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of the night.
Good afternoon. Not so much
morning this time around for
day number four in the Malta for
our Blast slam six. And as you
can see, there's a few more
people on the desk to get you
through today. We finally
united forces. All right, all
all four of us on desk here starting up with T because I haven't seen you in a
little bit. You're my you're my Blossom staple. So how are we doing? Yeah it's gonna
feel weird because like we've been like mud logging you know two people all the
time you have a sport you say it now we have to work together again. It's gonna
be it's gonna be a tough game. It's gonna be so difficult. I feel like Kasey is the one that's gonna throw us off the most because it's been a while since I've seen you on my desk.
Mm-hmm it's about them time isn't it? It feels good. Happy to be here. Thank you thank you.
No, I was worried after three days of funding. How could you possibly that's true and Quinn? Oh, unfortunately, we're going to look exactly
obvious one such a low hanging fruit. Yeah, I mean, okay. Hit Quinn with a high hanging fruit then hit him with fruit from the top of the
tree. Are you working next?
You can see my chain, depending on your performance today, and look things out you can definitely
change for our teams depending on their performance today because our group stages are all done
and dusted, best of ones put aside, but we're going to give you a quick recap of how our
lost 11 best of ones to play out.
and Gaurd does nothing to stop Skeeter as he just continues to focus them down one by one.
He's trying to stop the fight, Michael Bars lay down, he gets a 3-mile back, you can roll it,
and he's like, I want to fight from your patch! Last two, three of them down!
He's running them down, trying to find these other heroes, and he's doing a ton of damage,
takes out the Disruptor, Searing James gets the Soar Spirit, the Toss, the Avalanche,
plus the damage from the colleagues ends up being an ultra kill.
Swat ride is showing again and on.
With the opening stun, out of the connector, Swat out though. Take one, one down, put the game on a full-bound ravage.
Into the break, pushing them all back. Bursting Swat fly, F fly is gone.
As if the last G-Rat junior might be the easier target, but again, the chain starts off the mark.
Kick off the bomb, holding them back in liquid. You have to run.
Maybe they can find their target. Absolutely not.
She's got to dance away. Team Yeniks are making liquid look like fools.
They need these heroes. The hookshot comes in from Big Nub.
Pristles, he gets pushed back in to Black Hole.
It's Ganyll to find the Pristles back from Kandyn.
Killing time. The win-laker was already spent.
They got a second BKB.
I throw in Timbersaw. Now caught in the Black Hole as well.
Yamside will finish the job.
Two dead and Celery tried desperately to get anything out of this.
So to try to turn it around, and he's got a full heal from this,
Big Nub goes in, gets the Black Hole.
Can you save them?
Here's the requiem.
But yeah, the throne. You've got to just finish the game.
It was all the way down to the wire for these standings even the last game between
mouse and heroic matted as to where they placed for themselves and also had an
impact on our top two which ended up being Na'Vi and OG making it straight to the
the finals. We'll be seeing
them and look at it. Our
predictions. This is the fun of
best of ones. But also the fact
that you get to be the first
tournament of the year after a
little bit of a break and a
little bit of roster stops for
some people to none of us had the
top two correct. I don't know
if anyone out there really
would have, and it seems the
only thing that was green was
predicting Reconyx down the
again that's it you just saw the region exactly I gave them hope I yeah yeah yeah
wait you'll see about that I think you did just saying all right first of all
I'm 12 not 16. Well, it does
leave us with the plan brackets.
Though that was a lot of essence
play in play in bracket. Just
one. A lot of essence. Yeah,
that's just move on. We can
just move on. We got our last
chance qualifying teams. That
was the bottom for that's why T
was sort of saying that it's a
mishmash of the same things
because they are at least in the
in the same position.
Then we have our middle of the pack teams
seeing Yandex and Spirit come up against each other,
Falcons and Extreme Gaming.
So having our TI finals run back there.
Tundra will await whoever wins out of heroic and reclinics.
And that means Liquid will take on either game
legion or mouse, which is super weird to be saying
mouse down there.
Yeah, they've definitely underperformed.
And that top half of the bracket is heckin' crazy.
It's like all top four teams and they're playing
for two slots to go to the top six, like that's wild.
And if you were liquid yesterday, you're watching going,
oh, we're already gonna be through,
uh-oh, one second, you've done it again,
now they're having to play today.
So it's like, I feel like you're gonna feel pretty annoyed
if you're liquid.
Liquid got a bit, noisestabled yesterday.
You got some score, you don't get the other stuff going on.
You're watching like this live game with like the throws
that like going back and forth.
It's like the most you will ever cheer for like another team.
Usually, like, please like stop doing it, stop throwing,
stop throwing, and then they just do it again.
I think maybe the worst feeling could possibly be,
you're like, they've got it in the bag.
This guy's, Tyler's popping off.
That's it, he's gonna close that.
He's cured it for us.
And then you just see everything kind of unravel
and you're a little bit like, yeah.
We gotta hear the TeamSpeak files on what we're saying.
Gotta hear the leaks.
The leaks, look, we can get into the leaks later on
because right now we're gonna be talking about
the heroes of what we've seen over the last three days.
We condensed all of our best of ones.
We had 22 each day over two streams
and that gave us some very interesting stats
we do look at our heroes right now so these are our most picked ones and for me what's the
not so I don't know if interesting is the right word but one that creeps out above the rest is
Tiny. Yeah he's been played 27 times but it's the amount of times he's been played either in mid or
as an offline support the fact that we're kind of going back to this old Tiny meta where he's not
really winning games is that a nice way to say it? I mean in some way I just feel like a post-4
more timings looked a lot better than like this mid-tiny in a lot of the games like to me ember is like the only really nice
Standout hero that people pick like more often than the others and it's just like stable in most games unless people like find this
Big counter pick because other myths to me. They just seem kind of very lackluster
Yeah, ember is very powerful
And I think the marshes the other stand out like he's first picked every game and he's above 50%
Yeah, the rest of them are all like 45% which I think you often expect the first picks to have bad winners
But these seem like weirdly bad almost
I just double-checked the win rate on Tiny as well. So support Tiny, 57% win rate. Okay, looking pretty good. Mid lane Tiny, 30%
It's so trash. It's yeah
It's mid lane only is the reason why the hero looks as bad as it is
But players like Auri in the 4 position Saxo as well, they're gonna play it and it's gonna be really really good
It looks phenomenal that Lago is also that other interesting one being added to the captain's mode so quickly after coming into Dota
It actually feels like he's one of the quickest heroes to be added to captain's mode after its inception into the game there
and a lot of teams not knowing where to place him.
We've talked about it a lot, but yeti, it's like
a similar sort of stats, I'm sure, of prevalent
whether he's played off lane or in position 4 or position 5.
Yeah, the thing with Lago is like, teams just don't understand it.
It's just like you're randomly picking it without contacts.
I think Navi's done a pretty good job at making sure
there's like a razor or some here to actually utilize the croak.
And yeah, it's always going to be a thing when a new hero comes in.
You're just going to pick it and then kind of forget about it.
It's kind of strengths.
So some teams shouldn't touch Lago.
Other teams are really dominating with it.
I mean, especially with it coming into Captain Smoke so quickly,
I think barely half the players truly know how good the hero is,
because I feel like Valve kind of did a quick one.
Like usually you have a year, you have like a year, then it comes,
but this one, they're like, nope, here you go, brothers, free pickings.
Yeah, I like this. I think it's a way better style,
because it's just like, I just figure it out.
And then they'll patch accordingly, the hero, it's just kind of funny, honestly.
It's just a good dig. New hero, I don't think that was the one.
That was the one, Cameron. That's all right.
It will have you as solo.
We have enough Largos that it will happen again.
There's so many from you.
I think you got to keep those tongues in your mouth boys, all right?
Let's talk about the outliers of heroes being picked up
because we're all focusing on the Lagos, the Mazes, the Tynes
but there are very niche picks coming out from teams to great success.
This Underlord looking fantastic and he's also still a little bit of a flex.
I believe we saw him in the carry role.
So Offlane is where he stereotypically is.
He had that one patch where people loved him in the carry and it feels like remnants are still there.
That hero is OP as hell.
Like it's one of the best offlaners like by far.
I believe I mean if you look at this whole list, there's quite a lot of offlaners. I mean a platform beast this hero should get
Real fast
That's just so rough. Yeah, it's more how it even won. Yeah, it should be it should be two in ten, right?
Technically, okay, technically. We can get into that, but I'm surprised he's even won one game right now
The hero the hero was very bad
The brew right all win rate also surprises me the hero is first picked every game
So like you don't expect it to be super high
But I feel like 5 and 11 you got a backup like put the zero second phase you should not be first picking it when it's like doing this
Jeans dark to OG pretty much doing all the heavy lifting right out the six wins five of them are on OG one from liquid
So any two teams have tried touching the hero in which the majority is OG our top two team
Potentially coming into you know the next three days
Maybe other teams start trying to copy it because it's clearly working for you. Yeah
I have a couple here
So I'd like to talk about because I think that might be here simple like creep up in priority
I think to me one of them is the carry Muirata
I don't know how you guys feel about this here
But I think in a meta like this where you've got a lot of the auras
I think having mixed high damage can be pretty nice
You guys have any text? I think I think it's a very good hero might I feel like most people can't play this hero genuinely
I feel like there's like three maybe four carry players. It's like Watson pure Yatoro and then like
It's Parker
I think the rest of the people, they're not anime enough, they're not blue lock pills.
Yeah, I feel like that's pretty good.
How about the next one? I have Phoenix on the list. This hero for sure is better than what people give the credit for.
That's Matthew Philemon only.
I feel like it also sits different, right? For us, Quinn and I were talking about that Mortar is a non-casual player hero.
You need to be a Mortar spammer to do well.
Phoenix is different. I think you can be a casual Phoenix in Joyo, but I think there are just so many traditional counters
That it's just like you really need to have a good Phoenix. You guys are forgetting about the Ex Nova Phoenix guys
Are you sure about these Phoenix?
You will support Phoenix or core Phoenix?
Either or, I don't care.
He just wants Phoenix.
3 or 5, 3 or 5. Okay, mid Phoenix. I want mid Phoenix.
Oh, I was about to say that, you wrote my mind. I was about to say that too.
Alright, last one. This one we'll get, I think, T going. It's the Grimstroke.
Oh, I love Grimstroke! Grimstroke was the best series ever right now.
Now it is fully underrated, only Na'Vi respects the hero, and guess what, where are Na'Vi, guys?
Where are Na'Vi?
The semi-finals!
There we go! Grimstroke should be picked more because that level 15 talent, 25% spellamp on your soul bind,
POOM! Broken!
A leash on two heroes, POOM! Broken!
Should be picked more, other teams, learn from Na'Vi, pick that Grimstroke, boom.
Back to you.
Don't care about your opinions, that's enough for me, back to you.
Excuse me, I won't give my opinion on that, in fact, I'll just keep this moving along,
and looking at our first matchup,
last chance qualifiers here for one of these two teams.
Oh, our schedule, sorry.
I was kidding, I was like, if so, throw it off.
One step at a time.
One step at a time.
Our day ends with game of legion,
maus, whatever, snooze, mess, we'll get to that.
God damn it, maus.
You know, we go.
What are we doing?
You know, we'll get to it eventually
because we've got to focus on what is the hype
of Reconyx up against Tarak.
My home one final play in them. Yeah, but you're up about 10. They're gonna go cool on to you man
Back close to the base. I find
Oh, that's a big arena boss. They went on to the 3 at the market. There's Whisper. Plush them up.
Hey, Jane, he's gonna break this whole gear door.
They go straight for the distro. Then they got it.
A ravage you nearly got the juices. They on this season gonna last long enough.
They need to try and refresh. It's not gonna work.
They finally did it. It's actually kind of sick. It's all jumps in on the high ground.
There's gonna be the roar, but Chick Roy, does he have the damage to do it alone?
Get the static story for us about the DKB. Nice burning barrage, but they'll continue the chase taking down Pantheon.
Pantheon continues to glimpse back to the other side trying to get a health data, not of damage coming in.
He's got the raw onto Kez, Kez in trouble.
He's going to go right into the front of Raperi and wrap the stands.
He may as well slice down Kristallis.
He's going to get surrounded, but FBZ doesn't want him.
He knows that he's going to be dealt with.
And don't you know that birds love mice for the breakfast?
We're kind of sitting down there in the bottom of the ladder there when we looked at our group
standings.
They did get a win over Maus, but that was the only one they got for themselves.
One in ten is where they ended up.
On the side of Varroa, it looked a little bit better, five and six.
That one loss at the end of last night is what unfortunately ended up in this position
for themselves, having to play this first initial best of three.
But yeah, there is a silver lining at your top of the bottom four.
Yeah, it's something for sure.
That's the Australian take.
It's the top of something.
Things are upside down.
Things are upside down for Australian, so we're going to look, you know, top of the
bottom point.
That's some good stuff right there.
It's the top of something.
Taking place as first loser.
Well, look, I'm just saying, if I put a group of five Aussie Dota players together, I don't
think we would even take one game off of mass.
So, Reconyx already doing much better, the fact that they're an all-Indonesian lineup
for themselves there.
So, got a lot of pride for them.
And tier one, LAN, you know, they're not here in Malta, but they're getting that international
experience for themselves.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing I think with Reconyx, which you have to look at being a
very interesting thing, right?
Because for Indonesian Dota, they have been always competing in the SEA qualifiers throughout
every single year, right?
Because like you see here, there's some barracks, some spawn, some army geniuses, boom, of course,
started as an Indonesian org.
They're kind of shifting to Philippines, of course, but every single year there's a team
that's trying to be the national Indonesian team that makes it to the table on stage again varying success, of course
I think boom and now Reconyx have kind of the big two to list from that
Again national teams it's somewhat rare in Dota outside of of course, maybe a Russian team Chinese team
SA always seems to get one between Philippines or Indonesia, but Indonesia always not maybe spoken as much about for the SA region
But here Reconyx they're trying to lift the flag trying to do again not the best results
but again, very cool to see just a full national team.
It is a bit of a shift because when we saw them in the qualifiers in best of three format,
they looked great.
And then you come to a best of one and you wonder, is it just not their format?
Do they struggle because they're not as consistent with drafts and maybe a best of three is like,
we can alter a few things.
One bad draft, that's not over.
We have that second chance.
Yeah, I feel like they struggled a bit when it comes to like the mid games and like throwing
some stuff, but I want to show their drafts and where I feel like they've actually had
a good chance.
The lower draft is the one where they actually beat Maus and the other draft is where they
took a very very long game against Thundra over an hour and it's really coming from a
lot of aggressive heroes like you can see.
The Jigroy Windranger, his Kez, they play really well on these heroes, especially also
POS4.
I like what the Lowell has been playing on these heroes.
He's got some dark willow, he plays some bad riders, so I want to see them take more
just early aggression to the opposing teams, especially against Heroic, because when they
have a bad early game, their games are not good.
If they have a lead and they can have a little more consistency in the mid-game, they can give us a good game today.
I feel like that is hard though, because Heroic have had such good early games.
Like, I really truly cannot emphasize how much their score is not reflecting the stats they are getting in their games.
Yeah, they're such a weird team, because I think prior when you look at the other Blast slams,
they were a team that was closing games out and clutching, making comebacks even.
But this Blast slam, it's been the complete opposite.
early game and they just chuck it out the window, heaving it into another dimension every single game. It feels like almost it happened last night. It happened against XG in another series.
They happen every night.
They just, yeah, every night we get out of popcorn and watch a rock throw the game. So I don't know what's going on there, but it's it's very different.
But there's kind of obvious in regards to roster changes. They've lost a very vocal player in Divy who's just a mic breather. You see him in ranked games. He's just spamming the mic, you know, with the old at the
whether the little guy would have like the screaming thing yeah that's kind of
him he's always doing stuff so cool mate might just be as you know you know talk
to him but the place he makes indirectly make other people shine and make moves
right so you've lost go for the chaos to not play you've lost the via the guy who
goes do this do that do this do that you know and now it's Deodecorp who's a
assistance-based player he wants to follow someone else you go king you know
he's you know enabling and then you've also got you know try long a very young
mid laner who probably isn't going to be as vocal as the likes of your previous
players on the roster so yeah I think for heroic they just have lost the big
voice in the team or the big player in the team. It is funny that you say that
because I spoke to KJ earlier and I may have asked him a similar question along
the lines of what you're saying there. KJ of course not a nice position that I
want to be talking to you in and the question has to come to mind what's
going on with heroic you guys have had some roster changes but it's still not
playing to the characteristic hero style we're used to?
We're not playing. I guess that's not that bad, right? Because
we haven't achieved a lot last year. I think we had a good
position on TI. So I feel like we're playing or we're changing
a bit our playstyle, we've become more consistent. But I feel
like we're playing very well. But we have come to the last
part of the date, you know, like with the other writings of
the date, we chose the good nice clothes, we made good
jokes. We chose the right restaurant and now it's in the end and we don't know what to do
and then we need to learn how to finish everything up. So we have so many good games,
we're just not exploding the enemy throne. So I feel like we have a better heroic gameplay style
right now. I mean your early game is not finishing it. Yeah, your early game is looking fantastic
for her for sure. What would you say is the key issue as to not being able to close out the game
if you have that answer.
I mean, I feel like it's just lack of patience for us.
We are like, for now, we just want to
loader them even more.
And the way the patch is right now, it's just very...
Like, it's...
If you make mistakes,
it punishes you too much, you know?
Like, you give too much gold
if you're winning and we are always winning.
So we throw the games, I feel like it's just like in a place where it's, you need the more
patience to close games and we just want to win them.
I feel like that's our biggest mistake, but we will work on it and yeah.
Yeah, I definitely have no doubt about that.
So you feel it's more so much where the patch is rather than, you know, the fact that you
guys have had those roster changes and maybe lost a bigger voice in the lineup.
We didn't lose any voice in the land because Yuma, it's Yumi and me who give other calls.
I don't feel like it's a patch as well.
It's not like patch related that is making us lose for sure.
Like it's our lack of patience.
In the past, if you don't have patience against your one team, you also lose, you know?
But I feel like it's a mix of both, but it's mostly our patience.
We're just not having patience.
It has nothing to do with roster changes.
It has nothing to do with it.
It has a little bit to do with patches, but with the patch, but I feel it's mostly just us.
Just before our draft kicks off, we got that insight and got to hear what KJ was saying
And I wouldn't say it was an exact contradiction to what you were saying to you, but I would say he doesn't agree with what you're saying
Again, it's like they have their opinion. I have mine
I feel like they are maybe
Underselling what the previous roster did potentially to make themselves so slightly better and you've got to feel good to be able to compete
but I do feel
He was leaning on wanting a bit too much personally, but such is life
I will say to like chime in on the patience part like I absolutely agree and Dota is very
There's a very fine line and he was talking about it too
You know if you're too patient or impatient and like they told the line way too much like he had some jump on disruptor
That's kind of crazy where he's just like jumping the gun you had whisper who's like double ravaging every fight
You have them who are diving like behind the throne
You can just wait set up a better play give yourself a higher chance to make it happen
So if that's what they're working on I'm happy and that's where I go about to my point
I feel like even if you don't believe in, let's say, the loss of two people changing stuff,
it just takes one call per game from that type of player.
If that call isn't coming in, then you are going to feel a big difference.
So maybe on the higher level, he is 100% correct if it is him and Yuma, but on the smallest moments,
the one line is the little, kind of, don't do this, you'll chill.
If Thelacore or Tyla aren't making those little micro calls, that's when the team's going to feel it.
And again, all of it does compound to a volatile heroic at Blast Slam.
Yeah, I mean I think I look for this heroic roster to get it together relatively quickly though
I feel like teams generally they either click or they don't within the first couple of months
And I think it's not that common that a team who's shaky in the beginning eventually become solid
I feel like like you look at Falcons, right?
They got six at the first line they went to and then they went on a tear for the rest of the year to me
That's how good rosters typically look you're a little shaky and then eventually it clicks
And so for me looking heroic you've got a little time where I'll give you some grace, but after that you got to get it together
Yeah, well it could potentially start here in this best of three because our game one draw
I just would have mentioned it as it's coming up on on screen here heroic taking out Kez
Razer
Viper and Reconyx taking out the Husker Shadow Dean Shadow Dean Shadow Dean
Here is even and Abba
Mean in terms of the first phase bands there aren't I mean there's some that stand out a little bit
I would say like with the centaur's under here you see band all the time in the first phase same with the Abaddon
But heroic did have a couple games where they just first picked Abaddon
They're like one of the teams that they will like first pick a core or even first to pick their course
And they just call it a day and then you just keep moving with your support
They live in triple pick their course. Yeah, they will just straight up pick them back to back to back and they do not give a hoot
I did the the Kez ban is kind of just respect ban. I think the dick Roy Kez
I just want to see where Conex have the early game right? Don't forget that against Na'Vi, they had a 17,000 gold lead against Extreme, they had like a 9,000 gold lead.
They have been able to command certain early games in games that they have lost, so already seeing the Batrider is kind of laying that ability to do it.
Oh, really?
He's back.
Really?
Why?
I would never...
I'm sorry, the way Tylen played yesterday on that beast against Maus, there is no way
you can sit here and be like, yeah, Beast was the undoing and outdraft, this here is
trapped.
Tylen, game of his career.
That's a suss reaction from Quinn for sure.
I said, I said, get this man off panel.
Get this man off panel.
I'm actually shocked that he is willing to play it again, and I wonder if it's coming
from him or someone else in the team because my experience generally with players spent
when you play really well on a hero and you still lose your reaction is I don't really
want to play this hero again right now because I felt like I was owning and you look at the
stats and you're like okay maybe it's actually hero problem because I was owning and with
how hard I was owning we should have won.
I think you can blame the hero a little bit.
I think you watch a replay and you see whispered double ravage of men with ages and you go
yeah bro that wasn't on me.
No that's true but I think there are some other moments as well.
Yeah, that was one out of maybe 60.
I mean, definitely you can fall, I think, into the thing that Quinn just explained.
Another thing that might be good for them is that, I mean, obviously Whisper can also play it,
so maybe there's like a bit more...
You know, it's a flex. It doesn't have to be the Thailand beast, but I will say that it does give me a lot of confidence.
And I think, you know, when you're the young guy, and I assume he's cocky, as you should be,
when you're young and high rank, I'm okay with it.
He needs to prove... He wants redemption is what you're saying.
Yeah, I mean the hero, the guy is 111, like the Beastmaster hero, he went 20 and 0, couldn't make it work.
Kind of drop a 30 bomb, who cares?
Just one up yourself!
It's easy.
I do think it's a little, like, it's not particularly good against Batrider, and it's full blind,
and I think the hero is also mostly a mid hero, because offline Beast is like pretty bad, and let's the enemy counterpicks themselves.
So to me, I think just in terms of draft integrity, not even to mention like title, and specifically his performance last night or anything,
But taking Beast into Bath with, you know, plenty of counterpicks coming, I'm a little dubious.
Okay, I can subscribe to that.
You don't think Beast is fine against Bath? I feel like you can control areas, he doesn't really gank your lane.
Why are you talking more about like some mid-game interaction, you get to jump?
I feel like Bat is pretty good at ganking Beast in mid. Like, he's some skirmishers, like he comes and he flambracks you and you get some kill or whatever.
Like, I think anything good in fighting on runes that are on mid is good against Beast.
If a hero, if he dies one or two times before Ag's, he's like, a thumpster fire.
Look, Hurwock, they are protecting the Beastmaster, right?
By picking the Dragon Cup, they are keeping the potential Zoo Beastmaster off later live
with the random Kunkaban as well towards Reconyx's.
They are trying their best to keep both Aghanim's Beastmaster and Helm of Overlord's Beastmaster
kind of in play in this game.
And it is the double call that, again, Hurwock have been drafting a lot more than other teams.
Have there been any Helm Beastmasters yet? I haven't seen any of them.
I don't think I've seen one of these on our games, but it's always fucking interesting.
I think it was the AXE one, like one time it was Beast who maybe would have played on Zoo and then he got like blinked.
Yeah, I see. I'm lucky.
Yeah, but it was such a good...
I move over a lot of games, but yeah, the claims did ruin it.
Okay, so Reconyx, go for the Unlawed Lord. I mean, I love this hero. I mean, it's also quite good against these two.
Like also with like Bad Rider, you're good with like stacking, you always give like a 1 plus 1 kill combo.
Heroic are one of the teams that have played gyro support, which I think overall is kind of sus
But you know, perhaps you can find the pick later. Maybe you're like, yep, we want to run back an Ursa into the underlord
Like screw you. We're not giving you this matchup. Could be possible
One thing with the gyrocox pick though, it does give KJ kind of creative freedom on his 5 position
Like if he wants to go for a slightly weaker laning hero, gyrocox is gonna be able to play out most lanes and buy himself with the flak
You just kind of need that 5 to be any type of body
You know, KG has been playing the main jet peritions and kind of more niche heroes.
I found it. Taking the page out of the offlane.
I mean, this is somewhat offlane beastmaster deterrent. I don't think you really want to play offlane beast in a crystal maiden.
As your board will just die.
I agree with Kezu. I think the underlord is great against these heroes. Super, super good.
It's one of the best offlaners against Gyro because you mitigate the AoE damage.
Gyro is all the spread damage and underlord is the king of you do no spread damage between the Auras and also his innate aura.
in 8 Aura. Big fan of this. This hero is Giga and it's great against both these heroes.
So if you're heroic, do you just find the 5 and jam your lane, your gyro, whatever,
gyro clock, gyro zombie or something else for the game that allows you to play through?
Because I could see the Ursa route that you take. Because on the road, when you give this
hero a good lane and a good early game, you're playing into double Auras and then Aghanim's
by like 15 to 25 and it's not easy.
When you just go task or clock in the 5 position, you pick up the funeral kill Willow in the
4, you have really strong ganking support duo that after lane just groups together and
finds kills.
So that's the least where I'm going in the support kind of picks.
I mean I think if Heroic flexes Gyaracop there's support picks Ursa, I think you put
underlord carry and you counter pick this Ursa.
I could see that too.
Like Matt talked about you know, Crystals played underlord carry earlier and I think
it's honestly not that bad especially if they try to Ursa counter pick you, like don't
give this guy a free lane because if Underlord gets counted in lane the hero becomes like
a walking bull bag.
Well with a Wind Ranger coming out it's most notably been in the carry role so far for
Blastland but with the gyros sitting there where is the Wind Ranger support kind of coming
from and how is it fitting into this?
I don't know yet I mean it could just be the Pulse 4 Hero for Theolikor I mean it fits
Like he's kind of MO, you know, you're the you're a solid laner your range your follow-up damage
You go with some other dude you pop the power shot into whatever stun you have coming out
I mean it could be the carry. I guess but I think for now it's likely just the four
Yeah, this is gonna forcing Reconyx to ask himself these questions
Because like in their mind they already know exactly where the three heroes are going, right?
With the hoodwink pick which is normally your fourth and I would yeah
I would lean towards Wind Ranger and Gyrocopter both being
1-5 flecks within the draft and the beast most is getting position 2 and 3 flecks as well.
There is a...
Here we're going to the very last pick to decide where they're going.
I don't like Jarocov, their wind and your hoodwing together.
To me it feels like this similar style of...
It's like the triple range dudes who are in somewhat mid-range damage department.
I think they get pretty countered by Pyke.
They get very countered by heroes sort of being, I don't know, just generally strong
and attacking you.
got appeared in the early game where you fight together well and your skirmishing is powerful,
but once you reach that mid-game phase, I feel these heroes are overlapping, and I just see them,
something about the Zero Combo, these hero combos is very rare, and it feels wrong to me.
Yeah, I mean, what if I just liked something, like if either one of those
are your carries, I would just want to have a different support later that you can pair up
with it also in the lane, like you have some Gyro, Hoodwing, or Windranger, Gyro, like whatever
combination you have in the lane, they're fine, but they're a bit clunky together, like I think
also beast he's not necessarily the hero that wants to like go in first like you know he wants to
like see what's happening then like blink roar a guy or like play some area so they are still lacking
that but the good thing for a rog is that they have ultimate last leg of the graph. That hero needs
to be a guy that just goes in first to open up the rest of the heroes that you were mentioning.
But Reconyx goes for Shadaphine. I'm sorry Borddo for Reconyx that the heroes just exist in their
their lanes, right? Undervisible to sit and farm. Shadowfiend just sits. Baron and Crystal
Maiden can easily make ganks, but there is a kind of this need for time for Reconyx.
And we were praising them on how well they were in their early game, breaking the lanes,
trying to be aggressive. Sure, they would eventually, you know, fall short and, you
know, lose 10 games in the group stage, but I mean, genuinely, my biggest worry for Reconyx
is I think Crystal Maiden is a very hard hero. Like, I think there are just a couple of players
who can make this hero work on a consistent basis. The one who stands out is snaking.
I think he's by far the best Crystal Maiden and when you're not really good at this hero you chain feed and become useless
So I'm like I think I actually like reconnaissance draft better so far
But I think Crystal Maiden is a very volatile hero when not in the right hands
Yeah, I think especially to those post-fours like you're not that good at fighting off to the side like both windranger and hoodring
If you have like one or two clicks too many and they catch you out maybe with even like a bore on the side
I
I do think that is a volatile lane, but it is a skill matchup like CMSF is a strong lane together
I think if you have good lanes this supports they can go together like see him bad you have a underlord if he has a
Good lane he gets an early gate
So if Recony's can find this stable mid hero, which I have yet to see coming out from this position because both teams still need their mid
The 23 mid has always gotten slapped in the last couple days
Well, I think it doesn't seem to think that it is a mid that the hero would be looking
for because they ban out the maus and the brew which is hitting that archetype that T wanted
in the last pick for her road.
Someone who's willing to be the one that blinks in and sticks more at the front rather than
relying on the beast to do that.
Yeah, I think that definitely.
Beastmaster is okay blinking and catching in sort of a skirmishing style, but in terms
of teamfights, it's very weird.
Like the hero needs 15,000 gold to do it right because you need X, BKB blink and then all
the other in-between items and until you have those items you can't actually start teamfights.
Especially in this game, he doesn't have that much teamfight follow-up, right? It's a lot of
skirmish, you've got call-down, but really in terms of you're playing against a pipe, right?
Heroic, they have no pipe buyer yet. That pipe versus no pipe discrepancy can be a really big
deal in fights as you go down the stretch, so definitely, definitely very exciting.
Yeah, I also like just to round out the draft and I think for Reconyx it would be cool if you
if you can find it here, that B's mid doesn't enjoy,
just because of the idea of what you would kind of think
heroic would want in the last pick.
I mean, Void's third is pretty solid, I would say,
for their draft and against what heroic have,
but how's the mid matchup?
I feel like B should be pretty happy in this one, no?
I think, okay, so if you max, dissimilate,
I think you can draw the lane,
but you cannot do anything better than draw,
and you can get stomped really hard.
Yeah, because that's the problem.
I think like in your dream, he's like,
this is a very bold pick.
If he does not lock in, he can get slapped, because we've seen what Tylong can do on this Beastmaster.
I just want to see the Batrider and Krustamendon actually play with the Void Spirit.
Like, you're picking Void Spirit to go see things happen on the map, to then invite the Underlord to ult in.
So it's like, it's not in your dream to actually go, hey, supports, play with me,
can play on every active rune, play on every timing, because if you don't, and you allow Heroic to do their job, then,
you know, there's at least one window into the game for Heroic.
But double support on Void Spirit, all focus on them for the early game, of course, and Heroic, they go for a last kick.
I actually like it, it's off lane, dude like CMSF off lane or in the safe lane, Pudge can
absolutely feast on these heroes, I will say it's absolutely, it is a skill matchup in
this lane, but if I were to play off lane Pudge, I would look for sluggish heroes, I
think you have found that, CM is already super volatile.
If CM is already trying to feel like a bit of a walking money bag, that's gonna be potentially
quite rough.
They have built a lineup that let's say is very even in the mid game
It is Shadowfiend having to do some more everything and there's of course a hook at this member
Then there's a roar as well like it's quite easy for her to understand like who do we need to jump who do we need to
100 to 0 they're still taking a lot of time to actually decide where the gyro win ranger and hoodwink
They're not picked. Where'd he go guys?
I'm surprised the hoodwink isn't being picked like surely. Yeah, okay, so yeah, okay
Tari win ranger position 5 gyro cocktail position 4 hoodwink
I mean, I'm gonna say I think reconnaissance draft is is a lot better
I think the caveat is they can kid decked in lanes. Yeah, but like I think they didn't get decked
Oh, I don't think they're necessary. Yeah gracious
I don't I don't think necessarily should but it is possible
And so I think if they can escape the lanes if they if they pass the skill check in laning phase, then I think I think it's easy for Indonesia
Damn easy for the indos. I do like
what the Reconyx have, but it comes with like requirements.
Because if you get early level 6 on like FBZ, you can make Moves mid
and you get to your Auras and Jigroy just gets to have like a nice game on SF.
I do think he's kind of chilling, but I have seen Whisper play these games on his Pudge
and I think this hero can like defy logic at least a little bit in terms of how you view games.
And I think this top lane might just get out of hand.
I can see a world where Pudge and Beastmaster just become like these two unkillable units
that just keep walking through the fight
And then all this cheap setup that Reconyx have it, it doesn't really have a kind of transpire to be a big kill.
They need...
They need...
What they need is Mr...
What is his name? How am I blanking?
Who are you talking about?
No, they need Mr. Jigroy Pamanca.
Okay, you're trying to get his pre-sign!
They need zero deaths on this top lane.
I need them to play crisp and clean, and if they can, then Reconyx, easy going.
Okay, I was wondering why you would play Q-11.
That makes a little bit more sense.
Thank you guys for the inside.
But what really matters is the fact
that heroic and reclinic have gone up against each other
before in a best of one.
It went the way of heroic.
So they're going to be holding strong onto that one,
often what happened last night to them.
But it's a different sort of bull game in a best of three game
one.
heroic when these lanes, you know, well enough to ensure that their draft can work or like the panel said,
do you kind of prefer the overall, just sort of strategy that we're seeing from Reconyx's lineup?
Yeah, I would agree completely actually. They have, I mean, Shadowfiend and Underlord have looked ridiculous.
I think they're boasting like 80% win rates or 70-something percent win rates in this tournament for good reasons.
The carry SF, the mid SF has its merits and the Underlord, just these auras are insane.
So I do think heroic they've got to kind of get quite a bit of kills get the ball rolling in order to get that
Line up to work for them because if these or is do get online. I mean looking at her always line up, right? It's
Mostly magical damage for it really is all time. So yeah
Get them the first blood fbz is gonna get blocked off as well in by the old core as whispering jungles will take him down
Whisper to get that first blood
I mean great start she's stuck
If you're playing, I mean, this is what you want to do with this draft.
Honestly, I look at Herox Draft, it's all about kill, kill, kill, get an advantage and just kind of dumpster.
And I think it was Kezuichi saying, it could be a point with Herox Draft where the beast and the punch could just, if they get too many kills, become too tanky for them to deal with, right?
But there is always going to be that underlord percent damage, so we'll see what we do get out of Reconyx's.
This is a very important game for them. They've gotten a pretty solid overall draft.
just are they gonna get to the point for the timings or is Heroic gonna do what they've been
doing in a lot of games where they kind of steamroll through the early game. Sure they throw it later
on but they do steamroll through the early game most times in Heroic. Yeah we'll sort of see if
this sort of managed to improve on the kind of letting those wins slip away from them
because it all matters you know here in the best of three. Very important to keep their tournament
lives alive. And pretty interesting to see the um just little pivot that they've been with the Gyro
plus the wind ranger, right, as soon as they saw the Underlord, they're seeing that they have a lot of like,
magical spread damage. I think that's when they're like, okay, maybe we want something that's just gonna be straight-up physical damage.
It's not gonna play into the Underlord as hard in the lane, and perhaps off on it, so... interesting pivot.
They're gonna get the setup here, and they get the bush whack into the hook, so Whisper claims another.
I mean, this is sort of what you were saying earlier, right? Well, actually, watch the same time down on the bottom lane.
King Jungle should be fine with the stick charge till he doesn't verify as well as necessary.
In fact, he's thinking about turning on some walls to lullus. In fact, they'll get the kill.
My jungle's able to turn with humour and take Dallow down.
So, it's hard to see some of these kills coming on the lane, and yet this top lane in particular, right, this is the one where things can get out of control, right?
This SF is CM. They've got to be careful against these two.
They're crawling heroes, right? SF may be a little bit faster, but they are some of the slower heroes in terms of laning phase.
And yeah, this Pudge, this win can absolutely set up for constant kills.
They're a little limited on resources and mana for now, but we'll see if I've come into play and yeah
I mean Quinn was talking about the CM in particular
Not a lot of players can make this hero work
It can just become a feeding machine and in this game right he has the glacial guard which isn't really gonna block too much
There's not really any other options to the arcing overflow is hard to use
But he's had tons of magic damage. We'll see what it actually does to protect him
Now look at the mid matchup so far on the CS
We've got 12 and 4 and in your dream Thailand 11 12 and 6 are very close on these first few waves between the two of them
Does this sort of continue or just one start to bully the other out this matchup?
I usually feel that the Beastmaster just has great control of this one unless the voicemail plays out of his mind
It's almost a guarantee that the Beastmaster is a winning point
I've seen sort of the damage trade now. They're very much starting to favor Ty Lung.
You just get right down here by the boar and the beast.
Yeah, you always get to like, you're like, oh, I'm gonna get that boar, but it sits at
like 25% because your nukes just don't do just enough damage. Maybe if you put the secondary
point, but I don't see anybody really do that in this in like, you need to have remnant.
So yeah, those fours always end up surviving and the axes really do start to build up
Now he didn't hate when he hits level 4.
On the top side of map, despite losing the CM's life earlier,
all in all, you know, the farm for Jykroy on the safe lane, SF still going very well,
he's having perfectly fine time, you know, that's yet been able to trip him up.
And you know, if anything goes surely to get that one kill, but it hasn't happened again.
You know, there hasn't been any more kind of mispositioning from either the CM,
Varus or jikroy on the SF so no further kills coming in at the moment for a
Rurocon either of the lanes it slowed down. It's something interesting like for
bottom right they decided this lane having the win ranger in the jarrow but
that this build does mean that the underlord he's gonna get a lot out of
this lane so he is gonna likely get to these items so let's see if it's just
because they wanted to have that focus fire to just kill him through the early
pipe potential because yeah the lane you can see FBZ he's able to just stand his
ground completely free there's not much damage between these two unless they're
I'm gonna try for Chikroy.
They're gonna either get the setup to push right into the hook.
Let's see if they can run him down.
He should be fine. Same time on the inside of the map.
King Jungles is gonna end up falling.
Whisper's gonna try and chase on Ford, Chikroy.
He's gonna look for the denies of the Neutrals and he'll get it.
Good play. Mid lane, though.
Yeah, they come in and Tyler just gets the kill.
Even with sort of Dallel trying to come in to help out.
Wait, hello?
I mean, can you get Tylong in return?
He might get turned on!
Yeah, I took as a man up!
Doesn't matter if a flamebreaker or anything else to throw out, Thailand.
So Thailand just ends up getting a double kill on his own in the mid!
I've seen this too much when you play versus the Beastmaster.
You're like, oh, he's so low with the hawks, the boars.
It's like there's three heroes there.
So Thailand continues to impress on his Beastmaster.
We saw yesterday with 20 and zero, something that they lost.
An absolute beast, Varish.
Getting chased already here.
Looks like the lanes are starting to break.
Heroic wanted to press it even more up top.
King Jungles.
That Wind Ranger 1v1.
Do you imagine what should be fine for Ymir right?
Ymir should be chilling in the 1v1,
and I guess as you say earlier,
even with the extra heroes, it wasn't like they were slowing down
FGZ's farm on the Underlord, so
Underlord's gonna farm, he's gonna farm.
This middle thing though, it's an absolute disaster now.
You were mentioning like not too long,
two minutes ago it was about even CS-ish.
In your dream has gotten one CS since that point.
And he died, and they lost their last price.
And up top. Kingjom is getting very aggressive here. There's gonna be the three of Rekonix, so
He will be punished. Good open whisper though catches for Ish. So heroic find a trade
Jekroy wants these last hits though. He wants to be getting these kills as the SF. If you're dying
It's losing some souls. You want to start getting that little bit of benefit from the extra ones. So Cm's those get the last hit unfortunately for them
Mids in trouble again
Catapult is still alive, looking to play around the power rune, Tylon has roar.
So we can get out of this.
Brawl setup, the other call is gonna use the FBA,
Claw and Short into the first rack for the lockdown, it's not quite enough initially.
There's been a chance to dissimilate for the fall damage, continues to come in.
There's no escape for Inya Dream as they're able to kill him off.
Still long before he's able to find that XP for the level 6.
Bottom, FBZ, there's a flank, KJ, only level 3, but with isolating him away from a creep
layer, maybe it's enough.
Put down onto King Jungles, push supports here to help out for Connix, so take King
Jungles down.
Backup comes in from both Dallow and Vyris just to make sure they work on, getting away
with these moves, and might just be able to punish Humor as well with Dallow, or on the
chase, he's got the wind run, and Snipe's coming up with the right click, shackles back
up, you know he's going to tick out though.
Yellow gets the kill, Whisper though at the same time, in under the tower with the dismember, will kill off Jicro, so the action is across the map, they're recording, they're making moves, but they are getting punished for sort of the openings they leave when they go for this on one side of the map.
Exactly, and that's kind of the problem, right, it's your shadow feed.
It's nice that you saved, oh, Varrish, it's nice that you saved the Underlord, but this safe lane is getting dumpstered and it's the Pudge, and Whisper has taken over games like this.
see if he's coming in. They really want to kill this botch. There's a one charge, one
charge is a healing low. He's turning, he's thinking about turning, he's got this member.
He's going to be able to start healing off. Oh god. Jikroy is going to get the razes out.
Oh, he got greedy. He gets the trade but he wasn't able to kill him first. Zyptalol
could clean up the other core as well. Lee got, the other core is able to TP out. He kills
the SF again, show up this time he ends up dying.
Hey, Ness, I've got the XB. That was greedy. He could have hooked the SF and at least prevented him from getting XB.
He ended up hooking the bat.
So, okay.
That's a small thing, at least, for the side of the Connix, but I mean, heroic.
They're kind of taking over this game pretty early on.
The mid lane and the off lane, as we said, the kills are racking up.
That net worth disparity is pretty tremendous. 1,300 over.
Look at it again, right? The unit is fucking high.
The greed is good.
I mean, it's it's always tempting, right?
Yes, the pledge.
You know, you're a hungry boy.
You want to get both of them.
You don't want to just guarantee the one.
It's the biggest risk.
It's the cost of your life.
Yeah, I'll play yourself almost.
You're like, oh, we get two kills instead, right?
And then you're like, hmm, that was that was kind of silly.
Oh, well, ends up giving a bit to the asset, but it's not a lot.
So either way, I think I wrote very happy with this early game
that they've been able to dictate, although you might die the once
and he's maybe slightly slowed down on the Windranger.
The other two cores are doing fantastic.
Yeah, Wisp was super farmed.
Well on the way towards the agonimus after the phase boot,
so it's gonna have that pretty crazy amount
of damage pumping out from it.
And now T was talking about perhaps the lack of movement
that could happen from the side of Reconyx
if this happens, right, if these kills go down.
Who's gonna make the moves now?
In your dream is struggling, SF is a hero
that doesn't really like to rotate too much
and your supports kinda need one of those big cores
make the moves with them. So they're gonna have to move the void spirit but in your dream is
struggling so if he doesn't get success with these rotations, it could be pretty grim.
Should be able to punish king jungles, pushing out the way pretty far on the top lane.
As for conics, we'll turn up to take him down. Nice to keep it a jick right, exactly what you
gotta do. Get him every single one of these kills to catch back up.
for the rune. He's able to jump in with the pick up but he's going to get a hook. End of
the dismember, it's going to be everything. They'll throw down all of the ults there to
blow him up. So another stack here for Wispy. I already have to six fleshy, having a very,
very solid start in the pudge. Without a doubt, this pudge last pick is definitely causing
a lot of issues for Reconyx. Wispy's got no sign of slowing down any time soon.
Whisper is such an interesting player, and he has been for such a long time, right?
Because he's one of these players that'll be like,
Oh, it's a good Podge game. Oh, it's a good Phoenix off-lane game.
Oh, it's a good Bat off-lane game.
Now Bat's more popular, but he's always willing to play these incredibly aggressive heroes
compared to some other players.
And yeah, to be in the results of it, 3K lead right now in terms of the laning phase.
And yeah, pressure everywhere, because it's just, it's limited movements overall that I feel like
what Connix can do at the moment.
Until they have Pipe and the Underlord wants to start getting more involved,
They give you heroes that just survive because this Pudge if he gets gone on
Maybe moves his point that bluster into his inventory is over 2k HP
They're just not he's what's whatsoever. I'm gonna try and go something smoke here. They do have less on little
This is the fragile hero on Verish
So they can get on top of Yuma. Yeah, he's already aware. I don't know how to smoke dispelled. They saw Verish
You more play it safe
I mean slow down a little, like I was mentioning, but still pretty solid.
Gonna have that Maelstrom at a very good time, and then if the Underlord at that BZ does
show, you can just get solo killed pretty easily.
Tylon.
They're gonna, I believe they're gonna have double agonims at the exact same time it looks
like, which is pretty crazy if Whisper's gonna have to match a Beastmaster's axe timing,
but a double axe timing that early, that is pretty immense damage, and I don't know if
the pipe will be ready in time.
It's going to be difficult because, you know,
it's your own vineyard dream, and in terms of the skill build,
did indeed end up going for this max to similar, right?
So, to sort of make this work, you've got to be looking for action.
You've got to be going for these fights.
Yeah, I mean, we'll let Quinn talk about it at the end of it,
because I don't believe that he really likes this build.
Usually he likes when they go for like the shard,
and they have to play with their remnants and just farm the jungle with it
and all that too, just for more safety,
but yeah, we'll hear from him more, because I'm a new player.
He's not getting many kills and when you have the vessel, you know, you ideally want to be getting these getting this momentum
And your momentum definitely not on your side at all here
He is bottom of the course by a large margin. The hood looks actually very close to him
He's having a tough one having a tough one zero three zero so far in your dream this game. It's not been an easy start
And we're still under a lot of people so
Yes, I guess they obviously concern was there right when
from the start just being in that match up as the boys break against the beast
but we're definitely seeing how much more the peace class can get done right now
with the pressure now ready to join side lanes to take down these tier ones
gonna be the bottom tower gone and your whispers just continues going
contested was just a bit of clear of a very nice big ancient stack you know one
more neutral camp and he's gonna have that so it's gonna be like 13 minute
agonist timing done on the punch. I mean they're gonna have triple timing on
on the corner is pretty much perfectly hitting together
while on the side of Reconyx, they don't have a here,
like the pipe is something they can rally around, right?
But the other two heroes are not doing that great
to be able to rally around.
Yes, that's okay.
But the Void Spirit, I just,
I'm really concerned how in your dream recovers this game.
Cause there's just a lot of disable form.
There's a lot of damage just going out all over the place.
It's not easy to just dip and dodge.
And so for her right, when they're having this sort of
start, you know, we've seen before, you know,
how they can build this pretty good lead
and then let things slip away.
Do you think we're gonna see sort of a different approach
from them in this sort of game?
Will there be a bit more reserved
in trying to push it to the next stage
and be happy to farm?
Yeah, I think that exactly okay,
just a bit more patience in terms of things.
Yes, getting kills, being aggressive is fantastic,
but this is a nice lineup that can take objectives.
And if there's no contestant for objectives,
you just keep taking objectives
and eventually that's gonna probably net you the win.
So if they have something like Beastmaster,
which is probably one of the better objective takers
currently, especially with this type of game. They could just play a cool Tormentor, Roche,
Constrict, Control, and put that pressure onto Reconyx to make the moves.
And in your dreams, there's going to be the game.
He's going to try and look towards King Jungles, but again, does not want to fully commit.
Unless there's far too risky to try for such a play. Space is there for them to start.
There's the hook, whisper!
Gonna catch Furious, let's see if he's gonna do Shackle!
It's a beautiful one there, comes in from you.
Catches the boat from them, Dalla-Lelina Dream.
In your dream, it has to jump away to dissimilate.
I mean, they just cannot fight them right now.
Reconyx.
I think they just gotta accept that this rush is going to heroic,
whether they like it or not.
As anybody else steps over here, they're very likely gonna be foods as well.
Still roaring, because he was gonna move.
Can they kill it? Reconyx?
He did! He was able to jump in and pick up the Aegis!
He's going to get caught by the Shackle! My goodness, he caught it!
Let's see if he survives this now in your dream.
He's going to go down the one, so the Aegis is quickly taken away from him,
but it's allowed them to set up to kill Whisper at the end of the form.
They're huge kills.
They're even going to try and use the Port of the Grecipe
to see if they can shut down the escape of anyone else.
They won't be able to, the rest of the Rook actually get out of there.
But I'll take it, of course, as in the deed in your dream he did.
He jumps and gets the Aegis as their little bit of a Roche move does not play to the favor of Heroic.
I think I just woke up my household with that scream.
They just said, I mean, they're desperate right now, like, you gotta kill it.
Kill it, and they do get the kill, but in your dream he was quick.
I mean, they're cuffing.
Not actually, it wasn't time to pick it up.
With the sort of position of Roche when he fell,
they weren't actually close enough because he's walking away from them.
Ready to deliver the Aegis straight into the hands of Inuit Dream.
How does this happen?
I mean, they're in such a, they're in such a,
they're still pretty solid at comfortable spots, right?
They are.
That slows down momentum massively and gives our,
Honestly, Reconyx, good time to farm and recover,
get these next few items, the low-mow has a blink,
so they have a way to start fights.
I mean, yeah, they can look to make plays now.
Otherwise, it would have been the so period where they're trying to make moves into an agent.
Into agents.
That agent, I say, there, it's not there for them.
Oh my, I, okay, well, that's, that's just happened.
happen and jick right now he's also look at the network he's the same as the
patch so unbelievable little sequence of events not even from a team fight just
from a roche running away back to business heroic looking for kills
still
the mechanics are prepared for this move they have the pipe behind a feces there
they have the bat with the blink
I think he's playing a little clip towards the eye of your dream too, it's actually shown
in the way of your board.
Hello?
And you went for the blink initiation, it didn't go the way you planned fogged.
Blinks in and dies.
Alright heroic.
Like I said, still in a comfortable spot, but yeah, maybe a little bit of a shake up,
so we'll see how they look to recover things.
Maybe now they just wait for that next objective, right?
They still probably feel good on their timings.
we'll just sit back and wait for that. But I wouldn't say that Reconyx can't
fight around that. If they can get a good angle with this pipe now online on the
Underlord, yes, I'm now having Yashakaya. There'll be options for them to fight in that area.
We'll find the Ellicorps, and we should be able to take him down. Not too much difficulty.
That's it, done.
And we'll just see if he does purchase Shard though, on the Void Spirit, because a lot of them do
purchase it to be able to get that extra farm where you just throw your remnant up the creeps so
he's just looking to hunt for now, he's looking for kills.
Hey Yuma.
Trying to sneak on him, I can't.
But I haste her in as well here if I'm gonna play a bit Reconyx.
I mean they do want to try and make moves they will be able to get into the Triangularia at
at least take away these smoke a couple of stacks that we're going here for Heroic.
That's nice, right? You can feel pace of the game, Heroic. I'm sure wanting to maybe sit
back a little more for that next item, but the space, Jikroy, is feeling pretty happy.
He's top never. Dragon Lance is done. Heroic looks like they are going to join up. Maybe
Smoke, look for that positioning around that, before that tormentor in particular, because
they did see Jikroy, so they have vision of him going into the jungle. They are stalking
You do have to leak on Pudge.
Jirkoi?
He's got back up around, but if you get a quick hook onto the SF, it could get tough.
They're gonna go for the jump forward. He wasn't dismembered.
They'll open up a few minutes. Last of his nef into loads of lockdown, Yuma.
You see if they can see Jirkoi, the fight both comes off.
Jirkoi can't get the requiem off, though. They're able to kill him off.
They're gonna fight, and Whisper will try and TP out for the first fight.
He's there, so they will pay the price with three of their lives there, heroic.
the translate that play maybe even more the other court taking down to the vessel jump forward to
assimilate they'll lose four heroes for that heroic that went horribly horribly wrong well the
context is complete the pipe honestly kept the s he had what five percent hp for a couple extra
seconds it took them not the hold on to the killers and now tiling's gonna have to put the
role to just run away oh wow that was honestly that was the two supports really doing all the
the damage the bat and the CM did I actually didn't get to see the fight recap but I want to say they
did like over 3k damage of each of them because they got a full duration CM ult full firefly full
lasso because all the attention is on the SF. Rekonix is back. Yeah very very good lasso from
Delos he just immediately locked down that windranger stop him from getting out the initial
damage. Yeah they were prepared for that even though you know Heroic were coming in from a
pretty good angle there was no hesitation on Rekonix to immediately address the threats that
that were being thrown at them.
And now it has played.
FDZ has pipe, FDZ has crimson.
We've definitely seen that damage mitigation
come into play there, the ones at the gold lead.
Absolutely, and this is sort of a concern right for heroic.
I think as the powers that you were saying,
when you look at the drafts, Reconyx's draft,
it looks kind of nice.
And at this point, no heroic.
They were kind of getting what they needed earlier,
but things started to go downhill
after sort of the Rose Sham incident.
And now it's kind of a hard game for a run.
Yeah, agreed. It's just a very nice line-up overall from the side of Reconyce.
Just if they can get to these points and out, they have.
Even though Boyd switched to a little behind, the win ranger as well.
Reconyce?
Still looking to fight.
And down low.
And down low.
This is going to get the catch on to Tylon.
Simply put the damage taken by the force of the BKB from Tylon.
He's going to go for the BKB TP.
He wants to get out of this one. He'll back off.
Chase will continue from FBZ. He's got his eyes on Theolokor.
Won't have any further catch initially.
Looks like the rest of them should be able to run. We'll see a bit of a wraparound coming in from jacroix
He's gonna have eyes on King Jungles in humor. I see now turn towards him
Shackle, he's gonna have to sort of chill in the tree line
But he's gonna be safe at least in that tree line getting away from the attempts of heroic
They'll be fine. Oh nice. Oh really nice tumble
That was actually a moment of scariness because how much damage the winter injured can do but yeah tumbles and dodges it
Because yeah, but without that tumbling probably gets actually shackled to the tree right and yeah, probably dead
maybe try with the nice moves nice little stuff heroic at least for a
couple of them we're seeing whisper he's like all right guys you know what
things have not gone the way we wanted it to we need to get these BKB's because
now we're actually in some difficult situations versus all this magic damage
of the opposing team and we don't have pipe we do not have that
so who's getting pressured now the conics they've got that group of power
now with these items that allows us to sort of go over these objectives and
heroic that they've got to try and make a move but these moves are getting harder
and harder to make they'll at least have them amplified damage rooms help them
out for the next play this could allow them to have enough the amp damage is
all quite a bit extra damage and the BKB is about to come up see who they find
with it though because it is for Connix getting some beautiful last those back
to back to back here yeah that allows me some good jumps so if they can catch him
Oh, he's gonna get the Blink off!
Look at the Blink glass off immediately, on towards King Jungle's.
Dallas should be fine for now.
King Jungle will drop the ultimate down on towards him, but the fact's so great.
See if the side, the Red Creme goes off.
They've caught Whisper here in the corner.
Chikor is able to turn the Races.
Taste for us for down, Yuma.
With the Focus Fires trying to kill Chikor,
if the Crypto God protects him, won't save him.
They will kill Chikor, but it took them so much time and so much effort
that they might be in even more trouble.
Yuma's caught by the Frostbite.
They'll lose four heroes at the end of the fight.
And again, all they're getting in this SF,
it's just taking them far too long
to kill even one of these heroes right now,
because all of the ways Reconyx can save one another.
And again, that could have gone a lot better
if they were actually able to get their hands on the bat.
But, you know, as soon as Dallol saw that they saw him,
he was just instant with the blink last so,
to just sort of shake up their ability
to just be able to kill the bat and get them with the fight.
Now, this bat's becoming quite a menace.
Honestly, he's the MVP right now for me. His little moves, his little catches have been absolutely phenomenal.
Just the instant last throws, like you mentioned in top, right, when they caught the SF, just grabbing the win ranger before that damage comes out.
Bottom as well. Quick blink before they get the initiation on him.
I don't see it again. Look, they see him, and as soon as that tree is down, bam! In with the blink, ready to start the play.
They go for the raw onslaughts, the void, or void spirit, but at this point, Inya drinks pretty tanky. They can't kill him.
And then at the side, Jicroy getting this requiem off, completely cornering Whisper, nice turn around that it laid down the two razors to kill him.
And by the time Humus trying to start his job of killing Jicroy, it's a little too late, the fight's already fallen apart.
Sure they killed the SF, but it cost them so, so much.
Yeah, and you really see the Crimson Pipe, right? You see the Winranger was literally hitting SF for zero damage because of the Crimson Axis.
4k lead now for Rathanax, they're always in big big trouble.
Their lineup it really does thrive about playing with an advantage and yep reconnaissance draft is SF plus this underlord
They're super strong right now in the meta and this bat is finding grab after grab after grab allowing them to just pretty much win
Every single team fight with just a one for five almost
Her out needs more coordination to that's the other thing we're seeing
Everyone's going for different targets, and they're not in the same page. You most joins the fight
I think four seconds after everybody else if they get the hook the hook plus the focus fire immediately that I said that's way quicker
So Heroic needs to really shape and things up in these next few moments
Spiked time for a corner. It's there feeling pretty good right now
At time like he's he's 5-0 again Owen. Yeah, Matt Paddle was talking about this going 20 and 0
Beastmaster is 1 and 11 if I'm not mistaken in this tournament
Some crazy stuff going on
So they can find up here. The moment is just the other core in the area and they'd rather get something bigger than that Reconyx.
Yuma has his BKB doing it. Still, okay, almost has it. Really needs it as we're seeing in the fight, so they just full focus it.
But it's not going to be an end-all. It'd be all safe because of the Batrider lasso. He times it properly.
I'm a Reconyx with whistle of the auras in search could they group up and just force the Roshan or too risky still?
I think they're like they maybe could but I think their lineup is more designer up rather than last I'll give that thing
Definitely get some interest around the pit taking down the ball
Roic know that this is going on and at the moment we'll see how much Reconyx care about that
Yeah, they won't fall come into the pit smokes coming their way from heroic
We'll have a shield broon here ready for the next fight who they're gonna put that one on just give it a whisper or
Yeah, I think these runes ready to take that these runes can make a big difference
You know this can it's an insane amount of HP on these tanky front-liners
They're going for the big wrap around that is the BKB for you my reveal
Scans been no exactly where her roads coming from
I'm Reconyx set something big up here.
Recony ready in the trees, whispers in with the blink.
Straight away to Loli, he's going to go for the last one of wards in.
They're half the reaction, they're blessed with a shield boom, but indeed that's a lot of health to get through.
But get the roof down on the wards, but the PKP is ready.
Looking out over the wards in your dream, as you whisper, he looks like he wants to go for the easy kills first.
So he's looking to smash bottom towards Barrage, wants to take down the CM at the same time.
tries to focus by Jigroy. We'll kill him, but again, Jigroy, he might die, but so does Yuma.
It's a bit better because they get two for one, but they're still, you know, it's not as clean as
they wanted to be here, right, when they go for that sort of smoke wraparound. Again, they're very
split. I gotta be honest, I'm watching Yuma kind of left on his own on Island. He just ran in 1v4
onto high ground to just focus via the Shadow Team. I can't believe he gets it, to be completely
honest with you it looked like it was close again yeah the rest of the team was split off from him
it's awkward the way a lot of these engagements are started the shield room actually absorbed
a insane amount of damage there but overall positioning from Reconyx is very good
that's a little bit of a favorable shake i'm getting the two for one but as i say still not as much
as heroic need to kind of get this game back and back on track in their favor need more than that
I think that you said I think they'll be slightly happy with that one not like yeah
But like but like good job guys, you know at least we got we got the two of them
We lost you ma but you know what we didn't lose five for one again
And you might I think he does need this next damage item in particular the crit because I'm just seeing the block right the damage block
Is too much for him. He does also get the serrated ship. So we are seeing these neutrals
They will start to make a difference in terms of damage people are going to be doing
No greedy serrated ship just making sure I gotta be careful with these carries yep
I'm so sorry that's too me. I'll put on that soon. That's so bad I was talking to
Sam about it afterwards too and they were all just like oh no
other good thing that I'm seeing from Reconyx by the way is these four staff
plays actually really impressive stuff they've tripled four staff so being able
to, you know, reset the positioning of Jikrai was also pretty nice, getting him out of the
middle of the frag, getting him onto high ground to get that extra hits onto the Windranger.
So I actually think Rekonix overall, like, actually is playing better as a team in terms
of those fights.
Rokz just all split up all over the place in terms of how they're actually straight up
fighting.
And not kill the Boris.
I thought the Gyrocopter was going to go Boris, I gotta be honest with you.
I thought he was going to go Mach pipe.
He's got four stuff and he's going for the Lotus, I guess, for the back.
And other tools.
And things have gotten shaken up.
Hmm.
All right.
That's the thing.
Obviously, Aura is in the moment.
Is it ever too late to buy them?
Obviously, in the past, it used to be like, well, if you're not going from the start to
mid-game, you never want to get them as one of the later pickups.
Or are they that good right now that you do see some games where it doesn't even feel
bad to kind of get one into your build later?
He's kind of poor, I will say, but I think as these support Jarrus, it's like the dream
build like what else do you really want to buy on a gyro you go yeah you know you get your shard as
a support gyro maybe in some games sometimes it's not a worthless and then you just go like a limber
force and yeah so I don't know either way see if that comes into into purting since they are playing
versus these auras Reconyx looking for a grab Lincoln's fresh
so you want to confine dude they're gonna be ready as the Rose Shan moves towards the bottom
They have good positioning and buying this gem is actually really clever at this moment
too.
So Lincoln's on the SF, they have gem on the front line voidsperr and he's got his
aggs finished up so it's a strong timing for them.
On the flip side though, Tylen has a refresher.
So I's on this beast man.
I went for a very, very long wrap round here, right?
Right behind the tier 2.
Does everyone take the perfect right path?
Are they going to break? Good job, guys.
Oh my, this is very unexpected.
Yeah, FPC's not going to be ready for this whatsoever.
There's the jump.
They'll throw the road down onto him.
And there's a halting gun at him.
He's pretty tanky.
11-0, the final killing, can they get more hero?
Whisper looks towards the left, must be getting placed very low on Whisper, will hide in the corner,
they'll kill off Jekyll, Whisper does die for Harai, they've done it this time.
Raw, second one ready to go, onto more senior dream, they get to clean up, the team wipe is theirs.
That smoke, it was a deep one and one they did not expect, one bit on Ryukonix.
That's the kind of moves their road needs to sort of catch them off guard with.
I might have been one of the deep I think that actually was one of my attention
It's one of the deeper smokes that never see the thing do yeah went behind the tier 2 mid to flank and goes up to the three dangerous friends
Places vision gets the pretty much perfect casualty fight. I don't think yeah
Just taking FBZ out before he's able to buff up and help everyone
Jackal comes in on towards jikro and at this point short whispers depth, but he's done his job
They can't they sort of stand you know toad to toe with them in a team fight without their underlaw
You know, as soon as FBZ's gone, the teamfight really does fall apart.
Very impressive. Tylong, I mean, he's pretty good at a statement, almost.
He's like, I'm not losing this game as Beastmaster, you guys.
I've gone literally insane in so many of these games on Beast.
This one's on top of the net worth again, yet to die.
Great bro targets.
Shiva's soon to come up.
This is going to be a big one that he gets.
My favorite item of the patch, I think.
And in your dream now. Struggling against it.
I came in ready as well for Tylen to take for the next fight.
Like, you know overall now after that last fight, sure, the crimson and the pipe they weren't on the shadow theme so he was able to actually deal that damage.
He perhaps can actually change his build a little bit. Doesn't have to go for that crit.
I didn't see with you Q'd something different up, but can opt to go for something slightly different.
It looks like it's the mantra. So, just some extra stats.
That's very nice.
I'm just going to start to watch the tournament and he immediately TP's out, okay I don't
want to be here.
The force is coming big time there to get him away from any sort of disable and allow
him to get out.
But that was a quick sort of talk to your tail and run there, even able to get the
TP off as well on Varish.
So as soon as they see it's not going to be a good place to be, they get out.
How?
I actually thought the shackle hit him.
I swear, I looked at it and it hit him.
But I guess those four steps got him just out of reach.
Oh, let's check the replay.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it was at least, what, two four stars, right?
Was it three?
I think so.
I don't know, either way.
I think it was this hurricane plus the first four courses, yeah, at least.
He covered a lot of distance during that TP.
Of course, with the space there that they make a roach, they don't get the kills, but
will get himself some tormentors with sharp whisper.
Hmm. Okay, so he's going silver.
Interesting. I thought he'd still maybe go for that BKB because
there's still a lot of like random magic damage in all this.
I guess we'll see on the replay again, there's sort of great
escape here with all the forces in the TP.
I'm gonna start tormenting. Oh my goodness, I need to get out.
So there's the first force, the second force, the third one,
Shackle yet didn't quite hit so those forces absolutely necessary to save him so clutch stuff coming in from the supports to fail jikroy out of that
All right, we found their footing a
5k lead is never enough for them though because the 20k lead wasn't as long as you
I know they've got to be careful. Yeah, I just can't be crazy
You gotta imagine obviously after those sort of experiences. They would have had a lot of discussions and
Yeah, they're not gonna let that happen again
again. I hope I think everyone
hopes. Oh, that's a big baby.
Who brought right now?
I love that. That's one one.
Oh, they're at the thirty five
minute mark.
Oh, he's having a flawless game
and then he presses his BKB.
Well, let's see if that comes
back to sort of bite him
because there is a smoke from
Reconyx heading up their way.
Obviously does have a refresher
to two.
Obviously, you can only get up
one BKB rather than two
effectively in the fight.
So that might matter.
At least what he can do is he can roar, refresh BKB, and then just roar, right?
So at least he can kind of come through.
Yeah, but he's not going to click right.
Yeah, make sure you test that first roar off before he has to refresh BKB.
Yeah, or...
...Face this back up next minute.
Yeah.
Well, looks like he'll just back up, finish you, Vos.
Aegis is probably going to get reclaimed during all this, but...
Hey, we said patience is the name of the game, but they want to do something.
Wanted to be a little bit more patient, so I'll blame them.
I mean, he's trying to get a lot of extra stuff on the map, the Shadowblade, and go for extra
stuff.
But that could be risky.
He really has to be careful.
Something about SFs wants to get the Shadowblade, you know, the sort of music starts playing,
they're looking for those crazy, you know, YouTube highlight plays.
You can go horribly wrong, you know, you don't see the YouTube highlights, the play's gone wrong, and there's a lot of them with SFs and Shadowblades.
You are lucky.
Exactly.
Don't you cry.
He's gotta be careful.
Now back off.
Finish up that Silver Edge, as you say, he's very close to it.
It just needs the, just kind of a thousand gold and then we'll have the Demon Edge and Silver Edge is done.
It's interesting, I saw, I don't like to usually, like, you know, talk too much about the items and stuff, but that doesn't mean that, you know, his overall hitting of targets,
hard at least hitting the win ranger right like i thought i was going kb or something but oh
well i tell you what got bkb out of whisper uh so you know what maybe i'll say that's worth
bkb down on the bunch first did his job okay let's see if this build ends up working for jake
right he now queues up the bkb we're like climbing themselves up to the 7kb now swinging around the
map so they're just looking for kills not looking to go for any like over aggressive go for high
high ground kind of breach play they're just looking for kills outside before they push
the envelope too much more. Hello?
Let's see if I can get the jump heroic. Onto the high ground. Do they want to go for the
jump under the tier two though? Could be a bit risky.
25 on
Getting the same amount of time at this game
Crazy farm for him. You're still yet to die on the mid-beast ma step
It's got the dream neutral as well. Maybe not the giant small as much
But I've been I've been liking this your item a little bit more, but just the time was
You could feel you could feel heroic the more at the patience right
Yeah, for sure. You know, they go for these sort of smoke moves, and if it's not looking like there's going to be an easy jump to make, they don't try and force it.
You know, they pull back, they kind of reset, wait until they're ready to go again.
You can absolutely unsample the sort of different approach that they're coming into this game with, especially now we're getting into this sort of territory where it was time to get towards the later portions,
and those later portions sometimes haven't been too fair to heroic so they're going to be super focused today on making sure that no mistakes are made in the later stages of the game.
This is when execution is everything right? It's like an AK lead at 38 is not substantial by any means. It can absolutely shift with one bad fight so.
seeing the lincoln's being purchased up i think i saw humor get that one i see the
lull he is building the agonims i always have to talk about this one because the
secondary bypass of that lasso really ready for the fight
whispers did i pick up a bkb just remember on force dialogue time some of the blincon
was virish they'll look towards the two supports and they'll get them quickly the
course now off the conics having to get out in your dream we'll go for tp away we'll
see the force right tp from chick rye he'll make it out just before they find him
So at the least, they'll cut their losses, get the cause out, but still two supports dead, heroic, continuing to get away with their moves right now.
And they could definitely sort of have the space if they want to try and push here.
Four or two Tissue Tower on the bottom lane. See how much they do want to try and force.
If they do get Jicro as Kariah, still a bit of money short at the BKB, but at the least it's up, it's two and a half minutes to this stage.
So probably would have had the BKB sooner than that. So that might hurt.
So very good career kill.
Hex also enough finished for Theolokor.
So Rolike are getting timing.
As soon as they get item timing, they look for a fight.
So yeah, really seeing the caution that they're playing with.
And great catch on both supports there.
See Whisper also now. He buys boots of travel 2.
So I think they identified, they saw that SS Shadowblade.
I think they know his idea of trying to get out of the map.
So I believe the whisper is now going to be a hunter with perhaps the hoodwink and they can look for duo plays
Reconyx is getting they're getting kind of stuck inside the base with the way that hoax is parolik is constricting them
hoax
Well, we got
Yeah, only jicker I can get out
So yeah, I mean this over at the perpeture purchase
you can see why he wanted it to be able to get out but it has to be super careful
because of this whisper boots of trouble too now.
And the Connick, what do they want to do with this knowledge? I mean obviously not
too much lost their weight for the BKB, there's a niffle hammer
the component to be back in the game in a minute until last ever jikrai they will
try and go if you got this game late yeah they know that someone's alone it's
gonna be Westbuck the lasso setup in the requiem should be a pretty clean kill
nobody else is able to connect and help about so do what they come up to space
though sure they lose the punch but they want to try and take two return so
move into the roach pit taking it out very very quickly so it's a trade they
lose their punch they get an ages okay Gil honestly I think you'll take that on
I think you're pretty happy sure you lose this for being a big 3d, but yeah
This is a very good pick up here of ages cheese pressure better
Good vision too, I wonder if this should get the awarded. No, I bet one stays right they have complete vision in the triangle
Yeah, I shall check
4 minutes into the Aegis now, very difficult for them to fight into Aegis since most of
these fights that they've won early on, it's because the Bat was able to find an Ice Slayer
or break some type of the initiation that they've gone so into Aegis a bit more difficult
He does have the axe so double last nose could still be crucial element
It was BKB as we spawned and he has hit 25
It's how much heroic one of four sit with the Zages already taken out course all the tier two towers
Lincoln's on Lincoln's on link links for heroic that's gonna be the safety call for them
Lincolns is in Lotus's versus the Batrider. Don't let them grab us and pull in.
I think for the Twin Gate. I'm not going to catch anyone down here. Reconyx playing safe up on the high ground.
Maybe, and so looks like her old baby bait trying to bait one of these two cores, right?
because I think Whisper, after he died this last one,
they put him bottom solo for a second,
they kind of all port over,
maybe anticipating that type of movement
that could come out, but not gonna be the case.
They'll shift back to the top.
Tormentor is up in bell with 30 seconds.
Yes, 30 seconds.
I love that we have the timer now.
It's so nice.
Because will they go up here or not?
You just let this guy run.
Wait, what do you mean?
you mean Reconyx, right?
Oh yeah, well there's a Tormentor, right?
Yeah, yeah, Heroic's gonna take Tormentor for sure.
Yeah, yeah, but Reconyx will just let Heroic take it, right?
Yeah, there's no way you...
like, sack the game for a Tormentor, right?
Jircroy is close to the next big item, too.
It's actually, since he didn't go MKB,
this is actually a really important one, because he does have the Shadow Rays at 5% damage.
If he can get the crit,
he can actually just start killing these heroes, because he's great at it.
I'm glad to see that pure build has kind of gotten more popularized, right?
The Kayak Yasha didn't want to talk about it until the later stages, but yeah,
this seems like maybe it is going to be adopted by some more players.
Well, you just have the...
No, it just feels super nice.
...Native damage is secured early, and then late game you had 25, and you had attack damage from raises, so...
Pretty cool.
I just had... just having the car speed bonus, right?
Getting your spells off that a little bit quicker.
Feels really nice in the midst of a fight.
Oh no, anyway, the fight's gonna go on.
Rourke's gonna be coming in on 203.
They can't save him.
203's just taken out.
Now Rourke's trying to look for more.
You have a pink cover, which you're crying.
Look at the BKB in the still fresh.
He'll get out of there, but the low's left behind.
Shackle comes in from Yuma.
It's too dead without buyback.
Disaster.
Honestly, Reconyx.
I think they were like, oh god, I panicked.
Clicked freezing field.
I meant to smoke and then they get jumped as it's happening and everyone just panicked
runs away.
Disaster.
203's gonna be coming in on 203.
They can't save him.
203's just taken out.
Honestly, Reconyx. I think they were like, oh god, I panicked, clicked, freezing field.
I meant to smoke and then they get jumped as it's happening and everyone just panic runs away.
Disaster.
In your dream, just spent his gold too.
It's a whole minute.
I'm rolling, as we say.
Well, that's the thing.
They're still going to be careful.
They've been here before.
Two kills, lasso was used, BKB on SF was used, I think.
you should be safe enough. You never know.
Lift Forest.
Connix. He doesn't want to do anything until he's got a 4-5 man back up, so it'll almost
certainly be one set. I mean, are they actually going to end up losing two? Pushing power's
pretty good by Heroic. That seems to be some of Heroic. A melee rex in the mid, and a range
of melee down the bottom. Pretty much two sets there taken by Heroic. They'll be very
happy with that. They'll back off. They're not looking to force it too much further right
now. They're happy with that progress. Making up for the brutal mistake that they made about
Approaching to further fights. Now just looking a lot cleaner with these decision-making calls very
Yeah, very specific calls not looking to push the envelope too much over any extra kills even though here where's that?
Okay, buildings back up reset way for pull downs and now perhaps look to go again
Connix might want to do something now whilst the edges comes to an end
Think they got a cut YOLO. Yeah, just get on the map try and sort of find some
chaos to fight that Herok aren't completely prepared for.
Yeah, it'll be easy though.
They do have a smoke, but I think what it is, it has to kind of be is like smoke, put down a ward down and hope that they're not smoked.
And if you can get that Batrider getting a double lasso when they're not ready for it, that's the ideal, but...
Herok, as I said, they've really started to fix up their, fix their act in these last 15 minutes or so.
He's getting very big, the Whisperer, Aeon Disc finished up after that last go that he
died alone, now probably can't die by himself at all with Aeon Disc BKB, will just BKB TP
out after the go, and almost has the overwhelming boost too.
It's starting to get pretty tremendous in the lead. Now 20k is pretty substantial.
the BKB off, whispers away, jump back in, has the hook in on towards J'Croyo, have the linker to protect him for now,
but he doesn't have enough round of the linkers to protect him from the roar, puts his life to an end as a roic.
They are definitely doing a 3 dead on Reconyx, very ready for the fight down here. Reconyx, they went for that sort of desperate play here,
trying to set things up with the Underlord ult. It didn't work out, just immediate jump from Tai Lung, finding the bat,
knowing that if they can take Dallol out of the fight,
without the threat of the lasso,
there's not really much more,
but Reconyx can kind of throw at them
to initiate onto Heroic.
And now with them dead without buyback,
Heroic, they might have done it here, Fong.
Hey, Tylong is like,
I am not losing this game again on Beat Smash.
10-0-11, it's level 27.
Flawless, I mean, honestly, pretty much Flawless performance for him.
And yeah, they tried to go fast sneaky play around the world
with the double lasso, but, really, very prepared.
Break up a road.
There we go, they get the mega creeps.
We'll see how careful they do play it.
You know, they're still going to fair bit of time where there's no
FBZ or jikroy.
30 to 40 seconds.
So right, on to tier 4.
Hello, trying to make a jump.
We get caught there by the hex from the other course.
The whole back in the dream tries to jump forward.
The road's still pushing on.
Let's see a 4 gone.
It's the second one.
Dream.
It does tell me that they're being patient even with just having the win rigged.
They're being careful.
They're just letting you hit the towers and now at this point they might just do a forward tree anyway.
You know, the respawn is starting to come in.
There's no need to rush it.
They've got time here, Roic.
Don't throw it away.
This is like honestly the biggest disparity between their play that I've had.
a team that I've seen play between one day and it's actually just one one day
being insanely aggressive still be aggressive in this game but then just
yeah in a specific type of way yeah we see that again absolutely I just a
tie-long and whisper just immediately making the jump in getting on top of the
two supports and that's enough you know you killed the two supports the fight
starts to pull apart you must have a fully focused FBZ because the supports
at bed and take out this underlord and at this point there's nothing left for
sort of jikron in your dream to do.
Yeah, and we did see it.
I didn't even highlight it.
I did see it, but the whisper played little cheeky stuff
that he did there, refreshed his aeon disc
for the secondary one, and then he got past the block of cheese
I believe from KJ, full heal that went back into the fight,
but in total injury, I can't estimate he probably
lost the fight.
It's coming in, heroic.
See how they want to look at full it first.
I'll settle that.
I mean, if they lose this game, I'm a little worried
Cause there's a divine rapier getting queued up for.
I saw it queued up. I did see it get queued up.
What's going on there?
I got this one. I mean actually that's not going to say it. Every game is terrible so I'm just not going to say it anyway.
That's a little bit of a worry. Don't buy the rapier, Yuma. Don't do it.
Proconyx? They can buy the rapier. Heading outside.
There we go. That low.
He's going to get the free one. He's going to jump this time. He's going to get split through my lasso.
They get the catch on a Wazuma, and of course,
and they burst through, and they know that Yuma's gonna get the BKB off of his head.
They kill off the Wind Ranger, they'll turn to Wazuma, and they kill off the Beast.
Now they can look towards Whisper, the eldest by the member of the safety,
he's gonna try for the TBR, he'll get away.
But, uh-oh, a little bit of a shake-up.
They get the big jump there with the Lasso.
You know, this is why Heroic need to be as careful as they are.
And this is why, my goodness, Yuma, I don't know if he really wants to buy that rapier.
He was so close to having the money for it, he might have had a rapier on him in that play.
Fortunately for Heroic and the Heroic fans out there, he didn't, but I think you gotta
take that item out of your quick buy, Fogge.
Just buy an Aghanim's, please.
It's not the greatest Aghanim's game, but I just buy it, I don't care anyway, just so
you don't buy this rapier.
Either way, great jump, this time he got the double last though.
He did actually break the front, he broke the front lincoln's, I think, with his four-step
and then the second one got bypassed, maybe, I don't know, because KJ has one also.
Tylong, he does die though. They finally claim the B-pages.
Who got the money for that? It's pretty quite a bit of money right? Yeah, Jikrog gets the kill.
That's a lot of money for him and indeed his Divine Rapier dreams are online and uh, we'll see what...
Do they know he's here? That's what they do. They're gonna find his choreo. Yeah, they know he's here too.
He's fine. They don't know... Oh, they have vision on him now! They've seen him!
Yep, they knew he was over there and that's the gem, right? Yep.
They should have another one of the leaves, but getting now sequence kills, two kills to another one.
Now they don't have to wait for the gyro, or they can have to buy back perhaps if they want to look to fight as a team together around Roche.
We'll see this jump again, as you said, that little getting in, catching the two of them.
That rage on the second lasso looks almost foggy, I gotta be honest with you.
It did, it like dragged him in. He doesn't have some sort of...
Well, it's actually Rickonix. They're gonna try and force the Roche on here
They should be able to get it before it works out on the map. So nice quick rose for Rickonix to take
I mean, you did have past the kit, but it must have just been right on the edge
Those sort of dragged him in as you know quite the range on that second. I said, I mean it is 650 right?
It is still pretty happy yet that looked like it like did that that little bastard. Yeah, 650 650. Yeah. Yeah, I
This is huge now. They've got a secondary
Who actually ended up taking it the refresher shard? It's not in your dream. Okay?
I actually
Look I would like that on either the SF of the batmore. Yeah, you want the war before he right? Yeah
Either the double double lasso or the double double B could be
Okay
Maybe you'll pass it over in the teeth. Yeah, I will say I would be kind of a bit more okay with that on him
If he was going for like I mean obviously still a lot of burst right
You know getting the both for the charges up on your astral step and your resonant pulse in the middle of the fight
Like that's a lot of spells to throw at them
Hey heroic shake it up again though, right? They are they
Supporters of the games right you know it was you know what what do things come from the minds of heroic now at this point
They got the mega creeps, but they've just lost two kind of rough fights
That 30 K leader whatever is reaching up to now down to a 15 K lead. Well, what's the plan now?
At least for me, I would say just humor don't show yourself like honestly humor just needs to hide
I humor can't get caught by a lasso or from the secondary one
He just should join the fight later at least for me is what I feel if you just BKB and rushes in after the initial go
Then he's gonna get free spells off usually. Yeah
So just I mean go back to how they're being patient before just with positioning be very very patient for those fights
It's just it literally just shifted 15k they're playing through Nages and SF who potentially can get that rapier
The goodness I mean I imagine with the way the last few fights have been going
You know the fact that Reconyx are still showing that they can still take these fights that Jecroy even though he wants this rapier
He probably will still hold for buyback right before he buys it
But it doesn't you bought bikes too. Yeah, yeah, because he could obviously if he does die with the rapier still
That sucks, but he can still do damage without it on that second life
So I don't think yeah, he won't go all in on it until he's got the money for both
It could be one of those places where they just have like the numbers he buybacks gets
the rapier and then goes or something like that.
But yeah.
Well, that's true.
I get that.
Yeah.
Maybe set the road in the second life.
Yeah.
That could always be a nice play.
It could be.
Yeah.
Because then you're bringing it to the fight when everything's already been used.
Obviously, you could be bringing it to a fight where everybody else on your team is
dead.
But if your team has buybacks as well, then it's not, you know, that can be a move to
just go in on the buyback play.
when is a high likelihood the fight might be happening just outside of your fountain because
you've been mega creeps and the pressure is going to be on. Even though it is mega it's like I
figure I'll be careful how you show. I'm just I'm still watching if there are these double
last of plays I did like Chikuriki was killing he can kill them so fast with the damage he does
right now so yes it really is all on Delo if he gets these double last of the game is definitely
still in good possibility. Because what does Delo look like for what's next for his next big item
Is he going for another sort of item of survivability?
Do you go for the refresher now at this point?
You know, what would you like to see from him?
What kind of enabled his plays?
I think BKB or refresher are the two that are in my mind,
but I think it's more just,
I don't know if he's gonna get to the point of that gold.
I think it's just all,
you just need to be really thinking
and just really concerned about the state of the map.
You can't really think about that next item on the Bat Rider.
He'll start to run away
Do get the missile connection on to him your dream hook the world into the wall
They'll try and force him to decide to keep him safe and they keep him alive
They can he's able to get the to simulate office one of the astral set reaction to simulate the position and doesn't have to
Keep going so he's still dead. He's gone. They'll all will fall the base indeed. It's in shambles
They've got to get back by that will come out from in your dream ready to start dealing with the creep pressure
And the teeping over humor will not be able to keep it out the creepers fake quick the kill by jacroy
So, it's progress again for Heroic, you know, it's a situation where two buybacks have had to be used by Reconyx.
Heroic, they've got everybody alive, they just have to use the one buyback themselves from King Jungles.
They might be ready to try and run it down a lane and look to end it.
Or maybe they're not, maybe they still want to play safe. What do you do now if you're a Heroic?
Do you go for the win or you're still not quite content enough to try and end this one?
Oh, and I can't answer that. I think Heroic, you probably don't want to go for the win because you're terrified to go for it again.
for it again. You're still terrified. Yeah. If they if they can force a glit, you know,
they're not gonna they're gonna show. Yeah, they're gonna show after all this. So they're
gonna probably relax a little bit. And again, so this last fight, the last one I've lost the
I don't know if there's both, but I know the secondary last so did get lots of the initiation
was completely broken and the hook right it landed on the shadow theme. This puts you
growing a really uncomfortable position. I kind of do want to try to spend his gold somehow.
And it's a bit of an awkward end to the fight there. In your dream, I think he could have
got an outright he is dissimilar yeah just came back up through the central one
and then only at the astral step to jump away meant meaning that he's just stayed
in range of the focus fire if you just go into one of the further sort of holes
and jumped out he might have us he might have lived he's having a I've really
talked about too much because he's he's having a really hard game he's
honestly not being able to have too much impact because of our tank everybody
is so he's just kind of jumping in the supports are too far away from him and
He doesn't really do too much versus the core, so...
I mean, yeah, he probably should have with him.
Okay, so Jigroy...
Yes, thank god. Okay, he ate the moonshard.
I was watching him attack in this fight, and he was literally...
Like, his attacks be just dreadful.
Sure, he has the Shadow Raze attack damage thing, but yeah.
At least having the moonshard is nice.
Bro, backfitted that 30k.
I think you can go agonins and then satanic, but he still has growth. I never mind an agonim, it just gives you produced physical damage, right? You're not going to just die to some SF even when you're running, so.
So.
But this is, I mean, I don't know.
I don't really know what to take with these games, too, with Heroic,
because if you're struggling like this in every game,
like, there's something wrong.
Even when you're like, if you're in these games,
what will you, like, 20 to 30k lead,
and the sort of closing up gets complicated?
And I guess that's the good thing, right?
I guess if that's a problem you had as a team,
it's a very kind of clear, defined problem, right?
as well as once you stole that, your team's gonna be pretty unstoppable.
And it's very true, I mean they did say it right, they even are like, we're not really too sure.
They think they need some more patience, so yeah, let's say.
Rekonix looking for the grab, Yuma.
What eyes on Yuma, they're gonna be able to get the jump,
we get the last sub track back into the requiem, Yuma, he's dead!
Okay, I need to talk about some of this stuff too.
Like overall being split up like this on the map, I know it's almost 60 minutes,
but when you're a team in the lead, you want to play together.
And of course, just to be able to move up and maybe look at what time he's going to be in the mid-fight, he's fighting!
They get the control on a watcher, Croy, they get the refresher for the second round of lockdown, they'll kill the SFR.
BiBak did come out though, from Yuma.
We'll see King Juggles, he's going to start moving towards the base already down the mid lane.
The jump's going to be there, there was Dullo, they get the catch from the back.
He has got BiBak available, so there's two kills, but it again, a little bit of a caveat of course, that they use the win range of BiBak.
It's just the way they're doing things like I thought they would be kind of you know
Constricting completely your points around 60 minutes. Yes, you want to get your neutral items
But you also don't want to give any opportunities to what you know that they're trying to do right hunt to pick someone off the
Loan, I knew that I know they have the double boots of travel to but that can just take too long to join into the
Yeah, you might now not having buyback
This is a really risky six minutes run if they make a rough move if they for some reason split up and get picked off again in
You must die they will lose this game
Just stop split I honestly just it's just I really don't want to see them like hitting like a new like a small camp in particular
By themselves at least have like two or three heroes behind you
Now they're gonna have a neutral item
So maybe that's they're gonna be the call where they just fully stick together and let's see which ones they get because they can get some pretty
monstrous ones
Divine regalia with cast range and attack range. Okay, Titanic Stygian
This beast massive damage is crazy. Oh
Okay
What we got?
Double barrier.
That's a muddy map.
I mean that was the Glidener recipe, so that will be put to a stop for a little bit longer
for FPC.
Uh, you've been not about to get a pick off, are you?
I mean, they've found Tyrone.
He's going to put the PKB term with the Role.
And he's going to back up coming in from Lombar.
He's just going to try and help out.
Here's Whisper as well.
And look for the log that Rax will get a pretty decent all off, but he does die at the end
of it.
Tyrone is gone.
Whisper will get the hook on to FPC, but FPC is going to go to the PKB TP out.
You'll make it out of there alive, see if it can get more, if they go for him in your dream, he's got the astral step.
Still pretty slippery here on the 4-inch bridge, gonna go for the TPL, they're gonna catch him, they're gonna put a stop to it, he is dead.
And his buyback's still on call down for 2.5 minutes.
Two dead with no buybacks, Beast can buy back, they could, I mean they could force the issue, but I don't think they will again.
I mean this should be enough, right?
two heroes definitely two minutes surely now heroic may feel that there's the
safety the security to go for the end of the game maybe they're not gonna do it
they're gonna wait 50 seconds because Russia's gonna be spawning too but this
could I mean this could be one of those where you go for it
catch on a jikoi but the BKB Lincolns will keep him safe let's just throw him
down on twin as well as a step back to the high ground still hasn't managed to
make his purchase, of course, on that rapier wanting to keep that buyback gold available.
It's going to catch up to Delo, but that Delo's actually having a break away.
Jirkoi's in trouble. King Jogos is on top of him.
Jirkoi will make his way back to base, but Delo might be in trouble.
Wook for Wook, but comes out to Jirkoi.
Jirkoi's gone, saving set for Delo.
The buyback comes out for the both of them.
FBZ trying to push back for Roy, but he will fall.
He's got buyback available as well.
He's almost certainly going to have to use it.
So I had to try and get the catch on to Jirkoi.
There's the roar.
comes in on towards the ESL to Croy, take them down.
Now they look towards Delo as they die back on the bow for them.
They should finally have been able to do it here.
Heroic, they won't be losing this lead today.
They take the game.
63 minutes for them to do it, but by Golly,
have they done it already?
My god, this was, I mean, yeah, this is still floppy, though.
There's, yes, there's some nice plays that Reconyx is doing
to be able to come back, but Heroic did take their patience
this game but still hemorrhaged quite a lot so then I'm looking forward to this next game because
I have no idea what could really happen. Heroic is also really good in these early games but...
Yeah and for sure now I think Reconyx you know they could be proud of all the moves they were
able to make to keep that one going, keep that game alive and keep Heroic on their toes. Heroic
though indeed overall at the end of the day today they're sort of patience it paid off they'll take
game one.
Whilst it was a game one win for her road
and a little bit of patience towards the end of the game,
there was definitely some impatience
that we saw earlier on, which is a little bit interesting
considering they said today in our interview, patience,
that's OK, that's what we've got to learn.
And it felt like they still had to relearn it in this game.
Yeah, this game was anything but patient or clean.
This was a mess from beginning to end, from both teams.
Yeah, I like the way the audience says it.
It's a perfect start.
Yeah, there we go.
They're trying to go for Roshan as it's moving up,
and of course they have Rul, they have ways to hold the Roshan in place,
but then in your dreams you start to snipe it, and it's like,
heroic after the early game, if this was just a clean Rosh call,
get the kill, reset.
This would probably give you a 30 minute win for heroic.
Oh my god, you know it towards game two.
But because of this blunder, you do offer up the entire game
to actually have this, you know, the length for it,
Reconyx to create some moments themselves.
They somehow like they find these plays that you just know if this one play doesn't happen the game will be clean
They always mess up that one crucial play that then giga
Extends this entire game and I will say at the same time for a reconnaissance
They have some good stuff happening and like the mid to early game because they made a pretty nice comeback
But Mike I hate their itemization like there is so much that it's leaving to be desired
I think jikor is item build on SF is kind of cringe
I understand the yasha kaya, but then the fall off with the shadow blade and the pike
There's no MKB. He's never buying great fear and they have one lotus orb against bees punch with refreshers
That really upset me
Yeah, yeah, I mean
There's too much I am gonna start but he didn't buy one
Yola haters, this is a great fun game of Dota. It was not so much out of line
Exactly, like you're watching this game for the love of the fight, the love of what Dota
can be in its messiest form, right?
But yeah, we are looking at two teams, sorry, who are very much trying to fight themselves
because yeah, it is just weird.
Do you think Heroic are the number one team to have Aegis snatched against them?
Because I remember one event, it was a dream league, they had it happen twice in one day.
It's unfortunate.
It's just there's in this really weird spot and unless other than Tylong
The highlight of like both teams I want to say yeah, exactly. I see Tylong
I'm all right. That's pretty cool and then everything else just is just weird right it's just lost
But again, there are some good moves though from her right
I think after that Russian in other games from her that play they make is at the end of the game and they lose
But they've made the mistakes so early on that they actually could solve the problem and then like refine themselves
To then play this very over-disciplined game where, again, other teams might have tried closing out,
but I think it's actually good they made the mistake at the 17-odd minute mark, or 50-minute mark, rather than 50-minute, 60-missing through the game.
Yeah, I mean, I think this thing can happen sometimes where you're hyper-aware of the mistakes you're making,
that you can then continue making them because you're like so...
It's a manifestation almost.
Yeah, you're almost doing it to yourself in some way. They know that they're throwing, and so they kind of throw more because they're focusing so hard on trying to not to throw.
It's very strange, but I feel like that's what's happening.
Yeah, they need to just, I just think you have like this, they're definitely doing better, like in this game obviously it's not pretty, but you know, you can't just immediately fix those and like, you know, from one day to the other.
But I will say they could look like a little more like, you know, just the timer of the game, like you're not finishing roles in like 1450, 1455.
Yo guys, let's chill, let it move up there and then like, again, do it cleanly, but they kind of, I don't know what it is, but they miss those like, you know, the exits to like call it off.
You guys, the clock.
Watch the clock guys, come on.
I feel like it is those small things that is so like naturally inbuilt to you that it's like when you're hyper-focusing on something else
You forget about those things. This means time where it's like you kind of just forget Lotus Pool is happening at that like multiple of three
And then you see someone else taking you're like
Games done. Call it connect. Obviously, it wasn't that clear cut for heroic
They were able to get the win for themselves, but it does bring a lot of questions about Reconyx and as our
mid lane
Connoisseur
Quitty did you lack the voice right you also love voids parents?
I feel like you're gonna be you will always flabra about this here. I think no matter what people buy bugs
I'm not even gonna talk about the voids here cuz I'm gonna get too negative
So I'm gonna talk about Ty long there is I think the guy is the best guy in the lobby
And I think he has been for several of their games recently. He mega gapped in mid doubling his CS
tripling his denies. He gets the gank coming in mid. He was two levels above him and once again,
I think the highest impact player in the lobby. I think this guy, they cannot give him some free
lane like this. To be honest, he just looks like the significantly better mid player than in your
dream. And so I think if you're, uh, what? Reconyx? Yeah, sir, Reconyx. Yeah. And you're drafting?
Yes. Reconyx? There we go. Yeah. Then you would want to do a mid matchup that is favorable to
in your dreams.
Yay!
You guys, there's three days of the morning panel, two halves of one brain.
That's not good.
When we're not together, it's two half-brains.
Anything else you guys want to talk about, because we're moving on from mid?
I think, just for me, like a little bit, when it comes to the game, it hurts, Reconyx
a bit that I think they had a very good draft, if not slightly better, and they still kind
of didn't find a way to show that nicely in the game.
Like it's mainly, it's a skill diff and a gameplay diff.
And that is a tough one to talk about between the series.
And I guess with Tylong, even though he's like crushing lanes, I am expecting, not today
in this tournament, but at some point, he'll probably find his voice a bit more, because
there's some moves that Heroic are making without him, and with him dumpstering the
game, any other mid laner there is probably going, guys, wait for me, they are no guy
winning you the game, he should be like kind of holding them back, so I don't know if he
is at the moment in regards to like, hey, that smoke's kind of illegal, because there
were some moves from Heroic where they just fully ignored the guy winning them the game,
So maybe once Tylo gets some more confidence in the roster,
that's also when Heroic will feel a lot stronger,
because he'll be able to kind of balance
how good he's doing versus the team
and what they're doing.
Yeah, I mean, I think when you join a new team,
there is some element of they're doing their thing.
I'm the new guy, I'm joining this project, right?
So I'm going to let them talk.
I'm just going to play my game
and try to fit into their mechanisms,
because you don't want to, you know,
trample what they've got going, right?
Even if you may feel like, you know, what's best, right?
That takes time to incorporate yourself
and feel comfortable to talk the same degree.
So I totally agree.
that's definitely a dynamic that's happening. And you were saying that that showed through some of
the smokes that they were doing without Tylong, but the one that they did with Tylong, it was
really good because this is what really ultimately brought them back in after that upsetting Roshan
AG's stack. Yeah, like I will say this even happened like maybe at some like DreamLeaks a
while ago where they have really interesting smokes. I will say against some teams that can maybe
like read those, but this one is pretty insane. I've never seen this path. There's like a half
minutes smoke to like come like who will expect you from this angle there's
like nearly no way so you have like this is some of the best things that
heroic do when they're on a month on the money this was like their best play of
the game I mean they started by even not smoking fjord let's let him show on the
mid wave he then pushes out retreats back to the team then smokes up of course
that you mentioned going behind the tier 2 having this deep wrap around after the
fight happens I think in your dream on the voice for even just draws on the
like a massive arrow like what they came this way I was watching that back and
the reason why I think he was so surprised I mean obviously the surprising
after take but before the smoke hits them he's drawing that they're gonna be
across the river directly from them on the other side of the roast pit so he's
actually anticipating they're gonna be that he's communicated it to his team
positioning down there anyway exactly you have your supports more in the
front line so that it leaves your poor underlord to be like damn I was
is actually the one that broke that smoke, huh?
Yeah, it's just very impressive.
That's the thing though with Hurricane.
They can do these random Roshan plays,
the high ground throws, but like the smokes,
these little small things they do,
it is really refreshing to see.
It's what allowed them to be a top team last year,
where they win the odd tournament,
they get these like top six, top eight finishes.
It's because like the smokes and these things,
but like without the fundamentals,
great word and competitive donor,
then we don't really get to see these smokes happen
like every game.
I mean, I think to be honest,
And I think, as I mentioned before, but a big problem really is some of these individual mistakes and just like a little bit of a skill gap between these two teams.
And so I think if your Reconyx is going to game two, you need to draft in a way that simplifies things for yourself.
I think the Underlord was a great choice for them, but I look at the safe lane, CM, SF, it's just two execution genuinely.
You're playing against a team that is better than you at laning, and so you need stuff that simplifies the lanes for you.
Easier stuff to execute because if you can do that, then I think that, you know, we mentioned there are moments where they look very, very solid,
but you're just not going to play a lane that like a tundra or something would
this fine line, it's just, it's not going to happen, right?
You have to recognize that and be really yourself a little.
I mean, it's also like you guys are talking about Ty Long, I mean, for the right reason.
Like we've seen it like so many times, you have this last pick mid who's blind
against the other dude, and it's like, oh, we're just going to flex the beast master
into mid and he's pretty happy.
I would like them to put like a higher priority on like their mid pick, like
pick it on 18 before the bands come out or like pick it to close the face
and then give it the bands you need.
instead of, oh, we need our mid, you're gonna get two or four bans, you know,
whatever, down the line. And then it's just so hard to play, because whatever
they can do to make it easier, they've got to try.
Are you saying this for heroic or reconics?
I mean, it feels like for heroic, this guy can random his hero and slap someone.
Well, that's what I was going to say. I feel like it's the inverse, because I remember,
for so long, people would interview Ali, and it's just like, does it feel broken
having someone like Malredo on your team where you can just open up a drop of
his hero? He gets counted and he still wins. I think this is Tai Long. I genuinely
I think as a coach, he is one of those midlaners that now fits into that category.
You get to open your draft with almost anything, and he genuinely will still somehow come ahead.
But then at least give the guy a better matchup.
Because there's a difference between losing and you fight half a level behind.
And then there's a screenshot Quinn showed us where you're 15-0 to 40-20.
That's getting destroyed.
Yeah, that's a big guy.
Later on as well with the team fights coming out, there were a lot of other issues you
guys had outside of this execution.
I know that itemization might be a little bit of a heated topic right now in the panel,
but we're going to have to talk about it.
It just needs to be said.
Yeah, I mean, they, I mean, I do think one thing that was going well for a Connix is that they have crimson pipe and that heroic is not.
I think that comes down to sort of the ease of execution.
And I think also this underlord and the draft they did for themselves.
I think on paper it is better.
And you can see in this fight, a lot of it looks good for heroic.
And then he presses these two buttons of doom and this fight goes much better for a Connix.
And if he goes, look, this we need to shoot him for an hour and a half.
He's looking at his watch, you know, while he fires, like, yo, is my watch broken?
No, it turns out he's cruising pipe.
So I think you want these items, you want the strong key fight?
A little easier, please.
I mean, it's also not only is it the auras, but the triple force that they had, right?
The pipe, the double force on the supports as well.
Like they were actually using it really nicely.
Like there's a clip on top.
Again, we don't have it, but like when the Shadowfiends TP and they double force them out
during the teleport to keep him alive to stop the shackle, like Reconyx in the team fights,
They felt like they were always communicating, making sure that they were making these small moves.
It was the big picture stuff. Where are they standing? Where are they fighting?
But inside the fights, the skirmishes, they were playing pretty cohesively.
It's just, again, the other stuff that kind of crumbling down for them.
But that's what made, I guess, the eventual execution of Heroic so nice to watch,
is them realizing it during the game.
This Underlord needs to be taken out because of the auras,
But the supports do too because of just how much they're doing, whether it's damage being output or saving their course as well.
I mean, to make Kazoo just annoyed again, it is just Lincoln's stiff.
Lincoln's load of stiff guys.
Heroic have five Lincolns, right?
Every hero has their own Lincolns, and then Reconyx have two Lincolns, and that's about it there.
Underlord had the Lotus, he then tried opting for a late game Glypneer, rather than going for a Lincolns himself.
So it's like, you know, you're missing maybe one more Lotus, you're missing maybe one more Lincolns, just something to turn around and fight.
You gotta say what yours is, because for Quinn it was the lack of Crimson Pipe, for Kezu it was the lack of Lotus Lincoln's.
Uh-huh. I mean they stole the good ones. I was upset with the Crystal Maiden going for the Naked Force Staff, you know?
Throw the cheeky drum, then go for a Force Arthur, but going for this like staff inventory after you fed in lane twice in the Diedin Jungle, that was a little sus from me.
You got a nice balance. You got a mid laner and off laner and a support to give all the criticals possibly good.
Right now though, we're going to go to a break. Will we come back? This best of three continues with a game two draft.
Today we will be doing a blind ranking of best TI players.
Collapse.
I feel like the recent TI's have got to be favored because overall the game's just got harder.
Collapse has got to be in the top half.
Agree.
Top three, top four.
I'm down to put in three.
Okay, let's put in three.
Let's pop it in three collapse in three bulldog. I mean back when they won his play style was it was
I think five six
Six, okay, let's have a seven seven seven. Let's go seven. You're right. It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough
I don't know
It's gonna be tough. I thought it's gonna be top five again. Yeah, but it's better worse than collapse
I think I would put collapse
Higher, so maybe four for Anna?
Yeah, maybe four.
Okay, popping is prime.
This is really hard.
Like, how do you put all these players in relative for one another?
There's so many different areas, but now we're going to put them on, like, eight, and that's
worth it.
But then we've already done three, we've already, what, done five, it's still available, right?
Because we've done three, four, and seven.
Still five?
Or six.
I mean, we've even put them six or eight.
I think eight.
Okay, we'll put them popping down at eight, then.
Sorry, popping.
Skeeter?
I think we can put Skidant up too.
I think that's fair.
I mean, he is very good.
Yeah.
I think there's definitely some aspects of the community
still underrated him.
He won twice, right?
For two different teams as well.
Yeah.
Like, and he's still going strong.
Yeah.
You were number one or you were number two?
I don't know.
I'm just thinking, like, what player would actually trump that?
Yeah.
We're going to do two and then leave there.
Yeah, we will.
Just to leave the...
Yeah, we will.
Leave some room.
It's funny because we might have to put someone up there number one and it depends what else we've got to go
So let's put him in number two the tumbaman. I don't think you can't we can't even the number one right?
We've got all the number one off. I don't know does he have to tank an honor return?
Maybe Matt Matt was he's a cancel easy cut. He'll forgive us
He was pretty if he's watching he probably like upper me night. We're gonna pretend
Yeah, he's a such an understanding guy he won't mind so we're gonna put the timber man in number 10
This is a good logic. Adelaide, he won't mind.
FAKE BEYOND!
I think a five or a six is good for FAKE BEYOND.
You choose.
We'll put him in at a six, just in case there's someone else who's getting the top five.
I think a six for FAKE BEYOND, yeah.
It's a male.
I can note that the fives look kind of good for some male.
Yeah.
Yeah, turns up.
Super young guy.
Smashers for competition.
He's the youngest here winner.
I think he was right, the youngest here winner.
So I think, yeah, some male.
We'll put him in the middle of the park at number five, you know.
50D!
Someone's got to take the 10.
And from PPD, he's a little so into that kind of self-deprecating humor.
He won't mind it.
I know we would have given away the ten, didn't we?
So it would be a nine.
Oh, my, my.
Jarrick.
Yeah, that's fine.
There you go.
Yeah, Jarrick's.
He can be our number one.
And again, I think I've ruled him.
The Timberman might have got screwed a little bit,
but he'll have a laugh about it, I'm sure.
We love you, Timberman.
I'm not sure about to ever see that,
but I might just have to link it to him anyway to get his reactions,
because did you like?
Now that's a super sus list like I don't know what was going on in their minds when they were recording this one
But they were not in the right mindset there
Do you want to do a quick blind ranking right now one to four just you of what they had like on the list?
No, I'm gonna give you four heroes and you're gonna blind rank them heroes heroes
Okay, go
This is just because I don't know why you care
I do it quick let's go okay okay okay a beast must up three okay hood wig two
should I think one well now this isn't funny because I was gonna put this
shitty here at the end I was gonna say OD oh yeah definitely that's like number
127 or however many we have right now why are you so yeah what the hell
Oh man.
Who's who?
You, because I said O.G.
Oh my god.
I think it just got silenced, honestly.
Sorry, the jokes left the room.
That was a hard one to follow.
Yeah, we might just have to refocus up, though,
and talk about something that is a little bit more interesting.
Heroics, Reclinix, Alpesta 3, and a game number two
after Heroic took game one.
The draft bands that have played out right now,
Gyro, Kez, Slotter,
Batrata, Huska, Viper, Reza,
and an embus spirit is that big old open-and-pick for the side of heroic
Hmm. Mr.
Tylong has destroyed on this hero
So I would like them to have a counter pick ready for it, but I also believe that heroic are hipster enough
To flex it away if they have to on yeah, this is a KJ5
I don't play wherever they want. We put scrims against these guys that went off the chain
Yeah, they will random they pick some guy and you kind of pick him and they flex everyone to everywhere
It's not definitely guaranteed mid. I do think this is a soft for thick
Like, you've already got Shadowfiend, Shadowfiend is giga-hero, it claps Ember's cheeks in lane.
Like, it's already... this already favors your products, I think.
But it goes down to the point that it was made on the panel, the idea that, you know,
Tylong is this player that you can do this with, right?
He's gonna find these ways to win the lanes.
Like, when you look at the games played so far, like, even on his Ember spirit from the tournament,
it's always double-digit kills, like, popping off the same with the Beastmaster,
they get only one real major bad game on the Beast in regards to scorelines.
So, Heroic is drafting in a way that they are utilizing Tylong for this.
So Yumo or Whispo, all the supports, some of them have to step up, where he's counted in lane, you'll fix it elsewhere.
While that is true, but I think there's like a big difference between like what Malrin does, where he's like the goat of like dodging garbage lanes,
and Tylang who to me, he is definitely the standout player, but he's destroying lanes where he's either even or slightly favored.
So if he does go into this mid lane, even if he's slightly better than the SF, he should struggle.
Like I don't see him just straight up going 10-0 with his eyes closed, so he should be in for a slightly worse game.
worse game. Or he's about to prove you wrong. Yeah, he might. Might be one week
to all. That'd be like a theoretical rotation that might, you know, fix the
problem. I mean, Ember versus Zeph is a lane that is, it's a playable lane, but
you need to do a lot of things right. And if any of those things go wrong, then it
gets really bad really quickly. We'll see if they put him in or not. I'm curious, I
think it genuinely could go either way. We saw that weird like triple range pick
back to back to back where you don't know where any of them going to hoodwink
gyro win rangers. So I can see them do something similar this game on her
a role where everything is being flexed.
The premonition of opening up with three cores and then flexing one of them to a support
role.
All we'll be seeing here, T, is Largo and Bristleback with one more band to come out
from Reconyx.
Yeah, I mean, Bristle's can be annoying, Reconyx have been playing it a couple of times.
Just, I mean, when you have Shadowfiend, you always just want to hear it to run in and
absorb so much time that Shadowfiend can look good.
Largo, that's just a tasteful one, if anything.
A tasteful band! That's good!
I don't know.
That's a good description.
I see Largo and I'm like, I'm still yet to find my love for, you know, the Largo and
certain team partnership, so at the moment, I just see kind of the band just being there
because it's in the tournament, but...
I think that hero is also a pretty good counter to Ember, because you just play after him.
Sure.
Ah, yeah.
They're changing.
You just lick the chains off, plus the vessel.
I think it's, it's actually a pretty bad matchup, genuinely.
And even if you go shield build, you can lick the shield off, and slight max is not an option
anymore.
whatever Spell you max like he just kind of owns you in fights. Yeah I think I kind of tunnel vision
a bit more of the crook pot she says. The uh the lick those are the enigma. Very early enigma man like
so I understand and Heroic have been a little bit like hipster about this from like even last year
or like one and a half years ago they were like if we take Algyro and we pick Bristol and then we
go enigma like there aren't that many counterpicks so that's like a similar thing they're going with
here. Oh that's why they've been bristle. Yeah like so this bristle band is like only for the enigma
But then, at the same time, I think if the Ember will probably just still go mid against the SF,
you still have a new option for Reconyx and the safe end if you want.
There are other options. People used to like some Alchemist, you can do some Naga Sirens, whichever has a good game for it.
So, I think while it's interesting from Heroic, I don't think it's that crazy hard to answer for Reconyx.
We cannot forget that in the Valahia qualifiers, a week or so ago,
I believe it was played in the mid lane by Tylong, so...
He also played it?
Yeah.
He's only got two competitive games to his name, but they are both since joining Heroic.
Ten days, he played a game of Legion and lost.
Nine days ago, he would beat his old team Amaru with the mid enigma.
So since joining Heroic, he has been kind of...
He's played it twice?
Yeah, he's been told, hey, you've got to play this in the mid lane potentially, so...
The flex that was alive with Devai is still alive with Tylong.
I'm calling a little bit of cap on that.
Yes, I am.
I also think it's that.
Does it exist with the Embo?
You know, like, you think there's too many variables?
I just think, like, I think it's one thing to do this flexing stuff against worse teams and qualifiers,
and it's another to do it on, like, an international stage.
Just to be clear, I would like Enigma to be offline.
I'd like Embo to be mid.
I don't want to see it.
You just say you have to think about it.
I'd be saying with you is with them.
Yeah, I'm just joking.
In case you don't, it's not really what you're coming to me then, brother.
No, no, no, I'm coming at that, Enigma.
Yeah, no, I respect that, but no, I wouldn't.
Offlane Enigma, mid-enb, keep it simple, but you never know, alright? There's always something.
Reconyx though, they are continuing with a very nice, well-rounded looking lineup.
I think that's something that we praised them for in the last off, at least, was you look at their heroes,
and they feel coherent. There's map play, there's skirmish, it's ways to enable each other.
You've got the jikiro, tiny, great map playing heroes.
I want the tiny to be the full position, no matter what.
And then just pretty much, go find heroes, go kill heroes.
I think that's pretty unanimous, I don't know if anyone on the panel wants to disagree with a support Tiny.
That's good stuff. I also like Shakira way more than CM. It's way easier execution, way harder to like die for chain feeding lane. I don't like the Beastmaster.
Oh, you're getting flinked.
So at this point now I feel you're sort of locked into it being Beastmaster mid, which is good against Ember mid. The lane is quite good. Ember is not good enough at killing the boars, especially when you get to those level 3 and 5 you get overwhelmed by the spit.
But SF carry against Enigma is not good. It adds volatility back into the mix, which I don't like what about an enigma mid then against the beast?
That seems like such a suss lane. Do you have any input on this? That is bad for Enigma. Enigma is definitely bad against beast.
against beastly. Good from bad to worse, apparently.
Yeah. I mean, I could also, just because I feel like SF safe lane is not that good,
I feel like SF is kind of mid. Like if I'm heroic, I personally wouldn't mind picking
a clink here. Just because I think sure, if they do flex everything away, it makes their
draft like a little awkward on heroic. So that's something I could see just because,
I mean, the beast is kind of covered by some of the bands. There's no bristle, there's
no gyro that they would likely want to pick, but there's still more heroes in the pool
that are good against you.
Okay. Kezu, he's leasing my guy.
Should we just leave?
Please stay. Please stay.
Thank you for letting me.
He's just been a good hero, and also with like the range to range.
I will say that all the games Cleans has been a part of, they turned into an absolute clown fiesta.
We watched three of them lose yesterday.
Oh, it was like, great Cleans game.
It was all Cleans.
He had decent scorelines but it was like the first 25 minutes was so like rough
then eventually had the one where he was like oh wow that's so aggs and then he dies.
I'll back you up. I don't think it's just the Clink's games that you guys are watching
where he struggled that way because the ones that we watched were very similar as well.
This early game Clink's is just a non-factor for so much.
Yeah and then he just ends up being like split push boy in 50 minutes and he goes
exactly it's like a shitty in nature's profit.
There's like no impact for like forever and then people don't end against it.
Yeah, like, I put, hold on.
The thing is though with Heroic is we already know that the mid lane can be a bit volatile for them.
Enigma, it's, well, Helm will dumb into pipe, play for towers.
If Enigma doesn't have a game somehow, there's maybe a cause for concern with Heroic's line-up
that you're kind of waiting for the next guy to catch up, next guy to find an item.
It's not as simple as the last game where it's like, Pudge and Beast owning the early game, running through together.
Yeah, I mean, this game I feel is not quite as clear as the last game.
I think Heroics Heroes have better synergy than they did last game, like I think the
drafts are a little more even.
I do still feel though that if Reconyx can get out of the early game, then I think I
prefer the heroes.
To me, a lot comes down to this mid lane because I think Beastmaster, the problem with this
matchup against Ember is while you're good against him, if you mess up, and we saw in
your dream messed up last game, then you're playing against a hero that buys Vessel very
early, it's high tempo, and they can definitely gank you, like Clink's can push his lane and
he can run to mid and they can kill you early, like there is threat of being attacked early
on in the game, and if you fall behind on mid-beast, it's much worse than falling behind on Void's
Barret.
There's two offline heroes for Aconix. Wild options.
Conker.
Oh my god.
Knightstalker.
Conker, just to try and stop with the Beastmaster, help with a bit of a kind of stand-up.
under your ground buffing your, you know, your shadow fiends and whatnot.
And the Nightstalker, just because of inter-nigma and ember early game positioning is key.
You then set up your beast, Tiny, or someone else to shine.
We already know that Shadow fiends playing on, like, the Yashakaya,
kind of playmaking style of carried, like Pure's been doing.
FBZ has played it recently, unlike my Nightstalker call the other day, but...
I can see some options.
I could see either of those work.
I mean, it's also that Heroic are also thinking that this is still an off-time pick.
Personally, I can still... I understand a Plague Beast into this lane is not easy, but then at the same time, if you want to put him mid into Ember, you're putting your SF into Enigma.
The one carry pick I could see for Reconyx would be something along the lines of an Alchemist.
Of course, that will depend later, but it would give you good lanes, but in terms of if they want to do something else, I think the heroes team would be pretty chill for them in the off-lane.
Or it just needs Simple Melee 5 to make Clink so happy in lane.
Are there any offline heroes that actually beat Clinkston Land with a tiny 4?
Probably not.
I found thinking just like you pull the wave, you get this guy to like his one early item timing and then you can play through him.
I mean, at least not the ones that are left.
What?
Hold on, five pods I guess?
All five enigma then Podge goes back to the off lane with the hoodwink and then it's just enigma.
Oh, maybe it is five enigma.
Yeah, they flexed the jar in the same pick position where Nygma was last time so it's kind of the same
Draft logic pick a early hero you find answers to it. No, it's five. Yeah, it is five in a memory an offline pledge
Interesting I mean could it be something different like Pudge where Ember still goes mid and then like the Pudge wants to play on like
Slight chains mid to like change the matchup as a support role. I don't know. I mean, I know they're super hip
KJ loves his Enigma 5, so it's probably just that.
I think Pudge gets owned by Beastmaster, to be honest.
Wait, I'm not saying that he's going mid, but that he's like the support playing,
like helping Ember sway the matchup or something.
Ah, okay.
Is this...
It's just Droy Winner and Jerry Winner and Jerry Winner.
Okay, if they put Beast... Okay, I like this.
I think letting Beastmaster tank the offlane,
because you're just dragging waves anyway,
so just sack him and let him pull waves.
It's fine, they'll do okay.
I think the SF mid is much better.
I don't think you want the shadow feeding,
it's just Pudge again,
you don't want to let the lane feed happen.
So if you can have,
I think Reconyx's safe lane is favored this game,
and I think it's easier to play.
You've got just two dudes who sit there and hit,
and it's not that easy, even if you get hooked to die,
like you will get return kills, I think at a minimum.
So I think Reconyx's draft is
not maybe objectively better than it was last game,
but I think it's easier for them to play,
and I think they have decent chances.
FBZ also has Beast Mode, so he will be playing for Aghanim's Farm the Ancient Stacks throughout the entire game.
If Klinkz ever steps up, he has to jump to Klinkz.
Don't let this guy freecast and right click.
How many times have we seen Klinkz have decent midgames because they're never found,
but Reconyx, they have five heroes who will happily punish someone who's ever out of position.
Yeah, I actually like Reconyx's draft a lot more.
I don't like what Heroic kind of ended up with in the end.
Like your Enigma 5, sure it's fine and cute, but did you need to flex it really?
I feel like no your clink is gonna have a really good land top and it kind of frees up your fight
But a nigma doesn't use that very well
You're not really helping like your ember in this mid lane that much whereas I feel like
Reconyx your beast can farm you have a super good land mid you have a super good land safe lane
This is the one this is the one the thing though for heroic is their heroes
They bring the vibes and like the skin expression right you know ember like off the lane phase got the links of power
It's an ember you know like play through the map the skirmishing the random like I've never really described a drop like that
But like it does look like you're gonna have fun if you can get online and do your things, but like on a basic draft level
Reconyx just looks better on paper
But I can see Heroic having a little bit of flair refinding some form through just kind of the creativity these heroes bring
Well with a little bit of a aura farming acquisition coming out from T on heroic strats
We'll see just how it is with the tylong getting an opening ember spirit
Is it going to be punished enough coming up against a mid Shadowfiend?
Reconyx, they're on the edge of being our first team eliminated here at BlastLam6.
So let's get on into it. Game number two.
right this time we're gonna get in your dream taking the SF to the mid a hero
that he should on paper like it's very difficult to lose on the mid SF right
unless you get first blooded and you give an advantage somehow even then right
he should still do very good in that matchup versus the Ember spirit let's
see if Kylai's gonna just be able to pretty much outplay right because this
guy has been super impressive in your dream has had a lot of games where he's
really struggled so let's see how that man that's up ends up going and let's
see if you know FBZ as they were mentioning he's having to tank that
off-lane we'll have to see how much actually results of it because yes he's playing versus the clinks
But then they're also playing it into an enigma five which isn't really one of the most pressure-based heroes either
So yeah, I'm looking forward to see what we do get because this feels quite a bit of a different game approach from
Do you prefer one of the drops overall?
Yeah, like Reconyx is a bit more but I think her oaks is the better team by a good margin. So it's
Yeah, it's all come done come down to execution and how much they can make happen with it because there's a lot of
There's just so much teamfight. I feel like they just have everything covered on the side of Reconyx.
Everyone has stuns, they have BKB piercing disables, good teamfight, pretty strong lanes overall, so
it does feel like Heroic has to be working a bit of that magic perhaps.
And I'm glad they did this switch up, right? I did not want to see SF Jekiro in the safe lane,
even though Jekiro is much stronger than CM, it's still two slow heroes versus a Pudge.
Very happy that they decided to do this.
Yeah, top should be hard to get caught and we're trying to aggressive onto FBZ and with the three of them
They'll find in first blood for humor might be able to taste a little down a little bit as well
It was a good body but it's coming from T.O. the corn king jungles there
So they're making it impossible for the little to get away
as to lol
And he's gonna get bushed by the ready to set up for humor to get a second kill
Double kill for the carry to start the game off
So, okay, I've, the Harok is one of the few teams that I think still does.
This is a lot of times where they start as like this,
try lane just for like one or two kills,
because their Slade isn't the overall maybe, you know,
as oppressive with this Enigma.
But this was pretty clever.
Using that branch there and getting the catch.
Also, Delo, this sometimes is a problem
when you just immediately skill your ability, right?
Delo, right when the game started, he's skill tree-wrapped.
Because he's, I'm gonna be trading with Idle lines, I think, and fully waves.
Didn't have Avalanche.
He has Avalanche, maybe.
A bottom?
It's a different approach.
They're near to kill Jekroy.
He's got a run there, if the other core is trying to chase, I mean, even away, you know,
Jikroy not in a great situation, he'll start to tango up.
Or, or he's taking a bit of a beating down on the safe lane.
Be careful for these hooks, Whisper, and I'll take a beating again, Varysh is level 2.
I'm gonna get a little more power from the bud, Whisper, get into the hook, Varysh, he's
gonna go down, can Jikroy at least find Whisper in return, he can't Whisper, he's tank, he's
He's gonna be fine, Jicro is dead.
Oh, these are turning into some messy side lanes already here for Reconyx.
I thought he was level 2. I was like, okay, Jicro is gonna be able to...
He was, I think, what, one experience from level 2.
Oh boy. That's quite something.
Vio and Whisper do end up breaking some lanes sometimes.
My God. Just like that. Whisper is served.
I thought for sure Whisper was gonna die.
At least for a trade. Not the case.
Jekro is going to try for him here, but can't quite reach him to the tower to get the kill.
He's actually going to end up losing his courier, so another pick up here for a run.
Whisper got the Zalv out, so he's going to be back up to, in sort of fighting condition.
They've got to be careful on these side lanes.
And now that we have a moment, I mean, mid is probably the lane that we don't really want to look at as much,
so it's good that all this action is happening, because this is an SF versus Ember Spirit,
so it's pretty much absolutely free for In-Your-Dream.
see what Thailand does look to do with the fixed things. I think maybe we'll do some
rotations early in terms of ganking the mid lane, at least with the hoodwink. KJ?
We're trying to go for the loads, but after ZN Del L, we'll push him off it.
That's the one thing that Inner Dream does have to watch out for is just
whenever the hoodwink goes missing, or whenever anybody goes missing. I don't
think the Enigma will probably do any type of gank on the mid lane, but Theo I
I think definitely has some opportunities if there is, you know, just a mistake that comes up from the SF
We had half of razors here
We might have to kill here in your dream one more race to come through he's lined it up perfectly
Well done. I
Like the tip to give him some confidence right because he did struggle that last game
from me. Well done.
Top lane, the beast is actually getting, after the death, you know, they're not actually
dragging waves, they're playing the lane and he's getting something, so at least a little
bit. Although Yuma is still pretty much re-farming. Whisper? She's okay.
They're surviving down here, but not really able to hit the creep so far, Whisper.
It's late. Xylok's trying to track, but hello.
They'll be able to punish him for this. Varus here ready to help pin your dream out. It's Tylong, dead again.
Great TP for Varus. Top lane.
Trying for King Jungles, but he's able to tell me the matter fits onto FBZ.
Ymir and King Jungles chasing down. They set up for another kill for Ymir.
They might just be able to get Dalor as well with the Idols out.
King Jungler's is he able to survive on top of it all he is they can't even bring down the enigma is two more kills for
Yuma four kills already picked up in this first four minutes of gameplay on the save plate
I mean we knew it was gonna be a sacked Beastmaster Brad
I didn't think they would give up these secondary deaths to the enigma because it's just you know
Enigma putting pressure on can be a bit complicated, but just the constant harass from Yuma does add up
FBZ is gonna be very slow down, but at least yeah SF is having a good time
An incredible time
He's got a jungle, Yuma.
They should be able to surely get him this time round.
He's got backup coming in, but not soon enough to save him, so...
...stays a bit too deep on the lane on his own, gets punished.
It's a big kill, of course, putting an end to that early little streak that Yuma did have going.
FBZ to take that kill.
Now with the top flank on the King jungles, 50 Malphys off, doesn't matter, the Axis come in.
come in, that little FBZ ever getting another kill out of it, the other gold will at least
clean up FBZ with the A cool shot coming in at the end there. Same time down bottom this
means the whisperer, he's been left on his own so they'll push for the action between
Jirkarah and Varysh and also find that kill down on the bottom lane so starting to see
Reconyce strike back a little bit on these lanes.
Yeah, the power of mid and bottom in particular top of them. Impressive that they're able
to find these kills afterwards once they start hemorrhaging some kills but yeah, mid and
bottom are owning in your dream level seven highlands just hit the level five
this tower is under pressure they got to bring whisper
let's see if we can get some sort of hook opportunity and he's gonna land it
catches on to barrage did get in his room he's gonna be able to get him his
way out of the century but the rock chase down continues down another century
ready to throw down anyway so they'll get the kill and we'll manage to snipe
not the car there Delo.
Centuries used though.
All of each other to the mid.
Not the cheapest, right?
Two Centuries to get a kill.
Yeah.
And it's a rotation from Whispers,
which means he's not in bottom at all.
Jigroy is getting that free farm now.
And I say free farm.
It's actually 24-12 on Jigroy.
So not by any means free farm.
Just playing too much, or playing a lot for the kill,
in particular on Whispers, instead of getting all those last hits.
And recovery, as we said, for Tylung,
they did have it prepared.
So look at the stacks that they've been making
in the meantime, that's why King Jungles wasn't around Yuma initially. They do have a triple
stack on both of these medium camps for the ember to start with a cover. So good identification
from them, you know, he went for the 1-1-3 build, the flamelard build we were playing
to just recover and catch up.
that's fbz's dominator pretty much done good timings across the board on the three cores
I do think that they're pretty happy on the side on the radiant side this time around
even though they did hemorrhage a good amount of kills early on to the craziness of heroic
things are now stabilizing and over all the lanes look quite good the fact that
that's easy is top three net worth as this piece master who could have been
sacked yeah quick number the tango to take that tree down
stopping pushback from connecting that's why you see all these players with
those quelling blades you even see the shadow fiend having quelling blade this
game just really on top of cutting that hoodwings tree the wind ranger in the
I don't know if you can get the jump forward and grab the haste rune and now they can tell
what the change is on towards in your dream is going to go for the rectum, we'll get it
off so it gives them a bit of room to back away, Thailand's going to look to reach in
with the remnant though still, we'll be able to get the kill there, in fact Thiele calls
the one that's able to snipe him, does cost Thielecoy his life as he ends up dying for
the rectum and at the same time Giercroy gets in on towards Whisper and is able to take
him out with that focus fire.
Heroic kind of has to do this we saw the similar type of thing especially from like what knobby when they had their ember spirits struggle
You bring the two supports you look to kind of punish that mid laner who's
Builds to just design to kind of shut you down. It will get that kill
But yeah whisper continues to be the sacrifice this game with all the rotations from feel
They get the setup on a British
No find him.
Whisper 6.
That was pretty hard.
Hook's gonna be off the mark, but doesn't get the connection.
That was scary for a second.
Good play.
She in the mid.
So deep.
He stepped up pretty far.
No drop to black hole for this one.
Take in your dream out.
A couple of times now after a pretty smooth start that they've been able to actually turn
and take out the SF and punish in your dream.
A very risky play.
He's going for the tower push by himself with no backup but very limited information.
up with very limited information so very super over aggressive from in your dream if he's
going to do that you want to have at least the tiny behind you gets punished good move
from heroic and good identification try lung that bird it is online as I mentioned the
vessel is very valuable this game if he does want to go for it versus well actually I mean
if the beast is going agonist which he will eventually but maybe he stalls it a little
bit getting some smaller items in this game in Thailand although it's the best of his amazing
but we'll see might want his phase first
nice oh thai lung he's there's a couple of power rooms that he's able to pick up that last one
hastrin as well you know it was in a situation where Dilul was there standing ready to defend it but
both times around couldn't stop the ember from getting the pickup on these rooms this guy's really
really fun to watch. I do have to say, no matter what happens in these games, I'm a fan.
I gotta say, he's been beating a lot of these players. I really didn't anticipate it. I'd
heard a lot of rumors about him. So, very nice little individual play. FBZ will clean
up a stack. It's the first component of that agonist if you'd like to go for it.
He's probably going straight from Philokoi. He has got the scurry to get into the trees
though, so no kill to be found with that focus fire.
Whisper, he's doing his recovery mechanic, so this is one of the reasons that Heroic is one of the few teams that absolutely loves the Pudge.
They do this every time. They stack Ancients, he smokes, he kills it, that's his recovery, so back to caught up at least with the Ember Spirit.
Still behind the enemy cores, but Yuma is the one at the top.
The list of the finished jungle at literally like 0 HP, which means you can't fight.
Can't finish off the camp either.
Now bottom tower is just going to have to be let go by the looks of it.
Push coming in from Jircroy.
Parish and Dalil.
I'll take the tier one.
Christopher really doesn't want to go back to base, brings a salve, continues to heal
to finish off those neutrals.
So we're all just trying to maximize now while they do lose that tower.
See where Reconyx wants to go next.
It looks like they want to scout out, see if they are those stacks, but it's almost
12 minutes in.
Maybe they can at least block some of them up.
That's always too much. I feel like he can start ramping things up quite a lot as this Prince 20 has it.
Super not worth it.
him off and Tylong is now out of remnant so won't be able to jump across and try and chase him down
still though pushing back in your dream and he's going to have the vessel done in a second and
he's just continues to get power runes again you know we mentioned this was actually similar to last
time not as drastic but he gets the mid tower before the SF is able to because of these little
moves that keeps playing around him and the SF not having the backup of his two supports
so pretty impressive stuff that Rhodes gonna do that in that SF first ember matchup
get it to hit those creeps so they get that at least the timing that they feel
comfortable to fight around which could be a vessel plus that's so on the clink
plus one or two components on the punch could be an opportunity for them while
on the on the flip side I mean they do still have some timings for sure to be
able to fight but just not as easy I would say the damage is gonna go up
drastically with the vessel plus that's all in the side of a roll I think
person for now you must be cautious over the push coming in and they want to
try to set up the defense here you must gonna give information at the least they
are rotating tylen has a regen okay let's see what the call is gonna be
catch them behind when they're resetting and splitting
The tower will fall.
Connick said to get back.
Can they get out safely there?
Because like a head on fight, I don't really want to see her rotate, but a small kickoff one they can do.
They're going to get the setup on FBZ.
We'll turn quickly with the Ruan towards Ty Lung, but already controls there into the sharp shooter, bursting him down low.
Yuma's ready with the wrap round, that's going to be FBZ gone.
Chiqua again going straight for Theolicole, will kill him.
Hopefully, a changer at the ready, they lock him down.
He has the backup from Varus on the low ground, he'll get the ice pop out, but Jekylloy, he's gone.
Red them 4 there from Tyling, he's going to try and go for more, but he's burning to the Makropire,
and he's going to get finished off by the Raze, coming in from in your dream.
And your dream turning up just in time to shut them down, and I need to take a lot of damage there,
fighting underneath this Makropire that Varus got a really good angle on.
I think they wanted to get that kill quite a bit quicker, but then Jekylloy shows up and he commits
for the hoodlinks so that like you know what we might as well get the trade kill
but the support's coming across on the side of the corner it's a great
avatars in that whole pirate. Send them a whisper.
Are you dreaming?
I mean his whisper got this solo? I think he has, he's got a hook at the ready if he can get it off!
Oh and he does!
He gets the job done and he gets the purchase as well to minimize the gold loss, picks up the agonimus before he goes down with that gold.
So he'll take that end at the week.
He cannot be dying like this by himself on the SF.
That is brutal. How many levels did he get to on Whisper? I mentioned he got a fair bit and now Yuma picks up a snag himself also.
That's rough for Reconyx. After getting at least some type of trade kill stop after Jekyll right just throws his life away, you end up losing your SF as well. That's painful.
This Windranger is committing a little too hard to kill this Windranger, I will say. It's two times now that he's given his life away.
I'll see what looks to go next. Probably going to hit the jungle and I might just stay far
away from that mid area. So it's not in the safe spot right now for in your dream.
Just wait till he has, for in your dream for me, just like wait till you have blink and
then you can't show alone. If you're going to show, you have to have either, just anyone,
Beast, Tiny, anybody just near you. You cannot play by yourself on a set from this game.
FPC. Dominator done. Agg's done as well too. So, I, yeah, Reconyx definitely has opportunity to
take fights especially rallied around this Beastmaster right now. Just has to watch out for the vessel.
Tylon can do quite a bit of work with this.
H.A. is going to go for blink too, so he could catch Elf Guard.
There's a lot of ways to cancel it, in fact, everybody pretty much has a way to do so, but
setting up for top, whispers on his way, backing off of Reconyx, though that's not really too
safe of an area 20 right now with just the two of them. Maybe waiting for that call for
the SF to have the blink dagger because then they actually have the damage follow up with
that roar. Pretty much the lead a target instantly if they do want to look for something like
that. Alright content with sitting back getting some more timings blink is done for tiny same
thing for the enigma. Now let's see if they want to go for the smite. King jungles has
got one of the ready. They are pretty split so I'm not looking to immediately make a play with that.
I think Heroic Straft is more content with being able to sit back and just farm while on the side
of Reconyx. I mean they do want to farm don't get me wrong but I do think that they have the
outlets to fight a little bit easier in terms of catching heroes with beasts with tiny toss backs.
So I think that they can hunt right now on Reconyx pretty well.
Oh, the out.
Oh, you're a quick catch in the mid.
I don't know what to say, but scurrying away doesn't matter.
Must still be able to find him.
Just time around the mid with the plus form.
That's a little bit of a better outcome
from your dream in that arithmet.
Eyes on the low right now, looking to make these aggressive moves.
They actually have another blink, so triple blink daggers.
I mean, if anything, that says a lot.
Ratonix really wanting to dictate Pacer right now.
If you have good vision, they see KJ on the north side there with that ward that they placed.
And they're almost full duration.
I might get the jump on him, Dallow.
He's in with the opening, and he's having a burst him alone.
Very nice pick there from Dallow.
Double 12 now. A lot of solo XP for this tiny.
Quite a bit. A lot of burst damage now for him.
And Roche on the menu, get a kill.
Right around the area.
I don't want to try and chase for this, but I mean, that was pretty beefy, so it's going to take a bit of time to go for him.
And he's got the back for Paris, the ice path doesn't matter, Sharpshooter comes in, they will kill the tiny up, but the space is made.
Roshan's taken, FBZ's got the Aegis.
Looks like they want to keep going, they do have the roar available, they have the Requiem.
What a founding! Straight away there's the combo, not a chance for Whisper.
Looking for more, but heroic.
You do have four in the area.
Nice from Reconyx, I like this.
Don't keep pushing.
You got what you came for.
You got rush and you got a core kill and you don't have your ults up.
So back up reset.
Wait for those to come back up.
A nice hit.
I look like they are looking to make an aggressive move perhaps trying to catch up.
Catch someone off-guard when they're split away.
Maybe anticipating a movement here from the SF or from the Windranger, but not the case actually.
I just love to smoke on King Jungles, ready to pop if they want to enter into the jungle.
It's going to be tormentor soon, so if they want to contest that, either they have to smoke and go across the map,
or they have to go through Portal and place some type of vision.
Right now there's no vision besides that one ward that they have on the top side.
Let's see what the choice is from Heroic.
I'm looking for a pick off.
Yeah, they're really, really, really searching on the spawn side of the map, but of course
as we can see, there's nobody here to find.
They're afraid of the, and I don't blame them, they're afraid of the 5v5 engagement at this
point.
There's just too much team fight on the side of our contacts right now with what they have
on the side of Paroy.
Once they start getting some of these BKBs, then that can start to change things and then
they're going to have to worry about having to have a cross track wheel or something like
this.
I think that's a good one.
Supports are very high level on the side of Reconyx, both hitting 12 now.
Heroic. Okay. They don't have everyone with them, but also King Jungle's and Yuma do have TP's at the ready.
They have vision. They see Varys split up on the side there. Are they going to just go for him? He's TPing out.
He's open FBZ. He's alone. And he's already TP'd out. They've bailed out on him. So FBZ on his lonesome.
Heroic. It's not going to be too much work for them to take him down the fly set. He got left behind.
Literally as ditched I mean the word of course that they did have place from the other corner on this south side
It did see two or three heroes DP TPing out, but
ditched and that's the agents carrier. He probably should be the one that gets out first
And we have a finish of that tier one tower top
I see what he's considering. I think he's actually a PKBQ. Now he's actually switching his mind and wants to get the Lincoln's instead.
Both have their merits.
Oh, Portal.
Varish. They're portaling right on top of you. They see you.
Both of them hesitant.
and
You dream
Going for the aggoms so full spellcaster since he is the mid very close to having that as well
Said I mean I wouldn't blame the clings to just go for BKBO and I gotta be actually
Like I prefer that roar and all this but I think you're in tiny nothing in the fights. He's he's on the record right macros
Requiem. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah
It might change the mind again. Still yet to buy any bits of a Yuma.
Yeah.
He's coming in. He's buying the orb. He's buying the orb.
Yeah, once it's up for BKB for now.
Maybe it's just like we're not going to fight, right?
This is like we're literally not going to fight.
We're just going to keep playing as we are until we get these next plus two items, perhaps.
Because with Lincoln's, if he just even walks into a fight, let's say he doesn't get Recklin himself,
he's not going to do any damage. He'll get caught by all these little things.
Okay guys, we're gonna hit the creeps until these next few items. Get the BKB on the Enigma,
Agamem's on Ember, BKB on Whisper. We'll see where Reconyx wants to go if they can
identify that Alex just contend with it in those creeps that seems to me
definitely definitely till they've got the next item done as you say on the
cause of heroic yeah like perhaps still can do those little pick-off plays that
we were mentioning before right with the ember and the hood wings set up on
some of these sidelines and perhaps a hook but a full-on 5v5 problematic still
to those items. I don't call him up. I can actually get the avalanche on to both of them.
It helps. It doesn't know that Yuna's there. Gets the toss back onto Theo, LeCourt. Quick
and easy pick off. One small found here by Delon on the tiny same time top.
The right, the close one to Varish, but Varish is not back. But G-Kron is at the Chakratron
towards Tylung and the rule's there. Tylung, he's dead and Varish is going to be able to
survive a four-staff carries usually don't use their four staff on their
supports but jikkoi will save as jikkoi from getting hooked 5k lead they're
making the moves you know the low finding these small little pickups might
even find another one bottom yeah they know he's alone they get the setup into
the toss requrim combo it's human death big moves being made it by Reconyx I mean
obviously that that was something that you know Yuma did not expect to be down
at this stage of the game as a big one get some huge kill I mean he's not even
queuing up eKB ever I'd be honest with you the clink's you kill Blinkins and then
even that's risk that's risky that's risky
conics taking that pace now pretty nicely 6k lead even though they lost their
ages kind of for free they're still able to make these moves very comfortable
spot it took a pressure maybe for a rocket is just okay kj you're gonna get
blink BKB and you're gonna we're gonna get a big black hole yes there's a
Beastmaster roar that can bypass but that's it if he can't get those big
black holes it can't be pretty massive still for this game
get worried for quite worried for Yuma how he's gonna actually deal very well
unless he's just completely left alone if he does get completely left alone then
sure but I'd be shocked if that's the case. Yeah so sort of find that perfect
angle perfect entry into the fight. I mean obviously he has got what three heroes
that are gonna be jumping in first you know the Enigma, the Pudge, the Ember
they're all gonna be kind of just in the face of Reconyx making you know so
sort of this team fight setup in a way that the Clinkz is pretty free to kind
of pick and choose his targets. It is true. Thailand is stuck bottom that word
that you mentioned. He was ready. I didn't want to stick around a moment too long.
Hey, Julius, I think he's the only, he's their all physical damage, right? They're
pretty resisted to a lot of this magical at this point, so I don't know. We'll have to
see. He has to play as positioning perfectly in the fight. Pretty much. Or they have to
get like a multi-hero black hole for it to just get that barrage off. Yeah.
How long for those next objectives? 15 seconds till Rosh, Reconyx. I think this
could be another potential attempt for another move here. They have some, still
some good vision. I think that d-port top wasn't spotted. And not just yet though.
They do have the Arcane Rune though on the SF, so I think he does probably want to move here.
4 gunpowder gauntlets. I know this item is popular, but man.
5 actually.
And they do get double greedy. So, Harog did get the neutral item they wanted in the sports.
Double greedy enchantment.
When they're just looking to hit some creeps and sit back.
Yeah, seems like they're just chilling for now.
Yeah, they do have to be on King Jungle, so.
They do.
And there's the Lincoln stun, so they are getting these next round of items done, but yeah, I guess the question is going to be, is that going to be sort of the stage of which Rourke are going to go to look for the action, or are they just going to look for that next time pick up and continue to try and play it slow.
Looks like they are grouping up. Looks like they are considering to go for this smoke play. Eyes on KJ, right? Eyes on KJ if he can get the black hole, and eyes on you if he can actually get attacks off. Or does he just not really get much off and gets confirmed?
Let's see what we got.
Esper, will show himself up top.
Rekonix, and a nice defensive posture.
Smoking up themselves.
In your dream I said 20 also, so the Requiem Fear per line has also been picked up with the Aghanims.
This is the execution from Herok has to be on the next to perfect in this upcoming fight.
Because with Connix this has just quite a bit of easier execution to come into it.
You just have to watch out for that black wall.
especially if they use their Aurora.
Ooh, Whisper, look at Temp.
I know where they are.
Reconyx are keeping a fair distance away from that high ground, could go for the smoke wrap around themselves.
They're gonna try it.
He could be also an SF too, so now he's got that free setup to be able to get that requiem unless he gets black hold a bit
Well, it's like this is quite interesting was our FPC is not immediately joining this movement, okay
He's gonna remain down in the river chose now
Now they're looking for the BKB and put the BKB in back off.
Alright, I'm just going to use this BKB to retreat for now.
The buyback is going to come in from Delo.
Tylong, he gets the change, the nation onto Jekroy.
Whispers, another hoax on FBC, has to put the BKB raw and run.
Delo, well, let's get back in for the black hole, it's going to be dropped down onto Jekroy.
He was ready for it, the King Jungle is just waiting for the Wim Ranger to walk back in.
It was almost as if they forgot that the black hole was still good to go.
And that's your carry dead.
as soon as the roar was used I literally immediately my head I'm like oh god this is the
black hole is coming use that roar he's waiting KJ is sitting there waiting for it to cast
great catch there from whisper awkward awkward the way they kind of run into start the fight
in your dreams requiem kind of clips absolutely nothing as well too heroic and this is patience
that one definitely was patience from them in your dream he's not gonna get him though
I turned for him now.
He was thinking.
He's got to be kept leveling his 6th round in this area in your dream.
He's got to know that they're running straight for him.
The bush mark's going to find him.
They get the catch.
And he is very dead.
BKB's on cooldown, so no chance of a rectum or a TP as such.
That was risky, right?
As soon as you see the hook, we run away from you like that.
Sticking around, you're kind of just taking a huge risk on whether or not
there's going to be backup.
And in this sort of game, of course, they're going to have backup.
also just going for the solo play on as the SF is just crazy I gotta be honest
like in that type of area you don't really see much of anything I was looking
at the map he didn't see anything very very reckless kind of play and heroic
now if they're starting to hit that stride he could be gonna be back up in
10 black hole in 80 they've shown they can win a fight now depending on
positioning
Uh-oh, we're conics.
This next fight probably gonna have to be...
I mean, this next fight's gonna be all important for them.
If their SF has his literal dream timings of blink, DKP agonism and everything, and that's
the way this goes, there's concerns coming forward if we're gonna send DKP enigma.
Rush scum, Aegis is gonna be theirs, we're gonna get the pick up.
Now it's like, okay, now it's built, but it's very comfortable, right?
Not having to go for the BKB, being able to actually have an Aegis coverage, so.
Had a concern for it, but hasn't actually been a real concern.
Form.
Should be able to get it.
Chick-Roy also just not wanting to have it be...
I know like they, a lot of these players, they really don't like having it in a lot of situations, right?
But there's a lot of random damage too.
Sure, Vank is gonna get the Discos versus some of these chains
and prevent you from getting something caught on you, but...
Okay, he queues it now. Thank goodness.
I'm just looking at some of these carries, and I'm like...
It's gonna prevent you from getting in and out of the fights without having to.
So, Steven...
It's gonna be a while away for him, man.
It's gonna take him a bit of time to get that.
Mm-hmm.
Twilight?
Happy for Yuma.
At least he's gonna see it. Slight change was there. Couldn't jump out of time at the Remnant, but there's gonna be the hook from Whisper to keep him safe.
Get him away from the Beastmaster.
And right away now, there's no roar.
I need to jump from Tylon. He's got his eyes on Varus.
They're gonna get the Tatch here. Lay down the Magpropyre. Doesn't matter. It's not gonna do anything here. He's dead.
You must still stick around down bottom, and obviously with this MKB, he might try and threaten Jikron.
He might go for the solo play here.
He's gonna have a lot of damage.
Ember's coming.
He's gonna open up onto this start the move. There's the remnant not gonna get the catch on him. No time lung
So Chikroy will live
Chikroy had the man for the whole time to he was being very patient in terms of his usage so good hold there
Feel the pressure though heroic
Finding all that footing starting to feel pretty commanding with the way that they can make individual plays to
and 2-2 to fall.
Full refresher now on Whisper again.
Same as that last time.
I'm sure the panel's going to look at some of the items.
Four staff, ghost staffers on the two supports.
No Lotus.
No ways to protect their cores versus this bite in particular.
I want to try and get out on the map though, Reconyx.
The group top now is 5, then making this move.
It is into this Aegis, so it's not going to be an easy one to make,
want to make but maybe they can catch the Heroic split up. They know their Heroic's
going to be playing relatively safe in the way that they're not trying to just completely
force the advantage for the ages. They're going to be caught out once they're barring
on the map. Lose DL of course, not the biggest loss there for Heroic.
Wistler, he's going to get straight in on top of it. He's in with a hook and this is
not for his core. In your dream, the damage comes in from you. Now this is in your dream
that FBZ is going to try and fight on BKB. But the hook's backed up. There's so much
I don't know if they're feeling desperate or something, but that was kind of crazy the way they just
YOLO played into the enemy jungle
And they go I guess I mean Theo is literally just like the martyr first
He's just dying and then they win the fight immediately after it's too much attention to put on the sweat link
So they got the stuff lost it immediately. Yeah
Now I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
I'm gonna go back to the game
Yeah, I think you know, they just wanted to try this risky moves whilst they were maybe split up as I wish I had row
Yeah, they're in position to just connect with one another. They're just that a little too much
It's too fast here for Reconyx to get the kill and get out
I think perhaps it was something like guys like we're not doing anything and now they're starting to get the momentum
Let's just do something but that do something and extremely disastrous as it's
I don't know the SF who ends up going back to the gem
It's just kind of discordant, the way that they're disengaging in a lot of these situations.
That's a mid-side gong.
Alright, let's take K up and a set of barracks.
Watch the plan here for Reconyx. It's gonna be tough.
Top play is pushing in.
That final 2-2 soon if they want to erode.
Sundar, a minute left on the edges for you, Matt.
I mean, the whole idea probably of the game is also kind of broken, right?
They got all their item timings.
They got the link BKBs.
They got the link BKB Kaiyasha on the SF,
and then they lost the fight and it's a win.
That's the way it all kind of went down, so.
Reconyx, they have to find a better way to be able to look to start these fights off.
I mean now at this point they have to try to hope that at least the Jigra can get the BKB
so he can stand his ground and do something about it.
Yeah, but Rook's just kind of outplaying them in the fights too.
Black hole in the win ranger or black hole in the SF.
That's all they need. They don't need a multi hero one.
I feel like something's on the other corner now, sir.
something extra that they've got to bear in mind when they try and turn up to these fights especially pre-BKB on Jircroyd
and so early again on the glass game too he also got it really early yeah I don't like that he's buying it as a second item
looks a little weird great cast range always gonna be nice
I think the low kind of has to just sacrifice. He's just got a YOLO go in start the fight and then give the opportunity for the
Beastmaster and the Windranger and SF choose how they want to go for the initiation.
Someone's got to find King Jungles right in the Enigma.
Yeah, I think the LoL just has to for information. Like you just, someone's got to go in and you
don't want it to be probably the Beastmaster because they black hole the beast, then you have no VK.
As long as you're able to play the fights in a way where the Enigma doesn't have to show at the beginning,
You know, that fight is just so hard for Reconyx to commit into.
Yeah. Also, I have to say Whisper is monstrously farmed.
He has Lotus, Refresher, he has everything now, at this point, and he's 25.
So he was a big issue as well.
He could just solo kill the women here.
They look for Yuma. They remember the jump, they put the wreck in as well.
I think of the first to kill him, they do, they bring Yuma down.
They can go for more. We're just going to try and fight back here. Get this member low down on some more to Chikroy.
The refresh here, ready to go for round two on some more.
They're going to hit the second dismemberment.
He's lowed him.
Oh, it's not enough damage. Chikroy's going to be able to run.
They'll try and chase with the remnants plays into the trees.
He's going to get some TPL. Chikroy actually gets out alive.
King Jumpers will come over with deep black hole.
Drop it down onto FBZ.
So they'll at least likely get the B-score.
So I'll say this, actually everybody's going to get BKB off. It doesn't matter.
Hook's still there. They'll kill FBZ off.
They're also going to die through that.
just trying to get on to the back line to the fight.
So thinking get more here, jump forward from Thailand.
They get caught by the Shacklesburgs.
Shacklesburgs was able to get up and heal back up.
The focus by coming in with a H from the Alacor.
Holds to Croy back in place.
Biber from the Alacor comes in with a combat to the Alacor.
Trying to press through the hook.
And it's not enough to kill him.
The Shacklesburgs back up onto Thailand.
But there's going to be the win-raiser dead.
That's him out for eight.
You know, Biber, whisper kind of cleaning up the fight.
He's going to run down for his triple kill for Whisper.
The Enigma will fall, so it ends up just Whispering Delova to remaining survivors of this fight
because Delova did have to buy back to be in this sort of position.
It's a messy fight, but I guess Whispering, he's the true winner at that one.
He's the one that comes out on top.
Level 26 now.
Whispering killed everybody and I'm not exaggerating.
He was all the damage as well.
I actually had it up for a second there, the fight recap.
He did 15,000 damage.
Everyone else was like 2 or 3k and I think Whispering actually could have solo killed
the wind ranger at the start of things too he did make a little bit of a slip-up with the hook there
yeah this this touch from the secondary that was insane like look at him
I'll see yeah yeah
because of the start pretty good jump right there to play around the vision kill off humor
but then at that point which was like all right I don't need a carry as you said he is to carry
gets in unfortunately does that she managed to he did oh he got greedy again
you're because he wanted to go for the hook on the SF he canceled the dismembered to hook in the
SF so he always wants to go for those star points whisper doesn't work out at the start of the fight
But overall when you consider the outcome of the pike's entirety he gets the star points back
Yeah, and then I mean just keep watching him big greater healing notice him and watch look look where everybody else is going
They're going for jacquero. He's got his target chosen
He sees the SF on the bottom right that you don't see on your screen kills the SF and then has to go for the next one
So I mean a whisperer absolute massacre by him
Pretty much one of you five almost in a way
Yeah, the end definitely for Jill.
This Pudge.
Rather a problem.
Reconyx, I mean, if they try and come out on him,
he's just gonna take so much to kill him at this point.
4K, 8K.
1,000 cents to a 4V5.
But Clink's died before anything, right?
Yeah, that's very true as well, yeah.
He was not in the fight, Yuma.
Now, Rosh, looks like Yuma should be able to get that one.
I don't know if they can make it down there on the side of Reconyx.
I can't resist to do that.
Oh yeah he's solo- oh wait he came.
So Tylo and I, this was actually kinda cool purchase.
I don't think you see too many people also do this, but having this fourth item A on this, absolutely coming at the play too.
He's just being that nuisance, giving information to his other two cores to get the carry.
That's Roshan's gum.
You have to clean the ages.
Two banners to play with as well for push.
Conics now, quite heavily on the back, but they haven't really gained anything in terms
of items in, I feel like over 10 minutes or so.
The SF still has the exact same inventory, 5k gold, Windranger has got, I mean the BKB,
that's one thing for sure.
But yeah, not too much growth, the way that Heroic's been able to dictate the pace themselves.
What's Highline?
Not going to get the catch, but the creep wave is in position here for Heroic to approach the base again.
Can they get you off the base?
Indeed, here he is, ready with the axe.
Lays down the Skeleton Army, clears up the Tier 3.
The bag's probably not gonna stand a chance of it smoking up on McConex,
so I'll have to use the fortification.
Fuck, Doreen.
I did.
I'm gonna find a way to make a jump to the Frostbite play.
The Raks, they're already gone. They can't stop this push.
So, Rook will take a second set.
Doreen is pushed out.
Do they back up and reset?
They look like they will.
Do they want to chase for Connix? It does look like they want to. Can they get a catch here, Yuma?
You should be fine. Yuma's also hit 25. Has the steering arrow multi-shot.
Any other stuff like that?
Can you dream?
He didn't pop the dust. I thought the low whip popped the dust. It isn't poppy.
So yeah, the point I get the load plate for octurine. So yeah, no Lotus. They're going pretty greedy on support items agonism
Also for the jikiro now looking to give any lotuses early extra protection for their cores
Well, they're gonna have to this next
Now put everything together for this defense because I wrote
They're gonna be able to get the tormentor
And we'll have to run it down the top left again. Yeah, we might see obviously wrote be quite careful about this
yes but oh and they haven't been able to stop KJ getting black holes off
literally at all this game now he's got no and he's got Lincoln's BKB so now
they you actually just pretty much cancel as you do it very well executed he
makes a mistake you don't have to break which I love that Lincoln's in this game
What's he losing out?
Oh, Jikroy.
He's just charging down the lane in the hook.
He's gonna find the whisper!
Look at the catch, but the PKP is there as well.
As the linkers to keep Jikroy safe,
like the Sarves to the red, they're coming in.
Adrien jumps forward, but now the Black Hole comes into play.
King jungles in on top of the SF, though,
killing your dream off. He's not got buyback.
He's dead for 90 seconds.
Deload, the trap to come on to whisper.
Toss to the side as well. Whisper very low.
That Tossback might just have been able to get in the kill.
getting the kill they do, they kill Whisper off. So Delilebro at least finds something
like the costumer's life goes his core outside, maybe not actually the avalanche holds back
humor and time running, so Dallol's able to run. So if they can get anything more, I mean
they want to try and punish them once they've outnumbered them, see Delilebro go straight
for King Jungles who get the kill. A lot of damage is going to be flying in from the
clicks, he took the Parashtrap back up the ward's humorous, Parashtrap and Dallol in
Trouble though, Dal ulti fall, he's dead for 2 minutes, you'll be taken out, FBG's got the BKB and we're all ready to focus Tylungs, Kroi's ready to come back in,
Chaco's shot's not gonna last though, Tylungs will live and both of them will die for that effort to get back in and kill them as you make this the clean up.
Tylungs able to TP out alive and you know he's perfectly fine here, full HP on his second life after the Aegis.
And they try that, they throw some everything at them, it's not quite enough, they get a few kills here and there, but they can't deal with you in a second life, Thailand survives, and now they've got four heroes dead on the side of Brutonix.
It just takes them far too long to kill any targets, their damage is just not high enough, even though they're getting Roars and whatever on this Ember Spirit, it's okay.
Whisper does die, they've actually got a good convention and he did pop the refresher at the end to try to do a cheeky little blink out play, but the damage is done, the strippy megas.
Yume, ready to clean up the objectives.
Everyone wants to stick around for more, still a fair bit of time until they've got everybody back online, and Yume's got a cheese ready to pop as well.
He's looking to close this one up onto the tier 4th, BiBat comes out from FBZ.
They're coming back right now. They're gonna a good window still with no tiny limber if they do want to force it
But they might wait 40 seconds because then they'll have to double BKB black hole just in case of things
heroic
It's comfortable spot as you can do that with the Megas
It should be very close to
Flows in this one up
We saw last game, you know, even though they had to leave there were a few hiccups towards the end
They still got the job done
See if they can do it a little bit cleaner this time
No, so far there's not been too much of kind of a pushback from Reconyx a little bit
You know the other showing of a fight there
But into the ages were still too much to really stop a rope from having this lead
The road celebrity get this further objective get the mega creeps
So 25k ahead heroic
They can see the potential to move on, bottles gonna be dropped here as well to allow for
Yuma to swing across, get that amplified damage rune on himself, ready for the next fight.
If he wants to, on top of having the full Daedalus, doing everything they can here to close this series up.
Just care for these bosses.
It feels like for the last 18 minutes or so, they've just been absolutely dominating the map.
Actually, kind of since when the A's just started abandoning, right? When FPC got abandoned top,
They kind of lost this insane amount of momentum afterwards both for that fight on the high ground in the enemy jungle too
Dictating that pace for 20 minutes Thailand zoning off three heroes from that triangle just now
Let's see if they can deal with this now
You ma over go get that bottle that Thailand dropped down for him get the amplified damage rune
How do they get this execution?
Because even in your dream, we know how this SF build, at least the spellcaster one, starts to hit its peak for a while, and the game really fell off a cliff.
There's a couple too many little individual solo plays when he got picked off on his own.
Now, yeah, the damage just isn't really there, even with double Requiem combos.
The Wind Ranger needs to get, okay, actually perfect, I was going to say, Wind Ranger needs to get 25, so they can get multiple focus fires off.
If they can kill the first target, so he doesn't least have that
But might need the rapier or might need like a crit or something like those
I just don't think his damage is coming in slowly
And her tie lungs out around the mid
Can they combo him down?
That a on disc. That's true
Shackles gonna latch, but they know that this is not really something they can throw everything on to
They might honestly just try because of the win on the state of everything, but not gonna
be the case.
Alright, other set, they're in no rush, waiting for rush, yeah, wait for the next one, yeah,
I wouldn't blame them in this one, by any means. You just get yourself another refresher shard. You can give it to your Ember or your Clinks and then they have double of everything.
And you already have your double Black Hole, your Avian W, Pudge Bite.
Clear path to victory for her.
Wall for Reconyx. I am looking at the Avian, for sure. I think Jekyll has a good one. Absolutely. Has to go for it. You need every little bit of damage you can get during these, either the roar or the requiem fear.
and he is close. He is. 1600 gone they'll have it. Sell the trends a little closer, right?
Oh that's true I should have used the slot for anyway so yeah yeah he will get it for the next fight for the next defense no doubt about it.
Let's see if it makes that difference. Yeah I mean he's all in I mean who do you try and all in on who can you potentially kill before counter plays come in it just feels so hard.
with great vehicles anybody I would say.
I like the Brawl Ops or the Stylone, but there's the on this.
So if he's gonna actually be able to attack the whole time is the question, because...
Yeah, they have so much control.
I think... okay, so we have to get rid of the Enigma, because otherwise he's just gonna get a BKB Blackhold 100%.
It's not the first time this happens.
They just have to know where KJ is really. They have to know where KJ is, either to lead
him or just zone him out of the fight so that Jir-Kroos can actually get focused by
those other ones. Let's see if Jir-Kroos can make the magic happen. Paul Bracconyx here.
Trying to hold on here. A Blast, Slam 6. I lost here. It would be the end of the road
for them. You've got to make it through so many HP pools, the cheese pudge, with 5,4,300 health,
Aion's disc amber, which is still on cooldown for a second.
He's leaving a slot open though, so they might pass him. Okay, yeah, they pass him a pressure
shark. We're looking at Whisper. Well, that's not going to be what they want to go in there,
it's going to get jumped first. Whisper, he's hit on towards them, that's what the BKBs,
FBZ's been caught by the Dispamber. Can they free him inside?
They'll try to run for that.
Backing down the zone with a jump.
Guest of Blackout locked down.
They've caught Jekroit.
They'll kill them when they drop.
A kill for more FB on him.
Rapier hits the deck.
This game, likely to be over with no second FB available on FBZ
or Jekroit.
They don't have a carrier and off-laner to hold.
Heroic, they can move on to their tier fours.
Fortification will be popped, then.
It's just the last three of them standing till low.
He's going to try for some avalanche toss back.
But the hex is there, who caught in the first whack, Gigi has caught, Haraiiit!
They'll close up the games today, 2-0 here, against Reconyx knocking them out.
Haraiiit played much more disciplined overall today. I think this game, Reconyx...
I don't know, this is just going to weird, because they got their item timings, and in particular
two or three of these fights just went horrifically wrong for them. So Haraiiit,
a bit of outplay, but Reconyx also, good amount of individual mistakes we can say.
in your dream getting caught a couple of times in some pretty crazy positions.
Yeah, fair to see them go, but Heroic, some improvements.
Absolutely, they're definitely steps in the right direction from Heroic, no doubt about
it.
They close up the two wins today and they're not letting either of these games slip away
from them this time round.
2-0 for Heroic as they'll move on at BlastLam 6.
After yesterday's loss, what was so heartbreaking for them and putting them in this position
of having to play last chance qualifiers.
They say no more, they're done with the losing.
However, in our game number two, despite getting the 2-0
in the best of three, Quinn, I would say this early game
might be the shakiest we've seen from Heroic so far.
Yeah, it was not ideal, it was not clean,
and I think that's what characterizes the series.
It was a heroic that was definitely better,
but they were not clean and they were not perfect,
but I do think there's something to be said
that sometimes you're in a messy series
and you just need to get the job done and get the W,
even if it's not pretty.
You can go and you can learn from the series in the future.
important part is, hey you just got out of a rough group stage, you won the game, that's what counts,
now it's time to watch the replays and the presentation. I couldn't agree more, it's pretty
much just one of those things where for Heroic, anything's better than what some of the group
stage games were, right, so to them at least, they're looking at Tyla on the post in two games,
the draft, offering them up to try and get countered to beat the Ember this time, again,
they get countered much more difficult game, so maybe they will be hesitant on that one at least
with the Ember, but yeah, for Heroic, you finally found some sense of victory, you are going to be
be out playing up against what is it? I think what? Tundra in your next round to try and get some
mortar. So it's not going to be an easy series at all, but any victory for them will just ground
what has been a chaotic group stage. Yeah, they'll definitely have to keep improving, but I will say
that in terms of what they showed me, there was a lot of individual good plays and at least a little
bit of excellence. I think Whisper played quite well on the podge. I think also King Jungles.
You know, Nigma 5 is not something you normally see when you bust out these more
strange and weird heroes. You need to do small things. Camp the rune, stack some camps, which he
you did for Thailand in the early game. So, you know, while they still have a lot of things
to improve on, there were good things that you should take, like, take some confidence
from them to know in the future games.
I thought the Quinter is going to say something.
You said it was really funny to play in the future games for them getting it too. It means
there is future new, right? T it is tundra. They're going to have to come up against.
We're not going to jump too far into the future. They were going to focus on the here and now
what was just played out for us because we talked about all the good things that
a road can't take away from this but on the side of our clinics you had that
advantage in the earlier part of this game and it did eventually slip away and
all three of you really kind of favored that draft too you said it's not clear
cut but there definitely is that advantage towards them I think they
said to some fault they set themselves up well for ease of execution they had
heroes that I think they're comfortable on individually they've shown good
performances on throughout the tournament I think you know I think we had a
a clip of Shadowfiend feeding a little bit earlier in the game,
but I think if he comes down to moments like this,
you've crushed Emerson, you solo killed,
and you went and fed it again,
and he kind of just walks up to the enemy hill.
Yuma has a really great TP where he's got that awareness
of I need help on my Ember, he's had a bad game,
I'm gonna fix this situation.
Kills like this that you feed away,
you lose a lot of momentum from this.
Instead of like the time that you're dead,
you could have been making a move somewhere else
in the meantime, it's a lot of opportunity costs
on top of the fact they get gold from this,
like it really adds up,
and you can't be making mistakes like this.
It also compounds with them, like Beastmaster having the Aegis team losing it right when they're playing bot side, he loses the Aegis, like it's the random death, it's the poor usage of the Aegis, it's like the other thing that once you have the 6-7000 gold lead, like it needs to be clean, it needs to be take over the map and make moves and it isn't really the case for them.
It's just, it's too many like individual mistakes, but then also when they actually have to play together as a team and like do it properly, I think their mid game is just quite weak, of course it can happen, you're a new team, you play against better players.
Honestly, they just need more time. It was one of their first showings, so hopefully with time, that is something they can fix, but the mid-game stuff, how you teamfight, how you play the map, that stuff, it honestly just takes time.
Would you say teamfight more than anything is where the priority needs to go for Connix to look at? I mean, it's not easy. There's a lot of things, right? I understand that, but we're trying to break it down to what is black and white, even though it's not.
To me, maybe if you want to sum it up more shortly, it's maybe the purpose or the plan of what is the next thing you want to do in the game.
So then you can focus on where you want to go, the objective you take, the fight you want and how you take that, because it seems a little lacklustre.
I also feel there's somewhat disconnected from the meta or the ideology of some of the better teams, I think especially the European teams, whether it be Eastern or Western.
I think from any other region, you kind of have to look at those teams and not maybe copy them, but you need to strongly consider what they're doing,
because they've won every tournament for a really, really long time.
And I think I'd look at this team, and they're a bit too disconnected from that.
In item builds, in heroes picked in gameplay,
it feels like they're not even really paying that much attention to the European teams.
And I think you just have to.
Like, you have to respect that it's the best region in the world at Dota,
and look at that a little, study that gameplay, and put the work in.
And I feel at least outside of Reconyx going back to Heroic,
Heroic needs to be somewhat careful as they progress in the tournament,
because there are moments where they kind of got given the free fight, right?
Like we saw KJ when he was able to get the Black Hole into that Windranger.
It was because FBZ kind of just threw out his raw very early on.
Like here, you see the net worth that Reconyx has to kind of trajectory the game should be going on.
And in Reconyx's mind, it should always be,
Beastmaster holds raw for Enigma, keep playing the limits, keep pushing.
Kind of doesn't reflect how far you can take your line up.
But you should never overplay your hand, offer yourself up to Clink.
Waste critical spells to give an invitation for KJ to take the fight and, again, Reconyx.
There was never really a fight construct for them.
It was just kind of through spells, see what happens, and Heroic again, they're positioning,
holding the high ground, constantly playing and whispering the hooks, eventually opened up for KJ
then to find his entry, but I feel like this is the type of fight that Heroic will not be having
against the better teams. That was very much like a Reconyx gift to Heroic.
I think when you look at the tail end of that, KJ getting a black hole like that feels illegal,
right? The way that Jekroy was running in on Windranger, you can easily see that this was a
defensive role with just this engage but at the very start of the clip when we see Hoodwink break
the smoke of Reconyx this is where I question and I ask you guys should they have just backed out
on the side of Reconyx once it breaks or is there some momentum to them continuing on that path that
they're going? No I think they absolutely go too deep like the Tiny and Jekiro there they're
positioning the way they're running in it's like so split half of them on the lower side of the hill
half of them on the upper side I think when I look at the situation it feels like a communication
issue to me to be honest. I don't think there's a clear idea or identity because we talked about
having a weak mid game and not being aligned and I think that shows there like they're just not
on the same page on what they want to do. The sports are running in, the cores are backing up
and I think some of that comes from it's an elimination game, it's your first time playing
internationally for a lot of these players. You get a little bit skittish sometimes and you play
a little, I mean for instance I think if this is a qualifier game I think they would have played
a lot better but I think the the pressure of it, moments like this I look at it I'm like it gets to
you're coming up against
heroic who we said it with
that draft, maybe a little bit
of or farming and some of the
unique picks coming out. But
Pudge is so notorious for
heroic. They're a team that
love to flex on so many
positions. This time around,
it goes back to back on
Whisper and my goodness, is he
a crazy, crazy punch player?
I mean, my bro, he destroyed
this game. Yeah, we've got
some of these hooks are kind
unreal. I'm gonna want people
to pay attention to him. This
first one, you know, is kind
of whatever, but later he has
But later he has to like what is this monster of a hook it will come soon where he like he chases someone and then he hooks like just some dude that's offscreen wait
Cut like this one now on the SF. He's gonna eat the Windranger
He's like yo brother come back here, and that's just alley youth and like back in and I will say that this like
Pudge is just a hero you need to feel it that you don't see it on that many players
That's what you need to play it a lot
You need to be a specialist unique like we also like kind of free and creative whisper
He is that type of player, so I like seeing this performance where it's not just, you know, the Thailand show where
Game is over, we talk about the bro dropping like, you know, 18 kills on his opponents
It's also like his other bros, you know, stepping up doing the right stuff
So Whisper, he played damn well in this game
But you can see that the way that Thailand was playing on Xenba, he was basically saying, hey Whisper or Yuma, you are gonna shine this game, right?
Because like he was like buying the early aim, just doing this random stuff, like that type of mid lane, you need Yuma or Whisper to go to do it
So Whisper again, reminding us why he is the best offlaner in South America, right?
It's like you have these little moments again early game
Kind of awkward for her right, but once you hit your stride there was multiple hopes
I think whisper was just the MVP for her work being able to constantly punish, you know
Reconyx in this game. I mean you and whisper because you guys are bros
You got a bit of history together back on the OG days. He was off lane. He moves to mid
He comes back to off lane
Do you think about something that affects him as a player per se?
Like he kind of needed to have this rough group stage in the off lane and you're like, okay
He's reached critical mass back in flow state again.
I mean, Whisper is definitely the type of player.
He's very quiet, and he lets things happen
until they kind of explode.
There's a chance that this happened over the last couple
of days for now.
He's like, I don't want to play like this.
I'm not going to let you ruin my lane or do this or in the mid.
I'm not going to let you do that.
I'm going to play the heroes I want.
I'm going to step it up.
I'm going to be more confident.
And that might just be the result of why he's playing better
today.
I mean, I think he is the kind of player
that he should do what he wants.
And he should just be given the heroes that he wants.
because he's not like some ultra cerebral economy player.
He's not like a 30-thie or whatever
where he's gonna play for gold.
He's a field player.
You see him in pubs, right?
Playing against him mid
and his laning is incredibly good
or his spell casting is incredibly clutched
in certain moments.
That's his play style.
And you should let him play into that
because it is the way he works as a player
and you should enable that.
Don't try to turn him into something he's not.
Let him be the crazy high skill,
like weird hero player because that's him
and he's good at that.
Just don't let him play mid again.
That's not what I'm talking about.
I think that is just one of those things.
It's more than just to him when he changes roles.
I have to adapt whether it's team coaches, all of that.
But either way, there's no more criticizing heroic on this stream because they get the win for themselves.
They are coming up against Tundra. That's not going to be today, right?
They get to have their break, do all of their prep on the side of Tundra.
They know that they're going to be coming up against heroic, but our first team now eliminated Reconyx.
For Connix, they had that safety net of the group stage, best of one, but not anymore.
It has been an absolute pleasure to have them in Blast Lamp 6, but we've got to keep the
train going here.
We have a whole nother elimination series coming up just after this break.
It's Game of Legion and Maus.
Every player carries two sides within them, the calm and the chaos, the fire and the balance.
But today we're going to find out what really drives them as we find out through our questioning
if we can make them come to our side.
they gonna confront us.
They truly are.
Today, it's judgment day for Christalus.
Christalus, I think that you're a guy
who leads his team with your intensity, your ferocity.
You bring up the energy in the room
and that's what makes you a good leader, all right?
Most definitely, yes.
Really, I think you lead your team by calm.
A calm leader?
No, Christalus is an insane guy.
He brings up the room, am I right?
I mean, I think I am definitely really unhinged,
so I would agree with the devil.
What do you do to hype these boys up in your games?
Just every single day, I'll cause a new scene.
I'll throw a fit on anything that I can find all the time.
I hate every single one of my teammates.
Oh, they're awful.
You strike me as a guy that cares mostly about the results.
It doesn't matter if people like you.
It doesn't matter if people hate you.
What matters is that long liquid-pedia page, baby.
I think you care about how people see you.
I care only about money.
That's like the only thing that matters.
If I make money, then I don't care.
Good, good, that's a great answer.
You're trying to make people look at you and say,
you're a devil.
You're trying to put the image into your brain.
Do you want people to think that you're a nice guy,
or do you not really care?
I think that is an uphill battle
that is not worth fighting.
To me, it seemed like a guy who bottles up his emotions, which is good.
Toxic masculinity is a great thing.
I think you manage your emotions very well, under stress, under pressure, even though they're a little bit uneven.
I would say you do have to be careful of when you blow up, so that is true.
I do manage it.
I make sure that my attacks are targeted and mean.
To me, it seemed like a guy who improvises.
It doesn't really matter who you're facing.
You know you'll be able to handle it on the plot.
I think you're that kind of player that you prepare carefully, thoroughly for competition.
Actually, I leave it all to my coach. If he's not prepared, I'm not prepared. If he's prepared, then I'm indirectly prepared for him.
To me, it feels like your confidence comes from your ego, and that's not a bad thing. You know you're going to be prepared for any situation.
You know deep in your heart, no matter what happens, you are good enough to handle it. That's ego, baby.
Your confidence come from hyperpension. Even though there's love.
I feel like Slex's answer is cheating. I feel like Ego is always going to be the base of confidence.
Hell yeah.
up
Thanks
Chains into a five year
This is the best possible chance
Vicki's gonna get to take these heroes down the crystals this two damn strong kill for the space slug
I'm good old a save coming in from the ringmaster shield rude keeps him alive
And he just got stand his ground here comes the brew master is he's blinks aggressively takes time to throw his class
It's a title's been caught up
Boss not the way of the last time he's far too late. Tiles already dead. No buyback on your sniper
Which one of the bosses gonna step out? It's R.C.Y. with a huge box extra end of big.
Second BKB after a timbersaw. Now caught in the black ball as well.
YamSan will finish the job too dead.
to try and turn it around and he's got full heal from this baby goes and gets the black hole
can you see
Game religion and a mouse our second elimination series for today our last trans qualifiers plan for two of these bottom four teams
and uh mouse the positive expectations once again am i right guys yeah they're doing great
it's all sunshine it's all sunshine look i can't be too harsh it's one of these things best of one
some teams thrive in them other teams not so much i do really think that mouse is one of those teams
that really does struggle in best of ones it's not like we've seen them thrive in past lands
before and this is an anomaly yeah but they haven't done this badly sure there is definitely a
I agree, I think they are a better BASA3 team. I think Immortal Faith is a
strategist and he likes the games to sort of alter what he's picking and not
picking, but I do think this is worse than usual.
Coming into the tournament, I think based on the seeding, all the
teams have to vote and pick who's going to be the top seed. mouse forward is
voted as the best team coming into the tournament by the other teams.
So to come into that, then being kind of the elimination games, it is just
testament to how I'd argue Dota is in a pretty good spot. I think even just at
this Slam alone coming to New Year. We are getting OG Navi going to a semi-final. We're not talking
about Falcons and Tundra for the billionth time. I think we do have just a nice mix of teams.
How many times do we have like the tied position for a limit like the bottom four top two? Like
it's just a really competitive tournament. I was a bit surprised when we were told that
most teams rank. Miles was like the first rank. Yes. When did you guys get told this by the way?
Like a few days ago. I think I missed the memo. I think I missed the memo. He's got the source.
Yeah, sorry. Yeah, no. Yeah, he's got the salt. I think they got the info. Did you have this info?
No. I think I got it from now. Let me look. If I got it from here, I can't tell.
I think I just downed this. I struggled.
How many of the 12 teams ranked Maus in the top three?
It's just an overall average score.
That wasn't that hard to understand, Quinn.
I think about that just like hit me in a way.
No, it was like eight or nine teams, I think, because there was like a score or something.
All right. Do you want me to list the bottom four teams?
Are we allowed to?
Yeah, let's do it. Yeah sure the teams voted on the bottom four teams all right all 12 teams as a conglomerate they vote
Yeah, this is the overall but and that's how you get like the ticket. Yeah, okay
So in last place based on the teams not us not the cast is the teams
Reconyx then game a legion then heroic then no
Oh
Being attention we literally started the segment with mouse. Yes, I understand that but I don't remember the number
Do you want to come from me?
They would face they would watch yeah when I'm us. All right. Yeah, and liquid was second
So
I'm not pretty good at this.
Either way, second one doesn't do something else.
Yeah, second one.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
It's new information for me, and I'm sure new information for all the viewers at home,
ones in chats, if you've never heard of these stats before.
Okay.
Let's focus up about why Maaz maybe has not reached those expectations of first seed,
though.
I mean, I think personally they have not enough structure in their first phases.
I think that's something that characterizes this team is they pick the same stuff over
and over and over again.
And I look at their tournament so far,
they have eight different first picks out of 11 games.
They've tried a whole bunch of stuff.
Most of it has not worked.
They've been picking a lot of Brewmaster,
which is a hero that's been losing a lot.
And they also played a first pick off-scar.
They've played five.
That's a-
OK, good.
I'm glad you know what I was pointing at.
Yeah, no, she's pointing at the screen.
I know exactly what she's talking about.
The cap.
I think Immortal Fate teams, they need the structure.
That's what they're built upon.
And for whatever reason, they don't have that right now.
And so they think they need to find their footing,
especially in the draft going into this series.
Once you've played 130-odd games competitive, most of any other team, and you've won a tournament last year, coming into multiple second-third places,
I feel like you're going to get exposed. And then there's a new patch. This type of team, I feel like they thrive when a patch has been developed and they can go,
this is our corner of the patch. When you have to invent yourself, that's a problem, and you can see here from the stats, right?
When we're looking at net worth around the 18-minute marks, why 18 minutes? Again, that's on the Roshan kind of timer soon to be Tormentor.
just net worth wise on the three cores, they are just less than, you know, in
since slam fall. They are just struggling in this tournament because not only are
they picking all these different heroes, their cores aren't finding the similar
farm, and like, you know, look at mid one for example, you know, having thought
seven, eight hundred gold difference at the 18-minute mark, that's pretty massive.
That's potentially talking about a whole other item or a component towards an
item, you know, opening up the game. Maybe he's just finding himself right now.
He's meditating. They are a team who 100% is lost, but once they just
find like three heroes they'll just be back up there again like because they are so formula based
they just need to find the formula and then they can just copy paste it basically.
Well look I want to talk about that a little bit more but we're going to have plenty of time in
the best of three and we were seeing them just on camera for a brief moment there. Gamer Legion I
think it's only fair to talk about them because they're coming into this last chance qualifiers
best of three above mouse so they're actually the highest seed here they got five wins for
themselves six losses and that was against heroic falcons were clinics
yandex and mass themselves when they went against you told her their best of
one. Yeah, I think it's genuinely really impressive. And I think while this team
has improved a lot, I think they have someone of a crush right now, which is
the spear heroes. I think RCY has been has looked great and maybe the best
player on the team. But if you look at their games, they have spirits in most
of their games and they have not won a game without a spirit on their team.
Wow. If I'm a team playing these guys, I'm looking at that and I'm noticing
that, hey, they're only winning on specific heroes, and you can draft against that, like
Maus is a team that prioritizes tankiness, they like pipe, they like beefy heroes and
walls of stuff.
I think spirits, low damage, this can be exploited.
Yeah, for sure.
I think like Underlords or Huskers, you know, any of these type of heroes, and to go with
what you showed, like, RCY, he doesn't really look the same on other heroes as compared
to the spirits, obviously, because you did show it.
I even, like, I played with him like two weeks ago, he had the worst Husker game and
the worst Husker pick ever.
So unless he was picking it just to practice, it made zero sense to play it in that game.
So I hope it was to be able to win on a hero that's not a spirit.
Well brag about it, Kazzler.
I know all of us get to be in problems with CY, but you're not.
Hey, both do.
You're going to be...
I didn't know all of us.
I didn't realize that those two people accounted for 8.1.
It's like three...
Okay, back to you now.
Back to the draft.
the draft.
and the game a legion maybe one half of this matchup was expected to be in the
last chance qualifiers but definitely not the order in which they're coming into
it here and for our game one draft we do know that game a legion are gonna have
opening pick which means a couple more bands on the side of mouths will go to
the way of Chen, Trant Protector, Viper and Batrider pretty stock standard I
would say in this patch right now with game a legion taking out Razor, Khosgar
and Pugna.
Yeah, that's the one that stands out, I think, with what T showed us.
I do think that their cores are struggling collectively, especially when it comes to the laning.
Maus have had pretty good success with the green soccer man, the Pugna on Celery.
He's been owning, I'm not gonna lie.
Like, he carries the lanes and he goes to mid one in the mid lane.
He saves everyone in the mid game, so I'm pretty happy that they banned that hero.
I will say maybe they could have considered leaving it in if their idea was to first pick SD,
but you know, just putting some respect on a name.
my name.
Now, if I have the drafts at the moment, I would say for game illusions, whenever I
see them at the tournament, I think the praise that you can give them is they always have
like the overprep coming into a series.
I think their weakness is like adjusting throughout a best of three, adjusting against
some of the other coaches and captains that can like make things feel more dynamic.
But whenever I look at like the first game of a series for them, I'm like, okay, this
is like the best prep that you've done.
Show me what you've got.
This Ember hero is so funny.
It always does.
Eventually the patch gets to a point where Ember becomes a first phase pick and every game you're calling the enemy's bluff of how hard are you going to counter this hero in lane.
Because he's so good at coming back and Ember from an even position is just a ridiculously powerful hero, the things he offers.
So I wonder for Gamer Legion, are you going to go, you know, they tried it before, they picked Monkey King against the Ember and they lost.
There's things like Monkey, there's Necrophos, there's some more outlandish picks that are historically good against this hero, but maybe aren't in meta.
I wonder what game of Legion is going to approach this with.
I just don't want to tell mid when the draft is happening.
No, I think it's viving.
This is what he wants.
You want him to wake up and go, I'm playing Ember?
Guys, I said I want him to last.
That's in the contract.
What's happening?
The thing though for mouse is the Ember pick for me is different than let's say the heroic
pick because you already see Shadow Demon, you know what type of map to play he has.
So pick in the Ember.
If there is a lane counter, depending on the double support of mouse, that you can already
start playing into the rotation advantage of your support to support matchup, like there's
ways to deal with the counters that Quinn is mentioning just because of a single Shadow
Demon tell.
No, I also think like it, the thing is Ember is good against the other spirits.
It's good against Storm, Void Spirit and Earth Spirit, which means that if you first pick
Ember, now that all three of the other spirits are already bad against that hero, so you're
looking at other heroes and we already know what happens when they play other heroes.
Is it bad bad or is there some essence of a skill matchup if you were to still get his
hands on the storm storm is the most even of the matchups her spirit and
voice period are just straight terrible against the ember storm is not good
against ember but it is playable I mean what would you think if he looks for
like other heroes obviously you know he's had the most success on life
spirits but are there other heroes that are more similar but they do well against
ember like in the mid lane like like how is Slardar nowadays against ember it's
true I think I think Slardar is not a bad option I think I think yeah I agree I
I think this middle ground that is good or even against Ember in lane and is not so difficult to execute in the game like the Dragon at Slaughter is this genre of hero compared to the Monkey King which is like the full committal execution but also very good in lane.
I think that's too much. I think Gamer League can not execute that so they want something more middle ground than that with the Storm.
I knew there was still going to be that respect towards it. I was like still mad at anyone I feel you can question Mark. Maybe not so much the Void of the Earth.
We've now been doing so well and us showing Grimstroke earlier.
Do you think any team's gonna like start trying to add it to the mix?
Again, Yammich normally the Tusk, the Pudgies and whatnot, but...
I am expecting that potential Grimstroke to come in.
So you're full belief T, that Grim is in a spot where he need,
like he can be up there in like the top four to five supports
and it isn't so much you're picking it for a counter pick.
If you have at least one hero to fill out that you can play on, then I would argue yes.
Like with the brew masters in the offlane, the tide, the centaurs, they kind of just need someone with them.
Grimstroke can do that, and then you transition into the game.
But with the jacquero, being the 5 position, again I'm talking about 4 position Grimstroke.
Really just saying 5 position in the army.
Either way, I just think the hero should be picked more.
I mean, I definitely think that it can be picked to me.
It's a bit of the hero that you remind the people that already play it that the hero is good.
You're not going to make people who aren't already playing it play it because you do need a while to like pick it up and there's a certain feel to the hero for sure.
Hasn't there been that change? Is it a faster choice where he's like the stroke curves and it's different now?
You just take things to get every time.
Yeah, but that is a different facet and it's like it don't change.
No, I mean the curving your Q is built in now. You don't need to take a facet for it anymore.
So it used to be a facet and now it's built in.
Exactly, it's built in.
As fast as you get two strokes.
It's like some double trouble.
You get the double strokes in the fight.
Yeah.
As you can tell, not really Grimstriple, though.
One stroke's enough.
What about Warlock?
Warlock.
I mean, I think it's a classic speed hero.
No, I meant how many strokes does he need?
Oh, I mean, I don't mess with Warlock in that way.
He's about four to five, right, for the Grimoire.
And then you pop that at seven.
He gets a couple of strokes.
And then you get the golem alive and you get the golem off.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's get the no guys.
Yeah, you're just updating yourself.
Yeah, ability doesn't need to know anyway.
No, I don't know how many times Warlock strokes.
Sorry.
It's a nice stable pause five.
What are your favourites, right, T?
Yeah, no, it helped me get to 13k.
Bless up, love the Warlock, much love.
Um, but we're good.
Flex?
Quite alright.
Am I right, cousin?
Am I right?
Yeah, we're good.
Am I right, Chad?
Sorry.
Sorry for being proud about myself.
You should be.
No, that's good.
You should be proud.
I'm gonna pipe down.
Yeah, Prad, not sorry. I realised how broke they came off.
No, but that aside, Warlock, of course, is a very just generic five.
It deals with chip damage really nicely with the hill.
We are seeing some Warlocks look to maybe even take up evil in certain games,
but that aside, you are just maxing your hill.
When Ember J'Kyra are kind of poking you early on, put Warlock there,
you're not going to care anymore, you can pretty much deal with it.
But for Gameligion, you don't have two supports that don't really play into the map.
They need that first wisdom shrine.
The Warlock needs that Grimoire charge for seven minutes.
If you don't get Wisdom Shrine, if you don't have Grimoire Charges,
Estee Wolok are basically just watching the game develop.
They don't get to dictate anything. They are very lane-focused supports.
What is this skill build for Wolok and lanes so you don't end up like greasing your carry
by fatal bunzing the whole wave by accident?
I mean, so lane is very difficult.
I'll think we're friends.
If the lane is difficult, then you go bunzing each other.
If it's easy lane, then you just max the hill and just put it on your carry.
Taking notes from my friend.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, my friend worries.
I mean, he talked about the prep that Gamer Legion have coming into this and I think it shows not just in like the first phase bands, but also like now, I like the centaur band a lot, like if I was mouse I would have loved this hero here, against like this double support but that's taken out.
I will say that mouse, I like this Windranger because it could flex, I mean they're not showing us yet if it's like a support or to carry, I mean Yamage traditionally plays like the melee guys, but you know having the follow up damage into the Ember you're pretty chill.
And now the only thing that's annoying you is the purge.
Yeah, I think it's not like these next picks will determine a lot about who's favored here.
I think right now it's somewhat ambiguous.
I do think the Shadowfiend vs Ember is always an interesting matchup to look at because
while Shadowfiend is very good in the early game, Shadowfiend is a much higher execution
hero than Ember.
So Ember's got, Ember's a lot easier, but it is bad in theory against Shadowfiend.
So if the Shadowfiend is locked in, then he's got a great game to look at.
I guess with this, it's probably women's or carry, tiny four, and then last but not the last lane.
So, Shadowfiend, you'd have to watch out a little bit for these supports. They're pretty good at ganking mid,
so it's one of those games where you win the lane against Ember, but then you need to play it more chill again and farm up items.
Like, you're not gonna snowball the game like crazy, and I think for RSC, why it's important, you understand that, and it doesn't try to win too quickly.
You win the lane, you go for the bandage.
I was like, what the hell happened?
And that definitely got to me holding you down.
There's like some guy watching with his seventh monitor and he just shit himself.
Some guy who was sleeping woke up from his sleeping.
It was so loud it woke up hit him on his own story.
That's how it gets you down.
That's how it gets you down.
That's how it gets you down.
That's how it gets you down.
is all he's story
that's how it gets you to handle these people
that's when I'm really asleep
he's in the room next door
yeah of course
underlord pick
giga hero
the hero of slam the
to quote Quinn was the easiest hero to play
you just have to afk farms
two sidecamps you buy every item you want
exactly pretty much
he did say that
Yeah
You just go farm and then you rift in you're there you're at every fight rift it up
Rift it up and you buy the two best items in the game crimson pipe and you're a pretty good laner
I mean it is super good in this game
Like a lot of these heroes are on like the lower damage side or they need time to like build it up same with windranger
Like until you have like two three items or these auras have faded you're not really dealing
Too much damage. I will say that the game or Legion draft how it is right now
It's good, but it doesn't play itself dead easily like SF with these two supports
You have a gate like they're not really setting up each other
But the the counterpoint to that is if anything if they play calm and they're not trying to make moves
They're not wasting smokes. You are always inviting math to take a fight into
The golem or a disrupt save a requiem from the tree line the fiends gate with a double aura that could mention like it game
A legion it's not an aggressive lineup. It's a
Really hyper defensive shove wave exist once you get your items
That's when you'll start exploring the map and doing more things and of course
I think there's an emphasis on
RC wise pick if it is to be a tarry shadow fiend
He will be the playmaker to at least create some moments in the early game
But I am just looking at a really scary kind of like defensively objective lineup from them. I
Mean, I think it's also okay for them to take like
Something that more simplifies things like they can pick a slaughter here like as I mentioned earlier put shadow fiend carry
But I think in general they want a melee hero here
They want something that's that's somewhat stardee because you do have to to backline supports under lor is not at the start of any
Fiery he riffs in after it started and you've got a shadow so you need something to glues it together
And if you get that then I think game legion has a very a very nice lineup that if you just farm and you vibe it out
Then I think you're a better against mouse's heroes like I think you would rather play
I would like Sven for them like if you do want to put the SF mid
I think the only thing you don't like about this hero and this game is wind ranger
But like your SD support can cover this matchup. Yes, because you can always purge
Ha ha ha!
Eee, Mr. Kes!
Gampson played that. Interesting.
It is great with Warlock, that lane is super, like, I don't know, there's nothing beats this lane.
Literally nothing.
So, Maus is wave-filling, and they might be the pick Timbersaw, I guess.
Are you guys not-
It's hard Timber game also, I feel like.
Are these like the Ups and Slok ban to protect the Kes ban?
Or is this just a different read on what Maus is doing?
I mean, it's two heroes to protect one underlod, because Haman Lane is kind of a static blob,
Estee as well is kind of awkward, and then you could argue they both have
a dispel against Kes. Any dispel makes them, so maybe it's a double-pronged band, but what did
they think about the role here? Yeah, that's what I mean! Is it like, you really focused so much on
protection that it's tiny offline? Somehow they were right. Okay, this must be a scrim thing.
That's sad, yeah. This had to have been a scrim read that they played tiny offline,
because nobody really plays this. If I'm being honest, I also think it's very bad.
It's not terrible against Kez Warlock in lane.
You're playing, you're committing to playing the lane against an incredibly powerful lane.
Tiny is zero armor against Kez, he's going to hit the crap out of you.
You've got Underlord in the game who's like one of the best heroes in the game against Core Tiny.
To me, I don't think this is good enough more at the game.
To justify this, I think game religion mega outdrafted it.
Mouse is all about skirmish and fight and pacing and for game religion,
it's like, I love that draft, if they just remain calm.
If they get to play on their timings, they have all the tools.
You asked about Jampson, is he a Kez player?
He only has two competitive games under his belt, one for one.
He played both of them in a Dream League.
He beat Heroic where he went 14, 3 and 16,
and then he lost the Liquid during 4-2 and 8.
So again, two games, not the biggest Kez player,
but there is something there.
Yeah, I will say, while to me this does look like a really good Underworld game,
and kind of the same with Kez,
I can see Maus's idea of thinking that Windranger can't really carry this game,
so you take the L to swap it around.
I can see Murata do pretty well at least.
I think the carry-to-carry matchup is kind of chill.
I think some of the other stuff is a bit more the problem.
But what you can abuse from Game of Legion,
I think they're like minute 2 to 10, it's like really sluggish,
like how the heroes move around the map.
Sure, your Ember doesn't do well mid,
but what if you bring one or two heroes there?
Like Warlock can pop over and like pop a heal,
or you have Estee who goes with a disruption.
But I don't think these heroes enjoy that that much.
So I could see Maus like abuse the early phase of the game quite well.
And off lane Tiny, are we thinking like just normal blink dagger,
You're going to like phylactery, just trying to keep playing Crash Landing, is there any
other build that you've seen?
Like for me, my offlane tinnies, I only see phylactery blink and everything else is kind
of a, you probably lost the game by then.
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't think this hero builds auras, like you are throwing your game in the toilet straight.
Yeah.
So then it's just octorine, you're kind of like playing from mid lane build, but from
the offlane.
I guess so.
I've not seen offlane tiny in eternity.
Yeah, I think it's something along those lines, there's no way you can buy auras, it
sounds absurd.
I think you're just playing you're playing selfish Blinky Boy, and I agree
I think if game of lesion they're able to play it like a more chill base than they're they're vibing
But the onus is definitely on mouse to speak things up
Well a game of lesion they're coming in as the highest seed and potentially even
Saviour it's especially after seeing this draft pan out the way it is
It's a best of three so there's still plenty of movement for what could happen
But one of them is facing elimination at the end of the day, so let's start it off with game number one
the game. That's right.
Enough with the best ones.
Let's eliminate another team
here. Last chance playoff here
at Blast lamb six gamer
lesion are coming in here.
Rare to say this, but they're
coming into it. The favorite
You don't believe they're the favorites this way. I said so I said so. Yeah, okay
Yeah, I'm looking at this European panel. It doesn't believe in RNA boys. I'm an eight through and through baby
I'm back in game really. I don't care bias cast. You know what I'm saying. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm
You know, I'll say this everybody always complains. There's not enough region integrity
You know what like all these other regions outside of Europe. They just can't compete Europe dominates the game
All the best teams are here. Then you got it in any team. They get some waves and everyone's like, oh, they suck
They should just bow out. Why are you even Rudy Brennan? You know, you can't have a full place Austin. You can't have a full place
Well, it's it's not they want the reason integrity. They just don't want an A you guys. Oh
Well, that's very yeah, you're just backing the wrong region. That's all alright. Well, what can you do?
I will say I do think they have like better in this event
I think Maus has been very shaky, but I do think Maus, they want to land.
Recently, they're a very experienced team.
If they can get back into shape, they can be a big threat to any of these teams.
So, I'm not sure game religions that favor it on paper here.
Yeah, it's definitely one of those situations where Maus and their current form
are seemingly not better, but if they get into form, they seem to have a much higher ceiling.
So, for sure, I also say with regards to this draft, I kind of agree that the the scale and like ease of execution
For game religion seems nice here. I think if all their heroes are mega farmed, it's pretty hard to lose this game
Like underlord will just make the fights
Damned near impossible and off lane tiny is a big question mark, but I do think mouths have a lot more connectivity and
Like lower cooldowns ways to just set up easy kills this ember
should have a fairly free game around the map. I mean he's not playing into any real stuns.
Like there's pit, there's demonic purge, and golden. It's kind of it. Maybe you get kez silence or
something, but sure. There's nothing really to stop mid one just like getting power runs
right around the map. Unless the RCY just absolutely dunks on him in this one-on-one,
which is theoretically possible for the SF. But again, you know, one of the chances of him
annihilating mid one so hard he can't even play the game. I feel like that's pretty low, so I
I kind of so fate this ember might just pop off and I don't like this all plain tiny
I would have used that much.
What do you make of offline tiny to begin with like why why do you think because the panel
seemed a little befuddled they weren't sure why exactly uh mouse opted to do this.
We're trying to like hold this flex in the draft and get some later like gotcha pick
I don't think more does that though. I do think more that can go pretty hard here. I think often tiny
Some players are huge on this it's a 100 or zero thing like I remember there's a period where
Nigma were playing this often tiny a lot
They're really big on it, but you have to have faith in the the constant the image goes down to them take damage
Holy bolley after a while and boomer took a lot of damage there as well. So
Off-lane not going great for mouse as is again kind of expected with a hero that has no armor
Against two heroes that are gonna do a lot of right-clicking. I mean you have the katharite katana very early on
Let's make sure physical damage, but also warlock is just good at just hitting people over and over again
I don't really like how Yamich played this lane. He kind of traded with the warlock in a one-on-one
But he didn't pull the wave, he didn't block the camp, ultimately, like, the speed got a stacked small camp here as a warlock. That is the dream.
Man, then you ended up dying. So I don't know what Yamich really accomplished here in the first few minutes. Not much.
And I think you can definitely just pull or block or do something here. The lane would have been better.
Well, you want to know why he got into that situation.
because Yammich is playing a range four position. He's used to just playing melee
Goober's and you know running around and pulling waves and stuff. He's not used
to just you know honest straight up ranged on range battle. Well I'll tell you
the way he's playing this Laney's act is if he's a melee hero. I'll tell you that much.
He's been getting double bonds in the true day of the camp. So gonna get very low here. See if they can get the kill on celery before
fade goes down it's gonna be close call but it is a fade that falls first now
big num an opportunity nope he misses that shadow poison that kind of ruins
everything is chrysalis would kill him push comes to shove so back away popping
him himself on both sides not a bad trade for vows have to get some more
resources in this lane but shutting down the side a little bit is gonna be nice
as the other two lanes are not going too well for you right now the ever is
getting beat mid. R.C.Y. bringing the heat. Ten denies. Not a bad start for him.
And mid ones, uh, every single time I look over here, mid ones struggling when it comes to just, even just CS that he should get.
It's a tough lane. The thing is when you first pick Ember, your lane's gonna be tough no matter what.
Just the degree to which it's gonna be tough. You know, are you, it's like Quinn put it, are you gonna get ultra
Ultra counterpicked with some Necro or you need a pseudo counterpick, but it's gonna be a counterpick
I mean this hero has an insane amount of matchups that beat him in lane
So it's just what can you do in the game except you're gonna lose it make some place elsewhere
Maybe get some stacks up there are stacks being built in this radiant triangle right now someone will go in there and clear it
Have a nice day, but as tiny continues to suffer the most out anybody
He's going to take the stacks man both off lane and mid lane need it and either one of
them is capable of doing it.
Hello anyway.
The Aztec is already hit you now.
That was very close.
Maybe you should go get him here if you're about to honestly again just play through
the Ember spirit.
He's the hero that can set up the most for your supports here in the early game and
you have a nice you have some nice combo with slight chains into power shot macro later
on even so the early jikiro spells can outreach gamer legion in some of the
early portion here this is a disgusting cs lead the gamer legion has built up at
this point and here comes the tiny for your suggestion mal is going to go for
perhaps one of the earliest five man's I've ever seen from them I'm saying stuff
in illusion room gonna be grabbed by RCY great pickup they feel like they can't
actually challenge him as a result of that they will get the toss back on speed and that will be the kill they net out of that
Requiem is gonna go out. Yammage got off the windrun, but will not be able to outrun the shadow rays that ultimately kills him a
trade-off one-for-one
Considering the numbers that mouse brought to the mid lane that can't feel good
Not at all especially when there are two side lane is for
game religion getting
total free-form at XP here
And again, I think their lineup skills better, so they're pretty comfortable in this kind
of position.
The moves to make here are all on mouse in this early game.
Very defensive lineup from Game Religion 2.
They have a lot of turn-off potential.
Both their supports are some soft slash hard save with Zeal, Golan plus disruption bailout.
They have the Underlord who can gate in to turn something around.
It's very hard to go and dive this lineup aggressively, which does beg the question
if your mouse and the onus is on you to get aggressive, but you're playing into a line
up that can react really well, you really do not want to fall behind because then there's
just not going to be any available moves on the map.
The understacks are in store.
Nasty.
Nasty, nasty stuff.
I was looking for something just playing a 1v2 and kicking boom out of lane.
I'm struggling to find anything good going here for mouths. Maybe it's the fact that chrysalis is
untouched in farm. Yeah, the morth is doing great.
Party has javelin up, getting some solo XP of her own. So that's the silver lining here.
They got the wisdom shrine too, so, yeah, I guess.
8-min power rune, RCY is gonna give this up again.
Too many rotations, actually spawns bottom where Big Num was in place.
Now he's gonna get punished for it, there's a remnant who's sitting on top of that rune,
but not killed.
Takes a lot of damage.
They couldn't quite finish the job.
As long as you're taking these ruins away from the Ember, that's kind of the biggest deal here.
Because the SF will just keep farming the wave.
The Ember doesn't get the power when he can't make some move.
Has to go to base, in fact, so middle one losing more time in this early game.
SF is just farming up and it's a mechanism, Shadowfiend, going to Grease build, but...
Man, it's been some time since I've seen mech SF.
I love the air speed gets caught pinched in the river
Who knew that eight years ago Fado was just ahead of the better really was why why are we using the return to
core Mac
Articulate is creases. It's all about creases creases cheaper. It's a better build up for the individual Euro
It's like it's a very cheap effective efficient dispel plus region item
So you're getting a farming tool plus some sustain on the map plus a built-in dispel
I'm honestly still about a big fan of it and how it plays out, but I'm not gonna argue that it isn't a efficient item to get
Nice math I see why disruption dodges the power shot certainly helps quite a bit
Combined with the mech
There's no way the mouse can really kill him, right?
They try again
Man, still hasn't popped the mech
Or the 18 magic wand charges
Mouse just trying really hard to press your mid
And gamer legions seem entirely unfazed by it
They say, okay, you can keep trying
If you push too hard, we're gonna punish you
But otherwise, hang out
Enjoy yourself in the mid-plane
Remember, they still have gate to join the step
Golem available
you're not going to be able to
get to aggressive here. His
mouse. It's not going to jump
after RCY. Here comes back
gate ice path out RCY still has
20 magic wand charges. He's
totally fine. Yamson tp'd in
okay. Game religion. Maybe they
weren't as laid back as, uh, I
opposed them to be. That was a
heavy rotation from them at the
first sign of aggression from
mouse. We're unable to catch
anything, though, and that is
Gotta bait that a little bit more there.
It's very close to being successful bait for them, but now it's played pretty well.
Pokey not over extending.
Get something.
Out of game religion here, well, the Tiny recovers some of that farm on top lane.
Maybe with fate going 204, which, you know, is the right build.
He needs to farm it, everything, but he just, he needs more levels to have pit.
Without pit, you know, they're already lacking in disables.
the
other
sneakies up after I see why again. Boom.
Goes to the Tossback. Disruption stops the Tossback. Boom.
Going to cover it with an Avalanche here.
Do what damage they can, but fate now comes in.
Level 1 pit, holding it. Boom. Long enough for the raise.
Do you hate double?
I feel this is the
style of game it's going to be. Malzki
continuously trying to make aggressive moves
with their early scourge lineup into a draft
that welcomes
the aggressive game. Please go on my heroes under towers. We will, we will gladly counteract that play every day of the week.
And otherwise, we're just gonna keep stacking out farming you. There's a lot of pressure on Mouses game.
Do you think it would be maybe more effective if Mouses just a little bit more coy about it?
I mean, they're just heavily telegraphing. We're going mid. We're gonna go on you mid, right?
like should they try and attack the the kes lane instead of the sf lane do something different
so generally in these types of games where you play as a very defensive lineup and you feel like
you don't have available moves because they have the reaction possibility you're supposed to force
something you can get the reaction out of them and then make the play elsewhere okay like the
first play is not supposed to be successful you know the first place you poke them you get like
like that golem drop mid or gate mid,
you get some spells on cooldown
and then you go attack somewhere else.
And then they cannot respond.
Or you get TP's out of them.
Like you play the first go to get TP resources
so they can't react to the actual go on the other lane.
But you can't just play this game
where you try and make a move and you commit
and they counter it and then you chill for a minute
and then you make another move and they counter it.
And you get stuck in that cycle.
Here is game religion taking the smoke to mouse.
X, you know playing multiple heroes with the requiem in from behind completely routing mouths. They will get out with the ember spirits
They is the only survivor of that engagement. I think Bowser lost in this game. I
They're not playing the tempo properly. They're not taking advantage of the force reaction speed
Just gonna drop gold to hit this tower can't blame them like you're veiling you're feeling very comfortable in this one
And now you just go top you just start hitting a tower
like that is not the kind of play you can make against this lineup so until
Christalus is ready to join the fray you have to be very disciplined in this
early game tower gets taken by the golem did his job man boom is trying to get
the the bounty on that golem avalanche up two seconds is it gonna be enough
damage the heal has gone off you more hits you can't kill again you can't kill
the golem it was like what are you doing man just kill the warlock can't kill
that that is a free kill so all right they got the golem in the end the three
man gang on to the golem it works out for miles you have a mid one took it so
boom got nothing out of that entire waste of time for him feels bad
Well Kez has battle fury pretty nice timing here 14 minute battle fury treads
Good timing
I see why next up is gonna be the Kaia and Fade's actually gonna go for the Pipe.
I think it's a pretty good Ag's game considering the whole lack of control.
I think you'll get it at some point.
But you gotta get pipe curbs into this kind of game.
It's just too damn good.
Blow to serve is also pretty good.
Glimmer capes on their supports will also be pretty high value.
I mean, all these utilities are amazing for the lineup.
Smoke up mid one.
I mean, he has no vessel charges, man.
He needs something to go his way.
start building some tempo here or he's just gonna fall behind and if this play
doesn't work I don't know how many more smokes they have left like they had none
in their inventory right now they used a lot they used a lot early trying to wrap
on the SF mid those games were unsuccessful but they'll start bringing
Kristallis in this place and he's still mega farm the older already done he's
He does a wrap-time damage. He gets a free fight.
Monty Purge, good shackle shot, lands on Darcy, wind the back lines, mid one, has to jump down to low ground here.
It comes in, catches, boom, with the golem being dropped on top of it.
Now they are being funneled into the silence area. Not easy for Gamer Legion to keep chasing.
thing.
So now is the moment you can make the actual movie.
You know, that was the fake move.
Mm-hmm.
Now you make the real move.
OK.
Celery bought another smoke.
I have to imagine they are out of it.
Yeah, that's their last, for sure.
This is the move that has to work.
Do they have wards to plant?
They have one.
Boom, it's going to walk right into the fade.
Do that observer ward.
Got off the pipe, though.
It's gonna take a little while to kill him, especially if Jansen coming in, trying to disrupt things as much as possible.
Fates not gonna go down, man. He gives him the heal, but yeah, it's just trying to focus fire, and Fates just gonna run him down.
Oh, man. Mous is screwed in this one. Like, the only way they win this is Crystal is kind of 1v5'ing it.
I think he missed your window to get any momentum going off of December early and
and
Check the chill and believe in this last pick Martha is a trump card because
That's kind of the point of that big I think
And now you said game religion are gonna be happy with their scale
Which should have implies Mao's is unhappy
With the scaling of the game
What do you do in a situation like this where you realize you're gonna have to just play the game slower and let it go longer?
I had to take some time to farm because the current game centers just not working out for you
What do you do you gas like your your allies and tell them no don't worry guys. We're actually really strongly
I'll tell you that is what a lot of people do. Yeah
That's the old step code right like we're gonna win like him because we're just better like him
Yeah, that's only true if you actually played better
You know that that code is only a historical because they ended up playing better than I like him
But they lose that game that quote is stupid as hell
It doesn't mean anything, you know.
Anybody can be better at laking.
Yeah, if you're the better team, sure.
That is one way you can always win laking.
I also think just changing your mentality,
like Boom is thinking about Lotus Orb here or something,
but honestly, at this point,
it might be correct for him to just go Midas or something.
Nah, old Midas.
Alright, well, Jacob,
a support should be an easy grab.
Not so easy.
Between the pipe and the heals
heals and the glimmer capes and disruptions, it's celery to die.
Now to make them is why I suggest the bias, because I think
every move you make at this point is just going to build the
lead for gamer leech. Like you're playing into their hands. So
you need another game plan. It's either rat, split push out
efficiency them or scale into that late game and outplay them.
And I think if you have an off lane tiny going utility, you are
not going to win the late game. I mean, you can go like some ultimate octereen,
yule's, you know, double toss charge with really low cooldown avalanche type utility build that
is annoying late game. But I think at some point, Morta just dies in the fight. I also just don't
think it's Maus's identity as a team, right? It's not. Like they've had games that have gone late.
And they can win those. They more often lose them, but they can win those 45-50-minute games, but frankly, they're a team that
likes to close things out in under 35.
And they're still playing like that could be the case.
Celery, caught in the mid lane as they're pressuring that mid tier 2 tower.
Shackleshot holds them back, and the rest of the team is too slow to get here. After all, they were busy taking Tormentors, got a
Sharda for speed. It's just such a good underlord game
And this yearl's been dominated. Yeah
I wonder what is this one rating this event I can check over
He's 75% winner he's nine and three
So yeah, this yearl I feel like this yearl's been performing well for the last month across like the BC patch period
And I think now he's just a incredibly strong hero in the meta. We just don't see him as much as maybe we should because there's some
True to his name has just enough speed to get there to the wisdom shrine to stop it from being taken by Yanich Autumn
It's pretty far by the way
It's like almost ahead of this tiny the gold farming it's doing its work and already has that glimmer cave
I mentioned very good glimmer cave game
just not so much of that magical damage coming out from now is that they are very
magic focused because Mortha is you know a magical carry in essence
time for game religion to get aggressive perhaps they are missing the SF
Blinked they're very close to
So they do not have the best initiation tools here
Man, it's kind of funny that they're making this play without the blink dagger
Because I feel like there's no rush to make any any plays right now. They already took tormenter. It's not like Roche is really gonna be a
Play that needs to be made right now, but they get the kill anyway get the blink dagger
celery probably asking why me man yeah just some jacquero farming a wave for
solar chris brothers please
it's agg's done on the underlord linked on on the SF straight into the Roche
shawn pit this ages goes to RCY's gonna be an absolute monster
I could get a D. Amson too of course, but I kind of like it on the S up here.
It feels like if Maus are going to win a fight it's off of killing the shadow
fiend early.
But here goes the Amson. D. Amson who is currently working on a BKB after his
battle fury and manta still not as far as is chrysalis though yoner shadow blade at dragon
lance just unfortunate that he hasn't really managed to use this farm for almost anything
he's got one assist zero zero and one i think he's basically done a hero damage scheme so
just all been juggling is very high level though because of it started clearing ancients pretty
early had a lot of soul exp level 18 level 3 pierce the veil already online
I mean he's a beast if he gets over it and joins the fight I do think there's
always a chance you can win a fight in this game his mouse just off of the
worth the first damage if he can connect it that's the big that's the big
question with this year always can you connect the damage it's tough sometimes
I expect the game religion to start getting a bit more aggressive.
They can let the cast play alone and push waves.
They have their blink SF, so you have some playmaking now in this lineup and you have
that ag's pit to connect.
If you find anybody on the map, you just fiends gate, drop the pit on them, blink in with
the SF, should be a good go.
or now's really gonna go on this guy again under lord is not to be touched
on under lord spots boom low-disorbitance they're getting rid of the
pit and allowing the tiny to blink away
yeah I'm sure to take that game back well this is the game that Gabriel
and what it's slow methodical defensive in their control scaling up all right
chrysalis first time he's really getting involved he's trying before but
mounts just really haven't found the openings here though quick execution on
the big num as this seemed this mid tower seems to be a focal point for mouths
I mean ember spirit took the mid tier one tower pretty early we've seen the
Jukiro just hanging out in this area, chipping away at that mid-tier too, quite a bit.
It's a good point of attack. Their wards have been around this area a lot.
It's unlikely that game-religion are sitting heroes behind whoever's pushing out mid.
Oh, and a mid one. Silence!
Directly on the...
What a little combo play there from Jensen and RCY.
Meanwhile Midlane fades.
Pipe, the Glimmer Cape, helping him survive a little bit longer,
Crystals almost dies. In fact, if the Golem, the Golem,
the Golem is gonna die to the Golem.
Yeah, it's not worth it, man. No, not at all.
Just from the Blade Mail and the Chipped Vest reflection dude.
Just killing himself with all the extra hits going in.
I mean great great choice by fade third item blaze
Yeah
Not an item. I think
It's worth the once the item I saw at this point in the game
That's always gonna be a tough target to go on it's gonna take forever
It's gonna cause you a lot of pain. There's always gonna be backup
I mean, he has the second life, though, can BKB TP out is going to be the play.
So we'll be a waste of BKB.
So that is nice.
I don't like they were going to get to do much with it anyway.
It's like an okay outcome for him. Yeah, he got a lot of attention
At its farm for the SF BKD done for RCY now the guys are rolling in
Then our cane rune in the bottle
Time to make a play
Well, if you're a crystalist, I wonder how you're looking at this game now because you're
the only person who can actually kill the Underlord and you just killed yourself trying
to kill him.
not even to mention the other cores who both have bkb so if you get bkb you will be a beast
that's gonna be the biggest time for christos you can ignore a lot of the reflection
you can get in the middle of the fight and sustain some of the random magic damage
but he gets jump requiem or demonic purge during that and just kind of kite it around yeah he's
going to be a massive trouble. Oh chrysalis his invisibility is going to wear off. RCY is
going to spot him with an arcane inviz. He didn't see him, right? I think it was just
out of range. He's looking for someone to just run up this top plate, but he left just
as just his yammagement for it. Oh man. Okay, so now he's going to try mid. No, he's going
to hang around his uh high ground ward here he's really not gonna jump him oh man i'm not surprised
yeah but they're missing the fiendscape for 10 seconds which is why i think they're a little
hesitant here but that was two supports running up your line in your ward that was you gotta defend
that you know yeah i i feel like that was like upside you get two support kills like what's the
the worst that can happen. You get those two support kills, the three cores of Maus
Attack you, you pop BKB. Like, I'm pretty sure when they pop BKB they're untouchable.
They should be. Only the Mortha can really push through it. The Mortha's not creating
a BKB. Copy us out of the start. Combo, a guys pass, half HP, but it just rubs it going
off. Now he's got a BKB Requiem and he's still got the Greaves in fact. Now he's not
Popped the requiem right away and he actually backs out a little bit fatal bonds doing some work here is that it looks like he got a
Lotus or bounce back so all the gamer leech interactually
Fatal bonded up requiem from behind catching chrysalis pushing him back into the rest of the team he pops his ultimate nicer
It came pike, but I saw the way male is still an issue
I don't know how balls of wind is this is too much
I'm not even sure if he's still fighting him at Lee and Hoffman.
This Underwood just destroys our lineup like they don't have any answer for Faden's game.
There's a reason this hero has a 75% win rate right now.
You get him in these later picks in the draft where he's against a bunch of melee blob heroes.
There's not really overwhelming chunk damage and like he just exists and he is one of the
ultimate I exist I win heroes so.
tough, very tough game for mouse so far and every time this mortha dies, it's like the
light at the end of that tunnel grows smaller, you know?
Yeah, just another nail in the coffin, a glitnir soon for Fade, so he's gonna have those massive
pits and I don't see anything coming out of mouse item-wise. That changes the game at all,
right? Boom, gets BKB, it doesn't solve their damage problem, right? Like he survives longer,
great, happy for you, but you aren't killing anybody.
The gamer legions are seemingly untouchable,
and then DKB isn't going to fix that.
Hanging himself during the Ember Spirit,
it's a long ways away,
doesn't add that much more damage.
It's gotta be six-lot more, though.
I mean, that's your dick in here.
Pretty much it.
Like, DKB Daedalus refresher for Kristallis here
to cap it out or something,
and just get in there with double DKB pierced the veil
just shreds of people with the 25 talent as well.
I think Gunslinger is a powerful passive, I wish not underrated, but this is going to
be a tough one for him to carry, especially if he can get to 25, which he's not that far
away considering they're on the losing side of things.
Down 16k, he is level 22.
There's a butterfly already out for Yamson, so his ability to burst these heroes down
continues to get more difficult.
Yammich, I think you're done here, son, bottom of the corner.
It's his potential Roche spawn.
So nice timing to make that move as Gamer Legion.
I don't get the fast spawn, but that's life.
Not always instantly rewarded.
I think this roaches there's to take anyway. Yeah, they'll be gave beyond worth though like no chance to contest this
Just hang around the pit until it spawns
Maybe mouths get a little bit of efficiency of playing the map
But you're so far ahead. It's not really gonna make a difference
Really the biggest question for game religion is how successful will they be once?
they're the ones who have to truly be on the offensive right mostly they've been
reacting to mouths and just getting stronger and stronger with this ages
you start getting into this territory of hitting high ground and we'll see if
that changes how some of these fights go perhaps I mean it has to make the
fights easier for them wear at least get the tall specs seem to tiny higher on
defense be a pretty big nuisance. You also have Windranger Shark. Gale Force can be annoying
on the high ground, so. That is true. If you toss back into Ice Pass and combined with
Gale Force, it does sound like a really nasty high ground to break. So maybe Maus will find
they're come back through that. Always possible.
Did they say no screw that plan? Yeah, if you give me more time to go
fight guys. It's a terrible one. Before smoke down mid. Look, it's
underlord. We can pass back the underlord. Fade does not get off
the playmail and he gets off a disruption though. For big now
big. I'm trying to make a run for it. Yeah, for pushing in the
shattered even does end up going down to record and hits and
almost kills Chris. He gets off his BKB and his ultimate delivers
some damage trying to finish off at least the Aegis gets that much also going for speed not quite stuck in the pit with no way out
RCY and Yamsen will finish him off in game release and they lost hardly nothing for that
I thought fate was gonna die the way that started half his HP gone in an instant, but I
Guess he survived
Very clutch disruption
I'm absolutely salvaged that entire thing. If there's no disruption on the
underworld there that is a very good jump from mouse but because that gets
stalled out it is a terrible jump from mouse because this is not the here you
want to go on and let live by putting all of your burst onto him. I don't know
is that the fight? Is that the way you're supposed to take it? I don't know.
Yeah, but if they won that prize, they could have taken mid tier 2.
Sure.
Mouse seemed really interested.
I get like sometimes when I'm watching mouse, I'm watching Dota from like 2015, you know,
where like there was a higher priority on like towers, you know, like the early towers,
oh man, got a tower guys, that's really good.
They do really prioritize the objective, I'll give that to you.
They're not gonna get too much.
Back away.
If I didn't look terrible for how terrible it went though.
I don't I don't know what that means
No, it's you know, it's like they were very close to I think winning that fight salt. Hmm. I
Don't know it kind of sounded like it didn't look
That bad, but it actually was really bad
I mean the outcome was really bad
But it didn't look as bad as I thought it was going to look based on them jumping on your lord with this whole team
behind. Yeah, the first, the first second of the fight where Underwood took a lot of damage,
that was, that was the highlight. Yeah, you're starting to believe y'all, they're gonna do it.
And then you got disrupted and you're like, uh, uh-oh.
Where's the biggest weakness is, you know, no matter, like, even if she can't get the damage,
you are ultimately still left in this, uh, 10 second Pierce the Vale where people need to be
within your a we did to hit them and you need stalling mechanisms can really screw you up and disruption is going to be one of those I
Still think if you can get the deals
I think
Six-slot of Martha always gives you a chance to win though. I'm not saying it's a high chance
But there's always that five like I think five percent is the lowest you can go with six-slotted
Because if he gets the perfect fight, he just kills everybody and you cannot survive, it's impossible.
I agree, I agree.
Disruption, boom, pop the BKB.
Slowed down by the purge, but Gamer Legion don't really want to throw on this high ground.
ground. You're not going to have a heart on fade. Good God. Oh, yeah, that's that's
pretty nice. I don't even know if I like it, but that's pretty, that's pretty bad ass right
there. Actually, yes, sir, too. I actually do like it because like the way he almost died
in that last fight. Right, come by with the fact that he hasn't played now. I actually
think just raw HP is probably his best resource. So we're going to be dropped trying to help
by Jansen. Ember Spirit jumps away, going to dive at the fatal bonds here, jump right
in the middle though, RCY hits the record, BKB goes off on the two cores though, they
ignore the fear and throw some damage back at a mid one, jump it all around with his
agonim scepter, we'll get back to safety here. In a nice path, they got to buy back
out a big num and if they can keep the rest of their heroes alive that will be
a kind of successful fight it was a one-for-one trade-off a lot of volts
being used on both sides a buyback from big num it's not too bad a great angle
great find for them starting on the SD is amazing take that save out of fight
there getting close to that worth the 25
Christos BKB on cooldown but has another pierced avail very low cooldown that
level 3. I also think the heart, it does seem good. Especially with how the new region works.
If they're going to come in on this guy and get him low and he just becomes harder and harder to
kill, just baits you in more. It's pretty nasty. It's also hitting pretty hard.
I think it's just a great underlord item, though not as good as it is on hostile.
I still want to hear
That's a true huskarspher. I
I still do not believe that that is a build in 90 percent of games, but
Smoke is gonna break down a low ground rcy blinks up to the high ground hits the site on yammage
And yammage would reverse it on unlikely to die can they get anything extra out of this?
Christmas, DKB up in a second. He's gonna have to DKB and TP out, but TP makes it though. It's a lot of damage.
It's a lot of damage.
He almost killed the Impson.
But that he just dies. It looks like a fool. But he almost got him.
Almost.
Went for the big blade, did not pay off. He never got to that Daedalus.
He was level 25.
I think throw out the requiem because why not hit him with the fear try and stall things
out so he can get off DKB and make a run for it.
His team is on the way.
Yop's TP out.
He wall mid phase is hanging out. He's level 25, so he's got the extra bit of Malus roots.
Incredibly toxic talent.
You can drag this guy in all you want out of Link, he gives it in.
Lost back on the shadow demon, got him to half health already, he's gonna be ice tap.
It should be killed here. Good for staff, Glimmer Cape. Man, how is it that even a support like that loses half his HP
on the toss back, but then they have nothing to finish him off.
Too much defensive capability in this lineup. They built all the craft utility items. They have the Horras.
Insane HP pools.
And this mouse lineup lacks damage. That was one of the big cruxes
about this draft.
He's gonna die. That is a dieback. Meanwhile, Faye just activates his blade mail. He's doing okay. Disruption to buy him a little bit more time.
Chrysalis turning his damage back around onto Gamson. A little bit of parry action.
Allows Hiansin to survive as Will Faye then, thanks to the heart and the heals.
They're ready to go back up the dagger. I'm pretty quick. In fact, RCY maybe jumped a little bit farther ahead of his team.
They weren't quite ready for that initiation. They fall through now though.
Jamsen on top of Chris's list disruption makes things a little awkward.
He actually gets a 4-Saf over, but the dagger throw now from Jamsen.
A talent block to finish him off. There's so much damage. He won't miss a lot.
Yeah, because it's so stupid.
Well, I respect Chris Thall's effort this game. He really did try.
on his back, but I think this was just an impossible to carry man like there's
just too much survivability too much he has to get through he's getting so many
heroes down to under 10% but he can't finish anybody off before the glimmers
before staves the pits get to him that's a rough game for us I don't think
that's the position they want to be in I think that's a very frustrating game I
think we saw it with the moves like they're forcing these moves into a
defensive lineup they're not really playing the next minute well which is
the important part of the game like this. So either you reset and try and go with a
different strategy or you just like wake up and play a bit more disciplined because you
cannot give up so much of the early game when you're in a position getting outscaled that
hard. It's an interesting problem here. Mows go from land chance to bottoming out. I mean
this has just been a complete 180 from this team. Something's gone horrifically wrong
and hopefully they'll be able to fix it going into game 2.
Well it feels like after a loss we normally see the cameras
in to disconnect from some of the players but we see a bit more emotion and animation I would say
from these mouse players than what we're used to especially on the side of Yamich there is
I think very clearly upset which you can't blame them but there's a conversation that needs to be
Honestly, I love seeing this. Can you look breezy's lips?
I wish I had that skill.
Just knowing that when you have a loss, sometimes teams just stay quiet.
After 5 minutes, one guy will talk and then you get to some fake conclusion.
But if someone's actually talking after loss, having this and this,
maybe it's just him and Boomb having a problem in the lane.
Maybe there's something they don't like, maybe it's the tiny off lane.
But I feel like having a player speak their thoughts and actually try to get to a conclusion as quick as possible
to then make sure that your torn up life is still in the line can be secured.
I like having those emotive players when it matters.
Yeah, full respect.
Celery probably getting up getting PTSD thinking Quinn's back on his team.
So true.
But you mean you're giving good importance to PTSD?
I know, I'll go.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Master of...
Yeah, every time we finish a panel, that's what Quinn does.
Really good feedback.
I've seen multiple people that have been on Quinn's team talk about how they shut down his ideas.
you know like these players had great fun fresh meta defining concepts and then Quinn's like
no back in my day we can't play rules you can't do that you got yeah exactly so that's right guys
i don't like faces void 4 well it's winning so um anyway is it kind of not really it ain't good
uh game happened by the way game leech and win nice little defensive lineup playing it chill
playing it steady and then just pretty much breaking mouse on the on the bigger fights i mean that's
another reason why i'm very on board with what you said that it's just good like sometimes you
You just gotta let it out because this doesn't look like, first of all, it doesn't look like the mouse we're used to seeing gameplay-wise, but also, when you look at the draft, like, Yamage, I don't think he's suited for this type of player, like, he's a nearly brawl specialist, let him play, like, let him play those heroes, it's maybe not a reason, you know, why he's speaking up after the game.
Also, we don't know, like, is Immortal Faith, like, when he's not there in person, is he there online? Probably he is, like, you know, maybe there's some disconnect there.
You have Mid one who's like, not there, he's like asleep at the start of the game, then his hero gets first pick, that's probably not the strength of them either, but you know, enough harping on them, I think Gamer Legion, they've been the most impressive to me so far in this tournament compared to others.
Their prep is good, T mentioned that in Game Ones they look good, they played pretty phenomenal I would say, so just a well deserved win.
I mean, I think it's it's very good that they were able to play a slower game to be chill. I think they defended their areas very well. They understood what they have right? They have oral luck, shattered even if heroes are not running around and killing everyone to protecting their areas and they're farming and they're okay applying a slower game.
I think that's that's great that they have the foresight and are able to recognize that about their draft and play that way because yeah, they did just straight up outplay miles and mid one is back taking another nap.
Because he he needs to recharge after that game 0 4 and 3. He did not do a lot.
How would you rate Jamsons? Because we saw it, he pulled out the stats, he's played it twice in competitive, but you were actually still kind of surprised when it came out.
You were like, oh, I mean, I'm sure he could play it, but I didn't know it was a Jamson here.
Yeah, I didn't think it was, but I think he played very well, 11-0 and 9.
Nothing really to point out about it, it was like a bad performance in any way.
I think overall, it's hard to point out something the gamer legion did and be like, that was really, really wrong.
I mean, they're not they're not perfect, but they played a very solid game across the board. I think
Now's kind of just like they were just playing really uncomfortably
Yeah, like they tried some stuff like early on I like like one of the early moves like minute six
You bring like your tiny you try to like do some invasion
But then like minute eight and ten they do it again, and then they have levels you can't really do it
And then they just felt I don't they just felt lost and a bit hopeless like I didn't see like this
Conviction like usually teams when they're behind you can find moves you can like find these timings, but to me
I just I'm missing the life in their gameplay. I'm just happy to see a team actually have a lead and then not just gig a choke
It's right away, right game of Legion look at that
I never thought like ah they're meant to lose the game at this point like there's like the occasional
Crystalism where maybe he steps up, but yeah for game of Legion. They're just so cruise control
So it's kind of also hard to critique them because there's no real punishment to say how good is game of Legion because mouse just did nothing
I was gonna say I would like to remind you guys you don't have to critique everyone you can't just praise them without any negatives
A mouse needs to be good.
I meant it was not a game of League.
You didn't know you could do that.
I did play a game of League.
All three of you guys were like,
I can't really find anything wrong with it
so I guess I can say some nice things about game of League.
I actually praised them
because out of the teams we've seen from
the middle of the pack,
they've had one of the only clean games
where it's like, that was good.
She said, that was good.
That was the most pleasant game to watch with a 3 watch today.
That's bad.
French.
And tricks all around.
I like that.
Take the L, Matt.
Take the L.
Let's then focus on a little bit more because Maus didn't have a direction.
That's the ultimate what you guys are saying here.
Whether a team is able to at least contest for a Roche, whether it's sneak out the Tormentor
or even push some Towers, Maus didn't really have that at all.
It really was nothing on the board for them.
Yeah, I mean, I think you can see it at this top tower push.
They go for early in the game.
It almost feels like aimless.
They're sort of sitting there just right clicking the tower from the front.
It's a half HP tower.
Everyone on Gamer Legion is missing.
Yo, there's smoke behind you, like, shocker.
It's just an incredibly weird way to die just hitting the tower from the front.
Like, it's so low skill in a way that it's the kind of mistake that is made
because you're not in the zone, like you're stressed or you're worried about something outside of the game.
Like, this is not a game mistake.
It's a something that's going on in their heads.
They're getting brain jammed by something because that is ridiculous.
The problem is, in the draft, if we are identifying, like, how does game religion want to play the first 20 minutes of the game,
and how does mouse want to play it, like, if we're identifying it so clearly,
mouse need to do something special to kind of change it.
Because otherwise you are just playing into it, like, negatives.
You're playing into just these objective defending heroes breaking you.
They just did nothing special to try and do it.
It's just like, follow a basic script.
So for mouse, it's like, weak hero picks, weak mentality,
and that's probably why Yamach is so annoyed after that game, because, like, look how predictable we are.
We're not doing anything to win this game, we're just allowing Game of Legion to do everything they want.
Because I do think usually they have been predictable, like also in the past, but then at least they backed it up more with confidence and I think also comfort of their heroes,
but it's not really what they're showing me here, where as Game of Legion, I feel like they're just chilling, they have good heroes.
They've got the prep you talked about, and what Quinn showed us too, they understand how to defend and play their areas, whereas other teams seem a bit more random,
But this time around I feel like they actually have a good plan and a good purpose
So if mouse won't like step it up for the next game
I think they're in for an absolute rough one
Yeah, we could talk about the next game in a little bit because there is so much more especially getting to see that draft again
Pop up that I have questions around
Tiny has been flexed a lot in the 27 games that we've seen him in beforehand whether that's support offline whether that's in
Mid there so either position 4 or position 2
But this was the first time that we were seeing it in a position three and lost
Done that's it point over I got nothing else to add to that
I'm not that is the most positive you could be about a position through tiny right now
Hey, this hero as a core just sucks ass
That's just what it looks like. It's played and it's
The choir here. Let's hope they're listening cuz it ain't good
But if you can get like a phylac tree and you're like sending nukes are safely in dude
And it's like maybe there's like eight minutes of fun, but after that like you are just
Try and segue some way into the back
double down if you want.
No, I don't want you to say, please don't double down.
Let's segue into the game state of about 20 minutes
because you guys were like,
you've said it over and over again,
the comfort of game allegiance,
the fact that they could just sit back and enjoy it.
And now it's needed something special,
but instead they were trying to push a half HP tower
front on and then it just stalls out again
because every core has just died on our screens.
And so you wonder where are these item times
gonna come from?
How are these cores gonna be able to come back,
especially at a 20 minute mark where it's just,
it's just rough tea.
Yeah, no, it is. And just show me some item timings, lads. Show me some big screen.
Bump, bring it up. Show me the items.
Yeah, it is. I mean, it's got a bump.
I only told for it twice, but that's all right for now.
Ah, it's all right. It's their second day on the job.
Game of Legion, of course. Look at them.
I'll see why with the Greaves doing a little bit of that fatter roleplay from the mid lane.
And now I just feel like Game of Legion, we look at how they want to play their concept,
and all of them are doing it. You've got Force and Glimmer and Warlock.
You've got the Aura as the blade mail on the Underlord.
So everything Game of Legion is doing is a coherent team trying to win the game.
A mouse, it's like, five individual dudes who are playing their own games,
hoping that it might just sync up at some point.
Like, this is not the mouse that we saw, you know, last year, during November, December,
all those kind of tail-in-the-year tournaments.
Like, I am shocked at how much of a fall-off mouse is experiencing right now,
but, again, they've played so many games together.
There's talk about fatigue, playing too much and stuff like that,
but this is not the mouse that we saw.
I actually think it's the inverse.
I think mouse did so good at the end of last year
because they played all those qualifiers.
I agree.
I think that grind is really important.
Yeah.
Especially for the patches.
Hit them, then oh.
I feel like they, you know, in the Lion King app,
whenever he's looking in the sky,
and he's like, remember who you are.
To me, that's Miles right now.
Like, this team, they last picked mid one hero.
OK, they first picked Chrysalis.
They picked a melee four.
They picked Celery, obnoxious laner,
and they picked Boom as Oraboy fact dude.
Like, they have none of that in this game,
besides Celery being strong laner.
It's first big mid one, last pick, Chrystalis.
They don't really have a fact dude.
They've got mid, boom, playing a jumper,
and Dan's playing a rain share.
They forgot every single thing that makes mouths mouths.
The, who's the guy getting thrown off the cliff then?
And they're in later rounds.
Oh, their chances of surviving this turn.
Yeah, you have to kick someone's mouth to make it better.
Cause we know you like kicking people Quinn.
Who would you kick?
What?
So he had to kick someone's mouth to make it better.
No one, I'm kicking that draft and I'm going to next one.
I'm saying, yo, give Dan a kick.
I didn't say that, you said that.
You guys put him on this one.
Immortal Faith, see you later.
In Elimination series, we can at least be positive.
We don't have to about kicking.
I didn't say that.
He didn't die, did he?
Goddamn, the more I ask, the more ruthless.
I got you.
I like this, I think we should split them up too.
Why are the teeth split so far apart, but quitting?
Can't you get to stand next to each other?
I don't know.
Come on, that's all good.
No
No
Stage though we could have technically done this panel anywhere behind us by the way
Why are we victim to standing at this desk?
More games play more days here for Blast slam and game a legion right now keeping their dreams alive a little bit
But very quickly where is the comeback of the run backs are gonna come from game a legion to get a tour? I think
Honestly more the same. I think they've had a really solid gameplay
They had great drafts, I think stick to your prep and and two more good things more of the same
Well, I don't know if they're gonna get the exact same sort of draft for themselves
But maybe the overall archetype and identity can stick that for them. We're gonna go to a break on the other side
It's game two
What throws team mouse in the chaos? What drives your team crazy?
What makes you completely unable to play your games well when people start getting pissed off at random mistakes
If something goes wrong, someone gets mad, then someone else gets mad, and then everyone's mad within like two minutes, and that's it. It's done.
In a perfect scenario, what makes a team balanced to you?
From my own team, if it's balanced, that's what we were in like PGL for example, where we're all chilling, we're all playing our game.
Nothing is really bothering us too much, and we just ended up winning that tournament, I think because we were balanced.
What infuriates you about competition at these events?
What makes you the angriest when you compete?
When I see Falcons win.
I feel like people kind of understand.
You don't really need to give an explanation.
I think it's just there and people get it.
What expectations is it about yourself,
is it about others that suffocate you?
Whose expectations bring you death?
Reddit's expectations.
They're too high.
It's really hard.
I feel like I can't meet them, but you know, I'm doing my best.
In your team, what responsibility is weighed down the most?
People really look up to you on your squad.
They expect so much.
They meet you for so much.
When I don't meet the expectation.
No!
What responsibility will give it to you?
Just the things that I have to do in the game.
They motivate me to try to learn how to do them better
and how to get better.
And that's like a responsibility, right?
That I have to do certain things in the game
to make sure that we can smoothly win.
What feeds your un-dying hunger for more?
Money.
Money.
Money.
What helps you grow your ambition?
Money.
Yeah, it's just all money.
Whichever term is the biggest, whichever gives you most money,
doesn't matter.
It's all money.
Money is really good.
Money is really good.
I love money.
Well, Chris was I think gave us a little bit of an inside into maybe what might be the mental of mouths right now as much as there was a little bit of joking from him.
There are expectations placed upon them at the beginning of this blast slam and right now they're not meeting them by any means.
They are one game down in an elimination at best of three where they've placed bottom four in the group standings.
game legion on the other hand with that performance in game one
feels like the expectations are placed on them and maybe it's going to shape up to be a good draft for
themselves here by banning out razor chen two more bands to come from them with shadow demon tree
and bat rider also taken out. It's also just difficult I think for mouse because being in
this type of position knowing what you're able to achieve last year and having this type of
performance in a tournament where you're playing like remotely that you haven't gone to a boot camp
you're not in the same room that you're relying on everyone being present in the discord pool
It's a lot harder, I'd say, to manage this type of performance.
It's definitely harder to talk to each other.
I think it's also harder for people to keep their emotions properly leveled.
And the one I can see feels quite bad.
Obviously Yamachi seems to have been talking about it, but also Mid-One.
He's solo bootcamping, travelling from Asia back to Europe to make it happen.
I mean, there's a lot of things that are playing into what we're seeing from the gameplay,
which is not just them clicking their buttons, like there's a lot of emotions going into this game,
so I just got to hope that Maus are getting it together at least a little bit more for this game.
It's definitely not easy to work in the situations. I feel a bit bad from everyone,
being the one who goes to solo boot camps while the team isn't with you, right? They're all just
at home. I think it can feel a bit disjointed and you people have to put in a lot of effort
to make that team cohesion feel, right? When you're in person, it's sort of naturally built to
some extent because you're socializing with each other, but when you're online, people are you're
or you're hanging out with your own families
or even actually your own friends in that off time.
If you're not making a really, really conscious effort,
you can feel disjointed and problems can build
though this game of small things.
I think I honestly rate some of the teams where
when you have these like players who are not
from the region of playing in,
I like it where like one player or a coach or someone
also goes to bootcamp with that one guy
just to kind of give them a bit more of like
kind of a team environment.
But again.
Solidarity.
Yeah.
I'm here with you.
Not to be the case though.
going back to some of the old formula that found them success right going to
the first week Viper, game legion instantly taking the puck as a response
of course the mid matchup, Viper pushes wave, puck pushes wave. Yeah you just
chill and against Viper beating him is unrealistic and anything that does beat
has the potential to beat him like sniper is just a trash hero so it's better to
just pick some dude that's gonna draw and vibe against them because if you don't
get it right away you're never gonna get it. The only caveat to this is
Chris likes playing the carry Viper, so then sure you'd mention Sniper not beating like the puck
It's not really good enough hero. You can still go with like the melee aggressive guy play for the farm
Viper wins his safe lane you play for the farm mid lane with like an early blink timing like this
There's ways that mouse can't go for that aggression again
But game allegiance seemed to be very content playing defensive waiting for that aggression to come
I mean I do like when mouse have like I mean I wouldn't mind if that one does end up playing the Viper
But if they see a good pick for him where he can get off to a good start and then like command the game
I do think traditionally and generally that's how this team functions. Well, mid one has a good lane
He commands the early game come with me. Let's go here
Take the mid you want take the enemy woods and like build a small lead off of that
I would be pretty happy if they do go with that
I would also say like a hero that I would like to see more against viper is like a hoodwink
I do think this heroes really hard to kill early and like also in a mid game if you don't have like some
inherent super high physical damage or a break?
Yeah, this hero is, I mean, it's first pick for a reason.
Hero is very, very powerful.
I could definitely see the world where they put
Viper safe lane and pick a new mid hero.
It's totally, totally fine.
I think both worlds are very reasonable.
And I think just even off this first pick alone,
I think this is a much better situation for Miles.
This first pick Ember, you're just telegraphing.
Yo, we're just picking our mid hero now.
That is not what Miles should be doing right now.
You've got a flex and it's a hero,
I think that also fits the theme
of the way they play a lot better.
It's this obnoxious wave pushing up in your business,
take your towers, it's their theme.
I mean, also with the Chrysalis Mortar,
he played it, I think, pretty okay,
but I don't think he's played it that much.
Oh, I had the stats on that, boss.
Last time he played it, 2024, when he was playing on Secret.
And then he played it, like four times that year,
before that, played it in 2023.
Since then, he hasn't touched it at all.
So on mouse, that was the first game for mouse
that he had played the hero.
Yeah, I mean, I don't even think he played a bad game.
He didn't.
It just doesn't fit their style.
I like his tusk.
Going back to sort of the classic
Cellular Snapfire hero, he's played quite a bit.
To me, this is Maus going back to their guns,
which I think is good,
which they should do the natural adjustment
from that game one, which is quite a mess.
So even if Game Legion sticks to their guns,
Maus will have stuck to theirs,
and I think we'll have a much better game.
One problem is, we're looking at heroes that are comfortable for mouse, but they're not countering the puck, right?
It's like, good for your lanes, good for your map play, but I am still looking at RCY going, alright?
Still not looking at any pressure on me yet, I can potentially command the game, even though, again, the spirit player, I think puck easily is in the same bill as the heroes that RCY can just pop off on.
Yeah, definitely very comfortable on the hero, and you're right, they don't really counter puck at all.
Tusk is maybe slightly too sighted once you get the blink, you can chain sun them for a little bit, but yeah, in the entire early game there's zero kill threat in this buck, you will not die.
So who will be able to farm and get two of his items?
I think Puck's weakness lies in the fact that you can't really do much, like when you're landing against Viper, you'll do, you won't die, you'll do okay, but you're not gonna pressure the Viper either, so...
Miles can make aggressive moves elsewhere and maybe they can, you know, they can, they can get something going in other places.
Full range terrorist for game of Legion. There is just all poke and playing on like the fringe of a fight
Yeah, I do think it's a little like it doesn't like set up for the overall like mess cohesion
And I like this pick a lot from outside because with what you mentioned they haven't been answering the pocket
But I think the tusk snap are like leading up to the cores that will I think DK is super good with the draft
You have currently Viper not to hear that goes in first you have all the follow-up damage you want
So I do really like this
I would I mean it can be the carry still if you want, but I would also not mind if this one goes mid
Maybe this also will depend on what game religion end up picking last to like maybe deter Viper from being carried or the DK from being carried
So mouse. I like what they have this time around way more
Yeah, I completely agree. I also think that
Game religions heroes down so very strange like I think warlock and clings have horrible synergy together
Yeah, use the heel at all
And it's two like mega harass heroes that do nothing to pulling waves
So you're playing as miles and they pick tusk, you know what they're doing they're pulling waves
They're not laying here
So we're like he's not gonna get any of those kills like he did early in last game
He's not gonna get the harass off
He will just be some worthless pullboth who's not really strong on the rune fights
I don't think game religions heroes really make much sense with each other
No, they have like one fight in them, right?
It's like the the coil break with the bones the golem after that
It's you're really hoping to find pick off hope that mouse just aren't playing
a cohesive game but don't pretty much.
I mean, I could see currently where Miles just put this DK mid.
You try to ban for Viper to go safe lane.
Like Viper could go off lane, like maybe Klingx is annoying, but if I just look at the support matchup,
I think if you find the Warlock or Klingx isolated, I think the two of you will beat the hell out of them.
But you could just put Viper safe lane, have a stable game, pick an off lane,
or like maybe a Centaur, maybe a Tide, I think it's some Blade Mail or overall like Cohesion gives you teamfight.
You're overall pretty happy with.
Yeah, I definitely think, the nice thing about this Viper DK is also that it's a Parmaflex.
Yeah, regardless of what offline you pick here, it makes Gamerelegion's offline pick
kinda awkward because they really want this sort of beefy, fat melee, maybe even a stunner
offline-er, and that becomes more tricky because now you have to pick something that can lane
against well Dragonite and Viper.
It's not that easy of a Venn diagram to find something in the middle of.
from mouse they're off lane just needs to be again another active hero they acts
historically as a hero that boom can utilize with the brewmaster banned out
I mean there's not many off things even banned out right now in the polls kind of
the final phase that's happening but we're not underlord it's still there if
either team want to go back for it it's fine I don't think it's as good as it
was like last game I would prefer mouse stuff like something a little different
I hear like a like walk into the fight rather than
Enter the fight slightly later because then you are putting like DK in this position of like you have to do everything for us
And then once you've entered every everyone else will shine
This is why she had the most points this morning, just the gold
The boring hero though.
That is true.
That I cannot disagree with.
It is a much better mouse lineup overall.
Last draft, if they don't get 20 kills on their name, you're just looking at a losing
lineup.
This time around, there's Waveshaft.
They have all the little elements that we praise Gamelidge for.
You can't just copy paste the mouse, but it is kind of DK Tusk being your main initiating
force.
Yeah, unless this last pick changes something drastically, I think Mouse just has massive
ease of execution. They've got a bunch of tanky heroes. I think game
religions heroes do not really have enough damage to cut through that. And I
think Miles are totally content just chilling and farming. They'll have much
easier ways to initiate fights eventually. I think conversely the last
game, the clock is on game religion. They need to, they have to show us something
here that changes. Yeah, I don't actually see like a pick that kind of wows me to
them. Like you probably want the melee guy, but the cool melee guy that would
in Mars because if you do lane against Tusk Viper, I think this is an okay one. I don't
love this one against Underlord. He builds like items that completely destroy you. If you do play
Overly Aggressive in areas, which this hero coherently does, there's always a gate to like
come and counter-gank you, but he's pretty good in the lane. He's selected Wild Hunt at the moment,
so he is looking potentially, and he can still change his penalty of time before the game starts,
but he is looking towards Helm of Dorm, Helm of Overlord. We've mentioned that Game of Legion,
they have like, they have these little spells to throw in, they are going to try and put Beastmaster
at that focal point in the first 20 minutes to play through him, but it's like you kind of know
the game plan. Again, that's the thing, we knew Master's game plan last game, it kind of unraveled
quickly. Game Legion, same thing, play through the Beastmaster, if he doesn't have a game,
it can get awkward very quickly. Master can get so tanky with these heroes.
Fade, Fade loves his uh, macroing, his little zoo heroes for sure.
We've seen him do amazing with any sort of hero that lacks to build that helm dump and
the way that he's able to create space and make ways into it.
It feels like maybe the timer could be delayed a bit if he's able to pull that off.
Yeah, I mean he is certainly the focal point of this and I think he is very competent on
this hero.
Like a lot will come down to how his lane goes and how the rotations from Gamer Legion
go to his lane if this is successful or not as Viper and Underlord are not great at keeping so
there will be sort of a vacuum in which there's this 3v3 almost between the supports the off lane
and Chrysalis so I think depending how that goes is very important for game of legion because if
it's stalled out if it's draw-ish then I think Maus is is definitely favorite here. The thing
with Clinkster is in these type of games the clunkier heroes once you do get to death so
dead list and agg you suddenly rip through the Viper's the DK's like there is like a second win
to game allegiance lineup outside of the tempo of a Beastmaster but you're talking about Faden
and the Beastmaster this is now his 101st game on the hero after this one according to Dota buff
so yeah wow he might have to get a kick delivered for him 101 there it is i mean for me i like
mouse a little bit more i would have liked it even more i think if the decay was mid but maybe
we'll we'll see about that later but overall unless this fade on his giga whatever number Beastmaster
Big number, 101, if he doesn't like super take over the game for me in the early, I feel like mouse are actually going to give us a third game.
Okay, hopefully there is a potential game at number three here because we're lacking mouse, it feels like back against the wall is what they really needed to pull at what is going to be a good draft for themselves.
Can they execute it or is game allegiance going to be able to take this 2-0 and survive a little longer in Blast Lame 6?
it's a good one.
Elimination on the line. Mows
have to turn this whole
tournament around. It has been
a rough go for them. This last
month. But maybe they still have
a chance to be able to turn
things around and come back in
this best of three. Otherwise
I feel like this team is just getting a bit better every month that goes by and
Culmation of which is they're fairly decent middle of the pack team
Are they in middle I guess middle of the pack is very I mean they're on their eyes though stocks on the rise
Up a game looking to close out this series. They got some of their signature heroes, especially that often the beast and willow
So all eyes on them to pull this draft through and get something cooking against a boom mouse lineup that is
very much in their wheelhouse compared to last time.
First blood on the menu.
First blood, Jamson, slowed down by the tag team. Pretty much a guarantee.
And still a 2-2 bounding split. And they're also going to get a really good body block off the creep wave while the clink is dead.
the creep wave while the clink is dead. So likely the creep equilibrium gonna be in their
favor unless the clink wants to take the creep wave. They're actually gonna fight the two
supports trying to stop them here. Another round of tag team. This might have been a
big mistake from Gamer Legion. Maybe they don't lose anybody here, but they're gonna
have to make a run for it. That's for sure.
It's expensive. Don't stop the block. You're late top. Really awkward start to this game
came to Legion. He's got to take a bunch of damage on the early 1v2, trying to turn it
around though. Blood grenade with a good amount of damage from that level 1 shadow round.
He got beat up, man. They take the boars too early. I think this beast is going to have to
overperform because this game somehow came down to the worst offlaner of the entire event
versus the best offlaner of the entire event.
Beastmaster 50% win rate against Underlord,
who I think is now up to 78 or something percent win rate.
Yeah, that is, that is crazy.
Like, I understand that like stats aren't everything.
But at some point, man, it's at some point,
you just look at how successful a hero is, or in this case,
how unsuccessful a hero is and be like, man, maybe, maybe we don't.
Maybe we find solutions that aren't that hero to our drafting issues.
I think both these heroes are at least very comfortable on them, so that makes up for it a little bit.
Let's see what Faye can do with it, because...
Hero is honestly, it's okay, but it's just not closing games out.
It's running into some sort of brick wall.
Maybe landmaps are just getting too tanky for him.
We've also seen a lot of itemization against the beast in some of these games in terms of
spamming Lotus and Lincoln's and then you get to this late game you have your refresher and
So as you get zero roar connections in these leaky fights because there's just so many defensive rebounds
Saw that yesterday. It's one of the issues this beast is running into for sure his itemization against him whereas
Underlord like what do you build against underlord?
You know, you can't really stop his kit working. It just gets better the later the game goes
You have refresher BKB so you can ignore all this stuff. That's kind of your best route in the ultra late
Like monkey king with you know, we're calling in her fresher BKB used to just don't close here, but
outside of that kind of shenanigans
It's a lot harder to kind of act this hero and he kind of just builds items to deal with whatever you're doing
build the ship. He builds the
pipe. He builds the crimson. He
could build the she was even
used to build the halberd. So
he's an anti carrier. Yeah, I
was specifically thinking about
pipe when it comes to the
Beastmaster and this whole
issue. It felt like if we're
seeing a lot of pipes right
now, uh, we're seeing a fair
amount of oras because you know,
we're actually getting the
we've seen like a crimson guard on one or two mid heroes as well.
So you're like almost combo-ing up aura items where Beastmaster doesn't build auras for you,
and he's particularly hurt by the opposing team building pipe.
Well, maybe you're supposed to go this helm of the Overlord and kind of play that style of beast.
We've mainly seen the Ag's beast. It doesn't look amazing.
Fade is more of the Dominator beast style and he is looking at it here.
so maybe he'll actually complete him with Overlord.
I don't know how strong that item really is in a vacuum,
but I think it can still bring you a lot of tempo
if you get a little shot off it.
It does give you another aura.
So that's a style they can also adapt to here
and maybe play this hero a little different
than the Win Rate Reflex.
How do you think Mid's supposed to be going?
Because right now, R.C.Y. is getting the better
of Mid-1's Viper.
I mean RC wise the goat. What are you supposed to do? You know this guy is basically trained against the other best mid laners
That play the game in North America the best mid lane region of all time. So, you know, he's gonna perform on anything
What can you do if you pick your middle one?
That's true
Mid one's also going for the you know Thompson sort of 0 3 2 builds no point in going poison attack really against pauc
I assume
I think sometimes you can zone him if you really play the early way as well, but this is just the I'm gonna farm
I don't care what you do build. That's another reason. I see why he's getting a lot here. Yeah
Look at all those actually snags both of them here will be good damage not enough for a kill out of anything, but
Good bit of harassment.
Ooh, there goes the bore.
Shotgun down that bore.
Going after speed.
Yammage doing lane pulling shenanigans, which is...
He's constant ammo.
We talked about in the previous game when he was playing the windranger. Windranger. Definitely more comfortable on these melee
four positions. We see that here.
Pulling the creep wave and then pulling the warlock out of position in order to get the kill.
could be a difficult tough game in some sense so I think willow is a tough
matchup I think Puck is a tough matchup warlock can be a tough matchup with the
warlock it's to just sit on the back lines and all the fights so there's
some difficult heroes for your image to go into but he is the tusk master so I
do not doubt he will have some presence in this game he also has I think one
very specific counter that he's gonna be playing off of right which is the
the roar goes down, he's just looking to snowball save. I always like when my Toss games are
played out simply like that, you know, where I'm just looking for like one or two spells
that I'm trying to counter snowball.
I agree. It always makes this hero just mega value. You can just hold it in the fight and
they always have to think about what ult they're throwing out when.
I've gotten a couple courier snipes here too, pretty nice.
RCY looking for a solo pick off.
Says I don't care how many TI Grand Finals you've been due.
I'm going to kill you anyway.
wasn't able to make it through in time though.
So a very messy clash in the top lane.
And the Viper proved not to really be
the determining factor there.
He tipped it in, and he was not the be-all end-all of the fight.
Didn't really do anything, but he didn't die.
And then I guess it baits the clings
to join the fight, who just inted to die.
So psychological damage, I suppose.
Beastmaster looking strong in the early engagement. So with the max board, they don't really have great ways to clear these bores out
They just stick them on the dragon like really annoying for Kristals
You really didn't they've chosen their lane of attack. It's this top lane through the beast
They want to give the XP to the clinks. Maybe let him make a gate rotation not get called like he did last time and
Get some power runs for the puck outmaneuver
Mouses more static lineup because their lineup is pretty clunky to maneuver around the map
Bots on the Viper will help and you do have the gate, but if those are on cooldown these heroes are generally just they just want to sit in their lane
So if you can poke and prod it's still a little asking like the roles are switched
But if game religion can force their response out of mouths like the gate the Viper keep you whatever back off and then re-engage
That can be very successful for them
Well, behind.
Chryslus gets the dragon tailed.
That'll slow down some of this damage.
RCY though with the final orb.
We'll finish him off.
Viper Shrike coming out.
Snowball to stop the TP. Okay.
They get something out of this for a second there.
I thought the rotation from mid one
was gonna be for Nott.
Ultimately though, not a good trade off.
A core. They lost their carry.
They got a support for it. They lost their tower as well.
I am surprised tk dies just the fuck dark below that old
Okay, not as tanky as he looks
Do have the boss up on the viper now and gate off cool down so their sponsors are
Available for miles again. This is the period you kind of the you know make the poke play but not over commit into the turn around
and
the
home
obviously to go for a crimson garden this game way too good
particularly against the clink
will make this squad from miles like when they get to their ball
like this time around I see a ball that is like crazy scary
Viper dragonite with a crimson guard on them
them. They're going to be untouchable. Fabe, he is going to die up here. Big rotation out,
meanwhile Celery being chased down by RCY. And again, final Shadow Realm hit or the Bramble.
One or the other, either one will get the kill. I agree, Mouse's Ball is absolutely terrifying
if you let it get online. And it's kind of hard to stop it getting online this game.
There's only so much you could do when all three of these cores are going to farm super fast.
Clue it through Waste, Clue it through Stacks. DK is going to be, you know, Masked Madness,
Killing Ancients, Underwood can play alone. They will get Ores. They will blob up this
game. You're just going to have to have enough damage to punch through it. I guess that's
where the Warlock comes in. It is a pretty good Warlock game on paper. He has very good
Bonds targets. Of course, you can always build Dispels against this hero, so the matchups
can be deceiving. Like, yeah, he has great targets to Bonds, but if they have a group
use it to have a lotus doesn't do anything but all paper so I could give you some of that extra
and so you gotta be blocked in catch got him on the pits into the kisses landing
very good catch I think he ever just already done more in this game than he did the entire
he's asking I agreed that's just he's a hero specialist you gotta play to that
he was taking this fight without the clings yeah the town's already dead it's because RCY was in
In this position through the game, he made the call for the team to come over.
Beautiful Fatal Bonds though for the goal, he's gonna be dropped.
These three heroes Fatal Bonded up.
If RCY can just get a round of nukes, Terrorize goes out.
RCY almost dying to the Viper Strike with the Terrorize.
In the end, it saves the day.
Still chasing after these heroes, Fatal Bonds lasting a few more seconds.
The war goes out.
On the boom, commit, get that kill.
Mid wanted Yamich low.
The run behind the tower, Brambles goes out.
Yamich manages to dodge, getting snagged there.
Will be okay.
So the move from game religion a little risky considering the fact they're doing it without the clings with the dead tower
But it does work
Really nice gameplay from the game religion supports
I think both big man speed didn't work and that fight in fact speed is your damn
It's weird with that massive bonds gold drop and then big number like perfect hair rise that fails rcy
I now because rcy he got stunned by him. She's dead there unless that terrorize
So very clutch ults there to salvage what otherwise was looking like a rough fight for the bot, but
You could better a mouse yet again
And I will say this Beastmaster Warlock combo this goes back to like TI 6 when e home are playing it
It's a nasty combo people underrated, but just giving this inner this inner beast to the golem is
It's surprisingly scary
I don't remember what buffs it's received, but I feel like the Golem is stronger than
it's been in previous times.
Oh yeah, it's definitely stronger.
Hard to kill and I think it does the same, maybe a little more damage.
Yeah, I think that one of the biggest things they made it so that they used to have that
thing where it's like, oh, you can choose him the Golem having lots of armor or lots
of magic resistance and it felt kind of useless at 25.
Now they move that to just 25% damage resistance at 20, and licking gold is tough to deal with.
Kisses raining in. Not sure who we're shooting at here though.
Cell just kind of wildfire throwing globs of fire at three different targets.
They'll get one of them and that is Big Num's Dark Willow.
RCY once again gonna go through the gate.
A little bit of deja vu. He wants to make another play in this corner of the map though.
Malus is not sticking around.
That was definition of just came in blasted right there.
Who was?
Just rolled up with a snap-fire, came in blasted and he knew no issue.
Now just, I'm chucking him out, you guys figure out the rest.
Spray and pray.
Maybe getting sucked into this NA Fiesta we got going on right now,
but I guess a successful game for Malus.
Starting to pick up some of those ore items.
There's the Crimson on the Underlord.
working towards the ax on the Viper will be another big item in this game.
RC-wise position, very good.
You'll have to worry about this puck scaling a bit.
And it will be handled to overload for the beast.
So, game leaders are going to try and match some of the early aura presence here.
Kind of a race between this beast and
under-lash Viper who can control some of the objectives faster
as this DK and Clink's attempt to speed up their farm and recover in this game.
Yeah, he's not leaving him alone.
Jamsen's really got to get out of this corner.
Like frankly, I'm surprised that he doesn't think this area is warded.
It's not, but like, you know, the way he's been hunted in this corner, it makes it look
like it.
He just keeps dying down here.
It's a bad death in this game. He's trying to get to death so he could join fight to be against that and just keeps getting delayed and delayed.
Yeah, funny thing is is that like, Clinks is one of the carries that has the most freedom around the map, right?
Any hero that has a blink or any hero that has an invisibility, you have more freedom to go around the map and farm where you want to.
That you're not as stuck as many other carries and just like farming out that bottom alley.
Boom, gonna be caught by the bramble.
Colm going to be dropped, stopping the Yamagery to be able to get a good snowball save in here, and now they're fatal bonded together.
The damage is slowing down, but they get it over the finish line, at least for the kill onto the Underlord.
Now the snowball chasing after RCY, not going to get that, Yamage starts backing away, afraid of RCY and the nukes that are going to come in.
Almost enough to finish him off, got him on the bramble, that'll do it.
RCY jumping back away from mid one, and he wants to go back in because Fade is cutting across the jungle area, runs into Celery.
an Accelerate, a Roar, and a third kill for Gamer Legion.
Oh, dangerous, he axed that Croker camp.
Yeah.
You know, watch out with those, man.
You drag them over, they're gonna steal your kill, but nice little rotation from him can
even go into this tier one mid.
Gamer Legion are just...
Like, they're not even up this game, but I feel like they're playing this game better.
They're just connecting better, even with these bad deaths on the clink.
Like, the Amateurs don't work this game in fighting games and shutting them down, but
But if that did not happen, I feel like this game could look even more one-sided and the
big story to me has been RCY.
He's had himself a perfect puck game here.
He is mega farmed.
304, just owning these fights again, down side of this mouse line, they don't have the best
early lockdown for him.
So he should be having a free game, but he has done better than I thought he would be
at this point.
He's definitely been killing it.
He looks so comfortable in fights, he doesn't really seem to be afraid of anything that's
being thrown at him.
Gamer Legion are going to do an early rose on here with the Deso on point.
Really nice timing for them.
Helm of the Overlord came to Deso, again this Deso got delayed too, but they're still going
to get it faster than Malzor ready to fight it.
It's just not an objective.
Malzor might give up on this game for 40.
Maybe the first game is a little difficult for them to contest, but in general, their
line up is built to fight the objectives to make game religion go into them. Every time
you give up one of these for free it feels rough.
Might spot anyone bottom on this ward too. It's good information if you want to dive top or go
set up to kill the viper.
Boom sitting in front of it makes it so they can't really pressure the tower and force
mid want to rotate but maybe killing the heroes behind the tower will force a reaction.
Coil now on the boom.
Thought about the terrorized to break the coil they think better of it.
This hero's too hard to kill I think for them to over commit to it then as mid one keeps
He's in, they roar up him, focus him down with a fatal bonds between him and the gendalwar.
Both these tanky boys are now becoming a bit of a liability against each other.
They just need a bit more damage, but they're not gonna find it chrysalis.
Well, maybe they will. The orb actually cuts down the viper.
Got yamsim, though, inside the pit in the dragon tail.
He does end up going down. Boom, still not dead yet, but RCY is not gonna give up.
He's gonna try. Nah, he's gonna warp out now.
Jump to the orb, planks back, threatening him with the gade. Boom saying,
You can still get me maybe.
Gamer legion.
Give up on this one.
Good rotation from Chrysalis.
He really helped keep that fight together.
Oh, 100%.
They don't kill that cling so that is damaged there.
Smart move by him.
That's a very tough fight for Gamer legion to force behind it
here to into the underworld like that.
You get a solid bonds on the two cores.
I mean, not a great one because it didn't
tag anybody else, but that fight just so stalled up
by the Underlord with Max Aura, Crimson.
If there's any fight that Maus is going to win,
I feel like the highest percentage is
Gamer Legion trying to kill Underlord.
100%, yeah.
That's the kind of fight Maus should welcome with open arms.
Yeah.
It was okay for them.
They got to just,
they did not claim RCY.
That would have been the huge ticket there,
because now he's going to be able to finish up this Prasble,
which is huge in this game,
because Gamerlige need as much damage as they can
to break through these tanky boys
who are just only gonna become tanky
as this game goes on.
And a successful fight there leads into
mouse control in the top part of the map
and that leads to Tormentor.
So now we have a shard for Celery.
Little fire cookie action.
Solid shard nowadays.
Get that double cookie charge count.
It becomes even better.
So Fave got himself his home of the overlord what is he going to get next?
Usually it's blink like you can go blink pkb route you can go other oras but I don't know
How great they're gonna feel trying to progress against Mouse's timings here.
I like the DKB idea.
I actually feel like they don't need more initiation.
I just kind of wanted their team fight to be stronger if I'm getting an AD.
You could go with Shiva's.
You still go like ag, Shiva's route.
I wouldn't hate going back to aggs if you've got a warlock on your team
Why is the imps and down here again, how does this keep happening?
Yeah, it's not gonna die this time
Yeah, it's good. So fate's gonna take it for him instead
I think we can already see how much more comfortable mouths are in this game with the draft than
game 1.
It fits all the components of what they want.
They're scaling with this underlord just getting massive.
and already done their five on five is super strong. Just continue to find these catches off the tusk in the games
Gonna progress a massive kill here. Crystal is
Miracle help TP coming in. It's hard to get this kill quickly snowball pick up the beautiful pick up
That's gonna bail him out
He doesn't die now tear eyes
They keep the gold on him, but he's got too many oras
TP away from speed and a big whip from gamer Legion
they get that kill and they don't lose heroes for it and that's mad that they slow down the vkb of chrysalis
But instead yamsen he also dies that game religion falling apart a little bit here
This is just the reverse of game one
It's game religion feeling they need to make plays and look for aggressive kills
Lacking the damage to get through the tanky boys and the underlord defensive capability with the tuss no balls a
counter-axle these plays way too effectively
you're in trouble because now
you've got an hour or two.
Now is just rolling in the gold
and now it feels like, uh, I
mean, as you said before, they
are already kind of guaranteed
with these three different
cores. You can't really stop
them from getting to their
items. Uh, but this time he is
going to get hit real hard with
the get BKB on the Dragonite
eggs on the unlord for some
extra team fight catch and
then frankly, mid one doesn't
just kind of roll up as is and I feel like their team fight is going to be kind of untouchable
for a solid like 10 minutes.
Especially if there's a good snowball save in the middle.
Yeah.
I think it's just guaranteed one team fight if the image can connect with all this kit.
Boxing and the speed can be caught he tries to keep away but the cookies should be easier
than the one on the other.
on the other side catches they they try to run but caught in the pit and he'll die as well gamer
legion are now just getting picked apart across the map speeding things up for mouths faster and
faster i feel at least 70 of mouse's kills that come in this bottom river yeah yeah uh game
religion just keep trying to form this area out they haven't de-ordered it there's not even a vision
there but they are just a feeding trough in this bottom river. Love that mid one hunts down this
dragon they're not going to let fade keep cutting the way.
I'm really far behind now this clink's finding no momentum in this game.
I just don't feel like Yampson looks too comfortable on it.
Yeah.
He got hunted a lot.
He was in that bottom area for a long time.
He hasn't really been able to aggressively kill lanes.
He's one in six.
He looked more comfortable on the Tess, which was his third professional match.
Yeah, for sure.
I see why dancing around if you can get out successfully this will be a lot of time for
the rest of his team to farm so just get out and spot chrysalis on the other side of the
map all those heroes were in the bottom right corner they make a move fast enough chrysalis
will be outnumbered. They don't want to go for it, Fade says. He just wants to keep farming.
Get to that BKB. I just don't know if they're going to have damage to put into this lineup.
There's a lot of mitigation coming out, especially if they get Dispels. I think if Malz gets
this fills for this bonds. The 5v5 becomes really difficult by my big up back into the
bottom river that's worked so well. So I looked it up. Yamsen has played 10 professional
matches of clinks. Five of them had been in the last month. Before that he was playing
it in 2021, uh, where he also only has a 30% win rate on it.
So he's gotten three and seven on clink.
It's not great.
Not great.
Not great.
I think he's too stable for clink, honestly.
It takes a real deranged mind to be good at this hero.
Does it?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean we've been listening to the old players lately, not to me.
Aume.
Yeah, that guy, he's a true psychopath dude, he's a C, C player man.
Okay.
We've been on a hater and Aume.
This guy, he has to be sure himself, this guy got second three times, that's completely
broken him.
He's lost.
Okay.
Just a close player now.
It depends on what color area Tor has.
Okay, his personality changes with each one of his hairdos and I think sometimes he's a great click player
So sometimes he's not you know depends on the character
So I'm saying you gotta be unhinged to play sir because the hero gets overhauled every month
So who spams a hero? It's gonna get over
as his beast is just
He just can't play the map. I just gonna ban Tusk next next game. You like what else is can you ever play?
Yeah, I think you might need to consider that
just because it's not like his toss is very good but that's also because his
performance on WinRanger was so not good.
I mean, Gamer even aren't even playing Dota at this point in time. They're losing a game of hide-and-seek.
I don't know what has caused way too many problems in this series to me, this hero.
You have to figure out just how these two teams are styles to put Dota against each other.
You do not want to be the team that has to try and make plays into the Underworld line-up.
But not anybody do it successfully once in this series.
This is feeling like a game that is just as one-sided as Game 1 at this point.
Now with an Aegis on Chrysalis, it feels like Maus have reached to that kind of unstoppable five-man ball territory.
pretty much I just don't see his heroes going down unless there's the best bonds
of speeds career yeah you need a really good fatal bonds and some sort of stuns
that set up a great burning barrage
you also need a lot more items on this fucking clings to deal the damage missing
too much damage right now
The bottom lane calls to Jamsen.
They're not resisted.
They've got a game plan this time round. They're going to head to the bottom lane, but with their entire team, they've found Jamsen.
They're caked to the other side of the map. Boombl is going to call in some reinforcements. They caught Jamsen. They can't kill him fast enough though.
As now Crystalous comes in, sure Jamsen dies, but Crystal is already done so much damage.
The game is on the run with the rest of his BKB.
The Amps isn't going to try and TP out, and he does make it.
Crystal has got a little bit stalled out there, so he wasn't able to get the Dragon Tail there.
He goes for RCY.
Instead, RCY jumped away to his orb.
Gotta keep this intact.
Fortunately, the Lincoln's protected him there, but he has the gem as well.
Who cannot afford to be losing this.
Looks like, uh, Mal's also had a gem.
Uh-oh.
Break it through the linkage again.
Orb up in a second.
up in a second. Oh God. I see
why you really made this way too
close, man. 90 or another blink
up in a second. Another orb.
He's out. He's good. He drew a
lot of attention his way yet
again. Why? Why was that?
That's it. I mean, he's trying
to stall this game as much as
you can. Find the little pick
off to the fight. He's still
doing God's work out here for
And I was finding Tusk first probably the best year to find through everything on him. He just gets pipe crimson
Takes forever to kill this damn Tusk
You will lose these ages can they tell him a second time here on the other side
They're also going after yams and yams and stuck in the river turns fights as Betsy
Can death pass yields him up a little bit, but he will be run down by mid one
Chrysalis meanwhile terrorized going out candy heroes get through the gates here. They're showing up mid one
He gets through Yamich chasing on after whatever heroes taking catch. It's gonna be the dark willow
Who goes down RC wise gonna play some games with them to once again try and stall
But mouths are simply just too damn strong winning fights on both sides of the map
Go higher on you. Yeah, TK probably
Have your horse back up in 10 seconds. Let's stop you
Not a lot of outspan in this lineup
Thunderlord Dotto
Cool straw stats don't lie. That's that's what we're learning stats never lie
Another loss for Beastmaster another dub for the Underlord
They're trying to cut the waves, but they already have a seed wagon inside the base
So this is gonna be a lane of barracks and fade dying
of
the
first year I get some
of the little bit more
This is RC Y versus the world right now, 1v9.
Classic in a half right here.
Has no clue what the hell the rest of his team is doing,
but he is just gonna try and put this game on his back
and lug it up the mountain.
Yeah, I wish him the best
because it is gonna be a tall task,
but they can slip it out of nothing here, that's for sure.
Initiation on the M-SIN.
Four staff.
Yeah, that damage is really ramping up for the Dragonite.
It's a bit unfair, he had a damn damage,
But still.
Gato's already done his raided shield online.
That Sentry Ops catches sight of him.
You gait in, it's done deal.
Well, Jansen, don't think we're gonna see him play Clinkz again.
Nope.
Lowest net worth core in the game.
I feel like the rest of Gamer Legion didn't have too bad of a game.
But simply put, they don't have any damage from their carry.
And the kills that they've gotten have made things spiral so badly that Fade, who was
supposed to be coming into this, very strong.
Right?
He had that fast helmet overload, took that early tower, had a pretty decent net worth
We've got an early BKB and somehow mouths are just so strong they're one-shotting him.
These masters fundamentally not great against five-minute ball laps.
I think that's the problem we keep seeing for this hero, isn't it?
He just keeps running it into him expecting a different outcome and he keeps suffering.
Oh, nice. A tempter with the chorus there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Use a force staff to stamp the coil, get him deep inside the base, and yet,
it is all undone by counter force staff that gets him down,
and the heroes are quickly swept up by mouse one after another.
Byback could be used.
I don't know if this goes into the tier fours, he doesn't give a damn,
he wants this top speed from using his sub-heval, and he does do that pretty well.
pretty well. Fade? Okay. Well, that's back to back desk without him passing. Almost anything here.
Gets off the primal roar, quickly dies to the punch. Now, Yamsin shows up, but show up for what?
GG. This game has been done for a while now. Well, if I'm going into game three, I'll tell you
one thing. I'm picking under a lord or I'm banding that shit because I don't want play going to sit
into game three and I'm probably taking out Yamsin's tusk because he was real bad after that game
game one being put on Winteranger said giving out here I'm in a dunk on these kids and he absolutely
dunked on him. So those are the two biggest differences from that game one day. If you're
game religion you have to get these heroes out or take them and make some adjustments because
right now in this series the meta is ball or group invincibility. You either have the damage
or you don't and so far both these teams have run into that issue. And Jamson's got to be put on
something comfortable. I don't know what happened to this game, but he was a no-show for game two,
which means we're going to a game three.
Well, with their lives of Blast Slam on the line,
mouths show up in this game at number two for themselves. And what do you want to put it down
to DROVES or just kind of waking up a little bit, you know, this time around, Mid-One wasn't
sleeping on the DROVES, and everyone felt like they just had a cleaner, cohesive playstyle
on the side of mouse. Yeah, I think the draft definitely did play a big part though. I think,
I mean, Avery was talking about it. I think that that is the meta of this series. I think in a lot
of these important best of threes elimination series, especially being tanky, having teamfight,
the ease of execution is king. Miles had it in space this game, game religion had it last game,
and I think going into next game, we need to see how these teams adapt. The main thing there is
just seeing mouse feel comfortable again, right? Like after the draft, you had that recipe, you
You know boom on the aura offline yet the annoyance of celery and damage and what they can bring you have Chris is playing
His DK here like they utilize to win tournaments in 20 25, right?
So I feel like for mouse it was like we are one game away from getting eliminated in last place
Like that should not be a sentence you say for a team like mouse, right?
And then you go all the way back to the creature comforts and yeah clearly they just
Be able to just use some muscle memory to get themselves for the second game
I mean it is also like the beauty of this game in a way where one game to the other it can be so vastly
different, like what a team looks like, both in terms of like the heroes they play and
overall what they're doing in the game because Gamer Legion they still look good like the
first 15 to 20ish minutes until they did make like, I would say a rather big blunder, but
when I look at Maus, it just looked a lot more like them. They did definitely wake up
and understood, you know, the, we could obviously see that the post game talk they had at Yamage
initiated, it did a lot. Cause this is a completely different team if you compare them to game
So I'm absolutely happy to see but yeah the oras you see Navi do it
You see OG do it you want to have good early to mid game and then take the fight to your opponents
I kind of feel like the conversation like seeing Yamach on the mic like just having that passion to talk
I look at mouse
I'm seeing like they're talking about like their lives on the line and for game religion like they're kind of cruising into the second game
I the first game was really easy
Let's just see what we can get in the second game like the draft construct like seeing the puck the wall at the clink's the willow
like having four ranged heroes going for the last with B-SW. It didn't feel as strong as the prep and
the draft integrity as we saw in game one. And that's kind of where I said like with Game of Legion,
they're very good in game one. They're very good at punishing and annoying you,
but as the best of three progresses, they look shaky. And here, again, it's the same story for
Game of Legion. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of the stuff just felt forced. I think from
Jampson specifically, you can see he's one on 11 there. On any hero that's bad, on Kerry especially,
He's kind of, it feels like he's, he feels like the need to do stuff to make things happen in a lineup where no one really can make moves, right?
It's two range supports, it's Puck, who is a rather slow hero, and it's Beastmaster who's just farming it up.
So he feels like he needs to be involved, but that's not the point, sorry.
We've seen it from a lot of players, they farm until at least they get that death, so before they start joining the game,
and the death, after death, after death, it adds up, and I think for the next game, you want Jamsen in a situation where he can play comfortably and be chill.
I think on the Kes, he looked great. He had a very, very competent game one and you can't have this, right?
Cap said, you can't just be chain feeding like this on a cold roll. You're just not gonna win.
Yeah. I mean, 1-11 is like kind of, it borders on like XD. It's definitely not something like that you want to have.
I will say that Yamach on the toss, he had their number in this game.
Like in a lot of these clips, my bro was just jumping in first, getting the punch into the snowball,
being in the right place at the right time.
So I will say that mouse I think not just as a team but also individually looked a lot better in this game
Thing is we damage though tusk best hero of what that means in competitive career
You could argue right the last time we played it in slam
He went 315 since then he never went back to it. So maybe that one game was like
Good guys, I don't want to touch it, you know, and then of course he said, you know what?
I am the tusk guy
So again, I feel like this series is like mouse just
Refinding like you know, why are we moving away from the heroes that we're good at we should just be playing them
So this is kind of like a wake-up moment for them
Yeah, you guys were all using a similar sort of word right you want Yamsen to feel comfortable in game number three
But I wonder where that comfort comes from is it just strictly down to that hero
What is the play style of what it is needed out of him to or the rest of these things feel comfortable?
I mean, I think a baseline is there should be synergy between him and his five-year-old. I don't think
Clinks and Warlock really do much together you've compared that to the first game
And I think that's really important that you have synergy with the heroes that you tend to be near
He's not really enabling anyone. He's not being enabled in this game
Right, so it makes sense that he feels disjointed
He's trying to force things because none of his heroes really help him and he doesn't really help anyone else
It's just they just sort of picked a bunch of isolated heroes where it felt like game one
Everything was cohesive and I think they need to they need to find that cohesion because this is not it's not it's not a real draft
You can't pick four ranged heroes as the first four heroes like nobody does this is not though
No, it's not but like maybe in their perspective not saying it's good
like this idea that Beastmaster going for Zoo build would like bring them more life to the game.
Like maybe there's like, you know what, we're gonna take this tower and then the range table
will pay behind the zoo and then they'll cushion it and then we'll just keep going, keep going.
But it's like Dota is not played this like cookie cutter anymore. Like you don't just
take too early towers, take rush and win the game. Like there's a lot more nuance to the game. So
yeah, I agree with Quinn. Like the first four range pick into it, maybe it's another simplification,
but it just, it just looks ugly in a draft. I mean, at the end of the day, that is kind of
add jobs, we need a simplify thing, because there are so many things going on within this
and we can look at the teamfights, maybe try and simplify them a little bit more, Kezu,
as to how they went so right to Maus.
Yeah, I mean, I don't love Gamer Legion's draft, but there's definitely plays to be had.
Like what I want to highlight two things here, like Gamer Legion, first of all, your draft
is, there's a lot of nuance, like how you play, first of all, you have four range heroes,
we've touched on that, but then it's, you cannot get split like this, so that's going
to be step one.
But what I want to highlight is how Maus defend the map.
It's very, it's not easy for them to take this fight.
important that you have Underlord anchored on this tower to like be the first point of contact.
You have the Crimson, you have the Tier 2 aura that you can play around, and I also want to highlight
that Yamage owns this fight and at the same time Crystalis takes this fight. He keeps these in
without Dragon form. If they don't take this fight or if Gamrelation gets to take this fight
more nicely together, not separate, because if you look at Fate, his Beastmaster is continuously
like stuck around this Tier 2 area. It's super awkward for him to like join his team, and I'm
just going to say that if this fight goes different, if Gamrelation finds a better angle,
Then even with the harder to execute draft and the few flaws they have there's always gameplay to be had
But those moments you need to hit them. No, that's true
It's a great point honestly
I fully agree like a gameplay is like the end of the day you can point a draft all day long
But gameplay it's like it really does matter and you're right
But if that if I felt we differently we'd be talking about how game religion while what an amazing to all look at this great dive
You know, yeah
Well, I guess we can look at my clip at the 21 minute mark and look at a potential play that game
Oh no, no, no, no.
Just put again!
Oh, put again!
Oh, that was a little gun!
Fuck ratio.
If we could just mute T's mind as well as it's a rough software.
It's just a boring item graphic again, come on, Quinn.
Right first, no pipe.
No pipe.
Now we use literally Gothic traffic just to say pipe versus no pipe.
Oh my god.
And also underlord...
They both have crimson.
This hero is...
This hero is a problem.
Can we pull that back up again?
Am I going to win?
Yeah, well, Mothan, beast does not have crimson.
Beast does not.
No.
They're both brown items.
They were, and I got bad eyesight.
We're learning things every day.
What did the guys look like?
Was there anything else to this graphic, Quinn?
No, it was literally typing, Quim's in.
Yeah.
We're really doing your glitch.
I literally shocked the shit out of you two.
Good job, everyone.
We're really hyping each other up.
How long did that game go for again?
Huh?
How long did the game go for?
Six or seven.
Too long.
In a world of six and seven, be it 21, you want to, like, please stop.
You would, what?
No more.
You do it all the time.
I think it's tea governor's time, guys.
We've been shutting him down too much.
Let's go.
That's cool.
Roll the clip.
Please.
Man is a daymaker for man.
Anyway, so we have here game of legion.
They're making a smoke.
Wasp, Beast, Moss is dead.
And I feel like we've seen the top dive like Kezzy mentioned.
Mouse, they're very quick to react here.
Of course, Yamach on the task.
We've seen so many clips where he's saving the day.
I have to question speed a little bit.
He didn't drop the golem to go for that DK kill.
If they made that clean the dive of the top tier two,
if they used the golem there,
there were moments where this draft could have worked.
But again, they make these little mistakes, and always Yamich on the task was able to turn it around and fix it.
So, I think Yamich just found himself in this game, and Game of Legion just misplayed too many times in the really small moments
to try and bring this kind of quarkier draft into a winning position.
Yeah, I think it's absolutely true, and I mean, we're highlighting it in like the two clips.
You want to make it more...
Sorry for getting the show flow, my bad.
Thanks. Good talk, guys.
Amen.
Amen. Back to you now.
But, I mean, I was actually trying to listen to Quinn and then that spoke to me and it kind of got weird.
That's not Quinn.
Why were you listening to Quinn?
I was talking!
See, I was just testing there and listening.
I was listening to Kezu.
Yeah, it was a great point by T and back to Quinn.
So clicked.
Yeah, very good.
Bone man, you know that.
They lost because they picked four range heroes guys.
No, they lost because they let Maus get underlord.
That's also true.
That is true.
This hero is OP and he's easy.
He's Giga.
When you're in elimination, it actually matters.
You pick easy heroes when you're in elimination.
You don't want to stress yourself,
okay, everyone is playing worse than they would be normally.
They're not playing it their pub selves.
You look at game releases.
Game set is one in 11, guys.
That's not good.
Those are not good numbers.
Maybe 11 and one, but not shifted slash a little bit.
And then it's a good score,
but they aren't shifted the slash.
So you pick easy heroes.
That's Clink's, not some shenanigans,
some sneak around crap, just pick,
blah, we farm.
That's good.
I feel like Klinkz isn't even that hard of a hero.
Maybe if you have front line, he becomes easier, but, you know, take a breather, go to the next game.
Who do you-
Give me a new topic.
Well, no, no, a similar vein, but I guess something different to talk about.
Who do you think is the most difficult to execute out of the 10 heroes we had in the previous draft?
This is so, like, off-topic, but somehow still on top of it.
Maybe, like, Puck or Beast?
I would say Puck, yeah, but, oh yeah, Beast is trapped, so Beast.
I mean, like, Beast has a lot of, like, small nuance.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like if you mess up something, your game kind of like goes straight in the trash.
And Puck is like the most skillful, I guess, of these 10 heroes.
Of course, that's what Quinn would say.
Good answer! Good answer!
Stupid Puck player.
They didn't camp the runes enough and that's why he lost.
He didn't play through big lane until he lost.
He didn't take down the Viper.
I need health when I dodge spells because the lane's too hard.
Do you remember that time that you lost TI on Puck?
Okay.
At least it's been a while.
Oh no.
But it should be fine, not too soon.
Nah, it's all good guys, much love.
You know Blast still uses the same hotel sometimes and it just gives PTSD to Quinn.
I do walk in those doors and I'm like, I feel like Blast over me.
No, I feel bad.
Oh, you should.
No.
I'm expecting more points from Boom when you have this darts like thing hanging in your
room.
Yeah, he hit a...
Yeah.
He hit a one.
Just one.
A one?
That's...
No, maybe he's trying to do Around the World.
Is that what he's...
No, he's not.
Noooooooo!
He's went to Netflix and maybe crying on how to do it.
No, he doesn't touch it off! He doesn't touch it off, he doesn't touch it.
Can I just say, I feel like why is our production that good at actually showing darts?
I've seen action darts production, and they're not breaking up showing the board.
It's really just...
You can actually hear us blaming.
Yeah, I just feel like if you have a starch point of your room.
Come on, and I said, what?
So, we'll ask, but I agree. If you have a darts point of your room, you have to be cooking
yeah, you better blaming.
Maybe he just bored it!
No way!
He's a sporty guy, he's very good at table tennis.
His Instagram stories, he's like winning trophies and shit.
Is it really?
Yeah.
I think that's a zero cap.
I'm good at ping pong, I'm sure he's better.
He's winning like, he's got a background song with like 45 trophies.
You know Koi Koi is super Giga.
Koi Koi is the best one in the Dota scene.
Well at the...
Well at the...
I don't understand what that was, but maybe you guys can have a little bit of a rally
and figure out who the best out of you guys is at Table Tennis, Ping Pong.
Is there a difference?
Nope.
Same shit, okay. I don't know why there's two different names to the same thing, but either way. There's only one name for what's about to happen
It's a break at a game number three
Today we are doing the blind rankings of neutral items. Oh
dormant curio
I mean, I think it's quite bad. Let's go to nine. There's really
I'm putting tumble toy that's like middle of the park
Five is five
I'm trying to think what's here.
Code of one.
Don't think ahead.
Oh wait, no, I can be kind of on my head.
I'm playing.
I'm playing.
I'm playing.
I'm playing.
Yeah, no, I'm gonna be in the mood.
I'm being logical.
All right.
Two, five, five, five, five is fine.
Five is fine.
Five.
Five.
Yeah.
Beauty pollen bag, I think that might be ten.
I've taken it like one time.
I just forgot to use it.
I don't think I've ever actually pressed it.
I don't know what it looks like.
There's probably one guy out there who's like, spremios.
He's behind a monitor.
I don't care about his screen.
I've never seen the item used, 10.
All of our charm is pretty good.
I take it more frequently.
But it also, you don't take it past 8, right?
No, sure.
It's either 4 or 6, depending on vibes.
Viper goes 6.
I feel like there's a lot of good ones.
That's not making no sense.
Eric fucking Cloak won instantly.
There's no doubt about it.
How many are dying is like, it's 2, right?
But he's very good, but you can't enter with it.
So luckily, that alone would put it like 2 or 3.
Yeah, I mean, you can't like clutch it up in the leg end
It may have been way broken before, but I think it's two or three.
You can go two.
Unreal Engine's eye is pretty bad.
You're only taking it if your other options are crap.
I'm only taking it in one game where I'm on for a sub-bucket,
and I utilize it to be very tanky when I'm seven.
Yeah, seven, I think.
Nine-five models are good.
I think it's like...
That has to be the highest we have left.
I think it's three.
Nine-five models, three.
You take it in a lot of games, a lot of heroes.
Attack range, cast range, and support.
You're not in fighting position A, which is always going to cast range.
I think it's like the second best tier four.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, so three, yeah.
Sisters Shroud, what the fuck though?
No, it's not that broken anymore.
Yeah, it's still kind of good though.
It's good, but like, I think four is a fine placement.
Yeah.
I don't even know if I think it's better than monocled four.
It's a little bit of a more...
On my linting.
Or how long do I get done?
You know what?
I think I get four, then.
Four.
I mean, it's worse.
Pormant Shield is worse than six, but it's fine.
Yeah.
Oh, it's fine.
That's a good spot on Pormant Shield.
Pormant Shield's terrible.
Yeah.
I think it's pretty good.
I think we've maybe fucked up with like pure important being lower than like tall man and I
He got my love's top. Yeah, you're a bomb
of the game. I'm going to
see. Both of these teams know
just how much it means to win
a best of one, because this is
essentially how this best of
three now plays out for
elimination for making it into
the playing stage for Blossom
Malta here. Both of them had
pretty dominating games is how
I describe it with game
I describe it with game a lesion taking game one
mouse taking game two and
We are now to see what will unfold for a game three where the priority is and if mouse are gonna go back to still opening up
That drops with a mid one here
Yeah, I mean I think game religion has
First picked this game, which is the pick that won both other games
I think it is probably preferable for them and let's them get the yamsen 18 hero
we saw him pick the clink on 16-17 last game which was a bit of an uncomfortable spot didn't make too much sense in the
context so I think having him have 18 pick is very very good for them and Miles opposite give him a chin instead of the SD of last game
Uh-oh. Oh man, dude. This is this is really good for Miles. Yeah. Yeah, that's solid
Actually, I was gonna jokingly talk about the underlord but I straight up, they straight up opened with it
But again, it's just a classic counter to the Chen, right?
Like, Chen wants to play that kind of annoying laning game
and to get some creeps, hit a tower, or kind of buff people up.
Underlord's like, alright, you have an aura, I have two.
You know, it's just, it's just a very good matchup for Underlord the entire time.
And this is where I think when heroes are often banned out in the first phase,
when they finally become available, if you rush to pick them,
teams are like, okay, thank you very much, this is our prep against you.
So I feel like Gameligeon may have fallen into a bit of a trap potentially,
as well as, again, just take, they promote Underlord to the first phase.
No, I definitely agree. And I think this is sometimes where you see the experience of older teams or teams with more, you know, high, like, the ends of tournaments.
You get more practice in these things because I think this is a very good read on their part to give the channel and respond like this.
And I think Gamer Legion could have adapted and just first overall picked underlaid. I think that was actually the correct play.
But they, they get baited into this in a typical order of things when the series started. But the series now is not what it was at the beginning.
Like so because the most obvious ban is obviously Ursa for mouse. You're not gonna hand that to game religion
I think if you're game religion you should be looking at carries that still abuse the fact that unloader is just this fat boy
That's gonna build these or as you want long fights
I mean ideally you kill this guy first, but it's really hard to play for this
So maybe you can look for like a Chen Slark lane later down the lane because you know that mouse play like you know
The double melee guys, so you should be able to get a weaker later like Slark through the lane
That's at least an idea I have because when you play against this blobby guy
Please have like some sort of an idea of what you at least want to try to own him
They've done that the DK so they are offering the potential answer into the mix
Yeah, I mean like for themselves, I'm asking pick it if they want yeah
Yeah, I mean if they do if miles picks it, then I don't think it's the end of the world
I think there should be things that you can pick that are good against both. Yeah
Yeah, there's a bear been pretty standard
I didn't think the bands the the band adjustments or game religion are good though
They've been the Tusk and the DK two heroes now has had last game and both look very strong
Another definitely gonna want some damage and some hero that can be amplified with the Chen Auras
There's stuff like Timbersaw that's in the pool
You want something that cuts through this underlord one way or another because you do not want to end up in a situation like last game
Or you just cannot kill them so things like the puck these low damage heroes to me
They're off the table unless you've already got something in mind that is going to actually kill the underlord
It's just kind of hard, we've yet to really see the hero be broken.
Of course he has lost, so there are ways that you can go about it,
but even if you're looking for ways, if you get the Slark later,
I think you're inviting mid one to have also a giga-lash game unless you ban that later.
So obviously, when specific things come out,
it's going to call for specific things from your opponents.
But yeah, this unordered hero for now,
he needs to be answered more than what we've seen.
I love the fact that Yamich, again, the most vocal after game one,
and it's like game 2, he gets his Tusk, game 3 he gets his Pudge, heroes that haven't really been
too big in the tournament, or for him at least, I don't think he's played Pudge in the tournament
so far. I think maybe not right now, he's known for his Tusk and Pudge generally speaking. I mean
it's his top 2 competitive heroes, but his Pudge win rates, after the inception of this Master
roster, it did start dropping and then he kind of moved away from it, kind of slightly, never so
gently in some qualifiers but again in the game three you win it you get to go to play another
best of three lose you're out. I mean it's good we talked about it. Woowee woowoo. Oh
sweet. And the Omni man. Is it a carry Omni? Is this Nightfall cosplay? It is Nightfall
cosplay yeah. Okay I mean this lane is super miserable for Underlords. Yeah. Like this lane
is awful you can only pull waves don't even try to interact because Omni Knight is a broken laner.
He just keeps on slapping you he just hits you in the head with his big holy hammer and it's big
Oh, do you know continue the theme of yampson is best of three right the clink sir cap of saying it was quite a
There's five games. I think it was with game of legion and then
But three years ago something four years ago there as well omni night only two competitive games
Last time he played it. He was on apex genesis back in 2024
His score, again, I think he has also support back then, because it was a 0-6 support with Solar Press, a 0-6 support Manaboot.
So, again, a roll swap has occurred for Jansen since then, but, yeah, two support games to his competitive career.
What is up with the Pudge picks today, by the way? We went through them having none.
Yeah, having three or four.
Yeah, we went from literally none, and then today, Heroic picked it back to back, and then we get it now.
it is like a player to hear a comfort thing, but I also have to see that there's got to
be something calling for it in a draft.
Can't reveal your best stuff in a best of one route.
Oh my bad!
You know what they could have picked on Game Religion they didn't is the Rubik.
That is one of the absolute hardest counters to Underlord.
You steal his Q and then you just kill everyone in the whole fight.
The issue is, players have this weird thing where it's like if everyone keeps saying
here is bad, then you just keep telling yourself it's bad.
But there are like very specific games like the underlock against Jukira that, you know, it is playable as long as your lineup is like
robust enough that a Rubik can kind of get through laning phase then yeah 100% would agree with it.
I would say that here's kind of
Garbo and underlocked skills a bit different than he used to like you max aura first
You also don't necessarily have to max firestorm, but I could see the hero like come up throughout the tournament
You know if it does get like very late
I will say that I like mouse that they picked SF here because it's like an open flex and it just lanes well
It's good with you know like the Auras to build it up
What makes Rubik?
Gobble here. I know that we're not seeing it
But the fact that you both have the same sentiment his landings just very lackluster like you just secure range creep and play somewhat defensive
You just don't have very good damage. You're mostly kind of weak. You're playing on fade ball
There's no big like level two timing to play on the lane that you are hoping to get the spell to then turn it around
It's just a lot of things have to go right for you
And your team kind of needs to like hold your hand whilst ever falls you dictate more the tusk the willows the
Whatever you just run around the map and command it yourself
Yeah, I feel like he suffers a lot and this hero has like no good first item to build in my opinion
Which is also like a bit of a feels bad as a support
You don't your foreplayed by Maddox Aetherlands
Yeah, it's like some 2018 Team Secret Yaps are running around fade-bolding everyone
You guys are really convincing me on it
There's a mouse lineup and I think I mean game religion just tried to counter pick here
I mean, I think this jacquero doesn't is very out of place personally
But they saw a no five yet no carry that it's good against they pick some random for jacquero
I'm just kind of like why I don't I don't think so. It's a reason for it
And it also doesn't strike me particularly as game religion. This is very snowball. It's not a lot of team fight
It's very much we need to be ahead and keep building that lead because I think as more time passes
Omni that carry does fall off. And once you're like mega fat and super in the zone
It's not that intuitive
There's the stone first
Hides up here with the game in Legion
Big old 100% win rate. There it is
I mean you do have Jakira Storm which is good together and you have two heroes that I think Storm also likes having their draft
Which is Chen and Omni like when you go in first a
they can help you to like stay in the fight.
But I think Underlord should be quite annoying for you
to play into again, you know, the early pipe.
He builds eggs later.
He also builds like ATOS glape near, you know,
if he wants to.
So it kind of forces you into like a BKB,
or it's very annoying for you to like also play like
the mid to late game fights.
Mouse, like they don't have the cleanest lockdown,
which of course, only night running through,
you won't be able to counter other than like a podge,
dismember, storms for it.
Again, on paper, very good game.
One thing going for Mouse though is like,
they have constant ways to save each other.
Cookies and hook saves and then Shadowfiend if he goes pike can force someone and underlord of course with the auras
So mouse can kind of like invite the storm like come zip onto us
We'll just drag the fight a little bit longer drag some more matter from you like your damage is
Again, it's kind of a long fight for game a legion or many wants to punch you a couple times
Almost the punch is it's not like big explosive damage from game a legion
So mouse even though they didn't have lockdown can continue kiting these engagements
Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a pretty bad storm game
I think underlord is one of the hardest counters in the game to that hero. What are we saw storm?
On the old team we would pick we would pick underlord almost always if we had a chance
That's for the rushing pipe? Yeah, you just pipe pipe and pit is super obnoxious
Storm has to buy BQB so it griefs his item build and
Like you just don't have any damage on top of that storm loses lane to shadow team pretty significantly and
His supports need storm to enable them to actually play the game
So if he loses lane, which he most likely will I think storm winning this lane is practically impossible the best you can do is draw
then SF will be full HP with a 21 and
And he'll be chilling, I think Miles can farm it up and Stormruns out of damage is how I envision this going right now.
So it's looking for Chrysalis here right now on the side of Mouth, and that SF really should just stick on mid one.
I would say so.
Parmy wants to lean the other way and put the Shadowfiend to carry and then get a more playmaking mid lane.
I feel like Chrysalis, at least in recent qualifiers, really stepped up and showed that he's a pretty strong Shadowfiend carry player.
It wasn't in his repertoire at the end of 2025, but again, January, he kind of showed it.
And I want a bit more pressure applied to the Storm.
Like Quinn's already mentioned that Underlord can annoy him.
How does Storm play the game if he's having a weak lane?
And the Underlords there, there's a glimmer on the snap.
I mean, I could see a puck for Maus also.
I mean, I think that their roles are kind of open.
I don't mind it yet.
To me, it also depends a bit on what game religion show you here.
I think if they're offline it's like very susceptible and you're happy with the SF going there
It gives you like a bit more reason to then like flex it into that lane and get a new mid if that's what you want
But I think honestly either is fine
If to me it's a bit more about if game religion can like corner you would make it harder for like mouse to find a good last pick
But they need that from what from offline?
Yeah, I don't want to see offline on the night. I yeah, no no no bad things
Oh my god, guys.
Because he's sitting by himself during this game, then.
I mean, this is fine, but I just look at game religions lineup and no one is really doing that much damage.
It's just so middle of the pack.
Chen, I feel like generally with that hero, you want some hero that is going to dish out super consistent DPS
so that you inevitably can go high ground with this one hero who can carry the game.
That to me is not Omni Knight. I think Omni Knight and Chen have pretty bad synergy together in some ways.
And Miles is just easy. They can pick either a carry or mid hero.
And they can just farm and chill, and I think that's what you want. The ability to vibe, you don't have to make moves.
You can, but you don't need to. That release of the pressure is so favorable.
Yeah, I do wonder where you go from- I mean, because Centaur is just- he's okay.
But even then, like, you don't love playing into, like, also, like the roots.
you're very low damage and we already talked about Maus, they're gonna have a couple of Auras.
It gives you a fine lane but you don't have like a super kill lane, like they're both good laners
individually and then just put together. It's like the Jokiro Centaur.
I think Maus as well, like because they see the Centaur and how passive Game of Legion being,
you know I was calling for like an active mid laner, they see the full draft of Game of Legion go
they're not doing anything, they're not making any crazy moves so yeah, sure, we'll take our
link so that mid one play his Shadowfiend and against Omni Knight in the carry roll.
Sure he's got rappel and it's going to be really obnoxious, but if you do get that one
herk on turn into a requirer from mid one, eventually it hexed down the line.
The vision that you play on, you can just blow him up before he gets to take the fight.
So I mean yeah, game elagent.
It is a line that feels like everything has to go right until like that one mid game timing
and they have to keep applying that pressure.
But the journey to getting to that point, it just feels kind of awkward as this RCY has to like
Overperforming his hero, again, like every active rune, and it's all really good.
What I do like about the Gamer Legion lineup is that I think they have a couple of ways where they could abuse Maus
like in a bit more of their early stage, like RCY having a good lane, maybe a rune, you like collapse on this lane of the planks.
Like what I do prefer the Maus draft, like once they get to the mid game, once the game is stable and I prefer that draft overall,
only to me is a bit of a question mark, so I can't like, I can't fully value or like understand the power level of the hero,
But I see the idea of the draft and what they're trying to do against the Underlord.
Yeah, I mean, my real issue is that I think so much of Game Religion's lineup is individual performance is really important.
It's not that much of a team lineup to me.
It's everyone needs to play really well and then things can work and you can snowball, right?
We saw last game, the draft's not ideal, but things can still be done and it can still work.
But it's not easy and it requires Game Religion to play extremely well on an individual basis, which I don't think is their strong suit.
If it does happen then it will be a fun game to watch of Omni Knight just running around
bonking on people's heads, not caring about anything, but again it all comes from the
lanes, right?
Like Quinn's already mentioned how Omni Knight is going to be potentially a devastating
lane for Boomb to play into.
If that doesn't happen then again of course the ball starts rolling towards Malfi's side.
Well a lot relying on the lanes, individual skill and potentially in roughly 30 to 40
minutes we could be seeing the praises of all the individuals on game allegiance.
they can make that work for themselves. But right now, Maus getting that highly prioritized
underlord for themselves, maybe a couple more matchups that are favorable towards them as well.
It really boils down to a game number three to carry on in Blast Slam and go to that plans.
Well, things have certainly swung in this series after Game 1.
I think you'd be forgiven for just expecting the gamer legion was going to walk away with
a victory one way or another, but after getting stomped in Game 2, now we go into a Game 3
with a draft that I don't know if I believe nothing to do with gamer legion's draft itself,
but the fact they gave up of the Underlord and Yammach is rocking his pudge.
Avery, this feels like Maus got exactly what they wanted.
I would agree. I don't think the Underlord was addressed enough for the fact they gave
away in the game 3. I don't think they got any direct answer to it. Yeah, on the night
might beat his ass on lane, but is that enough to justify going this route? To me, no. I
think Maus are very happy with what they got. I think their lineup is super strong together.
All the heroes have very good synergy. They're gonna have the Orcs. They're gonna be tanky.
They're going to scale like beasts.
They have minus armor synergy between the clings and SF and snapfire.
They have PKB piercing disabled.
They kind of got it all.
So, game religions work is cut out for them.
What game religion did get was maybe some pigs that caught him off guard with this channel.
And they got the RCY storm, which nobody has been able to beat.
So it is his best hero.
He's an absolute beast on it to me.
This has to be the RCY show in order to bring game religion and victory in this game through.
I'm going to disagree with you there. It has to be more than RCY show because frankly RCY was putting on a show in game two and his team was too damn heavy.
So, you know, his team's going to have to step it up a little bit more and then I think the biggest one is going to be Jamsen, right?
Jamsen's clinks was not inspiring. Jamsen's in a much more comfortable position, I believe, the Omni Knight core that has been an NA staple for decades at this point.
Yeah, who was the guy who spammed at light night 69 or something on yeah something something like that
People are gonna act like I just made that up. That was actually
Yeah, it goes back a long line it's a fighting carry it will win the lane
It'll get out to a lead my question with this heroes always
Is that good enough because we definitely see this hero just fall off a cliff in that big game
It's very difficult to get him to continually scale
like once he gets his damage online and he's ahead it's kind of what he does you
can't really punch that damage up continuously it comes in these chunks and
that is why I get looked towards the storm I think storm has to carry this
game it will not be the Omni Knight no matter how far this Omni Knight gets ahead
oh went for the cheese play but he he got read by RCY and did RCY gives him the
tip and the end which is gonna have to go to top lane empty handed no first blood gold for him
and also means he's gonna be a bit late to lane so that's not great for mid one because now he's
got he has split experience on that rcy got another deny rcy is cooking so these lanes could be a
disaster for malice that's the one caveat i can see them losing three lanes here if
if the release are able to perform well across the board.
Yeah, I think the biggest test of this will be how well
the Omni Knight actually shuts down the Underlord.
I mean, Omni Knight is an interesting pickup, right?
It's gonna be pretty useful in this game
from the sense of like Guardian Angel
is probably a very suitable counter to the clinks.
So they've got the defensive measure
and then they've got Centaur, Stampede,
to just get on top of the clings.
So it feels like they should be able to just all in commit.
They don't have to worry about the damage
that's being done to them
because it'll block out all the physical damage.
They have the haste movement speed
to get on top of the clings in the first place.
And we have seen clings really suffer
from that exact fact.
When like the enemy team has ways to get on top of the hero,
he has no way to be able to disengage.
He's just kind of stuck in that area and he fights it out.
It makes sense. I'll pay for I can kind of buy under it
Maybe Pudge hook bail out could be an issue, but there's no tough snowball save
That's a big difference between this in game number two. I
Don't believe it. I'll be right though. I'm not I'm just gonna say it man. I don't believe in this room
I'm not a hater. I don't hate bigger. I just don't believe it here
No, I think that's fair.
Be weird if you're an Omni Knight Hater.
Maybe an Omni Knight Hater from like, you know, ten years ago where support rappel
Omni Knight was a cancer on both professional and pub games.
Nobody was a fan of that.
The Omni OD patch, get me out of that, dude.
Honestly, I can't believe they brought back rappel.
just because I felt like that was such a scar on the Dota 2 community.
It's because they felt it was safe, you know?
They threw it in.
They're thinking, we can do it now, right?
I mean, so far they've been right.
On the night hasn't become a really pop-tier meta hero.
OD, on the other hand.
Where is the OD?
He would have destroyed this on the wall.
Let me tell you that.
He would have decimated this kid.
So teams are still sleeping on the outworld devour, but we'll see him eventually. I'm sure of it.
Avery has put his claim out there that OD will be a top tier pick by the end of the season.
I have never said that statement. I said this hero is incredibly underrated.
I think he's very strong. That does not make him a top pick.
No, you said it'll take a while for people to figure it out, but eventually.
That is true.
Yeah, so, you know, I gave you to the end of the season. Is that not unreasonable?
I give you a solid like nine months. I think Tinker's also that kind of thing.
Playing for water runes. Yamich is going to secure one for mid one.
Seller's going to try and take RCY's on the other side, which he does so successfully.
So RCY's left empty handed, an empty bottle, no way to drown his sorrows.
that sucks man the early game not going too well for the storm not happy with
the early CS misses a water room it's gonna make it even more difficult middle
and playing pretty damn well on this mid lane looks like mouse stepping up a bit
and this all I'm gonna do is free farming top but they've kind of just been
pulling waves so it's a sacrificial lane for mouse anyway
I'm getting a lot of sacrifice out of it, that's for sure.
Speed getting the stacked up easy camp that's killing full creep waves.
Booms out trying to stop this.
He only has level 1 firestorm, so he doesn't even clear out that camp very easily.
Stacked this?
Yeah, that's decimating his XP right now.
That's why you always gotta at least block it up once or get some other stacks in return,
Yeah, which make him the mid rotation is not prioritizing this gets a hearty creep to
Becoming a business is not I mean it was fast enough to get a spell off
But he didn't have ice bath and boom does not die to the dual breath. So
He's supposed to die there that was yeah, I missed opportunity for game religion. I
Mean either way though, he did have to TP back to base
would have been awesome if they killed him and you know build his TP he had to
walk out after dying but either way underlords out of lane not getting any
experience and he's just gonna have to hit jungle level two firestorm kind of
what he's been left with. The thing is you're trying to extract as much from
this omnie as you can. So well that's a victory you're trying to extract maximum
victory from this lane. The decimation is so hard that boomer tires you know
That's what you're looking for with the zombie pick that this guy goes back to team secret or something. Yeah, where
Mows pull a party vision and say man this off-laner really can't do shit when he's solo off-laning
Must be his baller not the four position who's grieving his lane
That's right. I feel like that was very specific. I'm not gonna bite
I mean, yeah, but he's just wandering around the map trying to hook arc see why the entire game I
I feel this is every off laner's nightmare and what they all complain about is I have
the random four pudges just doing nothing like a level two or 10 minutes hooks nothing
doesn't hold doesn't block small camp useless for position my game is so tough except this
is a pro match for elimination in a lot of the line so you can't say that yeah you know
like I understand the whole, you know, professional athletes, e-sports stars, whatever. They're not role models.
Little Charles Barkley, not a role model, but like, come on. Like, you don't have to be a moral role model,
but at least be a role model for pubs. All you are is justifying this four-position pledge.
I'm trying to get off the requiem. He gets it off to kill RCY, but he dies in the process with the death
requiem, doing the job. Big num, wishing he had an ice path still as another TP away right in front of
his face. It's another missed opportunity for Yampson. I think his whole tempo in this series has
just been off to me. Not playing up to the level I usually expect. That TP that comes in sooner,
he could impact that fight with really strong early spells. Instead, he doesn't bail out his storm,
doesn't get the kill. Kind of gets nothing out of this play and now he's giving space to Underlord
Top. Not demolishing that lane. All these little things matter so much for a pick like this.
5 in, hook back on the Anson, but Celery is still going to be in trouble surrounded by
too many heroes.
How much he can do about that, and they're going to secure a power rune for RCY as well.
The shield rune top.
A nice little rune.
You've got to keep the momentum up though, and you cannot let boom far up here.
This is illegal.
Unacceptable.
He has no TP.
He's just getting him out of here.
No TP, no mana for fiends gate.
Doesn't even have the mana to go through the twin gate.
Oh, I forgot you could do that now.
That was one of the most illegal boots I've ever seen. He gets punished.
Paid TP's away before the hook can come through from Yemmich.
So, three-man gank squad from Maus doesn't work the same way.
I mean, it's just continuing. The Maus offlane suffers.
And the, uh...
The Gamer Legion offlane, Paid, is...
Every single time I look over to him, he's kind of doing fine. He's dodging the ganks. He's still getting far. He's still lagging the lane.
Bit of a stronger laner in the early game and went that HOD, had a better start too. Didn't have to pudge in his lane, grief him.
He definitely had the better of the exchange. His dog will get sniped.
Plus 100.
I'm trying to think if you can get aggressive here as game religion, but I don't really
think you can.
Your supports just don't provide that much extra oomph to any sort of early rotation
plays.
You'd like to be killing with Storm when Maus are kind of just jungling with the whole lineup,
but Shield Rune is not the best aggressive rune.
You don't want to overextend, indicate some hook, and just feed away a kill.
So you can kind of combine Jakiro and Storm, maybe bring Omniite in those plays, but that's
the limit here in the early game.
Maus are just going to farm up.
Maybe look for this 10 minute power rune, hope you get an Amp damage or Arcane or something.
Nope, he gets another garbage can.
Yeah, not an amazing rune for him.
What do you think about Jamson's build up here?
phase soul ring and he's gonna go radiance. He's not gonna go the like the harpoon blink dagger build
That guy there builds fine. Okay. I'm just don't even really matters what you build this hero. It's just go impact the game
Your spells are the hero. You know getting this
Insane purification off
Chasing people down with D gen the hammer of purity scaling the early games insane
You have to use his kit to make your presence felt his items don't really matter in the end because he's gonna fall off no matter what anyway
Well, yes in my mind, that's why I feel like I like the
Harpoon blink dagger builds because as he said spells of the heroes to just enable
Ways to get on top of heroes as much as possible mid one
He's gonna need to hit a big Recoim here to bail on Chrysalis. He throws it. Oh, he doesn't even throw it
He thinks better of it waiting for a better opportunity all goes out from the Amson protecting his support since they get out of the tower range
Big num. He's gonna be a lot behind
But a successful gank for a gamer legion killing the clinks
So my question is you you gave this on Lord and then your omni was the big counter pick
But the Ogni and I still can't push through these Underwood skirmishes in the early game.
So what did you really achieve with this trait?
Perhaps we can push through it yet.
Okay, okay. That's fair.
But then the time has to come.
Yeah.
I mean, that should be at higher levels of Rappel, first of all.
He has higher levels for his level 10 talent, which is very important 35 base damage, right?
That's not just 35 damage for himself in the right place, but also the hand-to-hand purity is affected by that
And ratings so I think it's a little unfair to judge him on this timing right now
Okay, I'm not fully judging him, but I'm partially judging him. That's partial judgment. Okay. Oh, do you want to kill everybody there?
That's what I'm saying
Oh, do you would not have made a move period? Oh, do you want to drop the real hammer and would have one shot three heroes?
Just say mm-hmm
Either way very even game
Most of the network difference here the Omni Knight pretty far ahead of the clink
So has been ganked a few times and the centaur is a little bit ahead of the underlord
But a big difference between the storm sphere and SF and one certainly getting a lot more farm out of this game
then RCY Storm, who is once again looking for a gank here in this bottom lane.
Two-man smoke up, big enough RCY, running to Yamich, Yamich hitting the host first.
But that's going to be stopping a dismember.
RCY trying to finish him off, here comes the Klinks though, big damage, burst down that support.
They still get Yamich though, and RCY has a man who's currently down to the Dumpede.
He's going to run through these heroes, here comes the Omni Knight trying to blow up the heroes,
but one gets off the requiem.
And no rappel out from Jansen, so he couldn't stick onto the SF.
Hit a stomp onto Chrysler, Chrysler's trying to kill Fane,
But Yamson's trying to kill Chrysalis, meanwhile RCY, he does manage to kill that SF, a TP away from Chrysalis, big burst damage from Yamson.
There's the impact of the Omni Knight you were looking for.
Burst down the clinks at half HP after the deathback, and they will clean the house in this bottom lane, clear out the rest of the heroes.
That's going to be Celery dead, and they'll take the tower.
The omniscience delivers, so there's the Amish cleaning up speed on the mid lane
Don't know what speeders really doing during all that, but you know, he'll come back and he'll die
At least you get some galvanized actually to storm in the Omni Knight
He does make his presence felt some impact for me. I'm sitting with this
Strong early game pick 4-0 now. That's the kind of fight you're looking for to try and break this game open
that. I mean, I think he's
going to be able to do that.
Need a couple more of those if
you can get him. We'll be close
to radiance off that, though.
Yeah, I was going to say that
pretty much completes radiance.
So he was strong in that last
fight. He's going to be even
stronger these next fights if
game religion can continue to
force them. It was easy to
force that fight, though,
because mouse was trying to
defend their safe lane tower.
Now the safe lane tier one is
gone. The mid tier one is gone
due to speed taking that even
We'll see if they give game religion any five on five team fights
Keep abusing us on orman this guy shows on lanes beat his ass
He's trying to get a pipe, but it's not gonna do anything to stop the Omni Knight. It's all pure damage
Radiance that's true. It stops the radiance
smoke from Mal's going into mid. He much likes to pop these, you know, one or two heroes
including him. Just look for some good solo plays and wards if you can get him. We'd love
to find the storm here. That is a tough target to find randomly in the jungle. We have a
haste rune on mid ones SF right now though, so anything around that hero is going to turn
to do a great killer easy team play. He's also flying out the rest of his kaya yasha.
So shooting the extra movement speed and the faster cast animation or requiem is a real
chance to one shot somebody. But it's a game religion group up first and they have a full
pipe on centaur assuming you can get off the courier it's flying. Middle one's courier
also flying they might see this on the way back yeah it's gonna be really
interesting there's a courier okay mid one's up there somewhere but he just
snuck on by with the haste room they run into salary spawning him no jump
though without RCY they're gonna pop the stampede to try and run down these
heroes they go for the SF they really want the shadow fiend dead and they've
got him dead very easy kill the stampede just makes it so simple for this five
squad to just roll through you because as you said from the start they got some
surprising heroes they've got Chen Omni Knight so they're just barreling into
you and they're quite tanky too so they're gonna catch you and it's hard
to fight back. A six cent our stomp from fate there with the Dom creep got
in range I mean I don't know what happened to him he just like refused to
pop this haste room and got stomped in the ice path in the dead.
I think he popped his running out. Yeah, I think it ran out because I think he ran down from the jungle area with a haste room
He ran down river with it
I'm still not sure he should die there then
Yeah, like how does he end up? I guess yeah, we're now that's really awkward, but I thought it was basically mince fall on the map
No great chase down. I mean that's exactly what you want right now get a couple more of those you'll be
Cruisin' in this game, because Omni is untouchable.
Probably for another good 10 minutes or so.
Yeah, maybe even more.
He's got the Echo Saber going back for Blank Dagger Harpoon.
They're up by 2k for Gamer Legion, but this is a lineup that I would
I would say you kind of want slash need to be ahead a bit as you said the Omni Nights
going to drop off at some point so you're just going to make sure this Omni Knight continues
to win fights stays ahead of the Clinks.
RCY got a grab on a point dagger dismembered to the Requiem no ice path stops the dismembered
so he cancels the Requiem hook back on a fade who is stampeding his way through these
heroes now the stampede is gone don't wait out.
RCY like it's an amped damage rune you couldn't finish off any of those heroes the tankiness
does go kind of both ways because now we have the pipe done for boom and so their stack means
gonna be difficult to get through. Great block there with the creep by speed to get out of there.
But ultimately, yeah, Mao's just blob up and when they blob up they are fairly successful
this series. No Omni Knight in the middle of that fight. Undo a pit on that full stairs is just
just debilitating RCY. Not enough resources to stick in the middle of everybody.
Now Vanguard done for Boom, back into Crimson. And he is actually a highest net worth hero on Maus, despite his terrible start.
At least cruising. This hero just farms too fast if nothing's happening.
Yeah, it kind of illustrates your point you were talking about in game two.
It's like these heroes are going to get farmed. It's really tough to stop that.
Beautiful bit of micro there from feed and now
Back to real time with the other five position Celery. No micro to get out of that one.
Galvanized builds and damage still online.
They're looking for the kill on boom, boom, way too far forward here now, he's gonna be
bailed out by the hook, but with a stampede they just run him down anyway, in fact they're
trying to catch Gammage on top of that, who blinked himself backwards after the hook,
but R.C.Y. was still able to keep up the chase, Gammage, I mean best you could do is dismember
but you're dying either way, Gamer Legion swarmed through the top lane, take the off
lane tower and head back for the Tormentor.
They've been pretty fast at identifying these over extensions by mouse on the map.
They're not letting this underlord get away with showing on lanes, instantly jumped, bringing
everybody into that.
That's always what you should do.
You should refuse to let boom push any sort of way about this game.
Because you have the album, you can always give you the damage to punish this hero.
So that's a great series of kills into Tormentor, shard onto the Jekiro.
They've used this stampede pretty well and keeping RCY's galvanized stacks up and resources
high is ultimately how you're going to scale into that mid game because mouse
are always going to find farm here pretty hard to stop everybody you just
have to make sure your snowballing your lineup here if your game religion with
the lead you have that is how on the night will carry you to victory he's
getting pretty fat blink dagger and next is bkb before he completes the
harpoon which I kind of like just means that he can jump in even more
progressively and he can use repel on like the storm spirit or something so they can both be
Ignoring the requiem and just all in on the shadowfiend or clink
Yeah, I like this too. I think you do want to end up in a position where you repel storm in this game
So whatever allows you to do that here and be pretty happy with it
Is this is scouting guess what is I guess so maybe scouting bush hit one to Roche
,
the one who's doing that so you can do it here but
this is not an efficient rose
, some of the evidence is changing the year,
A lot of gem as well, so they're really going all in in this mid game, which I think is
correct.
This is the time where you want to take over the map, get full control, full vision control,
suffocate mouse, because on the night we'll start to fall off in that 30-40 minute mark,
no matter how far he is.
So you can run into difficulties.
This might be the part of the game where if you're Maus, you're gonna want to rat a little bit.
But
for starters, Maus isn't really that kind of team and second of all, there is still both side lane tier one towers up.
So you can't even push him the side lanes deep to even start that ratting action.
Super valuable towers when you have this storm, such a high threat.
He's just going in so well, he's got the damage.
He does have an agent so he can be pretty aggressive, but has he been too aggressive?
He's gonna come back on this line.
Amson in with the rappel, at least RCY, able to be controlled here.
Not enough damage though, mid one still trying to back away from the Amson.
and they're trying to finish mom hook in from the side
a damage trying to bail out mid one his fate instead
and so mid one does go down
RCY in his second life is cooking though
he is got onto Chris, let's try to finish up this late
Chris was hit big damage though from the burning barrage
they were stacked up three to a man
just got burned down by the burning barrage
still though RCY with a regen rune and 19 galvanized
that is what he'll end up on
He is able to finish the bike to Gamer Legion's favor, but I got a little sticky there, a
little worse for Gamer Legion than it should have been.
Especially considering they threw the Aegis away for free.
They should have worked for that a lot harder.
The region rune kind of bails that fight out for RCY, gets so much value out of it.
Kisses at the end were decimating him on top of that barrage.
I mean, the clump was pretty nasty.
I think Cristals did miss uphill a bunch though.
Initially, his positioning was pretty awkward for him hitting from the low ground, up the ramp, into the Radiance Mishance, up he'll miss.
He wasted a lot of arrows there.
How tough fight for him. The Omni Knight does go down. It's a big kill for Miles to get.
Just awkward place for Gimli to fight into this pit, into that Requiem on the choke point. Hooks are coming through.
You're getting barraged.
You're right here. This Clinkz is not doing anything.
He's just not doing much damage for the first half of this.
The barrage ends up doing a lot, but yeah, because the barrage can't miss for one.
And then Celery getting some nice kisses in there as well.
This is a solid fight for Gamerlidge.
I think every time Storm gets a bunch of kills and survives,
they're going to be happy almost no matter what happens, because he's the true carry in this game.
one now for RCY, heating up Invis, walking in. He's out in the ball.
He went for the tower there, blinks away before Fade can catch him. Let's see if this mid move works out.
Missed hook on big num, immediate grab from RCY and Chrysalis. Chrysalis with no BKB.
He's 100% dead. RCY is not even going to look at him. He looks for another kill and that's going to be damage.
Oh boy, he is. He is starting this noble, 10-1 in 6-21 galvanized stacks.
He's gonna go for Boom here with the Stampede to slow down Boom,
and the Storm Steer had so much galvanized stacks.
He expanded some mana mid, but he still has plenty of mana regen to get here to bottom,
where they will find a third kill.
25 stacks of galvanized as RCY hits his level 18 with the third level ball lightning.
This is exactly where they want to be with this lineup.
They're playing this very well now.
I think the early game was a little clunky,
but they didn't give up anything massive
that they got their timings,
and this Omni Storm are taking the map over.
Now's have no good answers
in terms of dealing with these heroes.
I love how fast they're playing too.
They're like constantly looking around the map
and being on, even setting up a solo play on mid one,
gets the ult to aim the table on him,
and RCY trying to follow it up will deliver the damage.
So that is effectively a team wipe, right?
They killed two people made one bottom then they got the SF top
There's so much gold that has been injected into this storm in the last five minutes
It's insane. He's about to have a she was if he gets to she was per as well. You throw the repellent
What are you doing if you're a crystallist in this game, I don't know
I'm gonna be the one core with no BKB for a long like you're just whoo
What it what is fate gonna do?
Cause fate was already building sheevis and that rcy wife had like an entire sheevis injected into him, so
Well, yeah, I guess that's a little awkward. I didn't get to
Screw it. I don't think double sheevis is the worst thing. No, it's not
You have BKB on your Omni Knight too now, so you can really go in with this storm and
the Amson can just BKB Blinken repel you, bail you out, and then you have Repel Storm
plus BKB Omni Knight in the middle of that fight.
Not going to care about Underwood, not going to care about the supports too much, limit
the SF damage.
That is a tough window for Maus to overcome, survive, and try and turn around.
This game is in Glamour Legion's control right now.
It's not one yet by any means, but if they can get one more good teamfight into another
of something. Hey, once again, good, how Madonna control leads off with a little mucket,
some bear follows it up with his own stuff. He's got to get out, stampede away, reset a little bit.
Trapell going on to RCY. RCY can play hyper aggressive here, but with the underlord sitting
in his face, not really a hero he can kill and he doesn't want to jump too far into the back line.
Game of Legion just call it quits back up with the power room. It's a haste for RCY.
They have so much vision around this area though.
I do not want to leave you.
Smoking back to that vision.
100% no damage in this corner.
Smoke's gonna break, Shiva's gonna reveal the two of them.
Mid-Walk BKB gets off the requiem.
But Yamson, he's able to protect himself, gets off the Guardian Angel,
so he's not taking damage to Chrysalis, and he takes the fight to Chrysalis.
Now trying to get a cookie to get Clink's out of here.
But again, you really just can't disengage from this lineup.
They are going to stick on top of you.
In fact, RCY is now looking for the kill on a mid-wan as well.
Good hook back from Yamich.
Again, it's just blink after blink zip after zip no matter how far you pull these cores back away from the enemy
Gamer legion team
They just keep on pursuing all the way back to the fountain if he be oh, I see why
He'll die inside of the button brother. Come on. Yeah, Jim it dude
That is the most any go to sequence. I've ever seen that really was
was. Ultimate chaotic chase down with some NA picks and then you somehow end up at the
fountain and you feel like you're in the fountain, don't pledge hook. I mean, that's about as
cliche as it gets. I lost a bunch of stacks for that too. Oh, it's like a game ending
fight, you know? Yeah. Then you just gave up so much with this storm death on the last
hook. Entirely unnecessary. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do, you know. Okay,
and that was not one of those situations where you had to do what you did. No, I think you
had to, I think you had to do that honestly. I backed that up, but you just got sidestepped
the hook. Sometimes you got to send a message, you know. Yeah, what message did he deliver?
And he thought it was not that baby and he thought it was still kicking.
I ain't afraid to fount and die.
He thought that he thought that found you know it was a it ended up being a two-foot
deep pool and he cracked his head on the cement but he thought that found that's the support.
He was doing handkerchiefs.
Yeah, the mouse should put up one of those signs.
You know no diving.
No diving the pool.
water. Might help up in both pubs and pro play apparently. Celery, maybe a second victim
here. Is the Underlord really want to go through this gate? He's going to go through.
But without the Kleemps, it feels like they're lacking in damage right now. Yancy, easily
able to undo whatever they've done to fade with a simple purification. One turns to two,
turns to three kills per game or Legion.
Malz, the one's lacking damage now, as Cleans can not help but enough DPS to deal with these
heroes.
Just so much sustain.
And it's lined up in 30 minutes.
You have Greese Lock at Chen, you have a bunch of Essence Rings on these heroes, you have
the Omni Knight Heels and Repel, you have Double Sheva's Guard for armor plus that pipe.
It's so much to get through.
Especially if you can't kill heroes quickly, which Malzah really is struggling to do, so I have really came together.
Gonna get another Aegis here, throw it on R.C.Y. and let him go to town.
a big problem for mouths at this point is the fact that they cannot get a jump in initiation
to even have a chance to blow up a hero right away.
Right?
It feels like you're always going to get off Repel, Guardian Angel, if Gamer Legion are
around each other.
Maybe they can get picked apart if they split up too much, but frankly I don't see a real
reason why Gamer Legion would need to do that.
Even then, they have Stampede, they have Handicawd.
Yeah.
They have four staffs and double four staff on their supports.
Stampede, lead the way!
Sitting on a Ward Century, great lane ward.
Great heads up from Gamer Legion.
Knowing this thing's gonna be trying to wrap around the map.
Have a little trap set up for him and they get an extra kill on Celery.
And Tormenter's right there.
Boy, everything is just so efficient
for game religion everywhere they go it's kills into objectives into more kills
and they get the centaur shard that's a nice shard
it's all rolling out 20k gold this game is completely out of mouse's controller
they're gonna have to land some insane hooks on the high ground
maybe another couple more of those found hooks or something
because it does not look like you are killing game religion anytime soon
too good of a storm game in the end baby
he's gonna buy out in the hags the centaur who's gonna buy out a shard is
now going to wait oh no avery
oh he did it huh he bought the shard despite get this isn't one of those like
oh I bought the shard and then I got the shard from torment or oopsie daisy he's
He straight up bought the shard after he got it from Tormenter because I looked at his gold and said wow
He was gonna buy shard, but now he can almost buy a weaver for his heart. So there goes 1400 gold
Flush down the drain
Okay, 700 gold then
Tor you just keep it that's it's a message
Yeah, drop it on one of the enemy team
Slip it into somebody's inventory. It's just if it's the lore, you know cuz
What is centaur's lore? It's all about double edge. So you need two shards two edges
The feature of that's not more. That's just fun
No, that's lore. No
That's just word play
That's deep door to lore
Okay, what is double edge have to do with the centaur stories, please? Nobody knows that
Nobody knows that what the lore is too deep Austin. No question. What are wrong with you?
All right, let's see game religion if they want to go higher on here. They have ages. They have the storm eggs
They have the double edge double shard. Oh my god
Glimmered that he's in from the harpoon pullback. Maybe this is a little bit too deep here for game religion
They're not going to be immediately punished until oh
Ooh, maybe if the hook had landed.
That candy cane.
Not thick enough.
I need a little more.
Gotta worry about the, okay, nice smoke.
RCY says I have a regen rune.
I'll zip around on you guys and ruin that one.
Get the opening for the hook.
To save the snap fire, but boom.
Left inside of all this one.
They give it the glimmer cape, give him the cookie.
Trying to get him out behind the tier four.
He's still gonna die.
Just mep her onto the centaur.
He's not certainly gonna die.
Mid one, gets off the wreckwhip.
It's a decent Rikwin, hits a lot of heroes, but doesn't do enough damage, man.
RGY is dead.
Everywhere you look, it's Gamer Legion, just a warming hero after a hero.
They all look pretty healthy.
It's pretty much a back-and-die for RGY.
He gets his redemption.
Killing Crystal is something you do have to do with Tula.
I told you, you gotta do what you gotta do.
He gives them the chat wheel at the same time.
He is just dunking on them with this storm.
They gave him his Siggy, and I bet they regret it.
Absolutely owned this game 30.
It's so much help behind him.
Like, that is what really catapulted this pick,
because the Storm didn't even get out to that good of a start,
but it's a good Storm game, and he has so much support behind him.
Multiple heals, multiple bailout spells,
and repositioning tools with double force fast,
the MP, the Repel, they can always go into him,
But GA a bit like, it's just so much to protect this guy.
And the only way he could die was to fountain.
True.
Almost over 25, he's got 34 galvanized stacks,
Parasmas she was done, amp damage in the river
if he wants it.
The man is crushing it.
And I think even more important,
this game for game religion,
Jamsen this game three compared to game two
It's not even close right. I think he was like one and seven on that clink here. He's 17 and one
Yep, this Omni night pick
Has worked out quite well. He's looking at the
The luxury items now the upgraded blink
Why not?
And damage plus level 25 for our C wine
I don't know what you're talking about. We were talking about the intro for these two teams.
You know, Gamer Legion, I called them a very solid middle of the pack, squad.
But I think what's really cool about them is that I feel like they're getting better every time I see them, right?
Just incrementally, not like massive big leads, but it feels like every single time I see them, they're just a little bit better.
Both back on the mid one
BKB TP hot for him even then the physical damage almost over well Sam almost died to the Parasla inside a fountain
I think if you pop the activity she kills him there
Perhaps showing some mercy underestimating his own strength, but of course you have Megas here
You just go for the throat
Well 25 storm with those bounces plus the shard axis absolutely nasty. They're just gonna force it
Yeah, there's nothing Miles can really do about that as long as Comrade Legion is pressing their buttons.
Even the fountain may not be able to save them. It gets the kill into the Centaur, but it's still a 4 versus 3 with a buyback from the Pudge.
Alright, another unnecessary push into the fountain, but that is the style that they want to deliver justice with.
And look at that first damage level 25. This is the peak on the night here plus 75% hammer
of purity bonus base damage. That's it. And his base damage is 257. He's hitting damn
hard and that is mouse eliminated from blast slam. Gamer Legion will make their way through
the last chance playoff. Man, what a performance of them today. Showed up in game one.
It seemed like that series was slipping away from them.
They gave them the underword in game three,
but they had a game play for this Omni Storm.
They ripped through that aura hero.
It made them look like Minceme.
So an impressive, like, strategic and ideal win
in this game three that they executed well.
Like you said, this team continues to step it up.
Question is, will they be good enough for their next opponent
they've made out of the last chance playoff?
But now, tomorrow, it's chance for plans.
I hear we don't see very often you see underlord you go to the deep recesses of your mind and you find a spicy counter pick and you say
You know what? YOLO commit to the bit and you pick on the night and you chat up
You pick storm into underlord and RCY cooks like these ambitious dark chef. They were on fire and I respect it
Yeah, I mean they had to do like all the small things right again
The small thing that they struggled in game two in game three. They didn't want that to linger on their mind
They had to make the moves cleanly and yeah after like the fifth or so minute mark things
clicking everything starts feeling online and you could easily see of course
when you have Centaur Storm Omni with items it is a very you know unkillable
boob so yeah very cool draft to get online mouse not punishing it at all in
the early you know you see the greed that they have in game of Legion but I'm not
seeing any kind of conviction any way to try and punish that and yes game of
Legion eliminating mouse yeah I think mouse didn't really find many connections
like of their own that they would have liked they just kind of sat back where
I feel like Gamer Legion, I wasn't too sure how strong this Omni is, but like Quinn mentioned,
I really like that they did man up, look for this counter pick, make it happen.
RCY, there's a reason he's undefeated on the storm.
I do think they understand this hero quite well.
Even when he goes in, the Omni will back enough.
Centaur has Stempied, you're going to have some auras, you have Speed on the Chen as well,
giving you the divine favor, Hand of God, Guarding Grease and anything else that they have.
So overall, I think that Gamer Legion were maybe a little bit underrated and also disrespected by Miles.
I just feel like they didn't really show up here, but I like that game religion just like made it happen
You know they manned up even if game two was bad
I feel like they had a good reset came into game three fresh and just made it happen
Yeah, I definitely like what you're saying where maybe they're a little bit under
Respected you let through the storm which is being phenomenal for Aussie why and you think yourself well the counterplay here
Is we just kind of sit in mid and we just try and make sure that we shot him down early game
No, and someone like RCY who is a storm specialist, he now has proven that he can play from behind
at Storm.
He can still have impact and it isn't just him on Storm that has been winning these games
for Game Legion.
Everyone else in their respective roles stepped up as well.
Yeah, I mean, I'm honestly, I'm not just impressed by, I think he's a good laner and
he's an individually skilled player, but I think he is clutch and I think he's a player
that doesn't get fathered by stress and pressure,
like I think you can look at his,
like he zips over the Shadowfiend ult,
like things like that, you don't do that
unless you're locked in these little moments.
I see like the way he's zipping the spells he's dodging,
he's not fighting in some klutzy stupid manner
and playing like a macro game.
His micro is very precise and he is like clearly locked in
and making actives, like that little stuff,
when I see that I'm like, okay,
he actually has potential to be like a real true mid player
at a high level, you know?
It's like when they're killing Boom
and then like he's zipping for the pot, right?
Like when he goes to the hook, he's not looking at the kill in front of him, it's like, I've already done my job here, you don't need my damage, I can go and do something else, like, not every mid laner always thinks two steps ahead, they're always thinking like, I'm gonna kill his mechanic, he's great, he really is always thinking.
So again, RCY, we've said it from day one, the standout player on this roster, again, in spirit heroes in pot, you know, it's like there's a clear hero pool for him, but when it gets on them, he does shine.
He's doing really good. I think both him and Thailand are pretty big standout players, especially when it comes to the younger players and also the mid players of the tournament.
But I will say that Gamer Legion as a whole, they look quite clean today.
When we looked at some of the other days and some of the games that were played, the mid game is messy or this happens.
But once they're ahead, they were doing it really nicely from start to finish.
So that is giving me actually quite a bit of confidence. I've never felt as good about them as I do today.
Hmm
it's such a dice roll. You pick up the Omni and you're either standing here being like, guys,
it's an elimination game. Did you really think that was the choice? But instead, we get to be
on the better side of that NA history and say, God, elimination, and you picked Omni.
I think when you chat up and it works, it's so sick. And I think also, like, in some ways,
I think it's good for the future. Like, I think it's good to be okay taking risks. Yeah. To not
be scared in draft. I think also, like, when you exert your ideas, then in the future,
people will see that like oh they have this response to underlord we can't black pick underlord they
can pick omni look how this game went right like in general asserting yourself and your ideas in
draft like it does a wonders future like later on in the tournament so if they intend on going far
then believing in themselves and their ideas that whether they've screamed this or not i don't know
that's that's really important for a long run i feel like you do need to have like more ideas though
because if you do this again i don't think teams are gonna be picking to carry clinks having the
the mid-shadow fiend, a farming underlord, and now it's like, we want to farm your farm,
but then Omni bulls up into this timing, right?
Like, I feel like, there may be, Mouses didn't really truly understand the big timings that
Gamelidge and I haven't played, because I think just putting the things in carry to me,
it's like, you're just too AFK, you're basically trying to be like, the better team overall,
and they just weren't.
Yeah, and it was also like the topic of the like, chatting up with like, the hero, I
think it's not just good against the teams that you will play against in the future,
but also for a team like Gamelidge, I mean, I don't know about their confidence levels.
But when you do this, whoever made this call, maybe it's Yamson, maybe it's the coach,
and you make it happen and it feels good, it gives you also this confidence like moving
forward that you can break the script, get out of the flow.
I see this, I want Naga 24 pick, I'm going to carry this game.
One win like this can really snowball this type of feeling.
You've spoken to them a little bit, Clint.
So do you think that that confidence is going to carry over like Kezu was saying, or is that
maybe something that then a personality should read into it?
It's already talked about it on broadcast.
I wasn't there before.
I didn't get out of the little bottle.
I didn't get out of the big circle.
You got to help your region a little bit.
But no, I think their team has been together for a long time.
And they've been actively working and trying to improve and stuff.
And I think they believe in each other a lot.
Like they had multiple opportunities to break up.
But people try to go play in Europe.
But they've decided we're going to stick together,
whether we have an org or not.
And I think that's very admirable.
And it's not an easy grind.
I tried it for a long time.
And I eventually gave up.
They haven't given up yet.
They're still working on it.
I think they're on a good trajectory,
and I'm really impressed by them,
and I hope that they can keep that improvement going
and keep working hard and learning,
because that's what it is about, right?
You need to keep improving,
because they're not a tier one team yet,
but they are on a good path.
And like you said, they are the best now that they ever been.
Yeah, they just need to continue being a sponge though.
That's it.
Like, continue taking in new ideas.
Don't get this like little mini ego,
where it's like, you know, we've made it.
We're getting to do it.
We're doing it.
There should be no ego on this team,
because you've not won anything.
And I'm not saying they don't have one to be clear.
Like you can't fall into the trap other teams have done it in the past where they kind of get into their moments
Like oh, yeah, we're beating this team. We're beating that team. We're making it. No. No, you need to actually prove yourself again
They're not like that yet. I'm just saying don't get carried away preemptively
PSA that is appearing here. Like what if you hear this like yeah, we're making it
We're the best we've ever been, you know, it's like then you go to your head and see you back
I don't think they care about us. No
I care about you guys haters because they hate us. They hate us because they hate us
Okay, on a scale of 1 to 10, how happy would you guys say you are that NA is 1?
That they're going through, not eliminated.
Like a 6 or 7.
I mean, I personally, I just, it's good for the scene, but I personally don't care that much.
I think what I, no, take it away, take it away now.
What I care more about is that they showed me that they played well.
well like they showed us good daughter I liked what they were doing I liked their conviction and their confidence
That's it. That's it. Let's do it any region other than like Eastern Europe Western Europe doing well is your paper daughter
About Europe. Yeah, I hate Europe. FCA go try and win essay go try and win and they
Dusty try and go and win like there's somebody try and win to disrupt the flow of
of Dota 2.
Well, there are still plenty more chances
for those regions to show their face.
We already know that OG and SEA team
has made it to the semifinals.
So you're not going to see them on this playing bracket.
What has occurred, though, is one of those regions,
you mentioned, T. South America.
Heroic got the dub early today.
2-0 against Reconyx, which means they now face up
against Tundra to look at a spot here at Malta.
With Gamer Legion and A's win,
they're going to come up against Liquid.
Of course, as well, four more teams that didn't play in this lower bracket last chance qualifiers.
However, you'd like to coin it was just Yandex Spirit, Falcons and...
XG!
You...
My T.R. finals run back.
Oh, damn. Pretty cool series and Falcons easily can lose it by the playing.
Let's go, bro.
You know, when they're playing, though.
Uh, tomorrow, in the evening, I think.
Do you actually know that, or did you just guess because it was a very good guess?
That wasn't good to me!
This guy's good!
They had an experiment in the morning, oh my god,
and then in the evening we got the banger, that's the main one.
Really? You don't even care about the end experiment?
Sorry.
Newspaper's in the paper.
Alright, you just heard me talk about the whole European lack of care.
I don't mind it, I appreciate it.
China! China!
China! China! China!
What a chocolate!
Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
La-bixie-de-de-de-de-de!
No, I just want... I don't mind XD.
I feel like XG, they just ruined everything last year and hold the whole Chengdu game.
Cut us off, please.
We're meeting Michael, who doesn't say anything.
He's the other day.
There we go.
Alright, come on.
He's throwing stuff.
He's throwing things and I'm going to throw to the close of this show because it's been
a very fun day number four.
We've seen two teams go home and we're going to see two more tomorrow go home.
So see you for day number five.
Blast them.
Slick.
Blast them.
Bye.
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