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fantastic evening, fantastic afternoon, fantastic opinion, no matter where you are in the world.
I'm a son, Parker, and this is Austin. I'm broadcast over to you live from so many telephoto
law systems, like Joolah, the law, the law, and I'm hopeful the boys, girls, and MBS are having
a fantastic one because today's a beautiful day. Today's a wonderful day. Today is
a Tuesday. It's news, day, Tuesday, lads. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, boys,
girls, and MBS today is news, day, Tuesday. There's a lot of stuff going on in the
world, obviously, but this is the part of the broadcast where I will tell you about my
personal news. It is Tuesday, October 1st, the first day of October, the October surprise,
a lot of surprising things and not so surprising things happening around the world. We're going
to be talking about all of that. It's 10 55 AM. I'm actually literally 10 55 AM.
I'm early. There's a reason for why I'm early. And I think a lot of you already
We know why I'm early with that reason is, but before I get into the live news broadcast
coverage of the things that are happening in other parts of the world, Iran has officially
launched its missile attacks in retaliation to Israel.
I urge everyone to be restrained.
I urge everyone to not be openly callous and celebratory in the chat because regardless
of the cruelty and inhumanity of the Israeli government.
The reality of the matter is you can never be anywhere near as callous and in the way
that you advocate for emancipation for other peoples, one second, situation in front of
me.
Anyway, someone link them to CNN, bit about Mossad headquarters, yeah no, we'll do that.
We'll do all of that.
human shields, whatnot. All these conversations are going to be taken place and you will find
out that there is no such thing as human shields when it's Israel, because it was a completely
fraudulent concept to begin with.
In any case, ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls and enemies, we've got a lot to talk
about. I'm going to get into all of that personal news wise. Obviously, obviously
today was supposed to be a very different day. This is the part of the broadcast where
I tell you about my personal news, but what's going on in the world of Son of
in between the time period where I press the Starship of a button press the Starship of a button last night
I went to USC we didn't even get to fucking look at that
We're not gonna be able to get to look at the clips of that
But I went to University of Southern California also known as University school children
also
You know I
Did a little bit of a monologue people said I popped off on it. I'm actually kind of surprised because I was very scared
I was very nervous
I had not prepared for it at all and I think I was able to get the room going a little bit
and the talk was good overall. The professor that interviewed me was like an actual Hassanabi
Hedge might be in the chat right now, but it was it was dope. It was it was an incredible
experience. I will definitely be doing it again, 10-10. This is good. This is good for you
guys. The college Hassanabi Hedge like I might come to your campus next, you know.
So there is that. Okay, so it was a overall fantastic experience. And I greatly enjoyed it.
Literally stand up, you killed it. Yeah, I just freestyled it. I free-balled it.
Anyway, it was wonderful to see you guys. I did a meet and greet afterwards,
met some of you as well. That was a lot of fun.
and after that, I went home and immediately passed out because I was, you know, very tired, but
himbo destroys woke heckler live on college campus. I did destroy a pro Israel heckler who was at
least like gracious enough to wait until the very end of the interview, the very end of the,
the, uh, the event to like try and heckle me. And he was like an old guy and I was like,
damn dog, you were like 48. You have, we'll take care of your children. Yeah, but apparently
they sent 27,000 emails to the college and also planned a disruption, uh, to, uh, stop
the event from happening. That's part of the reason why the event was like slow.
At the start, we had a lot of police presence at the event as well. Um, specifically
specifically because uh yeah there was a lot of uh there was a lot of emails being like
this guy's a racist please do not let him speak and the racism that I had uh the racism
that I demonstrated they did not actually admit to because that would be stupid if they
openly said oh he said cracker that's why they banned him because like a bunch of fucking
nazis did a campaign similar to the campaign that we're running right now to get uh
Twitch to take action against the white guy who said the word cracker something that everybody laughs about now, but hey
You know use anything to your advantage as you can any videos out here. We live from the entire process
Anyway, I went to sleep I woke up I played
I'm placing motherfucking a b-ball this morning
You have on a bulletproof like on this young who the fuck is on issue
What what the fuck is that?
Kick Shroom moves on a roof in Israel and captures the missile landing in same footage.
Bro, Israel is the most cake-coded country on the fucking planet.
That is the least shocking thing I've ever heard.
Like, that is...
Like, Israel is one big kick country, you know what I mean?
Oh shit, we got an article.
We got an article up on the New York Times.
Not just fun and games.
Politics is just deeper into live streams.
Mark Shroom has discussed politics including major events like Tuesday's debate.
They've become the focus of intense interest for both political campaigns.
a yo a yo let's go Ken okay Kenny Ben Kenny Bissinger Kenny Benzinger damn damn damn damn
damn damn damn my New York Times article is out okay Kenny B anyway we'll look at this
later god damn dude you so kick koto you are disrespecting kick there's really army
spokesperson asked people to stop posting footage oh they did anyway imagine what the
most of them on what's seen on fireworks just the vote country get hit by a few
dozen rogers looks horrifying is blowing up on the internet yeah dude now that
now that Iran is actually striking back against a country that like the Western
media has designated a real country with real human beings you will actually see
war coverage that that places the fucking victims in the forefront okay
so I'm just letting you know I'm just letting you know we're gonna dive into
all of that fucking news reporting there's gonna be a lot of fake news
around. I'm just letting y'all fucking know, okay? I'm letting y'all know there's gonna be a lot of
stuff today. There's gonna be a lot of attention on the stream. A lot of people that are waiting,
salivating at the prospect of turning this into a fucking drama. So, you know, be,
you know, lock in, be normal, behave. But yeah, Shinebomb, Chelsaft, Claudia Shinebomb,
who is now officially the president of Mexico, Mexico. White House briefing is about to start
on the matter. All right, let's just fucking blast off. Oops, no pun intended there. I'm
going to Ron is striking back at Israel. I am live JD Vance versus Tim walls debate
later. Get in now. Um, yeah, everything is falling apart. I have to tell the, the Lebanese,
the, the not Lebanese, the Palestinian historian guy that I can't actually
talk to him today. Does anyone have a blast off meme?
From Brandon ad with this. This shit was, this shit was like, uh, paired up alongside.
Does anyone have a motherfucking blast off meme or not?
I'm drinking a potion. This is a muscle potion. I put this on. I when I get my when I get my potion. I
I end up eating a bunch of mana
Okay, dude. That's really that's the
What is that I can't use as a blast. I mean people keep saying I'm a queer baiter for you guys
By the way, Israel doesn't yes Israel doesn't want footage to come out
Now, that's two, that is way too inside baseball to post. Okay. That's too inside baseball to
post. Give me something normal, please. No, I'm not posting that. Okay. McGurg and Sullivan
said, fuck the CIA, fuck the state department, fuck the Geneva convention, fuck the election.
We're starting a war. Let's go. Yeah. I think it's pretty crazy. A lot of this,
A lot of the, the Dick Cheney ends up offering Dick Cheney's support for Kamala Harris starts
making so much sense when you realize that like, and I think Jeremy Scahill made a similar
point.
A lot of the, a lot of the Dick Cheney is, is supporting Kamala Harris shit makes sense
when you realize that the Democratic party is like literally giving the neocon dream
like everything they want. The Democratic Party currently, and I'm telling you right now,
do you think Israel gonna respond? I live in Iran. I kind of hope you say no, KW, bro.
I have no fucking idea, okay? I, like, I thought Iran was,
first of all, Israel will definitely respond. I just don't know how. I don't know where this
goes. Um, if there's one thing you know, Israel literally does not deescalate. Okay. They do
not have, it's the most cop country on the planet, brother. It is such a cop country that
it literally trains our cops. Okay. The IDF trains our police brother. The, the passive
voice being used for domestic American police brutality is also used for Israel for that
reason. It is the most cop coded country on the fucking planet all the way down
like the fuck shit that they engage with on a regular fucking basis. So what do cops do?
They never deescalate brother. They always escalate. So they're going to escalate. It's
just, do they have the capacity to do so? And how much is America going to fucking,
you know, how much is America going to give them all things considered holding blood feast
will get to feast on blood once again. Okay. That's it. This morning I was fucking
dropping absolute bombs on my buddy on the basketball court when I found out got a text
message from Noah Colvin.
He said the big ones happening right now.
I was like, oh no, what do you mean the big one?
He said, turn on Sky News right now.
I fucking dropped the basketball.
I literally fucking turned on Sky News on my goddamn phone and I saw the Tel Aviv
sky lit up like a goddamn Christmas tree.
Okay.
So you know and it's hitting it's hitting like they're hitting fucking targets brother shit is not all right
Israel is currently experiencing
actually
Israel's currently experiencing shit that it does to other countries in a much more limited fashion mind you
Okay, so I assume you guys are going to for the first time ever
see news media coverage that centers the victims of a bombing campaign for once because it's
on the it's on the good guy side the good guys are the ones receiving the bombing from the
perspective from the fucking perspective of western media so they trust me you know they
will remember how to cover they will remember how to cover conflicts now as far as I understand
the Iranian message ahead of time was they're not trying to target civilian targets. They
are trying to target military targets. The problem is, you know what? I'll let CNN's Jim
Serito explain what the problem is when you're targeting military targets. Let's take a
look.
The US intel view that among the targets were Israeli airfields, but also, and this
This is crucial.
The headquarters of Masaad, the international intelligence service of Israel, which is inside
Tel Aviv.
It's in the northern part of Tel Aviv, but it's in the city.
It's in a densely populated area.
Oh no, wait a minute, does that mean that Israel's using human shields, brother?
Is that the, is that, because that's what you taught me.
That's what you educated me on, Jim.
Jim Sequoito.
I never seen you wear the fucking vest before.
I never seen you wear that helmet before, Jim.
You, you're a Tel Aviv, why are you wearing the helmet, Jim?
So many of his colleagues were assassinated
by the Israeli state dressed up exactly like that
with American bombs, mind you, okay?
So it turns out there is no such thing
as fucking human shields, okay?
And that's something that I understand.
And that's something that you need to understand as well.
It's just that I actually believe that
These fucking scumbags only deploy that when it's Israel that is in the crosshairs of a
bombing campaign.
Just, just going to point that out real quick, okay?
And of course the concern is if you're firing, even though Iran might consider that a military
target, it is in a densely populated city with civilians around it.
And that's just one more layer of escalation.
Oh, that's an escalation?
Wait, so striking military targets that happen to be in fucking densely populated civilian
areas is an escalation.
Is it an escalation through, is it a de-escalation tactic through escalation?
Is Iran de-escalating through escalation right now?
Is that what's going on?
Or is Iran doing something that is unimaginably cruel and unusual to Israel?
I don't know.
Because like I said, I've only learned from mainstream media, I've only watched
media so I'm like a little confused I'm a little confused right now I said why the tone and the and
the coverage is like so dramatically different because for the past 12 months that shit was
awesome right like it was sick Israel was so mighty and so good at what it does Israel also
literally fucking has an iron dome okay Israel currently has the might of the American military
Jordanian coverage, American coverage, Saudi coverage. They got literally regional partners
trying to defend Israel to the best of their fucking ability and the Iron Dome is getting
fucking overwhelmed. Okay. Let's see what Al Jazeera is saying.
He said Ali Khamenei who has the control over the old armed forces and he has the
right to declare war on any other country.
I will warn all of you. Don't get fucking callous. Do not think. Do not think you can post like
an Israel defender. Okay. You cannot. I'm letting you know right now you will literally
go to prison. Okay. Your life. They will end your life. You will go to jail potentially
for supporting terrorism. It don't work that way. Do not fucking fed post. Do not fucking
that post in the chat. I'm letting you know. I'm letting you know right now. A lot of you
motherfuckers did this. You did this on October 7 too. And you got got. Okay. You will never,
you will have to sit there and eat the callous indifference and the tackling hyenas over
on the side of defending Israel brigade every damn day as they fucking point to
to like children and body bags,
children and fucking trash bags and say they deserve it.
And if you were to ever say anything,
even marginally, marginally close to that,
if you were to ever even celebrate it,
you will get branded a terrorist.
I'm letting you know, I'm letting you know right now,
don't fucking do it.
Don't do it.
Okay.
Having said that, however,
the hypocrisy is a little bit alarming.
I mean, it's just, it's thick, it's thick.
You know, I just, I'm experiencing things that
I didn't think I would, I didn't think I'd be seeing,
you know, coverage that I didn't think I would.
I've been starting a ground operation
and then this hit today is changed completely
the course of event, but it's also spoiling
Benjamin Netanyahu presented himself
as the future leader of the Middle East
who's going to punish anyone that attacks Israel?
Elijah, you said Iran was quote escalating to de-escalate,
which is, you know, it's kind of a strange quote,
but it's one we've heard several times in the last few days.
And really the first time we heard it was from Israel,
that that's what they were trying to do
in Lebanon against Hezbollah.
The idea of escalate to de-escalate
is essentially show your military muscle,
show that you're stronger in order to deter your enemy
and prevent a bigger war.
If everybody's doing the same thing
and is adopting the same logic, where's this taking us?
Well, it's all in the hand of Benjamin Netanyahu.
He is the one who dictating the temple.
He's the one who's going to war on Lebanon.
He's the one who started an all-out war
on the Gaza against the civilians, not only Hamas,
and then turned against Lebanon, hit Fideida,
and then went to Iran
and assassinated Ismail Hanida.
He bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus.
He is the one who is escalating
for his personal reason to remain in power.
And because he's feeling all this victory,
he doesn't feel concerned about stopping the war
on the country.
He wants to continue.
And this is why Iran is saying,
I'm going to come in.
of missiles hitting an air base the never team air base in the negative bro that's crazy shit
okay now look they got hella fucking they got bunkers okay Iran does not have the same munitions
that Israel has Iran is not fucking flying at 15 over targets and directly fucking striking them
Their capabilities are diminished in comparison to what Israel can do to a defenseless area that it occupies, such as the Gaza Strip, or a defenseless country with a paramilitary that is all that remains to defend them like Lebanon, okay?
Lebanon does not have any anti-air systems in general. That is by design. It's so that Israel can fucking fly over it and destroy it when they want to, okay?
Okay. And I need you to understand. I need you to understand something. Okay. This entire,
this entire situation, and I want everyone to remember this, this entire situation could
have been avoided since day fucking one. It could have been avoided from the jump. All
it would have required was demanding that Joe Biden do the elder statesman thing,
is reigning Israel people in his corner told him to do that people in his people literally
told them over and over again hey dog you know how Israel gets bro please please tell
him to dial it the fuck back he was like nope well how about above is it oh look alive
Jack I love Israel I'm a Zionist Israel can kill as many babies as it wants Jack look
alive. Here's the facts. I'm a Zionist. Okay. Rain it in. Rain it in. I've said it a million
fucking times. I said I said a million times over the course of the past fucking 12 months,
I was like, rain it in rain Israel in please rain Israel in. I even said, listen, if
you're a bloodless, monstrous sociopathic piece of shit, but you still care about
at least like retaining power, at least if you care about the Democratic Party winning
election don't fucking leave Netanyahu with a fat fucking arsenal of weapons
and a willingness to do the bidding of Donald Trump because he's in the tank
for Donald fucking Trump he's gonna go to war with Lebanon he's gonna invade
Lebanon everyone's like Hassan you're being ridiculous Hassan you're being
crazy where the fuck are we now where are we now I said it for months am I
fucking prophetic no I'm a dumbass okay I'm a stupid fucking idiot who sits
around in front of a computer all goddamn day. I just know a little bit about the way Israel
behaves. That's it. I've just done a little bit of reading. That's it. Like a minor amount.
If you are even remotely interested in the, in the history of the region, you arrive at
this conclusion on your own. If you only get your shit from fucking, I don't know,
random YouTubers or Dick riding Israel into fucking oblivion, or if you're only
getting your news from MSNBC, CNN, Western media without ever like applying a little bit
of fucking media literacy or applying a little bit of critical thinking. You're like, Oh,
how did this happen? Israel's the victim. Once again, it's crazy. Dude, dude, they've
been doing this. They've been doing this like for 76 years. Of course, a lot of the
fucking regional actors have basically designed their entire existence around maintaining
a defensive posture, maintaining a deterrent strategy, and developing an arsenal specifically
to combat this kind of thing that Israel does on a regular basis.
And since October 7, Israel's been doing infinitely worse shit that Tel Aviv is receiving currently
every goddamn day, every goddamn day, every day, dude.
So if you are now going, how could this have happened?
How is this going?
How could this have ever happened?
Who would have foreseen this like I've been fucking telling you that this was gonna happen. Oh
I mean, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This isn't normal. Every single one of these rockets is meant to kill. Yeah, no shit, dude
That's what rockets do dumbass
That's what your rockets do to the fucking Palestinians like get the fuck out of here. What are we doing?
Never seen the iron dome like this Iran bill different
I've never seen a total failure of Israeli interceptors like this completely ineffective against Iranian missiles with a point of
comedy. It is insane brother of course. What the fuck were they thinking? What were they
thinking? Also this is the most Israel thing to do okay. There is nothing more Israel to
be like oh shit we're getting fucking bombed in a way that we never have. What to do?
Oh it's time to fucking post like a goddamn teenager. Dude what are you doing? This is
the national account of the fucking state, okay, of an apartheid state that is currently
conducting a genocide, okay, and they're posting like a fucking anxiety-ridden teenager, like,
this is normal. What are you doing, bro? Stop normalizing
this problematic behaviors of missiles, a thread. Is this the sort of World War Three?
I don't think so, but I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I'll be honest. It is
unique to Iran to do this. Okay. Like it was, it was already, it was already unceremonious and,
and out of pocket for Iran to even retaliate against Israel at all. But that was a managed
retaliation. Okay. That was a managed retaliation. That was genuinely a previously
communicated retaliation and they struck like one military base overall, they didn't
fucking deploy shit. They told what they were going to do ahead of time. Like they gave literally
like a week's notice or some shit. This time is different. It's a little different. It
kind of caught everybody by surprise. They still gave four warning, but the four warning
was significantly shorter, right? And I don't know what is Pat Bev doing over there.
I don't know, but if I'm Pat Bev, I'm getting the fuck out, don't worry, America will give you a flight out
unlike those in Lebanon, if you're in the crosshairs of Israeli bombing, of course, you don't get a flight out there
but if you're in Israel, don't worry, America will find a way to fucking transport your ass out of there
and back into safe territory, you know?
Pat Bev is cooked!
Anyway, Israel just promised to retaliate. Yeah, I know they did they warned this morning
they warned senior Iranian official said the US was alerted by Iran through diplomatic
channels shortly before the attacks, but that was not a long ass for warning. That's
a little different. This is the message Israelis across Jerusalem are receiving right
now. Imagine living like this. Dude, are you fucking bro bro? Are you serious? Are
Are you serious?
Imagine living like this.
Yeah, dude.
That's how Palestinians live every fucking day.
They don't even have the home front command.
They just eat it.
They don't have bomb shelters.
Well, fucking months of genocide, bro.
No way.
No fucking way.
Turns out bombs killed.
That's crazy.
I'm actually shocked, brother.
That's crazy.
Anyway, I hope the Hassanabihids, listen,
I mean, this is the same thing I say
the house and I've had some fucking Lebanon that Israel bombs on a regular basis. I hope
you guys are all right. You know, my thoughts are with you. I know you're already fucking
stuck in a goddamn genocidal, freak ass fucking state, you know, surrounded by absolute sickos
on a regular fucking basis. Life is shit as it is for you. And now you have to
fucking deal with the genocidal government you don't agree with. And it's consequences.
I hope you guys are all right.
You know, you say, um, I don't know.
It's the exact same thing.
It's like, it's what I say to the Palestinians is what I say to the
Palestinian chatters, what I say to the fucking Lebanese chatters is the
same shit.
It's like, what is this guy?
This guy said, you still on Iran's Iraq's side and Hamas side brother.
Are you fucking stupid?
Do you not hear the words that are coming out of my mouth?
I am anti genocide, okay? I'm anti genocide. I'm anti fucking war. Do you understand that?
That's the side I'm on
Holy shit, dude. Jesus Christ 12 months of fucking genocide from the apartheid state and this motherfucker is like, are you still on it?
What is it rock doing like what is it rock involved in any way this motherfucker drop that in there, bro?
He just dropped the rock in the conversation
Demonstrating his position is just like so what's up? Are you with the fucking?
You know, are you with the sand people or what like who are you with?
Are you with the civilization or the sand people? Who saw it? Are you on?
It's crazy cuz it's like both in the axis of evil. No, bro. What the fuck is Iraq doing dog Iraq
What do you mean? It's like led by an American puppet state. Are you crazy?
What the fuck is Iraq done?
Come on focus Iraq, bro. Sorry to the Iraqi house on our beheads, bro
You're gonna have to get invaded again. It seems
Americans usually have this appetite, you know?
Americans just have an unfortunate appetite for death and destruction when stuff like
this happens.
Here, let's hear what they have to say now.
A lot of decisions to be made right now by Israeli government officials.
We have much more ahead of our special coverage of the Iranian attack on Israel continues.
She caught her entire career.
Okay, dude.
Jesus Christ.
As soon as I fucking get out of here, I'm going to go to Israel.
Okay, dude. Jesus Christ. As soon as I fucking tune in they're like, yeah, ad break still an occupation when Israel controls the land borders and controls pretty much every aspect of life in Gaza.
This is still considered under international law and occupation. Like is this has been adjudicated in the world's top courts and Israel lost that one. This is Gaza is an occupation.
Yeah, it's true. Okay, you said it and the court said it
We're still facing
Hamas Gaza, which it's charter by the way like the charter office baller
Oh, this dude is bro. Go to the bomb shelter dog. Go to the bomb shelter. What do you mean has baller and Hamas?
Bro, you are on serious
You are not a serious person, dude. Holy shit. This motherfucker like I don't give a fuck
They could kill me right now, and I'm still going to tell you the talking points. Okay
Can I ask you about regional he's like y'all remember the 1988 Charter of Hamas?
And do you think that he's trying to precipitate regime change in Iran based on his comments yesterday ostensibly addressed to Iranians?
Let me see if I can find the exact quote when Iran is finally free and that moment will come a lot sooner than
Among the targets were Israeli airfields, but also
the headquarters of Masa, the, the. Oh, sorry. I'm not a big fan of Netanyahu. So, um, I think he
wants, uh, somehow to get that Iran doesn't become nuclear power. And he knows that he needs
America for this. So yes, he has something in the back of his mind that, uh, if this is an
opportunity to involve America he would push for it. As for regime change, I don't think
Israelis should be involved in any speculations and ideas. We tried it in Lebanon back in
1982 and we failed. And I think Israel should talk about regime change in Israel itself,
not elsewhere.
We're in Dromi founding director general of Jerusalem press club. We're tired Colonel in the Israeli Air Force
Thank you very much for joining us on Al Jazeera gave the all clear about an hour ago. The attacks are over
Oh, I thought it was still blown. I thought we were still going in
I just saw a live connection to Tel Aviv. They're already back to normal. It's crazy
So we don't have a final assessment. I didn't realize I thought it was still going on
We don't have a I don't have a final assessment of what's what's happening. No, this is live
Al Jazeera is live right now. It's just that the attacks are from earlier. They're just showing
they're just showing the wave of attacks from earlier. Okay. You think the recent escalation
with Lebanon now and now Iran was BB coaxing attacks that boosts approval. Benjamin Netanyahu
has wanted a fucking war with Iran for most of his life. Okay. This is the reason why he was
heavily against the Iran de nuclearization agreement because he was terrified of the
the prospect of normalizing relationship with Iran. That's why he, he kept mercilessly and
relentlessly attacking the Obama administration for its signature accomplishment on that front.
That's why as part of the reason why he loved Donald Trump, um, IDF, IDF has, uh, announced
as far as I understand, they've announced that they're like, uh, going to retaliate.
And, but the thing is, here's the issue, okay?
They already have been.
Yesterday, they bombed Damascus and Lebanon.
Like they already have been fucking nonstop attacking.
The only difference in this circumstance is they'll probably attack Iran.
And I don't know if they'll actually attack Iran with even more weapons than prior.
And I don't know what that looks like.
This is unique territory overall.
This is new territory overall.
It's not unique in the sense that like, Israelis have been literally begging to nuke Tehran
for quite a while, okay?
But Israel already bombed Yemen yesterday.
They bombed fucking Damascus.
They bombed Lebanon.
They've been bombing Lebanon.
The only difference is now they'll fucking bomb Iran again.
Hassanabbi people on Reddit are saying Iran just started this war history yet again
reset today.
word I got is that this will be like the April attacks Israel retaliate by attacking his vala
in Lebanon not Iran and Iran will use the posture to the Arab world that they can do something but
not expected anything else to happen like April we'll see but the difference in this circumstance
of the Iranian retaliation was the was the lack of like was the lack of prior knowledge of the
retaliation. Like they only, they only revealed that they were going to retaliate. They only
revealed that they were going to retaliate right before they actually launched their missiles.
Last time they gave like seven days of warning. They telegraphed it. They were like, Hey,
we're going to come. We're going to retaliate. We're going to retaliate. Israel doesn't do
something about it. We're going to retaliate. We have a right to defend our sovereignty.
This time it was relatively quick. BM is posting throughout the Middle East, what a bunch of
just psychos the idea of after the Iranian attack the Air Force will attack strongly tonight throughout the Middle East
We'll see
I'll just hear a correspondent in Tehran and saying there will be another wave of attacks
It is pretty fucking crazy that all of this shit was absolutely telegraphed
Okay, all of this stuff was telegraphed from the jump. It was telegraphed in the jump
It's not like we didn't know this was gonna happen. Of course. We knew this was gonna happen
What the fuck was anybody expecting? And for the record, what Israel will do, I suspect,
when they say they're gonna fucking retaliate, is probably kill a bunch of Ghazan civilians,
okay, as they have been. They haven't really stopped. They killed like 34 the other day.
It's just that the attention has shifted over to the Lebanese civilians. They're fucking
killing by the hundreds, right in Beirut. So that's probably what they're gonna do.
They're going to pummel civilians. They're going to punish civilians as hard as they possibly
can because they only have one fucking speed. They only know how to do one thing and that's
kill civilians. And that's precisely what they're going to fucking do. I just don't
think that, I don't know. I just, will this inevitably cause Israel to implode on itself?
I mean, all of these things, all of these things actually hurt the psyche of the
Israeli citizens because Israel gets to be Israel only responds to violence. Okay. Israel only
backs away when they are forced to back away through violent retaliation. I think there was
a terror attack as well. Like there was a, I think like a, like a shooting attack, uh,
inside of Israel as well. And in, I don't know if it was in coordination. It probably
was in coordination with the bombings, but ultimately, ultimately what is going to, ultimately
what's going to happen is, because Israel only responds to force with more escalation
but only backs away when they fear that there are real repercussions for Israel, okay. That's
what they've educated the entire region on. So that's why these things are happening.
they can only get away with this, they can only get away with like further and further
escalating when they have this security, when they have the iron dome, when they have the
confidence that like the regional actors no matter how they retaliate, Israel will be
able to protect its citizens, it will be able to protect its civilians, right?
When that security veneer, when that mentality goes away, when normal Israeli society
starts fearing that there is retaliation for all of the dangerous escalations.
The calculation changes dramatically because, remember, Israel is within the sphere of Western
influence.
It is like a Western country in the Middle East.
So people go to work.
People have marketing jobs.
Okay.
I think it was two people from Jaffa, six dead, mostly civilians, and a few others
wounded.
Thank you, Tom, without an OVO.
I'm glad you're safe.
Um, so, so when, you know, you got DJs, oh, sorry from Hebron, but the attack was in Haifa.
Projectiles were intercepted over Jerusalem Tuesday evening as Iran set a fire, dozens
of missiles into Israel's retaliation for killings of leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas, air raid
sirens are sounding across Israel.
So, do you think an invasion of Iran's airspace is possible in likely retaliation?
I don't know, maybe.
Israel is going to see what it really means to be a US proxy state?
I
Don't think so in Yaffa
It was in Tel Aviv. Okay. I don't know where the attack was
They take a breather in my opinion
You know it's nothing because Israel knew not only it was going to happen
But also the targets which were cleared last I saw only injuries were three from the shrapnel and two people from running into each
Other and shelters. Yeah, but you have to remember
Israel will be notoriously a private about like what targets actually got hit
I don't think that they will, I do not think that they will be open about if their military
hardware was destroyed, like they're not going to say that, because they do not want any of
the regional actors that are aligned against Israel, they do not want any of the regional
actors aligned against Israel to score a W in this situation, they do not want, even
if there are like obviously if Israeli civilians died we'll know about it that they can't hide that
but if the attacks are directed at military targets as the Iranians claim they were
and they specifically destroyed military hardware Israel probably will not reveal that information
at all like they don't want that they don't want that they don't want people to know that
Israel is not this like infallible and impossible to penetrate security barrier is actually not
impossible to penetrate. Israel's channel 12, eight killed in the Jaffa shooting. Israeli
police say one of the attackers has also been killed. Yeah, there was a shooting in a train
stop in Jaffa. Israel has resulted in multiple casualties. Initial reports indicate several
people were wounded with some critical condition. According to the Israeli Broadcasting
authority for people living killed in the attack. Yeah. And I think like, I think Daniel
Higari also, Daniel Higari also said that like, you know, you shouldn't show any videos
of any attacks. Don't show the videos very graphic. I'm not going to show the videos.
To be honest, I think we could be next. I don't know where you're, what part of the
world you're in, if you're in Iran, or if you're in Lebanon, or if you are
in America. I don't know. Is this also de-escalation by escalation? No, this is retaliation. What
do you mean? Oh, in America? Yeah, I mean, maybe, probably not though. I think most of
the regional actors are too busy with their own backyard at this moment to focus their
crosshairs on the United States of America. Can you please explain how Israel uses human
shields. I'm confused on no civilians died if that's the case. Iran's legal, rational
and legitimate response to the terrorist attacks of the Zionist regime, which involved targeting
Iranian nationals and interests and infringing upon the national sovereignty of the Islamic
Republic of Iran has been duly carried out. Should the Zionist regime dare to respond
or commit further acts of malevolence, a subsequent and crushing response will ensue.
Regional states and the Zionist supporters are advised the part ways with the regime.
They're doing the same thing that Benjamin Nenyeahu said yesterday. They're like,
We don't have we don't want war with you the Israeli people, but your government is the reason
BBC and ABC are saying unprovoked attack on Israel. Of course, they're saying that dude the attack the only attacks that are provoked are our
Dude Israel gets that listen you have to understand Israel gets that attack everybody and that's always
Righteous and if Israel ever gets countered or retaliated upon it's unprovoked
And we're not to hear that Hamas wasn't really on board with this ceasefire, but also sources
have told me that there were moments where Netanyahu also changed the parameters of what
he wanted there.
And I think the really big challenge has been, as one Middle East source told me, you as
the negotiating party cannot want this ceasefire more than the parties on the ground involved.
And that's where I think the struggle has been for Biden.
This White House has wanted an end to the conflict, but it's not clear that the
parties involved wanted it as much as Biden.
Awesome. Thank you, J. O'Brien is at the White House for us today. So I guess two questions
for you, Jay, as we're getting a number of leaders from the Hill weighing in on what's
happening overseas. We do know that the president was in the sit-room, the vice president, right
next to him monitoring what was happening as Iran was launching those missiles. Do we
We know what exactly he is doing now, and is he also in a wait-and-see mode waiting to
see what Israel is going to do, or do you think he'll get a heads up from Benjamin Netanyahu
as to what may happen next?
Well, a number of different things to unpack in that.
Firstly, I can tell you that when the President and the Vice President were in this situation
or were largely White House officials say to coordinate the defensive response, the
while the wire market is down today,
the trucking bar in northern ground and radion
are reaching red and high, baby.
That's all of these missiles.
Exactly how many the Israelis were able to intercept
versus the US and potentially other allies shooting down
is very much unclear, but we know that that was
what the president and the vice president
were monitoring there.
The defensive ability by US military assets
to shoot down some of these missiles
in participation, of course,
in defending their Israeli partners.
We also know that senior White House officials telegraphed that there would be quote, severe
consequences for Iran if there was a direct strike of this nature at Israel.
Exactly what severe consequences look like is still very much unclear.
As you said, the White House is somewhat in a wait-and-see pattern.
They are obviously in close touch with Israel because they were participating in the show.
They're about to know why we don't have free healthcare.
I know, man.
Yeah, you're right.
Will the White House get ahead, though?
Totally.
Just like the fucking Ansela Law administration in Yemen found out, right?
That's why they're fucking lobbing of like hypersonic missiles in the Tel Aviv, still.
That's an own-on-you dog, that is an own-on-you, and all of us. You understand that, right?
Like the idea that like we don't have healthcare, is that an acceptable fucking trade-off? Are you insane?
Why are you openly saying that and you're championing it? That originated,
That originated that
Statement
Originated as a as a like as a
Angry thing like people used to say that as like how fucked up is it that we don't have a health care because we're just like
Always funding more missiles
That's the joke. Come on man as old as fuck line. I mean it depends some can't tell a joke
It's gotta be a joke. Okay. First of all, you can joke about this. I'm just saying that like a lot of people a
Lot of people don't make that as a joke in in the sense that a lot of people that say that nowadays are saying that as an
Own where they're like, no, dude, it's fucking sick like we don't have health care
And that's the reason why we get to blow up everybody like and it still doesn't fucking work
You know what I mean?
Beeman needs nine billion yet. We send another nine billion shipments to Israel. Yes, dude. Are you anti-semitic?
Are you anti-semitic sir? Of course
Excuse me. We need to deploy the National Guard not the areas that are in desperate need of
Hurricane assistance, but directly to the region so we can defend Israel when Israel inevitably goes to war with every fucking country in the region
So shut the fuck up shut your anti-semitic mouth up
Do you understand how unacceptable of you to say these sorts of anti-Semitic things Lindsey Graham's colleagues as Lindsey Graham
So often is on the issue of Iran. He has gone further than any other
Republican or Democrat at this hour
Casualties
For the U.S. to support it's mostly like they hit target brother look what I've seen in statements look look listen
Look at the impact.
The Iron Dome is for, is for tinier missiles in general, okay?
The Iron Dome is, is a more comprehensive, like the anti-ballistic system is called Aero,
okay?
And that, when people say Iron Dome colloquially, they mean like all of the Israeli defense
structure, not just the Tamir interceptors, okay? But it's actually Arrow, I think like Arrow one
through three, like David's sling, I think is another one, like there's a bunch of different,
there are a bunch of different anti missile systems that Israel has. It's very comprehensive.
It's very large. And beyond that, beyond its capabilities of like intercepting, they also
have, they also literally have the American, the American aircrafts in the region, and an
American anti air anti missile systems in the region as well.
You have regional actors from Jordan. Jordan has defense capabilities as well. You have
Saudi defense capabilities if on Sadallah or Yemen is trying to fucking law ballistic
missiles or, or any kind of missiles from the direction of the Red Sea. So it's a
very it's a comprehensive and very expensive structure to keep Israel safe and and you know
avoid any sort of like retaliation. Here's Jake Sullivan let's take a look at one of our interceptors
to shoot down inbound missiles. President Biden and Vice President Harris monitored the attack
and the response from the White House Situation Room joined in person and remotely by their
national security team.
We are still working with the IDF and the authorities in Israel to assess the impact of the attack.
But at this time, and I stress at this time, we do not know of any deaths in Israel.
We are tracking the reported death of a Palestinian civilian in Jericho in the West Bank.
We do not know of any damage to aircraft or strategic military assets in Israel.
In short, based on what we know at this point, this attack appears to have been defeated
and ineffective.
This was first and foremost the result of the professionalism of the IDF, but in no small
part because of the skilled work of the U.S. military and meticulous joint planning in
anticipation of the attack.
We're also aware of reports of a terrorist attack in Jaffa that took the lives of a
number of Israeli civilians and wounded several others today.
Our condolences go out to the families of the victims and to the family of the Palestinians
in Jericho.
He's not lying.
He's not lying.
This is my update here.
A chat.
Stop immediately saying he's lying.
And we reserve the right to amend and adjust as necessary as we gather more information.
The word fog of war was invented for a situation like this.
This is a fluid situation.
We will consult with the Israelis on next steps in terms of the response and how
to deal with what Iran has just done.
And we will continue to monitor for further threats and attacks from Iran and its proxies.
We are particularly focused on protecting U.S. service members in the region.
And with that I'll take just a few questions.
Yes.
Thanks, Jay.
Is the administration making any preparations to evacuate U.S. citizens from Lebanon or
elsewhere in the region?
We have been very clear for some time now that U.S. citizens should avail themselves
of commercial means to depart Lebanon, given everything that's going on.
We have said that from this podium, from multiple podiums.
We continue to say that, but we have not begun triggering a non-combat emergency evacuation,
a NEO.
You used to be honest when you didn't know things, but your React Queen mentality is
taken over, especially regarding the Middle East.
You've become the Pied Piper for Russian bots and ignorant.
You've fallen off, my dude.
Once again, I think chatters don't listen to the words that are coming out of my mouth
and simply basically respond to what they assume I'm saying.
The Israeli should retaliate.
And what is your concern about this leading to a wider escalation of war in the region?
We had some initial discussions with the Israelis in the aftermath of this at the
military level and also at the White House to Prime Minister's office level.
We'll continue those conversations in the hours ahead.
I'm not going to prejudge or get ahead of anything.
We want to have some deep consultations with the Israelis, and I'll have more to report
to you after we get the opportunity for deeper discussions.
Yeah.
Obviously, this is a significant escalation by Iran, a significant event, and it is equally
significant that we were able to step up with Israel and create a situation in which
no one was killed in this attack in Israel so far as we know at this time.
We are now going to look at what the appropriate next steps are to secure first and foremost
American interest and then to promote stability to the maximum extent possible as we go forward. Yeah, he said no civilians in no military
Hardware, what do you mean he's not lying never team airbase is destroyed. Oh, sorry
I thought he said no civilians were harmed in this process
I I don't disagree with that. I
Mean, I don't I don't think that that assessment is a lie is listen
Israel cannot keep it a secret if their civilians fucking die in in any kind of attack and also
Also, it would not even be in their interest to keep that a secret.
It would give more righteous cause to whatever the fuck they're going to do next, okay?
In retaliation.
But in terms of the military hardware, they will absolutely say, oh, nothing happened.
We didn't even get a dent.
They won't openly admit that their military hardware was destroyed.
So just so you understand, do I believe that there was no military hardware destroyed?
I don't necessarily believe that.
I think that, you know, if they actually struck targets directly right here, if this footage
is correct, if this footage is correct, and you're going to get very limited information
from Israel on this stuff because they don't want this kind of information, they do not
want this kind of information to be out. Controversial documentation of missile drops.
This is from con news.
You know, like Israel does not want, Israel does not want direct targets.
Okay.
Israel does not want video footage of direct targets being hit because it destroys, it absolutely destroys the air of security that they must maintain.
Okay.
was obviously devastating for the Israeli consciousness, Israeli psyche in general.
Because any kind of reminder that Israel is not impenetrable shakes the collective psyche
and causes people to recalculate how Israel operates in the region. Causes Israeli society
to recalculate how Israel operates in the region.
So what ends up happening in this situation,
obviously, after October 7,
it was an enemy that they know how to fucking deal with, right?
It's an enemy that they have destroyed time and time again.
It's broadly civilians.
It's not like as powerful of a force as Iran is, right?
So for them, that was like,
oh, these are our ancient enemies at this point.
It's great.
go and siege Gaza and we can mow the lawn in these operations that we've conducted time
and time again.
So people were screaming bloody murder.
In terms of going into Lebanon, the calculation is a little different again because once
again Hezbollah is a more significant military presence with better weapons.
They're more, they're more combat trained.
They are not stuck inside of an open air prison that Israel has designed, for the most part.
In Iran is, this is a mistranslation, it doesn't say controversial, it says Arara, which is
a Palestinian town in the north, 99% intercepted, I'm a veteran Israeli, we don't have bunkers,
so I just sat and watched the missiles fall.
Yeah, that's the other part of the process is that like, whenever these sorts of things
happen, whenever, whenever like any sort of retaliation occurs on Israeli soil,
Obviously, the areas where the densely populated areas where majority Jewish populations reside
are well protected as opposed to areas, and I've talked about this before in the last
Iranian retaliation, like the Bedouin population does not have the same level of safety and
coverage, and that's precisely why shrapnel fell on top of a makeshift house that some
of the Palestinian citizens of Israel had made for themselves that ironically, the, the Israeli
government actually demolished, uh, once again, as they had before, they'll use the better
one population to be like, Oh, see, like you only got to kill Palestinians. Like you
don't care about the Palestinians. Uh, and they'll, they'll use that. They'll only remember
the humanity of Palestinian citizens of Israel when it suits their, their messaging.
We saw a similar example of this when Israel said the Al Ahli hospital was actually blown
up by the Palestinian Islamic jihad, right? They talked about like all of the Palestinians
that died only when it suit their propaganda purpose. All of a sudden, if if Palestinians
are being killed by Israel and their acceptable combat casualties, it's collateral damage.
If Palestinians are even suspected to be killed by other Palestinians or the acts of resistance
in any capacity, then they're real human beings. And it's really fucked up that
like they were killed. In terms of World War 3, in terms of like World War 3 happening, I don't,
I mean it's, I feel like, I feel like war has changed.
And like, it's not, it's not the way that you understand it anymore, it's just like when
is war, when is war not happening, you know what I mean? It's always happening. Here are,
yeah, here are more dozens of ballistic missile impacts in Israel from friend of the show,
You want news?
Come above all.
Come above all.
IHL Twitter is saying Iran's actions are illegal armed reprisals while they may be true.
The political analysis leads one to believe that a response from Iran to Israel was an
unavoidable reaction following Israel's repeated escalations.
Curious about your thoughts?
Wouldn't it have been feasible for Iran to not react without essentially accepting
defeat to Israel?
No.
When people say Iran has no right to retaliate, they're wrong.
I mean, Israel assassinated the principal negotiator on the Palestinian side that was responsible
for, that was responsible for civil governance, okay?
Ismah Hiniyya, on Iranian soil, in direct violation of human rights and in direct violation of
Iranian sovereignty.
Iran had every right to retaliate to Israel at any point that they chose to do so.
It's just that the issue here is that in the way that we analyze it in the Western world,
of course, Iran never has a right to retaliate. There's no, you can't, you just have to sit
there and get pummeled. Yeah. Better when unrecognized villages, time without a OVO
says better when unrecognized villages are considered open areas by the iron dome.
So missiles fired towards them are generally not covered. That's about 12. That's about
120,000 citizens, completely unprotected. Yeah. International human rights lawyers
are saying Iran's actions are illegal, armbar pride. Only the U.S. and its allies care.
That's such a funny response. Yeah, famously, Israel and Israel and the United States of
America are famous defenders of international humanitarian laws, dude, famously. For the
past 12 months, I was asleep. I just woke up today. This is the first day. Has anything
anything happen that or was that just like an anti-Semitic attack? I guess that's what happened,
right? Just like the top of the hour ad break is anti-Semitic in terms of my delivery of it.
The IDF says the Israeli Air Force will attack Middle East tonight in a powerful way. Yeah,
I know I might be fed up false information, but it seems like from the interception of Israel,
all of the surrounding countries hates it so bad and attacks the nonstop. So I guess if
Israel took Gaza as a part of the country, it would be even worse because they hate
Israel, when an Asian is at a state like that, wars are kind of inevitable, I think.
Dude, from the inception of Israel surrounding countries, hate it so bad.
Maybe think about that.
Think about it a little bit.
Think about it further.
Like how Israel became a nation state is exactly why a lot of the other countries in the
region think that it is a force of evil in the region.
Israel has given plenty of evidence that, you know, it really, it truly is, yeah, October
7 and October 1st are the only two days on the calendar. I mean, this isn't as big of
a, of a, considering the fact that, considering the fact that, you know, the, the Iranian
retaliation was limited to military targets and other areas not often protected by the
Iron Dome. I don't think that this is going to be considered in the same vein as like October 7th.
Pentagon is going live. State Department is saying the quiet part out loud here.
I see a diplomatic.
Oh yeah, this was crazy. This was a crazy fucking admission for Matt Miller here.
You've never wanted to see a diplomatic resolution with Hamas.
Well, okay. Well, what about the ceasefire?
We wanted to see a ceasefire, but we have always been committed to
to the destruction of Hamas.
We did want to see a ceasefire,
but we have always made clear that we wanted to see
a different authority moving forward in.
That's a crazy admission.
That's a wild thing.
It's not even a fucking slip, by the way.
Also, I forgot to run the three minute abrig.
I'm running it now.
Can you explain why they told him
they're gonna send missiles 12 hours earlier?
They always do.
That last time they telegraphed it even before,
they telegraphed it like seven days ahead
last time they did that.
It's like
It's almost like dude. This is this is how world powers operate. Okay, but even fucking
When Donald Trump dropped the Moab
Okay, I think it was in I think it was in Syria or Afghanistan fucking we've blown we've blown up every goddamn country
when Donald Trump
I've been Afghanistan, even in that situation, there was also some bombing campaigns that
occurred in Syria on positions that were Russian, okay?
They gave prior, they gave prior, like they gave a, they gave, what is the word for it?
I mean, it's de-confliction, but it's not actually de-confliction in this situation.
There's a different term for it.
Like, they always give a heads up.
They give prior notice before they drop bombs in an effort to make sure that American weapons
are not immediately killing, like, another powerful nation's military, okay?
Because accidents do end up happening regardless of the constant back-and-forth communication
among superpowers, even when they're directly at war or sometimes when they're not at
war with one another. Like, heads up is the proper term, buddy. Thank you. Okay. Well,
ultimately, ultimately, everybody, everybody communicates with one another before they
do these kinds of attacks. The only group that doesn't really communicate ahead of time, or, or
gives like, or, or doesn't directly target military capabilities, but claims they're directly
targeting military capabilities, but is actually targeting like densely populated civilian areas
is Israel. That's just the truth. Okay. Because if any other country operated in the same way
that Israel did, considering that our analysis is that Israel is our allies, we know what
it looks like when a country operates in the way that Israel does Russia, you know,
That's it. Russia is the perfect example. Russia is the perfect example of what happens
when a country that is outside of the scope of American influence and power that is a regional
act, there are regional superpower in its own, in the power that it has, when they
operate in a similar capacity to Israel, that is precisely what happens. That is,
You know what happens. We don't have to speculate on the American perspective on the matter.
We saw exactly what happened. The Biden White House is October surprise its own candidate,
a historical first, I think. I don't think it's October surprise if it's not a surprise
at all. You know what I mean? It's October expectation.
Governance of gossip. You never want to see a diplomatic.
feels like 1984 with the way that the wars feel so choreographed and staged real but
no lasting resolution just a war between a few capitals against other capitals is that
right? I mean that's how all wars work, but why does the administration push Israel to
invade Lebanon despite inhibitions by the Pentagon according to Politico? I don't think
they pushed Israel to invade Lebanon. I think they gave the go ahead to Israel in invading
Lebanon. I saw that, have you ever discussed whether you advocate for a two-state or
one-state solution? Now's not the time. Something to note is that Higari just
reported IDF soldiers shot on dozens of suspects which presented a threat in
the central Gaza Strip. Injuries were detected if you want a translation IDF
soldiers most likely masquerade a crowd of random civilians wait for reports
from Gaza. Yeah I saw some movement on that front. I saw some
movement on that front earlier but I'll wait for further confirmation but
like I said that is the expected outcome of all of this is that Israel
as one speed, they'll just go back to, they'll basically go back to punishing people that have
no way of defending themselves. That's the one, that's the one speed they have. Oh yeah,
Netanyahu also obviously got a bump because he gave the Israeli population what they wanted,
escalations in Lebanon. But yeah, here this is US officials quietly back, Israel's
military push against Hezbollah. The officials urged caution and stress the need for diplomacy,
but the timing was right for such a military shift, they concluded.
Senior White House figures privately told Israel that the U.S. would support its decision
to ramp up military pressure against Hezbollah, even as the Biden administration publicly
urged the Israeli government in recent weeks to curtail its strikes, according to American
and Israeli officials.
Presidential adviser Amos Hovstein and Brett McGurk, the White House coordinator
for the Middle East, told top Israeli officials in recent weeks that the U.S. agreed
with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's broad strategy to shift Israel's military
focus to the north of the north against Hezbollah in order to convince the group to engage in diplomatic talks to end the conflict," the officials told Politico.
They also said escalation through de-escalation.
Not everyone in the administration was on board with Israel's shift, despite support inside
the White House.
The officials said the decision to focus on Hezbollah sparked division within the
U.S. government, drawing opposition from people inside the Pentagon State Department
and intelligence community who believed Israel's move against the Iran-backed militia
could drag American forces yet into another Middle East conflict.
Israel spoke to two Israeli and four U.S. officials for the story, most of whom were granted
anonymity to speak freely about sensitive diplomatic talks.
The National Security Council declined to comment.
Danny Dannon, Israel's ambassador to the U.N., declined Monday to comment on private talks
to the Israeli leaders and the U.S. officials when asked about Hoxene and others' exchanges.
We don't always ask for permission for everything we do, he said, of the two countries adding,
I think what they say publicly reflects the goal that they would like to see a diplomatic
solution which we are not against.
to the Iranian Revolutionary Ground Announcements of the Destruction of the Israeli Aerosystems
Radars with 4.1 Hypersonic Missiles in addition to three military bases on the Askor's of Tel Aviv.
Always good to remember U.S. Middle East policies being run by George W. Bush, Iraq guy, Brett
McGurk, and former Israeli soldier, Hoxden. Those are the two top Biden aides that were,
I guess, quietly saying, no, no, no, you have to go ahead, which is why I told
you, which is why I told you that Israel doesn't get to do this stuff without America's
knowledge and without America's go ahead. And sometimes America offers the targets themselves
with their surveillance capabilities. Okay. So when America says like Israel is a sovereign nation,
Israel is a sovereign nation. It's operating on its own territorial boundaries. It's operating in
and with the, it's operating on its own interests
is I think an un-nuanced position.
In mid-September calls and meetings
is really a visual outline broadly
that their military was preparing to make the shift.
They didn't offer details.
Hoxden and McGurk relayed to their Israeli counterparts
that while they still urged a cautious approach,
the timing was likely opportune for such a move,
especially after Hezbollah had been significantly degraded
in the months prior.
It's important to note that while BB himself got a boost in the poll and Likud lead as
the largest party again with 25, the multidigit polling below the threshold in the coalition
stands at 49 mandates.
Reporting here got a little screwed because of the president, the presenter of the poll
for channel 12 was Amit Segal, who's a basically a BB spokesperson.
While Hezbollah had long said it would only engage with Israel, if it reaches
a ceasefire with Hamas militants, it is battling in Gaza, U.S. assessments indicated
at that point that Hamas wasn't likely to agree to a ceasefire deal anytime soon.
that it meant it could be a moment to focus more on Hezbollah alone and to decouple the
two conflicts.
So whenever people tell you like, you know, whenever people bring up like Hassan Asrallah's
background, Hezbollah's actions in Syria, or Hezbollah's actions in his domestic affairs,
right, inside of Lebanon, understand that it has nothing to do with his assassination.
His assassination happened in the hands of the Israeli military in coordination with
American government specifically because he and the Hezbollah forces presented a deterrence and a
threat to Israel's interest in conducting his genocide in Gaza. That is precisely what happened,
okay? It was a big boost for Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet in general. Benjamin Netanyahu's
personal polling in the nation to change trajectory. It silenced any kind of internal
opposition on a ceasefire negotiation. He offered basically like a slab of meat to the Israeli
population by bombing Beirut. Okay. Are you scared? I don't know. I don't know what scared
means at this point. These things are completely outside of our control. There's not really
anything we can do. All we can do is just stand by and watch and try to make sense of all the senseless
bloodshed. But once again, once again, in terms of when we look at the situation that is in front of
us, remember that like the conversation completely took a reset when Israel started
bombing Beirut. All of a sudden, the very same people that were calling me Hamas Abbey are now
calling me Hezbollahby, okay, that I am once again a terrorism supporter and Islamist fundamentalist,
but now for a different group, okay. And that's obviously a hyper personal and very specific
way to analyze the situation, but it also, but you could see similarities with like broad
mainstream reception of Israel's actions in the Western world where immediately
they started running the exact same the exact same contextualization of the
violence these are Hezbollah targets that were blown up no mention or rarely
any mention of the 300 or now 800 plus Lebanese people that were slaughtered
mercilessly in their own fucking apartment buildings in a densely
populated area. No mention of the millions of Lebanese people that had to be displaced
as Israel now is invading another sovereign nation. Okay, why are you making these conflicts
about you? I am using that as a jump off point. It is not to make it about me. And
I literally described how I'm not making about myself at all. I'm using that as a
way to communicate to an audience that comes in here. And here's what I have to say
about these issues, so that it's easily understandable. Okay, I'm trying to make
get more palatable for people, okay? Unless you are completely fucking brain dead, I think
you can understand that. Yeah, a rhetorical device is what I'm doing, is what I'm using
here, okay? And it worked. I mean, it was relatively successful. All things considered.
Here's the press briefing by the White House, by the way.
There are multiple events happening all at once and the president is going to continue
certainly to deal with it.
MR PALLADINO, essentially a follow-up to that question, is the U.S. willing to strike
Iran in response to this?
Are you putting that honor off the table?
MR PALLADINO, well, look, Garnet, again, I don't want to get into hypotheticals.
I think I was very clear at the top that should U.S. forces be targeted by Iran or
its proxies, we'll take necessary steps to defend our people.
And I think we've also been very clear that we're going to support the defense
of Israel.
So I'm not going to get into theoretical or speculative operations at this stage other
than to say, you know, we mean what we say and we say what we mean.
And then what the follow-up question, if Iran claims to have used a new front-up missile,
which is supposed to be a hypersonic ballistic missile, can you assess whether they did use
new and advanced weaponry in this attack and whether they learned from the April attack?
Again, we're still assessing the attack and the outcomes.
And so, you know, we may have more to provide later, but I don't have anything on that right
now.
Dan.
Thanks for your time.
Two questions, please.
On Secretary Austin's statement last night, he referred to being supportive of operations
along the border.
Is he open to Israel using operations on both sides of the border, along the border?
Was a little vague there?
Well, I think I'd go back to how I responded to Joseph, right?
We understand and support Israel's right to defend itself against Hezbollah as we highlighted
in the readout.
We understand that part of that is dismantling some of the attack infrastructure that Hezbollah
has built along the border.
Certainly again, we don't want to see this, you know, broaden into wider regional conflict,
but we understand again that what Israel is doing are limited operations to destroy
that attack infrastructure and then enable citizens on both sides of the border to return
home.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, we do think that a diplomatic resolution is the only
way to achieve lasting stability and security across the Israel-Lebanon border, so we're
going to continue to work to that end.
But we also, again, understand Israel's need to defend itself.
And then a follow, the State Department read out a report on an attack on a diplomatic
facility back at the airport last night.
Have you seen any other attacks on U.S. forces, I guess, since Friday?
This one would seem to be on a diplomatic facility, but be it in the last day, particularly
at this heightened time of tension or just broadly over the last couple of days.
Yeah, as of right now, I'm not aware of any additional attacks.
Thanks, sir.
The Iron Dome, how effective is it against ballistic missiles?
And some of the televised images appeared to show some of them landing on infrastructure.
Are you aware of that?
In general, was this attack more effective than the Iranian attack in April?
Again, understanding that a lot is still very initial.
As I highlighted, initial indications are that there was minimal damage on the ground.
In terms of the specifics, though, I'd have to refer you to Israel really to talk through
that.
And again, as more information comes in, we'll certainly know more.
But the initial assessment is that Israel was able to successfully defend itself,
of course, with the support from the U.S.
And so, again, we may have more later on that.
Ali?
Thanks, Pat.
I just want to be clear, because it seems like it's – we're at a very dangerous time
where any kind of ambiguity from the U.S. could lead to an attack on American troops.
And when you say – I understand when you say that we're going to defend any attack
on American troops.
I also understand that no American – that you said that no American troops were hurt.
So therefore, are you saying the U.S. is not planning on a kinetic strike against
Iran?
We'll stress again that the Hamas-Hazbalah partnership who only started after the second rabbinic mission kidnapped and deported hundreds of
Hamas activists is my honey among them across the Lebanese border in 1994 will also remind people that in 1992 Israel assassinated
Hezbollah General Secretary al-Bas Masawi replaced by Nasrallah shortly after God
It seems like maybe this more force thing is not the solution to literally everything
Yeah, one thing I want to also point out is that this is like they didn't get a lot of coverage
But like Israel obviously doesn't just assassinate
Like the Islamist fundamentalist leading the fucking helm in the resistance group
Okay, a lot of people will be like oh, these are not good guys is on and it's like. Yeah, you want to know why?
Because Israel killed all the fucking good guys that weren't even fighting against Israel like Gaston Kanafini
Who is not even a person that fucking held a weapon at any point and him and his entire family were fucking ruthlessly
slaughtered by Israel Israel also
literally fucking assassinated on the 29th of September multiple PFLP and DFLP
commanders that were not participating in the fucking strikes on northern Israel at
all. They were assassinated because they were Palestinian leaders living in Lebanon and it
didn't even get any fucking trouble. So when people go oh my god why aren't there any like
secular Marxist leaders or whatever it's because Israel kills them all the
fucking time okay the only one the only ones who end up surviving this kind of
shit happened to be some of the some of the biggest fundamentalists you don't
get to choose who gets to resist against incredibly violent increasingly blood
thirsty actions you know as evidenced by this attack you know they certainly
beat coping, holy fucking cope from Hassan.
If your understanding of complex geopolitical things that are happening in real time and
all the death and destruction that is accompanying that in real time is just cope of a Twitch
streamer or something, I don't know what to tell you dude, just open up your fucking
eyes to the reality, you know?
It's weird.
It's a very weird way to look at the interpretive ends.
It's about twice as large in terms of the number of ballistic missiles that they launched
from the last.
Was there intent to actually do damage this time?
Well, you know, look, you don't launch that many missiles at a target without the intent
of hitting something.
So absolutely, just like the last time, their intent is to cause destruction.
And so, fortunately, Israel has very significant air defense capabilities, and the U.S. of
course played a role in helping on that front as well.
Thank you.
Matt.
Thanks, Pat.
You said there's been no new attacks on U.S. forces in the region, but is the Department
tracking a greater threat now to U.S. forces?
And are you taking any extra measures on top of the recent plus ups you've done
for force protection?
Well, Matt, I mean, as you know, we're always taking force protection.
very seriously. We're all very well aware of the heightened tensions in the region,
and U.S. Central Command has been for a long time now constantly assessing and reassessing
the threat to ensure that our forces are protected. Like I mentioned, I'm not aware, as I come
to the podium, I'm not aware of any additional attacks beyond the one that Dan mentioned,
but it's something that will obviously be keeping a close eye on to protect our
forces.
Were there any other nations other than the United States and Israel who took part in intercepting missiles or
Helping to track them or anything like that. Yeah, I don't have anything to provide on that and obviously I wouldn't speak for other countries from here
Yes, sir
Mohan Rabani Trita Parsey Finkelstein another regional experts have said that Israel's bent on war with Iran during the selection cycle and
Biden's lame-duck period I expect they'll take this opportunity to bring that to fruition. Yes
part of the reason I think
that Iran has been
Insanely restrained and this is not just my estimation. I know people will say like oh Hassan you're fucking
Bias in the matter or whatever. This is the estimation of like the American State Department as well in terms of it's like
Iranian retaliation to Israel violating its sovereignty on a regular fucking basis as well
I'll say
I'll say this much. I think it's partially because they don't they did not want
to
hand Benjamin and now who in Israel the thing that they want the most which is
Which is basically
Fuck sorry
I'm all over the place today a lot is going on
Which is basically a war with Iran, okay?
If Iran strikes civilian targets and does like October 7 level damage with hypersonic missiles that obviously are capable of penetrating
uh, arrow one through three, David sling, and the entirety of Israel's, uh, anti-missile
defense systems.
Like if they are able to target a military facility, they're able to fucking hit Tel Aviv.
You understand that, right?
Like, please understand this.
If they are able to hit directly Israeli military facilities that are near Tel Aviv,
that means they can fucking hit Tel Aviv.
That means they can kill civilians in the same way that Israel does on a regular fucking
basis. Okay. Recognize this reality, please. There is a reason why they're not doing that
and targeting military facilities and impacting military facilities instead. Okay. The reason
is because they are still worried about if they kill a bunch of Israeli civilians,
Then the big war, the thing that they're worried about with American military joining the conflict
and greatly escalating it into a regional, full-blown regional war with Iran will occur.
I think that that is partially what Israel wants to do.
That is partially what Israel wants to do, basically.
I think that that's what they've been gearing towards for years and years.
What is this?
Khrushchev didn't want to reveal the nukes in Cuba until after the election because
didn't want the Republicans in because they were more anti-communist with Michigan having
3x the Lebanese population of Palestinians. Is this going to be a cherry on top to losing Michigan?
I don't know. It depends. I wouldn't. The Lebanese situation with respect to Hezbollah is more
complicated than you think. I mean, I think there's plenty of Lebanese people who are
going to be upset that America is allowing Israel to pummel Beirut, but it depends on
on what the demographic makeup looks like.
If it's the Christian Lebanese population, they might not.
They might actually cherish this attack.
You know what I mean?
They might actually think that this was good.
Because once again, they also are not exactly
fond of his beloved.
But the internal Michigan polls look really bad.
My understanding is Michigan was literally morning
of Nasrallah, it's the biggest Shia population in America.
SOOP, Slotkin wanted donors last week,
warned donors last week,
the internal polling for her Senate campaign shows
Vice President Kamala Harris is underwater
in Michigan according to a video clip.
I'm not feeling my best right now
about where we are on Kamala Harris
in a place like Michigan, she said.
Yeah.
The Phoenicians.
But the King Phoenicians spoke on this recently
And he had, it was shocking to hear from, what's his name, Nassim Tlaib.
He was very upset with Israel and he's, Mr. I'm Phoenician, I'm not Arab.
So, you know, Michigan's Lebanese population is larger than its Arab population in general.
I mean, yeah, Nicholas Nassim Tlaib.
I think, I mean, the way I see it is like a lot of, a lot of the Christian Lebanese population
living outside of Lebanon, see their family villages, you know, their, their Christian
homes of their Christian family members also being bombed in the same way with no distinction
between like Shia or Christian or Sunni Muslim Lebanese populations and recognize that
Israel is still in the wrong for doing this and recognize that America is allowing
is real to do all of this. So I suspect that they're probably not too fond of it. It's like
Capri's some poppy's dad comes to mind. You know, the chief of staff, Major General Hersey
Halavi at the end of the situation assessment, we've proved our ability to prevent the enemy
from achieving by combining exemplary civil behavior with a very strong air defense system.
We will choose when to collect the price and prove our precise and surprising attack
capabilities in accordance with the guidance of the political echelon. So it's less about
the platform and it's more about the capability and so again we still maintain a robust capability
to be able to respond to any potential future threats as well. And I just want to follow up
on what Alina was asking, which was important in the sense that I think you said a red line
that if Iran or its forces were to attack US troops, there would be a U.S. force.
I refer my commentary to my Arab Christian friend instead. Okay. I don't know.
Dave Vashroff, he's saying they are bombing the Christian areas right now in Lebanon. It's
flipping people. My far right cousins are now saying, fuck Israel. Keep an eye on. We certainly
hope that there's not another attack. But obviously Iran maintains a capability and it's
just demonstrated that they're willing to use it to directly attack Israel. And so we're going
to continue to consult closely with Israel on next steps and importantly on the defense of
Israel. So it doesn't really matter what your fucking creed or your ethnic background or your
religion is. When someone is blowing your fucking house up, you're probably going to hate that
person. Okay, regardless. You know what I mean? That's it. That's that's that's what I think.
I may be controversial. I don't know. But like, usually when someone is blowing your fucking house
up. You're going to be like, Hey, I no longer feel like my hatred for this other political
group that I have warred against in the past. In the afternoon in orange. We've been here
in the big bad that is blowing my house up currently from the US. We were hearing there
from the Pentagon. That's what having from the State Department and the White House as
as well. Pat Ryder there, the spokesman of the Pentagon was giving in some details of
the U.S.'s awareness, preparedness and involvement in fending off the Iranian attack, which happened
just around three hours ago. Now, a launch of some 300 missiles.
time today. Iran launched nearly 200. State Department, it seems like they don't like it.
I'm shocked to hear from Matt Miller about a bombing campaign. It turns out there is a bombing
campaign that he doesn't like. I didn't realize that that was the case because for the past 12
months he's just been defending all the bombing campaigns in general, so it's shocking.
There are ballistic missiles against a number of targets in Israel.
The United States once again came to Israel's defense against these attacks, just as we
participated in Israel's defense when Iran launched its April 13th attack.
Our initial assessment is that Israel, with direct assistance from the United States and
its partners, was able to successfully defeat this attack.
This was a brazen, unacceptable attack by Iran, and every nation in the world must
join us in condemning it.
President Biden, Vice President Harris and other members of the President's national
security team in monitoring this attack as it was unfolding, as well as our response.
As the President has made clear, our support for Israel's security is ironclad.
I mean, where was this kind of smoke when Israel blew up Beirut, dude?
With American weapons, mind you.
I just, I never saw that.
that happened literally like six days ago seven days ago that's crazy that's actually crazy those
were civilian buildings that they took down you know six of them as wild you will continue to
stand with the people of Israel at this critical moment then starting around 1230 eastern time
today Iran launched nearly 200 ballistic missiles against a number of targets in Israel
The United States once again came to Israel's defense against these attacks, just as we participated
in Israel's defense when Iran launched its April 30th.
Is anything about what is anything Israel has done in the last few weeks escalatory?
But does the administration see anything that Israel has done in the first few months?
The audio is so bad.
certainly they have done things to to expand the conflict but if you look at
the actions that they have taken they were bringing terrorists to justice
terrorists who have oh shit dude goddamn I didn't realize Israel was bringing
terrorists to justice thank God for all the fucking terrorist children they
killed in Beirut you know all of those fucking all of those fucking terrorist
kids. Thank God that they're bringing terrorists to justice. Okay, we've launched attacks on
Israeli civilians. If you look at what Iran did today, we did a warning for some time
about the threat posed by Iran, arming and funding terrorist groups across the Middle East. And
the attack today just demonstrated the danger of those actions. What you saw
with Iran launching a state-on-state attack to protect and defend the terrorist groups that
is built, nurtured, and added controls. So there is a difference between the actions that we have
seen. Israel takes to defend its civilians, and what we see is from Iran taking.
No, we have certainly seen Iran or we certainly seen Israel expand the nature of its attacks.
Yeah, it's not an escalation, it's an expansion. You know, it's even funny,
When are America's trained Lebanese and even armed them?
I know people trained in America to fight terrorists.
Yeah.
I don't think those guys are in his bullah, though.
I think that that's a part of the Lebanese armed forces
that retreated beyond the UN line before Israel invaded
Lebanon.
The irony, of course, is that it's not equivalent,
because once again, it's not equivalent at all.
You want to know why it's not equivalent?
because Israel gets to kill as many civilians as it wants.
Okay, there is an endless appetite
for that kind of destruction.
Okay, Israel can invade whatever country it wants.
Israel can take down as many fucking civilian buildings
in a densely populated area.
Okay, America will always defend it
as you are watching them defend it.
Okay, so of course, any kind of retaliation
that comes back to Israel has to be very calculated
and very careful and even then it will be met
with an incredible escalation.
Against Hezbollah, but is a very different type of attack
than what we saw today from a state after
against another state.
Anyway, pretty sure we were hoping they'd be able
to secure the full coastline much sooner than this.
They didn't wanna have to defend this for a year.
I mean, the, the interesting part about this is that the alternative solution is one that
like the overwhelming majority of Americans want, it's the UN Security Councils, it's
the UN General Assembly's wishes.
Like it's literally the simplest solution, which is to do a ceasefire in Gaza to stop
doing a genocide in Gaza.
It is literally that simple.
Ansarallah has said that they would end the blockade in the Red Sea.
Hezbollah, since October 8, has said that they would no longer be bombing.
They would no longer be bombing Northern Israel if Israel stopped pummeling Gaza.
Everyone has said that, and it's crazy because so did the American government.
The American government has claimed that they want this to happen. The ceasefire, I mean,
I, yeah, this is also here. We found, yeah, I mean, this is from the times of Israel.
We found, we later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all
the civilian hostages in exchange for the idea of not entering the strip of the government
rejected the offer. This is Israel's like a George W. Bush.
We won't negotiate with terrorist moment. You know, sorry, events were set in motion.
We have an appetite for death and destruction.
Of course I reported on it at the time, it doesn't really matter.
And they're going to do what they're going to do, you know, there's nothing you can do
about it.
Not to drag the entire region into a full-fledged, all-out war scenario.
And the second statement considers this attack 90% successful.
This is what we see in the statement.
They say 90% of the missiles have hit their targets in operation that they call true
promise to and the true promise fund refers to the operation that they did in
April in response to another round of hostile behaviors by the Israelis and
also we see in this statement about some details on the be on the nature of this
only weapons used in this attack which is basically a fatah hypersonic let's
say missile that has been used in this attack it is used for the first
time. It was revoked last year by IRGC and now they're just having a real test fire of
that. And they are putting emphasis that they used it to sort of struck three air bases
of the Israelis in which they kept F-35 and F-15 fighters. These fighters were, according
to Iranian reports, used to conduct the attack, the latest attack in which...
I don't know why Israel I I'm gonna be honest with you
I've noticed that you had less Hosbara boss chirping in the chat. Are they on leave right now?
Yeah, maybe they maybe one of the headquarters blew up or something so they don't have the bots
You draw Arab Christians in a bad light there's no beef between Muslims and Christians when it comes to their country or neighbors
Wait, what no dude. No
I'm talking to Americans chatter. Come on
Americans have no way of understanding that like people are not monolithic in the region, okay?
I'm just saying that there are going to be people who I'm saying that there are going to be people
that fucking don't like or if you hear from a Lebanese person that's like no I actually do
appreciate Israel blowing up Lebanon I'm telling them that like there is a likelihood that they
are potentially a Christian Lebanese person of a different mindset, even though that mindset
is now becoming the minority, especially when they have family members that are still in
Lebanon whose family homes are being bombed here.
Destroyers.
Now, the WASP Marine Amphibious Group is in the Eastern Mediterranean.
It has units of highly trained marines and landing ships that can be used as mobile
command centers and as well for evacuation. Three expeditionary wings as well containing bombers,
stealth fighters and fighter jets are based here in Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Q8.
We've also got the US Fifth Fleet based in Bahrain and that operates in the Gulf.
Now its missile cruisers and destroyers are able to shoot down missiles. Let's bring in our
defense editor, Alex Katopoulos, who joins us now. And indeed we did just hear from the
Pentagon saying that two Navy destroyers of the US shot down some of these latest ballistic
missiles that were sent from Iran. Yes, that's right. They said they launched 12 interceptors
towards the missiles. How many of them intercepted those missiles? We don't know, but even if
all 12 of them destroyed Iranian missiles, there was still. It seems to me like hypersonic
missiles have been a real game changer in the way that conflicts occur around the
world by the way. It seems to me like the defense capabilities are nowhere near matched with the
offensive capabilities when hypersonic missiles are in play.
It has vast amounts of money poured into it both from Israel and from the United States
but it's proven technology it's only just come into existence in the last few years.
It's very tricky.
I need to remind people, okay, I need to remind people of something.
I need to remind people of something.
If they have the capability of striking targets inside of Tel Aviv,
inside of the entirety of the Israeli defense capabilities,
that means they have the capabilities of targeting,
you know, blocks of crowded residential buildings.
The reason why they are not doing that matters, okay?
you must understand why they are not doing that.
Okay, look, like this is literally in the outskirts,
the northern outskirts of Tel Aviv.
This is Eric Toller of the New York Times.
An Iranian missile exploded near the Mossad headquarters
located on the northern outskirts of Tel Aviv,
rough map of the video's perspective
in approximate site of explosion.
They are still refusing to hit direct, like, crowded civilian areas and keeping their strikes
to military targets.
Okay?
Israel has significantly better targeting capabilities than Iran does, because Israel flies their
planes and drops bombs directly on targets.
is blowing up areas where there are no anti-air defense systems. Okay? Iranians are not using
F-15 fighter jets and flying directly over Israeli airspace and targeting these fucking
areas in the same way. And even then, even then, despite the limitations of their targeting
capabilities, they're still showcasing their ability to penetrate the iron dome. They're
showcasing their ability to cut through Israeli air defenses. This is significant. That is
the message here. Small scale rockets, it's at that lower level, which is, yeah, small
scale rockets, katooshas, these sorts of things that fight in barrages. Then you have
the next layer that will deal with more medium range missiles and that's the
Barak-8 which is the Israeli version of the Patriot actually supposedly better
than the Patriot system and then the age of stuff coming over from Iran in this
case. So I would have thought a lot of Arrow-3 missiles and Barak-8 missiles
would have been fired into service. This would have been these top two tiers of
Israel's multi-layered air defense systems that would have gone into
action. Fascinating stuff. Very good to get your analysis and your insights there
on the actual military capability of Israel, which is huge, especially when
coupled with the U.S.'s in the region. Benny, thanks, Alex. Well, there have been
scenes of celebrations across Gaza and, indeed, in other places across the
Middle East in response to the Iranian missiles fired at Israel. People in
Gaza came out onto the streets as the must missiles were seen flying
over head going into Israel.
Tarek Abba-Zoom is in Dar al-Balla for us in Central
Guard. He's joining us now on the phone. Tarek, talk us
through the atmosphere there in Dar al-Balla.
Why would Iran show restraint when Israel is escalating?
Well, Israel didn't. Like, Israel also had a relatively
restrained approach after the first Iranian retaliation.
So that's probably their expectation.
provocative attacks on Lebanon and Iran, including the latest assassination of Hamas's top leader,
Ismail Haneer, and the assassination of Hezbollah's top leader, Haqqan al-Masrallah. So people
of Skarva generally saw the Iranian ballistic missiles from these separate areas in the
strip flying over Gaza, hitting it is very hard to believe the civilian, the civilian
children that have been fucking blown to bits for the past 12 months were celebrating the
occupation, incurring any penalty whatsoever. That's shocking to me. How uncivilized of
them on Israel. And I need to point out that following the Iranian retaliation Israeli
fight again. How dare they? In Gaza, we're mobilized and started to design in a very low
altitude and slow over the sky of the Gaza Strip as a part of the preparation against any possible
military move might be taken by Hamas or any Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip.
They attacked, in fact, in the last couple of hours. Anyone's moving close to Nazarene
Corridor. And there was more growing state developed from the Israeli occupation.
It's because they're, it's, I think they're celebrating because they're anti-Semitic and they hate the most moral army
and the most, uh, most moral, the only democracy in the world, honestly.
That's what it is, I think.
More huge Israeli response to that attack, which can really give a police sign that the entire region
or is it a nice age that can lead to a variant of all outfall in the entire area here?
Yeah, I mean, it is clear that Israel has been carrying out intimidating actions over Gaza.
Don't the civilian population of Gaza know that Israel is carrying out a genocide in the most
moral ways possible? It's shocked, horrified at the display.
Attacks are going on. Estrikes are going on on Gaza on a daily basis. The casualty
numbers are huge there 41,600 people killed in a year of fighting. I suppose with the war now
broadening out into Lebanon with it potentially broadening even further as you say into a regional
event to the people of. This is wild. Palestinians in Ramallah are posing for selfies on an Iranian
missile. That's crazy. Dude, they got they got nothing else going on, you know.
Now, is there a so team to transfer the center of a gravity to the northern
front, especially to borders with Lebanon in order to just take Lebanon as a proper
distraction of what's going on here in this trip as we have been observing in the course
of the past few weeks that there has been no significant change in the Israeli military
strategy. There have been a very remarkable escalation in such attacks. For example, today
they have been hitting El Mawasi area alongside with a number of residential homes that were
completely hit down across the street. Day by day, the humanitarian situation is much
video from Palestine of a man lying in a cigarette with a fire on the dead end, we have Iranian missiles
here that the Israeli army is so keen to grow in the course of the fighting for multiple purposes
bro, okay, these dudes are, okay, this is, this is from Jordan
oh it's not, oh it's from Jordan
That's insane dude. Cancer? I mean that's double cancer I think at that point but I don't think that motherfucker gives you shit dude.
Iran also hit inside the Netzadeem. Wait really?
A video I documented a short while ago from the northern Gaza Strip showing Iranian missiles
falling on the Netsudim axis in the central Gaza Strip and violent explosions occurring.
I mean I don't know if this is confirmed or not.
As an old video people claim he's Jordanian.
Son you were all right about it.
It's like post 9-11 hysteria in the news.
Yes.
Just another day in the life in it.
Yeah just dudes being dudes man.
from Jordan and he lit his smoke with it because that was the booster and the rocket was blessed.
This one stay on the specific update. A missile fell between the homes in a Palestinian
village in the Israeli occupied West Bank but it appears that it didn't explode according to the
residents. For as all Hawari residents said he didn't hear a blast. It sounded like something
heavy fell out of the sky but there was no boom. Hawari 27 said interview from the village
I assume that some of their missiles failed.
I don't suspect that this was...
I'm not educated on this, but where does it go from here?
Is it really bad? I mean, it's really bad already.
I don't know. I don't know what to say.
It's a large-scale attack.
Of over 180 Iran launched a large-scale attack.
Of over 180 ballistic missiles.
Directly from Iranian soil at the state.
at the State of Israel.
There were a small number of hits in the center of Israel and some other hits in the southern
Israel.
The majority of the incoming missiles were intercepted by Israel and the defensive coalition
led by the United States.
Iran's attack is a severe and dangerous escalation.
There will be consequences.
defensive and offensive capabilities are at the highest levels of readiness. Our operation...
Oh, Elant says that's an E-MAT ballistic missile. The warhead is detached.
Oh, so that was like the booster that fell. Absolute demolition of the Tefnop airbase
near Tel Aviv. Jesus fucking Christ. Elant, is this correct? Does this look right to you?
Elant news
This right here
You said you added the earlier question
Yeah, the idea that 99% of missiles were intercepted is also fucking insane like that is just I'm sorry
But that's just straight-up propaganda. I think I
Mean that's like like we have seen more than
two missiles
strike
Direct Israeli targets at this point
point. So if there's more than two or three missiles that you have seen, then they did
not intercept 99%. Okay. 180 missiles. They've definitely, they've definitely struck more
than, you know, three times. Okay. They shot 180 missiles. They didn't shoot 180,000.
Yeah. There were impacts near net sitting for sure. Possibly tell not, but these could
be in open areas near the runway. Isn't there secondary impact though? Like secondary
explosions maybe not that seems like a different missile it's gonna take a while
for us to whoa it's gonna take a while for us to fully understand the scope of
the damage but so far what we know is important to remember arrow also predicts
where missiles will land like iron dome so won't intercept falls in open
areas I think they're just more impacts yeah it's not secondary I think
it is different impacts.
Yeah, I think I heard on Israeli TV
that the number of intercepts won't be shown.
I think I heard on Israeli TV that the number of intercepts
is not to be shown publicly due to strategic reasons
or whatever, I don't know where they heard the 99% stat,
maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, no, they will not tell people
what the actual assessment of the damage is.
It is not in their strategic interest to do so
because once again, if military targets were struck
and military hardware was destroyed, okay,
there are ways of finding that out.
Eric Tolar and other people at the visual investigations team
at the New York Times and visual forensics
at Washington Post will scour through all of this data
and they will find this information, okay.
Having said that, however,
the Israeli government won't openly admit that.
The reasons for why they won't openly admit that is because that means that there were
obviously missiles that were not intercepted, that hit targets directly.
If Iran has the capabilities of piercing through all of Israeli's anti-missile systems,
okay, why would you trust the Neuron Times?
There are definitely still journalists I trust at the Neuron Times.
times, okay? Don't be ridiculous. What do I always tell you? New York Times might be biased
and wants to do the bidding of America's State Department interest, but they still
also have a responsibility to come across as an impartial observer, and they still have to have
the veneer of objective reporting. They will not have credibility if it is, if they don't have that.
Lamau, okay dude. There is on his rag. Lamau, okay dude. All right, well, I guess you know better
than I do on this. You're right. I should just stop using New York Times for coverage. Thank you,
enchilada. It's children are injured and dying. What the fuck? This is horrific. What are you
talking about like if you're meaning Gaza yes or in Lebanon yes but if you're
talking about Israel no such reporting has taken place thus far we're told a
major escalation the damage the casualties certainly could have been far
worse Israel says it will respond escalation is a permanent outbreak
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The thinking is very likely yes and the question becomes what exactly in Iran and how extensively.
You'll remember in April following Iran's previous missile and in that case it was also a drone
attack. Israel did respond, though, with only one missile strike on one installation near
Isfahan, which is the site of one of the nuclear facilities, but on a missile defense
battery there. This response, given the size of this attack, is likely to be larger.
The question really is where, how extensively, and the biggest burning question I would
would say, Jake, would be, do Israel's targets include Iran's nuclear facilities?
Because that would be quite an escalation and one that you, well, listen, in the cycle
that we've been locked in for some time, one that you would expect Iran to then retaliate
in kind.
Yeah.
I also think a big question out there is, what is the U.S. going to do?
The U.S. government warned before the attack that the attack would carry, quote, severe
consequences for Iran if they actually carried it out.
What are you hearing about a possible United States response?
So, the U.S. response to the April attack was sanctions, a favorite tool of this administration,
both for Iran, for Russia, for China.
When Pentagon spokesperson was asked repeatedly, would there be a U.S. military response, personally
I find that unlikely that the U.S. would militarily respond.
The U.S. footing has been defend Israel certainly in missile attacks, back in most circumstances
Israel's right, certainly to defend itself in all circumstances, but back Israel's ability
to strike back with some caveats and some encouragement not to escalate.
But I think a U.S. participation in an Israeli strike on Iran in particular is highly unlikely
because the U.S. goal throughout the last almost 12 months now, since October 7th, has been
to try to keep this war from expanding and cajoling all the sides, and not just Israel,
cajoling Iran, sometimes the intermediaries, to prevent a further escalation.
So, you know, is it further sanctions?
A military strike on Iran seems far-fetched.
Are they hearing us?
All right, Jim Shudo in Tel Aviv, Israel.
Thank you so much.
Let's bring in Lieutenant Colonel Nadav Shashani.
He's a spokesperson for the Israeli military.
Thank you so much for joining us.
What can you tell us about the scope of Iran's attack today?
Do you expect more strikes?
And do you have any reports on casualties?
Well, Jake, thanks for having me.
Approximately at 7.30 local time,
Iran carried out an attack of 180 ballistic missiles from Iranian soil towards Israel,
basically sending the whole of Israel into bombshells.
He was talking about almost 10 million people running to bombshells to find I am currently
in the scene.
One of the places where shrapnel from these huge ballistic missiles hit.
And I can tell you, our aerial defense system, alongside with our partners, the U.S.
And other allies were able to support most of the missiles, but not all of them.
There have been some hits in central Israel and some hits in southern Israel.
And this is one of the largest and most outrageous attacks by this Iranian terror regime, dragging
the region into wider escalation, trying to push us into a wider escalation with this
unprecedented attack against Israel.
What can you tell us about how Israel is going to respond?
Well, Israel is a sovereign country.
We have our right to defend ourselves.
We have the right to protect ourselves against these kinds of attacks, and there will be
consequences to this attack.
And we showed just a few days our ability to strike precisely and fiercely 1500 miles
from Israel when we attacked the Houthis in Yemen, and we have the abilities to.
We will choose the time in place and the way we will response to this
Directly a ripoff of the Iranian retaliation statement ahead of time
They literally said the exact car. What can you tell us about any casualties?
They just keep going tit for tat on this where they're like the Iranian regime will be like design his entity has
Violated our sovereignty. We're a sovereign nation. We will choose the time and place in and retaliating kind. It's
Well, this large scale attack happened just recently. We're still assessing the situation.
I tell you in the moment we know of-
Son, don't worry, the Rockers didn't take out this chatter. My family and I are safe.
I will come into the stream for the protest next week just for you over for the Tel Aviv.
In the area.
Good luck, chatter. I heard that your government literally made it illegal to have
any kind of gatherings that are over a thousand people. So I wonder why the Israeli government
made such a decision after bombing Beirut. Perhaps it suits a very important goal for
the Israeli government. I mean, good luck. Good luck to you. Good luck to you, chatter.
It's definitely not looking too great. But as far as I understand, they have decided,
and I'm just a visitor. Well, you know, still good luck, be safe. But yeah, like I said,
the Israeli government has decided that you cannot have gatherings of over, I think 1000
with someone in the chest at 300. Now, yeah, it's probably just a public safety concern,
nothing else, no like ceasefire hostage release protests or anything like that.
According to what the political echelon decides. And there will be consequences to this
outrageous attack by Iran. This escalatory historic move by Iran, there will be escalations
to that. We will respond, and we will choose the time and place to respond precisely, but
fiercely.
First map I've seen confirming their strife, I've heard analysts say that Iran does not
actually want to escalate matters. And the proof of that, according to this argument,
I am not making is that be afraid casualties are so low and so few of these missiles hit
respond to that analysis. If you would, well, Jake, the amount of bullets, I'm talking one
bullet to miss lots and take down a skyscraper. We're talking about 180. So why didn't they
hit any side skyscrapers? Why did they? Why did the fucking impacts only occur on
military bases? Then I don't know. I think this is a meant, this is a statement
to be like listen we can't talk about the catastrophic is one
the people of israel
hiding in shelters for over an hour into this
uh... presentation of aerial defense by israel and the u.s
i think one of the most advanced
i don't want to come up with the link in the world
uh... and still there were uh... hits in israel we're still set in the
situation
so people were injured people were killed by this attack
you do not do an attack that is not
an escalatory move with a hundred and eighty ballistic missile
i'll tell you this
no other country the world would accept
and ballistic missiles
uh... and i can't imagine anyone taking a hundred and eighty uh... ballistic
missiles
uh... uh... to our bro no country in the middle east would accept it yet no
shit
that's kind of the point that's literally the point of the retaliation
exactly
but what do you mean
that's literally that's a great assessment thank you general
thank you uh... with a noticeable wisconsin accent over here but uh...
burton farm
uh... in the early in the
idea of international spokesperson uh... lieutenant colonel nadov shoshani
thank you so much for appreciate it
thank you lieutenant
carnal and i don't really do your rear-admiral from the staff of our
secretary of defense here in the united states for senator uh... from the
way i want to go on secretary con
once we know the full scale of the damage in israel
uh... how involved do you expect the united states to be in whatever comes
next. Well it all depends on how the Israelis bring us into their planning. The
by-demonstration apparently was caught by surprise in terms of the attack in
the elimination of Nisrallah. I think that the president probably expressed his
concern about that. Yeah, I'm noticing something here. Did CNN have like like
any Lebanese militants or Hezbollah spokespersons or any Lebanese people
that were directly impacted by the attack to be like, Hey, this is unconscionable because
I don't remember that. Maybe I'm wrong. If anything, they had like Lebanese Americans
that were like, no, this was super sick. Actually, I work for the CIA and as a Lebanese man,
I think it's great that Israel blew up Beirut. So it was weird. It's just strange to me
that I don't know, just strange to me that the dynamic is very different here.
they hadn't responded and now look weak as they have.
So I think that these are terrible.
OK.
Before I began, I wanted to say a few words about a racist attack
on Israel today.
They just cut him directly.
My direction, the United States military,
actively supported the defense of Israel.
And we're still assessing the impact.
But based on what we know now, the attack
pairs have been defeated and ineffective.
And this is testament to Israeli military capability
and US military.
I'm also a testament to an intensive planning between the United States and Israel to anticipate
and defend against the crazy attack we expected.
Make no mistake, the United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel.
And I just got a brief start to morning and part of the afternoon in the situation room
and meeting with our whole national security team and consulting with the Israelis indirectly
in terms of their impact on us.
And the NASA security team has been, as I said,
constant contact with their officials and their counterparts.
And they're going to continue to be brought to me
throughout the day.
We're still out to share updates.
And when we get them, we will do that.
And now I want to turn to what we're going to talk much
today, the damage done by this horrible hurricane.
My top priority is defending Israel.
All right, President Biden there talking about what happened there.
He said my top priority is defending Israel, OK?
Sucks to suck, hurricane victims.
Back to get him to Secretary Cohn.
I'm so sorry.
We got preempted there by rolling tape from the White House.
But there you have President Biden commenting on what happened.
US officials, as you know, have been pushing a ceasefire.
but it does not seem like those efforts have come to fruition in any way.
You alluded to the fact that planes were in the air before the Israeli...
Times of Israel says that they didn't give a prior warning. No, they did,
but I think the prior warning was not communicated like hours ahead of time or days ahead of time,
like the last time. This time it was very quick. That was different.
that things can be also what do you mean that they didn't give prior warning
Biden just said we knew that this was coming like what do you mean it is such
a bad look to be defending attacks on civilians and as well the barbaric
enemy is targeting actually military asses what in the actual fuck dude wait
what I can't tell what you're trying to say here you could literally be this
could be in defense of Israel or against Israel actually kind of it's
such a it's such a crazy situation because like I just genuinely don't
understand.
I think seriously, but whether now it was a time to launch a military attack against
the Iranians.
We'll have to wait and see.
I think that's what's going to happen, but still.
Please have him interrupt me any time in the future.
But I think he's absolutely right to say that we need to be in very close touch with
the Israelis at this point.
No more surprises.
We need to be in full consultation and part of any operation that might involve
the United States being attacked, either our soldiers and airmen over in the region or
possibly if Iran should strike here in the United States through asymmetric means, through
acts of terror in soft targets in Europe, in the United States and elsewhere.
So we have to be very concerned about that.
Former Defense Secretary and Maine Senator William Cohen, always an honor to have you
on the show, sir.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Jake.
Much more ahead on the break.
I want to cover, I want to cover something else that I also predicted for you guys that
I told you would be a very significant here as senior fellow at CI center for international
policy Institute, uh, see not to see here is what they, here is what he is reporting.
And this is yet another fucking thing that I told you, uh, I'm just going to say it
again, multiple IRGC affiliated Iranian outlets and telegram channels are reporting
that Iran has warned the United States. If you target our refineries, we will set fire to the
refineries and oil fields across the entire region, including those in Saudi Arabia,
Azerbaijan, Kuwait, the UAE, and Bahrain. If you recall, I told you over and over again,
the real reason why America does not want to go into full-blown conflict with Iran,
despite Israel's wishes is because it would destabilize the entire planet. The nothing ever happens Andes
obviously get to say that comfortably from the heart of America, from the Imperial Corps,
because nothing happens to them. Things are happening all the time. Things are happening
to your loved ones if you have loved ones in, if you have loved ones in the region. Things are
are happening all the fucking time escalating in a rapid clip. But when people say nothing
ever happens, they just mean nothing happens to Americans and American interest. Now this,
this would be something happening to American interest because the moment that you have,
and I, and I told you this over and over again, the moment that you have Saudi oil refineries
on fucking fire and they have hit them before, which was part of the reason why Saudi
Arabia was like, please, let's not go to war with Yemen any longer. We are actually
down to no longer genocide Yemen we were sorry you know remember when the formula one was happening
in Saudi Arabia and you could see the oil refiner is on fire in the background they don't want that
to happen ever again okay because when that happens when that happens something does happen
to America okay when oil refineries are on fire when oil refineries get caught on fucking fire
all of a sudden the entire economy that runs on petroleum implodes. I don't know if I'm just
stupid or what, but I legitimately don't understand why Biden is saying we fully, fully, fully support
Israel. Do they not realize the position might lose the election? Some things are more important
than the election, my friend. Israel warned Iran before today's attack and they would
respond to any hit on Israeli territory. Israel specifically said it would directly hit Iran's
nuclear oil facility or oil facilities according to Arab officials, by the way.
Iran gave Arab allies warning ahead of attack in response Israel promised retaliation.
Iran telegraphed two Arab officials in the region on Monday night that it was going to
launch an attack on Israel that would be similar in its scale to its April attack
when it launched their drones of ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel but caused
minimal damage. Israel sent clear messages back to Iran that it would respond to
any hit on Israeli territory, no matter how small or large, and that it didn't
matter if there were casualties or not, Israel specifically said it would directly hit Iran's
nuclear or oil facilities.
So when people say Iran did not telegraph ahead of time that they were going to attack, you're
wrong.
Iran notified Russia and the US before launching the missile attack on Israel as senior Iran
individual tells Reuters that Iran had informed Russia ahead of missile attacks on
Israel.
The US was alerted by Iran through diplomatic channels shortly before the attacks.
This is what I told you as well.
No, Yove Galan is not dead, man.
Come on, come on.
I don't think he's dead, okay?
Please.
So America will, just like they have in the past,
say that Iran did not actually say
that they gave prior warning.
The difference in this circumstance,
as opposed to the previous retaliation from Iran,
is that the prior warning came with a much shorter
with a much shorter headway, okay?
This once again, considering that it was not civilian,
like residential buildings targeted,
was most likely to also flex to say we have the methods
and the means to strike inside of Tel Aviv,
to strike around, in or around civilian areas.
Okay.
Usually Iran threatened into the U.S.
with a destruction of oil refineries.
Yes, that's what I was,
that is what I'm literally looking at right now.
They leaked this to Thomas Friedman,
update as predicted below Iran launched
several hundred ballistic missiles at Israel
beginning at around 12 30 p.m. Eastern time.
We may be about to enter what would be the most dangerous
moment in the history of the modern Middle East,
a ballistic missile war between Iran and Israel,
which would almost certainly bring in the United States
on Israel side and could culminate
a full blown U.S. Israeli effort
to destroy Iran's nuclear program.
That is the assessment I've gleaned
from talking to Israeli intelligence sources
whose analysis that Iran plans to launch
missile attack against Israel at 12 30 PM Eastern time, which is seven 30 PM in Israel. The
attack is planned in two waves of 15 minutes apart and each wave will involve 110 ballistic
missiles. The Israeli said they hit 180 instead. That is fucking nuts that Thomas Friedman
knew about it.
The Iranian missiles are aimed at three targets. First, the headquarters of the Mossad, Israel's
foreign intelligence service near Tel Aviv. Second, the Israeli air base at Neva team.
And third, the Israeli air base at Katsirim. Both bases are in the south of Israel in
the negative desert. The Israeli officials are particularly concerned about any strike
on the Assad headquarters because it is in the densely populated North Tel Aviv suburb
of Ramat Hasharon. It is also not far from the Israeli Defense Intelligence Court headquarters,
Unit 8200. This information has been shared with me because the Israelis insist they
do not want a full-scale ballistic war with Iran and want the United States to try
to deter the Iranians by letting them know that if they do launch this missile
attack, the United States will not be a bystander, and its response, unlike with the April 13th
Iranian missile and drone attack on Israel, will not be purely defensive.
In other words, Iran could be risking its entire nuclear program if this missile attack
goes ahead.
Once again, I have to reiterate my firmly held position that it is not an October
surprise if a dumbass like me can figure out that this is going to inevitably happen
with almost direct accuracy.
The accuracy that Thomas Friedman is also demonstrating here, even though Thomas Friedman
literally has insider information. Okay. I am an outsider in every way, shape, and form.
If I told you that this was going to happen months ahead of time, if left unrestrained,
which the Biden administration literally fucking did, okay, then everyone who is infinitely
more intelligent than myself and have access to the actual fucking data on the ground
in real time probably also knew that this was coming it blows my fucking mind that those
uh you know calmer heads in uh american media on the other hand all my fucking god calmer minds
in american media okay are shocked at this very predictable very obvious retaliation
I need you to understand this is not like an incredible prediction whatsoever. It is actually the expected outcome
Okay
Israel has rampaged throughout the Middle East and on the assumption that Washington will not impose any restraints on its conduct during a presidential election campaign
Iran appears to have calculated the US aversion to body bags during the final source of the election campaign
Gives it the freedom to deter Israel Israel will now act to ensure further escalation prove Iran's assumption wrong and in the process give
Trump a much-needed electoral boost for their part, Biden and Harris will eagerly walk into
a no-win situation.
This assessment for Mohan Rabani is, once again, exactly what I fucking said months ago, literally
months ago.
There are tweets that you can find of mine months ago saying, hey, guys, perhaps it's
That's not the best idea to leave a genocidal apartheid state unrestrained in the region as
they consistently say they're in the tank for Donald Trump very openly and that they will
absolutely, they will absolutely draw the United States into war if left unrestrained.
That is the goal here, okay?
It was pretty obvious to be honest, no offense, I agree, I agree with you.
I don't think that this is a particularly brilliant insight, okay?
Prepping the international community.
Israeli Foreign Minister, Israel Kotz instructed Israel's, by the way, he's a real
fucking freak.
Um, uh, instructed Israeli ambassadors around the world to convey a message that
the heads of state that in their host countries, that Israel will respond to
the Iranian attack with severity and will protect the citizens.
According to a senior foreign minister official, I think they're probably
going to try to hit like, uh, nuclear facilities or oil refineries.
I do not know what Iran will do in retaliation to that, but Iran has also said, if you do,
if you do strike Iranian refineries or Iranian nuclear capabilities, we will strike back.
We will light the entire fucking region on fire.
Oh, my fucking lord, former Israeli ambassador to the US on CNN Israel must attack and the
land of Israel to ensure that the Jewish people would never be subject again to
precisely this type of attack.
Bro.
way. This is like, in some ways, I think we get duped by the suit in tie and the expertise
being demonstrated and display and also the fact that they're on CNN, right? They got the
skyscrapers in the background. Like they look a certain way, right? On CNN. So we don't
understand that like this is just as psychotic as like a QAnon Trump supporter. Okay. But
And just because this guy has all of his teeth and is using like Washingtonian speak, does
not change the reality that the blood lust is damn near identical to a hysterical Springfield
Ohioan turning around and you're being like, Oh, there's them Haitians are eating the
cats and dogs.
We must do something about it.
Okay.
Just understand that this is still barbarism in display.
Okay.
Just because it's an old white man and we're conditioned into assuming that old
white men are actually the smart experts in the field, should not change your calculation
whatsoever. When this guy goes on television and says it is in our DNA, we have to strike
back as the former Israeli ambassador to the United States, we have to fucking pummel
it wrong. Okay. They are not thinking ahead. Okay. It's just pure bloodlust. It is pure
barbarism to defend the people and the land of Israel to ensure that the Jewish
people would never be subject again to precisely this type of attack.
And this goes to the DNA of the Jewish state.
Someone find the oldest tweet I have on the matter or a clip.
I don't know where little bear is today, but I'm sure you can, you can find one where
I was like, it is definitely very dangerous to let Israel, even if you are a bloodless,
soulless electoral calculator
you should understand that even from the election
even from the the perspective of like
the election it is definitely dangerous to leave israel unrestrained without
packing up a ceasefire agreement immediately
per month
per month we've been saying this
Israel will have to respond just as it responded to the attacks on October 7th to the 11 months of shelling from Hezbollah in the north.
Israel will respond and respond forcibly against Iran and Israel has capabilities and capabilities that are conventional, I must say, that it has not used.
I want to call your attention to the operation that eliminated Mr. Hassan Asrallah before several days ago in which many Israeli planes dropped bombs,
about 2,000-pound bombs that cut through many, many yards of concrete.
Now, we don't have strategic bombers like the United States have that can bomb, you know,
from 50,000 feet in the air with 50,000 bombs.
We have a lot of fighters, F-15s, F-16s, F-35s that conduct successive bombing sorties
that can cut through concrete.
And how does someone find that exactly from the hundreds and hundreds of hours you stream?
have loremasters in the chat that clip stuff when I make predictions ahead of time so they
can deploy it but here here's one even if the Dems don't care about the morality of the
genocide not halting weapons transfers the force Israel to ceasefire is insane Dems are
leaving themselves at the mercy of an Israeli Trump BB who literally loves Trump he will
give Dems an October surprise with war I just need you to understand okay no matter
what my fucking haters say I've been telling you ahead of time over and over again I've
been telling you ahead of time over and over again that this is going to happen that you
can't even call it an October surprise because it is an October expectation yeah this was
a fantastic gem thank you gay merchant to answer the question on everyone's minds
No, Joe Biden does not have a doctor in foreign affairs. He's just that fucking good
Yeah, it's just an October inevitability or an October promise
At that point. All right. Here is what BB said. Here's what Satan yahoo said is really Prime Minister
Benjamin Satan yahoo Iran made a big mistake tonight and it will pay for it
The regime in Iran does not understand our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate against our enemies
Sinwar and Dave did not understand this. Nasrallah and Mohsen did not understand this.
And there are probably those in Tehran who do not understand this. They will understand.
We will stand by the rule we have established. Whoever attacks us, we will attack him. What
will be Turkey's role in this? Come on, man. There are, there are Turkish chatters that
have been chirping and they're like, damn bro, if there's a regional war, they said
they're going to strike everywhere in the Middle East. Are they going to strike
I was like, no, man, don't worry.
Those pipelines are still fucking giving Israel energy.
Okay.
When it comes down to it, Turkey is at the table.
If not the table, just not in the direction that Chatter's wish Turkey was at the
table.
Okay.
Israeli police has 60 people killed and 10 others were wounded in the shooting
attack in the city of Jaffa in central Israel on Tuesday.
What is this?
Biden's unconditional support to Israel gave all the confidence to a corrupt fascist madman
like Bibi to broaden the conflict and never to draw the U.S. in Israel struck Beirut and
then the Iranian consulate compounded Damascus.
We should have put an end to this a long time ago, April 13th, 2024, arrived at really
solid positions overall with one obvious glaringly obvious weakness, which is Israel,
which is just like standing there waiting to be the October surprise that is not even a
fucking surprise.
It's like everybody knows that Benjamin Indian was in the tank for Donald Trump and is getting
increasingly more unhinged every single fucking day.
And like not trying to put forward, not trying to put forward like Web of Trace versus
a condition in an effort to curb Israel back, like in an effort to rein Israel in
is basically just allowing them to run the table
yeah yeah
and it yet like
their calculations are low for the clinton we say like
you know weapons will never be conditioned
maybe they won't try to fuck us in october and it's like they're probably
gonna do that anyway
i would assume i don't know if they're
so to those who are like
shocked by today's events
just remember that
for months and months and months.
Damn, you must be incredibly smart
to see something coming
that the entire State Department missed.
Exactly, they did not.
Obviously I'm not smarter and they did not miss this.
They know they just don't care.
The problem is I think they are still short-sighted.
They're near-sighted.
I think that they are too heavily invested
in short-term benefits for their regional ally
making as much territorial acquisition
as they possibly can engage in
before it just inevitably goes away.
They're too hyper-focused on short-term gains
for the military-industrial complex.
They're too hyper-focused on letting Israel rain bloodshed
upon the entire region.
I think that they are blinded.
They are delusional.
There are definitely people in the state department who recognize this reality and go, we have
to do something about this.
But at the tippy top are people who are just refusing to hear any fucking reason.
Okay.
They are refusing to hear any reason whatsoever.
Yeah.
We should have put an end to this a long time ago.
Hassan the Hun at 413 2024.
guy literally just said I'm Adolf Hitler for saying we have to stop the modern version
of Adolf Hitler. That's awesome. Like when when we make an assessment of the Nazi regime
and how insane they were especially towards the end and like all of the tactical mistakes
that they engaged in. Like I'm sure there were, I'm sure there were fucking reasonable people
even in that mania that were like, Hey, maybe it's not the best idea. Like we love the genocide,
but perhaps it's not the best idea to like invade Russia, right? You know, let's not
expand further and further. But of course, of course, in a similar capacity right here,
I mean, there were fucking generals that were also literally Nazis who were awful monstrous pieces of shit that tried to fucking assassinate all that.
You know what I mean?
The point is
The point is
I think
I think that these people are nearsighted in the in the sense that they think
that America can keep up this unlimited support to Israel
without incurring severe penalties
as the
primary partner, okay?
It was another very difficult night for Israel.
Of course we saw a similar attack in April
but this felt like there was less notice and
we could see it in the night sky raining over Israel.
Indeed, Yalda, it was unprecedented attack
against Israel. You know, for years, Albanians were playing the game
hiding behind their proxies. But now all masks are off. You know, they send hundreds of ballistic
missiles into civilian population. They are not hiding their intentions. I can tell you
one thing. We will retaliate. It will be painful. We will not sit idly by when a state is
attacking, a terror state like Taiwan is attacking our civilians.
Ambassador, do you think, you know, it's clear that you're going to retaliate. The
the United States says that there is going to be consequences, but in April you retaliated
as well. Are you saying that this one's going to be bigger?
Well, we cannot get accustomed to the situation where Iran is sending hundreds of ballistic
missiles into our country. You know, even when you look at the history of the blitz
of London, you haven't seen the number of missiles flying into a capital city
or a state. So we have to take different measures. As we speak, the cabinet is discussing
those issues and I'm sure that it will be felt very soon. At the same time, I have called
the Security Council to convene an emergency session here at the United Nations to condemn
the aggression of Iran.
There's one problem, and this is a pretty significant one that I hadn't even thought
about before. With the exception of the Ayatollah, there isn't really a khah sound that you can make
for Iran. Because you have the Khuthis in Yemen, you have Hezbollah in Lebanon, and you have
Khamaas in Gaza. But it doesn't really, like you can't really hit that khah in the beginning,
You have to have a ha in the beginning. So maybe you can say like Ayatollah how many but
But like that's it. You know what I mean? You can say Tehran, but
It just doesn't hit the same. You know the ha has to be in the beginning
So how are they gonna do that? How?
Your imagination is limited sir
Iran
Pamela Harris is live statement on Iran. Oh, shit.
President Biden's order for the US military to shoot down Iranian missiles.
Oh, God, what was that?
Israel, just as we did in April, we are still assessing the impact.
But initial indications are that Israel is the impact.
But initial indications, oh, God, with our
sentence was able to defeat this attack.
Our joint defenses have been effective.
And this operation and successful cooperation saved many innocent lives.
As I have said, I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself against Iran
and Iran-backed terrorist militias.
My commitment to the security of Israel is unwavering.
And let us be clear, Iran is not only a threat to Israel, Iran is also a threat to American
and personnel in the region, American interests, and innocent civilians across the region who
suffer at the hands of Iran-based and fact-based countries.
Not Israel, but Israel is not a threat to anybody.
We will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend U.S. forces and interests
against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.
And we will continue to work with our allies and partners to disrupt Iran's
aggressive behavior and hold them accountable.
you. That was terrible. Okay. Um, yeah, I mean, Kamala Harris is in Biden's order. Time
and time again that she's just like locked in, you know, also saying that the joint defenses
between the US and Israel were effective echoing comics, comics that we heard from Jake Sullivan
and Secretary Blinken earlier, calling this an unsuccessful attack. Our bed and Whitman
is in bay all trump needs to do from here on out every single fucking day is to just be like
iran would never attack israel if i was uh in charge they're afraid of me
you know i'm um i'm the goat i'm the peacekeeper i'm the one who's gonna do peace through strength
look at all the fucking wars waging around the world i'm since 2000 the problem is for
donald trump at least he can't just can't shut the fuck up about the most insane shit
it. And it's just, you know, leaders in the Middle East that still cooks up a lot in the
United States about that as long as the war in Gaza goes on and the death toll mounts
and the violence goes on, the conflict would spread. Now it's spread to Lebanon. This evening
we're seeing clearly Iran and Israel are about to are already in a situation where
And they could be basically at a long distance war as well.
And there really is a sense of exasperation among many leaders in the region, including
many U.S. allies in the Arab world, that the United States just simply hasn't done
enough over the last year to try to push for some sort of diplomatic solution.
We've seen plenty of trips by Secretary of State Antony Blinken to the Middle
least I think 10 at this point in the last 12 months. But at the end of the day, there's
very little to show for it. So we find ourselves on the brink, if not already in the regional
war that so many were afraid of. And there doesn't seem to be any foot on the brakes
at the moment. The United States obviously coming to the aid of its ally Israel.
But there are broader concerns in this part of the world, and certainly things could get
dramatically worse at this point.
We are expecting, of course, perhaps even within the next few hours, an Israeli attack
on Iran.
And that could set in motion a scenario back and forth attacks between the two countries
while there is war raging between Hezbollah and Israel here in Lebanon, while the war
goes on in Gaza. So we're at a very dangerous tipping point. And there doesn't seem to be
any countervailing force to try to stop the region and suck in the United States and with
it over the brink into the abyss. Jim.
One one can almost feel the gravity pulling the various players over that abyss in that
cycle of attack and retaliation, each one sometimes greater than the other. Ben Wiedemann and Beirut,
keep yourself safe. Thank you. When we come back, we're going to have more
breaking news coverage of the rising tensions here in the Middle East. Please do stick with Sienna.
Brozak, keep yourself safe. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't mean the thing that you think it means
for normal people, normal old people, okay? Please,
ran at channel points predict on whether this will escalate into regional conflict. You've
been saying a lot more this stream. Are you okay bro? No, I'm not okay dude. What are you
talking about? Why would I be okay? A little bit of levity in this situation. What is this
Iran this morning? You had LeBron James is so good. It's crazy. Forum policy is never
the most important thing in elections until it is the only thing that people care about
is the thing that I keep repeating over and over again, and we're bouldering in that direction
right now. We're not fully there yet. I think a lot of the interest has, uh, has gone away
in the election. If you notice like, I'm sure you've noticed that like most people don't
give a shit that Tim Walts and, uh, JD Vance are going to do it out. Most people don't
even fucking know that that debate is supposed to happen tonight. You know, I don't
people know. I don't think people care. The brat memes have gone away, like I said, brat
summers over. It's, you know, the Joe Biden autumn is what we're in. And I think that any kind of
extra interest in this sort of conflict is not going to benefit Kamala Harris at all.
There's also a QR fact checking. I haven't even fucking talked about like the debate. Oh god, there's so much
Yeah, Joe Biden fall is what's going on
Iran's president is warning that Iran's missile strike on Israel this evening was quote only a portion of our power
Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps says it targeted three military bases in and around Tel Aviv fact is we saw
things striking the ground far away from military bases. The Pentagon says this
attack against Israel was twice as large in number of missiles as Iran's attack
on Israel back in April. CNN Global Affairs analyst Kim Dozier joins me now.
Kim, goodness, the escalation that everyone did not want seems to be upon
us or at least the momentum towards such an escalation is here and I just
wonder what gets us out of this, right? Because Israel is making quite clear it's
going to strike Iran tonight, and you're already seeing threats from Iran about how
they might strike back. For instance, if Israel were to strike its oil facilities,
what's going to stem this tide? Well, it is an escalation, but it's still not
as bad as it could have been. It was 180 or north of that of ballistic
missiles last time in April, Iran fired about 110 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles
and various incendiary other armed drones.
So yes, more ballistic missiles this time, which are more expensive, up to $10 million
apiece, and faster.
They reach Israel from Iran in about 10 minutes, yet still, this was defeated by
combined Israel's Iron Dome plus US interceptors fired from US ships in the Gulf region.
So it failed, but Iran said it was targeting three military bases.
Those bases are pretty well defended by the Iron Dome.
Iran could have tried to fire at less defended areas, could have targeted populated areas
the Haifa port, the Haifa industrial area, it didn't.
So there's still, on the escalation ladder,
there's still some steps that you can take.
Question next is what will Israel fire at?
Because of course, last time Iran fired
those 300 ballistic missiles,
as you've mentioned on air,
Israel responded about a week later
by hitting an air defense system
near one of Iran's top nuclear facilities.
So now Israel has to decide what can it hit
that sends the message without making this spiral?
Either side risks making it spiral
by crossing civilian casualties.
Are you convinced that's Israel's calculus at this point?
Because it strikes me that Israel has had,
in its view, quite successful attacks on Hezbollah.
It just took a step that hasn't taken an 18 years, which is to send ground forces across
into southern Lebanon.
And it seems to be from public commentary from Israeli officials determined to give quite
a sharp response now in military terms against Iran.
I mean, are you convinced that Israel wants to calibrate as opposed to strike a damaging
blow?
Okay, I still think Israel wants to calibrate even as it strikes a damaging blow.
But I don't know that Israel has the bunker busters it needs to definitively take out
some of Iran's nuclear technology.
Reports keep emerging about new facilities that are buried deeper underground.
Iran has been working to hide its progress.
Israel also risks tipping Iran over the nuclear line.
So far, Iran hasn't actually produced a nuclear weapon.
It's perhaps weeks away from being able to do one, but it hasn't made the decision to
build a weapon.
Depending on how hard Israel attacks, it might push Iran to build that weapon, and then
you've got a nuclear arms race potentially across the Middle East.
Israel has to contend with that.
So that's why I think you might instead see some sort of calibrated punishment that causes
more pain than the last time, but still doesn't cause major civilian casualties or troop casualties.
I don't know what the Iranian nuclear capabilities are, I just know that they're always like
a week out from finalizing the nukes.
And it's been the case for fucking decades at this point, okay?
I genuinely have no clue where it is.
Well, listen, we'll be watching closely.
The only thing that she said that is like factually completely accurate is the fact that
the Iranian nuclear facilities and bases are so deep underground that punk or busters can't
reach them. Cause duh, no shit. Obviously you're going to have to build them. If you
know that, you know, if you know Israel's striking capabilities, you're going to fucking
try to build your facilities. So far fucking underground that like, you know, the,
the weapons that Israel has cannot actually penetrate and Rob will have nukes when China
collapses. China is also weeks away from collapse. Don't worry. Okay. It's if there is any certainties
in American political discourse, it is that one Iran is always weeks away from building
the goddamn nukes. Okay, just weeks away mere weeks away. And two, China is on the
verge of complete economic collapse also weeks away. And those weeks just keep getting pushed
back further and further. And last but not least, at the top of the hour, there's a three-minute
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oh there it is this was at the un by the way he loves his fucking people don't make fun of
benjamin net yahu enough for his like uh visual aids he loves his fucking stupid ass clipart
visual aids. Like he busted out the evil. This is pure evil. These are the holy people
that are defending the region, all of our allies. And these are the evil doers. Oh, and John's
coming in hot. This really brings rampant shameless Western media racism to the four.
Here this journalist explains Mossad headquarters is in a densely populated civilian area.
Iran's attacking dangerous civilians. If that was a monster, it has a bullet target. Human
shields is exactly what we'd hear. Exactly. Everybody knows this. You know, you can take your,
this is one of those moments where it's like, yeah, it's a little bit of a dub. Okay. It's a little
bit of a, it's a little bit of a, not like a W in general, but it's a, it's a, a very obvious
like optical miscalculation. So it's a rhetorical W, you know what I mean? It's
It's obviously not a W, but it's a it's a it's a gotcha moment. You know, that is what it is
Look at the date
Nanny, I will feel like like trip to the US to start World War three went pretty well
That was in September 28th, 2012
This is Benjamin and yahu running into the bunker. No fucking way. There ain't no way. This is real
I don't believe that
Nah
Nah, this is one of those things
No, dude. No, this is one of those things is like either AI video or something like that
Look whenever you see something that feels really funny and too good to be true. It's probably not true. Okay
They're already drafting tweets of you saying it's a W
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Oh, dude. I know. Oh my god people are gonna say I'm in support of terrorism again
He's over a Tel Aviv being lit up. It was very different. Oh
Oh, it's a video from 2021.
The wolf now running the road.
Sirens, they have finished it.
We're sensing Tel Aviv coming back to life.
New law.
But Israel right now is doing a damage assessment.
And what is clear is it's not labor value.
Thank you.
You're taking it.
It's not being intercepted or not intercepted at all.
Allowing 10 people to launch.
He has on top of the hour, by the way.
Here it is.
Our Jeremy Diamond visited the crater impact site
from another one.
and others have been visible around the country. Thankfully, no deaths inside Israel. One death
reported in the West Bank could have been much worse, no question, but it does appear that
some may have hit, if not their target, that they hit Israeli territory. Right now, our
understanding is that the Cabinet is making a decision as to how Israel is going to respond.
They've made quite clear they will respond. They call this a serious attack, and they
They say it will have serious consequences, and that response is likely to include an
attack on Iran.
So the question becomes, what in Iran?
Is it oil facilities?
Could it be nuclear facilities?
It's quite clear that those options are at least on the table.
It is not clear if Israel chooses to strike those targets, but we have been told that
a decision could be made, and perhaps even the action could take place, Wolf, as soon
as tonight.
and Jim as I mentioned a few minutes ago you watched all this this attack unfolded in real time
in Tel Aviv as the sky lit up with projectiles and intercept missiles I want to play a
it's not shocking to me but it is still yet a very obvious a very obvious glaring hypocrisy and
in full display here, these are 180 ballistic missiles
that struck three different military targets
that they said that they were going to strike ahead of time.
There was only one casualty of it all.
It was a Palestinian man.
The amount of coverage that CNN has afforded
to this process is incredible, right?
Israel does this tenfold with the direct intent
killing civilians every single day both in Lebanon now and also in Gaza as a
matter of fact Israel has been doing this in Gaza since the Iranian attacks were
launched in retaliation and yet there is never this kind of coverage I have
never seen this level of like intense coverage on Israel's actions ever.
Centering the victims, centering those who were in the crosshairs of the bombing, centering
the collateral damage in terms of like potential civilian casualties.
Just understand, just understand that is why if you even say, I don't agree with
has Bullah overall, but they are one of the only resistance groups in the region that is
launching a deterrence against Israel. They call you a terrorism supporter, but Israel
defenders both in mainstream media and also everywhere online can celebrate the death
and destruction without incurring any sort of penalties whatsoever. Okay. I said this
way back in the day after my very famous uh my my very famous america deserve 9-11 statement
okay when i was talking about blowback right if you say on tv uh even if you're running
for president as a matter of fact that you want to do 9-11 tenfold to iran no one bats an eye
Okay, but you as an American, you as an American citizen, part of the concept of blowback, which
is what 9-11 was, right, after years and years of destabilization in the region, okay, it's
completely unacceptable.
This is at the heart of the matter.
That's it.
hypocrisy because the victims of our allies bombing campaigns are not human
beings they're not seen as human beings okay they are simply collateral damage
that's it. Into a wider war the administration has appeared more
frustrated and conflicted in recent weeks as some of this escalation has
taken place in Israel has ramped up its operations on Hamas and Hezbollah
targets so it is unclear exactly how the US will come down on this and
weather, their suggestions to the Israelis will eventually be heated wolves.
All right, Kayla, thank you very, very much. I want to bring in right now some experts.
Ayal Ulata is joining us. He's a former Israeli National Security Advisor, Retired U.S. Army
Lieutenant General Mark Hurtlings with us and Seth Jones, National Security Expert
and Senior Vice President over at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Let me start with you Israel now saying there will be a quote
Significant response to what Iran has done after it fired about 200 ballistic missiles at Israel
What do you think that response potentially could look like?
Well, if you know and this is the second time that Iran has fired such a massive attack on Israel
I happen to be on your show after the April 13th attack as well, which was unprecedented
This is the second time they do this. Israel has responded very minorly, I would say, symbolically
after the attack of April 13th. This was a part of the consultation between the U.S.
and Israel to do something that was meaningful, that would prove to Iran that we can penetrate
their defense systems, but would not drag the region into a full escalation of war.
Iran just did this, and I think important to have everyone understand, unprovokedly.
Israel did not attack Iran. Israel has conducted its attacks.
Wait, I'm sorry. So when they fucking blew up the principal negotiator on the Hamas side
inside of Tehran, that was not a fucking provocation.
He decided to fire some 200 ballistic missiles on Israel. Israel has a very good defense
system and a good collaboration with the U.S., so the outcome is very minor. But Iran
intended to do something very substantial and major, and to inflict not only a lot
of damage on our infrastructure, but potentially to kill many civilians. So of course Israel
has to respond. What exactly that response will be, and I will leave to the Cabinet to decide.
I'm sure that all of these security establishments are putting all of the options in front of
the Cabinet to make their decision. But Wolf, if I may, I think the question about the response
needs also to come to the United States of America, not only to Israel.
We heard Jake Sullivan, my dear friend and former colleague, say that there will be
severe consequences to Iran. I think he may have meant not only severe consequences
on behalf of Israel but also on behalf of the United States. Iran has violated all of the
norms. Iran has violated all of its obligations. President of the United States said don't so
many times and need to do this time and again. So there must be a response and Iran must
be pulled back or pushed back to their place where they cannot do this again and think they
can and get unpunished on the home.
General Hurtling let me get your response because the Iranian president is now saying
this Iranian ballistic missile strike against Israel was, in the Iranian president's words,
only a portion of our power. What else might Iran or its proxies for that matter do in addition to
this ballistic missile attack? Well, well, first what I'd say is the proxies of Iran have been
hurt tremendously over the last several months and especially Hezbollah over the last several
weeks. The proxies are Iran's forward presence. They are the ones that do the fighting. Iran
attacked today because they thought they needed to. First of all, to support their proxies,
but also to get domestic support for the Shah within Iran. I'm sorry, for the Khomeini
within Iran. What I'd suggest is 180 missiles today, ballistic missiles that are very difficult
to push down, Israel probably fired a whole lot more than 180 Arrow or David Slings weapons
to knock them out of the sky.
So this was certainly an overwhelming force by Iran, much more than we've seen before.
Iran has close to estimates of 3,000 of these ballistic missiles.
This was an element of that, and they could certainly do more.
I think it's incumbent upon Israel to respond to all of this.
They will do so in a time and matter of their choosing.
But Iran has an overmatch capability in ballistic missiles.
They don't have much else in their military, and their proxies have been hurt over the
last couple of months.
So we're going to see a very dangerous situation right now.
As Israel responds, I believe, in not a proportional manner, it is going to be a much greater
than proportional manner.
They are going to have the assistance of the United States in defending the territory of
Israel with some of the Navy ships that are in the region that have great air defense capability.
But there was a significant effort today by Iran to breach the Israeli defense systems.
And it was borderline whether or not they did that today.
They could certainly do worse.
And I'm hoping that we can continue to tamp this down so there isn't a full scale
regional war in the area.
And Seth Jones is with us as well.
Seth, the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken,
saying the Iranian attack was, quote,
effectively defeated, his words,
effectively defeated by Israel.
So was this a failure by Iran?
Well, I think it was a failure by Iran
to hit any targets.
I suspect part of what the Iranians
were also doing is signaling
that they had the capability,
in this case ballistic missiles,
to conduct strikes uh... uh... as we've seen over the last few weeks
has lost command control capability there you go he's not dead bro okay
i spent this evening in the command center control center together senior
defense officials closely watching the idea of successful defense against the
iranian missile attack
iran is not learned a simple lesson
those who attack the state of israel pay a heavy price
uh... hot i can listen to the focus the n and guys did they're so crazy
Iran is now saying that this will be the extent of his response. This is like from a couple hours ago or a firm an hour ago at this point
Iran is now saying that
This will be the extent of its response to the killing of
Hania in Tehran and his top officials in Beirut as long as Israel does not respond to this response
The US is already saying Iran must be punished the US could and this war any day it wants but it wants war
Okay, the IRGC has issued its first statement.
I don't know why Israel thinks that if Iran has the capacity to penetrate its anti-missile
defenses and strike military targets, why they won't be able to, why they won't be
able to dismantle entire city blocks.
I don't understand it.
They literally keep showing that.
They have the capacity to do so.
They literally, that's it.
If you see this as anything but like Iran saying, hey, we said we were going to hit these three
targets and we did.
If you keep this shit up, we will also escalate in kind.
I don't understand.
I do not understand.
Well, I guess the only thing is like, just like America does not give a fuck about American
civilians and American military lives as long as there's an overarching goal here, Israel
does not care as well. For them it's like, yeah, you're going to be, there's going to
be some civilian casualties, but that will feed into the bloodlust and that will feed
into our territorial acquisition. It will give us righteous cause for vindication.
We will be able to bring America into the fold. I think that's it, because the
The moment tens, or the moment hundreds of Israeli civilians die is the moment that America
is like, that's it, we're going to war.
I think that is the major restraint from the Iranian front, because I'm sure that if I can
understand this calculation, they can too.
So that's what it is.
I think that's what's going on, ultimately.
Iran's defense ministers as Israel reacts will respond in a more severe manner.
A large part of our advanced missiles have not yet been used.
The targets were completed completely.
Military ones, especially the intelligence sites that were used for the assassination
of Ismail Hania.
There it is.
Iran's armed forces.
If Israeli regime retaliates, it should expect widespread and comprehensive destruction
of his infrastructure.
If countries supporting the regime directly engage in aggression against Iran will simultaneously
target their sites and interests in the region.
It feels like World War III time in Christmas.
I don't think that like World War III is going to happen in a way that you think
it's going to happen.
already happening. What is this Iran observer just in? Ninjas trying to reach Putin via a
phone call to ask him to prevent an Iranian attack on Israel. That was at 9am. Putler's
voicemail, hello, you probably try to reach me while I was reading a book, practicing sport
or just chilling and doing me please try again another time says Felix. Elaborate it's
already happening thanks. I think considering that we have mutually assured destruction
and nuclear superpowers in every side of this conflict,
and in most conflicts around the globe,
we don't experience a world war in the same way, okay?
It doesn't work like that,
because there is significantly more global trade
amongst regional powers that are at war
with one another. And most wars are not hot wars, but instead cold wars. The hot aspect
of the war is engaged through proxy battles. And that's already happening. You got Ukraine
and Russia. You have obviously Israel versus the Axis of Resistance. These are just
are just happening in Al Jazeera watch it all right I will hear at this particular stage
what we do know is that the U.S. is in constant contact with Israel and what we assume is that
President Biden will be speaking to Prime Minister Netanyahu shortly. Okay Mike many thanks indeed
for bringing us the view there from the White House in Washington DC or the Pentagon
said that two naval destroyers were used to intercept Iran's missiles, a spokesman Pat Ryder,
said the Pentagon was not given any forewarning of the attack from Iran.
I'm not aware of any pre-warning by Iran about their potential attack. As you know,
this is... They're fake friends, bro. They lie about this all the time.
For a while, based on the threats of retaliation by Iran. And so we've been closely consulting
with Israel for a while now to be prepared in the eventuality.
And as today demonstrated, we were prepared and we were able to successfully work
alongside Israel to defend the protest.
This ain't real. Get out of here.
Let's speak now to PJ Crowley.
He's former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State and retired U.S. Air Force Colonel.
Joins us now from Alexandria in the state of Virginia.
Great to get you on the program, PJ.
What do you make of what's been happening tonight?
Well, I think so far so good. I mean, we'll actually see some, you know, battle damage
assessment in the coming days to see, you know, what impact the Iranian strikes did
have on Israel, if any, you know, the real question is what happens now? You've had,
obviously, the successful Israeli attack on the Hezbollah leadership, the Iranian
response? Is that enough to restore deterrence on each side? And these are calculations being
made in the region.
Well, it's kind of something that doesn't seem like it is enough. I mean, we're certainly
hearing very hawkish, expectedly hawkish views from the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nesniah
who's saying that there will certainly be a retaliatory strike.
Well, and obviously there are also ground sources.
interesting listening to Al Jazeera because it's like this is how if you're a defender of Israel
this is how you must feel all the time when you're watching most mainstream news in the west you know
what I mean um the you know the further escalation towards an all-out regional conflict oh by the way
it has a limited ability to influence you know the major combatants it has no relationship
with Iran none what has belonged none with Hamas while this is happening uh Israel has issued
yet another late night evacuation order for areas in the Beirut suburbs. Urgent warning to the
residents of southern suburbs, specifically in Haaretzik neighborhood, and the building specified
in the two maps and the buildings adjacent to them. You are located near dangerous Hezbollah
installation that the IDA will act forcefully against in the near future. Yeah, they, or
they have one speed. I'm telling you, October 8, when there were still Palestinian resistance
militants inside of the Israeli territorial border, Israeli territorial boundaries.
These motherfuckers move to bomb Gaza.
Okay?
Like they, when I tell you, they want to engage in territorial acquisition and kill people
more than they care about the safety and security of their own citizens, please make
no mistake.
has routinely shown that they have no interest in their own citizens either okay
they don't have the interest in the safety of their own citizens they do not
have the interest in like they're the only time that Israel ever talked about
the safety and security of their citizens is when they are conducting an
offensive act okay that's it they're like oh we got bombed all right time to
bomb more. Oh, our citizen being taken over. There's like literally fucking people inside
of the kibbutz team. All right, time to bomb more. The only the only way they care about
the only way they care about their citizens is when they can use the dead or the hostages
in a way to conduct further military campaigns. Okay. This is why they have a policy called
the motherfucking Hannibal Directive, okay, which is Israeli military doctrine that you can
shoot Israeli civilians and Israeli soldiers and kill them in an effort to stop them from
being taken hostage. It's not like this is a direct rule that the military applies and
has applied and did apply in October 7th. Okay? They love that they have a group of rabid,
monstrous psychopaths who believe that they are straight up ordained by God to go and
take over more territories they fucking let the rabid settlers expand instantly after they clear
areas once the dust is settled they let the fucking settlers come in and overtake the area and then
oops we have more security concerns for our civilians we have to engage in more offensive
campaigns in an effort to preserve the safety and security of our citizens they did this in the
fucking west bank they did this when they literally built the nation's state of Israel
but sounds sounds a bit biased there yes i am biased towards humanity okay unconditionally
do you think aljazeera is pro-israel i mean hamos can always return to hostages back to
remove this is cues no not really no i didn't say aljazeera is pro-israel i said as someone who is
not pro-israel watching aljazeera is a you know genuine change of pace from watching western
media and I suspect most people probably if they are pro-Israel and they're watching mainstream
press feel the way that I do when I'm watching out to zero. Yes, I am biased against genocide.
I am biased against apartheid. I am biased against a genocidal apartheid state led by a
fascist ideology such as Zionism. I am right, but too early for others to act like they were always
alongside my position. Okay. The problem is, I'm right. I'm just too early for many to also
reckon with that reality. That's it. Such a virtue signaler. I know I'm such a, I mean,
I love the admission that it is a virtue to be, you know, anti-genocide. You're right.
I agree. I think it is a virtue, and I think you recognize that as well. So when you say
virtue signaled, you're just admitting that I'm both correct and virtuous. Yes, I am signalling
my virtue. I hope that you will also be biased against apartheid. I hope you will also be
biased against genocide. Naftali Bennett was literally just on CNN, by the way, straight up.
like I think he might have tweeted this before he went on CNN Israel has now its
greatest opportunity 50 years to change the face of the Middle East the
leadership of Iran which used to be good at chess made a terrible mistake this
evening we must act now to destroy Iran's nuclear program in central energy
facilities and to fatally cripple this terrorist regime to strike the head of
the octopus of terror that in its cowardice and its tentacles Hamas
Hezbollah and the Houthis asserted the murderers while the Ayatollah set
safely in their palaces in Tehran the octopus's tentacles are temporarily paralyzed now comes the head
we must remove this terrible threat to our children's future bro it's so funny it's like
I think I think there is a there is a hint of irony there is a hint of irony in the fact that like
like Israel as the Jewish state is utilizing so much of the same anti-Semitic language
that was straight up launched against Jewish people historically that led to the Holocaust.
It's also funny to think because people in western media will say stuff like, oh yeah,
Hezbollah and Iran are controlling these campus
protestors.
Like, I mean, it's a laughable assessment, you know what I mean?
It's like, yeah, they have their tentacles everywhere.
It's not Jews that control the media.
It is actually Iran that controls the media.
It's like, come on, dog, what are you saying right now?
We can grant the Iranian people an opportunity
to rise up and shake off the regime that terrorizes its women and daughters. We have the justification.
We have the tools. Now the Hezbollah and Hamas are paralyzed. Iran stands exposed. Yeah. In
the same breath being like Jews control the media is a bad and dangerous stereotype. And
it could be a theory, which it is by the way, by the way, it's actually the Muslims
that control the media. Like, I, I, I grew their views on Israel. Are you against
the gender apartheid in Iran, Lebanon, Syria, wait, Lebanon, the gender apartheid in Lebanon,
the gender apartheid in Lebanon.
Okay, Bill Maher, the gender apartheid is like such a classic, like, oh, the real apartheid
is the gender apartheid in these fucking nations.
I, it's always funny because you say that about Iran, okay, fair, to a certain degree,
examining how we got here that's fine okay but then to say that about Lebanon and Syria is hilarious
when you got Saudi Arabia right there it's right there you're so primed to just be like
you can't even do islamophobia right like Saudi Arabia is right there dude but someone told you
these talking points and they didn't tell you about Saudi Arabia because they didn't want you to
think Saudi Arabia is bad because there are allies and they're Israel's ally it's hilarious
sorry i didn't mean to piss you off my bad dog you said Lebanon is and Syria are living under
religious theocracy Iran is correct but it's hilarious that you think Lebanon and Syria
are living under religious theocracy. Okay?
The only thing that binds these people together is that one, they are in the crosshairs of America
and America's allies. And two, they're fucking brown. They're Muslim. Like, that's it.
A ridiculous assessment to make overall. Holy crap, dude. I, I am going to try
to, I'm going to try and talk about,
we're, I'm gonna have an academic historian.
I'm gonna try to have what my friend considered
a low tech scholar who is not very good at tech.
I'm gonna try to have him on right now,
but I don't think I'll be able to, we'll see.
Let's see if I can get him on.
This is gonna be difficult to do.
Let me see, let me see, let me see.
Why I DM the wrong person?
Oops, a nation of lines.
I mean, this is just insane shit.
All right.
Okay, and so it's real hard to be honest
with the American people.
Real hard to be authentic and genuine
when you're struggling internally as JD Vance Cooley is.
So I expect Tim Walls to do quite well tonight.
He's gonna be an outstanding vice president.
People who have spoken to Governor Walls have told CNN
he's nervous about facing Senator Vance.
How high is the pressure on Governor Walls to perform well tonight?
Look, I think all these moments are high pressure.
I mean, you're running to be Vice President of the United States.
These are big deals.
But I expect that Tim Walls will meet the moment, as he does throughout, as he.
Okay, one second.
All right, we'll get back to our audience.
As well has warmed up its military activities in Gaza.
We have been hitting more three homes in the course of the past few hours after the retaliation
and there is to now a very active movement for fighter jets, for drone jets and also
for a quite popular drone.
The attack that has been carried out by Iran has been seen as a very significant step from
the eyes of the eyes of Palestinians but they also understand now that there is a new
phase of the war has just begun and which can really above the way for more regional attention
within the coming days and that's completely depending on the Israeli potential retaliation
in the coming days. Indeed, okay. Tarek Abouazoum, we'll leave it there for the moment. Tarek,
joining us there from Central Gaza. We've also been seeing celebrations take place in
Janine in the occupied West Bank. Residents there have set off fireworks. In September,
Israeli forces carried out the deadliest operation in the Occupied West Bank since the war in Gaza
began. Leila Wara joins us now from Bethlehem, also in the Occupied West Bank. So Leila, we may be seeing
celebrations, but we're also hearing of the death of one Palestinian civilian amid this attack
by Iran on Israel. Yes, so we are seeing celebrations in the street right now,
which Palestinians are describing as a natural reaction to Israel's ongoing year-long war
on Gaza on top of their decades-long military occupation, which Palestinians have been suffering
under for this entire time. And constantly, we're seeing Palestinians killed at the hands
of Israeli forces and Israeli settlers. And meanwhile, while all of this is taking place,
there have also been damages to Palestinian properties.
And as you mentioned, one Palestinian has been reportedly killed by the shrapnel.
This Palestinian was someone from Raza who was taking shelter in the north of Jericho
in a Palestinian Authority training center along with hundreds of other residents who
were there.
And four other people were also injured.
So it's quite a few mixed feelings and people are also fearful because these attacks are
taking place so close to Palestinian areas because they are targeting Israeli settlements,
which are nestled in between Palestinian communities.
So the rockets are very, very close and we're seeing that kind of overspill into these Palestinian
areas.
And Laila, whilst the Israelis all got the call to go to bunkers, what shelter were
the Palestinians there in the occupied West Bank able to take?
So in the Occupied West Bank, there are no shelters to take for Palestinians during this,
which is why you also see so many Palestinians out in the street.
And meanwhile, while all of this is taking place, what we're also seeing is the Israeli
military closing down the Palestinian city of Hebron, where two Palestinian attackers
were hatched, the shooting attack that took place shortly before the missiles in which
about six Israelis were killed.
They were from Hebron.
Now we're seeing the Israeli military go into Hebron and shut the city down and there have
been videos and reports of the Israeli military raiding the area.
And this is something that many analysts describe as a collective punishment policy to kind of
press down resistance and stop people from committing these acts.
But again, these same analysts say that that's not the effect that they have.
Leila, many thanks indeed.
Lea Oara joining us there from the occupied West Bank.
We've also been seeing scenes of jubilation in Baghdad after Iran's attack on Israel.
Protesters there waved Iraqi flags and held the portrait of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah
who was killed on Friday in an Israeli attack on Beirut.
Our correspondent Osama bin Javed has more now from Baghdad.
By the way, the meeting of the Israeli security cabinet has ended.
10 minutes ago, he will probably talk to Biden as well, Benjamin Anyahu, and their retaliation
will most likely occur in the coming hour.
Okay?
Just letting you know.
He visited the Joint Operations Command and looked at how Iraq is going to fare if there
is any more or anything escalates further from what we've seen so far from the Iranian
strikes.
from various political factions and resistance groups in Iraq, including the Islamic resistance.
The point is, for the rest of the slow air-McClullough campaign to unseat and promote
the United States and its allies to take heed,
because they are the both my Democratic and Republican opponents,
supported and vested in me on the Holocaust, I don't hear the reasons why.
To turn down some of the missiles, they say that this would be
a clear violation of their terms of staying in Iraqi territory and if Iraqi territory
or airspace is used to aid what they call the Israeli occupation entity, their bases
and all of American interests in Iraq could.
Alright, we're going to have a brief intermission here where I am going to be introducing to you
Professor Abdel Razak Takriti, who teaches modern Palestinian and Middle Eastern history at Rice University.
He's the author of numerous studies. Most recently, he launched the TABRA podcast on Daniel Denver's The Dig, a 16 episode series surveying the modern history of the Arab lands.
Hopefully, we'll be able to do this without issue.
But hello, Professor, are you there? Can you hear me?
to
I'm not that bad. I mean, you know, I can manage an app or two, you know, okay. All right. I think what he means is I don't spend my time, you know, on on on on the on social media that much.
Okay, well, that's probably good for your mental health, especially right now, especially in
recent times.
Let me tell you, I just, I did a thing at USC last night with a professor that invited
me to speak to her students and whoever wanted to attend and there was a letter campaign
apparently by 27,000 letters saying that I should not attend, that USC must not
have me on board or welcome me as a guest. So that's usually how it works on social media.
And these are probably just Israeli trolls and that kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. No, it was, yeah, it was a, it was a Zionist group on cam, on, on campus that
launched it, but I guess it didn't work in their favor. In any case, welcome,
welcome to the broadcast. I've heard a lot about, you know, Daniel is,
sung your praises quite a bit in terms of your acumen and your knowledge over the region and the
history. And originally when we first were supposed to have this conversation I wanted to ask you
about the history of Hezbollah because of course there are a lot of people in my community in
general that are perhaps a little unfamiliar with Hezbollah like where it started why it
started as a political movement and I'm sure you know this already but obviously in the western
media it's very black and white the way we communicate about America's adversaries and
and even America's allies they're the good guys and anyone that stands as a resistance to
American intervention in the region is officially declared a state sanctioned
and enemy, terrorism, let's start with there.
Let's start with the designation of terrorism.
What do you as an academic think about this designation?
Is this one that has any sort of like real legal precedent?
Or is that simply a socio-political term applied broadly
to non-state actors that we want to deny habeas corpus to?
I mean, this is an excellent question, and I think the answer to it is contextual.
So I would invite our audience members to think.
Why is it okay, for example, for a state like the Israeli State to invade Lebanon, kill
thousands of people, injure hundreds of thousands in places like Gaza, across Palestine, terrorize
the whole region?
If terror is about spreading fear, spreading insecurity, that's certainly what that state
is doing.
However, because it's a state actor that is supported by the West that is never described
as terrorism by Western countries.
Even though the Israeli military is viewed in the Middle East and across the Middle
East as the largest terrorist force in the region.
So it is all relative, it is all contextual, it depends on how you view things.
In terms of its impact, actually, the Israeli state has terrorized way more people than
any of the designated terrorist groups that the United States designates as terrorists.
So that's point number one.
Point number two has to do with legality.
International order as it stands favors state actors against non-state actors.
And that means that it has always had a negative attitude towards liberation movements in general.
And these were often prone to be described as terrorists.
For example, the African National Congress led by Nelson Mandela was considered to be
a terrorist organization.
In the United States, it only ceased to be a terrorist organization in 2008, believe
it or not.
The FLN, the National Liberation Front in Algeria, which liberated Algeria from a century and
three decades of French colonial rule, brutal rule that killed more than a million people,
that organization was described as a terrorist organization.
The Irish Republican Army was described as a terrorist organization or was designated
as such.
The state actors against which they were fighting were not counted as terrorists even
though the damage they caused to civilians, to women, children, men, elderly men, everybody
in society was indescribably, you can't even begin to describe the scale of it.
So we should always approach these words with caution and understand where they come from.
Yeah, absolutely.
You nailed it in terms of like the calculation of Israeli horror never being designated
as an act of terror, even though it absolutely suits, if this was a designation applied evenly,
Israel's actions would be considered in the exact same vein, because the impact of it is the same,
causing tremendous amounts of psychological harm beyond the intended targets. And in many instances,
the intended targets are broadly civilians, regardless.
The impact is worse, actually, because now they're carrying out a genocide and there's
no talk about anything.
Who's standing up to them as they're massacring people, unmasked, and now in direct and indirect
ways.
It's way worse than terror.
Genocide is the worst crime in history, possible, for you to come and destroy already
up to 15% of the population of Lesda has already been annihilated through these policies,
according to public health experts.
This is very, very dangerous.
Absolutely.
So, the question I guess I have is we are talking about resisting Israeli occupation and I guess
this brings up the first question I wanted to ask you which is about Hezbollah in its
inception and its modern iteration.
If you could give us some historical background as to how Hezbollah came to be, that would
be wonderful for a lot of people in my audience that might not know.
Well, I mean, the first point to note is again the context.
How did Hezbollah emerge?
Why did it emerge?
It emerged in the context of the Israeli occupation of Lebanon in 1982.
In the 1970s, many of the kidders that formed Hezbollah were involved in resistance against
the Israeli state, but it was true involvement in Palestinian-led movements that were stationed
in Lebanon.
Now, why were these movements in Lebanon in the first place?
because the Israeli state was created on the debris of Palestine. It actually was no such
thing as Israel before 1948. It came about in 1948. It's a settler colonial formation,
mostly comprised of Eastern European Jews that came on a Palestinian Arab land. What happened
is they expelled a lot of people across the region. Many of them ended up in Lebanon.
With time, these people began to form national liberation movements that sought reclaiming
their land. They sought liberation and return for the Palestinian refugees and those that
were living in Palestine. So the Palestinian aspect is very important to understand in
this equation, and that's important for our listeners today. Sometimes you might wonder
why the hell does Hezbollah care about Reza? Why is it still connected to the Palestinian
cause? That's the context to that. Now, of course, most of Hezbollah's members,
In fact, all of them come from the Shia sect in Lebanon.
Lebanon is a country that is governed by a sectarian system
that was created by French colonialism there.
They divided people by sect.
And one of the most important sects
is the Shia sect there.
However, it was always underrepresented
in the Lebanese political system.
And as a result, they found common cause
with the Palestinian refugees that
were expelled by the Israeli state to Lebanon historically.
They had good and strong social connections with them.
They were joined also by class interests,
because they were poor in the Palestinian refugees that
were expelled there were poor.
The geographic interconnections, the south of Lebanon,
where most of the Shias are concentrated,
is very interconnected with the north of Palestine, which
is where most of the Palestinian refugees that
ended up in Lebanon come from.
So all of this meant that there
There was enormous sympathy for the Palestinian cause, there was enormous understanding that
Israel as a settler colonial state is a threat to Lebanon, not just Palestine, it's a threat
to the whole region.
And this is the experience that Hezbollah fighters went through before Hezbollah was
created in the 1970s.
Then in 1982, the Israeli invasion happens.
Israel invades Lebanon.
As what we're seeing today, they're claiming that they wanted security for themselves.
But in fact, they're always expanding.
There's no security expected for anybody else except for the settler colonists there.
This is that general attitude, which is similar to the settler colonists' populations everywhere.
They think their lives are more worthy, that the security of others is less important.
And we see this in American pronouncements today.
Why is it that the Biden and his entire team just keep on speaking about defending
Israel?
Palestinians. What about defending Lebanese? What about defending Iranians? What about defending Turks?
Anybody in this region that is affected by this aggressive settler colonial state? They do not matter.
Yeah, so so this is the the context to the emergence of Hezbollah in 82
Israel goes invades. It kills 20,000 people. It destroys the whole place. It was the worst
This invasion that we had seen until the Gaza genocide was really horrific in 1982.
And it broke every international norm.
They occupied a major Arab capital, Beirut.
And in the process, you started to have a resistance movement emerging against them.
Now, that resistance movement, in the case of – there were multiple ones.
But from the Shia quarter in Lebanon, Hezbollah came about.
They included fighters that had fought before in the Palestinian Revolution.
It also included people that were rejuvenated by the Iranian Revolution.
They saw what had happened in Iran, and they decided that they're going to follow an Islamic
path towards the revolution.
Previously many of these people had joined the left or had been part of anti-colonial
resistance in the Palestinian movement.
Now they were inspired by a new model that was offered by the Iranian Revolution.
In theological terms, strictly theological terms, our viewers may or may not be familiar
with this concept.
They adhere to something called a willaya al-Faqih or willaya al-Faqih as we would
say in Arabic.
That means the governance of the jurists.
They agreed with the Iranian line that was proposed by Ayatollah Khomeini which
which said that the Islamic Ummah, the nation has to be ruled in accordance with the precepts
of religion through the interpretation of the jurists.
So that was a controversial line in Shia circles.
It continues to be that Hezbollah were adherents to that line and in Lebanon they became associated
with it.
developed a very close relationship with the post-revolutionary Iranian government.
Yeah, and some of the most horrific acts of mass murder that some people in the chat might
recognize in 1982 was of course the Sabra and Shatala massacre, where the IDF struck
a mostly Palestinian and Lebanese Shia compromised area in the city of Beirut, where Christian
militias inside of Lebanon, phalanges militias inside of Lebanon committed heinous atrocities
and were directly supported by the IDF in that process. And the conservative estimations
are between 1,300 and 3,500 civilians that were ruthlessly slaughtered. Many of the
immediate propaganda that came out, the atrocity propaganda that you might even, uh, you might
have even heard from the likes of Joe Biden as a matter of fact, without any sort of evidence
whatsoever, uh, repeated post October seven were actually real documented atrocities that
occurred in Sabra and Shatilla.
And the only reason why I bring this up, I think is to, to, to help people understand
the collective conscious and the collective psyche of the Lebanese and the Palestinian
refugee population in these areas in terms of the way that they analyze Israeli acts
of violence, Israeli incursions, just so people are clear.
Yes, Hassan, I recorded 40 hours with Daniel Denver on the dig, the podcast, the famous
podcast. We did a series called SAURA, just detailing this history. It is a very complex
history, but I would encourage our listeners to check it out.
But seriously, for us to understand what's going on, we have to realize that there's
an accumulation of both Israeli colonial violence but also American support for it.
The reason why Sabra and Safila happened isn't just because Israelis unleashed their
militias that they had trained and armed these Lebanese militias that were under
their control. And it wasn't just because their army besieged the camp and facilitated this
process. It wasn't because they gave the order for it. It's more than that. It's part of the
total betrayal of the United States to the agreements that it had signed. The U.S. had
sent an envoy in 1982 demanding that the PLO exit. And the PLO said, the PLO said
organization was said okay you know what we'll exit but how do we guarantee the
safety of the women and children and and elderly people that will be left in
their Palestinian refugee camps given the fact that our fighters will no longer be
there to defend them and the US gave guarantees the whole international
system was supposed to uphold these guarantees nothing happened Israelis
were allowed to go, kill, inflict this one-tone destruction
on the Palestinian people.
It was one of the worst massacres in our history.
Now, of course, in Gaza, everything
pales in comparison to Gaza, because it's full on genocide.
But up till that point, seriously, these heinous crimes
were unbelievable.
So of course, that led to the resistance option
that was proposed by Hezbollah to become very popular.
Because look, people here talk, I mean, they talk about, okay,
why aren't the Lebanese people peaceful?
Why are the Pasirian people peaceful?
Why aren't they reminding people?
All of this talk, I'm like, everybody's peace-loving.
Actually in our region we need peace for us
because the level of destruction imposed on us
is much bigger.
But there's a big difference
between peace and pacification.
Pacification means that I keep on beating you up.
I'm the bully that will actually destroy your life
And your job is to is to completely submit and keep on taking hits whenever I want to
give you hits.
And that is an unreasonable thing to expect any human being to accept that our people
are human, despite the fact that a lot of American officials don't seem to think that
despite the fact that it's certainly Israeli racist officials will never accept that.
This has to do with racism as much as it has to do with anything else.
Absolutely. So let's talk about, I guess, the modern iteration of Hezbollah as well,
if you don't mind. And then I want to move into Iran a little bit as well, considering that
this conversation was supposed to center around Hezbollah and its reception in the region
broadly as a resistance force against Israeli incursion, specifically both in Lebanon, but
also as a deterrence factor against Israel's ongoing genocide and occupation in Gaza.
But since then, of course, Iran has chosen to retaliate for Israel assassinating IRGC
Sanders inside of Beirut and in other places as well as a direct violation of Iranian sovereignty
when Israel assassinated Ismail Hania, the Politburo chief of Hamas, the person that
was the principal negotiator in the hostage negotiations that were ongoing.
Israel did this of course in Tehran which was a direct violation of Iranian sovereignty
which Iran said that they would inevitably retaliate towards.
And it seems like today was that retaliation.
But in terms of Hezbollah, a lot of the conversation,
in my estimation at least, a lot of the conversations
surrounding Hezbollah and the Israeli incursion
into Lebanon has been basically repackaging
the exact same type of propaganda
that we saw with respect to Hamas,
that Israel wasn't simply pummeling Gaza into submission, that it wasn't engaging in an act of genocide,
but instead was actually liberating the Palestinian people from the treacherous nature of Hamas.
And now the exact same propaganda almost reset, right, where Israel is technically liberating the Lebanese population from Hezbollah.
Is there any truth to this kind of propaganda in your estimation,
or what is the broad reception of Hezbollah look like
in the eyes of the Lebanese population?
Well, I mean, I've alluded earlier in the interview
to the sectarian nature of Lebanese politics.
Unfortunately, as a result of two civil wars in the 19th century,
And as a result of various influences,
including a few decades of French colonialism,
Lebanon was designed as a sectarian state.
And what that meant is that your religious background
determines who you are as a Lebanese citizen.
That has serious implications for politics.
It means that people are ossified.
They get frozen into their sectarian identities
when it comes to political behavior.
And that meant also that you get political evidences often
correspond to sectarian lives.
There are challenges to this.
The Lebanese left was always secular, for example.
There have been movements that have emerged that have
mobilized people across religious and sectarian
devise, including Hezbollah in certain moments, by the way.
And Hezbollah still has an audience
outside its immediate sect.
However, the Israeli policy has always followed a doctrine that they've had since the early
days of the Zionist movement before there was even an Israeli state.
And that doctrine was called the peripheries doctrine, for people that want to Google it,
they can check that out.
The idea is always- What was it again, see, can you say that again?
The peripheries doctrine.
So their notion is to focus on minorities and create tension between different religious groups
or tribal groups or national groups in the region surrounding them so that they could
actually weaken the regional system and be able to establish their settler colonial dominance
in the region.
That's not particular to the Israeli state, by the way.
colonial states often use these tactics of divide and rule. In Lebanon, they've used
it extensively. And in Lebanon, what has happened is they didn't invent the sectarian divide
there, but they've certainly exploited it. And they were bound to exploit it. They're
exploiting it now. Look at the areas they're bombing. They're actually targeting a religious
group. They're targeting a religious minority in the region. And nobody's talking about
that by the way, that every village, every town, every city that's being targeted is a
Shia area. This is actually terrible. It's a major religious crime against a religious
group in the region. But they're also trying to create tension between them.
Not just in the ISIS, I might add. In the exact nature, whether it be to shield with
a false religious justification to shield your actions or to target religious minorities
in the region?
Yeah, I mean, the only thing that we can say about Israel is that the Israeli government
at the moment and the whole political system of Zionism is that it's driven by settler
colonial precepts.
they will use any method including targeting religious groups to achieve their objectives.
And they've done it before. They try to co-opt certain religious groups sometimes. They try
to marginalize others. It's fair game for them to kill people and to target people.
They don't care. And this is the unfortunate reality in our world today is that they're
given license to do that. I mean, because they're backed by the world's biggest empire, which
happens to be the country that we live in here, the country that we pay taxes to, the country
that we work in. And in this setting, it's creating a lot of dissonance for a lot of
people here. How can we be supporting a project that is based on the destruction
of the entire regional neighborhood.
This is a state that knows nothing but escalation, expansionism, and total war.
It is a martial state.
And again, this is not particular to it.
Settler colonial states tend to behave that way.
The apartheid South Africa was wreaking havoc on the entire southern part of the African
continent.
They were spreading chaos there.
Pien, Oire and Algeria were totally genocidal in their mindset and they killed millions of
people like over a million Algerian. You know, that's how these settler groups behave. But
why is it that they're given sanction to behave that way? There's no limit placed on them.
It's outrageous Hassan. Absolutely. In terms of the Iranian retaliation or I guess even with
With the existence of Hezbollah, much has been said about Hezbollah's actions in Syria
or even in its domestic affairs inside of Lebanon.
But Israel has consistently reiterated the position that the assassination campaign, which
of course targeted thousands of civilians alongside a couple key leaders, which are
simply regarded as collateral damage in Western media.
The assassination campaign was conducted specifically to try and decouple Hezbollah from Gaza.
Could you speak to the similarities within the Ansarullah regime as well?
Or if that's outside of your purview or expertise, that's also perfectly fine.
I didn't ask about that to Daniel.
No, no, that's certainly fine.
I mean, I can tell you something.
But yeah, go ahead, Hezbollah.
the question I have is the question I have I guess is that what do you say to people again that
consider Hezbollah to be a terror group and fundamentalist overall I guess it's
that has nothing to do with the reasons as to why Israel assassinated Hassan Nasrallah or the
leadership of Hezbollah and everything to do with the fact that Hezbollah was a deterrence
mechanism against Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza?
Let me tell you an interesting thing Hassan. In our country here, in this country, when
we encounter people usually who attack Hezbollah as fundamentalists in all these groups as fundamentalists,
they tend to be fundamentalists themselves. People in the Republican Party who belong
to actual evangelical movements for example. They believe in religious conservatism,
that's what Hezbollah believes in. I would say their religious conservatism is that Hezbollah
is milder actually because they're not so obsessed with certain things like abortion and they
don't spend their whole time, you know, focusing on attacking gay rights and that sort of thing.
So in a way, actually, the groups here are way more conservative. However, we're talking
about his religious conservatism. I might disagree with that personally. I'm not
religious conservative, okay. But the issue here is not is not their Islamic character.
What they actually don't like about Hezbollah. And let me be very clear here that the US has
historically supported Islamic groups in many parts of the world against what they perceive
to be communist infiltration. So in Afghanistan, for example, they produced Al Qaeda to
fight the Soviet Union. The predecessors, Al Qaeda were actually created by the US
and with Saudi funding, okay?
And this was, this is something that's well established
in the scholarly literature has, there's no doubt about it.
Oh yeah.
It's a fact.
So they don't have a problem with religion,
they don't have a problem with religious fundamentalism.
The issue they have with is, where is it directed?
And let's be clear, Hezbollah is way, way less
religious fundamentalist than any of the groups
that we have described, you know, Qa'id,
that were any.
or I mean even the current Saudi administration that we are closely aligned with on top of Saudi
Saudi Arabia obviously being a wonderful ally to the state of Israel as well.
And they're less fundamentalist than the Israeli state. The Israeli state is officially now
ruled by Jewish supremacist parties that say that they actually say this on a regular basis
that there should be one of the parties is called Jewish supremacy. They consider themselves to be
superior to Palestinians, superior to Arabs, better than them.
They should be oppressed forever.
It's officially racist doctrine based on religion in the case of some of these parties.
Ben Gavir, Smotrish, these are real zealots.
So let's not now spend too much time thinking that the problem with Hezbollah is their
religious affiliation.
Their problem with Hezbollah is their geopolitical alignment.
And that's what their issue, there has been always a fundamental issue in this region.
Nobody wanted a Zionist project in this region.
Nobody wanted the settler colonial state in this region from within the region.
It was always a project imposed from outside.
And it's not a project that is good even for the settler colonial community itself.
And we know this in the case of South Africa and other cases.
You know, the Africans for a long time deluded themselves thinking that they could live forever
ruling over a black majority having total disregard to their regional neighborhood.
We have the same situation now with this Israeli state.
As Mullah and the groups, they will not accept this idea that the Israeli state should
be allowed to go and massacre Palestinians unmask, carry out a total genocide without
anybody intervening
if they accept that idea then they're also setting a serious precedent
for themselves
you know let's say the israelis finished the job and was that finished the job by
the way is a horrific as a horrific meaning it means kill everyone
that's what they're doing now
if they do that
lebanon will be next
then the rest of the region will be will be next
it's a very dangerous phenomenon there are other trump now is talking about
annexing the West Bank to Israeli state. The West Bank will be next. This project has no limits.
One other aspect of this for, I guess, like Western squishy liberals who are like, oh, well,
you know, Hezbollah is this or that is the reality that, and this is a J post article that
I have in front of me, but Israel also in the targeted assassination strikes that they conducted
in Lebanon in these dense suburbs, densely populated with civilians, also engaged in assassinations
on three PFLP leaders in Kola, in the Kola district of Beirut. Now, the PFLP is not a
religious group at all. As a matter of fact, it's simply a Marxist group. This is, of
course, very similar to, once again, another assassination that Israel had engaged in
with Ghassan Khanifani, again, famously not a very religious person, but simply a Marxist,
and to make matters worse, of course, that insult injury, the PFLP leaders that were killed,
were not actually engaged in the tit for tat cross-border missile campaigns that were being
conducted between Hezbollah and Israel, which Israel was still responsible for 82% of the
munitions being deployed there. Having said that, this simply shows, once again, that
it has nothing to do with even border security for the northern territories of Israel, but
instead has everything to do with the fact that Israel gets to kill whichever leadership
whichever commander or whoever says that they do not like Israel's genocide in the region.
I mean let's imagine that it is about border security. Let's imagine that for a second.
They always use security arguments, okay? Why should they have security and nobody else in
the region should have security? I mean this is the real fundamental question here.
what does security mean? I mean their version of security is I dominate the region, I do not give
freedom to the Palestinian people, I do not create democracy. What I create is a Jewish state that is
supremacist in character that rejects people from other religions, rejects people from other
ethnicities, and has a project of permanent domination over them. That is not acceptable.
By the way, there's a lot of Jewish descent in this country and elsewhere now around this,
especially among younger people.
So they're upset that this settler colonial state is actually using the good name of Judaism
to pursue its actions, because it has nothing to do with Judaism.
No religion actually would sanction the sort of actions that are being taken now by
the Israeli state.
It is a genocidal state.
And it's a state that has been described by human rights watch, by amnesty, and by other
major human rights organizations, it's an apartheid state.
It is a state that has broken more UN resolutions than any other state in history.
It is, in fact, if you want the technical definition of a rogue state, it fits that
definition.
It is a rogue state.
It is a state that goes rogue against the entire international order.
Now we have ICJ decisions on it.
It doesn't want to accept it.
The International Court of Justice has ruled that it's plausibly genocidal.
They don't care.
It has ruled that they should stop what they're doing in Gaza.
They don't care.
And now in Lebanon they're not caring either.
And assassinations is one of their methods.
They use it against everyone, Hassan, as you've noted.
They've used it against the leaders of the PLO, the leaders of Fatih.
These were not Islamists.
They've used it against PFLP leaders.
We've used it against people from multiple designations and groups.
We've used it against our Christian leaders, somebody like the great poet Kamal Nasser.
These were people that were murdered because they were intellectuals, because they were
thinkers, because they were actually calling for anti-colonial revolution.
And there is a big difference between anti-colonial revolution and terror, by the way, Hassan.
Now, speaking of Hezbollah, I'm not a Hezbollah member, I'm not a Hezbollah supporter, I have
no affiliation whatsoever with that, okay?
But however, at the same time, I'm somebody who's an analyst and understands the region,
and I will tell you something very clearly.
Should the Israeli state seize its project of domination in this part of the world?
Should it give freedom to the Palestinian people?
Should it stop threatening the people of Lebanon?
it stopped its expansionism across this region and its project to continue a settler colonial
denomination domination. Should it democratize? You can actually say, okay, we'll be a state
that's not based on religion. It's going to be based on citizenship. We're going to
allow the Palestinian refugees to return. We're going to allow everybody to vote. We're
going to consider everybody to be sisters and brothers in citizenship. People would
not have a problem with it. But they cannot accept that. And if you say this, they'll tell
you, oh, you're against Israel's right to exist. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm against the existence
of a racially, racially based order of domination. I'm not against the Israeli people living
in this territory. They don't come from our lands. Okay, but they've been in them for
for quite a while now. You know, some of them have been there for one generation or two.
If you have been there for three or more, you know, that's okay. We're not against anybody's
presence in this region so long as they actually respect everyone else, integrate with everybody
else. Stop thinking that you're above the law, above international norms, that you
could get away with the genocide. That's the problem with settler colonialism. It creates
an order in which the leaderships imagine this and they start then mobilizing the whole populace
around settler colonial visions of domination. No, I seriously believe and we must insist
on a joint future for everyone in this region, including by the way Israelis. I mean, this
Colonialism does not benefit them. It's not good for them. It's not good for anybody. You know friends for know the great anti-colonial thinker
He was a great psychologist. You I'm sure you're familiar with it. I said, aren't you? Yeah
I mean he he wrote studies about how settler colonialism creates a
total
Total collapse in the psychology of both the colonizer and the colonize
It has serious repercussions for everybody
absolutely it is I mean you see it in Israeli society both with the direct
consequences of like Israel's a bloody war and genocide around the entire
region you have their economy downgrading you have ports that are now
bankrupt you have Israeli economy collapsing entirely it's already been a
state that has been completely funded and facilitated and propped up by first
the British and then of course the United States of America but even
And beyond that, I feel like people behave as though the supply of bombs is infinite,
and people behave as though there is an endless amount of bloodshed that they can engage in
without incurring any sort of penalties.
But also on top of that, I think, from a more holistic approach, I think that the
Israeli psyche has been collectively broken in terms of the way that they analyze their
role in the region. And I think that there is a steady cycle of dehumanization in the
form of social conditioning, in the form of propaganda that needs to justify the violence
that is a necessity to maintain an apartheid even when you are not conducting a genocide,
right? And I think that that also has caused many Israelis that we see, at least
on Twitter, on social media, behave in incredibly violent ways, not recognizing why they are
becoming a pariah state, not just in the third world, not just in the global south, where
Israel was always viewed as a settler colonial pariah state, but now even in Western Europe,
which is actually relatively new. I mean, I've spoken about Palestinian emancipation
for almost a decade at this point in my professional commentary career, and I've
never seen the attitude shift so wildly in the direction of the recognition of the humanity
of Palestinians before. And I think that Israeli society as a whole does not recognize that
and does not understand what those consequences will be. I do, however, think the Israeli
government understands that reality. And I think that the last-ditch desperate attempts
are coming from the government both with Benjamin Netanyahu's personal ambition and staying in power
so he doesn't withstand any sort of like prosecutorial scrutiny, but also on top of that I think
there are people in positions of power within Israel and even in the American State Department
the ideologically committed to Israel's death and destruction that see that basically see the
the writing on the wall in terms of the way that the globe is seeing Israel and are saying
like this is your last opportunity to grab as much territory as possible.
That's the problem.
They do see it in these terms, but also some of them see it in messianic terms and religious
fundamentalist terms where they think that actually now is the time to eradicate the
Palestinians to take over the entirety of what they considered to be the Holy Land and then
basically establish completely a land free of non-Jews there.
This is a problem.
And then, of course, as they defend this project which is rooted in racial supremacy, the
Israeli officials have also weaponized a very legitimate and historically valid issue, which
is of course that of anti-Semitism.
Anti-Semitism is one of the greatest challenges that the world faced certainly in the Second
World War, and we've seen that materialized in the Holocaust.
It was appalling.
It was horrible.
It was a European invention and has resulted in the destruction of much of Europe's
But, to come and say that critiquing a very violent, racially supremacist system, that
of Israeli circumcolonialism, is equivalent to anti-Semitism, is absolutely outrageous,
and it is an insult to the memory of millions of innocent Jews that are perished on their
hands of anti-Semites in Germany and elsewhere.
It is also totally disrespectful to the idea of preventing genocide in the future.
I mean, now what we're seeing in Gaza now is, is genocidal.
We must prevent it.
And you can't kill all these people as Benjamin Netanyahu and then play victim.
Benjamin Netanyahu is not a victim, okay?
He's an aggressor.
He's a bloodthirsty demagogue who is carrying out a genocide.
And his entire cabinet is in it.
And they, and actually currently the current U.S. government is fully involved in it.
So this whole system has a problem in it.
And they realize that there are shifts
in American public opinion around this,
that there are shifts amongst the youth.
There's a huge shift in Jewish public opinion around this,
especially in the United States.
Nobody wants to accept this anymore.
So something is happening.
Something profound is happening.
However, in the meantime, there's a lot of people suffering,
Hassan.
That's the bit that people like you and me worry about.
Because yes, eventually these projects will self-destruct.
They will actually, they will not go anywhere.
Because it's a project rooted in a vision
of permanent injustice.
That doesn't work.
Visions of permanent injustice produce too many enemies.
Because you oppress people too much.
I mean, it happened in Haiti.
I'll give you an example.
In Haiti, the first great anti-colonial revolution
of our time, of modern times, happened in Haiti.
The whole population was enslaved, had a bunch of slavers that were saying everybody is under
the boot.
You have an enlightened leader comes in, a wonderful black revolutionary, formerly enslaved
person who goes and manages to organize people and they create one of the greatest revolutions
of all time, possibly the greatest actually, most inspiring for sure.
He says, I just want us to be sisters and brothers with the colonizer.
I just want we just want to be French citizens, we just want to be equal and they go and kill
and prison him, kill him and betray him.
So that leads them to the emergence of a much more, a much different vision that's less
inclusive of the colonists.
There's a lean leads a much more violent, you know, war of liberation and, you know,
we end up with that with a different situation.
This is what settler colonials do.
don't want that to happen. You know, they, they, they, they, you know, we can say they're
going to self destruct, they're going to create that we don't want that to happen. We don't
want them to also kill a lot of people along the way, which is exactly what they're doing
now. Somebody has to come and put some common sense into this situation. Now, on the
Hezbollah side, they have actually been very restrained. Okay, up until 2000, almost
all their operations, in fact, all of their operations, we're geared towards getting the
Israeli troops out of Lebanon.
Let's not forget, and this is the context that our viewers have to remember, Israel occupied
Lebanon directly for many, many years, you know, it had control over the Lebanese south
from 78 onwards, it had various forms of control there and occupation.
It has also developed proxy groups allied to it there that were wreaking havoc and causing
major insecurity.
These were gangsters, you know, the South Lebanon Army and others, very vicious.
And they were just dominating the people.
That's the original struggle that they had with Hezbollah.
From 2000 onwards, a many issue with Hezbollah is to make sure that the Palestinians
never get supported, first of all, and make sure that Hezbollah does not get activated
in favor of Iran in any confrontation that the Israeli state wants to have with it.
And here what that meant was that they're willing to go into a serious war.
In 2006, they went and destroyed large parts of Lebanon, killed a lot of people.
Again, people have historical amnesia.
They forget that this violent settler colonial regime has waged war on the people of Lebanon
for decades.
And then, of course, Hezbollah was also restrained with them.
It allowed for a UN force to come into the territory and act as a buffer zone, even though,
by the way, that should not happen.
Settler colonial states should not be protected, actually, by the UN or anybody else.
They should be pressured by a whole international community to seize their settler colonials.
you want the honest truth. But in this reality, Hezbollah is very, very restrained. Okay, it
understands that there's an international order that supports the settler colonial state.
It's very restrained. Same with Iran as well. And there's a very simple calculation here.
If you look at the Iranian retaliation that occurred today, and you look at the actual
civilian casualties, despite the fact that Iran demonstrated its capabilities this time
with the obvious expertise that they can penetrate through the Israeli security, that Iran does
have the capabilities of, if it wanted to choose to do so, strike targets at scale, civilian
targets as well, at scale, if they chose to do so, and yet they struck three military
targets today. The amount of people that Hezbollah in its tit for tat bombing campaigns against
Israel and the amount of people that Iran has killed in its retaliation against Israel
is laughable in comparison to the untold amount of the deaths of thousands of people both
in Gaza and the deaths of now a thousand at least people in Lebanon that Israel has engaged
in. So in terms of the civilian casualty, in terms of the enemy combatant versus civilian
ratio, if we're going to look at this in a cold and calculated way, obviously Israel
does come across as the far greater evil if the morality was made to be an even playing
field, which it is not. Obviously there is a nuclear armed superpower here that is backed by the
largest hegemonic superpower on the planet that is doing this death and destruction as a settler
colonial state. We're not even considering that, but even if you were to consider it on an even
playing field, then yes, the restraint is obvious in terms of the way that these actors,
non-state actors, or I guess Hezbollah is in a unique position because they are part of the
Lebanese parliament as well and also Iran as a state actor has demonstrated restraint time and time again
I mean you know you have here the settler colonial state engaging in regular assassinations
they've killed most of Hezbollah's leaders in this in this in this moment and still
their response was restrained you know why because at the moment Iran and Hezbollah
do not want a regional war. That's an Israeli desire. They want a regional war so that they
could perpetuate the genocide, get an American green light for even greater weapons shipments
to them, greater financial support for them. They want to unleash a full war machine and
dragged the region into permanent long-term war.
That is a horrific outcome, but it's an outcome that they want.
And through that outcome, Netanyahu can stay in power.
Ben-Gviren's Moutrish can realize their messianic
and pursue their messianic visions.
And the whole region then is dragged into the abyss.
This is the objective.
Now, the Iranians have not played that game
for a variety of reasons.
They know that their actual military power is limited.
They know that also their financial power is limited.
That does not mean they're powerless, by the way.
It is a major country.
In this region, it has always played a major role,
and it will continue to play a major role.
However, it is a country that is under siege economically.
It is a country that has suffered a lot from US sanctions,
from U.S. marginalization in the international system.
Its relationship with the U.S., by the way,
is far more complicated than just being reduced
to the Palestinian cause or the, you know,
because there was also an Iranian cause
in relation to the U.S.
That's why the Iranian Revolution happened.
You know, there was a problem with the U.S.
dominating Iran, carrying out a coup
against democratic forces there,
bringing in the Shah and the security set.
It's a long history.
Yet another instance where more moderate secular forces
or more moderate, and even dare I say,
social democratic or socialist forces were gutted
for their movements, and then, of course,
what took its place was significantly more
conservative forces in its stead.
Yeah, Musabdagh was a good example.
He was a secular social democratic figure,
of one popular election and was his only crime was that he was trying to say Iran's natural
resources have to serve the Iranian people. And you know, they're moving and insured then
that there's dictatorial rule by the shock. Oh, by the way, if you notice now, his son
is coming out on the U.S. scene, you know, using the Israel brand to make inroads into
their Republican Party and they're parading them around everywhere. It is really an interesting
collusion that's taking place between two very conservative forces in the region, the
force of Zionism and the force of the Shah's successor. But in any case, what we're seeing
here, Hassan, and again, I don't think people should think of this as I have to
be pro-Hizballah or pro-Iran or pro-anything or anti-anything in this part of the world.
I think what we need to think about is structural realities. Structural reality, number one,
is that there is a settler colonial order. Okay, that regardless of who leads it or
who is opposed to it, you know, in terms of ideology or political affiliation, the
structure determines much more, is much more relevant. So we have to understand
this. There's a settler colonial order here. It will always behave in a settler
colonial ways because what settler colonialism is and we keep on saying
this term but let's let's let's specify what it is. There were there there
were people living in that land before. Another group comes in from outside in
this case mainly Eastern Europe. It comes in shows up and says it's no
longer your land, I'm going to expel you. And then the whole region has to deal with that.
This group also expects then that nobody should attack it for expelling these people or pressing
it or killing it. And if decides to annihilate the indigenous population, as it's trying
to do in Gaza today, then everybody's meant to be silent. That's not going to work.
Secondly, the second geopolitical structural reality is that there is a history to the
settler colonial behavior that has affected the region as a whole.
But it's also a history that intersects with the American entry into the region.
So the settler colonial state fought multiple wars with almost every neighbor.
not almost. It fought multiple wars with every neighbor. So it has fought wars against Egypt,
killed a lot of Egyptians. And these were major wars of aggression.
No, you don't understand. They were the victims in all of that.
Of course. In 1956, when they conspired with the British and the French to invade Egypt and
take away Sinai and march to Cairo even, you know, that's there were the victims.
In 1948, when these Zionist militias were expelling people from their homes, and basically
ethnically cleansing the whole of Palestine, they were victims.
They say, oh, invading Arab armies, we're fighting against it.
No, you weren't.
You're fighting actually against the Palestinian people, and did not want anybody to defend
that people.
Yeah, it was interesting because there was no armies in Deir Ezzin.
It was just the only army presence, I guess,
was the terrorist militias that came in
and committed atrocities against the civilian villagers
that had actual peace packs with the Israeli villages
in the region, as a matter of fact,
that were a part of the planned ballot.
Right, up till May 15, 1948,
there wasn't a single Arab army in the whole region,
okay, and it was basically Palestinian villages
being attacked and ethnically cleansed for no less than six months.
And they had actually emptied out most of the main cities during that period, by the
way.
Haifa was ethnically cleansed before any single Arab army entered, Yehuf had the same thing.
These were the major, most important Arab cities.
We can go on and on about this Hassan, but the main point to emphasize here is, A,
The settler colony group is not a victim group.
It is very much in the Middle Eastern context using policies of aggression.
It refers sometimes to the legitimate history of Jewish oppression and victimhood in Europe
in order to cover up for these crimes, which is actually terrible that they're doing
that.
They should not be referring to that history in this way.
And now the additional thing to note here is that what about Palestinians?
What about Palestinians?
What about the Arabs next door?
What about the Iranians and everybody else in the region that I suffered from this project?
We don't talk about that.
The whole region rejected the partition of Palestine.
By the way, the partition plan is a misnomer.
It should be called the setting up of a simply colonial state in Palestine.
That's the real, you know, what really happened then.
every state in the region, and actually rejected that, including all the Arab states, including
Turkey, including Iran, including... They all understood what it meant. It meant a disaster.
It meant a disaster. And now we have to actually work on finding a common future beyond this
disaster that took place. There has to be, especially after this genocide, we have
to rethink everything. All the main precepts have to be rethought. We have to imagine a
future of justice and equality for everyone. A future in which Jews and Arabs of all religious
denominations and Iranians and Turks and Kurds and Armenians, everybody in this region,
can find a way forward beyond the ethnic tensions
and religious tensions that are encouraged
by this very violent settler colonial regime.
By the way, I'm not saying that this region does not
have problems of its own that preceded
the arrival of the settler colonists.
Of course it did.
Every part of the world has internal strife.
Every part of the world has serious problems.
However, the impact of settler colonialism has been horrendous.
And today we're seeing it, they're
trying to drag the region into a war.
Iran has said multiple times, we don't
want to get dragged into a war, even
if we're only president this time.
After this strike, it just said that.
They don't want war.
They want, in fact, de-escalation.
They want the genocide to stop.
They want the political solution to be considered.
They want respect for Lebanon's sovereignty.
How is it allowed, by the way, Hassan,
they keep talking about Israeli security.
Why is it allowed for Israeli warplanes
to go and bomb Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, and Iran at will?
Yeah.
No respect for the sovereignty of these countries.
For decades, not for a year or two or,
if one rocket enters the Israeli airspace,
Oh, this is a serious violation of Israeli security.
And why?
Why are they better than all these countries combined?
Why is it that we sometimes forget things?
Why is it why is Israeli piracy in the high seas allowed?
Now they talk about Yemen.
And they're attacking the Houthi attacks
in the Red Sea and so on.
Why was the Mavi Marmara Turkish ship?
Why was it attacked?
And the people on it were peaceful, peace activists.
They were killed in cold blood in the high seas.
And everybody was supposed to chat up around that
and say nothing.
How is that acceptable?
No, it's not.
I mean, Israel is also even allegedly,
Israel allegedly also blew up an American Navy ship
as well, the USS Liberty attack.
So it's just as long as it corresponds,
as long as it corresponds to American state interests,
like it's not like the United States of America
cares about its own civilians or its own citizens
or its own military members either.
If they did, they would not send thousands overseas
to go defend its national interests,
to go and, I guess, I don't know,
maintain a security posture over opium fields
in Afghanistan, only to get shot by people
that live there that want them out of there
or in Iraq as well to have IEDs explode
under their humvees.
If they truly cared, they wouldn't be engaging
such acts and lying to go to war and consistently do military occupation in this area.
This brings us to our responsibility as Americans here because let me be very clear.
I have an allegiance to the betterment of the lives of American people, our sisters
and brothers that are living in terrible housing, our sisters and brothers that do
do not have access to health care, the total oppression that we're seeing here in our own
countries unspeakable. I mean, I see it every day. And where is the money going to? Wars,
endless wars, this project of domination. They've just supported the Israeli state with
an enormous package, you know, this $16 billion package that went there. You could
fix the whole homelessness problem in the major American cities.
I mean, I know in Houston, it would not cost nearly as much
here where I live.
It would not cost that much to fix homelessness.
You would be able to actually support health programs,
support programs for our kids, for our schooling,
for the education system that is collapsing.
So actually, when we talk about visions
for the Middle East, it's also interconnected
with a conversation about visions for the United States internally.
What kind of society do we want to build here as well?
Is it a society that disregards the interests of the people
at home in order to expand imperial wars abroad
and support settler colonial states
like the Israeli state abroad?
Is that really what we want?
Or do we want a better future for everyone,
including Israelis, by the way, themselves?
They don't even know this.
But this permanent war model is not good for them,
but more importantly, actually,
it's not good for the people that are living
under their boot, the Palestinians, the surrounding Arabs,
the Iranians, everybody else in this part of the world.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Professor, for coming on.
It was delightful and very informative.
Professor Abdul Razak,
Tkriti, am I saying that right, by the way?
I don't know. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you very much.
Sorry. Is there any, is there anything else you'd like to say before I let you go?
Well, I'd like to end on a note, noting that basically this, this program of assassination,
spreading terror and wreaking havoc will not work in the long run.
And will not work even in the short run.
You cannot kill causes.
You cannot kill causes by killing leaders.
There will be other leaders that will come up.
I mean, the history of Hezbollah is a good example, but also
the history of the Palestinian movement,
and whether we talk about leftist parties,
or we talk about religious ones,
or any other political movement that we've seen in the region.
they will survive against assassinations.
The real issue, the only thing that will allow for progress
and change is actually structural change.
And that's what we need to be talking about.
And I hope that people here will think about it.
And that means thinking about the political
and national rights of the Palestinian people
and thinking about respecting the sovereignty
of the states that surround historic Palestine.
Absolutely, thank you so much, Professor.
Also, tell Daniel that he's wrong
when he said you're a low-tech scholar.
He's wrong about that.
You nailed it.
You got it.
You got it dialed in.
You have the discord and everything.
Thank you so much.
And a wonderful backdrop.
Thank you so much, Professor.
Have a good day.
I appreciate your husband
and looking forward to seeing you again.
Take care.
All right, bye.
Once again, Chad, that was
That was an incredible, that was an incredible guest for us, Professor Abdul Razak Takriti.
He teaches modern Palestinian and Middle Eastern history at Rice University.
A fantastic guest. He had a podcast episode with a dig.
And I hope you guys check out his stuff, his work.
I, yeah, he has a series called Tabuda.
I think I'm saying that right. I hope I'm not saying that wrong
But yeah to your point earlier about the Israeli economy. Yeah following the downgrading of Israel Moody's also downgrades the Israel electric company
Yeah, this is these are the punishments that
Israel is bringing about its own citizens its own economy it's throwing it because it's hell bent on
death and destruction
Fawr means revolution.
Alright, I'm going to grab my food and we're going to continue with the updates from what's
going on with respect to Israel's potential retaliation against Iran.
We're waiting right now.
Israel most likely in the upcoming hours will retaliate against Iran.
Their security cabinet meeting ended.
The debate is also coming up as well, not entirely certain as to when that's going to happen.
It will be, it will be, you know, there's a lot of motion, there's a lot of movement.
We'll figure it out.
It's at 6 p.m. Pacific though, the debate.
Leader of Hamas in Tehran itself.
So all of this contact is not given what the U.S. has been doing in the course of
day and in the wake of the attack and during the attack is doing no more than express utter support
for Israel in its ongoing actions. Mike Hanna joining us there from Washington with all the
latest that we're hearing from the US. Many thanks Mike. Well Iran's foreign minister has spoken to
his counterparts in the UK, Germany and France saying that its operation is over but it's also
insisted that if Israel retaliates to Iran's response will be decisive. Let's take a look
at what has unfolded. Over 200 Iranian ballistic missiles have been launched at Israel from inside
Iran. Many of those were shot down by Israeli air defenses and with the help from the United
States military. The US helped Israel by launching 12 interceptor missiles from two US destroyers
in the Gulf. Israel's air defenses went into action shooting many of those missiles down.
evidence shows that some of the missiles getting through Israeli defences are
detonating on the ground. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps announced
that an advanced hypersonic Fatah missile was used for the first time.
David DeRosh is a professor at the National Defense University and former Pentagon Director
of Arabian Peninsula of France. He joins us now from Washington DC. Now I should imagine this
This is something that you would follow very closely and really examine exactly what weapons
are being used.
What do you make of Iran for the first time using this hypersonic missile?
Yeah, I don't think it's true hypersonic missiles.
So a hypersonic missile has to have a speed in excess of Mach 5, which all exothermic
missiles have when they come in.
So, you know, pretty much every missile fired at Israel meets that speed.
But it also has to be maneuverable.
And right now, China, Iran, Russia all claim to have hypersonic missiles, but I don't think
any of them truly are because the surfaces, when you maneuver at that speed, they just
burn up.
This is the problem we had with the space shuttle with the tiles on it.
When the tiles got off, the heat was just too great.
So they were certainly going very fast.
They certainly are not to be discounted.
They're more accurate than pastoring missiles.
this idea about it being a hypersonic missile I think plays on the fact that
people just don't understand what that term means. Interesting, okay so can you
explain to us then what was used because it's been described by the US Pentagon as
an attack that was double in scope from that which was launched in April. No
drones were used in this particular strike so what exactly was used? So
medium-range ballistic missiles so these are missiles that go that are
launched from Iran that move up into the atmosphere and then they leave the
no, no, it's not it's not hypersonic. Maybe they're right. I don't know.
What the fuck did the David Slay or the Aero systems not catch any of these
fucking missiles? Another misconception. I'm very glad you
give me this form. Another misconception is that iron dome is all of
Israel's air defense. And as one of your correspondents noted, that only
deals with low range rockets coming from things like Gaza.
And so the U.S. Navy SM-3,
or other variants of the standard.
I'm eating right now, speech.
The US Navy ship's arrow, David's sling towards the end,
would be appropriate for intercepting these.
These come at a much higher speed
and from a higher angle of approach
than the sort of rockets that we've seen fired
by Hezbollah and Hamas.
And usually they're intercepted at a higher altitude.
I've seen video that seems to indicate
exothermic, or at excellent spirit rather, easy for me to say, interception. So even outside of the
atmosphere. Every attack, of course, gives Iran new information on Israel's defense capabilities.
What else do you think Iran has in its arsenal? Well, you know, what we don't know is how big
their starting number of missiles were. The April 14th attack was about 10% of their arsenal.
So this is probably at least another 10%, probably as high as 31%. There were domestic
protests in Iran calling for strikes against Israel after the killing of Hassan Moswella.
So they may have dipped a little bit further into their arsenal than they want.
I think that they fired a significant proportion of their latest generation missiles some of the missiles booster stage
The stages that get it into the atmosphere have fallen apparently in Jordan
There's reports of deaths there from the falling boosters
So that would indicate that they are using their latest model missiles, which are more accurate than the past ones
It looks as though they're using a combination of liquid fuel and solid fuel missiles.
The solid fuel missiles are easier to move around and hide.
And it looks as though they have had some success in overwhelming local Israeli missile
defenses.
But it remains to be seen what they are.
The only pictures I've seen of an impact are on open ground next to a building, not
buildings yet.
David, great to get your insight and expertise on this subject. Very interesting indeed. Thanks
very much for taking the time to join us there from Washington DC.
It's an honor. Thank you.
Now, as we mentioned before, there's been a mass shooting in the south of Tel Aviv in
the Jaffa neighborhood. The seven people have been killed and several others wounded.
Uh-oh.
Israeli police say the shooters were shot dead. They've since raided Palestinian
homes in the city of Hebron in the occupied West Bank in response to that shooting.
Leyla Oara joins us now from Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank. I mean this is a story that we
hear a lot. Israeli raids in places in the occupied West Bank but this attack is larger in scope than
Israel has seen on the ground for quite some time. No you're muted. Yes this is quite a
large attack that we see and there are videos going around of the attack taking place and
of the bodies that have been left. Reportedly at least seven Israelis have been killed and
several others were wounded. And people are still seeing these kinds of videos going around. And
this happened right before the missile attack that started coming in. So all of this kind of
happened at once. And so Palestinians are kind of started reacting to that and then immediately
had other things to react to. Meanwhile, the two Palestinian attackers were from the city
of Hebron, which now Israeli forces have raided. They shut down the Palestinian city in the
occupied West Bank, closed off all entry points. And there have been videos of these Israeli
soldiers raiding the area. And reports have stated that Israeli forces have gone in
and raided the houses of the Palestinian attackers and have, and are interrogating
families, kind of terrorizing the area. And this is something that generally happens
after there is an attack, where Israeli forces will go and what intellectuals are going to
do as a collective punishment policy to go then inflict all of this extra trauma on these
families and on these people for being from or related to the attackers.
Yeah, we've seen those scenes play out quite a lot, but certainly not under the conditions
that we've been describing and seeing and hearing about tonight when there were missiles flying
overhead from Iran into Israel and Palestinians there in the occupied West Bank unable to go
anywhere. Even as everyone in Israel also been into Israel was sent to underground bunkers.
Yes. And so meanwhile while Israelis were being sent to underground bunkers,
Palestinians have no safe places to flee to. There's no bomb shelters for Palestinians.
updates to the Israel-Lebanon situation today.
Starting with late last night,
you had IDF troops crossing the border into Lebanon
and what they described as a limited
and localized ground operation to take the fight to Hezbollah.
And that coming after a night of brutal strikes
across Lebanon that killed more than 100 people,
which makes the number over the past two weeks
1,000 dead and 6,000 wounded.
With outlets describing last night's actions
as an invasion,
though you had Israeli officials
trying to downplay the assault.
But I'm pointing out that Israeli troops
have done many incursions into Lebanon
over the past year.
Those generally done by special forces
which had conducted at least 70 raids during that time.
But apparently it's also been done by normal troops
on over a dozen occasions.
And all this drawing a lot of criticism from many,
including commentators like Hassan Tiker,
who is long been critical of Israel's actions
in the region, writing on Twitter,
Israel has packaged all its illegal occupational actions,
including apartheid in the West Bank and genocide in Gaza
by claiming self-defense.
America hasn't restrained Israel at all since early October
and now is quote self-defending by moving
to overtake Southern Lebanon once again.
But this is Israeli officials have their own version
of why they're invaded.
So it's not to reoccupy Southern Lebanon
like they used to before 2006.
Instead, saying is to enforce Resolution 1701,
which if you never heard of,
put an end to a short war with Israel and Hezbollah
back in 2006.
Both sides agreeing to withdraw from a specified area
that created a buffer between the so-called
blue line border on Israel's north
and the Latani River and Lebanon.
Instead, 17,000 UN troops as well as
the official Lebanese army would be put there
to keep the peace and help people back into their home.
However, despite Israel agreeing to leave southern Lebanon,
Hezbollah has pretty much ignored
the resolution completely.
With Israel claiming this allows the group
to easily launch missiles into Israel
from just across the border.
With one official even claiming,
quote, we've seen attempts of Hezbollah to infiltrate Israel.
In some cases, one of our brigade's deputy commanders was killed,
and this is something that they have been planning for years.
The IDF also showing footage of alleged Hezbollah tunnels
that go across the border, alongside accusations that Hezbollah planned to
massacre Israeli civilians like Hamas did.
So at least officially, Israel's goal is to get Hezbollah back
across the Latani River and to stay there as a non threat to Israel.
Would you have people saying there's a notable difference
from what it wanted in Gaza?
Right there, it vowed to eradicate Hamas,
but we'll also have to wait and see if Israel...
Well, I mean...
No.
Hey.
It's the same goal, like literally down the tunnels, man. Come on.
Also guys, come on. He's doing decent coverage on this. Okay.
Everybody calm down. I think he does a good job with Israel for sure.
You're crazy. I think, I think Philly D is the maximum, like Philly D is the
maximum fuck Israel position you're ever gonna get from a person that is like
offering in real time like as close to objective coverage as you can get your
you guys are forgetting what like the normal position is in mainstream media I
think he's literally presenting me in an unconvinced in a non contentious
manner. Like what are you guys talking? He simply mentioned that that is Israel's
explanation. I don't think that that is like a valid justification. Israel's goals
change as operations continue because a lot of people don't believe that Israel
will stop at this stated goal. And all of this comes as Israel has largely
decapitated Hezbollah's leadership including now it's a lucrative leader who
is at the group's underground bunker complex in Beirut. Though despite the
early successes of Israel's operation Hezbollah hasn't just been sitting
around. They've conducted rocket strikes across the border and hit many
Israeli towns. So the biggest fear is what Iran will do because they are a major supporter of
Hezbollah and they've had operatives working with the group in Syria for years now. I mean,
today we start off reporting that the U.S. fears that a missile attack from Iran was imminent.
So I'm even warning that embassy personnel and their families needed to shelter in place until
further notice. So Israel originally pushed back on this with an IDF spokesperson saying,
as of this moment, Israel does not perceive an imminent threat from Iran. But then,
as we were filming the show, they switched their tune with Rear Admiral Daniel Higari
warning that a large-scale attack was imminent and for citizens across the country to shelter in
place. With it then taking about 10 minutes for the missiles to travel from Iran to Israel,
and it was clear that this attack was much bigger than the few strikes Iran sent back in April.
And while information is still coming in, because this is developing as we're making the show,
right now it looks like Iran sent over a hundred intercontinental ballistic missiles into Israel.
This is a really important distinction because these are generally much faster than the
rockets Maas sends in. It's a real stress test for Israel's iron dome. Based on reports,
it seems like Tel Aviv was the target, and the footage is insane, right? There are waves
after waves of missiles falling into the city, some of which seem to be destroyed but
it's hard to confirm.
However, explosions were also heard, making it clear that some at least struck the city.
And it's just that as we're recording, we don't know the extent of the damage or how
many people were killed in the strike.
So of course, all of this marking a very, very clear escalation of the hostilities
between Israel, Hezbollah and Iran, which you know is why we've seen so many people
taking this seriously.
I mean, even before the attacks, the US and UK had troops on high alert in the
region.
And now since Iran's attack, Biden and Harris have meant to discuss the situation
on how to move forward.
And as for Israel, it is now widely expected that they will retaliate and former Israeli
ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren is on CNN saying, there are no facilities, including
nuclear facilities that are a real freak, bro, real freak ass bitch right here.
This guy.
Yes, I know the Taunaiisi Co's interview was really good with John Stuart and we'll
get to that.
Bune from an Israeli response.
So it currently feels like there's no reason to think that things will not continue
to escalate.
Specifically regarding that within Lebanon, the big question is what will Lebanon's actual
army do and whether Hezbollah will actually try to dig in and fight or just move behind
the Lattani River.
And then of course, with any Iran, everyone's gonna be on edge to see how Israel responds.
And again, this is all developing in real time, so we're gonna have to wait to see
what happens next.
And then are you watching the debate tonight?
And how are you watching the debate tonight?
Right at 9 p.m. Eastern, you got J.D. Vance and Tim Wal-
No, they did not level the Mossad headquarters, brother.
What are you talking about?
They did hit pretty close to the missile headboard.
Let's get back to it.
Very latest on the afternoon of that Iranian attack.
First up this hour, the dangerous escalation in the Middle East as Iran launched an unprecedented
barrage of ballistic missiles into Israel.
Let's go straight to CNN's Jim Shuda who's joining us now from Tel Aviv.
Jim, the Israeli prime minister is vowing revenge.
That's right.
Officially, both U.S. and Israeli officials described this attack, this Iranian attack
as unsuccessful, that it had been defeated by Israel.
And while that's largely true, in the aftermath, as a damage assessment begins, we are beginning
to see that some missiles struck.
They struck the ground either close to their targets or even hit their targets.
It does not appear they drew a great deal of damage at this point, but first we
can show some video.
It is unprecedented. It's just not on provost. Israeli air base, uh, to the east of, uh, to
the east of where we are here in Tel Aviv. And in that video, you can see like last attack
was also unprecedented. This one is also unprecedented. And top of the hour ad break
is precedented. Okay. Uh, it is not clear whether there was significant damage to the
air base, but at least those missiles, uh, getting close, close to there. Uh, there
There are also images that we're seeing from just north of where our position is in central
Tel Aviv, where a strike gets within, it appears, a kilometer of the headquarters of Mossad.
That's the strike you're seeing right there, Mossad, of course, Israel's international
intelligence services.
We saw this strike from our vantage point as it happened, and I saw quite a large
explosion from the roof of the hotel where we are right now when it struck. It is not clear
what the damage is and around there but again it shows just how close these missiles came
to what appear to be their targets. Our understanding is that the three of the main
targets were two Israeli airfields and one and the Mossad headquarters. Now in addition to
that as we were here in central Tel Aviv. We saw dozens and dozens of missile intercepts
over the city just over our heads in fact as they were happening. And as those Iranian
missiles were struck, pieces of either the missiles themselves or the interceptors fell
in and around us here in Tel Aviv. So the truth is, Jake, even with a six, I think it's
pretty wild that this community and literally fucking
got this information and did analysis over it. I think two
hours before CNN. And it wasn't like made up either. This was
like, we got real verifiable confirmation from fucking Eric
Toller and shit. So I do find it. I do find that very
interesting. Yeah, New York Times live feed was way faster
than CNN has been. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy how Iran Iran's a civilian infrastructure targeting
was, I guess they just couldn't do it. Or maybe they were targeting fucking military
equipment. I don't know. I don't know how to get take on this. It's like Israelis keep
flexing that like, Oh, Iran, you fucking idiots, you didn't get to kill a single
Israeli person it's like yeah that's not I don't know why that's a flex like it's
like they're very openly they're very openly showcasing demonstrating that they
have the capacity to actually hit inside a tele V I'll look at this I'll look at
this statement in a second but here Philip DeFranco also talked about me
again after in terms of the debate and live stream vice presidential debates
usually aren't that big of a deal.
One, this race right now is incredibly close,
so you never know what's gonna tip the scales.
And two, this may very well be the last debate
before the election.
Or because Trump has so far refused Harris's challenge
to have a second debate.
Which yeah, I mean if someone smacked my ass
like that on national television,
I don't know if I'd be coming around for seconds.
You know, with that, well obviously we're gonna talk
about the debate tomorrow.
For today, I gotta ask, if you're watching it,
how are you watching it?
Or because one thing that this whole election cycle,
but especially big events like this,
that put a spotlight on,
is how important streaming platforms like Twitch,
Kick, Rumble, and even YouTube have been.
There's been this long evolution, but now, more than ever, it's not just about gaming.
It's also about politics.
That is especially true this year.
In fact, on Twitch, for example, the number of broadcasting hours under the Politics Tech
has increased almost 40% since last year.
And yeah, of course, it has to do with how insane American politics have become
and the fact that it is an election year.
But notably, regardless of the reason all that's meant that streamers have become
a big focus for both presidential campaigns.
I mean, you're talking about millions of mostly young, mostly male Americans
whose primary source of news and information are these streaming sites.
I mean, when Paris demolished Trump in their debate last month,
tons of people were watching on a live stream
not connected to a news organization.
With the Sondpiker, for example,
unsurprisingly, one of the most watched
with around 170,000 people concurrently tuning into a stream.
That being 36% higher than when he streamed
a presidential debate in 2020.
And this is also you have people like Aiden Ross
who notoriously interviewed and gifted Trump
over Rolex and a Cybertruck back in August.
And audiences like Rosses, they're a key big thing
because that audience is what Trump's people
have explicitly referred to as target persuadables.
And what that means is men under 40 who are more likely
to get their news from social media
than from newspapers or TV.
But in any case, right?
The actual most watched commentator on a live stream
was a guy by the name of Dan Bongino.
Right, of all the numbers are legitimate.
He had around 349,000 viewers
on the conservative streaming platform, Rumble.
Which again, if those numbers are legitimate,
means that more people watched him stream.
Come on.
Definitely not.
The debate on Rumble then watched
the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, C-Span,
CNN stream of the debate on their own YouTube channel and beyond that rumble actually reportedly broke its record for concurrent viewership on the night of the
Harris-Trump debate with more than one million people watching across various streams. Yeah with that I ask again
If you're watching tonight, how are you watching because it should be an interesting one
Especially because I know that one of the concerns around walls is that he's not a fantastic debater
We'll see how it goes down, but then Nord VPN isn't just a sponsor of our show
Sam Bajino's cooking me dude. I fell off El Dahl
down. Speaking of Nord VPN, at the top of the hour there's a three minute abbreak. If
you no longer want to see those. This is the impact site for one of those around here with
subscribers. And if you see the size of this crater, that's about 30 feet deep and maybe
50 feet wide. You can see all the debris around here. And to give you a sense of
the targets for these strikes, that white building back there about 1500 feet behind
me is the headquarters of the spy agency, the Mossad.
This is the impact site for one of those Iranian ballistic
missiles.
And if you see the size of this crater,
that's about 30 feet deep and maybe 50 feet deep.
So this is in coordination with Israel.
Of course, this attack just unfolded.
And so they're going to do a lot of assessments
and calculations to determine the next steps.
When Jake Sullivan spoke to the White House press
He had said that president he was asked whether president Biden would speak with Netanyahu and he said he had nothing to announce from the podium
But that the president was tracking this minute by minute has anything changed in those few hours
Yes, I'm gonna be live
Here from president Biden who was asked the same question and he said they had not spoken
Since the strike happened, but that he planned to although he did not give any time frame for that
But it is notable Lindsey that Biden said the same thing a few days ago
ago, and that was before the strike, that he wanted to talk to Netanyahu because, of
course, Netanyahu did not agree to the ceasefire that the president was pushing for, which
is why the strike happened today.
And so because it was in retaliation for Iran, for Israel's strike that killed a Hezbollah
leader.
And so, you know, these two leaders, they have not spoken since all of these tensions
have escalated.
But again, the president says he wants to speak to Netanyahu at some point.
Richard J. Thank you.
The economy remains one of the key issues for voters ahead of the base coming up in two
hours.
Did you see this going to have a QR code that links the fact checking online?
I know it sucks.
They should literally do the same thing that like at the very least, they're not
going to stop in fact check. They should at the very least do the thing that like I don't
know do believe does put the real back. How is it possible to predict the implications of
that the consequences of that? That is why people talk about escalation. That is why
people worry that it's difficult to keep this keep a lid on it to keep it under control.
Our Cure Simmons live from Doha here. We appreciate all your reporting. We do want to turn
to where we are tonight, our special coverage of the vice presidential debate, which is less
than two hours away. Kicking us off here, senior White House correspondent Kelly O'Donnell Kelly,
so great to have you here with us in Manhattan, not a battleground state,
not exactly a battleground district in this election. I do want to ask you, how do you think
what's happening in Israel and Iran is going to affect this debate?
I think it will be a pressure point on the moderators, especially Margaret Brennan,
who covers a lot of foreign policy nor Donald's steeped in this I think they'll
want to ask about it and certainly it is about leadership and governance and
relationships all of them. I wonder if they'll be gracious enough not to
fucking ask questions about Israel specifically because it's like you know
it's uniparty and on YouTube he's got you on Google
talking about am I seeing this wrong brother I am what are you talking about
and Bongino is blue I'm red this is why I'm saying like it's bullshit like his
own his debate coverage getting like a lot of fucking media is bullshit look
Look at the map everywhere except for oh my God.
Shut!
You know, I say these places are not real, bro.
Montana and Wyoming, the only two states.
And I say states and air quotes
as though it's a real place, but it's not.
Where Dan Bongino has majority over me.
Classic classic dude.
Alberta, Shannix, Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. True. Montana is not real, bro.
It's not real. It's fake. It doesn't exist.
This is more evidence of its fakeness. It don't exist, brother.
You think Tim will say anything good up house? I fuck no.
I no longer believe, I no longer believe that Tim Walz is the secret Somali, okay?
I don't believe it anymore.
To take whatever action is necessary to defend U.S. forces and interests against Iran and
Iran-backed terrorists.
And we will continue to work with our allies and partners to disrupt Iran's aggressive
behavior and hold them accountable.
It was interesting to see the statement from all U.S. departments, the State Department,
the Pentagon and the White House about the ongoing discussion and coordination with Israel
during this attack. It's kind of unprecedented the terms of direct U.S. participation in an
ongoing attack. We had confirmation from all these departments that there was constant
coordination and discussion with the Israeli counterparts.
Okay, thanks very much. Mike Hannah there with the latest update on US reaction from
Washington DC. Now, let's go to Ali Vaez, who is the Iran Project Director at the International
Crisis Group. And he joins us now from Washington DC as well. Thank you so much for joining
us, Ali. A very tense time at the moment. Two months ago, Iran said that it would
react to the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Hania. Then we had nothing for two months.
And here we are, where they've carried out this attack, which the US has described as
much stronger than the one back in April.
How much has Israel's successes recently, by taking out those top leaders, whether it's
from Hezbollah or Hamas, have to do with what we saw from Iran today?
Well, those successes are a huge factor here because Iran felt that it was on its
back foot, that there was this perception that it's restrained since Hania's kidding into Iran
in late July was being interpreted by Israel as a sign of weakness. And it was worried that that
would encourage Israel to continue to press its advantage and even come after Iran's interest
directly. There was also a lot of domestic pressure in Iran that their passive approach in the
the past few months, has resulted in Israel basically continuing to push the envelope.
And some things have to change. And this is why Iran put aside its cautious approach in
the past few weeks and months and took this risky gambit.
And Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Araqi, says that Iran's action is concluded unless
the Israeli regime and I quote this, decides to invite further retaliation.
Is this about who has the last word, so to speak?
Because it's just constant retaliation here by the looks of it.
Israel then will say that it will react.
No, it's not about who has the last word.
It's about like if Israel fucking does like another little drone attack, then it's done.
If Israel retaliates by hitting fucking nuclear facilities or oil refineries, then
it's escalated to be even potentially tonight. We know that this response is going to be much
more devastating than what Israel did back in April, which was a very limited attack
against the missile battery. I don't care that Bernie streaming, bro. What the fuck?
I don't care. What do you mean? Oh my God, Bernie streaming. Oh my God. I don't care.
What the fuck is going on? He fucking streams all the time. Why do you guys care? Chat, calm
down. Yeah, talk to me when Bernie's actually twerking or playing fucking Bloodborne. Okay.
If Bernie Sanders is, oh my God, oh my God, I got a flashback. I got a flashback into
back in the day when I used to stream and Bernie was streaming, chatters would literally
come in here and be like hey how about you end your stream and raid Bernie Sanders right
now he's streaming to like show him support I guess though he's gonna know as though that's
going to actually offer any support whatsoever to Bernie Sanders like oh man I stray I raided
him that's pretty funny anyway oh this is good historical
carried out an extensive bombing campaign. Israel reported 158 people were killed, most
of them soldiers, and Lebanon more than 1100 people were killed in the month of fighting,
most were civilians.
I mean.
Ali Rizek is a security.
It would not be to Israel's satisfaction. So I think there is a real risk of a strike
on nuclear facilities. If not, it would be on IRGC's military facilities. But to be
honest, it doesn't matter what is targeted. If Iran suffers a significant blow, it would
have to respond. And then we are in this ballistic ping pong of Iran and Israel continue to target
one another. And if casualties were avoided this time around, eventually in a scenario
like that, we would end up with casualties. And from that point on, it will be an all
out war. And at some point in that crazy, it's always like the overwhelming majority
of the dead on the Israeli front is always soldiers and the overwhelming majority of the
dead on anyone who's Israel's enemies is always civilians. And the numbers are also far greater
too. It's just weird. It's weird that like Israel is constantly defending itself, but
there's such a hard time despite having significantly better weapons, despite having significantly
better targeting capabilities. Like they get the fly over Lebanon and bomb it. You
I mean, it's not like Hezbollah has fucking F-15s that they get to fly over Israel so strange and yet
It's Israel that's not considered the terrorist like I don't understand
It's actually Israel's enemies that are the terrorist what you're seeing whenever you have an air defense system
It's usually gonna shoot more missiles at the targets the incoming
Ballistic missiles then it would the number of missiles so in other words what I'm saying is if it is Israel
Isn't that because Israel is a conscription? No, dude. What are you talking about? No, because
no, no, the overwhelming majority of the people that they kill are fucking are actually terrorists.
That's why
when Hezbollah kills Israeli soldiers invading Lebanon, they're killing the terrorists invading
Lebanon. Do you think that, I mean, just look at what happened earlier today.
This is the second time Iran has struck Israel directly, okay? One casualty. And he was Palestinian.
How the fuck do you think that happens? You think they stopped all of the rockets that
were actually supposed to hit like civilian infrastructure? Is that what happened? No. You
think they wanted to, they were like, yeah, we wanted our bases to be hit actually. You know?
Well, maybe next week, this week, our new president is in New York, and you and General
Assembly, it's not a good time.
And we saw that what happened was that a few days later, Hassan Nasrallah was assassinated
by Israel, and I think that this is what pushed the Iranians over the edge.
And basically, in this internal discussion within the Iranian leadership, you know, gave
more influence to the hardliners from the IRGC that said they told the Supreme Leader
we need to retaliate against Israel.
So General Hurling, both Israel and the U.S. are valing that there will be consequences.
What might that look like, do you think?
I think there's going to be assistance from the United States on this, on air defense
trade.
The one Palestinian that died, the one Palestinian that died was actually a rocket that was intercepted
and it was the, it was literally, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, shut the fuck
up dude, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, never fucking bring that
in here ever again, never.
Are you crazy?
Are you fucking hallucinating?
Are you insane?
type of attack against Iran in a very short time frame.
The double standard is crazy for Israel, but we still have to consider that these air strikes
were not a good decision by Iran.
Is there ever a good decision that Iran can make in your assessment?
Actually, is there something that Iran could do that you think is like a good decision?
I guess like cease to exist.
The entire theocracy leadership structure, you know, publicly hangs themselves deliberately
in front of the entire public and then says, we are surrendering. We're killing ourselves.
America, come in. You have historic contracts for British petroleum. We fucked up. We will
now be led by, we will now be led by women who also happen to be British petroleum executives
and or how about they just give up and give their territory is real actually. I think
that's what they should do. You're fit at USC with sick UG. Thank you.
All right, General Hurtling, Barack Ravi. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it.
Just ahead, we're going to get back to our coverage of tonight's vice
presidential debate, which you will see live right here on CNN. We just got
some new information about Governor Walz's debate prep, and we're going
to show you how the two candidates that performed in previous debates.
We'll be right back.
Can you please admit that this whole air difference iron Dalmas bullshit
they can't even work with us seven other countries being in the air and
has also taken them down. This long decade rumor of the Iron Dome has fully been broken,
shattered, not just by Hamas in October, but by Iran in April. And now here's another example.
Yeah, I mean, the defense systems in the defense systems itself, literally, if America
is not permanently there, and if all of these other countries are not permanently fucking
in defense of Israel will not operate. But even with all of that, it still doesn't
work. It does not work. It is very obvious that it does not
worry is a fucking failure, dude, they hit. They said they were
gonna hit three military targets. They did hit those
targets. Okay, with the exception of the Mossad headquarters.
Like they they hit near it, but they didn't actually hit it.
It is very obvious to me that the iron dome not exactly
fucking effective.
Not in it. It's not just iron dome. I'm using I'm using iron dome is like the colloquial iron dome
There's so much more you have arrows one through three and you have you have David sling there are
Obviously for ballistic missiles like it's not the iron dome iron dome is for you know fucking bathtub rockets and shit
but I
Think the real shattering of the Israeli security was one that this chatter does not even bring up
which is ironically when the Houthis were able to penetrate it twice not once but twice so
It's not happening
And I don't know why Israel does not recognize the danger that that presents
In terms of like how it conducts its affairs in the region
for as long as it does
not the drone, there was a drone, but then there was also a hypersonic missile as well.
Even beyond that, American interceptors didn't work either and presumably nearby ship phalanx
systems didn't either.
We're talking about literally Sea Air Landmesh Network radar coverage and it failed catastrophically
Lamal.
Yeah, that's why I thought it was like kind of cope when the Pentagon guy was like,
Oh, it's not hypersonic.
I don't think people understand what that is.
That technology doesn't exist at all.
Okay.
No matter what it is, like it still was able to penetrate through literally the most versatile,
the most complex anti-missile system on the fucking planet, dude.
Like okay, let's say it's not hypersonic, it still fucking did it, it still did its job.
if I'm if I'm a responsible governor of Israel, who obviously not. But in this hypothetical,
let's say I am a disgusting apartheid monster. Okay, I still got to fucking be like, I don't
know, we should keep doing the things that we're doing. Okay, I don't know, because
seems like I do care about my constituents to a certain degree. Like you got to make
a new calculation at that point. It's like, these guys can just strike us. Fuck. Anyway,
Israel, the, I don't have urban early warning radar like the US does. We can launch planes
from aircraft carriers and from land that can track the missiles as they launch without
that support. The missiles are only visible to Israeli land based radar much later
in their trajectory, making them harder to hit judging from the fact that we
We only launched 12 missiles from our own ships.
It sounds like we were caught flatfooted.
Flatfooted.
Anyway, some quick and final thoughts about tonight,
and especially the huge thing missing from Iran's rhetoric.
Number one, the Iran retaliation was, as before,
extremely choreographed and surprisingly limited.
It also came with shorter but still ample notice of the US
in Israel to prepare defenses.
Number two, moreover, there were a couple of striking aspects
of Iran's commentary on the attack.
First, it was the striking.
It was striking the main announcements
were made by RGC, not the Iranian government.
the civilian government also wasn't half as saber rattling as you might expect.
I don't know if I agree with that. Oh, the government. Yeah. I thought he meant the civilians
because they were, they were demanding happen. Number three, this was a package deal of revenge
for Nasrallah, Hania and Sundry and other Iranian protegees. But there was one enormous
thing missing Lebanon. Iran did not tell Israel to stop in Lebanon. It didn't even
say lay off Hezbollah or else didn't mention Gaza. The only demand it made of Israel was
to not attack Iran itself and return. In other words, Iran is not going to intervene directly
either in the war in Gaza or the war in Lebanon. As far as outright war goes, Hamas and Hezbollah
are on their own. It's a huge win for BB. Will he take it? Actually, that's interesting.
I didn't really think about it like that, but it is, I think it's sound analysis, I do think
it is, it is not, I don't think this person is like, deliberately being like, oh, Iran
is selfish and they don't care, like, I think that it is decent.
Wait, why would Iran even launch missiles today then?
What do you mean it fucking, it's, those are Iranian proxies, Iran used to at the
very least communicate their desires in defending them. And it doesn't that much. They literally
openly stated that they were retaliating because of Ismail Hania being assassinated on Iran
in a soil. And IRGC commanders and top level officials being assassinated by Israel in
the region. They didn't say this is for Lebanon. That's actually not wrong. Iran
literally said, buried deliberately in their message that this was for the assassination
of Ismail Hania on Iranian soil and also due to the fact that IRGC commanders had been
killed. I think they might have mentioned Nazarala too, but pretty sure. Did they mention Nazarala
in the official communications? I don't know if they mentioned Nazarala even. They
They might have.
I mean, I think the ultimate reason is because of Nasrallah, but I'm saying in their public
statement they might not have if I'm remembering correctly.
Israel vows response to Iran missile attack is for Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps that
the assault was in retaliation for Israeli killing the militant leaders in aggression
in Lebanon against the Iran back movement has the law in Gaza.
Okay.
I guess they did say that.
motivation definitely is Nasrallah. I'm just, I thought, maybe I'm not remembering correctly,
but I did, I did feel as though they hadn't mentioned, like they very specifically mentioned,
they very specifically mentioned the fact that it was being done because of the IRGC generals
and commanders, and also because of Ismail Haniyeh being assassinated on Iranian soil.
I think that that is probably just their legal justification and that's the reason why I'm remembering that
because everything else
Because everything else is it might be the real reason
But everything else is basically
Not a legal justification you can make
killing your military officials or killing your envoys your diplomats
killing
Another person another diplomat on your soil
that is obviously a violation of
Iranian sovereignty that gives them legal right and responsibility to brutality targeted, but we've seen attacks all
Over Lebanon. What is Israel trying to achieve in Lebanon?
Bro, Israel loves I patched dudes, bro. What the fuck? No, I mean the simple answer is no
Israel has not had a strategy for 12 months, not for the conflict in Palestine and in Gaza
and also not for the conflict in Lebanon.
And obviously the two are interconnected.
What happens in Gaza had a direct impact on southern Lebanon.
The key, you know, what Israel is saying now is that they're trying to go in with a limited operation.
Nothing about it is limited.
It's actually fairly extensive.
More people have been killed in Lebanon now than they were in 2006
and we're only, well, even two weeks into the conflict.
So it's an all-out war now.
And even if what Israel wants to achieve is kind of pushing
Hezbollah back to the Litani River,
that is not something that is sustainable unless Israel stays
there or someone else moves in to kind of keep that area
clear of Hezbollah.
So the question is really, with the conflict in Gaza as well,
what's the strategic end game that Israel is after?
And that's kind of the key question.
Mr. Netanyahu has been somewhat Mr. Mission Creep,
if you will.
I mean, what he's been looking at, for the most part,
rather than coming up with a clear strategy,
It's kind of having it stringing up a random tactical and operational sort of effects in
trying to achieve strategy, but that's not how it works.
There is no vision of how Israel can receive and can deliver long-term stability and security
for its people.
And that's kind of the key question.
If it's all about dismantling Hezbollah's capability to strike, then obviously it can
be eroded, it can be degraded.
A lot of it happened already over the last 10 days.
The question is just what will come after?
How that in itself can't be just another strategy
of mowing the lawn is what we've seen for years
happening in Gaza, where you go in, you degrade,
then you move out again, you let your enemy in this case,
Hezbollah regroup and rearm and then fight another day
in a couple of years' time.
That can't be, that's not a strategy,
that's basically managing conflict.
And that's the big question mark,
is going in with massive cost for what end?
And Andreas, if we're talking about big question marks
that are looming here. If I could just drill down a little bit deeper into what you're saying.
I mean, Israel has continued to say not only that they want to degrade Hezbollah's capabilities,
but they've also said that they actually want to root out Hezbollah. Is that a scenario
that's actually possible? And from your perspective, what kinds of scenarios could
we see going forward?
Absolutely not. I mean, the issue of Hezbollah in Lebanon is a Lebanese issue. It's a
social political one. It's not one that definitely Israel shouldn't solve. It's
not one that external actors should solve. And it's certainly not something you
can solve militarily. And that's the key issue. Every time Israel has gone into Lebanon, it
made matters worse in 1982 and 2006.
Bro, I'm not gonna lie, London looks like shit, dawg. What the fuck is this background?
That we hear in Gaza is one that cannot be rooted out militarily. It requires social
things. I know he's spitting, but I can't get over the fact that it just looks like
absolute dog shit and my man's hair is crazy.
It's the issue of the Oslo process, the issue of Palestinian statehood, the right of Palestinians
for self-determination.
If that is being addressed, that's something Israel is thinking about.
Being in close as weather, bro, I swear to God.
It's the issue of mobilization, radicalization across the region, both in Gaza, but also
obviously in Hezbollah and in Lebanon, and that's something that Israel is unwilling
to do.
Ilan, as a former diplomat, let me ask you, what do you think about this current
escalation that's being carried out by Israel. And to the point that Andreas was making there
when it comes to the question that everybody's asking.
So one of the chances that we have free healthcare though, not for long. Not for long, dude.
Not for... just wait. Just wait for Kid Starver Keir Starmer to fucking go through the neoliberalization
of your healthcare.
Hamas and Hezbollah attacked Israel first, and brutalized Israel was trying to humiliate
us.
Oh man, they brutalized Hamas and Hezbollah, brutalized them.
And then see to become more and more nationalist, the brutality of October and then from Gaza
and then from Lebanon gave the government free hand to operate militarily on both sides.
I do not condone this and I do not represent my government but I think that in any conversation
the context must put in place and be considered.
Now, I think that I'm afraid that for Netanyahu for his political ends domestically in Israel
itself, continuation and let's say a restricted escalation of the military operations in Lebanon
sells him right.
It can give him some time before he needs to move on on his domestic issues.
The OG guy who has access to the Israeli metal gear is Moshe Dayan, okay?
This is just a cheap copy.
Well, motivated, so to speak, by solidarity with Hamas,
maybe more so serving an Iranian build-up of the Ring of Fire.
And that has given the government in Israel an opportunity to go for a military operation.
My fear is that, like in the past, Israel will be successful in moving into Lebanon
and dismally unsuccessful when it comes to getting the military out.
And the UN Security Council resolution in 1701 was sort of a very thin screen that allowed
Israel a level of coexistence with...
Wait, this chat has said, my boyfriend told me that most people that have eye patches
are doing it for aesthetic reasons.
Most people get...
Most people who lose eyes have either fake eyes, glasses with darkened lens or just
chill with their faces is. Yeah, my counters to that is fuck. Yeah. It looks dope as shit.
I'm sorry. It is one of the coolest fucking things. Like it literally is sick. Okay, straight
up. Yeah, in the unfortunate scenario where such a thing occurred, I would absolutely
wear a fucking eye patch. His one is kind of wack is really big. But yeah, it's dope
as fuck. Did Iran destroy Mossad headquarters? No, man. There's just a crater like 150 feet away.
No, Iran did not destroy the Mossad headquarters. Here, this is it.
That's the, I think that is the Mossad headquarters. This is what it hit.
Normally agree with you, but an iPad should dorky as hell. Nah, I disagree.
also not be if he's Japanese what the fuck how does one even make such an image like
that makes no sense like someone is a is a magima fan and yakuza fan and like how
did you have that locked in the chamber ready to go we're moving on from this
analysis. Let's hear Ta-Nehisi codes. Have a combo with John Stuart. Now, if you recall
yesterday, Ta-Nehisi codes learned very quickly what happens when you are, uh, Oh my God,
there he is. Wait, hold on. Jimmy Carter. Oh my God. Oh my God. He looks ready to go.
He looks ready to go, dude. And I don't mean like ready to die. I meant ready to
fucking run. Carter's honor the former president's grandson, Jason recently spoke to 60 minutes
about his grandfather's legacy. His four years in the White House was a remarkable time with
significant, significant achievements that worked after the, the way I'm not going to
lie at that point, maybe don't do public appearances. You know what I mean? Like yeah, dude, if
you can't close your mouth when you're at that age, like it's probably best not
to. It's probably best not to make public appearances, you know. News was there as he
was wheeled outside beneath the shade of his trees to witness military flyover with four
fighter jets. I think Jimmy Carter should run. I kind of respect it if he wants to dog.
You think he has a thought in that mind? Are you fucking insane? Did you just not
see him bro he cannot close his mouth what are you talking about dude dude you
think he has mental faculties at this point you think he can consent you think
he's like yeah please wheel me out I would like to see the fucking I would
like to see in general anything I don't think he has that capacity anymore
Jimmy, old Jimmy, literally straight up looks like, like a Dark Souls villain, dude.
He looks like, he looks straight out of Bloodborne, like what are you talking about?
He has former years for sure.
Have you ever seen Frankie Valley singing this year?
Yes, I made the Jimmy Carter jokes when we covered it on the Fear and Podcast.
past week actually this last episode I literally made Jimmy Carter reverence when
Austin brought up the timely reverence of Frankie Valley still singing at the age
of 94 Jimmy Carter is so old he's not even a fucking blood-borne villain okay
he is now like a blood-borne item that your character eats okay like he
literally is no longer even a villain he's like he's like an item that the
character eats that used to be like an ancient deity but now has shrunk in size as a consequence
of like losing as a consequence of like being a curse or something you know and then you eat
the item and then it unlocks a special ending at the end of the game he's like a relic in
the loot no literally dude he's he is is true he is loot at this point he's reverting the
peanut form. Yeah. Okay. Let's watch. Anyway, by easy coats, ladies and gentlemen, I covered
this extensively when he went on, he went on good morning America or whatever, one of
those like CBS programs and was met with an insane amount of ridiculous accusations
and criticisms, okay, that he was not expecting in my opinion.
As soon as I found out about this, by the way, the guy who actually was saying, your writings
look like it would be in the backpack of an extremist, two Ta-Nehisi coats, I found
And now that Tony DeCoppel is an adult convert to Judaism and also responsible for this article
by the new statesman titled, My Adult Circumcision, How I Made the Cut for My New Religion.
The remain uncut, I was told, is to remain spiritually cut off from the Jewish people.
So he is, oh, I don't know if he's over two, but apparently he was married to a Jewish woman
who he got divorced from and then, and then he went and he was like, well, I'm already
invested and he got married to another Jewish woman after that.
That part is whatever it's neither here nor there, obviously, you can, there are
plenty of American Jews or anti Zionists. It is however,
still pretty funny that he chose to write an article about how
he got an adult circumcision. Okay. And, and yeah, I, I'm
sorry is, what am I supposed to say to this? You know, this is
like, this is insane. See, yeah, thank you. This is what I
So cost fallacy for cock skin is crazy. Yeah. Um, turns out there are people who make this
decision as an adult and consent to being circumcised. I understand the world doesn't
usually think much about adult male circumcision. It's like having a chat about war about ball
trampling or the Pentagon's Kevlar underwear, even on, even on the covered wagon side of
circumcision wars where people fight for the four skins of baby boys. No one talks
of our grown men getting their corn shucked. Take it to Craigslist please. I get all this
and so much more. And yet as someone who knows the sting of this particular ritual, who volunteered
for it in fact, and signed his own check the part-time reaper to the part-time reaper
who did the job, I have to say it's not so bad. There's no need for any of us to
go on treating our junk like our father-in-law scratch-free Ferrari. It's much tougher
than you think. I came to this knowledge on the way to the altar of all places. I was engaged to
a nice Jewish girl taking some free conversion class at a big progressive Manhattan synagogue.
I wanted to learn about something that mattered to her. And the more I learned, the more it mattered
to me too. This wasn't a fur coat and summer kind of congregation. It was part of the reform
movement. Only came for high holidays, mostly casual about pork, always down with gay female
rabbis. When one of my own rabbis, gay females, slipped me the number of a mole, a professional
snipper, I laughed it off. Classic Jewish humor, a moll. Medically speaking, dude, given the
circumstances of like, given how difficult it is to convert to Judaism, you don't ever
have like the, uh, the zealotry of a recent convert when discussing Judaism. Okay. My man
got double-circ. It's kind of cool. Let's watch. Tony. He's the coach. Talk to John student
about Palestine. But first let me circumnavigate the issue to this man's brand new tip. Yes.
Because the man who ripped into Tana, he see who tried to rip Tana, he sees Dick off
for the record is a man who got his dick ripped off twice, I guess, this time, the second
time as an adult. And also, and also wrote about it. I'm sorry, there are not many instances
where we have the opportunity to talk about so many intersections of things that I care
about. Okay? So many of the, so many of the subjects that I normally would cover and joke
about intersecting in this perfect harmony rarely ever happens. Okay? So yeah, I'm gonna
cover it. Medically speaking, I was already circumcised. Oh my God. Along with most of
the other babies born in America in the 80s. But that's no good for God. I needed a hatha
fat dam brie, a drawing of blood. To remain uncut, I was told, is to remain spiritually
cut off from the Jewish people. That's the idea of the covenant.
While bloodletting has always been a condition of the orthodox and conservative wings of
Judaism, reform congregations have been willing to welcome the sexually sheathed
and uninjured. Biblical law doesn't require otherwise. Neither do most of the arguments
of the Talmud. But a funny thing, dude, this guy's a literal nerd for Judaism. That's crazy.
He's like a, what would be a Judaism weeb? A weeboo, a maraboo, a jweeboo. It doesn't
work that way it almost sounds like a slur Korean true what the fuck I mean
what are this is insane this is actually a very unique type of person that I did
not know existed okay it's kind of cool sometimes you sometimes you meet a guy
in the wild and you're like, I didn't know a type of guy like you existed in the world.
It's awesome. I need to see this guy's dick. I agree. This guy just has a Jewish fetish.
Why do we like guys like this? Do the news? We don't like BDSM guys report on military
torture techniques. Yeah. He, Felix texted me that directly last night when, because
The first thing I saw when my friend sent me this article,
I think it took me approximately three and a half seconds until I immediately
sent it to Felix. I was like, you have to see this.
When I, when I see something like this, it's like, he is the first guy.
I send things like this too. Okay. I'm like, you get a lot of this thing
that I found.
It was even before I sent it to my discord.
this gem of a person
His dad was a successful version of weed dealers who forced you to watch an entire movie with them
Yeah, how much dick did he have he's just chopping pieces of it off left and right it's crazy
How much dick remains?
Okay, okay, okay
but a funny thing happened on the road to
gay female pork friendly Judaism the reform movement began to ask
ask more people to put some skin in the game in an era when the forces of cultural assimilation
pose such a daunting challenge to our continued existence of distinct people, Rabbi Mark Woshovsky
explaining an essay of Reformed Judaism, the official magazine of the movement, in the
fall of 2008, also the season of my SNP. This admittedly ancient tribal custom bears
a message that we all we do well to hear. That's how I found myself biblically nude
in the kind of a spiritual locker room, a shower space in a converted brownstone, waiting
on a man with a razor. The surroundings were civilized, more university clubbed than Russian
bath house. Blue black tile ran along the floors and climbed the walls. A minty scent
hung in the air. But all noise had already washed away in the roar of my thoughts.
I was 12 when Lorena Bobit cut her husband down to the size of an elevator button,
igniting prurience and anger. It was hard to get the seventh grade of the morning
without encountering sliced soda jokes and love hurts humor. It all made the very idea
of external genitalia seem well kind of crazy. All of it so fundamentally exposed. When the
moille arrived, he looked, I'm sorry to say like Danny DeVito in curls. We stood in silence.
I opened my towel. Hello, groin. He opened a shaving bag with glinting instruments. Hello
knife, my Moyle produced a pen-sized lance, which he wielded ever so gently, like Lady
Granton with a paring knife he sliced, sliced, squeezed, dripped, and it was done.
Bro, what are you doing, bro?
Oh my God, he's talking about his shit getting chopped off!
I'm sorry, at least Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina, Margaret Robinson had the
decency to talk about his fetishes on the fucking forums of nude Africa.
He did not write this weird shit on a news magazine specifically for public consumption.
Okay?
He wrote this on the New Republic?
Oh my God! This is insane!
The whole transaction was over in seconds, long before I could scream or faint or decide if I liked it.
Instead, I felt the way I remember feeling as a child when, rising early, I could watch light fill the woods behind my house, revealing nothing at all scary.
When the Moel finally spoke, he spoke in Hebrew and I couldn't make out a word of it, but I had the feeling that the substance of his words was important, and that if I could understand him, I would be in the possession of something profound, a message from God.
It's only a penis.
Dude, there's nothing funnier than the fact that his wife then divorced him.
Okay, you got your shit chopped off, and your wife still left you dumbass.
That's awesome. Okay. He's like, hey, welcome to the religion. Also, fuck you. Oh, that's great.
So, last thing is force good saw. Oh, my God. They have his money and half his dick. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Do you not know who Lorena Boben is? No, I have no idea what that is. Did I know what that is?
What is Lorraine a bobbit debate is starting? No, it starts it. I thought it was a six
Oh, that's the lady who cut her husband's dick with a steak knife
And then he was able to actually get a surgically reattached
Costco
Escort pulled the prediction of who will win the debate
Bro gizmo max
Why
You're a fucking mod. That's illegal flag on the play you can't you can't
That is crazy that my mod threw a alley-oop to a chatter
That you bait me at the fucking top of the hour. This is crazy
She threw it into a cornfield and it had to be found
Like the bond of the bond of trust the holy bond of trust
between streamer and chat was desecrated a long time ago okay it was destroyed
completely and utterly but the sacred bond of trust between a mod and their
streamer being passed aside like this I don't know what to say here Rose
dramatic as fuck. I am. I have a penchant for drama, but right now in this dramatic moment,
drama is what you need. Or maybe you need a subscription, either a $6 a month subscription
or a free one in the form of a Twitch Prime. Or perhaps you need luck. Luck is how you can
arrive at a gifted sub. These are the methods in which you can avoid the top of the hour
ad-break. Low-key anti-semitic Nagila on common L Hassan take. What is? I don't know if you
know this chatter, but as a Muslim, I have my shit chopped off too. And I think it's fucking
insane that someone would go through that process voluntarily as an adult if that's
what you're talking about. Okay? Unless you're talking about me serving a three minute
a break at the top of the hour. How much would it take for me to get impregnated by you? It's
not going to happen. But I like that you asked that right after you subscribed. So at least
you won't see the three minute break. Here it is. Good bait. You sounded heartbroken.
Uncut an intactivist journey. I'm sorry for betraying you. I will do it again.
No. Yeah, I will never trust you again. How about that? Bro, this shit is crap.
I can't get over this anyway. Now, let's get back to a person who is also
circumcised, but I suspect as a child and not as an adult, John Stuart.
John Stuart is not a convert, but he is Jewish.
And let's hear what his interview look like as opposed to the fucking weirdo
Tony, whatever the fuck that guy's name is,
Tony Dukakis.
I keep forgetting his last name.
Anyway, I don't know why I'm transitioning
off the circumcision, but I do have it on my mind.
It is hard for me to not see it.
Let's continue.
You are grappling.
This is a book of grappling.
It's reparations, the purpose of art,
the purpose of writing, your role, your responsibility.
the Israel Palestine, I can see you want to go back to just writing comic books again
for five years.
This is, what was in you that you thought I need to take on these big questions, including
what is this for, what is writing for?
I have for a long time had in the back of my head that we do not have a complete understanding
of politics.
That is to say, we think of politics as what happens inside of a voting booth, you go in
and you choose, you know, pull a lever for whatever.
But there's a whole entire architecture that happens outside of that voting booth that
defines what goes on inside of it, what issues are appropriate, frankly, who is human and
who is not.
And that is the work of stories, movies, television shows, writing, all of that.
And being a writer, and this coming out of, you know, me talking to my students
at Howard University at the time,
I really, really wanted to address that.
You know, so often I get the question, why should I write?
Why should I say that?
Not in general, but by the time they get to me,
they usually, my students are like there.
But a lot of other times when I'm out in the world,
what is writing gonna do?
Like, what is it actually gonna change?
And what I wanted people to understand
is writing actually shapes the world around you entirely.
Right.
See, I would have said basic cable, but okay, right.
But somebody has the right to scribble, right?
Somebody has the right.
That's exactly right.
Exactly.
Is that do you grapple with that as a burden or a call to arms?
What is for you?
How do you wear it?
Oh, it's exciting.
It's exciting.
Yeah, it gets me up in the morning.
Right.
It like pumps my blood.
Like I can't wait.
You know what I mean?
Like there are people who, I got a friend who's an ER doc.
Right.
And I was texting this morning about, you know,
everything that was going on.
Right.
And he disappeared.
He said, sorry, this guy just got shot.
I'm sorry.
And I said to him, how beautiful is it to have work that actually matters?
Like, y'all, they're saving people's lives.
And I'm not an ER doctor, but it is a blessing to feel like what I write actually matters in the world.
It gives me meaning and purpose, and I kind of wanted to convey that to all the young writers, who hopefully...
As inspiration.
Yes, yes, the beautiful thing.
Your friend, was it work when the guy got shot, right?
He was, yes, he was.
Because for a second I was like, wait, he was at work, right?
Yeah, he was at work.
was like you were talking to me, it was like,
no, no, no, he was at work.
All right, that's very good.
Do you get frustrated, and this is something
that I think about sometimes, that the world that you would
prefer to see, that the arc of the moral universe
bends towards justice and the work of writing,
is trying to help facilitate that,
that it is that that arc of moral justice
is so resilient against bending,
that it's so hard to matter in that form.
I get sad.
Right.
And there are a lot of moments in here where I was really sad.
Right.
You know, but at the same time, like I said,
it fills me with purpose.
I don't know if I would add that purpose
I talked about just a few minutes ago.
You know, without that great difficulty.
Honestly, it feels great to know
that if I actually try really, really hard at the thing,
If I actually worked really, really hard to write the best book I possibly can, you know,
that could be here talking to you, that it actually-
Oh, you could have written a shitty book and been on there.
Listen, if that's the case, I can tell you that you didn't have to work-
Come on, man.
I feel like this year-
Really?
This is too much glaze, bro.
Talk about the cool stuff.
But it is.
It's a beautifully felt book.
I wanna ask-
Cal longtime water first time commenter why verified accounts only what do you mean? Anyway,
listen, Tony's he closed wrote about his his change in attitude towards the recognition of
Palestinians as human beings. Okay. And most of the media was like shocked by it almost because
they're like you're one of us like you're in the fucking halls of intelligentsia you're not
supposed to fucking say shit like that. And that's pretty much it. And his categorization
from one of the chosen ones to someone who is going to quickly fall out of favor has absolutely
been noticeable, right? Inside of like the liberal media ecosystem, you do still have people who are
extremely critical of Israel that get, you know, some space allotted to them every now and then.
But overall someone like Ta-Nehisi Code's doing that is actually unique because he goes from like
being at the tippy top of liberal intelligentsia to being deranged. There are not a lot of people
who have gotten to that level. Like this is Barack Obama's favorite writer, you know what I mean?
This is Barack Obama's favorite author being like, yo, Israel's doing an apartheid. I saw from
I saw it with my own damn eyes like this shit is unacceptable.
There's a certain aspect of your career that has really tried to.
It's not even clear why Libs propped him up in the first place.
His OG work is just as controversial as the Palestine take.
I mean, I think he's still a liberal.
That's why he has like a, he has a,
is an idealistic notion of how things work for the most part.
Also talking about reparations and making a case for reparations is very different than like
Directly especially in the United States of America where like that seems
That seems so far out of reach as
Opposed to like directly criticizing as opposed to directly criticizing our ongoing
Suicide pack with a genocidal apartheid regime is a little different
to reconcile, not with things in the present, but their vestiges, the structures of racial
politics, slavery, economic injustices where it might not be the active virus, but it's
these vestiges of it that still, you know, lead for the record.
John Stewart gets to obviously criticize Israel,
but I mean, he is a comedian.
Each into the groundwater and make it toxic and polluted.
This book felt a little different
in that you were also going into the present.
Yeah.
And bringing those lessons with you.
And I thought that was a really moving part of the book.
Yeah, that's true.
And I guess I'm gonna be the one to broach this,
But it was obviously most active when I was in Jerusalem when
I was in high school when I was on the West Bank.
I mean it was it was the history, but the history was
active right and that was.
That was tough. That was something used to you know one
is on slave plantation and say well, yeah, this did happen
150 years ago, but here's I you know you still feel the
impact and you know it's right now right it's right
now and it comes on the hills. So in the book, you're
also you take a trip to Senegal. I do yes.
Is that in relation to your trip to Israel and the West Bank in that same time frame or is that was that split?
It was about it was a so I think I went in
This would have been like September of 2022 to Senegal in May of 23
to the West Bank and to Israel and
Really enough they are in conversation with each other. I can't say I intended that right well, that's that's why I was curious
Yeah, fun. He went against the grain in his case, but liberals shouldn't get a medal for doing the bare minimum recognizing the humanity of other people. I'm sorry dog, but you coming to the conclusion that what Israel is doing is unconscionable is not the same as him
doing that with his fucking platform. The amount of social and political capital that he is basically
fucking expending in an effort to utilize his cherished platform, okay, and broad recognition
and celebration from liberal intelligentsia to say something like this is brave and should be
celebrated, especially when you've literally written an article celebrating Israel and then
recognizing the errors in what you have done. Okay. Stop stepping on chatters. No, this should
be encouraged. It should be celebrated. I will absolutely welcome any and every fucking liberal
or any commentator, no matter what their background is, as long as they arrive at this
conclusion in an earnest manner and advocate for, for what is right. That's it. My mom
visited Alex in 2022 and is really weird listening to her experience with the checkpoints
and hours of waiting and investigations, all that compared to these media clouds to visit.
We're running around in Jewish people who visit Israel and don't have to go through any of
that.
Mind you, my mom isn't even Palestinian.
So I can't even imagine the Palestinian experience, dude.
What matters is when you see it and how you are moved from that experience, because
there's nothing in it for him to come out.
Okay.
There's nothing in it for him to fucking come out and defend Palestinian emancipation.
There's actually more in it for him to go there, see the, see the fucking atrocities,
see the apartheid with his eyes and then whitewash it.
Okay.
I don't know why chat.
Yeah.
That guy's actually gatekeeping being morally correct.
Yeah.
Please guys, stop being so cynical.
Okay.
The entire purpose of what I do on this broadcast is so that I can change people's
minds.
Okay.
never pass someone aside for having a genuine change of heart okay it's so
strange to me and I think that this is something that you guys really really if
you if this is an opinion that you hold you really should not have this opinion
any longer okay you should it it is a very important fundamental that I
I apply to every aspect of my life, okay?
And it is at the heart of my understanding
of rehabilitation over incarceration.
It is in my commentary,
whenever I talk about cancel culture,
it is very important to me.
And it should be important to you as well.
If your real left is real progressive,
you have to give people space to learn and grow, okay?
It's very, very important.
And it's also very productive.
It's at the heart of building a large and successful movement.
OK?
It is how you organize.
Yeah, but when chatter should have changed your mind,
you fight them.
Good argument that you just made there, thank you.
Exactly, I do.
I like that.
Isn't part of our goals of the collective action
to make sure as many people as possible change their minds.
This is an extraordinary, and then immediately starts making arguments against it.
It is extraordinary.
It is extraordinary when someone changes their mind.
Okay.
And I will celebrate that, especially because it's not very common.
Okay.
Stop it.
Stop being like, stop being like this.
Okay.
especially because so many of you also went through this journey on your own okay you quietly went through the journey I went through this journey we all did okay what the fuck like that's crazy man have this fucking community did not agree with most of the things that I advocate for before they encountered this community and became productive members of this community okay
Okay?
I'm not going to fucking sit here and debate about this.
No one is born a Marxist-Leninist, anti-racist child.
And if you are, then that probably means you're fucking sheltered.
Let's continue.
Because there is a music there between the two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, there is.
I mean, Cynical is very much about me, frankly, investigating the very stories that
gave me my name and gave me my identity and trying to work through that and frankly not
completely working through it by the time I got over there.
And then I take this trip with this wonderful organization of Palestine Festival of Literature
and I get over there for five days and I spend another five days with these XIDF guys
who had their own political evolution.
This is very weird to say, but as much sympathy as I had for-
It's crazy. John Stuart still has not accused him of loving terrorism.
It's weird to me that John Stuart has yet to accuse him of writing a book that will
create more terrorists or something. I don't fucking know. Weird.
for the Palestinians, watching Zionism in the world,
even feeling like this is wrong, what I'm saying is wrong,
I was like, my God, I know how you get here.
I know how it happens.
And I don't mean like I approve of it,
but I mean like I see, I see how it happens.
I totally see how it happens.
Is how you see how it happens,
because you talk about Yad Vashem
and going there and being moved.
move is the idea because you have a line in the book that I think is is one of the most
powerful which is and I want to make sure that I get it right which is your oppression
will not save you.
I was raised with full zenith indoctrination camp and even after seeing the West Bank it
was hard to shake so much of the ingrained trust that was brandwashed with. Chatters
don't understand what it's like unless you go through it takes balls for coast to
come out like this. I mean, yeah, but he's also a black man in America. I think that
he's, uh, he, I don't think he went through the same process that you did. You know what
I mean? Unless you're like evangelical or some shit, like in growing up in the church,
like many non Jewish people don't go through that same level of indoctrination. For them,
it's more so like the only information they have is like severely limited. And that
is by design, of course.
There isn't like extra justifications.
No, I know, I got that.
I got that chatter.
I'm saying it's different for you and your journey
as opposed to Tony Hasey coats is what I was saying.
Like it makes more sense for you
to have gone through this upbringing
and have like these hangups.
It's not, I think it's like truly, truly interesting
that so many Americans are so careless
and so indifferent to the cruelty
that like, that they also arrive at similar points of view.
You know what I mean?
It blows my fucking mind.
But then again, I never had to go through that
because I'm Turkish, you know?
I, my, my interpretation of, of, uh, Israel has, as long as I've known myself at least has
always been like, Oh, that's a country that like America is leading.
That's a country that is, is doing a lot of death and destruction in the region, um, as
a direct imperial vestige, like not with those terms, but pretty much that is like
the way a lot of people from this area interpret Israel's existence as
for understandable reasons that many of you have been,
have become more aware of since October 7th. Right?
I spoke a lot of non Israeli Jews have become anti designers over the past year,
but there's a lot of pressure from the community to stuff it away because we
have a tribal mentality where we're scared of, we're very scared of anti
Semitism. I often wonder if I'm a self-hating Jew. You are not a self-hating
Jew. Do not ever let anybody fucking tell you that. That is ridiculous.
I mean, look, I'm not Jewish, obviously, but having said that, your perspective as an anti-Zionist
Jew is closer to Jewish culture, Jewish tradition, and Jewish history than Zionist Jews are.
Straight up.
It doesn't matter what the indoctrination says.
It doesn't matter what so many in your community will tell you.
You literally are closer to Jewish tradition and Jewish history.
And there are obviously millions of anti-Zionist Jews out there as well that you can look to
for, for pointers on this.
It's crazy.
Hassan, it was a three-year-old Twitter mom's talk about.
No, dawg, I'm just from a fucking Muslim country.
What are you talking about?
Like that's why I said I didn't use those, that language.
But like, yeah, if you're from there, if you're from around there, your interpretation
of Israel is very different. This is something that a lot of Americans don't understand. Like,
you know how when we look at like Chinese internet and we're like shocked at the way that
Chinese netizens operate and the cultural norms that they have or the way they communicate or
the opinions that they take for granted, that's what it means when you grow up outside of the
fucking sphere of Western influence. Okay. And it's still very different than like obviously
my upbringing. But yeah, it's just that's just what it is is social conditioning. I'm saying
that I didn't have to like work super hard to arrive at these conclusions. I was basically born
into an environment with these conclusions to begin with. Having said that, of course, I did a
lot of reading to truly comprehend the scope and the nature of this conflict and the in
humanity. But, you know, culturally speaking, my understanding was or my posture against American
imperialism was always, you're so dumb. Yes. Do you think she will be trustworthy? I'm Jewish
and I love Israel, not a bigot here for open discourse. A cap on how much you make. LLL,
sorry, it's on. You made too much money. Time to give it away. Let's unban this guy.
It's also costly to go against others in your in-group. It's not easy. I know that was like
the most common thing I saw with anti-Zionist Jewish Hassanabi heads of the pro-Palestinian
camp and is that like there is definitely a lot of there's definitely a lot of like freezing out
those people from all of the all of the aspects of community that you normally
engage with that is like a normal part of your existence you know you get ostracized
like a book said my Jewish tradition opposes apartheid pretty simple yeah apologize to me
You were honestly see me pretty lived up a few months ago, but now all I can do is glaze you
I don't know if it's just my perspective with some things happen to make you double down stick into your guns
Apologize to me because what?
No, I'm not gonna do that our mouse debuted her news Vtuber model for you
Okay, dude no
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1993 as motherfucker anyway please don't log it lasted 30 minutes big man what
do you mean we're just having some fun before the fucking debate starts okay
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them because i literally show chat so you can see all the emotes if you look at the screen
Anyway, all right, let's finish this John Stewart video, which is and you write about that in
relation to the black experience in America, but also about the Jewish experience in the
Holocaust as well as in Israel.
And what did you mean by that?
I think we would like to think that you go through, you know, a horrific experience
to be at the middle passes, Jim Crow here,
be at the Holocaust or the centuries before that,
of pogroms, oppression, et cetera.
And somehow you will be morally improved
by coming out of that.
You might be, you might be.
But it's just as likely that you will conclude
that in fact the world is a cold, hard place
and it's a zero sum game, you know what I mean?
And what matters is who has the guns and who doesn't.
You know, I stand opposed to that, just on principle period, you know what I mean?
But I get how people take that lesson, you know what I mean?
And I think it's disconfinning for us to feel, because we feel sympathy for people, you
know what I mean?
Of course.
I'm walking through Yad Vashem and I'm feeling it on a very, very deep level only to come
back here and realize I was, you know, about a mile away from a massacre of a Palestinian
village. That's hard to take. Hey, it's you know, I mean,
listen, I was I'm raised in obviously cultural Jewish
tradition. And I imagine, you know, if you were to feel like
people in the name of your people did some things that you
found objectionable, it hits you different. Yeah. Yeah, no, it
does. It does. It does. And it's not a complete parallel. But
that's why in that chapter, I wanted to talk a little bit
about Liberia, for instance, you know, I mean, and just
the idea. I get it the appeal of hey we're gonna have a state our own, we'll get away
from these people that did you know X, Y, and Z for us, we will have safety there and
yet then you find yourself enacting you know systems that if not are the same or similar
at least you know morally deeply problematic.
Right. And having to justify them through either threat or the situation or you don't
understand. Yeah.
And what I'm wondering is, is that the story in a condensed form of all of us?
Does for society to progress, does there also have to be exploitation?
Do you grapple with this idea that when we think about anything, whether it's the American
story or the Israeli story or any of those, it's stories of empire, whether it was the
the Ottoman Empire or the Caliphate, it's groups of people.
Yo, chill, hey, chill.
John, you're about to get on my bad side.
Hey, yo, you're about to get on my bad side, dog.
Yo!
Living under the gr...
Why you say fuck me for, bro?
What the hell?
Grace of a leader who controls their lives
and can we progress outside of that?
Do you think about is there another way to do this?
Has there been another way to do this?
If we shine that light on any country that grew through, won't there be a story of exploitation
and mistreatment that we find?
Maybe not as horrific, but we find it.
Yeah, I think though we have to guard against the temptation to accept that history is
necessary to limit to who we are as human beings.
because I mean you know that's been you know it's been that way that it
necessarily has to be that way I will for instance highlight you know the
underlying role of nationalism and the belief that a nation-state is the way to
secure and safeguard a minority that is a very recent development as a belief
system actually right you know if that is not eternal that's not a prior to
that wouldn't it have been tribalism or wouldn't it have been something
It would have been a pope, it would have been, you know, my allegiances, you know, X,
Y, and Z.
But what I'm saying is, it is not innate in us to say, I am of this ethnicity.
We should all have a state together.
And perhaps more importantly, we should deny rights to people who are not of that ethnicity.
We don't have to be that way.
We don't have to be that way.
A man from the limits of God's ears, I always wondered, you know, there's that
I can't remember the experiment, but it was they assigned a class where people with brown hair
I mean he's already gone and all of a sudden people with blonde hair were like
They got sad and then the people with brown hair started to kind of abuse the people
With blonde hair and there's a part of me that thinks boy we could solve
religious differences and
Somehow we would go back to killing each other over something else
equally as arbitrary and that I'm wondering how you get that that zero-sum
game element that you witnessed up front out of it because I'd like to believe
it's not malevolence but ignorance and fear. I think it's a lot of fear. I
frankly I think it's a lot of anger. I think and obviously for obvious
reasons you would notice about it to me but I sense that alive is the
humiliation of the Holocaust. I think that is, you know, very, very much president.
Right. And not feeling like I will never be in that position again. Sure. You know,
that's a that is at least everything I've read from Jewish scholars that interpret Zionism.
He's 100% on the money. Like it is, it is, it is a, I mean, he's right.
The really good way to interpret it.
Well, never again.
I think the thing that so many Jewish people, and not everybody,
look, it's not a monolith either.
Religion and Jewish culture is certainly not a monolith,
and there's many different opinions.
I think if we start from a baseline of,
I would like a safe and secure,
Israel and a safe and secure Palestine.
And that's my starting point to any argument.
argument, and then we're just talking strategy. But I think the idea of never again, you try
to internalize it not just as a self-defense kind of dictum. You hope to think of that
as never again for anyone. And that's the part that feels the worst. When you look
look at it in that way.
Can you explain how it's possible
our Harris Biden supporters are okay
and opposed with what's happening?
Is it so backwards to man?
See some completely okay with everything
but some against.
But both parties are in support of Harris Biden.
Yeah, it's easy.
America, American foreign policy is brutal
and seemingly unchanging.
So we as a society have deliberately
kind of put that on the back burner. We never think about it. It's just a thing that happens.
Yeah. Yeah. Also people are selfish and don't really care. People are so selfish they don't
even care about like they're fucking neighbors. They certainly don't care about a group of scary,
barbaric, violent animals they've seen on TV constantly calling for the death and destruction
of the United States of America that they have been conditioned into believing is an enemy of
there's. And I'm curious how you feel, you know, so in Africa, you know, I'm curious about what you
think about this idea of diaspora. Yeah. When people are in diasporas and it carries this weight of
you are lost, you are not in a place where you can, you know, I don't think Italian people who
live in America think of themselves as I'm in a diaspora, they think of themselves as like,
like, I'll take a tour, maybe when I'm all, you know what I mean?
But Jewish people, black people, there's this feeling of somehow we're not safe.
And I feel like that's a dangerous, that's a dangerous thing to think about.
Does it not come from being degraded and being made to feel like you are outside
of the place that maybe you would like to call home?
This is great.
That's interesting.
Book, the pity of it all.
It's about Jews in Germany for Holocaust.
Are you going to make me read something else?
No, no, no, this is going to be quick.
I promise to be quick about this.
I'm still just getting through breaking bad.
I can't even.
But it's all of these, you know, Jews who, all these German Jews who want to be German,
right?
Like they really, really want to believe in Germany.
Right.
And they get the Holocaust.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Like that has to assault your sense of, you know, the idea that you can somehow
be safe out of the Holocaust.
And then how much does humiliation play a part in all of it, including kind of what has
been what we would consider the modern age version of exploitation and colonialism?
Like, I mean, even when we think about the regions that you went into, we're kind of
a post-World War I mandate that was drawn, you know, Lebanese, Syrian, Palestine mandate.
The French are going to take this, the English are going to take that.
I mean it's, you know, pawns on a board that people are moving around and does that humiliate
a region to the point where if we don't address that, we can't get through it.
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
I mean, I will say that one of the hard things about that and getting a little too psychological
about this is, I spent 10 days there.
So you know it all?
Exactly.
One of the tough things was, I have to tell you, the perspective of Palestinians and the
extent to which their perspective has been pushed so far out of the frame was incredible.
I felt like I was seeing a new world, you know what I mean, and that's like shameful
for me to admit.
I'm not bragging about that.
You know, it's not because that world wasn't there, that world hasn't been trying to
present itself.
But I mean, I just wonder how many of these conversations would be improved if our
media organizations made a concerted effort. Whenever they talk about this topic to ask,
do we have anybody Palestinian that we've invited to talk about?
I think access to different stories has always been a difficulty for America in general because
of that sort of solstice world view. We tend to be slightly narcissistic.
I find it really hard to accept this really is doing it because they never want to go through it again. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not that it's
That's not what anybody here is saying
They're saying that the the like
That it's very core
Zionism it like has built that understanding into its uh into its very foundation
that like
never again to us. It, it, you know, unimaginable atrocities have occurred. It's not a real justification.
It's a false justification. It's just, it's propaganda. That's what it is. And that's
precisely the reason why there are so many, dude, there are so many fucking academics,
dude. There are so many goddamn scholars specifically that cover the Holocaust, specifically
that cover the genocide that are Jewish themselves, that also say the exact same
things that I am saying. Okay? It's like you cannot be that close and make it your
lives work and then not recognize right from wrong. Okay? That's it. Is it? Do you
think Zionism is a reactionary movement? Yes, of course. It is an ethno-nationalistic
fascist movement built around supremacy of one group. Yeah, of course. Of course it
It is a reactionary movement, apps fucking Lutely.
What's more interesting is that given the historical background that it was built on
top of and it has been able to, I guess, infiltrate as though it is a progressive ideology.
Like it's kind of wild on that front, especially because it's also attached in a defensive
posture against like real bigotry, anti-Semitism is a real bigotry system. Yeah, comes to the vision of it.
And it's such a necessary thing. I wonder if it really improves it. I mean, here's, here's something
that I grapple with. I've known about it forever. And friends who have Palestinian families who've
suffered through it. I have friends in Israel who suffered through it. And I, it sometimes feels as
though, the only people that benefit are the powers that be.
And all these good people are so left behind by this weird power structure that we left
in place there.
And I don't...
But you bring up an interesting point which is a path forward of reconciling humiliation.
And I don't know...
What is the mechanism of that?
Is there one, and is it that sort of, you know, you think about South Africa and Truth and Reconciliation, but is there a mechanism
to heal that for people? Or is it purely self-determination, and that's...
No, I don't know.
Well, that's all the time we have.
I don't know.
But it is, I wonder, because you bring up such an issue, it is such a powerful river of emotion.
I think, I think Tony Hsikos is more of an overt anti-signist than John Stuart is, I would say.
But you know that's neither here nor there besides the point when you say I can almost not cry talking John Stewart
However historically is one of the most
Like mainstream figures that has been very critical of Israel like
Significantly more critical of Israel than most other mainstream figures. So he stands alone in that in that perspective for sure
Yeah, because it's it's so deeply
gets at the heart of our humanity like people just want to be seen and just want
to be no and it's powerful I could feel it yeah I could I could really feel one
thing I would suggest is and we have actually had this struggle with this as
African-Americans and I'll tell you this from the black perspective there is
This is great not always spoken shame in the black community over the kind of physical
traumas we've endured.
You have to understand man, every single one of us, every single African American is a
child of sexual violence.
All of us.
All of us.
There is not a single pure African American who came through a sleep.
There is an amount of humiliation in that.
There is an amount of humiliation in watching, and I've written about this, you know, films
from the 60s and watching these kids and these children, you know, get beaten by the cops.
There is humiliation in, you know, watching today, you know what I mean?
George Floyd, you know, a knee on his neck.
And I do think, you know, a significant part of it is understanding, particularly with
the past, these people didn't want to be enslaved.
You know what I mean?
These people didn't want to get beat.
And it's not true that these people did nothing.
It's not true that these people just willingly, you know, went to it.
There was a slogan out for a while that a lot of us shouted down, we are not our ancestors.
As if to say we somehow are more resilient and right.
Can you break down the sexual violence claim there?
What do you mean, brother?
What do you think a chattel slavery breeding program looks like?
Black people were not bred, and I can't believe I'm saying this.
I can't believe I'm using this terminology, but like black people were
Every black person under chattel slavery
That at sex with a white person was raped there is that that's it they were slaves
It's not a claim it's just a
objective reality
Is due to say can you get him on stream? I'd love to get Tony's coats on stream
I mean, explain assertion on interrogate claim.
Thank you.
Existent, you know what I mean?
We're not going to be punked and jumped.
Yes we would have, if we had been there,
we would have the same thing would have happened.
We don't die.
We don't play that.
There's such an analog with that,
with the Jewish community.
And there is, you know,
and you hear it a lot about, you know,
the first thing Hitler did is he disarmed the Jews.
And you're like, the Jews were not like
gun-toting mother-f***ers.
Like, you know, if you were taking our violins,
anything that happened to him.
Like, oh, they disarmed the Jews.
And that's how Hitler was able to get the Jews to do that.
That literally is like a reactionary framework,
by the way.
It's also a historical and, unironically,
is like a Zionist framework.
The idea that Jews were disarmed,
like they were not strong enough to fight back.
Like, that is what the other side of that conversation
looks like.
And it's one, historically incorrect.
There were definitely some gun-toting motherfuckers
on the Jewish side, both on the Allied Forces front,
specifically inside of the Red Army,
but also beyond that in the American front,
and also beyond that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising
and many other forms of Jewish resistance.
No, I'm not talking about stern and ear-gulling, dude.
I'm not talking about fucking terrorists.
I'm talking about, I'm talking about like the good fight,
okay, not the bad fight anyway.
And you're like, oh, you know who had guns
and didn't do too well with Hitler?
France.
Right, right, right, right, right, right.
But you're right, there's that sense of like,
how could you let your people,
how could you allow that to happen?
And it does skew their perspectives.
and I can already see your next book.
Where you fix it all.
It's really, it's an amazing case kind of thing.
Amazing is.
This interview, this conversation wasn't as good
as I thought it would be.
I mean, I'm glad that it wasn't as like,
it wasn't hostile or contentious, but there's a man.
And listen man, like let's not kid ourselves.
Once you delve into Israel Passant,
you're gonna take a ton of shit.
I don't know where it's, it'll come from everywhere
And I hope you don't wear it personally,
but you've done the most important thing.
Can I just say one quick thing?
Yes, please.
It will not measure up to the burdens of what I saw.
Palestinians on the West Bank Barrier.
It's not your thing.
That's an excellent point.
The only point I was going to make
is through your discomfort, albeit not the same discomfort,
you've done the most important thing, which
is try to advance and delve into an understanding
of a complexity that we haven't figured out in 10,000 years.
And so I applaud that.
And your writing, as always, is so beautiful and moving.
So thank you so much for being here.
Thank you so much.
The message!
You making a bingo card?
No.
It's the bat time.
It's coming up.
It's coming up.
It's coming up.
It's the bat.
It's the bat.
Okay, prediction time.
Prediction time.
Are you guys ready?
I think Tim waltz has been neutered. Okay. Tim waltz has been neutered. I think that Tim
waltz is not going to have as strong of a showing as I suspect him to. Tim waltz was
Tim waltz been fucking packaged. Okay. He's been, he's been pack watched. He's been packaged.
been compromised. He is no longer the secret Somali. Okay. My goat is washed. My goat has
lost the sauce. Okay. Adult circumcision time for Tim Walz. It happened. Now what do I mean
by this? Okay. What do I mean by this? This motherfucker came in and he came in and he came
out. Okay. He popped off. He single-handedly brought forward an incredibly solid. He told
calmly, he's a bad debater. The camp is leaking to the press that he's nervous. Um, you know,
that could be to like, uh, that could be to ease people's expectations or set expectations
low. But also, not only is he a fucking bad debater and he might be nervous, I do
personally think I do personally think that like JD Vance is definitely a solid attack
dog because he's the disgusting person. Okay. He is a disgusting person. He is a moral. He
is a bloodless, soulless career is little rat monster. Okay. And much like Pete Buddha
judge. That type of person does fairly well in debates. You got to be like a sociopath.
Okay. Many politicians are. I don't think Tim Waltz is. Okay. He doesn't have that smoke.
You know, who else didn't have that smoke, even though he's a good guy. And I'm not
even like comparing them in terms of their ideology. But Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders,
dude overall, not a good debater. He was way too fucking way too limited in his lines of attacks.
Okay. That's in practice with male people. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. My point is
my point is he's too nice, I think. And beyond that, more importantly, Tim Walts
was a very good communicator of, of even Kamala Harris is dog shit policies. Okay. But ever
since the rollout, they've kind of, they've kind of put them on the back burner. Okay.
They've kind of basically cast them aside. They're like, all right, Tim, all right, Timmy,
give me two time, chill the fuck out, okay? And I personally think that given the reality
that Tim already is like nice, not a very good debater, and also on top of that the
fact that he's like, basically rate limited, having to defend Kamala's dog ship policies,
a triple Monty you don't want to be on. Now on the other side, on the other side, you have
Jedidiah Don Vance, JD Vance, who is patently unlikeable, gross, disgusting, amoral, freakish
monster, looks like a German boy whose lollipop fell on the floor and their ants covering
it. He always is out there looking like mine lowly, like that's what he looks like.
nasty. He's got eye shadow. Nobody likes to look at him. Everyone's like, bro, ew, stop.
Can I not look at you please? Even Trump looks sexier than JD Vance. Okay.
Man, no, Lee. Anyway, um, JD Vance has that working against them. JD Vance also disgusting
podcast monster, you know, just has is also like, has this like nervous energy, he's real
fucking nervous, like please like me type energy that he has, I think comes across as really
fucking gross. Okay. On the other hand, it seems that Lena
the hubba was JD Vance's debate coach. So I don't know if this is real or not, but if
it is real, he will take an L for sure. I mean, that's crazy. JD Vance is like Jeff Bush,
but less sad. Yeah. He just, he's just gross. He sucks. He is a, a, he is a brown. Those
are through and through I don't think Americans like that type of thing overall I think JD
Vance being the fucking gross little piglet that he is is going to is going to attack
Tim Walsh mercilessly and maybe Tim Walsh will be able to just showcase how weird that
is. And if he can do that, then he'll come across unscathed. But if he can't do that,
and he's rate limited by Kamala's policies, and he doesn't have a firm grasp of what's
in front of them, then he's absolutely cooked. And by cooked, I mean, ultimately, it doesn't
matter because the VP debates are the most inconsequential thing. I'll be honest with
Like, this is, there's not a lot of motion here, okay?
There's not a lot of motion here.
There's not a lot of movement.
There's not a lot of momentum.
I think the common momentum is gone.
As I said, it would go away.
Post DNC especially, I think it just like fucking boom.
Stop that shit dead in his tracks.
That's why you haven't seen like enough movement in the polls.
I don't know if the media will be gracious enough not to bring up Israel.
Or at least the Iranian attacks. They probably have to. I mean, that's a huge story
in terms of foreign policy
But maybe they'll abide by the uniparty principle there and
Ask it in a way that is like favorable to both parties. I
Can see people considering them more consequential than usual because Trump is
Brainless so Vance has thought of the brains of the operation and Harris didn't get a primaries of waltz
The new blood new quantity people are interested in do you think people are that interested in it?
I mean, this is a VP debate and there's only 76,000 people in here that are waiting for it
You know
Which which which is the original stream the og stream? I guess there's 368,000 watching on CBS. So that's
You know, there's a lot of people watching
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Good evening, I'm Nora O'Donnell, and thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News vice presidential debate.
debate. We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the U.S. and
around the world. We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that
matter to you, the voter. Let's introduce the candidates. Minnesota's Democratic Governor
Tim Walz and Ohio's Republican Senator J.D. Vance tonight meeting for the first time.
I'm Margaret Brennan. In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are
rules that both campaigns have agreed to.
Questions will be directed at one candidate who will have two minutes to respond.
The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.
Then each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional
one minute each at the discretion of the moderator.
The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates,
enforce the rules, and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact check claims
made by each other. CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidate's microphones to maintain
decorum. We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns. The stage is set.
Governor, Senator, thank you for joining us. Let's get started. Tonight our country is facing
several unfolding crises. The Middle East is on the brink of war. Americans are suffering from
the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene. And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers
from Maine to Texas are picketing. We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East, Margaret.
Thank you, Nora. Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack
failed thanks to joint U.S. and Israeli defensive action. President Biden has deployed more than
40,000 U.S. military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent
a regional war. Iran is weakened, but the U.S. still considers it the largest state sponsor
of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a
nuclear weapon. It is down now to one or two weeks time. Governor Walz, if you were the final voice
in the situation room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?
You have two minutes. Well, thank you and thank you for those joining home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started October 7th. Hamas terror
Massacred over 1400 Israelis and took prisoners. I ran or I
Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental getting its
hostages back
And ending the humanitarian crisis in
Gaza
But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental
Necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. You saw it experienced today
We're along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming
Attack, but what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter
It's clear and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago a nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about
Crowdsizes is not what we need in this moment
But it's not just that, it's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how
dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous.
His chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever
met.
And both of his secretaries of defense and his national security advisors said he should
be nowhere near the White House.
Now the person closest to them, to Donald Trump, said he's unfit for the highest
office.
advance. What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady
leadership. We've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the
coalitions to bring them together. Understanding that our allies matter
when our allies see Donald Trump turned towards Vladimir Putin turned
towards North Korea. When we start to see that type of fickleness around
holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. And as the
vice president said today is we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there
will be consequences.
But your time is up.
Senator Bantz the same question.
He didn't even bring up Palestine.
He's so bad Israel on Iran who have two minutes.
So Morgan, I want to answer the question.
First of all, thanks governor.
Thanks to CVS for hosting the debate and thanks most importantly to the American
people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention
to this vice presidential debate.
I want to answer the question but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little
bit because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
I was raised in a working class family.
My mother was a food assistance for periods of her life.
My grandmother required social security help to raise me and she raised me in part because
my mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served
in Iraq and so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary
gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live
my dreams. And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in
the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable. I want to try to convince
you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better leadership in the White
House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going
to be attainable once again. Now to answer this particular question, we have to remember
that as much as Governor Walts just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos,
Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing
effective deterrence. People were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran, which launched this attack,
has received over a hundred billion dollars in unfrozen assets, thanks to the Kamala Harris
administration. They use it to buy weapons. The Kamala Harris administration loves Iran.
And not forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well. Donald Trump recognized
is that for people to fear the United States,
you needed peace through strength.
They needed to recognize that if they got out of line,
the United States global leadership
would put stability and peace back in the world.
Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret,
and I wanna answer the question.
Look, it is up to Israel,
what they think they need to do
to keep their country safe,
and we should support our allies wherever they are
when they're fighting the bad guys.
I think that's the right approach
to take with the Israel question.
Thank you, Senator.
Governor Balls, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.
We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history.
But when Donald Trump was in office,
it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations
that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in,
the inability to advance it.
Donald Trump pulled that program
and put nothing else in its place.
So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before
because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.
And when Iran shot down an American aircraft
in international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted
because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.
And when Iranian missiles did fall near US troops
and they received traumatic brain injuries,
Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.
Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.
He will go to whoever has the most flattery
or where it makes sense to him.
Steady leadership like you witnessed today,
like you witnessed in April,
Both Iranian attacks were repelled.
Our coalition is strong, and we need the steady leadership
that Kamala Harris is providing.
Senator Vance, the US did have a diplomatic deal with Iran
to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program.
And President Trump did exit that deal.
He recently said, just five days ago,
the US must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran
because the consequences are impossible.
Did he make a mistake?
you have one minute. Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word,
but I think that's something that Governor Walts just said is quite
extraordinary. You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon
today as they have ever been. And Governor Walts, you blame Donald Trump.
Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years? And the
answer is you're running me, not mine. Donald Trump consistently made the
world more secure. Now we talk about what the sequence of events that
led us to where we are right now. And you can't ignore October the seventh, which I appreciate
Governor Walts bringing up. But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. So Governor Walts can criticize Donald
Trump's tweets, but effective smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring
stability back to their cooking. Donald Trump has already done the Republican side is cooking
on this issue. When was the last time? I'm 40 years old. When was the last time that
an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout? The only answer is during
the four years that Donald Trump was president. Gentlemen, we have a lot to get you. I hate
that a lot. Let's turn out the hurricane Helene. The storm could become one of the
deadliest on record. More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.
say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because
of the historic rainfall.
Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, seven in 10 Americans and more than 60 percent
of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S. taking steps to try and reduce
climate change.
Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce
the impact of climate change?
I'll give you two minutes.
Sure. So first of all, let's let's start with the hurricane because it's an
unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw today actually
photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six year old child and it
was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and
those innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure Governor Waltz joins
me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people. Our prayers go
out to them and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as
we can get to save as many lives as possible. And then of course
afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.
I mean, these are communities that I love.
Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia,
all across the Southeast,
they need their government to do their job.
And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again,
the government will put the citizens of this country first
when they suffer from a disaster.
And Nora, you asked about climate change.
I think this is a very important issue.
Look, a lot of people are just fibrously worried
about all these crazy weather patterns.
I think it's important for us, first of all, to say,
Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
We want the environment to be cleaner and safer,
but one of the things that I've noticed,
some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about
is a concern about carbon emissions.
This idea that carbon emissions drives
all of the climate change.
Well, let's just say that's true,
just for the sake of arguments
that we're not arguing about weird science.
Let's just say that's true.
Well, if you believe that, what would you wanna do?
The answer is that you'd wanna reshore
as much American manufacturing as possible,
and you'd wanna produce as much energy as possible
in the United States of America because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the
dirtiest parts of the entire world.
And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit
of economic output.
So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to
do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.
Unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
Governor Walls, you have two minutes to respond.
Well, we got close to an agreement
because all those things are happening.
Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy
with this hurricane.
And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there
in contact with the governors.
I serve as co-chair of the council of governors
as we work together on these emergency
managements, governors, no, no partisanship.
They work together to solve the governors
and the emergency responders on the ground.
Those happen on the front end.
The federal government comes in,
make sure they're there to that we recover,
but we're still in that phase
where we need to make sure
that they're staying there, staying focused.
Now look, coming back to the climate change issue,
there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene
faster and stronger than anything we've seen.
Senator Vance has said
that there's a climate problem in the past.
Donald Trump called it a hoax
and then joked that these things
would make more of each front property
to be able to invest in.
What we've seen out of the Harris administration now,
the Biden Harris administration
we've seen this investment. We've seen massive investments. The biggest in global history
that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction Act has created jobs all across the country.
2000 in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making
it here. 200,000 jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in
North America sets in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real. They've seen
500 year droughts, 500 year floods back to back.
But what they're doing is adapting
and this has allowed them to tell me,
look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean and I harvest wind.
We are producing more natural gas
and more oil at any time that we ever have.
We're also producing more clean energy.
So the solution for us is to continue to move forward
that climate change is real.
Reducing our impact is absolutely critical,
but this is not a false choice.
You can do that at the same time you're creating
jobs that we're seeing all across the country. That's exactly what this administration has
done. We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.
And that's what absolutely makes sense. And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate
these disasters?
Thank you. Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there. The governor
mentioned that Donald Trump has called climate change a hoax. Do you agree?
Well, look, what the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular
Kamala Harris and her leadership,
if they really believe that climate change is serious,
what they would be doing is more manufacturing
and more energy production in the United States of America,
and that's not what they're doing.
So clearly Kamala Harris herself
doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.
If she did, she would actually agree
with Donald Trump's energy policies.
Now, something Governor Walsh said,
I think it's important to touch upon
because when we talk about clean energy,
I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats
will use here, and I'm talking, of course,
about the Democratic leadership
And the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars
of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're
going to make the economy dirtier.
We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.
Some of them are 10, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially
the components that go into this.
So if you really be like, yo, your people don't want the Green New Deal, suck my
name, more energy production.
We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think one in the past 40 years.
natural gas. We got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the opposite.
That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing this by the time.
Governor, would you like to respond? Well, look, we're producing more natural gas
than we ever have. There's no moratorium on that. We're producing more oil. But
the folks know, and it might, like I said, again, these are not liberal
folks. These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks. These are farmers
that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year. They
understand that it makes sense. Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion
from these massive storms. We saw it in Minnesota this summer. And thinking about how do we
respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this. And what Kamala Harris has been able
to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things. The infrastructure
law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How do we
make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines? How do we make sure
that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of? But
to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say give me money
for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.
We can be smarter about that and in all above energy policies exactly what she's doing creating
those jobs right here.
Governor, your time is up.
The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at
an unprecedented rate.
Margaret.
Thank you, Nora.
We're going to turn now to immigration.
The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American
voters.
Senator Vance, your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan
in American history and to use the U.S. military to do so.
Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?
For example, would you deport parents who have entered the U.S. illegally and separate
them from any of their children who were born on U.S. soil.
Good question. So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have
to stop the bleeding. We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started
and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. Ninety-four executive
orders suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the
asylum fraud that exists in our system. That has opened the floodgates. And what
What it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.
I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.
I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance
because Kamala Harris led in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.
So you've got to stop the bleeding.
You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, reimplement
deportations.
And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do?
So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens
who are here in the country.
What do we do with them?
I think the first thing that we do is we start
with the criminal migrants.
About a million of those people have committed some form
of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.
And then we start with deportations on those folks.
And then I think you make it harder
for illegal aliens to undercut the wages
of American workers.
A lot of people will go home if they can't work
for less than minimum wage in our own country.
And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers
You just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.
And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.
Right now in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland
Security has effectively lost.
Some of them have been sex trafficked.
Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families.
Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.
The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris' wide
open southern border.
I asked my fellow Americans to remember when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.
No fact, she would be saying, you know what, I screwed up to Donald Trump's border policies.
I wish that she would do that. It would be good for all of us.
Governor, do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the vice president is quote,
letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules among other things?
Yeah, well, the drug mules not true.
But I will say about this, about the fentanyl,
because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis.
And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months
saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths
in our nation's country.
I'm trying to kill me.
30% decrease in Ohio.
80% Americans.
But let's go back to this.
80% 90% fentanyl.
Kamala Harris.
80% 90% of drug apprehensions are America's citizens.
The border state in California.
She's the only person in this race.
For!
Who prosecuted transnational gangs
for hitting and trafficking and drug interventions.
But look, we all want to solve this.
Most of us want to solve this.
and that is the united states congress that's the border patrol agents that's
the chamber of commerce that's most americans out here that's why we had they're
gonna lose bro and the toughest
bill
on they're going to lose that this nation's i think they might lose crafted
by conservative senator from oklahoma james langford i know him you super
conservative not very constant question luckily the vp debate democrats and
republicans worked on this piece of legislation
the border patrol said this is what we need in here these are the experts
And the Chamber of Commerce in the Wall Street Journal said,
pass this thing.
Kamala Harris helped get there.
1,500 new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money
to speed up the adjudications on this,
just what America wants.
But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually
tackle this, Donald Trump said no,
told them to vote against it because it
gives him a campaign issue.
It gives him to, what would Donald Trump talk about if we
actually did some of these things?
And they need to be done by the legislature.
You can't just do this through the executive branch.
So look, we have the options to do this.
Donald Trump had four years.
He had four years to do this.
And he promised you, America, how easy it would be.
I'll build you a big, beautiful wall
and Mexico will pay for it.
Less than 2% of that wall got built
and Mexico didn't pay a dime.
But here we are again, nine years
after we came down that escalator, dehumanizing people.
We're gonna build the wall.
I'm telling him what he was going to do.
As far as the deportation plan,
at one point, Senator Van said it was so unworkable
to be laughable.
So that's where we're at.
Pass the bill, she'll sign it.
Governor, your time is up.
He just said, we're building the line.
We're the boarders.
We're the real boarders.
We hate fake like these fucking pussy ass
lipdards on the Republican party.
We already have massive child separations
thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
And I didn't accuse Kamala Harris
of inviting drug mules.
I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels
to operate freely in this country.
and we know that they use children as drug mules
and it is a disgrace and it has to stop.
But getting the 10 cents just doesn't pass the smell test.
For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging
that she was gonna undo Donald Trump's border policy.
She did exactly that.
We had a record number of illegal crossings.
We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
And now, now that she's running for president
or a few months before,
she says that somehow she got religion
and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
The only thing that she did when she became the vice president,
when she became the appointed boarder czar,
was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions
that opened the border.
This problem is leading to massive problems
in the United States of America.
Parents who can't afford health care,
schools that are overwhelmed,
it's got to stop and it will
when Donald Trump is president again.
Senator, your time is up.
Governor, what about our CBS News polling,
which does show that a majority of Americans,
more than 50% support mass deportations.
I hate this, I hate this debate, it sucks so bad.
It's necessary, but the issue on this is,
this is what happens when you don't wanna solve it.
You demonize it.
And we saw this, and Senator Vance,
and it surprises me on this,
talking about and saying I will create stories
to bring attention to this.
That vilified a large number of people
who were here legally in the community of Springfield.
Why does it matter?
You wanna build a wall?
governor said, it's not true, don't do it.
There's consequences for this.
There's consequences.
We could come together.
Senator Langford did it.
We could come together and solve this
if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue.
And the consequences in Springfield were
the governor had to send state law enforcement
to escort kindergartners to school.
I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this,
but by standing with Donald Trump
and not working together to find a solution,
it becomes a talking point.
And when it becomes a talking point like this,
we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.
Governor, your time is up, Senator.
I'll give you one minute,
but let me just ask you the question first.
The governor has made the point,
and I think as a sitting lawmaker,
you know that Congress controls the purse strings
and any funding.
So you have said repeatedly
that Donald Trump would, through executive action,
solve this.
Do you disagree that Congress controls the purse strings
and would need to support many of the changes
that you would actually want to implement?
You have one minute.
Look, Margaret, first of all,
the gross majority of what we need to do
at the Southern border is just empowering law enforcement
to do their job.
I've been to the Southern border
more than our borders are.
Kamala Harris has been.
And it's actually heartbreaking
because the Border Patrol agents,
they just wanna be empowered to do their job.
Of course, additional resources would help,
but most of this is about the president
and the vice president.
They need a license to kill.
law enforcement to say if you come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico,
you've got to go back through proper channels. Now, Governor Walts brought up the community
of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. Look,
in Springfield, Ohio and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that
are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you have got housing that is
totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete
the people that I'm most worried
about in Springfield, Ohio, are
the American citizens who have
had their lives destroyed by
Kamala Harris's open border. It
is a disgrace to him, and I
actually think I agree with you.
I think you want to solve this
problem, but I don't think that
Kamala Harris does. Senator
Your time is up. Governor, you
have one minute to respond.
Yeah, well, it is law
enforcement that asked for
the bill. They helped craft
it. They're the ones that
supported it. It was that's
because they know we need to
do this. Look, this is a
do this. Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of
blaming migrants for everything. On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street
speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable, but it becomes a blame.
Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. I agree. It should not
take seven years for an asylum claim to be done. This bill gets it done in 90
days. Then you start to make a difference in this and you start to adhere to what
We know American principles. I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25 40 talks about to the least amongst us
You do one to me. I think that's true of most Americans. They simply want order to it. This bill does it
It's funded. It's supported by the people who do it and it lets us keep our dignity
Thank God, dude. This bill is approved by Christian God
Just to clarify for our viewers Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status
to say what's going on. So
there's an application called
the CBP one app where you can
go on as an illegal migrant,
apply for asylum or apply for
parole and be granted legal
status at the wave of a
Kamala Harris Open Border one.
We're going to turn it into a
legal process. The rules were
that you guys are going to
fact check and since you're
fact checking me, I think it's
important to say what's
actually going on. So there's
an application called the CBP
that is not a person coming in applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.
That is the facilitation of a legal immigration Margaret by our own leadership.
Thank you Senator for describing the legal process.
We have so much to get to Senator.
Those laws have been in the book since 1990.
Thank you gentlemen.
The CBU app has not been on the books.
Mute him.
Oh they did.
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.
have so much we want to get to.
Thank you for explaining the legal process.
Nora.
Thank you, Margaret.
The economy is a top concern for voters.
Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan.
So let's talk about the specifics.
Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan
that includes billions in tax credits
for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.
The Wharton School says your proposals
will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.
How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit? Governor, I'll give you two minutes.
Yeah, thank you. And Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where
we come from. We both grew up in that we understand. So those of you out there listening
tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good. It's healthy. That's
what this is supposed to happen. You should be listening. How's this going to impact me?
The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this
housing issue. The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this
plan with downpayment assistance on the front end to get you a house. A house is much more
than just an asset to be traded somewhere. It's foundational to where you're at. And then making
sure that the things you buy every day, whether they get prescription drugs or other things,
that there's fairness in that. Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it costs $5 to
make insulin. They were charging $800 before this law went into effect. As far as the housing
goes, I've seen it in Minnesota, 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on
rent 4%. It's working. And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. $6,000 child
tax credit, we have one in Minnesota reduces childhood poverty by a third. We save money
in the long run and we do the right thing for families and then getting businesses off
the ground. The laws it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business,
increasing that to $50,000. Now this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald,
Trump made a promise and I'll give you this. He kept it. He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said
you're rich as hell and give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went
to the top class. What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt,
the largest ever. Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we
bring in. Everyone agrees, including businesses, that would be destabilizing it. It would
increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look, this is simple for
you. Where are we going?
Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. We'll just ask the wealthiest
to pay their fair share. When you do that, our system works best. More people are participating
in it and folks have the things that they need.
I want to give you a little bit of a response on that.
When he's talking about some dumbass right wing border bill versus this shit, he comes
alive.
He says it would increase the nation's deficit by 5.8 trillion. My question is
the same for you. How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, first of all,
you're going to hear a lot
from Tim Walsh this evening,
and you just heard it in the answer.
A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do,
and some of it, I'll be honest with you,
it even sounds pretty good.
Here's what you won't hear
is that Kamala Harris has already done it
because she's been the vice president
for three and a half years.
She had the opportunity
to enact all of these great policies
and what she's actually done instead
is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
Drive the cost of housing higher
by about 60%. Open the American Southern border and make middle class life
unaffordable for a large number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such
great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do
them now. Not one asking for promotion, but in the job the American people
gave her three and a half years ago. And the fact that she isn't tells
you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. Now, Donald
Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. A
A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans,
and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense,
and they don't have wisdom.
Because Donald Trump's economic policies
to deliver the highest take-home pay
in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation,
and to boot peace and security all over the world.
So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan
doesn't make sense, I say look at the record.
He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.
Now, Tim admirably admits that they
want to undo the Trump tax cuts. But if you look at what was so
different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous
Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources
went to giving more take home pay to middle class and working
class Americans. It was passed in 2017. That's a lot on
American economic boom, unlike a lie in this country. That is
a record that I'm going to the QR code to find out to that
common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the
American dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling. I know a lot of you are
worried about paying the bills. It's gonna stop when Donald Trump brings back
common sense to this country. Governor, do you want to respond to that? What has
common hair has done for the middle? Yeah, well, common hair says day one was
Donald Trump's failure on covid that led to the collapse for our economy.
We were already before covid in a in a manufacturing recession, but 10
million people out of work. Largest percentage since the Great
Depression, 9 million jobs closed on that. That was day one, whether it
is the infrastructure act or other things we move.
Now you made a question about experts said this.
I've made a note of this.
Economists don't know you can't be trusted.
Science can't be trusted.
National security folks can't be trusted.
Look, if you're going to be president,
you don't have all the answers.
Donald Trump believes he does.
My pro tip of the day is this.
If you need heart surgery,
listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic
in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.
And the same thing goes with this.
And I asked you out there,
teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever.
How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year?
And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax
10 to last 15 years.
And the last year is president.
That's what's wrong with the system.
There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.
We're just asking for fairness in it,
and that's all you want.
You have an answer.
Governor, you say trust the experts.
But those same experts for 40 years
said that if we shipped our manufacturing base
off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.
They lied about that.
They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere,
it would make the middle class stronger.
They were wrong about that.
They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less self-productive
in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about
it.
And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage
to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
We're bringing American manufacturing back.
We're going to make more of our own stuff and this isn't just an economic issue, I've
got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four and two, and I love them very much, and
I hope they're in bed right now.
But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children
are manufactured by nations that hate us.
This has to stop, and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts, we're
going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump
governed on.
Senator, you're talking about Governor Walz, can you address that?
I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy more, why?
If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers
were.
Look, I'm a union guy on this.
I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that, look, we produce
soybeans and corn.
We need to have fair trading partners.
That's something that we believe in.
I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy
who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
So the rhetoric is good.
Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.
I watched it happen too.
I watched it to my communities and we talked about that.
But we had people undercutting the right to collectively bargain.
We had right to work states made it more difficult.
We had companies that were willing to ship it over and we saw people profit.
Folks that folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies
that were overseas.
Like his daddy agreement that we've been those home like his daddy Trump is talking
about it.
for Peter Thiel attack him.
You fucking pussy.
He just came out of the IRA.
May I respond to that?
Yes.
Attack him.
Appreciate that.
So if you notice what Governor Walts just did is he said,
first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up,
he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job
as this show that he did.
So what Tim Walts is doing, and I honestly, Tim,
I think you got a tough job here
because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver
pay, which of course he did, you've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower
inflation, which of course he did. And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's
atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable for
American citizens. I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt
so that she could put food on the table in our household. I know what it's like
to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. We can do so much
better to all of you watching. We can get back to an America that's affordable again. We just got
to get back to common sense economic principles. I hope we have a conversation on health care then.
Senator Governor please. Thank you Margaret. We have a lot to get to ahead gentlemen on many
topics but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications. The vice president is often the
last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions. We want to ask you
about your leadership qualities. Governor Walz, you said you were in Hong Kong during
the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989. The Minnesota Public Radio
and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Yeah, well, and to the folks out there, I didn't get at the top of this. Look, I
I grew up in small rural Nebraska, a town of 400,
town that you rode your bike with your buddies
till the street lights come on
and I'm proud of that service.
I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms
and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher,
passionate about it, a young teacher.
My first year out, I got the opportunity
in the summer of 89 to travel to China.
35 years ago, be able to do that.
I came back home and then started a program
to take young people there.
We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers,
and we would go back and forth to China.
The issue for that was to try and learn.
Now look, my community knows who I am.
They saw where I was at.
They, look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.
I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead
at times, but it's always been about that.
Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.
And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that
we got done, working on veterans benefits.
And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice.
So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for
the people, to make sure that I get this right.
I will say more than anything.
Many times I will talk a lot.
I will get caught up in the rhetoric.
But being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned
a lot about China.
I hear the critiques of this.
I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID.
And I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.
So this is about trying to understand the world.
It's about trying to do the best you can for your community.
And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it
is.
My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being
a good soldier always being a good member of Congress. Those are the things that I think
are the values that people care about. Governor just to follow up on that the question was
can you explain the discrepancy? All I said on this was is I got there that summer and
misspoke on this. So I will just that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong in
China during the democracy protests went in and from that I learned a lot of what
needed to be in in governance.
Thank you, Governor.
In 2016, you called your running mate, Donald Trump, unfit
so bad highest office, and you said he could be America's
Hitler. I know you've said you've been asked many times and
you've said you regret those comments and explained you
then voted for Donald Trump in 2020. But the Washington Post
reported new messages last week in which you also
disparage Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote,
Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
Here now is running, mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with
his.
If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald
Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?
You have two minutes.
Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.
And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president,
but I've also been extremely open about the fact
that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
I was wrong, first of all, because I
believed some of the media stories that turned out
to be Dennis Sonner's fabrications of his record.
But most importantly, Donald Trump
delivered for the American people rising wages,
rising take-home pay, an economy that
worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border,
a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think
he'd be able to deliver on.
And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak,
When you get something wrong and you change your mind,
you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
It's one of the reasons, Margaret,
why I've done so many interviews is
because I think it's important to actually explain
to the American people where I come down
on the issues and what changed.
Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.
Margaret, I've been extremely consistent.
But I think there were a lot of things
that we could have done better in the Trump administration
the first round if Congress was doing its job.
I strongly believe, and I've
been a United States senator, that Congress is not
just a high class debating society.
It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen
to whine about problems, it's a forum to govern.
So there were a lot of things on the border,
on tariffs, for example, where I think
that we could have done so much more
if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress
had been a little bit better
about how they govern the country.
They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump
they couldn't actually govern.
And I want to talk about this tariff issue
in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused this
of being a national sales tax.
Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised
to hear me praising Joe Biden,
but the one thing that Joe Biden did
is he continued some of the Trump tariffs
that protected American manufacturing jobs.
And it's the one issue,
the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration,
it's the one issue where Kamala Harris
has run away from Joe Biden's record.
Think about this, if you're trying to employ
slave laborers in China at $3 a day,
you're going to do that
and undercut the wages of American workers
unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage
Senator your time is up Nora. Thank you now to the issue of reproductive rights
Governor all after Roe versus Wade was overturned you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least
restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion
former president Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion quote in
the ninth month is absolutely fine yes or no is that what you support I'll give
you two minutes it's not what the bill says but look this this issue is what's
on everyone's mind Donald Trump put this all into motion he brags about how
great it was that he put the judges in an overturned row versus wait 52 years of
personal autonomy. And then he tells us, oh, send it to the states. It's a beautiful thing.
Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing. A young bride in Texas
waiting for their child at 18 weeks. She has a complication, a tear in the membrane. She needs
to go in. The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor. And that would
have been an abortion. But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy. She went
home got sepsis nearly dies and now she may have difficulty having children or in Kentucky. Hadley Duvall, a 12 year old child, raped and impregnated by her stepfather. Those are horrific. Now when God asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right.
There is no right in this. So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade. We made sure that we put women in charge of their health care. But look, this is not
If you don't know Amanda or Hadley, you soon will, their project 2025 is going to have
a registry of pregnancies.
It's going to get more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access if
not eliminate access to infertility treatments.
For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are
why I have a child.
That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.
And the catch-all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might
not be right for Washington.
That's not how this works.
This is basic human rights.
We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries
in the world.
This is about health care.
In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason.
We trust women.
We trust doctors.
Senator, do you want to respond to the Governor's question?
Great answer.
a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?
No, no, certainly we won't.
And I want to talk about this issue
because I know a lot of Americans care about it.
And I know a lot of Americans don't agree
with everything that I've ever said on this topic.
And I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood
where I knew a lot of young women
who had unplanned pregnancies
and decided to terminate those pregnancies
because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
And one of them is actually very dear to me.
And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.
And she told me something a couple of years ago
that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion
that it would have destroyed her life
because she was in an abusive relationship.
And I think that what I take from that,
as a Republican who proudly wants to protect
innocent life in this country,
who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable,
is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job
at earning the American people's trust back
on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
And I think that's one of the things
Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family in the
fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier
for moms to afford to have babies. I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a
home so they can afford a place to raise that family. And I think there's so much that we
can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. Now, of course,
Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically that we have a big
country and it's diverse and California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia
has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this as messy as democracy
sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make their
abortion policy. And I think that's what makes the most sense. Point for waltz on this, but
only because you get on the issue and he's right on the messy and divided
country. Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about
restrictions? Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the
accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell you about
this idea that there's diverse states. There's a young woman named Amber
Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. Because of that,
she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her
care. Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. The fact of the matter is how can
we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your
environment.
Jamie Vance hates abortion because his mom would have gotten one if she knew how he
would be is a banger.
Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota. She would be alive today. That's why the restoration
of Roe versus Wade. When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject
Can you hear me talk about it?
You hear us talking exactly the same.
Donald Trump is trying to figure out
how to get the political right of this.
I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said
about what's happening.
His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator, let me ask you about that.
He mentioned, I think, referring to a national man.
Just fucking say, what about states' rights for slavery, man?
These guys are fucking ridiculous, okay?
After 15 weeks.
End the conversation.
As you said, if someone can't support legislation
like that, quote, you are making
the United States, the most barbaric pro-abortion regime
anywhere in the entire world.
My question is, why have you changed your position?
Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022,
talk about setting some minimum national standard.
For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban
in this country at the federal level.
I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that
or at least I hope not.
Though I know that Democrats have taken
a very radical pro-abortion stance,
but Nora, you know, one of the things that changed
is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum in 2023,
and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly,
by the way, against my position.
And I think that what I learned from that, Nora,
is that we've got to do a better job
at winning back people's trust.
So many young women would love to have families.
So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy
as something that's going to destroy their livelihood,
destroy their education, destroy their relationships,
and we have got to earn people's trust back.
And that's why Donald Trump and I
committed to pursuing pro family policies, making childcare more accessible, making fertility
treatments more accessible because we've got to do a better job at that. And that's
what real leadership is. Governor, your response. I'm going to respond on the on the pro abortion
piece of that. No, we're not. We're pro women were pro freedom to make your own choice.
We know what the implications are to not be that women having miscarriages, women
not getting the care physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing
that care and as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options,
Minnesota is a state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. We understand that too. We know
that the options need to be available and we make that true. We also make it, we're a top three
state for the best place to raise children. But these two things to try and say that we're
pro children but we don't like this or you guys are pro abortion, that's not the case at all.
We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going and Kamala Harris is making the case to make options for children more affordable at $6,000 child tax credit.
But we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care.
Senator may respond to that. First of all, Governor, I agree with you. Amber Thurman should still be alive and there are a lot of people who should still be alive.
and I certainly wish that she was.
And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this
and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law
that you signed into law,
the statute that you signed into law,
it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion
where the baby survives,
the doctor is under no obligation
to provide life saving care
to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion.
That is, I think, whether you're pro choice
or pro abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.
And that's why I use that word nor is because some of what we've seen do you want to force
Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will because Kamala Harris has supported
suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.
We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience
and make the country more probabious.
We can't be we can't be diverse though.
No Haitians allowed look this is one where there's always something that this is
a very simple proposition.
These are women's decisions to make
about their health care decisions
and the physicians who know best when they need to do this.
Trying to distort the way a law is written
to try and make a point, that's not it at all.
What was I wrong about, Governor?
Please tell me, what was I wrong about?
That is not the way the law is written.
Look, I've given how.
I've given this advice on a lot of things
that getting involved, getting against,
that's been misread and it was fact checked
at the last debate.
But the point on this is,
is there's a continuation of these guys
to try and tell women or to get involved.
I use this line on this, just mind your own business on this.
Things work best when Roe versus Wade was in place.
When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best.
That doesn't preclude us from increasing funding for children.
It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born,
like in Minnesota, they get meals.
They get early childhood education.
They get health care.
So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things,
when you're not proposing them in your budget,
Kamala Harris is proposing them.
She's proposing all those things
to make life easier for families.
I asked a specific question, Governor,
you gave me a slogan as a response.
It's not the case.
It's not true.
That's not what the law says.
So, in fact, checked it with President Trump.
Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.
We have to move on.
And we're gonna be right back
with much more of the CBS News
vice presidential debate in just a moment.
I'm done.
It's so bad.
Is Walt winning or advance?
Dude, first of all,
they got this fucking absolute hyena
over here. This fucking dipshit loser to look good. Okay. They did for a couple of different
reasons. One, because the format itself actually makes it so that if you are a sincere person,
you're going to look like a fucking clowness. Okay, you're going to look like a loser. The
format itself, the debate setting in general, especially if you're confident enough in
your lies, definitely favors the person who is just like a relentless, shameless fucking
liar. Okay. Straight up. That's just the truth. What do I mean by this? Tim Walts is like Tian
Men square moment or whatever the fuck or what he said about his like record, going to war.
Like these are, these are genuinely, genuinely tiny miniscule flubs in comparison to being
like, I don't give a fuck. I made up the lie that Haitians are eating fucking cats
and dogs because the media doesn't cover it. Okay. Like that's not even in the same ecosystem.
It is not in the same fucking planet. It's not even in the same goddamn. It's not. It's
not in the same universe. Okay. So the idea that these two things are then immediately
like placed upon one another as though it's the same level of like lies is ridiculous.
But also, on top of that, on top of that, aside from the fucking format, Tim Walts, like
I said, is shackled in this structure because he has to fucking defend idiotic propositions.
You notice the difference in communication when he's talking about lowering the cost
of pharmaceutical prices, lowering the cost of housing.
He pops off when he talks about defending reproductive rights for women.
He pops off. Okay. Because his heart is in that. When he's talking about fucking allowing
Israel to do a first strike on Iran. Are you fucking kidding me? That was the first question.
Like what a fucking morally bankrupt nation we are that the first conversation, uh, when,
when, you know, we have a goddamn apartheid state doing a genocide, opening up a new
front okay potentially and escalating regional conflict into all all out nuclear war potentially
and that's the first question will you give Israel the first strike capabilities to fucking
nuke Tehran like what are we talking about the fuck is this morally bankrupt ass bullshit
dude we thought we deserve all the bad things I swear to God and on that front he sucked
dick he sucked he sucked he was awful at that fucking answer he's like I think Israel
has a right to defend itself October 7th just carbon copy Kamala Harris is talking points
like a goddamn NPC. Same thing with the border proposal. Same thing with the border wall Tim
walls have been like the border walls dumb as fuck when he was you know a governor right
under the Trump administration. Now he's over here being like we're the ones who are going
to actually push the fucking border wall like what are you talking about dude do you
You fucking hear yourself. What the hell is going on now? Overall, overall, I think that
the format and the statement itself, like the statements coming from JD Vance are pretty
solid cause he thrives in this environment. He's been doing a lot of contentious adversarial
interviews over and over again. He has a lot of experience. Okay. He has a lot,
he has a lot of experience on this front and he's looking better and not only is
he's looking better despite his gross, uh, and, and nervous energy. Okay. Despite his
gross and nervous sweaty perverted energy that he brings to the goddamn table, um, the
debate format favors him, but also he even looks better than Trump. Okay. That's a very
significant part of this. Cause like if we're having adult conversations because JD van
supposed to be the adult, okay, the liberal media train dipshit, okay, against Tim Walts.
Like Tim Walts looks like a silly little yokel who's constantly on the back foot, and JD
Vance looks like a bloodless monster who's able to communicate his desires better than
Trump.
Come back to the CBS News vice presidential debate.
We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.
The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms.
Senator Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence.
You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including
AR-15s.
So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school
shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
Also at the top of the hour, there's a three minute outbreak. I forgot to run it. I'm sorry. I was doing commentary.
Don't subscribe for $6 or for free with a Twitch Prime to avoid those ads. Here it is.
I certainly trust the local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.
I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes and in some cases the answer is going to be no.
Can you give this up as well if you're lucky?
Of course, for example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.
look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids
and our oldest is now in second grade. And like a lot of parents, we send our
kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little
faces on the first day of school. And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of
kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by
this terrible stuff. And we do have to do better. Terrible governor
waltz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this
Stop agreeing!
How do we actually do it?
Stop agreeing with one another.
I fucking hate you.
Your son is going to really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
No more agreeing!
That's the majority.
Close to 90 percent.
Fuck you!
And some of this is just because I've seen of the gun violence in this country is committed
with illegally obtained firearms.
And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border,
we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.
that number than the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was
three and a half years ago. But what do we do about the schools? What do we do to protect
our kids? And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer because I
don't want my kids to go to school and in a school that feels unsafe or where there
are visible signs of security, but unfortunately think that we have to increase security
in our schools. We have to make the doors lock better. We have to make the door
We've got to make the windows stronger and of course we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys.
It just doesn't fit with recent experience. So we've got to make our schools safer. And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.
Governor, you have two minutes.
Well, I think all the parents watching tonight. This is just your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a I got a 17 year old and.
and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.
Those things don't leave you.
As a member of Congress,
I sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents,
and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall.
Their seven-year-old were dead,
and they were asking us to do something.
Look, I'm a hunter.
I own firearms, the vice president is.
We understand that the second amendment is there,
but our first responsibility is to our kids to figure this out.
In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws,
enhanced background checks.
And we can start to get data, but here's the problem.
If we really wanna solve this,
we've got folks that won't allow research
to be even done on gun violence.
And this idea that we should just live with it,
and here's what I do think,
that this is a good start to the conversation.
I 100% believe that Senator Vance
hates it when these kids, it's a bore,
and it breaks your heart.
I agree with that, but that's not far enough
when we know they're things that work.
I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools.
They don't have this happen,
even though they have a high gun ownership rate
in the country.
There are reasonable things that we can do
to make a difference.
It's not infringing on your second amendment.
And the idea to have some of these weapons out there,
it just doesn't make any sense.
Kamala Harris as an attorney general worked on this issue.
She knows that it's there.
No one's trying to scare monger
and say we're taking your guns,
but I ask all of you out there,
do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?
Is that what we have to go?
When we know there's countries around the world
that their children aren't practicing these types of drills.
They're being kids.
We owe it to them to get a fix.
These are things that shouldn't be that difficult.
You can still keep your firearms
and we can make a difference.
We have to.
If you're listening tonight,
This breaks your heart.
Senator.
Tim, first of all, I didn't know
that your 17 year old witness is shooting.
I'm sorry about that.
And I appreciate what you say.
Christ have mercy.
It is awful.
And I appreciate what Tim said.
If you found out, though he lied about this,
I'm gonna lose my mind.
Frankly, weird differences between our own countries,
gun violence problem and Finland is,
okay, first of all,
we have way higher rates of mental health abuse
or mental health substance abuse.
We have way higher rates of depression,
higher rates of anxiety. We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really
do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why
we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it. Another driver of
the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many
headlines but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities. And this is why
we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away and take gun
gun offenders off the streets. I think there's a whole host of things that we
can do here but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more
security. Senator, thank you governor. You previously opposed an assault weapons
ban but it's only later in your political career. Did you change your
position? Why? Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.
I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I
was in an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant on
after football practice. That's not where we live today. And several things I want to
mention on this is talking about cities and where it's at, the number one where the most
firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides. And we have an epidemic of children
getting guns and shooting themselves. And so we have and we should look at all of
the issues. Making sure folks have healthcare and all that, but I want to be very careful.
idea of stigmatizing mental health just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean
you're violent. And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat.
Sometimes it just is the guns. It's just the guns. And there are things that you can do
about it. But I do think that this is one and I think it's a healthy conversation.
I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this.
I know he meant school shooting victims there. I know that second amendment protect
our children. That's our priority. Gentlemen, thank you, Margaret. Thank you, Nora.
Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent.
There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes
to the high housing prices.
Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first
time home buyers and a $10,000 tax credit.
They also promise to build 3 million new homes.
you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive
up prices higher? No it's not handing out we have first let me say this this
issue of housing and I think those of you listening on this the problem we've
had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity
it can be bought up it can be shifted it can be moved around those are not
folks living in those houses those are you listening tonight that house a
big deal I bought and owned one house in my life my mom still lives in
the house where I was. And when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services
after midnight mass where you go with your family. We need to make it more affordable.
And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward
and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from
that lead. We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment
that we'd ever made in housing. It starts to make it easier. We cut some of the
red tape, local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make
it easier to build those homes. And then that down payment assistance. I can tell all of
you out there, one of the, certainly for me, using the GI bill was one thing, but a veteran's
home loan, the big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the
down payment. Those are things that make it, now look, you're going to pay it
back and you're going to pay your mortgage. Those are things that we know in the
long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it. And
I will give Minneapolis an example.
Minneapolis is the one city
where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.
We've seen a 12% increase in stock
because we put some of these things in
and we're implementing a state program
to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance.
We get it back from people because here's what we know.
People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.
People with stable housing have their kids
able to be able to get to school.
All of those things in the long run
end up saving our money.
And that's the thing that I think
We should be able to find some common ground in,
but we can't blame immigrants for the only reason.
That's not the case that's happening in many cities.
The fact of the matter is,
is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing,
but we can make sure that the government's there
to help kickstart it, create that base.
Governor, your time is up.
Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position,
the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes,
remove regulation, provide tax breaks,
and cut back on immigration,
which you say pushes up prices.
Where are you gonna build all the new homes you're promising
and what part of any of this plan will be?
I like that our housing policy
for the Republican party is just Hitler.
Like just straight aid off Hitler.
So Tim just said something that I agree with.
We don't wanna blame immigrants
for higher housing prices,
but we do wanna blame Kamala Harris
for letting in millions of illegal aliens
into this country, which does drive up cost him.
25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of
this most significant drivers of home prices in the country. It's why we have
massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive
increases in illegal alien alien populations under Kamala Harris's
leadership. Now, Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas. Now, some of those
ideas actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree
with. But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running
as a newcomer to politics, she is the sitting vice president.
If she wants to enact all of these policies
to make housing more affordable,
I invite her to use the office
that the American people already gave her,
not sit around and campaign and do nothing
while Americans find the American dream
of home ownership completely unaffordable.
Now you asked Margaret,
what would immediately change the equation
for American citizens if you lower energy prices?
As Donald Trump says, drill baby drill,
one of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it.
If a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site
to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.
If we open up American Energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens,
not by the way just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods too.
Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there. Do you want to answer where?
a governor, we will get to you in a moment, but Senator, where are you going to seize the
federal lands?
Can you clarify?
Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used
for anything.
They're not being used for National Park.
They're not being used.
And they could be places where we build a lot of housing.
And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.
We have a lot of land that could be used.
We have a lot of Americans that need homes.
We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes.
we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be
here. Senator, your time is up. Governor, I do want to let you respond to the
allegation that the vice president is letting in. Of course, it's not true.
And again, you have facts. I guess we agreed not to fact check. I'll check
it that look, crossings are down compared to a Donald Trump left office,
but it's again blaming tackle the issue. It's not the crossing question.
Are we going to drill and build houses in the city? Is not the
I think for people who are federal lands,
these are really important pieces of land.
Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.
I know in the western part of the countries we do.
There's not a lot of federal lands
even around Minneapolis, for example.
So the issue is that I don't understand
the federal lands issue unless we see this,
and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply
about our national parks and our federal lands.
Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.
We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water.
These lands protect, they're there for a reason.
They belong to all of us.
But again, this is when you view housing
and you view these things as commodities.
Like there's a chance to make money here.
Let's take this federal land
and let's sell it to people for that.
I think there's better ways to do this.
We've seen it in Minnesota.
We're able to refurbish some of these houses.
We're able to make some investments.
That gets people in.
And I'm still on the fact on this, economists.
Senator Bench, you said you don't like the economists.
Which economists are saying that it is immigrants
that's adding to the cost?
Governor, your time is up, but Senator,
on that point, like for you to clarify,
there are many contributing factors to high housing costs.
What evidence do you have that migrants
are part of this problem?
Well, there's a Federal Reserve study
that we're happy to share after the debate.
We'll put it up on social media actually
that really drills down on the connection
between increased levels of migration,
especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.
Now, of course, Margaret,
that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.
It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.
Look, we are a country of builders.
We're a country of doers.
We're a country of explorers.
But we increasingly have a federal administration
that makes it harder to develop our resources,
makes it harder to build things,
and wants to throw people in jail
for not doing everything exactly
as Kamala Harris says they have to do.
And what that means is that you have a lot of people
who would love to build homes
who aren't able to build homes.
I actually agree with Tim Walts.
We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity,
but the thing that has most turned housing
into a commodity is giving it away
to millions upon millions of people
who have no legal right to be here.
What are the federal regulations?
I deal with this as a governor.
You can very quickly reply.
I'm sorry, I get this as a governor
and I don't necessarily disagree with that,
that in some cases, many of those are local,
many of them are state.
I don't know which ones are federal,
but I think whenever we talk regulations,
people think they can get rid of them. I think you want to be able to get out of your
house in a fire. I think you want to make sure that it's fire-proof and those types
of things. So which are the regulations? Because the vice president's not responsible
for those. Congress writes those.
Governor, thank you gentlemen. We have a lot to get through. You're passionate about
the housing crisis, I can tell. But Nora.
Thank you. One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care.
At the last presidential debate,
former President Trump was asked about replacing
the Affordable Care Act.
In response, he said,
I have concepts of a plan.
Since then, Senator, you've talked about
changing how chronically ill Americans
get health insurance.
Can you explain how that would work?
And can you guarantee that Americans
with pre-existing conditions
won't pay more?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans
with pre-existing conditions.
In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care.
I believe members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the
first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under
Donald Trump's leadership.
And I think that a lot of people have criticized this concept of a plan remark.
It gets very simple common sense.
I think, as Tim Walls knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose
a 900-page bill standing on a debate stage.
It would bore everybody to tears, and it wouldn't actually mean anything because
part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation. Now when Donald Trump was actually
president, and again he has a record to be proud of, prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first
time in a very long time under Kamala Harris' leadership. Prescription drugs are up about
seven percent. Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about one and a half percent.
He introduced pricing transparency. Think about healthcare. You go into a hospital,
you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs. That price
transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice and will
also drive down costs. And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what
I was talking about. Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment
a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non chronically ill, it's not
just a plan. He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president
of the United States. And I think you can make a really good argument that it
salvaged Obamacare which is doing a disastrous thing until Donald Trump came along.
This is an important point about President Trump. Of course you don't have to agree with
everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done but when Obamacare was crushing
under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs, Donald Trump could
have destroyed the program instead. He worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that
Americans had access to affordable care. It's not perfect of course and there's
so much more than we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in
place some better health care policies. He's earned it because he did it successfully the
first time.
Governor.
All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history. I was there at the
creation of the ACA. And the reason it was so important is I come from a major health
care state, home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all those.
We understand health care, it's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility
and quality of health care.
And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.
Those of you listening, this is critical to you.
Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants to go back and remember this.
He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.
On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.
He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA but lost at the Supreme Court and he would
have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill.
Now fast forward what that means to you is you lose your preexisting conditions.
If you're setting it home and you got asthma too bad.
If you're a woman probably not broke your foot during football might kick you out.
Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.
Kamala Hare negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.
We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.
But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked
me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.
But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept, because what he
explained is pre-Obamacare.
And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.
What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?
So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure because guess
what happens?
You pay your premium.
It's not much.
They're figuring they're not going to have to pay out to you.
But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked
out of it.
That's why the system didn't work.
Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.
Governor, thank you, Senator.
You have not yet explained how you would protect people with preexisting conditions
or laid out that plan.
Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect
people with pre-existing conditions, we want to keep those regulations in place, but we also
want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. Now what Governor
Waltz just said is actually not true. A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was
crushing under its own weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the
exchanges. Donald Trump actually helped address that problem and he did so in a way that
preserved people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions. But again,
Again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump
becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.
But in reality, Donald Trump was president.
Inflation was low.
Take-home pay was higher.
And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would
have collapsed absent his leadership.
He did his job, which is governed in a bipartisan way, and get results, not just complain
about problems but actually solve them.
Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?
It's higher now that we've seen it go up.
Look, people are using it.
The system works.
And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate
piece of this.
And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.
Well, that's the thing that happens.
I think the individual mandate is a good idea.
I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone,
that's the only way insurance works.
When it doesn't, it collapses.
You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out.
Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare.
People expect it to be there.
And when we are able to make it,
and we are making it this way,
when we incentivize people to be in the market,
when we help people who might not be able
to afford it, get there,
and we make sure then, when you get sick and old,
it's there for you.
Because I heard people say,
well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.
Good luck buying health care once you get past 70.
So look, the ACA works, we can continue to do better.
Kamala Harris did that.
The way she made everything better
was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare
for the first time in American history.
Thank you, Margaret.
Can I go aside?
I apologize, we're out of time.
We have a number of subjects to discuss.
Margaret, let's talk about families in America.
There is a childcare crisis in this country
and the United States is one of the very few
developed countries in the world
without a national paid leave program for new parents.
Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win
both the White House and Congress,
this is a day one priority for you.
How long should employers be required to pay workers
while they are home taking care of their newborns?
You have two minutes.
Yeah, well, that's negotiable
and that's what Congress worked,
but here's what the deal is.
Americans sitting out there right now,
you may work for a big company,
look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest fortune 500 companies.
Kamala Harris knows that and call are in California. Those companies provide
paid family medical leave. One is, I think they're moral and they think it's
a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota passed
a paid family medical leave. You have a child you and I had to go back to
work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a
certain amount of time. What we know is that gets the child off to a
better start. The family works better. We stay in their employers. We get more
consistency in that. So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented
Minnesota and we see growth. That's how you become a pro business state. But the
negotiations on it and here's the issue. Those big companies are able to
offer it. Those of you out there who don't have it. Just imagine what
happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. We know what happens. You
end up staying home in some places that means no paycheck because you've
got no protection on that. This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has
said for the wealthiest amongst us. He's willing to give those tax breaks to the
wealthiest. He's willing to say bust those unions up, do whatever. What we're
saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us. And so a paid
family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go
to the businesses and ask them. As far as child care on this, you have to
take it at both the supply and the van side. You can't expect the most important
people in our lives to take either our children or our parents to get paid the
least amount of money. And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to
get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for
that. We were able to do it in Minnesota. And I'm still telling you
this, we were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis on this
federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will
enhance our workforce, enhance our families and make it easier to have
the children that you want. Governor, your time is up. Senator, do you support a national
paid leave program? And if so, for how long should employers be mandated? No, I get the
fuck back to work, home taking care of their new minutes. Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret,
a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats to have worked on this issue. And
I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.
I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman
who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids.
I'm married to a female.
But it's also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.
And I'm so proud of her.
But being a working mom, even for somebody
with all of the advantages of my wife,
is extraordinarily difficult.
And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.
She actually had access to paid family leave
because she worked for a bigger company.
But the cultural pressure on young families
and especially young women, I think
makes it really hard for people
to choose the family model they want.
A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately.
Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.
Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.
We should have a family care model
that makes choice possible.
And I think this is a very important substantive difference
between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach.
I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs
that we have, the support paid family leave right now,
the community development block grant,
and there's another block grant program
that spends a lot of money from the federal government.
These programs only go to one kind of child care.
so bad. Let's say you'd like your church maybe to help you out with child care.
Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together
with families in your neighborhood to provide child care and the way that makes them most
sense. You don't get access to any of these federal monies. We want to promote choice
in how we deliver family care and how we promote child care because look it is unacceptable.
And you know of course Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or
eight weeks and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is
people who feel like they don't have options like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids. That is an incredible burden to put on American families where the only country that does it. I think we could do a heck of a lot better.
Senator, thank you. You have also said Senator Vance many things about the American family. The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing.
By the way, moderators have been carrying this for a while.
President Trump recently said, as much as child cares talked about as being expensive,
it's relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be
taking in.
Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?
Give one minute.
Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here
a little bit is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for
shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their
products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States
of America but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.
that's the heart of the economic proposal.
And I think what President Trump is saying
is that when we bring in this additional revenue
with higher economic growth,
we're gonna be able to provide paid family leave,
childcare options that are viable and workable
for a lot of American families.
Can you clarify how that will
solve the childcare shortage?
Well, because as Tim said,
a lot of the childcare shortages,
we just don't have enough resources
going into the multiple people
who could be providing family care options.
And we're gonna have to, unfortunately, look,
we're gonna have to spend more money.
We're gonna have to induce more people
to wanna provide childcare options for American families,
because the reason it's so expensive right now
is because you've got way too few people providing
this very essential service.
Thank you, Senator.
Governor Walls, your ticket also has
some childcare tax credit proposals.
Do you think Congress will agree
to the $6,000 credit for newborns
and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six
as your campaign has promised.
Is that realistic?
Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody,
I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.
Everybody listening tonight knows,
I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear
it's not that expensive.
And let's be clear, whether it's 5,000 or 6,000,
that plays you about three or four months.
Let's be clear of where we're at on this.
It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.
We thought we were gonna get by by not paying people.
I don't think center events are that,
and I are that far apart.
I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.
We've done scholarships, types of things.
I think we need to be open to making the case.
But the issue here is, the question you ask is,
you're not gonna pay for it with these tariffs.
That's just adding another 4,000 on the family
and taking less.
So not only do they not get the money to pay for that,
they're $4,000 in the hole.
That's Wharton School.
That's his alma mater.
And so I think the issue here is,
if those members of Congress,
I can't believe they're not it.
When I go to businesses,
sure they'll talk about taxes sometime,
but they will lead with childcare
and they will lead with housing.
because we know the problem is especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers
because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce.
Governor, thank you.
We need to move on.
Nora?
Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy
and inflation.
After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting
the results.
Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked
at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020
election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.
Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election
and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.
That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor certifies
the results?
I'll give you two minutes.
Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.
We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies,
make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.
But what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that
we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square,
and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said. Remember,
he said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.
And on January the 20th, what happened? Joe Biden became the president.
Donald Trump left the White House. And now, of course, unfortunately,
we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration.
I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala
He's like they should have they should have let it happen
It is the threat so that Joe Biden could have ruined the country great answer. Sorry. Thank you
Casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics
It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens and it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans
She'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation
I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years in the last
40 years now
I'm really proud especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue collar Democrats
Have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. And Tulsi Gabbard lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition of course
Have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American first amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences
one million people watching the election to make our leader.
Our fellow Americans, Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale.
She did it during a life-long democratic leader.
There were a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy
than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January
the 6th.
Governor?
Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here
and I'm sympathetic to this piece of news and things and I think I might have
fucked up with the senator.
Me too, man.
there's one. There's one though that this one is troubling to me and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.
Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
He was very clear, I mean he lost this election and he said he didn't. 140 police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day,
some with the American flag, several later died and it wasn't just in there.
In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St. Paul and said we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties.
The only person there was my son and his dog who was rushed out crying by state police.
That issue and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting hang Mike Pence.
Mike Pence made the right decision.
So Senator, it was adjudicated over and over and over.
I worked with kids long enough to know and I said as a football coach sometimes you really want to win.
really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election, you shake hands and
then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win. That's what was at stake here.
Now the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that imprisoning your political opponents,
already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this, and a president's words matter.
a president's words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling
our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest
about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American
history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the
peaceful transfer of power. And here we are four years later in the same boat.
I will tell you this that when this is over we need to shake hands this election and the winner needs to be the winner
This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart
Margaret
Senator vance did you want to respond to that? Yeah, well look Tim first of all
it's really rich for
Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy
When he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th as we have done for 250 years in this country
We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election and of course
I hope that we win and I think we're gonna win
But if Tim Walsh is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers
He'll have my best wishes and I'll have my help whenever he wants it
But we have to remember that for years in this country
Democrats protested the results of elections Hillary Clinton in 2016
Said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like
$500,000 worth of Facebook ads this has been going on for a long time and if we
want to say that we need to respect the results of the election I'm on board but
if we want to say as Tim Walsh is saying that this is just a problem that
Republicans have had I don't buy that. Governor January 6 was not Facebook ads
and I think a revisionist history on this look I I don't understand how
we got to this point but the issue was that Trump can you do it and all of it
I don't care I like it I want more January six is it was funny
censorship to stop give it up from doing give it up to kill someone we need more
January six is it was very funny objectively book banning we've seen that
we've seen that brought up I just think for everyone tonight and I'm gonna
thank senator bands I think this is the conversation they want to hear and
And I think there's a lot of agreement. This is one that we are miles apart on.
This was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen.
And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say-
He's just saying what he was saying. He didn't lose the election. I would just have to add-
No, it's not.
He didn't lose the 2020 election.
A bunch of fucking-
I'm focused on the future.
The Republicans trying to climb over the Capitol wall-
Since you're American, she's speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020-
To do what? Take photos and poop? Is that a NACP policy office?
Has she damaged it?
That is a damning non-answer.
Has she- it's a damning non-answer.
Yeah, it was objectively funny about censorship.
Obviously Donald Trump and I think
that there were problems in 2020.
We've talked about it.
I'm happy to talk about it further.
A lot of you are liars.
You guys attacked us.
You are lying to yourselves.
The media that was fucking hilarious.
Right under the United States democracy
is the First Amendment.
You yourself have said there's no First Amendment
right to misinformation.
Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government
and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds.
That is a threat to democracy
that will long outlive this present political moment.
I would like Democrats and Republicans
to both reject censorship.
Let's persuade one another.
Let's argue about ideas,
and then let's come together afterwards.
You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
That's the test, that's the Supreme Court test.
Tim, fire in a crowded theater,
you guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook
for saying that Toddler shouldn't wear a mask.
Senator, the governor does have the floor.
Fire in a crowded theater,
that is criticizing the policies of the government.
Which is the right of every American.
You have the floor! You have the floor, Tim! You fucking plus A!
I don't run Facebook. You are a goddamn veteran for 24 fucking years!
You're refused and now again, this is on the fucking back road!
He lost the election. This is not a debate. It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world.
Minnesotans are literally spiritually Canadian!
I made that decision to certify that election. That's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.
What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump?
Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election
and his vice president is not going to stand to it? That's what we're asking you, America.
Will you stand up? Will you keep your oath of office even if the president doesn't?
And I think Kamala Harris would agree. She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that
because of course that's what we would do. So America, I think you've got a really clear
choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.
Governor, your time is up. Thank you gentlemen. We will be right back with both of our candidates,
the CBS News, Vice Presidential. In the midst of the elephants in the room,
is not there. I mean, I look, look, look, look, this, this debate is mid. Okay. I know when,
you know, when the dust settles, everyone will make up their minds, but it's just such a ass debate.
Luckily for the Democrats who really care about Kamala Harris winning, let's be real.
It's not all that consequential. Tim Walts has his high notes whenever he's talking about
Issues that he actually cares about but god damn dude. This is the same exact fucking thing that I felt when I watched Bernie Sanders on that goddamn stage
I was like dude fucking attack dude
You're debating
Against a literal hit Larry and candidate
Who's just sitting there like a fucking insurance salesman on television?
Telling you that the Viagra is supposed to make your dick explode and it's normal and you can't sue the farmers
Just address any of his indignity, address anything that he is doing.
Kamala Harris straight up, whipped up Donald Trump, saws them, put him in a fucking pan
and fried his ass, okay?
Tim Walls was like, oh my god, oh well I agree with this guy, don't you know?
Oh!
I agree with him.
I agree fucking cook his ass.
He sucks.
He sucks dick.
He's fucking weird.
You coined the weird term.
Say he's fucking weird because he's weird.
God damn, dude.
I want to move to Minnesota.
He's talked more about how sick Minnesota is.
I'm over here looking at fucking house prices
in Minnesota.
I'm like, do I move there?
Seems pretty good to me.
Seems like a great place to live.
Great governor.
the fuck? Oh my God, dude. Oh my God. I'm the aesthetic front. It is like mind boggling
is mind boggling. It's crazy. Okay. I guess the hope is that like Americans will see that
Tim Walters is like a fucking normal guy. Even though I think he destroyed that normal
guy sentiment with the most important part of the debate, which is the first fucking
answered to Israel like he came across Israel on border both of those issues when
everyone was locked in he came across like a fucking you know empty suit and
now he comes across like a real human being but the unfortunate problem is
when he comes across like a human being he's still too fucking docile oh god damn
I do, I do think that this man has been defanged in general. It's just so bad. It literally
feels like they are just like, yeah, we hate our presidential candidates. Like, why don't
we just run together? Okay. Look at what Trump just retweeted. What did he retweet? My
daughter was killed in the Parkland shooting. It's abhorrent that Tim Walsh has been
befriended school shooters disqualifying. Come on dog. Are you insane? What the wait?
Is this the one guy who like, whose parent, whose daughter died in Parkland, but then
was like, literally the one guy whose daughter died in Parkland, but thought that it was
like fake. That's the guy, right? It's the one crazy one. Okay. Yeah, that makes
sense. That dude is so insane dog. He literally thinks he literally thinks the part of
school shooting was like fake or some shit. It was insane. Anyway, fuck that guy, but
also yeah, I don't know, man. It's just, it's just wild. I think it's a, it's a perfect
demonstration. Like Tim Walts was good pre Kamala Harris campaign. Okay. Tim Walts bad
post Kamala Harris campaign. Make up your mind about this. To me, it spells, you
know, the Kamala Harris campaign is kind of cooking this dude, but he's commentary on issues,
the way he communicated the issues that he cared about, the way he spoke to them was
significantly better.
Oh, wait, it's back.
But look, the support of the democracy matters.
It matters that you're here.
And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie
Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift and a whole bunch of folks.
And they don't all agree on everything.
They are truly optimistic people.
They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than
it is.
And I have to tell you that, that better than it is, is the sense of optimism that there
can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone, not just to get by, but to
get ahead.
And the idea that freedom really means something, not the freedom of government
to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about
yourself.
Look, we all know who Donald Trump is.
He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said,
believe him when he told you that.
His first inaugural address talked about American carnage,
and then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.
Senator Vance tonight made it clear
he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.
He will continue to push down that road.
Excuse me.
Kamala Harris gives us a different option.
Now I have to tell you,
I'm gonna be careful about the quotes,
but there's one that Senator Vance said
that does resonate with me.
He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.
A lot of America feels that way.
We don't need to be afraid.
Franklin Roosevelt was right,
all's we have to fear is fear itself.
Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.
She's bringing us a politics of joy.
She's bringing real solutions for the middle class
and she's centering you at the heart of that.
All the while asking everyone, join this movement,
make your voices heard.
Let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.
Governor walls. Thank you. Senator Vance, your closing statement.
Well, I want to thank Governor Waltz. You, you folks at CVS and of course the American people for tuning in this evening. And one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy. And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother when she didn't have enough money.
It's trying to heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night and because money
was often very tight.
And I believe as a person who wants to be your next vice president that we are a rich
and prosperous enough country where every American whether they're rich or poor ought
to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.
That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor you ought to be able to afford a nice
meal for your family.
That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
I believe that whether you're rich or poor,
you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl
and that too has gotten harder with Kamala
because of Kamala Harris's policies.
Now I've been in politics long enough
to do what Kamala Harris does
when she stands before the American people and says
that on day one, she's gonna work
on all these challenges I just listed.
She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
day one was 1400 days ago and her policies
have made these problems worse.
Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country
in the world.
I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food
but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing
and to tell me they're praying for my family.
What that has taught me is that we have the greatest
country, the most beautiful country,
the most incredible people anywhere in the world.
Give her money, bro.
She's dying.
achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington. They're not going
to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last
three and a half years. We need change. We need a new direction. We need a president who has already
done this once before and did it well. Please vote for Donald Trump. And whether you vote
for me or vote for Tim Walls, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and
and I'm rooting for you. God bless you and good night.
Senator Vance, thank you.
Oh, my God.
And thank you both for participating in the only vice
presidential.
This debate won't move the needle,
but it's not a good thing, okay?
Because the needle has to move.
The needle has to move for the Democrats.
It's not moving in a good direction.
You feel me?
And oh, my fucking Lord, oh my God,
what an absolutely awful pathetic fucking waste of time that was holy shit dude oh my god I
cannot be alone in feeling this way please like I know when we watch debates like this
when we when debate time rolls around we got a lot of fucking liberals in here right
like a lot of fucking people that normally don't tune in but just tune in for this type
of shit. Okay. And they're going to get very mad at me when I say stuff like January 6 was
objectively funny. Okay. Like they're going to get mad at me, but beyond that kind of
stuff beyond that kind of shit. Okay. I personally think I personally think this is the Biden
debate, but this motherfucker doesn't have any excuses. I know. I mean, he didn't do
He was poorly as like Donald Trump did, obviously.
I just, I hated it.
I hated it so much.
I hated it from the bottom of my fucking heart.
The Democratic Party is so captured by right-wing sentiment, so desperately trying to move the
needle in the right-wing direction.
It was the worst than you expected.
No, I mean, even before the debate, I told you that Tim Moss was like neutered and
he was going to be bad.
that he was not a very good debater to begin with. Okay. But oh my God, every time they
said, I agree with you, just like a little piece of me died. I hope I'm not alone in this.
But like all of the high level, like all of the most consequential stuff, especially that
was front loaded, because these debates, usually they do that because by the time
like the end of the debate rolls around, nobody's fucking paying attention. Okay.
What do you mean? January six was so terrifying for democracy was one of the worst things
having a recent history. Yeah, dude, they were going to be able to fucking stop the process
so that, you know, 330 million Americans would hallucinate an alternative reality where they
didn't go out and vote and then Joe Biden didn't win. No, that was the least consequential
aspect of like Trump's election engineering. Okay. The more consequential stuff was the
legal shit that he was trying to do behind the scenes where there is an active prosecution
against that sort of thing, despite the fact that it's been held up in the courts. Okay,
January 6 is objectively funny. And one of the dumbest aspects of this entire process,
like magically, we're just going to forget if, if the, the, the ballot, if, if Mike Pence
followed through on what Donald Trump wanted to do and just refuse to fucking authorize the
ballots, all of a sudden we're just going to forget that an election took place. Like get
get the fuck out of here. That's not going to happen. Ridiculous. Okay. They didn't even
know what their goals were. They were just a bunch of fucking small business owners that
were running around and ultimately just like took selfies inside of fucking rooms and shit
and got maced. Okay. Yeah. I will never, he will never convince me that a bunch of
fucking fat business owners trying to climb the walls of the goddamn Congress was not
of hilarious moment. Okay. Anyway, the, I have to fact check you. January's is terrifying.
Okay. Anyway, but regardless, regardless, it's just the amount of fucking right wing posturing,
the amount of right wing posturing coming from the Democratic party, especially from
guy like to waltz is really sad to see down the stretch. Vance and waltz competed to see
who could trumpet the shittiest endorsement. Vance first met with Tulsi Gabbard and our
K junior, but waltz came out swinging by reminding everyone Dick Cheney, endorse Kamala
all in all completed, completely wasted block of time. I regret watching. Yeah. It is,
it is very, very bad. It is very, very, very bad. I mean, it's still bad that the
Americans attempted to push dude. Come on. We are not organized nearly enough
to be able to do that. Okay. Anyway, ultimately, ultimately, I'm, I, I'm going to keep it a
book 50. Okay. If the Democrats were just going to cave and capitulate to right wing framing,
they should have just gone with Josh Shapiro. That's what I said. Okay. If Dan's are going
to be this pro Israel and new to whatever progressive momentum they would have gone
with the wall's pick, they should have just went with Josh Shapiro. Sure. Uh, you know,
all of his controversies aside, he would have been a better debater. He would have been even
a better communicator of Kamala Harris's policies for sure. Like I don't think Tim Walz as hard
as in it to be like, I love the border wall. I can't wait to build it. I can't wait to
fucking like he's not, he's not there. He's not nearly enough of an empty fucking suit.
At least like Josh Shapiro is, you know what I mean? He would have done the Obama
speech pattern while being like, yeah, if you like your undocumented migrant, you can't
keep it. I'm Josh Shapiro. That type of shit. He would have fucking cooked. He's straight
up with a cook. Pennsylvania would have been locked down. Okay. Straight up. Very different
election, very different election for the democratic party. You didn't build that
and pussy too. Anyway, um, it's so bizarre. They want to push walls in every man. So bad.
It's so unnecessary to win the election and actively in the as well voters. No waltz being
in every man is good. Okay. waltz could be a generational talent. The problem is you just
got to let him loose and the pro and he's not going to be good as a, as a every man
Who's like think about how well he spoke on the issue of lowering pharmaceutical prices lowering housing prices
Think about how well he spoke spoke about protecting a women's right to choose
Like those are areas that he's good on or fucking paid family leave and how it actually helps small businesses
Like that's an adequate way to help small business much better than anything else like he popped off
problem is he's also tacked on to like a bunch of a whole bunch of like stupid ass neoliberal
ass policies. And that's very hard to effectively communicate, especially if your heart is not
in it. Okay. He was great on unions. Like there were a lot of high notes for waltz promise
there were a lot of low notes for waltz too. And the low notes were way more consequential.
Okay. Also, I do have to say I'm not one of these like Radlis, but God damn. Okay. JD
Vance, JD Vance. Oh JD. Let me tell you something. Okay. This motherfucker, he really likes Tim
Waltz, but it's Kamala Harris. Okay. I don't know what's going on there. I mean, his
wife is an Indian woman, but maybe there's another part of that that he just hates.
I don't know. He he apparently hates Kamala Harris, but likes Tim Waltz quite a bit. I mean, I
joke. I said, I'm gonna assume it's not because it was preference over the Vikings, you know,
it's just weird. It's just weird. It's weird how much he was like, I love you, but you're
fucking president, the presidential candidate. I fucking hate her. That bitch. Like it was
really really weird okay it was really fucking weird man um i kissed the debate can someone
summarize it sucked don't worry you didn't miss anything oh i felt like kamala harris hard hillar
cleans the consoles of 2020 this election is convincing me that much more i don't know i just
like yeah oh also yeah that was another wonderful part where vance was like january 6
wasn't bad. We should have finished the job. Look at how much worse things are because Donald
Trump isn't the president. That was cool. He was like, yeah, January six was awesome. And also,
and also I agree. And also it should have happened. And it should have been completed
so that Joe Biden couldn't ruin the country. Okay, that's a cool, that's a cool argument to make.
Many Americans are probably not going to agree with that. Not every American has the
same attitude that I do towards January 6th being funny objectively, okay? Even though it is, even though
it is. Yeah, but, Walls, Walls looked definitely way too docile, for sure. I don't know, I just,
I don't know why, I don't know why the Democrats are just so fucking bad at addressing Republican
lies. Like they do it all the time. It's not like, it's not like Republicans are like,
Oh, out of nowhere, we just started lying. And then the Democrats are like, Oh my God,
I can't believe they lied. It's like, they very consistently lie about the same shit.
So you should at least predict that angle of attack and have an effective very quick counter
to it. You know what I mean? One of the things that I routinely talk about on this broadcast,
if you guys are new here, only watching for the elections or only watching for the debates
is the objective, like why the objective reality of what is going on in terms of like immigration
being a burden on our economy. It's a falsehood, okay? Immigrants give way more than they take
from the system. Undocumented migrants in general are not responsible for more crimes
than documented U.S. citizens are. They're actually responsible per capita for far less crime
than natural born US citizens are. So they're not necessarily a national security problem either.
Like one of the things that the Democrats have completely fucking capitulated and caved on,
which Tim Moss didn't even push back on, which makes me go crazy. I want to claw my goddamn eyes out
is when he was like, oh yeah, fentanyl being trapped across the border, who's going to fix it?
He was like, oh, we're going to fix it. It's like, bro, 80% of the drugs that are being
traffic across the border are not being shipped with child mules in the way that in the way
that fucking stupid ass JD Vance dimension. It's 80 on some years. Usually it's 90%. Okay.
Here's the Kato Institute. US citizens were 89% of convicted fentanyl traffickers in
2022. Okay. 89%. It's Americans that are bringing the fucking drugs not undocumented
migrants dude that logistically makes no sense like that's not how you can build a
and an active supply chain okay you cannot you cannot build a a supply chain
by trafficking drugs in the pockets of migrants who are gonna get apprehended
by Customs and Border Patrol is so fucking stupid it's so stupid it
doesn't make fucking sense it's happening at regular points of entry
and it's happening with American citizens like they're the ones who are
bringing it in. And we're just like, nah, dude, it's actually migrants. Sorry. Anyway, it's
also wild that everything is behind behind every problem in America is a migrant. Okay.
And undocumented migrant, which by the way can be a documented migrant, but according
to JD Vance, that doesn't count either. Turns out documented legal migrants into
the country are also undocumented, according to JD Vance, which he openly communicated
once again. He said it over and over again, which is a crazy thing to say. How are you
not going to address that? How are you not going to turn around and be like, what are
you talking about? What do you mean? These guys are documented migrants and you want
to consider them undocumented and you want to do mass deportation. What kind of freak
shit is that? I guess some interesting parts about the debate, some interesting
parts about the debate, of course, is that both JD Vance and Tim Walls agree
that like housing shouldn't be treated like a commodity. Not that I believe either of them
actually are committed to that position. Maybe Tim Walts is okay, but like J.D. Vance certainly
isn't. That was a wild thing to say though. No, no documented immigrants in the US abolish
citizenship. I agree. Yeah. The United States, no more borders, no masks, there's no borders.
But yeah, they fucking agreed on way too much man. I hated that.
on Tiananmen Square. I mean he was talking about riding the bike and Nebraska and the summers and
and he went on and on and on and he just said look I misspoke I screwed up I'm a human.
Instead he looked yeah he lied about that and maybe people reminded him of his lies about
in his time in uniform and so that was bad. I was I was just like I lied about the top of the
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you say 10 out of 10 and they'll say it to and so on well at by the end of
the debate he was like the guy with like fleet jim shoes on running away from
the question he wouldn't answer the question about the election couldn't
because Donald Trump would not allow him to say that the election was legitimate.
But on the health care issue, because I was there, I just want to tell you, the Affordable
Care Act has meant so much to so many people.
Donald Trump tried 60 times to kill it.
Only John McCain saved it.
When he couldn't kill it, he cut the budget for marketing of the ACA.
He cut subsidies for the ACA.
There were many ways in which he tried to strangle the ACA because he couldn't outright
kill it.
And he said in this campaign that he wanted to eliminate it still.
So to hold him up as a champion, the guy who saved the Affordable Care Act, was perhaps
the most disingenuous.
God damn it.
I need to hear that sweet Axl dick dude.
Come on.
CNN.
Where is this at?
Let's hear what else is.
where is the coverage, where is the God-paying coverage?
There wasn't a lot of hits landed,
it was more just playing defense or sticking to the issues
that he was trying to push forward on.
And there were things he could have fact checked him on.
I was kind of stunned by the Obama care
that he let him get as far as he did
on suggesting that Trump was the savior of it.
I think that, to be honest,
Tim Walz was a little in over his head tonight.
I think his performance got better by the end of the night.
The best moment, and unfortunately,
it's probably what the fewest voters
are gonna have seen was the January 6th answer.
That felt like the moment that he had kind of taken the bait on JD Vance being the nice
guy and trying to be friendly with him.
And in that moment, he's like, wait, this is somebody I don't trust.
This is somebody who has lied about things.
And he kind of found his bearings there.
That was a moment.
He's almost sent me to NBC Live.
I think I should go play with him.
I want to see some undecided voters.
He's called him out.
Say some of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my entire life, please.
I'm the undecided voter, by the way.
And I've decided, okay, actually I'm even more undecided now.
Why am I undecided?
Because I wanted to know who would be committed to Israel doing the first strike on Tehran.
Okay?
Who will be the brave candidate, the brave administration that will allow Israel to do
nuclear holocaust.
Okay?
And now I'm even more undecided, because both of them said yes to it.
So now I'm even more undecided, which is why I'm writing in Biden.
Okay?
That's why that's why I'm even more undecided because they addressed it, but they both said yes to it
And I couldn't tell which one was more excited about it. It seemed like they were both maximum excited
about the prospect of giving the nuclear apartheid state committing a genocide the opportunity to first strike Iran
Okay, that was what my major question was I was shocked that the media
immediately asked that as the first question
question. Vance and waltz fades off in civil policy focused debate. It's so funny that Trump
in the midst of it all was like talking about Pete Rose. He was like, this debate sucks.
The great Pete Rose just died. He was one of the most magnificent baseball players that
ever played the game. He paid the price. Major league baseball should not have allowed
him into the hall of fame. Many years should have allowed him into the hall of
fame. Many years ago, do it now before his funeral. This is the man that needs
the nuclear launch codes. Okay. Once again. He rose was a pedophile, by the way. I didn't
know that. I don't know anything about baseball. He was a self admitted pedo. Jesus Christ.
What the fuck? That's crazy. What the fuck? That's wild. I guess it's because like all
the rock music was like talking about half doing statutory rape to minors. So they
they thought it was cool to say shit like that. That's insane dude. How are you a self
admitted pedophile? Wild shit. Yeah. He heard, he heard she was only 17. If you know what
I mean? And it was like, I do know what you mean. I'm Pete Rose and I agree with this
message. I endorse it. Yeah. But like no one has more hits than him ever. So that's
got to like mean something. He was banned from baseball for gambling on the MLB. What
that mean? Does that mean that being a pedophile makes you hit harder? Like, is that the, is
that my takeaway from this? I didn't know anything about Pete Rose until this moment. And let me
tell you everything I've found out about him in the last three minutes have been awful. Okay.
What the fuck? Vance is on Fox News. Trump, not Kamala Harris, the person who has sort of broken
the entire world. And I just tried to make that point as much as possible, man, just make it
it about substance and let the American people make up their mind.
One of the things is I was watching the 181 ballistic missiles being fired from Iran into
into Israel and I'm so thankful they got most of them down but they're now really fighting
a forefront war.
And I just know in the back of my mind that there is this radical anti-Israel anti-Semitic
even wing within the demo.
I just I hate it man.
crazy tomorrow when they fucking go to war with like a rock or something
they've stated over and over they want to wipe Israel off the map we here at the halls of congress
college campuses this is a serious they're they're very existence is at risk here no that's exactly
right and of course not just their existence but america's national security here but if Iran
becomes a regional hegemon it will have a nuclear weapon the next week that will
seriously endanger the United States of America because the Iranians have shown
they're clearly not rational do you think about this this this happened
Sean because of confused policy from American leadership we ask ourselves like
how did it get to the point where Iran is launching 200 ICBMs at America's
most important regional ally and the answer is because they don't actually
know where Kamala Harris stands now you talk about how that's rising up to
sort of this weird pro homoswing within their own party that's why because the
ayatollah loves Kamala Harris but it shows that that confusion that comes
out of that policy invites a lot of aggression invites a lot of bad guys
doing terrible things and it also Sean motivates a lot of really stupid policy
200 ICBMs that's not cheap Iran has a lot of other weapons how did they fund
it two reasons Sean number one Kamala Harris went to war against the
American energy sector that radically increased the amount of oil whether
Yeah, like
These people are fucking so insane. It's just like the media is so at odds
The media is so at odds with like the the popular sentiment expressed by the public on a regular basis
Where did you straight up are like no Kamala Harris like?
Not sufficiently pro-Israelist like what do you want to do execute a Palestinian child directly her administration is every day
Okay, okay, every day by the tens, if not hundreds, okay?
What else do you want, you know?
A randomly firing into Israel.
And what should America's response be here?
Well, look, I think it's tough, Sean,
because we don't have a president that we can actually trust.
I don't even know who the president of the United States is.
And that's one thing we didn't actually get into the debate
that I really wanted to hammer Kamala Harris on
is that for three and a half years,
America has been saddled with the president
of the United States who can't do the job.
And the reason is because Kamala Harris lied and said he was up to the job of president.
And of course he wasn't.
And now we're in this, we've got this terrible crisis in Appalachia, these terrible floods,
a lot of people affected.
We've got this regional war breaking out in the Middle East.
And we don't have effective American leadership, but our response is, is fundamentally, this
is Israel's security and they have to make the decision about how they're best going
to protect their own security.
They need the support of their American allies, not Joe Biden as confused as he is, standing
behind them effectively promising that he's going to punish them if they dare to.
No Chad, Kamala Harris didn't cause the hurricane.
It was immigrants like would, come on, get it right.
Kamala Harris caused everything bad because she brought the immigrants in who caused the
hurricanes.
A viable intelligence service.
They're going to make their own decision about how to protect their sovereignty.
I think our role here support our friends and also get back to some common sense foreign and economic policies
So that we can be strong enough to respond to the next national security challenge. Let me ask you
I mean kept bringing up a point that I felt was very effective in this debate
And that is she's been vice president nearly four years and you know on day one
I'm gonna fix inflation on day one. I'm gonna fix the border on day one
I'm gonna do this and that and you know and walls kept bringing up the issue of immigration
You brought up the 90-some-odd executive orders that they bragged about, but also for
three years they said the border is secure and Harris wants to decriminalize illegal
immigration, offer free food, housing, healthcare, education, sex change operations, amnesty
on top of it, and we have all these unbedded illegal immigrants.
Now, dozens of Americans have been murdered.
I had the parents of two of them on last night, Rachel Moran's mom and Jocelyn
Nungari.
Many Americans have been raped including children.
We have other victims of violent crime, unvetted, harassed by the New Lakes.
The cost is through the roof and I think America understands it, but you also brought up other
aspects how it impacts education and the economy and the housing and the high cost
housing.
Look man, so much of our problem is actually due to common heritage open border.
You take 25 million illegal aliens that take a small community.
say you've got a school district of four or five thousand oh dude it's over I mean
dude we are so we are so Omega Hitler at this point this country is just
bouldering towards Adolf okay we are leaping we are we are sprinting
towards Adolf Hitler yeah I saw the uncommitted voter for Israel hold on we
You got to listen to this fucking guy.
This is my guy.
Now, I didn't learn anything in this debate,
but kind of helped me reach a conclusion.
I was really happy with both of their answers
about Israel at the very beginning.
For the record, I will say,
I'm convinced at this point that that's a op.
I think that the undecided voters
that they place on these fucking panels
is 100% an op.
Okay, I'm just gonna say that.
I'm just gonna say that right now.
100%, no, this is not a real person, okay?
This is not a real undecided person, okay?
Half the time we find out that they're not undecided at all
as a matter of fact, but like,
I'm not even talking about that,
I'm talking specifically,
they bring people to say key issues, okay?
Key issues that not the general public cares about,
key issues that the media wants to make it seem
like the general public cares about, okay?
Straight up, straight the fuck up, okay?
Let's hear what, let's hear what this very real undecided voter has to say.
But kind of helped me reach a conclusion. I was really happy with both of their answers
about Israel at the very beginning. But I had a crazy day today. I started this morning interviewing
Aviva Siegel, a former hostage whose husband Keith Siegel, an American is still held hostage in
Gaza, along with another six Americans and over a hundred others. And no one addressed that at
at all, no one addressed rising anti-semitism
on college campuses.
Shut up, bitch.
Fuck outta here.
Come on, dude.
Oh my god.
Be fucking real, dude.
Oh my god.
She said, nobody interested in you
of rising anti-semitism on college campuses.
Get the fuck outta here.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh, fuck out of here, dude, okay. Yeah, I'm a stevedore and honestly, I'm a long
sherman. And one of my primary concerns is the rising issue of anti-Semitism on
college campuses. If you ask the average American, they'd probably be like,
we're not doing enough anti-Semitism. What the fuck are you talking about,
dude? Literally. And I'm not even saying that about like Israel. They're just in
general as a standalone anti-semitism is rising and Americans want more of it
okay completely removed from Israel pro-israel anti-israel on both sides most
Americans already have underlying anti-semitic tendencies to begin with
absolutely zero Americans are voting on the basis of anti-semitism increasing on
college campuses okay Jesus Christ
Oh my lord, dude, rising anti-Semitism on college campuses. I have more homework to do.
Thanks. I'm afraid we're out of time. Thank you. Oh, that's great. That's great. That's
cool, man. Oh, Jesus Christ. Average rural Pennsylvania probably. Yeah. The average rural
Pennsylvania not probably definitely believes that. Okay. And, and on both sides of the
issue of Israel for the record, like they could be the average rule of Pennsylvania was
like, I don't know why we're giving so many tax dollars to the Jew nation. They control
the media. That's probably why, or we need to give more tax dollars to defend Israel
because, uh, because it's the, it's the God's chosen children and, uh, I'm an evangelical,
but also they run the media. Both sides of the issue is going to be anti-Semitic.
the United States of America. Okay. Come on. Literally ridiculous. Like she didn't even
say anti-Semitism rising in America. She said on college campuses, brother, I can't, I can't
like what? Like not even anti-Semitism rising in America. Okay. That at least addresses
a concern of like Jewish voters for sure. That is definitely a concern of Jewish voters.
She said anti-Semitism rising on, okay, I'm done.
I'm done, no, no, we're moving.
We're moving on from this objectively insane statement
from a definitely real undecided voter.
Okay?
Oh, Jesus Christ.
It's so many of the, the one key thing
with like undecided voters that makes me feel
like it's always an op
is that they're always so right-wing.
Like there is, you rarely ever see like one undecided voter
that's like, dude, I want the housing prices to go down.
What the fuck?
It's impossible to rent, okay?
I meet real people every fucking day
and that is like their primary concern.
But I turn on the television
and I see these fucking undecided voters
and they're always talking about like
the most weird right-wing issues.
They're always so undecided
because they're so heavily invested in the right wing framing for some fucking reason.
You know what I mean?
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I don't know how, there's just so always laser focused NBC, CNN, no matter where you fucking
tune into, every undecided voter is like literally just a Trump voter.
Almost always.
They're almost always just straight up fucking Trump voters, dude.
It's wild.
Americans where they're at in the fucking real world they come across like they're goddamn socialists when it comes to like their own
Economic struggles and how to address them
But turn on the TV and everyone's a goddamn small business owner who's like we really got a fucking move on this stuff
You know really I got to make sure that we lower the corporate tax rate a little bit further
Am I right and it's like bitch you own a HVAC business fuck you mean lower the corporate tax burden. What are you talking about?
out. Oh my God. As a moderate myself, I found myself heavily conserved with asylum seekers
in the way base described the illegal process of applying for citizenship and made me agree
with the rulings a little bit more. Now, what are you talking about? Look at comment history.
What as a moderate voter myself. Thank you for covering the hurricane. He leaned devastation.
If you haven't seen covering the minus or intensity, but the CEO may the employee
stay there in the initial flooding. I think it would find a very interesting, especially
of ties, but what do you mean? There is no illegal process, brother. What are you talking
about? Unless you do the customs and border patrol and the Department of Homeland Security
is in the tank for fucking Kamala Harris and they secretly want a migrant invasion in
the way that JD Vance is representing it, you should not believe anything he said.
That application process is simply to streamline the applicants, okay? They look through and
only give temporary protected citizenship status to migrants when they have a legal claim
for asylum. Well, didn't play the whole underside of panel section. Hopefully we'll look at
it tomorrow. Most likely. It's one of my favorite. It's one of my favorite parts of like these
kinds of debate mania. The debate shit is like when you get to hear from like very
obviously right wing voters that they hand selected on a bunch of key issues that like
average Americans definitely do not care about. Okay. Definitely do not care about every undecided
voters like, uh, in 2016, I voted for Donald Trump in 2020. I voted for Donald Trump. I'm
an undecided voter. I'm voting for Donald Trump. It's like, well, bitch, why are you
on the panel? You're not undecided. You are literally the fucking cited. You have
decided with more conviction than like 70% of the democratic electorate. Like what are
talking about democratic party voters are less decided than you. Okay. They're still like,
I don't know. The immigration stuff's kind of weird to me. I'm a Democrat, but I don't get it.
Meanwhile, these motherfuckers are the ones that are getting like, it's like Q and N supporters
that are like, you know, I do think that the Democrats are pedophilic vampires who are
actually overtaking the government by the way of deep state and, and you know,
doing targeted black male assassination campaigns and then cloning out the fucking candidates
It's with like different versions of them that to make them more docile to communist sentiment
But also I'm a little undecided on the issue. It's like no, you're not you're Ashley Babbitt
You got shot in the fucking head at the Capitol on January 6. Okay, you are Ashley Babbitt
You are not undecided. You have made your decision. What the fuck?
Rest in peace comrade
Ashley Babbitt. Oh, yeah, yeah, I
Why? That was a Pittsburgh area bar and there's been two alleged hate crime attacks on Jewish
students that you pit it with in one month, so that's why the anti-Semitism college campus
of being played up in local media has been a headache for Pope Palestinian people in the
area. Okay, regardless. Ridiculous. You bit my January 6th joke. How dare you? I didn't
fucking see it. There's too many fucking chatters.
Oh, yeah, yeah. How do you respond to Prezzo calling you out? Prezzo calling out for
your Twitter coverage of the debates. He's right. And he's funny, but he's also right.
Can't take it downstairs. It was armpit next to the sweets. He's correct.
Oh, actually got to go to the Capitol and meet Ronald Reagan the same day. Correct.
That's a two for, um, what was that? What else was I going to say? Yeah, my, my clear
takeaway from the debate, honestly, you have waltz in the debate. Yeah. No, he didn't
go that far. But my takeaway for the debate is, is basically that, you know, the vice president
should just kiss. They should just kiss. You know, I don't know why they just don't kiss.
They should kiss more. They kissed already. Like they spiritually kissed on stage. They
sometimes even ideologically kissed on stage, but like they should just physically kiss
as well. You know, the real unity ticket, the real unity ticket is not RFK Jr. endorsing
Joe Biden or Donald Trump and then Dick Cheney endorsing Kamala Harris. The real unity is
JD Vance and Tim Waltz kissing each other. And that's what I'm here for. Okay. God,
I fucking hated. I hated that process. It's like, I just don't understand. I constantly
find myself wondering like who is this for it is not for me it is never for me is it for you I don't
think so I guess there's people out there that uh I don't know this this is appealing to all this
here from this freaking nerd he said it in an interview and this is a direct quote I certainly
would like abortion to be illegal nationally no caveats there he added that he was quote sympathetic
to the view that a national ban was necessary don't discount the viewers like don't discount
the the NATO voters okay the one NATO voter can't vote anymore because he's in
jail for an attempted assassination of the former president okay there was one
NATO voter and now he's in jail so we can't even fucking vote and then in the
Senate as recently as late last year he explicitly pushed a national ban as
early as 15 weeks gestation as a debate moderator I said to him he can
try to spin that as just a standard but it's not like a goal or a target
that was federal legislation or the idea of it at least that were the
record. Now that I've said that, there's a second NATO voter for sure.
Paul Anderson before he was elected.
Daniel, thank you very much. We're about to get the first reaction from voters
to the law offense debate. Our focus group of undecided voters in Michigan,
what's going to weigh in? Plus we're waiting results from our
interval of debate. Yes, I can't wait. I can't wait for the for the
undecideds to be like, I'm extra undecided because I couldn't
understand who wanted to nuke to her on more. Okay. Um, here, by the way,
I'm not alone in this. Uh, he wasn't able to explain anything in any way or even repudiated
with any conviction. Again, it doesn't really matter. Just calling balls and strikes here,
but it should have just gone after JD for being unpopular and weird. Why try to make
this guy seem normal. Another piece of evidence that there's been a concrete shift in strategy
in the Harris camp in recent weeks. This is something that I noticed. This is something
that I've been talking about for a little bit. Uh, like post the NC, there was like
a noticeable shift. Tim Walts was in the back burner. They like back pocketed him
pretty aggressively. They also neutered a lot of the most effective parts of his communication
strategy, in my opinion, specifically addressing how fucking weird the, the Republicans are.
I don't know why they did that. Maybe they just like saw something and they were scared. I don't
know. Or maybe they're just afraid of victory. That could be a reason. Okay. Because they just
stop saying that they just whenever they do something and it's like kind of popular, they're
like oh my god we might actually end up putting up good numbers we can't do that please let's
get back to this boring ass bullshit yes ever listen listen listen listen the democrats
have a profound ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory okay they are literally
running against a historically unpopular former president so unpopular that he has now been
attempted assassinated twice. Okay. And it didn't do shit to his numbers. Like, please,
please be for fucking real. There is, there is literally no reason for the Democrats to be this
close in any of these fucking states like Americans are definitely manic when it comes
to their sensibilities in terms of voting like they are of two minds at all times they'll
say we want amnesty now and we want it for all migrants and then they'll in the same
breath say we want to fucking deport every margin in this goddamn country they're all
rapists and drug dealers. Okay. Having said that, however, okay, having said that, however,
like, there are obvious disparities with some of this polling in terms of like the way that
the way that Trump is getting fucking, you know, clobbered. Also, who won the debate
First poll came out at oakie from flash EBS news poll finds
42% at JD Vance 41% Tim wall 70% tie. Oh
I don't know. It's just it's just really really devastating. What happens to the third shooter and they succeed does Vance auto default the press
I don't even I don't know the difference for how the campaign strategy shifting is Jeff Garen
This guy is now running the Kamala campaign. Wait actually
The Rubik's Endure presidential run was the first time the Biden campaign's pollsters now
hers held a deep dive called Kamala Harris Inner Circle to discuss what she's been saying
on the stump.
Over the line came a lot of praise, but also some suggested tweaks.
First said veteran Democratic numbersman Jeff Garen, summarizing their analysis, stop saying
we're not going back.
It wasn't focused enough on the future, he argued.
Second, lay off on the weird talk.
Too negative.
I have covered this, but I didn't know that that guy was like running the campaign.
Anyway, he was fired like two weeks ago, was he?
Okay, let's see CNN's undecided.
Oh, let's go, I'm excited.
They're undecided voters, at least that's what they tell us
in the past they voted for Democrats and Republicans.
At least that's what they tell us.
They were watching intently, taking copious notes
throughout the course of the debate.
And actually we'll start with overall impressions,
guys, because all seven of you came in undecided.
One of you said they've made up their mind.
Ryan, who are you going to vote for and what kind of solidified that opinion?
Well, I'm going to be voting for Kamala Harris.
One of the stark aspects of that debate that really stuck with me was when they were talking about January 6th
and how Mike Pence certified the election and they were wondering if J.D. Vance would certify the election should Trump lose.
Six of you still remain undecided, about 35 days
until the election.
We're going to dig in on some issues in a moment
and your reactions to those issues.
But first, I want to talk about what Jake Taver
was just talking about in terms of the tone.
Everybody seems to agree this was not a.
That is 100%.
That is like a Redditor, OK?
Warmin' Fuzzy was what came to mind for you.
What did you see tonight?
I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.
I'm sorry.
I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.
They supported each other.
They were kind and it was warm and fuzzy.
I mean, you could watch it and not be offended
by the words they were using towards each other.
And I think to that point, one of the striking things
when we were looking at the data
in terms of your guys' responses
is your favorability for both candidates,
regardless of how you viewed them coming into the night,
went up significantly.
You're honest about it.
I want to, I'm Brian, kill me.
Mainly, I think just the way that they did a debate,
like it just mainly that they did an actual debate in in front of me there
was not much fear there was not much hesitancy they showed their characters to
each other in a way and as was mentioned they kind of supported each other as
they're going within debate and not attacking each other personally but
more of the policies and then what they stand for so let's talk about some
of those policies one of the things that we heard was a discussion about
expertise and taxes in particular. This was from Governor Walz. Take a listen.
Look, if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. Donald
Trump believes he does. My pro tip of the day is this. If you need heart surgery,
listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald
Trump. And the same thing goes with this. And I ask you out there, teachers.
Dude, what the fuck's going on with the goddamn CNN coverage? Do we have
another CNN? Do we have another CNN live stream? This just sucks. It keeps
It keeps getting cooked.
Well, you want it.
So we've talked about how each of these undecided voters had dials throughout the course of
the 90 minute debate.
What you saw on the bottom of your screen there, those lines, pink lines for the female
undecided voters, blue lines for the male undecided voters, you saw the movement based
on that response.
I'm not going to lie.
I think it's going to be really funny because JD Vance is going to get broad positive
reception from this and they're going to compare them to Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump's reception was pretty negative.
that's going to piss him off. That sound on expertise, taxes, kind of how he was
presenting that case. Well, it is very important that we have expertise when
making these decisions in policy, right? And so him bringing bringing... What is he
wearing? Specifics to say that we need the expertise making these decisions, I
believe that was very important and that in that in turn made me, you know, turn
my favorability towards him. Yeah, we're having a positive reaction. There's another moment I think
for Senator Vance. That's a different type of Redditor. That's another Redditor. Take a look.
I want us as a Republican Party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to
support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I
want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place
to raise that family. And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front
just to give women more options. Now Karen, this has obviously been a huge debate in this election
throughout the course of the last over months. You're expecting, congratulations, by the way,
that's pretty awesome. What did you hear in that comment from Senator Vance?
Personally, I believe that on the Republican side, it sounded very progressive, more so than I
expected tonight. Just saying that they the other CNN coverage pause at the same
time as well. I'm there's just some wrong with the live CNN feed.
Where's the Caitlin Collins right now? Caitlin? Oh God, no, no, I can't do that.
No, I can't hear from CBS fact checking is gone insane. During the VP debate,
JD Vanes claimed housing in the U.S. is unaffordable because we have brought
in millions of illegal immigrants that can be with Americans in first
scares homes. CBS News confirmed rates this partially true, but it needs more context.
Backcheck true by real American patriots. Hong Kong team caught lying. What the fuck was
he saying about the Tiananmen Square? Like, like why? What? Like, why was how this is
how Tik Tok is reacting to the debate as much as I dislike JD. I think this debate
has been by far the most respectful on both sides in years. They showed empathy and for
the most part didn't talk over each other. They didn't trade. That debate was leaps and
bounds better than a presidential debate. Oh God, gross. NBC News just pulled the group
of undecided voters. Five out five of six said Tim Walz won the debate. Yeah, I still
think they're fucking I still think they're ops. This is damaging because guess what
Dude everybody knows Tim Walls is a human his favorabilities look good
But the fact that they keep but the family keep like agreeing with one another in that debate humanizes
the fucking empty shell
The sociopathic empty shell that is JD Vance
My magma mom prefers waltz over Vance now somehow I thought walls drop the ball hard
No, so the one thing that I briefly mentioned, but didn't talk about too much, didn't dial in too much, okay?
Which is the fact that like Gady Vance reads well in general.
He seems like a different type of politician, an empathetic person, a real person, okay?
Okay, and I think that that is part of the reason why there's still like a 50-50 split
Did I say JD Vance? Oh my god. I mean fucking Tim Walz. Sorry
Tim Walz is an empathetic person. He reads as like a normal person
JD Vance on the other hand is a lizard person
JD Vance is exactly like he's like a Josh Hawley type
where he's just inauthentic he's an inauthentic piece of shit okay so I
think Waltz's normal guy attitude kind of carried him throughout this battle and
I do believe to the media that like the scorers will look at and respond more
positively to the JD Vance style of commentary and debating because they are
They're also all Yale and Harvard and Ivy League graduates themselves, but average Americans
will most likely look at Tim Walz and go, that seems like a normal guy.
He seems like a fucking, he seems like a teacher, you know what I mean?
Approval before and after from CBS, Tim Walz's approval went up, but from 52 to 60%.
But JD Vance's approval went up nine fucking points amongst debate watchers.
So one of the VP debate was generally positive, yeah, and that's not good because people already
liked him waltz, but people did not like JD Vance before.
So them agreeing, this was the other reason why I kept fucking yelling about them agreeing,
you're just only humanizing, you're only fucking humanizing the lizard in a skin
suit that is JD Vance.
That's part of the reason why you didn't even see JD veins like defend Donald Trump all that much and he made it convincingly moderate
He made it convincing moderate of himself
Especially after all of the fucking podcast hits that came out about him
He basically was able to conduct himself in a way where he was able to kind of even separate himself from Donald Trump on like negative stuff
Well, simultaneously and I mean he still obviously has to defend Trump like that's what the base demands
But he basically was building his own personal brand on that stage and he did a really good job at that
And that's actually not very good
This was polarizing Waltz stabilize his image this shoot is exactly how Harris destabilized Trump's image during the debate
And why I think Waltz is a good pig if not the best pig in this particular campaign cycle
No, I think you're wrong. I think Vance came in. Vance absolutely came in as the the unfavorable
candidate and the polls reflect that reality. J.D. Vance's favorability was is far worse
than Tim Waltz's favorability across the board and he was able to debate. He was able
to conduct himself in a way that made it seem like he was in agreement with fucking
a person with high favorability, right? I was shocked at how personal this debate was
between the two of them. It definitely did not feel like a typical VP debate. Usually
they talk about the top of the tickets, like 90% of the time this time they talked about
the top of the things, like 40% of the time. Yeah. But yeah, waltz's performance definitely
left much to be desired. It was subpar. Kamala Harris fucking absolutely clobbered
the shit out of Donald Trump. JD Vance, they didn't do that to Tim waltz in the
same way, but he definitely outperformed him. Tim Walts on the other hand, no, I just I think
he could have done better. But the only reason why he's he didn't take too much of a hit is
because he's still objectively more likable and more human than most politicians. I dished
your actually has a good point. If it matters, post debate cover sometimes matters more
than the debate. And Vance is getting clocked in the media because of a J six answer.
Yeah, his J6 answer was insane.
And I say this is someone who thinks
January 6th was hilarious.
But me thinking January 6th is hilarious is one thing.
Being the new vice presidential candidate
for the former president who did January 6th
and a whole bunch of other stuff surrounding January 6th,
going up on the national stage and being like,
no, actually they should have finished the job is insane.
I don't think that most people care
about January 6th that much,
But news watchers definitely do.
And that's why they'll hit JD Vance a bunch
on that front for sure.
All right, you don't think we're gaming?
It's been a long day?
Yes, we are not gaming.
You are correct on that front, okay?
Because I'm running the last three minute outbreak now
and I'm gonna go to bed because I'm tired.
People saw the same walls they saw before the debate
and people saw JD Vance from his MSNBC days
instead of podcast events.
Yes.
Your misslip shows your buy stores wanting Republicans
to win for being so anti-common.
Yeah, I definitely want concentration camps
in the United States of America.
That's why I actively, I just don't want,
I just don't want the,
I just don't want the Democrats
to do the concentration camps.
I want the Republicans to do it.
That's why I keep yelling about the Democrats
not launching an apple of the defense of migrants.
Anyway, you think there will be any soundbites
or real consequences?
Republicans will make fun of the,
Republicans will make fun of the,
I befriended school shooters line, which was pretty funny.
But other than that, I can't really think about it right now.
I have to keep thinking,
and I will be putting some more thought into this.
And I will offer you,
Of course, massive amounts of coverage tomorrow and hopefully we'll be able to look at even
some more debate reactions, which is my favorite, honestly.
God, I love the American population.
I do hate American politics sometimes.
Tonight was one of those times, okay?
It was not good.
It was not good.
It was bad.
It was objectively bad.
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