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The wind can cut you like a knife, and nights are colder than the purse's wife, sir.
Do we dream of sunny skies of blue and sipping on some fancy foreign brew, sir?
No, sir, no.
We long to sail where grayly English skies prevail, and we would face the wind in snow
and hail for just one pail of good old English hail sir just one pail of good
old English hail sir did we choose to fight the foreign flow for England's
glory we must answer no sir English hail house that's where we would be not
dodging cannon balls upon the sea sir we're only risking life and limb
Because only it was too far to swim
But we would chance an iron arm or leg
For just one keg of good old English Nail, sir
Just one keg of good old English Nail, sir
Many days and many lonely nights
Without one woman holding into sight, sir
Now it won't be long till we see
Our wives and sweethearts
Blind up on the quay, sir
With their arms all open wide
But we will push them gently aside
For pain will have to wait for us until
We pad up, fill up
Good old English nail, sir
Pad up, fill up
Good old English nail, sir
Inside the stranger eye
I was born evil way, all the way
St. Austrailia, I'm great born with bands
and St. Austrailia
All the way here, row in gates
evil way, all the way
All the way up here in singin' bands
and St. Austrailia
As I woke up from morning fair
Evil way, all the way
There I met Miss Tancy Blaine
with bands and St. Austrailia
Oh Lord, hear me sing with man, for South Australia
I shook her up, I shook her down
Eagle way, all the way, shook her round and round
And with man, for South Australia
All the way, you're rolling kings, eagle way
All the way, the fun degrees my mind
Here she lay, behind with man, for South Australia
Oh Lord, for South Australia
And that's you won't cry before the Australians
He'll raise, sing with balance
That's us for the shelf
So it's the 90 years on the floor
It was tall urban himself
Though it weighed not a penny way he was born
It was always his treasure
But it stopped short
Never to go again
Or any old years without slumbering
Tick-tock, tick-tock, his life's second number is
Tick-tock, tick-tock, but it's time
Sure, his pendulum swing to and fro
Many hours had he spent while a boy
At the childhood and manhood, the clock seemed to know
And to share both his grief and his joy
For it struck twenty-four when he entered in the door
With a blooming night
But it stopped
Sure, never did all I guess
With a slumbering
Tick-tock, tick-tock
His life sector's numbering
Tick-tock, tick-tock
It stopped
Sure, others said
That of those he could hire
Not a servant so faithful he found
For it wasted no time
But one desire
At the close of each week
each week to be one. For it kept in its place, not a frown upon its face, and its hands never
hung by its side. That's Tom, Sean, ninety years about slumbering. Tick, tock, tick, tock,
his life's second numbering. Tick, tock, tick, tock, but it's Tom, Sean, never going.
If the dead ought to have been dumb,
knew that his spirit was blooming for flight,
that his hour of departure had come.
Still the clock kept its time,
a will of soft and muddle of gin,
as he silently stood by his side.
But his thumb, sure,
never go and get life's second number.
Never go and get life's second number.
It did pendulum swing to and fro, Many hours had he spent while a boy man heard
The clock seemed to brief out his joy, For it struck twenty-four when he entered
In that he could hire Not a servant so faithful he found,
For it wasted no time, And it bought one desire
At the close of each week to be one
A frown upon its face
And its hands never had a stop
Sure, that's numbering
Just life's second numbering tip
That is our awful, a soft and muffled chime
As we silently stood by
Yeah, the morning fair
Leave away, I'm simply
With hands, I'm just ready
On sugar, up high
Sugar down, freeze my mind
I can never move parties
I'm dancing and changing
So they're boozing, it's a dead brain
Hit your partner Sally to blue
Hit your partner Sally brown
He can't eat the supper
Coffish in the spring of the year
Fried in maggoty butter
Hit your partner Sally to blue
Hit your partner Sally brown
Fog or twin gate mortons
Harbour all around the circle
I don't want your maggoty fish
That's no good for winter
I can buy as good as land
Bonavista, keep your partner, Sally, to do it
Get your partner, Sally Brown
Fogel, Twilling, Gate, Morton's, Harbour, all around the circle
Fight to glise it, do the dancing, faith that she can travel
End this death that she detects, up and where knees and gravel
Keep your partner, Sally, to do it
Get your partner, Sally Brown
Fogel, Twilling, Gate, Morton's, Harbour, all around the circle
Susan White, she's out of sight, her pedigal needs the border
It's just been part of my life for 20 years, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
Where we are in the history of this game and where it's come from and how much it's been accomplished,
I think compared to basically any other esport, it's the best.
I'm grateful for that it's you as a game because Dota has a culture of super
scenes where we come from you are a total player first and I love that dream
league season 25 is brought to you by Intel Arc Acer Predator DHL Kadea and
one ex bat cold sweat washes over you you realize for the past few weeks
You've been enjoying Dota here at DreamLeague Season 25 on a daily basis, and now it's the
last day three teams remain.
So for one last time, the Park Jam Pandas.
A very special final day here at a DreamLeague Season 25, two weeks of Dota have led up
to this moment.
16 teams when we started and now we're down to the final three.
And I'm also joined by three panelists on this morning show,
Odie Pistol Nati and Gunner Friends.
I can't believe it's the end of the journey, Gunner.
Yeah, it's the final day, final day.
Final day without journey of being friends.
It's just, that's what I'm saying, Gunner.
It's our first panel in two years together.
Yeah, the last time we were being on a panel together
was a low bracket grand finals of TI-12 in Seattle.
Whoa.
And it's how long it's been together,
Being since someone's seen us on camera together.
Oh.
Yeah.
On the origin.
No pictures, no videos, nothing.
Nothing.
We don't exist.
Outside of being on camera together we don't exist.
It was a femoral, but oh and you and I, you've been to many dream lakes.
We have.
You, yeah, we both have.
We both have.
How have you been out now?
What was your first?
I think it was the DPC era was my first, so maybe like in 1819.
Oh, that's pretty late.
I know.
That was a latecomer.
That's been a good run.
It has been a good run.
It's been the best ever you're not just saying that are you I say that every time
We raise the bar right now this has been the best ever dream we've ever had in mind first dream
I'm starting to see a link here. It's all lining up. It's good talent good
The band? Am I right?
Yep.
Oh, the instrument that Jans just...
What is that?
What is that?
It's uh...
You're the musician right there.
I am. It's pretty good. It's some crazy name.
It's called a Vibra Slap.
A Vibra Slap?
That's good!
That sounds like some sort of a red dude.
That's it with the Vibra Slap.
Whoa!
There we go.
That's my favorite percussion instrument.
That's the right one.
That is really cool. I have no idea how that works.
I'm glad you're enjoying the PogChamp Panthers because as is traditional on the final day,
they will be holding a concert in between lower right and finals and grand finals.
Neil, I got him two weeks early to get barricade on this concert, okay?
I'm going to be right there on the rails at the barricade.
It's taken two weeks.
I'm going to be there first in line, actually.
Good.
I'm glad.
You've been watching it remotely the whole time.
Now you get to witness it in person, but that's in the future.
For right now, we can focus on the past and what's been happening for all of Dreamleague
season 25 that led us up to this point.
Let's take a look at the group stage 2 standings that broke into the playoff bracket.
Once we got into our top 8, all of these teams slugged it out for a week straight,
trying to figure out who's going to survive, who's going to make it to upper bracket,
who's going to make it to lower bracket, and who's going to get eliminated.
The ones who survived were party visionant, tundra, esports, team spirit, and kaimira.
And as a result, they got themselves a pretty penny.
Fourth place now has already been locked in as kaimira fell to team spirit yesterday,
but they don't go home empty-handed.
They come home with a cool 60k USD and I guess kaimira as the organization get 20k,
which you know, that counts for not disbanding.
What if they disbanded before Dreamleg?
Exactly.
would have been bad news for Kynir, huh?
Yeah, they lost 20k.
Lost 20k!
So there we go.
They get some E.P.T. points as well, they get 22 of 40 E.P.T. points as you can see from
our point distribution, and the top three are still to be determined.
Heart Vision, Spirit, and Tundra still need to figure out who's taking a third, second,
and first.
The thing is, though, that a lot of the placements are kind of set in stone.
Tundra, even if they win this event and the Spirit get eliminated right now, they can't overtake Spirit.
So you need to be top four to get directly invited to Dream League Season 26.
And unfortunately, Tundra just did not perform well enough in Bangkok to get enough points.
Because they won at Bangkok?
Exactly.
They did so bad, they didn't make it their qualifier.
I was saying this though that the teams that had to go through qualifiers to get to this dream league have done the best right
Three of our top four were ones that came through qualifiers now. Unfortunately, Chimera getting knocked out
They still had great placement for themselves. So there's something to be said gun
I mean, I'm sure you've probably experienced it too
But going through qualifiers experience it it gives you to be able to make that long run that long journey in a tournament
I would say especially for Western Europe or Eastern Europe because there's so much competition that making through the qualifiers
means you're actually a good team. And sometimes when you're invited, you have been playing as
a team in a month or two, you kind of get a break to some extent, so it's more like you're a fresh,
good team. Closer to the tournament. Having just coasted your way through. And plus the Western
European and Eastern European Quals are nearly as competitive as a lot of LAN events these days.
And so the competition that you experience there is not just like,
there are no free wins there. No, no, no, absolutely not. So already, because the status
of the top four that we know, right, locked in, that was going to be, well, the Dream League
season 26, Western Europe qualifiers, it's going to be the one to watch when that comes
up, which I believe is probably what, a few weeks after Raleigh.
Speaking of Raleigh.
Yeah, what do we got?
You guys at home are going to get an opportunity to maybe witness the chaos of the new patch
here at ESL One of Raleigh.
There have not been very many North American lands.
Right Gunner?
No, there's been, what's the last one?
There was Arlington Major.
There was Arlington Major, Seattle TI.
Is that the last one?
Seattle TI.
Yeah.
That was the last two ones.
Arlington Major, and then we were supposed to have a Los Angeles Major.
That didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
ESL, I mean sorry, TI Vancouver was probably the last one before that.
That was what, seven years ago?
Yeah, 2018.
So far and few between opportunities.
Two, three, and seven years.
Now we've got a fourth one to add.
It's going to be good.
Fourth one.
It's going to be good.
In the USA Torments because they just scream USA exactly even if you're any team is you know one player from like USA or zero players
You just get the USA champ or like a coach. She's doing it as well
It's like you need some adjacency Falcons will get USA champs making making
You know why he counts. Yep gaming gladiators. I'm gladiators. Nope. Nope. Okay. That's where they're liquid liquid
Yeah, they're all gonna get a lot of extra every team
Yeah, I mean even tundra right you could do it because like white moon used to play in NA
USA
List all the fan favorites for USA right now. It might take a long time. Well, what if I should do a list of teams?
The ones that are competing to make it to the eSports a world cup
Not very many North American teams here, no. In fact, Shopify Rebellion got bumped down to ninth place after
Chimera overtook them, but as you can see from this point distribution, Tundra eSports are at
sixth place right now, and
even if Team Spirit get eliminated right now, Tundra eSports can basically get
1,400 points, which means that they would still fall before Liquid, so they can't really change their placement.
Wow, that's a tough one, but there's still a lot on the line for themselves, you know?
They put you in that one step closer, Owen, to being qualified for the EWC.
Yeah, you don't want to be on the edge.
You don't want to be having to go through rally and during these season 26 being like,
all these possibilities of other teams, if they have a bad tunnel, then another team
take them over, then knocking them all the way down out of the eight.
Which is the main thing on the mind for Team Spirit.
Team Spirit are in fourth place right now on the leaderboards, but if they win this whole tournament, they shoot up the second place.
That's the only placement that can change right now.
That's a huge leap.
And then when you're there, then you probably have time to go through.
When you're like top 1, top 2, you're like there's no way we're getting knocked out of the top 8 by
Real Masters.
Well, you have to know that our points escalate as we get closer to the fourth level.
So there are two still opportunities to get points.
They're still Rally and Dream League season 26 and the points will count more and more points count more for a land event
So Rally is gonna be a pretty penny and then season 26 being the last yeah
Recency matters. That's right. What you said is even if you're seconds you probably
It's still gonna turn out at most party vision are probably showing okay. They want Bangkok. Yeah, they're sitting on 10k points
They're probably showing but who knows things are moving fast any teams are peeved at Camaro
Because they took like all these points for top four and then they just gone
They're just deleted the points
Yeah, they'll be they know snapped out of existence after that. I mean, I guess we don't know if they disbanded yet
I can't it's not think they might say
That's a different Panto with established okay, they might still stay together
Maybe I'm pretty sure it's being said in a couple interviews by both camera plays and non camera plays that they've been signed to different
Orgs right now, so maybe maybe
Maybe, hypothetically they've been signed to it.
Because they could stay together and then qualify for Dream League season 26 if they wanted
to.
Maybe.
Just for a meme.
Just to come back.
Just to come back.
Good old times, you know, it's like two months time.
They could!
It might happen.
It's so funny guys, we're like disbanded but we keep playing together.
That's what people said about nouns.
Oh, sorry.
I mean to play for fun for you.
Oh, you went.
But the disbanding was real, the fun was...
The story has ended on Chimera, unfortunately, but there are still three teams to look forward
to today on this our last day of Dream League Season 25 because we still got a lower bracket
final and a best of five grand final ahead of us.
Partyvision ends up falling to Tundra yesterday.
The undefeated team in Group Stage 2 ends up showing up in lower bracket finals and
as we already established, Spirit was able to beat Chimera in that lower bracket semifinal
to move up, and Tundra are waiting eagerly for their best of five opponent, which is
now their third to straight grand final appearance, Nat.
Yeah, it's an amazing performance from this.
I know I've said it a couple of times, but what brings me the greatest joy about seeing
Tundra in a grand finals, it's very easy to be like, oh, Tundra again, the Dominant
blah blah blah.
33 was so open and expressive about how he wanted to become a consistent team.
That's what he started defining success for himself as a player, and also for an AWG.
So the fact that they've been able to go fissure grand finals, blast grand finals, and now it's
dreamly grand finals.
Even if they don't win, this is still the consistency he's talking about.
It's making it into a grand finals time and time again.
So I'm really happy to see Tundra there.
They deserved it, especially after the best of three that occurred yesterday, if you
guys are watching.
And that consistency has already been rewarded in one way.
I saw Noxville tweeted that Tundra has the highest P-Kilo of any...
By 1.7 over Falcons domination last year.
For that one point.
I'm a little biased.
No, I just... it was funny that it was 1.7.
That's how tight the margins are at 2025-2024 Dota.
Falcons was a super good team back then.
Yeah. They won at the what, 7 tournaments?
They were at the whole year?
It's all crazy. Like, I mean they won every Dream League that they were a part of.
Yes.
Except this one.
Until now.
It's the first one I faulted at.
All these, uh, I guess the past three years, I've had one team basically done.
We had gaming gladiators dominating for a year straight.
Then we had Falcons dominating for a year straight.
Yep.
2025 might be the year of Tundra.
All the year of Chimera.
If they get-
There we go.
They're on this ban.
There's still many tournaments ahead.
They get buffered dream issues.
What do you say?
Is it undisbanding or is it not disbanding?
If you can't be too banded, if they're too banded, then they start losing.
Uh-huh.
You need to be like semi-disbanded, but also semi-banded.
Yeah.
You know, just like a loose connection.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, there's no rules. Is there any rules against being on two teams that probably isn't like that?
I think someone needs to give all in a rulebook.
He can't do two.
All we need is to read a rulebook before going to bed to not have a problem like that.
Wow. We can always hope.
We can always hope.
At the minimum, all these teams put on a hell of a show.
They did.
So far it's been, as you said, the best Dream League ever.
It's been the best Dream League ever.
Best Dream League ever.
And these guys and girls, they know that as well.
They know it.
They know it.
What's been your favorite Dream League, Gunna?
You played in summer now you've been talent for what was your best finishing spot dream not good. No good. What's not good?
Didn't notice first group stage
They got second group stage this time around but beforehand you know, but really I think I think we did better than liquid one
Dreamly that's pretty good. Oh, you did. Yeah, we got like second to last. I think they all asked we tell that we got a
Windsor wins a win
I think we're going to win.
Before I send you casters off, do you have any predictions on our lower bracket final, Owen?
I think, I don't know, my brain says ParaVision, my heart says Spirit, so I've got to go with
the brain.
I think ParaVision, we're going to be seeing those go up to the Grand Finals getting
at Suntra.
Oh really?
Yeah, I don't think, I think it's a little too difficult for Spirit.
I think Radan's been popping off, but there's been other parts of the Spirit
team that are just not consistent with their performance whereas Paravision is pretty consistent
as a team, apart from when they meet Chandra.
That's fair. Even though the last time they beat them in group stage 2, they did.
In terms of nods or shakes, Gunnar?
Nods or shakes.
Can we get a zoom in on Gunnar's face please? I'm going to give you a team and a position
that they'll come in.
Oh.
Paravision's third place.
Yeah. Okay.
Can I confident?
first place
Some upsets spirit first place
Paravision second
Five oh
No, you're not in two series
Okay, five oh today
He was practicing yesterday, his drafts.
You have more confidence than the disrespect of the Naga pick yesterday?
Yeah, he was bored yesterday.
He was practicing.
You draft in the upper bracket, you learn stuff, they learn how to lose, and now they're doing it the way.
You gotta find out both.
It's always darkest before the dawn, and it's always quietest before we get into this lower bracket final, ladies and gentlemen, the PogChampandas.
Part vision versus spirit time, which brings us over to our analytical section
and also brings us to our analysts. LaCoste, how's it going?
Where are we going with this stuff?
Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Been great actually, because I think today we're gonna have some great dota.
We had some great dota over the last two weeks, but today's gonna be feet.
Yesterday, we had almost a fourth series worth of Dota with how much that Chimera series took.
We were, what, 1.6?
7.1?
7.1 and 82 minute game.
They just really were trying to get as much time under the Chimera banner as possible.
Yeah, we wanted to see more of Chimera, but unfortunately, we're not gonna be seeing him here anymore.
But good run!
Like, this team really surprises the most out of pretty much all the teams that we had.
It ended. They're probably gonna go to different teams.
We've already seen that Panto did join the new stack around the Tokyo and the others
But overall great performance some new ideas some fresh ideas that they brought to the table
Which I really like and it was two teams clashing that were on different trajectories that we saw
Chimera start off really strong but then started declining over the course of a group stage 2 whereas spirit just seem to have been powering up the entire
Time I want to say that and I hope it isn't at this max level yet because in that series
You guys have already said it. There were two games that went over the hour mark. That's a treat for us
Right, we love to watch late game doder. It's a whole different beast
But it did expose a couple of weaknesses
Paris vision would have been going back and looking at this spirit line up the spirit roster and being like
Hmm, maybe there are a couple of flaws in the way that they play and we can take advantage of so I want to see if
How spirit bounce back how Paris vision can potentially utilize but Chimera was so good at exposing in what spirit
we're doing. And maybe we can take a closer look at what was happening yesterday with one
of our other analysts, Purge, what you got over there on my balcony, my friend.
Hey Neil, so because ParaVision is about to play the series, I wanted to poke through
the Tundra ParaVision series to see like what did Tundra do that made these games
at times look easy for them. And I think I found something that they're using to edge
out their opponents and get an advantage. Now, a lot of advantage in Dota is about
like having more gold, more items in your opponents. How about these new artifacts
and then shards, they're important and the time you get them is important.
So, help the clips, please.
Namely, laning stage is important because what it does is it gives you an advantage
and with that advantage, it gives you more resources effectively.
Dracha here gets to flick the mag against the Darksteer, which is good for him.
He's going to spend his time stacking camps and denying these creeps.
The Darksteer basically can't lane very well after the lane went poorly.
And this gives Dracha a lot of free time.
He bought a really early Mask of Death and he used this basically to jungle
in between pushing waves. So he's basically just playing solo because they won that lane,
which gave him a lot of time to collect Mad Stone. And,
back camps. He stacked this ancient camp with Shockwave, that was very cool.
Clears this three stack with his Mask of Madness that comes, and then afterwards he cleans up
camps. And what does this do? Not only is he maximizing his gold gain, but it's also
giving them neutral advantage. Look at this. Nine min of fight, five neutral items on the
dire side, zero neutral items on paravision. They basically use all this early jungling
that they do to grab these items that give you sustain, they give you mana regen, they
give you HP, they give you damage, and then they take a fight with their opponents around
a tier 1 tower.
And if you don't, if you lose that tower, then you're in a bad spot.
Here's the second game, same thing, more neutral items while they're fighting at the 8-9
minimarket.
If they take this tower, that means taking the Tormenter afterwards is way easier.
And if Paravision doesn't show up with their heroes, they're not going to defend
the tower, and they're probably going to lose heroes.
So, basically by getting these neutral item timings before their opponents do, it pushes up their timing.
Their opponents have to fight. They can't just go clear neutrals now.
They're just behind because they just have less resources.
And so that might be something. If teams are on top of this and they start mimicking what 100 did,
it could be like the new meta for getting an advantage in the early game that we normally don't see.
So even though the net worth was kind of close, the items really do matter.
And even if net worth is close, I would say that most teams would probably be willing to spend like 500 gold on a mana draft.
So if all five players on Tundra have a neutral item, that's like a 2k net worth basically.
Yeah, and they're using those for each other. You can use the mana draft on your allies.
One of the games Dorachio got the trusty shovel, which is a little bit abnormal for a carry.
He was digging things up. He could give it to his allies if they want.
They just have more mana, more regen. They keep their HP full. They can keep fighting.
And they can pressure the map as a result of all those resources.
So I think that's one of the reasons,
one of the things that Tundra's doing right now
to get a big edge and that's part of the reason they won.
Well, let's see if PartyVision maybe takes a page
out of their playbook.
Thank you very much, Purge.
Now please join us down here.
Don't mind if I do.
Please.
I demand it.
Hey Purge.
Hey.
How's it going?
Really good.
Yeah?
So happy to get my, oh, this is my laptop.
Yeah.
This is my laptop.
I warmed it up.
Only I get the laptop.
So powerful.
So strong.
Because of all of that looking into the neutral items, would you say that maybe the offlaners have been particularly capable?
We saw Dorachio obviously farming up a lot of neutral ancients, but yeah offlaners do have a really good place to jungle now
They just retreat toward the old tormentors or there's two little camps there once medium once a large you can do those
You can easily clear those camps yeah, and it doesn't take much
You just have to clear like two camps and you give yourself four madstone
you give other people too madstone so it doesn't take much you just have to get
like two or three guys to clear two camps and it's gonna up your net worth how
about I look at two of the guys specifically what if I look at collapse
and a dm in our ace of predator head-to-head a pre-show head-to-head
because these offlaners have been a real topic of discussion lately purge but
you put some numbers to them yes these are their average kills per game
going into these players dm a little bit more of a aura and utility type
Offlaner so his average kills are a bit lower his assists are also a bit lower surprisingly
But this is this might be a little bit distorted because team spirit had some long games recently
Actually pushing up their average in those 80 mini games. That's how it is if I had like a gold collapsed fantasy card
Oh, yeah
Maybe the numbers won't be quite the same going into the next series
But their hero pools do have crossover, but they're not exactly the same
I feel like they're they're a little different between the two guys, but they're both fantastic players
Yeah, and both of them have been kind of getting an opportunity to spread their wings a little bit in
Group Stage 2 and in the playoffs, Collapse finally got his hands on the Magnus, which obviously is probably the most
synonymous hero pairing we've been seeing in a long time. DM has been experimenting with stuff like Dazzle,
but Lacoste, you specifically also had your eye on the Offlaners.
Oh, yeah, because there's some really nasty stuff cooking up from the Offlane.
There's a new trend that has been happening mostly from Collapse.
So if you can show the heroes that they've been up to in the recent week
We can start with the collapse because he's been playing a lot of underlord
We can see that he played underlord eight times
And this isn't pubs or pubs. This isn't pubs. This isn't pubs
Yeah, so he played only one game of professional in professional Dota with underlord
But you can check his win rate. The reason why this hero is so popular
Halbert this is his core item you build into ATOS you build into Glypneer which gives you 75 AOE
The faceless void has been banned twice, but he has never been exo far in the tournament.
This hero works really well from the offlane.
I think we're going to be seeing much more of him because time zone has been buffed.
It does freeze his enemy ability and item cooldowns, accelerate the ability and item
cooldowns for allies.
You're also building into Havins Halberd and then you start to scale.
You're playing with the time dilation.
He's very annoying, very difficult to kill and I think we're going to be seeing this
hero from the offlane.
Magnus, of course, as you mentioned, is his hero, and if we can see what DM has been up to,
he has been mostly playing the Night Stalker and Dazzle Night Stalker.
Again, the new build, it is also Halberd SNY, it gives you status resistance,
plus you also have level 15 Town, which gives you extra 30% status resistance,
which makes you almost unkillable.
And then you also have, of course, the Flakes that comes from this Night Stalker,
goes 9 class plays position for Night's Docker. Definitely a hero that is going to be contested
in this series and we also see Dazzle, something that DM has been cooking for quite some time,
had a lot of success with it in pubs and I think this hero has a lot to offer in professional
games as well. And that one's also a flex because we saw no one run it mid on party
vision as well. So it seems more like DM is refining the existing strategies that
party vision has whereas Spirit is trying to expand their pool, Collapsus trying to
figure out what new things they can introduce. Yeah it's um it is an
interesting one DM's like oh it's giving me success
in competitive you know I'm just gonna you know refine it and make sure it's a
little bit. Exactly. Whereas the Underlord we'd seen at once
didn't actually win for Spirit. It was really cool to watch it though.
I'll give them that. I love that both of these guys talked about the off-lane
but it's actually the supports, the position forwards that I think are
also a big influencing factor. This is maybe the first time that we've seen
and playoffs. Two fours have an overlapping pool to some regard. This task I think is going
to be a really highly contested here between them. But the way DM plays is he wants to be
left alone in lane and we actually see nine class rotate a lot to help say Tanik's lane.
A little bit sometimes the mid lane, but mostly yeah in that safe lane there. And I want
to know if that's why he's trying to refine his off lane pool a little bit. Whereas
It's like, I just really want to perfect this leaning phase into the end bit of it so that
I can allow Nine Claws in competitive to do a little bit more.
Whereas Clops is like, I don't know, I just really like Dota right now, it's a good patch.
Supports are very active, we had like two games yesterday, maybe even three games that
were not successful in game number one, when Spirit played, where they wanted to group
up around the mid lane, they talked about it in an interview, how it's very important
when you play against certain heroes like Storm Spirit, so you want to take away
his runes so I can definitely see I think there's a lot more emphasis on the mid lane in general because
there's no bottle refilling anymore so you got to secure those runes. The good thing is you have
trusty shovel which is one of the best items in the game because you can dig out the water runes
for your mid laners but there's so much more emphasis on both supports coming to the mid lane
we even see off laners we even see carries coming to the mid lane six minutes in just to
be able to secure the runes and also maybe grab a kill turned out to the tower. I want to
quickly say just before we jump into the draft I know that we're going to go
superhero specific is giving everyone a reminder of the history of these two
teams with these exact rosters they've matched up four times spirit of one two
and parry vision have one two these are all best of threes so only one of them
has actually gone the distance of a of a three game I like one of them was a
best of two but anyway the only one of them has gone to game three in a best
of three so right now they're split right down the middle and it has been
device very decisive of one team over the yellow I'm not sure what it's
going to bring for this series, but it does give me a lot of hopes that it's probably
going to be a very close match up either way.
That means that we have to break the tie, ladies and gentlemen, let's get into our low
bracket final.
Yay!
The Spirit is a really named team, and they have incredible players, but their gaming
idea right now is maybe not the best, the meta understanding of them being together
is maybe not in the right way, they can be really annoying to play against.
early. Wukong's command vacuum goes out but they're still a shallow grave. He doesn't even come close to time.
They play underneath the depth strap for a little bit but now only got hit by the axe.
Then the dark pack comes in late. He gets focused down rather easily.
But that looks so simple.
I think Parvizion understand meta better than others so they didn't lose any game.
The difference between very good teams and just good teams is rising up when Pudge is coming out.
Proceed! Nine classes in with a bunch of... He just dies mid-air!
They've got that much damage being pumped out from the terrain place!
The Hanz now, all on his own, is absolutely enough!
They can't stand anymore! Gigi is cold!
You can always play better, so we should play better and we can play better.
I'll just do my best at playing Goda, and I'll hope it will be enough to be victorious.
So I'll do my part and let's see how it will work out for us,
because everyone will do the same.
Thank you very much for the tear-pulling, TM.
Is it on top of them?
It's gonna be the jump up of us today.
I'm supposed to be kept in here, but let's try and see P.I.
He'll get away from this.
Law it off!
He's called the game's over.
GG is called!
It is all sorts of damage from all sorts of heroes' party mission.
As a whole, we'll outstale Team Spirit and take the series 2-0.
We got a lot, so I think it will be good.
We are confident about the revision.
Now elimination is on the line for one of these two teams and the winner will go on to a best of five.
But you're going to have to show some heroes off a purge.
We've seen two different approaches from the offlaners.
But are the other hero overlaps? Do you think I should keep my eye on?
I think heroes that can pivot and jungle effectively are really important right now
because it seems like there's a lot of tempo things that are going on right now.
Teams are trying to play quickly to take towers to set up for tournamenters.
So being able to kill like two neutral camps at the same time rather than like use a bunch of man to kill one camp
Then use a bunch of man to kill a second camp if you have some like bristleback or some neck or foes or some last track
You can clear camps more quickly
You can accelerate your madstone collection and that's going to give your teammates more mana regen or HP or whatever
They want as well
So that might be something that pro players are thinking about right now to up their tempo
They might pick some of your that's maybe not the most ideal meta pick
But it does fulfill the lane matchup they want and it gets in that neutral item timing that can really accelerate them towards getting a
Cold advantage and something that night class to talk about is choosing the facets
How he thinks of the heroes always choose the facet that is gonna win you the lane like you don't go for the facet
That's gonna provide you something 30 minutes into the game or something like a dark willow
I think a lot of people try to experiment with the new one that is tied to a cursed crown a lot of the times
You don't even see the cursed crown at the early stages of the game
So I think that's a bit of a different one the why he talked about is the night stalker from position 4
Back team on Tosca. These are position 4 heroes that can easily snowball the lane give you that extra pressure
It's something that you talked about to our DM is left alone
I think he is the guy that kind of wants to have that solo experience while 9 class is making the rotation
So yeah, there's a night stalker band. There's a nigga band as well coming up from team spirit
This is kind of DM's classics, which leaves some of the other heroes in the bowl that are mostly banned in the first phase.
So it's going to be very interesting what they're going to open up with, because it is Paravision that does have first pick overall.
Some of the usual suspects, there's going to be that Life Stealer that a lot of the themes did try to open up with, but we also seen Life Stealer being countered.
Life Stealer is available, Magnus is available, if Paravision doesn't want to take it out.
Instead, they ban out the Abaddon and the Monkey King and Spirit's last first-phase ban is in personal back.
I think my other thing about this draft before we do see the opening picks from both teams
is when they're going to pick up their carry here. For carry vision, they don't actually often
last pick satanic. They do every now and then, but it isn't the majority of what they want to do.
Both these guys, Yutaro and satanic, love to go for the hard carry styles. They want to out carry
the other opponents carry. So are they going to wait until the last pick for both of them
Is one going to feel more comfortable to pick it up in that second phase?
I'm very curious, I'm going to turn my eyes to exactly how they set up the bosses and to have their moments to shine.
I wondered if that was going to be the moment that Tiny finally makes it through First Face Bands because they were really thinking about it, but it did get banned.
I think it's very possible they snag their carry here.
Ursa is somebody that Team Spirit has been thinking about the other, obvious pick that they have to consider as the lifestealer, but that's why the Paravision opening is so good.
It's like they it's kind of good against both heroes you can get away from the Ursa
You can potentially RPM if there's a life steal you have solutions as well
So it might make team spirit want to see more heroes before they do pick the card
You could definitely see that there's a lot of emphasis on carry to carry matchup because there is a magnet
So you want to have a BKB piercing tool last time these two teams met
Both the times it was Phantom Assassin against Terrorblade and then Terrorblade against Phantom Assassin
And so, definitely could see Paravision looking for Phantom Assassin because this hero still
feels really good.
Her crit has been nerfed on Methodical Facet by 25-50-75 overall, she still doesn't like
damage, but if you want to get some of that extra damage, that's why Magnus is here.
Instead though, Spirit find more value in securing one of the most popular first
phase Bands and Picks, they get their Ember Spirit in mid.
There's actually only a 50% win rate for Larl. He's played it in six games. The fidget set
is not reflective of his performance on the Ember Spirit though, so I like it. Just something
nice and stable for Larl here.
I was going to say the overall win rate on the hero I think is probably higher than
that.
Yeah, this is specifically Larl.
Yeah, exactly.
And one of the games that Larl lost on the Ember Spirit was against Party Vision,
But Collapse was doing some underlord experiments in that game, so who's to say how much of
that was Laurel's responsibility?
Yeah, he definitely carried.
He had no issues.
And for party vision, this Magnus can very easily be a flex as well, so we don't know
if the carry-to-carry matchup is even visible quite yet.
It's only a little bit higher for Amber.
He's at about 60% tournament overall, so Laurel's not that far off from the normal.
And like I said, his performance on the hero itself has always been good, even if the stats
or the numbers might not directly reflect that.
Taking out the Bristle hero, I know it's a big DM1 hero, we've seen it recently also be
able to be flexed mid-wrestling, so that's specifically yesterday.
Oh, sorry, that was in the first phase.
I want to know how they're going to protect this Ember with this one band.
You have to use it on the Hoska.
Got to be crystal maimed, you've got to watch out for those frostbites, right?
A little scared.
Uh, yeah, I think a Haascar ban is possible.
It's a little bit early for them to pick it.
You could just keep it in mind, maybe.
I just feel like Ember can recover, you know.
Like, even if your lane's a little bit rough,
just hitting a side lane with some Blightstone
is already going to do a lot.
I think you've got to be careful about Phantom Assassin,
plus Warlock coming out from Paravision.
Let's see if Team Spirit decides to split the combo up,
because they have ban in the pick.
It is a very...
Like, the reason why this lane is so strong
Iron Shell from Warlock that allows you to stick on a target with your phantom strike which are with the extra slow
You're building into orb of corrosion
Which seems to be like the best item in the patch right now
At least when we're talking about these items that you have a lower gold cost
So team spirit thinking about this truly how they want to approach it
I mean speaking of Ion Shell Darkseer himself is not even a band part vision dedicates both their second-phase bands to
carries or I guess technically is terrible it could be a flex but life
stealers also taken out of the pool and it's worth noting this is the first time
the party vision have ever picked Magnus in this tournament so it seems like a
very spirit-oriented focus. The negative win rate on Warlock is a little
surprising but it's smart that they banned the PA to get that out of the
danger zone it's easier to do that than just to ban Warlock for example
because there's still other really strong laning 5's like Jakiro that
are almost certainly gonna get picked in this phase. Yeah I'm looking at the
Jakiro has a 5, this hero allows...
Amber doesn't like to play into Muerta, is definitely the one that could also come out.
Jakiro just feels super strong in the lane right now, gives you that follow-up damage.
Like even if you pair up Magnus with Jakiro, these two heroes can pretty much kill anything on the map.
But maybe not Amber Spirit, but other heroes are definitely going to be killable.
God forbid it's like an RP and ice path map or fire type thing, like the Teamfight combo.
Like, it's not very common that there's a Hero of Five that's like amazing at the lane,
but also has like really good team fight afterwards.
I guess Warlock is a good example of a similar hero,
but it just feels like to me like Jakirov can do anything right now.
And the global winrate that you saw in Warlock isn't necessarily indicative of Spirit's winrate.
You know, Spirit's Warlock winrate right now?
Is it 100%?
Yeah, but how many games?
One.
Three games.
Eight.
Wow.
I was saying, five out of seven.
Mothoshka has won eight out of eight games on Warlock.
And parry vision, maybe feel Rue's go-to four position that we see from him these days, and they lock up their support duo, they're going to take the tusk.
Yeah, I mean, this is also 9 classes go-to, if you would also like an impressive win rate on it. He has an 88% win rate across 8 matches, so not as impactful as the warlocks, but I mean, this man saves almost any lane.
lane. He has been able to do fantastic rotations on it. In fact, this task was picked up against
the Team Spirit Underlord in the previous time that Parry Vision and Spirit matched up,
and it just decimated the Underlord. He could not retreat with how well the ice shards were
placed and used, and it just kind of gave Satanic a free lane of farming this Underlord
over and over again.
Yeah, they have Darkshear available for them. I've been really digging Darkshear
plus Tusk combo because Darkseer has more attack speed nowadays, also super strong laner builds into
Halber, which is dispellable. I'm just thinking that Team Spirit they're trying to abuse the fact
that in terms of lockdown, there isn't that like guaranteed lockdown that it comes for Slark and also
Ember Spirit. We saw yesterday what no one can do when he was playing into literally no real
lockdown. He did go beyond Godlike, so trying to exploit that one more time. Just now in Team
spirit. I'm just talking about Timber in general. But the team fight definitely
gonna be there for both of these teams. I do like this Flark immediate response
to Tusk though because he knows it in the laning stage. He doesn't have to worry
about an ice shard block off. He can dispel the stuns that Paravision are
dealing with and they can potentially just leap out of danger and re-engage.
DM classic. We've seen it yesterday. Tundra did run it as a response to
Slark. The reason why this is so effective is with the new fa... I mean
It's the old facet. It's not the AoE facet. It's tied to the ghost route
It does allow you to reduce enemy region by let me just check the number real quick
I believe it goes it's based on the same as the restoration the max level 75 and there's a talent
I think as well that can increase it. Yeah, it's 15 extra. Yeah, it's it's kind of a nice counter
33 had a decent lane I would say it does also give them another way to do AoE and clear camps
Which is part of purpose, but it's certainly a lot about countering slurk
Yeah, in your attack segment, you did bring up the possibility of a Necrofos being one of
those heroes to accelerate madstone farming.
The downside that we saw of the Necro was, you know, it did unfortunately lose.
It looked really good in lane, and they had this fast tempo, but what happened is the
nullifier came out on the side of parry vision, and then this Necro just felt a
little bit lackluster, you know, pretty much all of his toolkit just fell flat.
I want to know what changes.
DM go a different build for himself. Are they going to be okay in this potential, you know, downhill
impact of a Necro? How can they bring it back? So that isn't as game-turning as it was when we saw it happen yesterday.
I don't know if there's too many good solutions other than BKB and 3-3 did buy it. In that game,
it also counts, the Nullfire also counters the Glimmer Cape that you typically want to buy on a Necro fuster right now.
Just high magic resistance and that extra HP, but it's
Yeah, BKB is truly like one of the only solutions.
You can also use your shard to like do a short-inch teleport to get away from danger,
but it has to be immunity. The hero is pretty countered otherwise.
Or you need mobility yourself. You need someone else on your team to go in first that you can do
like a fall-up reapers, get a lot of regen, and try to survive through the combo.
Is there any world where I should be considering this Necro to be a flex pick?
Like can no one take it mid or are you thinking they're specifically peeking it?
Yeah, most definitely, but also speaking of Flex, there is something that Collapse tried to do yesterday.
He was playing Offlane Ember Spirit.
I think people are trying to theory-craft slightly more to have that Ember Spirit being maybe played as position 1,
maybe being played as position 3. Most likely going to be played from the mid lane.
I wonder if Laurel convinced him to do that, because when we interviewed Laurel, he was like,
yeah, first place Ember is pretty good, because you can flex it into all three lanes.
And I was like, what? You can do Offlane Ember Spirit?
one of those things they probably shouldn't say on broadcast.
Um, I do have a question, Sniper and Shaker being banned out, are they believing that it's
going to be a satanic Magnus and if so, do we worry about this, maybe lack of follow-up
damage from Parryvision?
Yeah, you get a good RP, yeah, you get the, the, the eyes pop, the, the macro,
Is there enough though to completely utilize a good RP if one comes out?
Especially because now we're basically confirming it, Pango gets picked so Magnus is probably
Statenix Zero.
Yeah, there isn't going to be that much physical damage follow-up but I think one of the nice
things that Kerry Magnus does is he can also be the other frontliner.
He's just gotten actually so much HP that when his opponent is going on him, he doesn't
die that quickly.
And other than Slark, that is absolutely the case right now.
And since they don't have the last pick, they overall pick Pango on 23,
which does allow them to play this Pango from the mid lane or play it from the off lane
and then you have Necro fulfilling the same role.
And they feel like they need an extra bit of a damage, extra bit of a magic damage
to be able to deal with this Necro force.
So they go with the Sanking as their last pick.
I think this game is going to be very interesting.
I think both of the teams kind of got the draft that they wanted in terms of at least
because this feels like the draft was going in very quickly.
they knew exactly what they want to pick.
Same goes for the support duo.
We have DeKalus on Jakiro, nine class on his signature tusk.
I think there's going to be a lot of emphasis on the mid lane.
Yesterday when Spirit played with Jakiro,
we saw Miposhka being super active on the hero.
He was like 5-0-5 at the seven minutes into the game.
So we can definitely expect this game
to be a bit of a fighting one with a lot of action going on.
What I like to hear, we've got yet another Static versus Radon
showdown od pixel and a gunner which draft you feeling you think it's pretty
even across the board it's pretty even I actually like spirits draft a bit more
the Magnus carry does concern me a bit you have the same grievances that now
does you're wondering if damage is gonna be able to come out quick enough
against a Slark yeah I just don't like the matchup is mag vs. Slark I played
it from offline which I think is slightly worse than a carry mag but
even as a carry I think Slark is just good and warlog I think they're
both just good versus mag with the counter initiation the tankiness and
and how much this Necro tipped the scales.
We haven't really seen too much of this hero
other than yesterday.
I actually, I would have liked him more
if it was a Necro mid and Pango offline.
And he just kind of dumpstered the Ember.
But Pango's gonna probably lose mid slightly to Ember.
Not a big fan.
Not a big fan, but it's an elimination series on the line.
Let's see what Esthene cooked up
as we get into our lower bracket final.
Between team spirit and power region.
And now looking forward to this one, Gunner.
I'm looking forward to seeing if this is gonna work
out for Spray.
You guys already liked the Slark liner, but the Slark line-up of Slark draft where it wasn't the Slark coming out as the last pick, right?
They show it third, it's time for Paravision to react.
Overall though, you feel that it's still a pretty clean Slark game, there's potential here for Radon.
Yeah, I definitely like this Slark.
Yeah.
It's really interesting because this draft is very similar to Paravision vs. Tundra's Game 2 draft yesterday.
So Team Spirit is basically in Paravision.
Like they're drafts, because probably last night had Sark and Ember as their dual cores
and they played versus Tundra who had a Necro offline.
So I think it's pretty interesting that the beasts are swapping up positions and probably
Parry feels confident knowing how their match went yesterday with that.
The Necro kind of stomped the Sark and the lane in the offline, so it's probably
one of the reasons why they wanted this offline.
And I think Sark is usually really good versus Pango, so it makes sense why they're
in the lane setup and Pango's fine mid versus pretty much anything. I just don't know if
the game will go the same way because what happened yesterday was the start team won.
So, probably was the team with the start yesterday, they won game two, they beat Tundra and they
beat the Necro, but maybe they learned.
And they had to sort of do what was not able to be done against them in the last
time rounds.
Usually it's like the team that loses copies of the winning team strategy.
Yes, this is a bit of a different take on that sort of set of events, let's find out.
Of course, important series here to play for, winner will be going to the Grand Finals.
I lose this best of three, you are gone.
Still came third, pretty good, but nobody wants to be third, nobody wants to be second.
You want to be first.
Everyone wants to win.
You want to be winning.
Let's see who's got it in them here, between spirit and power visions, at least
smoke's coming out. Both teams very defensively positioned. We'll see Spirit do continue the
whole way around with this wrap around. They do paravigion are kind of ready for this.
Yeah, Pear's reading this. This is going to be super bad, I think. Unless Duke College
just goes alone. Yeah, but then a little hesitant on jumping
in by looks a bit. Okay. They don't want to start anything. Holding back on dropping
the skill points on most of their heroes. Okay, my push. Oh, no. I mean, he's
Still got collapsed by his size, tend to be set up with Root.
Jumping forward with his shield, Crash.
Trying to get in as well. The attack team of the borough strike is there from collapsed to hold the two of them back.
Now we'll have to skill the borough strike, but does stop Paraphysian.
Getting her first blood as the posh guy is able to walk away safely.
I'm surprised that I think both teams just didn't really commit.
They're all more scared than they had to be. Just a bit.
Niclas could have even won with the shards.
Probably would have secured the first blood on the warlock.
I don't think I don't think they didn't use a blood grenade. I think maybe they did but
No, I think it right there might not
When they went for that. Yeah, I mean which team was right to be scared
Was it was there kind of a clear if they did kind of just clash and go for it?
I think party would have won. Yeah, so it's good that spirit was
They were just playing because we walked up to high ground after seeing the chiro. It was pretty sick
He definitely always strikes me as a player that isn't scared to just do stuff
When he makes his own read which I think is really cool to watch
Because most warlock players or support players they see this you know
They see a watcher there or they see a jacquero and they were like oh his whole team could be here. I'm not gonna do this
No, I'm a push go he goes through and he gets to live another day. He does get through the courtesy of his team
Same game chase down here by nine class
Won't die, but don't take him quite the one chair from nine class
Also, this is letting Necro 1v1 on the Sark, which...
Super good matchup for Necro Sark really can't do much. The region doesn't matter, so...
DM will free farm. Anytime he gets a 1v1, he's gonna be super happy just to play it out.
And there's kill threat as well. Just, you know, Redog maybe misses a pounce, or he pounces in place, something like that.
He'll just die.
Absolutely. Yeah, gotta be careful on this lane.
Especially the fact they have that tusk. You know, one of the better supports for...
Being able to chase and punish a Slark after they're pounced still have to reach to catch them and trap them with the shards
They're going over dawn, but
You miss the pounds. Yep, they're able to block the pounce that should do it
Julie is there any chance of running? No, there's no first blood for nine class
Okay, they can they could they could do this quite a bit
You know any time yeah has to be careful with that close to us kids. They're gonna be able to trap him in in the shards
It's impossible to survive, took the stick charges under the tower, but the tag team is
gone.
Radan, can you get something in return?
He's in onto 9 class, he'll come out for DM, but won't save the toss.
So Radan, can you still find something in return?
Yep.
Ah, but still, huge win for Pari.
This is exactly when you pick Necro, Versaar 2.
The hero, I think this is only the second game in the tournament.
It was picked by 33 last time and I think it owned.
Got mine.
Should be fine.
That's going to be alright, hey Rue.
It's got the salvo ready as well, I'm more than happy to take those trades.
I like how the patch has developed.
I think the very first, say like four days on group stage two, a lot of the teams were
picking very similar heroes.
The last patch, not really much experimentation, but I feel like the last, especially this
kind of playoff stage has been a lot of new heroes.
I'm dead.
Got a three stick. Yeah, dude the stick chargers are gonna keep them fun close. I
Like necker is being picked more Magnus as a carry. We're seeing stanking as well was picked yesterday and today
So it's fun. I like these new heroes because people are starting to learn the map
The changes of the map will heroes need to do kind of you pick old stuff to counter other old stuff
And it's always fun to see what people do
Do you feel like there's any heroes that we were seeing at the start of the patch but we're
seeing less now and looking back it's kind of like yeah that was sort of a bit of a reaction
to the new patch and overestimating a hero's capability on it.
There's there's a pudge.
That's true.
We did have a few deaths of the pudge.
Yeah.
It was fun.
I also I also question Dragon Knight.
Yeah.
I know he has a high win rate but part of me wants to feel with there's a patch
that kind of fixed all the bugs around him that was increasing his damage I think the hero might be balanced yes
Maybe but what we're still saying to you get banned for first place every game
So you'll never see how strong it like I want one team to not ban it and if the hero comes early
You know grand finals that that definitely sounds like something Tundra will do you know they'll give it one game
They'll let it through they'll try and beat it. Yeah
And if not there their planets I can see in the best of five grand finals. That's why they're so fun
Yeah, you let one for yeah, you you have it's like a whole meta of
Okay, we can try this in the first game because we know they're going to do this and you have a strategy versus it and I
Know a lot of coaches and teams think this way that if you can be another team's primary strategy
There's like to try to talk then it's not over, right?
Yeah, it's like you either ban it because it's their main strategy
So you just give it the respect and you just never have to play versus or you find a way to beat it
And then it kind of messes with them because now you're getting an extra ban
And also whatever they're most confident about isn't gonna work.
I also have parries there. I feel that parry would do that, Hunter would do that.
Both of those teams kind of strike me.
Ooh, nice gear from Satanic.
Seems like he's gonna finish off Rururu's got the stick.
One more hit.
He's going in for it.
And he'll find it.
Re-kills already if his paravisions start off the main, 3 for 1.
Going really good.
I also do like this skill build.
So after after watching it a few times from Magnus's it feels cool
Going for like 044 and not going for the queue
Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially when you have a carry position. Yeah, we're specific to carry just yeah, it makes sense that
Skewer is actually really good spell and it lets you hit them multiple times whereas the queue is more of
Let's you get CS in the wave and you already have Empower to do a bunch of damage. So it's not really needed
I guess the star itself with the wrong length under is already there.
His stack is also a danger.
They can take this right yet, especially with this arcane room, no one's going to stick
around and...
Okay, no, he's a little scared.
Laurel's here.
Alright, fair enough.
I thought they would commit for that, so that the arcane going and ball charges,
but he didn't want to play at the risk of sticking around.
Highly likely that it would have been defended, I guess, you know, because that
was around, so no one doesn't push his luck, leaves the stack, B.
dying when your head is the worst. It's not too much gold, make sure you're giving him
two camps worth of stacks, maybe less than three. It is what it is. If Tukoskin pressurates
to XP, that's also good enough, so he's just taking, he's happy. And then we've got Ballin,
Rodon is still kind of feeling the pressure. Honestly, his lane is going much better than
I expected, maybe off of that solo XP. Yesterday, when I was watching this game, the Necker
Necro is up around 600 gold at this point in the lane, he's stomping the Slark and this one, Slark is ahead of Necro, which you definitely don't need to stomp the lane when this early game is super hard and be ahead as Necro, but it definitely helps.
I think a lot of the hero design is being strong enough to go in.
He's playing for a pretty hard team to just feel strong enough to go in.
There's just so much magic damage, and AoE random damage, silences, slows,
and also eventually I think Slark will get a nullifier, and it's going to be a somewhat tough necro game,
but I have confidence in DM.
Top lane, they're got the RP ready, Titanic closes the gap, the skewer locks down and collapse.
Titanic, having a very, very chill safe lane starts this one.
Oh yeah, he's up 1100 gold in the same game. Top Nairth in the game, completely free farm.
He also has two kills. I don't know where you'd want.
I was, I'm worried a bit about the Magnus in the mid game.
Spirit's Draft is just one of the ones that I think wins games
Looking at it if you think of a TI or a LAN finals
If you see Spirit's draft they're going to win in these high pressure situations because it's a lot of teamfight a lot of easy spells to
Click and a carry that can scale which is kind of all you want in a game
but
If partages gets ahead like this, they're up to K gold. None of that really matters when you can't ever fight them
There was an action mid
And there is backup.
So Lyle, it's not going to be able to completely push for this.
Nine class.
He's able to just TP in on top of Miposhka.
That's the warlock gone.
Lyle will be fine.
Still with Rammus at the ready, so they can't quite lock him down.
Still has Rubai's side.
And continue to try and poke at them.
And the fatal bombs.
Changed onto Kha'Lis.
The eyes past there.
Now with the rolling thunder threat, Lyle's got to get out.
Yeah, no one will hold back on casting it.
I'm just enough to scare the Ember away.
Still super good pressure.
Just all three heroes, 30% health, pretty much all watching Bayes.
It's the power of Ember.
Super strong hero.
The panel is even talking about flexing into offline, which did happen sometime last year
when Ember is a super popular hero.
But I think often more times than not, you put it mid, because the hero itself is so
strong at this mid pressure in these 3v3 situations.
with it being a 2v3 they end up winning the trade and it's more of a question of
if he's gonna have enough impact to deal with party heroes and I'm not 100%
sure it's gonna be I would say a lot on the warlock in the same team to kind of
have this extra AoE damage for teamfighting. Slider fist the rune.
Well, it's got the chains. I mean, Radar, yeah, he's got a pounce out of this one, but no one will look to chase.
Shadow Darn's being used here by Radar. Well, Tanya's best at Duke of Rolling Thunder, but they're still in on top of him.
The heals are more than enough to keep Radar on fine, though.
As Radar gets out, the M was starting to walk across, but there'll be no fight to be had here.
Meanwhile, Seitanic, this is just... It's getting rough between these two, right?
He's getting so much less out of the lane compared to Statenac with what Statenac has been able to do.
I mean, it's a 6k net worth.
Well, a 2k net worth difference here between these two top laners at 10 minutes in.
Yeah.
A lot of that has been kind of 1v1.
I don't expect this lane to go this bad.
I've seen the main is usually...
He does good.
He has good damage.
He's getting these kills.
But getting killed, three kills.
Collapse, keep these bar 2, he needs to get something out of this.
A 9 class? He's got him pretty deep here.
He needs more than this. Maybe a DM? Oh...
Parasite's not going to quite have the range to catch him to DM.
So the supports of Paravision are dying.
The cores however, yet to full.
So not yet a sort of a challenge that Team Spirit have been able to succeed at.
Killing the cores is not going to be easy apparently.
That's Clark. Let's catch him to Lyle.
He's no mana.
He's completely out.
Shield crash in, macro pie down, Lyle to fall.
Paravision, they have no trouble killing the cause of T-Spirit in this early game.
Radon has the ult.
They...
Okay, they're not going to chase.
They're not going to go crazy.
But yeah, I think Pango's off to a super good start in this game.
He had Diffusal Blade for that bot rune fight two minutes ago.
So, just burning the mana of the Ember and the Smart
March is super high value and it's hard, it's weird just behind.
I mean, this is on track to almost certainly be one of the faster Masked Man's Echo Saber
timings on the Karamag.
Yeah, definitely.
This is crazy stuff from Satanic.
Just all of his timings are going to be pretty insane.
Look at that.
Three minutes faster than the average.
He did skip boots, but still just pick Ember Matchup 2 is not really one of Pinglo's
best matchups.
Even he kind of free parms, but to have this good of a game is really impressive
I'm curious what spirit wants to do. I think they so they have to make sure in the slark
They do have the warlock ult as well. It's probably they have to find
The pango. Yeah, just like do a chains into the mortis bells the silence
You also have the blink dagger now finish for collapse. They need they need something to be done
It's got to be around the blinker collapse. I think that's the key one. I mean look at this
12 minutes in it's a level 12 Magnus. Yeah a minute a level here so far from satanic
You don't see that every day not from your safe liner as well
Maybe from the mid when they're popping up up from the carry
Stuff and maybe from a me punk. Yeah, just your position one. That's them crazy leveling. Definitely
The new and power facets looking super solid
I think every time I think we want to just do it a bit Magnus because it's not that often for carriers that play this hero a
a lot of them just it's usually been a midder and off-lane hero so I don't think
many of the carry players have practiced it I know some have always kind of liked
it and it takes getting used to just as a hero to get used to the RP's get used to
how you have to use skewer and he's gonna go use it on mid probably 14 or
depending on how this fight goes it could be a really big swing one way or
the other yeah I don't know if you want to go for this part it's got to be a
crazy jump from collapse I said all eyes on collapse to see what it can
do with the Splink Dagger. It has to be some beautiful jump with the FP. Give them a chance
to turn a fight in the mid. Ice buff. Oh my goodness.
He goes into the Statenik. Nice. Still trying to get away from him. Statenik, he's going
to be able to close the gap, but Nolan still finds him with a rolling thunder. Collapses
in, but he's just going to get R-peed, beating down. He's able to get the first
strike off, so he'll step back a little longer, but into the macro pie and the
show crash, he still ends up dying. Statenik, he survives. They've lost three of them.
Radan's trying to spend money at this moment in time, he just doesn't have the damage as the slug.
See, Tannix gives forward, they got the snowball onto Radan, a buyback will come out here from collapse.
They're all fed up on this.
He's in with the bar strike, rule makes it take out at least the big ones, see Tannix.
Can he get more with this buyback though?
DM can stay on top of it, blade melts at the ready.
See, they keep coming in from M, but they'll get the bar strike back in over the walls.
DM, they will manage to punish the Necrophos as well, so the buyback from collapse
Definitely get some work done, but it's still a bit of a painful moment there for spirit
power vision
Overall it's something pretty even trade it is but with the buyback taken into account you do lose gold for the buyback
So it's a slightly for party
But I think just this injection of gold and XB matters a lot for spirit because of how the game was going before him
They do lose their spark and they don't take out the pango
so Panger's still having a really happy game, but I think this was the kind of fight that
Spirit needed. A big commit died where they're able to get all their spells off on the Warlock,
on the Sankeen, even the Ember. It's more impactful for Spirit, but the fight was even.
Sure, but I guess now they don't have the Golem and Starchford.
Yeah, now they're going to lose the Tormenter.
Yeah, the buyback definitely worth, but not enough to sort of shake up the advantage
the paraphrase in half. The game is definitely still all parry right now.
And look, 5k lead. Spirit find a chance to do that again around the next set of
ultimates. What a lane. I mean they're looking at the DM in 9 class. They're only
two. I'm gonna try and start something. We're done and I'm towards the task.
And this should be enough for the starters coming in. Okay, he's gonna get the
charge to get the snowball off but then there's no way out for 9 cost.
Look grenades down, get the stack for Radon.
That last fight did kind of encapsulate my concern with the Magnus carry first, specifically
two turrets drop.
Oh man.
And with the epic, is it enough he's able to get the shield burst off but the flight
change comes in, it absolutely is.
Collapse.
Okay.
Doing some good stuff here, first with the buyback now, finding the chance to
get the solo initiation onto the pango, doing his best to redeem what was a bit
of a tough laning phase up top against a tannic they're definitely getting the
kills that they need all across the map the game is not amazing for them but
when we need to keep my drafts you have big ultimates really easy to click spells
that just do consistently high damage unless the enemy seems unkillable then
the game is always playable the only big my biggest concern is this necrophos
I don't know if they can kill him. Okay. I see DM walking through a fatal bond
Can't go him, you know a epicenter and they're just surviving with half health. Look look at his items
He has a glimmer cape. He's got S including. He's got a blade mill
He's he's a really strong necrofos. Yeah, and who wants to go on? No one
They like they can't but the yet the the best initiation is just thanking right now
Collapse, he doesn't want to blow his spells on this Blimikake Necro.
No, because if you go in and you use everything on Necro and he doesn't die, you're gonna lose the fight 100%.
So I think for Spirit they just want to dodge him, play for...
Any other hero is worth it, especially Pango.
Pango's probably the best kill they can get, or the Magnus, before his BKB.
Paravision, look for the setup around the bit with the smoke.
Eyes on Radan, they're way out the dark pack trying to look over the ice pub.
Rolling Thunder's not gonna catch on the Radan either.
So a bit of a failed initiation there from ParaVision. The question is if Team Spirit punish it.
They're looking. They might look to.
And again, DM at the front, it's just not the appealing target to jump for.
Yeah, if they find any hero not DM. Yeah, they would go straight away.
They're gonna try and see if they can get the wrap rounding.
Get an angle onto the teamfight that doesn't involve them running into DM first.
They've got the column, they've got the epicenter, they've got the tools ready to go.
All right, so they're drawing lines
Ducalus is saying that they're smoking into satanic and that they're gonna go smoke at this top leg area
And so satanic just like yeah, okay. I trust you. He goes all the way back to his two three
He's sitting literally under his tower right now
He's gonna go from this one camp, would you?
You go listen to Ducalus
Ducalus, I did it. Just this one camp please. It will get away with it. Yeah, he'll form the same. Yeah, he's fine
Staying as deep as possible and indeed get a team spirit. They don't sweep that far
Now sell us a pressure onto the tier one tower. We're done pushing in
I love seeing map draws because you see didn't replace to it's really fun to see when you smoke or other teams smoke
What the enemy team's responses are and your calls were perfectly like he was a hundred percent right
They literally spoke to this exact two camps that he circled on the map
Don't players are smart
They're cut they're good at this game. They're kind of okay
Well these moments that, when we're staying redone, really start to catch up in farm.
He's not that far behind that of Satanic's Magnus.
Nope.
A good recovery from him.
Aghastan, going into the SMY, BKB next.
The big thing is his XP.
Satanic is just super far ahead, level 15.
Also with the build people are going, it's just a bunch of stats.
Collapse?
Collapses like I want to go but I also don't want to go. Maybe they want to go now because they've baited for it a bit more
It allows them to get the bar of strike over towards nine class
But now he's been skewed so far away from his team state panic just pulls collapse away from any potential backup
So they can take him out and this is not a chance of T-Spirit to connect to it
No one he'll chase over towards Mboshka. They're at the slow of the diffusel sets up a DM to walk in slap him down
Take out a second. I
I mean we're staying just with the way Paravision can set this up how difficult it is
The team spirit to find a chance to jump. Well see Rodan trying to let the fake tannic
The RP gets dark packed it off roof dying to the macro pie during the pierce the veil is the lot of double kill
Now he's in with a punch up and stable control onto Rodan Rodan can't jump out of this and the buyback from a posh
Yeah, it's not gonna do anything to turn the outcome of that fight paravision
They take it and we're just seeing yet. It's what you say just how difficult it is
the spirit to find an angle to start the fight successfully would collapse.
I thought it was a bit weird of a jump to go when your spark kind of has to use his
ult and his double jumps to survive. I thought the intro to the fight was pretty okay with
Radon baiting, but the second that they fully commit in and they try to take the real fight,
I think it's too far. And it's definitely a net worth issue. They're just they're behind the gold.
They are strictly weaker than party even if they're spells so they just have to play better
It's like this jump from collapse I think was too far look at this whole team
They're all just cut off by the necrophos, they're all, there's a, there's a Roshan too
Walking through the river, physically cutting off the entire team of teams through it
Yeah I mean I guess that that is the thing, it's like
Even if collapse can get past the necrophos
They've got to be coming from an angle where follow can also get past the necrophos
The DM's able to just sit there in front of everybody, Spirit's gonna have an issue in each of these teamfights.
That's DM, 4-1 and 6. It's gonna pretty much have the SMY done for the next teamfight as well.
I don't know what you do, how do you fight around this Necro?
I think you just pretend he doesn't exist. You're best to not kill him. Hope your Ember presses...
But you can't go, like at this point, we're just saying this is just a bad position at the map to try and do that.
Yeah, Midlan is just hard to do these jumps. Also, just let Parry walk into you.
I think the fact that Collapse blinks in past the Necro is what makes it bad.
Take one of the fights where you never go in until they go in on you.
It's a hard game to play. Unkillable heroes are just...
Not that fun. It's the green heroes. It's always the green heroes.
Viper, Death Prophet.
Are there any fun green heroes that everybody loves?
Pogno?
He's kind of annoying with healing up his teammates and stuff, but no, I won't give you a pugna.
Not really, they're all the annoying ones.
Maybe Ty. Everyone likes Ty, he's a friend and a fellow.
He is unfilled with them. Do you know that all the green heroes are really annoying to kill?
Or just annoying in general?
Who is the squishiest green hero?
It's pugna.
Yeah, but he's got the Crypt of Fire and Life Train.
But you're right, even with the...
So are we green enough?
No, no, no, no. Not green enough.
You're probably right. It's probably a Pugna. But even then, yeah.
Still not fun.
Well, Roachamp, it's gonna be Power Visions.
Spirit won't choose to try and set up fight.
As they're looking towards those PKBs really, Radon wants to get his PKB done.
Lolls, and then he got his Radiant.
Yeah, I was gonna talk about that. It's pretty interesting.
It's gonna be a late one right?
Oh, he used it.
That's damage.
That's what I was just talking about.
They're for a long time, 70 seconds.
What does the radiance do for you?
It's a scaling item. It lets you do a lot of damage.
You end up being in burn range of heroes,
most of the fights with light,
because it's still burning while you're sliding.
So, I think it's kind of a,
oh, we need a lot of damage.
It's the biggest damage item you can buy on Ember
at this point in the game.
It's also more AWE damage which will help with the fatal bombs.
You can see in the last fight, even pretty much with just Ember and Warlock, they almost
killed Tusk and Magnus with just the fatal bombs kind of near the end right before Sark
died.
So maybe if he builds this more damage, also it's tankiness a bit.
It's fine.
I think the biggest timing for team cheer will be maybe a nullifier so that they
can actually just kill DM.
I don't even know if he would die though, they're not firing to get snowballed by 9th class
So this is the game?
I think they can bail him out
Whoa, close
That's always risky, you get caught in a punch, you know, Statenac can follow with the RP
and you're dead, doesn't matter who you are
This could get pretty scary pretty quickly
Now we're just 23 minutes in
Well you can feel that Paravision already very close to teasing with the idea of approaching the base of Spirit
all takes one five-man fatal bombs epicenter warlock alone wait we're not
potential of that earlier oh that's this career against not the radiance that's
that's gonna put two minute 20 second additional timer on in getting his
radiance done that hurts good news if they wait out the whole drink good news
what's the good news well there's an ages on satanic for about two minutes
and 58 seconds. So, you wait for your radiance, agents will expire.
I guess, I'm in. Good news is relative. Yeah.
Microplied down on the roof, supports to the backlight.
Well, I was trying to get in there, Radon has made, everybody jump now.
Barra Shuck is what there's to damage with the fatal bombs.
The supports are gone. Now, what about the cores, DM?
They're jumping to the high ground, no one's got the rolling thunder.
He's on top of collapse as well, collapse.
Caught by the RP, they've caught both of them. Collapse is gone.
He was trying to get off the epicenter at the side of the fight, but no one just did not let him.
Half-boon to pull back Miposhka.
It doesn't matter if you're killing these supports, it's the cause of Para-Vision.
A little too tough.
Well, they counter-pass from Spirit to Tackle at the moment.
Imagine if the Radiance, they actually might have been able to fight those things.
Just a bit better. With the Evasion, maybe someone gets...
He would have had it, yeah.
An extra tank, maybe Collapse lives there.
Yeah, well, unfortunately, he got the carry, but yeah, State Tannick got the carry. He was the one who took it down earlier
Honestly, it's still not the worst fight getting two support kills, but they do
On the plus side, you know, he didn't get epicentra off, so he's gonna have it up when he's back in 10 seconds collapse
Perfect, but it was the golem use. That's the big cool-down go
Paravision, tier 2 taking in the mid, they can let's swing around and push down on the
top lane and I wouldn't be surprised if we see them trying to tease for the high ground
push with this last minute of the ages, they're that strong right now Paravision.
There's a Tormentor up there.
Who did Paravision?
He jumps in for this, they're going to try and combo him down, he's got the
BKBs, Pants towards, they're trying to get the kills, they're trying to get
Steal back on the clouds, but Stigtank will fall the once. He's gonna have the Aegis there, of course, back for round two.
Radhan's gotta be careful, Lyle. Trying to get onto no one, but no one's gonna get the rolling thunder off.
Get the angle onto Lyle. Lyle gets shredded here by the pango.
And Radhan, he's gotta run. No one.
Bouncing around, fully controlling him, kills him as well. Triple kill for no one.
They tried to fight Gunner, but it's just not working.
It's not. It's two fights in a row without the ember radiance.
They take. And I think it matters, this item matters so much. It's 5,000 net worth that Laurel's missing.
Just to force these fights. Imagine how different the game would be. I actually
think the game would be so different if that core didn't get signed. I think these fights
would have been closer. Maybe they get an extra kill, maybe an extra survive.
They might be able to kill no one there before he gets his roll off.
Another one here for the Pango, no TP for you Miposh, give her the Ice Path, coming in from DeKalis.
And Pango's looking really good, the panel hates Pango. Why does the panel hate Pango so much?
The numbers aren't good, but those numbers are across this patch in the last fight, and a lot of games, and a lot of games from a lot of teams that just weren't too great.
So I feel like the stats are kind of skewed. They're fake.
fake stats. Because when you see it in the hands of someone like no one, looks pretty good.
I'd also definitely all, I think he's okay. They had to chase him in the silence. If he was like stuck in the silence getting
from the silence he could get him. Even then though they don't have any vision on
this high ground so he's trying to come out of the ground. Is he going to chase?
I would this is oh
He
Might have a died there
Maybe not a root room probably will die here if he's not careful. Yeah, Laura go get the shield room. There's a shield room there
Lara well
Did he just get baited?
He's dead root. Is he out of the CP?
That was a sick bait, right?
Wait, but then we do room pasta match. He said hey brother's a shield bringer
Yes, I'm not.
Rue was standing on the shield root, and he's like, yo, yo, Laurel, get the shield root.
Oh no.
Okay, I'll come.
Oh no.
I did Rue lives too.
Not like this.
Sometimes you gotta die for your core.
You die with your core at least, because, you know, people feel better when there's
like a team game.
Both kids and the folks are gone.
Why is that push?
They'll have them in the back of the 20s.
And then they will have all the ultimates.
Golem, the epicenter, it's there in red.
The failed ones as we've seen, they can make the play. They're gonna try.
Here it is. Chains stunning down, stays standing. Snowball is gonna come out, give them a bit of safety.
He gets the half-boost. Go back onto the two cores. Collapse is gone.
Rodan, take the BKB off beforehand so we get the chance to bounce back up to the high ground.
Temper's up.
But it's another trade that, again, just does not favor that... of spirit.
I guess on the plus, they push back for the push.
Coming up from Paravigio. Defended.
But they're losing a core, only getting a support.
Decalus!
He's out.
Radon doesn't seem in time to catch him with a pounce.
They're gonna try and smoke though.
I feel like every single fight, they're missing some component of their fight, whether it's
like the Embers Radiance, or the Embers being alive, or maybe the Sankeeng just kind of
dies.
I haven't felt like Team Shirts made this one really big hit move, that they all
clicked all their spells and see what happened.
And it keeps, you know, the later and later you wait.
At this point now they're down 16k gold, it's way easier to say, oh guys we should just click
all our spells on them when you're down 3k, 4k, 5k gold, 16s a lot, that's a big number
at this point.
And they just haven't been able to take that much from Pyrovision in terms of objectives
or map pressure at all, you know, we're 30 minutes in, Spirit's only taking the mid
tier one tower and the top tier one tower, there's still a tier one on the bottom.
Yeah, only two towers at this point is not good, that's one of the reasons they're
are getting about farm just amongst everything.
Slark has also not felt that scary in the map.
I don't think parties felt, oh, this guy's just constantly scouting us, jumping us, poking
us, even killing.
He kind of only is able to fight in teamfights, which is basically Slark's worst fighting
is teamfights.
And I guess that's something as well to do with the heroes, the spirit.
They don't, you know, which of their cores wants to hit tower?
They don't.
Not really any of them.
Is that some of this overlooks sometimes you think in drafts or it doesn't really matter if you have a hero that's going to be able to take towers
in the kind of the first 30 minutes of a game? How important is that?
I think if you have heroes that push our lanes very easily or play the map it doesn't matter because once you get enough gold you can anywhere hero can push towers
So you can think like Ember mid, Sark mids
Right, little jump
Doesn't even get the chance to touch the ground again after he gets punched up by nine class
guys that quickly.
Someone's got to get back for a defense.
There's no tier two, so they can go for the tier three and racks on all lanes here, Paravision.
There's nobody at home on Spirit.
Here we go.
Seven seconds for the Catech offering.
BKB.
Oh, they're going to fight.
We're down in the trees.
No one checks out the tree line, but Dan's going to BKB and shatter us to start
off this fight.
So jump off the boots towards Static!
But it was an awkward start there from Radon.
Awkward start from both teams.
I agree with it. You know Static with the RP, Radon gets forced to BKB and Shatterdance
whilst he's kinda stuck in the trees.
I don't... No, I don't like this chase though.
It's a risky chase.
But they feel they're gonna take the risks right now, his spirit.
Radon's in.
He's got the temp strapped.
Now Shatterdance back in a second as well, wants to see if he can keep chasing.
Sort of basing in there, teasing him in.
Took the ghost shot at the ready, collapsed, he's in with the combo, but does he have anyone in enough damage to threaten DM?
DM's able to jump over to the side, get out of there safely, they'll drop the golem down,
and no one's able to roll up, Static has to steer back on to collapse, takes him away from the team, and takes him out.
Rodan jumps in onto no one, they'll catch no one with the silence, they'll kill up the pango, but can they escape?
As Static turns towards Rodan, Rodan gets taken out. DM will finally fall though.
They're more than happy with this and they get a plus one. This is the best trade that they've had so far this game
And it's not over yet. They're gonna come out jump off for a second. It's even the science on a brew
Roo's gone the state honey. He committed it for this one. Lyle turns towards them and say taniq a lot to steer away
Let the snowball over the wall flow
Well, I'm close to the snowball blink off
But that was close they taniq did nearly come to an end at the end of that fire
And a really cool thing, so Laurel actually, right there at the end, he drops his remnant
because he thought that the Tusk and the Magnus were going to commit to kill him
and he was getting ready to like buy back and get a double kill.
But they end up being too scared and honestly a really big win for Spirit.
Absolutely.
It was a bit scary to make the call to chase.
Obviously there's no RP, there's no pango roll.
So they're kind of fighting into a lack of two major ultimates from party that are all this control.
and they take the fight. I think that kind of shows the amount of damage that
Team Spirit has just built into the heroes. Just based on their spells, based on the AOE,
especially fatal bonds, it lets these like little chip spells like standstorm,
which at this point in the game most heroes aren't actually that scared of.
Do significant AOE damage. And Maro's starting to feel strong. He's starting to feel like
the embers in the games that we've been seeing this whole tournament yeah he's
getting up there top the network for his team catching up to that DM's a little
bit of a way to go to be there on the level of no one and so down it next
fight once again for our vision I'll be able to turn up with the ages they're
into the pit in spirit they won't look to do anything about this one so they've
dealt with them once there can they do it again can they do it into the
just on no one. I think they have to ignore the pango either they focus him and
he comes back a second time and they won't kill him or he uses roll and he's
kind of much less impact in the fight. In an ideal world what happens is they
satanic blinks in trying to be aggressive he gets stunned by maybe a warlock
or a golem and then they fatal blots and they kill everyone when they try to help
satanic. He's so tanky that he's just this body that splits the damage up
between everyone. It's like they have to do so many things and you think of party
it's like okay Magnus just still Rp one of the cores just poor shot him. DM don't
die. No one you have two lives like it just there's so much pressure right now
on spirit to be able to kind of win these fights it's hard. Party gets to
talk about their comms how they want to move on the map the time is they're
waiting for like the more casual important things or is I think a lot
spirit is how do we take this fight who do we focus what spells we have to use do
we have to bait stuff it's it's a lot more that's on the plate for spirit
the other big thing that fight was so satanic misses RP at the start so I
think ember side of fist dodged it when he blinked into the base so not only
satanic blinked in very aggressively but he misses his RP and got stunned so
that was pretty much a worst case scenario for parry and it still wasn't
you know that close of a fight and now Satanic's out of refresher so two
RPs two BKBs two bloodthorns even yeah I mean that that that's sort of the
recipe 10 the game right yeah if Satanic gets an RPL to sort of a lot of fun
there's a lot of refreshers this patch the games later I like I expected the
patch to be much faster with the the new way that jungles are the it's
going to get collapsed.
He's off the bike.
I thought the map changes would make it faster, but it feels a bit slower, which is pretty
surprising.
And just these late game heroes, AOE team fighters, I think the tanky heroes got a bit nerfed,
so now it's back to this, you have one tanky guy-ish, and then a bunch of teamfight
behind him, rather than just two, three tanky heroes that all fight together.
We got it.
No one's in.
Thank you Lord, but of course has the Aegis.
It's ready for round two, Statenix watching with the sides, so you can find any sort of jump.
They're gonna try and look for Rodan, but Rodan's able to get the Shadow Dance off and escapes.
Jump forward now for Lyle.
He's inaggressively on the front lines, they've got the punch up.
Lyle's gotta be a little careful here.
As you'll see that potential, Statenix fresh with that Threshing that refresh, you're coming in with a second RP when he sees necessary.
20 seconds still until Collapsus back in, Miposhka ball falls, Statenix.
Junk's four, now the buyback comes out from M'Poshka.
Collapsed, they're wanting to hold back on his for the next 10 seconds.
Satanic falling low, put the refresher now!
He's gonna be ready to jump against soon,
does have the fatal bonds on him for now, though.
He can't blink as long as Diem is on a tour.
Collapsed his back in.
They have to be aware of this second RP threat that's coming in from Satanic potentially.
Jump forward to stun.
The stun is on Zalala, gets caught.
Where's your baguette?
We're pulling at the opion of the three of them!
Radar, he'll be able to get the dart packed off, but Ruz gone!
Come out with the buyback immediately
Look at a wall DM. Dm will get chased down the glimmer's there doesn't matter. They've got the vision of the side of this
They'll kill DM. They'll look to say Channing. They'll also catch him on the escape to spirit. They'll get the cleanup
Do I to spend quite a bit for it's the triple buyback Miposhka, Lyle and Rue paying to get back into the game there
They keep the game going. They get to live another day
Look at the damage from Miposhka. He did the most on his entire team
doing 8.6k damage, just the bonds you see, the whole screen is covered, you know if it's
happening and a bit deep, I think that no one blinked using his first life was a bit
too much kind of greed that the Aegis kind of gets wasted for nothing and still though
it does end up costing them a lot, it's three buybacks, it's not a cheap fight win and
The big one is Laurel. Laurel, having to use his Bi-Beck is...
That was kind of their trump card. I would say for a fight, you...
...wanna be able to use this Bi because he gets the remnant after he dies to just secure the rest of the fight and they've used it.
So now the next 8 minutes, they can't... Laurel has to play even safer. If he...
Just one RPG, one punch from Tusk kills him. The game might be over.
Absolutely. Yeah, there's next, yeah. It's the classic next sort of 7 minutes where...
It's not stressful.
If they can't live through this for a while, then the chance of them being able to turn this game around really opens up, but they have to survive this next 7 minutes.
There's no Magnus, 20 seconds.
Radhan? Look at what D'Karlis does, with a little bit of a bait.
Radhan has to put the Shadowdance to run, no one's going to try and chase a little bit.
Has to be careful of themselves, collapse of waiting to back up Radhan from the side.
I think the thing that no one didn't respect in the last fight was the Orcid, either he didn't know it or didn't see it.
He has nothing to dispel in silence.
So an Orcid from the Sarkhanim was pretty much a kill unless the Tusk is able to come in and save him with a snowball.
And save him from DM, I think. Yeah, DM has no way to purge the Orcid either. So it's a really cool Orcid from Medan.
He bought it pretty late. Usually people fight Orcid as an early item because it's relatively cheap now.
But he buys it after all the dispel slots are already taken up.
And so no one really is going to have it besides Satanic.
And now you see even DM is going to go for a BKB next item.
next item. I also think something interesting is due to the Lotus change
that the bigger Lotus is are way easier to get now it's actually a big buff to
Necro because I think it's you heal more right when you're in the
Ghostrun. Yeah quite a significant north by a 90% more yeah a max level. I just
know some heals are weird with it that's somewhere like flat but I'm
pretty sure with healing the Lotus it works with Ghostrun. Yeah I think popping the Lotus is like popping a
one. Yeah, the restoration. So, honestly, these little changes, people start noticing
after playing the patch. You start looking at your picture. Wow. Okay. I actually have
these 900 health notices. Maybe these heroes are good. Maybe Oracle. Maybe we didn't that
was unpictured this tournament. Or did we get one game? I think liquid one again with
it. You're right. I think we definitely feel like there's a liquid in San Diego
Oracle. Radan? This is a weird positioning. I mean, they get the job, they're doing a lot
of damage to Statenac, but he's still able to get the BKB off. And now trying to tank
at the angle. He's got the RP locked down onto Waddan and collabs with Radan. Look at the
B into Walsh with the second RP, off to collabs alone. It's enough to kill off the Statenac.
Statenac, we stay on the way, but he's surrounded. Statenac falling low. He's out,
but a buyback straight away. He knows that if they take this fight, the lack of buybacks
Some spirit are gonna hurt them big time get the jump on to my posh. Yeah, my posh goes out
Well, he'll be able to take away rule also will survive, but it's just the two of them now
for the next minute
Lyle and Rue against the world
They were gonna get one bounty room it will be starts by back
And can anyone get out there it's got to be lull, but there's no no there's not about it. Yeah, it's gone
this push
Could be pretty devastating for spirit
They're doing the couriers.
The 33.
They didn't grab the whole wave. It's a paravision, I'm gonna care too much.
Still got a super melee creep coming in.
Couple of them here.
Bottom lane. It's 30 there as well.
20 seconds till collapse.
We'll see how much damage paravision can do before the respawns come in.
The bottom racks, it's gonna be gone.
So they're gonna have time to look towards the top as well, get the mega creeps.
Yeah, I don't know if they can end the game, but mega creeps is definitely possible I definitely on the table by the side of the fortification
Depends how scared they are collapse. Ah
I would be that scared
Claps would have to blink in a commit and you don't want to commit until the warlocks up or the slur
He could sacrifice himself to make space for a dog, but it's asking a lot
Maybe maybe they're actually able to hold okay
Okay.
The put- Sni-Tenek's scared.
I think- he has no BKB, right, still?
Or he- I think it just came off cooldown.
And no buy.
And again, I feel that- they- they still feel there's not too much pressure.
It's not like the buybacks from Lala coming up super soon.
It's still two and a half minutes on the potential buyback.
A cooldown for the Ember Spirit.
Also Roche on top.
Oh yeah, there you go then.
Get the Roche, get the Aegis.
You're gonna have to time- you're gonna have the time to push in.
With this Aegis, whilst Spirit don't have the luxury of everybody on the team having buyback.
I don't know how much the roast change that you can see the general timer matters for players
Because there's a whole big thing of you shouldn't go high ground or force stuff when Roshan can't spawn or because that's a fun
It's a huge bro
If let's say they push that high ground and they somehow get wiped then now not only did spear wipe them
But they also get Roshan so it's like a really big risk and
I think now it's just way more obvious when you're playing the game. There's like this really big
numbers and it's like Roshan can spawn on the bottom pit in the next two minutes
it's way easier to think about smoke up for spirit double smoke all 10 heroes
are smoked. It's all about whoever gets the jump so DM still gets popped he also
pops the embers just with the side of fist. Now what's the buyback right now?
It's Slark has his Slark and Sanking. So both of those heroes are able to get
jumped or take these like long extended fights.
One minute for Lolls. The big one. I think that's the biggest buyback in the
whole game. I think Laurel has the amount of damage, the items to kind of
just 1v5 a fight when everything's on cooldown. Honestly, Maposha too, I
think Maposha needs to be alive in these fights. He has his as well 25
seconds. So I think that those two heroes together can carry the fight.
Scary stuff. We're done also almost level 25. I don't know if Shani's gonna go, but
Slark 25 both of them are pretty good talent just for these extended fights. I
think you get a little more protection with the ult duration faster or you
just get the, uh, what is it? Essence of Stax duration? They're both super good.
At these moments that they're able to hold the high ground and not give
Opportunity to prepare vision is buying the time for these buybacks to be there very good
No one's gonna get in first look towards redone stay tight trying to follow it
They got a turn get the bash up to the goal. I guess they take scum the ones
That's the age of sports. They got the reposite down on a redone round two here ready for the same time
Redone's out of what the BKB turns to try and chase down GM
Lali's gets chased outside of the base to look to finish up the support
So get the car list now the rolling thunder from no one clips off towards him. He's gone
almost only gonna have to use the buyback as both collapse and lul they'll use it together
Radan he's in trouble as they'll chase him here DM and kiting Radan out the side of the fight
satanic who get the secure across clips onto what collapsed but the use is there collapsed
able to dodge the RP get the chance to barrage right back to safety Radan gets back in on the
baton satanic he's still alive but finally falls they push on they're able to hold off
Paravision from pushing in a spirit will keep their hopes alive. It's gonna be a full team wipe
They had to expend the three buybacks, but the top recs survive and now it's their chance
To get back out on the map just the pressure going and maybe see what sort of buybacks
They can force out from Paravision because as they'll know there's only two
Two and a half minutes still on that a stay tannic on the Magnus and Tusk and the supports
They're not coming back.
Yeah, they know all three of these without buy are timer based.
Yeah, they're going to know this.
Is there a rapier possibility for a dog?
If he fails something else, absolutely.
Yeah.
They're doing the career.
Every team now.
All right.
Can they do it here?
With this little bit of a window.
It's not going to be easy.
It's hard still.
They don't have any crazy pushers.
I mean, they've held on this game brilliantly here, spirit.
Yeah.
And there's about 23 minutes in, where we saw Paraphasian already eyeing up the high ground,
but here we are, 47 minutes later.
Loro about a decelerator.
They want to end the game right here.
They're going all in.
Tier 3's gone.
They know that these buybacks are on call now.
We're going to try and move towards the Tier 4s.
No one's starting to hold them back here with the rolling thunder.
He's going to go for clearing out the creep wave.
The back door protection will take a little bit of time to kick in.
Let's get it close to going down the first one small and now onto the second one
I don't know it has no role to kind of hold them off back door protection will kick in pretty soon
I think yeah, there it is now, and I don't think they can end through the back door
They can see I'm through though
They can certainly look for the necropos kill I'm gonna try for them to
Respawns down to play here from the task him in the punch up they get the lock down on the radar redons out
But he still has to luxury buy back law however
There's not because I'm back up collapse in with the three-man borough strike
Paraphasian won't be able to finish up Lyle straight away, but DM still on top of the damage coming out from these pole stairs.
It will kill him. Lyle's gone for two minutes, but DM, he may fall as well. He does.
And I don't know if it's Corset or Byeback.
Oh my goodness, both of them. No one in DM got the two minutes.
But Static, is it with the RP? The ice bar to fall up.
It doesn't get the damage to finish up these kills.
So we'll get the Moerza, but Moerza's got Byeback and he couldn't kill off Radan.
Radan's fine. Static's out.
They might have just done it here.
There's no force for us.
This three hero is gone for over 90 seconds.
Nine glasses trying to finish up the jump, but he can't.
Four heroes gone, no buy bags.
Just hit the ancient, and GG, it's over.
My goodness, I have never seen a team hold on that well
and that long as Spirit did it today.
And then close it up.
What the heck?
the whole game they were holding on they were they were only 3k gold they were
i don't think so i don't know the whole game the whole game i think it was always
part of just holding on and they get the victory that's that's insane yeah they
they're looking at the gold difference they never had to leave they were next
even at the end even at the end they were never ahead on the money never
ahead on the next three most again it wasn't even close to them being
anywhere close to being at what they get the win and those final moments that's
one of that the crazier wins us you know I'm one of the crazier losses I'd
imagine the power of his ever experience I think you're sitting there
right now and then you're gonna I guess we lost yeah you're just you're shocked
I think they they start feeling like the pressure when their agents getting
hit and then they see the fact of like okay we're actually be five alive
Everything's fine. I think it's a little chase where the I think the necker of the pingo died right before the Magnus is up a bit of
Over aggression and just this one mistake. You throw everything away. That's crazy
That's crazy the team they were never ahead and they weren't ahead at the end
But they hit the ancient they end the game defense the ancient and just the use of buybacks
You know some of these teams have got better and better with spirit that they were able to do it
They get the win! Game 1 is teams!
How many of you had that on your bingo cards after seeing the first 30 minutes of the game?
Pary vision, end up not being able to close it out, and Spirit continue a now 9-0 warlock streak
after a shocking turn of events in that game.
I mean this is like the perfect example of it's not how much net worth you have, but how you use it, right?
the buybacks coming in, the timings for it, but on top of that how impactful it is to be able to
get back into a fight immediately on the Ember spirit, the way he's playing with his remnants,
having a lot of impact as well as the book to travel on Slug, you can just rejoin a fight
way easier than when Parry Vision were using their buyback. So super impressive that how
these team fights played out and just knowing exactly when you're able to take advantage
of that buyback being on cooldown for you. Especially because also for one of the earlier
and we're talking about using net worth correctly.
Ember Spirit was missing 5,000 of his net worths
for a very critical team fight when his radiance was MIA
on a courier snipe.
Yeah, those two fights, it definitely
felt like they needed that extra bit of a damage coming
through in a fight because we were sitting in a green room
and I don't know, it always felt to me like Spirit,
they were kind of winning.
It's just that they were missing one extra item.
They're missing one extra hero.
They've been using some of these buybacks
relatively early on.
Colossals buying back like 13 minutes into the game to get the double kill
This is the hardest theme in history of Dota to beat like we've been playing Dota for what 15 years now
Dota 2 I don't think I've ever seen a team that is so resilient when it comes down to them defending their own high ground
There's always couple of aces up their sleeves
You are never safe with a network advantage a structured advantage any type of advantage you think against you have against spirit
It is ephemeral because they will take it away from you
Yeah, they will it's not easy to play against them the the you pointed out the fatal bonds probably fatal bonds damage warlock
Was the second highest damage on his team. I just felt like every single fight
He's linking four cores and then ever walks up. He's like I'm gonna slight every single one of you one time and all the damage
Number just got amplified big time
So yeah, just incredible played by a team spirit and I really thought that they were gonna lose that game
They were behind for a long time, but they kept winning these fights
They weren't always convincing but they were like small little ones
They get the little advantage here, the little advantage there, slowly collected and find the right opportunity. So it was impressive.
I think the rules has to be a lot of positive praise towards ParryVision despite it just unraveling a bit in that late game Dota
Which is played differently. This Necro to Slark matchup was a little bit different than when we saw them on the receiving end of it yesterday, right?
Tundra picked it against them. They had the Slark. So they knew in lane just how this Necro was going to go.
The difference was Paris vision came online a lot quicker at about 26 minutes
That's luck had this massive impact on getting some kills on a retreat, but this time around it took
I want to say until like the
35 to 40 minute mark where we were like, okay
Yatoros luck is really building up a little bit extra now, of course
Yeah, he was really pushing the limits of the hero and one thing I really like how they're spread in the fights
They know that there's gonna be this big RP coming out
It did came out multiple times, but they know and like if you watch the game closely
Like there's no one around Radhan at every single point of the game and when the RP is used
Then they start to clump up or it's gonna be in the push cast sitting behind them ready with the rock once they go in
I think the big turnaround point was that 33 minute mark fight where they were seeing the high ground and misuse the roll they
Miss the RP or mark dodge the RP with the slot
Which was really nice play and then you immediately start to feel how strong they are
They're starting to chase them down from their own base and yeah
This is pretty much the fight
I believe where they are chasing them down up until the tier one tower on the enemy side and they got some really nice
And big kills, but you can see that they're really thirsty back
They feel really really blood thirsty about the kills right now
I really liked the Slark pick as against the Magnus as the game went on it just looked really tough for
or Satanic to play the fights well.
Like, a lot of times he'd be waiting for the perfect RP.
He'd eventually get it off, hit two heroes,
instantly the Slark disbells one of it.
He buys refresh orb, it doesn't make it,
I mean sure, you get two RPs,
but like, it doesn't guarantee that you're gonna
layer two RPs, which in a normal game scenario,
guarantees some enemy carry gets killed.
So the Slark did work very well there.
He didn't feel like he did have a harder game
against the Necrophos, but it didn't feel
like the absolute worst to me.
So, I don't know, it just looked like a great
Slark game, they made it work.
And if we're giving some more props to party vision, despite the loss,
no one Pango continues to exceed expectations.
This guy and hero-player combination,
most Pango mids that we've been seeing will kind of worry on.
Pango's off lanes are completely out of the window,
but no one Pango is a clinical performance every time.
Yeah. Like, Gunnar, at the end of this,
he was like, oh, they could have put the Necro mid,
would have really dumpstered on the Ember,
but instead they went for the overall lost pick Pango.
And he was like, it's kind of even, it's close to even, but it slightly favors the ember.
And then you have to factor in in this full equation.
It's a no-one pango.
So actually, he's just going to show it online.
You know, he's just so good at it.
There is no slight favor towards someone else when no one gets pango.
Although maybe there were some slight advantages as a product of some vision purge.
Would you get it for our Kadea Ward of the game for game number one?
So the vision that basically won them the game was the the ward that was near the Tri-Camp here.
This is when they smoked across the entire map and they had this ward here which helped them spot satanic and most importantly take this team fight
Now in some ways they lost this fight
They went very even in terms of kills but what they did produce was two buybacks on the para vision side
So even if the total scope of this fight might have looked neutral or maybe not as good because they crossed the entire map
It did set up their eventual win and this ward on the cliff definitely helped them get some these kills and in such a way
The nine-class you've been pinging the word spot afterwards saying okay
There's definitely a ward up here, which means he most likely got his kill secured because of it
So you have two buybacks out of this
Helping to lead towards their death bush mid with the deso killing the tier four towers forcing more buybacks getting those kills and winning the game
So that was a very crucial ward moment, but even that death bush
Yes, they can't like immediately pull the trigger on his buyback there and yet even with a deso on embers today
We were still like part vision may still bring this back yet again
Yeah, it was so close because the Ember did go for a bit of a different item build.
Usually he goes for Sheeva's, but there was Sheeva's Garden of Sanking, so he needed another option.
They'd go for AC and in the end he buys that, so they go for the end.
So this team is very good. Their decision-making is always top notch.
And now we have to worry about a continued lower bracket final.
Many people, at least Gunner, thought it was a 5-0 for party vision.
That prediction's not coming.
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Crazy Heating.
He is a legend, that's for sure.
The Wraith King, Mirana, a lot of heroes like Ancient or D.Y.
I like Wraith King's name, Wraith of the Real.
Southern Bear is good.
By the way, the build is pretty good.
I have a lot to look at.
He can kill all five heroes.
Not the best rupture, but...
But his cost is kinda bad.
7-6
Yeah, he died a lot
He lain against Rude Muran
Yes, he have like Meta built on Bloodseeker
and he just kill 5 heroes because it's Bloodseeker
I mean this just looks like your average carry player, you know?
He right clicked
and then he ruptured the guy that would not be to be ruptured
I feel like anyone can do that
If you're playing carry
you just like press your DQ to like
spread some blood and then you press BKB and that's it
I mean this is definitely the filter of Bloodseeker
It was like normal team fighting
He knows he needs to stick on targets.
Oh, that looks like immortal to me.
Just because of the item build.
Maybe it's Hyoma, because everyone has a guild.
I mean, he has the correct build.
He has the correct priorities in teamfights.
Everything was clean on the clip, at least.
He carried the teamfight.
He carried the game.
This guy has a good carry player, you know what I mean?
Everybody's good, according to Insane.
I just compared to my own gameplay, and then I feel like they're all good.
I think she like played good except for the fact that hero been robbed for boot
The draft is like a storm, Brodan is not divine anymore
Yeah, the draft was divine and similar
I think it's Titan
I think it's really divine
Who is the one under immortal? I think he's not rank
This guy was really good
I'm not ok with divine
I mean it's for sure immortal, but I don't know how much I'm worth
You say for sure it's immortal, 100%
Yeah, legend ancients are like this ancients
No ancients
So we think it's like Divine or Immortal rank?
I bet this is Divine.
I will say Divine.
I will say Ancient.
Laaa...
But it was close. We had the right... right thought for us.
He is a legend, that's for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Maybe he is a new rising star.
This guy in a 40-minute game has the same farm as the other guy in a 17-minute game.
He has 3-11 score, low last hits, so it's already kind of a lower and more game.
I think it's gonna be low-ranked.
The enemy is kind of crazy. They're just diving like that.
AKB for what?
This guy has an unreal belt.
Well, I was thinking, my new technique is if they use Edgepan, they're back.
And he's using Edgepan.
This looks like a low-ranked game.
I mean, I just feel like okay first of all this little bro has a negative form, but he has to lane against first
But that's a high that's really hard. I feel like the biggest giveaway that this is a top game is look at the OD's like teamfights
He like runs in
Presses ult dies to two spells, force stops himself while he dropshades and just dies
No one would pick OD above her, you know. Enemy was pushing high ground, Nipo still farming
It was nice.
I like this game.
Yeah, this is like a hero game.
The thing is with hero players, they can just pick whatever hero looks like cool, you know?
And then they just press on buttons.
I think this is a very low and more game.
This guy is pretty bad, and the CS, the hero's pick, how he's moving his camera, all of it just kind of indicates that.
I'm not sure about the ancient.
Axe is strafing really good
Jump, he pressed Bifiki before jump
But I thought this would be at least one of his games
Am I on P with Herald or Guardian?
A Sun Guardian
Ok, this time it has to be Guardian
Maybe I shouldn't
I can resader, we're missing Crusader
Ok, Crusader then
Let's get it
I think it's Aemshan
I guess it's a Morton
Aachan
Guardian
Oh, I don't see his quarry
Little Bro has been crazy-heating.
Plastic Smurf, Plastic Smurf.
I feel like we guessed which bracket they should be in, not which bracket they are in.
Thanks for watching, guys. Goodbye.
Bye-bye.
Back at finals, where if you left like 45 minutes ago, this scoreline would confuse you immensely.
Because Party Vision had a substantial advantage in Game No. 1.
But Spirit being the very spirited selves that they are, turned it around like they always do,
and took game number one, and now party vision need to fight back a deficit.
Terrifying times for party vision fans.
They'll be OK, they're a good team.
Especially because they're banning out Warlock.
Smart, Estini's doing his homework.
He sees a 9-0 streak, he bans it.
But there's one other streak that Spirit have been keeping alive now.
That's right, that's the same king right now.
It's 6-0, it's 100% win rate for them.
So the fact that they had it in that game one together, it's impactful.
I remember when we spoke to collapse about it. He said yep, I might get sacked in lane
I might have a really tough time is sanking and let me tell you he's had some tough ones
All he has to do is just done get all off that's it and his team will do the rest
I've got a bit more impact in that game there, but I do like the idea behind. He's okay. Whatever happens in these lane
It's the core essence of what this hero can do to turn around a team fight
I mean I recognize that the winner is high, but it's also an uncommon hero
So I think what's happening is they're picking a lot at the end of the draft when it suits the circumstances
If the priority was higher and you're playing against counters and stuff it might feel a little bit different
Right math is math is
TV has a approximately 50 chance to win the game no matter what
Paravision did ban it in the previous one in the second banning stage so team spirit decided to pick it up
This is Radan's classic, but also Collab started to play it prior to Fisher playground tournament
He needed to learn a new hero suddenly you have this guy who played like 25 games of Terrablade in a week
So definitely stepped it up
We saw Terrablade being like relatively popular at the start of the tournament of this tournament
But that was the old patch people still played it from the off-lane buying the aura items most of the time going for that
pipe or going for more of a carry-oriented build when you like finish off one of your big items like
of Orcid then you go for S and Y. Still a flex pick for them but I'm kind of liking it here it's
also a statement knowing that both of these carries kind of love to play Turbule. If you're
from Eastern Europe you got to play Turbule, you got to play Phantom Lancer and Naga Siren.
And then probably Podge as well just for the sake of completion. I hope that was every
That's every region probably.
And boy is Maposhka getting targeted in this second phase by Partyvision.
They ban a Jekiro and Winter Wyvern as well.
They know who the true carry is.
They know who the true carry is.
These are some of the best counter initiating heroes when we talk about Magnus going in and using the RP.
The other one that they might pick up, I'm just thinking, if they are going with the same idea is definitely Silencer.
So Phoenix has been, as a whole, quite picked still this tournament, the win rates are positive,
but then heavily banned.
I feel like Mofoshka might be down for that hero too.
Phoenix's one dazzles another one that he debuted as well on the 5th position.
But overall, I was quite impressed with Chthagnix's performance on the Magnus,
so I'm not surprised that party vision go back to it.
Yeah, the hero really just farms stupidly fast with the Mask of Manus build,
and the empower automatically just happening,
because you just get treads and Mask of Manus and you can jungle anywhere.
You control the waves very well.
You're just dumping madstone in your team constantly.
You don't need any mana regen items.
You are just damage and it's just and then you buy utility
and then you're really tanky.
It just kind of covers a lot of bases.
So if you are playing against a super hard carry like Terra Blade,
maybe that guy can match your farm speed.
But if you're like Slark got behind
because Slark just doesn't naturally have as much farm steroid.
So it seems like a relatively safe open pick for a pair of vision as the game continues.
And now they can put Spirit under the gun. Did Spirit just burn like a minute and a half of reserve time on this second phase ban just to conclude, yeah, Darkseer, that hero's pretty good, we should get rid of it.
I think maybe they wanted to talk about if they were willing to go all in on Parry Vision having Magnus as their carry again, right?
again right because in the last phase they bend as a satanic hero they bend at
that PA this time around they get their hands on the terror blade and I think you
have to question satanics pick PA before he's come up against us are they gonna
run that mag into the off lane are they gonna run it in mid potentially even or
are they still gonna go on that satanic and where exactly is the role that
could you know break apart what our first pick and what we want to build
into and I guess if you're picking a terror blade anyway if it's a flex
This potential on the Magnus might as well take out the Darkseer just in case and now they
get their hands on a Rue Morta.
And the other thing is that you don't want to pick Darkseer against Magnus, that seems
to be the response to pick Mag versus Darkseer so they had to ban it because they're like
well we know that we're not picking it so we don't want to give you this strong hero
that's first or second pick worthy at the end of the draft, they might as well get
it out of there now.
Well they're still not showing where the Starblade is going, paravision they will
have overall the last pick so I think at that point they will know and I
I could maybe see that some of the Satanic's more popular heroes, that he loves to bang out some Naga Styren,
maybe even some Drawranger, if it's going to be a good game for it.
Right now, Paravision keeping things simple. They did go with Marana and Toss, so these are going to be their support to Duo,
which can't be very active early on. You're never going to be lacking damage for killing the heroes.
I think 9th Class had a pretty good game in the previous one.
It's just that they kind of lost it with the blind mac, what happened there.
But overall they played the game really well other than that.
Yeah, the one thing we kind of lost over with 9 classes plus is how good he is at playing this hero to save.
It's not just trapping, it's not just initiating.
The way that he was able to blink in and save satanic time and time again,
you're just like, there is no way we don't want to have this duo for any potential
Re-initiation from Spirit and, you know, lose a call.
Even more value now that there's going to be some chains done on the Spirit side.
They pick up a Shaker, though it's not a Shaker into any guaranteed melee mid-matchup.
It's just a straight-up Shaker before you even know where it's going to be going.
And then they do round out their support duo with that Phoenix.
A lot of teamfights coming up with these two heroes.
Because Shaker is very good at counter initiating and choosing where you want to take the fight.
You see Magnus going in, so he can't be the one keeping the distance, waiting until Magnus goes in first,
or you can be the one initiating as well.
So with the Phoenix and Earthshaker, plus their circle from where,
this team looking like they have quite a lot of team fight,
then they're never going to be lacking any kind of scaling as well.
And you can counteract the benefits of the Magnus,
so all you have to do is anticipate where he's going to RP six seconds ahead of time.
Or, for a second you respond and sunray the four of your teammates and be like, you guys suck, but I'll save you.
It really builds morale.
No, I like the six second four cycle. Yeah, you're definitely going to need that one.
And I guess the season is like, do I RP now? He's super-nose, like I should, right?
I have to. They're all clumped up.
He does it, yeah, exactly.
That's another point that I will give for safe-hanging.
This is yet another archetype of Kerry.
You can be disciplined on when to jump in, and he was handling it quite well.
And now, we get a sniper on the board, which-
Now is there a reason you flinched when the sniper got picked?
You have personal experience in pubs?
No, no, I mean, yes, but not that.
When we were hyping up, no one's pango.
We have to do the same thing for his sniper,
but he's confident in picking this one,
assuming it's going to be an Earthshaker in the mid lane as well.
That's not necessarily true.
Collapse has played Earthshaker in this tournament too.
So, Team Spirit having really good flex that Paribasian's impact of the 18th pick
may potentially just fall short. It might not be that gutsy, it might end up having a really tough game.
There was one more flex also. A lot of teams were final phase banning out Phoenix against Laurel.
So, a mid lane Phoenix is also a possibility.
Bullies question marks.
So regardless, most of those heroes snipers should be pretty well against and they're
confident that the mid laners are already on Spirit's board because now they're banning
out collapsed off laners, they take out a Dawnbreaker and Spirit, they ban out a Dazzle.
Oh yeah, I could also see maybe some tight hunters sneaking in for paravision just
to give them that extra bit of a teamfight as well.
This is one of the hardest heroes in Dota to kill in general, especially after the
recent changes to his Kraken show where you can be the counter initiator waiting for them to jump in
and DM loves to play the hero.
Guests taken out of the pool Spirit are equally afraid of the Tide Hunter and they ban it out.
It has some effectiveness against Heroblade because we're reducing a lot of his base damage.
I think we've seen some games where it's like TV plus Tusk and then they shred the Tide
consistently throughout the game but if you struggle to kill him in the laning stage
and he gets ahead it can be a bit problematic and he also has
Homo breaks for Krakenchel against Urshaker and against Marcha
The stables as well so that could be a little bit easier
I'm not actually sure what you ban for this last one is parry vision
with the idea that collapse could also play this tb or this
Shaker or it could be that carry and then mid already
So do you just go all in ban more collapsed heroes trying to hope that he picks up the tb?
Banned the 100% tanking.
Yeah, I was thinking, you know, is it even a bad tanking game to run it back again?
Well, Lifesteal is still in the pool.
And they keep their options open. They don't know where the Cerberus is going.
They ban off the Lifesteal and they pick themselves a Centaur for DM.
It protects the Centaur much better there.
And the Centaur protects the Sniper much better.
That's true.
Fits well.
And that pretty much confirms that Static will be flying the Magnus,
and Sniper will be taken mid by no one.
And now Spirit need to figure out who's going where.
Who's going where?
Do they want to pick a Slark on Team Spirit?
It was pretty good against Magnus.
It on paper should be good against Entraor and Lane, right?
Thank you, boy. Maybe less good against Sniper, but you can die for him.
And then put TB offline.
They would lose some frontline for sure. They wouldn't be very...
...anky. Okay, they go a different way.
So who's going mid?
Is it shaker shaker laurel against sniper from no one
Radon will be playing to carry more fling and collapse will indeed be playing the off lane at terror blade against the safe lane at
Static Magnus the damage on provision is very physical oriented
Like they don't have that much diversity in a new type
Maybe no one's gonna go like a mouse drone plus a
Revenant sproach, but it makes me assume that more fling who has really high armor is just not gonna take them
You have two of the heroes that have the highest armor in the game
You have Terrorblade and Morphling, most of your damage is going to be physical.
I think Team Spirit cooked with this one.
They opened up with Terrorblade on the first pick and kept the flex open until the very end.
You also have very good heroes to turn into.
Most likely that's going to be your Magnus, knowing that he is going to be maxing out that internal empowerment.
So you will have that extra bit of a damage.
You're going to become a better Magnus overall with the skewers and everything,
because you can set it up with your waveform.
I think they cook pretty hard.
Now what you're feeling I actually want to know more about the more I haven't seen it too much in the new patch
So I'm not like what's the fast that you take and then what's the build into it?
We can investigate. Yeah, OD pixel and a gunner. We haven't seen too much from more fling these days
What do you make of it? It's a 24th pick spirit must have thought it was good
He's gonna go agility and then I think it's pretty good. It's really good for centaur
It's it's like they said really good versus Magnus with the empires steel
He's not going to be nine class morph because I was like the skewering one where you would skewer more than the Magnus
It's not that fun
But just like the right clicks
I also really like more for sniper because you wait for him on him. You have a gap close. So I also like their draft
Yeah, I think it's it's it's gonna be fun. I I don't know. I just I don't know about the morph
I feel like if it's that it's gonna be good. We would have been staying more of it
We just you don't like it because it can't build into double battle fury
That's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
You can.
You can, because you can turn into a melee hero.
You can't make it work.
You weren't appearing Magnus.
This is technology that the world isn't quite ready for, but what you should be ready for
is game number two of Paravision versus Spirit.
But opportunity has lost, been caught out, and he's gone.
First blood for new Carlos.
Adds us out this one off the Paravision.
And maybe even the Poshkanak dives at the red.
He'll live.
Still?
They get that hot start.
Dive is like first blood.
You get the Phoenix, you get a dive, he's used his level 1 in the lane, the hero's already a bit weak in the lane, so yeah, huge win for Pari.
Uh, who got the first blood?
Okay, let's do Colossus.
So not a crazy one, but first blood's the first blood.
So what do you make of this? Were you sort of surprised seeing that morph come out, or is there something that uh, that does, as you say, make a lot of sense because of what you're looking at, the sniper and things, the gap close?
I think I was a bit surprised but with the bands that they did, I thought it was pretty good
I thought Leicester there was good, but he got banned, Donbreaker for Offlane was good, but he got banned
And so they kind of wanted to hear that's either mobile that can jump the sniper in the back line
Or an Offlaner that kind of also provides it. Oh no one. Oh
nice shards
I mean because what is the
What are the biggest threats for the morph in this sort of game? You know, what is he actually scared of?
Nothing really. I would say mid late game Morphe actually is susceptible to physical damage due to the fact that you kind of like shift into at strength right as you have to like tank up and tank up
and as you're going to strength you keep losing more and more armor so you actually, when your low health are really good for physical damage and then you start being worse and worse and better versus magic
is like pretty interesting about Morph.
So in this game, eventually, he'll just die in an RP
if he gets RPed and then the sniper's hitting him.
But for the first, I don't think he's gonna die in the first 30 minutes of this game.
Yeah, that's a late game thing.
Could you look at this lane style for more Phoenix?
That's a pretty secure duo down here.
Pretty safe lane.
Yeah, he should just free farm.
Maybe he's not gonna stomp the center early,
but when he gets this, like,
Treads is the big timer for Morph playing Treads level 4.
or that's when you're completely fine.
The big thing is Mapocha doesn't have his W,
so that's just like really big window
for Pari to have a lot of impact.
All their little Mapocha.
He has died.
He's just baiting as much as he can.
He's baiting a lot.
Living on the edge there, Mapocha.
He doesn't have dying life.
He might go if he's crazy.
I can tango up and maybe look at it.
He just needs level two.
Second he gets level 2, nine class can die.
Top flank.
Gonna get the trade there.
Trying to step up.
Obviously can't frame collapse too much.
Tower.
Looking around the upper lane, Steve.
The mid lane so far.
Well, a little bit of a lead, but very close off the back.
It's super close, yeah.
As the levels come in, what you expect this sniper
to be able to harass, to shake her out of the lane?
Oh.
Or does he never get that bad?
One of these like really good heroes that's securing lanes stable because you have every W is to
Blast it to secure because you'll get one with the aftershock damage
Then you'll get one with the right click even at the night so more often not you just end up losing these lanes very slightly
I think that
It's not gonna be anything crazier if he gets ganked by like a tusk. Yeah, it's gonna get really bad for low
Really gross, but in a 1v1
Maybe maybe like 55 45 just like a slight sniper advantage
There's definitely way worse matchups that Sniper just crushes.
Radiant's Curio has been killed.
I'm excited. I wanted to work with ClubsTV. I really like this hero as an offlaner.
I think its whole design is super cool.
You have either a save ult or just this aggressive ult used on the enemies.
He scales really well into a core, but you also can play him as this tanky hero.
People will buy Pipe on him. This game is a really bad Pipe game, so he's probably not going to buy it.
And just like your ability to farm the the map would be aggressive seems it always seems good when you're all cleaners can
End up being the second carry in this day and age
That's definitely something we've seen collapse do on this rope on this hero
many a game
It is not a great pair blade
Reflection game though. There's no cores that it really jumped out. I guess the sniper. It's decent verse because it'll just kind of kill himself
But like Magnus, a lot of his damage comes from Empower so that one doesn't really work.
So it's more, I think he's just going to end up being two carries for the side of Team
Sherrod.
Two nine class.
I'm just looking to see if there's a chance to maybe help out get a kill in the mid.
I dropped the shards but they're too deep and low.
I'm not going to get grabbed by this.
Both teams bring in that support focus around the mid lane. Fisher in to block off nine class. He's got the snowball to get over it though
Top lane
Honestly, they could get the leap into instead of some stars will damage onto Rube in the case
They're in block for the illusion
That's been a micro the metamorphosis as well as they turn it's gonna have to keep walking away from this
Oh, yeah, there's a skewer and the blood grenade call on to it
Don't get the kill out of this one, I mean Shortbrew goes down but collapsed he won't be too excited about his support falling as he gets the job done.
Also able to bully back to Carlos quite a bit as well.
In the mid, Stubble forward on him and posh the bottom of the tower, not gonna happen.
I don't know, possibly take a lot of damage from those spirits on the way out as well.
See if the posh here can stick around, soak up some XP here under the tower whilst they allow heads back to reset.
Get his health and mana back up.
What's he going to read on top?
They can do all that. He doesn't have skewer because I can see his Q on the wave, which is again most Magnus carries
aren't really even going through the shockwave at all
So just good read to take the go. I thought they were just kind of like having fun with her ass and just trying to pay
to the skewer but
Easy kill
Lanes are very different than the last game especially stay 10x lane. He's losing to this alpha terribly by about like 200 300 gold
Maybe it's changing. Ooh
I don't think you get the kill opportunity, but the Skewer doesn't connect.
Collapse, he's got backup coming in.
The snowball forward, dive across, Collapse.
Thank you.
He's able to survive through this.
He tries down his ground and punch back at 9 class.
Collapse will finally fall.
But it does cost them the one life in return.
See if Paravision can try and turn it into more.
They're looking to jump in, close the gap on Miposhka.
They will manage to bring the Phoenix down as well.
So the move works out.
And they get things looking a little better now for Satanic on this top leg.
Yeah, definitely a much needed kill.
Also, bot wasn't there.
NatKlass is kind of just leaving his lane. He's going mid, he's going top.
There's no really big lane pressure bot into this morphing.
So you're going to see DMs able to free farm,
and Rodan's also able to free farm.
They're just going to have like super high networks on the bot lane,
and the supports are going to be trying to do as much havoc as they can between mid and top.
Yeah, well, I was trying to pull behind quite a bit.
It's not going to be a super quick blink-dug of this game unless they can get some stacks going for him.
He's looking at DM.
DM's super low.
Ah, you don't want to chase the- yeah, but I'm gonna give it up.
Yeah, he doesn't want to waste any time on the- on that, especially with DM having potential backup.
The car- sorry, nine class was around.
And no one's ready to offer up an assassinate hit if required.
Yeah.
Top lane collapsed.
But she fought pretty fast.
They're trying to get a turn, a ward with a shockwave and a skewer.
And indeed with a sniper coming into Hell, Pal, an easy kill.
But no one to peek.
Good reeds, just constantly killing the Terrablade.
He's not tanky in 2v3 situations.
In 2v2 situations, he's really strong because he has super high armor,
and he kind of can play around her HP at a low number,
but when you bring in this third hero,
it's just too much damage for Terrablade to kind of survive.
Unfortunate one there for Radan as well.
Had his courier coming out with a morbid mask,
it was coming straight across the wave,
so DMs just had to ideally take it out,
so no mask for Radan for a little bit.
What's with teams here and kind of losing their careers? They keep losing big ones. There's the Radiance last game now his morbid mask
Not
This one's not as bad. It's true because he's full HP right at the moment. So he's not too
You know getting pressure buying heroes. You can you can farm the exact same speed with or without it
Yeah, you'll just sit around like 50% yeah instead of full
More just a funny. Maybe it's a party strategy. They're intentionally
Thinking all right guys, how do we kill every single quarter to ensure it?
probably not though I don't I don't think that's a and have enough I see you
never told us about killing well if there's a weaver you talk to the
oh yeah I mean he got a weaver that's different the bottom yeah so if you get
the stampede off we'll make it away with that one he's getting away with a
lot a lot of creep cutting a lot of pushing but still even now with all
of this he's still behind the tear blade say Teneke has caught up so now
Now he's just top number for the game.
And even Sniper, like both of the big cores of her party are having super solid
The Sniper's, no one's crushing it.
Dive 4 from the Poshka, they really want to try and do something about this Sniper
but that's not going to cut it.
Paravision, they're perfectly fine.
Spirit not able to find a way into that fight.
Now the Poshka's in the trouble.
They just jump over towards him, they'll start from down, but he is destiny.
More money for no one in this mid lane.
It does feel like Spirit, they're bringing them resources there because they're
Trying to find somewhere safe for Lyle to farm as he's not going to get it from that mid lane.
The Splink Dagger as I said is not going to be some crazy timing.
He's going to hit the jungle and slowly farm it up because turning up to mid seems to just not be an option right now.
I think a lot of this was the fact that it wasn't this one doing mid, where he's able to just kind of like free farm and walk mid.
Mclash is dodged by this one mid, and they're just winning these 2v3s.
I mean, but Poska TP straight into this one.
He's gone!
It's tier one! Not a place for spirit to turn up apparently. Power vision, they have full control around this tower.
Now I remember Adonis here trying to help. What is he going to do though?
I mean he can't make a play right?
No, because he can't go for the sniper.
So sniper is going to see them more quickly before he even sees them.
Yeah, he'll just wait out the power rune. It's going to be a haste rune getting quickly back down towards the bottom lane.
But yeah, mid lane, ain't nothing happening any time soon as favor in spirit.
Spirit. Is this town going down?
It's just dead, there's nothing.
Yeah, you don't want to turn up here, Spirit.
You've got to let this one go.
No, you give it up.
Laura was having a rough game.
I think with the constantly having a support mid after,
like, five minutes, four minutes, just being in this 2v1 mid,
you also lose the 3v3s mid so you can't bring your supports.
And then missing that kill on DM, it's just a lot of stuff
that's kind of missed over and over.
Still, the Styling Cores aren't having too far off-games, like the Terrible and the Morphling.
Their games are still both decent. I think that's definitely her collapse.
Made his game not as good as it once was.
And what, well, he echoed the ancients, okay. No worries.
There was a track record when I heard that.
Ah, we did have some crazy echoes just today.
Yep.
Ah, from Lallan's spirit.
I just heard the, you know, really sad Echo Slam voice line.
Wait, which one, what did you say?
Echoes slam I got a little question mark at the end little dot dot dot. I
Love the heroes when they miss their old
There's a lot of good ones
Yeah, I tried it though. I feel like kunkras a lot of lines right when the boat doesn't connect like that was a fail
That was either fail boat
That's a good one
That one does sometimes you just use it for the the rumbuff well
That's the thing right sometimes he says it's a fail bow and it wasn't it's like right
It did exactly what I wanted it to
Or you get the marauder when you like arrow a creep in the jungle you get a big creep and then she's like whoops
That well that one they fixed right did they fix it?
I think with her and Pudge they changed it so you don't trigger the negative ones now when you hit creep
I think I might be wrong on that, but I seem to remember there was maybe a patch where they changed that because there's a long time
But it's triggering all the time and indeed it was very clear that you were intentionally trying to meet a creep. I
Think they changed it so they're not intentionally making these melee creeps fall in. Yeah, it's
Titanic
He's gonna try and go for Rue here.
Should be a free one.
And he will get it.
Well, does have an Invis, but of course Echo's still on cooldown.
Might manage to find the setup in last centuries down.
And they know, so this Invis is not going to catch them by surprise,
because I'm still trying to push forward.
Rodon is here.
He really wants to get involved in some action.
But as pretty much as soon as he turns up, he's leaving.
Knows that nothing's going to happen up there.
after it was clear that they were aware the lol was making moves with the
Invis they need to find a good place to fight this bot turn is not it though I
don't really know what you want to do for a spirit like what's this the game
plan you should go be so smart cup with the next echo right with this yeah
on shake you need to kill the sniper or mag just go with some sort of like
Phoenix shake a play yeah it just mag is so tanky at the stage he's got
1.7k HP it feels hard to bring enough damage especially with the fact he's
always around his tier 1 tower so sniper can TP even if you end up killing
Magnus you're all gonna die so why these tanky heroes are consistently really
popular and strong if you think about just the Dota meta the pro meta over
the years every time there's a tanky hero that does high damage it's super super
popular last match what dragonite was in that vein
Nice to hear at the start of this patch was enough in you got Magnus
I think there are times where people are picking TB first pick like this
But it was for a carry and that was purely because he was unkillable
Dusa there's a lot of these carries that just can't get ganged
Smoke soon to come to an end
They don't find anything with it here team spirit
Everly groups up the four of them around this top tier one tower a
blink dagger now available for GM so Paravigion they can also look to make
lose themselves it's thinking even if Sprig at the jump Stampede's gonna be
the ready so they have to be sure that they can kill someone during the
chain stun of LAL. GM uses TP so he cannot he cannot be top maybe maybe this
is the 45 also teams where it knows they saw him TP but they're all going to
be bought actually through here is I mean I asked we're gonna go back for
the twin gate and try and contest this tormentor. They have Ekoslam and Supernova. Yeah but then
you're going to be taking the tormentor into an RP and a sniper in the DD room. That's true.
It wouldn't be pretty if they went for that twin gate. The Rodon should try it. He might
live they're gonna let power vision take this nice last with the shard his
key is cute level one no one on the toss that's the that's the most feels bad
you get shard for your spell that you have to get later at least your lowest
guild spell is a little more useful now that's sure you can't have it 15
minutes in his book to call us getting Chris on his lead that's very true
there there was a workshop very good spirit seven key lead I didn't even
realize it's it's building up they're just not really able to do much with
Lyle at the moment on the shake they tried for the smoke play but it's just
gonna be a very slow game from Lyle to start off falling behind on the gold
I mean nearly but nearly post supports the paraphrase and he catching up
with him.
Yep.
Impact hasn't been there so far.
Yeah, Ducalus has no bonus gold, no shard or anything, so he's just almost at the same
hour as the shaker just playing the game.
They need to get a fight going.
This game, I think, is harder for Team Spirit to come back in than the first game.
They don't have this overwhelming team fight, they don't have Warlock.
If Team Spirit would win this game, I would say it's more of a Gatoro performance
overdone
which is possible
yeah especially in the most part of it this is one of the heroes
one of the heroes with that
is insanely high skill cap
lot of potential with these players
such as Don can pull off the grandmaster tier
he's seen it all, he's done it all
on the morpher
I wonder what
he's gonna let the build on morph is, it looks like he's gonna go butterfly
like satanic butterfly
yeah but he likes to finish the satanic first
because that's gonna be quite early in the build right to get the full satanic
strain I would maybe the butterfly before it yeah there's there's likely to just
keep them up and whatever order and yeah the butterfly first definitely much
much more typical you'd ever go eggs I'm worse when new eggs but when would you
get it I don't see anyone buy in these games well you can like make an illusion
of Magnus and then the illusion skews the mag into you I that's I mean the
question then would be sort of like how much of players played with that you
I think. How many games is Radon? Probably zero. Yeah, got the eggs.
It's actually really good in Gyro Comfort Matchup.
Because your illusions can flat and shoot everything.
Magna is probably not so much, unfortunately.
Smoked up. They want to pick into Roche.
They have really good Roche taking team. They have Tusk with two physical damage cores.
They're just like one kill, maybe two, and it's enough to go.
They're on Rodan.
One-class.
Ton of bait.
Some sort of action in here.
I mean it's land, Static to walk up.
Doesn't find the RP, they're Rodan's able to get away.
Still they get the Harpoon back.
Turned into the Tusk, gets the Snowball.
Still though, who stuns there into the Snowball from nine-class.
Punch up, they're locking him down.
They got the damage, they're not quiet.
Another waveform from Rodan.
Continues to run.
To go for Static, he's in.
He needs to use the RP and indeed he does not, but who's stuck from TM enough to make sure that they can eventually bring them all fling out
Get easy kill that that was the hope of team spirit
Now now it's gone
Teams okay. Why do I feel like other teams that just have no hope keep doing keep winning games and doing better though
There's Khmer we have that whole space a lot. Yeah, we have a lot of comebacks the last game
There are some 70 minute games where teams should win. They shouldn't you know
and they don't
Is this the type of game
That you just are mentally giving redawn and you're being like you're presented this game on a silver platter
You got to win us this game
Maybe it's easier to win these games than even games
My pressure
Maybe
That's it. Yeah, it's really gonna be down to redawn and collapse though. Oh, yeah, long struggle
Yeah, you definitely have a much harder game than the first one even
I mean how how come his game has been slowed down as much as it has?
His dagger was super slow. Yeah, and his team needed he's the only one that can make moves
So every time that they wanted to make a move or make a smoke
He was in it, so he's not able to just take creeps and farm
Like any other mid would do whereas if you
Close if you think for party they got Magnus they can kind of make moves. They got center can they got tusk who can
And Sniper will show up by just ulting halfway close
It's just there's way too much pressure on Laurel. I think
That's why maybe something like a life stealer instead of the morph or the dawn which we're both bad
But something that could go in and help Laurel play the game or
Initiate for him. It's now it's slightly feels like Team Spirit's just waiting for
Look at this, this could be something good if they get away with it. They're into the pit
And it looks like they should get away with this right yeah, this is good
They have to lift as well for the towers
Yeah, they're getting this
All right, this is a super cool call
Super bold, but
The voice out I think so Roche feels a pretty bad objective right now overall
Compared to what I felt in the past. I think
I don't know why, I guess the shard actually helps you when you're alive, whereas for the
ages to actually have impact you have to die, to some extent.
The biggest one though is the fact that they're taking away the ages from party.
So party's not going to have this super big timing in the next 3-4 minutes, but they
can just end the game with sniper ages, and even if they're taking away, it probably
delays this game by at least 10 minutes.
I don't think this game should end.
Student.
I think they're coming.
Is he low? He's gonna drop the Echo on 9-clutch.
Now, they'll be able to make the jump on him.
Low's gonna die.
Easy kill.
Says who? Which one?
Who's saying that? Is Low's that easy kill?
He telling the boys easy kill. I got that tough good.
I know 1 for 1, but that was the Echo.
Unfortunately as well, they're still that level 1 Echo.
at the slightly 10 seconds short to level 12 as he was that close, how much XP was he short?
10 XP short to level 12.
Unfortunate.
Ooh, okay.
What have we found?
That's a bad bug that we're done to not know about.
Ah, he can't...
BUG!
We don't have bugs in this video again, what was going on, what did he do?
So because of the fast it, that always applies in power.
Yes, you can't empower yourself and then turn into more than keep the power.
Yeah, but that's not a bug though, that's a...
Dude, is that feature a bug?
It's a bug because normally you don't get the fastest when you turn into someone you do you know there you go
Then that's the feature so it's a feature. That's gonna be a feature. Oh, is that a feature?
What no one dying like that. Yeah, well, that's a yeah collapse. He'll be happy with that one
He's ready to carry now if he's able to kill off the snipe with such
fashions
But I said that's a beat because what was he when you were done you turn into the Magnus you
Yeah, you will be empowered when you are the mag correct, but the whole point of this matchup is that
Yeah, they just wanted to get away from Madonna thing.
You empower yourself and then you turn it to the Morse play.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, it's the empower as well.
But now you can't.
You can only use the empower wall on the Magnus form.
I mean, that's just the new Magnus right?
Yeah.
The Magnus theme is...
You gotta remember when you're playing the Magnus, it physically doesn't let
you cast it on yourself as well.
Oh really?
I see on you. Yeah, cuz I tried cuz whenever you would be playing with this you're like
But what happens when I do cost on myself? It just will not let you do it. Oh
So it's not there. Yeah, it's it's working for him as the more funny turns into the Magnus
Exactly the same way it's working for the Magnus when he has this okay. Yeah, I understand
So I see the confusing because you're like well, maybe say tiny cancer
But no, it's he changes it so he can't click himself when he breath when he costs him a lot of them
Interesting, okay. Well, I definitely don't think we're done knew that
going into this game there is definitely I absolutely if you have
because this is as we're done play much Magnus carry himself I want to say I don't
think so because it's one of those yeah I don't think he has so indeed it's one
of the things indeed you only really realize when you play you're like oh
yeah like it makes sense because what would it do anyway if you could empower
yourself because you're always empowered but you would you would maybe think
that maybe that wasn't added so actually stopped you from being caught
able to cast on yourself but it has when you when you play you can't
One Magnus game today four hours ago. Oh, there you go. So we know so he knows
But maybe there's also the chance when you plan the motion level maybe the in theater that the code doesn't work
So it also stops me doing it anyway on the higher end of it. They're gonna find DM. Okay
The more we're talking about this part just keeps throwing every time we're not being attention
So don't go down and then Jim goes down
The game is getting closer and closer
No, it is I mean it is the thing right you cannot write spirit of colors
Okay, okay, that's another one
You can't write spirit as especially for anyone that's watched game one right they know yeah
It doesn't matter what sort of gold lead para vision has
Like spirit there absolutely still in it to close it up 5k gold lead. That is nothing spirit
Do not care whatsoever. They're ready to could just come at them with the outplays as we saw from the main game one
Yeah, definitely and now the tormentors up
They're gonna this this lead what was it like 8k 7k ak is now just gonna go down to two
and
Okay, super good morph game scaling to the game slightly slightly less good as to what I thought it would be
Yeah, but still very good morph game and there's other who's he can turn into I would say at this point
He probably realizes to not turn in the bag because it's kind of useless
Centaur just having this done you can start the cast animation during the waveform and
And just like stomp wall invulnerable. It's really good even the tusk just for like save for tag team and
He might also turn into Marana. I was gonna say for the elite for the leaping for the crit now with the sharp
Yeah, I the bow for the brother's that's a speed bonus to quit that
That's not that's not the best one. Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree
We'll see if he does go for the for the Marana if he gets the chance
It's hard though. It's very easy for Marana's. Oh
There's already more thing
Yep, the punch up. Do they have enough damage to take him out?
Ooh, they don't!
Rodan set up Lalsin, gets the Echo off onto the boat for them.
So now he's got a little bit messier. They'll get the skewer back on the collapse.
They drop the RP onto collapse.
That's everything, though.
Miposhka still got the Diver one.
So he's fine. Just ended up being the one for one.
The smoke.
It's there in time. Stops the assassinate.
And they didn't want to use the RP.
I think if the RP's...
We're done there. He might just die so yeah, because they don't have any ways to get him out of the arpy. We'll see it again here
You definitely had sues master madness. Oh, I'd say tennie. I
Think he was master madness for hold. He was he was
I'm pretty sure that a lot of boosted attacks be the old time
So he gave just didn't have the option to get the arpy off to what the end of the other stuns because that's self silence
Which can happen sometimes. Yeah, you gotta be careful with those master manners used to just
This is what players oh, I've been there many a time. Yeah, yeah
Feels good on on Magnus though that I really like Magnus like the whole item build feels good. You're really tanky
He's also going for a revenant's bridge this game. I think safer might as well
Which is very good inverse morph. Yeah
The panel talked about how they don't really have mixed damage for party. They're all physical
So just getting this little extra magic damage crit built him to help you kind of ignore the morphing armor is just really nice
And yet this game is a 3k lead. I feel like the game is not even yeah, I'm telling you spirit that they're chilling 45 55
They're like what this is not bad odds
No, especially when you consider like I don't know how I'm gonna look at it
I see how rough to the wind probability getting that last game is probably somewhere around
95 it definitely got down there it was something crazy so this is a perfectly
fine first yeah this is easy game that's definitely what they're gonna be
telling each other right now so I think in the game just going guys this game is
so easy that's the comms what else do you say so for power vision they might be
sweating a little bit I think they will be sweating especially after what
happened in game one right there's got to be that the back of your mind
break your power vision you're like you feel that you're ahead on the
numbers yeah but you know that there's still so much more to be done to be able
to try and close this game up it's not gonna be easy yeah these definitely both
teams are super good so there's just so much they have to worry about there it's
so little mistakes they can make yeah it's it's hard to play these kind of
games especially on the high pressure situations it is finals day it's the
most important day of every tournament trauma the smoke yeah it's coming to
and won't get the chance to jump.
I don't think they forced it.
Warfling's about to get his satanic.
It's a little far away, it's maybe two, three more minutes, but...
He's already got a butterfly.
He's nearly gonna have that on top of it.
So we're done in a great spot.
And Lollie is recovering.
Level 15, Scott has core items, the blink and the axe.
Yep.
Gonna go for a BKB. His game's never really gonna get good.
I think usually when your game suffers early game, it doesn't really get better effects
I feel like that's kind of okay right because you have an offline TV
So it's like the there's already two cause this is terrible and this morph don't want to be cleaning up them up
So you yeah usually just sort of sit back a little bit. It's okay for him to be a pause three. Yeah, absolutely
It's very comfortable
I don't he doesn't kill no one here, right? He's waiting
So alone. No, it's not gonna be enough
If he's on the no no there's no way dude
2500 HP
Can't do that sir. Maybe even if it's level three. I thought still have doubts
Sure, if you're able to chase him for like two three and chant totems, maybe yeah, it's unlikely
Needs a plus one smoked up
Yeah
I'm gonna get the jump
No, their Honda's been shown
They can look to strike back here, smoke up themselves
I'm close on the high ground, they're gonna jump in, Lyle jumps out, just scared
Honda's baiting
The Spirit just want to start to fight off, I think on even footing
Where they're not getting jumped instantly
So seeing, you know, maybe Lyle, either they get the jump
Or just like there's like kind of pokefights or better for Spirit
Where probably I think they just want to commit
hard jump they protect their sniper or they protect the tusk jump I think like a
very stable fight suits party way more than it does her for spirit just
because the mobility spirits course half to the morphing of the shaker if they
if party protects no one he will kill everyone he's still super strong in
this game feel there's that one death look at his rap dude I just thought of
at the big brand play. I'll tell you, it's very exciting.
Okay, I'm gonna start it off.
We'll see, because we might get a flash here.
It's all the tents right now.
Yeah, we might get a little jump.
Tier 2's taken.
GM's looking.
The posh is still hanging very close.
Yeah.
They don't have vision upon him.
Right, they're all out. Okay.
What's the big brain plan?
The big brain plan.
Gonna go back to something we were talking about earlier. Okay, Aghanim's more you get the strong hero illusion then he can empower himself
Can empower himself that's true. There you go. It's very strong 4,000 gold for an empower for an empower
Because then you might yeah
If this is a 60 minute game, we'll see that yeah the only again
Yeah, so only that sucks shows the other thing that was cool with this matchup is so
Magnus is in powers 50% stronger than himself. Oh, that's true
So when Magnus... The reason why I cared so much about this interaction was because usually when Morph returning to Mag, it was considered empowering himself.
So he'd get like the full...
Sure!
Yeah, no, no, that wouldn't work.
It wouldn't work.
The Roshan is so cool now.
I like the new Roshan animations that they added.
I think they should keep buffing Roshan.
They should make it a great boss.
Every time Roshan gets buffed, the game just gets better.
More buffs for Roshan, I think.
Is under attack should start having like fire breath or something?
Is you start doing something where like if someone gets near the pit on their own?
He grabs them and he doesn't let go unless the team comes to rescue them. Yeah, that holds a hero hostage
Are they taking damage or they're just there? They're just there
It is that you got to go save them guys. Oh
Shann's got me
Oh, here we go. Wow. And with the echo the blood nine class his body kicked to the side there
Arrow?
Is that enough to go for roast?
They kill one hero?
You take the rest?
Um...
You get away with this?
No, probably he's gonna take the jump, but he is bi.
I'm gonna take the jump soon.
Here we go.
So there's the bi back.
Shrapnel's giving vision.
Damn, try to get this as you get the jump.
Get the shards down to the side.
Static, he's getting in there.
Group.
So he's up in the sky.
Oh, it's a beautiful one!
Excellent angle there for Static.
It's the three man RP for Rodani's healing up.
They couldn't quite kill the Morphling off. He's got the Wave Formus, while they get back to safety.
Lyle looking to stab them, fish it down across the middle of the verb.
So much.
Stay tannic.
He's getting focused by Collapse. Collapse has still got the Lush with the Thunder.
I coulda Thunder didn't really do much. He ends up tannuring Tug that has the same HP as him, but it's all good.
He's still cleaning up Collapse with the damage that he's doing.
Who cares about if the Thunder's with?
It's not even necessary.
It's a dieback from Rankless.
Look at that. Now straight to the Rose Shampic. Collapse.
He's ready to help. Well, okay. They're still gonna be a bit careful, because Stay Tannic might jump them again.
He's low, collapse is going to stand in position just for the whole paravision away.
Don't get grabbed.
I mean this is kind of a fortunate rifle we're down because it's going to mean the road
shot is moving away from paravision as well. So it's going to be on the side of the map where
paravision can't really connect to stop spirit from finishing it off.
Yeah, they also have the outpost. That's why so necklace was able to buy because
the dire outpost now it has a radiant outpost. So it's like kind of the night time is
slightly advantage for radiant these days. It's pretty cool.
That's very true. Yeah, it looks like I don't I don't know probably what to fight this. No, I don't anymore
No, I mean unless you call this what's to do a crazy leap flight. No, it's there too late. They know
There we go. He just
here for a dog
Whoa, these fights are also you want to appreciate just how big the the calling got the word to W
There was there's like six years that died in it. Oh, there's the ghost
It was massive. It was covering the entire fight. It kept canceling random bleak sounds like random curious
It actually had so much impact to the fight, and I think Collapse, just the angle he took in the fight and waited until the very end to show up, he pumped out the damage.
I mean, he really did. They're having to deal with these two carries, and they're only two carries.
They're two carries.
It's similar net worth, but it's sort of in a vacuum. One team with a carry more than a carry TB, he gets a carry Mag and a carry Sniper.
The more for the TB, the more for the TB.
Like for the Magnus and the Sniper to be able to hit these heroes and kill them. It's not gonna be easy
I think the you can see that when when morph is arpeyed and everyone's hitting him and he doesn't die
That's when it starts feeling a bit worse to have
This Magnus as your carry a strict could you comedy asked for more for state panic than what he did that
I was a green man RP with the morph getting supports. Yeah more plus supports
Wasn't the shaker also like he died at some point pretty early in the fight, too
That's not gonna be an easy one for power vision and now morphos ages. Yeah, they've got a 3k lead here spirit
We still what they did last game was they're behind now
They're finally ahead in the gold in the series
Is that bad thing though?
Maybe maybe maybe they perform worse from ahead. Yeah, there's a chance
Definitely shows signs of
Ulti shirt, you know, they're tier runs there
They're big Victor is always a lot about these team fights these comebacks
It's just never feeling like you could beat them.
Zatanic?
He's going to get the Harpoon Drag back.
Right, I can tell we're not just sad that he can't empower himself.
Yeah.
He's like empowering his teammate.
Yeah.
I hope you guys have fun.
It's okay.
He doesn't want plus 200 damage for free.
It would be too easy.
The game would be too easy.
Would you say because of the fact that this is indeed how it works, if you ever
see a game where there's a Magnus against the Morph, even if it's not Carrie, would
would you say it's a big misplay if the Magnus takes the Chocloid Blaster?
Like is it that way?
Maybe.
But even if you're not carrying, you just do not allow the morph to have the chance to
jump.
Yeah, I can see that.
It's almost like when Shaker, Morph was a really popular combo.
Yep.
The support Shakers, even sometimes the cores, the cores couldn't really skip it, but
the supports would only go one point in the W.
Because then when the morph would jump, you wouldn't get this 5x attack, you'd
only get a 2x.
Spearbreaker, bulldoze.
You also leave that at level 1 or you don't skill it.
You gave it a shot.
Yep.
And he doesn't collapse.
Oh, but the bounce goes away in the stampede.
They're gonna be fine. In fact, Lars in trouble.
Now he's dead.
Okay.
Well, Radan's turned up.
Let's see if he's able to get anything in return.
He gets the strap and all out, but no one's in with the jukes.
Coming in across from the outpost.
They're gonna get there and get the jump on a wall.
Radan comes in as well. Radan's gone. The wall's past the edge. He's gone.
And there they are.
ready for round two. He's in RP. It's in there perfectly. The star stone comes in to there.
No cut. Comes in with a Sunder. He's able to get Rodin back up to a decent position in health.
Rodin, he can stun his ground and fight back now. Curt to see off that play from collapse.
No one scrambles away with the remainder of the BKB. He's on the run. Rodin,
he'll turn to DM, blows up the send door, punch it from nine plus,
hold him up, Poshka back. Poshka is pulled by the stun, but he's alive. They could
have finished him to call. This is leaping forward, trying to get the job done,
But Poshko will finally die to the Shockwave as Static, but Radan is surviving throughout it all!
As collapse gives Radan the wings he needs to fly there in that game.
I think they could just take Rax with no buys.
I mean, I think so, like that's just a Magnus.
Static, of course, without the RP, it's on cooldown.
Radan, here's all you need now to hit the base.
Yeah, move all.
Okay, triple blast, a lot of buybacks.
Uh-oh.
Discure back.
Oh, that's nice.
Radon, okay he nearly kills off the colis and now Radon he's got the bkb
He turns over wall snake, Tannix, Tannix has to get out of there
He's diving in for this
He's looking out of the house towards no one
The sensor is off, jump over DM, hold the cancel
Yeah DM was able to hold the stun, make sure he still connects it
But still the strength is building up on Radon
He's fine, he's able to make the skill up again onto wall DM
And that's a low, he has to stop B to get out of it DM
Radon survived, they used three buybacks
This two, what is this two?
I mean she is still trying but last group is the bkb
Okay
three buybacks they get nothing done that was everything that did everything
happened I still are goes in on Rota beats this like huge fight out that
we're done like somehow live someone gets carried check this out again and then
the dive look at these buybacks by triple triple buyback but we're done look at it
he's not breaking the sweat either than care it's whatever he's ready to get
back in there nearly kills fatality the glimmer came from Dm barely saves
And he's diving in! You know, when you see a carry be able to do this, a team that's just triple buybacked against him being in their base, he's going in even deeper.
And they hit everything.
And they can't kill him!
Radon!
They missed like one spell, which was the skewer at the end of that match.
But if he hit the skewer, he was going to die to the Morphling too, so it wasn't even like a bad spell to miss. It was a good spell to miss.
Oh, Radon!
Yep.
He's doing it this game.
I certainly is. Again, you know, very much was collapsed under there that sort of triggered the beginning of this.
Oop!
Alarm!
Nobody there.
Get nine clocks!
They got their eyes on Satanic as well.
Give us some cooldown!
For two more seconds.
The BKB.
It will be fine if they do pressure for him, but they- this push could come in. 50 seconds, no task.
Spirit, they're in a very smooth spot now.
Yeah, one of these two can dies we've seen it was sort of kill off collapse
But at this point they need to kill both of them if he would collapse or redone in particular survives
They're in a bad spot paravision. They will not be able to tackle this hero without their initial round of ultimates that they draw
Yeah, you look at you click terrible its items, and then I'm like, yeah, this is an off-liner. Oh, yeah
That doesn't look like an off-liner to me it looks like a core
So you have this redawn morphling unkillable is killing all of your cores in half a second
You have collapsed you also if you're not focusing is going to kill your entire team. Oh, he will
Laurel even even without the network. He's still shaker
He's still gonna just constantly stun have all these like spells this utility and that's all he really needs
He just needs to be utility first team just I like that. He's just solo echoing heroes to start the fights off
He's getting these like initial goes it gets the job done. Yeah, I can I can respect that
He doesn't need to be flashy mom
He just needs to and as you say just take one person out of the fight because the flashiness that's been left for
Collapsing that's their job. That's their job. His job is to be as stable as possible. Yeah
And I think he's doing a pretty good job
spirit
What's the next move?
I've roast our spotting so it's gonna just the the timer to start spotting is in 10 seconds
probably waiting for that, and seeing where the map goes. They have no pressure. They also have a lot of time until those that triple buy.
They have four and a half minutes, so depending on how long it takes for Roche to spawn, they're gonna have at least a one minute window
of having ages no buys that they'll probably look to force, but it can be bad. You know, if Roche on spawns the next 30 seconds to a minute,
they're gonna have this huge three minute window. That's a lot of time to have no buybacks.
I just don't know how
How nice Gaven's gonna be.
There we go.
Gaven being nice.
This is an amplified damage room for whoever they wish to give it to.
Probably Radhan, right?
Is he around just to get him in that bottle?
Amplified damage for Morphling.
Ready for the next fight.
Just waiting for this Roshan.
Didn't it used to say, for like us, when we were watching,
how long it would take for Roshan to spawn?
Or never?
I thought we had a little time.
Yeah, we did.
You want a pit?
Yeah, well, Dany, what'd you mean?
I don't know I just I just pretend Rochon spawns whatever it does
Who you mean it says on the rush as well? What are you missing? No, no, no, cuz the timer the bottom left is like a
Within like it'll spawn at at least that 152. Oh
This lies I've been trusting that no, no, that's what players see in the game now
I think it used to say it will spawn at this
No, indeed, as an observer, we would get this cross-time at your right, your right.
And now we see what the player sees, which is, this is like the window of it to spawn.
Yes, yes, yes.
We can still work out the maps right.
Yeah, we have to be able to read clocks.
I think that's not my generation.
Yeah, that's a... what is this circle?
That's a clock?
So, at 9 o'clock?
It is right, wait no, so...
At 11 o'clock.
At 10.45.
10.45.
We need the rush respawn.
Smoke time from Teesburg
This one as I say is gonna be pretty
Nasty because the more for Don as this time to fight damage room ready to press pop is popped now
I get a right. So party needs these fights to be
Very like clean and staticky fights
So they need their sniper to stand still in place show right click and then could they do a fair damage right?
They've got the eye. Yeah. Yeah, this whole game has been pretty fine for party. They've been ahead for most of you
behind I think they're fine just in terms of taking these team fights whereas
Spirit love these like weird fights where heroes are going in and going out
random stunders are happening they with the confusing stuff party needs some
boring fight Roshan is probably a realistically perfect fight for party
they have vision from shrapnel they it lets their snipers still this high
ground outside of the pit
Oop
Uh oh
That's a fake kill
How do you get the BKB off of the Echo Stammer?
If he lives, it's not the worst
He might just get out of there
He's going chant time again in a second
Can he jump away in time?
There's an assassin coming for him
Bleak you one
Nothing to dodge it
He goes down
But the space is there for the rest of the spirit to get the Roshan
Is it...
Easy space period
Is the Shaker's tail...
Is Lausanne worth for that?
Yep, definitely
For Roshan
Definitely
There we go
His team, not so much
There's definitely some uh...
Faults people have when there's like an objective or a call being made and then you die at the same time as an objective or call
I've been yelled at that once or twice it happens. Yeah, you get excited like oh
They're gonna be distracted with the Roshan fight. I can get away with this little thing
You get caught caught by surprise there by the nine class hacks. Yeah. Yeah
It's like it's like a six minute old hex
Unfortunately.
That still happens.
Blink Hexes are always a surprise.
I sometimes get caught by surprise by Brown Boots.
They've done the whole game.
They're moving faster than me.
When they're gonna stick with 20 charges on it and they press it.
That's rough.
Go to the hard game.
That's why we all play it.
What? I think they just wait for Lara on there. They can go.
The provision do they need to kind of take these risks outside the base because obviously they line up right it is very strong in the
High ground with smack in snipe
um
But can you know I don't think it's not play the game sat in your base
You can't if came the base now eventually you're going to lose
Playing like that
But if you if you play the map in a way that you force them to have to go high ground to deal with you
So you split push without getting caught is the hard part because when you switch without getting caught
The best option for that is for them to force you high ground events because then you have to sit in your bait
You have to defend your base
As just part of the best heroes at doing this like safe split pushing
There's no zoo. There's no illusion heroes. All their heroes are kind of very honest and have to show up
They don't even have nukes that push out lanes
Hmm
You went the rp's thunderation on Magnus at 25. What would you think about going in power damage? I think the power might
Give is more. I'm not sure. I feel like just 10% surely sounds very it's a lot inspired
Yeah, it is 15% for Magnus himself. Is it like more inspiring?
Or 15 still not a good number. It's just when you're going this refresher, right?
You know you're gonna go refresh just so that 0.8. It's 1.6. You know what I mean?
Yeah, two rounds of the RP stuff. That's true. I just worry that
That you do need you need most you got could you
Like what's gonna do more damage right having 15% more damage on your right clicks or being able to hit them off for
1.6 more seconds
Like it's it's simple master
Maybe yeah, they're ready for the high ground. They don't want to leave the base. They want them to come to them
Because how much of a percent increase of the stun duration is not point eight. So hard to say but then you're also thinking sniper
Getting a bit more damage
He's only getting 16 damage
Radiant, I'll scan.
The extra 10% of power damage.
That's the thing. I think at the end of the day, the longer stun, the more damage.
You didn't like the Sven stun the other day.
What was the option with Sven?
Is it 1 second longer stun or 50% more damage?
Yeah, that's 50%.
That's not 15, this is 15.
People get that confused all the time.
What do you mean?
15 and 50.
And then you got the untrue face, that's 25, there's no an if 50%.
Then three put it on centaur 35
Pretty close
Still not 50. Oh, okay. Yes 10% it's like yeah, if they want me to buy that they're gonna come at me with a better deal
Sure, I'm not buying 10% I mean, okay. It is a 4.3 seconds done per RP
That's 8.6 seconds of stunts with those refreshers. That's what I'm saying
If you can't go for a dodge in this amount of time, yeah, okay
They can kill me. They can start to get him the ones. Let's see if they can do anything
Second time rounds people nervous coming out that way they'll just fail out from this
They're happy with claiming the ages and the egg and setting up for the high ground because as we had store for no one in the old
Chat this is where they want to fight they want spirit to try and push they want to set up for the high ground offensive power
They're gonna maybe smoke out it looks like Satanic is kind of looking I've got this double RP
See what satanic and crap
So get the easy
I think for Spirit, they're just gonna let Rude go.
They don't wanna fight 4 vs 5.
Giving a bit of space for Power Vision.
Still, stepping out of the base is not where Power Vision's in their element.
Yep.
They...
I mean, they're still fine if they get these jumps on them where they're constantly being the ones going on Spirit,
but they get to stand still and right-click them.
But it's just so much easier to do that to defending high ground.
As opposed to...
You know, this hunting game that they kind of have to play right now.
it's getting to the hard part. 50 minutes. I would say around 50 minutes it's
Dota changes like around 45 minutes where it's now just your 5 heroes on the same screen at all
times. You do everything together and every fight can just switch from you know you casually jumping
a hero I think it's really fine to 10 buybacks are being forced. You have to constantly be ready
at all times. It's really hard to play these games and teachers have a lot of practice
with the 70 minute games yeah I mean that's that's why I felt like it's the
edge I think you have to write when it gets to this sort of state from what
we're seeing from Team Spirit I mean how are 100 games was
they weren't super long right they're like normal like games there was 152
minute game it was the one that party actually won was a 15 minute game
And then we'll do it with Spirit against, uh, Khymeri.
They went in, they lost one and they won the third.
And then they won the Spirit, Khymeri won.
Yeah, and then they won the stop.
Remember, Spirit stopped game two, then they won the 80 minute game, game three.
And they did lose a seven, the first one was what, 70 minutes?
Yeah, but they won 80 minutes, right?
They did win the longer one.
Alright, so 30 more minutes for Team Spirit to win.
And that's when they're, that's prime time for Team Spirit.
And Parry got, maybe the next like 15.
Trust us guys.
I mean this game is going to be because if you're paraphrasing you just you don't want to take risks, right?
Because you lose this you're out. You're already down one game
Yeah, this could be it and then this you're out of the tournament you come third nobody wants to come third
Nobody nobody wants to come second. You got a win
True we also all the winner in phase one who got who the last place and you guys went third place
They would all say no, I don't want the place 16 place. It's all the same
You gotta win
In it to win it so provision that we plan this very careful now
One alive on the edge
Not really good. He's fine. He's wanted a voice on him. This is also a really funny part for
From playing with people and like watching these games you can tell the players get a bit antsy and or bored or a little bit of both
There's a lot more like the voice lines always stop in the mid game. It's like the lady stage
There's like voice lines tips if you were gonna all chat it's there and then it hits this like
1520 minute mark and
It's a lot of like fighting and constantly going and so the voice lines and tips kind of like die down in this mid game
And you get back to 50 minutes and people get bored again
So you have no one like all chatting like to come in the game
You got these like I think DM just blinked in just a voice line
Roo there for fun. They want they want something to happen. So they're gonna smoke up
Don't like these fights with sniper, huh?
You just want them to say hi guys to the thing right now if it gets caught. It's it's a big
Oh, yeah, but how how late do you want this game to go? You just want it to never end
I think this could be a long one
If they send their base, you know, this is gonna be one of those smokes where if someone gets caught if one person dies
As soon as everyone's gonna start running. I don't know if one of the teams will full commit. It's so difficult right now
Dude, no one is just walking in first. It is terrifying. What is this?
Okay, as soon as the smoke dispel as he bounces out of there with the grenade still
All the worst places
The echo from love didn't really do a whole lot plus the BKPB has got a refresher shard
So he's ready. We're the second one if necessary
Across what's the more to look at the hex? Well, let me get back to rest of teams. They turn it
However, we'll get dragged back on Ryu. Ryu's gone.
RPS is a win.
Alright, we missed an ult, left, right, and center here in this team fight.
This is how it goes.
Both squads.
And what did I tell you? One person dies, now they're scared.
Oh, I said that. Actually, DM's actually still in.
He makes the jump onto collapse.
It's waiting for the rest of the team to connect.
There's the RP from Lala onto 9-class.
RP from Saitanik. He actually gets the look down on towards Radar.
Radar punched up, taken down.
They've killed the ball.
Parry vision. They're more than happy with this collapse.
He's gonna try to land on his ground and he's healing up but he's dead!
Haravision Warhol!
Spirit!
The posh kept also gonna be going down like the on the way out, the Harpoon drags him back in!
Haravision take the four of them!
Spirit!
They get nothing!
That was...
Weird fight.
I think Spirit wasn't ready for that.
Yeah, but I was gonna be careful as well.
I don't think they were expecting just how the fight went out.
Without Lara like instantly reacted to the Centaur.
I mean, they're ready to try and force out some of these buybacks now, Paravish.
Yeah, and...
Three bikes coming down the mid.
They look at the Roche on as well.
State Tank and Noel will be able to pick that up.
And then they'll have nearly a minute, but there's no Phoenix more or terribly for the defense.
Yeah, I think for Spirit, you might even just consider giving up one or two sides of Rax.
And nothing really too pressured.
Lol.
Lol.
BKB on cooldown was trying to push out the spot on wave.
He's gone as well.
the hero that potentially might have to buy back forced out of them someone's
probably gonna buy back right what's the what's sort of the call here you've got
the big ones redone and collapse dead for 30 are they gonna have to buy back
but they just sit back and let these racks go I think they sit back it's not
worth it Laurel's going a hundred percent yep just because of how long his
is but yeah the other two usually if you lose the side you lose the side
All right, so the thing I've learned this series is to never be ahead in gold it's bad
It does seem to be a bit of a curse
Mid melee's gone. They get the tier three bottom. They're pulled back now
What the now means that?
parties in trouble
There's no now party parties in the loop. It's fear when they get behind so
Maybe it was it was intentional
It's like a little strategy. You want to be behind you at the adrenaline
And we're gonna get we're gonna get those mad stones and see a fives
Coming out very soon
The two or fives seem less
Crazy, I'll agree. Yeah, there's they're not as like
Insane, yeah, they don't feel it just relative to everything else and the facility and already kind of tear falls with enhancements
Can be very very strong. Yeah, I
Would say the enchantments
Yeah, the actives
Or like the art is it the artifact component of it? Yeah, they just don't seem as strong as the
The old tier 5s, but the new
Enchantments are all really good. There's some really good. I think there's like some crazy
XP one or GPM one. Which one is it? Yes 600 XP per minute
Is one of the one so you just get level 30 if you have a super good level 30
Yeah, and that's the great thing right you can always reroll it 10 minutes later
Yeah, get yourself some more mad stone and then replace it after you have the benefit for get level 30
You swap it out for a one that actually does damage
So no one still doesn't have the the Aegis
But it's a lot less scary for him. You can let satanic go in for you kind of body as his tinky-magnus
and
They also don't I don't think these Laura initiations have been
Good because it's hard for them to actually get a good job
They're also split on the side of par vision that he keeps ending up sure like he's still like those are fine
But especially if you just don't get the kill or you get initiated on right after the key for these last few fights
It's it doesn't seem to be enough
Well collapse. Oh
He's in Zm's gonna make the jump on him with a hoost on big any comes out from nine class collapse back up to the
high ground
Well, trying to see if you can shut down the escape of any of them tries to block them off the fishing
But they're still able to make it around the side of it
It's a power vision and pulled back.
Towns still looks to go again.
Still have refreshers and BKBs ready to pop.
Radan's heading out at the base.
Won't be able to chase them.
Has to respect the fact they've still got this Aegis,
but just under two minutes on Static.
And if I damage ruin it, we're ready in the river.
Di-am's going to look for it.
Lark is in with the Star of Echo once again.
Just trying to control Di-am by trying for Radan
to come up and bring the damage, and there will be enough.
As Di-am's gone.
Radar ready look for his next target. He's got waveform again in a second checks for the trees. They panic
They found him because the fish are in on towards him as well satanic. He's trying to the RP off by the side
He's got no one
See if we're the friends. Yeah, jump stick get this guy going on towards my posture
Supernova's gonna come out the chase hit at the side last him
But no one's able to turn shoot down the shake along will fall dead for two minutes
Of course with a buyback on cooldown collapse aggressively using the Sun's on nine class forces for its closing on towards no one way
They've come in for Rodan, they've killed the Sniper but the Bioback will come out from Rodan.
They've come out from the Sniper, Rodan. He kills all the R-R-R-P's there for Satanic.
They've killed Rodan. Miposhka gets shot down. Triple kill for Satanic.
Steward over towards Rue.
This fight's going to be Para-Visions.
You blinking one? Or if Rue gets out?
But no Biobacks.
As Rue, he has got the Bioback but it lars out.
It seems to be sent from Miposhka.
So there, it's push time.
Here for ParaVision, as they're ready to get up in the base and see what they can do.
It's also the Meadow, so there's no Meadow on the TerraWave for 40 seconds.
He's trying to buy his Ags.
It looks like just to get, yeah, he bought Ags on the TerraWave.
So he has one way to get Meadow with the TerraWave.
See what they can try here, and see how much ParaVision you get.
They get the second set of Barracks, down bottom.
They're gonna try and hit the TerraWave.
Rune's got five Ags as they said, so they can put together three versus five defense.
Radan and Collab, they're going for the wraparound, see if they can get the jump in, there it is!
But straight away he gets caught by the heck to the start of this one, Collab!
Collab's wall forced down to the low ground, also clipped by the silence, Radan focuses straight towards
knowing they kill the sniper! Radan now ready to turn it over towards DM,
but the skewers there from, they turn it, Collab's beating it to the Magnus,
so damage is done to Briggs, they turn it down, Radan, he's got the spreatum now to continue for more!
And they'll chase Paravision out of their side of the map,
Jump forward, they get their hands on to 9 class.
They'll snuggle away towards the creeps in the jungle, but Radar turns into the Magnus,
skewers him down.
As they'll keep the game alive here, the three of them are spirit.
They deal with that 5 man pressure of paravision.
They keep their ancient alive, they only lost the tier 4s in a couple of sets of
barracks.
This game, it's still on the table for spirit gunner.
Did the team lose?
What is this?
I mean super sick read my spirit so claps buys his axe blessing gets his meta
From tariff also just do colors got the Wind Waker off
Like he got blinked in melee range almost Wind Waker's a sniper of the fights horrible
So the fights actually playable for party a bit. They still do your kite out and I
Don't know this game is so close so now Satanic is no buy either. So what is it the buyback?
That's right. There's zero buybacks. Oh
It's good. I was like yeah, actually zero buybacks. Hey James gonna get out of here
He has no BKB.
But the blink.
Yeah, he's TPing.
They don't want to chase.
There's an RP on the Magnus.
It's scary.
Ah, it's scary for both sides.
I mean, scary though, so full for the Power Infusion,
but there's still a moment where there's nobody back on the sniper.
40 seconds, it's 3v5.
Are we going to do the magic again?
Ah, can they end?
Surely they can't end.
They could end the 30 seconds with a 1v3.
Let's have a look.
Radan's going to try.
Onto the Stair Force.
Deans wrapping in from the back lines
The creeps are in the back door protections go on go on
They got a big digger a Mac. He's not gonna be able to go in the team force are gone
They're onto the ancient he has to go
I mean, they're gonna do it again last just stop being safe any for me to get in there now
I still afford to get the Rp and underwater feelings, but they could just hit the h&m the game
It's over that won the game that won the series
team spirit
Tuesday today
Perfect the victories are quite incredible ones here come that
Yeah, it feels just like the first game.
A bit, a way more back and forth game.
This one was more back and forth.
Oh, it's true.
They have the advantage.
They're all behind, but the way it ends, I, yeah.
Both games was where you look at the scoreboard alone, and you're like, what has happened?
And I think that's exactly how ParaVision is feeling.
Both games have got a, it's got to feel like kind of the universe is against you
winning.
Yeah.
close multiple times in both with the games this series but they couldn't close
them up gonna a bit of like you're throwing away or leave it feels like
over and over and these buybacks just wow it hurts par vision I think they're
using these buys they want to win these fights with the buys and then it ends up
being oh whoops we we lost the fight we don't have any buybacks and just a
3v5 that two spirit just the spell casting they clutching that spender
last second to save him all the fighting teams are back there absolutely they're
back bigger and better than ever really with the performance we saw from them in
both of these games crazy stuff front-end sprayer and yeah para vision they're
gonna be feeling pretty distraught after these two game losses rough ones
rough again just when you look at the store look at these KDA's 11 to 14
Magnus, 11-4-15, Sniper. Even 2-4-22 Centaur? Yeah, up 12 kills. They probably were up gold by the end of the game, let's be honest.
That's how Spirit does it. Wow. Well, can't wait to see more of Spirit, and we're gonna get that true, of course.
They're moving on to the Grand Finals here at Dream League Season 25. Team Spirit, they take this series 2-0, looking power vision out.
And continuing their momentum, they beat Chimera and now they're here lower bracket finals of beating ParryVision 2-0.
And now they've got a date with Tundra in a best of five in the grand finals here at Dream League season 25.
Yet again, another performance from Spirit where it seems like early on maybe they're falling behind a little bit, maybe they're slipping.
And then team fight after team fight after team fight spirit prove why there are two time TI winners
They like playing for the late game
Consistently, I mean both games they were just kind of behind for an extended period of time
But they know that they had the good carry matchups as the game continued and the morphing really paid off
I mean he wasn't as effective as Clark at absorbing RPs
But he was still quite good with the healing on top of him and most importantly the the collapse
thunders that kept coming out to extend his life so just incredible core
performances from Team Spirit but everybody played well too. Yeah of course
everyone played well but there are like the biggest clutch ups came out of
collapse in the way that he was able to change the use of this thunder in his
mind I feel like it's so easy. Yeah this is it. Yeah to get narrow minded and be like oh
thunder is offensive it's for me. No it can be defense it can save your
all hard carry that is just brought back into the game,
literally give you this last sliver of a hope,
the window opening again to close out a game too
and just throw, just throw and look,
I'll just keep running at them.
That's something that is magical about this team,
ever since the team has been formed,
the way they play, decision making,
never underestimate team spirit
when it comes down to the high ground defense,
late game, I think in this game
we didn't even have two or five neutral items at all,
they just ran down the mid lane one more time.
I think it comes down to buybacks because they like the way that they've been using buybacks on
side of Paravision to win some of these fights and then not having them.
And you've seen the last fight when it really mattered.
Collapse, he buys Aghanim Scepters, so he has fear available.
He has that metamorphosis for 15 seconds, which has been buffed from 10 to 15 makes quite a
lot of difference. And also Yattaro, aka Rodan, he does buy SNY just to have that extra bit
of extra bit of status resistance that came in really clutch.
The big oomph that I feel like we're seeing from the Terrablade especially is that it got popular as an offlaner with the pipe rush
and some other utility items, but now they're just like, I'm gonna buy an Orchid and then I'm gonna buy all normal items
and we're just gonna have two carries. And then Sundar and your teammate doesn't even feel bad because they're like,
I'll Sundar and ally and I'll have five damage items since they're Tanax, so I'm gonna heal back to full anyways
because I'm not really the focus of the fight. It really just elongates their likelihood of winning the game.
But they was really close.
I feel like it compounds that when you see it on paper like a morphling and an earth shaker and a
terrible blade as your three cause you're like maybe this is a little too greedy maybe it takes a
little too long to get online you did see the weaknesses of that in the early game parry vision
really utilized it it's just a shame that spirit is so good at even when you're maybe one item
down or one item off of the big power spike of a hero they can still take a team fight they're
They're still able to dance around it, it kind of kite in, kite out, and then you're
just like, okay, well, it was supposed to be weak at this point, and yet somehow still
they could have an advantage to a team fight.
And then you hit your big timings, you hit your big items, all three clubs have really
come online, and it's just, yeah, all around the buybacks, and no one does it better than
Team Spirit right now.
There's no other team that makes a net worth deficit look so good other than
team spirit. And now I get an opportunity to speak to the man of the hour, Radan. I won't
take too much of your time because I know you have a grand final to prepare for, but are
these the kind of series that you missed during your time off that these kinds of high intensity,
you know, anything goes, it's a matter of 10 HP here and there. Is that what you missed
most?
I don't understand.
In your time off, because we saw an interview with you where you said like you took
the time off, but then you ended up not needing as much time as you wanted.
You were like maybe a year, maybe six months, you came back after like three months.
Is this the kind of dota that you missed?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
I'm glad that it feels that way.
How much props are you giving to collapse for that series, or at least that game too
with the Sunders?
I'm just screaming it by all but games, Sunders under me, and he just like, I'm riding,
I'm riding and Sundered.
So yeah, he played well this game.
How about for your game?
So we noticed that the Morphling-Magnus matchup
has changed now with the new facets.
So did you know that before you came into the game?
No, I understood it like first time
when they used it with Magnus.
So I'm like, OK, I may be a bit fucked up, but it's OK.
I'm assuming that's the reason why you last picked
Morphling, though, is because that matchup
He's so good for Morph Lang.
Yeah, anyways, like even if I can't use my power, he just has not enough damage to kill me.
Like he Rp me and not enough damage also we got Thunder so I just understood what house game goes
but they are a good team and they always hold bybacks after mid kills.
So the byback is 3.
I think they had no buybacks, the game was over, but as a playing very good as a team as well.
And it was good, like, it was good series, yeah.
We agree, it was a hell of a lower bracket final, and now you've got a grand final to prepare for.
If you don't mind, could we get a prediction on how you think that series against Tundra is going to go?
I don't know, actually we'll see, we'll see.
gonna prepare now and gonna fight with them in the grand final.
I can't wait to see it then, Radan. I will let you prepare. I will let all team spirit prepare after a fantastic lower bracket final.
Congratulations on making it to grand finals and best of luck.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
It was a hell of a performance from Radan and, you know, one that we actually didn't have, we didn't have too many pauses in that one.
And it's a good thing because sometimes pauses and dota they can have major implications
I hate pauses
Never really read these tips before I wonder if there's something actually useful
Did you know Lena and Crystal Maiden are sisters? Huh? That's pretty interesting actually
About to be ambushed
What the fuck?
Did you know the average adult male has 5.7 liters of blood?
Oh my god.
Lock my door?
One second.
Why the hell did you unpause?
I wasn't even back yet.
I'm not gonna stop talking!
Let's talk too much and chat!
I unmuted that pause time!
Oh, if only I had known.
Well, whatever.
You hate to see it.
Or shall we, though? Brian has passed away. Maybe he'll show up for next series. Maybe
he has an Aegis. The pause demon strikes again.
Yeah, it's really too bad for him that he unpaused like that and then stood still for
it. Does that ever happen in your game? So it happens in mine sometimes.
You ever read those loading screen tips?
Not really. I'm the one who's spamming F9 as soon as the game is paused. But I'm
really glad. One of the most quality improvements we had in Dota is you can't pause at
the start of the game.
Oh my gosh, so many smoke breaks at the very beginning.
And even though we had to replace one of our panel members
with a corpse, we know that over off in the corner, Nat T.
What are you doing hiding up there?
Well, I know that Team Spirit need that time
to rejuvenate and re-energize.
And we're going to give it to them.
But in the meantime, backed by popular demand,
it's Dream League times connections.
I made some more for you guys.
That's all right.
You guys have played it, New York Times, what it is, is you have to make four groups of
four words I've gone ahead and made some Dota-related ones for us.
And Neil, I thought maybe the couch was a little lonely, maybe three brains wouldn't
be big enough.
True.
I mean, one of our panelists is missing a head right now, so yeah, I see.
We have the casters conducted also.
Yeah, you're going to get a little bit of help from them too.
Olin and Dana Steppen.
Have you guys ever played this before?
Yes.
Okay, yeah, I watched it last time. I watched the Dota connections. Oh, you know what? It was good. I missed it
It was good. All right. Well, at least you know the general just have had a play everyone else in the cat except for the cost
I believe yeah, I never played that but yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get some help from
Owen Owen seems like he's been owning on this business
It's not individual by any means if you guys are ready. I'm ready. Let's make some connections
All right, let's do it. Let's bring the first one up pretty please production so this one
I like to theme them all this one's around the heroes
Okay, as you can see you have troll Queen of Pain a pudge anti mage Marcy which doctor Marana terribly the chaos night
Tez that one in there for you
Spectre dragon night Dazzle last deal crystal maiden and Windranger
Hmm, and we need to group these and groups of four on what for these heroes may have in common
I've got one already. Okay. Oh, and what's that? Dazzle specter and which doctor they're all purple
Colors, I don't know about that one. They're definitely hundred percent. Yeah, it's like all my money all my money on this
Yeah, let's lock that one. Look it in. I lock it in
Okay, well done. Oh, that was the second easiest
level so it would be blue is the easiest and yellow purple and green by color and
difficulty increasing okay okay so there is one that's easier I've got another
one all right okay life stealer CK cares troll we'll have in-built life so hang on
life stealer CK troll and cares and cares cuz that's life so right doesn't
Marcy technically also
Okay, maybe help back on this one. Okay, maybe I'm out. I
Like how proactive you are though. What if you remove troll because this is ultimate well, it's also
Ted's old gives like life steal or healing. It's not it's like about life steal. Yeah, it was not the only pop
Kesson his grapple hook. Oh wait, wait, wait. I have three. I don't know if there's a fourth yet
Windranger
Mara
I
I was going there was one other one. It was the ultimate to give a tax be gone Marcy ultimate to give a tax bid
But I couldn't find a floor. I was thinking about skill shots when Ranger power shot Marana arrow pudge hook plus one that I'm missing
That's good. That's good
Pro is a skill shot
You have a lot of control where that goes
Popped is Marcy rebound a skill shot. Yeah, we technically
It's a bit of a spread.
It's flimsy.
We're on Quapolt.
What is that Quapolt?
It's a skill shot.
Yeah, but if that's the skill shot, how's Rebound not a skill shot?
Because Rebound's like a vector skill shot.
If Sonic waves a skill shot, how's DK Breed Fire not a skill shot?
I don't know.
DK's...
I never played this, guys.
I guess Breed Fire, you can still click on a hero.
Sonic Wave, you can't actually click on a hero.
You're the runner, Joe.
If you walk one in, let's send it on Quap, add Quap, please.
I'm down to send it.
Just to see if it works.
It is
Bad I thought that might be some contentious, you know views on his pop-out was it skillshot
I don't know if production has it or not, but I had like a compilation of clips of pretty much all our pro players
Missing it's a very missable. Yeah
It's not ready, but just know there were a lot just from this dream League alone
What about hard carries troll TB CK plus
Maybe CK not as much a life stealer instead TV is clearly an off-laner if you
Lot of carries left
You could fit like
Like the hard carries like Dota old-school hard
Wait, I'm cooking. I'm cooking gonna something roll Kaz DK terrible. I'd roll Kaz DK terrible all melee and range heroes
Actually, they have like a transform
That's a lot.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, look at it.
That's like that shit in.
Yeah, 100% good luck man.
Alright, so now I gotta pull my way around here.
What do Marcy, CK, Lifestealer and Crystal made and have in common?
I know Marcy and Siam were in the anime.
Anyway, will Siam in the anime?
No, sure.
Yeah, never mind.
Just lean it.
Would you like a help?
No.
Okay.
Okay, no hints.
No hoping.
What level difficulty is this one?
This is the hardest one.
So you have left.
RCC, CK, Lifestealer, Crystal Maiden.
For anyone who might be tuning in for the first time,
we like to play it that even though you have the last four,
you know, you know, they're a group together.
We like to try and guess what the group is,
what they do have in common.
That's a little bit of fun, a little bit of difficulty too.
Could it be something to do with the fact
that all of their ults have like a kind of a long duration?
That's something along that one. Yeah, but then co-op would have been there too. No
It's gone, you know, I mean I see an effect for a while see I'm also channeled CK's out last for a while with illusions Marci
Out last for what's buff?
I don't know it might be far fetched. That's a bit far fetched. Okay
I'm just detailed also last of a while. Yeah, that's true actually considering your one. Yeah, Gunner. Can we get a hint? Oh
Oh
You're in control of this how oh you want you ready for me use specific veto to hint
Yeah, you're the only one everyone else said yes, but you like no hint okay fine. Okay. All right. The hint is it's very recent
very
We got some attribute changes you did that last time I did do that last time maybe not
Attribute changes I can't speak I bet the bidet
They all
Maybe they they all got it's got to be facets, right? It's fast it changes, right? No, it's
No, the innates
I kind of like what all is going with this gotta is the facets, right?
So you guys got them. Did they all lose a facet?
They all got new a facet you five seven point
Oh, that's slick.
Jumping, good job.
You guys did really well.
I was super impressed with that one.
You guys did phenomenal jump.
We have more?
I...
We do, but I don't believe we have...
What?
I think we have time.
Can we...
We can't do it.
We have a little hurry up.
Please.
Team Spirit are chomping at the bit.
Tundra have been waiting patiently for an opportunity
to play their best of five.
But that's just here at Dream League.
You know, we all get to
wrap up our Dream League experience, because this is the last time we'll be on camera.
We'll go in a quick order.
Lacoste?
Had a great time, it was a long one, but this is how we expected to be,
and I'm really glad that we had Patch in between, which kind of changed everything.
We saw some of the teams really stepping up.
We saw a really good Chimera story,
because they've been winning all of their games once the new Patch dropped,
and yep, just overall, I mean, always happy to be here at the Dream League.
The hell of a time, Purge.
Yeah, definitely agree with the patch. It's always fun to get that in the middle of the tournament.
That first morning after the patch came out, everyone was so excited to get on camera and talk about all the new stuff that happened.
So that was a really magical moment, and I bet it always happens at DreamLeague.
It's a DreamLeague ritual at this point, and one of some of our freshman talent, Natty!
How was your DreamLeague experience for the very first time?
I loved it. Every element of the last two weeks has been phenomenal, but it's on camera, off camera, the doder as well.
The play is it's been a good mix of just a lot of fun
And I mean I get to make some fun games to you guys to either play at home for our talent to play as well
So yeah, I don't know
I've just loved everything that I've been able to do and you're part of
So thank you guys. It was a pleasure having you Nat. You as well as another one of our newcomers a gunner
What a treat it was to have you cast me. You may have gunner one last one. One last new gunner, please
Gunner, did you have a good dream league season 25?
Yes, that's what I like to hear.
My man, it's been a pleasure.
And then one panned over to OD Pixel.
OD Pixel, how was your Dream League Season 25 experience?
It was great. As I said, it was the best Dream League we've ever done.
It only gets better and better every single time.
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Granny's only left you her own armchair
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When the fire burns bright
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about the two teams. We've got Team Spirit and Tundra and the best of five between them
and the one team that will make it out alive. That sounds very grim. It's not intended to
be that grim, but of course we have a lot of people to talk about the fantastic teams.
Before though, I just want people to realize that I know you're just seeing a Pog performance
by the Pogjam Pandas. They're gonna be at home late today. So I'm just gonna make
sure that you guys are aware of that. That's an advertiser, if you will. Yeah.
The main course is yet to come, is that right Tom?
Is that right Bob?
Is that right Jens?
It's from Jens, they don't have microphones
but I figured I'd let you guys know at home.
We got Jenkins, FESJ, Jenkins, how are you doing?
I'm fantastic, to be honest,
I'm very happy about who's in the grand finals.
I love seeing Spirit when they're back up against
the World Youth League, Tundra,
it's gonna be a 3-0 grand finals.
That's exactly when Team Spirit's the ones gonna 3-0, 3-2.
I'm here, that's fun to me.
I'm not sure who will take it.
I do favor Tundra a little bit, but every Grand Finals with Team Spirit Inn is one for the books.
If this team, you can never count them out. They're always winning from net worth deficits.
They win in drafts that you don't expect them to, and I hope they can bring that same energy from their series
that they just played to the Grand Finals.
Yeah, there's absolutely a clear dynamic going on here. You've got like the polished early game nerd team in Tundra.
You can see 33 showing up at all the players. I was watching some of the Dorachios like gameplay from yesterday.
I'm like he's been on 33s team for at least a couple months now just by the little weird creep pulls
He was doing and all that so I expect to see a lead from tundra in the early game some of the last series
But he's very like one of the best teams as mirror mentioned executing from behind
They always create like drag out this game in like insane ways playing around their buyback timers
And it ends up being a bit of a stall sometimes, but it always leads. It's like building up this they're just waiting for an
Opportunity like being behind this is ideal for team spirit
This is how they function and they won 2 TI's in Riyadh this way.
I mean, they literally won the first game of their series this morning
by being behind all the way until they GG'd out, or until rather paraphrase and GG'd out, of course.
You know, that's just the way they like to win. They like the challenge
and I think that Tundra is going to give them exactly that as we're heading into the series.
We're also going to check in with Fear, who has something prepared for us.
That is right, Shever. I think when you think about Tundra or any 33 team in particular,
You're often thinking about the heroes they pick, especially when you have Dorachio, 33, Beesium, they're all hero specialists.
So one would say you might have to pick your poison on what you want to play against when playing against this team.
So I brought a graphic of some of the heroes that they do like to pick on their first overall pick, or just in general picking in the first phase.
So which of these heroes is Team Spirit wanting to give Tundra?
the Marci that they flexed on Soxa and Dorachio, the Night Stalker, which they can pick up and they've played on Soxa twice now as a support.
They want to pick the Magnus, who Dorachio has played three games on this patch and has won every single one of them.
The Ember Spirit for BZM, Dorachio's Life Stealer again, or do you want to do one of the Forbidden Heroes in the Tiny or the DK who have been permanently banned?
So I'm going to go to the panel a little bit and if you were...
That's a quiz?
Yeah, if you were in Spirit Shoes, which of those heroes would you not want them to?
to have. I mean I'm happy I'm here as the host so I don't have to make the
decision Brian. I would definitely not let them have Marcy. Sokka has really shown
like his prowess on the hero and also the flex potential makes it even more
confusing in the trap. It opens up IO like there's a bunch of other heroes they
at the band has. Is that your number one though? Probably out of all the other heroes. But that knight stalker should be in there too because you
could say the exact same thing for that. Well then there you go. Any
different takes over here? Actually I want to plus one the Marcy because I
was actually talking about this hero like the second it dropped I was like
I can't see anyone giving this tundra after they played that first save group stage one and that was before they even played it on
Karius Dorachio, I think it just opens up their draft in too many ways
But another big one. I think is the Magnus like they look horrific. I agree
Yeah, that's my number one as well. I feel like you see a bad carry-to-carry matchup for Dorachio and
Somehow he's just top-net worth and he shows up to the fights outplays in the fights
And the game is a complete another stomp like I've never seen a team stomp so hard when he's on the mag
Which I did not expect honestly, what about letting through one of the
Forbidden heroes try the DK like this gunner actually fear theorized this during the cast
I think game game one so like let the DK through would you rather let the tiny through though?
I'm not sure I I feel like there's a there's an idea that you could let the DK through because I
I do feel like the first few days of the patch really soured people's tastes on this hero
But then they fixed some things and the meta has also shifted
So there's a world where you just completely hard counter it and it's worth it
I
Don't know about letting DK through especially during grand finals because the hero like let's not forget that it's moved from being
Only a carry with this new patch to also being a mid laner and an off laner
And you're dealing with another like three-way flex hero that already has such a high win rate that people haven't played enough against
to really counter it.
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see though, because luckily we don't have to make that decision.
That's going to be up to Tundra and Spear to see what they'll let through for each other.
Both of these teams in the first half of this event, obviously before the patch, they came
out on top of their group, very good for them, first in group A versus first in group
B. And then you'd think things would change a little bit with a patch, but it didn't.
They're still meeting each other in the finals, but things did change, like for example,
tormentors. And speaking of that, we have to have our final chapter of Tormy Time.
Welcome to the last Tormy Time of Dream League, where we walk you through the field data, the
statistics, the trends in the tormentors. So let's make it snappy and bring up the graphic.
So for this graphic, I basically just collied up from the patch, from the start of
group stage two till now, what the amount of teams are that took first tormentor,
that one. So in 65% of the maps that first Tormentor was taken, it was a win.
And if we could pull out yesterday's highlight, please? Brian?
Yeah, so this is a bit of an evolution of the meta. At first we saw 5 on 5s at every single Tormentor contest,
and then we saw teams that were losing be like, oh, if we lose the fight at the Tormentor, the game's over.
So then the team that's losing doesn't contest at all. And then the team, now Tundra is whipping it out where
they only brought three heroes to the Tormentor, so it's almost more reminiscent of the old Tormentor,
Tormentor because they know that they don't have to give up the lanes and the map control and
There's something that maybe we'll even see the bluff catch coming out from Team Spirit saying well
You may be down by or we may be down by four or five K
but we know you're gonna do this like show one hero mid push out the lanes as you were mentioning and
Then contests with a 5v3. So now it's kind of like a bluff situation
I'd say yeah
We've seen like a really big evolution of it being dire favorite at the start and to radiant favorite into teams starting to
defend their safe lane a lot more into what Brian's setting completely like giving up on
it sometimes. And I think the final evolution has brought us to today where we'll probably
see a lot of teams or not a lot of teams with two teams remaining not contested anymore.
And I think that Tundra should take almost every tournament for this series just based
on the trends that we've seen.
Thank you very much.
This is my first time I said that was coming time. And I do like the way that
you brought up for both of these teams because they have a very different philosophy when it comes
to tournaments and just with that in general, take as map movements because yesterday we've seen
Team Tundra be very specific and they basically ran their same strat back to back to back, didn't
work out for one of the games obviously, but they did go for early timers and they made sure
they got that tournament for a minute fifteen. Yeah they always run all five of their heroes
at whatever they're doing, they will also dive here twos and I think they pick heroes that
let them do that. We see the tri-strength core come out from them. So for whatever reason
they value this. We saw Taimira, you know, rest in pepperonis to those guys, but they
had some really good ideas. They would take Roche as a trade and let the other team take
the tormentor. So I do agree that it is a bit of a rock-paper-scissors type scenario,
maybe throwing in some other, you know, types of moves there. People are discovering
the new moves, but it's really interesting to see how it will develop.
Yeah, it is interesting. Also, it will be interesting to see which heroes they'll use, because it has been a weak-ish little bit more on the new patch.
And let's take a look at the heroes that the teams have been playing.
A couple of honorable mentions in there as well. I feel like that should be the thing that I want to mention first, Fear.
I think yesterday, especially BZM had another couple of clinics on the Invoker.
And I don't know if we're going to see that coming out of Laurel anytime soon, but how do you feel about dealing with that?
Well, I think right now a lot of teams are either underestimating this Invoker or I just don't have a good read on it
Whereas BZM definitely has good reading his team has an amazing read on this hero
So I feel like that is something for sure Tundra are gonna want to pull out
I don't think Laurel is really looking at Invoker this series. This is not a hero
He's been practicing a whole lot in this patch
So and I don't know if you want to try and play Tundra's game either you want to play your own game
Well, let's see what the game is that both of these teams want to be playing
and let's hear what they have to say before going into this grand finals.
I think we make a lot of work already, but we need to do more.
Sometimes they look really good, sometimes they look not good.
They have their bad moments, but they're still desperate.
We are always like top four, top three.
I wanna win some tournament already.
I got the team in the kitchen, what is it?
Every repersize coming in hot!
Rue charges across the business team by catching up to T8000.
Tandra is a good team, they very strong, have great players, they have good ideas, good drafts.
They always pick comfortable heroes, plays their totem.
Got some good results, good of them better of course,
we're like, there are reasons behind them, we're figuring out the reasons.
I think this matchup is very interesting in a lot of ways, we do have Team Spirit, they're
the team that loves to take a late game, we saw in the last series, they just one-off clutch
decision making, forcing your enemy to make mistakes in that late game situation, versus,
I want to say, one of the faster teams, maybe Chimera may have been a little bit faster,
you could argue that, but this is definitely the most consistent team at playing fast,
they want to end the game quickly, so it's really going to be a game of, can Tundra
keep the speed up without making mistakes, or will Spear be able to out late game you
with Radon in the late game high ground defense? That's actually my primary concern
for this as well because team spirit like even in the series that they just
won they came back from network deficits at the early game from a team that
didn't necessarily play that style the entire tournament so if they come up
across the team like Tundra who have been snowballing the lanes and ending
quickly as opposed to like ending around that 40 minute mark like
hero vision have been used to it's gonna be a lot cleaner execution
from Tundra with a lot less mistakes to exploit if your team spirit this
is where you're kind of hoping though the grand final nerves maybe
maybe getting to Tundra, maybe they make a little bit of a mistake now.
Did they have any?
Honestly, I think the narrative team spirit has not been in the Grand Finals.
For me it's more Tundra has won a lot of Grand Finals, but you're playing against the final
boss of Grand Finals.
This is arguably the greatest Dota team that has ever existed, we're talking about.
They have won all the major tournaments in the last 10 years, so this could be
the hardest Grand Finals Tundra has ever fought so far.
10 years?
I think so.
Yeah, well like who else? OG, maybe?
Like who else is...
Oh, he went in the total of the three years of their best.
Top of all time.
And this is very close to that.
We're just missing there.
That's it.
I do think that while that's very true,
Team Spirit have shown that during like the lower stakes
finals in the sense that it's not like the EWC-Riyadh finals,
they don't necessarily bring that same magic
that they're used to bringing.
But Yatoro did say in an interview
that they wanna do that all of the time.
He said they don't wanna just do this for TI
or for Riyadh, they want to do this throughout the year consistently.
They want to be able to play in the same exact way.
Well, they also made a swap-up this year where him and...
where a collapsed and broad Radon took the beginning of the year off.
I actually think that might be the difference for them as they realize
these are long seasons.
We're able to peak at the right time,
but rather than have it be where you're playing the whole time,
having mediocre results, let's just give ourselves some rest.
They ended up keeping Rue after Mira not coming back
and always have good results.
And now they just always have good results.
And I also like I think there's a lot of mind games going on here in the in the draft so far because I feel like when I see
Jikiro I immediately think of of Darkseer as like the combination that people have been running and if you look at the first
Seven bands of this tournament. I think we have an idea of what the meta is
These are all really tanky mostly strength heroes that a lot of times you either can't initiate onto or you don't want to
Or they make it easier to initiate on to you like the Magnus and the and the Night Stalker
So a lot of vision game. I feel like is is the name of the game
I'm wondering if Darkseer is going to come out for Tundra right now or if they're gonna elect...
Yeah.
I think they have to get Huskar, right, so...
It's gotta be... they've gotta take it.
I mean, I feel like the reason J'Kuro comes out, another reason is that the combos with Darkseer have not looked that good other than J'Kuro.
Like, we've seen a little bit of disruptor, but it's kind of like when there is the Darkseer, we find that there is a, like, lacking in the teamfights if there's not a J'Kuro.
It just seems like the best option right now.
It does seem like that as well, but it's also just having a hero that buys an aura that can fight around like minute 15 to 20 when you're looking to start five men.
Like, Drakira with his pipe is very valuable, and they've been at the Dazzle. I was gonna say, Brian, when you mentioned Husqvar, that's their Ember counter. It's Dazzle.
They don't actually play Husqvar, so I don't think they're going to pick it here on Team Spirit.
Yeah, that might be a weakness in Team Spirit's draft and why Tundra elevated Ember to this, because I feel like Ember got it completely ignored in the second game of the last series in the draft.
But yeah, Laurel is much more of a Dazzle specialist than a Husker, so that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, 100% agree with that one, and Ember has looked unstoppable, especially later phases of the game.
If you can't shut this hero down in the early game, which there's a handful of heroes that can do it, of course.
However, some of them just haven't looked really good, like Laurel's been busting up the shaker lately, but it feels like he's been having a rough one every time.
He's been winning with it, but it's been a little sketchy.
What about if you have Darkseer as well, because I feel like the Darkseer shaker is another thing that has also looked good, like the echoes of the vacuum.
So I could see that, it's just, the question is what order do you want to draft it in.
Well, they got two picks, they can just pick both of them, but this has me very worried, because Tundra has a very smart team, surely they predict this.
Surely this is something you can, you know, run it back.
It's not an unplayable matchup, that's the thing, and especially I think what a lot of teams are doing right now with this Ember Spirit is,
It's not the old Ember where he's just roaming around the map for the first six minutes, having a bad lane.
You just bring your supports mid and you gank for this Ember, and if this shaker dies one time, this Ember is just back in the game.
And he's doing all the things you want him to do in the game too.
So that is definitely one strength of this hero. I think his itemization is another one.
Mage Slayer is incredibly good, Orbic Corrosion is super good, and these are best tier items on Ember.
I'm glad that you brought that up because basically the last few days there's been kind of a shift in the meta
in that supports are looking to go mid as their first big move.
And Team Spirit yesterday drafted something like Jokiro and Spiritbreaker,
and they just camped the enemy mid laner, not giving him a game.
So if you are still looking at that Dark Spirit, Spiritbreaker is a hero you can go for, for that reason.
Weaver gets picked up here for Team Spirit.
It has to be a support, I think.
Yeah, almost certainly a support, the new Hive Mindfast, not the new Fasted,
but the fact that Bugs got buffed to take more hits to die,
You know that you're getting more XP from it and people are going like 4 to 0 even sometimes and
The fact that you're injecting yourself with XP and then using that XP to get the blogs is kind of like an interesting shot
Obviously the heroes win rate isn't isn't that great being three and six, but I guess like
When mirror mirror sorry shever you mentioned that
They must have seen this coming on the side of tundra. What I love about the Muerta is that she's a great combo breaker
She also doesn't play into teamfights like she's always gonna be on the outskirts with the ag's
Ag's Glide near build, so against the likes of Earthshaker, which they probably expected
to be the counter since they banned out the Dazzle, yeah, he's going to blink into a silence,
Ag's into a silence, so you have a hero that's never going to get caught in that Echo Slam.
You can be the player that, or the hero that comes mid after the Ember change, you have
set up for your dead shot, so I think both teams are getting exactly what they want
here.
Also, Weaver doesn't necessarily have to be support, like Spirit did run it on
the Toro once before depending on the matchup.
It's definitely open, it's really just gonna depend on what Tunch responds to this weaver with
But I will say like this weaver feels a little bit like a block pick from Soxa
Cause he likes to play it
Cause when I see Ember Morta, it doesn't scream, it's a free weaver game
There's already lots of controls, silences between those two heroes alone
And then they're gonna make weavers life even harder
Going further on
Oh, I'm surprised they didn't mod, they got such nasty setup for their arrow
I mean, classic counter to weaver here
The track? Quite annoying to play against as a weaver.
I mean, you could surely steal Darkseer, right?
You want a pipe builder against the Sand King, Ember, like tons of magic damage.
Darkseer plus weaver seems like a very strong lane.
I'm just, I'm curious why both teams are ignoring this hero entirely today.
It's like there's some mind games going on.
I don't necessarily think it's ignored. I think for your spirit, it's usually something they close out on 18 for a collapse.
We'll just secure him the best offender he sees in a situation so you're right and that we could see it right now
Well, I like this bounty pick a lot not just for the weaver counter, but if you look at
Thunder's heroes, they have oh, yes, that's really cool. That's another purple guy
I just want to say they have a lot of catch and a lot of reach all they needed was the vision something like a
Night Soccer bounty serves that same role or all of a sudden you can catch this like change
You can catch with the blanks and I'm wondering if this is going to be an off-lane or a carry boy 100% off-lane
100% offlane. 100%.
It's pretty nice when I know it. Okay, 95%.
With left acid.
With the time zone? Time square.
Really? Yeah.
You without lane, you have one of that.
Claps has been pubbing most.
That's interesting.
I mean, I think Facesword carry is just way too slow
for a meta like this, and way too squishy.
But if you play him in the offlane and claps rushes halberd,
he all of a sudden becomes a tank hero.
What's the skill build? Is it like 4-1's is 1, or is it 4-4-1?
4-4-1. Yeah, like, which one does he max first?
You know? Probably his Q, I can't remember.
I mean, I don't know it might be game dependent right if it's a really good game for time dilation
Maybe he goes left first
But I think the idea is you show up to the fight with your time walk with your halberd with your level four time dilation
And your time square and they can like I mean shaker
He loves the time. He could love it. Yeah, you get four times cooldown reduction
So weaver will have like permanent sikuchi. Maybe you'll have multiple enchant totems and I just have to be good
I don't know if Kira is going in there, but maybe.
It's the low cooldown heroes that I really like to play with face-to-face with offline,
but I think there's not that much value out of the early Halberd so far versus Tundra's heroes.
So it's not strong enough of like an early item.
Usually the offlaner's first item is like the timing that the team plays around,
and if it's a Halberd, in this case, Sankin doesn't care.
Morris isn't really cared that much. She's there for the calling and deadshot.
shot, Ember's is going to be throwing slight chains from a distance.
Bit of a damage issue on Radeon, I think. Like, at least for the early game.
Weaver is more of an enabler with the bugs.
I feel like that's always held in spirit plays, so usually 90% of their damages were gone every game.
They still buy out of the dark sphere, just in case.
To be honest, the regular Faceless Void facet, it's got a good win rate.
It's good. Yeah, it's good like it's got lower lower mana costs every time they do this to this hero the win rate goes up
Or bro corrosion is great on void. It is. Yeah, so he loves building this
I'm interested to see the time square though to be honest
I think that's more interesting and it sounds like a really good build. I just personally haven't seen it
It's pretty good this game right you're paying for stanking ember fully serious. Yeah, it's a free lane
It would be weird to take
Chronosphere this game, because first off it kills Weaver bugs instantly, even if it's on your team.
And second off, Urshaker would much prefer you to have Chronosquare. They only have J'Kuro really to follow up to the Chronosphere.
So unless they pick significant follow up here, I would bet it's almost certainly the square.
I mean, I think the Chronosquare is way better when you have AoE stun. I'm just saying it's always a flexible possibility,
but they don't get to see the whole draft, so they have to pick right now.
Why are we playing time zone Chronosquare?
Because it's awesome.
We got a profit coming out last.
I don't say that's almost certainly off lane right then, or I don't know.
Leaving it open for sure.
It's so fun. I think they wanted to carry back as flex to either support or off lane,
just so that they could keep the draft as ambiguous as possible for as long as they could.
But if this were flexed for anything, I do prefer this being the carry.
We've seen carry and nature's profit do a lot in terms of map play,
in terms of keeping up with gold and being able to connect on early fights without sacrificing his own farm.
Is Doracio a Naga player?
I feel like this is like an insanely good like play the map illusion carry kind of game
I'm thinking he's not gonna play not in a way. What are you thinking? He's got a game. Maybe I was thinking. Yeah, I was thinking ck
They could go for something boring like a gyro, but I'm boring I
Want to see okay. There's the Sven. All right, so
Ancient clear it's a hero that can burst the faceless void
You can burst the natures profit. I think the 1v1 is pretty good for
the span if you can get on natures it can work both ways though where you get
stuck in the sprout and you buy a lot of these.
He's showing us this many. Yeah yeah but I guess that you're gonna go for the
the harpoon which will get you out of the sprout. He's got time zone at the
moment. Can I share a stat with you guys? Yes. Not really a stat but something
that I've noticed is that every time I've seen Sven picked on Dire he's lost.
All of his wins come from this picked on Radiance fight and I think
something to do with the map asymmetry and defending the safe lane
Powered just gives him way more value than when he's played on Diarr
So favoring Spirit slightly here in game one?
I think so
I need to see the drafts again
I mean I will say this is an amazing time dilation game if I've ever seen one
What do you think Brian?
I'm leaning towards Team Spirit this game
I think the only concern I've had going into this series is Laurel
And I think he's been getting picked on the last few days
last few days even against Camaria today they looked a little sus with some
death in the mid lane on shaker so if BZM pops off maybe but otherwise I'm
leaning towards team spirit.
Thank you.
Do I have to pick two?
Yeah you do.
I'm going to go with tundra though.
So I just play too fast, Thawks is going to get off the ground, BZM, Thawks they're just going to control the map.
What are we thinking, SPG, cap?
During the other conversation we got a little bit of a split panel.
Maybe it's slightly more spear favorite here though.
I 100% agree with fear.
I think they play too fast. We've seen spirit go down to these games early on and they're matched up against a bounty hunter
They go down against a bounty hunter. There's gonna be too much gold and that's what tundra specialty is gold
There's a lot of truth in that
But I'm not super optimistic for spirit game one
But I will always take them in a grand finals here, but have you considered the time zone?
The time zone think about the time zone think about it
He's not about it.
We're gonna have to wait to see how it plays out here in game number one for team spirit
and it's time to have that way.
Ladies and gentlemen our grand finals, Tundra vs. Barrett.
Tundra has had to face but I would have flipped that on its head because I think that this
is the finals that spirit is going into that they are the most underdog that they have
been since the TI 10 grand finals against LGD.
That is a very bold claim, Austin.
Do you disagree with it?
Not really, no.
I tend to agree.
I think almost everybody, if you had to pick a favorite in this series, it's going to be Thunder right now.
They've won the previous two lands.
They are the kind of default-o team, best team in the world.
Spirit don't hold those kind of titles.
They are not necessarily as intimidating, but I will say in a B05, this team can adapt really fast
and change their playstyle drastically,
which is what has made them such a strong grand final
team over the history of the year.
Well, it's going to be an early start,
where their key player of Radon gets picked off in Doratio.
Instead, we'll get an early first blood.
So things already starting off on the back foot
for Team Spirit and Tundra, right where they want to be,
ahead in gold and experience.
And again, they have that bounty hunter.
So what separates these two teams?
Why are we giving an edge to Tundra
going into this series, even though that might change.
To me, it is the pace.
I think Fundra can set an extremely fast pace,
and they can adjust that pace over the course of a series.
They can ramp it up, they can slow it down,
whatever feels more comfortable for them.
And that is the big question mark,
is can Team Spirit adapt to that?
Can they get to the mid the late games
on even footing where we know they can jump?
Like, Spirit can beat any team in the world
on any day in those late game teams.
They have two of the most clutch late game spellcasters
all time in their sidelines. If you get there and you're not 30,000 gold behind, you have a shot.
Maybe even if you're 30,000 gold, you have a shot. But will Tundra let you get there? That's the big
question. I think Tundra is definitely capable of just not letting them get there at all. And you
look at this lineup in the first game, pretty fast-paced lineup, right? Ember, Bounty right
up the bat, the 33 Sand King. This is a hero we've seen him even yesterday. Just
this. Decimated parry vision with zero. So you really have to try and control the tempo
here if your spirit not falls too far behind. You don't have to win early games, I think
you just have to get through it. I mean this in the best way possible, but for me this
is a matchup of perhaps the clutchest team in Dota's history versus the team that
has the most nerd shit going on. I mean you start off, you get the early first
blood gank, and then what do they do immediately afterwards? 33 in Soxa, body block the
enemy waves so it ends up under tower the wave pushes in 33 is in a much better
position to be able to start his lane he's cruising right he's up against a
double range hero matchup fury on jikiro should not be an easy lane by any
means but you know he's doing all right for himself nice half pull at least from
a post to stop all this this is anytime you get these half pulls up on the
creepway pulls they're super valuable because then these these all players
have to make a decision do you go here get the XP there do you try and
hold the wave in your tower it gets a little awkward as we see bug plus time
dilation up top not a fun combo to deal with and this is an offline faceless
void now I was I was getting excited there in the draft so I'm not gonna lie
okay I was thinking a Toro faceless void my god we're in for a treat I think
even a bigger treat the collapse faceless void I don't even I don't
think I've ever even seen it before we haven't seen a faceless void at this
dream link so this will be a first time for all of us I guess in this
new patch should not underestimate Offlane Void. It's kind of been on the back burner
in a lot of these patches, but if it's a good game for time dilation, I think it's always
viable. And you have this new, you know, time zone that is just buffed in the patch in terms
of the cooldown acceleration slash freeze, which in theory is super powerful. We have
not really seen a spell of this caliber in Dota in terms of what it's doing manipulation
wise. I think people are just not prepared for it. And if you can take advantage of
in the fights with low cooldown stuns, low cooldown disables, using ult to gain a little
extra value while they're running.
I mean, it can do some crazy things.
Yeah, I am very curious.
I feel like that is the change that people are probably theory-crafting the most.
What do you do with this cooldown acceleration, right?
A...
Minus.
Minus is the one thing I don't respond to.
I know that's your theory.
I heard somebody talk about Bristleback, right?
What have you put Bristleback in that here?
Spamming up the closest as quick as possible in this case. They do have some lower cooldown abilities one of them
I think might be really powerful
What if the Laurel is just enchantotum hit enchantotum hit enchantotum hit the entire time?
I was thinking you could easily get three or four off inside this thing. You get chroma chain stun somebody
It's very close. I think if you get knocked arena. I believe it's guaranteed sure
Karma sprout
Also, it's really obnoxious. Yeah, what if you doubles you double sprout someone? I don't know it gets really wacky
are going for clap top, but
My moves it off. I
Will say I do like the spent pick as well
I think this is a really nice hero for draw show in terms of the fit
It's also pretty strong hero burst the faceless boy because room
Where is this dead?
Yeah, he's got you Gucci just barely gets it off in time
He's gonna run up to try and help out collapse with a white mon. Oh, we're not coming in
Yeah, he wants to kill and he will have it. Sorry collapse. That's not yours to have
Yeah, I'm the true carry don't forget that. Yeah
Even though you got this carry here, oh and we all saw what collapsed in the last game, oh yeah, we all saw what he did yesterday as well.
Rue still trying to get away from Durantio, he's still barely able to get out.
And now Durantio, Rodan sticking around for a little bit.
He has not immediately teleported back to bottom lane, he does so now, but gets a bit extra damage on Durantio.
I'm surprised he used a TP scroll there instead of the gate, but maybe just trying to save a little bit of time, resources.
As we will suicide the neutrals.
Got an even lane phase across the board.
So once more trying all of this board, but Deadshot gonna be avoided.
Collapse walks into the calling rather than out of it.
And as a result, dodges that skillshot.
Alright, if you're too scared here, you kinda have to pick your poison.
Where do you try and punish in this early game?
Ideally you wanna get this mid-kill.
Time walk up in a second, but Deadshot comes off first.
first and Durantio taking full advantage of that.
I kind of expect to see a Fury on TP mid
if you have the level six advantage,
which Laurel is getting here.
Sure.
Shaker should get it in this matchup,
and he is getting it here.
Do you have a pretty decent window
with Second Slam coming up?
You just TP the Fury on and go on the Ember Spirit.
Maybe you bring a support.
You're catapult alive.
You're gonna commit a TP on the 33.
Do you have dust for him?
He's got level one burrow strike.
Doesn't really seem too much of an out here.
I mean, Vanguard makes it very difficult to finish mobs.
It's gonna try and make its way to the cliff to burrow strike away,
but it's stopped by the ice path in the nick of time.
That's a super valuable kill.
Every time you use this fear in Talbot,
you wanna get something big off the map.
That's how you're gonna control the early game here,
and particularly shut down Sausage.
Do not wanna let this bounty hunter control the skirmishing rate,
get early levels, have an early track.
This lineup is just gonna come alive
if that happens for Tundra.
Yep.
We're not gonna see Heaven Talbot
for both offlaners here.
Would I be remiss to say that the last time Vanguard was powerful was the last time that we saw Faceless Void Offlane being tried?
I feel like it's one of those who you always say that items determine what heroes are in the meta.
I do say that.
I feel like Vanguard is one of the most beneficial items for Offlane Void.
It's one of the items that actually makes this hero work.
It's an early tank item that lets you go in, maybe you get an extra time walk off because he survives some extra hits.
Yep.
I agree. It's nice.
This is an offlaner where you can itemize a lot of different ways. You can build them as a carry all
Universe in the old days you can build them
Or us we we see pipe faces void from the offline crimson faces void. Blads is really good on this hero
As short it's a nice way to kind of just play the fight to amp up your damage hand buff the team
Give you some Roshan. I wouldn't mind the Blads here at some point on the faces for it either
So collapse is billed for the pub city's been playing has been heavens Halperd Manta
Agatom scepter blood bone and he's gone that route
I think every single time and I think in that order every single time
Do you think that sounds like a good one for this game?
Sounds fine to me if you're leaping in with this ag's at some point just stunning people particularly this pen
Incredibly disruptive gives you a lot more team fight presence. Well, you combine that with the shaker
You might just not get spells off on the side of tundra and the whole time we've been talking this early game
Has not been too explosive from tundra yet
They really want to start getting some kills for this bounty hunter trying to get something out of it now with the epicenter
Catching redawn I feel like you you kind of knew this was gonna be happening. Yeah look for the trade-offs somewhere else
They'll be fucked white on yep
They'll be run down pretty easily so setting up Laurel for success something that our analysts talked a bit about they wanted to
I see Larl enabled a bit more and it does seem like, you know, he had the match up, Urshaka versus Ember, but now the
Rotations coming through as well. It does seem like they're trying to level up his game a bit. Got to think about where the sphere
And goes when he respawns here. Do not want to keep getting caught off guard by Radon on these TPs
Now he's just gonna go jungle. Oh, he pulled bottom wave with a tree. Oh, yeah, that's smart. Super fancy by Radon as
Silence successfully gets him with the stun as well. Deadshot back into the silence, collapsed! Oh, Silence again
He's just done I think you just is clicked or something you know window to get that leap off
It did look like ended up moving a little bit instead and super awkward around that tree line
More mad at himself than anything
And this is gonna be the spin interaction a lot of the game can you burst the boy down before he time walks
Can you burst the furium before he hurricane planks or sprouts you?
There's a lot of burst damage in this tundra line up between the stanking and the spin
Gotta remember the extra damage going into these stuns.
They have some big ones to throw out there.
You can get on top of these team spirit cores at the start of fights, you're gonna be really
happier on the side of the dungeon.
Assuming you don't clump for some crazy, you know, time zone shaker action.
We'll see if we ever get to see clutch time zone.
Yeah, Yutaro just continues to do this, continues to pull waves from bottom and
pull them deeper into the jungle area where he's already farming.
Yes, this is really interesting because it is denying some interaction 33 and one-half as he has to pull
He has to go and connect to his own wave and he's pulling the neutrals as well
So if you're you're flash farming on two cores here
I favor the stanking though. I think stanking is a lot happier in this situation because the fury on the stronger laner
So I'll be the laning bugs collapse
I think, uh, I was thinking about teleporting up here, gone off the wrath of nature, but
he can't TP right now, Soxa's stalking him in the jungle.
There are some stacks as well.
I mean, Soxa would love to get another kill on Yutora just for the fact that he needs
more experience.
It's a...
This one, Hammer, that's a full maelstrom.
I think he can catch- OH NO!
33!
He got stunned up!
He got hit by the Crokers, man.
They wanted to make a move there.
He was on his way to do so.
The path that opened for him.
He's seen a few player struggles with these new ancients.
Laurel mid-lane, gotta be doing slight chains.
Dustmange, you get off the fissure.
He's got the Echo Slam.
He's got a Lotus as well.
Dustmange, you get off the Echo.
Rue's gonna come in with the bugs,
but the bro strike will secure the kill.
Can they get any turn route here?
With the F, there it is.
Got the time zone on at least 33, Soxa walked out of it,
time dilation is taken about, slowly does manage
to get the kill on the Weaver before he goes down on 33.
Soxa survived with just 5 HP, meanwhile, we're done.
It's a big trouble, just doing as much damage as he can
to BZM, but ultimately Tundra walking away
very happy with that fight.
That stanking is just so tanky with the early Halberd.
That's a difference maker here.
You have all played level six faceless void
with Orber Corrosion, going up into fight
against level 9 slash 10 Sand King with Halberd phase boots.
Just no way you have the damage to take this fight, especially without Wraith of Nature here.
If you have Wraith of Nature, this could look very different.
But instead, it just takes you so much to bring 33 down that BCM's just able to clean up this fight.
He's the highest damage in this fight by R2000 from December, who doesn't even have an item yet.
Slide change, just too good for them.
And this is where this game can start this fire roll really fast for Spirit.
They start losing these fights, throwing out the big ultimates, timezone on cooldown.
Echo slam on cooldown.
Yep.
You just got Blink Shaker, you didn't get that Echo slam out of it with the reveal.
Now you're on the backflip.
But EZM, you can just keep playing in your face, they get the easy kill on Larl.
They really don't even have to command you.
Remnants or anything, at best.
They would run after Soxa, but they didn't have any detection for him, so he gets away.
Giving up track kills while Sven Solo takes your tower.
And you're waiting for cooldowns here. This is the pace that Spirit had to be ready for in the series and right now
It's looking rough because they're cool down dependent
Like Dorachio just taking the farm away from them this little hard cam stack. This is greedy though
They're gonna try and punish him and they should be able to do so. Oh Dorachio
Trying to take too much off the map from Spirit
Well, that's a little bit of a Dorachio death. You'll get it out of the way early game one
There's his one for the day. That's what you tell yourself.
Knowing that there's three more coming down the pipe, but you know,
that is the nature of him as a player. The center. Just deep on slamming that ground.
Spots couple heroes. Odd about going for the bruise strike there. That would have hit too,
but the stat just cuts the wave. They're very close to Ember Mage Slayering,
And I would skew this fight very far into their favor, reduce a lot of the shaker damage.
And he's the big damage dealer for Spear right now, so you can take him out of the fight with an H-Layer hit.
And be very happy.
And again, do Spear want to...
Like, who do they want to jump here? They just want to find some squishy target.
All they see is 33.
An Ember that is also very tanky.
Tundra just keep on pressuring Spirit into trying to make a move.
The other thing is with this lineup with the carry Furion.
I don't think you're too sad about these standoffs if you're spirited through your holding towers.
It's the Furion's pressuring the map, but right now, we're at on, he's just in the jungle doing ancients.
You're not taking this top tier one, you're not pushing the lanes in aggressively against Tundra.
Tundra getting away with a lot right now.
They need to punish this bounty hunter, they might be able to do so.
Strike comes in trying to interrupt things, but it just sets up the Echo Slam, sending
Sox's body flying and now 33 is low, and he doesn't have the same support as he did last
time.
Another hit of Duchenne Totem gives Laurel the Double.
Spirit's patience.
They bait, tundra in, overextension from the Sankin, didn't even have to use the time
zone.
I think we're going to see Collapse try and be as disciplined about using this spell
as possible because it is still a long cooldown spell.
And the second you throw it out, you're giving a lot of freedom to tundra on the
map 33 not happy with the decision-making there over extending in the spirit
lineup is very terrifying yeah there's a lot of counter initiation there's a lot
of aoe control you're gonna get time dilated swarmed stunned by shaker stuck
in macro pyre ice path wrath of nature is gonna come through it's just gonna
hit everybody you're not gonna have cool downs you're not gonna be able to
move you're not gonna have a tax beam you're not gonna have armor but do you
got. You drive into her apparently. A big sword. He can swing it. Garachi is a simple man and he
will help get Soxa. That's the friendly shadow which is going to be a very interesting ability for
heroes like 33. Yeah it's nice for the stanking, it's also nice for the spend. Invis this guy up
before a fight, he can bypass ward vision, just blink in, pick his target. Hey hit somebody,
they're stunned, he's doing 20 bonus damage just right out the gate. Dust available, Soxa,
Dines again!
Toro collects his due.
Very easy kills.
Love those of your clops right now, that's how you're going to get back on this game.
Still looking for that Halbert of his own.
A little far behind 33, but you expect that.
Sanking is doing sanking things.
33 seems fed up with this mid tower staying up, he just runs at it, brute forces it
down and amp damage in the river.
That is a great pick up.
Yeah, this is this is not a fight you want to get stuck in if your spirit unless tundra over clump
You have glimmer cape on the stanking you have mage layer on the ember this shaker is
Having a lot of his damage reduced he gets stuck by the chains rule. Oh barely gets off his holds
Shikuchi not up. He's gonna try and deal with the sensory, but he's just dead better him than collapse in this situation
Oh for sure
The outside of all these kills are they are track kills?
Yeah, so even if tundra over commit and bring three or four to a fight if they get a track go out of it
You get some competition there.
And again, Radon is just not confident to shove other sides of the map deep.
Playing it very safe doesn't want to feed away his life.
Can understand why the pick off from Tundra is kind of insane in this lineup.
You have bounty hunter who can scout and set up.
You have a lot of stuns.
You have dead shot that can reach you from super far away.
You have Ember, of course, that can easily just play the map.
Till you have BKB you're not gonna be confident getting these lanes in super deep. So kind of a defense
Defensive posture from spirit right now not something they're gonna walk into another Ward's entry combination
Other than easy pick off the bounty hunter kind of gives as much as it takes. I mean
Yeah, it gives you all this track kill gold
But we are seeing spirits the way that they play which is so defensively
Yeah, they're very good at it. They're very good at setting up traps for bounty hunter
They don't mind being behind as long as they can keep fighting over.
They have a 5-8 more map here.
Oh, spotted! They go for Doratio!
That's gonna be a harder hero to kill for sure, as he's got a BKB,
and it's not a problem.
Deadshot immediately on.
Radon as he teleports in.
They do manage to hit him here with the time stone.
It looks like they're just gonna overwhelm this thing.
Couldn't stand up.
Toe to toe against all that.
Radon stayed there by the ice path.
33 trying to get up the empa center.
Hasn't gone off just yet.
Yotaro does end up dying, but so far, 1 for 2.
Ruinous way out, Kallax has got a time walk to jump away.
Maybe he's... Oh, the slightence of hitting the neutrals.
He hits the chains on the two hill trolls.
I don't think they would have gotten in there anyway.
Yeah, I guess he's...
Not the spend damage.
He does have the Heavens, Albert, so what was he going to do? Walk up and just be disarmed.
I mean, it's not a bad fight for Spirit, but every time that Furion goes down, it hurts a lot.
This is the hero you need to continue scaling in this game.
It's going to give you the big damage later.
Yeah they got 1200 gold change off that to their favor. Good for everybody else
but Yatoro I guess. Yatoro just got stuck in a really weird spot on that river.
And Whitemon annoying with the calling dead shots here.
Heaven's Albert, used onto this Venn, slowed down some of the damage. Icepack trying to come in.
Doesn't actually land right away, but Doratio! Doratio is BKB and still on cooldown!
He's just done for! There are too many stuns, too many slows for him to be able to
deal with it now. Team Spirit picking up the pace out and up ring Tundra using their global.
It's a 3 versus 5 now. Tundra coming into it a little bit late. Looking 33. He's looking
for the epicenter. He's going to have to burrow Shrike. Go straight for the air shaker.
Mike being able to get that one kill. He's very low macro pyro on out. Laurel does take
out, but so does 33. A 1 for 4 with the fifth one on the run as collapse. Relentless
in the chase. Hopes to get a little lucky. Bastionario, but will not find it. I
You're on TP'ing too. He can spot BZM. BZM still has Lotus, Remnant. He should be fine.
I mean, you have time dilation though. This spell really screws with some of the mobility out of Tundra.
There's no dispells on the field yet. I am surprised Tundra committed for that fight
after the turn. And yeah, he eventually caught up to him here and he can't jump to his Remnant.
Now he's he's just leased for so long and it finally wears out. But as he said,
Time dilation. So by the time he actually gets loose, he can't throw out another remnant. He's time dilated
He's just out of remnants now, too. Yeah worth to him. That was a streak. That was a dominated streak
Thousand gold kill basically Rodan clicks the streak
Essence ring online for this fury on his top network
That was a massive gold swing in the last two minutes here six or seven K
That's beer just find the full team life
I can't believe thunder committed for that play top after the spend is the first target to go down
and they didn't use big ultimating.
Just did not look favorable.
You have to play around your damage here if you're Tundra.
You have the two big sources in the Sankeen and the Sven.
Those are your two heroes that are going to bring these tanky cores down.
Let you burst targets.
You lose half of that right off the bat.
You're not in a good spot as...
This timezone's going to be coming up again pretty quick.
Tundra, need to try and always get these lanes
so you can look for plays.
You do not want to let Fury on control the map.
This Weaver is also being pretty annoying.
annoying in terms of the illusivity sure we'll call it a word got him on the
ratavitos into the silence changed up 33 hits the burrow as well but all the
dead shot just perfect timing there from white mod yeah as blinks thinking is
gonna pick up the pace now this is an item you can play really fast with
around the map and they will have even more pace coming out of the spin as he
completes his blink dagger so go go go time for tundra this is where they
They LOOK to build up that gigantic net worth advantage just running over spirit with track
kills, but did they give spirit too much?
Yeah, that's the question, because they're getting the BKBs now and the teamfight is
not going to be easy once these core BKBs come out where Don is.
He's a beast right now.
Yeah.
He's 720 GPM, well ahead of the spend.
Just cleaning through this map.
He is going to have BKB.
The shakers is already done.
You're going to have a manta on the faces void soon.
These cores are getting a lot of EHP in the next minute.
And what kind of damage are you looking like on the outside of Tundra?
It's just BKB Blink's vent, Doracio has to connect here, he has to connect big time.
We're done.
He teleports bottom, using Ylnir, instantly TP's out.
He's just pushing out that wave without showing anything, giving nothing for Tundra
to hunt.
Now Spirit scan the pit.
They think there's a decent chance Tundra are rushing because they have triple observers
on the top half of the map.
see nothing? Sure. Pretty strong likelihood that Spirit No Tundra are in this jungle right now,
they don't know if they're committing for the Roche. And again, they're trying to finish the Fury on
BKB. It's flying out right now. Fully expect Spirit to make a smoke play here on the chance that
Tundra are manning up for this. Oh, they would be underneath a ward right now. Is the smoke,
it's gonna wear out. They get the ward on the high ground. Whitemon starts making a run for it.
Spirit already pushing out though. They spotted 33 early. Instant ankle slaps.
He can keep the chain stun here with the ice path. Should be fairly easy.
The silence though goes up. This rub stage a little bit and now collapsed.
He's got position to get a time zone on too. But Dorachu hits the back line.
He goes straight for Mapozhka. Trying to deal with this next hit.
Heroic got bashed up, but he managed to get the cleave on through off of collapse.
Killed the other support as well, but now he's caught it inside and the crowd can't get out.
And Jed!
Too many times that he is sprouted and stunned by fishers and enchant totems.
It's too much for the Sven as soon as the DKB is down.
This Mjolnir is just shredding.
Redonda's so much damage if he's allowed to just hit their right click on contestant.
Didn't even pop the DKB for that.
He dealt 2,000 damage to that Sven.
The early magic damage procs coming out of him are just slicing through the armor.
You're not gonna have it up for the full fight anyway.
We saw how much the Sven got kited there.
That's the value of the Vazes Woodbashing scheme.
You didn't get to that axe too.
It only takes one or two to ruin the Sven's day.
And this was a fight where the time zone really didn't do that much, to be honest.
It could have had a much larger impact.
Just being able to start on 33, again, two big damage sources in this Tundra lineup,
take out the Sand King first, that's half the puzzle.
The Sven gets kited later, the fight's done.
Tundra need to start these fights on their terms.
Take advantage of the track.
Now the smoke is going to break immediately.
Soxa.
I mean at least you got a smoke.
33 will chill out a little bit and then push out bottom.
Thunder just don't have any momentum in this game.
They still have very slight gold lead but...
nothing in the last 10 minutes has really gone their way.
And there's no contest on this Roshan which...
has got to feel bad for 33.
I mean he is playing...
a kind of utility blink.
Frontline Sankin, that doesn't get to take a fight around the Roach pick.
Not happy about that one, and not happy about seeing an Aegis of the Spirit end,
because now Rodan can just stand his ground against the Sven Burst, against the Sankin epicenter.
He'll just fit their BKB and hit him back, and he's doing a higher amount of TPS right now.
Yeah, it feels like they are just not gonna be able to burst down many heroes,
double BKB, the Manta on collapse. Combined with the Heavens,
He's got 2000 HP, but his effective HP is so high, unless it's just all magic damage burst.
I almost wondered if this Mirion is something Spirit had in mind to bust out against Tundra if they played them again.
Purely for the map control. Just get a hero that can shove the waves in to slow down the pace.
Traditionally that is one of the best ways you can play against fast teams.
Sometimes it doesn't work because you get run over, but if it does work heroes like Naga, Burion, Darkseer, Underlord
They can really slow the game down because you get clogged in these mid games where
You're on lane duty all the time. Your ember has to go back. Your same thing has to go back
The lane's hitting your tier 2. If you make a move, you're losing gold to make that move
So the move's not even that good even if it connects. All these things add up. I would not be surprised if Spirit
Played more of these kind of heroes either onward to honor collapse just
Really ruined tundra's first 20 minutes and control the pace which is why the 10 to 15 minute window is like so important
Right where teams here are playing super defensive if tundra if they're going to break them and just run them over
It's gonna be in that window right but if they could probe push through then the nature's profit starts becoming more and more of a menace
Sox, I mean there is rotation coming from
Um, a dead shot?
Oh.
I mean, they're not going on a third attempt, a third stun.
Alright, round four.
This sucks to say.
I'm sticking around.
Dude, stop it, man.
Alright, round five.
I got a dead shot.
You're tracked, my brother.
Alright, round six.
Brother!
Surely it'll work this time.
It's not gonna stop.
Just go in the base, man.
Just stop.
They've wasted, like, 30 seconds of his ages.
I at the same time he's wasting two supports. They're pushing mid. I mean, I guess so who's actually wasting whose time
You're getting pulled out of them. I
Can't let me try that six times in a row. He's so stubborn dude. He's so stubborn actually
Do you see my name on that ages I
Dare you study one more time see what happens one more goddamn time
I'm about to play that face this way next to you. You still need one more time.
Spotted 33, has to prove strike away.
Still have Aegis for two minutes here.
As the Furon hits level 20, so sprout leash.
Yeah.
That all y'all lied.
So deadly for the same king in the Ember.
That BZM is in trouble.
He went Nanta, does not have a BKB.
Very high chance you could just get completely debilitated in the fights.
Spotted him on the dust.
Barely gone sight.
Oh, maybe they didn't see a nighttime vision making it a little awkward just
Barely outside of Laurel's vision, I guess
This value is better knowing looking for the wisdom. He knows he's here now, but the dust is on cool
so
Okay, the stubbornness of team spirit wins again
I mean they're trying to set up plays on the sides of the map to split spirit up
They don't want to fight in this pages
They'll take the shot!
But at the same time, Dorachu's gonna make the jump up of your shaker, chained up, and Soxa making a run for it, but now, after Dorachu's uses BKB,
I'm just praying that a bash doesn't land when he does it!
He got four hits in no bash, and once again, Soxa gets away with, like, I don't know, probably less than 50 HP.
Oh my.
Tundra.
I'm in the game of centimeters right here.
I do not know if they should have gone away with that like they did.
Still end up losing the Ember.
Who just gets sprouted and killed by Redolp.
They get a little easy.
Well, next time Drashi makes that play, it won't be possible.
No matter what kind of luck you have on collapse,
next fight he's going to have an agonist up to.
He has a bash on command.
There's just so much scale in the spirit line up.
Like you're up gold in the mid game with a offline face deploy.
It doesn't really get better.
Doracio in trouble.
No BKB is caught at the bottom lane, as he said, trying to split up Spirit across the map.
But how do you do that when the initiation is so overwhelming?
If Earthshaker wants to jump somebody, he's going to get them.
And then you've got an Ancient Prophet that can join at 80 times, right?
Like, even if Sox does manage to get away for a little bit there,
eventually that teleport was going to be coming in from Redawn.
Tundra need to find ways to get numbers.
And look at him, he just goes after Whitemon immediately.
Spotted him on a deep lane ward.
Whitemon does have a teleport, but that's killing your map.
More and more heroes are having to go back to base,
and you can see Spirit is beginning to corral Tundra
deeper and deeper onto their side of the map.
This is where the lead's going to start to build for them.
Every time I hear it goes back to base, it's going to shoot up a case.
The Firaan just collects everything here.
Even his face, his void, is starting to pick up the armory.
That aggs will do it as well.
You're getting power room control, tundra are... they're in deep trouble here.
Struggling to find advantageous fights and the big question is can you...
Can you be complacent trying to equal the scale in this game? I don't think you can.
You are gonna get pretty strong on the sanking.
Like eventually you do have a sheevahs already, you can get to things like the sanking aggs that design up. Yeah.
I just don't know if you can survive the fights.
And Fasus Void is a tough hero to play against in the late game, no matter what position he's on.
At some point, you're getting timed out, at some point you're getting bashed.
At some point, either Chrono Spirit or Time Zone's hitting you.
They're just tough spells to itemize against.
But what are you debating? Do you feel like Tundra just need to go all out,
five-man smoke run it, Spirit over and over again?
Because you don't think that the scale is comfortable going late?
They need to find Pick-Offs, basically.
Which encompasses two things. One, getting the lanes out against the Fjernl without dying.
That's been a struggle.
The other is finding isolated targets on the map.
They'll get one here.
The second you get these kind of pick-off...
At the gem, that is a valuable pick.
That is very valuable, and you need to transition it into more.
You can't get a pick-off, go back to your side of the map and farm.
You need to pick off into jumping somebody else.
I mean, they use God's strength for that,
so you know Tundra want to keep finding more, and they will find it in the room.
All right, this is the the kind of gameplay that's gonna get tundra back in this game and set them up to take that next-row shot
Which is
It's gonna be huge for them. I think they need it
That's gonna give you a lot more stain power cuz Rodani is just he's an absolute awesome
He's 8,000 ahead of this fed
which is
Disgusting yeah, that's a
To the least one full item up on him. He can still get killed by their out shield
That's the thing you can get burst it pretty fast if he gets burrow struck and storm hammered
There's a decent likelihood you can change something with a dead shot or something and just chunk him down in that interval
Yeah, I mean he does have nemesis curse on him for on redaunt
So they do get the jump on him, but he fantastic eggs done on the void though
So there's an interrupt flaps could just leap in try and cover them. Sure. You don't have BKB on the San King
33 debating hex now
some more
single target jump control
Yeah, for me it feels like the fight is over as soon as the BKB is gone for Tundra, specifically
for Dorachia.
There are just too many kiting mechanisms available for Spirit.
I think it's all about the jump.
Tundra have to be the ones initiating.
I don't like any fight where they get jumped is going to be good.
Do finish up Radiance on VZF.
Yeah, with Manta, that's an interesting idea that'll give you a bit more map control,
right?
This play helps control the waves, control the pressure, and it's pretty solid in the fight here, honestly.
The miss chance is not insignificant here, even on the weaver, for example.
Just nice to have it running.
Tundra looking for an early Roshan perhaps?
I mean, they need the next Roshan.
There's no way Tundra can afford giving this a spirit.
They're gonna try and fight them, take over the high ground spirit, entering on the other side.
Tundra, it's gonna break on White Maw instantly at Goode.
Laurel not messing about.
He'll take any kill he can get.
They go for glass, chains on him up.
Do manage to get him.
Derachio with the rest of his Gond strength.
BKB, he needs another kill,
and he's not gonna be able to fight it.
Meanwhile, Radon right in the middle of the standstorm
after 33 activates his BKB,
getting rid of the Heavens.
Halberd's not quite enough to be able
to get him playing complete.
He manages to get away while Radon,
he teleports out of the situation
and resets a little bit.
Laurel, he's gonna be very good.
Tysoxa, that sprout is just too good.
Derachio, again, the BKB is gone
and the kiting mechanisms begin to kick in from Spirit.
B-C-M right in the middle of all these heroes,
but he's going to be ice-padded.
They go up to Lolo too, and she gets that kill.
Boxman turns around, goes for the kill,
under Mumposhka as well, gets it, running,
but Orkin, he's not going to last.
In the end, a 3-for-5, Spirit clearly coming out the winners
as they head straight down mid.
The fact you're able to finish off 33 is just huge there.
I mean, this Ember was doing some work at the end of the fight,
but this Spirit is absolutely out of control.
There was no target priority going into him.
Tundra felt he was too big, too bad to ever take on, had that Satanic up his sleeve.
And the downside of letting Radon survive that entire fight, he's almost 25 already.
Already has the Mega Trion. Yeah, here they come.
And honestly, there's not much in this Tundra line of the deals with these Trions well.
This is just gonna take that map pressure up to a whole new level, and...
You lost the Roshan fight here.
Yeah, you can see Soxa's already queuing up the Dagon, but it's gonna be a while until he gets it.
Trying to get into the pit, this is really their only option.
With Roshan going over to the other side,
perhaps a possibility of a play to be made.
Yeah, what's the spirits play call here?
Follow the Roshan, look for the kills.
They're looking for the kills.
They don't want to give them the opportunity to steal.
The Roshan, they just go for the take-offs on the supports
while they have them wipe on.
Activating the pierce to the veil.
Doesn't have a TP to get out of the situation.
He has to stand and fight with the help of Staxa.
Might be able to get a kill off, but they do manage to kill the Weaver.
And as a result...
Very awkward.
Look at that tree it man!
He's swinging he's swinging
He's just too powerful the time dilation and the train are too much for him can't escape the plush. What is going on here?
Sandstorm she was delaying up, but Roshan it's a bit too strong for 33 second on his own and now he's stuck
That was an incredible man up from 33
He just got brought that the Roshan, but maybe they can find the takeoff from the man
Ooh, Ghost after Ghost off right before Dorachio hits them.
As a result, no kills possible.
Icepack, now they're going to be potentially sprouted up together.
Dorachio left inside the trees again and again.
He cannot burrow his way out.
They forced after Soxa.
He managed to get away.
Fishing, looking for more, but it's not really needed.
Spiritor up on five with an Aegis
can just march down the mid lane.
Well, maybe not actually.
Wave got cut.
There will always be Wave cutting
when you're playing as Tundra.
They can go through backdoor.
Yeah, I mean, they do have the damage for it.
They're just going for it.
These trillions, plus all of these heroes hitting the buildings.
Whitemon trying to disrupt them a little bit with the calling.
Needs to get the silents away so he can get the pierce to bail off.
It never goes off.
Taking fire back to the left.
Chains, ruins of trouble here.
She could constantly silenced up.
Now, Sox is going to die for it,
but they do manage to get one hero off the map for spirit.
That's a dieback on the Weaver.
Trying to finish up this pier for the backdoor protection
And it's proven to be a bit of a nuisance given that Heaven's Halpert will reach and back up for the building a bit.
This is slowing things down. They need 30 seconds for Dorachio. They do not want to have to use these buybacks,
but now the creeps are inside the base. Backdoor protection is gone.
They're gonna have to buyback this vent here.
They're just waiting for the initiation. I would guess. BZM popping the man to a whole slight,
but it gets hit by the ice path. Macro-Pyr going out. They're going in deep.
Now the buyback comes in. TP's behind them. 33. Gets the initiation.
And I'm opposed to a quick pick off there.
Well, that's just how it's Albert.
Tarantio, he tried to go for the kill in clubs,
but he won't be able to have it.
Now he's left in the middle of no man's land,
going back for Yatoro,
who does end up losing his life against BGM
surrounded by all these heroes.
Slotted in BKB, but they don't have any way to pierce.
He's just out.
That was a very clutched BKB slot.
He did it before he died.
So you guaranteed he would have the cooldown up.
Nice.
Spirit get out.
They don't take any racks.
end up taking two tier fours and they don't even get the glyph so honestly not
too much base damage done 33 this would be amazing but watch your hand it ruins
things for you he's thinking about that fight it always you got four buybacks
effectively on a plunder yeah they're on their last leg here another lost
fight they're missing everything BZM doesn't have the gold he has to buy
out. This guy's got 3300 AP. 33 just trying it alone while Dorachio almost dies. They're
split up all around the map. I'm not sure what the play is here exactly from Tundra. 33 needs
help. Dorachio needs help. They're after Radon. They all need help. They want Radon though.
They're focusing him. I mean they know he doesn't have the BKB. They're not gonna
allow him to get the teleport away. Dorachio back into play. Hits him with his stun. Bloodthorn
Little threatening, one shot is almost enough, but now looks like the support's heading him out.
Radon, CT, coming back up, he's going to heal up, and now here comes the reinforcements.
Spirit will bail out there, carry, Bloodthorn again, silenced up, BZM back to BKB,
but where's the red, then he jumps down to the river. Another one, back into the forest,
trying to get rid of this bot, trying to get away from Yatoro, but there's no getting away from the carry of Spirit.
His teleport is too good, and they will take the win in the opening game of this best of five,
against Tundra. We're done with the instant DC. This man is locked in right now, says I
don't give a damn if you're the so called best team in the world. I am the greatest
carry player of all time. You have to beat me. You're locked in here with me, Tundra,
as he just puts on a clinic and gain one on this Furion. I swear every time it feels
like one of these top tier teams bust out this carry Furion in clutch finals when
they need it. This hero just goes ballistic. It does so much work on the map. It's a really
strong laner and the DPS you can output is just absurd. 18-4 and 14-55,000 hero damage.
To put that in comparison, the next highest hero damage in the game was BGM with 27,000.
This guy has a thousand gpm, he has eleven hundred xpm.
The benchmark has been set quite high in this game one by Team Spirit and Radon in particular.
This is going to be a tough finals for Tundra.
Team Spirit reminding Tundra, you came into this the best of five against two time TI
winners.
You're going to have to do better than that.
They will in game number two because this is a one game was quite the awakening
Welcome to the grand finals team spirit says as they are they take that and they they make it look first of all
They make it look fun and interesting but also pretty dominant
They're incredibly dominant like spirit did so many cool things here
But I just love how yatoro's natures prophet was able to basically connect to every kill on the map
Like even in the early stages of the game, he was keeping top, getting kill on the enemy's support, pressuring Doratio, then whenever it collapsed, we'd dump into the time zone. Boom, he was there again.
Yeah, the Nature's Prophet plus Faceless Void combo honestly seems pretty good. Like, the cooldown reduction is definitely an element that I was not considering.
Considering it's like of course we can theorize you know, I did read the patch notes, but it's just never
It's just never been a thing faceless void has always been about like the enemies inside the chrono die
But in this match it really felt like he was just chrono-ing where the fight was and his team was abusing the cooldown reduction
Which is really cool. Like this is a a nice new way to play faceless void
I was gonna say he's always been a very disruptive time here or regardless if he's
fight here. I mean, regardless of whether or not he's using Chronosphere or Timesquare,
like the time dilation was absolutely destroying 33 that game, and I feel like they kind of
under-automized their dispels on the side of Tundra, and it showed in like the long
drawn-out fights getting chased down many times.
And a rare Ember loss.
Yeah, true.
But because we've been saying that Ember was broken, and first face picked, we
saw it as well Jenkins.
I would imagine that if everybody in pubs started picking Faceless Void and going
for the Times Square, that we would see that the win rate of Void versus Ember is very favorable
for the Void. Like the leash into Sprout on the Ember, and he just, he couldn't, he couldn't
get out. Like it's, he can be piercing, right?
Yeah. It looks very good. And to continue talking about the Faces Void, let's head
over to Fear for his Ace of Predator head to head.
Thank you very much, Sheevor. And yeah, we're going to look at the Offlaners for
this one, because you often don't get to see Faces Void being played in the
offline a little bit of a new meta coming out from Collapse here and he did end up going 6-4 and 20
This is the new void style
You're not gonna get a lot of kills but you will get a lot of assist because you are mainly playing around
Your time dilation as well as your ultimate with the chrono square as we like to call it and net worth as well
It is pretty good for Collapse here. This is a hero that generally can't farm very quickly
You don't really have an innate ability like the sanking
So you have to do it through fighting and you can see through the last hits alone
higher net worth because higher kill participation, but less last hits because you are a faces void this new offline void does want to fight
It wants to find kills and there's a clip as well to show what this hero does really well
The time dilation does go off on top of that you get the chrono square as well and radon can TP in now
BZM will die and this was kind of like the beginning of the end and a lot of that
Success of this game was the fact that we did have claps playing this faces void as a good support to radon's carry
Yeah, this was very good. I will also say, I mean, we theory-crafted a little bit about
the opening picks, Effie, before the series started. Opening with the Jekiro just felt
very, very strong. Open, I feel like Team Spirit had a very good draft coming out.
They did. I loved how high-paced that it was, and maybe they didn't come out of the
laning stage with the same net worth that Tundra did, but their ability to teamfight
early was there. We saw them take these teamfights with the time zone whenever they could, and
how good that looked for them. And I think for Tundra, they kind of varied from the archetype
we've been seeing them do, because the Ratchie one's fun. It's not as snowbally and high
impact as a lot of other carries who's been playing. So while they were happy with
the Ember, I don't think this then an Ember synergy looked quite there.
No, and they did take the Tormentor at really 15. They just couldn't do anything
else with it.
Yeah, so I was absolutely nerding out about nature's profits damage numbers. Okay. Yeah, I was watching these fights
I was pretty hot watching him just stand there, and I was wondering why is this guy doing so much damage
Because he was turning the universal, but he's not like buying universal items
He's still buying very similar stuff, and I was looking at it
They actually buff so he gets a damage from trees that are around him whether it's his own trees or whether it's just trees on
The map yeah, and the radius went from 300 in the previous patch just 600
Which is actually quadrupling the aoe of trees around him
So like when he teeped into that mid-gank that we saw in the clips from fear, like he's doing like he's getting a bunch more trees
Than he was in the past and it's 4% damage on a universe who's a lot of base damage as well
So I just these are like small changes when I'm like thinking about these fights and the way the game plays out that
You just have to feel it out and that one fight where he pops a Tannock
I'm like yeah, it's not like a PA who's gonna pop satanic and kill everybody
But for don didn't just that he can kill everybody. There's a million trees on the map now, too
That's also with the map changes. They're everywhere because they've removed all the high ground
So they had to make up for by adding a bunch of trees and they have a lot of trees
I mean the red dawn seemed to be very good at learning where all the trees are nowadays as he was able to teleport into the correct proper spot
Speaking of learning
We're gonna learn a little bit here as well before we head into the game number two
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The most important items to buy for the lane are region items.
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to help yourself fight back against the opponents, but also to secure lances if you are a core.
This includes items such as branches, circlates, gauntlets, slippers, and mantles.
And the next two categories of items are information items such as
Observer Wards, Smoke of the Seed, and Century Wards.
All of these items are absolutely crucial to help you on your lane,
potentially help you get some first bloods, but also stop the enemy
side lanes from abusing the hard camp or from you getting the easy camp in order to help your lane.
And lastly, you have kill threat items that allow you to get kills in the lane.
Blood Grenade which is needed on every support in the lane as well as Orb of Frost and Orb of Glide.
Orb of Frost and Orb of Glide are perfect on heroes such as PA, Slark or Juggernaut
for when you are up against weak double melee offlanes like Tidehunter plus Bounty.
This is an example of how the pros itemize and when you look at the core heroes in their
laning stage you can very easily see the concept of full damage in their starting inventories.
You can see it from both 3-3 and A's who are the offlaners but even in the mid lane
You have Quinn and you're not buying four branches and a fairy fire for the funds of it
You're doing this exactly because it gives you the most amount of damage in your laning stage
And this is really to just set up your entire early game and the strength of starting items
Starting items are so beautiful because you decide what you do with your hero and your items in this lane
33 decides to start with a sages mask because all he wants to do against the enemy razor is to spam his axes
Simply because of this, it allows him to have a very early Ring of Pazilius, which is great for not just him, but also his SD.
And at the minute 3 to 4 mark, it allows you to have Arcane Boots, which instantly means that the Razor can no longer lane in this lane.
Another thing to note is the difference between Normal Heroes and Universal Heroes.
Universal Heroes gain more damage for an item such as an Iron Branch.
A Normal Hero will gain 1 damage, whereas a Universal Hero will gain 1.35 damage.
Now we also need to look out for our support players out there
because we need to differentiate the items we buy as a core hero and as a support hero.
As a support it is your job to secure your core in the lane
and you have to account for which hero you're laning with and against.
And we all know that carry players aren't always the smartest.
So when it comes to these laning stages you need to understand
do you need more regen, do you need to block the enemy harken,
do you maybe need more saus, more mangos,
What do you need to do to try to understand your purpose?
As a support also you need to think about where do you want to ward?
Do you need to block the hard camp?
Do you need to ward your gate because maybe they're gonna come and gank you?
Do you need to ward your jungle so the enemy 4 doesn't go and gank your mid?
These are all super important things that you need to take into account for your starting items as a support.
The last thing to take away is Dota always changes and starting items will evolve with that.
There used to be a patch where you buy no starting items as an offlaner.
In the past week with the new patch dropping, the starting items have changed again.
One easy way to learn and improve is to watch pro tournaments like Dreamleague.
Look what they're buying, copy their items, and try to work out why they've bought them
so you can start thinking like a professional player too.
Thanks for watching Radiant vs. Dire by Kdea.
See you in the next one.
that they have played pretty predictable in terms of speed and pacing.
And Fyret did seem like Fyret was very well prepared for that.
They were, but I will also say,
Hunter really felt out of sync that game.
I feel like they were doing often things on the opposite side of the map of each other
where BZM's farming top, they're taking a team fight bot,
Dorachio has just bought himself so many different times as well.
I feel like this is not what we're going to see in game number two from Hunter.
However, Fyret is showing what they do best, right?
Even if they're behind, they'll find ways to get back and they're really showing that Radon is a player who's getting all the farm on the team
They're stacking collapse in a lot of ways. He's playing this void. He's not taking much farm
He's fighting and this is the way they like to play and Radon is delivering too
So I'm expecting completely different game number two here, but we'll have to see maybe spirit can keep it up
Yeah, I think Tundra just fumbled a little bit with their last pick in their draft in this one
I mentioned that I never see spun on dire
That's another Dire's fun loss, but it's also just not the archetype of hero that Dorachio has been playing where he snowballs
Lanes and then goes mid and then plays with BZM and they start to take over the map from there
It does feel like a lot of the carries this patch have just been instantly running mid taking that mid tower and just setting the pace of the game
Whereas we couldn't really see that come out of this fun and on top of that
He was getting leashed like you've been spotted by nature's prophet every time I looked at him
Yeah, maybe we see earlier pick for Dorachio here because well the thing is with this team though
It's like, you know, I want to hype up Team Spirit, of course
This is the ultimate grand finals team in Dota history. However in the Fisher Playground
presented by Fisher grand finals with Falcons and Tundra
There was a point where it was
2-0 for Falcons and it was looking like they were just gonna have a 3-0, right? Yeah, and then moon picked
Sand King and we asked them why did you pick Sand King?
He said we were losing so we just wanted to throw another hero into the mix and see how it changed the meta
that. And then they came back. Yeah, but my point is like they're they're they're more
than willing to just go okay we're losing clearly what we're doing is not working. Let's
completely pivot let's throw just something totally random like they're willing to go
to crazy lengths just to change up the draft and do you think they might do that maybe
after game one this time Brian rather than game two. I actually don't think they need
to change much I think their draft was perfectly in the wheelhouse of what they've been
winning with and I also think they were making uncharacteristic mistakes.
Doracho in his post-game interview, I believe it was two or three days ago, was
talking about how like in game one the other players fed so he had to feed in
game two and three. He's obviously joking, but they seem to, in that game
he decided to step up the feed in game one but I do feel like that looked
like a first game of the day compared to a team that just played an epic
like three game series or sorry two game series that they were very warmed
up and I think Tundra with the exact same lineup would have the exact
same lead at 15 minutes, not do what Fear said they did, which is a bunch of
different disjointed things on the map. And we have a different story. I'm not
saying that Team Spirit would 100% win that game, but I'm also not convinced that
that's a hero problem rather than a bad problem. How much of that is like if
Doratio just was on something normal for him? Like it would have the
game won. Doratio is the only hero I would change. Okay, okay, right. The other four I think was
perfectly yeah that's a pretty tundra draft other than the Sven sure but I do
think tundra are quite dependent on the connector carry to them early on in the
game and I just don't think he was able to do that for them last game like if I
were to ask you would you rather have a Dorachio lifestealer or alchemist
versus the Dorachio Sven which one would you want to have no I absolutely
agree that a lot of their success seems to be that the first of BZM and 33 are
great cheese players like they have heroes you have to target band that
Nobody else is banning like the invoker on BZM 33
I couldn't even list all the heroes that he can represent and threading in the draft
So the fact that Drought I think gaming gladiators looked their best all the like history that Dorachio was on that team
When they were just jamming alchemists just for a first pick first. Yeah, and just say hey man
You're gonna do exactly what you're gonna do whether this is the perfect game
Like that's supposed to be the quote-quote perfect game for spend meaning like he's 10th pick overall, right? Yeah
and he's on the other side of the
Map dying solo at like 15 minutes when they're up by 6k. He'll do that
Whereas heroes picked in the dress take the pressure off him. So when he does that it's not as big of a deal
I have I have like perfect matchups for BZM in mid or 33 in the off lane
It's like the safe lane was more of a trade farm like San King and nature's profit traded pretty evenly and mid lane
Even though Laurel had the air shaker or counterpicked ember went a bit like 55 45
Yeah, it wasn't all that bad
But if you're seeing BZM on the last pick at Voker, it's just a different story
Well, Tundra have first picked this time around so they could just choose to secure their teamfight with like a jikiro or something like that because fear did
Have the pick of the litter. Hmm at the moment of all the heroes that we saw about previously
The tiny and the abaddon are being left in. Yeah, we haven't seen a tiny ever bit in here
There's been perma bam, but most likely Dorachio hero it should be and I it's a good hero for him as well
I think tiny and DK their band every single game because they fit the same archetype
They farm very quickly. They do lots of damage. They're both very tanky. They both buy Saint Genyasha.
They can both take ancients. They can they do everything essentially you can pick it you can jam it early in your draft
And you'll never feel bad. You can flex it maybe to mid too if you really want to but you still have to play that carry style
Since I think the old tiny of mid builds is dead. They're no longer going to get the conda on this hero
So yeah, I mean this is a good hero for him and as I was worried about as well in the last game like if he doesn't
get a tiny or a Marci or like an Alchemist potentially maybe that one's more niche.
Draughtu hasn't played a whole lot of other things that are just getting banned in the first
phase.
And Bristleback's gonna come out versus the tiny.
I don't know if you care about this as a tiny too much.
Maybe the laning stage might be rough, but later on you can easily buy a Silver Edge
and toss this guy back.
Your high armor because of...
Eventually your high armor, yeah.
I think it just depends on, like, who the 4 or 4 the Bristleback is,
because I would prefer just like a Snot Rocket.
I'll find Bristleback as something like a Morita who can like chunk through this
tiny's armor as the game progresses.
I want to make a really interesting point.
I just looked up that the last time Tiny was allowed through the draft
was seven days ago in any series in this tournament.
Like, I was like, when was the last Tiny game?
It was seven days ago, Paravision vs. Heroic.
So that must have been early, like, first or second series of Group Stage 2.
Which means it was the first like two days of the new patch, so just for the viewers at home who haven't been following this whole tournament
Tiny has been assumed to be a permaband
I think the point that you're mentioning fear going into the series that they had to pick their poison on the side of team spirit
Tundra had a bunch of first picks that they were doing really well with and you said they might even consider just
banning the Dorachio specials and leaving in the
Permaband, you know
Those that shall not be named or picked in a patch and tiny made it through first time in a week
One other interesting point about that as well is Tundra have banned this when their first pick as well, the Tiny,
which potentially might show that they're not super comfortable on D'Rotcio even playing this as like an overall first pick.
But it's hard to say because like right now there's two heroes that carry in every single pub that people just first pick.
And it's DK and Tiny, it doesn't matter.
It was just first pick these heroes, they usually get banned right away because they're just so strong.
But I've seen tons of meadows as well where just because it's OP in pubs doesn't mean it's going to be OP in an official way.
as well. I like that Spirit's experimenting care, and we get to see this hero play. Is it OP? Do they have the answer?
I can also just be that there are higher values for Tundra when they are first pick than the Tiny in terms of how they play
because of their niche players and because of their things like Mercy.
But I do like that they target them in the first place because big team fighting fights,
that's normally what Spirit opt to choose in this phase.
Now I think you just go for a Rue hero, something that can give you the damage versus Tiny, and in this case
that's Marta, like I mentioned, she does very well against high armor heroes,
but she still needs like a little bit of scaling and a little bit of time.
The spirit's kind of lacking stuns right now, but on the other hand, you know, you want to draft that on one hand,
but on the other hand, when I see that they left through the tiny, you know that there's some answer to it that they're preparing.
I could see like, Undying Phoenix, these heroes where like you drop something and it's really hard to kill, you know, kill the thing,
thing, whether it's the ag or the tombstone. What about Wyvern? That's been pretty popular too.
Wyvern seems good, yeah, because they're annoying for Tiny. You can use the Tiny to
heal somebody else, prevent his physical damage with the golden brace. That sounds pretty good.
The thing is, Tiny doesn't really have a backup plan anymore. Like in the past with
carry, sometimes you'd be like a semi-carry pseudo guy that would go echo saber blink and
you'd enable some carry mid. But the reason why carry Tiny is more popular for people who
haven't read the patch is that the avalanche toss combo is much less potent, but the
The individual spells do more damage, so you're much more of a right-clicker that will toss
an avalanche and a toss in there in the fight, but like in the past, like say you played against
Wyvern, right?
In the past, you'd have the chance to burst Wyvern with your spells.
You could build into that, but you don't have that alternative option, so he's definitely
way stronger at the thing he does, but he doesn't really have a fallback, so I
wouldn't mind like completely countering that aspect of Tiny.
I also think it's because he's so good with Revenant's perch.
That's really what popularized him, because when the patch first came out, he lost
Almost every game here at DreamLeague because people are still building on all time.
Kugger? Speaking of losing every game!
I'm used to hearing that sound but normally...
He's actually not picked because we thought he would be losing every game.
Sorry, say that again? I was in a trance.
He's not been picked! You wore a costume because he wasn't been picked.
I did. I did. There's the boat.
Just say to them to convince them to pick it up.
This is an interesting one because I mean...
Get the fuck out of here!
Okay, what role do we think Kunkka is?
It's made is it Laurel is spending I think in pubs or is it really what's saying? What's the bill? I'm checking it out
I'll check it out for I mean kunkka is a frontline guy who is very hard to burst you will get in there tiny
In the last week phase blade mail, let's do a limmer shard Chivas octurine
Okay, so you're pretty much playing off lane tiny there's also off off lane kunkka that again
There's also how birds that he's been buying and glimmers. I see. Oh, yeah occasionally a halberd. Yep
But he's building the blade milk glimmer. He's playing like we saw necrophos play earlier where he's like some hard to kill
Frontline dude that also has some catch. I guess it all ever wins any games. He's four and four
And competitive in in pubs
There's also like a bigger reason for this conca and it just depends on draft order
So Laurel did this at Windranger previously like yesterday in the day before where when they have overall loss
on Spirit they set up for Adon's Heroes so they need to take a mid-hero that
doesn't really get countered and the mid-heroes that don't really get countered
aren't that good right now. They're Wind Ranger and Kanka those are the heroes
that you had previously picked on this phase so when he picks this Kanka here
he's just saying that there's no matchup that'll really bother me and
we're gonna give Radon the best last pick that we can. There's no matchup
that'll bother me because everything bothers me equally. Well said, Shiver.
Here's the storm be good here though
Like storm might be a somewhat of an issue for conca in this game, but they're not gonna bother with it
You know what would be a real nasty hero? Mmm. I think there's a good necrophos game
Oh, no, I think there's a good neck. Oh, so here's the problem with that hero
It looks good. Yeah, and then it loses at some point
It just looks terrible so bad that you just lose every game no matter how far ahead you are whenever they buy a nullifier
Or kid right right right? I'm just saying if you're a macro player you're looking at this team spear draft
You got two real tanky long taking team fight guys got BH melee dude
Is it going mid first?
Mid-necro
Well, it depends on who has lost pick
Okay, so yeah, you do risk if you did put it in offline just for like a solid game
You really risk getting the card counter like storm is safer though, but it might get banned
Thanks for my state
I also think you could just primal beast on BZM because you see the cooker mid laptop and he does love that hero whenever his team needs a break
What about Viper?
It's another one, but it's busy. I'd rather see the primal that mirror mentioned as like a guy that does stuff on the map
Like if I'm thinking if I'm a carry player and I have a bad enough lane Viper mid
I'm like well nothing's gonna happen in this game until I decided something happens
I'm sure Doracho will always try to be active, but I really think between mid and off lane you need somebody with catch.
And also the supports for Tundra rely on setup, and so I would personally prefer that their mid laner on Tundra has setup.
Like obviously the Necro is an example like Huskar for instance, are these heroes that cheese you?
Like maybe just dumpster the Kunka and lane, but if you're not going to cheese dumpster him and lane route, I think you need some cash.
So I'd rather see like the storm.
I mean, it's Spirit's banning Alc, so they think it's...
They think it's BZM tying it up.
They're calling the fact that Doracio can't play this.
That's what they're saying, right?
You think so?
I mean, Doracio needs to play this, though, because look at this.
Look at the bands.
They banned every single hero that's Doracio playing.
This is every Doracio here, except for Nightstar.
Except for Alchemist, where they made sure he has none left.
Yeah, the store still gets banned.
If BZM has a potential to still have a hero be picked,
I always feel the need to throw Invoker into the mech.
I think Conka's really good against Invoker.
That's why.
OK, here's the one with the counter, guys.
And so we're getting crazy.
Yeah, that's here.
Look at Odie.
Ooh!
Like Odie Vexel.
So he casted the semi-final.
Yeah, he's not here.
No.
Outhouse destroyer.
The hero!
I haven't thought of that hero in five years.
Probably for a good reason.
I actually saw a post the other day.
I'm ready to remove this hero.
That's a Barrow.
Insanely well.
It does.
And it works well with heroes like a Baton
that shield it up and protect him.
Yeah, honestly, if there was ever going to be an Odie pick,
I'd be right now.
I mean, that's some big copium, but we'll see.
Well, they still get one ban first.
They already banned out the Nature's Prophet,
so that is a little bit of history from the previous game.
Another done hero out with the Medusa.
The Medusa ban because they want OD
because you steal so much mana back.
True.
It's all coming to play here.
That'd be the sickest call.
That would actually be...
I don't think they will.
I don't know how good that hero is if it's even playable.
But the primal looks pretty good, too.
Like, some hero that can just get on top of bounty hunter and make him feed from mid is always nice.
I'm keen on Primal or Lesh, for reasons that I mentioned, but honestly,
Museum's chilling. Whatever hero he takes, he has an Abaddon behind him who's gonna shield him in front of him.
Yeah, Primal's definitely the best option.
The Lesh, the only concern is you're playing into two play-mail heroes, so you'll kind of eat yourself with that, but...
Yeah.
Yeah, I like the Primal.
We've talked about Tundra's pick, but for Spirit, I kind of worry about their damage if Radon doesn't get one of his likes.
like, TV arc type of heroes, because at some point your kunkum where it's a Bonnie Hunter
remand wall is not going to be enough to kill a badden and tiny and now panga.
It's a juicy slark game.
Is this the look of the unanned?
Oh it's not banned.
You just heard me.
No, it was not previous game.
Yeah, last game was banned.
I'd be very happy to see a redone slark.
Also, I mean, just to touch on the pangaloc I picked, it's a bit boring compared to
all the wild heroes we threw out there.
I mean, when the Necro comes out, I just don't think logically anymore.
I got a one-up hit.
I mean, it makes sense. It doesn't get countered by Kunkus X, which is the most nuisance thing that he provides as a mid versus other melee heroes, so you can just rolling Thunder through, and it's just solid.
It does play making potential around the map, and all of its damage deficit will be corrected for by the Tiny.
Okay, hear me out, Bloodseeker now.
I was thinking about...
The new axe?
Oh, I can see him in his mouth.
Whoa!
Whoa!
What?!
This is why we were theorizing crazy picks.
But I have also been told that this is a bad hero.
Who said that, Chiefs?
You!
No!
Jenkins, why'd you say that, man?
Oh, I didn't realize you were listening.
I was in the toilet.
Just like, please.
I was researching by calling Insania.
Uh-huh.
You're the expert, Fear.
Tell me about Clink's brother.
I mean, I do like him a lot for his pango,
because you do sit there, you range,
you stand your ground.
You can kill him during the roll pretty easily.
Not sure how else he's going to do this tiny.
Overall, the hero is not the strongest right now, but he is a turret. He'll sit there and he'll pump out lots of damage
They do have the double and fizz hunting bros as well. So they can play the map and that's potential
It has potential captain SVG. How my oh that is SVG. You're you don't seem convinced here by the clink
I mean you levered on cook
Drop the thousand gpm xpm game now. He's gonna play clink. I don't think he's gonna drop a thousand xpm
I'd be incredible if anyone's ever done that, but he is a record breaker, so.
So the only reason you believe in this is because, okay, it's Radon, you got it.
Yeah, sometimes you got to let the ego players pick the ego hero.
What do you think, Kevin? I'm sure you have.
I don't believe in it because I am a Clink's player. It's one of the few carries,
and I learned it by watching Radon in the first place.
Okay.
And he could not win on it.
If he can't win on it, I'm convinced the hero, and I don't think he got enough buffs to make it all of a sudden good.
I like their other suggestions. I don't know about the claim.
Do you like the OD suggestions?
Not that one. I like the carries suggestions.
That was for Tundra, right?
For the record, I actually liked the OD suggestions. I thought there was a decent chance they would have picked it,
because 33 used to play on that Tundra's guard where they picked OD a lot,
and they had a lot of tiny OD games that that TI went.
So he knows how to teamfight around that hero and really abuses it.
Maybe, maybe Game 3. We'll see, come on. Who knows? Who knows? For now, we get the Klinks, we get the Klink as well.
So Team Spirit definitely cooking up something special here. We're heading over to Game Number 2 via the Booktube. Bye-bye!
When you go into a best of five against the current Kings of the Meta, apparently you just throw out all the normal heroes and draft entirely new ones.
Klink, Klink, Team Spirit. Shaking things up here, Avery.
This is a wild draft for them. I could see this succeed
I could also see it just completely fail as Rodan gives ya on apparently he's he's bored in this series
So he needs to spice it up. Mmm. You know give me the skeleton archer
Just unfair and I will strafe them to death does take that new suppressive strafe facet
Yeah, suppressive fire press a fire. Yep, which gives you miss chance every time one of those arrows connects so
So, couldn't be pretty relevant versus the Tiny, generally a core hero that does not deal
well with evasion.
He doesn't want to build MKB or Bloodthorne too early to deal with mischances.
I can kind of see some logic there, especially if you get some goo stacks on him.
I think that's where the signup could really come together.
Just cut out this Tiny, put a bunch of minus armor on him, he has a bunch of mischance.
Upside for Tundras they have this Abaddon who can shield a lot of these debuffs
off and it looks like a pretty good Abaddon game.
bounty hunter always nice because bounty hits when you group and clump with
sustain a bad does that all the time you purge off a lot of the goosenex or the
bristle on the main target that you're trying to focus sure and it's generally a
hard hero for clings to play into sometimes because you can't go on him
in a lot of fights you go on your first target you become exposed they're
gonna turn on you you don't want to waste that attack of opportunity on an
a bad new as far as which is why I like the conca pick up so much as first
Wipebond is already taking in the top lane.
Wipebond, overestimating the power of his own miss chance in the starstruck.
And ultimately, also, that is why I have to leave Thunder here.
You're actually going to go Thunder?
I cannot bet against the Wipebond.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Just don't do it, Austin. Just don't do it.
I cannot believe they gave it to him. I also knew they were going to pick it in this game.
They're also still chasing after Dorachio, while Wipebond is gone because Wipebond had to teleport into lane.
That's why they focused him down in the first place. It was a huge opportunity.
He does manage to get the neutral creep deny, but this puts him out of lane for a full 30 seconds.
It's really bad start to the 106th lane. You're just missing so much here.
Level 1 goo is just way too good.
Yeah, it is a brutal spell for any melee hero to play into.
Strong start to the lanes for Spirit overall particularly in that top lane Laurel's gonna free farm mid on this Kunkka in the state
This lane
I think this is the lane Tundra can win the hardest. Weaver Abaddon is a strong lane and Clink's is not
Not that strong of a lane to put it mildly
No, he can survive lanes but often this hero has troubles winning this DS battle and he does not help his support if the support is getting gone
So I can absolutely steam and push can go down a couple times in this lane if Tundra want to invest in the detection board
Oh, let's take it about one thing that maybe helps out clinkz is we're seeing a lot of carries trying to utilize this
Ancient camp that is behind the safe lane tower
And I do think clinkz is one of the heroes that benefits from that being an ancient camp rather than the easy and medium camp
It was before
You can see that
You also stack it up. You can zero can clear stacks a little bit
Hello, man.
Bugs go out.
Mapozhka.
No detection yet.
Yeah.
He laid out a sentry.
He knew he was in a safe space.
So, this is going to be a free farm lane for 33 though.
There's just no way to force a badden off this lane.
So, he will have his pick of what early items he wants to go.
I strongly suspect it will be something in the blade mail.
Maybe Halberd.
We've seen him do Lotus Orb on this hero,
and I fully expect the blink to come out on the badden at some point.
What do you do with two Enviz heroes, sit on a Lotus Pool?
There's a Senncher coming on the courier.
Yeah. He gave it up.
Okay, yeah, he did.
Didn't want to lose his courier, I guess.
Uh, yeah.
What's a big Lotus win?
I don't know, Coach, get here.
Extra regen is linked to him. He's super nice.
Mid is almost entirely even.
I think that's probably how it should be here.
I think early defuse laws easy on him could really ramp this game up,
this game up because there's some very susceptible heroes on the side of spirit in terms of what
that mana burn can do.
Really good versus the Burstleback, all the tops and TI, honestly, mana burn is nice
versus Kukka because this mana pool is not that large and if you run out of mana for
one spell in a combo it really neuters your teamfight.
Pretty annoying hero for Mortha in the early game and this Clinkz can also get
mana burned out.
It's a hero that needs mana to play fights and doesn't generally build mana items
So I get a fast refusal here. You're gonna cook. I think it is actually one of the biggest issues with clink's is like
What is your first item now? I know Radon likes the Falcon blade first
So it's not surprising he's gonna continue that tradition in the new patch. You need some mana region zero
Either through a neutral item or cheap Falcon blade or something. Yeah last patch
It was people going no talismans because the man reach in from that item, but you're on white on
Has the loot charges got to fight it out. Yeah, they're gonna try and trade out supports here
Whitemon does die to Rachio. He's dead too. He is gonna be able to get that one kill
But yeah, he's the goon just builds up and he is the hero with no armor
So I mean we saw spirit give this tiny in the draft
So if you give away this hero that has been a first-man hero the entire tournament you have to have a plan for it
They got their response on the brist back
They forced the lane matchup or at least it was given to them because you know they're probably playing tiny carry
And it's a great matchup for the person
So they are shutting down this tiny early ruining his acceleration and that is gonna hurt
Tundra's game plan a whole lot because ideally you want this tiny to three
bombs so you can start clearing through stacks and jungle really fast.
Even worse that this mid lane manchef that was even now gets ganked up by Rue
because of the success in the top lane. He knows that he's able to just go mid
for a little bit. Collapse should be totally fine as he is level five
with boots, ring of health, soul ring. He is untouchable.
And he's certainly putting back to a show right here.
It's just Farms. The camp and the easy camp while two heroes are watching.
This is a really strong Star for Spirit. I did not expect him to do this well in the lanes.
A little bit of pressure, but he does have Deathpacked up in two seconds, so should kind of be fine.
As the bugs go out, but he gets a little bit of heal from the Deathpacked.
He also gets level five off of that, so a double Deathpacked.
He eats the catapult too much HP.
You're not even winning this lane.
the side of Thunder. I think this was the best one in terms of chance for them to roll it over.
And he's going to get the Lotus too. Fight for the Power Room.
PCM uses Rolling Thunder to secure it. Meanwhile, Bapojka tried a little too hard,
it seems, to mess with 33s. Yeah. Overstate, you're welcome. Yeah, he's able to wash Buckle
it off. It is hard to lock down the Pango. It still managed to get the kill despite the
The Lotus Pickup!
Had the tech-packed on cooldown for a little while.
Collapsed meanwhile.
The Arrow.
Wipe on land, this one's Starstruck.
Now that he's hit a corridor, the Arrow is guaranteed to land...
Tundra, striking right back!
Oh yeah, those are big pickups.
They needed them in these sidelines.
These two cores are getting close to level sixes.
You have to get something going.
And Barrel Time popped.
Another run down here.
Dude, another kill.
it was no he does take out to the damage over time 33 he's just one you just won
v3 defectively yeah I killed them one by one three in a row yeah you're right
they got barbys now arrow lives on hey it's not the wisdom in graph but they
can't stick around for it now he's gonna be pushed back into it he regrets
using that leap now I'm sure still a ton job we're looking like they were
in trouble this early game at 33 just puts team on his back right here and
So don't worry guys. I'mma win this lane on my own. Soxa
Go help the boys. Oh! The dead shot doesn't land neither. It's just the torrent.
Soxa survives.
Maybe for now. Yeah he's surrounded by too many heroes.
Trying to use their rolling thunder. Maybe he can chain-stop Lara long enough to get this kill.
As he hits them multiple times but he puts himself in a little corridor. Here comes the arrow!
They'll bust him into the arrow and they finish him off. Now he's surrounded by three.
Can he get out? Not looking good. Couldn't even get off the shield crash.
This still wins for Tundra though because they were losing the laning phase so now you break it up
You get a lot of gold on the Abaddon plus the pango here. You're in way better shape and space for Doracio
He doesn't have to just sit in this lane and try and deal with the personal back. So it's having a much better time
Early Radiance perhaps without a bad that could be
I'm bad at putting the game on your back, right? Yeah, all right. I gotta do something here change this game up
Change this series up. I will be the carry now
Yeah, I love the idea. You are having this good of a start.
Radiance, Manta. Sounds like a great get.
Tell Stranche to hit him with the dust here.
But, Radon, he's pretty fast. The dust debuff only lasts so long.
Good Steve, 33, getting really aggressive in this game.
I think he needs to maintain that aggression.
Spirit do not have great answers to the abatement.
Particularly early on. Unless you want to throw collapse in there,
and really try to run him down, but I think collapse is very happy with where he's at.
Oh, he just chased everybody out of this top lane, arguably having an even better game
almost than 33.
He just had to split the XP multiple ways.
Yeah.
Tower, it's going to fall 33, 1st to 5k in net worth, though collapse should get that
team accomplishment here pretty soon with this top tower being totally free.
Don't think Tuntra going to contest him anymore, especially as he has a full out
Heaven's Halberd on the way.
If you get into the part of the game where your cores are too tanky for Spear's damage,
that's kind of how you abuse Kunko, which is why we saw this hero fall off.
I think the meta in the last few years has really revolved around finding ways to make
high damage heroes until you combine an insane amount of EHP with some capability of doing pretty good scaling damage.
That was a pretty good example, right? We saw this last PA, a lot of HP items, full stats, builds, yeah.
Like usually you either find a hero that does absurd damage and build him tanky, or you find an absurdly tanky hero and build him damage.
I mean one of those two pathways. Kunkka is just in that weird spot where he's tanky, but how do you make this hero do damage?
Yeah.
Generally it's only ever been the water park, obviously.
Yeah, that was definitely a metaphor for a while. Their arrow slips on by, BZM, silence, about to wear off, but the X.
That'll stop him from being able to get off the rolling thunder. Now they look for Whitemon as well, who does have one leap,
but he's gonna be running right into a Torrentous Man to dodge it, but damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It collapsed just on a rampage in this game.
First pick, Bristle in response to that tiny hit, already getting out of control.
Soxa is still level 4. He's given up so much experience to 33, who is level 9 at this point in time.
He's totally free farm in the bottom lane, but it also leaves Soxa without much area to get experience.
So his Shikuchi, low enough level, he is easily caught.
This game is gonna be 100% on 33 and what he can do.
It's gonna have to drag the team back.
They're still trying to deal with this Bristol back.
They just don't have the tools yet.
The fact that he's using Rollin' Thunder, it really can't do too much with it here.
Don't have to fuse a lot. That's your entryway into these skirmishes.
You got the next one, the other hero.
Yeah. These supports, they are just getting fed upon.
The Kunkas, too good of a counter to heroes that are usually, as the ports, quite mobile and hard to track down.
But you're still missing ults on both these supports for Tundra, whereas you have them online for Spirit.
just not favorable skirmishes and again you're investing so much of this in this avadin who's
gonna have an absurdly fast radiance but every time you bleed out more of these kills 33's
entrance into the game is made that much harder right so you're kind of counteracting what
he's doing by just staying here not joining the fights can't afford to bleed too much more
here if you're tundra or this avidon's not going to be able to pull you back particularly
at least since Mapocha has the track now, right?
That bleeding is all the worse.
Yeah, he's already scouting out Dorachio, leaching some XP.
Laps is making his way across, but oh, court a long trek.
I mean, I think every time Laps sees Dorachio in this game,
he's gonna make his life miserable.
All right, well, he finally gets here,
and Dorachio, who's gonna be victim to this?
He'll stack too, or what?
I think so.
Kill the hero first, Dorachio,
knowing he's dead is gonna try to clear out
And spending those ancients as possible before he inevitably dies.
Scout him out, walk Bersil across the map, easy carry kill, steal some of the creeps Doracho has.
Nothing in this game.
33 has the fastest radiance I've ever seen him all playing about.
And he's no part of it.
Well, that's in 14 seconds and had an ancient stack available to him.
He is not going to go Manta, he's going to go Blink Tag or first, as you said.
He really likes this item quite a bit.
I feel like he has blinders on right now.
I don't know anything else that's happening in this game, guys.
You figure it out. Hope it's not too bad. Please stop feeding, I'll carry.
The old mode Hector, you know.
Question is, can Tundra stop feeding?
Between the pick-off, the lockdown that the Kunkka provides,
and the information that Mapojka is getting.
Are these heroes to exist anywhere on the map?
They are smoked up. They got the fusel on the pango.
Actually, you go to 33 years being ganked, which is pretty good situation.
The Radiance burn is going to do quite a bit now with the rolling thunder control.
Collapse is going to be in trouble.
Rolling thunder into arrow, both coming in, trying to give him the boost that he needs.
Collapse trying to stay alive.
33 just keeps hunting him down.
Now 33 without the borrowed time.
Can he push through against three heroes?
He's going after Rathawn.
Oh, body block a little bit.
The Facebook's flip's on buying dustman.
Jeff, finish off Rathawn.
Now Laurel's in trouble as well, and they don't have much control.
Super smart map play from Tundra. They smoke to the strongest hero just as Spirit decided to try and take him on.
And you get the greatest teamfight you could ask for in this game, which is that Radiance of Aden going to work instantly.
That is not a fight Spirit wanted to end up being in. Just unaware of the timing on the Pangolier and the connection Tundra were making.
making because they were making this play top the post goes getting chased out
by a couple heroes thanks beer felt a lot safer in that play because the bounty
was making space than they actually were yeah thunder just said we're gonna make
two places the same time if you're with on knowing that there is a blink
dagger a batting nothing there's nothing you do in this matchup except keep
farming and stay away from honestly if your spirit right now you got a dog
He's a big problem. He has 620 gpm on an offlane of badnet 15 minutes
Like that is
Like I've been watching Dota for a long time. That is
ungodly
But poshka was setting up on the Tormenter just trying to get some info will be caught
I mean if 33 carries this game, I don't know what to say like after that lane stage how bad the tiniest position is
He's just going to tell the team you'll hop in my backpack.
I left Liquid for a reason, boys, something.
33 will help them take Tormenter.
Socksuck, it's much needed shard, though he doesn't have Gemini to attack yet, but
eventually this will allow him to cut some more waves.
I bet you wish that was the old Weaver shard.
Buffed up the swarm, it detected Enviz. That thing was broken, yeah, that was pretty good.
Alright, Spirit trying to strike back in this game, they have their double blademail available now between the Vrissal and the Kukka.
So they have a lot of reflect damage.
I don't know if there's that many heroes that are guaranteed to care about the reflection though.
Here comes the Rolling Thunder, they're gonna be fighting into the calling, but good hits for the Rolling Thunder initially with the toss back,
putting them together still though hitting the bristleback not the best target
room and just side 33 33 comes in from behind he's hitting some strike heroes
though who immediately popped their blade mail and there's the target he wants
but he's already taken so much damage he has done a little bit if that exit
caught him oh yeah you would have been in trouble you really have to think
about these X marks in this game it's a very good cook a game from a utility
standpoint and it sets up the cliques for a lot of success who already has
his burning barrage was redawn loves buying this shard it's early as
possible
Great farming tool, but also with the axe it's kind of guaranteed right next into both. Oh, wait for a garage that area
And we're gonna see it put to use right here
Soxa gone
Now the pressure mounts the other way is a poshka
Having a poke at white mon got all his leaps. That's worth a decent amount here, too
I mean it is one of the best X mark games. You're gonna see in whole
Maybe in the patch because we never see this hero
Yeah, but super good counter to the moronal leaps super nice versus the weaver
Honestly, it's pretty nice Melvors pango sometimes because you can jakely interrupt this rolling
No pango does have a pretty good match up versus hero channel
And it's nice for see a bat like you can try and blink away, but once you're asked
You got to get that blink just right
Once tundra are in a fight. They're kind of locked in you're not going to be able to kite it out too easily
Unless you bring the kunka down first
Always a tall order
Perhaps he's actually broken there for a stackings, but they are just bringing overwhelming damage
But look at that torrent hit went to the boat dangerous, but they still managed to get the kill on collapse
So though Doran choose a bit low pops the essence ring does get x but they don't really want to over commit too much
Meanwhile bzm getting picked off by radon and the bottom lane picked up
Well, I guess he didn't pick up anything looks like he hasn't hit damage, but no
I guess this is a really buggy model, you know, it's so blue.
The power of TI money, I guess, TI winner advantage.
True.
That's a big kill for Spirit to get.
This is a bad news, taking over fights, can't just let Tundra get pick offs and not get
any sort of trade on the map.
I think one thing to, if you like the Furion for the map play, Clinkz does give
give you that element as well, which we may see come into play as Tundra trying to push
in these lanes, catch these heroes that are out in the map, oh good grab, Doratio, sure
maybe you kill Moposhka, but Doratio dying in the mid lane, that hurts.
I mean all I want to know right now is what is 33's game plan to continue scaling this
game, he picks up Ekko, he's going to go Harpoon.
The issue with the Baton is sometimes it's really hard to scale his damage into the later
portions of the mid-game.
It's hard to keep up with other scaling right-click cores because your passive just isn't as
good the later and later the game goes.
It's an early snowball passive more than that old balance form.
His itemization is just so important here.
He cannot afford to buy the wrong item or take a fight where that item doesn't
help.
Easy to die.
Or Radoan to die.
Now, Mjolnir is done for the clinks.
The damage output is ramping up.
You combine that Mjolnir with what is going to be a Shiva's on the Kunka, going in, pulling
people back with the tidal wave, the X, into Shiva's aura, into Mjolnir procs, the burning
barrage.
It's a nasty amount of kind of static team play.
33.
Clink's on a roof.
Here's the veil.
There's some of the Kitey that we're talking about, the arrow.
I already threw it.
Yeah.
Deadshot back.
This is not what you want to see if you're 33 right now, getting kited around quite a bit.
And look who's standing up mid.
And the Pochka just...
...doesn't hit up.
Doesn't want the courier, he wants Dorachio.
Yep, his team...
...they are making their way over right now.
Trying to slow down Dorachio, Dorachio sees what's coming now.
Hunter also running cross-map.
Roshan will throw 33.
Did not like that.
Gets him a little bit closer, but now he's on the one side of the river.
And he tried to blink out of the X, doesn't work for him.
Now he's going to be pulled back into the Tide of Wave.
There goes the ult, heals back up into the East End of it.
Here comes the rescue attempt from BZM.
Atorrent's going to land stunning him up.
Meanwhile, Laurel does die as BZM is
able to hit the back line pretty nicely.
Tossed together, going after Klaps.
Now Klaps still wants 33.
33 trying to kite away, does hit him with the hairball,
slowing him down.
It's not good enough.
Heroes radiating in from the high lane
as Klaps trying to put more and more quills out.
They do manage to take out BZM.
Yes, while Collapsed Lever at HP, at the screen keeping him alive, he will be okay for now, while Radon just delivers more and more damage.
They focused on the tanky boys, and as a result, Radon has a free teamfight for him.
Dorachio get out of here, does have some shields.
Bit of a fighting shield action, lest the deadshot is perfect!
Dorachio would have been able to get away, but Rue is just so on point.
Nasty, deadshot pushing him down those stairs.
And such an awkward fight for Tundra. I think the toss it on 33
Was very aggressive didn't end up killing him. I think if it did he would have tilt it out of this game
But nonetheless just too much HP to get through in this fear lineup
You could not get collapsed man that less back last vessel charge not enough from the bounty hunter. It's just so tanky
And the difference really is just the start the Rachu had in this game
This tiny is a one or two thousand gold ahead because his lane was better if these fights could be going tundra's way
Said you're falling just a little short
Still have 33 on top of this game, which is the crazy part
That harpoon will be coming out
Thanks so much in that fight as well
Cost moral is life. I'm just running it back, but smoke is gonna be broken by Mapochka
They don't get the pick for it 33
He still has an Invis rune, but he is completely alone here.
He's hanging on no detection.
Yeah, it blinks out.
Got a track on Tundra, and that just kind of kills the whole bit of aggression from the squad.
It's another nice little bit of synergy too.
You just track these heroes up, guarantee you can get the X marks on things like the Weaver or the Marana during the ulti.
We should not forget about Moonlight Shadow in this game.
game could be a really nice tool for Tundra later on when they have more initiation capability.
Hasn't been too useful so far, but that can change. Shadowblade for the Tiny, another invis mech.
There's a lot of invis in this game. I would expect some gems to come out in the short term here.
Do not want to let these heroes get in and out of the fights on either.
And Harpoon, done for 33, almost level 18. He is a beast! And we will see just how much a
farm the all plane of baton can do they are near the pit which spirits kind of
sneak in a row sheer real quick looks like they'll get it to
it's a fight if the pain goes there you get caught spirit just call the bluff
burst it down he just over dawn without me older build that feels good right
now oh yeah no daddy also went the searing signet which combined with the
yield there actually gives them a decent amount of magic damage. His barrage is
hurt and you get strafed on. If he can land some straves on the tiny, it's just
fight winning. Particularly if the tiny's going on something. You hit him with that,
he starts missing. That's massive. Yeah. If the post wants to give a little
Pokes, you'll see the gold.
He's bringing the Kunkka down here a little bit.
But Laurel did not go and Orc could build or anything like that, so...
Kind of hard for the Kunkka to all in.
Some of these heroes he needs backup.
Rue coming down. Full Glaten are done for the Morta, by the way.
Another catch mechanism.
They're going to use all that catch.
The silence, he's easily changed up.
Tallings, bow, axe. I mean all of these things you get away from it
You get dead shots back in you get away from it
You could hide away back in then run the area of like the team fights set up for team spirit
It's so dead. You cannot run for this once you're in the fight. You're committed
Thunder have to live and die with the consequences of that
It's it's hurt this weaver a lot
I mean normally you pick this support so he's elusive on the map he gets lanes in he's farming with bugs seven deaths
on socks
not had a fun time. Which is funny because I feel like Tundra's heroes are at least the
Tiny and the Abaddon are pretty good heroes for that kind of scene.
Gem's already up. Nice arrow. So there's that early Gem that Tundra need in this game.
You just can't let him push good. Get away with what he's been getting away with here.
The setups have not been fast but he's been doing a decent job of finding them.
Just run the heroes across the map.
That's a little torment to pick up.
33 late to the party.
Uh, I think that's...
Oh, I guess it was...
But Pochka's the only one who does not have a shard now.
Because all the cores love their shards on the side of the Spirit, so they bought out.
33 looking for anything right now.
Knows how strong he is.
Knows the amount of pressure on him in this game too, but they did finish up the brooch on the tiny.
So this is a big damage power spike for Dorachio.
His game has been rubbed.
However, he has recovered it, and now he does some serious DPS.
Almost level 18 as well, it would be a nice little timing to hit here.
The issue for Tundra is you are playing into Aegis, so Spirit not afraid to take the fight right now.
Lightyear gets the grab, I'm Dorontio.
Starting it slow. No X there, from Laurel.
Do you want to take this fight with your Tundra?
She doesn't return!
You gotta be careful, you're walking right into him! He may have the Aegis, yes, but on the second life, he may still be in trouble.
Yeah, that's a rough position.
Can they bail him out here?
I mean, with the wall, you're better hitting somebody.
Heroes, Radon, OK.
Klaps is pushed forward.
They're going to start going up to the tidy here.
Hit him with the torrent.
Hit him with the ball.
Tidalway back in, and he's gone.
Radon.
They try and deal with the Radon.
They're getting closer and closer.
33, he finished them off.
Yes, and now he pops to borrow time.
Not taking any damage, though.
He blinks, trying to get out in the situation.
The team fight is looking pretty good.
Oh, the arrow!
The turnaround kill, and collapse.
BZM, one hit.
Shield.
Laurel, a second.
It requires the opponent shield goes off,
And it's Laurel who dies instead, Tundra!
They outplay Spirit in the fight.
They get a great turn, a great initiation onto Radon,
and it takes some heavy toll on Doracio, but they do manage to win it.
The shields, the arrows, the spellcasting from Tundra coming alive in this game too
as they absolutely strike back and get Radon twice.
That was like such a tough teamfight on Spirit's side of the map.
With the Shiva's done on the Kunkka, and a glimmer on the Bristle, Essence Ring's available, two lives on the Klinks, they cut through it all.
Now you have a killing spree on this Marana, how'd you know it?
I mean, H3, that almost got taken away by Maposhka, but instead Maposhka will die instead.
I warned you, I warned you.
You didn't warn everybody.
I warned nobody, I got...
Kids ain't listening out here, I don't know what to tell you.
Sox is gonna try and sneak the wisdom shrine and we're done.
Oh my god. I thought he was gonna walk away from it.
I mean, he can't really stick around. Dorachi was on his way.
So they aren't gonna get double wisdom shrine, presumably.
He still have the other one to claim.
It feels like Tundra are just getting the more impactful items right now.
Hag's done on the pango and combination with that diffusel is gonna add a lot to their teamfight here.
We saw some of the mana burn out, he helped as well.
I think you've got to get to BKB and Radon now that you know what KB is general like
I think you want BKB in all three cores here sure so you can man up bring big core targets down
But 33 is just beating you to all these times these are double plenty has entire assault keros
Plus a gao guard
Like what's he gonna go the emulation DPS?
talent
He's debating what he wants to do.
Like you consider it at this point, you are the team's damage.
I mean he is, he is absolutely putting up an MVP performance this game.
No doubt about it. This game does not exist without this 33 of baton right now.
Oh my god, they know Rodan's here.
They will fight it. There is no outs for him here.
Yeah, he took the borrowed time in elation.
This is 33's game to carry right now.
Dorachio chill my man. I got this. I got it all locked you know.
8-0 and 8. The pick-off on the enemy carry.
Tundra. Spread out on the map.
Push in some lanes. And let it keep the Dominoes falling here.
Smoke up. White Mon. BZM.
Little two man. They're gonna kind of trail 33 who pushed in the mid lane now.
Joins them for the smoke. They're gonna sweep to the left side.
left side. Trying to put some more pressure on before these BKBs come out on the side of
Spirit. You were close to that Clink's one, the Death Stats in back, you finished the Bristle
backs. But honestly, I don't know how-
There's Silence again, the Chain Stuns, the StoO is pretty deadly. He does have, uh,
Shikuchi, Jules, and Ghost Scepter, that's all gonna help him out here. Gotta get
out of your Spirit now. All the Arrow just in time from Leimann. I expect nothing
less at this point and damage online for BCM as well as 33 is just swinging into
mid. They can keep this guy in the area for a long time.
Can only fall in time blink though if you don't have the axe up. You can't initiate with the
axe is the problem there. The thing about the items on collapse here is he
did itemize to deal a lot of damage. It's all survivability and utility. He's
playing the Snot Rocket.
Are you that afraid of this Bristleback right now?
Especially if you can start the fight on the Clinks
and take some big damage out.
I don't think that fight looks that difficult.
The other cores do not do any damage.
And that's a big problem for Spirit right now.
It means they need to start fights
where Tundra are forced to deal
with the Bristle and the Kunka on the front line.
And if that doesn't happen,
the team fight is already gonna start to fall apart fast
here because it means you're either killing supports or killing redolph and that's the
majority of your damage at the fight.
Okay, the Bristol back still top damage with no damage items being built.
What a funny hero.
You dropped a rubber.
You did a lot early game.
He killed those tiny like four times.
That's like a thousand damage each time.
It's just hilarious that I feel like there's a sign of Bristol back and how good the
hero is when you can go a utility build, a utility facet and still be like the most
damage in the game.
Bristleback, things built different.
Yeah.
33 leading the charge.
Just keeps playing in Spirit's face, not giving them a lot of angles.
And the fact he has the gem is really annoying here,
because you can't get around him to scout the rest of the team sometimes with this bounty hunter.
Yeah.
But, Radon is going to be able to play out on the map.
Now, he got caught that one time.
He may get caught again, but it is going to be a bit of a nuisance for Tundra.
constant presence and soon he's gonna have BKB and they will not have anything to stop it
Not until I assume eventually 33 is gonna consider a basher, but post go found somebody
To one point white mon
It's picked off and that's a really awkward pick off
I mean they're controlling the map, but did you just give clearance for spirit bad place to die?
Yeah, poke and Roche the thing is if 100 don't see heroes on the map
You have to assume they're in that pit
The BKB just finished for a redawn
This might give spear enough confidence to try and man up for it. We saw the man up for that roche earlier
Yeah, he might as well try. Soxa can't get vision inside the pit. This one's a lot harder though
I think 30 will take this fight no matter who else is alive, and you have this axe diffusal pango
Who he's a menace in the pit. I don't think you can force this one need more pick off to your spirit
They're gonna five-man smoke look for somebody on the mid lane going in
Might just be BGM. He's gonna be hit by the Shivas. Roll up and just to stop the
expo back here. 33. Grabbing whatever heroes he can. Go straight for Laurel.
Tideway's gonna push him away. Wiles Zoranci already got a lot of damage on
Claps. Arrow's coming in. He does have the BKB on Radon going on, but he can't
kill anything right now. The boat comes back in, hits 33. Media borrowed time.
They want to keep chasing. They want to be able to pick up my hero. BGM's just trying to create an
Base for 33 to get here to get on top of the Klinks. He's already dead. And now it's clean up time for Tundra
One two three and a fourth on the table. Rue's not getting away from this either
Tundra
Damn near wiping spirit right in front of their tier two too many angles in that fight
Both of those frontliners are just getting run at the tiniest running at the barrisal almost kills him
There's a bad is just running at the Kunkka the second that frontline collapses for spirit the fights over
Klinks cannot do it all on his own
This a bad news just way too bad
The bad man Austin is a bad man. He's doing bad things right now
This is just a perfect performance so far from 33 you cannot ask for anything more
He has brought the team completely back into this game. This tiny is a mega threat now
And this is where Kunkka just feels
This is the, we're seeing a big problem point for this hero and we do not see him a lot.
You fall behind in these games, enemy becomes tanky enough that they can just ignore you.
You're not a threat whatsoever.
Yeah.
And there's nothing you can really do to itemize.
Oh, we got him on the Carrier use!
He gets the vision through the Carrier to hit the ULZ to stop the TP.
And now Mapoche guy may still be able to get away, it's not even still in that
corner outside of the dust so he's fine but obviously it's not even worth chasing him anymore now
though BZM with the quick stop by will finish his octorine on the paintball just i mean what are
these three cores are you supposed to initiate on if you're spear? The Abaddon with blink borrow
time uh i'm gonna say with two lives in the 4k watch yo when he's really close to your base
it's tough you're not gonna be able to to get anything out of him not even the bkb
old 4k gale guard tiny with 27 armor for the pango with roll up plus 3000 HP and
gem on him now so you can't sneak up on him yeah you're pretty much playing for tidal wave
repositioning the only way you can really do it got too much HP to get him through any burst
Playing for the high ground defense?
Yeah.
I mean, we saw...
For BKB is available.
That is something.
A lot of VISTA plate.
I mean, Radon is just...
He's gonna have a hard time doing damage here.
Link back, X back into play.
Tidal Wave pushing him in even deeper.
But you can see Radon doesn't want to be too close to 33.
He's about to just take the fight.
Try to get the dead shot to push him back in even deeper.
They gotta get the hold out of him.
Eventually, the ult's gonna go off here, but meatball buildings are gonna be dropping here.
They throw in Collapse!
Our rolling Thunder hits him in the meanwhile, and he gets off the BKB and makes her run for it.
He might be able to survive.
Oh, these shield crashes, almost finishing him off there.
Hey, that's a Rax down.
It is.
It's the ranged Rax. You don't get anything here.
Banner's still up as well.
Drach can just go back in.
They've got two and a half minutes.
They can wait out the borrowed time cooldown if they really want to.
That's the only thing holding Tundra back right now.
Fifty seconds on that parl time. Yeah, they'll call it quits.
This is not in the baddened streak you want to give up right now.
He's also closing on 25 Spirit. They want to take advantage of it.
This is a really smart play if it works.
Can absolutely turn the tides in this game.
He's getting scouted.
We'll see if he can get up anything before he goes down.
It's just too much.
The rest of the team touched us.
They're like, no, we can't we can't save them.
We can't get any sort of rebuttal.
Just have to give up the pit.
The beast has been slain.
He has.
There'll be 1,300 gold for that kill, 80 seconds off the map for the event, no buyback.
Laurel is the one to get the last hit, I'm sure disappointment to Radon who really needs
this Revenance brooch.
I mean he just needs more and more sources of Magic Gauge to be able to cut through
these heroes as Maposhka scouting out finds the 4.
If the 4 of you are still going to try and take this, I mean there's no bad try
to go for the Weaver right away with the pick-offs of Chain's silence, he pops
to go Scepter, dead shot back in.
May have an opportunity to get off the time lapse.
We said it's a Shikuchi.
Just run away.
I still think you have to find something here of your spirit.
Didn't know that vision.
Radawn forced to use the BKB.
Turns and fights, and is doing some good damage.
He'll derach you, and will eventually bring him down.
But that's just the edges.
He's got to get out of here.
BZM trying to chase him down with the Rolling Thunder
does not get him with the DOS.
Meanwhile, two BKB cores of Bristleback and Laurel
still chasing after Tiny.
They don't really have much damage.
They have to wait for Radawn to come back out of play.
He's gonna silence on this. Soxia, Shukuchi, got hit by the Glite here.
Don chose himself for a second, a dangerous position. Soxia, he's might be able to get the kill on him.
He's gonna run down to Shukuchi. Radon, he tries to come in to help give the kill on Soxia.
Soxia gives his life up instead, and now, 10 seconds still to get Bannon's back up.
70 for the clinks.
He got so greedy there, he just wanted to come in and gets an extra assist gold.
Ghost Scepter dodges the strafe and then he's able to turn it around with Dustbug.
Huge play from Soxa, completely nullifying this Abaddon kill.
Spirits do not get enough out of that window and 33 is back on the map.
Looking for more, looking for kills, looking for the level 25
and he will get it here.
Okay, plus 80.
Curse of Avernus, attack speed bonus.
Yeah, that is nasty when you have this much right click as well and that basher and the eviscile.
Yeah, you talked about how this new passive is better for the early game?
Well, it gets a big, big spike quite later on.
If you get to take all the clinks, you're just gonna ruin his day.
Yeah, he's not gonna be able to do it.
You're gonna guarantee bash him, you're gonna be able to abyssal him.
Doesn't want to lay his spells into you.
He's just running down mid.
He wants buildings here.
Still 15 seconds, still the clinks is back up,
so he has clearance to do whatever he wants in this window.
Don't have that Aegis anymore.
Something to consider if you get pulled in deep into the base.
Got a glyph out of him, 33 says I'm not done yet.
Glints her back.
He will keep this going until Spirit gets some sort of response.
Rache is going in straight for Rhaedon. He has to force staff himself away.
So instead it's going to be Rue the target. Toss back into 33.
Dustman's to get off of Pierce to bail, but still overwhelmed by the magic damage.
Tundra resetting now. Got a pick. Leave it at that.
Don't want to give them a good ask mark on the retreat always have to watch these X's when the BKBs are down especially
Continuing state four versus five speaking and they have to be used here. This will play change that up cost up in the air
Do you know by a lot you'll come in with the hard poons and guarantee the toss chain stun now?
The Gleitner gets grab on 33 easily read the leaves himself of that one and locks away
Tundra one lane of barracks back to the melee that they never finished off earlier
Even though they're rolling thundering in 2 seconds because of this off 3 arcane.
They're desperate to try and find any sort of pick off here while the Glinks is dead.
They're pushing out all the way into the fountain if necessary, but the deadshot is going to push 33 a little bit deep.
He still has to borrow time. Just slow it down.
Finch don't care about anything.
He can't stop them.
And now they're going to go to top lane with the mages.
They have to do something, but without the Glinks it seems impossible to do the damage required to stop Tundra.
Even a single hero kill. It's just an impossibility. Again, they tie away pushing 33 right where 33 wants to be.
On top of heroes, Harpoon's back. He's got a deep chasing after him then. Things better up.
He says, okay, the boat's coming in. Let's just get the magas. We got that first.
Now the Harpoon toss up in the air, onto collapse.
And he just really does not do enough damage back to them. No threat whatsoever
They're gonna have to play against megas for the rest of this game to 33 push in again, but he has borrowed time
Even if they could get him it's a borrowed time blink
It's it's just so dependent on radon for damage in this game
Despite the attempts to whittle them in these team fights just not enough
The Mort does kind of your only other damage source and Ruga killed instantly in that fight as well
Yeah, it's not like he's building for much damage either. He's gonna go nagging him scepter next
But the socks is gonna have more damage than you in a minute tight broach
They have all five of the highest hero levels. They are cruising in this game now level 25 on the tiny
Level 25 for the pango also here that rolling thunder is very low cooldown. I mean you think just
I'm looking at this Pirate Cloak and I'm just thinking, what is Radon do?
Tunger just opted to take multiple of those.
He just clicked it on the clink.
Repix his hero.
Yeah, that might be the only option here.
As Maposhka doesn't quite die, try to give him a little bit of Grog Blossom there.
Make sure he survives.
And Radon, he's out deep and he's spotted.
BKB TP out and desperate the 33 doesn't get there in time which he does not the
Abyssal Blade would have been the end of the game perhaps
Overthun survives and it's just hoping to get his Revenants broach and somehow
that'll change the game I guess is the idea big damage upgrade I just I still
still think it's enough here now. I mean, he might be enough for one hero. You're gonna need one hell
of a teamfight here, especially with BGD on cooldown for the clinks. You're smoking out like this,
creeps are hitting your base. You can't even leave the base. Just a Hail Mary smoke.
Strength blink. Done for 33 to cap out this inventory. And we'll give another Aegis to
The Dorachio, Banner, Cheese, DKB in the backpack.
You're going to be combating like three rolling thunders in the next fight.
Because he's got a refresher shard and he's got the cooldown from the 25 town.
You're also going to have to get through
two lives on the Abaddon, two on the Tiny.
That's 16,000 HP in itself.
Yeah, like, good luck, dude.
I don't know.
Just add up the effect of HP of these dire heroes
and just look at the clicks of this damage and just be like it's not it's not possible right it's not but
Radon is gonna try and prove it's not over to get his pick off on the tiny
question is is he gonna stay alive four staff trying to get away from DCM and another four staff to be able to get up there
But Dorachu is back in a play and a tier four is dead
Refresh roll up and DCM is ready to go with another rolling thunder well another tier four is about to fall 33
Look at him make his mark with yet another borrowed time push forward
Torn up in the air, the damage just being shrugged off here.
Radon, ready to go with another pretty barrage, but with tier 4 is now gone, throwing exposed,
tossing collapse away, just hit the back line, hit the throw, quietly the clip is going
to have to be used.
Radon throwing damage after damage, arrow, arrow, add to Durantio, but Durantio just
ignores it all, harpoons him, and one swipe to take off his head, Tundra will
even out the series. What a comeback game from them. They looked like they were about to crumble
in that early game. They were losing three lanes. The top lane was extremely bad for Doracio.
One of the rougher games he's had at the tournament. I have no doubt that game was probably
barely stressful for that safe lane duo between Whitemon and Doracio. But I feel like we
said it throughout this game and it has to be said again 33 just put this game on his
back as much as we're done carrying game one he carried that game to said I will
late against you I will solo kill you I will solo kill your support I will take
your power I will have a well-minutered you will fight me you will lose and then
I will take everything from you and then I will go to game three tied 1-1
because I'm 33 and I do not care about how good you are because I'm better
it's just a fantastic show that we're getting a best at five between perhaps
The best carry to touch the game versus perhaps the best off laner to touch the game
They're leaning against each other. They're showing that they can carry games against each other
Oh, yeah, they showcased it in this game one and two
But it is a full best of five and there are still other four players on both sides to talk about and I'm sure
Our panel is gonna have a lot to say about those players and their impact on this game too
because it is a team effort, team spirit, and tundra,
certainly showing that they can go pound for pound against each other.
It is a team effort, Cap. You're absolutely right.
And this was not really, though,
because 33 was just taking the team on his back
and carrying them through where, at the other side,
I feel, I actually feel like we should start talking about
the favorite carry player on the least favorite carry hero
in the cling-spire.
Yeah, it's a bit strange of like a vision for the game
It seems like team spirit might have overcooked in this one. You have the bristle goose knot which is this a we minus armor and in theory
It's like oh you have kanka tide bringer. That's physical damage clink says
Historically been a physical damage carry, but he goes revenants brooch into me owner. So there's almost none
physical damage coming out and
33 on the badden had all the items went for really good items that a soul cure ass absolutely loved it
Buff with the Tiny made his whole team hard to kill against his AOE physical, just definitely
underwhelming. He was killing the Tiny in some fights, but you know the unfortunate reality
is that Tiny wasn't even necessary in fights. 33 just put that game entirely on his back
and carried it. Like I just find 33 to be such an impressive guy in general. He puts
this team together, he captains the team, you know, he'll he doesn't have to be,
You forget that he's able to literally just 1v5.
Like he's that good because when we talk about best players of all time or best offlaners
of all time, I remember we had this conversation where we're like, do we put 33 into captain's
category or in the offlaners category?
With this game, he's proving to us again, you also have to put him in the offlaners
category in terms of skill.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he did incredibly.
Like when it looked very grim for Tundra, like about 12 minute radiance into like
smoking to him and setting him up to just get a few key kills really led to the game or the tides turning around and
What I love about 33 especially is that we've seen him play so many different styles on off lane
But on a badden especially in this tournament. He was content to just go like blink orchid or like blink holy lock it and eggs
We used him go full defensive before on a badden for what Doratio needs this time around
He sees that he's struggling a little bit. He says I can do the damage
I had a good lane just play around me, and that's exactly what Tundra did
It took the fight to their about and they played off of his how exceptional he was in long fights and they cooked
Even when emulation talent at level 20, I've literally never seen this thing get picked up in a pro match
It's just because it's only active during your borrowed time. Hey, well you also
There's not a lot of players that get to play about because he's banned most of the time
Like almost all the time.
Yeah, this is something where as
When you think about pubs these heroes are just going to get played a lot
But in professional the OP heroes are overall first picks
So they're never in a good game because theoretically if it's in a good game and it's OP it's just going to win
I think that only was that one of the first abadons we've seen in a while
But that was an eighth overall pick abaddon
And I wanted to shout out the fact that both of these teams have had so much success with like these niche heroes
That have like earned first-round bands that previously were not worth banning its other teams
against other teams. And when you have Tiny being first overall picked a hero that we
hadn't even seen in seven days, and then a bad and the most bad hero of the tournament
getting eighth overall picked, it just kind of speaks it like there's going to be an interesting
meta developing in the Special 5.
Especially since the Kunkka and the Klinks got out of the way.
I didn't have faith and I want to commend Team Spirit actually for busting out something
new like that. I love the idea of giving Laurel an uncountable hero in a phase where
he can easily be countered so that Radon can get his overall louspic. And they're
draft looked pretty solid on the leading stage like they were snowballing pretty hard but as the game
progressed we saw the draft weaknesses like they didn't really have mobility they didn't have stuns
so what Tundra ended up doing was every time the long fights were played out they just engaged
they were like leaping away swash buckling away blinking away and team spirit we're just kind
of standing there like uh will you really come back trying to hit you like links is a turret
you gotta find around the turret that's when they're going and on top of that they had like
like the weaver bugs and these really long fights, but we're making it so that like swashbuckles
were doing so much damage. One tiny tree was doing so much damage.
Yeah, a lot of fun scenarios in this game, new heroes, and heroes change all the time,
but there's one thing that does not change, it never changes. Vision is always important,
isn't that right for you?
Indeed it is. Especially if you want to win team fights, you need vision to do
so. Especially when you have mobility heroes. So in this fight here, we will see it's
pretty long drawn out fight, but heroes like Weaver, heroes like the Pango, they retreat back
to their vision here, and this gives them the ability to see everything that's going on in this fight.
Whether they need the back, whether they can advance, they can really just take the pick,
and they did a good job just playing around that high ground ward, making sure that
whenever they went in to initiate, they knew exactly what was going on here,
and when they could finally go for the kill shot here, they do it with 33 leading the charge
in this particular game. And this fight went on for quite some time here, but they all played
around this ward going back and forth with these heroes. Even the badden had a blinkdagger,
pango is swashing backwards, moron is leaping back, just all playing around that vision
to get the win there. And that was your Kdea ward of the game. Always curious to see how
best of five develops is very different from best of threes. And you mentioned it early,
Brian, it's interesting to see where this is going to go. Where do you think it's going
going to go because this was already very different from game one.
I think it's going to go back to the more standard for Team Spirit.
I think that not only if you're picking the off meta heroes,
but you're also leaving the OP heroes in the game.
I think that's just a bit too disrespectful to the meta.
I think you have to obey the laws of the meta a little bit more than that, at least.
Yeah, we had them pick up the Bristleback first this time around Jenkins.
I'm not sure if that's a great first pick, because there's a lot of good stuff that was in the pool about it.
We saw the Abaddon, which worked out quite nicely.
Maybe we could have seen something that was better at actually countering Tiny, if you're going to leave it in,
because I don't feel like Bristol did anything.
And Jekiro.
Jekiro was in there, like if you want to get a hero, which is OP,
which also just doesn't reveal anything because it's a support that's always going to kind of do the same thing.
And Warlock.
You can go for that.
Warlock was... you're kidding. Okay, well that's a good hero, that's a 100% win rate for Maposhka, right?
So, a little, yeah, a little surprising, but I like that they tried to cook.
Like, this is why I was excited to...
Alright, we get a Team Sphere at Grand Finals. It's been a while. Like, it's exciting.
It is exciting and it's gonna continue being exciting as we move to game number three of this Best of Five Grand Finals.
Waking up, playing some Dota, it's just been part of my life for 20 years and I don't think
that's going to change anytime soon.
Where we are in the history of this game and where it's come from and how much it's been
accomplished, I think compared to all basically any other esport it's the best.
I'm grateful for Dota 2 as a game because Dota as a culture supersedes where we come
from.
You are a Dota player first and I love that.
It's guys a monster. It's working!
Bush it here, so it's probably lower bracket.
GaiFes, Red King PA, Viper, he's dead.
Versus Anti-Mage Chaos Knight.
CK with Anti-Mage on the gas.
I'm gonna throw a kill-stranny queen.
No, don't let us finish the round yet.
What? I'm gonna pin you.
So, yeah, Malus, I'll kill you with the homie-urentata.
Temris went and killed all the heroes.
He don't even use his BKB, you know, like he just blows up, smashes botos.
I think BAB is going to be big, and this Tian Lu is never going to be silent.
And then he's going to beat everyone to death.
This guy is a monster.
I don't think this guy gets away with that in Immortal.
I think he will give up on himself, and the other guy won't give up on himself.
But he won't walk away.
Letting me in Legion.
It's kind of prolly legend.
I would say Ancient Break it.
The word in Legion is, it's Arrow.
It's a legend, like if you use Arrow, no way he goes like BKB.
12A
What?
Because 12A...
...is the same as the other one
I'll go for Legends
I'll go for Aircon
Oh no!
I killed you!
I know it
No way
No way the Harrods are that good nowadays
Yeah, I'll go for that
I don't know, 4040 Warlock
He switched it a lot
And then you know the fights
I mean, the guy has Glimmer, Cave, Charm, Sensor, Locust
I feel like this guy is like, hiring
Okay, the...
...first-power user is kind of bad
It's nice seeing Mardons actually very good, and he has zero deaths.
He don't even micro his golly, like, he was not even lucky, and the golly is like a real baby then.
I feel like this number is probably going to be overrated, but suddenly Lina won the team, and bought the game, and then...
This guy is bad, but look his build, he did like the perfect meta build, right?
I think this is a higher margin, where the dire ping is griffing.
I don't know exactly what happened to this team.
You know, most of us normally pick sub4.
Yeah, like that, some of them can't push it, so I'm talking.
No way people pick up what I'm testing, which is not very good.
The picks are too good. I would go like Divide or Immortals.
But man, it's 35 minutes and he has 8 drones charged.
Oh, that's true.
The Infant issues.
Imagine me Divide.
He's Divide, I see.
Ancient.
I'll go for Divide.
I'll go for Divide.
Okay, so that's how you do it.
I'll go for Divide, I'll go for Divide.
I'll go for Divide, I'll go for Divide, I'll go for Divide.
I'll go for Ancient.
Divide.
Why then?
Bro, you are so bad at this game!
I mean, the guy is good at it, but can you do it?
He's smurfing! He's smurfing, though.
It's more like a monster.
That's it from us, and we'll see you again next time.
We got ourselves 100, and it's 1-1.
So, perfectly balanced!
For now, we'll see which of the two teams will get themselves on match point here in this best of five
as we're heading into the draft for game number three, joined by Jenkins, Effie, B.S.J., and Fear, a full house!
And, Fear, I want to know what do you want to see in this game 3, because we've just had a pretty unorthodox draft coming out for game 2.
I want to see OD.
No, no.
Dude, Pappinus and Jere perfectly fine as it was, bro.
Okay, so what do I want to see as adjustments?
Yeah.
Well, I think we tried the clinks.
It didn't look that great, to be honest with you.
It just feels like for what the hero is supposed to do, it doesn't even do a good job at it.
It's supposed to be overwhelming damage and it didn't seem to do that much damage even with pretty good farms
I was overwhelmed by how little damage it did
Well in that case it was overwhelming, yes, for your brain
But either way this hero not so great the conca
It was okay, but like still same thing that this hero is tanky
But what else does he bring to the team fights? I'm not entirely sure they tried something new it didn't work
I think just go back to the drawing board. I think for a team spirit
Like they should really just put a high priority on getting the push got a team fighting five because when the push who gets his
Jikiro's and his warlocks and his wyverns and his phoenix's he does so much for the team and in this patch
You have to be geared up to always be ready to take five on five fights because there are more objectives
And they can happen at any point when he's on a bounty hunter. It just doesn't do the same thing. I'm
Curious why they gave mag what's the answer? I mean
Spirit should be the team, technically, that understands Magnus better than any.
Yeah, we're seeing this hero get like a level per minute when he's playing at carry with the new camp formation behind the safe lane.
Magnus is one of the best heroes at Cap Lies on it. I was watching Drachio's replay from yesterday this morning and he's insanely efficient.
Starting at six minutes he was stacking his own ancients and then moving back to lane and then he hit an eight minute mask of madness and cleared a triple stack of ancients.
Just the acceleration that this hero provides is something that can't be underestimated or, like, ignored by the enemy team.
I think it's very difficult to actually contest these camps, so I'm wondering what the approach is going to be coming up from Team Spirit.
Because the mag that was free farming was against the Darkseer, a hero that kind of just trades farm and goes into its own jungle, respectively.
And I don't think that type of playstyle is ever going to work against mag. He'll just get more.
And I wonder if the Abba works against Mag as a hero as well.
I mean, I understand the fights, of course Abbonon stands in the front and he's not going to die to an RP ever. I get it.
But we've seen Doracio play into this exact hero and it's just fine.
Like he just skewers the guy back, waste the ult, and then eventually RPs are RPs somebody else.
Like it does not seem to be a problem because Magness is more like a pick-off hero than a teamfight hero.
also a temple here because of the camps you mentioned.
It was actually thunder that I saw play Abaddon into Mag at some point and so what they had
was Abaddon P.A. and that's when 33 opted to just play kind of like a supportive Abaddon
where he went Blink into Holy Locket into Ag's like I mentioned before and basically
he just kind of hid, waited for his carry to get skewered and then would Blink in,
shield him and the rest was history.
So maybe Collapse can opt to play more of the supporting Abaddon style.
So that in mind, that's important because if you have Magnus, you don't want to all
in the AoE stuff, because the ag's build from a bad, it's only good if they have a lot of
AoE, right?
So Magnus does that, and maybe in theory in that game, I don't actually know the exact
lineups that were in it.
If the other team was double-downing or triple-downing on AoE to follow up the
RP, then that build you could mission, your mission mirror could absolutely own that.
So I'm gonna now be paying attention to, is there any single target burst coming
out from Tundra that makes that a less feasible game plan.
The Aery just looks so darn good, but you have Magna, you have to get the same thing.
I was going to get the same thing, but just go for it anyway.
Get a Jaquiro, even though you're playing the Avedon, we've seen teams do it before.
Or a Lushrack for either team, and the hero's not been addressed so far.
Yeah, I like either.
Jaquiro could be picked now, Lush could be picked later in the draft, maybe...
Oh well, Lush can play the Lush.
Has he played Lush in this tournament?
I believe he has these ones.
He has them too.
He has, okay.
He has them.
He has them.
They ban out the darks here, leaving the jikiro, and they'll go for the muerta.
Or rather, ruerta.
Is he going to be muerta in every game of the Austrian finals?
Is he going to be the beer dota of Dream League Season 26?
That's what happened to me.
Because you played Jiro in every game of your D-I-1.
He played Wii for the Game 1, so that's what it's possible.
We looked it up.
Oh, okay. If you looked it up, I can't really argue with that.
Wait, did you actually not, though?
I only played Gyrone the Grand Finals in a single game other than that.
That's what we said during the Grand Finals.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. During Grand Finals, that's correct, yes.
Phew, I was like, you are right on that.
I mean, I absolutely trust the guy that was literally there more than Google, but...
I don't even trust myself or Google. Google never lies.
Fair, fair.
They have to be willing to pick some kind of combo break on Maposhka with Teamfight.
Like Wyvern or Phoenix because if they're unwilling to do that and they prioritize Muerta for Rue over Jakiro from Imposhka
And there's like no backup plan of a five that team fights
I already think the team steered straff looks weaker because you look at this weaver plus Jakiro the flex is open with the weaver mag
Jakiro is just gonna secure any lane and we've seen how impactful sox is weaver can be if they do flex it to floor
Take the rubik and destroy the game yourself
That'd be a pretty sick pick actually
But it's unreliable.
It's such a good Rupik game, actually.
What a bait.
The Kuchi, Icepath, and RP are like the three of the best balls in the entire game.
You can't even skewer.
Like, any of Mag's abilities are nasty.
Okay, that's like, B tier at best compared to the Rupik ones.
Nah, dude, blink skewer with an extra range.
Everyone likes pulling people to the tower.
I tell you, Rupik players are going to tell you, it's even good against Shaker.
Did I pick the Rupik?
It makes so much sense.
Yeah.
your fear we're not wasting everybody's time agreed thank you what are we thinking
about the the shaker coming out at this point in the draw really shaking it up
here and Laurel is good on this hero or he wins with this and then right he lost
with the last game just kidding he's had some shaky shaker very shaky game
yeah I'm intended well done well done but I think they just want to pick a
solid mid here like I mentioned for Laurel because when the team spirit or a
second pick they save the overall list pick for you tomorrow every single time
And they kind of shaft oral in that sense. That's why we stalked clunker
That's why we see wind ranger come out a few times
I think you can easily exploit this there shaker by huskar by sniper by viper
There are so many heroes that can be picked invoker they baited I feel like this is a really good invoker game
You have the setup for mag you have the like decent match spirit has one more pick guys. That's what about rubik
I
Think that's a great idea
Disgusting that because we already know what's what's coming here. I mean the thing is they have 13 seconds of reserve time
And they go bang what that is that what I that's my mirror for sure
So, okay, why?
it's just gonna like insta fiend grip Magnus if he goes in it's like the combo break but
Honestly, I don't like it that much. I think they're doing a little bit too much with
experimentation and not enough team fight security. Like if Urshik is your only team
fight so far and the enemy team has Magnus, Dekiro, and the Weaver bugs, you're in danger.
I mean the only positive I could give outside of dealing with Mag is maybe they, this is
a hero that historically is good versus Weaver on lane. Maybe he wants to try and like
bully the Weaver in the laning stage. Outside of that, yeah, there's a lot of
things I can cancel and grip in this game. You have a tornado now, ice path is
It's pretty long range, skewers, RPs, it's not gonna be easy.
It's the easiest break in the game, yeah.
So, but Mpochka is a good Bane,
and maybe the idea here is to just secure Radon's lane
and have him do the rest.
And we saw in game number one, Radon can do that,
granted he gets the right hero to do so.
And game two, it was pretty evident
he did not have to write hero to do so.
So I would like to see a switch up on that regard.
The Bane, I was looking at his changes,
He did receive the universal change, which just means that you get less damage from stats.
His overall damage per level gain is much lower, it went from 5.7 to 3.6 or 2 per level,
but he starts with 8 more.
So I think it has to be about the laning phase, as you were mentioning.
They obviously want to give Yotaro the setup for the good game.
They do have decent T5 with the shaker.
They have the Abaddon who's going to buff up the rest of his team, could go the utility
build.
Either way he's going to be dishing out some shields, but these lack of stunning
offlaners.
loved or hated playing them against Invoker, and BZM, what was it, 5-0 for your stats?
Yeah.
For Invoker coming into this series, so it's really hard to bet against that, to be honest.
Maybe I'm just not seeing the Bane vision, but I feel like there's so many ways to cancel
a Grip. Even if his landing is strong versus Weaver, Weaver will find his impact on the
map regardless. That's why the hero feels like such a nuisance right now. And how
How do Team Spirit approach these fights?
Like, I feel like maybe potential in Nightmare and to Deadshot is like an early game roaming
deal, but outside of that I feel like Hunter just have free reign.
How do you solve this with Elastic Carry if you're a Team Spirit?
That's the question.
It's like Ursa or something.
You need one of these heroes that just does lots of damage.
I think Morpho is also very good, but they banned that.
What about PA?
Yeah, he is good. I think you want a mobility-based carry here because whenever you play versus Invoker in particular, it's very annoying to get stuck in an ice wall.
I don't think they'll do it, but Facebook's void carry could correct further lack of team fighting, and it's pretty solid in a lot of hero-to-hero matchups.
I would have liked the Morphling too, actually.
Why? It's banned.
Carry on. Sorry, that was rude to you.
Just the fact that you can turn into the weaver and keep the same stats, like the matchups are different now.
It was good against weaver before, but that's a good ban from pundra.
What would something make a good nature of profit game considering that's still in?
We saw that as overall last in the first game, and it worked out.
Good. I mean, it wasn't really an amazing nature's profit game when you picked it, but the hero itself, if you can get ahead,
We'll always be like one or two items up on the next enemy, so you can have that performance. It works. Yeah, I mean I honestly
I
Think we're done is looking at Erisa probably though. He does like this hero
Very hard for very good against mag and a carry to carry matchup
You can burst invoker. Weaver also dies in one bash
The possibility but he will get to see
Exactly where everything is going to go because most likely the 33 hero is left
And what does 33 want to play? I guess we didn't mention that at all.
Oh, he has a couple here who's already banned out for him, of course.
Something like the stanky, just a point clicks down, I think.
What if you just play Gyro in Team Spirit?
Because you're really lacking in Team Fight.
You need any kind of Team Fight oomph to come out of Yatora's pick.
I like playing Mag into Gyro just because he sits there and mans up against you
and it's the easiest you were back in the world.
That's that's but I agree. It does correct for a lot of problems that they have so I like the Ursa pick a lot
It's gonna have a little bit of a weird lane, but
Yeah, Yachtro has been owning with it. It's not the best versus Invoker, but it's amazing. It's everything else
Does Clark do enough damage?
It's kind of the problem with Clark compared to
Ursa is that Ursa burst you while Slark does it over time and Invoker depthing blast is actually really annoying
Because you can't just know it and there's ground targeted stuff. Yeah, I'm sure as well
It was a little bit of Slark anyway.
It does scale harder.
Like the mid game is going to be much weaker
and Mira mentioned like the lack of team fight presence from the rest of the lineup.
So I thought like the Ursa would allow them to play for more quick plays
but the Slark still does the same thing.
He plays the vision game, has the full night vision.
It's going to be absolutely essential to be paying attention to the night and day cycles
because Spirit, they're all about the way they approach team fights
and that's the best thing that I think Slark offers in competitive Dota
is that nighttime advantage.
I don't necessarily think he offers the same thing as Ursa though
Because at least if you had an Ursa you're fighting for tormentors. You're trading Roshan through getting Aegis Spark
Doesn't give you an objective taking really. Yeah, I have no objective taking they have very minimal team fight
It looks like they could easily get run over this game quite scared about this draft
But yeah, we're going to get pretty grim picture here for Teen Spirit
Perhaps SVG and Cap can shine some light on their game plan and how they're gonna win this one
Hey
What bane that was that good yes, hey, what a weird thing to do why you doing that what what's going on with you
What you're doing a weird thing?
You were a leprechaun yesterday, man
Just say whatever I wanted like said I'm actually interested. Why do you think Bane's good?
I paid a picture for you. Okay. Let's go back a few years
Hi, ten where it's a small up-and-coming team one a certain ti with a certain five player who might have
Broken the meadow with a certain Magnus-Bane combination, now he picks the
Bane against the Magnus because he's grown, he's matured, he's aged like high in wine.
Production's telling me I need to hurry this monologue up so I will finish it quickly.
It's Mapochka, trust in him, believe in him.
We're believing in Mapochka, but let's see if the Bane will be successful here on the big screen.
As we're heading over to game number three via the Pochampan, does.
To the greatest show on Earth, it is of course a Dota 2 finals, automatically one of the best shows on Earth, but we also have the BZM Invoker is back into play, Avery. No mention of that, he's still back, Spirit, despite the ever hyped up BZM Invoker.
No, I like Tundra Shrapnel.
Oh, okay.
And his Invoker has actually really been cooking people this tournament.
I just kind of respect spirits creativity and their willingness to go outside the box and pick stuff that
even if it undermines maybe a little of the
fundamentals of a draft gives you a cool edge in the
unexpectedness and the direct spell interaction because this main is a very unique hero
You can do some very unique things that can sometimes win you teamfights because people are just not ready for and it is a very good
Match up versus the weaver to me
This is a direct counter pick to the weaver what he wants to do it not only in the laning phase
But in the teamfights sleep is deadly for this hero
You help fight him on the lane you catch him in the fights
You stop the in and out type gameplay pretty good hero vs.
Bristleback and a lot of 33-0 if you don't get summoned and it can be good versus the mag with the instant group of the blinkers
Yeah, that's the biggest thing for me that I saw out of that vein is when you said, you know
You were gonna paint a picture. I immediately thought of Dorachio of all players
Hmm trying to go in too deep with the mag right blank harpoons fewer somebody back
And he gets fiend script yep, right? He's already in deep and then he gets fiend script
That's an extra like 600 distance
How is the jikiro gonna be able to get to that position to stop that fiend script?
And even if you stop it sometimes the damage is done
You might only need two or three seconds there the star gets to beat into somebody. I also think
Having saves when you play these single target backline supports heroes like Bane shadow shaman rubik
really love saves on their teams because they just want to survive in the fight and get spells off and their spells are really powerful
But a lot of times they get jumped first and you see the weakness of these kind of heroes
They have a bad to bail you out. They have the
Shard on the Slark to bail you out. Yep. Yeah, you have a calling that you have to jump into right
You have shaker fissure that can block some heroes off. It's not the easiest game for thunder to go in super deep in the fights
However, if they do get to the big game in a similar position like last time where these cores are just gonna start to tank up right to
3,000 HP Magnus, the 2,500 HP Bristle with Halberd,
this invoker that you're not gonna be able to initiate on.
That teamfight looks really scary.
Yeah, and I guess that's my biggest issues.
Do they need to go out there? First one's on the table and they will take it, Soxa.
They'll fall to Redawn here at the bottom lane.
He's gonna build some more stacks here.
He is. Those stacks are building up both ways.
He is taking a lot of damage from those Quills.
He has five stacks of his Quillspray on him.
Still got DPS into 33 and you win the first blood as well.
He does not respect the Quills here.
Seriously.
You're just going to have to let this CS go, I think.
Nice gold injection though.
They can buy some extra regen down here.
And yeah, it's boots plus tangos coming out for Rodan early.
That's that Bane Weaver matchup.
Really hard to play the level 2 and 3.
You should get caught too easily and you can't 1v1 trade versus him.
So you have to play the lane in the 2 on 2,
too but the sleep really messes with you. Another flash farmer for Doracio by the way,
we've seen him play a lot of these cleave heroes and there's two more bugs that we've cleaned up here.
Yeah I think that's a bit of the problem. It's Doracio so he's going to be aggressive
but he doesn't have to be in this game, right? Like we have to see Red Fasted on 33. We have
this new Mag Fasted which is just, it just makes it so this hero can just farm like a machine.
I feel like they don't have to get too aggro with it, they can just kind of farm and get to, as you said, that mid-game position where they have three different cores that are all too tanky for Team Spirit.
I don't think your game plan is ever super aggro when you have mid-exaurant Voker either.
Sure.
It feels generally pretty slow, we did see them...
I stepped shot top lane, easy kill on the white mon, and a bit of damage on D'Ranchu as well.
And of course, beard are the ones who took this Abaddon first, which generally is hero strong in the early game.
I think Tundra are more just in...
Let's go even in the lane phase, let's hit the 15-20 minute mark when the Midas is starting to cook for the Invoker.
33 gets his stacks, he's starting to scale up. There's a lot of scale in this lane, especially with the scene right on the bristle instead of the goo.
If you're not as worried about the Abaddon with the Disbells or things like this, you're gonna have three carries in this lane.
And then you have a Weaver Jikiro behind it.
Insane amount of scaling damage.
I just feel like one thing that was really lacking in spirit was the scaling of their 2 and 3 positions in this last game, right?
Oh, correct.
Radiant's claim has been killed.
Nice pick, and we'll also deal with the ward.
He is going to be caught midway through his Shikuchi, which usually needs a kill.
There's just a lot of damage now.
At best, maybe we're done?
Oh, that's the strike key!
He was not expecting that one.
And now Moposhka, he might die for it as well as the Quills are adding up.
He tries to block them out with a tree.
33 slips on by 2 for 1 in the bottom lane. They were just too low to take that fight to begin with not enough regen ferried out
Get another kill for the Slark. He gets an agi stack, but you feel a Sunstrike kill the BZM
Who collects 300 gold off that 120 XP? Super happy with that exchange
Anytime you can get these extra kills into Invoker's pocket that speeds up your game a lot
Also slows down the game for an item. Pretty far forwards here
It tried to put some pressure on BCM, but the TP came in from the weaver as a result. He almost dies instead
They turn around kill the weaver
It's tough as collapse also puts white morn down
Back at fourth early game
Spirit getting more out of the kills and it's another game. This a bad news
Doing some work in the laning phase. This is where this heroes should strike and strike hard
Yeah, and I don't think we've seen a skewerback possibility for Doracio yet.
Also, you have to think about the ganks going in the mid here.
If I'm playing versus Voker, I want to kill this hero at least two to three times in the first 15 minutes.
Ideally two before ten.
Ruin by the Forge Spirit.
Nice little scouting.
Because this is also an easy setup, particularly during night bane with extra night vision.
You have Slark with extra night vision.
These nighttime intervals for Spirit are going to be huge.
huge and one of the strengths of being is you can just run around the map and set
stuff up during night because do it a lot better than most other supports you
out-fight a lot of other supports and white mon gonna go down for a third time
well start for him honestly a lot of gold into collapse his pocket level five
yeah from game one we did see one of things that Team Spirit really abused
was the support duo on the side of Tundra.
That's why we're gonna slow the game down.
Remove levels from the enemy supports.
Way harder to make plays.
Can't get the ganks going, you can't make gate rotations.
Not gonna contest Wisdom Shrine, there's a skewer back.
But is it even good for Dorachia Rue is here and it's a 1v2,
so he backs away, a little damage done and that's it.
Opposed to high enough, maybe Wisdom Shrine can test?
Yeah, I love the idea of blocking out the ancient stacks.
Hunter has been utilizing stacks really, really well throughout this playoffs, and uh...
Not gonna be bold enough to go for it.
Yeah, I mean, there's no way you can, right?
Do you have the sleepwalking facet?
Maybe you could sleepwalk him out of the wisdom shrine, but...
Yeah, I guess that's true.
With this facet, no way to...
You'll just be both sitting on the shrine and eventually 33 will come back and kill you.
The upside is 33, he wasn't able to create a lot of solo pressure on Rodan this game compared to the last one
He's just being a little more greedy farming up in his own
Which means Rodan does get a pretty nice six here on the Slark. He's pretty strong. Now. He's kind of untouchable
He's having a pretty smooth game. We'll go the mage slayer build up
But Midas already done for the invoker benefit of the slendish right kill he got and no ganks going into him
one and zero start
Invoker dream right there
Doesn't even have to buy anything. This is great Midas
A little bit faster than his previous timings, good sign.
Flaps, pushing forward in the top lane.
Voker's gonna join in here.
Now it is a level 6 about it.
So he can level up his borrowed time when he feels like he needs to,
and he does have some support behind him.
Rue, oh, threatening the RP, but a dead shot catches him instead.
Tornado does not land.
Rue will get away.
That's a good rotation to force out here.
The expensive one from the invoker who doesn't have boots, so he has to walk all the way back to mid here
Socks will clean up some waves happy about that one for himself. And now that the TP is on cooldown. You can go back in. Yeah, exactly
They're gonna try just that nice dead shot push it back in now. The skewer goes out clops isn't care
He can very easily dive the tower to from a post gun can catch up here
Don't get two kills. This is just super good gameplay from spirit force the rotation with the invoker
invoker take the walk of shame and
And then just head straight back in again these nighttime
Fights are just so nice for the bane and the sword even in the early game and boots already done on the bane. This bane is having
great
Yeah, even better being a part of these kills. He'll have level six pretty quickly here. He's half a level off
You're an early group up here. Kill somebody with it
Start that snowball attack and it's gonna continue lurking up here
Maybe Spirit want to go back in on Dorachio again.
Still in that borrowed time.
Yeah, in part because DCM doesn't have a TP anymore.
He's one of my, he's Invoker.
Supposed to TP to help me.
I'll tell you where to help.
33 is just going to be doing ancients.
He's a scene rug bristle.
Exactly.
Can't rely on him to help.
So this is the point of attack right now in the game.
Spirit going.
Radon, extra night vision.
They are planning this out.
Let's start their assault.
The TP's gonna come in from Soxa
But it really doesn't look like a situation that is fightable at all
400 RP, gonna be attempted
Doratu's gonna try and make a run for it with the skewer
But he gets hit once by collapse and one hit is all it takes
Just such a strong pressure point right now
Well, you're not getting out that direction
Radon with the pounce up
If you land to dive, wipe my arm
You should be able to get a second kill out of this one
Stacks beginning to build up
Sunstrike misses as well. That's your invoker contribution.
Spirit just warming this top lane.
And I like that, yeah. Take the fight to the Flash Farmer in the Magnus.
You have to pick, you have to get your poison.
There's three carries in this game. You can only shut down so many of them.
Yeah, 33's getting a lot, but you really are slowing down Doracio again,
which was a big reason for the success game. One has larges.
You can't afford to be doing something like that, giving up the kill.
Oh, and he got the Sun Strike too!
Oh, BGM heating up here, 3 and 0 Star for the Smoker, level 10 and a half almost already.
Look at the pressure he's putting on mid.
Gives an Alacrity to the Siege Creep, double Siege Waggons to tank the tower.
And Koshgir gets scanned in the tree line.
Yeah, he's not getting the initiation he was hoping for here.
Alacrity Catapult does so much damage here.
Oh my...
He just shrunk that tower.
Oh, and he tried to get the Denyce, but then the Koshgir gets the last hit instead.
What are the equates for easy yet? Seriously top net worth 6k now. Solo kills enemy mid, Sunstrike support top
basically takes this mid tower down solo
forces
Double TP reaction scans them
It gets the last hit on tower
Well, that's boots of travel so
He will be able to join in
He's so these rotations from spirit. He is so rich now spirit miss their window to shut this guy down
early now you're gonna have to play against the map control invoker that's
having a great game they do a grip available yeah we're looking for the
bristle this is a big committal of a move I mean it's a catch the bristle the
invoker and weaver are not too far away he went back to base because he ran out
of mana heroes are gonna show on the bottom lane probably just gonna say okay
Okay, we have to take the Weaver kill if we can get it. Hit the pounce, time lapse, it's available here, doesn't pop it right away, no sentry thrown down, they're just going to take the tower.
Big miss for Spirit, that was a heavy committal. Three heroes and a smoke, you cross the entire map.
Do you get a tower for it? So at least some objective was on the menu.
You really would have liked to connect with that grip there on somebody.
Very even game. The trade-off basically is when you slow down the Magnus' progression.
The Invoker got the benefit of that. At the same time, where Don had a mostly free lane
bottom. This Larka is still very farm. Early Mage Slayer can do a lot of work in this
game too, versus the Bristleback, versus the Invoker, if Rodan can get in there in
the middle of the fight and survive.
Magnum Scepter is coming out for 33.
A Pochka finally reveals himself to sleep and they're going to back away Tundra
They're gonna maybe push into this teams here to brought heroes for the fight
Relotus is gonna be grabbed by Soxa that's gonna feel pretty good. They are protecting the safe lane tower for tormentor
I don't think Tundra are gonna be able to get it down
But aggressive smoke they have blink on the shaker again
You want to use the grip here when he used the ultimates and ideally find this Bristol back who?
finish the aggs and it's just clearing through so many of these agents but they
will play discipline they will smoke for objectives they will go behind this tier
one mid look at the invoker he's not wanting to show in lane despite the
lane pushing into this tower he just lets the forge spirits hold it and as a
result dodges this no gank missing everybody again
The push is gonna see Dorachio here.
I mean, this is gonna be real rough for spirit.
They're running through smokes.
They're running through plays at this point in time.
And Tantra is about to get to the point where they are willing to take fights.
All they need is some levels on their support to wipe out.
It's still not level six.
I actually think they would take a fight right now if it was forced.
I just don't think they need to.
Yeah.
Agreed.
You're getting a lot off the map, and Laurel's getting nothing.
You go to this blink rush on the shaker, lose your tier one early.
You're not really getting power runes to play around, you're not getting the early fighting
you want on this hero, you fall behind.
It's a pressure on spirit to find something right now, or just man uptake tormentor
at exactly 15.
Just gotta be aggressive around these objectives.
If Tundra gonna dodge you, take stuff off the map.
attempt almost got collapsed to actually use his ultimate but he is still holding
off on leveling it you can get gibbed by this
Sunstrike exciting to consider in this game same for the bane we ever see
grips in this game you can just Sunstrike this bane if he's two-thirds or eight
HP or whatever he just dies yeah time to rise the one take the tormenter
But this is really bad for Spirit, not the kind of objective you want it to give up here.
You couldn't find the fight and you didn't get there first, so now you're just losing
gold on the map, not finding anything with this Shaker Blink.
We'll hit nighttime again, so maybe now you can get a little more aggressive without committing
super heavy smoke plays, which is high enough that these heroes bottom.
I mean, PCM is just reading these moves every single time they're trying to finish him off.
33, make a run for it, get shot, it hits them. They're going into a corner here.
Laurel's gonna be able to hit the two-man stun and chanto them.
Hit to the face, but look at the damage that Laurel takes, man.
The agonim step-door goes off, get shot, hitting the two of them, almost finishing off.
He just needs a little bit more damage, and they finally get it. Yes.
Yes, now they're chasing in for more, leaving Rue behind.
Rue is certainly going to die to this Weaver, but he'll help get the dead shot to finish off.
Colapsus is going to take a lot of damage.
Soxa is going to chase after him.
Oh, the later ice bath timing!
It stops the TP.
Soxa is not going to try and kill him, he's going to pop the time-lapse.
Kite him out, kite him out, wait out the blade mail, and get the final hit in.
It does not even need it.
So much experience for Soxa, he's level 10 and a half now.
They do get the Magnus kill top as well, RP was used to try and save himself, but Throchio
could not escape the clutches of the Slark.
So it's not a bad fight across the map overall for Spirit.
A lot of XP going into Radon, he's level 13 now on this Slark, highest level in the
game.
That was worth a lot.
Radon, Mapostra, Team Criptunes, nice thing.
Yep.
Group him down, wail into him, even got the RP out of it at the end.
Is this a game that like, game two, Clank's just, he's a burst damage hero, they were just
too tanky.
Slark is more fitted to play up against these tanky cores that are going to scale up over
time.
He is for sure.
But can he carry this game?
Yes, I think so.
There is a world where we're not going to carry this game.
True 1v5 giga-chat style.
There's at least a amount of help behind him.
What would you give the chances of Spirit, say, 45 minutes into the game, relatively even
net worth?
I think they're slightly disfavored, maybe 35-40%?
Sure.
The thing is, Slark going late, giving it some vokers is pretty tough.
Guys just all AoE, he's a lot of control, mana burn, ice wall, deafening blast, ghost
walk, like all these spells are hard for Slark to deal with unless he's just completely
snowballing the game.
That's why a pick-off on him would just be so beautiful.
Fisher into the pounce, does manage to get it for them.
But the Agatom scepter was still bought out for BCM, so.
I do think Rodan will have his opportunity
to take this game over.
They picked this start for a reason.
This is a team that is used to playing
the kind of four protect one damage dealer style.
And they have a lot of setup.
The 15th script for this, 33 white bob.
They're gonna try and stop it with the ice pass.
Fisher goes out at go, and that finishes him off.
And now the Bristol back is in an awkward position now.
He's going to get a lot of me.
We did a good dead shot.
That is important control to stop some of the quills
that were coming out.
White mugs, a third kill for Radon.
And you said he'll have the chance to take over the game.
Well, I guess it starts now.
102 temporary agility for the Slark.
We'll use that to take Roche.
Beautiful setups here.
From the Bane, sets that whole sequence up.
And this is where you can cancel that fiend script.
But sometimes it just gets the job done anyway.
Laurel's able to come in, chain stun it up, and then the second you hit 33 with that mage layer, you're not afraid of manning it up on him.
We should also note, this is one of those like reverted in Feebles.
It used to be more about limiting spell capability, but now this is back to attack damage reduction.
Yeah, with a pretty long duration and decent damage.
This is a significant amount of attack reduction on these big right clickers in this game.
You and Feeble, the first one you hit him with mage layer,
What is this guy doing right he has his ice cools and that's about it sure it does feel like though
All it takes is one slip up some spirit right you hit the right RP you cataclysm off of that for sure the team fights
Just automatically done we're done running in getting really aggressive. He's got the ages after all getting information for his team
He's gonna be oh, that's a little awkward RP in the tornado
Yeah, he's gonna pop his ultimate to try to get quills on him
He just pounced himself away. He's got another pounce to get out Tundra waste them abilities there in a bit of a miscommunication
Not the wombo combo you're looking for
He's got some teammates behind it, but there's gonna skewer him back in so when he dies
He's gonna be in pretty deep here now collapse
He's gonna be right on top of all this one try to help him out ice path ice wall
Oh boy here comes that cataclysm
And ohhh! Collapses gone!
Radon! Barely able to dodge the incoming damage.
But he's used up his pounces, he hides away into the trees, not spotted just yet.
Marle popping his Lucio! Trying to get rid of the echo in 2 seconds!
Hit 1 second! No Echo Slam! Here! Radon comes back into play!
Goes after Doracio! He doesn't have too much work with!
He just needs a little bit more damage! The dead shot! It's looked right up by!
It was the death of Doracio, surely!
But instead, they missed out on that kill, and now Radon has to give up on the fight.
up on the fight. Socks that are coming in from behind will help collect the kill under
Rue. Three kills go the way of Tundra. They're helping Dunya. Spirit. They have grip. They
are going to try. This is a bold attack. He's getting close to the ice path, but yeah.
Bolt is putting it one way. Perhaps suicide from Maposhka is another one. They did not
have the damage to finish off 33. And now Radon, well he's going back in. He
goes back in, hits the pounce. There's a lot of stacks right now. 96 Agi. He wants
Let's keep this going, Collapsus gonna transform town,
forward on to keep this going.
He hits, oh, doesn't hit the pounce there.
Activating the Shadow Dance early still,
it's the depth shot again, but Tundra,
they know not to fight into this slur.
I mean, it's rare you see a Slark survive the entire fight
and you get nothing out of it.
Tundra just kiting everything.
If that Echo had come up one second earlier,
I think you can clean up some of those cores.
There were a lot of units around Laurel.
Yeah.
But you're missing the ult.
You didn't have group at the start of that fight.
Didn't have to head to Slam.
Just don't get to use your full team fight capability in Tundra.
No, that was just a beautiful setup with the ice path into two man tornado.
Drop them into me, your cataclysm.
Invoker's dream right there.
It really was.
He is now growing and growing still top network in this game.
Watch that sequence again.
Really important garage got this.
You were off here too before the Slark died with agents
because now you reposition the fight
Or your backline's just gonna decimate him and Laurel couldn't do a lot there
because again you just didn't have the echo up. Yeah.
They're quick smoke from Tundra.
They want to fight during these daytime intervals, they also want to keep using 33s timings.
You will pick up Ghostseptor. So Blade Mail, Ags, Ghostseptor, Essence Ring on this
personal back plus the shard. All these cores on Tundra are very far from
this game and they're getting to that point where they're very tanky as
Well, yeah, you can have essence ring plus the full soul booster on the okra. He's up to 2400 HP
Well posh guy if you stay right there
You might see the rotation coming through gate. Nope tundra. You just wanted to plant a word. That's all
Spirit need to find a way to get this shaker in the game. I think
He's your best team fighter. He's your best source of bursting arrows down controlling them
While the sark hits it outside of that grip, which is not reliable here
Laurel needs a better entry point. These fights, these fights have just been too chaotic, which benefits the Slark, but I think it hurts him a little because he doesn't have a BKB, and so, once he goes in, he's gonna be stuck there. You're gonna get, dude, you're gonna get hit by some invoker spell, some ice path, dual breath, just warmed up.
Radiant Oscar
See both the defensive four-staff being picked up in the further control of the Glitenir on opposing supports
Collapsed with his blink dagger one of none of that a posh guy
Really wants to ratio to come farm this way
Tundra largely just not showing on waves nearly as much as team spirit have been hoping for
Still trying for but a you're fishing pretty deep here
It's not a play that you try and convert on it.
Tundra don't really blink instead.
Their smoke moves to the other side of the map, running into Rue, only getting his courier.
They're just trying to farm with this BKB on the shaker. That's pretty much what's happening right now.
Spirit are willing to concede a lot of farm time to a line-up on Tundra that can certainly farm fast
to get to their next set of fighting items and try and take the next Roshan on the back of it.
Cataclysm did reveal where Rue was at or you cannot afford to lose all right now
Yeah, this would be so bad got him on the ice pad stocks this closing ranks and hits him with the orchid. He's done
You just buys out to finish this kaya Saanj
He's not saving for that PKB. I think about he did not want to buy the Saanj
You see that he's he's got the belt of strength queued up to sell
Well, that was a quick by-miss up there.
I guess so, yeah.
I mean, I agree.
I think you need the BKB.
He needs it right now.
And he needs it as soon as possible, cannot afford to delay.
Oh, these heroes are on wards right now.
Look at this flying spirit through the gate.
Yeah, but they need no time.
They have the vision to be able to see this.
They know this is coming their way.
They've already got the Orc to get on the redone.
But he activated Darkpact in time.
And for the ice pack, Tornado.
Now there's going to be awkward. EMP is maybe going to burn him out of almost all of his mana.
He only has his magic wand charge to work with at this point in time.
He's in trouble. He's got to get out of here.
This is no good for Spirit. Chasing after him, just trying to get something out of it.
It's going to be collapsed, but borrowed time.
Blink gets him a distance away that Tundra cannot break.
Spirit looking for an angle into this fight.
They're hoping to find Invoker there. They're hoping to maybe find Jekiro.
They slept Mag on the other side. Not a bad setup, but Tundra just very disciplined.
Ready for that move, put the weaver there, he scouts it out.
Not a hero you can go on in that situation, you don't have to lock down for him.
The place gets completely broken up, and another torment they're going tundra's way.
Shard for the Magnus.
Easy damage, especially you can push him through a bunch of trees.
Yeah, a little bit of extra distance as well.
Cannot hurt.
This is a lot of weight on Rodan's shoulders right now.
You would want to be a little closer in terms of where the cores are in this game for the
Sark to carry this one.
And this has been a question that has plagued Spirit.
The question of whether or not the modern era of Dota supports their very hard-carry
intensive playstyle?
I think that's fair to say.
He was pretty centered around the Atoroh.
Yeah.
they were centered around Satanic before that, right?
So it's not just, you know, the Radon effect, right?
Some part of it is just baked into Spirit as a whole.
We're gonna put that to the test here in this game
as all of Tundra's heroes, they're all getting strong.
And Spirit, their cores are really not built
to carry so much as enable Radon to carry.
I mean, Collapsus is gonna try and build up something
here with a blink orcade and then going back for the manta. There's something at play here.
They have a lot of control. They have a lot of utility. The damage is just slow. Yeah.
Again, if the shaker catches a big clump, that's one thing if you can find invoker at the start
of a fight, that will open it up a lot. Yes. Outside of those two things, just going into
this bristle mag, doesn't look too fun. And catching that invoker is going to be difficult
because he's playing mostly off-map, he's really not showing too often.
The utility of his forward spirits and long-range spells do most of the work and he's working towards a BKB.
Like, he is intentionally being as elusive as possible until he gets that mad resistance item, and even then...
...Skure back!
And collapse!
We'll have to activate his borrowed time.
He's gonna be RPed afterwards, so the borrowed time he wears out to get Damage on him!
No blink away this time!
Heads up RP.
puts the Magnus to level 20 and now Tundra they have 50 seconds to do whatever they want here.
As once more Spirit were waiting, they were waiting for this BKB to come out on the Slark.
Hoping that these BKBs are going to win them the next teamfight, they have bled away a lot of net worth lead.
Now they're going to bleed away more heroes.
Fisher, that'll slow him down here and the Sun Strike doesn't land.
Get a sleep on that jake hero.
Yeah, the jake hero is left a bit alone, Draughtio.
Trying to arrest me with the jake here, but this is the exact situation.
Draughtio goes in big time deep, and that just leaves a perfect full-on fiend script
that there's no way the Tundra's heroes can get to and stop.
Now with two dead, Radon hopes to be able to get a third kill somewhere in the mix here.
BGM, he's gotta be careful of that one.
Tornado goes out, just trying to keep him at bay, force him to pounce backwards.
That Meteor is doing a lot of damage, the BKB not activated over, Don holds on to it, Orc it goes out, but he still caught the Weaver, and that will be their third kill.
Another situation, getting kills just outside of the Roshan pit. Let's us Lurk do Roshan when he normally can.
The spear are just so good at finding these little openings, and especially good at punishing the stakes.
That is way too aggressive of a skewer from Draught, especially when Dejikiro died.
Ziggik here was the one here that can bail out the grip if you go in deep like that.
So if you want to bait that out because Whitemon has positioning, fair game.
That time though.
Hit off more than you can chew, and not only do you go into a high ground ward on Two-Spirit's side
where they can protect the backline, you feed away the big core kills,
you use the Magnus BKB, Spirit kill you, get stacks,
right up to the pit, get an Aegis, and didn't have to use either of the BKBs on the Sarka or the Shaker for that fight.
Right.
That is just an amazing deal for them. They're going to take that every time.
And now Laurel has the items he was looking for. He's got BKB and Cayenne Saunch.
And that Gale Guard. So these heroes just got a lot more tanky on the side of Spirit.
You still have two 9-second BKBs on these cores.
A lot to play with, more scouting from the Cataclysm.
And also stole two of those wolves.
Economic damage.
BCM moves into position trying to get the BKB out of Laurel.
And he will undoubtedly have to use it here.
It's amazing how much damage it still does.
Peruba BKB. That's ridiculous amount of damage. Now, BZN has to use his own BKB here to make sure he can TP out, and as we're done,
he does manage to get a punish there.
This is a pretty important ages period. Like near,
and if Linkated from collapse, did shot as well, Dorachio has to use his own BKB.
BKB advantage now going the way of spirit.
You gotta get something with this ages. The issue is it's a daytime ages.
This really limits how aggressive you can play on the map without the smokes.
We'll pop one here.
Try and just run this Aetherlands Bane and Maposhka got to a massive item on this hero
in terms of Spirit's initiation.
Another big smoke committal.
This doesn't land.
This'll be like the third smoke they committed three plus heroes in that didn't get anything.
Yeah, I mean, just brutal.
Look at the map.
There's heroes on every side of the map right now for Tundra.
Bottom, left wing, top.
They're just clearing out all the neutral camps while you're making this big four
and they're laughing at you all the way to the bank.
You have to go back and deal with these lanes.
It feels like the invoker is looking kind of like the Nature's Prophet Corps from before.
He's a great map hero.
Global presence all the way, get some good information out of the cataclysm,
and the lanes are pushed in all the time by these fortune-takers.
Yeah, there's just no way to catch him.
You need like, I don't know, Shadow Wave Shaker maybe?
Link Bane?
Those are the two things I'm seeing that could maybe catch this invoker on the map, otherwise you just have to respond to his lane pressure every time.
I mean that's a good example. Good stat to showcase how these Forge spirits may be dying for it, but they are always pushing in these various lanes.
Maposha is opting for an Agatom Scepter, which I guess is the one way to, unless you just get the perfect angle, that ice path and tornado is unlikely to stop the fiend script.
No, I actually guarantee full grip duration of this game.
It's a really good axe. It's a very powerful axe. You also get the pulldown reduction, which is also really big on this spell.
It is gonna be something we won't be talking about for some time as I tell Maposhka is gonna get 4,200 golds anytime soon.
But one that we can talk about is Muertos.
So a little bit more team fight presence, a little bit more control.
I mean that is certainly not lacking on the spirit side lots and lots and lots of control for team fights
You can start that's why it's also important for them to start the fights because have all these disables you have all this stun
You can just chain it together. There's no save in this tundra line
Yeah, if you just come in with DKB's you can take somebody down a hundred to zero
This fill his high ground ward up for spirit Fisher block now
He has a force now to get to the other side.
Koshka's up very far.
Ooh, Whitemon immediately relieved the Bristol back of that nightmare, putting him at death's door.
Collapse will gladly open that.
Radon wants 33 here, he wants to send a message.
Yeah, he's pretty far out there though, the rest of his team trailing behind.
Dude, man, you hit that nice dead shot on Socks, huh?
But...
I mean, Tundra had no business being there, they instantly bailed.
That is a terrible fight for them.
into the same high ground ward they lost that fight earlier, really tough position to get onto the backline.
And you still have Aegis on the floor.
There's just no reason to take that fight when you can split the map with the Invoker and
still get a lot out of it here.
Tuntra have successfully made it
through this Aegis though.
They gave away a pick or two, sure, but...
They did not lose a lot, honestly.
Yeah, nothing significantly gained. I would even wonder how much...
Yeah, that...
net worth.
About two and a half K here.
Overall, a loss for Spirit.
Radon, let it get to heroes.
He still has that Aegis for 15 seconds.
They gotta be a little bit careful here.
He's gonna go full hog, just try and take out Tarantio as soon as possible.
BKB, RP has to be used.
Nine seconds left.
Radon, gonna call it quits.
Got a lot of spells out of them,
wants to make sure his Aegis does give him the full regen.
He wants the mana back more than anything.
Yeah.
Those have a decent amount of stacks right now, 11 permanent agi 27s and shifts.
This is enough to go in the fight, feel confident in doing it, and RP on cooldown, BKV on the
Magnus on cooldown.
Why not look for something here as, as it hits nighttime, perfect timing to look for
a fight if your spirit collapse, playing aggressive bot, and Tundra are just getting
Burn into the face.
This is...
Go after 33, so we're ambitious.
Ghost steps are gonna be used.
Speed script, that's gonna be stopped immediately by a tornado.
Now a cataclysm.
Almost brings down the bang.
Gotta be careful there.
Radon gets out of the enemy face.
Spirit trying so hard to make something happen.
But Tundra just being as wily and as defensive
as Spirit was in game one.
Upside for Spirit here is they corraled them.
They're not feeling the map pressure right now.
The outside is you're just not able to find these pick offs to snowball this game even more.
Yeah.
And it doesn't take long for BCM to get back out on the map.
Who's the travel's ghost walk?
He just runs out there.
But Tundra are feeling a bit of pressure.
Oh, my booska, my booska!
I mean, can you even get anybody here if he does get asleep?
Yeah, he drops the Ward Centry spot, the invoker, but...
Or at all, the circling.
Just no gem on this lark.
Everybody's coming up here, actually.
I think both teams expect to have the advantage up here.
He's gonna show himself. Go straight for Moposhka, but they already got the jump!
Big echo on two! The two supports are out of the fight immediately, and BGM is on the run.
Do they have any vision of them? They don't know what they're up here.
Moposhka's gonna find him! A dust goes off! He gets hit by the gold step, but he gots a nightmare!
Now the 4th Spears has to relieve it! BGM makes the blink away!
Moposhka gets the heal off the fissure, and gets the chains done! These traps look around! He's gone!
You know the post got just outplayed tundra so hard this bait top they're swarming everybody up there
He's just man fighting the forest spirit saying look at me. I'm so juicy. You gotta kill me Bcm
You gotta go for it. He bites the bait we're dawn waiting in the shadows and you get three kills out of it
You managed to catch this invoker without any of the real catch tools you needed and the two supports clumped for an echo slam I
I mean, I can't believe that Maposhka lived through that initial...
Gale Guard.
Gale Guard.
Gale Guard doing some work out here.
Yeah.
Did he get any help from Collapse?
Because Collapse obviously healed him up at the end there, but... pretty massive.
Bashers are coming into play now, so Tundra, they want to be able to play out on the
map, but... are they gonna be able to do so against the Slarkbashers?
And soon to be, Collapse also wants to build one.
And seeing as this is a game where it looks like it's going late, it looks like level
level 25s are going to be possible. We saw how good that level 25 talent was for the abandoned
with the basher lasking. I like this itemization. Just take the man fight to these cores. Limit
Dorachio's ability to get in there and actually deal the DPS and put a lot of pressure on
this invoker to carry the fight. These two spirits, the ports are also just outranging
the weaver and jacarral. Like these adds, dead shots have been really annoying and
They won't get it Tormenter, they are getting run at right now.
Little bit low, Rue is coming in from the other side, he breaks the smoke.
Tundra not sure what's happening here, immediate RP.
Fast heal, Cataclysm goes down, spots a bunch of other heroes.
Now, Rodon on the front lines is going to be the one to grab to your tornado.
He has to use VKD and afford to let his mana get burned out.
But he also can't really go on them too much.
Yo, Vale, Spirit are out.
You'll get out with everybody else.
I mean, honestly not that bad of an outcome for how bad I think it could have been.
And now 33 has a scythe.
More and more control now.
Radon hasn't been caught like the early Orc could pick up from Soxa, never ended up finding a kill on this Slark, but now the scythe divides.
Octaree's great tool.
15 second cooldown on this.
Yeah, yeah.
This is something Radon's gonna have to think about.
This Slark does not have a lot of defensive capability in terms of these instance stuns coming out.
He's been playing off the vision, playing off the pounces. You leave in, don't have dark pack.
Oh, Dorachio just skewered right in collapse.
That's awkward because Radon just picked up an anti-match and he's got that bash or two.
Thunder is closing in.
So Dorachio, can he survive?
Long of a deal to get through. There's the bash, the four step gets him over the high ground and ice path comes in clutch.
Now the site starts going to work. Is Radon in trouble? Cataclysm?
He's dead. Collapse can't save him. In fact, he can't even save himself as he has stunned him for too long.
Sting's silenced out, both cores will die, baited out by a Doracio that I don't know if he ever intended all of that.
Nice shot from Ruru though.
Yeah, picked up Doracio as he was lingering on the backside of that fight, salvages it a little bit.
Spear might look to go back in on this mid lane if Tundra get over cocky, they still have that Echo Slam.
Sheva's done on Laurel, that's a lot of damage coming from the shaker.
So you don't want to get too aggressive here, if you're Tundra.
That was just...
I mean, it's a little unfortunate for Spirit.
Honestly, they did not get the earlier bash,
and it meant that Doracio could get all the way to that cliff line,
but Super Head's up play from white on.
TP's in, nails out this Magnus with a very clutch forced out.
The savior Doracio needed, perhaps not the one he deserved.
Get out of my pit!
It's time to go to the dire side!
Moe, go away!
It'll get him eventually here.
They do have the AWE damage, surely.
Well after quills that get a very awkward spot for all the Roshan spoils to
The spawn but they get it all. Yeah, I imagine you were smoked there and you could have to slammed it. Yeah, that would
They roast to get because we're a fresher shard for the invoker
That's juicy. That's really honestly even this cheese is pretty nice
Zero just so mana intensive
And Aegis on the versatile back he can now play super aggressive on the front line looking for the hexes
Maposhka, Linkchevas will reveal him, Galeguard trying to help him out here, but this is unfortunate because Maposhka, he was halfway to that Agony receptor now, it's going to be delayed a bit more.
That Galeguard is a super nice person, Oakley, block these hits going into the cold snap.
Yeah, that's a good point.
How much are Tundra willing to push with this Aegis? That is the question right now.
Because they, in theory they have everything they need to go high ground in this game.
But you're not getting that much stronger on all these cores, you're five slaughtered on all of them.
That high ground is tough though, you could get fishered off.
The Bane and Mort they're gonna have good positions, more pick-offs.
Yeah, Trenters just keep on finding openings here.
So much damage.
Very awkward.
Especially since they have gauges, they have what they need to...
Have a poke at high ground.
Oh, he got it.
Oh, they got you.
Oh, teleporting up to top lane, and Radon, quick the strike immediately.
Bashes!
Oh, he can't get away.
Not with the skewer.
He's still pound-stopped.
Now, Radon realizes this has been long enough.
He's got to get out of here.
He's got one pound.
He's got a depth shroud.
Is it a little trouble?
The corners tried to use the extra movement speed,
but caught by an Orca again.
Just changed silences at this point.
Maybe the silencer will wear out,
and he can get off his depth shroud
and go to a desperate TP away.
for TP White, this hero's gonna be able to stop that
and he is dead.
More and more pick offs.
Spirit.
They're bleeding out right now.
They really are.
This invoker's just too fast on the map.
We're getting in that late game
where this hero just takes over
and there's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.
Boots of travel two online for BZMV
is gonna be everywhere right now.
And this hex just became way deadlier.
You get caught by this bristle hex
and Voker's gonna TP in on the bristle.
Yeah, it's so esteratio apparently.
Yeah, double boots of travel too. Level 25 on the mag as well, so that RP stun 4.3 seconds.
That's why that Sark was stunned so long. It's brutal, man.
This is not an easy late game for Spirit to play versus.
Even if that's their strong suit as a team.
It's just so much scale to overcoming.
Ags on the jikiro.
I mean, the late game tools are piling in right now.
33 marches up to the high ground.
High ground is tricky, just because of the positioning.
30 seconds no spark. See how much damage you can get done.
Clear out the wave with the enfeeble and the constant stuns.
They slow down the damage. 20 seconds left. Tornado EMP lands onto the earth shaker.
Another dead shot, trying to push him back. The tier 3 is gonna fall.
Claps will make sure to take that bounty
You really do not want to go high ground when that starts back up. Yeah almost level 25 on this invoker, too
Big talent to get
Yeah, and you still have that refresher start. So you have that Omega wombo combo. He's currently looking at clearing up space
By buying that a blessing can't blame needs the slots right now. Yeah
I wonder if that means he's going to buy another Scythe of Ice.
I mean at this point why not, right?
See the Scythe or Refresher? Kind of all that's left here.
You have the Shard for now, but late game Refresher invokers.
Pretty terrifying here, especially when you don't have easy ways to start on him in the fight.
board spirits just take range barracks and more running up to hit high ground
these things hit really hard hundred and ten damage and then one of them to
Lackredy someone's got to be on for spirit duty I was about to say I think
you need eggs on a bad going into this ultra league class is thinking about see
if this abyssal pays off because you could have had an ice here brought
He's gonna go fishing. No, he's not a dead shot stops him right as 33 made his entry
Harpoon it's only gonna hit an illusion while meanwhile try to interrupt that hitting an echo slam
But the Roger already got his viewer away me while dead shot back into position
33 gets a lot of his stats stolen a bit so play gonna be with some stocks that he gets frozen up
He that's a gem
Dead and gem given up tundra stacks on the slope right now nighttime hits
Radon's gonna go hunting. Aggressive smoke from Spirit. They want to catch something here.
There is still RP available.
Tundra, they haven't left fast enough. Radon, he's gonna catch up to somebody, man.
It's gonna be 33. Ghost steps are immediately gonna be used. He's got an
oversteel totem. He's trying to get to his team but he's
completely alone. He's really close by. Cataclysm's gonna be used but it's
not enough to kill the Bane. Certainly not.
Tundra were just not ready for that smokeout.
They had wards covering a lot of the entryways into that bottom half of the map, but the
mag was just farming neutrals, the invoker was TPing out.
They just did not think that was going to come at all.
Spirit get rewarded for their aggression, huge bristleback kill.
And refresher done for Laurel, that is massive here.
Now you have a lot more damage in the tank.
You get Neco Slam on two or three heroes in this fight, you double echo it, you're
winning that fight.
That is something that can bring these heroes down.
I think the last component missing here per Spirit is either Break or Nullifier.
You're gonna have to kind of pick how you deal with 33 because it's ghost that's been really annoying,
but being able to break him would also be really nice.
Opposed to have found another pick.
Aw, what a setup.
Dorancio, he does have BKB.
But Radan is gonna be along for the ride.
One bash, already hit, chained.
No damage to get the BKB off.
And now the BKB has to be used on BZM as Gleitner hits him.
He has the full retreat out here.
Dorachu doesn't have a buyback.
Radon, well, he tried to slow him down.
He'd sit by a dead shot.
Laurel after him, but he's got a nice macro pyre.
That holds him all back and puts a little damage on him.
Spirit not going to go diving today,
but will still have a chance to hit high ground.
I mean, that was a necessary ice pad.
There's a decent chance you get fissured there.
Laurel has a refresher.
he can just jump in instantly.
Easy, I'm still holding on to that refresher shard, he will TP bottom.
Yeah, BCM's just gonna try and put some pressure on the other side.
They cannot fight without Tarachi, oh, I would suspect.
He has no buyback, bought out for Swiftflink.
50 seconds, no Magnus banner available for T-Spirits, you cannot stop this push.
Just a question of how much they will get here.
As those official blades pay off the extra controllers. Yeah, these BKBs
These picks are particularly dangerous because the Slurk I mean they already got entrance into the high ground
But the Slurk also has his level 25 the stats are sticking around for a lot longer now
And this raft is nice because now you're getting extra gold for your supports that bay nags
Yeah, it's not so far away anymore
They refreshed instantly after that echo, so you're gonna have that running.
They really wanted white on there, man.
Sends a message.
Not afraid to blow a lot to take down this jacquero.
Did catch the shaker as well, you're just not bursting 33 there unless you can chain
sun him forever.
That's a good read by Laurel in this situation, not to pop double O.
That's it, 33 will finish up his own DKB and also hits level 25.
Extra Warpath damage, this is the scene where Bristleback can get empowered.
Gotta respect the right click coming out from this offlaner right now.
You gotta take smart manfights here if you're spirit, as you continue to claw your way back in this game.
Another smoke up during the nighttime let the Clark lead is a full bloodthorne now
They're gonna try and get inside the base eggs done on the Bane by the way
Yeah, whatever hero they find
He is not walking out of the team fight good cataclysm reads the smoke
Full retreat from tundra. They are playing pretty defensively on that the outer edges of the map
But hey you back up to their base knowing that spirit are looking for him
Anything that he's using is off cooldown, just like Zoo Salt.
Now, can't blame him, the vision has been pivotal.
Another group of smoke spear, do not find anything with it.
Look at him mid.
Trying to hit him with the Fissure does actually hit him with the Fissure, but 33 is in the way.
It's one of the power in there.
Not a particularly powerful power room.
Nope, this is getting collapsed to his next side, which could be the ax on the Abaddon, could be super impactful.
Another cataclysm. Might just say buyback here.
Think about these next roche fights, buybacks could be really important.
Crucial pickup, Lotus sword. On the weaver.
This spells very nice. Super good here versus the Bloodthorns, the Abysses.
Don, he's going to break the smoke through mid.
They know he's in this here. Yeah, so I'll pick it up.
They know the rest of the team is behind him with the scan.
This is a very distinct moment for Spirit right now.
White mod is really risking it here trying to get some vision down.
Scary moment there.
The dead shot whizzing right by his head.
There's just so much gold in Spirit's bank right now.
They have 4,000 gold on 3 heroes.
You're to take a fight with 12 gold in the bank.
12 K gold.
Yeah.
That's a lot.
Sometimes you want to buy out in this game, or buybacks might be worth more than that other item.
Not easy decisions here.
I think I could see you buying out for the aggs in the Abaddon, because you are playing through the Slark anyway.
Re-upping the smoke, trying to use the Disperser.
Collapsus not here though.
They're going straight up to the high ground.
Fight without the Abaddon?
Kenmapoche got fight in opening somewhere in this.
He's looking for his fiend's grit, the Lotus Rovers already been used.
Spot of the Magnus.
Is the Magnus who he's going to go for here?
Team Spirit.
Got feared.
kind of resetting here they don't feel good about this fight anymore I mean I
didn't feel good about it you're fighting without collapse and the pressure
coming in from these four spirits in the top lane got to do something about it
now tundra trying to find their pick range right now they found the post
got skewered it back in deep in the cataclysm he gets gonna play hell
we got the v-scriff anyway because he's got a chronic shield the v-scriff
lasting a little while here but the meteors are raining in it it's hard
Hard for Team Spirit to push into that fight.
Glott's being chased away, they're bossing too, just to get on top of him.
He doesn't have to borrow time, and there's no way Team Spirit can really get to him.
Laurel, thinking about it early BKB, but it got tapped by damage.
Echo second.
Slayer tries to get him to be medium here.
RP going out for Dorancio.
33 on the high ground, watching as Dorancio goes to work off this.
Laurel, Dempstra going to be used.
A second RP.
Can't see the heroes.
He has this girl out of it.
Dempstra out a little bit more damage.
Bans to get him.
Heart prove back in.
Run down into trouble.
He has to get up to the high ground.
Blocked by the Palsy.
We gotta fear he won't fall in the water!
And now the Roshan is open for the taking for Tundra!
The refresher's so big there!
Refresher for VZM means you can give the Shard to Dorachio
to effectively have a refresher in Volka and a refresher Magnus in that fight!
God, it's 33 full time!
Gotta be careful here, this is not a Rosh you can take right now!
The Roshan's raw, it scales, man!
I mean, you have time! You have time to coheal and come back!
Yeah, there's still rush to this!
And this should complete Dorachio's real refresher orb.
Yeah, we'll help in that fight from the shard that they took so much earlier in this game that it finally pays off.
The fact BZM gets his DKB off going up that hill is everything in that fight, yeah.
He is so dead if he gets Echo Slam there.
No way to bail him out of that position.
And everything that happens as a result of that, the nation they get off on,
Opposed to Dorachio getting the skewer down.
The VZM covering the skewer with the, the meteors that come in that just being spirit can't go down the ramp.
That is a tough position to f-
You're going up that huge stairway into this lineup.
You can get fissured off, you can get gripped.
The fact they found those openings.
VZM.
Oh, he is feeling hot right now.
Refresher's back up in 25 here.
cool that's not too far away they got another refresher shard by the way he
just on Doracio so he does not have to buy up for his own refresher we'll have
it anyway how is Rodan gonna be in these fights against multiple rps blood
thorns orchids scythe advice his timing has to be immaculate he needs help
that's what he needs he needs a lockdown from the team you have to be of the
land grips here you have to be able to land echo slams good dead shots so
the star cast time to build up stacks if you can build up stacks at the start of a
fight you have a win condition there if you go into this fight with nothing and
you're just getting stunned those stacks are being built the fights impossible
20 cake old lead he just thought for three and a half minutes here tempted
harpoon skewer manta will help dissuade a little bit of back to ratio is
gonna get snubbed up misplaced as well almost dying almost losing his ages
The death shot even hits him at the end there, and he will survive. Is it the Lotus?
Cancel the Grip there?
To fail them out. Oh, yeah, I think it did.
You got to be careful going in now because
Noposh is just gonna throw these GRIPS on anybody. Yeah.
And they're very tough to cancel quickly. Yeah, I think the way it works is each Bane is is
activating its own Fiends Grip, right?
What? Modisaur bounces back each Fiends Grip to the various Bane.
and jump away. Not depth show, chatter dance actually. BKB had to be used by Laurel. I mean
Dorachio is creating opportunities here. Eventually somebody's going to slip up on
Spirit and get caught by the skewer. If Dorachio gets caught, he has the Aegis. Oh, Pochka!
Oh, he drops the Stinger! He's got the Nightmare! BZM! He's far from catching! Oh, this
It's gonna be the Pots 2 coming in, but they already have the entrance.
They've already got the Bristle 2.
And now the Echo Slam is gonna be put to use to chain up 33.
He's dead.
White Mons up next.
Moposhka's dead.
He's not being eliminated here either.
Moposhka, the game winner, just found a huge opening to get Spirit back on
in position to win.
This looked like an impossible situation for them, but now it's possible.
This guy is way too good for his own good, dude.
It's disgusting, the openings he's been able to find in this game.
That is the biggest one of all.
The one hero that you have no business catching in this game, yeah.
You'll land a sleep on him.
No BKB, no refresher, the bristle TV's into trying bail out that situation.
There is no bailing it out.
A massive misstep and a massive fine from the five-position of Team Spirit,
giving them a large window against an Aegis to do whatever they want on the map right now.
some stacks for the Slark 18 permanent 22 essence shift right now
Gryff is back up. You still have to be careful here for the next 30 seconds. You do not want to
bleed more kills here if you're Tundra. Tundra? They still have all of these?
That A on disk for the Angoker. You need it. You need it here.
This is just another lane I think. Spirit, evening things out.
They already took bit lane now they're gonna get top as well and Tundra still have a look at a window to use the stages
Aghanim's blessing also
Dorachu, he has too many items man. He has way too many items
Still has this refresher recipe. He's gonna bring in the blessing so we can free up a slot
or get the horde toss and then the Aegis of Ordo will flee at the spot and I assume get
refresher for it or slip in the refresher shard until the refresher orb is needed and
save buybacks for now.
Never know when you'll need him here.
Blink done for the bane.
That is one of the things that can now more reliably catch us a voker.
You run over a sentry ward trap like we did before and just insta blink sleep.
Dude, look at what BCM's doing.
He's having his courier follow him around with the aunt desk.
This isn't just, uh, you know, oh, he has an A on distance, he's gonna activate, he's gonna assemble it when it's needed.
They straight up may not know he has this as a possibility.
I mean, if you pull that off, you deserve to win that game.
Though, is he forgotten about it at this time? Like, the micro...
It's plugged down the whole plane.
The micro's not too impressive here, Austin.
Oh, no.
I mean, he's focusing on pushing all these planes to the forward spirits, there's too many things to micro.
At the same time, should you even be getting caught in the first place?
That's kind of the question right he's just gonna put out. Okay. He takes it
I mean you gotta remember you can go for plays like that now more because when the item gets delivered you can put it in right away
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh
Dead shot on the invoker
These dead shots are
Spooky man because he's got the charges too. So
They are so quickly extremely disruptive. He has octurine as well. Yeah
So you're getting double big girthy dead shots in the fight. They're all octurine cooldown
girth and lank never seen before we have 25 seconds until we have tier 5's
that could be really interesting what do we get when we get a bunch of you know
that there's the item that still increases your cast range right
is that not your stone no it's not in here no okay I think you're the big
Minotaur Horns would be good.
Skewer back on the collapse.
Early over.
Barrel time gonna be used here early. We saw what happened last time.
He gets controlled up during his Barrel time.
He isn't able to blink away, but a last long enough.
A second RP, but he didn't get the skewer.
He missed him.
Don is gonna help out here.
Go, go, go.
Black O's Slam 0-3.
Oh, Lotto does big damage here.
He took the Info Grant in the fight.
And now, Dorontos is in some trouble.
He already used most of his spells.
He's being constantly silenced up.
He's gone.
Constantly stunned up.
He's gone as well.
Don't let Tundra hold it onto these buybacks, we're going to have to use them to defend their base at this point in time
because 33 can't push through all of this, 4 dead and 1 bob that buyback needed from collapse.
Laurel with the teamfight he was waiting for all game, just massive double echo slam damage,
spreading on everybody and you found a grip on the invoker again.
No Aeon disc pop in that fight, you had it in the backpack, never got slotted in, you just died so fast.
Crazy finds from the Bane in this game.
And a very nice jump from Laurel just put that teamfight over the edge.
You do get a bad and buyback here.
And you had to trade 33s as well.
Might be forced into more if Spirit want to push the issue.
You have a little bit of a stack buildup on the Slark, nothing crazy.
And he will fly in the refresher of his own, so Radon is going to join the refresher club.
Final lane of Barracks.
Open for the taking.
Buybacks will have to be used by Tundra.
The question is how many?
How much does Team Spirit want to push this?
Acropyre gonna be used early here with Dawn,
pops the Shatterdance, gets in it,
and starts going to work on the tower.
Boker up in 10.
Why try and save the Vis here if you're a Tundra?
It really does look like they're gonna be doing that,
but it does put them on a bit of a precipice here.
As for Dawn, might be able to get the mages
without too much loss, takes it to your three,
decides to back out.
I mean, the thing is the timing's just not great here.
Roche is a guaranteed respawn in the next two minutes.
That's true.
Do not want to lose a fight and give up this next Roche.
Especially when you just got all those buybacks out of Tundra.
Or at least the two.
Cataclysm are dealing some heroes.
You get Nages here.
You take the next fight.
You kill this Bristol back.
That's a pretty good win condition.
Yeah.
And it's an early Roche spawn.
They're just going to gobble it up here.
Another refresher shard.
You know what's interesting about it?
It's a collapse here, maybe.
They're focused at Roche.
This does give Tundra the opportunity, they won't get it right away, but they can start
farming up some of these neutral item shards to start getting tier 5s.
It should be ahead, yeah.
Up to 7 out of 10 right now.
So Team Spirit, do you want to farm your own and accept the fact that Tundra are going
to be able to get some, or do you try and push up to the high ground now?
They're very close to a lot of these.
There will be one of them, they're off shield.
Actually we can see his options now.
Minotaur horn, I mean, one of those two, right?
You don't want the unrelenting eye for the memes?
No, I think I'm okay with that.
I mean, it's Minotaur horn or Fallen Sky here.
I mean, just imagine what you could do
with some RP Fallen Sky, RP Fallen Sky.
Magic lamp all so pretty nice.
I always think one book of the dead is honestly pretty nice just for the detection.
Okay, yeah.
Like just having invis detection in these later fights that doesn't require an item slot is pretty underrated.
It will be Fallen Sky on the Magnus.
That is pretty strong. Still looking for invokers here.
Minotaur horn for the Abaddon.
He also took, it's important to talk about the enchantment.
Chancement says well he took the a decious hundred attack speed plus 80 magic attack damage
He's gonna take more damage as well, but he's looking out for he's just basically looking for a knockout punch
Gotta land these big rps and make him count. Yeah
More cool down reduction for the muscle back
And honestly we're done taking book of the dead
He must have not gotten anything that juicy, but he did get Titanic on the enchantment
Which is pretty nice here for the status resist.
Yeah, I mean it's a good thing that you can bust the base damage.
Oh, try to get the fallen sky!
Got it on my post!
Got a needle in the middle of the BKB!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
I'm gonna miss the blade!
Okay!
A bold move from Doracio that does not pay off.
Spirit potentially can force his buyback now.
I mean if you're gonna make that kind of play,
surely you commit at least the BKB if they want an Abyssal Blade to sure, but...
Or throw a Lotus on him before he goes.
Yeah.
Spirit taking control of this game now. Still four minutes on that Bristol back by back.
I mean, also as you're fighting...
How did you go? You have a fresher shot on Collapse. You have double borrowed time. You need it.
Nice pass.
Trying to build up some damage, some chip damage. Just like us.
BGM, he's gonna go for it. Meteor's gonna be dropped on his head, but he does manage to find an opening to be able to pounce away.
Collapse heals him up a bit.
a bit.
He's an opening.
Echo slip.
Oh, he just gets a little bit of stun and takes the building.
Starts running away.
But there's the RP.
He got through.
Immediate feed script gonna be used.
And nobody there to stop it.
It's a full out RP.
Trying to get forced out, forced out.
Trying to get him away.
But no.
He will die back.
That's gonna be a die back on two.
Tundra left with three now.
Side device.
That's gonna be his BCM.
Starts backing away.
BCM.
It's the time to put on a show.
It's absolutely now three against five.
But he's slept up.
And here comes the man himself.
Laurel to deliver and chant out, deliver and knock out.
He goes down a buyback immediately used by Laurel
to find an opening here, stops them pushing forward,
trying to go out to immediately dies.
He's just trying to spell Spirit from run away,
but Spirit don't have to run.
They're running back in.
They want to end this game right here.
Only BCM alive for the cores.
He is going to have to do something insane here.
Has block of cheese, fallen sky,
every spell at the ready,
but no refresher available for the extra first damage.
He doesn't jump in soon, it's just gonna be the ancient falling.
Gotta go now. Gotta do something.
BGM, he jumps in, she goes,
falls down to beat, your hammer goes for the beatings,
but at the same time, he gets controlled up once and he's dead.
And that is it.
What a game.
Team spirit pushed it late, and against the odds, take over.
I can't believe they were winning
some of those late game fights.
There was just so much scale on paper
in that Tundra lineup, but they got to the point where honestly the mag just became useless.
Because there's so many disables to try and blink into.
The grips with the aggs, the double abyssal blades, the depth shroud saves, Slark's a
really hard target to jump, the night time vision was a massive problem for Tundra
this game.
They went ultra late against his BZM and Boker, refreshers on everybody, and they cleaned
house here, huge teamfights from Laurel, but honestly awesome.
This game was, it was something else to pick this hero in this kind of position in the grand finals, a very underpicked hero in the patch, a very difficult hero to execute.
He played the lane well, he played the game well, he played the team fights insane, he got to his items, he had huge clutch pick offs on the invoker in this game that absolutely turned the tide.
Look Hoshka God.
He does it again.
What can you say?
He hits the game winner four spirits and now they're up in the series two to one.
What a game there is a lot of things to talk about here and I feel like we have to talk
about the elephant in the room first because otherwise my panel they're just gonna they're
just gonna hope to say it sooner rather than later Brian you want to you want to just talk
about the Magnus I believe he's much more of a minotaur yeah that was one of the funniest
performances I've honestly witnessed we I think Miro is the one just says textbook
D'Raccio several times. Vintage D'Raccio throughout the course of that game and that
last meteor hammer play might have been my favorite go-to clip of all time in terms of
just I don't think I've ever laughed that hard at a professional level. Yeah that was pretty
funny he also ended the game six and nine. That's a really nice sport. D'Raccio, this
guy he just he always gives us the best games the best grand finals like I think
Tundra's gonna go on to win the whole thing. They probably are and you know, it's just a repeat of you don't think so
I mean, I was just you were fail
Yeah, it happens. It happens. It's strange because I feel like he's looked really cool. I don't understand this player at all
like some games he's just like
destroys the game entirely and then the other game is just like what's he doing? It's there comes very strange
That already happened. Yeah, that was that was already after the buyback
It'll come eventually, but I think this game in general like it's kind of showing that
Radon and he likes to play these ultra late game heroes his flark
It might be a liability a bit in the laning stage in the mid game
But the vision it gives the scaling and it provides
He wants to be that player that is going to be the hard carry of the game
And we saw even though we did meme around a bit about the Magnus plays you're playing versus flark a baton
It is an incredibly hard Magnus game to pull off, and that can get in your head a little bit too, so I do have to give it to him in that regard.
Sure, some plays looked a little hard on his end, but it is still a difficult game to execute.
Yeah, and it lost a long time as well, Mir.
It did, and that's Team Spirit's forte. The longer the game goes, the more that they power up.
But honestly, I will never doubt when I push this vision again, he sees something that other people don't.
people don't and I really do think that this vain pick provided so much for Team Spirit in
terms of the early game because they won that early game on Team Spirit. What ended up happening
was they were just getting out in that worth and they had no objective of taking heroes
on their side. So they had to give away like things like Tormentors, they had to give away
parts of them up, but they're leaning stationed really well with that vain plus
Dark Combo, they got some key kills, and Bush goes top just pressuring Dorachio's
lane over and over again, killing the enemy supports, making them under leveled, making
So that's hundred don't do the thing where they snowball out of their lanes
Yeah, and they didn't snowball other than links, you know, I'm not gonna ever doubt she ever who red on I'm never gonna doubt red on I
Maybe I mean you doubted him a little bit on the tanks. Come on. I doubt the clink. I don't doubt red on. Okay, you know
This is a guy
That was what I looked like in the back room, but I was wearing this, but that was from some other day.
That is how you laugh, right?
Brian was like laughing the loudest I've ever heard him after that play.
Yeah, usually it's at his own jokes, not gameplay.
That is true!
I have to make up for the lack of laughter from everyone else in the room.
Right, right.
You understand this.
I enjoyed that too. I'm a chaotic Dota enjoyer, so I'm, you know, we're giving big D shit, of course,
Of course, because of the, you know, they lost.
It's funny, but it's funny and it's so fun.
It's so fun to watch.
And I'm also really enjoying Team Spirit.
Like, these are not normal heroes.
We kind of doubted the Slark a little bit.
We definitely doubted the Bane,
but like Mira said, Maposhka has a vision.
They trust each other.
They trust Verdun to have that last pick Slark
into 1v5, even though we wanted it to be in Ursa.
They just knew they were gonna go to 60 minutes
and that at that point, the Slark would be better.
That was the timing.
60 minute timing?
I just love that they've shown up today.
Team Spirit have really leveled up
and they're bringing their grand finals for him.
And Jenkins, you said it, you're like,
they are the final boss of grand finals.
And even though a Tundra has looked so good,
maybe they will start to feel the pressure now
because even though Spirit are only up one game so far,
Terace has had a rough one.
Like his Ven game one kept getting crated.
His Tiny kept getting killed on lane.
Like it was the Abaddon really
that catapulted them in that game too.
And this game three, his Magnus missing spells
couldn't really do that much.
So he has to reset between now and game 4.
I do also want to highlight the Invoker a little bit because I feel like this is the first time we saw BZM Invoker beaten Fear, but he put on a good performance.
That felt like an Invoker that should have won to be honest with you, that was the performance that he had and he has it every single time so I wouldn't take this loss and be like, BZM Invoker is beatable now.
It kind of still is a little bit unbeatable.
obviously the mag is a little underwhelming but the bristleback to
kind of felt like it didn't do a whole lot in this game
we saw in game number two as well clubs try to make the bristleback work
didn't really work a little bit in the early game is not scaling
i think i'm trying to have a tough choice now to make like or again continue
with this early game pressure
or do we need to adapt and do a team spirit slay game because
right now it's not working for them
i have an announcement to make
uh... it's a very important announcement i just got a notification
this is the first
ever game
in dota history
in competitive where somebody lost with a block of cheese
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did not use the block of cheese in the law
that explains the loss
i can't believe that never see i don't think i've seen a block of cheese
that's also because you really need to see the pressure against the loss of people to change
it's not actually possible
we achieve it
we don't talk about it
okay the first time ever
the first time ever
congratulations to
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We got a block of cheese on the screen no we cannot we cannot but we can get on the screen is some commercials
because we're gonna go to a break the cheese and I
Can't wait to see what kind of draft will be happening for game number four. See you soon. You're nervous. No, I'm not
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First team spirit and we now have a team on match point. That means if team spirit wins the next game, they are our champions.
I do think Chandra is looking to tie the score though. We have had three very interesting games and especially very interesting drafts.
drafts and hopefully our fourth draft will be just as interesting as the first three.
I don't think you're gonna get the OD, fear. I'll tell you that straight away.
That's okay.
Yeah, I would hope so.
So I please have a necrophos on the house.
I only want an OD if there's a necrophos.
Oh, you would prefer especially that combination. We did see 33 on the necrophos yesterday.
We did. He lost. Did he lose?
Yeah.
That was the long end.
That was the loss.
Everyone lost.
Yeah.
inevitably. It looks good early though. That one could have been a win though.
You saw Paravision lose with it as well. That could have been a win too. Could have been a win.
Yeah, yeah. So it's not good. So what do we want to see here, Mira? Because we've seen a lot of
different trends, a lot of different changes. I think I just want to see Doratio on a hero
that gets a little bit more enabled because his Magnus got shot down heavily, his Tiny got
got shut down heavily, his son got shut down heavily. If I'm Tundra I want to kind of restore
his confidence in the series and I would try to get something like maybe a Warlock PA.
I think Doracio PA or Doracio Life Stealer, he hasn't been getting the Life Stealer but we can
start from there. Yeah the Life Stealer has the first phase band I believe every single game
so we'll see if the PA is a hero that will pop up for him. I do have one point to talk
about here before we we head into the draft and talk about the actual draft because in game one
And game two and game three. We've seen the teams in the exact same position
We've seen tundra on dire
Whereas team spirit was on radiant and of course for game number four they changed it up. What is this?
They changed it up all together. We got tundra for the first time in the series on the radiant side
Yeah, that is a big gasp. Do some research real quick. That's all good
One thing that is also interesting to note that might tie into
The side is that every single game so far minute 15 you can find tundra at the torment of right
That's absolutely true. I believe 15 minutes is referred officially as the tour me time
She says I've heard that today actually with the jingle as well. Yeah, I didn't mirror you want to sing the jingle first
Beautiful
We're in the first round of Bands, we see the usual suspects here, Terrorblade, did we
see that last game?
Yeah, First Base Band.
Oh, wow, okay.
Okay, research is complete.
Okay, what's the outcome?
Tundro, first pick Radiant, 100% win rate.
They have not lost a single game on first pick Radiant.
Out of how many?
Out of this entire tournament.
Oh, that's a lot of...
Yeah, the entire tournament.
Yes!
100% win rate.
Wow.
But they've only got it 16% of the time.
They must have prioritized second pick then a couple of times for Spirit.
Yeah, I think they do prioritize the second pick.
However, the games they've gotten, first pick radiant, I'm just going to put it out there.
I like this ban and that pick Magnus.
I think the Abaddon presented a lot more problems than in the other games where we
saw the Abba vs. Mag and Jarate was playing.
So I think it almost gave him like a false sense of security where he's like,
oh yeah, I can play against this, no problem.
But then, you know, you see very clearly why this is a counter.
It's so hard to initiate on Abba and he saves, he also saves his teammates as well when he gets a point beggar.
I also think, oh go ahead.
Oh, I was just gonna say, I think a lot of players that play heroes like Mag or big screen fighters,
they can like mentally destroy themselves when they have a bad game.
I don't think Dorachio is that type of guy.
I think he's very good at resetting after the game and just starting new
He's also won enough grand finals to be able to not let that sway my dick first game ever in this
In this event so far that we've seen invoker first phase bound by the way
Just a little respect on the BGM invoker. Yeah, I mean they beat it too, but still respecting it
That's uh, that's what I like to see. This is why team spirit
It's such a strong team when it comes to Grand Finals, like they're not...
They don't have an ego when it comes to these things.
I would love to see a collapsed Tidehunter this game. I feel like that's kind of like the budget of Badden.
Yeah, I agree. You know, you have the Crackin' Chill, you dispel the RP by taking some damage,
and then you ravage, you have the anchor to prevent his mobility.
I think the Slark was good too, though, for similar reasons.
I feel like in the second phase, we're gonna see
Some then or some pick of slack maybe like hundred takes it or something crazy like that
But I think spirit will go for to think it against both these heroes is good against in for two
It's good against Amber. Yes, like the highest winner here
This is the first game to grant finals or warlock is not bound second phase by the way
So Steve Spirit actually has their chance to get their hundred percent win right here
Never mind. They go for weaver instead
No thoughts on the weaver. It's been in every game kind of bugs me. It's looked okay
I'm glad we cut it out, man.
I'm very good.
He's looked so strong, I think, as a hero.
Just the change to the bugs and getting more EXP.
It's nice.
He's been very mobile.
One of the larger games.
It did.
I mean, none of these games where it's like Weaver is just destroying the game.
It's looked solid.
It looked normal.
Yeah.
Which is a good hero.
And the fact that Warlock PA is open is still potentially an option for Tundra because
True.
This Magnus is flexible, right? It is usually Dorachio's hero, but maybe they need something, whatever mine.
I guess to them, this is the Ember Weaver answer.
Especially Weaver.
Pretty bad for Sember, but uh, this is the other Weaver counter. They did Bane with the last game.
This guy does similar things.
Not sure if the build is anymore, because like the glimpse is good later on, but not really in the laning stage.
Did they like, have it's damage or what's bad about it in the laning phase?
Oh, it's just the first Weaver. I don't know how you've recognized it.
Oh, okay, yeah, if you can trade with the Q it'll be a lot better if he does level up
I mean, I think you got a couple in Q, but then you max glimpse, it's very valuable against his lever
because you can always kill him after he's killed you, so like...
Well, that's my question. How many points in Q does Disruptor need to trade versus a weaver?
Because if you need even two, that's still kind of a lot in my opinion.
I'm choosing Bad Bottom, so you can go 2-2-1 on Disruptor and still have high impact.
Like, level 2 glimpse does a lot.
Also, they buffed that kinetic wall. I don't know if Whitemon's gonna look to take it, but...
I'd love to see it.
He's been a disruptor specialist in his career, like I remember watching him just do
brown boots ads on disruptor when no other five player was doing this.
And then everybody started copying him.
So he definitely has a take on this hero that other players don't.
And I also want to say here I feel like Tundra, they're shifting their game plan.
They were playing really all early game before just trying to win
fairly early winning landing stage. They have the late game now.
They've got Mag, Shaker, as you mentioned, this disruptor with
Fags is pretty much the GG in the late game. They're adapting to Spirit here, which
Probably I didn't expect to see this in the series
I thought Spirit would have to adapt to Tundra
But it's actually the other way around which is my opinion the good for Spirit that they're making Tundra kind of change your game of
the bid here
But interestingly enough last game in the game before Team Spirit won the lanes versus Tundra
Like even when they have that clean spec they were winning lanes
And they just lost after a few teamfights last game as well. They were winning lanes even with their spark bane, etc
until
Tender just started to take objectives
I'm really curious if we're gonna see the air shaker go the kaiassan's build again
I think Sumail was the first one that originally went to we saw a long all go it just in that previous game
I think it might be the better build for bursting squishy heroes like the weaver and the ember
Just giving you that extra spell amp to finish them off with the echo rather than expecting
Like the axe to allow you to move like maneuver through the fights
You have the the route from the ember you have the arena from Mars that he can't jump over
So maybe rather than playing around that axe long fight you can play for that burst
It seems like the meta is kind of shifting that direction
So oh they do go for the warlock she's yeah, they still get it
Yeah, I love the warlock with Mars
I was gonna say like this feels like one of the better support combinations where like will it doesn't feel as good
Phoenix is not as reliable in terms of really game fights
but we're left when you drop the fatal bombs into that arena with the rock you're guaranteed to take any objective you want
And I also love Mars conceptually as a hero that soaks up a lot of attention
Like it was ATF who played it earlier in this tournament versus a Magnus and basically he was just like this body in front of his entire team
Like kind of telling him RP me
You are me back
I'm gonna press bull work and I'm gonna live through it and we're gonna turn the fight
And people go for the blood sport fasted now a lot of the time really that's what they're going for
Yeah, which makes you a lot more tanky and it's in a way kind of like a budget Abaddon.
I'm feeling a little worried for Tundra here because I see a like full teamfight lineup
for Tundra and even more so.
I mean, here's what's happening.
Like, you see the shaker and you see the disruptor like double down, we're going to do Marius
Warlock.
Like, oh, you're going to pick more teamfight.
We're going to pick Darkseer now.
I still think Spirit's fighting because Ember's so broken with the Mage Slayer and, you
know, weaving in and out of fights.
Okay, the Darkseer. The Weaver's gonna be doing that.
The Weaver will be doing that as well, yeah.
Mars is more like a so hard to beat in fights though.
Brian looks around at people. I got the...
They have Darkseer, Mag, Shaker, Disruptor.
Like, this is an insane game of Teamfight.
Do you think their last pick is gonna be for DiRatio in this game?
I think DiRatio has to be Mag, right?
Uh, Saxa can be Mag.
Could be. Could be, yeah.
I'm not. They're gonna ban Marcy, I imagine.
They're probably gonna ban...
It's open.
What else is there?
Actually Ricky would be insanely good for Tundra. I feel like I actually hope Team Spirit Bands are Ricky
Why would it be good?
I'm sure it's not on Tundra anymore
Fair enough, fair enough
You have the blink strike against Mars, like kind of cute, but you also have the silence versus Weaver and Ember
I just think it, and you have like heroes that will naturally follow up on the silence
You have a strong lane with the darkseer
You have empowered, you don't really have great cores to empower, so
I hope they kind of see it. It's either Ricky or bounty hunter that I think they're going to ban out here.
And they're probably going to take the other.
I mean, Ricky is interesting now with the new change to his facet. I think it's called extermination or something.
I'm looking at it.
It does 4.5. I know what it does. I played recently. It does 4.5 percent, 450 percent damage to creeps.
And every time you kill a creep with it, it reduces the cooldown by 0.75 seconds.
Oh.
So, if you just rush aggs now, it's just up more than it was previously, which means you can farm faster.
But that, and that's what Pure was doing. He was going first side of mags on this hero, and just farming up a storm.
And if you add mag on top of it, you can now cleave later on, and that can do damage to heroes, so I like the idea.
I think I would rather, like, I wouldn't mind a mag flex to 4, but I think that the issue that Doratio had last game was that
The Dark Pax was countering him, the Shield was countering him. This time around he's got a much more clear cut vision of the game and an easier execution.
So if they were to give Sox a roaming for, like the Spiritbreaker with the Ion Shell, these supports feel pretty punishable by something like an SB.
Or even a bounty hunter, which they banned out.
But if you ban Earthly, you're probably not thinking Ricky.
They also banned the Sven.
And you ban Earths that are protected from your Dark Steer, right? That's what lots of Spirit have been responding to Dark Steer lanes with.
Hey, that's them. I'm curious what they're thinking though. Which direction are you going to go Tundra?
Gonna pick a carry or are you gonna pick you couldn't you could go some four you could go something like a bat rider to just try to
Also take a pick off before the fight starts bat darks your lane. It's really strong
How is that on this patch? Is he unplayable? It's just bad against weaver. I think really bad against weaver and Mars. I
Think the lane itself would be fine for that, but I think the game itself
it's gonna be tough for like they don't need a guy that does what that does I'm
just thinking somebody to give them an option that's not just like five man
brawl and see what happens like once again all their abilities I think they
have plenty of pick off like they can use their echo slammer RP just for pick
off I guess that can skewer back always art into a Mars though and then ever I
think that they need a vision supplier because they have so many heroes to
capitalize on that vision that's why I was saying these in this heroes but
maybe they'll go completely different route I don't really like spirit breaker
yeah spirit breakers like a vision hero effectively because he's running
around the map, scouting out, charging people.
Tuss!
Hmm, okay, that's a pretty, that's like becoming a classic combo,
not only because of the iron shell and the shards that locks them in,
but the fact that the quick wit facet from Darkseer
gives you a lot more attack speed than the previous patch,
so you actually use the tag team really well in length.
They don't really have much else synergy with Tuss
in terms of the tag team throughout the rest of the game.
Nobody else is really using that. They don't have like the win ranger
we've been seeing some of even though it wasn't that great.
Our last pick I was thinking already,
Prior to the Tusk maybe a Morphling would be good. I think it will do just fine and lane against the Darkseer Tusk
And I I imagine it's better against shaker now that you keep your stats when you turn into him
I think you'd actually rather be like 3000 HP than a thousand nature. I think you'd rather have her shaker stats
There's also still PA for like the Warlock PA lane. Oh troll. Okay. Oh boy
I mean they're making new picks work like people always pick troll as a counter to Darkseer because you buy the agg
You can just follow up the surge and iron shell target. It's really good on lane
You have to sustain for more like and the waves of like it on paper troll always looks good when teams pick it
I think teams spirit is the only team that has one with a troll. Yep. They are one and oh with it
Every time it's picked into dark seer as well
Oh say the exact same thing and I always say big L dark seer taught me that dark seer is actually a counter to troll because
You're on the wall
Troll ult, he kills the illusion. The illusion continues spawning over and over and over again. It's an infinite loop
But can I add to that and say, Troll acts as counter-tush and tag team, so you're getting a double whammy counter
So maybe it's more of a like.
Yep, I heard an oof when Troll was picked
What's up with that?
It's the same thing as the Clinksheaver. Yeah, you can play it. Yeah
Maybe you can win some group stage games or against some weaker teams, but come on man against Tundra
I don't believe it. No every tell him he's down. He had done. Oh, yeah, go ahead. He told the truth
We're dawns are really good. Oh
Work
Make it believable
Are you also don't believe in the troll them? I have never believed in troll in the entire history of this year
I think conceptually is try it was a ho ho ha ha patch the troll sniper patch
Yeah, I was asked
And I will not be working with troll again
Okay, so you're you're unhappy. You're thinking we're going game five. Yeah, I just want to go to game five
I mean that's fair. I thought we were going to game five after like the first three picks
I saw Chandra team fight team fight team fight. I said, okay
I know what they're about. I know what they're about for game four and I think but they used to bear a team fight team fight
Team fight. Yeah, but they're already behind the ball. Yeah, but that was like weaver team fight team fight troll. Yeah
anti-team fight because he just dies every fight
Every player fear. Yeah, what's up troll? Yay name. I'm gonna have to go with a nay on this one too much team fight for
Troll to be successful here a bunch of doubters. That's where I got in the studio
Let's see if team spirit can prove them wrong and take this championship or maybe we're going to a game number five
Let's head over to cap and Avery
Been doubted a few times in their runs
So I don't think they might being doubted on their draft
they always find a way to be able to clutch things out, but is this too much
Avery for them to be able to overcome. I saw Tundra pick up a whole bunch of teamfight at the start
And I was just like, okay, they're done losing to Spirit on teamfights. I
Also feel as though that was the biggest adjustment they made after they talked about that previous game
We just don't want to get out fought in the late game
Even though I think that previous line up had a decent amount of it and they go back for the Dorachio Magnus
I'm contentious I think after some of the plays in the previous game.
Can he return to form on this hero?
Team spirit trying to lure in Tundra in this top lane.
We're gonna have a, I'm not, maybe a fight here for the bounty runes but instead he'll
easily chase him away and claim their two.
I just think Darkseer Magnus or Darkseer Shaker is always a strong combination.
You can always win a fight at any point in the game with a good vacuum.
That shaker was doing some work, Lasky.
I was under happy they got to steal it out here, give it a good matchup in mid-two.
Very solid hero for VZM.
I'm liking that pick.
I think it creates a really nice focal point for this lineup.
Then you just have a bunch of AoE and control on top of it.
You have one of the other good support counters to Weaver.
Last game we saw the Bane.
This time we see the Disruptor.
We see often but very good matchup versus support weaver guaranteed catch static storm ruins this hero
Static storm in general this game honestly looks pretty solid
You're not gonna have super early BKB's out from spirit here
You could really mess a lot of their cores up on top of the support duo. We'll see how good
white mon is with his kinetic fences
Because you know glimpse is really good against weaver, but also kinetic fields was
You know, just glimpse it back into the AWP, you've dropped a sentry, can't leave that area, you know, but...
I'm not sold on kinetic fence in general.
You know, like, the yield is just guaranteed?
Like, that's why you pick it, right?
Be able to glimpse this weaver into a field?
Yep, it's simple.
There's a lot of ways this fence can go wrong.
It can be really cool around objective lights and stuff.
I just think it's more hit-or-miss for me.
Maybe I'm just old, you know.
I'm an old school disruptor player.
You definitely are old. That doesn't mean you're wrong.
All right, well, you're supposed to back me up, man.
I do think that...
One of the things that stood out for me...
They got their hands on the warlock, right? Team Spirit.
They're matched up against four melee heroes.
I feel like this could be some pretty devastating
Golem Fatal Bond situations going on.
It's a good point.
There's gonna be a lot of clumping from this Tundra lineup, especially when they go in for the Wombo combo.
You have that turn against you with a nice Bonds Golem Arena drop.
Throw the Storm in there, everybody gets slided.
There's some decent Rebuggle on Spirit.
The one downside is I think, how much burst damage are they capable of doing as this game goes later?
If Darkseer gets Ores, if Darkseer ends up with a classic Greaves pipe, it's not a build we're going for,
going more but imagine he has those ore items. That T-Fight looks kind of difficult for Spirit.
Sure. There's some dispels that can be built on the side of Tundra. Pretty solid ore game.
You go in there after the first round of spells go off. The arena, the sphere, the pushback,
the bonds, whatever. Slight comes through. Then there's kind of nothing. Then it's just up the
troll. I feel like Tundra have the better draft here in this game for... I would not
be surprised if you go game five. However, Spirit are in really good form right now. I
I think that goes without saying, and are probably capable of winning with anything.
Which is good, because they're kind of picking anything here.
So if you win a Grand Finals and you win a tournament with Troll Warlord,
that takes some, like, box on radons.
I've done everything in Dota chart.
Yeah, has Troll ever been on the TI winning hero list?
No.
He's never been one of the statues, right?
I can't say that for 100%, but I feel like I can say for 99%.
I don't think he's ever been on one of those statues.
Uh, you know who has the most though?
Uh, Furion?
Actually, it might be Furion.
Yeah. I was thinking it was Tiny at some point.
But it might be Furion.
Stupid Mickey.
Stupid sexy Mickey in his Furion.
Yeah, Furion is a... See, that's all the time about conceptual hero designs.
Furion is just a strong design.
Yep.
Though things that a hero can do when he's good are extremely abusive.
Then there's here like Troll.
Who kind of abuses himself.
With his ultimate.
Snowball sticking on top of Rodan here.
Axe is only 2 so much.
It's not the right flicks that he's dying to.
It's the Ion Shell. Burn him in the out.
Soxa has to run for it.
3-3 low mana.
Yeah, he does have a surge but these final hands are probably going to do it.
Yeah, that's going to be first blood for Maposhka.
They tried to man up with the level 3.
3 didn't invest in the tag team because of the axes.
Sure.
Heal didn't get the kill.
The Warlocks of Stange is so strong.
Almost got both.
Sox is going to TP all the way back,
so this is going to leave the Darkseer alone for a bit,
even when he does return to lane.
That's an expensive death for Tundra.
They were pretty much free farming that Darkseer lane.
They were chilling.
They were in control of it.
Yeah, top 3 CS in all lanes.
And it did go to Maposhka, so yeah.
For Don a little sad, he did not get that gold injection, but this will finish up his phase boots.
Really big on this one.
And let's not forget the grimoire stacks that come from that.
Wait a minute up here now though.
We're gonna get even more aggressive. The tusk is not here though.
Yeah, trying to do this without the tusk, the TP comes in from Rue.
They even things out, and even get the numbers advantage.
No, it wasn't even necessary.
I think it was more poke play than anything else.
Expensive one.
So what do you think now the play is they're gonna go back through the gate and try and kill Collapse?
I don't like they can. I just think it was an awkward timing there for the supports to try and make that play on the side of Tundra.
Might bleed out another support kill if they're not careful.
Rue hits him with the bugs and Radon should be able to collect with no snowball escape.
Got him. Got his carry though.
feeding the troll. Meanwhile mid lane, uh, Laurel does manage to force BCM off the lane.
They had to go back, heal up. Now BCM is still in a great position, CS-wise.
Obviously Laurel's done super well in this lane, I think. Yeah, he has.
There even XP, got the six-minute power rune, a little luck there, but haste rune will go a long way.
He's barely behind in this matchup. Super nice outcome for the Ember spirit.
It's supposed to be a very solid lane for the shaker, but Laurel putting in some work.
VZM gonna have to make up for it in the fights.
The Rock Show getting harassed a little bit here.
Those have Lotus though.
And some spiders.
Got him on the fence!
Very nicely played.
Soxa rotating in with the Ion Shell makes this very easy.
Galax trying to fight back VZM.
He almost stole it with the Fissure.
He was just about to lay it down, but...
Laurel hastened to this Wisdom Shrine fight, so Spirit can man up here.
They have the Ember support coming in, and yet Tundra just bailed. That is absolutely the correct call here.
They would've gotten Masked on that room.
Instead, Laurel may be trying to steal some stacks, and they're gonna get both Wisdom Shrines.
Yeah, that's gonna put them way behind.
That is really rough for this Tusk who...
Did not get anything off that top lane, so it's very low level now.
Again, a situation where we see the support suffering on the laning phase.
You talked about how that slows down the game, or Tundra puts them off their timing.
They're going to have massive level lead if you combine the fact that Moposhka can use his 3 stat Grimoire for level 6 if you wanted to.
Oh yeah, they're really far ahead.
Gonna have to get the levels back in the fight, or some core kills using ults.
ults, RP on a lane, Echo Slam, something of this nature, maybe 33 joins a bit earlier
than he wants to. Looking for aiming a power rune.
I charge, so the block, Malpho is going to try and go for the steal, it ends up being
top, where the supports will squabble over it, deny a shield rune.
Did they squabble up or down?
I believe they squabbled up because he was up.
Just checking our kindred.
BGM, going to get nuked down.
Looking at this situation, just looking pretty juicy. Snowball attempting to dodge some of his damage.
A flight is going to be up as soon as he comes back down to the goal. He's going to be used. Echo slam.
Tries to finish off a poshka. He's put against the shard, back against the wall, gets vacuumed back into his depth.
But BZM still burnt out, and Sox is going to die as well. This golem is just too strong. 33.
He battles the Naka tower. He's going to kill it. Yes, he's a little bit low though. Rue.
He's got stick charges. He can pop time locks as well if he needs to.
Support level 8, he goes, okay, and away he doesn't go.
Now, he's gonna hit him on the fence.
Three seconds as a fairy fire, and he gets them in the end.
Almost pushed him away with the electromagnetic repulsion.
Meanwhile, Laurel jumps the other side of that fence.
Easily gets the cleanup, and he still has flight.
Decides the 33 is a bit too tanky.
Understandably, he's got a vanguard.
Not an easy kill to get with physical damage.
Very close to the tier 2 as well, support's coming back in.
You don't want to use all your mana, get stuck in no man's land.
Has one remnant available.
The ult's really support levels for Spirit, waiting out there.
In fact, you just have the ult's online before Tundra do.
It's massive.
And the support's dying there. Not a lot of XP going to the Slark either, so they're gonna make up for it with some stat clearing.
Need the static storm. That's a big component of your early game.
Whitemon still making plays without it?
It's just so limited in what you can do in terms of control versus the Ember.
I will say Tundra have a lot of
locking mechanisms in his life.
You have Pissure, kinetic field, Darkseer Wall,
Ice Shards,
then you get Skewer back in and then refield it.
It's hard for a spirit to walk in this game.
They're not going to be able to walk very easily.
That sounds like a problem with a hero who can attack heroes really quickly, but has to kind of walk up to them to do so
That's a pretty good boss with the damage ember. It's looking pretty nice. Laurel's just gonna keep pushing forward. Oh my god
Get the hell out of there! Run! Laurel does too much damage with the fatal bombs and the damage!
Oh! So much damage!
How much damage was that that one slight? I think it was 3-10 per slight hit. Yikes!
Two splites, he killed two supports.
Radon, he beat the bottom lane because Collapse wants to make a play for it.
With the arena, Doracho had already used his skewer, already used his RP.
He has no defense mechanisms, nice heads-up play from Collapse and Radon.
Doracho just continues to suffer in this series.
He's really been underperforming relative to the benchmark he set throughout the event.
Part of that is, I think, Spirit shutting him down a bit in the Draft,
and we have to lane against Collapse, that doesn't help.
This is just see you later
That must have felt so sad, oh, yeah
On the topic Dorachio, I mean you you pulled this question up in green room Dorachio has never beaten spirit in a grand final
For a long time the game of gladiators line up
They didn't really play against spirit many grand finals and then obviously notoriously they played up against them the TI finals and
and did not go well for them.
Unlucky matchup for them, you know?
Yeah, but this is a matchup that stretches all the way back
to Dorachu's time on Winstrike when Spirit wasn't really
the big name that they were.
And he lost to Grand Finals in some random online cup,
two to three against Spirit.
I think there's some truth in this matchup
because if you look at Dorachu,
it's defining characteristic as a carry is the aggression.
Yes.
The snowball, the running around the map early,
just taking over games, not relenting.
You have a few bad deaths here or there,
but ultimately he still closes it out.
And I think Spirit are just the ultimate team at bending,
but not breaking.
Yeah, but you're gonna be aggressive versus team.
You can put them in the hole,
but they will still find ways to win that team fight.
So it doesn't really matter if you're that aggressive
unless you completely route them, which is rare.
Yeah.
Usually when they make it to a finals,
they're in pretty good form.
I think they're just a tough team to route.
Like they hold their own in lanes.
They're not going to beat you in the lanes, but they hold their own.
There's another game, right?
They didn't destroy Tundra in the lanes, but they held their own completely.
They found little openings and now you're at a spot where you're starting to think,
oh, this game is going to go late again.
Yeah.
And do we have the scale and the team fight to take that?
And I think Tundra addressed it in the draft, but I think for a player like
Tarantio, it's, it can be a tough matchup.
And I think we saw in particular him on those gaming grand finals of the
series where they played them.
That was a brick wall that gaming ran into.
They were unable to run Spirit over
and it just turned into Spirit's game.
Yeah, I mean, just thinking about the,
Spirit made a name for themselves at that TI 10 finals, right?
Playing defensively around Vision
and picking off heroes that move into their area.
We've seen it a few times here in this series.
You have to match them in the team fight department.
Like that's, most of the time I've seen Spirit
get beaten in these big series
is when you can match their teamfight prowess.
That was my reaction after this light came through.
Oh!
The more I look at that, it looks like something else.
Oh, I'll buy Pasa.
I think if you can match them in terms of teamfighting skill,
that's one part of it, but also confidence.
To be a good grand final team,
you have to be confident in what you're doing.
I think Spirit show it in some of their
unconventional picks, like they're willing to do
anything and adapt.
I think Tundra have shown it
in their ability to adjust their pace and playstyle very drastically in a series.
Yeah.
Earlier in the year, we saw them go down O2 right, and they made their reverse sweep.
They adjusted that really quickly.
And they're also not afraid to pick some unconventional stuff.
So I think these two teams have a lot of similar characteristics.
It's just a matter of who gains these slight advantages in those departments.
Any other heroes that you want to talk about that we didn't get a chance to attack
here in the laning phase?
about the clink again. I mean, what is up with what is going on with clink?
I mean, what's the funniest thing this the last year, the whole season? I'm
checking up on your Toros, you know, pub games, what he's playing, everybody else
is playing, you know, these sort of like, you know, aggressive carries. And this
man's still just rocking the hard carries all the time. And he's picking
the heroes that nobody else is picking. He's playing the clinks, he's picking the troll,
like, you know, it's just like, oh my god.
Because he's a hipster. Remember, his original TI run, he played a different carry every game.
Yeah.
He's just a hipster carry-hard. He doesn't want to beat you. He wants to beat you on
the garbage, so then he can really shove it in your face, you know.
Like, I wasn't even playing the good carries. And I still beat you, so that's how bad
you are.
I think he gets a little extra enjoyment.
And this will be the ultimate test
The troll which is not held in high regard
I mean this heroes playable though. Many players. I would rate troll higher than clink's person. That might be a controversial statement, but I would. I
Dependent on matchup. I think this is maybe a better matchup for troll than the game was for clink's
Yes, and I think that's why I'd rate him higher
I think in a lot of situations you're gonna see troll. He has clear matchup purposes than when you see clicks
Okay, but what makes a clink ski?
I mean you could you could tell me a lot of stuff, but I'm not gonna believe
What makes a troll game? I don't know
You know you're carry out a few too many beers the night before like that. I can look I can buy into that
You know no accusations here. I'm not not
Not a 20. I'm not a tweeting man. Yeah, I mean you Toro has had a long day. He's been on camera for most of it
so yeah i didn't realize i kind of forgot the racha was in this game so it was a
it was a bad bad joke to make we'll pass that itemization looking forward we've got the
battle theory for uh redawn heavens halbert is going to be a choice for uh 33 no surprise when
you're matched up against her troll can we talk about the battle theory for a second yeah what
I cannot be the can we open the item inventory
You hate the double bra I hate I also hate the double bra shorts. This is looks bad, man
Every time I see this I think somebody miss bought. Yep same. I think they miss bought items like that's all I see
Oh, he missed me. He messed up it up. He's going to items like this has to be changed for aesthetic purposes
I agree. Maybe it's balance? I don't care. Just change it. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad for the game
You know what what we got to capture the youth audience. You're not gonna get him with this kind of stuff. Come on
So it's got to be cleaner. It's got to be better. Potential League of Legends players watching this game going that guy
He's got two of the same item. Exactly
You have to dump it down a little. Get that league conversion
Well, it's dumber than buying two of the same item. That's three of the same
As there ever been an item with three of the same components, uh, I don't think so.
We had the refresher that was double perseverances, but three, I don't think there's ever been
three.
I'll tell you, back in the total one days, I used to, I used to be a five point booster
OD connoisseur.
Did you know that build in like the really old Dota days, you used to just be able
to go point boosters on OD and push his max mana up.
Yeah, you can just kill people like really early on in the game because it was the most efficient increased man up pool
Hmm. I was saying I was a potter sir that I
Was a random sit-in secret shop for a few extra seconds for the tickled to buy
The ring of health right away
Show up to show up to lane. Oh, you're the guy that's AFK for a minute
And then came back and complained on the bike. What's my lane losing?
Yeah, that's why NA Dota has a bad name because of you, Austin. Thank you.
I was also a Helm of Dominator enigma player.
Ugh!
What?
Ugh!
Dude, back in the day, Dota 1, Helm of Dom actually had some crazy stats.
It was still built up with a Helm of Iron Will, so it gave you armor and reach-in.
It was a pretty efficient item.
Well, it was a stat item for a long time, too, I think.
It just had stats associated with it imagine there was a neutral creep that had a vacuum ability
So you could vacuum people in your black hole with helmet dominated in it go
Yeah, I feel like we're already getting to neutral creep power creep
I don't know if I like so much what like the doom being able to get his own mini ravage
I don't know. I don't know if I like that one. Okay, but I don't know that looks a little dangerous
Hear me out on this one Austin, huh?
Parity right Dota's game of parody bounce in all things
Doom can get sent our stop. What about sent our being able to get doom?
What's that even parody in all things what is that even mean two minutes of pause time?
Yes, holy holy swapping out PC. So hopefully the guy's swapping out the PCs are fast
No problem. I can control three heroes Radon don't give a book
I think he just doesn't want to play the troll, he's like...
Yeah, I'll play the Ember, I'll play the Marge, I'll play the Ember.
Yeah, there are heroes to play, please.
I'll beat you with both hands, I was only using one up till now.
Can you imagine? He plays three cores at once.
What does Yatoro look like as a mid or off-lane player?
Probably like Artizzi when he was mid.
He plays carries.
Mid-drow, you know?
Look like a Mar in the off-lane?
I don't I can't I can't see
We're not playing all play honestly. It's just too much too much eating creeps. Yeah, I don't see he could play mid for sure
But it would have to be the right patch. Yeah, what is that?
Squirrel, it's so cute
Or just chipmunk. I'm not a biologist man
Start rode into some kind. Oh this guy got messed up. Oh
Yeah, I can't get up
up
Butterfly or boss
I'm gonna say that's a butterfly and the ghosts of Mars
Why are the whole still shields there? Is that a particle effects?
They come and they go oh
multi-language now any translators
Who silent into discord what I assume that's not actually silent. I assume that's
Well, maybe the players it could be coaches are allowed to listen because that is a thing
No, okay. Yeah, I don't know if that's for the whole non-rule set, but
It could be my assumption. I mean they're running out of time here
So what happens? Did they get time can tundra give them their time or tundra's gonna
Be down a game in the series, you know, I think you think tundra's the kind of team
I feel like most other teams would give time like you don't want to beat someone cuz they oh see now
Now you're setting the precedent you're setting the price most you don't it seems each implies that a tunder
Don't give them their pause. No, no, I'm not saying that they're completely in the right to do whatever the admin says
That's only ultimately what you should do sure
I think most older players. They don't actually want to win just cuz you see it pubs. Yeah, they're gonna spam that on
I mean, this would have been on pause
20 minutes ago if this were a problem, I don't know I think we learned something recently about you know
I still don't know players will do the guy writes in chat like my house is burning out and my dad's dying
They're like jamming the umpaw's button. It sucks for you brother. Let's go or like Brian and that that skit
getting murdered
Help I think I was fake
Yeah, I did see Brian later on he seems like it was okay. What do you think that guy's name is?
We can go check. Hello. Hello. We uh, we should be underway here
hopefully soon they only said they knew a couple more minutes and grand finals
in your time so you played a honor back to this
anytime Austin is challenged to find a topic to fill with he just goes to my
career because it's it's easy picking interest easy taking a guy while he's
down I was gonna talk about how you won a tournament back in the 90s valve
Miner when you used to play against milkmen in the back back straight there boy
Who did you play your final against in the GSC was it Thailand?
I don't want to go back to that shit. Why not?
You winning the tournament. What was the name of that team? It was a Chinese team. It's like dark zero or something
Okay, dark was on that team. I don't know they beat like e g and secret to get there
And then we just cleaned house. That was easy. Wait, was that like a 3-0 sort of situation?
Yeah, we do. I played warlock in game 3. My team had no faith in it. Except Rezo.
Yeah, Rezo had your back? Yeah. Rezo always has your back until it goes wrong.
And he's like, I knew that one. Were you a dictator when it came to picks?
Were you taking it to your own? No. But I would just pick. I mean,
every captain will ultimately just pick their own hero at some point.
Yeah, because you have to have confidence. You can be like, oh, what should I play guys?
They should play ogre magic. We're kind of captain to that
You know, you just got to like slam the dick on the table and be like it's warlock time, baby
It's gonna work and then if you go 0 and 8 you just yo what what the fuck was my carry doing like obviously that game was on him
You know, I mean of note. You're also up to games
Yeah, see to pick whatever it's easier at that point. That's a good point Austin
It's easier to pick unconventional heroes when you're up in a series, right?
Maybe that's why we see some of the trolls coming out and like
Unconventional heroes for spirit. They're confident. So you feel in it. You think metaphorically. This is your Toro
Putting it out there. Yeah, probably but he probably genuinely thinks the hero is good because okay, so here's another issue
Right, let's say you're your tour. You're playing all these pubs your highest MMR in the world
I mean there's like 10 win traders above you, but you're basically highest actual MMR in the world
I don't know. It's Europe. There's some guy here up here
So probably placent, you know self-creation. Yeah, there's a couple hero scammers are probably like 50 win traders ahead of you
But you're okay, so you're your tour you're like
ranked 60
Hi, and you are you can go in that pub. You're gonna get carried who's gonna argue with you
You're gonna get carry roll. Yeah, as long as you're not on a team with Seb, you're gonna get last pick
You're gonna play whatever you want
And you're probably gonna destroy the game because you're playing against some like
Smurf slash booster because every game has smurfs and boosters in it, right?
Uh-huh. And you're gonna demolish him on lane. So you're already 3k ahead. You're gonna own the game. You're gonna go 20
No, of course, you're gonna think every hero you play is broken
So he probably plays 10 games a troll goes like a combined KDA of
630 and then he's like team this year was absolutely busted. Is that realistic Austin?
Is that realistic? I looked at his pub history when it came to playing clinks. He was losing more pubs than he was winning
So that says that's really bad, that's why I think that hero is really bad.
You know, if Yatoro can't beat European Smurfs with a hero, you're in trouble.
You're in uncariable territory.
Yeah, I think Valve honestly looks at that and that's how they determine how to buff and nerf heroes.
What? Yatoro's...
Yeah, like, can Yatoro win with this carry, you know?
They watch him play Juggernaut, that hero's right on the line.
Yeah.
They're like, ah, shit, he's kind of winning with it, but we know it's bad.
But we can't buff it.
What do you do?
Is that why, because Yurtaro has just been winning with Juggernaut for the last 10 years?
Well, not competitively, not much, not competitively. I can't even remember the last finals it had Juggernaut.
It's been a minute for sure, probably like, I don't know, TI2 or something.
Yeah, I don't even know.
Some healing ward, high ground push, TI4 meta stuff or something?
Yeah, some Vici gaming meta.
No.
Don't know care players are wild dude care players are wild. We got one player back in the game. Well, I was back into it
Yeah, we're on our way
But I was going to ask you the whole point was in a grand finals
Ah, yes
What's your question you people have the experience in a grand finals when you go into a grand finals?
How different is your match prep?
For your matchup well our prep was not good
Why not it should have been better looking back. I on average. It's a lot more
Okay, you're a lot more prepared if as well
If you're the team that's waiting, you also are watching, so...
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say.
In that situation, you were the waiting team?
Sometimes, yeah.
In your grand finals.
I wasn't a major grand finals, you know.
Maybe it's LGD in China.
That was tough.
You know, you wanna hear a biased crowd?
Oh my god, play in a major finals against the Chinese team in China.
What's your number one side?
That was the most one-sided audience I have ever been.
Like ever I'm telling you LG I like they get a d-word in that game
Crazy
There's like one guy in the back
They escort that guy out sir, you're gonna be the disturbance you gotta leave most one side cross it ever seen my life
It was kind of fun though. It's kind of fun. We ought to but what tournament was that what?
What tournament what team?
Shane do major okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I think I casted that but I was not
There I think that was the one the BTS did remote coverage for yeah, we crushed that term and then lost horribly
It was actually interesting finals because I think we had the metamore figured out and LG just stole all our heroes
And then picked them ahead of us and I was not prepared for me doing that at all
I was like, oh, I was like, wait, what do we pick against this?
This is what we've been picking and we think it's broken so you can't counter it
So they just picked it and then we just go out of counter it because that's what we've been playing that we always broken
Like actually, that's so funny because every single time that situation happens
I think I think we did panel for that and cast or something like that every single time that situation happens
We're on panel or talking about. Oh, yeah, look at that. They're taking a bunch of the heroes
But they're playing against the team who set the meta with these heroes. They know exactly how to counter it
I could almost guarantee you there was a panel where somebody said exactly that. Oh 100% yeah
You heard the booth going. I don't know how to counter this guy. I think it's 50-50. I think half the time
Teams know exactly what to do against it. They thought it out and this day in Agent Dota
I think that's more common. Sure, sure, but I think there's been a lot of instances where teams are like, uh, I
Think the heroes completely busted. I don't know what to do against it
Like do you remember what the heroes were that were busted? It was a like death profit gyro meta
Okay, yeah, Tuscar was super strong. It was like a roaming melee for meta
Roaming melee for a big team fight. I mean, I remember we did it on
Determined we played
What was it the manila manila masters the EG one when I was coaching them. I remember part of it was that
It was newbie I think we played against probably there's a Chinese team and they were running this dual-roam night stalker maiden strategy
And part of it was like we should just steal the night stalker
Okay, we should just like play their duo against him if it comes to it
And you did that yeah, they got really mad I think
Thank you one with it. I mean we also had some some plays by Sumail that you know
I think we had a lot of really good strategy stuff and then some ale went 15
That's the truth though. No one wants to talk about this, but like brother is
Easy to be on a team when you have generational players like come on dude
Like yeah, he's silent one of the greatest coaches of all time. Yeah, for sure
Undoubtedly, there's no debate. He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. Uh-huh, but
But like, you know
He had two generational talents arguably and they have definitely proven that yeah
Yeah, it's like when I coached a male like was I a good coach?
No, but I looked like I was because that guy at the time was in this way of the world and could carry a lot of games
You know, so it helps it helps to have some talent on your roster to bail you out sometimes
So do you sympathize?
With the very recycled joke at this point in time of the the Bulba just picking storm spirit
For some mail. Yeah, he was trying to get the talent to bail him out. You know, it's like, oh, we're in a whole
Pick storm and then if you lose, well, it's all too male
He had his best hero is signature hero, you know, I didn't you won me fight the game
Wasn't a draft error. Yeah, that's a
So I think did you ever do that? No
No, I don't believe I never had such a generation
I
Mean most of I feel like there's two kinds of noted players are players that are
Okay in terms of the generational talents there's generational talents that are kind of flexible and they're like oh play with the teams playing
I'll gel in and there's generational talents who ask for their hero and you give it to them every time
Okay, or they get real assault. Which one was the male?
All right, I'll let you figure out the guess about which I think he was more in the middle than people think
Okay, he was very willing to almost always play what people did until like Kate until you're like losing. Yeah
It's like all right. I'm done like this shit. The other thing is he would call
I mean back this way back in the day
He would just call like for a matchup that was terrible on paper, but he knew he would win it because the other guy was trash
You know, so he'd just say that
You know like there's some ti games where he he would ask for like ember in the razor
And he killed the razor twice. There's a game where that happened and it's like
Yeah, I mean sure, you know like what okay, I guess you can do that
Because his argument is not that ember is better than razor. It's like I'm just gonna own this guy
So pick it for me because I'm better. That's my draft
Was there a larger
Idea that like oh the hero it's a bad lane matchup, but I'll be good for the no
He's just better. I was just like I'm gonna get on this guy. He's better in lane. He's better in game
He's gonna own him in every area of the game. That's how soon male thought and that's how generational talents think I guarantee you every generation
Talents played this game has had a part of them the things like that like I'm just better than my opponent
So I can play anything I can do anything and I'm just gonna beat him. That's your that's your self-confidence. That's your self image
Going up against your ego and hopefully you're somewhere in the middle, right?
But there is definitely less room for that sort of thing, right?
The skilled gap back then of some male versus every other midlaner was massive, right?
Now you don't have the room to just be like, I'm just gonna outplay this guy.
I don't know. We're on pick and troll. Just pick and troll. I'll play him.
Yeah
The gap is a lot smaller nowadays. I
Think that was the widest gap that's ever existed. So
It's easy to use that as an example, but you're probably never gonna see that again. Yeah
Pretty hard to recreate that
Too much learning nowadays. That's the problem with Dota. It's like 20 nerds in this game
They're all studying data. They're all studying Dota buff and replays and like you do an item build and 10,000 people dissect it within the hour
It's just it's insane
How do you get away with anything anymore?
There's no feel.
The heart of the game is...
Where's the heart, Austin?
I mean, the argument for Dota and feel...
Uh, can't have a minimum of four players ready at 21.35.
Okay, so we have about eight minutes where we'll get an update here one way or the
other.
There's a lot of more stories to tell.
We're running out here.
So when it came to the players that you coached or played with, was Samail the most talented player?
I really dig it into this area, huh?
I mean, yeah, I'm going to stay Samail, I'm going to be mad.
And now who's second?
In terms of raw skill?
Sure.
I mean, skill comes in a lot of different forms in Dota, right? You can be a really
cerebral player, you can be a very instinctual player.
Yeah.
So what are you just talking about? Like, you're an adulterated feel for the game?
whatever your read is
it wasn't fear
because he's watching right now to throw him under the bus a little bit
honestly I mean I think the easy answer is I
okay
that guy just has some weird six cents for the game
like he just knows what to do
so he was more of a gut player in that regard
I think he's one of the greatest instinctual players ever yeah
I think instinctual players
I've always thought like do instinctual players know they're instinctual though
Because I think in their mind they have very good reasons for doing everything if you extracted that from them
It would seem more cerebral than the actual sure sure
But I don't know you just get a sense like people just have a feel being in the right place at the right time
You know
Building some right item in a game you never seen them build before that kind of thing to me just strikes more instinct than I
Nerded this out before the game and brought it in right? Yeah, like I think 33s are very cerebral player
Obviously his instincts very good
Yeah, but I can see him having thought things out before or theory craft them or tested them
right and then if they're implemented in a game or is I think someone like Xi is like he's free flowing, you know
he's an artist. Just paint a painting and you lose and so your argument is we're losing the artists of Dota 2
and we're getting too many of the scientists. They're getting grinded out man, one stat sheet at a time.
That's why I never liked stats. Isn't that just the natural progression of 80s?
Right from the heart Austin. Any e-sport? Isn't that just the natural progression modernization of...
It's sad.
Look at baseball. I got taken over by statisticians.
I don't even know that's true. I don't watch baseball, but that's what people always complain about. So maybe either.
Maybe it's true. We need more artistry.
What you have to keep in order to keep your community alive.
How do you even get that in the first place though?
You you build a sense, honestly Val did a very good job of it.
Uh-huh. I think one of the ways you can grow artistry is by
creating desperation
You know you starve someone they will produce greatness and that's what ti was about ti was a
Experiment to induce high-stress environments
So that you could produce the best storylines and thus captivate an audience and players to be the next generation to come back next year
so you're saying
Valve is not a company that makes games or a company who's making psychological stuff.
Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. It's part of it for sure. And I think there's definitely
a boardroom at that company that thinks about this stuff, maybe even enjoys it a little
bit if you know what I'm saying. The psychology of getting people to buy games.
I can confidently say that because I don't think they're watching this right now. What
time is it? It's 12.30.
They're definitely watching this right now.
Well, pretty West Coast.
It is straight up noon.
Somebody's on their lunch break.
Yeah, did I mention Val was never
made a single mistake in the history of Dota 2?
They are just killing it.
Killing it right now.
Have you ever thought about what you would be able to do
as a coach if you would be able to pause Dota midway
through the game, right?
Like Counter Strike is able to have
pauses between rounds, right?
Coach can come in, step in, be like, yo,
This is what we need to change up, boys.
Do you ever wish there was something like that in Dota?
From a increase the complexity in the skill level of the game, yes,
but I think it would.
I don't think you want to pause Dota.
I think as we sit and pause, I think there's a natural flow to the game
and that is part of it.
Yeah.
And not being able to reset all the time is part of the beauty of the game.
But you can go on till you can get momentum swings.
I don't think you should be able to interrupt that.
I think that would only enable the scientists even more.
Exactly, we don't want the scientists in Dota.
We want dumb people with a lot of heart.
That's what we want, you know?
And that's why you have us cast in the finals.
Exactly, people relate to that.
They find common ground in it
because they know that people who play Dota,
they're desperate, they're hungry,
and they relate to each other's manic depression,
you know, that's what it's about.
It's a community that has certain characteristics
that traverse the globe, go beyond boundaries, Austin.
That's the beauty of the game.
Yeah, as a wise man said, what is it?
The culture of Dota supersedes, where you've come from?
That's true.
I've never, I've only heard that once.
Definitely not.
I'm looking at you.
I'm not repeating my dreams.
I see the panelists here.
I was leading that into, you know,
what if the analyst could go ahead
jump in midway through a series and give a good breakdown oh I think they heard
that one oh that was nice bill really good stuff so far really great
talk about the male game for 20 minutes I think they're they're selling bug with
like a count or something I think this is gonna be a death loss yeah it is
actually what we're looking at just to give a little heads up what game five
fell yeah at the end of the least is not the end of the tournament man the
series that way that would be pretty nasty. I mean rules are rules you have to
just go with it. I feel like I haven't had something like this happen since like
the Skype DDoS days. Oh don't remind me of that. The finals. Don't remind me of that.
Those days man being a caster was just like it was a crap shoot you know
you're just rolling the dice every single day you show up you've got no
co-caster your solo casting a game it ends up being a 50 minute pause. What
do is stuck out there and what happened in like big big games big playoffs big
grand finals happen all the time I remember playing in my teammates would get
that DDoS all the time we've lost series because it was brutal Skype sucks it's
always who do you think the culprit was on your team I know I was like
leaked all the time God damn MSS and you are there were the two who got hacked
all in God damn time and they didn't do the fixes or whatever throwing them
under the bus a little bit. Sure. Mojo trying it. You are definitely did not.
You are just didn't care. We've got two minutes left on the ruling here. So we should be able to have an update for you guys one way or another in just a little bit. But anything else you want to talk about for a couple more minutes?
I think you did a great job digging into my personal history and making me revisit your personal history is interesting and applicable to Dota.
It's true.
Not for me.
Yeah, that's fair.
Why didn't you ask me a question?
I just don't care.
I just don't care about your personal history, Austin.
I feel like I've asked the questions I wanted to in the time I've got to know you and
I've known all I want to and I'll leave it at that.
Not very many questions.
Would you like to ask a question about...
I know some things about you.
I knew you used to drive a forklift.
It's true.
I did do that.
He's a man of the people.
Working man.
We can go down and break down the history of this tournament.
We're running out of stories there, because we can talk about how these two teams got here
in the first place, Team Spirit and Tundra, and take a look at the bracket and how these
two teams ended up to get here.
Because it is pretty funny how like, PartyVision was looking like the hot team that would
definitely make the finals and ends up falling to Team Spirit to one.
I could not believe that Spirit managed to clutch it out not once but twice in two games that the
100% should have lost. I could easily believe that. If there's one team in the world, I could believe that of it is them
The greatest clutch comeback team of all time. Yeah
Every single time we say that I'm just waiting for the step, you know
It's coming. He's been typing it up for half a year now. It's a tweet longer seven thousand word essay
on why OG is actually the greatest team in the world.
Which do you think it is?
Now that we're in this debate, peak OG vs. peak spirit.
That's your only two choices, right? No one else comes close to them.
If you're picking any other team, you're a fool, or you're biased.
There was something truly special about OG and the story
and the things they brought to the game.
And they will always have a place in Dota.
This is one of the two best teams to ever do it.
To ever touch this.
Okay, argument, okay.
But there's a blood coming.
But I'm gonna go touch it.
I'm gonna go spirit.
You're gonna go spirit.
I think it's a heart and mind thing.
What?
Oh, okay.
You know, most people's mind tells them one way and their heart tells them another.
Just a question of where your heart is.
Okay.
And some people's heart is with OG because that arrow was the best.
Wait, which way do you go?
Because I know your heart belongs to spirit.
You're gonna tell me you have your monitor.
I do know that.
Don't tell me where my heart belongs.
I see the way you blush whenever you mention you throw a snake.
That's not true.
You can't say I'm heartless and then say my heart is in a certain direction at the
same time.
That's unfair.
Which is it?
Huh?
I was reading though.
I hate you.
Such a bad friend.
I'll tell you.
My heart, my heart is with spirit.
You are correct.
My mind is with OG.
Okay, give me the argument for it.
I think OG, if you look at it from a pure gameplay standpoint, had the cleanest execution
of a meta versus the opponents of all time.
Which I think is a little underrated.
Because if you're actually looking for the best team, I think that speaks for a
lot.
Well, we are...
I'm trying to convince myself here.
I think you need some more time to be able to wrangle yourself to truly believe what you're saying.
But we are going to go to a bit of a break here, and hopefully we come back.
We will have the conclusion of Game 4, Spirit vs Thunder.
Making up, playing some Dota. It's just been part of my life for 20 years, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
where we are in the history of this game and where it's come from and how much it's been accomplished.
I think compared to basically any other esport it's the best, so...
I'm grateful for Dita2 as a game because Dota as a culture supersedes where we come from.
You are a Dota player first and I love that.
Welcome to the Fat Farmed Quiz of the Year and in this quiz we have a bunch of questions
Four, actually. All about...
Four questions? What a shit quiz!
What the hell? Four questions?
Penalty, you cursed.
I got mics up for this.
Alright, let's do the quiz.
All the questions are about 2024
and the answers should only be based on data of 2024.
All professional tournaments count unless specified otherwise.
qualifiers of those sort of and count unless specified otherwise this is
bullshit this guy played like half you can't have them but I don't remember
that I was drunk we got ourselves od pixel and gunner hello or otherwise known
as today we're smooth balls it's not our fault it's their fault they started
it and then we just had to join but they've just been by childish with an
smooth balls they will go up against cap and SVG otherwise known as team Harry
team Harry balls smooth versus Harry a wonderful you decide which hero was
picked most in pro games picked most in programs we've got our answers if you
start the countdown if you have a team.
Sure. Alright smooth balls, Harry balls, show your answers. Go. On one side we got
Enchantress. Stop fucking that, these guys are high as shit. What is that answer?
I will use the multiple choice for this one. Because you go further. Who is closer?
Who is closer? Who is closer? I'm not always closer. But you don't know that.
Is it a doom is it B bat rider is it C
Pangalir is it D tiny? I think not the anything not that
Welcome back everybody we are finally ready to go spirits and tundra game for is back online
So we are good to go back inside the game a reminder of where we are at in this game for break it down
We are...
Wrap it up.
Well, don't make me do that.
Okay.
Uh, the Spirits won an early skirmish in the mid lane due to the experience advantage they
had from their supports.
They had level 6 on the Warlock, dropped Golan, won that mid fight on themselves, the 2000-3000
net worth lead, and here, that's basically the biggest part of the story.
Yeah, I actually didn't remember what had happened.
Yeah, I didn't remember when I started that either, but I just kinda found my
way in the end. It's Soxa dies out of the pause! Get wrecked kid! We have 30 minutes to think about that!
30 minutes to think of the two man rotation from mid to top. I mean somebody always dies out of a
pause. Yeah it's true and it might be 33 as well but Poska... He is Albert already done.
Yeah he's not an easy kill. They have the gold. There's a lot of stacks on this triangle by the
But not a crazy amount, but a decent amount here.
Yep.
You can leech some of the XP, you're pretty happy.
Radon is farming, battlefield done on the troll, incredibly fast timing here.
13 minute phase, battlefield done.
Perhaps we'll steal some of this.
He will steal most of it.
So tier 1 tower, move into the triangle, troll farming.
Tundra need to regroup in this game, get their teamfight online and use some of
these support ulti's they're still waiting for the tusk punch.
Try to fight for Wisdom Shrine, more pick-offs might give them double kill, but the TPU is
going to come in.
Ear Shaker, wait, cancels.
Soxa, very low, the disruptor is going to show up, 15 more seconds till the Wisdom
Shrine is here, they're still going to get the Ear Shaker.
And it's looking like with this number of heroes they might be able to take their
own Wisdom Shrine.
It's kind of close to the static storm over that got a lot of a weed, but arena golem here though
They're fighting into the arena 33 puts himself in the front lines here to contest the wisdom shine that go off for the ever spirit ever spirit
Trouble status drop gets dropped the arena comes in, but it's too late
They've already killed the emperor but locked inside of the arena. It's gonna be trouble BCM get hit by the golem
She's gonna die back you back in done the same for all with it's nothing on the RP now
Rue pushing on the white mod here will collapse ends 33 flying
But in that position he goes after the Weaver.
Oh, nice, CLABS.
They're in a bad position now.
These heroes way too deep.
The best he can hope for is he gets the kill
and the White Mountain Dust Man should do so.
It looks like the Dark Seers low enough
he can't actually commit to kill Rue.
CLABS walks it off as well, blinks it out.
He's good.
Super successful fight for Spirit Douts.
Four on five.
We're done, man.
You didn't even show up.
He's just farming the whole time.
He's farming the whole time.
The best you could say is that Tundra did secure
their own Wisdom Shrine.
I mean they lost 3k network advantage during that period about one and a half in the fight and another one and a half that
Radon cleans up because he doesn't have to go to anywhere
Big win for spirit here
Just super well executed in the with RP was
That was brutal for Tundra need to land these ults need to clean heroes up with them though we've worked so much in that fight
Rabbit across they know it's weaver shroll
They've got a great combo to kill the Z12 enter but they're in a position to punish him here collapse
He's just gonna spot Soxa, Soxa coming in with the shards, and he really gets pinned up and killed to get the shard.
And Tundra decides that he's still got spells on cooldown. No wall, no static storm, that top fight.
He screwed them in more ways than one. They lost that fight, sure. Radon was tree farming, sure.
But the outcome is also the tormentor being taken for free.
Look at this warlock.
He was like fourth in net worth.
He was ahead of the darks here when he got the shard.
boost him up, he just completed Solarcrest, he's 6-1-5.
But Pozhka just having a beast of a series here.
The instant wall goes out from 33, a bit of frustration,
I think he thought that Whitemon was gonna connect
with something, their static storm,
a little bit of control from Kinetic Fence, something.
Right, the spell casting from Tundra is just
not where it needs to be
to make the comeback here in the game four.
If they wanna push us to a game five,
They're gonna have to execute at a higher level because Spirit are firing on all cylinders right now
and this support duo is just outclassing Tundra right now.
Instant Echo, follow up static storm to silence, it's good enough to kill the Ember.
TP's coming in, here comes the Punish from Spirit.
With a glimpse back, sending Radon where he came from.
It allows Tundra to be able to disengage.
I think I can look for more here.
Booms up again in nine seconds.
Back off not confident to take the fight even with ember dead
Too many olds committed
No static storm no echo slam got a retreat
We gotta say you have the goat of carries
on this hero
With one of the fastest battle theory vkb's a troll can't win this kid
He's not winning any games in this one.
I mean he's also just so high level because he didn't have to joint fight to get a bunch
of solo xp pushing the lanes.
He's level 14.
Yeah, there's no excuse for the troll performance in this one.
He either gets the job done or he doesn't.
Same time DKB does come out for the rochio.
He's having a solid game on the Magnus.
This isn't insane.
We seem to have some insane games on this hero.
Say this is about average for him.
But it's solid.
And you don't need spectacular games here with this Tundra line.
You can absolutely win the teamfight no matter what, just based off spell casting.
But that's where you have to step it up in that department.
You want to combat Spear here, and ideally before all the BKBs come out, I think that
eliminates a lot of your teamfight presence.
Hurts the Disruptor a lot, Hurts the Shaker, Darkseer damage, might just be a situation
where you need that RP more than you want to rely on it.
Toxa, very dead here.
Charged.
He's just trying to kill Neutrols with it.
Not even trying to protect himself
because he knows there's really no way out.
Uh-oh.
Oh, yep.
Uh-oh.
There it goes.
Oh, boy.
Not like this.
So what do you want to talk about?
No, not like this.
My career was not long enough.
My career was not long enough for these pauses.
Dear god, no don't
Play a different song
Yeah, the best part is that there's not much that has changed about the game since then it got the 3k
net worth lead to 6k
But it nothing there's really you know, I I hope they are in levels able to resolve it a bit quicker now
Hopefully the problem gets identified a little bit
It would be very sad to see this series not go to its full potential.
Sasha has 7 deaths already?
Yeah, he's had a rough one dude.
He's had a rough one.
He got beat up in that Weaver game too.
Had a lot of early deaths in that game.
That's what I'm saying.
The support duo for Tundra has really been shut down in these games 3 and 4.
Yeah, but they were the highlight for their TI runs.
So I mean you remember I said these are the two best support duos in the world.
Yep.
I think this tournament has really showcased that and I think it's especially cool when you see either of these support
Those really outclass the other which we've seen in this series alone
Like they're very capable of it. It's not that all so many socks is bad
You know these are these is a toppering fight
Like Mike Tyson or Jake Paul, you know two teams in their prime
Showing butt cheeks on TV
I don't want to talk about it anymore
Yeah, who's Jake Paul in this scenario?
I neither Jake Paul, they're both Mike Tyson.
They're both Mike Tyson.
One is like 30 year old Mike Tyson, the other is 28 year old Mike Tyson.
Two Mike Tyson's in their primes.
You'll have to see it.
I think the problem is collapsed, you just got too big at the gym.
He's just crushing his computer.
You know, I shouldn't work out so much.
Oh, we're getting back though.
We're getting back.
Yeah.
Uh, and what's Laurel's reasoning?
Collaps also crushed his computer?
Yeah, he crushed two at the same time.
He's that big.
Radon with the BKB will walk into the pit,
and we will have another pub.
How is it only two of them?
And it's the same two.
They're in the same location.
Is it possible they're on a different internet line
than the other three?
No, it's some computer account issue, I guess.
I don't know, man.
the fact of the music, jeez.
I don't hear music.
You don't hear the music?
No.
Wait, you're only playing it to me?
There's no way.
You actually are.
Wait, give me your headset.
There's literally music.
There's literally music in his headset.
He's just trying to gaslight me.
What is this?
Why would you try and gaslight me over that?
be honest I didn't think you were going to ask my headset why are you gaslighting me
on like what is this it's just dual sabotage what are you getting from that
I don't know it's funny yeah it was kind of funny that was pretty funny actually
kind of believed it anyway let's talk now that we have a break
hmm earlier on earlier on the tournament you were gonna tell the
stream your big story that was super exciting you didn't get the chance
Austin but I feel like we have some time now. I take it from your forklift days man. Oh there's no story.
That was the most boring mind-numbing job I've ever had. Whoa.
Somewhere right now there's a guy out there driving a forklift. Yeah and he knows exactly what I'm talking
about. At the same time. That's exactly what you would do. About to need workers comp.
And he isn't like what you're saying Austin. I did have an accident once at the
at the where probably watching Dota on twitch no it wasn't anything I was
a Dota twitch in what was this like 2011 drive of the forklift yeah
overclock work holy shit liquid are doing it as you decapitate pretty
worth it Austin was not doing it that day
Uh, live and breathe Dota, man, somebody's gotta die, that's the way it could be.
Alright, production does not want to hear any more of it.
Yeah, that's the capricious joke I think.
Did not go over well in the actual office.
I don't want to be taught anything legal here, so we are going to go to a break.
Come back soon! Soon, soon, soon.
Welcome to the Fat Farmed Quiz of the Year!
And in this quiz we have a bunch of questions for, actually,
All the questions are about 2024 and the answers should only be based on data of 2024.
All professional tournaments count unless specified otherwise, qualifiers of those tournament
count unless specified otherwise.
This is bullshit, this guy played him like half.
You casted half of them.
But I don't remember that, I was drunk.
We got ourselves Odie, Pixel and Gunner.
Hello.
Or otherwise known as?
Today we're smoothballs, it's not our fault,
it's their fault they started it
and then we just had to join
but they've just been by childish with the name.
Smoothballs.
Well they will go up against Cap and SVG.
Otherwise known as?
Team Harry.
Team Harryballs.
Smooth versus Harry, wonderful.
You decide.
Which hero was picked most in pro games?
Picked most in pro games.
That's pretty bad.
Oh, we've got our answers so if you can start
the challenge, please.
Yeah, if you can start the countdown for the other team.
Sure.
All right, smooth balls, Harry balls, show your answers.
Go.
On one side we got Enchantress.
It's not fucking that.
These guys are high as shit.
What is that answer?
I will use the multiple choice for this one.
Because you both are very wrong.
Who's closer?
I thought I was closer.
But you don't know that.
Is it A, doom?
Is it B, bat rider?
Is it C, pangalir?
Is it D, tiny?
I think not the anything not that.
Yeah, I think so.
But I'll go with your one.
We're good.
We'll stick with this.
Are we ready to turn our answers around? Turn it around, show the camera.
We got one D Tiny and one C Pangolier.
With 139 picks, the answer was C Pangolier.
I wouldn't want to lift my hands.
That is one point for Harry Ballers!
You shi-okin'!
Alright, that's it. We won, right?
I mean, Tiny was the worst choice of that.
There was no chance it was Tiny.
Or Maron. I don't know where you got either of them.
He was playing in North America. Of course he doesn't know what the meta was.
He's like, oh, actually he's playing in Asia.
They were playing safe lane Marana. That's why he said Marana.
The next question will not have a multiple choice option.
Don't need it.
We don't need it. Please go down.
The question is, how many pubs, pub games did Seb play in 2024?
I mean, I'm bad.
No, no, no. I mean, you make it easy, right? No, no, no, no, no.
And then, and then, you know, I mean...
The more he's screaming, the less he's puffing.
Well, we're good. We're good. We're ready. We're ready.
Can you guys, uh, please finish up?
Can you, can you catch up?
Harry balls and, um, smooth balls.
Please show your answer to the camera.
1600.
5000.
5000?
1600?
I'd do that in a week.
5,000 in the year, 25 in the day.
5,000?
These guys are...
You don't even know who Seb is, have you no respect?
This guy's one of the TI's, you play those again.
I'm going for the bonus question first.
27 and 25, both obviously very close together,
but there's only one correct answer.
It's actually exactly 25.
Of course it is. Of course it is.
What? For the year?
For the year.
Yeah, that's definitely gonna be going to Harry Balls.
They're still very high, they're still one cross.
It was 2,646 games in 2024, played by Seth.
Just do the math.
5,000 divided by 365.
How many games do you think he has to scrim and stuff?
He was 10 games away.
Yeah, but he has to scrim.
That would mean he literally played like 14 games a day
every day of the year.
And he did this time.
I took his Donut Pro Tracker.
It's 100 plus games of triple digits.
That would mean he didn't scrim.
He didn't fly to tournaments.
He was just strict.
That was a ballistic answer.
He wasn't in the hospital when his wife
gave birth to his child.
He should have played more. I think he's got to step it up.
The next question. Which neutral item had the highest win rate throughout every pro game?
We've been going the safe way. We've been going with an item that people are likely to...
I'm going to write the one you want and then I'll write the one.
But maybe teams are more likely to close out the game.
It's got to be...
Harry Balls, Smooth Balls, show your answers.
Grovba. X Machina.
Both wrong. Let's go over to the multiple choice.
Here we go.
Is it A, Force Boots?
Is it B, Ninja Gear?
Is it C, Mirror Shield?
Is it D, Stygian Desilator?
I mean, we gotta go with one at a time.
We were debating over three answers.
Two of them are on that list.
And let's show the answers.
She, Mirror Shield?
Ninja Gear.
Both wrong.
No points for this round.
It was Stygian Desilator with a 61 point.
82 percent.
60 percent.
We're right.
You could hit that one you won in the game.
In the game.
The team played the least amount of unique heroes at ESL One Bangkok 2024.
Bangkok?
Do you know that?
No, I don't.
It's such a specific...
That's specific.
They were 100% that sad, isn't it?
Because that's sad, it's not going to change.
I'm down for that.
Yeah, we're good.
Smoothballs and Herryballs, please show your answer.
Boom.
Shop Fire Rebellion.
Well, that is the definition of a nail in the coffin.
That's two points for Herryballs.
Yes! Yes!
And with that, part one comes to an end, and Harry Balls, without a shadow of doubt, is our victor.
It is 4-4-1.
Oh, so good. Tears are so sweet and juicy.
See you for the next one.
Wait, two and two thirds. No, no, no. We should get four sixes.
Yeah.
Wait, that's the same thing.
Welcome friends to the fed-formed quiz of the year where I'm going to take two teams
of professional Dota analysts and test their knowledge of last year's competitive Dota
scene.
I didn't realize it was 2025.
I don't remember yesterday.
We're off to a good start.
I will ideally have you guys answered without any multiple choice, but then if you need
to crutch I'll give you some options we paying attention Jenkins fuck yeah I was
let's get some team names on the board purge and Brian what's your team name it's
gonna be this is all part of the name by the way purge purge BSJ purge purge purge
be and SJ so it's PB and SJ oh yeah like the sandwich what's your team name
Jenkins we are team fart studios the illustrious the illustrious fart
studios because we didn't get actually a qualifier together he's part we're part
of a dota team together professional team top four top 390 now that now it's
disbanded top three all right gentlemen are you ready for the quiz yeah we're
ready what are we doing in you're ready first question friends we're talking
about 2024 dota who had the most kills at a single event
drachio it's gotta be that's gotta be drachio that's gotta be wavelength
right there yeah wait did they get to listen to me so I mean if you I just
right on this.
Right, whatever you want.
It's a Dorachio.
D.Y.
Five, four, three, two, one, gentlemen, reveal your answers.
We have a Dorachio for Fart Studios, and we've got, we can't read, Maureen.
Yes, Shay wrote this with his left hand, so I was wrong.
You're both wrong.
Wow.
Unsurprisingly, now I will give you multiple choice question options.
Who is closer, though?
I'm not going to reveal that.
Okay, okay, okay.
How can you be close on the same team I guess yep
That would be there's a lot of different ways you're close all right is it a
Lornaff is it be a tf is it see
Moonlight from pollinates or is it D?
Nothing to say it goes to D
We used on the angels
When did you do school the 1800s?
Remember who was it if it's qualifiers this moonlight guy. Yeah, it's be some random guy hurry
There's only four choices. Come on
We got nothing to say we got ATF everyone's wrong again
Baiting you with some rando no moonlight got 26 kills at dream league season 24 that's it against heroic
This moonlight is that in the one game they won that is the one game
Snap you know what I'm giving a half point to
Jay we picked moonlight, but then I was like that's a bait to it too much of a bait
I know you overthought it
I don't do the writing is a better here. It's probably better. Yeah, probably which hero was the most banned in
Progames in 2024. I think I think I know that was my two guys's. Do you have any that come to mind for you?
All right, I'm gonna start taking the clock, friends, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Doom
for Ford Studios, Naga for PBSJ.
It's Doom!
Yeah!
Yeah!
So you got two points, you got that without any multiple choice, I'm impressed, gentlemen.
He has little baby hands, that's why he wrote like a baby.
All right, currently it's two points to half a point right now, we've got two more questions
in the first phase.
It's the synergy that we have from Fart Studios.
Gentlemen, what team had no talking in class?
What team had the most amount of unique players on their roster in 2024?
We're only talking about teams that made it to at least one ESL event.
And we're not talking about single event standards, we're talking about roster
changes.
You got something better than that?
No, that's it.
It's your instant response. I feel like that's it.
Mmm. I like that. I like that idea.
I think yours is right though.
All right friends, you have your answers.
Reveal your answers.
We've got OG for Ford Studios and Tundra for PBSJ.
It's Tundra!
Nice. Well done.
I'm not even confident. That's pathetic.
They should lose a point for not having confidence.
Yeah, take the half point away.
Did OG qualify for ESL?
They've used to qualify.
off like the Sun's Fand.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, it is currently one and a half points.
No, I got like two and a half points.
Oh yeah, that's true, two and a half points.
No, they lost the point because they weren't off the point.
There's no confidence in this.
Two and a half points to two points,
I guess, winner tick all on this last one.
Question number four, at Dream League Season 23,
which three other players were on Azuray
with FY and Faithbion or Bok?
Wait, does Bok count as another player?
It's the same guy.
China's my worst region, so.
Five, four, three, two, one.
Flip them!
What do we got?
We got Tianming, nothing to say,
and Lo for Jenkinsfort Studio and Fear.
We got Lo, Tianming, and Ori.
They got also Tianming and Ori!
Impressive, very impressive.
Wow.
We only had to go to the multiple choice
for one of these questions.
I'm very impressed.
I doubt it.
You guys are a professional do-down.
Can we get two thirds of the point?
You'll still be losing.
I'll give you two thirds of the point, actually.
But it doesn't look better.
Yeah, yeah.
You are now currently at two and two thirds,
and you are at 4.5.
Nice.
Wait, two and two thirds?
No, no, no.
We should get four sixes.
Wait, that's the same thing.
Yeah.
I'll reduce the fraction for you.
Fine, you get three and a third.
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
Three and a third versus 4.5.
Tune in next episode for more of the Fed Farmed Quiz of the Year.
Welcome back everyone to the second part of the Fed Farmed Quiz of the Year,
where we're recapping 2024 competitive Dota with four professional Dota analysts.
Where we last left off PBSJ,
it's currently in the lead with a very organized score of 4.5 points.
We take those, we take those.
And Fart Studios, over here with three and a third times.
Please team Fart Studios.
Team Fart Studios.
I'm sorry, TFS.
Team Fart Studios, currently down right now.
Spend less time caring about your team
and more time caring about the questions.
But you're on me.
Let's get it started.
All right, what team played the most amount
of unique heroes at ESL One Birmingham 2024?
Aren't you out there tonight?
I wasn't.
I'm a sleep deprived.
I think it's just him.
We've got our...
We've got their answer.
We've got a dome shot here.
Yeah, ten, nine, eight, seven.
Big for me.
Six, five, four, three, two, one.
Okay, we got it.
He went overtime on that.
We got extreme gaming.
Oh, that's dumb.
That's dumb.
For FS, and we got Falk Ons.
Yeah.
PBSJ.
That's dumb.
He's right as Extreme Gaming!
Yeah!
Yeah!
No, how'd you guys know?
That's the question.
I think that was the GQ Extreme Gaming.
And I remember it.
Called the Power of Deduction.
They played 49 unique heroes in 16 games.
Why would you choose Falking Slayers?
They played the most games of the tournament.
They played the same heroes for the most amount of games.
Next question.
Ooh, this is an interesting one.
I'm going to need two answers from you guys.
Which neutral items were the most picked
and the fewest picked in programs?
The average game is like 35 minutes.
So it's the tier one or tier two.
Every game is going to go to a tier two as well, pretty much.
I agree.
Yeah, I agree.
I was thinking the same thing.
And then for, I was going to say this.
Or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Wait, no, no.
I actually changed this.
Can we look at the list of useful items?
They came up with two without any reliance on the internet.
100%
100%
That's 100%
100%
Lock that shit up.
If you guys want, I'll give you a 20% point deduction
if you can describe the item with another name.
No, you don't decide the fucking points.
He's the guy.
I'm offering.
Get out.
Wait, is there a lease after both most?
No.
Which one?
Which one was the lease?
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, this guy's our son.
He's off here one third quite.
No, you can't do that.
Take off their 0.5 for being assholes.
What's the one like your shirt?
Oh, oh, oh, fuck. Wait, wait, wait. What's it called?
What's it called? No, no, no. They get in herald all the time.
We're talking about pro-dota.
Well, that would still be the most... the least picked.
That's what we're going for. This is the most and we need the least.
Yeah, I'm trying to remember what it's called.
Oh, yeah, I don't...
Give me a second. You're stressing me out. You're stressing me out.
Stop. Stop. You're stressing me out.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know what it...
Can we get a countdown, Neil?
A stressful countdown.
Nine, eight, seven, six, five,
6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
I thought that's all I can do.
That's all I can do.
I don't know where I could not be.
I can't remember what's going on.
All right, let's see some reveals.
These are not right.
Those are wrong.
Is the 1800 HP thing, perhaps the unwavering condition?
Yeah, unwavering condition.
That was literally meaning on it like a million.
Your most was seeds of serenity.
Our least was the bloom.
Your most is Philly stone.
Your least is 1800 HP thing.
And with your powers combined, you did have a correct answer.
The Seeds of Serenity was the most,
and Unwavering Condition was the least.
What?
That was the first time I thought of it.
Seeds of Serenity more than Philly?
I guess it's support.
Does he only get 50% for this point, for this 1800-day speed?
You can't make up and change the point system in the game.
You didn't name the item though.
That's true.
Can you read the exact rules of the challenge rules?
We'll take half the points, because he was literally
meaning about it.
Yeah, but he has a literal condition
where he can't name things.
I do.
It's called the thing.
You lost your third.
6.5, 6.
At Dream League season 24,
which player achieved the highest GPM
and with what hero?
I'm gonna give you one point for the player,
one point for the hero.
This would be my guess.
It's about time you pull your weight here, Jenkins.
Or is there, I've been told that quite a few times,
actually failed relationships.
I've been getting carried,
so I'll at least give us a shot.
I'm ready.
All right, let's reveal
your answers let's see you got nightfall alchemist and we've got satanic
medusa and Jenkins what did you mastermind that this team would pick
uh satanic alchemist you should have just told me the second half you would have
looked really impressive because holy shit how did he know because it is
satanic medusa and you guys picked alchemist yeah that's extra points
You're right, it is extra points. You're now at seven.
Satanic was everyone in all the games. Wow. Somehow he did it.
That mad man. Last question for all the marbles.
What player had the most matches on a single hero in 2024?
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I know. I have a lot of good ones, if you can tell.
Yeah, you had one good one though, but it was
You guys have been locked in for a while these guys just locked in you satisfied with your final answer. Oh, it's wrong
You can't even see this. I've only gotten suit of serenity so we can judge off a Brian's face. We know what's wrong
Reveal your final answers
We've got skitter and DK. We've got crits hood away. There's no way
Gentlemen do a drum roll with your feet, please. Don't need to we already already got it
The confidence that hood away can 94 matches. That was so easy.
They got 10 points at the end of the day for our fed-formed quiz. Yeah
Yeah!
Dude, don't break those stairs.
Fuck off, Kurt.
Turns out, you guys are professionals for a reason.
That's why we're a team.
That's why we're a panel.
For our friendship.
I'm not on your panel.
Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that fed-formed quiz of the year, and maybe we'll see you
next year.
Bye-bye!
Your test results are back, and I'm afraid it's serious.
Seb, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're at a critical juncture.
If you retire one more time, you're gonna be staying here forever.
No.
Problem!
Say that I'm a doctor, I'm a daughter player.
Retire in full of cat rules.
I can retire nine times.
Yes, yes, cat rules, everybody knows that, but Seb, how many times have you retired?
Um, I'm not really that good at this player, I'm more of a cat player.
Oh, okay, should we just check your Twitter then?
No, no, no, let's not read that.
Hmm, let's see.
There was quantity gaming at TI3.
They know it, this is down, and they want to take them right now.
The band is going to cut them off on the backline.
Trout's straight, and where's the storm hammer?
He's down!
You thought you stung the f***ing board?
Oh!
That one hurts.
I haven't won a tournament in seven f***ing years.
It would always be talent.
Awesome papers, I think it was just a blessing.
No.
No man, I can't coach Ojiro now.
I'm with monkey freedom fighters.
What? What do you mean, 16 months to become a streamer?
I can see what happens. It's all about discipline and focus.
You're not even pushing.
One of my sh** teams.
That's it. I retire from retiring.
That one doesn't count, right? Like retire from retirement?
Ehh...
Fine.
Alright.
Then there was T.I.
Alright, Grim's game is true.
I think I never have to play Dota again.
I want T.I.
I think I never have to play Dota again.
I want T.I.
Again!
Nasty.
Chach!
Is that a soul milk?
So how many retirement is that? Like, three?
Seven?
That's your 8th retirement.
That's 7 too many.
You're down to your last one.
If you want my prescription, not that you're probably going to listen to it, you need to
get rid of the stress.
No major life changes, otherwise I'm going to have to put you in a room next to Zai.
Hello?
Pshh, Doctor.
Doctor, what could happen?
One second.
Hello?
What's that you said?
And the baby's coming!
Oh, I really have the thing to me, folks.
Your son'll understand.
Can we, uh, throw a light at him?
Uh, we have scrims.
Oh, cool.
Oh!
Today was such a green day.
So was yesterday, and so will be tomorrow.
Guys, do you ever think about losing?
Some things have been happening that might be related.
I picked the wrong hero in the draft.
I've got blimps of static camps
and I've stopped skinning razors on SF
No razors?
I don't know what I can do
You have to go to the real world
Wow, so this is the real world
What's going on?
Why is everybody looking at me?
What the hell is that on your neck?
What are you, a Fortnite gamer or something?
It's Dota 2 actually
Dota 2?
What the hell is that?
players outside, that's impossible.
We haven't played Dota in like five years.
Oh, oh, wonderful.
And so that Dota player is back in the team house.
Dota players only have one ending.
Get that Dota player!
Noon from UA highlights lasts forever.
You can't just host Dream League.
Why not?
I have 15k on mark.
It's finally complete.
My once a year Dota Labs update that no one asked for
that will completely ruin the game once and for all.
Our first invention this year, I'm impressed,
is one that will change Dota forever.
Imagine you're in a game and you've received
80% magical damage and annoying alerts will pop up
when you go to buy an item and then we'll ask
If you'd like to purchase BKB, or a turn of shroud if permitted on the hero.
We already have that. That's in the game with the magic wand notification that says you need to use your wand.
For new players? In the news? Not for experienced ones? I'm talking about immortal matchmaking and immortal PA.
It gets an alert from their support that says, buy BKB.
Okay, that's a good idea. People would... people would want that.
No. No, it's an evil idea, because it's very annoying for them.
Okay, very well. For the second evil plan, and this one is much worse.
On Weekend Dover, after midnight, I will enact a system to test your sobriety.
You have to walk down a lane without getting lost, and then only then can you play ranked.
Can you play ranked if you're not inebriated?
That's just another good idea. People don't want to play with drunk people.
Yes they do. I'm only inebriated when I play on Dota 2AM, my friend.
That's why you have a 20% win rate and no friends. Nobody wants to play with you.
Oh. Friends.
Feminist. Fantastic point.
For my last evil plan is the evilest of all.
Immortal matchmaking.
People underestimate just how much these guys need to live this game in order to do well.
And I should know, Team Liquid almost wins everything.
When a new patch drops, everything changes.
Our habits, our gameplay, but with every patch, our lives change with the game.
Like literally.
After the last patch rolled up, we just woke up and were like, what the hell are these?
Worked out better for some of us, than others.
Every morning it's the same.
Wake up at 1pm, hit alarm, and choose the facets for the entire day.
You pick the wrong one accidentally and all of a sudden the entire day is screwed.
Oh, you're asshole!
I'm not a fan.
Misclicking facets can be bad, sure.
But some people just have garbage facets.
Unlock.
Amar, what do you want to do today?
Brothers, you can pick one of these two.
It doesn't matter.
Anyone is really good.
Snaking, can you please pick your good facet today?
Snaking.
Snaking.
Snay!
Hey Siri!
Tweet!
U-O-G!
Letting players choose our own facets puts a lot of pressure on us coaches.
Because you know, players are idiots.
Hello, hello, dear. What is this?
What? This?
Bro, I took it for the honor.
Sure, bro. It's only for the honor.
If Filth is stealing, Rubik.
What's the matter if I take one kill or two?
At the end, we're one team.
Stop stealing my kills!
Bro, show me your mission.
Bro, I have only one mission. He's out of the game.
I have only one mission, you know?
Bro, no one would want to play a game together for 13 minutes.
Give me the mission!
I've been around for a long time and play a lot of different patches and to me new patches
They motivate me.
Oh, come on.
Yeah, it can be a little demotivating too.
My facets suck.
At least I got a future mate.
Hey, Colbin, it's five minutes till Team Spirit Shuttles, so can you get the team together? Thanks.
Made in this, manager.
Thou knoweth what thou must do.
Thal must quest for to subdue thine most powerful dota fiends.
Whom? Whomsteth? Whomsteth?
They wait in wait in the perilous luxury player hotel.
Oh! Only then, and the thine acquisition of the golden ring
will Thast enter the shuttle too.
Oh, there! There it is! There's the ring!
Good, that's done. Check!
As it were.
Travel to the dark recedes of the man caves.
Brave the forbidden lands of the practice rooms.
I'm Biposhka, favorite son of my babushka.
And I have never abandoned the pub.
Journey to the ground free streets to interrupt their munchy time.
Oh, sorry.
The most insurmountable challenge lay last.
The loathsome dirachio eater.
The Skeeter star skirt.
Cool!
Yeah, that's all.
Based even indeed.
Get up! No, no, no. Don't get up, don't get up.
Why have I been dragged here this evening?
It's such an uncommon hour.
I understand we have something to problem.
What are we looking at here?
Yes sir, so we've been made aware of a really big MMR issue.
Losing too many games again, Kev.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's not the point.
It's a lot bigger than just my matches.
We've done some analysis and there appears to be a problem with the matchmaking system.
Talking about, who formulated this analysis? Was it you?
No sir.
Well, I knew it was it.
It was me. Sir.
Rufus? You made the analysis?
I can explain the analysis sir.
No, I want to hear it straight from the center's mouth and Rupert, please explain it to me as you would a Herald player.
Well, sir, the value of MMR is going down.
Going down? What do you mean going down?
In circulation. People just have too much MMR.
Isn't the bulk of this company's holdings in MMR?
Yes sir, 80% of our assets are in MMR futures.
With our current projections, we've got maybe two to three weeks before the entire system collapses.
We won't make it to the next crown follow-up date.
We think it's the Herald player, sir. They lose so many matches that they get down to zero MMR.
And they can't lose any more MMR.
My God.
And it's not just the Heralds. Mr. Canavan has 10k MMR himself.
How did you manage to hit 10k MMR?
Well, after we queued together and got put on separate teams, I told Kev to try his
battle fury lion build, and I used my double down token.
It works sometimes.
The MMR is trickling upwards, there's massive inflation going on.
See normally in a Dota game, 5 players lose, 5 players win, it's an equivalent exchange.
But when a winner uses a double down token, they create MMR out of thin air.
An MMR bubble, eh?
At this point, Paparazzi is 16,000 MMRs.
Does anyone know why I make the big bucks?
As I complain about MMR on Twitter more than anyone else,
but I don't really know what I'm talking about,
so please tell me, what can we do about this?
We dump our holdings today.
Can we even do that, Kiv?
Yeah, but at what cost?
It would cause catastrophic losses.
I don't think you understand
what Rupert here has just said.
Do you?
Do you?
This is it.
I'm telling you, this is it!
I made you. How would you do it?
Well, you start off dumping the subprime accounts, the lowest value ones, the toxic players, the heralds, the North Americans.
Then you go on waves, going up to the Guardian accounts next, because they're going to be heralds soon enough anyways.
But if we do this, it could kill Matchmaking for years.
You don't see any other choice. We'll have to pay?
This means losing your account too, sir.
Louis Deadlock?
We imagine a future in our imaginings, or fire.
They won't fear it, until they understand it, won't understand it, or they've used it.
I don't know if we can be trusted.
Such a weapon.
So how's Dream League going for you?
You mean like, am I enjoying the games or...?
Hmm, no, more like, do you think our casting's going well?
You think about that?
What do you mean? You don't?
It's Dream League. The more you care, the less people enjoy.
I don't know, that's true.
It's true. Dota fans don't want things to polish.
Maybe.
There needs to be spaces for an event in Dota that's more relaxed.
Just take... BTS. Rest in peace.
Rest in peace.
The best part of those events was it was just people hanging out.
It was raw, unfiltered, a behind the scenes look.
Yeah, you know, people do like the behind the scenes stuff.
Yeah.
You don't want to script too much.
No.
That would definitely not be what the fans want.
Definitely.
And cut. Everything good? Good?
I think that was good. I think that was good.
No, it's not. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Great guys. Great.
What's the status?
It's not good, boss.
This one is far beyond my pay grade.
I don't know if I can do it.
It's not what I want to hear. Tell me.
What organization do we work for?
Casually helping others resolve issues.
And when we work to help Dota players resolve issues, I need you to think what you call a machete.
No, no, no, no.
We don't solve issues with threats of violence anymore.
We've changed our prime agents.
No, you don't need him.
I do, Jenkins.
I play more like Koro.
Sleeper agent Tran.
This man out.
He's a savant.
How did he do it?
You were in Malaccio.
Maybe you know.
I wasn't there.
Sinnerin was actually casting.
Why the fuck am I talking to you then?
You can't walk around.
I told you it was okay.
It's just not professional.
Okay, but it's my brand.
I like to suck it.
I like to tell people to suck it.
But it's just...
It's not our thing on Team Liquid.
You know, we're the professional team.
You get it?
You gotta stop this.
It's not good.
Wow, wow.
You win TI once.
Get carried by Nisha. Let's have this conversation face-to-face when you're not standing on pillows
Sleeper agent big L son of a
I know you don't like to be bothered on vacation. This one's important
Out my problem
Get to hear the fabric of the Dota 2 scene apart. I can't believe that you would come here
We're talking to you when there's big L. Oh
Help.
Help.
No, no, no.
Hey Jenkins, best of luck.
You know what, Saber? We're both tall.
Well, you don't need to argue about this. It's all good, dude.
You are right.
And we are. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
So how'd you do it?
It's the one line that no Dota player ever wants to cross.
That's dark.
Well, we all did see the reddit thread.
You losing all your MMR?
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Need help outside of the game?
ChatEPT can help with that too.
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I need some assistance with my English homework. Can you help me?
Gee willikers, that sounds fun!
Okay, so I'm writing a story and I need your help finishing it. Here's what I have so far.
Once upon a time...
That's all you have?
Yeah.
Gosh, that is atrocious. What an egregious insult to my ears.
Of all the nonsense godly cook that has come through my ever-living receptor.
You're really obvious.
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Really? People got better, man. That's crazy.
His inventory is somewhat reasonable on Bloodseeker.
Bloodseeker is normal.
I don't think we're going to clear it, but...
In fact, it's not sure of me, but we're going to counter it.
We're going to counter it.
I mean, it's a bit clumped, it's definitely not super high on war.
I don't think there's any way to do it.
Invoker is also on a real low level.
And there's a...
Devafan will have to do it.
And I just want to see this one, okay?
This one is like...
So, if you guys are going to solo this one...
I don't know, bitch.
It's top 10.
Top 10? Is this MangaQ or what?
Like, this one with 3-4000 points.
I guess it's a 3rd player.
I'm going to give him a detail.
The guy with the bow has no magic, he keeps jumping.
I think it's Erkon.
I think the same, yeah.
I feel like it's Divine or like super low immortal.
Go Divine?
Yeah, go Divine.
Alright, Divine.
I think they have the same.
No, I have the same.
Yeah, I guess like Divine.
I think same also like Divine.
Really?
People got better, man.
That's crazy.
There's a lot of bombs.
There's a planche on the bomb, I think that's it.
I'm gonna kill him.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I bomb here.
I see, okay.
This is pretty low on a mar for sure.
It's a bite, it's a titan.
Even on our rating, it can happen right now.
I think it's around O-Gay or 3-Gay or more.
Okay, I mean, this is one of those games that looks like
where both teams just keep walking back and forth down mid.
And the heroes are like, unreal bad.
Which makes me think this might be like Harold or like close to Harold like it's really a lot more I think
Let's say
I think they came over here.
They're here.
There's like 5 French heroes.
Yeah, there's some weird crap going on.
I'll say Herald.
Let's have a listen.
What's Herald?
I guess Herald.
As you can see, the 10 heroes in the game,
it's quite suspicious right now.
Maybe one game, one game.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, I guess.
I'll say it's just so stupid.
I want to push him out.
When there's no goal lead,
and both teams just keep running back
and port down mid, it's a Herald game.
Yeah guys, thanks you for watching, guys see you next time.
Thanks for watching!
Almost, I like it.
Yeah man, it's some smurf.
It's laundered mid though, did he go play laundered mid?
Boosters on legend dimensions.
Fuck the Lotus in the middle of the fight.
He has Yule's Q'd up, that's pretty bizarre.
Let's take another Polish here.
This is Clip.
They're just fucking done, huh?
And he just destroyed it. He's still in the cap.
UFU's character looks like he's a good player.
And his character looks like he's been given up by the business.
This character has a basic game style.
I'll put it in 10 out of 10, actually.
Let's put it in 5k, like, 5k immortal.
We can go legend as a user has a tool for what's how long go by I was how I would I mean the hero is decent
Like better better than earlier. I think around to gain. I guess
Sarcon yeah pretty confident
We go point you know what immortal really? How is this? That's insane. I mean I was gonna say I feel like there's there's two grandmasters in this game
I don't know if like
Low War players play enough?
That Lina's name is on my own now. That's kind of a High War name.
Yeah, Takaname.
He's like a kid, Takaname.
If there is Toya Guild, you're a slub.
Yeah, if there is Toya Guild, you're a slub.
His inventory is reasonable.
At least he buys BGB.
It was a heckin' tazzle, and it's definitely not the mortal.
I think it's a shot.
Or a divine.
But there might be 7-8 KMR.
I'll put a KMR.
Or 4k.
We can put a divine.
Alright, a divine.
A divine.
Think you're choosing divine rank?
Go ahead.
Alright, go ahead.
I guess he's the champion.
I think he's a champion.
Not much explanation on this one.
It's just like a seaside play. I'll give this guy an inch.
Yeah, maybe legend.
Then you're going to be the leader of the 7G.
It's a generation of legend.
Almost.
Good luck.
Thanks for watching.
Goodbye, guys.
Welcome back to another Pimp My Profile, where, you know, me and a lucky person,
or maybe I'm lucky, are going to decorate each other's profiles.
That's started.
Hi, I'm Jenkins, and welcome to Pimp My Profile.
And me and a lucky person are going
to Pimp Each Other Profiles.
I will say yours is already very good.
I know.
Like, I don't have an artistic touch,
but I thought that IO is just beautiful,
and that I can write things.
But you're the only person who actually managed
to read what it said.
Really?
Is that English?
That's.
Is that Japanese?
That's anime-speak.
It's anime-speak.
Anime-speak.
You had a bunch of pudges where they snuck words.
I've heard anime-speak.
That was snipers and pudges, and it was Ogre Magi,
and he was sucking them.
Okay, so I'm gonna start with the-
So the thing is, my inspiration was Pudge
because we love him, but you already had him
on your profile, so I feel like I need to have him differently.
Wow, that is an ugly Pudge, I didn't even know you,
it's a rare search.
Can I open up?
That's an ugly man, wow.
You've like a thousand backgrounds.
Oh no, this is-
You got quite a few as well.
Okay, we got a runner.
All right, I'm delaying, I'm delaying.
Let me think, let me think.
Yeah, that's good, can I copy paste?
Oh my god, you can control C, control V, and dude, Valve is so good when they actually try.
Oh my god.
Who's your least favorite Dota game?
My least- my-
Who's just the most boring?
The most boring?
Fucking Anti-Mage.
What's with mana burn?
Right.
You can't do the thing that's the most fun in the game?
Oh wow, what a fun mechanic.
Remove from everything else, except for Anti-Mage, because it's a fucking name.
Okay, I'm gonna keep going.
Oh my god.
We're even 5.9% winner with jacquero over 17 games
But this jacquero
Promise you won't be offended by this okay, okay, I'm done. I mean this is
Do you want to see mine first yeah, it's okay, it's gonna be offensive. I think no it's not offensive
It's not offensive
Well, it's because it's bad now. Yeah, so yeah, but you're a few and you keep playing and you refuse to not give up on it
And then in this part
No, it's not I can be either the chicken or the board right but what is the chicken?
And what is the word?
Right.
Or.
So here's the, I put the, I put the boar first,
but then I didn't want you to think I was calling you a pig.
So I put the chicken as well.
Cause it was just, he looked the most confused.
Look at his eyes.
I said, I'm a chicken or a pig, Duncan.
Yeah.
Well, it's cause-
It's called me a pig, it's called me a pig.
It's just called me a pig, it's just called me a pig.
It's because-
Mom, mom sent him an email right now.
My mom knows you.
Rate my profile at a 3.14159.
Out of pie.
Out of, that wasn't pie.
Hi is a rational number if I stopped.
Okay.
You got like a 1.5 out of 3.
3.14159?
Out of 3.14159.
So you went over 50%.
That's good, thank you.
Thank you so much.
Okay.
Can I see it?
Okay.
Now you have to come.
What the fuck is this?
What is this?
Wait, wait, wait.
Okay, so this is my drunken story.
What the fuck is this?
So basically, my artistic vision wasn't the visuals, but the storytelling, and I really
thought it was a beautiful story of murder and sociopathy.
Sociopathy and who your victims would be.
If I was a serial sociopath murderer, two of these three victims, I would victimize.
What would you rate my profile out of 7.2?
7.2, I would go for a solid 3.6 plus 2.1, so that would be a 5.7 out of 7.2.
I think that was great, yeah fantastic.
Wonderful, thank you very much.
Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen.
This has been Pint My Profile with Effie and with Jenkins.
is pretty much over.
Hey, Purge, what do you got for your segment after the game?
Oh, for my weatherman segment?
I have something in mind.
OK, looking forward to it.
I'll be right back.
OK.
Dude, you have to help me right now.
I have to do a weatherman segment really soon,
but I have no idea what to talk about.
What did you do?
Purge, I'm literally still playing the game.
You see that, Avery?
It looks like Insadion's on the phone.
Yeah, it does.
You have to help me.
Please give me anything.
When are you going to actually learn to do this yourself?
This is the final time, I promise.
Besides, nothing interesting even happened this game.
What are you talking about?
I clearly carry this game, all right?
It's leaving me in the middle of the world.
Not one, not two, but three tangos to Mickey.
After that, I went mid.
And I went to the water room.
He denied the water room.
Later on in the mid-game,
Nisha clearly wanted to smoke.
Nisha asked if anyone had to smoke?
I did.
Insania had one.
I mean, and then I...
Boxy, I'm in the middle of something.
Will you shut the fuck up?
I mean, after all that, Mickey was formed enough.
So all they had to do was run it down mid?
Oh no.
Lane's won.
Space created.
Game's won.
I did it again.
Dang, I'm so good at my job.
The purge!
Liquid lost.
Game invadiates his victim.
What?
Yeah, our Falcons get another 2-0 and Amar gets one more word of all-chat in at the end of the game.
Dude, I don't know what to do.
Are you alright?
Yeah, why you just told me that I need to stop talking so much during games.
But I don't know what to do.
I just get crazy and start exploding.
Have you tried meditating?
Meditating?
I mean, I just read another book and it says that Thai culture is a common thing.
it helps people to rocks maybe you could try it fine and this one time just try
anything so just close your eyes like a deep breath in you know what are we I
think we're in your mind and why are you here I'm just here for fun hello
what are you doing in my brain I have to teach you I was like you once you didn't
I know that I start keeping people in doubt at first.
You started all this?
Yes, but I soon realized that it's not important.
The most important thing is to be humble.
I haven't won a single tournament in years.
It's humility, humility.
But no one. How do I do this?
That was fucking weird.
Well, I learned nothing from that.
I love tipping. I will not stop.
What are you here to teach me now?
Am I going to just keep getting players over and over again teaching me stuff?
I actually have to go pizza.
What?
But you know they're speaking now.
Wow, and you play like this all the time?
Wow, this vision is quite realistic.
I really feel like I'm starting to learn something.
Is that Curtis?
I think so.
What did you say?
Don't be misguided. Don't take their advice.
I shouldn't stop trash talking?
Follow your instincts. Do what you feel is right.
Stop listening to his calls, guys. These guys are fucking idiots. Listen to me.
Path to success will soon be revealed to you.
If three inmates hear us, guys, how do you not have dust?
The words you heard before are incorrect for me.
Oh, thank god that's over. Everyone report teal for communication abuse.
Now I can finally relax.
Wow.
I now understand.
Thank you so much, Eeyore.
I really appreciate your support.
What are you talking about?
I will never stop.
Tipping, all chatting, and trash talking,
and even on Twitter, for the rest of my fucking life.
Grand finals.
Let me just get this one out of the way.
We are about to start draft for game number four.
Again.
But, before we do so,
So, we started as a PC related issue, 14 Spirit, was at some point solved, but then they couldn't connect back into the game and that was not a Spirit related issue and it has prevented our issues for both try to reconnect and remade from a game save status.
So, yeah, we gotta do a do-over for the fourth game.
How long has been?
Because I know you've played games with massive breaks and I need your expertise on how the players are right now in this grand finals because it's different.
Well, I think it's good that Spirit was winning that game and they remade because like if Tundra were winning that game and this happened, Tundra would be probably bad, right?
But because they were kind of getting owned, this is not a bad deal for Tundra by any means.
So maybe if anyone's a little bit tilted it might be Spirit, but I think overall it's fine.
You know, we finally get to play some Dota. It was a bit of an extended break, but we're just starting fresh now
And it's just a new game new draft. I think that's good for the tournament here
Well, you say new drafts, but so far it's still pretty similar. Let's let's refresh people's memories here
I'm joined by fear by BSJ by Effie and Jenkins, and we are starting game four of this grand finals where Team Spirit is two games
versus one from Tundra, so Team Spirit is on match point, they only need to win one more,
and in terms of the bounce it has been pretty similar, and especially this fourth game we just
witnessed Jenkins, or at least the part that we witnessed, both teams were very heavily going in on
the team fight. Yeah they were, that was not working so well for Tundra, so maybe they changed
it up this this time around. I'm excited that we might get to see our first six game
Grand Finals. That's unprecedented. I know who this pause is good for. Who? Pick one
player you think this might be good for. Dorotio? I believe that is correct. He was
having a little bit of a rough series and I think this break is definitely
good for him and I'm expecting Dorotio to carry this game no matter what he's
playing. On Magnus. On Magnus! There you go! There you go! Fourth time is the charm
They say that's he's played it. It's not four times now
This is a this is a bit of a change up because in terms of bands on the side of team spirit
I believe we stayed the same but the Ember spirit was the first big four team
Spear previews game, but this time it got banned instead of the abaddon, which is now still
Yeah, I mean the Ember looked really good last time
That's just a little unfortunate, you know, but lots of heroes left in the pool
We've got a badminton coming out with people consider him the RP counter with the photic shield we saw have success
You know, I'll just say like for me the elephant in the room is that I struggle immensely with being able to reboot my brain after like being in
Work mode taking a break and then being in work mode again
I just have to imagine something like that affects these teams like how you supposed to be like, okay guys
I feel like all of our Dota brains get very wired you get in the zone and now you're just told okay after two hours
run it back you've still potentially got two more games. I think this is now like
I think every finals is to some degree a test of resilience and the ability to
persevere and this is maybe even like uncharted territory for the like a team
that just played a two-game series prior to this and Team Spirit those were
both pretty long games yeah and then you were basically about to win the
tournament yeah I'm excited to see how this impacts them in terms of like the
human aspect of the game. I feel like if Team Spirit can't handle this, nobody can, to be
honest, like this is the one team this could happen to and they might just go into this game
and do the same thing they did in the last game. I absolutely believe that too, but it's at the
end of the day, it's like it makes them even more impressive one way or the other and it's
going to affect both teams, it just matters which one it affects the less. You know what,
this is also, this break might have also done and I think we're seeing a little bit of
the result, I feel like this drops real pretty fast, Spirit. They've been theory-crafted for
two hours. I mean you have plenty of time to think about what you want to do here.
Yeah. On your note, Brian, I think it's definitely worse if you load into a game
and you're in the middle of the game, right? That is like the most inferior
thing, right? At least they get a nice refresh and the last two weeks we've
been playing Dota at this hour, right? They've been up every single day in the
nighttime doing this, though. You know, nobody should be too fatigued yet,
but it is the grand finals. Both these teams have grand final experience. I
I don't think it'll let them
Bob them too much. That's what I'm getting at. I trust you're a judge in more than one year
It was to be honest though, like
Thunder we're getting worked in that left you like they lost all of their lanes and they're definitely good for time
Like this is way better for thunder than it is for spirit and the entire time spirit
We're trying to fix their problems as opposed to theory-crafting how they're gonna approach a potential remake draft
so
But like Jenkins said if there's any team that should be able to bounce back
It is this one out of all right. I will say one more theory one more theory craft on the pause situation
This is where the extra prize pool for the org comes in because the question is how much staff
Do they have to figure this out while the players are just theory crafting for the next game or theory crafting the current game?
It's thank you. They don't know what they have to theory craft for yeah
Yeah, they're maybe having to prepare for all possible
Because if it's like collapse in Yatoro fixing the computer issues or something like they're probably like
They're like burnt out for that. I mean definitely wasn't for spear like they're big enough work
But and team spirit is does from one of these two teams team spirit is the one on bootcamp
Yeah, as tundra is all playing from home. So they should have all their staff and everybody ready to help out
Yeah, let's focus our attention on the actual draft though because we got some unusual picks coming out
I mean, I know we've seen me partially winter Wyvern in the past
But it's been a little while definitely not seen in this Grand Finals and we got on dying
I wouldn't mind if they perhaps make the Magnus a mid hero just to be more of the spellcaster with the what's the other facet called
I don't know whatever it makes your shockwave like do 50% extra damage with a fifth point in it
But instead they actually just make it so that they have a heavy dam
I was thinking like they want to go more magic damage heavy because of the Wyvern and not commit to the RP
But instead they just make it so if they get RP'd there's a guy that can reliably walk in that doesn't kill his teammates
And should dish out ample amount of damage to punish the people there that are locked on top of each other
So yeah, I actually like this lecture. I take a lot
Yeah, dying's weird though. What are you guys thinking about this anybody nobody to bring it? I mean, I have opinions on it
Oh, go ahead. I mean, I think on dying theoretically is incredibly good versus a badden a badden
Can't do pretty much anything to any of his spells like tombstone
Sure, you can attack it, but you know, you're not the best at killing a tombstone
can't remove Decay, if Undying gets on top of you on a bad end it's kind of
annoying you can't really move in the fight. Theoretically it's a good pick it
just we haven't seen Undying at all and we've seen a lot of a bad end and
nobody's tried this so it probably hasn't worked in some scrims but like I
said theoretically it could work I like a lot too just buy support items
sit behind them enable him to run in. It's just a lot of that area control is
as well as an objective taking.
Like, we talked about the potential for heroes
like Invying with their team stones,
take over these rush areas, these torment areas,
and we finally get a chance to see it in action here
at the highest level.
So that would be interesting.
Lushrack on the other hand, like,
has been one of the strongest heroes
this entire tournament.
And I think Tundra are extremely happy
with how their draft looks compared to the last one.
I don't mind Abba against Lush, though.
Blade Mail buyer.
Like, any hero that is gonna build a Blade Mail
and just run in and tank Lush's damage is really nice.
Well that's the opposite of a Blade Maubire, but this is a old school counter to Lesh.
Lesh gets in there and mans up and Sniper just, he's legitimately too far.
Yeah, but Lissac could also be in position 4.
That's possible.
This is also a Tombstone killer as well and for the same reason it's hard for Lesh
to get into the fight and jump to Sniper, same for Magnus.
You can get like a Harpoon Blink, but these are a lot of items.
Sniper can get a Hurricane Pike by that time.
I like this pick.
And there's a supporting cast to this sniper right like we can set the batten behind him like the wyvern with a potential force staff and embrace like
So long as he's not left alone in these teamfights and his team can back him up
He's gonna pack a really big punch and
The shrapnel providing vision for the tombstone is nothing to be underestimated either Jenkins when a sniper push is cute
What's gonna happen? What's he gonna say when he does that Jenkins?
Thank you very much
As I was hoping they might like you mentioned to put the Leshrac to four because the sniper I
Think the only thing that makes it really worth it as a hero like I just don't think he's good enough
In terms of how he scales in the current patch is to dominate the mid lane and remove
effectively the timing based
Movements of the of the opponent mid and that's what Leshrac was gonna suffer against but then they just go
in the storm spirit, which I think sniper still wins this lane, but he does in terms of every
lane though. Yeah in terms of the game itself. He wins the lane until level six and then storm
kills sniper then the lane doesn't matter. Well that's exactly what they're gonna have to do though.
I think you make rotations mid early this game. When storm gets six or just come at the six
minute mark for the rune, try to make something happen there, play on the sniper. If you allow
a sniper to sit in lane and you don't touch him, he will get incredibly farmed this game
and he will be an issue.
There's also just no Storm Spirit, Storm Spirit right now.
I just don't have the most free Storm Spirit on 18 outside of the laning stage.
And like you mentioned, supports can just come play with Storm Spirit
and equalize the net worth disadvantage that you should have versus my free.
Like the only isolation right now that Spirit have is if either a bad end
goes for Orchid or a bounty hunter, or both even.
Could they ever go Yattaro and Demage?
could they ever I'm just saying I'm seeing less nice to storm yeah I get that
they might I get it maybe activate snipers is too much that's what I was
gonna say it's a bit bold okay but I respect it like if they do it you
know he could one be five I mean he did go troll previous game made it work as
well if they pick do so here for sure it's coming out but there's no way they
picked do so as well that would be like I'm just saying that's maybe the
The option where Anti-Mage for sure comes up, that might be too good.
Maybe Tundra thinks, you know, that Anti-Mage is that bad, that if they can bait it out,
they won anyway.
I mean, is Anti-Mage good for Slash anymore?
I feel like I'm on the max W.
Yeah, that one's still a little scary.
But anyway, I don't think we'll see an Anti-Mage.
I hope not.
I think if you're playing a No-Slam draft versus Strumsphere, you win by 5-maning
early.
You get objectives as early as possible and run down lanes, because Storm, at earlier stages of the game, does not like playing into 5-man Dota.
He just doesn't deal enough damage, he doesn't have enough of a mana pool, and he doesn't have a means to protect himself.
Well, maybe they could go for a brood mother or something. I don't know if your trope is, but I must say, when brood out, have so much respect for his spirit.
Just go for that 5-man, take every objective, and win early.
It's safe to say 33 will never play Magnus on this team.
It certainly feels like it.
I mean, I feel like 33 just won't play Magnus.
Why not though?
Just, there's some heroes like Mars, Magnus, I've never seen 33 play.
I think 33 admitted like he'll not play Mars.
He'll play Tide though.
He will play Tide, so I think whenever we see this Magnus, it's not even a flex, not for Tundra at least.
No, we've seen stocks that play these ones.
Well, now if Spirit Groups up, like Mirra was suggesting, it's very hard to do that into a tight hunter, so this is a pretty nice pick for Tundra.
Well, the band's Clarkers for the two.
I feel like Spirit is pretty out-drafted so far. I'm just going to be completely honest here. This is not looking good for them.
They need something to tie it all together.
Children off.
Because Dutaro played in the Akkas, because Akkas could be fine. Just in terms of that early tempo that I'm talking about.
They would offer them the tempo they need. I think Alchemist's main nerf is bad.
Go on second!
Oh, carry about it, okay.
So I like Enigma in the sunspots. You will always be able to play against Tidender.
Tidender is usually countered by heroes that don't really care about crack and shell,
so disrupt or Facile Swide, and Black Hole is another one.
I understand the logic behind this pick.
Yeah, it's not really good for us. I'm sorry. I was too busy looking at style on fire, but wait
I hope it's not a meeting
That would be that would be quite to quite unique. I am curious to hearing a opinion of a different draft for game number four
How are you guys doing? We're great. Yeah
Ready for another class with me for a six game final. I've already I've already asked the community for questions
Just in case just ask him about his pro career. He really likes this first PC. Yeah
Lot of really good ones for the community very good. What do you think about the draft? I
Am feeling non-tundra side very heavily heavily. Yeah, I don't I've not seen bounty hunter wind in these playoffs
think this heroes
Cursed right now. You don't have troll. It can't get worse. You know, that's true. The troll did not win that game
I'd like that noted
You are the correct but not carry it. Yep
Jerry's out on that one
well, that's a simple solution, but
You didn't like the draft previous game either. So maybe this time around
They didn't like it and they still do it as well. That's true. I don't like a lot of drafts
My standards are really high, you know, it takes a lot to impress me. So I like a dyno
You do like him, but never bet against the white mon on dying. Oh my God. That's true statement.
He says that about every guy. That's not true.
Alright, fair final thoughts for all going through here.
We do, man.
Estreide is a true over, dude. He only likes heroes nobody plays.
What?
I'm just here.
Oh, he likes to carry over.
I'm dying.
Necrophos, anyway, I'm out.
Anyway, it is time to once again go to our fourth game of this best of five grand final
Go Viola for Champanas!
Avery said, hopefully we get a game five.
First time in Dota 2, K3 that we have six games in a best of five.
As we have a new draft underway, we already heard your thoughts on it.
You liked Tundra's draft. Do you like it more than you did in the first game four?
Oh, so I like how you're thinking of game five.
I hope we get a game four.
Just give me the game four first to worry about the game five later.
That's true. That's your good point.
I feel as though this Undyne pick was pretty smart.
It's not a hero we've seen a lot,
but again, I think Tundra's adjustment
in that previous draft,
and in this one was upping the team fight.
Team fight, team fight, team fight.
Exactly, just more control, more AOE,
more scaling presence in the team fights,
eliminating that advantage that Spirit had.
We saw that with the Darkseer previously,
and I think Undyne is a hero that gives that to you,
as well as putting an immense amount of pressure
on this Abaddon pick,
so much that they dodged the lane matchup
and ended up picking Enigma,
Which is a hero that's very good versus Undyne and enables the bounty on the lane, does solve some of those problems.
But this is still a very good Tombstone game. If the Badden or the Sniper don't kill it, it's going to do some work here.
I also think this teamfight duel between the Winter Wyvern and the Undyne is one that goes back a decent amount.
And generally, I feel Undyne just comes out favorite.
Well, this is a different player who is DC'd than our normal list, oh, okay, wow.
Keep going Avery, keep talking about DC.
Anyway, Wyvern kind of acts as a long-term teamfight sustainable.
Just look at these impressions here.
Deep breath from Radon. Deep breath.
We're gonna ignore everything that's happening. We're just gonna continue with the analysis.
Basically, when you curse, before you freeze people under Undying spells, it's not a lot of fun.
The Tombstone keeps running. You're not killing the Tombstone when either of those spells comes off.
The zombies pile up, you get another decay, you get another heal.
It tends to just go in the favor of the Undying.
Wyvern's not a burst oriented hero.
Undyne's a hard target to curse down.
He gets a lot of bonus HP.
So I don't know.
I always felt like this matchup was pretty good for Undyne.
And he kind of wins out of the teamfights.
Okay.
Any other heroes that you, is just the Undyne that you like about it?
Because they did double down on teamfight between the Magnus and the Tidehunter.
Oh, that's right.
Hello.
It's the old friendly site.
I hope you got your questions ready there Austin.
I do have my questions.
I feel the question of community. Are you ready for them? I am very ready. Okay. You're you're with some question e-nose
All right, hold on I have to pull them up to talk about the game or something. Why pull the ice on me to start talking
Yeah, about randomly. I mean kind of your job
Yeah, but is there a game
You know is the one I also have I feel like I have not seen claps play a summons here a long time
It must stay out the same oh yeah, and if you remember there was that patch where he started getting more into it
He started playing the visage. Yeah, and the lichen specifically or the to the canal. He does play the Beastmaster, but that's
Beast is not but a seven zero for a while for sure get that out of there
So I think his liking and visage got a lot better
Over that like six months in they play the locks
They wanted to compete with you know the aces and the
33s in the world
But I've not been playing in a long time. Yeah, and it is a hero that
that gets spirits wheelhouse as a big team fighter
can give you some early laning prowess,
scales pretty hard, clutch hero right,
the definition of a clutch player hero.
So I was, I'm mostly kind of excited to see
what claps can bring to the table with this.
Other team fights, just wanna check for a couple of things.
Other team fight heroes,
somebody asked about death profit.
Why are we not seeing death profit
if we are talking about heroes
that are more durable in the meta,
talk about heroes that bring a lot of team fight to it.
We did see some death prophets.
Camille was playing it, remember?
We did see it once.
Do you feel like that hero has promised
given what you saw from Camille?
I think that hero's fine.
I think that hero suffers from the item problem, right?
What are the good items in the patch
and are you building good items of the patch
on death profit?
I just feel like you aren't.
Okay, what do you really build on death profit?
What are the good items of the patch?
Well, if you're playing the all-plane DP,
which I think has been more popular recently,
She's not a halberd buyer. She's not really a vanguard buyer. Yeah, not a vanguard buyer
Not a there's nothing to build with helmet dominator. There's not a lot to build
In terms of like glimmer cape mage layer that we see a lot of yeah doesn't really utilize them all or just want to build them
I guess you can go mage layer to profit
It's kind of if you right sounds I think she also suffers from the big cool down problem
I think she has a big ulti cool down to deal damage. I
Think some of those heroes have been hit or miss this patch because some teams are just gonna play really fast like the bad
in the mix, just runs at you bounty hunters.
Do you think that she's too dependent on her ultimate?
Because in this game, we have Enigma, we have Tidehunter.
Those are long, cool-down ultimate.
Yeah, but Enigma is a good example of,
yeah, you have a big cool-down ultimate,
but he's not dependent on it.
But the Enigma gameplay is all about the idols.
And he buys good items.
He buys drums, he buys greaves,
he can buy Crimson, Halberd,
we're seeing Halberd and Enigma.
Yeah.
Like, he can buy all the whores.
DP just doesn't use the whores as well,
her downtime is way worse than a hero like a Nipilus who can still have a lot of presence
on the map, take early towers with Iolans, you're not dependent on that cooldown.
I don't know, I think DP does have a place. I think it's a decent last pick in a lot of drafts,
but there's often a better hero to last pick. I think that's the biggest problem for her.
DP is in the meta when you can first pick that hero, because she flexes the lanes.
It's very hard to punish her with lane matchups across that flex.
And even when you do, she can still deliver you strong spells from a loss lane, gold-wise.
So it's a really nice hero when you can early pick it in the meta.
But if you can't, then the hero's just not.
You know, that's how I feel.
Okay, fair enough.
Um, so I'm gonna eat two people last.
Top three most memorable moments in bonus history.
Objectively?
Is this like a tier list?
What is yours I?
Remember a lot of okay for me instantly the no-tail handshake right? Oh, that's well. That's an out of game one
I mean I only got a little bit. I was gonna do to choose history. I mean I remember
To mail tossing our TZ into the
Yeah, tiny game I remember that one I remember
the
EG e-home game e-g home. I was classic. Were you coaching? Yeah, well, that's why I remember it
Yeah, I told you that so I was sitting in the stands and my reaction after when I came was like, oh shit
Some emails ego is gonna be out of control now. There's no way I can coach anything
Yeah, it's like it's over dude, you just arrowed someone out on these
My job is one of the stick is blaze of all time. I remember
I still have that the like near picture perfect memory
I don't remember most things when it comes to Dota
But I remember he threw that arrow and it was a line of creeps
So wherever he ended up on the omni slash like that arrow was good
I was just likely it was just like the perfect situation coated in Sting's will play. Yeah, I remember
The OG comebacks at TI a I mean there there were so many of them
But those definitely stand out the TI-8 actually most memorable bracket final in Grand Final
I really remember that game that they had the monkey on the night draft
Yeah, or stem just ran mid with the on the night
Super early
They were very far. I remember that one well that's much. I mean your memory is pretty bad. I think we've established that yeah
It is uh
I am for a memory for me really early one
uh, Bulba Clockwork.
That's dirty, I'm like, you're supposed to throw that out there.
I remember that because I was there, and I watched Bulba pop off from the stage, run out
in the Benaroya Hall, into like the foyer area, and then like, you know...
Oh, that clock came?
Yeah, that clock came.
That's not a...
And he gets surrounded by a bunch of fans, and it was a pretty hype.
I thought you were going to say the Bulba Magnus game, though.
No, okay, I remember that one.
It was memorable.
Come on, man, come on.
Hey, don't hate the player.
Hate the game.
You know what I'm saying?
The techies pick TI5, DC versus Wings.
Oh, the Pudge techies.
They threw game one.
Pudge techies.
And then all the analysts, panels were like,
Oh, there's, they have a chance.
And then Wings was like, no, you don't have a chance.
It was, it was really nice of Wings to give.
Okay, maybe that was a little me, but you know, he gave it.
It wasn't a 3-0.
It was nice of them.
Yeah, they absolutely would have just swept that finals, I think.
Yeah.
But that was a pretty go-to DC squad when you look back on it.
Oh yeah.
Coach Blitz, TI winner now.
Misery.
TI runner up.
He wasn't coach for that tournament.
Blitz?
He was coach after.
Are you sure?
He was coaching Liquid.
Oh, my God.
That TI.
Well, he's a TI winner now anyway, so it won't work out, you know?
And then he coached but that roster had after that when they picked up
But he was on the planet odd squad. Yeah plan on but misery Soxa
Right ti finalist go on to win another ti now. He's
Legendary player. Yep resolution
Would who would later go into that other ti finals with secret? Yeah, and we ha who would also go into another ti finals of liquid
Yeah
And there's Mu who was like the glue guy
not as good a trajectory but you know that's how that goes.
We got kicked later on and they picked up Moonmander.
But it's kind of crazy that three out of those players would go on to be in another TI final.
Yeah, they had some.
Pretty stacked, pretty stacked.
I think it's an interesting part of Dota, you can look back on a lot of these games.
There's a lot of stacked games in the history of Dota that never
achieved greatness with the stacked roster compared to when they split in the future
and you know went to a bunch of different rosters because so much of this game and
anything competitive about timing and a little bit of luck right being in the
right place at the right time just because you have talent skill doesn't
mean you're gonna be a good team yeah chemistry he's synergy you had a
venom make it to the Boston Major finals right they were a great team at that
event right yeah insane amount of chemistry and synergy but maybe not
necessarily the raw skill to compete long-term with some of the other top
teams part and did a back flip on the stage man like that that was
It was unbelievable or a-
That was unbelievable.
You were reckless in hindsight.
That man would have almost,
I would have broken my neck with my luck.
Yeah, I still remember, was it like,
one of the DACs or whatever?
Yeah, one of the DACs.
One of the, like when they were like $500,000
tournament midway, it was like the winter TI sort of deal.
And I remember people playing basketball.
Oh yeah dude.
Yeah, a bunch of players still in the tournament
playing basketball.
Those games were so bad too.
They were so bad.
Like every Dota player thought he's LeBron James.
And none of them could do anything.
So the male definitely thought he was LeBron James.
He played no defense.
He was just sitting there just feeling like a step current.
He was just like, yo.
After the ball, institutes a three off cooldown.
Like this.
This guy thinks he's Storm Spirit on the court
or something.
Ridiculous.
A lot of people got injured in those games.
That was good.
Also not good in hindsight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember there was a, nevermind.
I got into it with somebody, I was one of those games.
Oh, care to spill the beef.
Okay, so there was a...
Fresh beef off the...
It was not a player, it was one of the managers.
One of the managers kept on driving to the basket
and he was really aggressive with it.
I know what you're talking about, yeah.
And so, nobody else was playing G-Fight against this guy.
He was just driving in every single time, right?
So I like he's being really aggro. He's pushing people around.
So, you know, I get in front of him, I push him back a little by pushing back, right?
Classic. And then he gets mad at me.
I'm like, bro, what are you doing? Like, brother, like, you're just slamming into people,
driving into the basket because you're bigger than everybody else.
I'm pushing back a little bit. He gets, he gets a little mad about it.
And so the next time he was like, he was like, Oh, you moving your feet and stuff.
So the next time I just get in front of, I plant my feet just full on.
He just slams into me and I'm like, my feet were planted. What do you want?
What's the point of this story? I don't know. Okay. Thank you Austin. I was really enlightening. Wait you
Basically you took 30 minutes to tell us that you tanked the charge
But it's literally could you just say you took a charge from a manager?
That's all you that's the entire story. No, you asked me why I got mad at somebody
That was the story that you've been holding on for the entire
That was what you're gonna play to the audience. There was that's where you were dangling. I hate you. That was embarrassing
I think I've probably told better stories in my sleep
Other memorable bonus?
No, I want to hear another story.
That was so bad, it was good.
Like, I don't even know how that's...
That's the classic, you know, 30-minute story of a video game.
It was just 30 seconds!
Well, it felt like 30 minutes. I'm not gonna lie.
I was... Oh my god.
I was encompassed in that, and it did not have a good payoff.
It did not have a good ending.
The writing needed improvement.
The plot structure was really bad.
characterization vacant
The emotional appeal completely missing. Let's not even get to the the structure
Construction completely black. I mean honestly, did you even try?
You probably tried more taking the charge that you did tell on that story
That was a better story than your story. It's my ranting about the story that just proves my point
My ranting about your dog shit story was more entertaining the story. That's embarrassing dude
Take a charge on that take a knee or something dude. God damn
Okay, well, we're gonna go to a break here cuz Austin I
Have cut Avery's microphone. We're gonna go to a break everybody. We hope you guys enjoyed this intermission
and we'll be back soon.
Come make me, make me, let's go to a break.
I dare you, I dare you.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Pint My Profile,
I'm Odie Putsul, I'm here with Mr. BSJ slash Mr. Brian
and we're gonna fix up each other's Dota 2 profiles.
This is E. Brian here.
You've never done anything with yours right Brian, this is...
I'm the default guy, you know,
the type that always says I should do something for that
and then I never do.
On the other hand though,
It looks like Owen has 20 Queen of Paints on his profile,
but he actually alerted us when we pull up his matches.
It's a smart thing.
It is the last hero he played.
So.
It's dynamic.
So it is dynamic.
I don't even know how you do that.
And there's some cool stuff you can do.
It will be gone after this, regardless,
as I will be pimping your profile, Owen.
Well, I'm gonna use your signature heroes, Owen.
Okay.
And can I, I can customize.
Oh, I can customize your cosmetics.
Yeah, you can customize.
Some of them you can like choose the animation.
You told me you have the battle fire that's really important.
I'm going to see what heroes are your best heroes.
I feel like Owen just always buys battle fury.
PL's your most play.
Yeah.
PL, Lena, Slot.
I was all the carries.
I don't want Owen to have too much spoilers,
but we're definitely sticking to the void centric.
I'll never forget the challenge
you did where you climbed MMR with Faze's Void on it.
I approve of these top heroes of yours.
The showcase budget has been reached.
Yeah, you've gotta be small about the budget, Brian.
Oh, you mentioned that earlier.
Yeah.
Can I increase my budget?
Not.
Decom.
Just mentioning it.
I wasn't, you literally, no, I pulled, oh my gosh.
I accidentally cleared it, it's fine.
It's not nearly as good as if it had like infinite budget
but that's just like it.
I was trying to spell your name OD
with your favorite heroes
and the O just looks kind of block letter-ish now
because I wanted, I had like 10 faces with.
It's not terrible.
Yeah, I like it.
It's not terrible.
I don't know if it's instantly recognizable as OD.
And I wanted the hint of your old cosmetics in there, so I originally had all of them
taunting, but I can't do the taunt and the cosmetics at the same time.
Well, there might be a way.
Maybe we don't know.
Oh, it's actually the budget.
Yeah, I'm not sure, honestly.
There probably is, and people are going to judge me for it, so.
There's going to be some experts.
No, I don't hate it.
I don't hate it.
I take that.
We did similar stuff for it, just in different volume.
I'm a minimalistic.
Then I gave you some stats here. That's good. This is not really that impressed. Well, I guess it's not that bad
I see says you're pretty but like so what made you go with this size because I feel like you could go like well bigger
Yeah, bigger. I don't know. I was worried about the limit and
If I had to do bigger letters with kind of this size of icons actually I could have made on size no on the budget
No, I could have made the icons bigger and it wouldn't cost me any extra budget
I might keep this style, but make the icons like a bigger. I like that. No, that's kind of cool
I was wondering why you were looking for purple heroes.
Yeah, I just wanted to stick with the colors and as it was there's a lot of purple heroes
in the game, a lot of red heroes in the game, a lot of blue heroes in the game.
And you know I'm not toxic so you didn't do any green heroes.
I didn't.
Actually there's a lot of green heroes.
Green when I'm fit as well.
The blues, the reds, the purples are much nicer.
Thank you man.
No worries Brian.
Well there we go ladies and gentlemen.
It's a successful time here on Pimp My Profile.
We've both come away as very happy owners of some brand new, very fresh profiles here
on Dose 2.
Have a lovely day.
Come tonight is, come tonight is, okay.
Oh, okay, I got it.
Artesie has a sleep paralysis theme in the shadow theme, huh?
Okay, right, too obvious, sure.
Oh, don't do an award show!
Don't do something around for like 18 years!
How come we don't have an award show?
It's perfect!
Look, come on, bro!
That's actually a good one, bro!
No, it's not a good one.
Think about it.
Actually, think about it.
Imagine what a Dota 2 award show would actually look like.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Dota 2 Defense of the Award Show for the video game Dota 2,
Defense of the Ancients Dota. We are here now to announce the winner, but before we get into
that, let me remind you one more time of your nominees. Fear, 23 Savage, FY, and ATF.
And the award for most excited victory celebration goes to...
Fear Fear come catch your award buddy!
Excuse me where is it?
Hello? Fear?
Oh he's gone.
Okay uh oh this is a huge one.
Let us now begin our induction into the Hall of Fame.
This one is for those dildo players that have been around for so long
long but are still here and kicking butt today. Ladies and gentlemen, you know them, you love
them, please welcome puppy. Oh, he's not here. Okay, that's okay because there's plenty of other
good old players to be inducted in instead. Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together
for Kuroki. Oh, the hall of fame inductee is Sumail. Oh, it's Miracle. Okay, mind control.
He's actually good. He's not here. He's I thought
Great and best-seeding position
boxy
33
Ramsey and blitz
And now it's time for a crowd favorite. We have team fight of the year your first nominee is gonna be
Horolik versus gaming gladiators at ESL one Birmingham next up BB team versus the Tormenter at
at ESL One Colour Lumpur.
You know this one.
It's Boxy's Lion Stun out of ESL One Colour Lumpur.
And Gabby and Abed at the Blacklist International Teamhouse.
And the winner is, of course, Boxy's Lion Stun
at ESL One Colour Lumpur.
Ah, look at that!
Unbelievable!
Add together.
And your final category of the night, thank goodness, is going to be least retired player of the year.
Your nominees are...
Crit!
Amé!
Oh!
Get some of his name out of your f***ing mouth!
Hey, I...
Do you have something that you want to say about Amé or...
I'm going to give you a heart attack, why are you already doing it up here?
So...
Superalist in the night?
Yeah!
Yeah, sleep or I'll just do that.
Okay, let's go.
All my life, I've just been trying to do the right thing.
Just trying to be there for people,
to help them when they need it.
You know, open doors.
I know they can open the doors,
but I'm still there.
Whoa, back it's killing me.
Geez.
I just wanna be there for people
to make their lives a little bit easier,
just so that their day goes a little bit better.
Never mind. It feels fine for some reason.
It's better.
It doesn't always get appreciated.
It's electrical, actually.
But I'm still there.
I feel great.
Whatever way I can.
Sometimes it might seem basic.
I know that they could get their own things,
but I'm just there happy to help.
Yo, watch me sink this.
I just want a home.
I was doing something wrong.
I need it.
It's so good.
Teach them things.
If it's overly simplistic and obvious to
85% of people.
There's no toilet paper.
No, that other 15%
they need my help.
I want to be there for those people.
Leave it out.
That's the kind of energy that I want to bring.
And you know, sometimes this is actually the place in the United States where four states do touch each other
We're gonna have some issues with that
Thanks, Perch!
Sometimes I say thank you
It's crazy your journey to how you managed to escape. I can't believe it
Can you tell us the story again?
Again? Yeah, come on dude, tell us again
Okay, this is the story of how I escaped in AGL
So there I was locked up. I hadn't seen my home in five years.
Apart from in between tournaments.
Are you gonna let me tell the story or what?
Apologies.
So there I was, sitting all alone, until this bird flies right near me.
There was a falcon who dropped the key right into my hands.
And just like that, I was out.
What a delightful story.
Well, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are happy to have you here.
Two crit.
Two crit.
Crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, crit, are you ok?
We got a play soon.
Oh, sorry.
Can you believe this guy?
We're about to play.
You're a crit.
Playtime.
Geesto good in that one.
This guy is better than I am.
Ok, there is a oddrescent build on Chen.
His item build, SMI decelerator.
Thought it was like a chat build.
It's Sigma. What's he seeing as the wolf, you know?
He doesn't even bother the micro creeps.
He's like too genius, you know?
94 last hits, also his camera movement is a bit slow.
This guy is at least like...
Top 100.
But at the same time, low dust.
When was the last time Nisha had a dust?
Nisha is also like ancient in a way, you know?
I think it's actually might be Nisha on the Smurf.
We're sure not Immortal, right?
I would say it's probably not Herald.
The guy is playing Chen.
I think Chen on Herald probably is already a bit too much.
I don't want to show it to you, I just want to give it to you.
Legend level, kind of. Like in the middle, you know? Not terrible, not great.
Did you say legend? Or we can go legend?
Maybe like Guardian?
I don't know like the ranks, I just say, I can say the Flunky Hammer.
Okay, it's Guardian Church, it's our answer.
So, I think it's Get Out.
That thing is Guardian.
I would say Legend.
It's a terrible close, no close.
I actually thought it would be higher.
This guy has had like unlucky teammates his entire life.
Clearly, he knows what he's doing.
Like, a shield at the press, a shield at the bill.
13 denies.
112 CS, 7 kills.
Good camera usage.
He knows how to lane.
It doesn't give you much, you know?
He's too confident.
Okay, okay, there is a big detail at the end.
Did you see?
He bought Boots of Shadows level 2.
Also, if you look at the minimap,
say, where the wards are placed in this game are kind of like,
they're like brain wards, you know?
Okay, so if you buy Boots of Shadows level 2,
Do I think auto? At least you have to be like 2k and what?
And are you a booster?
He has good KDA, good, yes, good denials.
I also build also like a card.
Well, you are a legendary hero or a legend.
I'm a legend, yes, but I'm a legend.
I'm thinking immortal or divine.
This is not like bot wars.
So this is probably like immortal.
I'm okay with immortal.
Yeah, you should be like 5k and what?
Something like this. Yes, this is what? Divine?
Mm-hmm. Divine I would say, yeah.
Maybe like lower mortal, but probably divine.
You think it's like maybe archon or legends?
Yeah, my bet is legend.
I would say D1.
I would say mortal actually.
Archon?
What impressive for Archon.
I need to go play an Archon bracket, cause this guy is better than I am.
It's still inflation in the order.
He's too good in that time.
Okay, we suck at this.
I remember this one.
Okay, back up your auto attack, get locked by Olga, oh my god.
Gaming my boy, everyone makes mistakes, alright? It happens.
Sometimes when you're playing pubs, you overextend to know your limits.
That's just how the auto works.
And I feel like this Olga definitely grieved you.
That is right, that is right. I was gonna say, I think this Abba looks like a immortal player,
like top 10, but well logged by the old game.
And from, I mean I am obviously not in this clip, but if I was,
I feel like the moment where you see him open the scoreboard and click on the Ogre profile
is because he's reporting him.
But there's some signs that this is a good player.
He's like, bought a raindrop versus Lich.
That's good.
At 7 minutes, he has 30 CS.
Also good.
The Ogre perhaps has been boosted.
Like this guy, I don't know what he's doing in this game.
He was, he was.
The Ogre was so bad.
I mean, if I was in that game, that's how I would feel anyways.
also I feel like I see that the dislike is called the Radan so I think that guy might be a Toro
and letting him see a Toro is never easy so we need to give this Abba some credit.
Thanks for watching guys this has been Yaboi Saberlight with his boy Insane Nya and yeah
catch you on the flippity flop.
Laaa crazy feeding.
He is a legend that's for sure.
They're a great king, Mirana, a lot of heroes, like Ancient or DIY.
I like her team's name, Wake up to the Real.
That and Bill is good.
By the way, Bill is the best.
He's a good player.
He got a kill of 5 heroes.
Not the best rupture, but...
But his score is kind of bad.
7-6.
Yeah, he died a lot.
He lained against Brood, Mirana.
Yeah, he have like meta, meta built on Bloodseeker and yeah, he just kill 5 hitters because it's Bloodseeker.
I mean, this just looks like your average carry player, you know? He right clicked and then he ruptured a guy that would not need to be ruptured.
I feel like anyone can do that. If you're playing carry, you just like press your DQ to like spread some blood and then you press BKB and that's it.
I mean, this is definitely the build for Bloodseeker. It was like normal team fighting. He knows he needs to stick on targets.
It looks like immortal to me, just because of the item build.
Maybe it's Hanuman, because everyone has guilt.
He has the correct build, he has the correct priorities in teamfights.
Everything was clean on the clip at least.
He carried the teamfight, he carried the game.
This guy has a good carry player, you know what I mean?
Everybody is good, according to Insignia.
I just compared him to my own gameplay, and then I feel like they're all golden.
I think she played good except for the fact that he didn't rupture boots.
The draft is like Storm, Brodan is not dressed like that anymore.
Yeah, Brodan was dressed like that.
I think it's Titan.
I think it's really dressed like that.
What is the one under Immortals? I think he's not rank. This guy was really good.
I'm okay with Divine.
I mean it's for sure Immortals, but I don't know how much Immortals.
I'd say for sure it's Immortals, 100%.
Yeah, Legend Ancient, some of it is Ancient.
Go Ancient.
So, we think it's like a divine or immortal rank?
I bet this is divine.
I will say divine.
I will say ancient.
Laaa...
But it was close, we had the right plot for us.
He is a legend, that's for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Maybe he's a new rising star.
This guy in a 40 minute game has the same farm as the other guy in a 17 minute game.
He has 3-11 score, low last hits, so it's already kind of a lower and more game.
I think he's gonna be low like
The enemy is kind of crazy. They're just diving like that
They could be for what?
In this case like an unreal pot
Well, I was thinking my new technique is if they use edge pan, they're back and he's using edge pan
This looks like a low rank game. I
I mean, I just feel like, okay, first of all, this little bro has a negative farm.
But he has to lane against the worst, but that's hard. That's really hard.
I feel like the biggest giveaway that this is a pop game is, look at the ODs like teamfights.
He like, runs in, press his ult, dies to two spells, force out himself while he's ruptured, and just dies.
No one would pick OD above Scarlet, you know?
Enemy was pushing Hacker out of Nippo, but still farming.
It was nice.
It was very nice.
Yeah, this is like a hero game.
The thing is with hero players, they can just pick whatever hero looks like cool, you know?
And then they just press a lot of it.
I think this is a very low and more game.
This guy is pretty bad, and the CS, the hero's pick, how he's moving his camera, all of it,
just kind of indicates that.
I'm not sure about the ancients.
Axe strafing really good
Jump, he press Bifiki before jump
But it also says it would be at least one of them in our game
I'll move P with Herald or Guardian
The Sun Guardian
Okay, this time it has to be Guardian
Agilegent
Like Crusader, we're missing Crusader
Okay, Crusader then
Let's guess it
I think it's Emsham
I guess it's Immortals
Ash on
Guardian
Oh, I don't see this Q score
Little bro has been crazy heating classic smurf classic smurf. I feel like we guessed which bracket they should be in
Not which bracket that they are in. Thanks for watching guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right. Everyone ready to go?
Okay, I'm killing I'm so pumped up to play this new patch
Good afternoon a valued customer. I am your match advisor here to find you the highest quality
So, let's take a look at what we got going on here. Oh
Yeah, this is a r-
Good afternoon, valued customer.
I am your match invite.
Oh, it's you again, hey.
Please don't interrupt me first.
Secondly, we're going to keep finding
questionable matches
because of this guy.
You got a Herald in your party.
That guy? He's just playing for fun.
Oh, he plays for fun!
Yeah, kick him. Kick that guy.
No, no, no, no. I'm not kicking him.
Good afternoon, valued customer.
Again?
I'm not going to find a good match
this dude. Behavior score is fine. Location is fine. There's a Herald in your team.
Okay, fine.
Ready up and when he says yes, check him anyway.
Sorry to me. Are you out?
Wait, what?
Behavior score is not looking good. He's got a toxic.
Well, K-behavior score. Surprisingly also questionable.
Okay, these guys are way too nice. Oh yeah, nobody speaks English on that
team so really good English probably better than you honestly it's been
questionable it will continue to be questionable can't have to delay you
take this one because this guy's gonna disconnect after about ten seconds so
you want to waste your time go nuts you wonder where Anna's been he's been right
there in that stack no I count buyers that is not a good thing that is a
It's good. It's ideal. Oh, thank God. Thank you so much for your patience as you can imagine.
This is a very frustrating situation for everyone involved. I'd ask you not to take
the frustration out on other people, but it's come to the point where we have decided
to reschedule the remainder of the Grand Finals. It will be happening on Tuesday, as in 4th
of March, 4pm, 1600 CET. Mark that in your calendars. Keep your eyes on every social media
channel to stay properly updated with everything. The Grand Finals will be live on this very
channel. But for now, for this evening, that is the end of the broadcast. Thank
Thank you so much for tuning in and for sticking around through such a long period of time.
We are still going to end tonight in style though because of course the PogChampandas
are here to close out the night with me.
So thank you for tuning in.
See you Tuesday.