focus fire for a pango ulti.
Tear one down in that mid lane.
Laurel with an Invis.
Massive ancient stack is being made here.
King Jungles tries to go for one more.
Can they kill Tylong?
Are they gonna give it a shot?
Dual breath with a coil, shackles to hold the puck,
Pantos in with a battery assault and cocked,
pushing back Tylong who tried to onslaught and down he goes.
Yeah
That's what we were concerned about early seeing this primal into these heroes who have so many disables the coil the silence the ice path the battery
Assaulting the cogs just really disrupting him from doing what he wants
You can see the frustration on the player cam there scratching his head
Wriggling around in a chair not sure what's going wrong
As Panto scouts out the ancient stacks and potentially could lead to some contesting here for spirit
Now we might see it, T-Sphere seems to be shifting their focus down to Yuma though, don't want to let him have a good game.
Very nice connection, everybody showing up for this tower, quickly taking it down.
Meanwhile, more farming-oriented focus, they're clearing out what I think was a five-stack on the ancient, so...
At least getting a lot of gold over on the primal.
Panto wants to know what's going on!
There's all sorts of juicy business happening there, so he says, hello, how are you doing?
Well, you'll find out and you'll find his way to safety as well.
Not even really running away, it's just being so damn annoying!
He walks back into them, yeah?
I swear, Panto has been looking like one of the most frustrating supports to play against.
Look at him!
This guy's just in there!
How do I deal with him?
How about I disrupt him and run away?
He knows he doesn't have ulti yet on Shadow Demon.
He makes the most out of it.
Trying to leech experience from the ancients.
Just get whatever he can.
And he's also doing the tranquil boots trick on Clock as well.
Something we've seen a lot from our Flaners.
There's disassembling, reassembling.
So he's on the map permanently.
He goes in, trades some hits, takes damage, goes back, heals to full.
Yeah, he looks very experienced doing it as well
because he's always leaving just one item locked.
When you disassemble both the items, they're automatically locked.
He unlocks everything, Whisper.
Ah, yeah!
With Tylung!
Shreds through Lollipanto.
Nice combination there.
Was a little unexpected with Whisper just walking like that,
but Tylung lines it up beautifully.
And more than a little bit,
caught them completely by surprise.
Me too, Whisper.
Lance a massive ravage.
And that is going to give them mid tower as well,
cut definitely.
They commit the serpent warts along.
We're having the siege creep.
Now they ship their attention to top.
And I sort of turn in play as Team Spirit, one of the ones building up that head of steam.
Oh damn, they're ulti on Luna.
Back up the top onto Whisper.
Knowing he has no rabbit, body blocking with Panto, keeping him in place and the eclipse gonna come in.
Blade Mail does seem pretty nifty there against Luna.
Not enough when he's all on his own though.
Hookshot?
Bends it up, straight in, with Loll backing him up and the damage from Yattaro,
they're trying to deal with Tylon, but the AoE damage from the Primal Beast!
Oh, the heart just destroys them!
Who harrassed the heroic coming hot as well!
Panto's in trouble, the little clockwork will finally fall!
A thought in their side is taken out.
Team Spirit brought in Calac to try and battle back,
but Yuma with a shot in Thailand with a continuation,
will bring the panga to his knees, a double kill for Yuma.
Man, this primal beast is having some fantastic teamfights
on the back of the ravage in mid,
and now up top here, just absolutely turning everything around.
Beautiful ulti this time.
been struggling to get a few of those pulverizers going with all the different disables
but he found his moment, turned that around really hard
and now with blink dagger and ogre club he's getting closer to the BKB once he has that
he'll have freedom to actually choose his target quite easily
it will be still hook shot but that's easy to play around at least
and he didn't find a freebie in the mid lane like bro he'll take that as well dominating now
that tie line can definitely feel it that frustration that built up in and he's turned
that into aggression. Yeah, yeah, now the map looks like opportunity for him. He's just looking
where can I go next? What can I do to extend this lead even more? Can't get the region
ruin as Panto realizes this is a dangerous territory.
It's in spirit now on the back foot. Losing those tier one objectives already means that
mid through top area of the map, northern jungles kind of dangerous and the pivot
from her out here is in fact to move towards the ancients on the right. Tie along
with a damage break through to Kiro.
TPing in, Pango says actually no, never mind, cancel it out.
That leaves Panther exposed, but a hookshot to safety
gets him under tier two.
While Tylong, Link ready again,
was maybe thinking about another go,
but Team Spirit have held back and stayed defensive.
It was considering it.
Instead it's just going to be going back,
clearing some of these stacks, steel weight form.
The bottom tier one tower is hanging loose now as well.
Even though it's full HP still,
it's definitely looking like heroic
are more ready to fights, having Ravage as well available now.
That BKB time is very scary, the primal we've already pointed out, Windranger's gonna be
coming up shortly as well.
Yeah.
And we're looking at this Tidehunter with the Blade Mail and the Pipe, so going for
this reverse damage against Luna, Clock, like it's so much spill damage from Spirit, right,
to return it back on them, and then the defensive pipe for the rest of the team.
You basically have to.
If you play against like Chikiro and Puck, already there is like, stop, we need a
pipe, you know, it's just going to stop the Puck from getting any kills, you
You and I have been casting a few games where Puck played into a pipe and just couldn't really finish people off.
Here at Puck you see a pipe and you're like, oh, I need Parasma. How many peas in this game?
Well, the Rapperambo, the Destruction, and the Hex.
Heroic, a little tentative with this, knowing that Spirit are ready to fight back, but Tylong is found in opening.
Cancels out the rolling thunder, looking at collapse who will still get the LDL, rolled over the Shattersharman.
but not to fight the spirit really want to continue. Now whispers here with the
ravages. Beat beat bye bye from collapse. Yeah completely okay for them.
Hangar using his ulti, the macro pyro spent as well. This may be an opportunity
to go into the roche pit even if they wanted to. I guess they don't have
focus fire and wind ranger. It's down bottom. So probably just gonna keep farming
for now. Not having an ursa or anything. It's not super easy to
I guess when you see some Victor crumb ass looking tight after running into a lane, you're
like, I don't want to deal with this.
Terms, Strang students, not in my game.
He's getting pretty damn strong, this big shark.
The Atro has been quietly farming though.
That's always the threat on Team Spirit.
Mask of Mantis, Mantis-style, and we see all of the items queued up.
We love that as casters Agademns BKB. I
Think the Agademns is still very nice on on Luna in general just being able to have that range
being able to use
Use it to back up the puck if he gets a nice jump you can follow up with some damage into a coil or a clock
Exactly. Yeah, because he has heroes who can get in there even Pangolier will obviously be diving people
That acts like so good with the circle spells
Also makes this facet better. That's one argument you could make. If you play the other facet
you have less reason to want the Aghanim Scepter, but this facet you get stronger for every
Lucent beam that lands and that does count the Eclipse beams.
Backed up by Panto currently, just holding hands with his carry.
A little bit of breathing room for Team Spirit.
This is heroic. Take their foot off the accelerator for a moment.
This time around, very different from Game 1 and 2. There is no Ursa, there's no fast Roche, there's no swing towards early Tourmentage.
All collapse and Rue, but it's old Trashier here from Teal the Core and Whisperer up towards top.
Tylong has Rue all locked up and the shackles there. Find the pango.
Easy picking for heroic.
Now they get both of them beautifully done. Tylong easily finishes off the Jukiro.
Tylen has been playing really nicely on this Primal Beast by the way.
The way he uses Onslaught, he waits a lot and then sees when Jakiro starts casting his spell,
he will just interrupt that with a quick Onslaught.
Same with the Pango. Pango tried to roll several times and no one says no.
Now he looks very comfortable in the hero for sure. I mean obviously he's Platinum tier,
but I've seen a lot of players on Primal who just don't really play to the same extent that I'm seeing here.
Clearing out that bottom wave and close vicinity to the plug.
Nothing doing
5k lead already emerging for heroic closing in on tomb time
Might even want to make a play before then we seem to hide under hovering going in and checking Roche over and over
Can we Roche with serpent wards? I think he's calling over the wind ranger
Yeah, definitely they have the tools to take it
That's a matter of if they want to do it now because even shadow demon is insanely good at it
My time I was just going for solo kills how many times has he killed that poor jikiro now?
I feel like every yeah, almost every single death has to be to him
How many deaths did you cure? Oh, yeah, five now. So he's a five. They might be five might be
Well, that's the serpent wards like you said the call made by whisper to go for Roche
Rocket flare flies urban sees what's going on, but this seems like a
Panto looking for a Panto move. Oh easy tried with the Phoenix previously
Cooldown on the rocket flare five seconds. He blinds it
Misses it misses everything. That's just the timing
They didn't really pull rose back
We get away safely at least but that is gonna be Yuma now with the ages
Very nicely done getting it right before the Torment spawn
Do we go straight to our mentor here? Or is it how we got to deal with lanes first or I?
I think they're just gonna go straight for it take the tourm and then they start playing towards some more of their stacks or go for the tier 2 towers
Lot of opportunities. They have triple stacks over an ancient so you definitely don't want to lose that
Shadow demon is very good at that job, isn't it?
Interestingly, Marl decided to go for shard before the blink dagger in this game as well
So I was looking to puck like holy is he that shot down?
But yeah, he's still 800 gold away from having his blink dagger
But that's because he went for the shards getting a little bit extra farm speed, I guess
I think we're magic damage into tide
Yeah, I mean it's more DPS for sure, but
Expenditure which we don't often see and most of the time is blinkers
Tylung low on resources
No mana for spells disruption onto Rue. They're trying to finish off Jikiro, but a three-man ice path
Cogs flying over seems spirits still have no response
And slowly it's going to be the Shadow of the Even illusions that get the last hit.
And again, every single fight we see is just heroic winning.
Obviously we have Yattler somewhere in the wilds farming.
He just finished up an Agnem Scepter, might consider going to drop that somewhere.
Riding on Fenrir.
And he's got the Great Wolf.
Demonic Dog.
Wild Beast.
Yatra always has the nice cosmetics man.
I guess what happens when you become a back-to-back TA winner?
Yeah, very often he's got that little pumpkin effect, I can't remember what it's called.
Oh yeah, the underground effect, the emblem?
Yeah. Yeah, those are just, yeah, don't don't don't, we'll go the price.
A little bit expensive.
A little bit expensive. He definitely wants to join though, like I said, the Aghanem Scepter.
He's wrapping down towards Tide, a hero that can't get away so easily.
Trans-Pipe, Blade Mail, and one of those big old lotuses, though.
Shadow-Hogged the Pipe, could disrupt him, maybe.
And I'm committing fully.
That's what I could.
I'm not dropping the ulti.
Oh? KJ? TICE?
The Lunar puts down a low orbit iron cannon right on his head.
Sneaky, sneaky, atero.
When we thought they was completely...
away from the idea of killing anything, you'd be in our thick lips.
Chikiro again being sniped out by Yuma and Heroic chasing forward they know
spells have been spent the dive is on Thailand finds an opening on to Yatarou
Polvarize with a BKB trample going needs backup for more damage it's coming
quickly he launches the rocks Yatarou's in trouble Shackleshot comes but
doesn't last in the back a buyback from Rue now as Heroic has spent two BKBs
and only found a clockwork so far now goes Yatarou TP's home good attempt
by you with the Tron and by the Shackles from lineup and in the end it's going to be a dieback on Rude.
The Stomp cancels the Shackle but it's not going to matter. Too many heroes here for Heroic. At
least they got the carry to safety but diebacking on Gikiro he's not going to have any item
progression at all this game. If you look over to the net worth on the supports you can really
tell the Rasta is so far ahead of course getting the shard from the Tormentor helped but
but he also has almost glimmer and blink.
Like this is significant farm for him.
He's got the majority of that in the last five minutes as well.
Like, cause he's 2-0 and 12 on Rasta.
He's involved in 14 out of the 18 kills they've made.
Props to Deolikor and his rotations this game.
Okay, Jay.
I'm just gonna pop out some illusions.
Sadly, if time's out when you disrupt,
he's still getting, you don't get any illusions.
Nope. Nothing for you.
Nothing at all. Nothing at all.
Westpick in the front line. Tylong yet again.
Blurting in the shadow of the tree line.
Team Spirit opting to not come and defend.
We have Tylong moving towards the puck. He could maybe kill him actually.
I think he got spotted by the illusorob just barely.
He's still hunting.
Yeah, if you got vision on him, HP is low enough that you could maybe have straight combo'd him.
Yatro has been able to push out that top lane entirely.
But there's an observable there, back in the jungle, and a long line drawn by Yuma already pre-empting that move by Yatro to go back and farm.
A scan from the dire though, that's going to give the signal for Yatro to TP home.
Off he goes.
That's Yathura's gank while Poil, Leashing, Tylong, he's all alone.
Ask-a-pop BKB, Lincoln's on collapse I think, stops the Pulverize from coming through.
A downspirit brings the gank for the gates.
Everyone arriving, but you're right, it's gates time.
Ah, the Eclipse, the Long Range Damage blasts through Tylong and KJ.
They couldn't save the final base, and now Team Spirit, a fight for them to continue.
Teal the 4 gates left, and a rabbit from Whisper onto Yathura with Yuma's damage, that's good enough.
Collapsed! Another link is to break free of the Shackle Shot trying to deal with Whisper, but they've got no damage left!
Larl and Collapsed cannot fight this one!
Yuma's too strong as Thiel the Cool will get the Shackles on the pango!
Whisper on the Makarapai Icepath!
The Shakira brings the damage!
Collapsed stays alive!
And Yuma with Whisper in trouble!
Larl jumps over the corkstrap!
I mean, Whisper's dying!
A five-man white team spirit somehow do it!
The kite thing, finally they bring them down nicely held there by Team Spiritwood, looked like it could be a disaster.
In the end, they got two quick kills on the gate, and that's the dangerous part about going for those gate moves.
One by one, you trickle in and the Luna ulti just ate two of them immediately, and from there on, they fought valiantly.
It was a nice windranger ulti to bring down the Luna, but one problem we win is that after ulti, she doesn't really have that much DPS.
Couldn't bring down the pango and the rest of the team.
You can see it, how they immediately lose two heroes.
Yeah, KJ couldn't disrupt Primal.
Yeah? And quickly going over onto the Luna.
The other course thing, Alive was impressive though, using the Shard, a healing Lotus kept him alive for quite a while here.
But yeah, the fight was just a little bit too disjointed.
And collapsed with his Lincoln Sphere. Diffusal, blink, Lincoln's blocking a lot of these spells which otherwise could have caught him and killed him much earlier on.
I think it's the best choice for sure, itemization wise going for Alinkans here, against Windranger, Rasta, even against the Pulverize from Primal.
Very smart.
So that takes a lot of the confidence away from Heroic. They had been owning every single fight.
Apart from the early landing stage where Clockwork was putting in work, it was just a heroic show.
They were going for every single move, and now finally Team Spirit in traditional Team Spirit fashion start turning the game around.
find that one move to level the playing field, bounce the game out again, one key lead now
for Team Spirit. 19 to 11. Collapse, Blinkens popped. It makes the jump away. Difficult man
to catch with the Blink and the Blinkens spear. Rasta can maybe get him, but obviously
needs to eat the shock first. It led with a hex, not gonna work.
Top lane push, slowly getting onto that tier two. Shakira's gonna speed up a bit
with some fire and ice. This is where Team Spirit really just claw their way
back on the map, always pushing themselves out. We were talking a
little bit in the green room and I was telling you I feel like Team Spirit
They're so good at even when they're behind just getting out on the field
It can be so hard anyone who played a game of Dota where you're really far behind
Knows how difficult it can be to get on the map team spirit are relentless at just getting out there
They find these little nooks and crannies and pockets to farm in to cut away or hide out here
Very strong read on the game in the map state as currently we're looking at the Roshan spawning in 30 seconds
Both teams vying for control over that.
Power Spawn, a Whisper and Tylone
Jump in, Rammage, Impalibrize, the Lunar
Who got the BKB off, and Hookshot cancels
Tylone's initiation.
Ruham, a trap inside the Serpent Wall
Pantheon finished off by the Focus Fire
Eclipse comes in, the magic damage!
Burst through Windranger. Whisper trying to front this one
But he's got no backup left
Shadow Demon's bought back
What's the buyback I think?
Seems weird, I'm happy to just disengage from this
Got the kill on the carry
carry, killing off the SD and forcing his spy back. Luna's like, okay, I'm back to farming.
He does have the cooldown talent now as well.
Those ultis are going to be very, very nasty. Continuous.
Even if everyone's kind of said, okay, Roshan's off the menu for a little bit, let's just chill.
The fact that he even took the Whisper of Dread as well is, you know, telling you how much he
values this long-range burst you can see if wind ranger oversteps like that would be to be on cooldown
she's just gone
is luna still one of those heroes that naturally has more more vision uh yeah she goes day and night
yeah she's she's got the night vision still a whisper very tanky here day she has normal
the night time is just a lunar blessing thing.
There's eclipse.
There's eclipse.
That's just a one minute cooldown.
It takes a minute for him to respawn basically, so
pop your eclipses.
A killer minute for lunar incoming then.
And with whisper debt for 40 seconds
Team Spirit could find themselves
in the Roche pit and taking it
because it's going to swap position
in 15 seconds.
Yeah, I think that's what Yattler is trying to prepare for.
He wants to try and crack that bottom tower eventually.
Stealing what damage he can, smoking down towards him, but he's already heading top.
Jethro is enabling his 6th sense, dodging the ganks.
Right as they were expecting to go to the ancient, go to Roche, go somewhere.
I see him going Shadowblade. Obviously there's a tide on the enemy team, so getting Silverage is going to be really good here.
Lawlpuk. Already all dead. Already got stunned and caught. Nice. Disabled there to break through.
All defensive. Hurtization and Panto has come across to try and save his buddy.
TPing home, stuns, a shackle shot is there. No way out, unfortunately. Becomes a bonus kill,
but it was a nice valiant attempt to try and save his puck. Puck, even though he has a Lincoln
not going to be able to stay alive.
And in a situation where I kind of thought Team Spirit would be the ones going into Roche,
it's heroic who gets two big kills,
pop into the pit with a Serpent Ward,
and should be able to get themselves the Aegis.
It's a pretty fast Roche as well, with a Shadow Demon as well,
using the illusions, amplifying the damage from everything.
Menace.
Menace plus 22% damage.
I'm not giving up any ground either, pushing through bottom of the tide,
Immediately TPing to that top tier 2 to clear out the wave the Yathrow is pushed.
You always got to keep your wits about you though. You come back as an individual or two heroes that Eclipse could find you.
Exactly. I think the Agadamceptor build next on Windranger is really smart.
This guy helped him a lot against the random Eclipse as well.
Unless there's someone there who can use a dust on him, you can't get long range sniped.
That was close for J'Kyro.
Calculated.
And Rue is completely fine.
No one kills Rue ten times in a row!
And Rue has his first major item of the game!
Other than mana boots, he now has Aghanim Scepter.
Ooh! Nice to get something at least.
Also got the Aghanim Shard, so fully blessed by Aghanim.
Very nice.
Refresher orb for Tylong as well.
And even though Team Spirit have the 6k lead, it's felt like the flow of the game.
Like you said after letting stage was all heroic
Tylung in particular the driving force behind that
He's been playing really well. He definitely has been we I mean both panel and we talked about how hard of a game
It can be for primal beast until he gets BKB
But he navigated that super well once he got the BKB
He's making place as well all over the place and they've shown that you know Yattrow even though
He's got 22k net worth and he's got all these teammates behind him if they can get on top of the Luna cap closed this
Do we need to be squishy here or do we need to boost her down?
Smoke into smoke.
Distant parts on the map for now.
As Team Spirit decide to smoke towards the top part of the map.
Not sure they're gonna have time to connect as the Radiant smoke is soon to run out.
WinRadiant is showing herself down bottom, but with Aegis in hand, she's not the target that Team Spirit wants.
Both teams playing towards favorable terrain.
Diagres, the radiant ancients, they're looking at tier 2s, cutting waves, the pressure, into objectives.
We're probably going to show some anti-illusions from Luna, pushing at the top lane,
so if Radiant didn't know what's up already, they definitely will now, by the time Yattler's illusions reveal themselves.
And mid-wave gets cut by Larl as well on his puck.
That's the thing, right, Spirit are playing two lanes plus Jungle.
Heroic with his Aegis all very tight together, so losing out somewhat in efficiency game.
It's not efficient, but they're heading towards an objective, this Tier 2 tower.
They open on it, focus fire, cross the wards, quickly going to take the tower down.
Play the size of move.
That's the final outer objective that they can take.
Now they can start taking over the enemy triangle, but their own triangle is being used.
What's Yachter up to?
He's going through the gate. I think they saw him.
They saw him go through the gate with the ward in his entry.
Ooh, this could be scary for him.
Well, now he's shown on the wave as well.
Hey, he's got TP out surely.
TP, TP.
Or SilverHunch and trying to run.
In comes Tylong.
Oh, accident there.
Canceled his own charge, that could have been...
Could have been him reaching with the Gem in hand.
Unfortunate there, he misclicked the onslaughts.
Everyone watching, gritting their teeth,
clenching their butt cheeks as Yattrow nearly got caught.
Rare mistake from Tylong and his Primal Beasts.
Now Windranger is the one farming under an observer ward, but of course still ages in hand
And my spot in this game though
It feels like both teams getting into the groove starting to feel comfortable
No one's really been behind no one feels like they're down and out both when both teams support the blind smoke to make moves
You know that they're both looking for that little angle to try and tip the scales
Yeah, yeah, we definitely have a lot of big fights ahead of us here
I feel at least there's something brewing both teams so ready with all these power spikes wisdom runes gasp on
Radiant or too late to force a fight on that objective
Nice fat bags on that win Ranger
Okay one minute now just under a minute on the ages doesn't look like this can be able to do anything more with it
Let's just speed it up now
I feel like we're looking for BKB of his own on that Shadow Shaman to try and deal with
the Eclipse.
And of course, keep the shackles going for as long as you can against all these, I mean,
save holes.
If he gets the BKB, it's going to be frustrating, because for now they've been using the
Clockwork Hookshot to prevent the pulverize, but a BKB Rasta grabbing someone, the only
thing that can stop it right now is either killing him or Clockwork Hooking, and
that's going to be rough.
The pango did not go for a bachelor build, he went for nullifier which I think makes a
lot of sense to fantastic nullifier game because win ranger... does mean he can't bash though.
Collapse.
The entire sentry sees humor coming.
It's also an atolinkan sphere so I'm likely to die.
That was always going to be just fine.
That's a big rune though.
Amplify damage on Loll Park.
bottle that up, keep it for later.
Luminai is also getting close to a Lincoln Sphere of her own
that will be the third Lincoln Sphere on this team.
Obviously a lot of single target abilities are heroic
so they're gonna struggle quite a bit
going through triple Lincoln's.
It'll be hard to coordinate your teamfights.
Primebeast does not have a Lincoln's break
of his own other than the ulti
so someone will have to set up for him.
It's one of those cases where, like, Tide not having agonies is going to be good for them,
because he can lincoln's break with gush, which is a pretty low impact spell otherwise.
So you can definitely use that just to trigger lincoln's.
I need a team wanting to give up their run so far in Valakia.
Mass TP bottom sub-hunt door.
Gonna try and punish him immediately. Hasn't got a shot available.
Off he goes back to what is hot shack up flies in onto the creeps, but it looks like her right gonna die too deep
I'm bit too far chasing after a talk work is also
Perhaps just over extending into Luna waiting for you
Not worth it at all and that DD rune on puck, of course. Not sure they know about it
I don't know if he has shown himself on the lane really this guy show himself now at least
Still a minute and a half until Rochan fast-forward
both teams just vying for control over any area of the map that they can, smoking into
each other relentlessly, and they're so on the same page, both the teams wanting the
same thing. It's going to be a little dance here, it seems, this heroic, go up and around,
similarly Team Spirit are wondering where the hell did they go? Spirit shuffling and
edging towards the staircase, might just get their smoke broken on Tylen and collapse.
Break vision roll in on to this final be saved by KJ though buys time for potentially BKB in a runaway
Time long gets the high ground for the damage is done
Lolls now in on to the back lines KJ feel in some trouble
Room is gonna start things off with the move to the high ground
But the certain water there to block it inside the appeal of corn being blasted by Yatsuro though
The Luna opens up the ice pass stops whisker from dealing with the left-hand side while the win raker has to be
He's giving TP home. So Tide is left all alone, all heroic again. It's the logic hero.
Loose 4 in the trade.
I'm going to be a bit harsh here because usually I do praise Whisper a lot but I think he wasn't
even standing close enough to give the passive magic resistance from the pipe and he definitely
didn't even use the pipe on his friend who was dying, you know, the primal beast getting
nuked from orbit and not even using the pipe may help your friend out.
He was so close to living!
Ah, did he get a ravage either?
No.
No, nothing there.
You can see, maybe he wasn't ranged for the passive, but at least he did not seem to have
any intention of saving.
He's standing fairly far back.
Very well done by Spirit, allowed to find that angle.
Like a pipe, man.
A little pipe.
High ground, back in live, we have Luna.
Up on the high ground, if that tier 3 tower falls, then the Barracks are almost
always impossible to defend.
But with the respawns coming up, Team Spirit are in no stress.
Another indication for hero, they can't really have Tylung leading out like that.
That's very difficult for him. I think it has to be tied under first, but it's hard. Both of them have refresher, so both of them feel like, oh, we're going to land our big disables.
It looks like Primal has to see a target first.
Yeah, the issue is they don't have a Panto. They don't have a clock or a perk.
Yeah, they don't have a hero who can just go in, provide some vision easily and not really mean much if they die.
Like, Panto can easily just go first, or like you mentioned, park hopping in.
There's a story being spun, right? These two supports on the right hand side play from fog, play from these hidden areas, don't want to be frontline.
Yeah, that's the downside with having similar heroes on the POS5 and POS4 playing from the range.
See another move here the smokes have been relentless from two spirits
Heroic do you have this a little bit of vision up in the dire ancients though?
So they've seen spirit maneuver into position, but they mean the refresher on pango to same for two spirit to have the observer ward
Hasn't been spotted yet
another
Standoff across the river
So there's law making that move the vision giving scouting things out
I know roic also steel just sitting in the Roche pit waiting. It's a very aggressive position pretending to be Roche
He's big enough
certainly is
Getting comfortable in his seat there with his leg up
Waiting for anyone who happens to sneak in it might be a rocket soon just scouting you though
Ty long a thousand years is waited
wrapped in chains to get his revenge sitting in the pit
Is Roshan the Rhinoceros guard? Who knows? You tell me.
Luna is like, you know what? I've had enough of this. I'm going somewhere else.
Yattaro is disfarming and I look towards pushing out top.
He's got the Agadam's Blessing consumed, queued up, and then Butterfly is the plan for him.
Wanting to keep the Powertraps, not swapping them for an Agi blink just yet.
Oh, long have we waited. Still no fight.
Yataro's gonna push out that top lane
Giving map space here to team spirit. So the advantage of the waves thanks to parking Luna show things out on all three sides
Trying to force someone to come back and flinch
Do they have yet no smoke they do shadow demon has a smoke ready to try and do the wraparound move
Yataro is just monumental on this Luna 31 sounds a net worth
Agnam's blessing. He's probably gonna buy it when he has enough money for buyback.
Hex used to kill off the illusions as they walk in and try and scout.
There's another illusion, just fighting his entry ward. He won the battle.
Good job.
Oh, a blink on Luna!
Ah, it is the Swift Blink then.
He gets the entire thing now. Never mind those power treads.
So let me commit the smoke, heroic, I try and go around to the right side it seems.
I thought he was going to save for Bioback.
We do have a smoke on Clockwork again and again for the fourth time or something in
this game both teams smoking at the same exact moment.
And very few calls with Bioback, we've got a couple of supports with it, Puck has
it, but the remainder of them lacking.
Tylong is revealing his smoke breaking
He sees them collapse immediate roll up trying to get to the high ground and Tylong has already blinked away
Okay, he has to fresher and pangle though
Alala's in, sees the shadow demon, forces some spells out, collapse breaks onto this final beat
Clips onto the top of Tylong, blowing him up and dropping him low, refreshes in BKBs though to get some distance now
Primal is free but low on HP is collapsed, gets into the midst of the fight and Yathrow with a BKB
Gleed them down! The AoE damage! A triple kill for Lunar!
Oh, the hookshot there as well! Pato finds a bonus!
Team Spirit in the driving seat now! Four in a row! Handling heroic!
They don't have a single core buyback. I think this just might be game immediately.
After he senses blood in the water, he's just going to go in for it as well.
Beautiful blink in from him. That swift blink with all the damage from his ulti.
He had 500 damage per hit as he blinks forward and just absolutely shredded people.
Made them six times!
And we all know what happens when Luna kills a tier 3 tower, the bounces begin.
86% now, so it's not a blast as they die past the tier 4s onto the Shadow Shaman top.
Slicing straight through the poor Theo the Core Rasta.
And Team Spirit looking for another lane of Barracks.
I mean, they're nowhere close to having buyback on the Windranger, Tide or even the Primal Beast.
None of them are going to respawn here.
By the time they're back, the game is going to be over.
Do you remember they realized?
Like, I can reach through there?
How do you spirit go forward?
They're making them go through the motions, but...
Knock, knock!
I think it's over.
Who's there?
Absolutely nobody!
Shadow Shaman, Tidehunter can maybe come out and do something,
but your tier 4s are under assault.
The foundations have been shaken in your base,
their thrones about to be exposed!
Okay, Primal Beast is gonna respawn.
Rasta behind, it's with the play back.
But the eclipse into the fountain, damage will hold them back, collapse of the rolling thunder.
Team Spirits though, respecting the return, are going to retreat.
Yeah, gonna back up with a casual 37,000 net worth lead, taking out the entire enemy base.
Even getting rid of those pesky tier 4 towers.
They died with a full base, they respawned into a naked base with nothing there.
There's, I guess, one little building there.
One building? Should have been an effigy, but someone doesn't have it loaded in.
Yep, that's what you get.
You used to have towers?
No, it's this.
We have towers at home, Gareth.
And this is of course going to be another wave of items coming out.
Just more and more stuff.
Agatom Scepter on the clockwork.
So we're entering full luxury territory.
Refresher on the puck with the Agatom Scepter of course
and level 25 for that pierce talent as well.
is ready for the next fight. And we're a long way away from that poor Jikir. Okay, we're
done here, Gareth. It's 100%. I mean, Tide is dead. Ask by back, but that's a 100%
dose of probability. There's not even 1% there. Well, Magikreibs sure have one hell
I mean, if you don't have a base, hard to win.
Keep fighting though, heroic.
Just the problem, Beast. He's the only one who can really clear these creeps.
That's Roshan for Team Spirit.
Shiny golden bar of heroes for Team Spirit.
Looking for every power spike they can get right now to try and fight back.
Yuma just about hit level 25, so he gets that advanced talent at least.
He might go for the... can't be dispelled, but no, he needs the DPS.
He needs his ulti non-stop. Just against a null fire could have been nice to have, but no such luxury.
Here comes the advance. The ulti is available for Luna.
There's no glint. Not much left to give. Rolling thunder, rocket players, the assault begins.
Raining in artillery fire to deal with Tyla. Lol moves forward and blows him up.
Yuma does kill Rune in the back, but Yattaro now can open up on the Windranger, bouncing
Glaze straight to the wards.
Yuma, Tylong, Asvall back to get on top of Yattaro, but struggling to deal with him.
The damage is good though from Tylong.
Collapses down as Yuma stands his ground.
Teal the core.
Oh, can't deal with L'Oil.
The pot dodges away from the Ravager Whisper.
Only clips on the Lunar from the right-hand side, and another clip bounces back in.
Panto surviving, and Yattaro moves towards the throne.
They're gonna go in, get past the Serpent Wars and onto the Windranger one more time.
Yuma, trying to wind around and escape away to kill Pacta on the way out, but Gigi is
called as they tap out of Game 3.
They fought hard, they did everything they could, but there are 100% to win.
Not a possible threat, Team Spirits, what a team, they're so tenacious man, they
just won't lose.
It's impossible to come back against them.
Incredible stuff from Team Spirit.
went off Luna and pango as well. Yeah, I mean the heroes interesting still but
yeah heroic obviously very similar story get out into that early lead
looking good not able to finish their dinner and spirits if you give them half
a chance half of the time they'll take it every time. Yeah I just think like I
mean first of all I like that they're taking you know the heroes like they
have the creativity to know you know reach for the pango reach for the
Luna but at the same time I think heroic I'm still pretty impressed I think with
like Tai Lung in particular I think oh being able to have this performance on
Primal Beast was pretty impressive I think we will get into some of the nuances
later when you know T governor mr. Clapperman will take over but overall I
think Spirit it's just really cool to see that they have this creativity and
I think in the mid game like how they move stuff because even so I don't
think they're as clean as they want to be but they do always find these
moments especially like I would say the mid game right now is to me where
they really strike it's like where they get to sleep and then they take it from
there. Any time you look at like a certain group of like organizations in
Dota you can see in a best of three that they're able to make the adjustments make
these like little moves like Spirit compare them from game one to game three
even series before yesterday like this game three is just a respectable heroic
does you know like how to win this game is like heroic they play on this
like pick-off this like nuisance this craziness and if we build just a
full foundation of just help each other out don't allow them to kill us
off, you're always going to have a moment of being able to out-fight them.
And unfortunately for Heroic, as much as Thailand was doing well, Yuma had some moments, like
Whisper was kind of shot out, this game collapsed as well.
On a hero that was unpicked in the tournament so far, only had what two games played in the
previous tournament.
I think unpicked in the tournament before maybe only one game, it's like, there is
a rare case that it can work.
And here he was doing a lot like defusal blade into these heroes.
Like, they had to carry what you were showing, they were carrying it, lotuses
around for refreshers and stuff.
They were having to do like extra things just because of some random like dead panglia here
And we could talk about the support some more as well obviously hugely influential
In this game. I mean the thing is like the supports because I want to know also the greedy enchantments. This shit is OP
Yes, you go. Be careful now. It's really
Balanced and shouldn't be removed right as a support enthusiast and the support is very good
If I'm Team Spirit, if I'm Ida Rua Panto, and I see this pop up, you know the greedy enchantment, you get the gold, I'm Jokiro, I get my eggs, you know.
It's easy time, it's chillin' whereas if you are heroic, you know, you don't get this minus win rate right there.
You've got to clap it up, it's important, the greedy enchantment, it is what you need, brothers.
I am just really scared for the day that greedy gets removed from the game.
Why?
Well, why?
Because it probably will, it's too good.
Okay, the map's really big, the cores get to farm everything.
everything, right? You make some stats, you get some pennies on the dollar, you know?
And then I'm here, praying for a greedy enchantment. Oh, thank you, Gaben. You know, if I don't
get it, enemy supports have it.
Let's be real. Like, I say this as a support player as well. Like, we've got it. We've
still got an amazing...
You know, we are in a great era of Dota 2b, as a support.
You know, forged in the fires of a 60-minute game and you finish it with maybe brown
boots and a stick.
People have won.
That's DVD days.
Yes, you know what I mean.
One TI person just living armor. You get at least four items these days like which is wild
I know it is conceptually crazy, but yeah, I think greedy as an enchantment as a concept is
It's just one bad day at the at the office away from just getting removed and you know who's not getting removed this guy
This guy in the playoffs in the middle boss
In there it is the PGL audio guys favorite player collapse. This is plenty of room for us three
I'm making space, brother is a gigachat, he needs the space on it.
See you always think that sofa is big until it's 3 people.
So congratulations on the win.
Thank you.
You get the make-up there.
I just wanted to say, first of all, how good does it feel to have Laul back on the team
and how much of a difference has that made to the way Spirit have been playing?
I think Laro is probably more a sacrificial player for us, and I think we need it.
Because me, Yatro, we just wanted a bit of farm after a waiting stage, so Laro is just a clown.
Yeah, everything means a clown who goes first 15 minutes and just styling on enemies, doing some job, something like other poise farming.
So it's good for us.
I think maybe LARO is just a better player, Meryl is also a good player, but he's kind of a newbie in the other prasim.
We've said that LAL maybe doesn't get the respect he deserves as a player.
What are his best qualities in your opinion? What do you think makes LAL special?
I mean, he's the guy who's like, don't give a shit if you kill him one time, two times, three times.
We saw that.
Yeah, he has like, sportsmanship anger, I would say like that, because it's like, he just wants to hit revenge.
If you like kill him one time, he will get revenge.
And you can't really stop him, so also it's like mental stable player.
Which definitely helped, in Dota especially.
Alright, MrKlaps, game one. You guys decided to not put your beast on your torque,
can you tell me why and do you think that was correct or not?
I mean, we knew that they were going to play Viper Mint and we decided to put it mid
because it's like a good matchup for beast I think.
I didn't look like it.
Yeah, I'm not a pro business player, so I can't say really.
Yeah.
But I mean, Jack, Jakiro just, no.
He subbed, he did, yeah.
Yeah, subbed a bit in early game.
Yeah, that's fine.
OK, so it's not Lara fault that subbed him.
I mean, no, no, no.
Maybe he did.
I don't really know what happened to me because I only saw two deaths in a row by my Beastmaster and he's like...
Oh, God.
You can watch that later in the video.
Yeah, I will.
I have one more question.
So how do you rate your team overall right now?
I think the Dream League and the Blast for you guys obviously didn't work out the same, but it wasn't the same roster and whatnot.
Now you have Laurel back, you have Milan as a trial coach.
Out of 10, where would you rank your guys' strength right now?
I would rank us like on the 7 or 8. I would say maybe 7 is more like
On Dreamleak and Bust like you said we didn't
like
Play good because we were on like testing period for us
New I mean no coach. Yatoro is rafting
And Osmirelle, so it's like this period for us
Okay, so to go from seven or eight to eight to nine or nine to ten
What's like the if you have to choose one thing to improve? What is it?
One thing to improve. That's one thing your Torah gameplay our gameplay sub diff drafting
I think communication and our
Speed gameplay, okay speed gameplay. Yeah, I see what you got
So spirit used to be at the top, you know winning everything
now you're not winning everything is it fun yeah now now being honest yeah we
suck but for the community we wish you didn't suck right is it fun like
actually going through the rebuilding process like relearning Dota as a team
like with the same guys like is that like actually like a fun experience or
is it right now actually kind of hard on the team do you feel like it's not as
enjoyable having to re go through you know not making it to grand finals um
To be honest, when I'm not winning the tournaments and I'm playing non-stop, I just don't want to leave, to be honest.
Because it sucks, for sure.
And I told Swax, I wish I had one superpower just to win every tournament.
It's a good power, pretty good power.
It means superpower.
I guess to rephrase it then, is it at least enjoyable when you're trying to chase the trophies, the top game?
Is it like fun to at least think of new concepts that maybe you wouldn't have thought about
whilst you're at the top? Are you kind of like experimenting more than before potentially?
Like are you going through like a bit more of an experimental period for spirit?
Maybe not really, we're just... I know when we are like in the prime form there's always the
same things that like show up like close to the end of the tournament because usually
In this situation we are playing in Grand Finals and I think it's just the same but you know sometimes it just gets boring when you get the second place as time after time and you just want to win.
No farm, nothing, you just want to win.
Last question, Pangela, what's happening here? Good, bad hero, you played it, it's pretty good.
You just played it now, you know about it.
Green League, two people played it, no one else played it, before one person played it,
are we going to see more Pangolier or is it like you're scraping the barrel for this?
Kind of, as a hero, because even in this game we picked it in the Primal Beast, I think it's like,
I mean the reaction probably was like are they like dumps the idiots in the world?
You pick pango in Primal, what do you expect?
I mean I just wanted, I mean no one asked me, coach asked me like what do you see, I was thinking about Svader but I'm just, I was tired from the first game I just want to play Pangolier.
So I just had a vision of the gameplay, what I'm going to do, even if we don't get stomped.
I see my gameplay and I think I can do enough impact on the game.
Well the good news is you didn't get stomped and you're in the playoffs.
Almost.
You're back.
Almost.
See the positive.
See the positive.
It's still not.
But it was great to see you guys play so well. Two great comebacks. You're in the playoffs.
We're all hyped to see you play some more. So thanks so much for joining us on the sofa.
You can creep away. We're going to put some graphic up so you can get out of here.
Good job, boss.
Yeah, man. Thanks for the interview, brother. Look after yourself.
Thank you, yes.
All right, a legend.
Yeah, just go, go on.
Just run away. It's fine.
Yeah, that'll be good.
See you.
You are free, unlike us.
No mistakes can be done here, brother. Find it any way out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, escape. Escape when you can.
It's just gonna keep the microphone and start muttering in the whole day.
We sleep here.
We'll be here.
So anyway, why don't we take a look at the Swiss brackets.
Let's do that, Richard.
That still exists.
Yes, it is.
There it is.
We are in the later stages.
You can see.
What am I looking at here?
We're looking at Nemesis and Mouse got eliminated.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Don't just gloss over that.
Mouse, where are our reigning champions as crazy as that is to believe?
Yeah, they got to their head. They did have kory so it's a bit different. They did a bit different lineup
But yes, they're out our reigning champions
So, you know, it's probably one of the values team liquid win again or something. I feel like at least for
I mean, yes mouse reigning champs not winning it. Yeah, that's all good for them. I'm looking towards nemesis. I think there's a lot of
Expectation maybe from them coming from sea especially like og's created this limelight for the region then nemesis appears
And with no real disrespect to Yellow Submarine, you'd think the experience of Nemesis would allow them to at least get a game of them
And then we see Yellow Submarine get eliminated
Like they are, you know, the academy team of spirit technically
You know, they are the the players that never make it for Eastern Europe qualifiers because there's BB or Rora, you know
Yandex, Spira, all these teams, right? So for them to get here, I was expecting it to be, you know what, 0-3
Thanks for playing, but great experience in the future. They're eliminating Nemesis. That's gonna be a rough one
Dude, it might be like a 23 Savage PTSD. So he went 0-3, he lost to Yellow Submarine.
When we were on OG, we went 0-3, we got eliminated by Yellow Submarine, who weren't even like a real team.
So I think, you know, maybe there's something you never know, but I think, you know, maybe some of the other things are sticking out.
I think overall, Liquid, if I compare them to Spirit, I think overall they looked at least stronger.
I would say like, while Spirit are, you know, one of the better teams, and obviously they do go for...
I think Liquid are doing that thing they do, where they level up. They've looked better series to series.
And that always terrifies me because now they get some time off. They get to cook in the kitchen for a little bit and
Definitely gonna be right up there come the end of the tournament. It's not only that but I think liquid and spur
Any time you see three or teams that are teams that have an identity
They're not like trying to copy other people's stuff. It's like they come into the tournament
They keep copy pasting their strats and it's like try beat us. You can't try beat us
You can't and that's exactly what's happened and big shock of the day falcons obviously losing T
Andix that was kind of a crazy that is a shocker, but I will say
Yeah
Falcons have looked a little bit sus like off like I see some like individual gameplay
That's not right some team timings that isn't matching and clicking so they've got work to do
I don't know this first pick razor flecks every game is like just not working out for them
So we will have to see but anyway, why don't we take a look at the schedule?
Please do tomorrow because we're gonna have more stuff away
Thick and fast and of course to PGE L event so you have two streams
You can pick which game you like to watch working our way backwards on the secondary stream
tundra versus og
Interesting because tundra had a bit of a rough day at the office today themselves. Yeah, they've they've they've parked themselves into quite a difficult position
Thank you. I don't really know how that's gonna work out for them
But og also, you know from the highest of highs getting top six multiple times. Oh my god, oh gee to now
battling for survival scary no matter what whoever loses that one it's gonna
be gonna fool the run-ification across the bracket definitely Vici
gaming taking on team Falcons and Bet Boom team will be taking on yellow
submarine I think it's kind of interesting I did say like Vici
obviously weren't expecting to be here I think they came in for Power Rangers
and so a pleasant surprise and you know they've been getting you know
better there's you can see the components as they're kind of coming
together as the tournament progresses and they have good players like they have
TI winners on their you know on their roster going up against Falcons who like
I said they don't look that clean like anything can happen in these games
seriously and let's take a look at the primary string which is where we will of
course be holding our attentions but you showed us games that we're not even
come on Richard you know I mean listen it's gonna do his job why are you doing
your job I was making a why are you not clapping into my ear like one of those
was white. You want me to do it? You want me to? I can do it right now. No, I wouldn't.
The audio guy's really on his last wits. Anyway, heroic versus Narvi to close out. Extreme
versus Aurora. Hopefully we get a moment or two to talk about the ups and downs of
Aurora. And then obviously, Paravision that we saw earlier today taking on Team Liquid.
But they're going up against Team Yandex. That's a very different complexion game now
that Yandex is swaggering in after a 2-0 over Falcons. I mean, they must be
feeling pretty good. I still feel like parry overall should be like, you know, they should
have the upper hand in that series. But again, you know, you get to the like the later stages
of the days, people feel good, there's got momentum. We never know what's gonna happen.
You know what I'm gonna ask you guys to clap. Yes, round of applause for everyone. No, final
thoughts. Do you have any tonight? Of course not because we know that Twitch chat never
wants to go to bed. So good night. Have a splendid time. Okay, well production. It
still is on me you close the show but he has said good night now so we'll thank
you all for tuning in and of course thanks to claps for being on the show
congratulations claps spirit for being in the making it into the playoffs we're
gonna see you tomorrow slightly later in the day but make sure you tune in for
more Dota action here at PG L Valhalla. Good night. Bye. Good night.
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