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03-04-2025 · 2h 52m

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[00:07:53] Come let Satan with all of me heart to lay the layer of blood on your lap
[00:07:57] I hope you and she will change the answer to their whims and beats and their brains
[00:08:28] Then in the sun, see she's only left you, her sister's life
[00:24:03] Useful Sunday for them in life
[00:24:32] And find yourself a handy idea that be it's convene
[00:25:30] Her to stay at home
[00:25:31] Sit, and I picked it up by the seat
[00:26:01] It's fallen out upon the floor
[00:26:04] The hand of the air to my surprise
[00:26:07] Her of the fellow I confess he went
[00:26:16] Nearly mad with rage and tore his hair
[00:26:22] And said unto him, Jim, don't you wish you had her old friend?
[00:27:06] She said that he asked not the back end
[00:27:11] He asked back and back, she said, shut your mouth,
[00:27:26] the doctor, all part of the blubbing car in there and stiff
[00:27:33] He asked not the back end, he asked back and back, then
[00:27:36] you'll have to back him up from each swore
[00:27:49] with only your skirt going through me
[00:27:57] He asked not the back end, he asked back and back, then
[00:28:00] You're back the back.
[00:28:01] So you better start in the back.
[00:28:14] So you're back in the back.
[00:28:15] Barth it on its toes.
[00:28:20] Then we ask the knuckle.
[00:28:22] The gals are back in the back.
[00:28:23] Then you're back the back.
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[00:29:22] Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the exciting finale
[00:29:39] of Dream League Season 25.
[00:29:42] I'm only pixel.
[00:29:43] I'm here with Avery today. Avery how you doing?
[00:29:45] doing pretty good I am looking forward to the conclusion of the longest series
[00:29:51] I've ever cast it oh and it's it's now been like two days of casting this series
[00:29:55] I'm exhausted I want a finale that's what everybody wants to see how will it end
[00:30:00] the season finale episode of this hit TV show absolutely everybody's been on
[00:30:07] their edge of their seats for the last couple of days and of course the
[00:30:11] finale began on Sunday but what happened before the finale what the
[00:30:15] rest of the playoffs and you can see exactly what went down here upper bracket. We had
[00:30:20] Tundra defeating Power of Vision to get their ticket straight to the Grand Finals and then
[00:30:24] the slightly longer trip down on the lower bracket. We had Team Spirit, they managed
[00:30:28] to take out Chimera Esports 2-1, very exciting series that one and then into the lower
[00:30:34] bracket finals where they met Power of Vision and been knocked down 2-0. I mean at that
[00:30:38] point already you know people were starting to go alright maybe Team Spirit is back
[00:30:42] And then in the Grand Finals, we're obviously coming into Game 4's draft, which is what we're going to be going into very soon.
[00:30:47] But it's 2-1 currently. Spirit, they've got the lead, they're playing for match point.
[00:30:52] I mean, something about that Sunday, right? Spirit, they're back as better as ever, right, Avery.
[00:30:59] They looked really good. I think most people had them favored to win at that point, right, in terms of the momentum,
[00:31:04] the way they were playing the map, the way they were playing the fights.
[00:31:07] I think Tundra might have been able to pull back, but of course, we'll never know.
[00:31:12] We have to go into some new games, and that's going to be really interesting.
[00:31:15] Like, who continues their stride here?
[00:31:18] Does Spirit retain their form, or were they just on a hot streak?
[00:31:21] But they were looking damn good in that finals for sure.
[00:31:25] Absolutely. Bringing out some of the special stuff there.
[00:31:27] We got some of the Collapse Void, something that was getting banned out against them.
[00:31:31] And yeah, it was because he's been playing it so much in the pubs.
[00:31:35] It's been the new hot thing for him to do.
[00:31:37] How about it? We had crazy games, right? This game won.
[00:31:39] Well, sum it up for me.
[00:31:41] I mean, this game was just Red Dawn Show.
[00:31:44] Like, he was like 18, 4, 19 or something.
[00:31:46] He had a thousand XPM, a thousand GPM on a Furion.
[00:31:49] Just absolutely obliterated that game.
[00:31:52] Then we went into the next game.
[00:31:53] It was 33 on the Abaddon.
[00:31:55] Absolutely 1v5 that game. Put the team on his back.
[00:31:58] Then we ended up in this game with the Red Dawn Slark,
[00:32:01] who once more shifted it to spirits here,
[00:32:03] but honestly, the Maposhka Bane.
[00:32:05] That was my MVP analogy.
[00:32:07] That was one of the best bane performances I've seen.
[00:32:09] Maybe in my life, like he was-
[00:32:11] Damn!
[00:32:12] He was only mech-ing.
[00:32:13] He caught in Boker multiple times in clutch situations
[00:32:17] that should have just never happened.
[00:32:18] At one point, he forced an A on disc by, out of BGM,
[00:32:23] and then he didn't slot it in and got caught anyway.
[00:32:25] This catch was super game winning.
[00:32:27] So Spirit were just playing,
[00:32:29] they had people carrying games
[00:32:30] from all different positions in that series,
[00:32:32] and I think that's when this team
[00:32:33] is the scariest for sure.
[00:32:35] Yeah, there's some crazy, crazy long games already this year.
[00:32:38] That, that game three, pretty insane one.
[00:32:42] A real treat here in the Grand Finals so far from these two teams.
[00:32:46] They can't wait to see what more they're going to have in store for us going into this potential.
[00:32:52] Now, game four, maybe a game five, you know, if Tundra's able to turn these around this game four.
[00:32:56] Obviously, to give you guys a refresh, obviously, you would have saw
[00:32:59] that there were efforts to start game four back on the Sunday
[00:33:02] because they weren't successful.
[00:33:03] It will be a redraft again today. So this game for will be starting from scratch
[00:33:08] And as of you probably realized already I'm here today with every because unfortunately cap. He's still on a flight
[00:33:13] He's up in the air somewhere. He's probably tuning in. So hi cap is watching on the plane Wi-Fi
[00:33:22] To do the casting on the plane, you know, well, what do you show that play wife? I mean, it's expensive
[00:33:26] It's not worth the money or what?
[00:33:28] He's you know, he's not casted so he's having a rough time. He's I don't know if he wants to tune in
[00:33:33] Maybe he's watching from like the airport that the airplane bathroom. You know, he's he went in there. He's
[00:33:40] He wants stereo that the stereo
[00:33:44] Audio, you know, you can't let's not have so it's he needs the real experience
[00:33:47] He needs to feel like he's in the in the auditorium. So yeah, let's shout out to him on the air
[00:33:52] It'll be able to catch the boards of course, but those are you watching live here right now
[00:33:57] You're gonna be ready to jump again. We're gonna be able to jump to very soon. The draft will be coming up
[00:34:02] But go back to what you saw at the weekend on the Sunday. What do you expect to see it a day every?
[00:34:09] Hopefully a continuation of the quality in those games because those were super back-and-forth games the teamfights were insane and the biggest
[00:34:15] Yep meta progression. I think in that series was the teamfight escalation
[00:34:19] I think after game three
[00:34:21] Tundra really started to put more of an emphasis on just having five man scaling teamfight in their drafts
[00:34:26] being able to contest Spirit in the teamfights in the mid late game especially and
[00:34:31] We saw them draft towards that so I kind of expect that trend to continue here and hopefully it does because I think that creates some
[00:34:37] Really fun to watch you know everybody likes the big earth shaker dark seer combo RP vacuum type stuff
[00:34:44] I also think a big trend in that series was how much Spirit were shutting down Doracio
[00:34:48] I feel like it was one of Dorachio's worst series in a long time in terms of him finding the impact
[00:34:54] Carrying the games just spell casting mechanics. So maybe the break did him some favors
[00:34:59] Maybe he's gonna come back in like better form
[00:35:01] Maybe Tundra will have thought about why his games were so rough and how to adjust them
[00:35:06] But those were the two big things for me
[00:35:09] Okay, and in terms of the picks obviously we're getting stuff like this bane and this void coming through things that we weren't seeing from
[00:35:16] Other teams or being allowed by the teams when it was the case of spirit for example
[00:35:20] Do you think coming into game four are there still some heroes that these two teams have prepared and are yet to whip out?
[00:35:28] I think there's still a couple. I there's still a couple. I don't think we're gonna see that 33 necrophos again
[00:35:33] I think he's probably done with that one, but I I was expecting a radon bloodseeker at some point
[00:35:39] I feel like he has had that hero up his sleeve. He's a big fan of it in almost any patch
[00:35:45] I think the hero's super viable this patch if we see Pango come out or something like that and it sets up a good bloodsier game
[00:35:50] I was still kind of expecting that hero somewhere in this series
[00:35:53] We saw him bust out the troll in that game that didn't finish and he was kind of cooking on that
[00:35:59] So I think he's super confident to pick anything we could see his Drow Ranger come out
[00:36:03] That's another like Radon classic, right?
[00:36:06] And I would not would not be surprised to see
[00:36:09] be the Sand King for 33 make another appearance because I think that's a hero that they've
[00:36:14] gone back to in a couple of these grand finals when they need something to switch it up and
[00:36:20] still give you like the team fight, the scaling, the flash farming and be successful. So
[00:36:24] those are some of the heroes on my radar.
[00:36:26] Sure. And what do you imagine the teams have been doing on this kind of bit of
[00:36:31] extra time? Obviously one of the longest series because the fact you get this
[00:36:34] day or so between game three and game four, um, you're not overthinking it as the teams,
[00:36:39] or are you going back and watching those replays and, and looking at, you know, in depth of
[00:36:44] what's going on in game one to three?
[00:36:48] That's pretty tough. I think there's a risk you overanalyze stuff in a way. Uh, I think
[00:36:54] if you're Tundra, it might be good because I think they were on the back foot. And
[00:36:58] I think they will probably have looked at the drafts especially and figured out where
[00:37:02] they were winning or losing in those exchanges. I think if you're spirit, it's a bit
[00:37:05] harder to do because they were just playing with confidence right I don't
[00:37:08] think they really cared what Tundra were doing in a sense they were just
[00:37:10] picking heroes that they felt confident they were gonna win with that they
[00:37:13] wanted to play they were busting out some unconventional stuff it's kind of
[00:37:17] hard to adjust that back towards a more conventional side I guess if we think
[00:37:23] about it so I kind of expect them to continue that I hope they continue that
[00:37:26] and they don't lose their their gusto you know what I'm saying in terms of
[00:37:30] like let's let's think outside the box and come up with some creative
[00:37:32] solutions. Yeah, I think they're going to be fine. I think we're going to see them continue
[00:37:37] to bring that sort of level, because it seemed that, you know, this was Spirit very much powering
[00:37:42] up. And I can't imagine Spirit being a team that kind of powers up and then it kind of
[00:37:46] dwindles away, right? You know, the Spirit that we're seeing turn up over the duration
[00:37:50] of Dream League Season 25 into these Grand Finals, that was going to continue into
[00:37:55] the next tournament into the next tournament, right? It is very clear that this squad
[00:37:59] is it's not a one hit wonder right once they get going they're not going to stop
[00:38:04] I mean these are generational talents on a team that's getting their groove back together that is one two tis
[00:38:09] that's in the debate for goat team right uh it's not a fluke in any capacity they were definitely
[00:38:15] underdogs going into the series I think but now it's completely even and they're they're firing
[00:38:21] on all cylinders like rue has slotted in really nicely to this team it's giving them maybe a bit
[00:38:25] bit of fresh air, having a new player. Sometimes it just changes things up, changes the dynamic,
[00:38:30] the communication, the ideas. I think that goes a long way. And these guys are hungry
[00:38:34] for another land win, I think too. I think we saw them lock in in that Grand Finals.
[00:38:39] This team is a different team in Grand Finals. We've all seen that. It's something else
[00:38:43] about them. They just become more clutch, more confident. They care less about the
[00:38:48] risks they're taking and more about what they can achieve. So if they're in that
[00:38:52] They are always a tough team to be and I think they will be in that form
[00:38:55] I think they're not gonna they're not gonna give this one up easy, you know
[00:38:59] No, I said to be sent for tundra. I mean tundra. There's a reason why we're kind of before the playoffs weekend began
[00:39:05] Right, they were considered the favorites. They've been
[00:39:09] Considerably consistent and you know as we've heard from 33
[00:39:12] It means a lot for him to sort of just have this squad that he's been able to build
[00:39:16] But it stays at the top not just the top really but is able to get win after win
[00:39:20] you know first place after first place so he's not gonna let that drift away from him easily in the gameplay here getting into a game
[00:39:29] For so indeed in case you missed Sunday's episode the current standing two-to-one
[00:39:34] Team spirit at the moment taking the lead and with that of course meaning this game for as match point for
[00:39:41] Team spirit to take away the championship title here dreamly season 25
[00:39:44] Let's see if they're able to do it or tundra is able to push this to a game five
[00:39:48] Which you know, we're always down for more Dota 2 here. So everyone's a winner. Whatever happens. Let's see what goes down
[00:39:55] Draw so far looking at the bands
[00:39:57] Any surprises here?
[00:40:01] No, I think this pretty much what we're seeing
[00:40:03] I do think night stalkers gone up in priority between these two teams, but I think that
[00:40:08] Hero was maybe a little more successful for spirit than for tundra though tundra had some decent success with the support night
[00:40:14] Stalker for Soxa, I think that's where it looks scariest on them, whereas for Spirit it looks
[00:40:18] scariest on Collapse. So that's kind of an interesting ban from Spirit, but I think all
[00:40:22] these heroes are the power heroes. I don't think there's any way Spirit are giving Tundra a life
[00:40:26] stealer in a thousand simulations this year. That's just not going to happen.
[00:40:31] And the other interesting ban I guess you could say is this Magnus from Tundra.
[00:40:35] A hero you want to take away from Spirit, but it's an interesting hero in this series because
[00:40:39] I think Tundra were very confidently picking the Magnus or Doracio, but was he living up to the
[00:40:45] performance they needed out of him on that hero? I think there was a lot of debate whether he was
[00:40:49] or not, so they will take that hero out there, remove the Radon Furion that decimated them in
[00:40:54] that game one, and it will go back for the Abaddon, almost 100% 33 on this, and he is very
[00:41:00] creative on this hero. See what Spirit want to respond to this hero with, because they
[00:41:06] They were the ones who actually had some success with Abaddon in the series.
[00:41:09] I felt more than Tundra did, particularly counting, countering the Magnus in that
[00:41:14] game three caused a lot of problems for the team fight in that game.
[00:41:19] But the tiny slips through.
[00:41:22] So it's a big draft decision from Tundra, like leaving this hero.
[00:41:25] And then you have to be confident that you your first pick is more valuable
[00:41:29] than having first picked the tiny because Tundra will play the tiny on Doracio for sure.
[00:41:33] Yeah, that's crazy.
[00:41:34] second most banned here are this tiny and oh yeah look at our win rate 25 to 14
[00:41:40] In a world where this here has been picked at our pre atrocious win rates
[00:41:44] You know that this there's quite something you know this hero is not one that the stats to go against. I
[00:41:49] Don't know. This is a scary opener if you're Tundra. I think like you gave away tiny to the second pick
[00:41:56] Yep, I think is gonna be tough to draft against and I don't think a bad
[00:41:59] He can ruin his laning phase and he can be an annoying target to jump, but the Tiny definitely
[00:42:08] just outscales you and he makes the game really hard to later it goes.
[00:42:12] If it's even 30, 40, 50 minutes you're going down that territory, you rather have the Tiny
[00:42:16] than the Abaddon I think.
[00:42:17] I mean maybe 33 just thinks he's like the Abaddon God.
[00:42:21] Definitely possible.
[00:42:22] You know that you go on this guy.
[00:42:23] Now that he won 2 TI's he thinks he's like the go player.
[00:42:26] He doesn't care anymore.
[00:42:27] I don't know. Maybe it's getting to himself, but I'd rather have the tiny in this situation.
[00:42:35] Yeah, I'm just having a look at the stats.
[00:42:37] I think I think Spirit they're on about a nine game win streak with tiny like they have not been losing with tiny
[00:42:43] and the last time they were allowed to play it was back in group stage one.
[00:42:50] So 15 days ago since then, I don't know, never got through never got through.
[00:42:55] Oh, and like, you know how much black tunch we're going to get
[00:42:57] if they took two days here and then their ideal is give Spirit this tiny and they get
[00:43:01] well say they get like in 20 minutes it's gonna be real bad I'm looking at the numbers
[00:43:09] up what is it about tiny like why is this hero like the one that you just really don't
[00:43:13] want to let through well what's so crazy about him right now because I think Dota
[00:43:17] in the last few years especially was is revolved around these really tanky damage dealers
[00:43:21] and that is just tiny enough shall right like the amount of HP you have to get
[00:43:26] through on this hero because of the bonus armor, the 4k base HP pool at level 20, and
[00:43:31] then the fact that he can Flash Farm with Cleave, so he always gets to scale, and he just does
[00:43:35] so much damage.
[00:43:36] It's just like the perfect archetype of hero on the patch, because his laning is pretty
[00:43:40] strong, he can Flash Farm jungle, he can do Ancient Stacks, and he becomes incredibly
[00:43:44] tanky.
[00:43:45] So you have to find ways to deal with his damage and his HP, and there's just
[00:43:48] not a lot in Dota right now that teams are confident doing that.
[00:43:52] I do think there are certain heroes that take advantage of the high-hp pool that are in the meadow like the winner wyverns one
[00:43:59] Bloodseeker in theory is another again. I bring that hero up because we just haven't seen it, but I could see it come out in this game
[00:44:07] You can slow him down like I mean there's like midnight pulse and stuff
[00:44:10] But you don't want to lane hitting the end of this hero
[00:44:12] So it's just kind of tricky to find a hero that
[00:44:15] Shuts down his flash farming rate from the lane, but can also deal with him in the team fights
[00:44:19] That's the problem a lot of teams have had
[00:44:22] I see that's pretty well. I mean I just look because it literally in the last month
[00:44:27] Neither tundra or spirit have ever lost when they got time. So it's not as if like from tundra's perspective
[00:44:32] They're like how we tried that here. It's not good. We lost a few games. They never lose with it either
[00:44:36] So neither teams lose with tiny so
[00:44:40] Yeah, it's gonna be quite the test crazy. It's crazy. They gave it and they could have first picked it too
[00:44:45] You know they could they could have
[00:44:47] You'll see if it comes back to bite them and there's a mobility hero trying to take advantage of the lack of stun from this a bad and opener
[00:44:53] Also was a very successful hero in that series
[00:44:57] Yeah, but it was one that was starting to get countered a little bit
[00:45:00] We saw the Bane come out first the weaver we saw a disruptor come out from the weaver
[00:45:03] We will not see either of those instead
[00:45:05] This is the team fight I was talking about Tundra do not want to get out team fought here
[00:45:09] And they will just slam down the giant echo
[00:45:12] dong of teamfight in these two picks and say come at come at us bro you know like
[00:45:18] we're gonna 5v5 you we don't care what you have warlock is another hero that can
[00:45:23] take advantage of tiny in some ways with the bonds like he's a big bonds target
[00:45:27] that generally doesn't buy super early bkb compared to a lot of other carries we
[00:45:32] seen players go for like the harpoon silver edge S&Y something in this
[00:45:37] category so he doesn't net always get a disbell early which makes him a
[00:45:41] Really good bonds target so I kind of like the walk here downside is that weaver matchup really sucks
[00:45:48] The lane's kind of bad in the you're just a hero without a disable where if weaver gets on you in the back line
[00:45:54] He just so what kills you and it's really hard to deal with
[00:45:58] What's going on there? We get Oracle?
[00:46:01] This one also doesn't lose they're getting some pretty good heroes on spirit. I
[00:46:06] mean
[00:46:08] I don't think this is not traditionally that common of a team spirit hero going back the last few years
[00:46:14] They do not play this a lot. They played it a couple times
[00:46:17] But it's a bit. Yeah
[00:46:20] It's not like twice. Anya, you know
[00:46:22] No, they play they played it once in group stage one. They did once in group stage one against para vision
[00:46:26] They won that game in 19. They did win it. Yeah, they own that game
[00:46:30] But post goes definitely super capable of the hero. It's just not usually the kind of hero
[00:46:35] They prefer Boposhka on either big teamfighters or setup heroes, you know, like the Bane, he's played bounty hunter.
[00:46:41] So having him on a backline save, the one backline save he plays is Shadow Demon a lot.
[00:46:48] So this can be in that kind of setup, but it's kind of cool to see them bust out.
[00:46:52] And there's the Pango. I mean, if there were a Bloodseeker game, it's got to be verse Pango.
[00:46:57] But I hate calling that hero because every time I've called it, it has not come out.
[00:47:02] But it is a Dorachio hero and they might be concerned about the control for this pango and blood seekers
[00:47:09] What else are you going to get at this point in the draft?
[00:47:12] You're not wrong. Yeah, you're pretty locked in. I mean, I there's faceless void. I guess but their line ups terrible with faces for it
[00:47:20] I guess the thing is a little bit with the Oracle right one of the weaknesses you're potentially saying about spirit against the warlock of
[00:47:25] Secular rights not having that that build up with the items that are going to go for the dispel
[00:47:29] Now you've got that support that kind of covers that bit of a weakness, right?
[00:47:32] Yeah, 100%. The Dispelt, you're super useful. You're gonna make Tiny way stronger in this game.
[00:47:37] Like Fate to Yacht on Tiny, doesn't disarm him anymore. He's just gonna be swinging.
[00:47:41] You're not dealing magic damage. Tough hero for Shaker to play into if you don't catch the Oracle
[00:47:45] and the Fissure when you're going in with the combo. That is something you 100% look for,
[00:47:50] but if you don't land it, it's... that teamfight's rough. And it's nice on the lane.
[00:47:56] Like you can insta purge these Abaddon shields or insta purge bonds depending on where you lane this Oracle, which I don't think is completely out of the question.
[00:48:05] We've seen teams lane Oracle in that off lane versus the Warlock before if you really want to just guarantee some heroes survives down there.
[00:48:15] See what stocks at once.
[00:48:18] They're going to take carry.
[00:48:19] OK, so take the Phantom assassin.
[00:48:21] That's like the anti Oracle hero here, right?
[00:48:24] Get on the back line.
[00:48:25] Take the save out of the fight.
[00:48:27] But it does not address control issues versus the pango and the matchup versus the tiny I think is
[00:48:32] Hit or miss
[00:48:34] Like tiny when he gets to that
[00:48:36] Third or fourth item that's a silver edge
[00:48:38] He could just stun you break you in toss you and you're dead. You just get a hundred to zero
[00:48:44] I think that matchup is a little spooky later on but you do get the warlock pa here which
[00:48:49] tundra
[00:48:51] They must have a very high win rate with warlock pa. They're like the warlock pa team
[00:48:55] Yeah, I think what in the last month PA has been a 71% win rate over seven games and the warlock's been
[00:49:03] 66% win rate over six games. So
[00:49:06] Yeah, we're not even a pretty good. I feel like they invented this safe lane, too
[00:49:10] Like they were the ones that really showcased how this PA world can just
[00:49:15] Decimate some off lanes. They have a maybe the best world player in the world right now in white mon
[00:49:19] They have one of the best PA players. This is a very strong combination for tundra
[00:49:23] And you have this a bad end to back it up. So your chances to jump in and burst this PA are
[00:49:28] They're gonna be really small windows. You have to make it work here if you're scared
[00:49:34] Okay, bonobos
[00:49:36] Can the grim bad? Yeah, that's a pango control
[00:49:41] I said the only other ones are like treant and bane or something which I don't know if socks is gonna play some of those
[00:49:48] He could I guess but the other hero that I think comes to mind for me is that Batrider
[00:49:54] But this Oracle is really blocking that bat pretty significantly here. Yeah, that makes it kind of rough right?
[00:50:00] Yeah, so I don't think socks is gonna go into that the support bat versus weaver oracles
[00:50:06] It sounds a bit hard
[00:50:08] Maybe they just want to jump like maybe they don't care about the early skirmishing and they just want to hear that game jump
[00:50:14] In which case that bad is honestly not that bad if you're just planning to jump the oracle every single time, but I
[00:50:23] Would be surprised if they go for near what a silencer game though. Oh man
[00:50:31] That's the San King gone
[00:50:37] And collapse and tundra
[00:50:41] What are they fancy not too much time left on the bonus time as well. So how to be something soon
[00:50:46] It's still that bounty hunter, but okay. This is
[00:50:49] support shaker probably you don't think shaker a bed and I'm thinking that's
[00:50:57] still gonna be 33 Abba and they're just gonna like fissure block form if they
[00:51:00] have to but just play the roaming shaker okay I mean how's Roman shaker I feel
[00:51:05] like we don't really see that nowadays to me not often though it's pretty slow
[00:51:09] to build up like unless you can get some kills online the early game is really
[00:51:13] slow and painful you don't get a lot of levels you're stacked you can't
[00:51:16] really stack too well I think is another reason we don't see it like
[00:51:19] Generally, we see a lot of ranged force because you can just double stack jungle and there will be no bloodseeker in this game
[00:51:24] Despite my wishes, but Oracle Lash that is something to take advantage of this Oracle for sure
[00:51:32] alright
[00:51:33] So I'm feeling like from from the vibe you're a little bit more certain with what spirits got here
[00:51:40] Yeah, I think I'm leaning towards them slightly they got this tiny that is just a monster
[00:51:45] They have a decent amount of lockdown for the storm. It's not some ultra free storm game like you have a
[00:51:50] A leash from the Oracle, you have stun from the Lesh potential, you have rolling thunder,
[00:51:55] you have the Tiny with the Avalanche, which is one of the better ones, a lot of burst
[00:51:58] damage.
[00:51:59] And then you have this Four Shaker on Tundra, which I think is, it's a super high risk
[00:52:03] high reward pick.
[00:52:06] When Four Shaker works, it's incredibly strong, and when it doesn't work, it falls incredibly
[00:52:11] flat.
[00:52:12] So I'm just a little worried for this Tundra offlane in terms of, like, did you
[00:52:16] You get enough out of picking Storm here and putting that shaker into the off lane as a
[00:52:21] support to justify this kind of setup here and they're going to have to prove it to me,
[00:52:26] I think.
[00:52:27] Yeah, it seems a bit of a weird move to do when it comes to, when you don't actually
[00:52:30] have the last pick mid, right?
[00:52:32] You know, I could understand it more if it's to kind of get this hero in the
[00:52:34] mid that counters, you know, whatever the other teams are showing with the end of
[00:52:39] their draft, but obviously it wasn't the case, right, with Lala actually having
[00:52:42] the ultimate last pick this draft.
[00:52:44] Yeah, well I'm to see what works for tundra. What's Huskar still in the pool or did it get banned?
[00:52:48] I think it was still in the pool, right?
[00:52:50] So there's a I think there's a decent chance tundra
[00:52:53] We're just not confident enough to put the shaker mid with the amount of counter picks that we're still left
[00:52:57] That's fair. Yes, and if there's Huskar like you really have to be worried about Huskar Oracle if it was still in the pool
[00:53:03] I'm not a hundred percent, but even things like viper or sniper and stuff would have
[00:53:08] Maybe just ruin their day entirely. So I understand not wanting to put the shaker mid blind here
[00:53:12] But it does present a kind of weak off lane on paper like this is an off lane that I think tiny oracle should
[00:53:20] Free farm against if they don't screw up level one and just feed away kills to 33
[00:53:25] Which we've seen before that a bad game that 33 carried. I thought he had no business carrying
[00:53:29] He put it on his back. So maybe repeat performance in the in the cards here
[00:53:35] I see it's all gonna be very exciting to see and of course you boys and girls
[00:53:39] I haven't been very patient in waiting for this one, but it is now finally here
[00:53:43] This game for of the grand finals of dream league season 25. I'm going to the action
[00:53:50] Tundra versus spirit
[00:53:53] Can spirit get that championship title or will Tundra be able to push this series to a game five?
[00:54:00] It's all gonna be very exciting to see. I mean, yes, actually, I've got a check
[00:54:03] When did the last time saxa played shaker? But did he play at all this dream league?
[00:54:06] No, I don't think he's playing for a very long time.
[00:54:11] Maybe a pub game or something, but I can't remember the last time he played this year
[00:54:15] on competitive.
[00:54:16] It has been quite some time.
[00:54:17] It's just not a very common for right now.
[00:54:19] Because, again, the laning and the stacking, everything's just a little slower and weaker,
[00:54:25] it feels like, than a lot of the other common force.
[00:54:28] So you really have to hit your timings well, hit your windows well.
[00:54:32] Ideally, you get a kill or two on the lane, and you can gank mid.
[00:54:36] That's all that you're having a good shaker game. Yeah, I can tell you the last time sacks are played shaker
[00:54:41] It was two years ago Avery. Oh my god. That's that's a really long time
[00:54:48] In terms of pro games in terms of pub games
[00:54:54] He was that was it was against liquid that was the last time he was on time
[00:55:00] Comes full circle, I guess
[00:55:02] Oh, this is going to be fun to see.
[00:55:05] Shaker supports back.
[00:55:07] He's got a Fissure Block.
[00:55:09] Exactly.
[00:55:10] You get this guaranteed sort of setup of the lane position.
[00:55:12] Yeah.
[00:55:13] This is, I feel like this is what you should do.
[00:55:17] Every time you play Zero and Pubs or something, you're like, ah, I don't have the Fissure
[00:55:20] Block, you know, because we'll just play the lane.
[00:55:22] But you should almost always double Fissure Block, I think, with the Formshaker.
[00:55:27] Because your level one's too weak.
[00:55:29] No, I got to say, I'm doing my research right. So Sax there, he hadn't played the Shaker support
[00:55:36] even in his pubs, you know, on his main account for half a year until last night. Yesterday,
[00:55:42] on the day off on the Monday, he played two games and he won both of them. So he's turned
[00:55:47] up today and he's like, this is it. This is the hero. So he's feeling it. Let's
[00:55:51] see. He invented Seleno. Oh, Rue. Almost feeding that first blood. Feeds the Carrier.
[00:56:02] But then up the turn goes to the Sentry on, so...
[00:56:04] Oh, there's a little catch there from Whitemon.
[00:56:06] Yeah, it's actually a nice win for Whitemon, because now he has the...
[00:56:09] Well, he alleviated some of that Sentry advantage that this Weaver always wants to win.
[00:56:14] So, this is gonna pay off over the long term, because now Rue has to use his Sentry to block Small Camp here.
[00:56:19] Do not wanna allow the Warlock pulls.
[00:56:21] Which means Whitemon has one Sentry down on the lane and another in his inventory.
[00:56:25] So this is full lane control versus the Weaver.
[00:56:28] Tough start for Rue, honestly. He's not gonna be able to play too aggressive over her ass here.
[00:56:34] And we could be on this top plane with what because is there going to be any pressure on redawn ss thing I?
[00:56:40] Think a badden can create it verse tiny in a vacuum, but I don't think with this shaker
[00:56:45] Maybe you get a very clutch block here at some point on the Oracle and you can run the post go down
[00:56:50] I just think it's gonna be very hard to stop redawn free farming here
[00:56:54] And I'll throw out a fissure, but it's not doing much
[00:56:57] I do think 33 will free farm though, and if you look at tundra's lanes overall
[00:57:01] They're pretty strong. Like you have a bad and storm PA. These are tough cores to shut down in terms of just raw CS
[00:57:10] Like I expect 100 to effectively win three lanes just by default here unless spirit are able to get some clutch kills or makes a move
[00:57:19] Yeah, it's what the the last pick from spirit. This is the Lash Rack
[00:57:24] Yeah, you're picking this not what for the lane situation just because of the overall game and and the fact that you have got that
[00:57:30] synergy with the Oracle way just gonna be able to front line in the fights and be
[00:57:35] unkillable. Yeah I think it's more for the game than the lane. Like it's a fine
[00:57:39] match of burst storm but it's not Viper or something you know. And I think this
[00:57:44] is another hero that really went up in priority over this series. If we go back
[00:57:47] to the first three games, Lesh was looking pretty scary in a lot of the
[00:57:52] situations leading up into this series as well. I think the hero just went
[00:57:55] up in stock over Dream League. He scales really hard. When he gets 5 or 6 slots, there's not
[00:58:03] much that can test this hero in the Ultra Lake game. I think, were you casting the game
[00:58:06] where it was like the Lornoff Leshrac that was just beasting it up in that Chimaera
[00:58:12] game? I think that was a pretty good example of what this hero could do.
[00:58:14] Yeah, I know. I mean, Lornoff, he beasted it up on quite a few, but indeed, his Leshrac
[00:58:20] was definitely one of the ones. I think that was the one where he went for like the,
[00:58:23] still went for the early Bloodstone.
[00:58:25] Didn't actually go for this kind of
[00:58:27] ATOS rush build that we're ever seeing other LESH routes go for
[00:58:31] and towards the Glite net.
[00:58:32] Yeah, I think Laurel is a...
[00:58:34] He is more of an ATOS player
[00:58:36] and we see him queued it up here already.
[00:58:38] So this could definitely be like he's expecting to do well in the lane, get a fast ATOS.
[00:58:42] And if you get that one or two cheeky kills on the storm,
[00:58:45] it instantly pays off.
[00:58:47] But I view this as like higher risk as well.
[00:58:49] You know, if you go that ATOS and you don't get the one or two kills,
[00:58:52] I think it feels pretty bad, because this item just doesn't...
[00:58:55] It doesn't build into anything that good in the short term, outside of the kill threat.
[00:59:00] Not a farming item, not a mana regen item.
[00:59:03] Just kind of a dead item on the map, unless you're finding the pick-offs.
[00:59:07] Looking at the full minute.
[00:59:08] Rune.
[00:59:09] I'm looking at the fish that's set up on a Meposca, but Meposca's got Lall here ready to back him up.
[00:59:13] BZM and Saxa, they gotta be careful.
[00:59:15] Early game, this Lash kicks out a hell of a lot of damage, but the edicts as Lall will chase BZM up to the high ground.
[00:59:20] Another lighting in a second a couple more right clicks. It's not enough from lyle
[00:59:24] But it is enough from saxa saxa will get the first blood taking the poshka down while dropping the ward
[00:59:29] They're trying to get the vision to finish Bzm off but Bzm is far enough away to stay safe
[00:59:34] So good moves there from saxa be able to get himself sent back to base as he denies to neutrals
[00:59:39] rewarded with that first blood gold and
[00:59:41] Tundra not actually losing anyone
[00:59:44] That's a great sequence for socks. So he
[00:59:46] That's first blood. The boots help him out. You get the bounty rune as well and then you
[00:59:53] suicide the neutrals. It's like everything you could want off that sequence. And this is the kind
[00:59:57] of early game that the foreshaker, he wants more than almost any other hero. Just some early
[01:00:02] skirmishing extra levels in the bank, early boots so you can abuse some of the Enchantotum
[01:00:07] aftershock hits. Really nice find from him. And of course, 33 is not going to suffer
[01:00:12] While the shakers off the lane so
[01:00:16] I'm already getting some PTSD here
[01:00:20] Everything's gonna be fine. It's so yeah, this is not the same problem. So no no this
[01:00:25] This is this this game has been given the SPG stamp of a guarantee that nothing's gonna go
[01:00:31] Oh, I don't know about that one, but...
[01:00:33] Yeah, sure, I'll take it.
[01:00:36] It's all good.
[01:00:37] This is a banter, obviously, referencing the fact
[01:00:39] that we did have those issues on Sunday.
[01:00:42] But I'm sure it's all fine.
[01:00:43] I'm sure Sax has just reconnecting.
[01:00:47] Yeah, apparently his cam has just gone off,
[01:00:49] which is a good sign because that means it's a different issue.
[01:00:51] So we like different issues
[01:00:53] because this means this issue is probably not going to be an issue.
[01:00:56] So he should be able to reconnect soon.
[01:00:59] Got a few smiles on the players.
[01:01:01] Well, what we got here? We're getting a deal being done.
[01:01:04] Are you trying to do a deal?
[01:01:05] Anyway, I collapsed trying to make a trade happen here.
[01:01:10] At least they're in good spirits about it.
[01:01:11] I mean, that's that's a good sign, you know?
[01:01:13] I think there's a lot of teams that would be really frustrated with the situation.
[01:01:16] But I guess having a day or two to reset probably also helps, you know,
[01:01:19] you get rid of like the emotional side of it or the reactionary side.
[01:01:23] And then that's a pretty good offer from collapse.
[01:01:27] He only wants for these small creeps.
[01:01:30] Yeah, you're giving that offer
[01:01:34] Okay, well we have oh no, okay. Oh, yeah, we get white mon given the warning that
[01:01:39] Yes, he doesn't want him to take a dangerous deal, you know cares about his safety. He's like well
[01:01:44] I've got a PA in my lane next to me the PA might come and get you and he makes a good point white mon collapse
[01:01:50] Agreed so we'll see if Andy collapse honors that he won't look to steal these creeps down. Well, we'll leave
[01:01:56] I mean, he's gonna he's gonna steal
[01:01:58] No, he's not.
[01:02:00] He's feeling it 100%.
[01:02:02] There's no way any deal is happening here.
[01:02:05] He just made a deal.
[01:02:07] Yeah, apparently there's a little packet loss.
[01:02:09] So that's what we're trying to address here.
[01:02:11] It is not the same issue.
[01:02:13] Only six.
[01:02:14] That's not much, is it?
[01:02:16] That's a lot of opening.
[01:02:18] That's a lot for a pro game.
[01:02:20] I'm thinking these packets.
[01:02:22] I mean, you're going to feel it, right?
[01:02:24] Six percent.
[01:02:25] It's not like you play...
[01:02:27] It's not like six frames out of 100. Yeah, it's a percent.
[01:02:30] Oh, I thought it was like, oh, during this time, you just lost six.
[01:02:33] OK. No, I think the only amount you can play on is it's like less than two.
[01:02:37] Like I played on one to two percent and it's it's rough.
[01:02:42] Any higher than that is it's unplayable.
[01:02:44] So especially for a grand final, we can't.
[01:02:47] Exactly. Six percent.
[01:02:48] You know, one is it with zero, sir.
[01:02:50] But it seems like it's just a PC issue.
[01:02:52] So he's just restarting his PC.
[01:02:54] And no, no.
[01:02:55] I mean, I've got very fancy PCs.
[01:02:57] So these PCs where we start in seconds, maybe, maybe a minute.
[01:03:01] No, actually, I don't know.
[01:03:02] They see it, but literally seconds.
[01:03:03] Yeah.
[01:03:04] I have a feeling spirit has some extra PCs in their team house by now, you know,
[01:03:07] trying to just in case or situations like this.
[01:03:11] So yeah, I think, yeah, spirit is going to be fine.
[01:03:14] I think we are going to play for, as I said, this is going to be fun.
[01:03:16] This is just a nice, normal disconnect.
[01:03:19] Happens worse, of course.
[01:03:20] They'll be back.
[01:03:21] They will be back.
[01:03:23] What we got here.
[01:03:25] Oh, yeah.
[01:03:25] We have to check out the play cam.
[01:03:26] Smiles around there.
[01:03:28] White one, he's ready to go.
[01:03:32] And the rat show, considering he was involved
[01:03:36] in that last deal, wants to turn and kill collapse.
[01:03:42] I'll tell you one thing, spirit's smiling right now
[01:03:43] because the problem's not with them.
[01:03:46] I mean, there's got to be a bit of relief right here
[01:03:48] if your spirit is like, no, it's them with the pauses.
[01:03:51] Yeah.
[01:03:52] Because if it were you again, no matter what it is.
[01:03:55] Yeah, it's got to feel bad, but it's on them now.
[01:03:58] It's their turn to figure it out. We're chillin.
[01:04:01] There is, yeah, there's definitely a bit of, yeah, there's a, you can see what is fine.
[01:04:08] That's a, and that'll be like, well, you can have as long as you want, you know?
[01:04:13] Oh yeah, of course.
[01:04:14] Yeah, I let him fix the issue here.
[01:04:17] Yep.
[01:04:20] Well, so, yeah, so I'm just waiting for, uh,
[01:04:23] Saxon to get the restart done on his PC.
[01:04:25] And then they'll fix it because as we restart fixes 99% of problems. It always does
[01:04:33] I mean, that's what the tech guys always tell you right? That's just they don't have to do their actual job
[01:04:38] Well, I did I used to think that and then once I did have a problem
[01:04:42] And I was not resetting my PC and then when I did actually fixed it and then I was like, you know what they're actually onto something
[01:04:47] They're not just trying to tell it was the problem. I
[01:04:51] Can't remember it goes back in the day. It was like an internet problem
[01:04:54] It was like, you know, you ramp the ISP and then they're like, have you turned it off and on again?
[01:04:58] And you're always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, because back in the day, right?
[01:05:00] It took ages to turn your modem on and off.
[01:05:02] Oh yeah, that was miserable.
[01:05:03] So it's like, you know, I ain't doing that. Tell me all the problems.
[01:05:05] So, you know, you expect them to fix it on their side.
[01:05:07] You like, just do something on your side on the phone line.
[01:05:10] I don't turn it off and on.
[01:05:11] And then eventually when they're, you know, it's not working,
[01:05:13] that they can't do anything.
[01:05:15] Then you do turn it off and on and it actually does fix it.
[01:05:17] So it's downloaded some mysterious files there own.
[01:05:21] So you're saying?
[01:05:22] I didn't know.
[01:05:23] I was uploading them
[01:05:25] Updown, okay
[01:05:27] This guy's running Pirate Bay over there in the 90s or what do you?
[01:05:32] Upload what you upload narrow? Yeah
[01:05:35] Uploading mysterious files. I see that's why I feel like it's worse than downloading. Yeah, I definitely would be a
[01:05:43] That was definitely not the thing you wanted to say there
[01:05:47] No, I didn't tell the ISP
[01:05:49] No, that was all good.
[01:05:51] Mine's never bad.
[01:05:52] I just love the lie, did I?
[01:05:53] I'll turn it off and on.
[01:05:54] Yeah.
[01:05:55] You always got a lie, you know.
[01:05:56] There's like, did you download anything suspicious?
[01:05:58] You're like, no.
[01:05:59] Did you?
[01:06:00] Real story, though.
[01:06:02] We were once having internet issues at our house.
[01:06:06] And then we kept having them.
[01:06:08] And then, so the network, ISP had to come out and they like, you know, there's
[01:06:12] like metal boxes on the street that has like the internet for like the estate
[01:06:15] or something.
[01:06:16] Well, those aren't.
[01:06:17] No, they were, this one guy was looking in it and then we got, the ISP reached out.
[01:06:21] Oh, that's a conspiracy dude.
[01:06:22] Well, these boxes were the internet.
[01:06:24] Yeah, there's nothing in there.
[01:06:26] No, there is, because the ISP looked in it and then they reached out to us and said,
[01:06:29] hey, we fixed the issue and the issue was, there was a, your neighbor was doing something
[01:06:36] that he shouldn't be doing.
[01:06:37] I mean, I don't know what he was doing, but he was doing something that was impacting
[01:06:41] the internet of the entire estate that we lived on.
[01:06:45] To be fair, actually he did move out. We got a new neighbor quite soon after that. So anyway, we never spoke to the guy.
[01:06:52] Government agency somewhere?
[01:06:55] I think it was the black box.
[01:06:57] He lived on his own. He always dressed very smartly. He never said anything to us and then he disappeared one day.
[01:07:03] He's doing something from the next door.
[01:07:07] Wait, what we got here?
[01:07:09] Oh, we're ready. We're ready, Owen.
[01:07:11] Oh, we're ready.
[01:07:12] Thank God.
[01:07:13] I was right lose my mind the longest finals in the history of those two
[01:07:18] back on
[01:07:20] No more pauses as guaranteed by every I
[01:07:24] Guarantee it. That's right. You guarantee it. I
[01:07:27] Did you take the small camp? He did yeah, of course he did oh, and it is
[01:07:32] He's just playing the mind game all the psalms getting there. There's make gas. Do you expect this?
[01:07:38] This is a we've a Oracle coming in with a setup under the tier two. Oh
[01:07:46] Oh
[01:07:48] But what the pause you said there was gonna be any more every I don't even know if he's dead
[01:07:53] Is he what he did this right click is he dead? Yeah, he's dead. He's dead. Do it now. He's got the purifying flames here
[01:07:59] No, he's all rose low. I
[01:08:02] Mean he got the really low role. Okay. Yeah, that's all right. He's dead. I mean, that's a great gank
[01:08:08] ETP to back out instantly dies. I think a little trouble. I mean you gotta gotta get creative here
[01:08:16] Oh, that was not that was not great
[01:08:18] Now what did you know? I mean, okay? I guess Saksa was in okay. Yeah. Well, they still get back to base
[01:08:23] Please he's not gonna be happy to pee. Yeah, that was really bad. He should have just died the tower
[01:08:28] I think I don't know. Did you know I'm not seeing the shaker. I think he didn't I think it was a nighttime vision, right?
[01:08:33] I think he was just me even he must he must have not seen Saksa
[01:08:37] There's no way I don't know dude. That was well, I guess that evens that out, but it's still more XP going to the lush
[01:08:44] Yeah, so there should be a little happy with shutting down this storm early as we're something here
[01:08:50] And hey my poster takes me do a little mid on mid support battle solo XP for Oracle. That's
[01:08:56] That's not too bad. That's some that's some juice right there
[01:09:01] All right, derecho versus collapse down it
[01:09:03] I'm not gonna be a kill perhaps can swashbuckle whenever he needs to
[01:09:10] Yeah, tough hero for the rochetta all in I think can continue to harass him
[01:09:14] But I would be surprised if claps goes down in that lane and the power room arcane for Laurel
[01:09:20] Those end up going to the little Shrek. Yeah, this is this is a catapult way too. They're gonna have advantage
[01:09:25] Wouldn't be surprised to see spirit just stay around here with the supports and
[01:09:28] Try and abuse this storm again or get some deep words out player on this catapult
[01:09:32] I guess they're a bit concerned maybe the collapse needs help down bottom or wisdom shrine 20 seconds for the spawn
[01:09:40] So they don't want to lose it to some weird invasion if they gang commit which I can respect here
[01:09:47] But fairly even early game across the board
[01:09:51] Think the shaker got a little more than they'd be expected. I think socks this game is completely fine
[01:09:58] That's how we're getting that first but with a huge buff to it
[01:10:01] Our cane boots already done like that's what you want to see on this area
[01:10:05] You know some five six minute arcane boots so you can actually run around do a little farming do little ganking
[01:10:12] That's kind of the biggest timing then you're just trying to get to that blink and that's more about the team fights though
[01:10:18] Socks are having a good start here storm got shut down a bit and the PA is the one thriving here Dorachio
[01:10:24] Really on top of that net worth chart early just free farming
[01:10:29] 48 CS already this is
[01:10:31] A really good start for the PA, but of course Radon. I mean, he's he's matching it pretty well
[01:10:36] And I feel like you'd rather have the levels on the tiny more than just the raw net worth in a way
[01:10:42] Like getting to the early Echo Saber is nice, but I feel like having the levels
[01:10:46] Getting to the points where you have tree grab at higher levels and you're working towards the shard is where that here really comes on
[01:10:52] Oh, look at this man
[01:10:53] They tried for the set of that with roof closing the gap
[01:10:56] setting up for the fortunes and a lot of damage happens still the BGM's got to be
[01:11:00] careful he's only got a little bit of mana left he can't get away from this they're
[01:11:04] gonna have him same time down bottom D'ratcho was able to dive in and kill
[01:11:07] collapse but this mid lane I a spirit they're putting all the pressure on to
[01:11:10] BGM yeah this is this is a really good game plan from spirit this is the one
[01:11:14] hero that if you could pick a hero to shut down in this game it's the
[01:11:17] storm for sure this is the last pick storm it's supposed to be the
[01:11:20] playmaker the initiator for tundra the thing that's gonna bring their line
[01:11:23] up together and it's just having the worst game out of everybody.
[01:11:27] This Pango dying, okay you got that kill but it's offline Pango right?
[01:11:31] Like this does not need to have a crazy game here for collapse to find his impact.
[01:11:34] He's just gonna rush the diffusal, be annoying with the mana burns and he will be able to
[01:11:39] contribute to that team fight where this storm is in a little bit of trouble.
[01:11:42] Now he's gonna try and get aggressive BZM, comes back into the respawn, it's towards
[01:11:45] top.
[01:11:46] Can these two take down Radhan?
[01:11:47] Radhan's gonna get back up coming in, Sets is watching from the side, gets the
[01:11:50] the Fissure out, but at the Rodani's living throughout the saw, now that's up the Golem
[01:11:53] onto Walsh Rodan, then Podgegar will be the first to fall, Rodan's going to try and run
[01:11:58] up, I've launched up in a second, but they've got enough control over the Vortex to bring
[01:12:01] him back and take him down, as Tundra at 9 minutes very early on, bringing this amount
[01:12:05] of presence to this top lane to take the Tiny out and take his tower.
[01:12:09] That took so much damage to get the job done, but they already had Golem up,
[01:12:13] that's huge, Whitebond deals second most hero damage in that fight, and it's just
[01:12:18] all Bonds, Golem.
[01:12:19] Even with the fakes, fakes Edik going out on this tiny and the purge, it's still not able
[01:12:23] to save him.
[01:12:24] There's just no turnaround damage here.
[01:12:26] And I mean that is the power of the grimoire.
[01:12:28] Getting the kills bottom, you get the extra XP, you can make a level 9 gameplay with
[01:12:32] Golem Bonza.
[01:12:35] Hero's just nasty in the early game now.
[01:12:37] Some other little wars now.
[01:12:42] I'm redone.
[01:12:43] We'll be a little safer around this tier 2.
[01:12:46] Oh yeah, this PA is definitely going to be an issue.
[01:12:49] This is going to be one of the faster battle periods we'll have this tournament
[01:12:51] for.
[01:12:52] There's a lot of PA battle fury games coming in.
[01:12:57] D'Arccio, look at the collapse, with the rolling thunder up potential, he's gonna be fine.
[01:13:00] They're gonna try and do something about his PA, Lyle, and Miposhka, ready to make the rotation.
[01:13:05] Let's see if they can catch D'Arccio.
[01:13:07] This is a haste through and a moral.
[01:13:09] This is kind of a guaranteed run down situation, as long as you get on top of them.
[01:13:14] Let's have a look towards Whitemon first, so quickly run down the wall up,
[01:13:18] now they wanna try and turn and dive for D'Arccio, they don't.
[01:13:20] They actually just sell for getting the quick kill on white mon and dracha. He's allowed to live
[01:13:25] I took a small camp to not honoring the deal at all here as
[01:13:29] Laura cleans him up gets out of there. It does tank the game. I guess
[01:13:33] That's something
[01:13:36] As BGM just pushing in mid I
[01:13:40] Guess one concern in this game if your spirit is
[01:13:43] Like what is your five on five look like?
[01:13:46] Especially if the pango goes down first you have Oracle weaver supports. It's not a lot of
[01:13:50] 55 control first shaker warlock here, the fish are on towards Ruru will fall
[01:13:58] we'll see Collapse trying to strike back with the rolling thunder, Zach and Tyton
[01:14:02] about the Echo Slam but the range was not there with the aftershock so the
[01:14:05] Echo Slam gets completely with and now Collapse are gonna have a chance to
[01:14:08] chase on potentially more than white ones got the heal out they went up the
[01:14:11] damage to deal with him and 33 still around so Sprit have to be careful how
[01:14:15] they tackle the fight with Abaddon right in front of them they'll start
[01:14:18] to back away and still get the chance to Tundra to push onto this tier one tower.
[01:14:23] Very hard for Spirit to push them off it.
[01:14:26] It's don't have a lot of lane shover AoE.
[01:14:28] There's no Caudalblast here, there's no Darkseer shells.
[01:14:31] Downside of this Weaver Oracle support duo.
[01:14:33] If Tundra just group and start pushing objectives, taking the final fives, it's not that good
[01:14:38] for you until all of your cores can join the fight.
[01:14:40] Until the Tiny's ready, until the Lesh has a bit more tank ability and can frontline.
[01:14:45] That's when that teamfight will come together for Spirit, but right now Tundra dominating
[01:14:48] it and early blademail on 33 he wants to reflect all this Lashrak damage can't
[01:14:53] blame him it's gonna be a nice item in this game now there's your one tower down
[01:14:56] that's all three tier ones dead by 12 minutes here that is a lot of extra team
[01:15:01] gold in the tundra pocket it's beating up this battle fury it's speeding up this
[01:15:06] shaker blink already a thousand gold on Soxa like these towers are counting
[01:15:10] for a lot more. Rue tried to sweep across the walls to top to catch
[01:15:15] Sack's on the retreat, 33's in the back up,
[01:15:18] he's no area of vulnerability for the shaker to get punished.
[01:15:23] Nothing for Don can do about 33 right now.
[01:15:26] Oh, there's nothing you can do about Abidon in this game,
[01:15:29] until you can just out-team fight him.
[01:15:31] Like, you're not killing him on the map.
[01:15:33] You need Silver Edge Tiny to kind of create a threat against him.
[01:15:36] You have no silences, no real orc at Builderds.
[01:15:39] It's a solid Abaddon game, honestly, for it being first pick here.
[01:15:43] I guess you can mana burn him out maybe collapse just has some crazy team fight and gets den
[01:15:49] aggs or something on this pango that's one right you can go but yeah fast battle fury
[01:15:54] for the roccio here has a couple ancient stacks to fall back on it's a very good spot
[01:15:58] yeah this px is going to be huge very very good stuff to our chat and we're done what
[01:16:06] was sort of the point in the tiny build where you start running around the map
[01:16:09] with the team you just get more the echo of the yashro you need the full sm ybkb
[01:16:12] like how far heavy do you go on this hero? I think when you're getting your next item here you can
[01:16:18] start joining fights and feeling good about it but when you're running around the map it's the shadow
[01:16:22] blade attack. There's that 8 times. I have got the set up. The golem's gonna get dropped down
[01:16:31] to try and give a bit of space for BZM to be able to jump out and he can but that choices down
[01:16:35] top of him but the one charges for BZM so plenty of mana to play with he's gonna be
[01:16:40] potentially fine in fact he was thinking about fighting back towards collapse 33 moves in on towards the panga BZM really pushing
[01:16:46] His hero the limit is trying to provide everything you can to allow them to control collapse
[01:16:50] And he does it perfectly BZM could have run he was lawnmanner
[01:16:55] But he knew he had just enough manner and HP to get back in and make sure they could hold collapse back from escaping
[01:17:01] Dratja cleans up the kill he cleans up some ancients
[01:17:03] I mean this PA's game continues to get fueled to a pretty crazy level there already 8k net worth 14 minutes
[01:17:10] Yeah, this is a disgusting pace he's setting and this is gonna let him just play super aggressive into the tiny because he's gonna be ahead
[01:17:17] He's gonna be able to jump the PA on the back lines putting a lot of pressure on team spirit support through it right now
[01:17:23] Like these two supports are squishy. They're they can get bursted super fast as PA
[01:17:27] And honestly golem failed this entire fight out like back in the golem as you're trying to change done this storm
[01:17:33] Just buy so much time for BGM here and this last wash buckle from collapse did a huge amount of damage
[01:17:40] If you if you have one or two more spells are on the storm you clean him clean him out there, but
[01:17:45] They interrupt from white mod on point every time here as now Tundra looking for the tormentor here, and they probably will get it
[01:17:52] I don't like your contestiness of your spirit
[01:17:55] Yeah, yeah, I don't think so right red dan's not quite ready to join the action
[01:18:00] Once to get his next set of items only bruise gonna have bruise
[01:18:04] nice thing about it
[01:18:06] He's a little off timing Laiso. Didn't man up for it.
[01:18:11] That was a little bit scared and understandably so. Tundra, is he able to take the toolmeters team?
[01:18:16] White one to get the shot.
[01:18:18] And blinked on for the shaker.
[01:18:19] Or Radar up top. Pretty close to the tower.
[01:18:22] It's going to get the chance here for Tundra to turn up and try and take him down.
[01:18:25] They get the foretake drag back and the Posca is here to help out.
[01:18:29] The Fisher block from Saksap is going to kind of force Radar down to have to stand his ground.
[01:18:33] The false promise from the Posca has to come into play.
[01:18:35] Wait, BGM's able to zip away, Lyle's trying to move in, time to start to pull back into the tower
[01:18:40] 33's help to kill off Radan, 33's not done yet, the Blade Man indeed
[01:18:44] Causing Lyle to immediately just destroy himself
[01:18:47] And now collapse, there's no saving him either
[01:18:50] I mean, they're bad and they just could not fight around him
[01:18:54] And it's a beautiful block from Saxe, they're coming in with that angle
[01:18:57] Left no chance for Radan to get out, even with the false promise being used by Miposhka
[01:19:02] That fissure was really good. It blocked out the Tiny and it blocked out the Lesh from joining the fight.
[01:19:08] So Laurel gets stuck behind it.
[01:19:10] And it's false promise on Tiny, he's just not what you're looking for.
[01:19:14] You want to use these spells on the Lesh Raks, so Laurel can get in there and fight through the Blade Mail, fight through the Shaker spells.
[01:19:18] Look at Laurel, he's just stuck here. Socks are controlling this fight perfectly with that fissure.
[01:19:23] You can block out the Oracle for a bit, and then you just over commit for this stormy and never even end up getting him.
[01:19:28] That's just not the timing spirit want to take these fights around.
[01:19:32] Like you have to go yasha timing.
[01:19:35] It's just not anything compared to what this warlock shaker are putting out.
[01:19:38] And that was the blink fight for socks as well.
[01:19:41] Didn't even end up getting to use it, but could have done some serious damage there.
[01:19:48] Orc did now done for 33.
[01:19:50] He just fully completes an orc at all that like yeah.
[01:19:54] This is I just don't know how you take the fights are now you have to stall this
[01:19:57] game out of your spirit. You got to play the side lanes, look for some pick offs.
[01:20:01] There's a lot of keyboards that Rue got out, so he's probably going to look for some career
[01:20:04] sniping, slow the game down. But they're already setting up on collapse and orca.
[01:20:09] They are. Let's be in these just straight up. It's a dead pango. 33. A little spooky.
[01:20:17] Well, 205 having a pretty smooth game. And definitely showing at least out of the
[01:20:23] first picks. You know, so far been able to do a whole lot more than
[01:20:25] Rodana is on the tiny but Rodan still needs time right given the chance to the SMY BKB
[01:20:30] But we've seen many a spirit game especially during these playoffs
[01:20:34] Even if they're 10k behind at 17 minutes
[01:20:36] There's always still a chance for spirit because they're outplay it can come regardless of the position they're in
[01:20:42] Oh hundred percent and they will get stronger the more dispels they get here like the more BKBs come out versus Warlock
[01:20:50] relieve some of
[01:20:51] The post goes decision making in terms of who he asked the purge versus the bond, stuff
[01:20:55] like that.
[01:20:56] But right now it's looking like it's all tundra and they're just gonna keep pushing the objectives.
[01:21:01] No reason to slow down in this game.
[01:21:03] Keep taking every fight you can get.
[01:21:05] Even went mage player on the storm.
[01:21:07] Kind of an unconventional storm item especially first.
[01:21:10] But it is nice versus the Lashrak and honestly it's not bad versus Spirit's other two
[01:21:14] cores.
[01:21:15] Like you hit this tiny with mage player it's not insignificant here considering Spirit
[01:21:20] need all the damage they can get.
[01:21:22] You play into a bad and you need 100% of your DPS online.
[01:21:31] This is where I go back to that ATOS on the Lashrak too.
[01:21:34] Like, did this ATOS pay off in this game?
[01:21:36] I, it just does not feel like it did.
[01:21:39] And now it's just kind of a dead item in your inventory.
[01:21:45] Yeah, sort of the kilts that they did get,
[01:21:48] some of them, of course, causing some of the dives
[01:21:50] that they had to then go on for, so.
[01:21:52] And they're being maybe a bit of a double-edged sword
[01:21:54] in some of those situations of how aggressive Lowell wants it to get.
[01:21:58] Sit down, Potter. 33.
[01:22:02] He's gonna look from the posh good.
[01:22:03] They'll get him easily with the grab back from BZM.
[01:22:06] BZM even see if he can get the chase down onto Radan.
[01:22:08] But Radan's already out of there.
[01:22:10] Well, I say that, though. BZM, he's not got much mana left,
[01:22:13] but he has got eyes on Radan.
[01:22:15] He's still gonna try and really poke out, you know,
[01:22:17] aggressive, he's gonna be careful to say he just...
[01:22:20] He's not too... He's not the Aegis, right?
[01:22:22] So he doesn't care if they turn and blow him up and they won't that was probably even a run
[01:22:26] Hoping they would trying to beat him out there. I think so. Yeah
[01:22:29] Spirit will not take the bait
[01:22:31] They run into stocks are here already used avalanche though
[01:22:37] No, they can set up on this
[01:22:39] BGM still got enough manner to close in 33 providing the shield here overall
[01:22:42] He's down on a redone redone's in trouble and not a position really where any help can come in or turn with
[01:22:48] The avalanche for 30 trees ready with the blade mail
[01:22:50] and gem already online white mod just by super early gem they put it on the
[01:22:55] uncilled little baton so they're already de-wording a lot of hogs
[01:22:58] oh yeah it's gonna be fine that they're in reminded the security off I mean this
[01:23:05] gem is a problem for the weaver too like this is a lot of early map control
[01:23:09] tundra are playing for right now if you're gonna find something here
[01:23:14] Bruce, he tried back to the boxer, he missed the bugs and now whoo, time-lapse off just in time!
[01:23:22] Maybe he can live?
[01:23:24] Yeah, he's good. No more man on the storm.
[01:23:26] Oh, we got a courier.
[01:23:28] I mean, he serves some plays, you know? Some space.
[01:23:31] Tank the Echo.
[01:23:33] True.
[01:23:35] Do lose a tier 2 miss.
[01:23:37] They do. The overall pitch is still not looking great for spirit.
[01:23:41] Tundra getting quite a lot here in this opening 20 minutes.
[01:23:44] I think we've seen this before though, you know, I think Spirit are a team that's they're used to playing from behind
[01:23:50] I think Tundra in some ways used to playing ahead from ahead too, so maybe this is good for both teams.
[01:23:56] I really want to die for Saksa, but it is getting risky now.
[01:24:00] I'm root.
[01:24:01] They're hiding the trees.
[01:24:03] Did they see him there?
[01:24:04] They see him.
[01:24:06] He's dead.
[01:24:08] I feel like pros are still figuring out the little tree spots in this patch, you know.
[01:24:12] They like think there's little corners some in some places where there isn't
[01:24:17] And that's another tier two just going down to this bad
[01:24:21] Like no one is stopping 33. Oh, and they're just going in
[01:24:24] look at this
[01:24:25] direction 33 straight into the base look for lal laly
[01:24:28] On top of the poster is
[01:24:31] In the direction turns over towards the postcard
[01:24:33] I'll drop the golem direction falling rather low. We'll get another dagger thrown up from one side
[01:24:37] That's enough damage to pop it lal is gone
[01:24:39] as the damage comes into the end of the first promise, and 33 is ready to dive in even more aggressively, still has the borrow time to rely on.
[01:24:45] He'll get tossed back towards the rest of them, but he's back up to full HP, and still plenty of mana to play with further shields.
[01:24:51] He's not killing as the borrow time comes to an end, and put the flame out, but BZM's ready to give in the backup.
[01:24:56] BZM's sipping in aggressively past the tier 3 tower, collapse.
[01:24:59] We'll get the angle on to more 33 outside the base where the rolling comes into the swashbuckle,
[01:25:03] They'll get one, and they get anything more here, Spirit.
[01:25:06] Rue, trying to chase him, but I'm trying to find some of my Saxo and Rue.
[01:25:10] Tioning with the dagger, Derajo continues to be able to play and dance around the edge of the fight.
[01:25:14] Pick up these kills, maybe even look towards Rue as well.
[01:25:17] Rue's gonna try and Shikuchou to jump forward to wipe him off, but the sentry gets dropped down.
[01:25:20] Gives the vision for Derajo to jump in, finish off another kill.
[01:25:24] The Spirit, they try and deal with just Tundra diving the base.
[01:25:29] And they just can't. They get 33, but they lose a lot of casualties themselves still.
[01:25:33] Tundra they keep getting away with this
[01:25:36] The aggression's paying off here. This is how they like to play with these a bad lineup
[01:25:39] So win the early game and just running people don't have to DPS. They're going straight back in
[01:25:44] Yeah, they're gonna find a poshka great target for our station ever BGM turns intentions immediately towards the Oracle kills my brother off
[01:25:51] Now they can let you try and turn towards law a quick dog
[01:25:53] Oh, but there's the echo from that saxa onto the boat for them
[01:25:56] Saxa will die, but he may have just set up for the cleanup as they can look to try and chase to watch
[01:26:01] He's back at the tier 4, but Doratcha's in, BKB's at the ready, pops in, connects under the tier 4 towers, kills up for Darn, now he's gonna be able to look towards collapse as well, Doratcha kills off the hang-doh, they'll try and turn towards him at 33, he's moved in, he's ready to back him up, the blade mail's out, Lars gonna get back to the fountain, he's destroying himself again on the damage that he's doing to this man's blade mail, as Lyle Wilmax retreats to the fountain, but Doratcha he's just getting away with murder.
[01:26:26] he's almost fountain farming them 20 minutes in this game just completely
[01:26:31] spiraled out of control look at this PA's net worth he's got like 5,000 net worth
[01:26:36] here and they just drop in here as they're bright and sensor as they
[01:26:39] respawn it's over like what is happening there's just no time for spirit to
[01:26:44] regroup in this game just got completely rolled by this a bad line of they
[01:26:49] have double atos but honestly the atos is when you're getting fountain
[01:26:53] They're not doing much for you.
[01:26:55] That's true.
[01:26:56] They're just running in your face, and that was such a clutch timing for Sox on that Echo Slam.
[01:27:01] They have to die back on the Oracle, they finish off Laurel multiple times.
[01:27:05] Lane of Rax down, looking at another lane.
[01:27:08] Someone's gonna do it. They get the opening on to 33.
[01:27:10] Barrow time, still in cooldown for about 10 seconds.
[01:27:12] Visual come out, blocks the rolling turner from connecting again.
[01:27:14] Some nice moves there from Saxon to the loud 33, the chance to get the blink off.
[01:27:17] And in fact, the 33's able to turn, get the silence.
[01:27:19] Will get removed, they're about to dispel from a posh.
[01:27:21] Barbyzian dies to the high ground, get the pull down with the 4 text glimmers there in time.
[01:27:24] Giz collapse another chance to continue retreat.
[01:27:26] They drop the golem, they're not quite able to get the hands on spirit quite yet.
[01:27:29] Radan steps back in with the avalanche toss combo towards D'Raccio.
[01:27:32] A toss as well, but D'Raccio getting healed up by the shadow word.
[01:27:35] And he can have his BKB back up again right now. BKB's ready to go on the P.A. Diraccio.
[01:27:40] He can look to dive them once more. 15 Spirit of the Year. We're done.
[01:27:43] Available as well.
[01:27:44] Let's look at the 33. The dagger's just getting thrown out, keeping Spirit of Bay.
[01:27:48] Whilst Diraccio can continue to focus the objectives and get the second set of racks, Atos is there.
[01:27:54] And they'll be able to push them off a little more, but no, Diraccio, he's ready to jump back in.
[01:27:57] He gets pulled on a bit by 33 and Sacks are looking to go straight on the ones we've done.
[01:28:00] They kill off the Tiny, make the jump towards Miposhka.
[01:28:03] They're both of them gone. LaL will prop the BKB, but they can simply kite it out.
[01:28:08] They did lose their supports, Tundra, but the cause still stands so strong.
[01:28:12] BZM diving up towards the tier fours and the fountain.
[01:28:15] LaL taking out before he can get back. 33 blinks in, they're in on a rule.
[01:28:18] Get the time lapse off. He will live, but it's just him and Collapse left alive.
[01:28:24] Get the roots onto BZM. That's having to be cautious, BZM.
[01:28:28] Still with enough mana to play with that he is under no threat.
[01:28:31] From these two heroes, Tundra, they've managed to force the space to take the second set of
[01:28:35] Barrett 25 minutes in. And it doesn't seem to be too many signs of Spirit being able to stop the
[01:28:41] Tundra show. I mean, the amount of gold they've gotten in the last five minutes here is out of
[01:28:46] this world. This PA is now doubling the Tiny effectively. Full Satanic completed for him.
[01:28:52] The Orchid and the Fissure, plus the Shaker Shard have just prevented
[01:28:56] Maposhka from getting these false promises off, but just still level one.
[01:29:00] It's just nothing's coming up spear here.
[01:29:03] And you look at the hero damage, such a nice split for Tundra.
[01:29:06] Everybody's super involved in these fights, pushing them out of the fountain.
[01:29:10] Radan trying to find some farm, but Saksa had his eyes on Mbizyem in with the backup.
[01:29:16] 33 ready to go as well.
[01:29:18] TPs are coming over.
[01:29:19] Can they bail Radan out of him?
[01:29:20] Maposhka will drop the false promise there on to work the time.
[01:29:24] He's trying to give Redone a little bit of safety, but they're diving and still doing so much damage Redone underneath the tower.
[01:29:29] Double the slam!
[01:29:30] The three-man Echo slam gets the double, they get the clean up as they take a push throughout as well.
[01:29:35] As they'll tap out of this one, Gigi is called.
[01:29:38] We're getting the game five here, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:29:40] Tundra will take game four.
[01:29:42] There's two to two now, Avery.
[01:29:44] I don't know if that's the pace here we're expecting when they came back into the series,
[01:29:48] but it is the one Tundra are setting here, and yeah, weird.
[01:29:51] We will go to a very contested game five, where...
[01:29:53] Spirit are going to have to make some adjustments because they just got rolled something in that 15 to 25 minute mark
[01:30:00] Like we weren't even really stopping for Aegis or anything. We weren't stopping for like the next tormentor
[01:30:05] It was just we're gonna end the game right here right now
[01:30:08] 11 and 0 on this Phantom Assassin and 0 and 6 on this tiny the undefeated tiny that's such a good win rate undefeated
[01:30:16] Demolish they made it look like nothing. I
[01:30:18] I don't know if I'm spirit. I feel like they were not happy with the three four and five in that game
[01:30:24] I don't think that's necessarily a Lashrak tiny problem. I think it's the support duo was
[01:30:29] very
[01:30:30] You know finicky and this off-lane pango like how often do we see collapse play pango in the off-lane?
[01:30:36] I feel like it's just not very often. It's not a super comfort pick for him. And man, this is a bad and just
[01:30:43] 33 is a bad news the best of the world like it's not close
[01:30:46] That's just crazy runs. He just runs people over this hero. He always goes the fast blink. He always picks the right items
[01:30:52] He makes this year look first pick like I was doubting whether bad and was a first pick hero a lot this tournament
[01:30:57] But when I watch this when I was 33 play if I have no doubt you should be first picking this hero because it's just oh
[01:31:03] Yeah, it's crazy what he does on from his position in the amount of net worth he has
[01:31:08] Absolutely, especially doing in a game as we said where other teams and even Tundra themselves right beforehand
[01:31:14] They would not have let this first pick tiny go through to spirit
[01:31:19] But whatever it was they did their homework they did that prep
[01:31:21] They've come up with some good ideas against it
[01:31:23] And maybe a bit of sort of that that idea does also include this this Saxo shaker, right?
[01:31:29] I mean is it it's not something we've been seeing in the position for it turns up today as I said look at his
[01:31:34] Dota by played it twice yesterday
[01:31:36] Won those games was like hey
[01:31:37] I'm ready to take it to the grand finals of dream this season 25 and my goodness did he look good doing it six four and
[01:31:43] and 17 run.
[01:31:45] Anyway, any final words, Avery?
[01:31:47] We're going to head to a short break as we warm up for Game 5.
[01:31:49] What do you want to say about that game?
[01:31:51] I mean, it's more team fight coming out from Tundra.
[01:31:53] I think that's what Spirit have to adjust to in the Game 5.
[01:31:56] Meet them in the head, the 5 on 5 team fight,
[01:31:58] and make sure their supports have some capability there.
[01:32:00] Right? Maybe the Elder Titan, the Shakers, the Dark Seers, stuff like this.
[01:32:04] If we get that in a Game 5, it should be a hype one.
[01:32:07] I am looking forward to seeing who takes this all.
[01:32:10] Absolutely.
[01:32:11] And I'm sure your boys and girls watching at home are as well. So don't go anywhere
[01:32:15] We are gonna have a short break as we get ourselves ready for the final game five here in the dream league season 25
[01:32:22] Grand finals
[01:32:24] Final game here at dream league season 25 game five coming up at the grand finals here today between
[01:43:15] Tundra and team spirit
[01:43:17] Avery I am joined in a fair with the wonderful Avery of course every last game
[01:43:22] It was a rough one but for spirit and honestly rough run that I felt that we expected right
[01:43:27] I feel like we we saw a bit more potential from their draft that actually ended up playing out
[01:43:32] What what why was that was that just all tundra's doing?
[01:43:36] Yeah, I think give majority of credit to the victor there
[01:43:39] I think tundra just outplayed him and a lot of that making I think spirit were unready for the the pace
[01:43:44] That was gonna be set there. They're a little slow to make aggressive moves of their own
[01:43:48] I think the weaver really got slowed down a lot in that early game like Rue went for some of these random plays
[01:43:54] You know career snipe the early lane did not go his way
[01:43:58] And then you join try and join that fight top Warlock beats you there drops the golem kills the tiny like all those
[01:44:04] Little moves from the supports really sped that game up the first blood going to Soxa right little things like that
[01:44:10] the shaker had a way faster game than this weaver and I think that
[01:44:13] But, it slided a lot of that game, honestly, because we were talking a lot about the Abaddon
[01:44:17] and the core interactions and the PA, how fat the PA was, but I think a lot of that came
[01:44:21] down to the fact that the Shaker got ahead of the Weaver, and suddenly you can run around,
[01:44:25] make all these plays, take all these fights, fight the rune stronger, and it's Weaver's
[01:44:29] just behind, and it's not a good support when you're behind in the support vs support
[01:44:33] matchup.
[01:44:34] No, not at all, yeah.
[01:44:36] I mean, to the point after seeing that last game, now that they've shown, you
[01:44:40] Sax is showing what he can bring out on the shaker in that position for in this game
[01:44:44] Is that now just this extra here that you have to really be having at the back of your mind when you're drafting because
[01:44:49] Tundra have shown now that they can do it in multiple roles the shaker
[01:44:53] I mean, maybe it's a hero you think about more in terms of they're gonna flex it around and do those kind of shenanigans
[01:45:00] But I don't think you're banning for shaker. I know it was good
[01:45:04] But it it didn't just 1v5 the game right and it's not that scary of a hero
[01:45:09] It does what it does. It's solid at it. It gives you stuns when you need them, but it's not doing anything crazy broken
[01:45:14] I think spirit are gonna more think about what supports that they want and adjust it from their side more than what tundra's doing
[01:45:22] Well, ladies and gentlemen, you don't have to wait any longer the draft has begun here
[01:45:27] For game five the grand finals here during this season 25 between team spirit and tundra
[01:45:33] eSports, several of what we're getting, straight away, stands out, are getting that Abaddon
[01:45:39] ban from Spirits.
[01:45:41] I was shown the way of Tundra 33s off-lane Abaddon, and indeed the change of this time
[01:45:47] with Tundra, they'll grab it a little bit earlier to make sure they get that guarantee
[01:45:51] chance.
[01:45:52] We did see obviously last game as we were talking about Impact, Whitemon, I mean,
[01:45:56] the lane is obviously fantastic, but then when it comes to the golems, using them
[01:45:59] to just sort of disperse the teamfight and stop Spirit from fighting into them, it worked
[01:46:04] out a crucial moment.
[01:46:06] This Warlock is scary, man.
[01:46:08] This is, I mean, again, the best Warlock player right now, and he gets these early kills,
[01:46:13] you give him Groom War Charges, he's going to make that rotation, he's going to find
[01:46:17] the gold drop early and shut you down.
[01:46:19] But the trade off is an Ember here, which very nice response because Warlock doesn't
[01:46:24] give you any lockdown versus guy, really bad matchup for the Warlock.
[01:46:28] a hero that's really hard to burst, not that great of a bonds target because sometimes he just plays on his own in the back side of fights, hard hero to catch on the map.
[01:46:37] Also, a hero that can play really fast. I think that's the important part here for Team Spirit.
[01:46:41] It's a hero that gives them some teamfight and the ability to skirmish the runes, skirmish the wisdom shrines, abuse the power runes, fight early support rotations.
[01:46:50] This is a nice pick up for them in this matchup overall.
[01:46:53] overall. So I still like spirits opener here. I liked it last game. Maybe looking back, we
[01:46:58] overrated the tiny a little bit because you know, 33 Abaddon is, as we saw something else.
[01:47:04] But I think this one, I still kind of like it draft wise. Um, and they banned the Abaddon.
[01:47:10] So you're not going to have that card up your sleeve here going into phase two.
[01:47:15] Sure. So I feel that the struggle is though, obviously 33, whilst, you know, as Abaddon's
[01:47:20] amazing he's got he's got quite the repertoire of heroes that he'll be very
[01:47:25] comfortable on bringing out and destroying a game on so I feel like it
[01:47:30] always feels kind of tough to sort of target him with the bands because of his
[01:47:34] flexibility in hero pool but yeah still understandable why he after that last
[01:47:38] game in particular you're just like the abaddon we don't want to deal with
[01:47:41] that
[01:47:44] Tundra is there gonna be anything from that last game that Spirit did that
[01:47:48] Tundra taking out what you think Tundra like you can have any of those heroes I
[01:47:52] Don't think they cared generally no the time the tiny still in the pool by the way
[01:47:58] Yeah, we just they just don't care I
[01:48:02] I could see spear pick it up
[01:48:03] But I don't know if they're gonna prioritize it super highly here at the same time
[01:48:06] Do you want to give it away to Tundra?
[01:48:08] I think Tundra will take it like warlock tiny's no joke another really strong lane
[01:48:12] Super strong in the game still you should not underrate this hero
[01:48:15] even if it's slipping through here and tundra are kind of tempting you to take it
[01:48:19] I could also see spear just take it out of phase here
[01:48:24] The other hero that comes to mind and we're talking to off laners for 33 right? What's he gonna play here? There's no
[01:48:30] a badden
[01:48:31] I could see the sand king or the doom come out versus ember like get some hard lockdown in that off lane
[01:48:37] And just make his life miserable as this game goes later and later
[01:48:41] And they're kind of nice pairings with the warlock again helps your team fight helps you scale
[01:48:45] There's also this darks here in the pool that we saw go up in priority, I think, over the series.
[01:48:49] So, should keep that here on mind for both teams, honestly.
[01:48:52] As we go later in this pick phase.
[01:48:54] Absolutely. I mean, yeah. This band, the PA, no surprise there.
[01:49:00] Especially when you see the Warlock great years later.
[01:49:02] This PA Warlock lane, as you say, that we've seen so much success with and Tundra themselves.
[01:49:07] One of the first to really just do it again and again and again.
[01:49:10] You just can't let that happen. Not in a game five.
[01:49:12] Game five especially when it just happened in a game for and and Doratio had a flawless game on it
[01:49:23] Bounty hunter, okay, I expected the bounty to come out last game saying it's a nice support pairing with the warlock
[01:49:29] But now we see it the other way around which is it's also a good hero against warlock as you can harass him lane-wise and
[01:49:35] Make his life kind of miserable. He's never gonna get pulls off you scout him out in fights
[01:49:40] So again, it's much faster lineup from spirit already
[01:49:43] But the team fight man the team fight from tundra just keeps on rolling here back to that shaker
[01:49:47] Maybe support shaker again get this warlock shaker support duo shove it back into spirits face
[01:49:54] And now you're taking advantage of the bounty hunter's weakness, which is the five on five
[01:49:57] Like spirit really need to think about how they're actually winning fights in this game
[01:50:03] Or if their plan is to just try and roll the lanes, but generally they're not a team that does that
[01:50:08] They're not a team that completely rolls people over in the lanes and beats him at 20 minutes
[01:50:12] They're a team that out fights you out scales you and they're right now
[01:50:15] They're just getting out picked in that department. You have an invoker to deal with on top of all this
[01:50:19] He's a hero you can gank and play fast
[01:50:22] Around in terms of abusing it taking its tower
[01:50:25] But you have to be on point to do that and you'd have to pick for it here
[01:50:28] You have to like all in with enchantress or something
[01:50:31] From a poshka, which isn't chances really good. It's just that you are you're giving up the team fight entirely, right?
[01:50:37] You're saying we're just gonna play super fast gank invoker
[01:50:39] 3v1 mid, your supports are too slow to deal with it. It is a viable route here for sure.
[01:50:45] There's not a lot on Tundra that deals with it, but it's an all-in-play in a game 5 in the finals,
[01:50:50] you know? Are they that bold or do they want to go that route?
[01:50:53] Yeah, they do still have the opportunity to do that, so they're going to get the jukiro.
[01:51:00] Obviously a very popular support that we're seeing a lot of in this current patch.
[01:51:04] You can still fulfill some of those things. This is still an early game powerhouse,
[01:51:09] But now you have a little more team fight to fall back on this ice path
[01:51:13] I think is also really annoying for shaker to fight into can be a tough spell to jump and
[01:51:17] Jumping jikiro itself is not always that easy
[01:51:20] So it's just a solid pick nice combination with the chains as well. You drop the chains you drop track you ice path macro
[01:51:27] Some dude. He's probably dead with the extra damage in
[01:51:32] a little light on team play
[01:51:34] True there's still got a bit of a hole to patch up there
[01:51:37] I mean in terms of the the bands last time you know the opening four bands from spirit
[01:51:42] It's just the change up right instead of banning the BGM evoked they banned the 33 abandoned
[01:51:47] Obviously means they have to now deal with the BGM and vote at this game. They're gonna go with the Mars this hero
[01:51:52] Nothing doing too hot. Are you okay with them going for this here? I?
[01:51:56] Mean it is collapse Mars, so it's pretty hard to argue against it
[01:51:59] It's one of them. It's a really good catch here when it gives you that teamfight you were lacking
[01:52:04] So I understand the pick here. I think it makes a lot of sense, but it's not the scariest hero in the meta
[01:52:09] I don't think you see Mars and you're shaking in your boots, you know
[01:52:12] this isn't of all the offlaners in the meta the
[01:52:15] The Abaddon's the night stalker the Magnus is and then you give the tiny the hero that just slips through entirely here
[01:52:22] And this is not an isolated tiny. This is a warlock tiny lane
[01:52:26] He's gonna have sustained he has bonds to put damage into and he's gonna potentially have a Lackardy really later on
[01:52:31] like I don't know this is scary dude I think spirit really need a good early
[01:52:38] game on paper here they need to play the lanes really well and they need to get a
[01:52:41] little bit ahead not crazy ahead but enough that they can you know play
[01:52:46] fast and get some track kills going cuz if you just let tundra sit here and
[01:52:50] farm it looks absolutely terrifying I mean tundra at least have shown that
[01:52:57] the tiny can be beat as they're coming into this series spirit in the last
[01:53:00] month they never lost with Tiny, Tundra just now in that game 4 able to take a
[01:53:04] game against Rodan's Tiny and also in the last month Tundra have never lost
[01:53:09] with Tiny so, can't spare it, what Tundra just did to them. Yeah that's a big
[01:53:15] question and I mean what is the carry hero for Rodan to do that? That's gonna
[01:53:19] be the big question here because I think that Ursa was getting banned 100%
[01:53:21] and you kind of had to know that if you're spirit like if we pick Mars and
[01:53:26] there's a decent chance they take the Tiny they have two bands left one of
[01:53:29] is going to be Ursa. Slark is already out, which I think was another one maybe Radon would
[01:53:33] have gone to. We can play Drow vs. this hero in the past, but the way it works now with
[01:53:40] Shadowblade and all the armor and stuff, it's not that great a matchup. This isn't
[01:53:44] like the jumping tiny. So I don't really know what Radon wants here. That's where I
[01:53:48] go back to the Bloodseeker, man.
[01:53:49] Yeah, like your Bloodseeker.
[01:53:51] I mean, it is a good matchup. He's good enough with their lineup. Do they have
[01:53:57] enough overall scale and stuff to be confident picking here right that's my
[01:54:03] question there's also specter well I don't people forget about but is nice
[01:54:09] person boker in warlock here it's like a backline jumper it gives you some
[01:54:13] scaling team fight and it is a radon classic what about time zone bring in
[01:54:21] the void carry this this is that too wild you guys down this like let's
[01:54:26] He suspects a lot of it
[01:54:28] It's an interesting pick you want some scaling in some team fight
[01:54:32] You got the time zone with the arena combo they can't get out of it. Yeah, I don't hate it
[01:54:37] But more for the time. Yeah, it's a really good time dilation game like this time dilation ruins invoker ruin
[01:54:43] I'm thinking yeah that bad against tiny but the risk is a great void
[01:54:48] Yeah, he does but you're up against a lot of burst here, right?
[01:54:51] Like you get caught by you you have to get through that
[01:54:54] Yeah, indeed. You have to get through that place in the game where you're vulnerable to being 100 to 0.
[01:54:57] Once you get through that as the void in a game like this, then you have a game.
[01:55:01] I don't mind it, dude. I actually don't mind it here. They have some jacquero synergy.
[01:55:05] The core synergy is the kind of bad part, but if you go for the time zone,
[01:55:09] then it actually works. I can see it, dude. It's not out of the question here.
[01:55:15] That said, a lot will also come down to what 33 wins to play here, because if he picks an offlaner,
[01:55:19] that's just really fast, that void goes out of the playnory.
[01:55:22] Yeah, if you pick like this here or something which I yeah, he could visit she can say a king he can still do
[01:55:29] Like there's a lot of scary picks. There's still the Beast master
[01:55:33] There's so many off-leaders left in the pool. He seems beast does seem pretty nice and all of them looks super good here
[01:55:39] I yeah, he's got a fast pace or a buyers. I don't know. This is a
[01:55:44] This is a tough position to be in if your spirit
[01:55:47] Yeah, that's a piece right up. Yeah, I think this was the most all looking one
[01:55:51] Like you get beached warlocks energy you can get extra attack speed for tiny you get an expert Roche objective taker another stack clear
[01:55:58] This lineup is just
[01:56:00] Like look at these five heroes Owen and tell me it's scary
[01:56:04] Like what is it not have right? It's everything
[01:56:09] You know you he would have gone void, but now the beast is there's no way you know the void
[01:56:14] You can't do the void anymore. Oh my god
[01:56:17] It's only turned up once and it won lost game. Yeah lost one game lost one game and it did not go well
[01:56:27] It did not go dude. It was not coming out though
[01:56:32] They're confident and I this this could be our
[01:56:35] Winning with the hero. Nobody is one with this hero not even themselves. I was only tried the ones by themselves
[01:56:41] Well, that's it. I think this
[01:56:42] This has to be a fast game from spirit like there's no doubt about it
[01:56:46] They have to run around the map getting kills with the double invis right the
[01:56:50] The clink's running around getting track kills in combination with the bounty hunter
[01:56:54] The lane has to go well here like I do not want to see 33 feet free for any bottom versus last pick clinks
[01:56:59] It's supposedly a good match up versus beast because you eliminate him being able to summon bores on the lane and just run at you
[01:57:06] It is an early maelstrom buyer
[01:57:08] But you don't have the glatner build up which I think hurt this hero a lot because I think glatner made clinks in a way
[01:57:14] You click your people in what?
[01:57:16] He went me only your last time, but it just wasn't impressive people were just kind of running out of the arrows and it was like yeah
[01:57:22] He scales well, but you're not winning the scale anyway here. So it doesn't really matter. I think this is a
[01:57:30] Very tough-looking game for spirit on paper. Oh
[01:57:33] They the one thing I think they can do is they can run it mid
[01:57:38] If they bring their supports to mid and they just kill BZM over and over and snowball this ember
[01:57:44] I think that's their path to victory
[01:57:46] I think that is the strongest advantage they have between these two different lineups is the supports on tundra are really slow
[01:57:51] They're really bad at rotating to mid early and the bounty jikiro outmatched them there
[01:57:55] And the ember can take that early fight to invoke her really well with the slight chains
[01:57:59] It gives you the reach in the catch
[01:58:01] So that is I think something that has to happen in this game for spirit to feel good
[01:58:06] I'm going to go back to the
[01:58:11] last one. Let's see. It's going
[01:58:13] to be an exciting one here.
[01:58:15] Ladies and gentlemen to see if
[01:58:17] team spirit can pull this off
[01:58:19] with the last pick. Radan
[01:58:21] clink. Tundra. It does feel
[01:58:23] like they've got sort of like an
[01:58:25] all stars lineup with their
[01:58:27] hero picks, especially after
[01:58:29] what sax was able to show us
[01:58:31] with his position for shaker,
[01:58:33] bringing that back, as I say,
[01:58:35] the first time in competitive
[01:58:37] He did it last game. He's feeling pretty hot. He won two games last night
[01:58:40] He's continuing this Earthshaker win streak going into this game five of the Grand Finals and spirit yet
[01:58:44] Just trying something a little bit different something they have tried before didn't succeed with
[01:58:48] But maybe they'll be able to make the clink's work now where it counts the most here in this game five
[01:58:55] It's a tall task ahead of them. I mean you're talking about signature heroes here for tundra Lee
[01:59:00] I feel like they have
[01:59:02] Four of arguably the best player hero combinations on these heroes in the patch
[01:59:07] It's gonna be close to that. Yeah, it's the only one that maybe stands out is that shaker for socks
[01:59:12] But like you said, he's feeling it. So I don't know if it's broken or not
[01:59:18] Spirit have to get some work done in the slaying phase. I think that the run at the invoker and it clinked, you know
[01:59:24] You gotta if you believe in it if we're done believes in it
[01:59:27] He sees something in this hero other people don't now's the time to show us what it is because
[01:59:32] This is the last game of your Dream League season.
[01:59:34] There ain't gonna be another one.
[01:59:38] Let's see. I mean, how is the lane on paper?
[01:59:42] Is it okay lane? It's a good lane.
[01:59:44] Yeah, it's good for the Klinks.
[01:59:46] The Klinks to Kiro should win this lane. It's a double melee off lane.
[01:59:49] You can abuse it pretty hard.
[01:59:51] The beast will get stick charges, but he can't play too aggressive versus you.
[01:59:56] The thing is, it's just what do you do with the lane win on the Klinks?
[02:00:00] This isn't a hero we've seen them rotate super early with.
[02:00:03] Radon's kind of just farmed with it, so I don't know if winning this lane helps the game, unless Radon
[02:00:09] plays a lot more active than he did in that other Clink's game, which definitely can happen.
[02:00:14] I just didn't see it in that previous one. And they do get three runes. That's a good way to start
[02:00:20] out this game with the lineup they have. Extra gold means so much here. And in terms of the
[02:00:30] top lane, what do you expect out of this? Because you have Warlock, Tiny. That seems pretty
[02:00:34] safe right there this should not be laying where Draccio's dying.
[02:00:39] No, I think Warlock almost guarantees anybody free farms in this patch.
[02:00:43] It's like it's just so much heal slash damage to fight through.
[02:00:47] Tiny is one of the higher base damage heroes so he'll just sit there CS.
[02:00:51] Whitemon can die however.
[02:00:55] So let's get the heal going and why am I ready to try and look to turn
[02:00:58] towards Rue to help with Draccio. Rue has to back off.
[02:01:01] I mean these early waves mean a lot for Spirit. They mean a lot more for Spirit than for Tundra, I think.
[02:01:09] If they can win the early regen trades on these sidelines and on mid and kind of snowball off that a little bit, it'll account for a lot here.
[02:01:17] So you have to play these waves well. They already got the equilibrium back top, so honestly not a bad place to be there.
[02:01:22] And Laurel is winning the early CS battle, which is step one versus Invoker, because you've got to take advantage of his low base damage at the start.
[02:01:29] It ramps up pretty quick. I mean people meme about it, you know, like, oh 46 base damage, but by level 4 or 5
[02:01:35] You're already out base damaging most mids
[02:01:37] So if you don't win the early waves, it it doesn't really mean anything in terms of an advantage
[02:01:41] So you got to put the work in now and Laurel, he's doing a decent job of that and
[02:01:46] Same with the safe lane
[02:01:48] Like you want to get a level advantage with this cling first of the beast
[02:01:51] We already see Socks are giving a lot of solo XP to 33. I
[02:01:55] I would not chase this shaker too much down here
[02:01:59] I would not get distracted I would pour all of my DPS and focus in this beast master and not care what socks is doing
[02:02:05] Because your objective in this lane should be to shut down the beast master and
[02:02:09] If socks that distracts you and 33 gets away with the lane then you're gonna be really sad come that mid game
[02:02:15] Now we're done taking a bit of a punch here. He's setting up the Miposhka to try and get a wrap around
[02:02:22] We'll be able to snipe the Korya Miposhka
[02:02:24] Is he trapped
[02:02:34] He just got stuck in the trees
[02:02:42] He was just stuck yeah, no mana for actually no quelling no tangos
[02:02:47] He just ran into a corner and creep trapped himself just died
[02:02:50] That's like
[02:02:52] That might be the worst thing I've ever seen 33 do.
[02:02:57] He's never going to go anywhere near that point again.
[02:03:00] I mean, maybe just a map mystery like where the exit ways are. Didn't realize he had no mana left.
[02:03:06] That's incredibly awkward. He's like the archetype of this cerebral player, you know?
[02:03:12] Like thinks everything out, all these theory crafts. He just traps himself.
[02:03:17] Bizarre.
[02:03:19] That's one way to win a lane, you know, just yeah
[02:03:26] Oh top Sun strike. Oh, nice dodge
[02:03:32] Super nice dodge the tree
[02:03:35] Root really get this finish this and shadow where the hills come out from why my maybe why Mono they've got spear
[02:03:43] Nearly getting the angle to dragon back at the tree it turns with director huge back up
[02:03:47] They're actually able to still finish the tiny kill.
[02:03:49] He was 4 mana short of that level 2 avalanche.
[02:03:52] They would've killed maybe both of them there.
[02:03:54] Let me wipe on the edge.
[02:03:56] Slight change setup, Maposhka comes in with a wraparound, offers up that extra bit of damage for them to take down BZM.
[02:04:02] Four minutes in, they're getting these early kills, they're getting that early lead that they needed, Avery.
[02:04:06] Yeah, this is exactly what you want to see.
[02:04:09] That Maposhka gank is huge. We see the tip come out.
[02:04:12] That's a game winning gank, potentially.
[02:04:14] We need these early kills against Invoker, and look at the mid CS on 22 and 12.
[02:04:20] This is what you can do versus Hero.
[02:04:22] We haven't seen it in a lot of the other games, BZN played this hero.
[02:04:25] He got away with this.
[02:04:26] He got strong Sunstrike kills.
[02:04:28] The Dodge top, the gank mid, the CS performance from Laurel.
[02:04:32] They're hitting like everything to shut this Invoker down, and they're going to
[02:04:34] try it again.
[02:04:37] Saxa is going to head over to make sure that BZN doesn't get dove this time.
[02:04:43] still a lot of pressure on this mid lane. It's opening up the bottom lane for Radon and they're just
[02:04:48] going back in. Is he dead? Is he dead? Yes, Axe can't save him on that thing. They just don't care about him.
[02:04:58] As his Invoker's gonna get taken down. And Axe also gonna fall with Rotating Over. They're gonna
[02:05:03] get both of them. This is what I was saying in the draft though, and like this is the
[02:05:08] The attack point for Spirit, there's nothing Tundra can do to fight in this mid lane and
[02:05:12] they're getting dragged into it.
[02:05:14] I think you kind of just had to sack it in a way because if you bring your supports here,
[02:05:18] you're not fighting J'Kuro Bounty Ember with Shaker, Invoker, like what spells do you
[02:05:24] have?
[02:05:25] You have a level 1 Bonds, a level 1 Fissure, there's just nothing here.
[02:05:28] They're falling into the trap right now and Spirit, they're blowing this game
[02:05:32] open with the biggest opening they had.
[02:05:35] already level 6. This is a huge advantage on the map. In careers too. Yep, we're able to take that out up top as he reaches
[02:05:46] around behind the tower. Oh yeah, it's gonna be a tough one. Like where does BGM sort of go to catch back up here as this level 4 invoker?
[02:05:53] I mean, nowhere. He has to get Sunstrike kills, but because you're losing the other lanes, you're not playing aggressive on them, you're not setting that up. 33 is already in the jungle.
[02:06:02] No one can lane mid right now. They're zoning them off of XP, losing entire waves here.
[02:06:09] He's gonna go bottom, I guess. This is janky.
[02:06:14] Alright, Saksa. He has to be trying to step up to get some XP in this mid lane, but you're absolutely right. No one can come in.
[02:06:20] This is not a spot on the map that Tundra can show their faces.
[02:06:24] This tower's just gone too. Orbic, Corrosion, Ember with Catapult still alive.
[02:06:28] this is exactly what you wanted out of this game if your spirit you you drafted
[02:06:33] for it you were in a corner but you gave yourself out and you're playing towards
[02:06:36] those outs right now and tundra they have all this teamfight they have all
[02:06:40] the scale they might not get there and look at this spirit they're looking
[02:06:46] towards bzm on this bottom lane and they've got another spirit they get the
[02:06:52] chain set upon towards him they're gonna need to bring in more tundra if they
[02:06:55] want to try and keep these guys alive but he's just gonna go straight up
[02:06:57] down should the Shadow Word heal coming in. It's not going to save and the Shurikens there
[02:07:01] to finish him off. They will have to roll ready from 33 to set up on towards Lile and also have
[02:07:05] to chase down for Bruce. So Tundra will manage to get some kills and return this time round,
[02:07:10] but BZM just continues to suffer. That's a big kill for Tundra though. They take Ember off
[02:07:16] the map. That is not a hero Tund Spirit wanted to give up in this early game. They do get the
[02:07:20] wisdom shrine with the clink. Well that fight was happening, so Radon sneaks in there at
[02:07:26] At least find something, but he didn't join the fight, which I think this is a fight he could have joined if Spirit played it a little slower.
[02:07:33] I don't know, that feels like a win for Tundra.
[02:07:35] Like, the fact you're able to roar, chain stun this Ember down, who's supposed to be unkillable in this early game,
[02:07:40] at the expense of an invoker who's already really far behind.
[02:07:44] I don't know what Mastermind Radon's doing there, but...
[02:07:49] He got the Wisdom Shrine, I guess that was the Wisdom Shrine uploading in real time, you know?
[02:07:56] Coming up to level 7 on the clinkz.
[02:07:57] Let's see down bottom route and Maposhka. They're ready to go again.
[02:08:00] Ice Park said I'm on a sax as Radar brings in the damage to Shaker Falls.
[02:08:04] Maposhka, killing spree here.
[02:08:06] Three, zero, four, seven of the eight kills.
[02:08:08] He's been there on this early game as the jikiro.
[02:08:11] He's making the moves.
[02:08:13] Oh, yeah, he's locked in this game.
[02:08:15] He they felt the support pressure last game.
[02:08:17] up oh she was like no no no I'm a 2-time T our winner for reason I'll show you how
[02:08:22] it's done and they're looking at the easy amp lighting them up you still hasn't
[02:08:26] been put I just got to stay hidden under this here to few steps of strays away
[02:08:35] from this tower they will go for him they're gonna start rotating up
[02:08:38] towards the top lane now with the smoke between the three of them L'Alru and
[02:08:41] the posh cat so they can find that nicely and a roce to when you
[02:08:46] already have arena available.
[02:08:49] Alright they've got the combo.
[02:08:51] Tundra they do have six on white one so he will have the golem to drop if they feel there's a chance to fight back.
[02:08:56] It's gonna be hard though because D'Raccio gets caught, the arena is down, they'll immediately try and blow up the tiny
[02:09:02] and they'll succeed in that. Tundra comes out, gets collapsed in return.
[02:09:06] So Tundra they'll be able to find a trade, collapse here, full link, and the efforts to take down D'Raccio.
[02:09:12] They didn't get anything more here. They're looking towards Miposhka.
[02:09:16] They're doing a fissure again.
[02:09:18] They cut off the escape.
[02:09:19] Can't get around it, but he'll try and throw down what damage he can.
[02:09:23] And will not leave them. Miposhka also to fall. Lyle?
[02:09:26] He's thinking about getting back in on this.
[02:09:28] Is he with the slight change on the both of them?
[02:09:30] Radhan comes through the Twin Gate in perfect position to lay down the damage.
[02:09:33] Rude pokes him from the low ground.
[02:09:35] They get the double kill for Radhan.
[02:09:36] Saksa will manage to find the kill with a fissure.
[02:09:38] Some strength is going to get done by the slight up fist from Lyle and Radan just continues this clean up
[02:09:43] Triple kill for him change to hold on to D'Raccio the spearfist that just locks down the tiny
[02:09:47] They'll be able to clean up D'Raccio as well as Radan
[02:09:52] Turning up there from the other side of the map at that beautiful time
[02:09:55] 3-0-3 now that is the dream sort of involvement you want early game for your clings a hundred percent
[02:10:01] This is what we didn't see in that other clings game. He this is a hero that can't fight early
[02:10:05] It doesn't need much. It does a decent amount of damage.
[02:10:08] It just lines them up.
[02:10:09] The only downside for Spirit here is the bounty went down to that Fidget,
[02:10:12] because otherwise you're getting tracks here on top of it all, as Six was available for Rue.
[02:10:17] Another massive Sunstrike dodge.
[02:10:19] Every time you can avoid giving Invoker these kills, that's BGM's recovery.
[02:10:23] And it's out the window now.
[02:10:26] Mastermind Radon, he sees everything.
[02:10:29] I said we saved that way.
[02:10:30] It will get us out if you're one.
[02:10:35] I don't know, this is...
[02:10:36] One more money.
[02:10:36] This is sometimes the hole you fall into with this four shaker.
[02:10:40] Like we were talking about is Soxa feeling it?
[02:10:42] What's the upsides and downsides of the hero on this roll?
[02:10:44] These early games can be rough because your spells are just not as strong and
[02:10:48] you don't farm that fast in the jungle or whatever without points into the
[02:10:53] aftershocks. So, Soxa is just kind of dead weight.
[02:10:56] On top, Thraciou calling the arena there.
[02:11:00] A little off the mark there with the spear from collapse, but it doesn't matter.
[02:11:04] They're far enough ahead that not everything has to hit to get the job done right now team spirit continue
[02:11:09] That's momentum
[02:11:11] You know last game tundra had three tier ones down by 12 minutes spirit have three tier ones down by 11 minutes here
[02:11:17] They are outpacing this thomp that was game one right now
[02:11:23] I've spoken of them under the tower
[02:11:25] There's nothing that could be done to save one another sax is just dead
[02:11:29] It's a track kill
[02:11:31] His goalie is gonna just jacquero's ahead of the tiny
[02:11:35] Yup.
[02:11:36] Is this Hero just garbage?
[02:11:38] I mean, that's a bit too up until today as I said in the last month, neither Tundra or
[02:11:44] Spirit had lost a single game with this Tiny, but here in the Grand Finals, Game 4, Spirit
[02:11:50] struggled with it, and now Tundra's feeling the struggle with Tiny.
[02:11:53] What's going on?
[02:11:54] It's cursed.
[02:11:55] It's cursed Hero or something, dude.
[02:11:56] He's behind the enemy 5.
[02:11:58] When have we ever seen this?
[02:11:59] I don't know, crazy turn of events here.
[02:12:05] And Spirit are now the ones looking to maybe just completely roll this game over
[02:12:13] No, but where's what's sort of the plan for Tundra?
[02:12:16] Well, what are they looking towards any sort of item timing or now?
[02:12:19] When can they try and smoke up try and take a sort of a punch back at spirit?
[02:12:23] I think you're just looking for Beastmaster to get involved right get the ax on 33 let him join the fight
[02:12:32] You're not gonna get shaker blink off the map. He can only get it through the team fights
[02:12:36] and
[02:12:37] Maybe some Sunstrike kills
[02:12:39] which is dependent on the roar and if you have to throw it out on the fence
[02:12:43] Lee I mean they're gonna look to chase sure it come about he's there he's gone
[02:12:50] another one worst case very worst case scenario you're giving track kills and
[02:12:55] you were defensively the founder at you it's macro is down it's a very good
[02:13:01] tiny once again it's just crumbling they can't stay on the map they have no
[02:13:08] fight this jacurus ahead of the invoker now he's only gonna be ahead of all of them
[02:13:12] like it's in the poshka he is almost ahead of all of them he's got 2,200
[02:13:19] gold screw the four-star treats out to a Midas that by daggin at this point just
[02:13:23] started some kids out here you know I'm not even meaning like you get
[02:13:28] I mean, when was the last time, if indeed this continues he's able to have more net worth
[02:13:43] than the rest of the entirety of Tundra.
[02:13:46] I don't think Tundra will have ever been in that sort of situation right.
[02:13:49] And he gave 13 minutes in, that it'll never happen.
[02:13:53] I mean that might be one of the earliest ever in the history of Dota if it happens.
[02:13:57] I cannot remember a game where five was ahead of everybody before the 15-minute mark
[02:14:03] That's just so much map domination
[02:14:07] I mean they're abusing though the one weakness in this tundra lineup, which is the pacing the tempo
[02:14:12] They just don't have a lot of early game. They couldn't defend this invoker on mid with the support duo
[02:14:16] They got too greedy on they got too greedy and they're getting punished for it
[02:14:21] Amp damage on Laurel too now. That is a really good room to get
[02:14:28] The mage slayer almost done. I mean, he is just gonna be a beast with this mage slayer too.
[02:14:35] That's the other issue. The mage slayer ember in this game?
[02:14:38] First tiny beast master invoker double spell caster in support duo?
[02:14:42] It's the dream.
[02:14:45] Yeah, smoke's on.
[02:14:50] The spirit.
[02:14:51] They got their eyes on Dorachia.
[02:14:53] Now he's gone.
[02:14:54] They get the blink and collapse, so they've got the set up.
[02:14:57] And there it is. They don't even need the arena.
[02:15:00] Just a spear pushback, it's enough for them to catch and kill off Dorachia once again.
[02:15:04] another track kill that's like that's a 800 gold swing one kill it's all it
[02:15:13] takes looking for the jikiro domination dreams here and tormentor is warded up
[02:15:20] from tundra I mean this is the kind of fight that they can make a comeback on
[02:15:26] these objective fights where they get spirit to clump for the aoe
[02:15:30] lol amplified damage rune as you say it's popped I'm ready to go look at the
[02:15:35] Sunstrike set up to drop the Echo to be able to kill off Rue, but can they really get anything else collapsed?
[02:15:40] Already starting to tease around with 30, she gets to push back with a spear into the arena.
[02:15:43] The damage flies in from Radan, and now at the side wall they TP out to them just in time.
[02:15:48] They're lucky to get away before the change was back up.
[02:15:51] Exile with Meta.
[02:15:53] Yeah, and they can clean up the Golem, turn towards the Tormentor, and just keep the snowball going.
[02:15:59] I should not have fight Tundra can win into the Amp damage Mage Slayer ever.
[02:16:03] Like Laurel's just a god that fight and there it is. He gets this dude. He got the blessing
[02:16:08] So look at look at his net worth there is 16 minutes in he's a monster entirety of tundra
[02:16:14] Behind the net worth of Miposhka. I never happened. That is insane. Yeah, that is the ground finals
[02:16:21] That's just disgusting like I
[02:16:24] Mean this guy is he's one of he is maybe the greatest five all time, right? So I mean look at that. Yeah
[02:16:29] You think he knows you think he can feel like how far like relatively committed to combat the entire to the team
[02:16:37] I don't think he thinks he's ahead of everybody because you just don't you're like a force
[02:16:42] Yeah, yeah, he's looking at this beast. He's like all this beast has a ag step there like you probably having a pretty good game
[02:16:48] You know he's recovering but like no you're the final box Mofushka
[02:16:53] He's almost 10 to some decent levels
[02:17:00] Going spirits way in this game as well
[02:17:02] I mean the map is theirs. This game is still winnable for Tundra. Like we should not count them out because
[02:17:09] They have suffered so far, but their lineup does scale incredibly hard and they have a lot of flash farmers that can come back in this game
[02:17:15] They have a lot of teamfight that they can wombo combo
[02:17:19] To come back off spells even if you're behind in gold
[02:17:21] So there's still an onus on spirit here to continue playing the map continue getting pick offs and not become complacent
[02:17:28] It's not like they have massive oras or anything being built right so you can't just fall back on like oh
[02:17:34] We're gonna have pipe briefs here, and then the 5v5 becomes easy
[02:17:40] It's over dawn
[02:17:43] I'm a BZM bringing them really ready with the track
[02:17:47] They're gonna have it to get the setup up on the cliff no way to run. That's a cheeky one that from collapse
[02:17:54] That's a BM cliff right there a BZM click
[02:17:58] That's very true in an easy track. I mean this bounty hunter and Voker matchups are really nice for bounty
[02:18:05] Just no ghost walk options available in socks. He's a hundred off blink
[02:18:10] And then look for a three-off blink. He's so close
[02:18:13] He's gonna always got it off. He's got enough, but he didn't
[02:18:17] He had enough he's still gonna get it by the time he spawned
[02:18:19] But he did lose out a little more than he needed to that. I think someone got a but I know what
[02:18:23] Why did his money go up some of the bounce here with the creep side?
[02:18:25] He had enough.
[02:18:26] Anyway, back in action.
[02:18:27] They get the track here on the Walls 33.
[02:18:29] Radhan's in position to get him in the damage.
[02:18:31] It's just more track kills.
[02:18:32] They continue.
[02:18:33] Wipe on Trash with the TP out, but collapse.
[02:18:34] He's got the spear to stop in.
[02:18:37] More money, more glory here for Radhan.
[02:18:40] It just continues.
[02:18:43] Spirit just finding the pick offs and this is what they need to keep doing.
[02:18:46] And they're getting it.
[02:18:48] They can easily go for Roche too in this game if they want to slow it down.
[02:18:51] I don't think they're gonna Roche because I think they're just getting more out of the map than what Roche is worth
[02:18:55] Yeah vessel on the bounty you're getting vessel charges BKB is already done for the Mars by the way
[02:19:00] Which is that's a backbreaker here for Tundra like he is just immortal in the fights with that
[02:19:07] And they're scouting out the Rothschild they're looking for more they are
[02:19:10] Rue he's managed to be able to scout out quite a bit of action this game
[02:19:15] I mean they can dive 100% they can dive with Mage Slayer plus BKB already done
[02:19:19] Gem already out of a potion by the way. He spent his gold on more map control
[02:19:25] Just trying to remove all the vision from tundra and
[02:19:29] There's not a lot of it a couple of words bottom, but that's it
[02:19:33] All right big smoke from tundra. They have the blink shaker
[02:19:43] Gotta find something with this
[02:19:45] So have a look
[02:19:47] Tundra
[02:19:50] Who do they spot out first? Rue in a very sneaky spot here ready to almost sort of dispel any smoke plays
[02:19:55] We got eyes on white one.
[02:19:57] Yeah, they got a slight chance on Duracha, so already Spirit.
[02:20:01] Very aware that that sort of move was coming in.
[02:20:03] Unlucky to get caught by it.
[02:20:06] So hard to make smokes from a closed off map position going into a bounty hunter lineup.
[02:20:12] Because you can just cover so many of the angles.
[02:20:14] And it's so much easier to read that play.
[02:20:17] Just a really tough position for Tundra.
[02:20:20] I mean, again, their best comeback potential is around an objective teamfight.
[02:20:23] Like let's say spirit mana for Rosh and you can catch them there if they go for the next tormentor you can catch them there
[02:20:28] That's where you can get that AoE punish that's where you can make that comeback fight
[02:20:32] But these open map
[02:20:34] Timings where everyone's just kind of farming different places
[02:20:37] Really hard for tundra to find anything and another quick smoke from spirit
[02:20:40] Just straight into Dorachio. They don't want them. Let's see
[02:20:46] And maybe see if they can get multiple arrows rather than just the one. I mean, that's that would be really greedy if that were the decision making
[02:20:54] We know what we want too they say yeah they want three well they want the wisdom trying
[02:20:59] Oh, that's true, and they're gonna be able to contest sacks to get them away from this 30 trees considering trying to fight this
[02:21:06] And Saksa will try and run, but it'll take out 33 stepping up
[02:21:10] He's got the raw onto room with the arenas down 33. He just doesn't have to back up
[02:21:15] I mean there's a Sun strike coming in but 30 trees already gone Sun strike does not connect from Bzm
[02:21:19] Oh, they are definitely in desperation territory. Can this fence save Whitemon? They will.
[02:21:31] He's dead, right? Is it spare of us or not enough?
[02:21:33] No, he's good here. He's good. He's good. He's good.
[02:21:36] But that's another one-team fight, more track kills, another roar that doesn't lead to anything,
[02:21:41] and you lost another wisdom shrine. We're looking at an 11 level difference right now,
[02:21:49] and you dropped a golem. So now you don't have golem for two minutes.
[02:21:52] They're just trying to get to Cataclysm. I mean, that's like all you're hoping is
[02:21:59] gonna make a difference here. Get the hags on the invoker, drop a catta, somehow
[02:22:03] get something off that. Socks are smoked up here. It's a solo shakers.
[02:22:12] Yeah, has to get away from this as soon as that dispels.
[02:22:19] Red Dawn's still got the eyes on him, and if that tobacco comes in,
[02:22:21] Socks is just dead. That's even worse news for Tundra, because he's solo smoked
[02:22:28] for that play. So now you lose another smoke that you need, you're
[02:22:31] gonna need to come back in this game and just feed a track kill away with it. The
[02:22:37] Midas Express continues here.
[02:22:38] Umru? He's already ironed up the next play. He's got his hands on BZM, backup comes in.
[02:22:48] They just kill whoever they want right now, Spirit. Nothing that Tundra can seem to do.
[02:22:53] Just slide them down.
[02:22:54] They're gonna have to group it and take a fight with Kata when they can get it.
[02:23:01] They can get it.
[02:23:03] And just try and stop the bleeding for now.
[02:23:05] They are closing in on BKBs.
[02:23:06] They have the BKB on the Tiny and the Beast Masters is done here as well.
[02:23:12] So maybe that'll be something they try and fight with, even if you don't have this Cataclysm.
[02:23:16] Just going with the two BKB cores, stun some people up, drop an Echo, drop a Meteor Bonds.
[02:23:23] It's kind of your best bet right now, because I think if you let Spirit just do Roshan here
[02:23:26] and put an Aegis on this clink.
[02:23:29] You're not winning that fight ever again.
[02:23:40] I'm ready to go finish off this tier two top.
[02:23:43] Won't be any sign of Tundra trying to defend this.
[02:23:45] They've got to just hold back and wait until
[02:23:47] there's items, timings fall into place to go together.
[02:23:50] Probably this bruise already is starting to scout out
[02:23:52] some of them down bottom where they're trying
[02:23:55] to find areas of the mountain to get the farm in.
[02:23:58] Backups on the way for Rue, Lyle and Miposca,
[02:24:00] they're heading over.
[02:24:01] More to come as well from the spirit.
[02:24:03] This is just such good vision for Spirit right here.
[02:24:08] The Ag's done on the Invoker though, so Cataclysm is available.
[02:24:13] Can go for this like Roar Cataclysm all in play on a big core target, on some Ember
[02:24:17] or Clinks.
[02:24:20] Spirit are just not going to contest that position.
[02:24:22] They might be okay just conceding a Tormentor here to keep farming the map, get a tier
[02:24:26] two, not take that bad clump fight going into a high ground.
[02:24:31] That's tower gone. Spirit continued to get these objectives whilst Tundra in no shape or form to do so themselves.
[02:24:47] So will Spirit smoke or try to test this tormentor? I think it's an interesting decision.
[02:24:53] I could see just doing a Roshan exchange for it and not giving Tundra the chance to even come back in a fight here.
[02:25:00] There's another smoke expended from Tundra. They're trying to catch somebody top but they're late.
[02:25:08] Yeah, he's already out collapsed. There's the way it gets out of there, so Tundra gonna pincer in on to nothing
[02:25:15] I mean this has got to be like the last smoke too, I think
[02:25:19] Well they've been for a long
[02:25:21] They have been burning them and I don't think they've connected on one right?
[02:25:25] If the last three were all just wasted
[02:25:28] Yeah, last three got nothing
[02:25:33] I mean do you go back?
[02:25:35] you go through the gate here no you don't get you don't really get there's no
[02:25:41] they don't see them on the map right there's no way to they're gonna send a
[02:25:45] bore through go in there bro instantly eaten just gonna continue just sending
[02:25:58] these summons through let's get some sort of information on the status of spirit
[02:26:03] whether they're still here spirit are waiting for the tormenter it's up
[02:26:08] they'll clear that themselves I tried the Sun Strike Steel but we'll not
[02:26:13] We'll succeed that BZM, Thomas is claimed by Spirit, we will get the shard.
[02:26:18] Nice little shard pickup, even more Invis pressure on the map, straining the sentries in the gem.
[02:26:26] And Whitemon will get a de-ward in the order, around the Roche, not insignificant here.
[02:26:30] Again, there's a chance Tundra can win a teamfight if Spirit, Klump and Roche is one of the better places to get that.
[02:26:38] Doesn't look like they won a contest.
[02:26:41] Doesn't really look like Spirit wants to do it either, though.
[02:26:48] Just looking for more kills.
[02:26:49] I can't blame them. I feel like they have gotten a lot of value out of this bounty hunter scouting.
[02:26:54] Some strikes to pit.
[02:27:01] Yeah, seeing if the Spirit were making a move, but...
[02:27:05] I don't see them in the pit, so if anything, the map's going to get a little bit scary
[02:27:09] for Tundra knowing that Spirit could be coming for them.
[02:27:17] Just trying to get whatever farm they can.
[02:27:20] And hope that one teamfight comes their way.
[02:27:22] Shard done for the Shaker, so Sox's teamfight is online here.
[02:27:26] He's very poor, but he is not weak, in a way.
[02:27:32] All about the stuns here for Tundra.
[02:27:34] If you can land the stuns first, you have a chance.
[02:27:36] That's kind of it. If you get gone on, the fight's just over.
[02:27:39] If Collapse jumps you, if you get hit by slight chains,
[02:27:44] you're gonna be in for a rough time as Smoke is very close to hitting here.
[02:27:48] They're so close, and they're gonna find him.
[02:27:50] They're gonna jump into 33 or get the BKB off.
[02:27:52] BCM's able to continue to stay hidden in the trees.
[02:27:55] 33 will go for the BKB and TP out, nothing to stop it.
[02:27:57] Meanwhile on the other side of the map, Radhan did manage to find Whitemon alone, so still
[02:28:02] getting a kill spread, but not quite the big one.
[02:28:04] This time Tundra able to keep their cores alive.
[02:28:07] Yeah, they get 33 out of there.
[02:28:12] BZM doesn't die to that smoke either.
[02:28:14] Time for the Tiny to farm.
[02:28:16] Dorachio slowly recovering.
[02:28:18] Oh, BZM!
[02:28:19] He went to summon one more round of the Forged Spirits before the TP out.
[02:28:24] time for Collapsed to close in or drop the combo onto Collapsed for the
[02:28:28] Calyclism it's not enough to threaten Collapsed as Collapses perfectly fine
[02:28:31] they kill BZM off it was also just trying to make the move over to get the
[02:28:35] Shrine of Wisdom in time potentially but yeah got cold feet tried to TP out
[02:28:38] doesn't get anything out of the move. Gem on Collapsed can't run away from
[02:28:44] that one as four heroes form for that track kill and other thousand gold in
[02:28:48] the spirits pocket and that'll open up a rush completely.
[02:28:54] Just so much catch and set up in this lineup, it's really hard to rat this game out if you're plunger right now.
[02:28:59] Your lineup's not that good at ratting the map anyway.
[02:29:02] So that's been a struggle.
[02:29:04] See who gets this Aegis? I get to give it to Ember or Clinkz, but I think it is going to Radon here.
[02:29:13] He can hit some buildings too, if you win a fight or get a big pick off.
[02:29:18] Yeah, I'd imagine so, right? You want this? You want Radon at the front?
[02:29:22] Now we have it. Aegis, Lincoln Sphere as well on top of it all. This is the sort of game
[02:29:29] that, you know, this is why Radon wants to bring out this clink. So you said, didn't
[02:29:32] work out last time, but this time, it won't matter the most. It's working.
[02:29:38] Yeah, he beat him with that other game, you know, he made him think it was trash
[02:29:41] and then he busted out here, 7-0 or not.
[02:29:44] Oh, that's not a real hero. Unfortunately, that's a smoke and a BKB and a rock.
[02:29:51] And now they're gonna get jumped in return. They get the chains on to D'Raccio
[02:29:54] He's got to put the BKB. Wyman has to drop the golem to try and give the time and space to D'Raccio to run
[02:29:58] But they can get in on top of him. He's gonna try and go for the TP out, but the physical damage is done
[02:30:02] The Raccio goes down. They're struggling this game every time. They're just not finding anything. Another failed smoke
[02:30:10] Hits on Illusion. The tiny coulda TP out there too. Just waited too long
[02:30:17] They're just not finding anything. And we'll see it again
[02:30:21] making that jump in the river I mean that's such a nice beat no you're for
[02:30:27] done yeah it's working it really 31 to 6 21 K lead especially when you consider
[02:30:35] how rough game for the spirit right every this is oh yeah I mean kind of
[02:30:39] this game for the game five sort of summarizes the entirety of a lot of the
[02:30:43] stuff we were seeing before by them right you're not these guys down but
[02:30:46] right now right you spirit they're able to hit back harder than ever before
[02:30:50] They're back on top and now they're on they're on the verge of closing up this championship title here dream league season 25
[02:30:56] Unless tundra can do something in the state
[02:30:59] This has been the most dominating game for them. Yeah, when we thought it was looking bad that they got figured out
[02:31:04] No, they can clearly explain what tundra were doing push it back against them and now tundra
[02:31:09] They got all their signature heroes. They got all the team fight in the world
[02:31:12] They have all the scale they could dream of and then they're gonna get there cuz spirit
[02:31:15] I just want to end this game right here right now.
[02:31:17] Yep.
[02:31:18] Easy, I'm trying to get the setup here on towards Redone.
[02:31:20] Redone's gonna get forced out to safety,
[02:31:22] and of course still three minutes left on this Aegis.
[02:31:24] So lots of flexibility for Spirit to continue to go for whatever they wish.
[02:31:29] There's just so many defensive items.
[02:31:31] Like, Lincoln's on the clink, Lincoln's on the Mars as well.
[02:31:36] And early Mars, Lincoln's. Really rare we see this.
[02:31:39] And Shiva's on the Ember.
[02:31:40] So all three of these cores are just nightmares to try to initiate on.
[02:31:43] Shadoll.
[02:31:44] Dratio.
[02:31:45] Dratio.
[02:31:46] He's trying to head out.
[02:31:47] He's got a BKB and run.
[02:31:52] He's got TP back to base.
[02:31:53] He's just right outside the base.
[02:31:57] That feels pretty rough.
[02:32:04] Tundra.
[02:32:08] Pretty much two choices.
[02:32:09] Yeah, well you got...
[02:32:10] I was just gonna say like you can either just try and keep catching him or you can
[02:32:13] go high ground.
[02:32:14] Yeah.
[02:32:15] And if you just want to keep killing him.
[02:32:17] Try to push out the bottom wave but collapse is already there.
[02:32:20] I mean the entirety of them are already there.
[02:32:22] But they're just ready for them.
[02:32:23] I just don't let Tundra do anything.
[02:32:28] What's that?
[02:32:29] That was like Quad TP, right?
[02:32:30] His instant Quad TP ruined this guy's day.
[02:32:35] Broach now done for the clink,
[02:32:36] even more damage hit that level 20
[02:32:38] as well, extra strength, attack speed.
[02:32:40] This is where this hero becomes terrifying
[02:32:42] because his DPS is absurd.
[02:32:45] With the Mjolnir procs, the miss chance from the talent,
[02:32:48] the broach hitting, especially into some
[02:32:51] these high armor heroes like the tiny. You're just gonna shred him. Still have
[02:33:00] Aegis here too for a minute. You really want to push it.
[02:33:04] Tier 2 of the lease will be theirs. Tundra, they're gonna put everything together for the
[02:33:13] high ground defense. Honey outside of the base. Little too much right now. They're
[02:33:18] blinked for Beesie and they've got everything in line to try and set up
[02:33:21] for this perfect team fight. But they've got to catch Spirit in a way that Spirit
[02:33:25] just not let themselves be caught at all here in this game 5. So very
[02:33:30] difficult for Tundra to do.
[02:33:32] Okay, that's almost impossible.
[02:33:35] You have to land on big bonds as well, which means you've got to make them clump.
[02:33:39] You have to land a multi-hero echo.
[02:33:41] You need the roar to land, which normally is not hard, but into this double Lincoln sphere
[02:33:47] could go wrong.
[02:33:48] They throw one on the target, the 33 jumps.
[02:33:50] He did go blink four staff on the beast, so he has some Lincoln's rate potential.
[02:33:54] But yeah, there's a bunch of Gale guards to eat through as well.
[02:33:57] I mean, there's just a lot that needs to sync up here for Tundra.
[02:33:59] And they are a team that's capable of doing it, but they also don't have the vision. You look at the map right now
[02:34:04] There's like not a single dire ops on this map
[02:34:08] They see nothing
[02:34:09] They're just going completely blind hoping it works out and they get scanned anyway
[02:34:16] 33
[02:34:18] They're gonna see them here and then they get the jump on the wall BZM BZM
[02:34:22] Caught by the chains will try and push them back with a deafening blast
[02:34:24] But he's stuck in the midst of it all spiff into the gods review collapse finishes them off again
[02:34:29] And now with a change on 33, they might try for more. Put the BKB term of the round to
[02:34:34] Laugh. They're going to try and focus the Ember spirit down, but he's able to jump
[02:34:38] out with the remnants. In fact, he just jumps straight back over towards Saksa. They kill
[02:34:41] off the Shaker, collapses him with the arena, traps 33, 33 to 4. He's out for a minute
[02:34:47] without buyback. They can't even get Laugh. The team forcing him back to safety. Ice
[02:34:51] parf on towards Durancho. He'll try and jump in with the combo, hits Saksa. He's
[02:34:54] been able to blow up Rue, but can't get anything else. He cannot, Rodan and
[02:34:58] down their ground, clean them up, Whitemon trying to TP out. He will make it, but the
[02:35:04] other four are dead.
[02:35:06] I can't miss the review, but...
[02:35:09] They've got it!
[02:35:11] That's it! Gigi's called Game 5 in the bag here for Team Spirit, and with that, they're
[02:35:17] going to take the championship title here. Dream League Season 25, Team Spirit, they've
[02:35:22] done it Avery. They're back at the top, and they're better than ever.
[02:35:26] I think there are a lot of questions with, you know, Toro and Collapse are returning, how good was this team going to be?
[02:35:31] Are they going to instantly rise back to the top?
[02:35:34] Were they going to just dumpster everybody? Were they going to struggle to find the momentum again?
[02:35:37] But this is a big land win for this team.
[02:35:40] A huge win for Rue as well, right? Like, getting this young kid confidence on this roster with all these TI winners, knowing...
[02:35:46] It's something in the back of your mind, right? Where it's like, do I belong with these guys?
[02:35:50] Are we actually going to win Ifab on the team instead of Miro or whoever else?
[02:35:54] Now he has that confidence, he knows he belongs in this squad.
[02:35:58] And what a game 5.
[02:36:00] I mean, bringing this place out, not a hero I think anybody would have been able to predict.
[02:36:04] It goes 9-0-1-4-2.
[02:36:06] But Poshka just destroyed that game.
[02:36:09] Like, he just, Rick, you effectively won 3 lanes.
[02:36:13] He was higher net worth than all of them at 15 minutes, I mean.
[02:36:16] What is there to say about the team that hasn't been set?
[02:36:19] Like, when they are in Grand Finals form, they're the scariest team in the world.
[02:36:22] It doesn't matter who you are or how good you've been recently.
[02:36:27] Yeah, and that's just crazy.
[02:36:28] Yeah, to do it with this last pick clings.
[02:36:31] So, no one else had picked the entire tournament,
[02:36:33] apart from that one time where Team Spirit gave it a go,
[02:36:37] and it did not go, and that was against Tundra.
[02:36:40] The game, of course, that they lost.
[02:36:42] What was that? The game one or game two?
[02:36:45] It was game one.
[02:36:45] So long ago. It was game one.
[02:36:47] It was game two.
[02:36:48] It was game one of these gunplotters.
[02:36:49] It was game two.
[02:36:50] Yeah, game two, they tried it, it didn't work.
[02:36:51] But now back in game five,
[02:36:53] Let's spend a couple of days. Let's give it another shot and
[02:36:56] You can't really ask for much more than that right ends again 9 0 13
[02:37:02] He has a brilliant time clink. Is it back or is this just a radon kind of thing ever?
[02:37:08] I think it was just a really good read of the position they were in because we were talking through that draft of how
[02:37:12] They were not going to get more team fight
[02:37:14] They were not going to get more scale
[02:37:15] But you don't need it in Dota if you can run the over and abuse their support through around mid
[02:37:20] Abuse the early fighting with a carry that comes online way faster than the tiny right that was the game plan
[02:37:26] They executed the game plan. It's not a style. We see spirit play often
[02:37:30] That's why I was kind of like iffy right because spirits kind of a slower team
[02:37:34] They're a comeback team their team 15, but they just ran them over here, dude
[02:37:37] Tundra were not ready. Yeah, they took full advantage of the trends
[02:37:41] This series was going on a very cool adjustment and not something I think Tundra expected it
[02:37:46] Man, what a way to win in style. You know what I'm saying?
[02:37:50] The spirit's got style.
[02:37:51] It really was.
[02:37:52] Just the run that they made as well, right?
[02:37:55] We look back at the trip that Spirit's been on for this playoff bracket.
[02:37:58] Started off, you know, taking down Chimera, the team that everyone, you know,
[02:38:02] was very excited to see, you know, Chimera, how they were going to do.
[02:38:05] They made this, you know, the team that didn't exist, I think no longer exists, right?
[02:38:08] They did disband.
[02:38:09] And we already knew that when they were playing this tournament.
[02:38:11] Spirit, they get that two to one.
[02:38:13] 2-1. At that point maybe you're like, well you know what, Khymer, they're probably just,
[02:38:17] you know, they were starting to crumble. Does that victory mean that much? But then in the
[02:38:22] lower bracket finals, 2-0 against PowerVision, one of the teams considered to be a potential
[02:38:27] favorite to take the whole title, then it's like, all right, this spirit, they're absolutely
[02:38:31] back. And then in the beginning, now part one of the Grand Finals on Sunday,
[02:38:36] we started to see there, right, this was Grand Final tournament winning team spirit.
[02:38:42] Like we already saw it right in the first three games right every yep
[02:38:45] They were they were coming into their form people were starting to feel it then we got this game for today
[02:38:50] And it's like oh, oh, they lose it all but no they're still in form
[02:38:54] They are absolutely cooking people out here
[02:38:57] And this is gonna be a scary team over the course of the year both these teams honestly
[02:39:01] You're probably looking at like the two best teams in the world in a grand final situation, right?
[02:39:06] I think party visions up there for sure
[02:39:07] I think Falcons can compete with them who knows what liquids capable of but
[02:39:12] Like you're looking towards, you know, EWC or TI down the line
[02:39:17] You just don't want to play against these two teams and a best of five. It is just terrifying
[02:39:23] No, no, and you know for the tundra, you know, they were very much looking at this tournament
[02:39:28] They just sort of add it to the list of the ones that they've been winning so far on quite the streak this year
[02:39:33] But you know, I think as even if for the tundra fans out there
[02:39:37] It's still it's good to see the competition right that this year, you know after first two ones
[02:39:42] Maybe it's like okay
[02:39:42] It's just gonna be an easy walk in the park for tundra event to event to event
[02:39:46] But here we have them getting beaten by spirit in the best of five
[02:39:50] The challenge has has arrived. Oh
[02:39:53] Yeah, this is this is the final boss, you know
[02:39:56] I think spirits always that final boss lurking out there
[02:39:58] And when you become a good team and you start to challenge people right whether you're Falcons
[02:40:02] Game in liquid tundra at some point spirit comes back and it's a ruin your day
[02:40:07] You have to deal with them and I think it's good for Dota. They're they're such a fun. Oh, yeah, absolutely
[02:40:13] Yeah, I think everybody is a fan of the way spirit plays the game, you know, they're not cheesy
[02:40:18] They're not one dimensional these guys team fight they play the map
[02:40:22] They pick on conventional stuff like what other team is gonna go back to the clink setting game five
[02:40:26] Right the amount of confidence that they used to do that. Yeah, it's absurd
[02:40:29] So kudos to them. I think they are absolutely returning to form. I don't even think they're 100% yet
[02:40:35] Honestly, that's not a scary part. They still have some room to grow here, but well played by Tundra, too
[02:40:40] They have had a really strong start to this year and it continues here
[02:40:44] Yeah, and it will yeah, you know already after this one Tundra
[02:40:48] They can't wait to try and find themselves in another best of five grand finals with spirit
[02:40:53] They're they're ready already to try and tackle them once again
[02:40:55] So can't wait to see that happen whenever it does down the line with a beautiful selection of events that we are going to have ahead of us this year and
[02:41:04] Yeah, I mean as you said just the little things as well
[02:41:06] the fact that they leave that tiny in and they
[02:41:10] Doesn't matter so tiny did not have a great day today every and he's had a great every other day
[02:41:15] So maybe it was it was a long time coming, you know surely this here are coming broken forever
[02:41:20] And today both teams managed to prove it maybe it maybe ain't that great sometimes
[02:41:25] Yeah, it's kind of a funny turn of events. Like, the one hero maybe did not expect to see, and it just got dumpstered twice completely, completely run over, exploited in a lot of different ways, so.
[02:41:35] The meta will always be changing in Dota 2. You can never just sit on something forever, and I guess that break really, they thought about Tiny, you know? Both teams thought about how to dumpster Tiny.
[02:41:45] They came in and dumpstered it.
[02:41:47] But it is yeah after game four is like well
[02:41:50] I guess it can't get dumpstered harder than that well
[02:41:52] I could with what a spirit did against it in game five well anyway ladies and gentlemen
[02:41:59] I believe that that is everything from us here at dream league season 25
[02:42:03] You've been amazing as always hope you've enjoyed the action again
[02:42:06] Obviously unfortunate circumstances that we had to do kind of the grand finals in two parts
[02:42:11] But at least we still got the four five games out of it. So that's always nice
[02:42:14] And I'm sure the team spirit fans out there and as Avery said just both of fans in general
[02:42:18] You know happy to see another team be able to challenge that position one are gonna be happy with what they got to witness today
[02:42:24] And yeah, congratulations to team spirit as you saw in the charts
[02:42:28] They're taking where the lion's share of the EPT points from this event and yeah
[02:42:32] But any final words for yourself Avery for all our beautiful views at home
[02:42:36] No, I mean I'm looking forward to what these teams are gonna do in the future
[02:42:40] We have Raleigh coming up in like a month right and a lot of these teams are gonna be there
[02:42:44] It'll be interesting to see what the meta looks like from now till then.
[02:42:47] And I could easily see these two teams in the finals of that tour.
[02:42:52] Oh, yes. So yeah, we're going to get this grand final again.
[02:42:55] I'm sure it multiple times this year.
[02:42:57] Tundra and spirit are going to be beating in a in a best of five.
[02:43:01] I look for that.
[02:43:02] Oh, absolutely. I think in terms of grand finals, this was overall
[02:43:05] when you remember the games from Sunday and from put today.
[02:43:08] This was one of the best grand finals.
[02:43:10] So absolutely every reason to look forward to seeing these two teams
[02:43:14] me again at the end of one of the many tournaments to come as you say rally the
[02:43:18] next big one on the EPT for these teams to try and grab those points and secure
[02:43:23] their spot going into the e-sport World Cup. Well as I said I won't keep you guys
[02:43:27] and girls anymore you've been amazing I hope you had a beautiful day and you
[02:43:30] enjoyed watching the action congratulations one more time team
[02:43:33] spirit the dream league season 25 champions