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Good morning, it's day number two here at the block.
I'm going to be a host now.
T for the morning and joining
me is the immensely verbose
Queen Callahan. What a what a
warm welcome. Hello. It wasn't
supposed to be. It was actually
supposed to be really
derogatory cold bitter
hateful spy could feel the
vitriol in your word. Yeah,
there it is. Really only took
two sentences, didn't it? Just
throw it in an extra. I mean,
you were you were baiting me.
I was throughout the line and
I'm like, all right, I'll
take it. Yeah, T and Kaiser
will be joining the death
Yeah, Tien Kezut will be joining the desk later on today. There'll be a swap halfway through just as there was yesterday for those of you who were watching and
Maybe some of you guys weren't watching which means you missed all of the best of one action
There was 22 of them across two streams. So let's look back and see what really stood out above the rest
Also could be pretty nice though, Chikroy.
And Reconyx, it was a much a good fight from them in this opening game.
But they will ultimately fall.
He wants the Rampage, he's gonna go for the Walkamela.
Try and hit that Stampede, two main stomp, and Yatoro's in trouble.
Half HP trying to bail him out with an ice path.
A little bit of focus fire damage on Emike.
We asked her to run away.
We got the magnetized, we up with the yoles.
It can back into the team and Yatoro will be hunted down.
Tyrone's been caught up. Bostap away, Arena's time's far too late. Tyrone's already dead.
No flyback on the striker. Which one of the bots is gonna step up? It's R.C.Y. Rubensheep.
Oh, thanks to end the game!
A good old save coming in from the ringmaster, Shield Rune keeps him alive,
and he's just gonna stand in his ground. Here comes the brewmaster. Is he just
blinks aggressively? Takes back Dora, then his blasts and space fades,
singing his songs to try and keep his team in this but a huge avalanche.
On your board, I spat the macro fire onto three!
Pass on it, an avalanche, another ice bath, it's a full team like me.
What?
Uh, season again, man!
This time it ain't a farm map, but it's a full map, and it's a pretty good full map as well.
As he takes out ready, sanatorium with the damage, they'll get to let us someone to ruin!
Because one managed to, so I have to top that spike, but now got the juice he's left vulnerable!
The high ground ward is what they're gonna be pushing into to hear the bison's gulping!
Oh my god!
That bottom minus over being put on and off of this razor, the razor with its ultimate is
Going to work here, Tylong jumps in and just dies like that.
Gonna go through the A-Town, down to the Cree's throne.
Is exposed! Free for the taking perhaps as her own.
Just go all in for it with I-
Oh, that's fucking really good.
Great, it's blocking a lot of damage though.
It's blocking a lot of damage.
We are not able to fight this throne at all!
This energy may...
That's a quick kill.
Now it's...
I'll be able to kill her.
...so it's just being on the engine.
They gotta stop Ame!
They gotta stop this Alchemist!
Alchemist just made it!
It's done!
Extreme! I've made the comeback!
you want to put them into the standings. You could say technically.
Not even watched over 13 years.
On December, you got OG and Nami and extreme gaming at the top of like a
group standings there. Then you go into Tundra, you got game, a legion.
That one's not really reminiscent too much. But then you go down Falcons again,
not too reminiscent, but liquid and mouse kind of being in that middle of the
pack. I feel like that's that is older daughter. That's like roughly 10 years
It's like all off the day one of groups
That's what you do like they're the middle pack and they're hanging on and they fall out
Oh, I was gonna go the other way they kind of like pull up pull the rabbit out of a hat
I mean the the the miracle liquid yet, but there was the liquid before that or whatever
It was like I X Mike and stuff. That's like yeah, whatever like to
No one remembers that fall back real mean the Pope is on his feet
You've been definitely on the reminisce the nostalgia train a little bit
We're going to talk about what is happening right now.
And it's sprinkled with a little bit of nostalgia, right?
OG topping the standings there for themselves four and no.
And I want to tell everyone, because I've
seen some comments floating around where they're like,
is OG really back?
Like, you know, it's an SEA team, bit of a question mark.
Like, is this just luck?
Let me tell you, luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
OK, and this team is prepared.
We didn't know, because they didn't play any qualifiers.
So we came in with no information at all.
But they're definitely prepared,
because they beat the likes of Liquid, Yandex,
who just previously won the online tournament,
Maus who won a land in the last couple of months,
and Game of Legion, who ended up taking a couple of wins
for themselves one notably off the Falcons.
Yeah, OG is the real deal.
They're incredibly legit.
And I think they're also really,
no, they're back.
They're absolutely back.
They're a legit team.
They are an incredibly good team.
And I think they're also impressive
because it's not just one person standing out
and carrying the rest.
I think they are very cohesive.
I saw some screenshot on Twitter of Adam posting
they're like white board of the schedule for the day.
And it was like very regimented.
It was like we go to gym at this time
or they're coming together and they're spending a lot of time
together outside the game.
And I think that's a really good sign,
not just necessarily the regiment,
but also that they're intertwined as a team.
They're spending a lot of time with each other
and they're committed to the bit.
They were clearly practicing in the off-time.
They weren't slacking or taking it as vacation.
They were working hard.
Which is not that anyone was insinuating, by the way.
No, of course not.
But I think it's good to see that they were really grinding
during that off-time and they come back even stronger
than they look before, right?
Last, last slam, they were upper middle,
and this time, starting off day one,
bam, first, that's something, I'm impressed.
That's true, I do remember it as well,
where the way that they had their exit interviews,
it was this weird, we could see the drive
and the passion from each player that was giving it,
but they were consistently top six
and it still felt like this will never be good enough for us.
Like, it was almost as if we were having
an exit interview with them,
that they went out in the bottom of groups.
Like, that is how determined this team really was.
You have a magnificent day number one.
Of course, it is still yet to see,
will it continue for a day number two for themselves?
But I truly think the way that they were playing yesterday,
it isn't just this, oh, you got lucky with opponents
and you kind of eeked out some wins.
They were really good wins, no matter what.
And some other games that really stood out for us,
one most notably towards the end of what we saw there
with our replays of yesterday,
was extreme gaming up against Tarot.
Did you have to watch this one at all, Quinn?
I saw up until like 40 something minutes
and then all like most people and then he closed and then he closed the tab, I went to bed
and then I woke up and somehow XG won.
This heroic team, they're not all there yet.
I think they've looked better than they did in the qualifiers this tournament so far,
but the fact they threw this game to me is crazy and I think Kyle Lung in particular looked really shaky in this game.
He had a couple of really bad feeds already over extended for no reason.
And I think that shows that he's a very young player, that he's very talented.
the way he pushes up, not like walking forward instead of walking backwards.
I've been impressed with him.
But I also think he's not all that in a bag of chips yet.
Like, Maureen, I think, when he was coming into the scene, was like,
he was stomping everyone you could tell this guy was there.
He was clutch.
I think Tylong is not quite at that level yet.
Who would you most like in him, too?
Because he's a new player, and of course, I don't want to ever say,
oh, this player is like a replica of another player.
But sometimes you need similarities to paint a picture, right?
right? So who would you say currently in the mid lane era? Is he similar to him?
Um, I mean, I think him and Niku have similarities. In some ways, I think I'd say he's a better Niku.
Oh, okay. Like, I think...
Like, a D.B. Hero pool, or just the way he plays.
I think he's a better laner.
Okay.
And I think his early game is more consistent. But I think both of them have these mid-game inconsistencies,
and that's an inconsistent graph.
Well, I mean, it's consistently going up right until the end.
I was a 26 and a half kick gold lead towards heroic at 53 minutes.
Extreme gaming had their ancient exposed no tier four towers and all for themselves.
And at 56 minutes and 40 seconds, actually win the game.
So in the span of three and a half minutes, it goes from having no tier fours for extreme gaming to them winning against heroic.
Yeah, I mean, so much of that comes down to practice.
Like there's structures you follow for a late game like Falcons is a great example.
example, they just squeeze you into your base, they form like 16 quadrillion K goal lead until like
they have 14 tier 4 items and then they go thrown you, like in a way that's very simple and easy.
And I think you need to follow a structure like that because things can get messy, you get a
little stressed, people start buybacking in a really bad way because they're panicking,
oh we need to fight right now! And then you lose the fight and then suddenly you get thrown.
Finally, you just lose it, that's it. I've been there.
the game. We had a mega creeps
and we had mega creeps. We had
mega creeps. We had mega creeps
over there. When at the Bali
major, we lost that two and a
half hour game to quest or
something where we had mega
creeps, and we had mega
about that. Yeah. We had
mega creeps for over an hour. I
think and we lost after that. We
watched the replay and we're
like, Okay, here's the
structure. We do this every
game, no matter what, and it's
served us well for the rest of
our time. One thing I always
quote from you is like late
game is a different bit. It's a
different style of Dota like
And we had a couple of long games yesterday.
I think the biggest one actually started off our B stream.
It was Tundra up against Reconyx.
I am going to say that name right today.
I felt really bad that I said it so wrong yesterday.
But theirs was, it was a 72 minute game.
And this one, hopefully we also get the graph later,
but this one was just so interesting
on a plethora of reasons.
It was a similar story.
Tundra really just taking a lead.
Of course, Reconyx trying their best to stay in it,
play the pure slot give us and take it is my ultimate take away from what played
out to be a seven two minute game. Yeah he clearly likes this hero and he owns
some games and there were other games where he was not owning on. I think a
lot of this game comes down to experience. You're playing against some TI
winners. You're playing against veteran season players. When it goes to distance
you have to just feel like the upstarts the new team is just not going to be
favored because you're playing as people who have more repetitions in these
stressful situations and I think also playing against even just 33. I think it's gonna make
them a little tense a little stress because he is this legendary status player and I think
that can make you play worse. Yeah, this is also Megas vs. Megas. So I think when you
get to that point as well, sometimes you're pushing the envelope a little too hard to
be the first team that gets Megacrypts. Like when you're both down to essentially let's
say one lane of racks or even just one racks, you're kind of willing to be like all through
my life away if we get megas but then if everyone on your team is all in for that then you're
just making a silly high ground push and that I do think is what was the ultimate undoing
because at 70 minutes there was an amazing amazing fight from the side of Reconyx where
they actually ended up getting a 10k gold lead and that was the first time at 70 minutes
since the 13 minute mark that they were on the advantage there and then it was just yeah
I think trying a little too hard to be like this is our only win or our only chance instead
of doing what you're saying, the disciplined, just squeeze out the map, just corner them
to their base, elongate it for another 10-15 minutes.
Yeah, I think there's a pretty big misconception, I think, with some of these weaker teams of
we're trying to do everything right now. We need to win right now. We're going to kill
them all. And generally, lakin doesn't work like that. You kill one or two dudes, they
buy back. Okay, we're chilling. And you, over time, over 10 minutes, you slowly kill one
or two dudes, they buy back, they freak out, and you're inching your way towards that win.
you just versus buybacks you just can't win all at once it's just not realistic I
Do think I have like a misunderstanding of buybacks to some degree because I always think whoever uses buybacks first
You're gonna you're more likely to lose the game
And I would say by a large margin. Yeah, you're 80% more likely to lose the game if you buy back first
So it's almost a game of chicken of buybacks. Yeah, you you don't want to it's it's very very bad
I think people also buy back too fast in fights
especially in these late game stressful fights.
There's some big, you know,
big team fight going down and you die
and you insta buy back without even thinking
and the enemy resets.
I think the really great late game players,
your Toros collapses, these guys,
they will wait for you.
Are you sure this had team spirit?
Well, those two guys, I think,
stand head and shoulders above the rest,
even on all teams.
But I think they're in particular amazing at that
because they wait until just the right moment.
You cross some invisible line,
you don't even know who's there.
They've set a trip wire and as soon as you pass it,
bam, 100, zero, you're dead and they go throwing you.
and it's, I think, teams should learn from that.
Watch the goats.
Well, look, if you do want to watch Spirit,
they are playing this morning.
However, it's not going to be on this stream.
They're playing over on the B stream up against Yandex.
So they're starting day-to-day off pretty good,
but I'd say ours is rivaling for just as good
because we have Tundra up against Maus,
but there's 11 best of ones on both sides.
So I know there's a lot of information to take in here,
which means that Quinn has to do the tough work
for all of us watching
and pick the one to stand out best of one for today.
Okay, I actually think, so I put liquid in my game
last day yesterday and I think I'm gonna put it
on my food again.
I think it's Falcons.
That's right.
I read your mind, I knew exactly what you were gonna say.
It's so predictable.
Because this is the series that matters a lot,
but it's two shaky teams.
I think Falcons have not looked great this tournament
so far and liquid has not looked great for a while now.
And so I think seeing those two teams
and who's getting it together on day two, right?
who's finally writing the ship.
We're heading in a normal, reasonable direction.
We're fixing the problems, because I think
we need to see that from both of these teams.
They are both on 2 and 2 as well.
And I know they will dive more into it later on
when they do get around to playing.
But it's different levels of teams
that they've either won or lost against,
which kind of feeds into what you're saying as well.
But that one's a little bit later today.
You guys are just going to have to stay on this channel
right now, because it's a rolling schedule.
It's just going to come quick and fast
with all of these best of ones here.
And so let's start it off nice and strong.
Tundra up against Maus. We got to see three best of ones from Tundra yesterday and same with Maus.
So they had their three best of one days. Most of the teams had their four best of ones.
Yeah, I think they're, these are both very, very strong teams. But I think Tundra has an edge on
them due to the way the bands work. I think this Tundra team is incredibly good at figuring out what
you want and banning what you want. They ban heroes that no one else really does. They had a game
earlier this tournament where they had a last phase off-lane Phoenix band because they felt like
It was the perfect pick for the situation.
I think they're great at pulling that out of their pocket.
And I think this mouse team, they're actually in a bit of an unfortunate situation
and that Razor is really broken right now.
And you want, when you have the specialist on the hero,
you want it to be slightly less broken so that you actually can get it.
But Razor is his first phase ban for every team.
So Crystal is the fact that he's the goat of Razor.
He doesn't actually get to take advantage of that
because everyone's banning it every game.
And so it's kind of sad when the heroes end up too good in that certain situation
that's a really good feeling
and I'm really excited about
the next game of the year.
I'm really excited about the
next game of the year because
now well, you don't get to
play it. I know it's a play,
but I'm better than you at
that here and that that feels
really bad. Yeah that that
would feel you know a little
icky there and I know
yesterday we were talking
about. Go Leshrak players,
okay, and you said that you're
willing to put a couple other
players on like an A plus
level, but the only one that
sits on s T level for you is
the mid one Leshrak. I don't
want to back it up here
was playing. I do. He was playing Leshrac. That's also one of those ones where Leshrac
isn't necessarily thought about for a lot of teams to either pick or to ban, but that
is going to be one of those things that I think Tundra is going to be looking at quite
closely for themselves. And then, you know, yeah, they like to play through mid one a
lot on the side of Maus. How is that going to come to fruition with Bans? Is Chrysalis
going to have, you know, a semblance of a hero pool when things that he specializes
in is taken out, like you've already said. Yeah, the Razor, the Shadowfiend, those are
both first base bans, right? They're not getting into the pool. Chrysalis has been playing
those heroes a lot. He's very strong on those heroes. And I think the mid-bands, how early
these heroes are banned is really interesting. I think we could see a first phase Lush Band
and a first phase Invoker Band from opposite sides.
Okay, yeah, actually, I could see that. Invoker one, definitely.
Yeah.
Has banning it away from Tundra.
Because I think part of what makes this current meta really cool is there was this period,
at last blast, with these Naga Sirens and Timbersaws, and you had to ban the same heroes
every game. It was kind of snored. And I think right now, there's a little more flexibility.
I think the band order has been changed for in a good direction.
So I think teams can be a little more creative and a little more fancy with their bands.
And I like that a lot.
Okay, we'll see just how fancy these teams are going to get with their bands,
maybe even their picks as we have our first best of one for day number two.
It's Tundra and Mouse.
and I'm going to show you how
to do that. As the draft is
getting underway and both teams
are still in the early phases of
banning. I want to bring up a
couple of stats, mostly around
just three specific heroes
because yesterday they were our
hot topic. Largo a lot of
first phase bands yesterday in
the earlier parts of the days
right now. Really? It's not bad. It is the ass, yep. So I think, you know, you were always talking about it, sometimes meta's change overnight, right? Not drastically, but something like this lago might not be sitting in that first phase ban for a lot of teams anymore. We might actually see it ease up. The other one that's pretty interesting is Beastmaster. It got picked up four times yesterday, lost all four of them. So O and four for himself. Another big hero that has kind of always dangled one foot inside the meta. And now it's just one foot inside the meta.
lingering, not really there for a reason.
Yeah, I agree on both fronts.
I think Largo, people read those stats, right?
People look at day one, they look at Dota buff
and they see, okay, or Likipedia and they see,
okay, this hero had a really bad win rate.
Maybe lean back a little bit.
I think both these heroes will definitely be the case.
The Beastmaster, I don't even really understand
why he was being picked so much.
I think the hero was a bit on the mediocre end.
And I'm surprised that Shadowfiend goes through.
Now the heroes they're banning are very obnoxious heroes,
but Pure had an amazing game on it yesterday.
He did some crazy magic into right click build.
It was bizarre.
I've never seen it before in official.
But he was cooking.
And I think he's also just a great Shadowfiend player
in general in periods where he was like playing mid
and pubs and stuff he played.
He's a great mid Shadowfiend too.
So I'm surprised they give this compared to tree
or something.
Tree is a strong hero or bats a strong hero,
but is it the same as a Shadowfiend?
I don't know.
I do think it's one of those things
that an SF can be quite susceptible earlier on,
depending on what you draft,
whereas a tree as a support will always have impact
with his invisibility, with that shard change of his.
And of course, his big ult being able to just lock down
everyone and either give you a Vade
or give your time team to collapse in.
So I kind of agree with the tree over giving an SF.
That's fair.
And I think Shadowfiend is a hero that,
while it is very powerful because it's a strong laner,
And there's a lot of fives right now that pair well with it.
It is a hero that can be countered.
And there are a lot of carry matchups that are good against it.
There's stuff that we've seen OG pick a couple times,
like the Darkseer, that is very good against Shadowfiend
as time more time passes.
But they respond to Leshrac, which is not, like,
it's fine against Shadowfiend, but it's nothing crazy.
Like, Lesh won't really interact with Shadowfiend that much,
because S of his carry and Lesh is mid.
And it's not like Lesh is super good at ganking Shadowfiend.
It's simply just, mid one is the goat lash.
Yeah, that's all it is, right?
So we're just gonna pick it.
So those things are like, okay,
we're probably gonna have to blind pick our mid,
no matter what, into Tundra.
Like they like to keep their BGM hero
into the very last pick.
So you either leave mid ones pick
until the very last mouse,
but you still might not come away with a hero
that actually wins that mid matchup.
So pick something you like, something comfortable,
something that you won in 15 minutes on yesterday.
Yeah, 15 minute wins, actually crazy.
Especially in Spirit, a team that drags games out,
they really make you work for that win.
Dude, that ego is gonna be through the roof
on your Lushrack right now.
Mid one is like, no, I'm untouchable.
He was zero deaths too.
That's what I need.
He was so good on that Lush.
Yeah, no, he's awesome.
And I think he's also the first person I saw
sort of pioneering this griefs first on Lushrack,
which is sort of the, what everyone goes now
when they do play that hero.
He was the first one I saw picking it up.
So we'll see what they choose to accompany that.
Shadowdeam is just a great hero.
And it also, I mean, it's the classic support duel
from, I don't know, 14 years ago or whatever,
but the heroes pair very well as mid and support as well,
because you place the disseminate on them,
so we does extra damage, and you stack form,
which is super nice, not to mention
that you have disruption into stalling.
So if those heroes are walking around in the jungle,
they have, you know, they have very good kill threat,
unless generally want someone to help them
add that kill threat in those sort of
early to mid game skirmishes.
What does Shattered even kind of lack as a support, right?
Because normally you want your second support to make up for whatever the first one lacks,
but what exactly does Estin need to back him up?
I think the hero often times wants a frontliner or someone that is a bit more beefy.
He's very much like in the early game, there's heroes that transition in what they do.
Shadowed him in sort of one of them.
In the early game, he's kind of a gank or a setup hero.
And once the early game passes, you can't start with the disruption anymore.
You become very much a backline hero who needs to play behind people.
And so I think he's looking, I think a lot from his off-laner to have some beefy dude
who can go in, especially against the tiny.
If Estee moves out of position, you're instantly getting tossed back, you're just going splat.
And so there's a lot of onus on his off-laner to be honest, that's stupid of a girl, I think
they've been talking about it.
Yeah, I think to enable his shattered demon and his less track to be able to pick and
choose their fights versus what is a lot of damage from Tundra's lineup.
I mean, then the bans in hindsight are really good from Tundra, right?
tusk, like you said, someone who's fine to initiate jump in, maybe protect that ST or any other core,
and then pugner as well, which doesn't really fit the same archetype, but it's very much a safe hero.
Yeah, I think it would somewhat in some ways be similar to the Shattered Eman. Like they could
have picked it instead, and as a hero that enables Slashhark in the early game in different ways,
you make him much tankier, you give him all this HP that allows him to run in,
you can do crap against the Shattered Eman, right clicks, there's some nice dynamics there,
And it's also hero celery is very comfortable on
Tundra with two bands targeted specifically towards celery. These are not general meta bands. This is these are celery bands
And this is what you're saying Tundra do so well, right? Yeah, it comes to Bandy and Drough
Yeah, they have a very clear reason for this day. They definitely feel that okay. We think these two heroes stand above the rest
We're gonna ban these and your next option is not good enough
I think they're particularly good at figuring that out
So we'll see what what miles responds with maybe they have that great third option and and maybe they don't
Should we talk about the rock in the room right now? The tiny pick?
Yes, it's an interesting one.
Is it a core? Is it a support?
I'm pretty sure we've seen it in multiple roles right now for Blossom.
We have, but I think it's most likely to be for this game.
Somewhat surprising, they pick it like this.
It's a hero some teams have prioritized pretty heavily.
It's dropped off a little bit in terms of priority. It does pair well with Shadowfiend.
I think that's one of the big reasons they picked it.
You've got a Shadow Fiend, you've got an Evoker, you really want a melee 4.
If you've got a range 4 on top of that, then the way your skirmish is play out can be very
awkward, so it does make sense that they would want some starter, some stun to help their
Shadow Fiend right click.
He needs set up so we can actually dish out his damage, so the synergy makes sense there,
even though it's maybe a little unusual.
Logo is going to come in, I've read up those stats before, but I'm just going to refresh
everyone's mind. 2 and 6 is currently what he's sitting at with his win rate, but he's had a lot
of bans towards himself. So when it comes to bans, he's at a 50% ban rate across our 22 best of
1. So 11 of them, he's being banned up. Eight of them, he's being picked. And he's only one, two of them.
Interesting. I think there's a sort of a cool identity clash in this game. If you look at
it's not a lot of team fight, it's a lot of skirmish and a lot of sort of tank ability.
They've got saves, they've got heals, they've got auras and Leshel by the Greaves, they've
got, you know, the strumming of the guitar, they've got all this stuff.
And Tundra is sort of, we're some damage bros and we got a stunning guy, you know, it's
like team fight and it's dishing out the damage and so there's a clash of tankiness
versus damage, teams choosing different pathways sort of in the draft and will Tundra actually
have enough to cut through this enchantress, this Largo, or Will, you know,
Mouse. The issue is, if you go for a tanky draft and the enemy can cut
through that, you can have a lot of problems because you've put all your
eggs into surviving and now you can't, so you got no eggs.
And then you do have to factor in at what point are some of your heroes
stailing. And I know Lesh does do some good damage early on, but their last pick,
I think it's really going to have to make up for a lot of that and Centaur is now what it's going to come out for
The side of tundra. So they're also, you know, maybe just go for an aura bro in the side of Centaur
Yeah, makes a lot of sense and you know, we talked about the tiny four one of his big weaknesses
He's kind of a crap laner. So now you've got Centaur who's great at surviving. We saw that in which series was it yesterday. There was a Centaur
Anyway, there's something we did the the game of Legion one against Falun
Yeah, that's right.
And he got the helm dumb,
Fade got the helm dumb,
and he was able to stack the
recruit waves for himself.
And whilst he didn't,
he pretty much came out neutral
in lane against the oppressive
Jekiro Abba,
and then just got to thumb up
the storm, and it was so good.
Yeah, I think that's the ideal
for Tundra this game,
and I think the rationale behind
it is you just want some dude
who can survive.
Tiny's not going to offer much.
You're not trying to win this lane.
You're just trying to get by.
You're trying to chill for him,
and Tiny will look to gank
and pressure other places.
So, Centaur pick makes a lot of
sense.
helps us tiny a lot.
It's a lot of good synergy there in terms of the early game.
I do think it's interesting.
Miles giving Crystal his last pick.
He's not typically a last pick player.
He's generally a first pick player
or at latest the second phase player.
I think he has oftentimes a slightly smaller hero pool.
And so when you give him last pick
to smaller hero pool players,
you can sometimes miss out on these fancy cute
specific game options you would get
someone like a toro or someone who's you know more accustomed to having that later picks. I'm
curious what they're actually going to go for here. I will say that when I look at the bands
there's only really like two heroes that were targeted towards like you know that were taking
out of his hero pool up until this last phase where it's a husker and a monkey king which is
literally what I was going to say and then thunderband it. Yeah they they know what they're doing
and they've also played with chrysalis so they know I think his hero pool especially WoW
I think it's going to be another support on the cards, which makes sense.
I don't really see it in a Voka, a Centaur or an SF fitting into a support role.
So we're probably looking for a white man hero.
They've taken out the Chiru, the clockwork.
Morana was played yesterday by him.
He went the leech and bounce bastard.
That one looked fantastic.
That was that 70-minute game.
That was a really good game.
I think it's going to be a great game.
I think it's going to be a great game.
I think it's going to be a great game.
that was that 70 minute game
those so you had a little bit of time to get the Marana online.
Yeah, I'm not Marana is
not great with Shadow Fiend in lane.
Generally, Shadow Fiend wants someone a little beefier, someone, you know,
some setup, right? So we can dish out those raises.
So you've got a good lane combo.
The tree is banned. The clockwork is banned.
Even Jekiro has slows. Tusk is banned, right?
A lot of these typical heroes you would go for with the Shadow Fiend are banned out.
He's got what he's played recently dazzled shaman. Not sure if it's bringing
Bring anything to the forefront for you shaman's just kind of crap against Largo
I think because he just cancels your shackles with the whatever the hell you use
Yeah, the frogs stopping yeah, they do for the Marana
That's super cool who ever said that.
It's a good shout.
I think one aspect of Marana that is really good is it's a very good Moonlight Shadow game.
When you're playing against lineups that lack catch, that spell can be really powerful.
It's going to be the bear.
It's a classic response to Centaur.
Pretty powerful lane in the Ench Ursa, so I think it's going to most likely be wave dragging up here.
And Maus, I think this also rounds up their lineup pretty well.
They wanted a hero that could initiate, could start fights, because they don't really have much fight starting outside of that.
But they've got great skirmish, and I think they have great potential to run this game over very quickly if they get the ball rolling.
And so I think, I kind of, I like their, their identity. I like this, this draft and this style.
And I think it's a lot comes down to execution is Maus on the ball.
Can they play these lanes well? These lanes? These lanes well? Can they make good early rotations?
rotations and if so, then I think this could be another really fast game where
mouse snowballs and looks awesome.
Ursa are a surprising number of bands yesterday, eight bands.
And I know we have 22 best of ones, right?
So it's like, when you put it in perspective to that, maybe it's not that many,
but I'm surprised that it had eight games where it was banned.
And it wasn't just last phase that we would have seen a band.
It was early phase two.
So what is, what is Ursa giving, not just in this lineup, but also just as
a hero in this patch right now?
I think it's just a scary hero for a lot of heroes to go up against.
If you lose your lane to this hero,
you can lose your lane insanely badly.
And it's not just you lose a little bit.
It's you get totally stomped, and then suddenly you lose.
Tormentor, you lose a row.
She kind of gets the objectives for free,
which is one of this hero's big strong suits.
So I think it's definitely a hero that has its place.
But he will get kited quite hard in this game
if it does go longer, right?
You're playing against Ampede, and the workhorse eventually.
You've got a lot of kiting from Tiny and Invoker.
You've got Moonlight Shadow.
Like there's a pike on SF.
There's a lot of tools to kite in this game
if Tundra does get online.
And so I think Miles is very much committed to the bit
in some ways in terms of tempo, tanking up,
and playing that faster paced game.
And you can argue that's a bit of a worry against Tundra
a team that's great at stalling out, at getting farm.
It's practically impossible to stop 33 from getting gold.
So there's questions there about can they actually execute?
But if they can, I like the theming
the drop. I think it's cool. Look, it's both sides, right? It's not like Tundra are this
normal Blast slam unstoppable team. They did have a loss for themselves yesterday. So there
are ways to be exposed on the side of Tundra. Maybe Maus have the answer, but either way,
taking up and trying to get a fast game is what they need to succeed in this best of
one.
to see these two teams go ahead
to head. We saw a bit of
tundra ourselves just down the
stream in the morning. They were
a bit shaky in that one game
yesterday coming in here. First
game of the day. Day two. Look
at their lineup. Do they think
they're going to be a bit more
solid or you're concerned for
them against mouse? I'm not
be a bit more solid or you're concerned for them against Maus?
Maus has pretty much all, some of their strongest heroes I would say and I really like what
Cooner's talking about about tempo. I think that's just, I think for Maus that's just
the name of the game almost every single time for them, right? I feel like they'd love to
play these quick games, try to set the pace and there's definitely some greed you can
say on the side of Tundra, there's an Exord and Volker, they have this Duel Melee Offlane
that has the full lane so, Maus could definitely put some pressure on in this game. I'm just,
I'm gonna preface everything with a lot of the game, I will say, I'm gonna watch
I think, you know, some of these players have shown some weaknesses on the Largos, not to say it's going to lose this. It's his fault or anything, but I just want to see how these players are doing because I didn't get a single Largo game yesterday.
And this moment that we left, Largo got picked every single game or something, so.
Yeah, but it was good because it was getting banned a lot in the morning. I mean, just the question is with Largo, obviously we're still a lot of bans. Then it did start to get through in a few games as what Nat said it ended up being what, two and six on the win and loss by the end of the day.
Do you think we are going to get to see it more because maybe at the start on that day one, it's still with this hero like, oh, we need to ban it, then it starts getting through and then it's like, okay, well, maybe it's not as OP as we consider, we can deal with it, we can play against it, you know.
Well, how much focus are we going to have on this hero in the drafts?
Yeah, I mean, I think that stats definitely matter. You know, teams always look at these percentages, etc. If a hero starts doing that bad, you definitely want to start to look to prioritize other things and maybe something different.
Yeah, I think we're gonna get to see more of it. So I don't know if we're gonna be happy about that or sad about that
But I'm happy about it. He's fun to watch even if he loses
No, sir, let's see what he does so in terms of lanes, of course
We've got what boom and damage on this lago SD duo against the safe lane SF and pure backed up by that the white mom Marana
Of course coming through is that last pick. Do you do sort of see why they would want to get the Marana in the draw?
As that last pick is he just come foot for white mom because it's one of his most played
I think it's just a super strong hero at the moment inside the most in the five position
But I think you can flex in some games the variety they can do with the facet is really nice now
People are actually experimenting with the leap and bound, but it's just the trading of star storm in a lot of games
I'm seeing these moran is get to three star storms often team fights and it's a lot of damage
So besides that of course moonlight shadows just a really good spell
so I think that's the other thing that's just always gonna put this here on favor and
And, Mack is cheap. So, really good natural build for the hero right now.
So, interesting thing I want to point out is looking at some facets that I didn't expect at least.
33 went Counter Strike.
Usually don't see that one.
No, true. We get there with the strength, the movement speed, one there.
Yeah.
But, uh...
Okay.
It's interesting.
So, yeah, let's see.
You don't see people taking it, cause you usually end up like you, you kinda kill yourself.
You hurt yourself quite a lot with this facet, I feel.
true because yeah the increased damage you're also taking on the cost yeah I've
tried this like allows him to burst through what some of the enemies when
they're easy he's kind of turning on them getting the double edges out or
indeed if it's gonna sort of end up in his own demise and ends up sort of
causing himself more issues yeah I mean what they're looking at is like a
tundra once they get to a point they have some pretty absurd damage right
like their heroes are all gonna just naturally have a big burst nuke from
Pretty much everybody
But they have to get to that point because I do think mouse has a very good pace setting draft
I'd like that. I see mid one. He's gone for a chronoptic embarrassment this game, too
He didn't end up going for the misanthropy and I think the reason is probably because of setting tempo as well
Not just about you know killing heroes, but this one you can push towers top
Now Susan good damage up being traded by white one. She's playing super aggressive leaping in getting that root getting that star fall down
On to two of them keeping them both pretty low and ensuring that they have the space
So you get that first Lotus here in the safe lane for Tundra
Really like this. This is a very strong and potent aggressive safe lane here from Tundra
As a part of the burst
We're seeing it's an insanely strong hero, but then yeah with the pairing of the Marana. It's safe
Yeah, and because you can go for the bit with this obviously is mentioned with the faster
Well, you're setting up with this freak that little bit of extra setup might just mean that that extra
You know second raise is able to connect from pure exactly
Yeah, you can do some fun things with the lick here. So straight
Nice attempt
I'd say you're not quite on the mark boom ending up going the other way we'll manage to TP back to safety
And then like the link gonna be disaster though, and we already talked about how Largo struggled right if he's gonna have no lane
We'll see what the recovery outlets gonna be he does have a shadow demon who will get some stacks going right and maybe there's some
There's some slight difficulties because there's an invoker on one side to contest the stacks
But we'll have to see because it's definitely gonna be a slow start for that Largo although the other show things are doing fantastic
around the river. He's trying for a bit of setup, but mid one already well on his way.
Yeah, because I get the question, so with Largo obviously as the off-lane hero, how
important is sort of the outcome of the lane? Well, when you're playing this hero in the
core position on the off-lane, like, if you do lose the lane, is it like, uh-oh, game
over? Or it's like, it will be okay, there's ways to recover, still have impact from behind
if you have a slow farm start?
I think there's slow waste back. I think it's very dependent on the other core heroes that
You have to play with and you can maybe even pivot your build which I don't say I wouldn't say you always want to do
But let's say you do have an atrocious game where you're this off later and you're forced to play more
But can send me support you can maybe get a pointer to encroach because you have a lash
All right, if you didn't have lash
I would not be saying this at all
But the fact that you have the lash maybe you can do some different pivots look the same
I do think that he can definitely get some stuff to catch back sure because yes so far both off landers having sort of a similar
a bit of a slower start 33 pretty much the same CS right now as Boone's finding on the
other side of the map as the Lago. So both of them having a bit of a slow beginning but
we'll see which one of those that ends up kind of costing more for in the long run.
Mid CS so far, mid one very slightly 27 and 6 here against the 23 and 4 BZM and looking
at both carries having a pretty much exactly similar time 29 and 11 up on pure on the safe
FNSF and on the upside map, 28 and 11 on Chris's list.
So all in all, especially with no first blood occurring,
there's a pretty fun stop.
Let's see what we can get around the mid.
Travel the center, peer at the disruption.
BZM should be pretty dead.
Nothing can be done, surely, to save him.
We'll turn around the cold snap.
We cannot stop the three of them taking him down.
As they group up, you know, they want to get that first blood.
It's five minutes in.
It's not an early first blood,
but it's one that they see the opportunity to go for.
And around the six minute room,
They can set up for getting that power room secured here for mid one.
I'm surprised that Ari's not there.
I got to be honest with you.
He was looking for some type of play top.
Maybe blocking camps.
I didn't see exactly in placing a ward, but this is the way mouse plays.
They'd like to enable mid one.
They'd like to double rotate.
This is a celery classic.
The double support rotation at six minutes.
Take the tower.
I think this could have been maybe a little bit more prepared for Ari.
Just perhaps not as prepared as possible.
Yeah.
I mean, that's pretty much.
Yeah.
You've just ticked off three boxes right here.
First blood inclusion with the mid getting involved take down the enemy mid getting the tower getting the power in I mean all happening
There's six minutes pretty ideal same time up on your top lane pure and white one
We'll manage to get the setup and get in with the raises to burst through boom
But yeah this sort of opening up from the mid lane at miles. It's just been able to get away with
We'll see where it goes from here because they could really start to get the ball rolling
We'll see how Tundra can try and slow them down
We'll have to see. Let's see the movements they end up coming out to. Look at this wraparound.
Eyes on mid one always when there's match games. He's coming in with the Sarkam rune.
They're going to get the set up here onto Pure. Try and turn here with the burst. Pure's going to go for the wreck.
He will get it off. Doesn't matter. Pure's already dead. Now Aryan dropped Whitemon. They'll look towards Yamach,
but Bavari spells already both on cooldown. Looks like Whitemon will be able to have it here with the leap forward with the roof.
So they'll still get Yamachan return, but again, that's pure being taken out.
Some lovely little plays there, Senorita Wildwing, Ripper just sort of dragging pure back over.
There was the rest of Maus so they could take him out.
And they keep that tier one tower safe.
That was a really like smart sequence of two minutes or so, right?
They've wrote in the double supports mid, they prepare, as you mentioned, take tower, kill, ruin, pressure.
In a sneaky type of maneuver too, it can be angle.
So that was very, very interesting play there.
As you've seen Mao's do a lot in these early games, and I gotta say
Maybe should have been a little more prepared right since salary
I've seen salary do this for years now, especially when he's playing as enchantress that's six minute mark
So let's see how they do adjust on the Sun's Thunder with the now first
So you've been getting involved to see chrysalis has treads. He's looking even pressure since the SF is
A bit vulnerable of course in the early game
All right
We're going from the set up here, combo into the arrow and the Sun Strike.
It's not enough burst, and I'll tell you what, it's not even close to enough burst.
Not even.
They get Celery out there.
He's going to be back up to full HP with the heal.
I mean, those set up, they've got to feel a little bit of rough, right?
It's one of those sort of stories that I feel like we're going to see so many times in,
and we have seen so many times in any game where there's an Enchanterus, right?
It's so easy to throw a lot on this hero and not quite kill him.
We're going to try again, potentially, here with the Stampede, the Avalanche.
This time, they will get the kill.
But definitely not one that they're getting for free. They're having to use quite a lot just to kill the Celery Ench
Yeah, I think we'll see we'll see a lot of heroes skirt away at times
But I think in this game also Tundra has put them themselves in that position
What Queen was talking about where it might just be overwhelming damage in some situations
There's definitely a lot of sustain on the side of mouse
But with a Sunstrike which we're seeing PzM even prioritize the extra points in Exort not the double
Forge Spirit he put that fifth point in Exort. This this the burst damage time
Avatar, Star Storm plus Sunstrike, most heroes will die, even with the heal.
Absolutely, he's gonna get amped up of course with this Chyre and the Meteor Hammer Rush.
He's going for it on Invoker.
I'm seeing this more, honestly. I've been seeing this quite a bit more.
I just love the port of these pubs. It's a BZM thing, I will say probably, but...
I think anytime you're playing some sort of like spell cast that just pull out magic damage, finding an excuse to get the Chyre nice and early, it's always a great thing.
So you're like, hey, no, I don't wanna meet you.
I mean, all the cataclysm is a later, like later.
Cataclysm is just gonna be, especially if you get to whispers, right?
You get whispers, you get kaya, you get cataclysm, same, so.
Let's see if he does get it.
Ari?
He's spotted.
He's, yeah, he's a little fair bit of trouble.
Boom's coming in from the other side, so there's nowhere for Ari to run.
And maybe he can deny himself the ancient, it's not gonna happen.
Seller gets the lost, but damaging, that's Ari dead.
And Miles are in position to start cleaning up these stacks.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to see what he's gonna do and yeah
Weapons did actually remind me so we can even talk about like old soup, right?
Like we used to see the meteor hammer on the cross wax and look right like tops in it
But this was interesting to point this one as it's an excellent, right? So it's just it is a really cool
You're not really gonna be casting your meteor hammer
too often probably
Yeah, I guess just the top of tracks and just how it doesn't get a moment
But yeah, I mean, I guess obviously he does have pretty good stuns around him
And he's gonna have to speak for his farm of course as well here with the hammer
but yeah finding the opportunity to use it actually in combat might be difficult
and I mean you don't have that natural setup yourself with standing still as an
invoker definitely doesn't ever feel very good
that's the easy mode of opening just pressing meet your hammer and some
strike and yeah so far that's kind of what he's doing it's working out those
strike this time gets the kill it gives you a lot of what you want besides that
spell amp we do have to really have to talk about it's the mana regen right you
You get a lot of in so if he is just sitting in the jungle and they're making moves with avatars plus the star storm
He will probably always have the mana to keep saying him nice little stack. I saw that
I'm gonna say little cute tornado stack there from BZM
Very nice. Yeah, there's definitely gonna be mana right? They'll be able to have that mana available
but sometimes Exord of Voker has many issues early
Pressure coming in from mid bottom crystal is as they'll look towards the bottom tier one tower
I've used the Moonlight Shadow here on Tundra, maybe just sort of scared of Waymouse, threat of any sort of setup.
Chris was not too scared at all, continues to punch in on the tower, has the progress looking on the battle theory, not too bad.
Just a few rounds of gold away from that extra broadsword and then into this Quelling Blade.
So who loved that sooner than later?
I'm pretty surprised, even though it's like 33s not playing versus a stun lane,
it was just like an Enchantress and a Ursa and they left the lane right to pressure mid.
Still how much he's got. He's level 8, 4k net worth. He's on his way toward that bearing.
The build that we've been seeing more and more people doing this off-lane, just bearing into Aura's.
Interesting. He's gotten quite a fair bit. So he's just a little bit ahead of that Largo.
There's been getting a lot of rotations to kind of help him, and the Centaur's actually ahead, so.
I'm up top. I've been wanting damage. We're seeing if they can maybe catch someone farming the ancients with this smoke.
Got the maximum if you want to continue trying to set that tempo with this lush
I'm thinking down top of pure they could try and just all in on him underneath this tier one tower with the back of the
Celerion boom
What?
They're gonna spot him out in the trees not quite able to get the full set up though
Turned out to Mordari how time to report that they want to do about this
Do they want to bring in any backup already?
I got it off pure trying to get off the requiem but the disruption comes into place
That guy will be there, but the stun connects and pure, he cannot run from this, he's dead.
I mean, it just seems to be some sort of slight lack of preparation from Tundra, right?
We saw the early mid-play from Maus, Tundra didn't really manage to do anything about that.
Now these sort of top plays, around a tier one, sort of an area to map that I feel a lot of times is pretty easy to defend.
They're not able to do anything to keep their carry safe. Tundra, they're bolted.
I think it's I think the mid one with the avalanche with the tiny they can do I think this top one's a little harder contest
Is the greed that we were talking about with the eclipser now they're making the rotation with three heroes okay?
They would assume yeah, he's very long
See good set up there from BGM with tornado into the combo the mid one is gone
So once the earlier moves dive the tier one worked out pretty well
They overstayed their welcome a little bit of a mouse boom on the run the ice falls down
Yeah, BZM, you know, he's had enough.
He's ready to start getting involved, making these moves, joining the team,
and ensuring that he's ready to use his powers as the invoker to shut Maus down.
That was a beautiful tornado combo.
Looking for another.
I might just get it.
They've got the toss.
Yep, yep.
He's in on a damage.
Sunstrike is coming in.
BZM picks up another.
Oh, goodness.
Here he goes.
He's ready to go.
He's like, you take my tower six minutes,
and you kill me with these, you know, 500 heroes that you bring there.
But beyond that, I'm gonna kill you.
Oh my- He's ready.
And I would say Maus is a lineup, which wants to be setting tempo.
I don't think they really want to make these type of mistakes too much,
at least in this early game, versus this Invoker.
He's two components toward agonims now.
Very early on in this game, was a meter ever.
Oh, I got the stampede for the set up here on the mid.
TP's are coming in, toss into the requiem, that's gonna blow Mip on up.
And they'll even throw, okay, it wasn't gonna be M-pause,
because it was that's his mouse pause. I was ready to be in pause. No be in pause here today. Head set.
So I mean this the team fight combination that we now saw like back to back to even with the snappy this
time around now we're seeing right the skirmishing for mouse they want to be setting tempo but they
definitely have to be careful if this invoker has the mana to start turning up which it's level 11
he's extremely high level can actually start showing up and setting up with these tornado
combos for his attire to get closer.
I mean fighting into this evoker is going to be very hard right until they have some
sort of key items on the cores that's going to allow them to really get in on top of him.
Tense to be like Ag's Largo and then that's for most lineups when you play Largo right
it's around that Ag's timing but I think that actually kind of slows down what Maus wanted
to do with this where they wanted to really set this tempo.
They kind of have right this 15 minutes they've taken all three towers but that fight lingering
top has pretty much stopped any of that advantage that they could have kind of
gained. They still have the other towers, except for that top one. But Tundra likes to hit creeps.
I'm doing a pretty good job of that. Top network right now is pure on the SF.
And even though he had those two kind of early deaths outside of that, it's been, you know,
the farm, of course, the lane was perfect still from him, and still obviously finding good involvement
in these fights thanks to the control of his teammates around him, which is obviously only
going to continue. There's going to be a lot of ways that Tundra can ensure that Pure kind
of has the freedom to step up in these fights, get the Requiem off. You know, before he
has anything like a BKB, it doesn't matter. Tundra has to have that much stun and control.
Diving him for him here. Swipe stacking up. He's speedy though. He's actually fast enough.
And indeed he's able to run away from this one. So 33 gets out of there. The attempts
of Yamach and Chrysalis and Celery will not succeed.
They still know he's staying around here low, because the way that Tungus is playing, he's just kind of a little avoidant right now.
But the SF comes, cleans up the wave. And Kira is doing the same build that he did yesterday, so pretty interesting.
This kind of semi-hybrid type of build that the Yasha Kaia, but then pivots to physical.
I like it. I like it. I think kind of, you know, making sure that you still get that cut sort of Kaia Yasha build in, even though you are going to...
Rightfully. It just ensures you're always going to have mana to farm right with the raisins and such.
and such. Look at that bit of rude awakening here though as he walks up to the high ground.
Chris is catching him by surprise. He was not expecting them to still be around here.
Walk straight into them. They were set up and ready for that one. And they're on mouse.
Big one.
He's got the SD behind him. I like how Yamage is playing. Honestly, I've been a big fan of
watching Yamage for quite some time, but him on this game has really found his
always is in the right place at the right time it feels and when he's playing his saving heroes especially this SD and his task are insane
Yeah, I miss the saves are gonna be so crucial this
Going to go and lock down and damage tundra have to throw down on targets
Already see the guy coming. It's time. They're gonna be able to finish him off. Can't run away this time round
Now with the numbers mouse grouping up again trying to pressure the tier 2 the fortification will come out from tundra and
And BGM is in the neighborhood, not quite having the Agnes super close, 250 gold off the Agnes, 17 minutes in, it's going to be a very fast Agnes timing, BGM ready to start the defense.
That's the set up, what Wingworth, but will tank the arrow that was coming in for Celery. Will Celery be able to save himself with that little bit of micro?
That was a cool pressure play though from Malus. So I was saying they wanted to maybe wait for a lot of the timing, but instead of doing that, they actually just pressure elsewhere while Boom catches up and gets that Agnes finished.
So a pretty clever kind of pressure play for mouse that they want to be doing right because they want to continue to set that tempo
That was really smart the way they did that killing the SF lingering for the centaur. They knew he was gonna stay
Go ahead for these sort of five man objectives with these timings. It's gonna feel pretty good, right? They're stepping to the pit
They're ready to try to enable crystal this of getting the rose shan cataclysm coming
Yeah, yeah timing is that axe timing could not be better
Here for him, but I don't know if there's any drops in time. It's going down quickly
Somebody's got to get in there soon!
They're not ever to stop it, it's already gone.
Roche, Shantek and Aegis picked up,
and they'll go straight away aggressively over to Wuzari.
The Tornado will come in to hold that christeness momentarily.
They've got the staff beat in on Ice Cream,
and who's done for 33?
Jumped off from White Mountain.
They still have to be careful, Tundra,
fighting into this five-man and Mowz.
Chrysalis and Mibba care about their Wutman.
They get the ultimate off at the Requiem.
They blow up the Aegis for once,
and they take him out a second time, Chrysos.
He's doing the Mrage at the ready.
He starts to stack up the swipes onto 33.
Dust out as well onto the center so 33 on the front lines, he isn't a bit of trouble.
He's got a hoost up, won't be able to get it off in time though.
For instance, Johnson finishes him off with Pure stacking up the raises.
Yamage comes in with a defensive disruption onto Chrysler. Pure just back in though.
He's able to finish off the job taking Chrysler down.
Tundra standing strong and ready to try and chase him for more.
Look at the toss forward.
Launch as well onto Bimba.
But it was pretty beefy of course, pumping out those heels.
BZM though tries to disrupt him with a tornado into the meteor hammer combo.
Have they got enough damage though to take down this frog? Boom!
Phil Stannix, he's trying to chase BZM down, just running him out of the fight.
He'll get the frog stuff into the catch, he's just chasing him down,
strumming his guitar. BZM, he's not bought the airclots, he's dead! Boom!
Stunned down, takes him out. I mean that's some classic Largo gaming for you there.
It boom was having a great time. I'm sure he had a smile on his face the whole
and the whole sort of ending of that fight whilst he was chasing BZM down.
Oh my goodness this long fight you can see Tundra's patience of waiting to go
and poke and fraud and wait for these record plays with the frog. The long
fights with the frog really start to add up a bit of an over commitment. A toss he
threw his SF in also kind of a questionable one from RA as boom the
timing has been hit. That agonims we're gonna see the power.
Yeah that's crazy. So silly. Once he gets to the timing.
That's the tier two going in the mid. Oh Ari!
Two man have a lot of under toss back on a mid one. That's a good toss back.
Mid one though. Heels are they enough to keep him alive and not hit the sidecite?
Cunzim, PCM's able to take him down and Altaj is ready to chase down another.
So a level of sort of those situations where in a mouth they get an objective but they don't quite get it cleanly right.
You know, they don't get a quick enough to back off.
They end up losing two arrows.
And indeed, Tundra, they're on their way over.
I mean, Chris got sex, right?
He's got the lasting presence, so they want to keep building
them up, probably.
Yeah, Chris has got to get out of here.
Yeah, they can't get out of here.
He got it.
That was a little bit close.
And he got him.
OK, all right, BGM.
All right, BGM.
He's there.
He's ready to play.
He's at his breakfast.
He's sunstroke.
He's moves.
You can't run from this Invoker.
Point's there, right?
Why'd they get it?
Why isn't it bad?
I think that's what BZX also said,
he's like, why did they not ban this?
Holy crap, dude, eight, two, and three.
He's landed, majority of them,
and he's doing the build.
I love this build.
You just go for the, yeah,
Ags into the Glypnir, your AOE.
Yes!
When you hit 20, these meteors, I swear,
people just die and they don't even notice
whether you're getting hit by these meteors.
They've been in high-level funds.
Yes, that actually AOE feels phenomenal.
Well, still my biggest sadness with Dota 2 when they moved that
T's nuts blood right or whatever it was to the tier 5 and we can't get it early anymore.
I love the AOE. I wanted to, every game,
gliding it into picking that tier 3 or whatever it was back in the day.
Why did they move it to 60 minutes? Stupid decision, Valve, please fix.
We need the AOE.
The second we saw that item added, everyone knew this was going to be the most
broken tier 4 neutral ever. It's just the AOE on everything.
AOE on it, it's just amazing.
Everyone needs more AOE.
So why do they have to take it away from us for 60 minutes?
Anyway, back into the action, smoke up from Maus.
Regent Bod.
Let's see where they go with it.
They have pretty big timings.
Yammage has a blink dagger two to reach for the saves.
Boom has his agonims.
They've got, what, level three croak now,
mid one, eight hosts.
They tank here.
Oh.
If they find BGM, obviously, that's the huge count.
You can take BGM out of the fight,
and stuff from Preston all these cataclysms.
That's gonna be the dream way to start a team fight,
but obviously as it is, now,
BZM is not one to get caught out,
always in a very smart spot,
far away from any sort of danger.
Pure probably watches BKB before this next fight, too.
He's pretty close to it,
versus that Lash would be incredibly useful.
I love the song.
I've been playing this hero so much
I know exactly what he's doing every time
I'm not gonna get anything with the smoke
Who taught him?
He's gonna lose his courier
So that'll be the dragon lance postponed a little bit
33 is that 300 HP?
Are you really dead?
What? He's gonna stop me?
I mean BZM will not be saved so that's...
Yeah, well, yeah, that's Dead Invoker
And yeah, the 33 nearly losing a battle there to the neutral creeps. You know what it was. It's the rabble rouser
It's the enchantress
60% damage and dude he was getting his ass beat by those destroyed
Okay, and they found BZM the prime target in the front line BZM has to be very careful with his positioning
Since his only real bailout I guess to see if he sure he's got some toss back
It's the stampede for now.
Yeah, and that's the funny thing. I don't even know if he was stampeding for BZM.
I think he was stampeding to get away from those neutrals.
And the BZM's like, ah, I died, but I appreciate you stampeding for me, bro.
And 33 is like, oh, yes, I did do that for you.
I sometimes forget about it.
Neutrals are about to kill him.
Like, it's really important to point this out, this ability,
because that's what, like, a lot of people forget about this,
and you really do see people starting, you just start dying to neutrals
when you're not able to, like, pressure on the map
and you just start farming neutrals as behind.
behind it. It can be pretty horrifying.
Take one. Shieldrun. Full glide clear.
Subtle that.
Tundra.
Do they want to go on an Enchanter? Just they do.
Towers back into the cataclysm kill the enchantress and they will another turn of
course chrysalis chrysalis put the back up there ready to walk it off the red
miss there from BZM didn't catch anyone with the tornado setup this time
miles are able to split if he hits the ammage there they probably might even
fall commit because shadow demons one of the prime targets you want to go for in
these fights they're still moon like shit moon and shadow but they're not gonna be
able to look for anything else there so just an enchanter skill
I've been very close to the BKB, so I mean then it's going to be kind of hard right
to kill him in these fights.
If he's popped the BKB, he starts pumping out his music, getting those heals going.
You know, who wants to really spend time right clicking the Lago?
You don't, right?
You know, I feel like Pure's going to have other priorities in these team fights.
Like, Lago's going to live, and if Lago's living, then his teammates are probably living
as well.
Yeah, it all depends if he gets caught by a stun though, right?
If he gets hit by an initial stun, he's gonna be able to keep running, right?
Yeah, they have to catch him before he pops it, yeah.
Then keep tabs on where Yamage is, because Yamage can bail people out of the, you know,
whoever gets it, ideally initially, avatars or something, Yamage could potentially save him.
Great.
Dead one, that's found him.
Oh, no, he's got the setup there.
He's lighting there.
He's rupturing as well on 33.
He's pretty tanky.
He's not tacky enough to withstand the bear again and on top of been crystal is coming to him with the swipes the bashes
No chance of running away 33 is gone
This is a natural
Situate you just ran into him. He's not hello there. He's probably smoking pie
No, no close game on the numbers 13 to 16 less than a 1k gold difference right now I
I, what would you say now? Is this mouse achieving as much as they would have hoped for at this point in the game? Or is this Tundra getting the game to be in a point where they're like, well, BGM's having a great farm. Pure's having great farm.
These two, we're going to be able to take it late, farm the map out, take the game in the fashion that Tundra like to do so.
I think Maus would maybe want to have a little bit more, but I think that all things considered, not bad, right?
I think sure they want to get a little bit more ahead here rather than let the game slow down to the point for Tundra.
But this Ursa is very farmed, so...
Ursa's can win games by themselves in a way, so...
We shall see which one it is, especially since that QM vs the S-Up.
It's a BGM in Volker that just always can make the difference. You can never really count it out in any way.
getting both of the lanes shoved out quite nicely, BZM bringing in the mid, pure white
ones starting to bring in the bottom lane up to tier 2s whilst Maus, they're all in
on this pressure on the one lane up on the top side, if they should be able to get away
with this tower, they were, sorry Maus, able to again just continue to group up to look
for these objectives, but it's not without giving the space for Tundra to still sort
of match, you know, how much sort of pressure they're finding on their own
half. Exactly. It's two T2s that are probably got to go down to that one
T2 pressure of the side of miles with five heroes. Tundra, I mean, Tundra's
doing what they do, right? Very split up, continuing to get that farm, waiting for
specific timings to see if that, you know, this timing still ended up working
because yesterday they did, they stalled for a while and they had a pretty good
advantage kind of game and then they ended up losing. There's like 20 to 30
minutes of them not really doing a whole lot, so let's see if Malus' constant
movements, we'll keep them in a more comfortable position at least.
I just sort of matter, you know, you're okay with the shade.
Going for this shadow play.
Obviously, already has a Murano with a mean like shadow on the team.
Is it still just because, you know, Puget just always wants to play around having the silver edge or
is it a little bit of a deficit because you do already have that, you know, sort of in this
threat on the map and Maus are likely to be dealing with it.
Perhaps a bit, but mobility can be king sometimes too, right?
And I don't know, Silver Edge, in some games, it's just...
You can speak for all of them, you need to not break anyone.
They're gonna set up on the right.
They try and use the Stampede to get him out of there, but...
The decent enough control now, especially that Glite near Throne on top of the mix,
to ensure that Stampede is not sort of a guaranteed save.
I mean, in a lot of situations, I feel we have seen this game,
but the Stampede hasn't necessarily been enough to save those
against when Maus gets the jump on him.
Maus is really knowing the cat and mouse game that's going on,
because how often Tundra plays it, right here.
That was a nice attempt from everyone.
I knew that BZM was going to be around trying to TP out of there,
but didn't quite predict exactly where it would be in the fog.
So BZM will evade them again.
So I mean, I guess they want some Yule Scepters, maybe.
I see Marana, okay, they changed these.
So they want the Blink on 33, they want the Yules, I guess, to Marana,
but they're going to at least try to look at this rush, but it's alright, man.
Arrow.
Almost nice.
Tundra.
Definitely gonna be careful about how they got running into a 5-man fight around that area as, uh, last time around Largo.
Did have the last laugh.
Boom.
They wanted combo. That's what they're going for, multi-blitz, right?
Centaur now has blik, SF has blik. They wanted to lead a hero.
That's the start of these fights.
There we go, there's the jump, it's a good three man avalanche into the cataclysm, blows
up Celery, a mid one, beautiful, and Yamash at the end of that as well, I mean that's
what you're looking for right now, you get in, three man avalanche, instant cataclysm,
the combo tried and tested, it's going to work out most of the time, whoo, easy F, I'm
just trying to poke around with Boom on the high ground, interesting if you get the jump,
Be a little careful, plan up towards the base.
See what they can do with these three kills they picked up.
That was picture perfect.
You literally couldn't ask for a better stun there coming out
from the Tiny, just knowing the positioning of them there.
Bear a bit of control, and now they're in.
See, they're at least like Hunter.
I guess push these lanes in.
Tundra just wants to maximize get that extra farm.
From a 3k lead for Malph to a 2k for Tundra.
Now it's really feeling a bit shaken up, as you're saying.
Probably want it to be a little more ahead.
Sure, they got the rush.
Let's see what they can do with this Aegis.
if they're gonna mount the fight together because Tundra's just they're splitting them up
I'm gonna get a solo kill well that's the thing when you get these sort of rooms on the SF it
can't be a little a little bit of a bait because you you're very tempted to go for that kind of
crazy yolo play after he will back out as soon as he senses that they're aware that he's around
You gotta be careful. Something about SFs and Shadow of Blade's getting a double damage rune.
Most of the time, it can not work out in your favor.
I gotta say, I'm really intrigued with the way that he's done the build though. I know he did it yesterday, but I just...
I think it's actually a really cool way to make SF look very strong, at least in early game.
Because you are a good teamfight stallcaster. Sometimes if you're a teamfighter, you get wiped on the rest in peace there.
He'll, uh...
He's happy for the efforts, at least Aria will be happy.
You know, he's like, you got the worst, worst shard for support in the game.
That's true. I guess why mom was kind of hoping for his own one there.
So he's kind of like, I died for this, maybe not too happy.
How's the Lotus is looking to. So I actually should have been pointing this out early. I'm sorry.
I'm still, I'm still. How many have they gotten? I don't think they had too many, but I always like to point this out as we wait for 35 usually, but these Lotus is like game with Marana can be pretty ridiculous.
It's the heal burst.
Smoke time for mouse.
Assuming that there might have been someone down here with how far out the wave got pushed, but of course as we can see Tundra, they don't have anyone around here.
BZM is at one of the peak timings. He's got the Gleitner, he's got the Axe, he's got the Ostrich, and he's got the 20 damage.
More?
They got a combo.
They're going to try and burst her and they'll do so easy.
Christmas, she's ready to fight back though.
Johnson on the wall.
You have to stop being sad.
33 cuts through the loose.
Don't want to watch Yamash.
The fear coming from the rank.
We're pushing them back.
Boom.
To get the VKB off, he's trying to heal them up here.
Wouldn't the music, but Yamash is taking it apart by BZM.
And now turn towards Christmas.
They have to tornado control.
Christmas surrounded.
That's the Aegis God.
See, boom.
It's going to try and run down Ari.
And my goodness, the damage flying in here with the impotence of salary will destroy
Destroyed by the overall Tundra. They are taking the fight one by one. I think I'm using he's trying to go against celery
Selling nearly out without our heal of the damage doesn't have quite enough here though to get away without those appear
We'll still end up killing him a good aggressive music. I'm just don't stop easy. Yeah
He's got the catch on the frog. I'll get the who's stop hammer down
Boom, he's dead as well
Tundra able to piece together a team white across the map there with those fast moves again
Just sort of jump the opening stuns that Tundra have proven to be a bit too much for mouse
They have that just overwhelming amount of damage on Tundra's lineup especially now at this point of how they're all scaling
It's very difficult almost impossible for mouse to live through that jump
There's too much kite control damn honestly a bandy evoker
Yeah, yeah, I had to see if he was doing a lot share his damage there
But the control was ridiculous pure got to do all this right clicks and out here actually has a rectifying item
He actually has a needleless and he already did highest damage in that last fight
He's him
Now that's the setup. It's a stampede is ready for
Oof yeah
It feels like tundra's hit all that timings now
I mean pretty much a great after the blink on the centaur sure he's got all these other small items
but now they have really easy ways to get these setups.
And yeah, we just saw in that last fight,
at least the last two in particular,
how hard the T-Fights really do look.
Mid one is now struggling.
Quite a bit.
I love watching the museum on this.
I mean, I say ban Dean Volker
for the teams that are playing against him,
but don't ban it because I want to keep watching this.
It was a treat.
It was a treat.
I just hope he finds the courage to bring back his Earthshaker.
Is that just here? Is that here a just dead? Like super dead?
Did we have any games by yesterday? Probably not, right?
I mean, we had a Naga Siren Core and there was a...
Sure, I guess anything can happen.
There's no possibility, maybe, if all the other heroes do get banned in your play versus so much
But definitely feels weaker. Quite a significant amount weaker.
Fights, now at this point for mouse are difficult. I'm looking at it, I'm like wondering how they really start fights also, right?
They don't really have an initiation tool. Their initiation would be Yerusha jumping in and trying to do things.
Tundra has a thousand ways to start fights though.
Abitoss, Blink, Requiem, Tornado combos, etc. So, ease of execution, way up all of the celery.
Very dead.
Very well.
Another one, Pure.
Oh, look at Pure.
He's looking for a solo play down bottom on Boone.
Here he goes in the wall.
Okay, that Boone's not gonna fall for it.
Anyway, Maxi rests the action.
They've got the control there around.
Yeah, Mitch, yeah, Mitch is dead, but yeah, Pure.
He was waiting to see if Boone stepped out that little too far from the base.
Boone did not though.
Clears the wave safely.
So now is something I really, really like about the hybrid build that he gets, right?
because now that he has Shadow Rift, he's attacked there.
What if we are Shakaia, it's the same thing.
Gonna try and go for Ahri, but Ahri's got a lot of backup.
33's into the two-man Huston,
Aura connects in as well,
Hottoboom's boom,
Chris has tried to get forward,
the Reckrim comes in to play,
Nippon pops the VKB,
but he's soloing,
the Crate comes in for Pure,
Nippon's dead,
Boom pops the VKB,
it doesn't matter these 1200 damage crates,
Fly through for Pure,
it's Pure against the Triple Kill.
I think indeed,
Miles might have just missed their target,
despite the best efforts they've given in the early game,
the game. It is looking to be that sort of age-old situation against Tundra where you've
come in hot early, you've tried to do as much as you could to stop them. You just couldn't.
The game's falling into this point now. It's a 20k net worth for you for Tundra. Tundra,
they're in their element at this point. They don't tend to lose these games now.
Now, another toss back. Very well.
Yeah, they hit the top. Truly just waited for these timings. Big ones. I mean, they were
We're hitting quite a bit of them before anyway, just with like some some straight catapults.
Like, casual kills all over the place, but yeah.
Once they get these multiple blinks off and...
I mean, BGM feels confident.
Yeah. Yeah, they're ready to close this one up, Tundra.
That was Miles. Yeah, good effort in the early game. Just wasn't enough.
They couldn't slow him down.
Tundra getting their style on them here in these final moments.
Get some extra kills in the bounce, and why not?
They're lit towards salary. He'll be able to force himself away.
Cheerfowls are gone, ancients exposed, they don't have the five axe to push them back here.
So they...
Great one, staff.
33 points in it.
33.
And now with the toss pack as well, Ari, finding the center point to Yamatron as well.
Nibblin is gonna jump forward, but Peer's got the VKB at the ready, he's just ready to
rack up four kills, another triple kill for him.
This game is over, Gigi is called as Tundra.
to do it in the classic. Tundra style this game around an invoker, but we might not get
to see again at least a few games because it's going to be back up on the top of teams
radars right, Foggy?
Yeah, absolutely. We saw the SF also, the last one, he actually hit 10 stacks in the
last one presence right there, he just boosted it up. Also SF looks like an insane hero,
probably things that people are probably also going to continue to put up that meter. Yeah,
great game from Tundra, now's maybe needed a bit more tempo.
You're absolutely not able to do it here today against Tundra.
Tundra, they take this game against Maus.
I don't think Owen is maybe giving some players a little bit more benefit of the doubt than they deserve by saying,
we're not going to see this in Voka for a while.
He's never learned, Quinn. I don't get it. We saw it yesterday, and BZM had a good performance.
And I'm telling you now, one of the key reasons Tundra even kept a foot in this game is because of BZM.
despite the fact that like he even got ganked in mid.
I would rather play against five tree protectors
and the enemy has nine heroes
than against one museum invoker.
You cannot give this man this hero.
He is the best player on it by far.
It's just a different beast.
It feels, it's some nonsense.
He keeps sun striking you with no setup.
You lose half your HP.
There's someone where mid one is just farming a wave
and he sun strikes him just to piss him off.
He's not even gonna die.
But he's losing damage.
Yeah, exactly.
And I don't know, it's just, it's messed up.
You gotta ban this guy's invoker.
And I think the way this game went is the way that Tundra vs. Mouse tends to go.
Mouse, they always play to snowball, they always play to play fast, take towers.
And Tundra is one of the best teams in the world at stalling and getting farms.
So I think this is honestly kind of a rough matchup for Mouse on a team to team basis.
And we're also seeing that what you were saying with the issues, potentially, of Mouse's draft.
You're like, great, they're going through the sustain.
We know that Lesh likes to build trees.
Obviously, Cheddar Demon might be able to help save some heroes,
Lago with his songs really wants to go for that, Enchantress as well.
And you're like, there will be a point where Tundra's lineup
will just have enough damage to cut through all of that.
And I think that came way earlier than what Maus expected.
Yeah, it became a very big problem very quickly.
I think they had made a lot of great moves in the early game.
It took that mid tower super early and opened up the map.
But at some point, they lose this fight up by the ancients
where Abysian connects and gets, they get like three or four kills back to back to back.
And I think that really hinders a lot of their momentum.
I think it also comes down to, I think they over-prioritize this Leshrak a little bit.
Like, mid one is great at the Sierra, but Leshrak is not that good.
It's okay.
I do agree with that on like a hero basis, but I do also think Lesh was doing a lot for them
to try and hit the tempo that they wanted to play it.
He did a lot of good stuff, but you can also see when the clock hits like 25 minutes
or whatever. He's buying this Goliath near and you see him buying this item and it's like,
is it really going to do that much? Is he getting enough bang for his buck for his gold
compared to every item that's Shadeffine?
That is what buck means by the way, buck is a tendon for gold.
Yeah, but I also want to say gold.
Okay, I just mentioned it.
I just felt like saying gold.
No, he's not getting enough value out of it. Let's track if it's not a good game for him,
which it's not particularly. And you can see that it's not great against Shadeffine as
time passes, right? He's walking in middle of the fight. Shadeffine just beats the crap
out of him and nukes him with this like you know fog mentioned in this really cool build on chat. I mean
this this hybrid magic right click I'm not sure if it's ideal but it's cool and it's fun to watch
and I think it's he is getting involved earlier in these games and on a team with 33 it makes a lot
of sense that you want to get involved in the game more because centaur is in some random court of
the map don't worry about him he's getting gold that's all he's doing. Yeah I feel like you could
say that for almost any hero that 33 likes. Yeah just you know I was mentioning the centaur thing but
but it's not.
It's really not.
That is definitely something Tundra like to do.
Maus still had a really good early game, right?
And that's what I wanna focus on here
before we kinda talk about that later part of the game.
What more could they have done?
Because you've already mentioned
how they took the mid tower early.
They even ganked through mid, right?
We'd like it when Maus play through mid one.
That's normally a key for success.
Yeah, they made a great move here.
This is huge.
They get the full tower off of this kill.
It's the classic, we did this all the time.
Both supports come to mid.
You come from opposite sides.
You sandwich the guy.
Suddenly, bam, you're three heroes there, you get the kill, you get the tower, that's awesome.
I think, really, the mess-ups lie after they kill the Shadowfiend top,
because they make a move there, right, eventually.
They bring a bunch of heroes, they get a couple kills, and they stick around, they die in these ancients.
And I think you have to be really careful and really respectful of Tundra.
I think that's really where they fell short is, they're playing almost as if the enemy can't respond at some point.
And the way, you see mid-1, he dies, like, in some very silly way on the mid-tier 2.
There's a lot of instances in this game where they're being a bit disrespectful, and I think you need to understand that, you know, they have tossed back into Sunstrike.
Like, you would just get 100-0 if you're out of position.
They give up too many of these kills, like this huge gold injection for Tundra, and I think, like you mentioned earlier, it just speeds up how quickly Tundra reaches that point where they can cut through you, and then now, okay, well, now you can't fight anymore.
Especially with the lineup being the sustain team fight sort of thing, it's like, okay, everyone's actually still trying to split push, which you do need to do that.
And there's no way that you can run around as five consistently since like minute ten
But my question now relies in logo as an off-laner because whilst the centaur can be somewhere and his ult still have that impact
He's obviously able to sustain himself in lane
My question is now log of those really slow to come online and on top of that his impact is very much
We need to stick together. There's been multiple times where he gets, you know cut off from a fight
He's not able to provide anything this song is something that helps all allies
but he's just nowhere near there and it feel like you can cut him off and he's not impactful without even being dead
Yeah, I think this this hero has some some
Just weird problems that are difficult to fix
It's also that you're right your AFK farming acts the straight up AFK farming it
But when you get it you have no catch and no kill threat
You're just strong in teamfights, but you have this you also don't farm very fast you form
Okay, so it's like yeah buying a fighting item, but you have no way to force fights
So the enemy can just stay away from you and wait until they have damage to cut through you
I feel like it's almost like if you playing as Largo if the only way Largo wins is if you fight into him as he gets his
Ags, but if you just dodge him and you wait then he's just this dude just vibing around strum strum strum
But he's not he's not having enough impact. He didn't he didn't do anything in this game really
He got this one kill where it's kind of cute. Oh and said they didn't put their plugs in I like that
That was really good. I was good, but besides that he didn't do anything
Yeah, I want to do a civil lying because my goodness is that frog cute now
I like that. I like that proud. It's good if you could replace the three logo songs with copyrighted music
Which one would you pick for each?
This is so off topic, but I need to know we're talking about this earlier
I feel like it's got to be random meme songs like I just wanted to be I wanted to be annoying
I want to piss you off on a play the song. No only you hear it for you
Like there's a lot that there's a mod that you can install and and the music is for you
You get to pick one for the damage one for the movement and one for the healing
yeah, I feel like some old memes I was like heck a nyan cat and crazy frog
oh, the nyan cat's pretty good
no no no no
okay, that was good
are you gonna do your crazy frog impression too?
how does it go again?
ding ding ding ding ding
thank you
oh no, I was talking about REK
corridors villain and bokeh
you wanna talk about it anymore?
morana leaps and bounds
sf?
that's a good facet
no, I mean I think they had a good draft
they played it well
everything was cohesive made a lot of sense together
Um, and I think miles, it will always be a weakness of this team.
It's the weakness and their strength, right?
It's an immortal faith team.
They all lean on their strategy every game, right?
They play fast, they pick team fight, they pick, or is it not?
They pick tankiness and tempo.
And if you survive that, then they kind of just lose.
And we see that a lot.
And I think it will be sort of the storyline of miles throughout the year is
they're only going to play one way.
And if you can survive the onslaught, then you will beat them in a lot of cases.
I think that makes them a very interesting team, but also a very flawed team.
Okay, that's fine. I don't know if I see it the same way. I think they're forgetting their basics
at the moment. I think ultimately, yes, it is what you're saying, but there is that thing that
we're talking about where they're just in positions that they shouldn't be getting caught out. We
saw so many times that the Invoker doing impact, all of helping with this being caught out, there's
damage coming from everywhere and that for me feels like a basic thing it's like you can stick to
your guns about you know a draft or a certain archetype of how you want but if you're going to
just be pushing a tier one tier two by yourself with no vision of any of the enemies on the map
i think that that's like a back to basics issue yeah i definitely pinned this game on don't pick
lago this hero doesn't seem that good right now okay okay and they made some bad individual mistakes
i totally agree there's there's mistakes here that are uncharacteristic and also just not okay like
Like you can't expect to make these mistakes and also win a game against the team as good as Tundra is in a blast slam
Like it's just you're really tempting fate there with invoker within vocal do they need any more help really they don't
Don't pick the frog though guys. Please look at his win rate. You see that don't pick the frog
It's not two and seven actually haven't checked in with the B Street
Maybe there was some shenanigans going on there. Maybe he'll win four games in a row
I think I'm going to go back to
the game. Maybe maybe maybe six
seven games that are always what
he really needs to buffer that
that win right for himself there,
but we're going to look at a team
that is hoping to get a couple
more wins for themselves, and
that's Falcons right right now.
They're sitting to and to
definitely not a situation
people might have thought
coming into this. In fact, I
think. All three of you guys
predicted Falcons to be in the
top three. I think I've been
All right, I'm just joking. Yeah, a little bit of friendly Santa there
There's actually you did me and all my hubris put it I put them down as what was it number five?
That's looking like the most accurate right now is they they've looked they've looked shaky
And I think in some ways it's expected. It's weird like after a team wins ti
You're both like glazing them like crazy because they won ti the best team in the world, but also you cannot win forever and
eventually
the team. It's just it's just
it just catches up with you.
Everyone else is working harder
and in Dota, it's even more
difficult because the game is
changing all the time. So not
only do you need to adapt to
the meta, but everyone else is
adapting to you and they're hot
on your heels trying to catch up
to you. And so. Inevitably, it's
a new season. It's You know,
it's not despair. It's a new
season. New patch. A team that's
one T. I there's a lot of
different things that go into
it on the side of X G, though
So is this one of those classic China has no expectations?
They do well day one.
Oh, now we expect to do well every day.
And the pressure's on for day two.
No, I think XG actually is more the re-deal
than they were earlier in the year.
Let's go.
I think they've got potential, and I'm
excited to watch them play.
All right, I'm excited to watch them play, too.
But before we get into the game,
it is a draft happening between XG and Falcons.
Let's see what treat we have in store for us right now between Extreme Gaming and Falcon.
game, having that three and one score line for themselves. The loss was up against Yandex,
a team who was previously on a tournament already this year for themselves. And then of course
Balkans who have had to do a lot of different qualifier runs themselves with the first phase
ban. Yeah, Largo again not being seen there, but what is pretty stereotypical here is extreme gaming
taking out the Husker, the Viper and the Razor against players like Amar and Malarine. And then
And Falakian's taken out Triant, Shadow Demon, Slotter, and Prime will be.
So a little bit more of a change up, putting a couple of supports thrown into there, which
does leave Timbersaw open as the first pick for XG.
Yeah, bit of a surprising first pick in the game yesterday against Rolwit.
He was getting slaughtered in lane.
He was AFK farming.
He was really not doing much for the majority of the game.
And then eventually it went late.
He became, you know, Timbersaw would all know and hate.
But I think picking a first pick like that is definitely tempting fate a little bit.
is a classic skitter hero and it's a great response to Timbersaw because you
you know cut through him you can stick on him and you get a free lane against him
the bear a very good hero and also a very good hero for Falcons so it's
definitely a good response and I first picked that I questioned a little bit
is Timber good enough after some of these nerfs to still be first picked we'll
see that we will as we're gonna see some more bands from extreme gaming
targeting a maw. Well, just that maws one right now for themselves.
I think one of the bands that perplexes me a little bit is this primal bat from Falcons.
I don't, I mean, I know X-XS and nothing to say are both amazing primal players, but
it always feels a little bad to be banning your own hero, right?
They've got probably the best primal in the world, so when you're banning your own primal,
even though XG is first pick, that feels a little bad and is somewhat surprising to me.
then is it they think primals better than what a lot of other teams are thinking or is it hey wait we
don't want to really play it I don't think we're going to pick it in any situation for this draft
we just got to make sure they don't get a comfort no I think they just think that hero's really good
and they think XG is going to snatch it yeah it's a flex right because the Maura doesn't play it if
Falcons picks it it's just mid so it's harder for them to early pick it whereas XG has that flex
and they're both amazing primal players so in some ways it can even be better for XG I suppose
then it is for Falcons. I'm hoping to not see a Pengo coming out from Falcons
or I'm gonna put that one out there right now they picked it up two times
yesterday for themselves and you know how many they won with it Quinn? They won
zero. That's right, 0-2 in the hands of Falcons so I would say maybe a
little bit of a prioritization on that hero. I'm not sure if it's exactly a
cut of a takeaway. Yeah, no the hero is really bad. Okay, so it is that clear cut.
Yeah, it was really bad and they definitely made those games harder themselves by picking that hero it lost so much of what made that hero powerful
In the shield crash, right? Yeah in the shield crash and also enrolling thunder is kind of dog water now
You have this weird startup time where the enemy can just like walk away. I don't know
It's just yeah, I don't know. I mean the hero was broken for a long time
So it's fine that they kill it, but like you guys is dead like
Let it. That would be bad.
CM is such a snaking hero. I think snaking and also AoE, like I think AoE is one of the best CMs of all time.
Maybe the single best CM of all time.
And so I think snaking being on his team will
mean that they will always prioritize the hero a little higher than other teams.
They're really good at understanding the skill builds and abusing the small camp where you push the wave with the Nova
and doing really good kill-goes. Like there's a lot of really small things about the hero.
that are very tricky. And I think Falcons is amazing at this hero. And also the item build,
like, when do you buy your shard? Farming a lot on this hero and getting a lot of these items,
there's a lot that goes into this hero. I think you can go back to every patch that's happened
in Dota, that's snaking an ally together, and they will play CM in the first, like,
six competitive games that they have. Like, they will do anything to make this hero work
at the start of a new patch.
Yeah, they are probably the biggest fans of the Zero
in the world.
But it is not an amazing hero right now.
It's probably pickable or OK.
Now, he does have great synergy with Ursa against Timbersaw.
Against Timbersaw, you want either some miserable crap
for him to play against like a pugna where you put the nether
ward down and it shuts down sort of his mid game gameplay,
or you want Kill for Alarm, something that locks him down.
And see him, Ursa, they've got great synergy
together between the Frostbite and the Slows.
You can run him down and offer a lot of potential there to shut him down early.
So there's some good reasons why they picked it.
But Lyon does have a stun to counter play things, so it's not cut and dry.
And at the end of the day, Xtreme is playing to do OK in lane and play for those stacks.
Yeah, I was looking because Crystal Maiden has been played once already in
Blastland, of course, by Falcons.
It's kind of looking at what facet they went for, because there was that brief period
where you could go the overflow and that made her spell damage,
but also the cost of spells increased,
but it seems to be that they're just going the shield faster for themselves.
And so, yeah, extreme gaming now align and Chen combo for the supports.
Is that more interesting for you to talk about or maybe the Sankeen coming out from Falcons?
I think the Sankeen is interesting in that, like, I think Falcons prioritizes counterpicking Aume.
They did it in maybe it was game three or game four of the finals,
where I think it was game four where Amar played the Ursa against the last pick off lane Ursa.
And I think stuff like that is really good against Extreme because I think they value a great game
for Amar and Amar has really specific niche hero picks. And so saving your last pick for Amar,
countering sort of the star of the show for Extreme, which is Amar, everyone knows that,
I think is an interesting choice on a grander scale. Not even then it's the Sanking specifically,
which to me is just Malorin likes that hero and it's hard to beat in lane so they just pick it.
But the fact that they are showing their mid hero and saving last check for the offline,
that's what's interesting to me. You don't think that any realm sanking can be played offline?
I mean it probably can. I mean nothing's ever zero right? Nothing's ever zero percent chance.
Yeah if they pick something that's like truly horrendous and disposable then maybe but I think
Malorraine is like level 30 sanking and I think these guys really value playing their high level heroes
Yeah, the gyarokopter is
It's interesting in that I think it's good with Chen
Chen likes a dude who dishes out a bunch of damage that you can get buffed up by all this stuff
So he you're buffing them with the armor and the drum that you inevitably have these auras and stuff and gyarokon dish out
The damage to to everyone so I think it makes sense with extremes heroes their supports especially
but it's not great against Ursa
And so you're picking it into somewhat of a bad carry matchup that you're doing if your own drafts integrity
So there's there's some back and forth there
I also think the Bounding Hunter is somewhat interesting
It's not a hero we see super often, but it is a classic counter to Chen because ranged heroes are so bad against Chen
His trading is just too good
So you want to play on wave pulling or you want to play on ganking other lanes and not sitting in that straight 1v1 hit fast
because Chen will always come out on top of it.
But why a bounty hunter over something like a tusk that also does those things you just mentioned?
That is a good question.
That I don't necessarily have a straightforward answer for.
Okay.
You think maybe it'll be more revealed when we see the offline pick?
Yeah, potentially.
Okay.
I think bounty hunter is a hero that is better at attacking the safe lane
because you're in Mizra.
So you have that TP potential to gank there.
Yeah.
He's very good at rotating.
I think he's better at staying away from the Chen
because you have the element of surprise.
And so there's potentially a war where they want to attack extremely ancient, right?
They know Timbersaw is going to lose this lane,
and they want to prevent it from having that comeback.
So they pick Bounding Hunter because they're like,
okay, we're going to play into the enemy triangle.
Instead of playing through our off lane,
we're going to give them a marl, the last pick, kill of a solid lane.
You can chill there, and we're going to play into the enemy side of the map.
On the other side,
and Bounding Hunter maybe fits into that theming.
I'm not going to lie, I got a little bit distracted.
I just noticed XG are at a liquid facility.
Yeah, they always are there.
It is a little odd.
I just got so distracted by seeing the liquid logo and the fact that I'm on it again right there and I was like, wait, what?
Yeah, so I guess they're like roommates and they were roommates and they were roommates
Can they share?
Sure, what?
Strategies, what else would I, what, toothbrushes? Peds? Maybe.
Rooms? Like what?
Maybe they're just like, maybe they eat in the same room.
They would definitely.
There's like a big cafeteria, like, area.
But I feel like they might bring the room back into their practice room during like...
They bring the room back into their practice room.
Is that what I said?
Yeah, that's what I heard.
I just told you what I said.
I could just be really dead.
Alright, well some of the final band's coming out now, so we're going to keep yapping about the facilities.
It is Doom and Underlord, so yeah, they've really, I want to say even tripled down here on Extreme Gaming
to make sure Amar is going to be as uncomfortable in reaching into that back pocket as much as he can.
And for Falcons, puck with one more band to come out.
I'm getting nervous that this is leaning towards a tango.
No way.
No way.
You think they've learned their lesson?
No shot.
I hope they've learned their lesson.
Surely, please.
I also think tango is kind of cheek's here.
And I think I'm not sure what they will pick, though,
because I think Jarocov to Chen is just
an insanely strong lane.
And so it's not easy to pick something that's chilling there.
And this is a great game to play in a game.
It's great against Ursa.
It's amazing against Sanking.
You've got a really strong lane, and you're good at fighting
those stacks.
and Bounty Hunter doesn't offer any kill threat against you.
So really the only hero that's somewhat ambiguous is CM,
but with the bondage facet,
you reflect a lot of that damage back
and you're tankier against some of these magic damage heroes,
these nukers in the early game.
So I think it's a great pick.
It abuses the tankiness that Chen gives as well.
So they've got a lot of aggression from XG
and a lot of early fighting potential.
So I like this Queen pick a lot.
And in some ways, I'm surprised Falcons didn't ban it.
Yeah, I think this is a great choice.
Okay, so I actually have a very well rounded draft right now, and Farthin's about 40 seconds to try and make their draft whole and complete here, filling in all those voids.
Yeah. Thinking about what they might want, nothing's coming through my mind super clearly.
Isn't it an off-laner that needs to push, wave clear, tank, build auras?
I think in some ways it's not even so much of like it's, I think this is a counterpick slot.
It's a slot where you pick something that's good against the enemy heroes.
What the heck?
What?
Okay, so you're right. It is the Sanking Flex.
Sir, can we just run that one back?
Sir, you were right.
A maw taking Sanking and a Mallorin lean up against Queen of Pain.
Alright, my mid-Connoisseur.
How did that one go?
It's very good.
Historically, it's one of the hardest counters to Queen in lane.
Maybe things have changed a little bit with the bondage fast because you heal a little back the other way,
but Lina is an incredibly powerful laner, a very oppressive laner who just sits there and farms the jungle afterward.
And Queen is a hero that is very bad at ganking or farming jungle, which has had a bad lane.
So thematically, it suits counterpicking Queen very well in a lot of ways.
It's also got good core matchups against Jarcopter and Timbersaw.
So the only catch that Xtreme has is Lion.
That's the best they have for jumping on this Lina,
and that tends to be what you want.
So it makes a lot of sense.
Malarine also level 30 on this hero.
So, and I really didn't see a great offline pick
that stood out.
So I think this makes a lot of sense
and is also very Falcons.
So now to me, it comes down to how's the gameplay look, right?
I think both of these teams have the potential
to run away with this game and put on a great performance.
And so I think what side of the bed did Falcons wake up on?
They looked pretty shaky yesterday.
True.
Anything under loss as well?
Yeah, exactly. Can you, can you get rid of that? Can you get rid of those bad vibes?
Yeah.
If you have good team talks, will you be able to fix your problems?
Which I think fountains are typically historically really good at, but, you know, like we said, it's a new season.
You're coming up being the TI winners. Nobody wins forever, so can they win this game?
Well, whether you're putting expectations there intentionally or not, there definitely are those.
From Side Extreme Gaming, this is where they really do thrive.
You've already said it, you think that this is a new roster, a new XG in a sense,
that is going to be coming to the table and isn't going to fall off just after game number one.
You're really enjoying that draft as well. Feels pretty well rounded.
Falcons were able to get that overall lost pick counter. Is the leader though going to be enough?
It's a best of one. So they're going to have to put everything out there between Falcons and Extreme Gaming.
of the game. Hello, ladies and
gentlemen. Time to get into the
action here of extreme gaming
versus team Falcons. Uh, Fogged.
What do you make of this? We're
getting to see some sort of some
some sort of different some
switch ups. You know, Lena
coming in last, for example, for
Maureen, something because he's
very comfortable on the grand
master tier on this Lena. But
not something we used to seeing
because of the matchup, you know, what is the reason for Falcons going this way?
I think probably a combo thing, right? I think it's the matchup.
I think the heroes also been maybe slightly overlooked in a lot of situations.
It's gotten some buffs. I think the 7.40, it's been some time, of course, since it,
but this cast range on Laguna is actually pretty big difference.
I don't know if you, I know you like to play Lena, but you, I know yourself a lot, right?
The Laguna, sometimes it's like you cast both your spells and you just can't really reach.
Do you small things absolutely add up? And yeah, versus the QWAP, it's a hero that can build different.
He might still just go the magic route because that's the one that I've been seeing still a little more even though
He goes the right click fast it but we'll see he has options and versus the cores that he saw right versus gyro
He's got good distance in the lane. He's good versus co-op versus timber
He's good in the game overall and limited catch so on paper. It looks like a very good lina game
So I'm looking forward to see what he can do on it
That's on paper so
Yeah, because I mean it definitely feels like if this ends up being a game where the gyro
You know, the gyro can kind of out carry a lot these years. The of the earth is an issue
But you know being the lean of the CM the the bouncy as such, you know
The the flax in the later stages could get quite annoying. Yeah, if you don't I think what gyro at the start of the fight
At least what I felt in this one was
Extreme just wanted to you know, they saw and they're like, okay
Let's pick these are pretty strong heroes in these positions the timber may be a little
I don't know that was a bit forced for me
But then they wanted a stun
But then afterwards I for me I look at Falcons and it's just counter pick after counter pick after counter pick right?
They see the Chen they pick bounty hunter right so they're gonna be stalking this Chen
It's an old-school counter counter thing
They have to pivot a bit because of that last thing and I think it was a really good like Quinn was talking about it too
I was thinking to him like what's the best off late option left? I was looking at like Centaur there really wasn't great options for
For a Mars so this pivot probably feels the best so let's see if it does work because XG they've looked pretty impressive
aggressive. They're in same
comeback yesterday. So also
looking forward to see the new
XG because they do simply
playing a bit faster. Yeah,
absolutely looking forward to
see what they got installed for
us and talking about playing
faster. They're straight off the
back going out into the map
with this smoke looking for this
first blood XG. Great. Oh,
they're going to see snaking
Honestly though, even if that did hit it would have been right at the tip
So I don't know if they would actually been able to take him down that close to the tower
Minus 80. Yeah
That's true smoke's gone dust gone. Well, that's 130. You're right. Yeah
Power of
It was just one dust, right? They didn't pop two dust did they I feel like I might I
Would be shocked if two people bought dust, okay, then
I'm pretty sure I don't know if he saw the words placed, but he might have because he was kind of stalking them. They might be able to get that one. I see snaking pinging it. So a chance that they do get that D word immediately to and yeah, let's see how these lanes go. I haven't done to see too much off lane
I see snaking pinging it so a chance that they do get that d-word immediately too and yeah
Let's see how these lanes go
I haven't done to see too much off lane sanking could be one where he struggles
But he is versus a Chen right so Chen gyro gyro incredibly oppressive hero, but Chen sometimes
Quite a lot of the times not really the most oppressive
You usually can take advantage of this and get something out of the lane because the hero naturally can't really bully
And it's probably gonna be lane pulling right the bounty is probably gonna try to manipulate stuff. So see what we do get
I
Could give him some good info hat
My biggest concern I really do have for XG is that they literally only have like one way of catching heroes, right?
It's all FY. He's the stun. He's the catch. He's the hex besides that their chases like a co-op chasing with blinks and shadow strikes
And a timber saw chaining forward so
Could get to some weird situations where they don't have a lockdown in a lot of place
You can see Bounty Runes there for Crip.
A little stun. We'll be able to claim that one.
So, in terms of the gold, you know, that's Falcons up three Bounty Runes against the one, and obviously XG down a smoke and a dust.
So, little bits of a gold offset as the game begins.
And let's really see how these lanes go, because I do feel like at least two of them.
Falcons has a very strong position to be able to punish quite heavily.
plus Ursa can do quite well versus Lion Timber and then the Lena versus the
Quat mid we'll see how that match up goes but Malrin should do quite well in
that one too so let's see how things go down I'm happy to see the Cm2 it sounds
so weird even saying that as it comes out of my mouth but Falcon's probably the only
teams that plays it right and snaking spams it he plays it better than he loves it
when he can so.
Bottom lane that's a better mark.
Rock, rock, rock for the face just right click down there from the two of them
That's a mild death.
Yep, sometimes that doesn't happen with the Chen, right?
Like Chen sometimes is the first level, it's not that strong, but that movement's level is pluggered.
That's enough.
What was kind of the skill build of the item builds that we're seeing from the Offlane San King, do you reckon?
I don't think we've seen many of the Offlane San King, but I don't know.
No, that's what I'm wondering.
I don't know, I think you still just do the same things, right?
But how much are you prioritizing the blinking of it?
I still want to see him get it fairly early you don't want to see some slow aura build up or I
Just don't think a Mars that type of player because I was thinking maybe he goes green
That's good. You're so good right now
But it's not really the best greens game and then a Mars is not really that kind of player
So I just think he's gonna do more standard
There's some like boots maybe some upgraded boots into the blink dagger
here. The mid lane matchup so far. Nothing to say being kept very low just down to that
one very far whilst the bottle is already out from Maureen. Bottle is just about to
be delivered here for nothing to say. It's going to grab.
Oh nothing to say. Oh my goodness. Who are you blinked like that? That was a little spooky.
Yeah, so another power thing that they do have I'm seeing X nobody's prioritizing the lane at the moment this creep
But what they can do is send this creep to the room still right so for Malrin
They might need that plus point to check the ruins at some time
Yes, it's just get that situation where they're double checking and he just gets denied them
So see if that is coming at the play also, which I guess is fine, right?
Because yeah, they have correct on the bounce so you can move up and down pretty easily
Fine help things out for Malrin
And these these carries are gonna probably both have pretty solid free farm, right?
The gyro maybe slightly more because it feels like he's completely uncontested.
The Ursa might get some CS tripped up from like a stun or like a hex here and there.
Ex-Nobo continues to just do very well in this bottom lane too.
There's nothing to say continue to get beat so it's a look away from mid.
But he's living on the edge. He really is. You know, it's constantly super low HP's blinking in as well for this
Yes, it's working out of us so far
You know not winning the lane by any means but definitely still able to find some farm in this matchup that
Can get very scary for the quap
He's got Malrin low too, right?
Like if you can actually ever get that chance of getting the commit but he's it's just too difficult
He's got the extra region though. These extra tangos Malrin is gonna have to bring more out
I'm playing it nicely to the limits of nothing to say.
I'm sure that he doesn't get completely stomped, he's doing perfectly fine.
Getting displays on the tower.
Bottom lane, Dust is out, Flak cannon hits, coming in, bringing Amar down low.
Amar will be fine.
It seems to be set for Cripp, but both kept incredibly low and pretty much out of region.
They just have a very fine Cripp.
Amar just bunching on that last tango.
pushing the limits yeah I'm just gonna be continuing to be very happy down here
against these two I mean very nice stuff again the more I look at this later
it's the double in this right so these but the dust is very valuable the
dust incentives are really good down here for next over that's very I mean to
the point where like is this even a lame duo do you think that we've seen much
over kind of years ago to found to sank him no not really but it's in a
situation of let's pivot right like let's go I'll read this top it's it's this
just good hacks from f white and it's gonna be enough to keep xxs safe
stop skid if I've been able to continue to stack up the swipes it's cool how
they did this right they pick the timber which it can be a bit vulnerable when
you first pick it up emergency but they have the line to at least dissuade and
stop these constant pressure place well sure the timbers getting slowed down a
bit there but they're also stopping the aggression he's not dying yeah no the
Yeah, the last two questions. I think you have to have a support that's gonna stop this Earth to see I'm just from destroying your off-laner
I guess Earth to see em like on paper against most of the tanky off-laners that in itself
You know you're looking for kills and at the moment found because they're just not gonna get the chance to get them
I think this mid lane, the way that nothing to say is kind of played it, you know played
it to its limits.
He's kind of coming out on top.
He's got this full wave coming in.
He cleans this up.
He's going to be ahead of the leaner and you know, Marry is having to take the walk
back to base.
You know, nothing to say he's played this very, very well this matchup.
Both of them are side lanes, we're having pretty much similar farm being found by both
X-X-S and Amar, similar in terms of levels as well, we're just about to, you know, kind
halfway to the level four. Mid lane. Nothing to say, he's hit the six. Sonic wave with the
ready, so we've got to keep our eyes on him in terms of coming in for rotations. Getting
maybe a plus one in the mid to try and punish Maureen. It's going to be hard now that Maureen's
been able to reset. Get back up to full HP, full mana. And here's that movement coming
in for HGF. Why turns up? We could be opening stun. Well, the TP's coming into place. He's
He's gonna need TP back up here, Maureen. He's gonna try in town with the Laguna.
Actually, force enough to say to have to blink away.
He's getting right click down low by X over an FY, but it's not enough to kill him.
Both will survive with the support backup.
Maureen's able to get out of there.
Nothing to say, we'll be able to take a walk back to base.
See what he does when he gets back to base?
Because obviously he does still have Sonic Wave ready to go.
Obviously, Maureen on the other side did have to use the Laguna to scare.
Nothing to say, oh.
So it could be opportunities for him to TP out to a side lane.
Let's use the Sonic Wave to go aggressive.
I may continue to have a very chill time on the bottom lane, but it's the same to be said for Skeeter Upton.
Skeeter just about hit the 6th, we'll see you back in the mid.
Crypt tries to turn up, gets some XP. Fy will be quick to have something to say about that one.
Caps is in with the hex and ensures that they can start getting some pressure onto this tier 1 themselves in the mid.
Maury is going to be still hovering around, but especially with Crypt dead,
it could be a bit difficult trying to push them back off the tower.
Scansman here as well, so Maury knows that post supports are still hovering around this mid-area
They're gonna be bringing Amaro up to try and deal with the pressure being put on to the mid-tower
Amar
Sunstorm out
Still very scary part of the map. He's thinking about teasing around with the epicenter, but alone
It's not really gonna happen. He knows they've got a sentry down still here
They're full control here, the pressure on mid so they can set things up for nothing to say to try for the power rune.
Power rune, they don't want to let him have a free power rune. Laguna's going to get thrown down upon him.
Power rune will end up being down on the bottom side but with as low as nothing to say is,
he won't be able to head over and pick that up himself.
Amar can keep that safe for the hands of Malrin.
I saw this focus has been going on the mid lane.
Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex. I need to put some more pressure onto Skeeter whilst he's alone.
That's why it comes in with a rotation.
He has the openings done into Hex.
They don't feel fully confident going for it, knowing that Skeeter still has the Enrage.
It's making him comfortable with the response.
Skeeter pops the Enrage.
He looks to try and take Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex down.
With the two supports here, they'll get him.
They bring Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex out of the game, but not before Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex.
Was able to snipe Skeeter there with that final twisted chakram.
So, Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex at the end of it all, getting what he came for.
he's able to kill the carry first, forces big rotations from Falcons. He will not mind
dying there whatsoever. Mid lane, Marry him with the shield room, ready to stand strong,
start to beat back into the tower of nothing to say. Our solvus is going on, of course,
Omar did spend a few moments wafing up on him to try and alleviate the pressure being
put on for mid to one tower. Hazard of course meant that Armey's just been able to get
new space, back up top, never set up here, but the stun, but Speedo should be safe enough
under the tower, see if X-XS wants to dive in again, this time he's got his sights set
for snaking straight in, with the timber chain, snaking will not be able to escape X-XS.
So this top part of the map is starting to get very, very dangerous for Falcons around
X-XS's timber, he's proving that whoever turns up to tier one he will be able to take them
down.
And Fyre wants to pick up some of the speed action in the mid.
Matt Pogt.
Hello.
Stunning to see both teams at this time, and they make some pretty arrested moves across the map.
XG, they're getting a lot at this top lane.
XXS, who's able to kill off Skeeter, and then kill off the CF.
And now they might just be able to find a chance to go for Skeeter again.
Armies turned up here for the first time with that twin-game movement.
XG's a bit of pressure to take the tower down.
You know, they're starting to get that little bit more active than Falcons can deal with.
XG's starting to really make these early game moves.
and keeping thousands on the coast.
Pretty cool that they're doing the play around the timber saw
here, right?
The co-op, I missed like two, three minutes, so apologies.
But it looks like the co-op got a bit just shut down
because the leaner, right?
So they're looking to play around the strength of the timber
and they've rotated up there.
So yeah, pretty good.
And he's got a lot of stacks, too.
I mean, looking at that, yep, this is what, a triple stack.
And then he's going to double it to enable his timing.
And he's going to go for pipe.
So he's going to counteract, or look to counteract at least
the offlaner in the middle bit here, rather than looking
to counteract the Ursa.
So we'll see who wants to be the Ursa.
items they should counter, since he's going that route for now.
And mids, that's not cheap. Wow, nothing to say what earned too.
That's something I don't really see too often either, at least on these mid quaps.
Yeah, well, I mean, what's that sort of safety thing, it's just all in on trying to get these, get involved in these early skirmishes,
and kind of start snowballing with the fights.
I mean, I love earned as an item, but I don't really see it too often as a mid.
for the jump out onto Maureen, an instant stop there at the ulti with the hex comes in,
the heroes are working the hand of god, keeping F-fire alive, missed that little bit long
he'll still dive, but he's able to be around to ensure that they bring down Maureen, they're
looking for more here, diving up to the tower, they get snaking as well, and they might not
even be done that year, they're looking towards Cretan, he's still got the shadow walk from
Corkdown for 10 seconds, there's no chance of escape, X-axis he's getting so much, he's
able to clean up on that top lane, now just bringing his presence over towards the mid
lane, getting him fault in the action, now ready to take down this tower. This Timbersoul
is definitely going to be a problem for thousands.
I love that too. Like I love the way that he's playing just to be that body, right?
Nothing to say, maybe he's struggling a bit. Now the urn immediately leaves his off, right?
He gets three kills, gets the charges, it looks great. So always an item that, I mean,
it's weird on mid sometimes, but I'm never mad about seeing an urn in particular. But
yeah, great bodying by XSS allows him to get all those spells up. And just the stacks continue.
I'm just seeing Ex Nova more and more stacks too.
So the economy game looks very prepared for XG in this early.
Marta's have a look.
So...
They're going to do something with this, with the reveal.
They've got a smoke coming out as well.
But it's still not an easy jump.
I mean, when they look to go for this kind of smoke and play it on the s-sanky,
who are they going to try and get on top of?
He just looks straight for the quad.
I think the core is really...
I think those are all good targets.
Especially now that Hand of God is down,
You have good option to be able to get the kill.
Sure.
I mean, can they burst X-X-S?
You think they still, at this point,
if they do get the jump with the Epi and a plus one,
whereas Lina earlier, so they can kill X-X-S.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
There's not, I don't think this game,
you know, sometimes there is these games
where the timbers become pretty unkillable.
This one might be, it might take some time, I would say,
since he's versus Ursa and Lina,
two heroes that just have that crazy explosive damage
and they have good lockdown, right?
They have the double stuns plus the frostbite from the CM,
so that'd be a well-killed threat.
Right now, a lot of ult were used,
So that's why I think at least I think talcans is going to look to go for something here because
Hanna god was used sonic wave was used pretty much everything was and mid towers well
So let's see if they do want to look to make that move around these timings
Or if they do just want to play a little bit more content and hitting creeps. I'd imagine they do want to make a move though
Let's say
Especially with Ame getting as much space as he has been.
TPs at the ready for him as well.
So some sort of fight does get forced around a tower.
Highly likely that Jiro will turn up and respond.
I always like looking at all these different gyros too.
It's so insane the different varieties of builds that we see on this hero, right?
Some players never wraith bands.
Ame, he goes wraith bands.
Some players never agonims.
Some players really like getting the agonims first.
So it looks like Ame is going to go down that agonist route, at least from what we see.
I'm always looking for a reasoning too.
That's my crazy thing.
Sometimes I can clearly see it, right?
When your Toro sometimes buys like a Manta, you can see lots of things that he's dispelling
or something, but sometimes it's like other players just don't do the same, so it's always
cool.
I love when you...
That's the beauty of Dota is how many different things that you can do with your builds, especially
on the early Gyro.
I'm going to go back in.
Okay.
Let's see where they go with the smoke play.
It's making, keeping over ready to join them up.
Do they have it's it's not like this the easiest their quickest to the 30 seconds still sonic wave there is an amp damage on nothing to say
See what they're gonna hit
Or if they just settle for a kill into a tower I
Guess they will
Get the line they get the jail mom
could still look for another flight they're still in the area snaking is
still lingering and even nothing they say can get brought down from the chain
stun since they do have the three I love seeing Lena CM and sanking together
reminds me of Dota 1 I think these years are always pretty classic isn't it
yeah this is classic they have stuns they're easy they do their job
set up around bottom they do have great coverage XG is this is the protect
double wards placed inside the jungle to ensure that he can get that safe farm
and now he actually switched he goes crit first so I love seeing them right
like he had everything else he does but
Oh!
Avar!
Avar he walks up!
He's gonna get caught in the combo!
He did not expect them to be ready there I mean Fy perfectly sort of positioned around
the tree line as soon as that maw is in range Fy gets the instant catch
He was for the high five too
Oh, that's funny. Tower Pressure.
Chent Creeps are here. Without the Sanky, it's very hard for them to mount defenses around these towers.
And it is going to be around that wisdom too. They might just be able to steal it away.
TPs are coming, so you don't want to lose that.
I mean, Camp Falcons actually fighting to the Shara though.
It looks like XG is scared. Yeah, actually, I actually don't want to risk it.
But the fact that they know that Falcons are going to bring numbers across, they'll play it very safe there, actually.
The ones you love.
Yeah, just having they saw the quap I think and maybe even the timbers so as soon as they see that skater TP
Is that yeah, we can bring numbers if they want a contest this will kill them
So heads up move skater battle theory is done
Thousand behind the Jiro
I'm most impressed with it with xxs this game though as you were mentioning from earlier, right?
He is there's got a lot to it a potentially what could have been a pretty hard lane
His pipe is nearly finished and that's gonna be a pretty huge versus the sanking in particularly certainly game
What if it or is their timing it actually on XG could be very strong to fight in
these next few minutes because they're gonna have the mech they're gonna have
the pipe and then just naturally with their heroes they have a lot of team
fights so see if Falcons is gonna be prepared when that comes to them.
Initiation maybe a little lackluster on the side of XG until they have a blink on
Fy, but strong fight anyway.
Cripp, getting some info here. He has got backup ready to connect, but XXS is not going to need to spend any longer clearing the stack. It's already cleared.
No opportunity for them to get the jump onto him, as you say. That timing's been hit.
Next time around even if they do find him, it's not going to be a guaranteed quick kill jumping this Timbersaw now.
No. They do at least have, I always want to point this out too, they do have the track damage F, so sometimes this one gets completely forgotten about,
but could make the difference in some situations to burst targets.
And he's very close to Vessel too, which is another one of those that's also, of course, for killing the targets.
on the targets, correct?
Oh, that's seen him.
Sentry was still down there around the twin gate.
Krett ends up working in range of it.
If I will take that kill all day,
he really wants to get this blink at a decent time
to have that.
Really just that catching control.
And we do see the build from Malrin.
So he's just going straight BKB.
That's actually pretty interesting.
It's honestly strong, right?
It gives you good damage too.
And the survivability in this game
could be pretty relevant.
See around the mid.
Gonna go home with the epi, longs for Wasek's Nova, they'll get him.
Sivakon will get out, stanking through the trees should be fine,
Mary's gonna help for the TP out, and Ma, he's also okay,
nothing to put a stop to that TP.
But it's a few times round and both of these blink plays
have just resulted in a support kill.
They're not really getting anything big with these Maze Falcons.
No, difficult for them to get, I mean finding army right now is still difficult,
he's playing just insanely safe.
They'll just take what they can get. I mean the mid one made a lot of sense, right?
The one that they took the tower. This one, maybe just because there's not a whole lot happening,
they want to just slow things down a little bit here.
Of course, a reaction.
EKB, it is finished on the Lina. FY, very close to Blink.
This Blink can do so much this game actually on FY.
Yeah, and it's decent amount of finger stacks already, and there are three stacks at 17.
That's not bad at all for the support line.
he's the one to kind of stop he's the combo breaker in a lot of ways too which
is kind of weird to say but since he's the only stone on the team he kind of
has to be maybe in some situations just blinking in and throwing his life away
to stop something
or even on the numbers here
I am just 100 gold away from having that axe on top of the crystalist so he should be able to kind of keep his farm just that little bit ahead of Skeeter and I shall Skeeter just cut the bat off here.
Skeeter's also got the blink now on top of it so we'll be able to clear up that map and get around it a bit quicker so honestly it's probably going to be quite close between these two.
Probably just depending on who's gonna win the Tormentor fight in particular right because that's probably going to start coming up soon
That's why
So close
He's ready to go hunting back at them
Yeah, she's ready to fight they have level 12 just now on the clean of pain too
So they've hit a couple of timings that looks like they do want to play around here
I'm seeing some more itemization get queued up to the Eul's are starting to get queued versus that Ursa
Yeah, Blink is done. So now they have, like I said, it's an actual initiation tool.
So you can test, and Roshan, those 4 mentors are definitely going to be a big point of
contention in this game since there is that Chen who can force things, and there's that
Urus who can force things on the other side. XG smoked, wall tracked.
Oh, smoke's good as a spell though. F1 knows if someone's around.
And that's quite the courier snark there. Amar did manage to get the blink dagger courier
They do still surround Maureen, they'll put the BKB, they'll try and run.
Shift, they can chase him down, homing missile heading his way, XXS in with the timber chain, they kill Maureen off.
Now the homing missile is going to redirect over towards the mark.
Look at the blink off, so it's created quite the distance. It's enough to stop them from being able to chase by the looks of it.
It should be perfectly fine, but it starts to back up, so a little bit of a trade there.
You know, Falcons, they did have a mark finding that career of FY, so the blink daggers out of the game for an extra minute.
but losing that mid, probably not gonna be worth it.
Especially, yeah, objectives are now on the map
to be taken, extra moving into the pit.
It's not too hot there for Mauryan on the lean up.
That's a painful death.
This road should be a free one for XG.
Crit had just scouted them and trapped them.
I guess they just didn't expect them to go down
like that with the smoke.
I don't know if that totally caught them off guard.
I mean, that's the frontline.
What's the scenario?
And it's got to feel a bit rough right when you, you know, as you mentioned, obviously playing this mid laner going for the BKB as your first item that you rush and then the first use of it is just you dying.
You know, you don't buy this item first to have that sort of outcome right.
When you're going all in on this first BKB, you know, you're buying it because it's going to save you or because it's going to allow you to turn up these fights, pop off, get kills.
Because outside of that the BKB rush it can kind of fall flat on his face sometimes.
I mean yeah absolutely. I mean it's great this game to be honest with you because it's a lot of just magic damage on the side until the gyro gets close enough which gyro getting close sometimes can be a bit difficult right versus something like Lina's.
I can truly understand why he did go for it but yeah that's what works really well for me. My GP die immediately like there's nothing.
It's just to go in for it first, right?
Because if I look at what's supposed to go back for now,
I'm going to go back to level the Maelstrom.
And then obviously in an ideal world,
and usually you want to try and get your farming item online first.
So slow down his game a little bit here, Maury.
No, absolutely.
Malmardo, he does have the agonims.
So quite a bit of extra damage that they can go for, even
versus anything like that pipe.
It can do so much damage through it.
As we do still see, I mean, even though he did die, right?
It is still a good advantage of gold on him over the co-op right 2300 advantage
Still just because of that lane and just the way that leaner functions as a hero
That's it
21 minutes wisdoms one for one
No, okay
I mean, I feel, Maureen's got a second BKB queued up.
I'm not going to play with just queue things with an item right away.
He's definitely beamed, of course. He's by the maelstrom.
Yeah, but like usually they queue up an item just to get the Mithrilhammer in the spot.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Maureen buys a second BKB and that'd be absolutely hilarious.
That would be amazing.
Of course, there's no reason to do that and he is not going to do that.
And we do know that Falcons like to mess around with the quick buys.
Yeah.
But he will not buy 2nd BKB.
He's not buy... I mean...
Imagine. It's not gonna happen, okay?
It will be very fun.
Okay, so, timings.
They're into ADC, which is kind of...
I don't think they're gonna probably want to do anything,
which Falcons doesn't really like to do too much sometimes anyway,
especially if they're on the back of the key, which they are a little.
But they do like good timings on items.
They have double BKBs, they have the aggadims.
But see if they do good to go.
There's the jump, nice f1 gone.
I mean they do like to kill these supports, they want to get the cores though.
So that's nothing to say, he's gonna get blown up.
So this time they'll get a bit of a bigger kill.
Now turn towards X-X-S here with the numbers Falcons.
X-X-S getting bought down low, they'll be just able to burst him.
They get the kill, now can they get out?
I like them from f1.
I mean they're not going to be able to get their hands on them.
So Falcons, very nice getting away with the kills this time and getting the big ones.
getting the quap, getting the timber saw, that's what Falcons are looking for.
Yeah, playing pretty passive until their timing. They literally got the BKB on the Earth, and it was instant show.
So pretty much perfect timing to get that catch. Looks funny, but the epicenter on the lion is definitely worth it.
And then they get the follow-up catch because they do have damage for this quap. They do have control for this timber.
And nicely done.
They'll have time to get their ult back up, right? 50 seconds. That's thinking ult is going to be coming back up.
Timber is going to be respawning about 10 seconds still so they will have the availability to fight again around those
Now Marion now has got the Maelstrom indeed. Unfortunately, not the second BKB
So yeah, he's chilling as you say, you know, he's been consistently keeping quite the lead against this quap
From nothing to say, you know nearly a 4k difference now at this point
That's only going to accelerate now that Marion actually has his farming. I'm online
It's not gonna be an easy game for nothing to say to keep up
He's going to try with the jump forward onto a mark.
Success coming in as well.
And he's going the way out of this. He's got a bar of strike into a TP.
It's not a wave, the burst, not enough, a mark.
No way.
He'll survive it and get back to the fountain.
There's actually no way that he's going to get off the same top.
At that point, let's get the jump onto Wards, Malrin.
Missile heading his way, but he's got the BKB ready to press if he needs to.
And by the looks of it, he doesn't even need to.
He's fast enough, or he has the ball charges healing him up.
He's a huge moment.
He won't quite able to burst him.
Yeah, Falcons surviving through these efforts of XG,
where, you know, ults are being thrown at them,
but Falcons, they're looking for it.
Now, army is stepping back up
because those still have the ages here for 40 seconds.
And it looks like they won't even be able to get through quite that.
Arm is still very beefy, very farmed at the moment on the gyro.
At these last few moments, though, are pretty crazy.
You can just look at the graph in terms of golden experience,
the way that Falcons has just been farming,
farming and then they get these kills it really catapults them forward at least
in terms of that because they hit the creeps incredibly incredibly well
and if they can win they might hit them even better.
Come on, we'll get the jump on for snaking.
This one does feel like it's gonna be a really difficult one for Aume.
could end up being like him versus the world with just some auras coming from his timber because this
his clean of paint is falling further and further behind. I clop as a hero is definitely a scaling
one but my goodness 4k behind now it was 2k just a couple minutes ago. Yeah. 4k now behind.
I'm further behind just hard to keep up in the farm and this we're seeing you know using these
sonic waves it's not proven to be enough to get guaranteed kills with the pick-off attempts that
XG are trying to make so it's going to be difficult for nothing to say to climb back into this game.
I mean we can call it a little bit of a different build right because I've seen I've seen so many different quap builds
But sometimes lately especially I haven't seen like treads kaiosan so you can get that type of skill and she can get that
Farm consistently this one is more about kind of like a writer fighting style
So maybe it is limiting his farm a little bit more because of that and now he's going for the agnet
So it's all about fighting not about farming really yeah, so we'll see how much it benefits for him as Malrin is playing for the farm
fight now these are here and the BKB yeah yeah with it with it's me on her
line there's a high chance you know Mary might even make it up to the top of the
network yeah I'm so fast on this leaner so the marines gonna continue to be super
stacked this game oh boy they're gone again they are these timings are very
fast it might not be they aren't think they'll be prepared versus this triple
BKB timing of Falcons
That could be a key tool at least to have that extra physical versus these BKBs.
Definitely going to be looking to turn into sort of a 4-protect one here from XG.
Yeah.
A 4-protect one with only one hero that can disable.
So a lot of pressure on FY to get these stuns and controls.
There we go.
This is the Daegler smoke, so they're going to look to play with from HG.
Crip, looking to break the smoke potentially.
One Fy getting that catch.
It's a little awkward.
I don't really get their hands on him, Fy's still going to try, but in fact Skeeter's just a mid and a mid to the on top of the lion.
Skeeter kills him off.
I'm just gonna try and stand his ground with the BKB chase scooter out of the fight jump off
and nothing to say about me getting ready to pop as well then get back to the back lines
Amar catching both X number and army in the FV Amar is ready to come in with the right
clicks to clean up the both of them it's looking to be a bit tricky here for XG now these fights
are just not happening in their favor they weren't looking for this one it ends up with four of them
dead. Amar, perfect patience there coming in with that blink stun to catch the two of them.
I think, you know, XG might be starting to run out of options. You know, Arme,
he's going to have a tough time carrying this game now.
It truly does feel like they needed to get more done in this early game. I feel like Falcons
is we're able to hit the creeps, get the items online to the point now where I'm really concerned
of what they can do. FY, you saw there how much he got jumped first and then there's literally
No stuns. There's no catch. It's a timber start.
Relentlessly chasing the catch.
It's Ursa, and then the BKB is wearing off.
At least on the gyro. And it's a free jump for a mark.
That really is. That really is.
And I'm just...
Maureen is having a brilliant time.
You know, that one sort of slip up earlier with the BKB reveal.
But outside of that, you know, with the Mjolnir now going into Silver Edge,
he is almost doing kind of tenfold
what nothing to say is able to do on this quad.
You know, so far behind on the Queen of Pain,
It feels like he turns up for the fight. They don't even care at all.
I have a lot of foul, because they don't even give him any sort of notice in these team fights.
Because the QWAP just is not really doing anything against them with how far behind he is.
Yeah, for sure. And I mean, Malrin also did something interesting, because I think Malrin,
since he is one of these specialists on so many heroes,
maybe even one of the best Lina's, if not the best one as well too, he knows all the internet.
So he has this fiery soul magic resist too.
So he's running around with 60 plus percent magic resist in the fights too,
versus a majority magic damage lineup,
but the gyro can't get to him.
So it's a really cool approach and a good pivot
from Falcons, as we're seeing them
really near their strides in the last few moments.
And for XG, yeah, all the eggs now in, not may basket.
I wanna reach this vision as well.
I see him.
I'm looking to see if we can get the quick easy kill.
They will.
Now we will take that, easy Laguna.
Snatched.
Also talking about Mellorene too.
Got the best possible neutral.
Serrated ship with Vast.
So that range as well too.
I don't know, Vast seems so insane.
I feel like they always get it.
These range carries as well too.
They always get the enchantment.
Yeah, it's that one.
And then was the tier four one that gives you like attack range,
attack speed.
Attack speed and yeah, it's nice.
Night vision as well.
That one always feels amazing.
on any range carry range core if you get that one at the tier was that tier four right?
Yeah, that one's the dream. And then looking at now looking at Amar he now has a
basher as well too. Yeah he's got gunpowder his damage is ridiculous he's also hit the
20 talent too so it just gets massive inside the team fights up. Yeah these
fights look this next fight looks very difficult for XG let's see if they can
somehow mount it and allow how many touch your attack targets it's I mean
The Fy has to lock them down, and Army has to be right on top of them.
Should be a set up there, Tormentor.
Yep, they'll get that.
Shard for Exnova.
That's a good pre-shard.
So, what's the trades occurring here with the Brochamp going into the hands of Valken?
Skiddle, grab the Aegis.
Yeah, even on they got the fast. I was just looking sorry to me when we put the support up.
Yeah, it's fair that all the race heroes always get fast.
And I never get GPM on my stupid little green support.
Pretty interesting to see Crick also go blink, so this is just, it says a lot about how they want to play,
of just reaching into back lines. Also, if he just breaks like smoke right, and he can just blink away,
To just break any initiations for them since there's pretty much no catch on XG
It's finally got the axe nothing to say so
We'll have that extra little bit of annoyance in the team fights, but still obviously coming at a time. That's not ideal
There's a slower build up from him this game on the mid-quap
They have pivot, right? Just getting to play versus that Lina. Really shutting down most
of this game. And just hard to make rotations for the side lanes too as we've seen in that
early game. Tried to play around top but not quite enough. They're in. And they are straight
in on towards Armei. Armei will get the BKB off. They'll try and rumble. Skeeter's on
top of the line. Can he get back to the safety of the base? He's going to be fine and now
Now maybe they can try and turn, Skeeter's gone the ones.
The Wages, they have lost F twice, so they don't have that opening lockdown to try and
go on a Skeeter the second time, Skeeter's able to freely blink out.
Skeeter played it very carefully.
He could have maybe BKB'd and committed and got the kill there, but he actually doesn't.
He holds the BKB just in case of things.
So Falcons, you know, Yester had some slip-ups today, looking to clean up a little bit there.
But like Yester, I would have seen him BKB and Chase maybe.
That's definitely not a lot smoother than them today here and so XG really are going
to have to start scrambling to find some sort of way to...
And now our mate has sort of stepped foot into the fights without having to just BKBM
run himself.
And Crits got eyes on him.
I'm going to look to clear out the tier one push.
They want to push forward though and not at the moment.
I don't quite have a ma with them all.
Ma-Rena's just split back up across the map.
We get the next round of items done.
Our ma going to look to go in towards the diffuser and to disperse the next.
Gonna be sure.
That's a Y, but sure.
I guess the speed.
Okay, they're getting everything.
Silver edge also.
See for the Lena, finished up.
Mobility around the map incredibly strong
Falcons very comfortable now doing the Falcons thing, you know containing the enemy team building up that lead more and more getting these next few items I
Dispersor as an item is a pretty busted item, so I am seeing a couple of them queued up even Skeeter as well
The more appropriate one
And our mate, not feeling in the realms of desperation yet, we're not seeing that rapier
cuter.
Still just a standard satanic instaflighter that he's going to look towards as the gyre.
Still quite a way to go before he'll have both of those online.
There's obviously the scaling from his other cores, X-X-X, and nothing to say, it's not
quite happening as fast as they would have hoped.
Nothing to say happens with most getting it, then he on this next.
Yeah, it does feel like it's almost in the realms of him needing it though.
That next fight is relatively bad, he needs it for sure.
But it's also just hard for him to, it is hard.
It's just hard for him to itemize and get into fights because the Ursa jumps him,
but he wants to get on Lina. There's no one to really get on Lina.
Kamari's just free.
Which is definitely a big problem when it's like they have these two,
I mean they took three carries almost because even the sinking is
hitting very hard. Yeah, I mean they really do except for all three all three of these going to be contesting for top net worth
Yeah, I think honestly, I think Maori might end the game still is the top
You know give him a few months giving a fight cleaning up. He's going to have an easier time cleaning up in the fights
Like he's just farming so fast now on the leaner
It's going to soon have that safe Chanik and uh, even if they do get the jump on him
He might just turn and fall here all the way back up
I'll say more I'll go for a more because they're going to get something
I think it's kind of hit a level 25 and he's gonna get one of the happy's that just kills everybody, but that's just a feeling
Yeah, good honor us could be any of them. Yeah, I could
It matters to them as well, you know, they all three of Falcons cause want to walk away from this game saying I carried this
It's making wants to look and be like I'm all I'm higher than one of the cores on the enemy team
So he's not quite there yet
But actually they are looking for the sneaky play here X XS agonies and a toast picked up in these last few moments
I'm going to get the initial catch on Tim.
He's gone.
They're getting so much across the map, Falcons whilst XG is chasing them around, looking
Trying to look for these opportunities to catch someone out. It's not happening
Did you see by the way, Maureen? Look what you got. Of course. Yep serrated ship and of course it's an alert serrated show
Oh, that's the dream. Yeah, that's what it is. Right. Yeah, this is
It just was great. It's like why don't I get attack speed and attack range and sure France and night vision on top
It's yeah, it's just like you can't ask for anything better on some sort of range DPS here
You even know Ursa has it too, so it's an attack range too for these meleeers that hit over...
That's true, yeah, that's right.
Absolutely.
Yep, yep, yep.
Always strong.
Eul's now for Crit.
Has a potential save as well for his teams that he's looking to buy.
The Wind Waker is queued up for him.
But they now have... how many different ways to...
Well, the Eul's at least in particular is to take Rassos, he can just dispel that agonimus.
So he has a few different plays around it with it for Crit.
Gordly kicking in the grove.
XG.
Oh, I got the open and Leon just does that.
Leon.
He just got it. How sad.
And what do you do for XG?
Do you have to keep sort of chasing around the map as five?
Desperately looking for these kills?
Is there sort of any way that you split up and just say,
Okay, we're gonna try and farm up some next big item on our cause
Yeah, I'm just worried for them to split up really because if there's so many kill threats this office has is everybody is split
I think they kind of just have to stick together which feels pretty bad
So definitely gonna see that gold work that net worth probably continue to increase on Falcons
It's just not easy for XG. They even bought the gem if I'm not mistaken a few moments to go to to try to clear out get some information
But Falcons is just maximizing and actually can't really hit the creeps in the same type of manner
I'm just trying to find places to farm, but it's in some scary spots, potential scary spots.
How are these levels looking? Ursa, almost 25, Satanic is done. Lina, Satanic is done.
I'm gonna give you some, they're all pretty much doing the same thing.
The team fights overall for XG. Yeah, there's gonna be more damage because if you get the problem is control
And for Falcons, they absolutely have that control. They have ways to play around it too. Now dispersers are getting picked up for the sinking
Yeah, playing the line in this game must be so stressful for FY you're just like I literally have to get the stuns, but I'm also very vulnerable
I'm just constantly sitting behind, I don't know whatever, to just sort of bait some sort of play and whatever core is on the front.
I need to make sure that FY is ready to respond and try and provide some sort of safety so they can maybe turn and fight.
Uh, mid lane, nothing to say, shows for a second, we'll be able to blink away.
He's being stalked.
They know they're smoked in the mid lane, Maureen did show it there with that stalk.
And they saw the nukes.
I'm getting this, look at the levels right there, 25 on Ursa's hit, 23 in change on the
I'm taking the Lina.
XG got to smoke themselves.
Aeon disk is backed up for nothing to say.
I thought Dometrena's dead.
They have another smoke.
P2.
Okay, we can start the pit again, continue to scout it.
The half Hawkins is sticking to get a little bit more now, so we're seeing actually, I
might get a little more networked, so it did change a little bit here, at least, you
know, 1000 gold.
Nothing to write home about, but it's butterfly, it's getting closer and closer, extra survivability.
Still some issues, of course, to reach, so reaching this lead, that's my biggest concern
for them.
I mean, yeah, FYI's got his work cut out. It's like, they're looking at FYI on the
line the same pro. Can you somehow find like a three man stun onto all three cores? Then
we might have a chance in the team fight.
Honestly, that's what it feels like. He needs to get a multi hero stun. He needs to hack
Yeah, Ursa pre-BKB, right, there's a lot of things he needs to do.
Now, I mean, this is actually a nice shard.
It's not a nice one to buy, but it's actually a very nice shard for Alina in terms of extra survivability, too.
Alright, butterfly done.
Another smoke.
Sabola.
Here they go.
Can they find a fight this time, Exju?
You've seen the last few smokes not really result in anything at all.
They just haven't been able to catch falcons by surprise and if crit is literally just in position to break it
He just blink out right? That's why probably why he did go for they're gonna counter smoke. Oh, this could get messy
Both teams know what's up
Finching forward
Roaches up
I'm gonna try for the jump.
It was Kripp, but Kripp is gonna be able to save himself with the ULT.
Jump forward and a mile. The Hex does come into place.
The episode is already out.
FY just caught on the front here.
And by some safety here, with the Ghost Scepter, they're trying to burst through and they finally get him.
That's FY gone.
He's gonna step right up. They're looking for Marang.
It's a group Sonic wave coming from the side for Marang.
He's healing up. He's surviving through this effort.
From Arme, X-X has nothing to say.
They jump forward again.
They will finally get him, they bring him down, but can they now deal with Skeeter?
Skeeter's into the BKB, takes out X-XS, him and Marl get the stone connection on towards Armey.
The Bastions are coming out of yours, we'll momentarily hold by Skeeter, but not enough to save Armey.
It's Armey falls, nothing to say cleaned up as well.
I mean, XT, they tried their best to find a way to get the fight started in their favor.
They do manage to bring down Maureen, they also get, of course, towards the end of Marl, but it's just not enough.
You know, you kill two of the carries, the third carry is going to clean you up, and it would be the case.
Now, Skeeter gets the cleanup, heads into Roche, it just feels all too much for XG at this point of the game.
Yeah, but it literally is what we were saying, right? It's the three carries, it's a four-free carry.
The other heroes aren't contributing nearly as much, and then Ice Skeeter played this fight beautifully.
They had to commit so much to get to Malrin, which I have to commend them that they actually got it,
but then Skeeter just has absolute free reign, gets the back line, kills the chen, flanks around, cleans up the rest as the true carry.
Oh, someone's got the MKB queued up next, but I feel like we've got to see this rapier.
You know, it's that item that allows you to out-carry the three carries, I feel.
But at the moment, Armys still opting to play safer with the build, the MKB queued up.
That's interesting.
They still a ways away sure you can disassemble and things like that, but we'll see which one he does look to go for
I think it might it might still be right there, but we'll see it up
Peter
Fy in position to make sure that X know of it gets to live another day
I'm surprised if I live so long the ghost that he really did rain kind of play actually did a pretty decent job, but
It's too much to go through with health of how far they are right these three cores
Yeah, I got the Hex, they got this control, but it just wasn't enough for them to bring down.
Cause he got the Hex before the stun came out from the Sanking on the initial Epicenter, but...
Arcane Rune.
Now you have to get through quite a bit more too, right? Cause now it's the Aegis,
it's the Cheese, and it's the Refresher Charge, so they killed now even before.
Now they have to go through that Cheese in potential two or three lives as well.
So step harder even for this next fight for XG.
That snake he is, he is gonna surpass the queen of pain that is looking like it.
Alright.
He's tracked up.
Well, nothing to say, he blinked in aggressively.
The Jules and the Blame out of protection seven miles in on the back line, but he's found the two support
That's FY gone skitter though. He's gone the ones that the ages out of their hands
See if they can go for round two almost that'll be big careful with marrying focus firing him at the moment with the right
Clips in this leaner
To the jump for to get the skitter on top of the VKB up the sonic wave will push skitter back away from army
That might be enough to the army to step up in the back cannon and start to try and clean up
They'll back off as they'll kite away here Falcons get away from the gyro
That was such a fast BKB from Amé, that was crazy actually.
Amar was waiting on the side to go for this Blink stun plant, and he BKB's on the Blink
burrow.
That was actually super heads up.
Doesn't have to live in because of it gets an extra kill.
At least they get something there.
They will be able to clean up some Aegis, lift the fight another day.
Building up the gold here Amé, 3600 ready to invest, how he wishes.
on him really to see where it goes and this is say gonna be quite the game for
our mate to carry but yeah if he does it that will be a pretty impressive shot
basically being able to out carry kind of three carries on team Falcons yep
Skeeter now does have the MKB though so in that last situation if you had it very
likely just gets the kill there but yeah we'll see how they end up protecting
on me for this next fight.
Won't they get the other stun?
Should be.
Oh yeah, he's going to be careful.
He's going to have to walk back to base, but yeah, that was pretty risky.
It's crazy burst damage.
Track again.
Track bonus damage, 16%.
It absolutely adds up.
Little moments.
Got the Dispel, but did have its moment there.
Crypted by back in the last fight.
fight he was over the same place so it does prolong his win-waker build up a little longer
and now did they have any more smokes on xg do you think they're gonna look for another smoke up
get out on the map don't see them having one i they used like two or three back to back for the
bottom fight i don't know if they actually have one left
I
Hate it nothing to say he was trying to push the wave out
Oh, hey undisputed was not up yet
How's the release go by a long time yeah, but his net worth is already grim enough
They're going to try to force it.
Go on, ready to jump.
They just don't have to let the Rax go.
They really don't want to use that buyback.
Just the Falcons.
They want to try and pressure through the mid lane as well.
Mai's ready to make the jump.
He's going to go immediately in over towards the gen.
Blowzapak's over.
Now they're looking towards Zarmay.
I mean, they might find the angle here.
Maui gets the burst opening here.
On towards the Jara.
Fy jumps in and try and hold the back skitter.
Skidder, he's in the one-top of Armae, Armae, oh my god!
He's dead!
Byback is available from Armae,
he'll use it immediately here to try and get back in
on the action.
Nothing to say, he'll finally respawn.
The undistunbed snaking symbol of Rimbaud
could provide some safety after Skidder.
The sonic wave connects,
it's not enough best to miss, he kills Skidder.
Armae tries to move forward,
he can get the homing missile in onto Skidder.
Skidder's gone, jump forward,
Hex it on towards Maureen,
but the BKB's are ready from Maureen and Amar.
Armae is getting bought down low,
calling the epicenter, he's dead.
That's a dieback on army and with that it might just be the end of it here for XG Falcons ready to move back into the base for dead on
extreme gaming
It was just all too much for army to carry against to the end of the day. I
Have Malvry he says just he's playing sake. That was a really nice effort to give him credit at least
But yeah, it's just too much for them to do with on it. You said they can kill one, but there's three carries and in this one
And I think Maori's gonna win the carry competition here.
He has top net worth.
And getting to join the lean up.
Fun and flashy to see.
Just too much for XC here today.
They had a hopeful opening, but nothing to say too far behind
to really have the impact that they needed.
And it really did, you know, we really very much felt right
that they only had FY to set the plays up.
It was all on Fyre to find the setup and you know Fyre great player fantastic Lyon
Even he couldn't do this game for the team because it was only him him against the world
I mean it was only him and there was two BKBs from Valhkent's right?
Yeah, early. They went for three BKBs pretty early in this game once they especially Malina is that first item
So it's just yeah, it's all the pressure on Alina and I'm sorry on the Lyon and some of these games
It's like Lyon needs doesn't even want to be like the first one to go or he wants to be the have first one to go
and then have a follow-up, there's just not a follow-up.
There's no extra disables,
so it's just all about damage being brought in afterwards.
And these supports are being bullied, I have to be honest.
X-Golf has been epicentered like four or five times here.
Well, let's have a look.
They're gonna play on for the content here.
You know, they're gonna get the chance
to have one final fight here, XG.
They'll have all my backup in 20 seconds.
I mean, if someone had to pull this one back.
That is true.
That is true.
They're never gonna be pulling any other GGs.
That's true after that turn around.
And I tell you what, I'm off.
nearly dead. I don't get away. If XG turn this, I mean, this must, this must be like
a 0.1%. You know, we're going lower than 1% on this one at this point. If they can turn
this game, that's going to be insane. But as you said, we already had some pretty crazy
stuff coming out from them on day. Yeah. I mean, this would, I mean, if they buy a rapier
and then go to try to get a drone and they die and they give the army the rapier, then
that's potentially because that's kind of what happened yesterday I think yeah I
mean any three of them could be tempted to buy red I think malin's probably the
most tempted he's got close to the money but I don't think any rapier
purchases will be happening today yeah from Falcons in this game Falcons also
has the memory of losing to general copter we casted that one right that was a
heroic with the general copter omni night there's a while now it's been like
three four months but they had that like crazy comeback 20k deficit and falcons was like oh god
and they were like we're never doing that again so let's see
and nearly a 50k gold lead here for falcons they've got the mega creeps of course they're taking
out one of the tier fours and all three cores in that top spot on the net worth it's a competition
like you said, Maureen. Who's going to win? Who's going to be the top that
word? It really is. I'm telling you, it matters for these players on Falcons.
They want the knowledge of being the best on the team here.
At the moment, Maureen's winning at this game.
Snae is going to get his consolation prize though. He is. Oh yeah, there we go.
Here we go. He's passed the clock. There we go. That's his goal usually.
25 also been hit. A very strong talent this game too. I mean, little things to
talk about but honestly the frostbite generation also is strong extra disables extra control and he's incredibly farmed
Seeing him continue to gather the lotuses. He has a lot of safe potential on his course. He was the wind waker
What's that deal?
Break your skewed up by the way, he did finally
He did
Falcons
Falcons are ready to donate a rapier but indeed he's ready. He's gonna go pick it up now
I what did you sell for that the Mkb right? Yeah, I'm gonna go on
Okay, right. Sorry. Wait. I guess you sell both right? Yeah, he's covered in his boots cover
Okay, all right, here we go everyone up. Can I do it?
All made this is three carries
Yep, our Maverick has a bit of a refresher also on the Queen of Pain, so a little bit of extra damage also, maybe some pushback and distraction.
Roshan, doing the Roshan.
Trit will scout.
And XTR in the neighborhood, they're gonna get the Jep on the Crip, can't quite burst him though.
And that's the Roshan gone, ages into the hands of Maureen.
Episen is out from the Maureen to jump over, wants the two supports, he's going X-men over and F-Y.
This one down on towards Exile, and on the side army, he tried to get in, but immediately deleted.
Oh, come on, pick up the rapier. Perhaps you win the network battle.
Okay, they're gonna focus on getting kills first. Did they see the rapier?
Yes, Skeeter did right. There you go. Pick it up. Get your network up. Pick it up!
He's gonna lose.
Pick it up! You know what the rapier is about?
He could have been in the net worse if he picked it up.
Oh, what a misplay there from Skeeter, and indeed he knows it.
He's like my goodness. I could have picked that rapier team Falcons. They get the win
XG they they they suffered for quite a lot of this game for this was a bit of a rough one
I mean very early on really did start to see it start to develop the blink daggers the bkbs up on falcons
Yep, the first bkb usage from the leaner of course underwhelming but then right afterwards
It was literally just the falcon show. So yeah great show for them
Now, yeah, super nice to see marion back on the leaner popped off throughout at all seven three and eleven
He loved it and a rough one tough one for XG. They just didn't have the ways to get back in on this one Falcons
They'll take the game
Yeah, they really tried to
Drag out that game as long as possible for skidded to maybe regain top net net worth there
And it was just that close quit all you have to do is pick up that rapier. I am Maureen
So the bar and now he's saying some other stuff 15 because they won they're feeling good
And it was a pretty good performance on them overall
Um, I think actually...
Do you really mean that in the hot pot?
I do, I do. I think the early game is shaky and I think definitely needs to clean that up because to be honest, it was not typical Falcon style.
They fed away a lot of kills.
Uh, actually honestly I think had better footing in the early game and fumbled it a little bit.
But I think once they got to that mid game, it looked like very typical Falcons.
They played the teamfights very well, they built a gigantic gold leaf, it never felt like really XG was clawing their way back.
Falkens was pretty in control for I think the majority of that game.
Yeah, and I can definitely see what you mean about Timber because when you saw it as the opening pick for this draft, not even just, you know, XG's first pick, it opened the draft here for the Falcon XG game here.
You're like, Timber has been after a lot of times. I don't know if it's really first pick priority. If it still hits and that, you know, it struggles a little bit.
we saw that normally in lane, it feels like Timber is always winning it coming out on top
and being that oppressive laner, but he kind of just idly sat there. He didn't necessarily
lose lane, but just an idle Timber. And then it's like, how does that even transition that
you're on into the old Timber we used to seeing of getting these pickups being such a map
closer and just being a heinous nuisance?
Yeah, you're you're sort of walking into this Ursa. You know it's coming. They're of course
they're going to respond with it, right? It's very clear. And you're saying it's fine.
going to play against it anyway. And to me, this almost felt more like a, we only have
three bands. We don't want to give Falcons Timbersaw either. So we're going to sort of
steal it. And I think this stealing philosophy has some merit, but I think it's much more
often that it's a shortcoming and you make a mistake by doing that than it is a good
strategical choice. Because people pick heroes because they are good at them oftentimes,
not because the hero is necessarily flawless or without problems, which Timbersaw, yeah,
That's right. I am Malreen.
As he plays the Sankking, it has, you know,
pretty good showing on a hero that they don't play in the off lane,
particularly, you know, frequently, so kudos to him.
Hmm. I tried to wreck my brain for the last time that we saw a Sankking off lane
for thousands, and I want to say it was TI.
Yeah. That was the last iteration of anyone really playing off lane off
lane at Sankking.
I'm really getting the off lanes and the off lines mixed up.
One letter difference.
Gotta be careful with those.
just that simple there. Yeah, but off lane, San can come in clutch because it opens up for that
Lena to be last picked, to be counter picked, I don't want to say, but it didn't necessarily
translate into the lanes. And this is the shaky part of Falcons that we just mentioned, where
they're notorious for having strong lanes, never really losing their side lanes or anything.
Malarine just skill-diffing in mid, but this time around, nothing to say on the Queen of
Pain, a matchup that shouldn't go his way, you say Quinn, really helped his ground, did so much.
Yeah, he made a lot of really clean individual plays and you can see here
Malloryn gets forced to run the base on a matchup that is very lean a favor and
Malloryn had the counter pick and it goes his favor but that turns very much in
the mid game I think nothing to say got a little too big for his britches and
thought he could you know sort of play this hyper aggressive but four points in
the dagger and he went for earn into blade mail into Jules which to be honest
it's just a horrendous item build no one buys blade mail on bondage co-op
anymore because they nerf the item. It doesn't translate well enough into being like a farming tool
or even helping you fight that much. The urn is kind of kappa if you're just buying some casual urn
on a mid hero and then you have no kaya, you have no kaya. So you're not getting to the shivas,
you're not getting to all these items that make you this sort of big chat core and you could see
it throughout the game in his net worth. But he didn't really do very much outside of the lane and
I think these builds that are a bit cope that we're okay we're gonna snowball. I'm gonna keep killing
heroes if it's not flying my face what is wrong with this guy um bank if if
apparently so if you're not getting that snowball then
they fall really flat i think that's the case here right he bought a bunch of
items to try to help him snowball he did not snowball and he became a burden
because because fy's lion was running around with him it felt like those two
is a duo sometimes with the timber joining it's like that is more than
enough that the lion wants to get that blink sometimes even
not necessarily needing the blink has such good initiation and then you just
I just need that extra damage from Queen of Pain to be able to go in, but I have to hear her retreat.
And it's like, alright, we're just delaying whatever Falcons want to be able to do for themselves.
It feels bad towards the mid-game on a line where you use your ult like three times and you don't end up getting a finger stack.
You're like, this is not good. The writing's on the wall at that point.
No, 100%. And I think it's tied into their draft that they have just this one line.
one line he's the only jumper the only guy who can really do stuff for their
team so much of the draft is predicated on can we do all in the early game can
we snowball can we take these towers can we take early map control and the
answer to all those questions was no they could not and apart from early map
control kind of was down this guy is messed up he's just on my case I don't
know what I did to him I crushed his ever-loving hopes and dreams dirt sack
What do flies even eat?
Not that!
That's from the clip, it's dead because you're getting really distracted right now.
About some early rotations coming up from the timber.
So I would say that this definitely aided a little bit in steady up or could have been better map pressure.
Yeah, this is honestly an amazing play from HexhuxS.
He walks the base of the farming in the stack and he has the wherewithal, not to just port back to his lane,
but to look for a second and port into an exchange that goes very well for them.
They combine the heroes very well, combine their cores.
course, Timbersaw, not a hero that typically rotates, but X-XS flips the script and does something a
little unorthodox because his jarcopter is farming in the meantime. That's huge, and shutting down
Lena in the early game is huge, and I think it gave them potential to snowball this game, but
it sort of fell flat, and it almost felt like they played a little slower than they could have,
I think. It unlocked the door, but they just didn't open it. Yeah, exactly. The door was,
they were just sitting there, there's a big door, they're like, ah, but not a door beam.
Okay. How many times do you think you can say you've seen a Ursa lineup not get any of the two objectives out of Roche and Tormentor at the 20-minute mark?
I mean, if that's the case, I can stop, generally.
Well, that's what happened. XG got at 20 minutes, Tormentor and Roshan.
And then had no control over the game. It is pretty infrequent. That's the game state.
Yeah, I'm not really sure and that's also a question to I mean they won on the side of falcon
So it's easy didn't hindsight to say yes, that was the right choice, but to play so passively on an earth so like that
Yeah, I mean I think after to be honest
I think I'll play the first ten minutes right so that he loses safely in tower. He's farming battle theory
He's not even close to blink so he doesn't have those windows to take it necessarily like I don't blame skitter after the start of the game
for not getting those I think he's I'll blame him okay that's fair you blame him
and I'll play the devil's advocate okay I think it's reasonable that he's farming
there to play for catch up I think really for XG it's just I think some
teams can get sucked into this black hole of we're ahead we're strong wasn't
in the game yeah that's right and and they play as too much of a blob they
walk around as a bunch of heroes as this you know big goon squad and it's just
too many people whereas if you're I think on the ball at these tenders and
and Falcons when they're in form. It's just a couple of heroes and the rest of the team is
farming the map because there's so many camps on this new map. I think it's new, it's been out for
a couple of years now, but it really is such a difference to the old one that I think some of
these slightly worse teams are not quite accustomed to. That's bad. Do you, uh, does this Crystal Maiden
and Bounty Hunter, I mean Crystal Maiden ended up surpassing Queen of Pain in the end when it
comes to net worth, but the impact for this, you talked about how good Falcons' teamfight
really was, and that's almost always props to the supports. But yeah, Crystal Maiden and
Bounty Hunter, not really seeing them in Blast Slam, so this definitely feels like a Falcons
comfort and enjoyment, and just how much it added to their teamfight.
I think they did great impact, and I think it fits into the way Falcons likes the teamfighter.
They talked about it publicly, that they're very much, we're going to get rounds of spells
off. We want to play Chill, and what the heck?
I'm telling you man
I feel like I mean that breaking bad episode like I'm gonna I'm gonna drop what I'm doing I'm gonna hunt this guy down
Jeffrey or whatever his name is
You're trying to reference. Oh, no the flasher Jeffery. I just pulled out of the thin air, but the fly episode is the classic
I've never seen like you're talking to someone that's never seen it. It's if you've heard it though, right fly up. No, really
I I don't know anything about breaking bad except drugs
I don't think I should have said that on the broadcast one and try to if you know about the fly episode
I'm sure people are way more cultured than me when it comes to TV shows, but not when it comes to Dota teams
That's right
I will fight you on that one heroic and OG is what's next and you probably didn't know that at all
And this is a competition now because oh gee for it. Oh that top in this competition right now in group standings
They are and they've looked amazing. I'm honestly really excited to watch them play
I think this is a team that is
and how much they've improved
and how they've risen to be a
contender for so far in this
tournament, best team in the world.
And I think that is very impressive for
an organization that was just horrendous
for like half of a decade and now has
risen from the ashes and
has gotten this team and I don't know
how much they've helped build them or
whether it's just the players and they
work something to do with it, but these
players are there on top of the world
right now and SEA, yeah, a region that
the team. They're so excited
about the team and they're
really excited about the
team. They've been on issues
for a long time. So I'm not
now. Org. They bounce back,
and I think that is an awesome
story, and I think it makes
this team very exciting to
watch. It really does. There's
so many things about OG. It's
like. Can you even double down
on being an underdog? Oh, G is
found a way right and all that
you said half a decade hasn't
really found too much success.
You pick a region that hasn't
found too much success and now
for themselves a region that has been under represented a couple of times they hit such
a nice peak when it came out of TI they did fantastic at TI as well they were able to
win the first tournament coming out of TI and since then it feels like a lot of things
are going on behind the scenes and now not really clicking when it comes to games for
Dota but also being able to close out games because there were two best of ones yesterday
where they were leading and they should have been able to take a win it should be for themselves
two extra wins. Yeah, I think now is the time to prove that we make the right
roster decisions and can we win this game against this go team. Well, it's all
gonna start off with a draft in this best of one. OG undefeated so far up
against heroic.
to be a point proven about
roster changes, but picking up
a region that has been so
underrepresented a number of
times here. So, oh, gee, yeah,
I'm just going to keep beating
the dead horse here undefeated.
Just looking fantastic. It is
way more than just getting
lucky when it comes to the
teams they've matched up against.
They were able to beat Lillian
They were able to beat Liquid, Yandex, Maus, and GamerLegion yesterday for themselves.
And Heroic had two really great showings.
They almost won against thousands,
but it felt like they dropped it a little bit towards the end.
And their game against Extreme Gaming as well, when they were 25, 26K gold lead up.
So hopefully they're able to reset.
You already said it, Quinn.
Sometimes you need to have those talks come in
and think of day number two as a brand new day for yourself.
Yeah, I think so much of these group stages is your ability to learn because I think rarely is the team that wins the tournament
Are they just flawless throughout the entire group stage?
I think in a lot of cases you have a shaky day one you have even sometimes a shaky day, too
And you are able to fix your problems and what the heck is he doing?
I feel motion sick watching that!
Goodness sake, someone get that guy out of one of those barf bags
Um, and that's why I think that will be a true test for for heroic here in 10
Can we fix our problems, and how much validity does our roster have, right?
This two players changed since that great TI run you were talking about.
So I have question marks.
I think a lot of people do.
And I think people need their questions answered because they made some pretty bold changes
kicking Schofield.
I think a lot of people thought was the best player on the team in a lot of instances,
an amazing chaos-creating wacky player.
So kicking him for someone more stable, well, it has pretty big impacts on your team.
And we'll see how that shakes out of the long run.
We definitely will.
I will let you guys know right now it has been banned at Viper, Husker, Batrider, Wolok.
It feels like the one that's predominantly...
Oh my gosh, stop it this way.
There's a team targeted, and there's another heroic.
It is Triant, Jikiro, Chen, and Brumasto, which leaves that Razor finally getting through.
and Shadow Demon as well, one of the higher priority supports.
Yeah, I think it's interesting that OGE chooses to take the Shadow Demon over the Razor.
You've seen this Razor be first phase banned in a lot of games, or first picked, but in this game they get it on 9, so...
SD is generally pretty good against Razor, it's a hero that just sort of blob runs into the fight,
and SD is great against those heroes, that's his favorite archetype of hero to play against,
because you just purge the guy running in and your team beats the crap out of him.
Um, and so I can see why they're like, okay, they're almost baiting them to pick razor
But it is still somewhat surprising the two to leave that at the start of today
razor was 100%
Pick ban, but do you know it's win rate clip? I
Don't know. I'd say maybe
50 oh, yeah, it was
Wait, did you know that? No, just vibes. Yeah, it's actually yeah fall losses and fall. Yeah
I don't know, whatever.
I think this Mars, Heroic really likes to do this, and there's been different sort of, like, lines of thought about if this is good or not.
But they picked another core on 13 when they could have picked a support.
So Razor is on 9, and then you've got the next pick out the phase.
Normally you pick a support there that complements your core, but they choose to take another core.
Now, sometimes what that does is it gives your draft a better structure, because you've gotten, you've got sort of a damage dealer,
got this fighting skirmish hero and razor and now you've got the team fight and you've got the
initiator and Mars. Those are two things you need from a lot of drafts so you get them right away
which gives your draft some structure. What you lose from this is you lose some of the ability
to counter pick later on and so it's a bold decision we don't see many teams go for but
Heroic specifically really likes to do this and then we'll pick cores back to back oftentimes
when it's not needed. So I'm interested to see how that like pans out over the rest of the draft.
Yeah, me too, especially because OG do that more stock standard thing where you open up
with the two supports, right?
Shadow Demon and Dazzle are going to be their support combo, and then Anax is being brought
out for that offlane there.
Yeah, I don't really understand why they picked Dazzle here, they just pick the same three
heroes actually.
I think this is identical from their side against XG, maybe you can fact check me on
this.
I will.
do and because I think they did the exact same thing they did picking these
three heroes they picked coddle here which is bad that's right they picked a
instead which is the single hardest counter to dazzle outside of maybe
silencer but you can buy graves against that so it changes a little bit because
he graves and heals and is so focused around this one thing and you just
completely counter that it's also a very classic combo with Ember spirit because
change plus a blast is very very strong together in these mid game
skirmishes it's very strong not to mention they have Mars Spear so it's not a
hero we see very often because his laning is complete dogwater and he's
playing against axe who can battle hunger and so there are some question marks
around this lane anytime you there's an A picked immediately there's risk of okay
are you gonna get smashed in lane because if you do then you lose map
control and you never actually get the situations where you can press this
blast bell and it's to kill people. Do you think dogwater is bad enough of a
description because I feel like there's worse bodies of water out there to describe things
that are bad.
Like some sitting water filled with dysentery bacteria?
I don't know what bacteria causes dysentery.
Are they dysentery bacteria?
I don't know if the plural bacteria is either.
I don't.
Is it like bacteria is the plural of bacteria?
Yeah, I don't know what the plural bacteria is.
Bacteria?
It should be i because it's latin-y, science stuff, right?
And I think i is the stuff, and I think someone, some nerd in chat would correct me.
Yeah, someone at Quinn DM on Twitter and let him know what the plural bacteria really is.
The Naga Siren comes at her OG here.
Yeah, that's a Kari Naga, and we've seen this a few times, and it is, look, cheeks every
time we've seen it. I have my doubts about this hero as a carry hero. Naga is
interesting because historically people think of this hero as a hard carries.
Here that farms a lot and then when you get a bunch of items you carry the game.
But in some ways Naga Siren is actually a space maker for the rest of your team
because she has real issues carrying the game and the reason for that is so much
of her damage is on these illusions but the illusions have a long cooldown. So if
you're playing into heavy team fight then you can just sort of nuke the
with your supporting cast of spells.
And then it's just one, you know, main Nagasiren,
which does not do enough damage to win teamfights later on.
So what she does do is she pushes all the waves in,
she gives you a vision, and she enables other heroes to shine.
And so I think for OG, you need another really good scaling hero
in this last pick, because Nagasiren,
if you don't have good scalers in your team,
you will not carry eventually against these heroes.
Which the last few times that we've seen,
OG Natsumi is normally playing that, you know, archetype of the hero.
He did amazing on his TA right that's the hero that's scaling everyone else is making space
So if you're putting him him on the narrow side a lot more pressure goes on to
Yopage to have that later game impact rather than just creating the mayhem in that early game that he has done so
Successfully before yeah, I totally agree
It is a good Naga game in some ways
It's a great hero against a right because the hero is so focused on he needs to get this blast
And if there's mayhem and chaos everywhere
Then it's not as easy for him to do that.
Ember is also a hero that in later stages of the game is pretty good against Naga Siren,
but the early game can be kind of a problem because Ember doesn't want to bite BKB super early oftentimes.
And Naga is going to go for that Mantle Orchid.
So there's an Orchid timing that depending on how the early game goes and how the map is developing,
there can be this window where it becomes difficult for Ember to play.
Now you were saying the games we've seen Naga, she's felt like cheeks.
Do you want to take a stab at her win rate because you were so accurate and good with the razor one?
Um, probably zero?
Yeah, it's 0% it's 0 and 3.
Yeah, okay, because this zero it's just, it's very, it's a very hard carry hero.
And the thing about it is, is so many carry heroes are just about the player,
and they just sort of fit into the general carry archetype.
Whereas Nagasaki is a team hero, and also an individual player hero,
and so I think you need some practice on this hero to make it work as carry.
We've seen some great drafts from OG, this is not one of them in my opinion.
I do not like the tiny here. I think it's got pretty bad matchups. I hate Dazzle as a hero
And I think Naga Siren carry in this specific instance
But also generally is not that powerful and so I think OG in this game
You're gonna have to showcase some of that really impressive play because this draft ain't it
But they they've done that before there's been drafts where you've said it feels pretty even
slight advantage to OG, but then we've seen their support
having those tricky wards being able to get pick offs on heroes that should never be able to get picked off on and then yeah have that ability to really stay stable in lane even with the bad matchups there but heroic running back that opening like you said in the best of one against extreme gaming with the razor Mars and the spirit substituting in the ancient apparition how they closed out that last one was with a tusk for themselves and is it a similar sort of archetype that needs needed to be used in the game.
I think they'll probably go for a range 4. In that game they had the caudal, so they were picking a 5 last.
Or in this game I don't think you'll play 4 AA against Basil, that sounds really bad.
So I think you'll probably be putting a 5 and not picking a 4.
The other core plays Willow, he plays, trying to think of 4s that are good against Naga.
Shadow Demon is one of the best 4s against Naga. The caudal is pretty beef, that's banned.
What are your other options against Naga?
Because Willow is like okay against Naga, but it's not like you're right.
Remember sometimes you say if it isn't so much about the hero to hero match up, but also the player to hero come fit.
Definitely. And I think this is somewhat of a case of that.
Okay.
I think OG, they need to play well to win this game for sure. I think they need to play better than Heroic does.
But I also think they have an avenue in that they have acts against A, so there's a chance that they do very well in this lane.
lane and they have Naga Siren who if she has a good laning phase can definitely open up the map
and it can be very oppressive for Heroic to play in. So if I'm OG, I need to play well in these
lanes, I want to open up the map and I want to see an impressive Naga form so I'm not assuming.
It's not an easy hero and I think it's a hero that has been under executed in some of the games
that's been picked. I think the players playing it have dropped the ball a little bit as it looked
that great. And so I want to see him show me a different side of that hero, play it to its fullest
the game. So, you know, the
game is a little bit more
realistic. Step and really
stick it to a roll on the map
because if you don't do that
and we get to later stages,
then I think you've got some
problems if you're nose you
found. Okay So for OG, it's
really about that earlier part,
stabilizing those lanes,
sticking it to a row. As you
said it, but her work have had
good early games before and
still not able to close that
game. So what does their line
up really need to stay stable?
Keep any sort of oppression on
the map. They might garner in
the early games and close that
their heroes. Well, I think they have great teamfight. They have great heroes
that fighting together. And so we've seen Tyloin get a little too over
aggressive, a little too eager, bite up more than he could chew sometimes and
feed a little bit. And so if I'm heroic, I'm just saying, Hey, let's, let's
bring a little more numbers to some of these fights. We've got great teamfight.
Let's take advantage of that great teamfight. And if we're going to bring,
you know, an attack at a tower, let's bring the numbers. Alright, bring the
numbers for the side of heroic right now. Oh, gee, have the numbers all in the
wind column. But could a carry Naga Siren undo all of that? We'll get the
opinions of our castes with Alan and Fogged.
Here we are, ladies and gentlemen, OG up against Heroic.
And indeed, there's a Naga Siren carry here, Fogged.
We've seen this era.
We've not really been sold on it.
But if anyone's going to sell it to us, it would be OG.
Can they do it here today with it?
It's going to be interesting for sure.
It's a very different style draft.
And OG is very exciting to at least look in the drafting
phase, because they have yet to start with the same opener.
A lot of teams like to stick with similar comfort and stuff.
They've had Brewmaster Sky opener, Weaver Spirit Breaker,
and now we've got Shadow Demon Dazzle, so all over the place really, and it's pretty cool to see, so we'll see if they can make this one work, because it feels like the archetype of this one is a bit different.
I say that, but they also had, it faces Void support game with the Darkseer, that we also were like, this draft looks crazy and they ended up making it work, so let's say this is interesting, because Heroic is strong, Heroic is a very well-rounded, very high teamfight lineup.
line-up.
Let's see if they find any action here around the Smokes, come to an end, looks like neither
team's going to get tripped up by one another.
It's very interesting stuff, double saves as well too as the opener right, the Dazzle
and the Shadow Demon, not something you see too paired too often really at all, Dazzle
now coming into the work more than he used to, but yeah usually not something people
like to favor as much.
One of my five 10s.
One of the disruptions that temporarily hold back Numa,
but it's not gonna save 10s.
He'll go down.
First blood for King Jungles.
Well, that might help the laning phase of the AA a little bit,
that extra bit of gold.
So, for all AA's, lane can be quite weak,
especially for something like Axe,
but extra 500 and even a Willow starting down there,
maybe they stick the three down here for a little longer.
Yeah, that's good.
Okay.
I mean, even with just the raise in the AA,
is it even though they if they kind of get gone on they can't do too much to
save themselves but if they start getting ahead in this lane like these two
have a lot of offensive potential right for sure it's just AA overall as a
laning hero is pretty dreadful it's probably one of the worst five
position laners you just don't really do much damage you don't have a control
you're not tanky your spells are just quite weak you're really an old mostly
an ult reliant hero and you're just playing around you're poking and prodding
inside the wave of days of harass.
In terms of the other lanes, the mid matchup, you know, Yopaj coming in with a tiny against Tylong on the Ember spirit.
Is this sort of a matchup where Tylong can kind of have a bit of an edge against the Ember?
Um, I used to think so, but I actually haven't seen these Embers doing fantastic.
The animation, like these attack animation and the way that some of them play around it is just so nice to trade versus these tinies.
And I actually saw RCY solo kill Yopah yesterday as the enemy.
And now Yopah is playing the tiny.
I don't want to see if he trips up in a similar manner this game then again. It's a tie long.
And let's see a lane that we don't really see ever anymore, right? It's a Dazzle Naga.
So Naga has its weaknesses at times sometimes.
Dazzle Naga pretty much makes it so Naga is not going to get pressured in this lane phase.
This is going to be a free farm for Natsumi, I imagine.
I imagine it's still just going to be with the same build, but we were seeing the other day from the carry Naga.
Especially this game versus the Ember, I imagine so.
He's going to be okay. In fact, we're going to carry him.
Easy carry there for Nico.
These two at the moment not having enough damage to really fully punish the axe
Here you go. There's a black grenade even. Okay, they just really looking to push him out
Let's get your build to recover though with the pork the razor also missing a couple last
It was the tower Tim's will go to claim the modus as well. He's probably happy
can get like a ward or kill some kind of courier or something here but this is cool, he's actually
gonna get it, he actually gets the blocks that's gonna be gone, yeah he'll go for the
quick reset back to base on top of that, I mean King Jungler's definitely getting some
stuff done here, it must not only be the outcome at the bottom lane but also at the mid there,
sniping the courier. I mean honestly it looks a little funny with the suicide but it's the
time that it'll take him to get back to the lane right, it's an eternity, he probably
wants to bring some items so you know what, sure. OG, at least in a moment though in his
lanes a little bit ahead now I guess it's absolutely free-farming the other
court I was gonna say it looks pretty dead here shadow round I'm gonna buy him
so so much safety yeah if I was able to take him out with the avalanche and this
quick swipe of the tree has this shadow round comes to an end
looking forward to see this game a lot too because for me at least it's the
first time I'm getting to cast Thailand I've been able to watch and hear a lot
about this young blood so looking forward to watching the Greshin that's
It's definitely his specialty and speak to him.
He might be dead here.
They have them coming in with a wrap round of the two supports.
The burst hill comes into play.
That's Ty Lungon.
OG making some good early moves already starting
to get that slight net worth lead across the board,
across these lanes here.
OG's start.
OG's are a very interesting team to watch right now.
They've exploded with power in just these couple of few days
and a couple of months even.
This rotation, very unexpected.
The doubles, the SD dazzle game.
Look, you can hear that you don't really see maybe FD sometimes, a thousand rotating?
It's not so common.
Trying to chase down Niko is actually able to be speeding up there to break the static link.
So they can still chase, it's just going to take maybe a little longer to kill him.
In fact, they don't want to waste more time chasing him.
Not feeling that they could have gone from the second round of the plasma field,
but obviously the static link on cooldown.
But he's just taking too long, so Niko is able to walk.
And this is actually interesting to point out.
Two points in the link. We've been seeing a lot of like 4-0-4. They're 4-1-4.
Okay, we'll see what that's going to make of his Tims.
Sports should be able to get him.
I'll bring Ymir over, and I should minus you give him the kill as well, so Ymir's going to be very happy with that.
Okay, interesting. So the thing about Link is, yes, it'll make you maybe, like, win the lane a little harder on paper, right?
But overall, the build that we're seeing with this 404 or 414, you farm so fast.
So we'll see if that ends up hurting you metal, or if it doesn't end up mattering at all.
So I feel like for it to pay off, what he needs to be getting, what kills against the axe in the laning stage.
That's what I would say at least, because looking at CS right now, he is a little bit behind the Naga,
and it looks like the laning phase breaks, if he doesn't have massive landslides.
I mean, this is how it's done, but there we go.
This time around, no Fnico to run.
It probably is just because of the lane.
He wants to just really kill Niko in the first, like,
you know, first five minutes or so, a couple extra times,
and then he'll go 4-2-1.
Now, G-Dog, topside of the map.
Yeah, this tier 1 tower is not going
to be standing too long here for a row.
It comes at a time around the 7-minute wisdom.
And they're gonna bring in the numbers here. They don't want to allow OG to feel too comfortable around this area
And I'll get the setup ones of scab
He will be frozen in position. He's got one more here to pump out. Look at the poison touch up as well. The scams gone
Tylung, he's got 17-1 charges. Abram is at the ready. So they can't fully commit onto him. He's able to walk away safely
But they got a tower. Force of rotation got the tower. Ekono again does die. They will have to heal the shrine
Yeah, post shrines in their favor.
Yo-Page also in a lot of trouble.
As you must get the right quick damage build up,
the hundreds he stole from Nico coming in to help bring Yo-Page down low,
first ground will hold him in position,
and try to juke around the trees, though.
If that's him, that Shadow Ram hit will come for as well as the first one to take him down.
You must. That leads to available again.
Kayak, he survives here against him.
He cannot, as Scan comes in with it up around the shadow wave,
puts you in an early little streak to an end there,
bit of gold influx for the dazzle but before that they got the job done right
they get the wisdom they're getting their kills and then they're able to get the
this sort of early action that you must getting involved in and taking the boxes
also the suppressor play bottom they put a ward down and a century so they blocked
the camp of the stack for Nico so I did the name of the game really for a
really good feel like at least right now shut down Nico which I can't blame them
Nico has literally popped off so far in some of his games I've known as dark
etc. So I can't blame them for this, but the result is now Naga's top, so is Tiny.
So you put a lot of extra emphasis on shutting down the axe and see if it pays off for you.
Ports also kind of shut down though, we can't say right because of that wisdom steal,
but the Dazzle getting that solo kill put Scammin' kind of at the top of the supports.
Yeah, that was a huge boost for him to get that kind of pick up solo at the end of that engagement.
Yeah, a lot of focus on Nico though, as you're seeing.
Even in this other center, I didn't see this one placed a couple minutes ago, but around
the triangle, we did see Theo as well placed that one to block.
So yeah, it's going to be a catch up for Nico in this game.
Let's see.
I just see what the potential is from that.
See me down the road.
I mean, we obviously caught one of the Naga Siren games that we covered.
Did you catch the other Naga Siren game?
I did.
My mind is drawing completely blank.
I think it was the one where they had Darkseer and ZesaFace's Void one, the crazy game that I was telling you about.
That OG did like snap fire, agonimus, shooting the Void in. It was a wild game.
That one is one that people should just watch because it was like Naga, Enigma, and the Endex just couldn't execute
because OG was just doing some style plays.
Did the Naga side of that game look a bit more hopeful than it did in the game that we caught?
Was it still pretty, kinda like, hit log creeps, got a lot of farm? Couldn't do a lot with that.
It was like a 20 minute Naga top net worth and then 4 heroes to the opposing team that, like, you know, one of those kind of games.
So it was kind of hanging on, but he did have the combo, so the thing I'm seeing in this game, they don't have the same set of combos, at least at the endig most of it.
At least see if that ends up, it ends up working.
Thylon, Vessel is about to be finished and got another power rune, so it's an amp damage for the next potential move.
OG content, which is, I think for them, they're content with kind of sitting back until they have this one item, the Blink on the tiny particular,
because of how tough Niko's game has been.
So let's see if Heroic wants to put emphasis on hitting at least one of these few ones,
or if they're also just content with playing for that catch up to get that one item since Whisper also kind of struggled.
because they have the team fight right when you look at the side of heroic once
they've got those sixes their team fight it's stronger just straight up across the
board absolutely the bikes go kind of wacky
they can land the sort of ice blast follow-up pretty difficult for OG to sort
of survive the jump from hero in those early stages
time in which the Natsumi is going to be feeling confident to carry it out as the Nagasaki and once he's finished farming
Yeah, I'm truly curious what the approach is going to be and where they end up going with the Naga because yeah
It definitely looks hard like the Naga pick itself does look kind of decent overall across the board
It's the ember and maybe the razor if he gets super fat can be answers for it
But it's just the other heroes. It just it looks like a weird
Kind of combo of the draft with the Naga sign
So we'll see what he can do on his own because Yuma is itemizing it to deal with the Naga Sion, right?
He's gonna go for the Maelstrom gonna go for the Mule near build. It's gonna be strong
It's gonna have that way to fight
Or that way to farming keep at least toe-to-toe
A tower
The brown ball's onto Tim's.
Thailand's ready to go for this baby with the amplified damage.
It's under the tier two.
That's a bit spooky there.
They're going to re-block.
Okay.
They really don't want to go that game.
It's been working so far, still having to
try to best to kind of catch up this game, Nika.
This is going to be quite a bit of a slow-paced game, I would imagine.
I think Aroha can absolutely look to accelerate things, but for OG,
they're looking at slow things now and wait for Nagasov.
Get yourself to drink, strap yourself in, ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah, we'll just see if it's going to be worth it in the long run for OG.
Pretty much.
We've just seen many a show where it's like, okay, let's let the Naga farm.
And then it was like, all this farming for this.
So let's see if Nalsumi can give us a nice surprise and show us how it's done this time
round with his Naga siren.
Otherwise, it's going to be owned for it.
And then we probably won't see it once more.
I mean at some point you know that's got to be the case, yeah.
Some point.
Especially in games that it's lost, it's kind of hard to see where the potential even was.
Yeah. I mean so when we saw it in particular, right?
Like they picked it when a primal beast came out and we were like,
oh god, how the hell is Naga going to play in exactly what we kind of expected to happen.
Like the primal just dunked on the game, completely dunked on it.
That was Maureen, of course, the best primal.
We're going to make a smart move up towards him, see if we can get some sort of early action against Natsumi.
Gun, both of the Q1s, I mean they're taking the bosses, right? Q1 bottom, Q1 mid, got to go for Q1 top, look to control and suffocate the naga.
See if they get the catch.
Tylon's got an idea, I think he saw the Riptide AoE.
They're following the rip time, to be able to see that one sometimes in fog, I think
You've definitely experienced that in team so they just followed him. They're able to track him great fear and scam
Maybe a one one more second not even half a second. It's can maybe gets that grave off
Super class and you sort of dying just to those last seconds of the ice blast as well
It's just about to air off. So it might have been that
Opening to come in with clutch saves, but they couldn't can execute in time a little bit of time that now zoomies knocked off the map
Yeah, I really like that. Honestly, they don't get the T1 though.
I maybe I would have liked that they were able to pressure this T1 as well after the kill, but maybe they'll get it afterwards.
Still content though, 7-4. Razor top net worth. I'm slowing down the Naughty.
Okay, Jay and Theo, just... I think this is how they probably should just play. Just they paired up on the two supports.
yeah yeah they can do a lot between the two of them they can even get kills
between the two of them yeah they're the killers honestly like they do they both
doing it in insane amount of damage if they do get on top of targets with ice
four-tides plus med-loan
yeah
let's see
smoke on OG are in the area
So they can get the jump already, they're changing on to Tim's.
We see the ground ground, Tylen, he's managed to run his way to the backline.
Scan's getting destroyed by Yuma.
It's going to be both of the supports dead.
Can the cause of Ochi do anything to fight back the line?
Something Yuma's pretty low, but Yopash, you can't get back into this.
You're not going to have an option though.
Whispers it, but come over the flank, get the spear pushed back into the spear,
the ice blast, that's Yopash dead on top of it.
So they'll get the tier one, they get the three kills,
and that was very much action that Ochi, they came out looking for.
Yeah, they were trying to get this flank. It actually was a beautiful, like, wrap around there from the Razor.
It messed with Yopaz's concept of how he wanted to jump, so then he couldn't, like, blink,
Abba, toss somebody, and Skam got none on first, so full panning comes into play there for Moji as Heroic.
I think that'll look a bit easy with that further catch, and they still have Arena, so Whisper can't look for another catch.
They've got the setup, TP's are coming in, and look at the Uries, they get the static
link off though, whispers in with the arena's big combo, that's Nico dead for that attempt.
The roe quite fast, and making sure that these little moves or these attempts from OG in the
early game, again, shut down every time.
And this, I mean, whispers, he kept the arena, right, they didn't need it for top lane, kept
it for bottom, immediately pays off, gets another one on Nico, 0-3 on this axe.
The second he turns up out of the jungle just dies again.
Maybe now do they go?
Now that spells are used, maybe they'll try to force a little more on OG, right, Razor,
was a bit low HP, Mars ult used, so it looks like they will push forward for this tower
here.
He wants to fight with this blink.
Talon not going to give them the chance.
40 out of there with the haste rune.
Will at the least get the tier 1 by Lux Vogue with the pressure and that,
zooming down here as well.
We'll manage to take this objective.
Talon accelerating the Sheevis.
I like this. We saw yesterday also similar.
We saw a second item, Sheevis, picked up by a storm that looks fantastic.
This item does feel in a, it's in a very very strong spot right now.
In a lot of games, even in out versus healing, it does feel like it does so much,
especially if your lineup is just all magic too, which they have quite a lot.
So that extra amp-loop is gonna be very nice.
On top of the vortex, heroes are gonna die very quickly.
So that pipe definitely very necessary for Niko, and it continues to get stalled out.
Tylon, he's gonna die on the scap.
Ice Blast from King Jungles is in.
He oughta buy some time in with the ult and the grave, but it comes to an end so that his life scams gone again.
That long's popping off, Yopash.
I mean, they see him in the mid.
Yopash.
Oh.
He blinked over in anticipation of a rune spawn, but it was, even at that, it was a few seconds too early, so he's not getting any rune, and he's not getting out with his life.
As Wisple would just easily turn and just drop in a reader on him.
So Yopash.
He's canceling them.
Yeah, they're crumbling a little bit there bit sort of you know uncharacteristic move from him to sort of take that risk to blink into that position blindly
Okay, Natsumi does he have the orchid done it looks like I think he's pretty close to having it. It's not having it
Yeah, it does. Okay, so let's see what they can do with this because let's say I'm starting to get to that point where yeah
Other Naga games where I said at the top almost and then it's a bunch of other heroes and their other cores are really falling behind
and force continues to... I forced someone to support. Niko, he has the pipe done so maybe now they can
rally something together, but it is not easy fights.
Every easy fight. Oh, now find the Alakoria, not Sumi, not so picked up there with the Orchid.
That's kind of what he has to do. Look for what has played off. Mindy's little solo place at the moment.
That's the best one.
A lot of pressure on that Sumi.
On a hero that we've seen on other carries, they just haven't been able to make it work.
If that Sumi can make this work, we are going to be very impressed.
The SEA Naga Sirens are a different creature for this.
It's true. It's true. Some fantastic players for the reason on it.
They like to hit those creeps. They like to take it late game. They like splitting map up.
They also like fighting relentlessly, so it's kind of a weird one that's rich for them, but whatever.
Hey, Jett.
Making the way to the top for Renter in about 20 seconds, and then meanwhile, which he is looking for their own play, are they going to catch them here?
takes him down as they'll bring down both supports on top of that oh gee again
these kind of moves these little sort of attempts are hunting down heroes
they're not working out for the miss game each and every time heroka
winning the chase low patch will come up with the jump maybe him and now Sumi
can clean things up he decides on to tie long not enough burst though and now
now Sumi's in danger he's gonna try and sing but he gets frozen in position see
if he's still able to run from this you know and whisper ready with the chase
Now blink forward into the spear. This is going to be a painful death for Natsumi as you know these sort of moves where you're turned in for fight.
Yopatch also still around. He's going to go for the TP out and make it out just in time before the spear connects.
But these deaths on the Naga Siren, they hurt badly, Pog.
This game feels so damn difficult for this Naga Siren. I mean, of course, it has no game.
They've done everything to shut it down and honestly, that everything has absolutely worth this axe is a treat.
can't even run in and do much with anything. Can't get close enough to get the call off,
to even get the pick offs there. Maybe get the two kills before everything kicks off.
Yeah, this is looking really nice. I do have to say though, the heroic, I love how they're
just decent keeping. They know that they're about to try to defend the number.
He's gonna get himself another easy one there.
Neumas down to get completely out of control. 8-1 and 7. Mega kill, Street.
Well on the way to have the BKB on top of the mountain, turn the Maelstrom.
And this Razor is absolutely massive.
And we see why Razor is first-band in the majority games, honestly, this here is ludicrous.
Crazy teamfighter, crazy farmer.
Let's see when that sumi goes next.
I think in the other game we saw the Nagasar and it was kind of Mantor or Kid into straight heart.
They're just trying to tank up against the overwhelming damage that's been thrown out of the Nagasar and the illusions.
What way do you think Natsumi wants to go?
What other options do you have as an Agisarum to go towards?
Because whatever you get next, it's going to be very important, right?
Because there's a high chance that that next time you get might be the last item that you get this game.
Yeah, HP is pretty important though.
Anything else you want to slot in?
It doesn't give you the HP you want.
It's a Scotty butterfly in heart.
So chill. It looks like he's just queued up the butterfly now, but even then it's like he's gonna be incredibly HP pool-wise versus all this magic damage
He's gonna be sub 2k HP
Yeah, it's gonna be so sort of clinical with the pick offs with the orchid and the man to plays
If they're not starting the fights with that soon be getting some sort of crazy angle getting on top of one of the supports
It's gonna be very difficult for him to have a presence in the fight as you say just down to how squishy he's gonna be against this
Good mix of damage that he wrote have ready to throw down on whoever steps up
They keep finding kill after kill after kill it looks like Nico maybe
Whisper Mars we don't get to see it as much anymore, but every time I do see it
I'm reminded why this guy is so good at it. He's got the Lotus finished up now through so great timing
Yeah, I don't know they've got the counter versus the Orc is on multiple heroes. Yeah, another question error
Yep, they've got the Yuloz on the willow the AA
This looks really funny, but he has like double floppy had a chain mail
So just a little tankiness to survive potential those on him too
you. Take the city tower. Oh gee, not ready to turn up and try and defend these sort of
objectives. So here's on the top. It's going to be going down. Hey, look at you, man. You
may just play his own mini game. He's like, I don't need anybody. I am just as strong
as you're on the map. I can run into. I mean, no one can go on it. I mean, that's what we
You can try, but he's not going to threaten this Razor, surely.
And BKBs are already on top of the Mansa, so they just cannot go on the Razor right now.
What's the left?
I think they could get him a toss back into a car, perhaps, but not even in the case Niko
has actually decided, I'm not even going to go blink.
He had it queued up for a second time, but now he's just queuing Manta.
He might just be dead again, though.
Tylon, he's getting set up the rest of the row, making their way out of it.
Niko is going to try and run away down the river, but Yuma's hot on the chase, sent to be set in for Tylon as Niko dead once again, 0-6-1, as you said, they've really had it out for him, it's absolutely working, you know, maybe this is an approach we're going to see other teams go for against OG, they've been looking phenomenal, maybe this is the key to sort of beating them, just completely crushing their offlaner, crushing Niko.
Honestly, from the games that I've seen, I can't blame them that they did this, because a couple of games he played as Darkseer, versus like, there's this troll, I don't know if you saw this, he clipped the troll with the wall, and he killed him enough, like the wall plus the troll, he did some really crazy stuff with some of these games, so.
Honestly, power to him. If you shut down Niko, it's definitely a good approach if they do have this type of craft, which is quite reliant on the off-laner.
and the sum will get up the song then I assume it
I guess that the question is if you're OG and you see this is sort of the star
that's being adopted against you like going back this game as well is there
anything OG could have done to try and give Niko a bit of a better opening in
this game and what could they have done differently to try and stop Niko getting
to the point where he's kind of slipping down into the ranks of the supports
when it comes to a amount of farm.
Maybe it was using the FD to do the wave pull instead of Niko somehow,
because what I saw was Niko pulling the wave got dropped really low
and then had to do some, I don't know, constantly coming to the lane low.
So maybe Timbs could have done something better to manipulate.
You know, there's always things you could do better, right? So...
I mean, they're going for Niko again.
They're going to find him again.
Ooh!
Whoa, they've got him!
It's close to the base!
But can anyone actually come over and help out?
See, Scam attempted to do so.
And there was going to be no saving, as Axe.
TP out will not be successful, as he was able to put it to an end.
The ice bar he became in a hit on towards Scam.
They won't be able to jump over and capitalize on that though.
But again, they got what they wanted.
Killing off Niko once again.
I actually got to check also how...
That... I think that was pretty cheap.
Like, like, quicksack. Kind of cheap.
That's the pressure coming in onto the high ground now, heroic.
They know that it's very difficult for OG to fight against them.
They'll be able to force out the fortification.
So they'll look to sort of fix the situation on the other lanes, because they're not assuming
doing the best they can with these illusions to keep the waves pushed out away from OG.
He needs the heart to build the fight, so the butterfly is just a farming item, so it has
to get heart, and then maybe when they have heart they can perhaps mount the defense because
he is top net worth and I believe I mean yeah Nico's it's not gonna go for
blink at all so he's saying he's only Yasha and Samantha so looking to get that
farm caught up so one have that secondary call so I'm wondering what it's
gonna be that the Nogashi feels stronger than the fighter yeah look at the
stats it that's 0-2 as well I mean maybe that's the case you know obviously
OG had a pretty fantastic game yesterday yesterday so like you know what we need
a bit more of a challenge let's pick some of these heroes that no one else is
winning with and showing us that you know they wanted to go in today on the
heart mode I appreciate that you know everyone like everyone likes a game
that likes to put on the heart is difficult you just kind of did today
with this first I can't tell how to hear that opening with SD dazzles acts
afterwards when I put this what they see they saw razor bars that's just
interesting how they did decide to approach this one place oh gee has been
a very interesting to watch how they do drop this a lot that's the ages the
Tanex soon done for Yuma and he is level 20.
And who knows? You know, maybe Natsumi in this position, he's like, you know, he's not even, he's not even sweating.
He's like, guys, this is fine. I'm going to carry this. I'm going to show the world how you carry a game in 2026 on Naga Siren.
We'll be hyped.
Because of course, you know, with the time passing, his farm is still there.
still is quite good it's just what he's up against right the razor is very good
even good versus illusion heroes in general safety for the ember
safety kind of for the Mars we performed and we've been able to farm
top our whisper he's gonna be heavily outnumbered here
can they burst through him
he can't be just out here
get it off before the call and if you know what that might just get him out
It does. He is away. That delivery, that BKB press could not have come at a better time.
And now her right there, she's looking to maybe strike him back here.
Tylen and Theo are cornering. They're not too scared.
You're attaching proper BKB himself. He's a little scared.
He's having to go for the BKB TP to get himself out of this one.
Tylen, throw forward the remnant, get the chains connection onto Niko.
Uh-oh. Niko might be dead again. He's going to run.
the vessel ticket him down they'll get him gov like on Ceylon for some very nice
remnant and change plays there for coming out from the ember to ensure that
when a fight starts going badly for OG it starts going real badly he's really
struggling to get out of the action he's just real treat to watch on this ember
spirit do all the little tricks with the slights I saw me yesterday actually mess
up one of the slight tricks and to put him in a really awesome position so yeah
Tylon popping off and yep, the best one of the best
Yeah, that's you that was crazy. Well, it literally came what just what pre-destruction during this is drugs
It was like what bad I think it's just an idea or something. Yeah, either way
If you like get some multiple tails and now it's here to
Mr. Hart catch you're not ready to dive into the base special now without say tannic
He's just still a course, he's going to be fine, but I've lost that Aegis quite yet.
He goes up there.
Now Soon has got his heart, he's got his butterfly.
Now whatever happens, he can continue to just at least keep two of the three waves shoved
out with the illusion spam.
He can make this game go on.
Now that's the great thing about NagaSone, you know you just have to sort of destroy
that the stamina of your enemy you know not okay he says you know we can keep
this game going in over one hour looking at heroic they do not have the best
base hitters on similar to yesterday they don't have because they have the
same heroes they don't have the best ways to just force these buildings unless
it goes for like agonies which just doesn't happen anymore so I there could
definitely be that point where Naga can stall and stall and stall until maybe
he keeps still lesser nuts when he feels like he's actually powerful
He could keep this game going for a long time.
You know, they might never win, OG, but maybe they'll never lose.
That's what he's going for here now, Sumi with the Nagasara.
He's ready to keep this game going for another, maybe another couple of hours, see if he can do it.
I roll it though, I don't know if they want that.
Here comes the buddy shooter 6.
One minute left on the stages.
You're feeling indestructible here on the front line push.
What can I do to slow them down?
Now Simi has turned up here to be a part of the defence.
Eyes on the passbacks.
Tim's destruction of Thailand's gonna go straight for Tim's as soon as Tim's revealed his position Thailand's on top of him
Tim's is dead no buyback on him. That's the ages gone
But was definitely very close to coming to an end anyway the Yuma
So no worries though
Creeps are in deep being come and Nico
Also, what that man so I think is on the courier right? I think the rest is on his way over
So, he's gonna have illusions, now soon he's got illusions.
If between the two of them, they can make sure a wave never crosses the river onto the OG side of the map.
This game could get a little bit annoying for a heroic, despite the fact they have this lead, they have these unkillable heroes.
The creep-killing moves could be pretty big from OG.
They would be very wild. The thing is, it's Natsumi versus multiple carries.
Wouldn't I now I can't kind of do we'll see
This is really interesting if they can just stall it forever
Wondering the potential of this Naga son
How long can they still leave with the hacks next of course now so mate we'll see tall man to take it down and you
But they're lovely little pick-up there being one of the later ones to get that free shot
That's big time you let's say it's Roche, right?
Heroic really wants to just get the Roche and then probably look to force things in,
at least get that.
Get one of those Raxans, ideally, then Natsumi, just looking at these illusions, Axe plus
those Naga illusions, looking to cut.
Now Niko is going to kill the Blinks to be able to try to get some catches, because
in the base pushing, it still does give you a bit of fear.
Because you get tossed back, you get Axe called, it's going to put things into maybe
awkward situation, so...
I'm out, maybe see if they can find Natsumi.
Scared?
That's the jam on the frontline.
They're close to Natsumi.
They see the real one, they get the set up!
Kareena spent the blast, they've got him! That's Natsumi gone for 50. Now they're
ready to jump on for more. Scam, they'll get the grave off, that's a hill, ooh,
somehow that's been missed, but that doesn't matter, he's dead.
So they're the wave? They do, they're the wave bottom. So everybody has to escort
this wave to go for the push if that's what they want to go for here, as it is
30 seconds, they do have a little bit of a window here perhaps. See what the choice
says Yuma thinking about where he wants to go he knows where he goes because of that word
and he goes like get me for that clean date right now and he will and he's away instant
tp back to safety we'll lip this time so he's able to get his hands on the blink
but you know I know it they might lose your posture he has ekb tp
He's actually going to live, but they go and look at the wave too, right?
The wave that the Naga was dead, the bottom wave was going to push it.
They've stalled things out, split them up.
Gold lead, of course, continues to grow for Heroic, but OG, just to see a few more minutes.
Keep on stalling.
Like you said, it might just be a stall for what, but they're going to try to keep on stall.
I don't mind a good stall though, you know, it's chill.
Everybody kind of lock in and she said get your food get your drinks
Of course you don't have to get any Qs this one going
As a friend you just say you're getting in Q right you're Qing up exactly you're Qing up
And then you're gonna get disappointed to the end of Q
But you know that the Qing was the fun part the stalling was the fun part
And now sue me it's gonna go for the PKB next so that he can actually kind of get in on the front as the Naga Siren in these fights on the main hero
I'd be so impressed if this Naga does do it. I'm just looking at this looks yeah
Yeah, that's the thing if it doesn't do it. I think me and you are gonna be
We're definitely gonna have our opinions if we see teams continue to pick Naga Siren carry
Yep
Well, let's see. That's certainly is the same. He wants to challenge. He wants to show the world what he's got on Naga Siren
I'll show us, you know, what other carries have not been able to.
I guess too, watching these illusion carries is also really funny, because look, he's 27,000 net worth, right?
He's a little 17, and Razor's about to be 25.
Yeah, yeah, you don't get much XP, right? A lot of it's just the illusions, we should say, clearing up that gold.
You know, always these illusion heroes are getting under leveled.
leveled skim. First get caught. And all three cores on the side of rowing. It's not like
it's just one of the cores, right? It's all three getting big whispers builds. It's got
the octereen too. It's a nice greedy. That's a big pick up. That's how she was. BKB now.
Assuming
Neeko
Not gonna get out of the Tp this time
You were with the Swift blink
Immensely aggressive
Just bought that as well
Very good look to sort of jump the high ground
I guess they're going to take the rush first. Take the rush first and go down one of these lanes.
Now, the other two want to contest the rush. I guess without the axe, it's probably not going to happen.
No, no. Getting over here in the 10 seconds or so is also not going to happen. So, I wrote,
I'm going to clean that one up. Hey, humans. Yeah, level 25 as we saw pointed out, they're also hit. He is.
I'm so far I'm honestly 30k at 38 minutes on a razor as you said the reason this razor is getting bad first few
in every single one of these games but my goodness Yuma has really styled yeah he crossed it this game
this is a top top razor performance from Yuma
Oh
Better get those waves pushed out
He does he did the smart thing too. I was gonna say I actually would prefer we go for bots over upgrading the mule there
He does exactly that so he has boots to travel to these keep these waves pushed out
He knows he's strong enough on his own on these side lanes to not get kicked and they can just join his team
Not too late for trying to cut the wave, get rid of his bottom wave too.
Doesn't get the entire one, but midway just shoved out.
A keyboard in place, they see not too late.
They do!
He's in on top of them!
He's got the chains, Blast is coming in, that's it, it will pop the BKB!
But here's the BKB TP out of this one.
I was not assuming he does manage to escape, scam.
Not gonna be as lucky.
Fuel's just there to stop the TP.
This is going to have to be a bit BKB and running away there for now Sumit.
And now he has no BKB for the high ground push, so this is where Haroach should be able to force things pretty hard.
That's all he can get going on the defense.
No pass, trying to slow down the count.
Tile Authority in on the backline.
So this is the 10s.
This will be able to hide in the trees.
Portification out.
The third three is still gone.
This is going to drop the arena on 10s.
Song will come out from that, Sumi.
It's going to give Tims a little bit of a chance.
Ice blast coming in doesn't connect.
So 10s, they get to lift it up a day.
Start the defense, Oji.
Everybody back up the look for the toss place not gonna happen. Just gets the illusion and now you're past a bit of a dangerous
Bar has to put the BKD and head back
Scammer move forward the arc trying to get some sort of damage you control him onto humor
But you must still doesn't care still too many steps on the ages for the razor
You might be continue to stand strong here on the push
I'm gonna heal up now with the same soundic
We'll slow down the siege
Somewhat. So much slowed down.
Tim's has to be so... I mean, Tim's is pushing the limits really.
They're stepping up like that rest of this Mars. I'm surprised that he actually lives.
That's how he forced the song to protect them. But, he's still kind of lingering in the area.
They have a double catapult down here. The human is hanging.
But it dies for him.
Okay, bags on the axe, so Niko. Haven't seen this one purchased too often.
If you can get a 5 man clone, spin like crazy.
You may just straight in to see what this little throw down on him.
The Rift whist button in again.
He's getting the ring on to Tim's.
Jump forward in the remnant ready.
Tylone's there to help.
Puck them down.
Hold them back.
Tim's is gone.
Well buyback immediately.
Tylone does get caught in the call.
Do they have the damage to kill him?
They don't.
BKB's at the ready.
OG have to back away from now.
From the Ember and the Razor.
Rain tracks taken out.
Yuma turns and stench towards the melee.
Rictor's the disruption is slowing down temporarily.
As it comes to an end,
and he can keep that push going.
OG not able to get Yuma off the barracks as Yuma will take the full set here on the bottom lane
and they'll be able to back off with no life's lost and the Aegis still intact here for a minute.
Trying their best at their deficit but they just don't have the damage.
The control on Tylo was actually decent there with the axe call but there's just no follow up to go from there.
They have the fully disengaged Yuma.
Learning his lesson maybe or they are in general. He's hitting those buildings. He's really focusing the buildings.
buildings. Not pushing too far forward. Not giving that extra opportunity for the side of OG.
A couple big items they can pick up too. I think they've gotten, well they've
10-tile. Plus gold in the last few moments. Natsumi's got it. He's got his eyes on Natsumi.
Natsumi's also got his eyes on him. Strikes down with the heads of the silvers, but back-ups on
the way. Natsumi, he'll have to be kept in TP out of this.
that whisper is everywhere and you're not here with the Lotus. You know, you need to
scan the silver round. I was able to just chase him out, pick up another kill here Yuma.
neutral. I can probably hit him on the mutual creeps.
That's great place to get around to just come on your basis, right? Even that little
play where Tylen maybe can die, Whisper TP's gets the Lotus off until just in case, because
right away from that. So it's the cash bonus.
It's not fair that supports are always the ones who die.
Why does it reflect damage this way? Why is it like physical based on your armor and then you die because you're some squishy support?
The supports just kill you. The core is just killing you. It's something.
It's a team game. The cores, they're going to care about their support so they're going to be making sure that they don't accidentally kill them.
They check their items. They're like, you have glimmer for staff? No? Okay, you're dying.
Let's see where they go for for next hit 22 K lead 30 to 6 that's what means that peak
He bought his box to he's got the BKB. This is where he is
It's not that strong not by any means especially with what he's up against as we saw him trying to beat down an ember spirit
Let's keep the game going keep the game going
Oh, I just heard a BKB.
You're nice.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, patch.
At least we'll get out.
I mean, I say that they're chasing him.
They might still get something here, Tyler.
He's trying to reach.
Not quite.
So Tim's and that's assuming we'll be fine.
Let me just...
Tyler getting very close to 25.
Scam and Miko are seeing if they can maybe get some sort of jump, but you know if they do get the catch it's
Hard to find the damage between those two to threaten some of the life of Whisper Mars
I don't actually know how they kill Whisper. I gotta be honest. Yeah, I think even if there
I think if there's five of them on him and he gets arena off he lives
I'm not kidding
He'll have 800 HP regen because he has the 180 regen talent and he is dauntless
But I actually have no idea how they can kill Whisper
That's to be said for a lot of heroes
They only do have six kills, of course. It has been one of those games
How's the creep coming going?
Illusions on the bottom way. That's the question in this game.
That's 100%
How long can they hold?
Excuse me, checking in not to meet. How's it going?
Very well. Thank you very much.
hold hold hold
My goodness, these heroes are getting bigger and bigger
This Razor is going to have literally everything
I mean, he still has growth too
as a refresher, as he agonized, as he lose the shard that he can still get to
Yeah
I mean, that's the thing on the other side, right?
For NatSumi as a Naga Siren
You know, where does his growth go?
At this point
Okay, he can technically still have agonism quite good on him
This is a BKB, but
Is he getting the option?
I'm not going to have to BKB his sum until you think
Did you know what would be hard?
A basher.
Tylon, get that basher ember. Get the basher.
Let's do it.
Whisper, he's gonna find Tim's. He really has it out for Tim's.
I think the last three arenas have just been solely thrown down onto Tim's.
This time though, they'll get away with the kill.
I mean, that's what you should do, right?
Yeah, Tim's is a mario.
Yeah, we'll get the SD.
He can't save himself. He's not saving anyone else.
Okay, Whisper will be the one to use up the basher.
He's like, you guys aren't gonna do it?
I will then.
Dude, we need ember basher. We need ember basher
Come on tylon. He's not a bash. Get the slight bash
Got a
Properly angle your slice
Cuz it's not why not, you know, he doesn't need a basher anymore. Who cares about that. Selva Vest will pick up a basher
That would be great. I mean, honestly
He thought yeah, it's actually it's actually worse. Selva Vest will sell the pole
You don't have money for basher. Buy that bash for tylon. He knows
come on honestly Owen after yesterday then losing the rapier game I'm sure
they're in a full serious mode let's show we've been serious exactly this
one should put the passion he's not serious enough you don't buy it whisper
well what's first we're gonna sell for us we still got a slot
I guess we'll give gems to someone else yeah we'll give you a sub
support we're carrying a dust the oligarch hacks and their monsters
Honestly everyone in heroic having the fabric right out of the freedom under pro G
I think only that's who me is perhaps having a good time even if that I
Mean that's the thing when you play now the son in these sort of games you're you know your teammates
No, I'm a good son. You're the only one who could maybe be having a good time. Just constantly
Yeah, I go to the west of you're having fun
He's under attack.
Incredibly careful how they approach this game.
So, waiting for the next rush as well too.
Oh no, Yuma's going bash as well.
Okay.
He is killing it, right? I was going to say.
I mean, two of them are.
Not that bad.
You know, Tai-Lung, he's got to get one as well.
Yeah, bash is pretty good.
I'm not running out of bad at this point,
because Yuma's got insane amounts of attack speed, right?
Like, he's going to get a bash.
Now if you try and TP out underneath him, one of those hits is going to bash you.
I mean, it sounds like, why would you ever get it, right?
Like, if you're Daedalus or something, everything sounds better, right?
But whatever.
Nah, I mean, all that he needs to do is catch him, kill him, and not sue me once he's out of the map.
And if he's dead and you can't push the waves out, the game's over, right?
Yeah.
It just sounds so funny, right?
Like, let's get the batches.
I hope so my gps alone here, but let's have a look
And if OG finds a way out of this game, it is gonna be pretty ridiculous.
This will be quite the victory for OG if they could somehow trip Faroli Cup with the final hurdle.
The good eyes on you, but they're not gonna get the toss back though.
And now they just have to get out of here with the BKBTPs, trying their best to escape.
They're gonna try and chase down that Sumi, he's got the BKB, where's the BASHA, did he pick up the BASHA BASHA?
We got the basher out.
For the soil as a venture, get that basher.
Let the basher.
Insane how true it is though.
Throwing away Cliff on the wave.
Scav tried to push it.
He's looking for Scab.
Can he help you with anything to help him?
They're gonna try to get the toss back.
That is a far talk.
That's a big toss.
All right round two though, you're past is gonna be of course still outside of the base and humans ever to blink by to safety
Oh, that's the big get me ready
So again be kept ETP will be the order of the day there for signing back to safety and scam did end up buying back
But hey, you know what they took the ages away from you ma
And you know what that means they might just be able to keep the game going a little longer
The road though. They say no, it doesn't matter. We don't have the ages. We want to get out of this game
They're back into the base of OG
the creep waves
They're gone
Where's the longest attack ever he threw him it really far
There we go, you'll push big uses refresh your BKB though, so he does not have a second one. Yeah
He gets caught very likely dead
That's Rax.
It doesn't seem to be anything they can do about that, I'm just gone.
Asher's dead for Whisper.
You can bring it out.
Very nice.
I think it's a tower rune.
What is it?
It's the worst one.
An inverse.
Alright, Abyssal. Now it's guaranteed that they can stop him. Uh-oh. He's trying to do a bit of shopping!
Bucky? He's at gold. Thanks. Oh my gosh, I guess he figured that out when he sort of got to the register and he was like, oh damn, I can't pay for this.
I don't know what he's trying to buy. Micro-managing. So yeah, he's dead for 70. No buyback on him.
back on him.
They've been on this board, but the scan comes in.
Oh, look at that.
They're going to go straight in here, Tylan, trying to sort of hunt out what's going on.
He's going to find Jopaj.
Jopaj, BKB is back up.
So you're going to put the BKB in, try and run.
But he knows he can't TP out.
Too much damage coming in.
There's no way for him to escape.
Last Jopaj gone for 90.
And now they're ready to jump into the base.
See if they can chase down Niko once again.
They'll catch up with the slide chains.
He'll be able to break out of it with the man.
He does select the blink.
And the BKB ready if necessary.
We'll blink away.
And also three of them get there.
He's cutting the mid wave.
Sorry, Durnit.
He's cut the mid wave.
Top wave and bottom wave are pushing in, though.
So with three dead on OG,
Sony, Natsumi, and Niko alive.
Niko can work on the top wave, but there, this bottom wave's a problem.
They've got a big wave coming in on the front of them.
Gonna go for the song.
TP's still on call-out, though.
It's still call-out.
They're gonna try and chase.
Not as soon as he tries to fly back, but he's definitely gonna need to use it. That's a neutral.
A neutral! My goodness! A neutral!
How did the... how much damage that neutral did?
Like 20?
20.
Well...
Something, I guess, for OG.
But they need a lot more than you're something right now. They're losing the base, they're losing the game.
There's the mega creeps are gonna be out.
They might have one final fight in them, young players are up to about 10, they could get a good call on to you man, very close to the base.
Nice play.
Oh that's a big arena blast, they went on to the 3rd, my goodness Whisper blows them up, the 3rd's them dead.
And onto the tier 4s, they've had enough here, they'll tap out, GG it's called, heroic, we'll take the game, despite OG's best efforts there, to just not lose it.
They tried the best they're not losing, but when it came to turning, they're not losing into a winning with the slide up and in this position, it seemed pretty impossible for them for them.
Yeah, the draft overall just didn't give them that much hope, honestly. After the axe gets shut down, it's Naga vs. the world, and it's not even like a good draft synergy.
And honestly, this Naga dazzle overall too. I've seen it a couple of times. It looks very, very weak, so...
Froji, perhaps back to the drawboard a little bit here, maybe some other things, but Heroic, this draft looks good, and it's a similar thing they used a couple of times.
Absolutely, I wrote coming in very smooth today. No slip-ups no mistakes
They showed it down and og with a bit of a different approach here as to what we saw them
Dominating with yesterday. This one doesn't work out quite as hot. All right, they take the game
There are always two sides to the reminding yourself that it's day number two coin here when you're at the top of the lot
Uh, you remember it's date number two
There's plenty more best of ones to go and it doesn't mean that you're secured to making into that next stage at a blast slam
And if you're like a row it coming into day two, one and three, there's still plenty of
best of one.
That's right.
Move up the ladder and for them, they went back.
They ran it back with their opener of Razer, Mars and Ember.
They changed up in the supports, but honestly, just that, I want to say the Razer and the
Mars in itself is so phenomenal, phenomenal for a row.
They couldn't get that win previously against Extreme Gaming yesterday.
But this time around, yeah, OG not having the drop they needed to deal with it.
And surprisingly so, so considering they beat Nagasir yesterday.
Yeah, then they choose to run back like the casters mentioned, this Nagasir and Dazzle combo, it's really bad.
These heroes have no synergy together and this game was honestly an exercise in futility after 15 minutes.
There was just absolutely no way they could win this game.
You saw at the entire game, they're just cutting waves.
Owen said it best they were trying to not lose but there was no way they were ever going to win.
They were just delaying the inevitable. So thankfully finally this waking nightmare of a
draft is over and they cannot pick these heroes again. I think Kari Naga has shown her weakness
right? You've got a tiny you've got an axe these are helper heroes that want a big bad core you
know if you're to bring the game home and Naga Siren is the complete opposite. She's also trying
to help her. Everyone's helping too much. Somebody said I'd be selfish. Enough helping okay?
Okay, sometimes you got to buckle down and say everybody step aside is my time and no one no one said that it was everyone's time
So it's the inverse. It's not a team game anymore. That's right. It's your game. It's my game
You gotta rule it right now and it was not this game for og
Um, but yeah for heroic
I think they there's a reason that they picked these heroes before and the reason they lost was definitely not the heroes
They lost because of play the game they threw last night against xg
Um, and I think the heroes looked good this game
They had very nice draft integrity and you could see as time went on they were not stressed at all
They were full chilling. They knew it was just a matter of time until they won this game, really
Would would you okay? Would you go saying in the other day? It was like more down to the play
Yeah, you say it was a lot cleaner more disciplined this time. There's still question marks about the play
I feel like you're about to be a hypocrite with what you're describing for heroic
No, I think they I think they played better this game for sure than the one actually
Um, I also think xg is draft was better. So like there was more room for whoopsies. Okay
Um, but I do think that heroic has a problem that they should not sure they should not get over height by this
Can we want you be like there's some a little you can be happy for a little bit
But I think you need to also need to buckle down and you know and see that you guys
We're really bad at building a gold lead and I think they are I think it's a problem the heroic has that it's just them
It's not just this game
We have some clips. I think to show that there's a period of time here where they are the scores 21 to 6
They are up 7k gold lead pushing the base and over the next minute and a half. They proceed to lose
Almost 4k gold lead just by being inefficient. I think they come up up too much. They
Forget to clear waves at times that are good and sure they end up getting an aegis out of this
After quite some time, but they lose just 3k gold lead from being inefficient
I think that's a problem and against teams like tundra or these really efficient teams
You will not beat them just off of this stuff alone. You lose your whole advantage and
and it will bite you.
Also, drafts, right?
Because OG, I think, does belong in that conversation
of things like, what did you say,
conjures and spirits?
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, I think OG deserves to be in there,
but their drafts is a little bit rough this time.
And then it brings out two more questions from it,
because you said you wanted heroic
to bring numbers to fights.
And obviously they were doing that,
but now you're saying they're hanging around each other
a little too long.
Is this because of heroic or is it also part,
you know, they're losing a gold net worth
like that because there's a Naga sign in the game,
which is notoriously good at being able to just spread out
and fall in a map.
It is definitely part of that.
Like a lot of Naga's network is fake and useless.
So there's definitely a component there.
No, it's true.
Naga is an inflated gold hero.
Some heroes, their network is fake.
Alchemist is another one.
It's fake gold.
No, so I think part of it is like the periods in the game.
I think earlier in the game, it's better to bring numbers
and there's a little more leniency there.
But as more time passes,
like over committing numbers to a certain place
punishes you more because the enemy can push the waves faster.
They farm faster.
They get more gold from the time that you waste.
And so I think early on, bringing more numbers to places
and winning these fights, opening up the towers,
goes a long way.
But once you've reached more of that mid-game phase
where you're trying to squeeze the enemy in,
if you're chasing them around like this,
they can just go over here.
Like spatially, you need to see them be panning them in.
Like you're the shepherds and they're the sheep.
I feel like that did still happen.
maybe not as back-to-back or succinctly as what we're about to show,
but one hero that really kind of felt the brunt of being shepherded was Bax on the side of OG.
He had such a rough game. It felt like any time he tried to get out onto the map,
or there was to cut, wave, maybe take a small little neutral camp hero there for himself.
Bam! Horrocks right on him.
Yeah, I think speaking of sheep, this is a bad performance.
This Axe was...
He was not doing anything. He bought Pyfe into,
I think Manta, which is not a build that I've seen in a really long time.
It's so cringy.
It's... you're laughing. It's not that cringy, clearly.
The music choice is great, by the way. Nice job, production.
This is the lovely Malaantash.
Yeah, he did nothing this game.
And I think this sort of goes back to this issue of you can't pick too many helpers, tiny acts.
These are heroes that are not particularly good together, unless you've got a really selfish carry.
It's something OG, they've clearly shown this tournament that they have a lot of potential.
So you need to set yourself up for success because force that's just hard for anything
I know what you did! You did so well!
Ah!
That's just music joy. It's actually so good.
So good. It's so good. Everyone's been there though. You get to the end of the game.
Maybe you don't even have to wait till the end of the game.
I'm done. Like why are we even still?
Yeah. I think I had some Hosscar game where I was like 0 and 13 or some crap like that.
Maybe more than one.
one. Yeah, a few. I was gonna say one, but that's fine. Just dig in a little deeper. It's all good. Much love. Yeah, rub some salt into that wound. And OG might be looking some of their wounds after this one.
Ultimately, it was down to that draft. And you coined it when you're like, as soon as you saw it completed, you're like, they're gonna have to play out of their minds. And whilst we're giving OG many props that they deserve, you just cannot overcome sometimes a hurdle that big.
So, for them, yeah, a really tough one, heroic.
Don't get too excited, but it's a really good show.
I'm glad that they could close out the game.
Because they have built gold leads before.
They had that XG game where they were like 26K up or whatever
and couldn't close it out.
But the fact that they're able to commit this one
to a massive, massive.
Discipline is definitely something
you have to practice.
It's not something you just have overnight.
It's not something that's innate necessarily.
It's just something you practice as a team
and as individual players.
And so I think having these games
and taking it over the finish line
and building these principles as a team.
We always do this when we have these leads
and relying on something that works,
that you find that works over time
and having whatever structure that is for your team
and building upon that is really important
to being able to be like,
you know, people think about Falcons
where they can just close out any game.
Once they have that lead, they're just gonna win.
They don't throw it away.
Getting to that stage, that's something that,
you know, they're a new team
with a 16-year-old mid-player, right?
You gotta build that over time.
So there will be a little bit of grace period there.
Okay, well, enough of the wholesome whole,
you know, warm, kind-hearted bullshit that you're going on about.
Tundra, Yandex, 33 Vasox are right now.
That's what I want, the drama.
Geez!
That's right, we're gonna get the tea cup salad.
We're gonna spill all the tea on this rivalry right now.
How would you fare Yandex up against Tundra?
Now, do you feel like Yandex having one Dream League
surpassing expectations are gonna ride that high
and just crash on into Tundra's dreams
of winning another Blast Lamp?
Yes, I actually do think, I do think Yandex
actually has a good matchup against Tundra.
I think the last the last LAN final was not an accurate representation of these teams matchup
I think that was before Yennex had fully leveled up
I think they were still getting used to the super hero that is Soxa
Fusing their team with life force super Soxa. That's right. Super Soxa
That's what we need to rename him to
Amen, and he's this this guy is a beast and I think he knows 33 better than anyone
And in that tournament they won online
they ended up beating Tundra in a very close to one and I think they've only continued to get better since then and I think
Um, stylistically, they have a good matchup against them because I think they're another team that picks scaling heroes and is okay playing a longer game.
But I also think that they have the potential to bring some aggression towards 33.
I think Watson and Malady pick very, very strong safe lanes, and they're a team that can actually punish 33 and shut him down and put him in that situation where he has to come back and now they can attack the other places.
Yeah, I'm looking at the other teams the index have gone up against so far because they're not sitting exactly where people might have thought they would be one and two was that day yesterday so not an overly great day for them but one of those losses was against OG who we've already said is like putting out phenomenal doda right now.
right now. XG was the team that they won against, but Heroic was the other team they lost against.
So this is where I'm like, I do want to, I'm all aboard the Super Soxia train, right? All aboard the
Yandex knowing Tundra. So you can skew it a little bit that way, but it is still, they lost against
Heroic, who was struggling a little bit for themselves, and, and then won against Extreme Gaming.
So it's like, are they, like, where are they sitting really? Yeah, I don't think they're in
peak form right now. Compared to maybe where they were when they won Dream League, I think right
Now they've been a little shaky and I think part of that
I think your junior has impressed a lot of people and he's improved a lot
Like he thinks he's a much better player than he was a year ago
But I do think the heroes he's being picked they're very similar and then it's a lot of slard are tiny DK
It's the the fat melee stunner hero which pairs very well with the heroes Watson likes
but when telegraphed like that it can become a problem for
The draft in that the enemy can pick things like Queens of Pains or
different random toxic ranged heroes that punish that archetype of the fat
blobby stun mid hero and so I think it's a little too predictable and so I'm
curious to see if they choose to mix that up before they stick to the
formula they've been building. Well again the formula isn't necessarily having a
stable answer for themselves it's a little up it's a little down sometimes
those heroes not really clicking for themselves but they know each other
pretty acutely I would say and so we get to have the pleasure of seeing a draft
play out here between Tundra and Yandex.
Now, we didn't talk too much on Tundra and that's because earlier today we have already
seen them play here on the mainstream. So wanting to give Yan Dex a lot of that time
to shine here because we personally, you and I, Quinn, have not gotten to talk about Yan
Dex on the panel. And so you're talking about cheer junior, maybe having a bit of a rough
draft for himself in terms of being pigeonholed right now. But there's so many other avenues
they can play through even if you want to pigeonhole him.
Yeah, I think they have a lot of striking points. I think Soxa is one of the best players
It's not the best player in the world at catching people once you've got the map in a good state
And so I think in some ways the heroes that you're in your plays fit some of their strengths because those heroes tend to be strong early on
So you can open up some of these towers and you can give way for
Socks that pick people off and to be that dominant catching force on the map that I think he is just incredibly gifted at he sees the openings
He knows where heroes are gonna be and he's always there set up ready to get those kills
so I
understand why they do those things and
And if I'm looking at Yandex, I'm always just looking at Sokza.
What is he playing? Is he playing? Is Shaman? Is he playing? Is he tiny?
Because I think he does tend to play these map control catching heroes
because it just is such an impressive strength of his.
Well, do you know what he has been playing this tournament for himself so far?
In the three games you've seen them?
I would guess Shadow Shaman, Tiny, and I don't know the third one.
Okay, yeah. And then it's Shadow Demon.
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, when you hear it, you're just like, I don't know why I didn't think of that one already.
Yeah, it's slightly different from the others, and it's not so much of a catcher, but for whatever
reason, it is a classic Socks of Hero. It sort of fits into that efficiency, you know, box,
which is the other style that he's played quite a bit traditionally.
Brewmaster First Pick is pretty solid. I think Tundra would have done the same thing. I'm curious
that they respond with weaver so historically weaver is by far the best carry matchup against
grass but they go for the frog that big win rate logo that's right wins every game which begs the
question is it soup logo or are they playing on the offline um because we're talking about it it
doesn't strike me as something 33 plays i have not seen him playing it but it's possibly he's been
practicing it so you know we don't know what they played in smurfs but it is in some ways an interesting
response to Brumaster because he's a lot about this sort of generalized damage. It's not
super focused on one guy and Largo heals everyone up at once. So I can see why it would be good
against Brumaster.
Hmm. It's always one of these things and it's never straight forward. So what I'm about
to say I think it'd be taken out of context. But when teams absolutely decimate on a hero
And then in the next game, pick it for themselves.
It really makes me wonder.
Tundra literally don't even like three hours ago
beat Maus who were playing Lago.
They did do that.
And they also, I have not seen them play it yet.
Maybe they didn't get support, right?
Yeah.
They go, oh, cute Lago, but actually, I'll play it off.
Very possible.
Definitely, definitely possible.
The Anex does ban that Weaver, they know.
That matchup is really not good.
And I'm a bit surprised Tundra didn't pick it on 9 because you know Brewmaster is offline.
It's never going to be support, so you're going to have to pick some carry against it anyway.
But I think Pure is a player that we've talked about in the past.
He's more willing to play these flexible heroes.
And so maybe he's got a deeper cut that he would rather play against the Brewmaster.
Yes, he does have a few hipster bones in his body for sure.
He does, which is why I'm surprised we've only seen him play two different heroes right now.
Yeah, it's only full games, but it's been SF and Flaw.
That's it for him.
At the very least, there's no SF this game, so if it doesn't pick Slark, then we'll get something new.
That's what I'm looking for, Jay.
If it is support Largo, I would say Slark Largo is not a great lane.
Double melee, safe lane. A bit weird.
So we'll have to see.
They will, I imagine, have to show whether where this Largo is going in the coming picks is their second pick.
So they've got to pick something right now, out the phase. It would be the Shadow Shaman.
So, leaving the potential for where this Largo is going open, and this is also a bit of a steel pick, I think,
as it's a hero that pairs very well with Brewmaster, is a hero that doesn't have super hard catch.
It's sort of slows in random craps, so having something that's more
constant and stable works really well with Shaman, and it also a hero that goes in for Shaman,
so we can play on those, you know, outskirts and actually get the shackles off for durations of time.
So a cute steal and also here are the Ari is very proficient on
All good really all very good reasons to pick up the shaman the wins the logo has
Support for all so maybe that's like pre-notion of Lago being a core off-lane up pre this event is
Shifting slowly one best of one at a time one day at a time where we're really finding that sex
more
Yeah, that's definitely possible. And I think that's likely the better place for him to be.
Saw that AA last game.
I realized, because if I asked you yesterday, you would have said only Cole.
That's not true.
Yeah, you said only Off-Lay.
I did not say that.
A hard line drawn in the sand.
That's right, we had sand on this desk and I drew a line and everything.
And you said Lager does NOT belong in the support room.
Ever!
Only Off-Lay.
You know who does belong in the support room, although.
Ancient Apparition.
That's right.
And Tusk.
And that unless you go back a couple years where you want it mid
And it was also a little stint where it's played off lane
But no, it's great against Largo Largo is all about the heels big blobby dude and there's the hipster pure pig
I think that will probably be carry more. It's a with a support Largo
I think putting Largo off lane against a five would be a very very bad decision
So it will likely be seeing
The 33 hero here is the invoker was first phase ban. We didn't mention it
But thank goodness they took a page out of Sanity's book and banned bless up Yandex
Love to see that
Well get to see a different hero from BZM. Holy cow. Okay. He's played some other heroes
It's he said it is invoke a band a couple times
What is the other exactly he played the Beastmaster which he proceeded to lose because Beastmaster's like all in four and
And Ember Spirit, which he won.
Ah, BZM Ember, that's another class.
It's just top three.
When it's not Invoker, it's Ember.
It's Ember.
When it's not those two, I don't heckin' know.
That's a lie.
Don't, don't pigeonhole him.
I mean, he's, he's the pigeon.
And you're the hole.
Uh, I don't know how to tell you about that.
Well, Morphe is a good pick because a lot of people are talking about how for her,
counters come from the sport.
Most notably, I think Grim Shurik is what people have enjoyed picking against us,
and when you show both the Tusk and the Ancient Apparition coming out from Yandex,
you feel a bit more comfortable that they're going to have to rely a lot more heavily on a core to counter her.
That is, there's definitely some credence to that.
That was a really nice way to say that, thank you.
No, sorry, I was just, I was totally caught off guard by Phoenix.
By Phoenix?
And you just like brain jam me.
I...
Too much info at once.
This hero is, it's okay, so it's really good against Brumaster and Tusk,
because they're a bunch of melee units that sort of all run at the same time
and you just spear them together very easily if Sunray to counter the, you know,
all that stuff running in, heal up your guy.
The issue is, you're playing against AA,
but here the traditionally is extremely good against Phoenix.
And so it makes me think that it will be Largo Offlane
because I don't think you want to play Phoenix off and against AA.
You'll just, like, you'll literally get solo killed by Tusk and AA in fights.
And so I think that the end access read as well is,
Sven is pretty bad against Phoenix Offline, but it's pretty good against Largo Offline, I think, in the game.
We saw that yesterday from Liquid playing against Spirit, where they beat the Largo with the Sven.
So I think this is coming up sort of as a response, and A, Sven is also a classic combo.
There are some support heroes that necessitate specific types of cores with that support.
So A, that's right. I know, as I'm saying, you can't pick A with Draw Ranger,
because they do the same thing. They're the ranged Cucks who need someone else to go in for them.
Whereas A-
I need to earn this hesitate and Cucks in the same sentence, bro.
I'm a multi-faceted person.
And so A plus the Sven, they help each other. Sven goes in and he stuns people
and A gives that follow-up damage over the top.
You want that symbiosis in your draft and they definitely have it now.
I think the Sven is a very good choice.
Can't hear that word without thinking of Venom.
Symbiosis.
What's that guy's name? What's his real name?
That's an actor? No, no, like the guy who gets Venom.
Oh, no idea, I don't know. Is it Brock?
Brock who? Brock Hudson? I don't know.
Brock who the fuck asked? Now talk about Dota.
You're talking about... Okay, fine.
Last pick for Yandex. I honestly just look at the classic T-Rex you're new heroes.
I think any of the stun bros are relatively fine. I think it's a okay. So our at our game
It's not great against more. It's a generally it's more that you're looking at magic damage as she becomes invulnerable to physical damage
But you have a and you have brewmaster vassal. So you've got somewhat of mixed damage
But you don't want to go commit to physical too much against more of the Phoenix
So ideally something somewhat hybrid II can work
I could see something like along the lines of a void spirit if you feel like your bands have been good enough
um you'll do anything to see him void spirit
i love that hero it's not that bad right now actually which
i hate that hero in terms of me i mean i love it i love i love it but like he
sucks and i hate that he sucks well who are your top three
void in terms of love yeah wait i want to guess void
huska and
Oh, it's a...
Um...
Not Tango. Tango?
No, it's uh, it's Void, Leshrac, and Necrophos.
No, I was gonna say Lesh!
I love Necrophos.
I know I would have gotten Necro.
It was so fun.
I don't care about anyone else.
I'd never remember that.
All right, they got heaps of time,
but kind of burning in the midnight oil
with that last ban.
Yeah, there's the Tira Junior Bands.
It's the Kunkka, the Tiny, these heroes, they pick them very frequently on the Anex, there's something like a Sand King that you can go for, that works very well with A, it's more that magic damage hybrid that you can definitely see being possible here.
The more stuns, the better with A really generally. That hero is a line up defining hero, but you can also take it a slightly different route.
You can say Ashen, Tusk, Rue Master, that's enough go in.
And we'll pick something that is sort of more of a range
to your old stable laner.
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what that would be
exactly with Viper and Volker band.
And that's Spirits.
So that's staying Vayne to Sancting.
It's like the magic damage equivalent
of the Slardar, Stunny Broke, go in bro.
And it is very good against Moertha.
It's good against Phoenix.
It's a very good Urspray game.
I like this pick a lot and it's super toxic.
Combined with it.
I don't think we're seeing it support.
No, we're not.
You have seen it once already, and it was support on Buxy,
and I really felt for him that game.
He was not enjoying himself.
He was not.
But as mid, this hero can definitely work out.
Definitely can, and they have great bands for it, too.
I think there's a lot of skill that goes into this last phase.
And I think of any of the bands in the draft,
the ones last phase, are the ones most specifically
targeted toward the hero you potentially want,
especially from the first pick side.
So you have to think ahead quite a bit what
might be one in advance of that.
With the combo of an invoker and an ember spirit being banned out, you said what exactly
would BZM pick up for himself?
You were scaring the deepest darkest curses of your brain and Tundra answered it for you
with Storm Spirit and were coming out to the mid lane for him.
He's great at that hero and it's a good storm game.
I think these drafts are relatively evenly matched, contrary to last game.
Um, I think both teams have good stuff going.
I think the biggest question mark for me is 33 Largo.
We haven't seen it yet.
How good is he on this hero?
He's playing against an AA, what people consider to be one of the best counters
to the hero on a conceptual level.
And there's also a Phoenix store in the mix, a hero that we do not see win very
often when it's picked, I think.
So Tundra, while I think they have some good things going on the draft, they
They have some good synergies between each other, and a lot of their picks make sense.
It's a little bit unorthodox for them, so I have some question marks, though.
So everything works together, but the tundra specifically you have questions about?
Yeah, it's a little odd.
Is it being executed, or...?
More just that it's a little...
I think the Largo specifically is a little uncommon.
That's when you look at it, that's when it's shaking you off.
Yeah.
Throw you off something.
It's Largo, and it's against AA.
I think that in of itself is to me, the biggest question mark here.
What is 33's game plan? Is he still going to go for this axe?
Is he going to go for some different item build?
Does he have some way to play against this AA that makes it fine, right?
Because this is, it's a very, very good matchup.
Combined with the Sven, I think it's also quite good against the Largo.
Like, Genix have responded to this hero quite a bit,
and they chose to make it a core instead of keeping him on the support.
To me, that's an interesting decision, and I think maybe the sort of the crux of how this goes.
Well, despite Tundra being able to get a win against an off lane Lago, the hero is left
in the pool.
They think to themselves that they're able to beat that team that is finally able to
get the first off lane Lago win here at Blastland, but everything Yandex has put together is
giving us, you know, advice against it that we don't really believe in the Lago right
now, but in the best of one situation, let's just see, can Yandex level up and finally
take a win against tundra.
Here we go, so another team for them.
I want to bring out the lago.
This WD is some 33 logo coming in first
and as the panel said, despite sort of a reaction from Yandex
by the end of the draft, they still want to keep it on the court.
you're going to have to go
to the court. Keep it up to 33.
What do you reckon? Are we
going to see some magic here
from 33? Or do you think it
could be difficult against
Jan? Thanks. Well, we'll just go
based off on like on paper. I
think the frog is going to have
to be talked about a lot, but
then looking at the answers
right? Quinn was talking
already about how a can be very
annoying because you're
stopping all the healing
you're amplifying damage on
the zero. The other thing to
that I've played this here
silences and heavy burst damage. So when I saw Earth Spirit and Sven and I saw
Liquid do the Sven yesterday as well versus Largo, it looks really strong
honestly. Like this hero likes to play a bit of a longer teamfight, continue to
get all spells out. If you just get stunned in God's strength and popped,
right, it's hard to play the hero at some times. So getting BKB usually not
something too early either. You usually like buying aggs and your items that
benefit off of your the Encore, whatever this thing's ability is called, the
So yeah, I'm curious to see what's gonna come with it. He probably has
Two of the better cores I would say in terms of what he can do with the song right again granting
Spell amp and extra magic damage to him where to and storm sounds fantastic, but you got to get there
So if they can
I'm good outside of that like overall. What do you think of the lip?
What are both teams drafts sort of say when it comes to like the timings and the approach they want to go for this game?
It does look it's a lot of skirmishing
I focus across on both sides, but I do feel like BKBs are gonna be absolutely massive when Yandex gets it when Watson has it and
Then just maybe even the Earth spirit can get it at some point relatively early
I the damage is pretty lackluster on the side of tundra through BKB pretty much not exist in almost
And I'm curious to see how Phoenix is doing. I'm glad that Quinn brought that one up because we're not seeing as much of it, but
It can absolutely have its merits this game when there's lack of egg hitting. You're seeing a three melee cores, a melee support,
so four melees to hit an egg and the Sunray could definitely do some good damage.
He actually went dying light, which I'm a surprise by. I thought he'd go for the hotspot, but
I'm curious to see what we're gonna get.
the
time to
look at the high ground looks
like yandex aren't going to go
for any sort of aggressive move.
They are smoking up. Do they want to walk into this area?
Smoke on smoke.
Let's have a look.
Both of the mids will spot one another.
There is still an opportunity for yandex to enter into this area of the map.
Notice looking for an angle.
Teams very aware.
Both teams very aware
That's a bit spooky if a sack shirt. Oh, the word is a ward now
He's been sensible they're not sticking around too long till our tongue it close in on him. So sax is out
my games
Just get the two for two on the bounty room I was right in the world
So what do you sort of make of the expectations for the mid lane now having you know, but we've obviously be the ML today pop-off on his invoker here on his storm spirit also one of his strong ones against
Chirijunni's Earth spirit like is this a lane that can go rough on one of the two?
I think Storm should be just fine. I don't know how much he can strut down Earth spirit anymore now with this the innate you actually have good damage that's how you're seeing the rise of it
You have 63 base damage, but I mean Storm should be coming out ahead in this matchup
Just maybe there's some crazy play that Chirijun you can do where he kicks him under tower and TP comes in or something
They do have a Tusk who maybe Soksov is gonna do some rotation plays and see his playing
I mean it's a pretty impossible lane for them top. He either pulls or has to make moves
What in line are it?
It's gonna get chased down there, but let's see if you get ready for a stun
But a quick pull there from 33 of the catchy link make sure the Watson will not stand a chance of getting him range of Ari
I really wonder how 33 is going to do because like the Largo hero really has such a
big impact
Based on if you're comfortable with it and if your team is comfortable with it because I saw even the last game like
One of the last games boom was playing the Largo and a couple times. He's just not with this game
So this year I definitely wants to be playing around his team quite a lot
And I just want to make the lane, because obviously as you mentioned earlier, when we
see the AA, having this nearest support that can sometimes mean that the lane is not super
easy, is this one still fine though around the Sven?
Yeah, I think it's still fine.
They have this stun combo with cold feet, I think that actually makes it quite a bit
stronger.
A lot of times AA lanes, cold feet is an unusable ability with Sven, it's like one of the few
times it's actually usable. So I have two lanes that should go on paper incredibly well
for Conjurer. I have the Muerta, Shift-3 Farm, the Storm, Shift-3 Farm. We're just gonna have
to see how that bottom lane in particular goes if there's gonna be any hemorrhages,
and then of course if there's rotations. We'll see what Soxha wants to do with this
if there is going to be a new person on the rotation.
Nice when you push an end.
Melody should be able to get there.
Pull off air, try and set things a bit nicer for Watson.
The momentum.
So far it's off.
Yeah, as you said.
Pure just getting complete uninterrupted farm as the molater.
Yeah, to be expected though, right?
Socks him, no he has boots.
Can't quite get these drags, they're actually meeting the wave pretty nicely as well.
Largo's actually doing great though, on bottom, I thought maybe he'd be a little worse,
or not even just shut down, I thought the stand would be even CS, he's a little bit behind so.
In terms of pressuring Wattson though, I don't believe that they should be able to with these two.
Usually Largo likes to throw the high damage support.
I can make a move there.
We'll see at the same time in the mid.
Shira's unit did go for the roll attempt.
Also up top, Whitemon.
He's going to chase out Saxa.
Saxa's going to head back into this one.
Look at that.
He's not going to win this fight here, Saxa.
That'll be Whitemon very happily having Saxa run back into him.
So Saxa, well, then we're going down there to Whitemon.
So that perhaps is the reason why he does go for the dying light
rather than the hotspot.
He's just about landing things when he just
sits on top of this toss and it burns it down. I've been playing for the sunring later in the game so
ends up absolutely working.
Chirgina's got to be careful.
The rotation of Saks, if the shots aren't going to count, Tron's a BZF.
And in the meantime too, you do see the reaction coming out from RA. He is making his way toward
bottom to ensure a rune. It might be able to go for a kill, Chiron.
I mean he's kind of low, their Chiro Junio might be in trouble. Get the silence down or get the kickback as well on to BZM
I'm just gonna keep chasing him down Chiro Junio will at the back of a sax so rolling in to try and hold them back
When another blast comes in from Ari they kill Chiro Junio and now with the shackles back on maybe they can try and put the chase down on towards sax
Not quite enough just ten just over ten short there to have another round of the shackles
I'll be able to go for him
Now that was close, I've been charged yet. Not quite catching him in tower range there.
Good early move, smart there from Ari, I like that he does that.
Move bottom when he sees this toss going toward mid, they try to go for the roll but not connecting.
Oh he's going to pass the bottle, okay I was wondering how he's going to refill, so he's going to pass the bottle to Ari.
Ari is going to walk toward the bottom rune, he'll pick up the bounty, fill it up, heads up and move from Tundra.
They're on top of stuff in this early game right now.
Yes, I'm not so extra efficiency
Don't take a charge to
Just so I hope that
Notice yeah, he didn't notice
Well, yeah, no, you must be the bug only gave me one charge. Yeah, sorry guys. I've done that before like a lot
Here missing two last it's there with that shot
Holding a skill point, in case he does need a calling. I've seen him do this quite a lot.
I might go for something here.
So they're gonna go in onto Wifor, but Wifor's got the dive at the ready.
The calling's down. Silence onto the two of them. They just turn and they'll be able to take out Saxon.
Malady's gotta be careful. Deadshot's gonna miss.
And Shackles is there.
Deadshot already gone. They don't really have anything left of the tank to try and take down Malady.
So few hours to back off.
I think so. Yeah, very decent start for Tundra off the lanes.
get laid again, are you?
put the setup, see if we put the damage burst between the two of them, hexes well, hexes
here to help out, cheera is going to be able to roll away, close on cheera will survive
but again, prescher continues to come out from tundra on these lanes not making it easy
for yandex on sort of any of the areas of the map, he still has regen too, he's caught
cutting the mid wave so continuing the pressure with this regen keeping it going
so this tower is going to get some pressure here too
just trying to maximize on how much cheer union is going to be missing out on
mm-hmm wave going to the tower that's really good usage of the regen there
continuing it afterwards
What's up, mate?
This Rue is super shut down as well too.
You know, we were talking about the rest is going to free farm, but he noticed he's getting really quite little.
1700 at the moment.
Deadshot again off the mark.
He's missing a few at the end, pure.
He's far from being fantastic, but some of the deadshots have not quite been it so far in this early game.
It's a hard spell.
It is.
He's warming up.
Yep.
It's been a little bit of time since he's played it.
Maybe I'll get there too.
15 seconds, R.E. Just continue. I like that he's doing this. We talked about the last game when BZM did get ganked. I think he learned. I can just play around this mid, especially if 33 wants to do what he does when he just farms.
Can look to guarantee these runes. Chira.
We want to go for it. BZM's quick. BZM is also able to get the pick up on the rune. Gets the Invis.
Look at the first setup. Chira Juniors. Good with the kick and the roll though. We'll be able to get the angle to get out of the way.
They stacked their pull and their shackle a little bit there. Do they finish him?
He's gonna try and chase for this. Has a quite good enough manner to go all the way for that
and are you
Watson is turned up a sack to
Make sure that Ari will not be getting out of here
But it's fine. He's got the snowboard to compensate I get so about it. It's taking him a bit of time
They will finally get the kill goes to Watson but same time in the mid lane white ones diving in kills of Mousy will end up dying in response to
the tower coming in upon it
Okay, kind of wild that that actually was quite a lot of experience but when white one weren't in he's level five
And he gives quite a decent chunk to the to the airspirited level seven on cheer junior
Now look at 33. Maximizing. He's gonna pull it to the neutrals. Get that nuke going. He
did go 1-3-1, so he did start to pivot away to catch you, but probably for efficiency of
farm with pro.
So pure trying to get the pure but pure's got back up and now the hexes onto notice
No, just not gonna get the chance to get the primal swivel as the blue dead BZM swings across to make sure they get malady as well
The setups there for pure to take down the two of them
Continuing to absolutely just
Roll in the money here on this top lane pure top net worth
Yeah, well, they might be able to stop them now
Now, Chirijunir comes in with a rotation and they will get him. They needed that. They needed to shut Chirijunir down. Chirijunir able to make the magic happen. They were sacks up.
So, and finally, a bit of a slowdown on the moe answer with that pick off.
I was about to say, it looks like they really need to shut Chirijunir down. They literally didn't have those getting the words out of my mouth.
So, very important because like looking at the game state and looking at the brewmaster game, it's pretty miserable.
pretty miserable and a lot of their teamfight reliance is going to be around that brew
because Earthspirit can start to suffer if he just has to go in solo and gets focused on.
They want both of these two initiators to be able to go in and make plays
and there's a lot of silence. There's quite a bit of things that can trip up this brew from
getting his spells off either mini stumps from the frogs, the calling, or just these crazy
disables that there's going to be from Shaman. Yeah, already has Tumblr toy queued up, I know.
I didn't see that one, I was cracking off the map.
Another damage.
Gonna catch Saksa at the side.
They can be done to save, and Tiro Junior's gonna roll forward to try and help turn this fight around.
And Saksa will not be able to be saved. The Vortex comes in from BZM, he's ready to continue to try and look for more.
Quick kickback from Tiro Junior.
Swing his attention over to Warren's Malady instead.
Underneath the tier 2, a little too far for BGM to go right now and can resume the pressure onto the tier 1.
Playing it under leveled AA in this game is very sad. Level 4, it's already a hard AA game to play with all the things they have to jump on you, and he's only 4.
Doesn't even have much to contribute towards his defense in mid.
Almost a dead eye, thanks for that.
That's close. He went for it.
Down on the bottom lane, Elise should out with the round of God Strength and Saksa coming in there.
I have to take 33 out the lane. And once this is all going on, you know, Watson, he's having a good time.
The Sven is getting farmed.
The big problem is that obviously elsewhere in the other lanes, Chiro Jr. and Notice,
it's gonna be a while until they really have a game on their hands.
Yeah, and overall the Sven's game, we do have to talk about that, right? He is playing into Muerta, so
So, PierceDeVal is going to be incredibly effective versus him.
Until he has BKB, it can be pretty hard for him to get involved.
He's playing into Ag, which is also incredibly difficult for sense.
So Watson is doing well, but not an easy Sven game by any means for him to just watch him.
Halfway toward Ag's on 33.
This timing might get pretty crazy.
When he has it, if he just looks to get involved with the storm and the Muerta,
I do think there's going to be some big problems with how Yandex can slow pace down
low pace down and look to take fights around it because the room master is
incredibly shut down he could just like his broolings could just die if you
run through with them early.
Yeah, these are not going to be easy fights, absolutely not the difference.
We'll see what they get with the smoke.
End range the triangle of Tundra, Saks, Trincher, Junior on the HUD.
And 33 is literally just, he hasn't shown, but 33 is literally just jungle so
they're like we should probably stop him. They got him once bottom. Looks like they
I want to try with it again to get Wattson enabled.
Nice big ancient stack here for the three of them to clear up.
33.
Get the Serp up, now find him.
Might be able to sing his way out of this one.
I'll strung his way out of that one.
So another kill for Watson.
A few times where he's getting sort of these pickups on the bottom lane.
We'll see over in the mid while he wanted to drop the Serp and was to make that play
but couldn't get the grab onto Malady.
have you read a manna? he's in a shackle manna so maybe he actually just miscalculated a little here
i mean how would you take that? a little extra farm? waste of steppin watch too for some time
gives him time to recover might have skewed up or noticed
that is we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes but this is one that
It feels pretty weird because it's not like you really benefit much from it. You're literally
Nice move moves that from BZM just around the glass you love minus. What do you I hate my I used to
Not anymore that love is gone. This I am losing an item
That's a good question actually. What I enjoy.
Because you're a battle fury, a four battle fury right now.
Yeah, it's not battle fury. It was the decent blood right, but now that's, you know, as I say, we don't see that anymore.
Six minute item. Yeah. It might be, it might still be Gleipnir.
I like Gleipnir. Everyone likes Gleipnir.
They're gonna maybe try for the trade, Yandex, they're looking at the top tier one.
That bottom tier one's gone.
I mean, top tier one's still healthy.
Would Tundra look at a defense up there?
Yeah, they would. TP's starting to come in.
Aren't we ready to start the move?
And White one's already in on the high ground.
Pure comes through the twin gate as well.
Notice we'll get the split off. Blast comes in.
They're gonna be able to burst Pure pretty low.
They've got him. They'll kill him off through the ultimate.
Can they get out though? The Supernova and the Sampson was dropped down.
Let's see what's in thinking about getting in on this.
It's a bit spooky though.
I want the Supernova down on the high ground so they'll hold back.
The Prime Split comes to an end.
I mean, they take that. They are able to kill off Pure with the AoE burst
through the ultimate.
He's the MS4 mana. He has a shield run too.
Still lingering in the area.
That's right, hands on Saksa.
Saks has got Watson, they've done with the stun, they've got the silence as well.
BZM can burst out of the hills coming through from white one with the subray.
And now BZM can turn, look to take out Saks, so Watson's still trying to go for kills,
but he can't now. Godstraight's come to an end.
He's stuck in a very top position here as BZM's having to take down Watson.
That's a big death.
You know, Watson was having a pretty clean game down bottom.
They try and bring something together for the fight.
I guess sort of the call was made right, because they're like,
look, there's no Supernova, there's no circle course.
But it's still a very awkward position to try and force your Sven into.
You know, all their ults are used, the question is, what's there to gain that they're sticking around there for?
It's the tower, right?
With God's strength wearing off, they don't so much use.
That felt like a pretty big error.
Maybe they could kill Auri, but...
Auri might be able to sort of set some air from the turn, and it looks like Whitemon appeared.
I mean, Peer's got the ult.
Iceblast has a good one.
Coming in hot, hits on her the third, and that's Whitemon dead.
But BZM, he swings up already to back up Pure.
Turns on the Walsh, Pure Jr. has to control to take him out.
Pure's gonna be careful.
Ice glass, soon to wear off on him.
And Saxe is gonna go for the roll forward to try and get Pure.
But with the ice loss, he'll be gone on Pure.
Pure is fine.
BZM keeping him safe and continuing to bring the show here today.
After that first game we saw earlier on his invoke,
for now here on his storm spree, 6-0-4.
Stylen.
And it's probably two, right?
Perhaps they just didn't and they did see the shield rune. I'm pretty sure they saw it
But perhaps they didn't like it they thought they could go through it right because that was also easy
I'm going with the shield runes. They committed on him and then he survived
So truly the BGM show at least for us today is Invoker insane and now so far the storm
beautiful stuff so far from him
Oh
I mean, they got the Serpa, well, they got BZM ready to zip in.
Wow.
Getting tough, tough if he and X, as the suffering continues for both Chiro Junior and Nautist.
Truly, the two of them are having some of the tougher games we've seen in the mid and the off lane at least.
And Ursprit, a hero that we don't get to see too much.
We're seeing some of the difficulties of it, of course, even though it's gotten some rework, some changes.
You get putted versus that Storm Spirit as we're seeing the results of it with BZM.
And BZM, he's doing the build that we saw R.C.Y. do, maybe more popularized, but yeah,
just Kaisage into the Shibas, super effective item, great versus everyone he's playing against,
Sven does not like playing versus attack speed slow.
Not at all.
BKB is still a while off here for Watson.
Yeah.
I would say that's, it's a big timing for them when Watson's able to get it, but the thing
is that the other heroes are just not gonna have that similar timing. Ideally getting like one or
two of those at the same time would be the dream for them to fight around but it's gonna just be
one of those BKGs that they get and then kind of hope to fight versus this incredibly strong
teamfight that Tundra has now. Aghanimz is done so Largo is gonna start having much more of an effect
also with the build that he went right. He did only go two in lick so four in the croak he's got the
the maximum potential for the amphibian rapeseed.
Auri on the hunt, ready for the setup again for BZM.
He's doing medicine to this game.
I've been
a bit more careful about how they show on the lanes now, Yandex.
Tormentor in one minute, Malady maybe wanting to prepare some vision around here doesn't
actually have a ward.
R8.
He's just going to be quicker than Serpent Ward's.
He's still going to get caught by the Colby and Malady will manage to make his way out
of that one.
This time Yandex having the numbers to ensure that R8 couldn't go for some sort of setup.
We'll be back up for the tormentor though does have TP available to rejoin as well
They have a tier one still to get their ASAP as well
See all hard Yandex wants to push the issue for this year the Blake is on Watson
We don't have 33 in position ready to come and join he's very long mana
Yeah, if they're able to buy time from to head back refuel and TP over and I mean it's gonna happen Yandex
They're already scared about sticking around.
They're holding back from this push.
They do not want to try and take a fight right now,
it seems, against Tundra.
I don't blame them in that area.
Even though you have Bruce Blint, you're playing versus Phoenix.
That's like the dream.
Phoenix and the calling in this area can be devastating.
But Tundra's actually going to want the fight first.
Now, Tundra's trying.
They've got the RK, Reno, BZM as well.
This next fight makes sense.
The Saks up.
I think they might just have to let them go.
I don't think there's going to be any move for Yandex
to try and connect with this.
So let's start to go down.
Why not the opportunity?
A pure white goodness.
What the hell?
Wait, where?
How?
He was just running at them.
I mean, he had no fear when he absolutely should have had a lot of fear.
He just ran at them and just got blown up a million miles away from the rest of his team.
I was checking for a tiny or a bad rider.
I'm like, did he get to the tower?
No, he was just going in.
He's like, right boys, I'm ready to go.
And then he's dying, he's like, boys?
Hello, anybody?
Well, they'll still get the Torban, sir.
But, uh, yeah, he really wanted to go for that fight.
Just pure positive in these recently, I swear,
where he's really just sprung in and diced.
Okay?
Yeah, he was like, let's go.
There was nobody to go with him.
And Watson will take that on.
I mean, that's pretty big, honestly.
That is gonna be the UKB timing pretty massively for Watson,
which is very necessary in this game, so...
Okay
He also thankful death I do like to save this one also especially for the big hitters
I'll spend it also get the
reciprocity the flying show so if he does get hit back with God straight the triple hit
With the echo saber to it's a substantial amount of damage that can come out
So where they want to go with this I mean honestly, yeah that they could look to make plays here around what's now I think so we watch
on the way out yeah this is the time trying to go for these it's not gonna be
maybe the easiest fights but if they can address the egg kite around can
absolutely have some chances with loss in here this time no
sacks I this time he's gonna be the one to find Ari Ari's been trying his best
to get away with the CQ plays a lot of the time he has but last couple of ones
Jan Dexter had his number.
Oh, Malady.
Lucky.
Another woman here for BZM.
Galvanized up to 18.
18 indeed, that's a lot.
Look at Watson and Sax's positioning.
They want to try and strike from behind.
See how prepared Tundra is for this.
She might not expect it.
They might not expect it.
They might not expect it.
Also for BZM.
So if he gets the ship as he might live.
Oh, yeah, good silence.
Very nicely done there, gets the quick silence, and the jump's done, they're able to take him down.
See, he's thinking about poking back, but without Wymon, they don't really want to quite do this sometimes,
so they're going to have to let the tier 1 finally go down here to Yandex.
God strikes down, so Tundra, if they want to, they can look for a fight while that's on cooldown.
Or maybe look to force a rush, do they have simple wards?
I think perhaps they could look for that if they are really ready for it because no god
I think they could watch it doesn't want to show up so it could be something they can threaten
They've got all their ultimates. Yeah, it's got a huge if they do look to do that
33 is not in the vicinity, so it doesn't look like it
So we're going to get shot, so...
It's working out.
At the end of the day, if the game goes on 20 minutes longer than after you purchased the Midas, then it's fine.
And it's certainly going to be the case here, especially because they haven't really crumbled too much in these moments, right?
Yandex was a team, despite how much Tundra was getting against them earlier.
These last few fights around once, these little jumps have been very convincing.
Watson's level 18, he's got BKB, and he's got the small crit, and he's now got God's
strength, so yeah, they can absolutely put up this fight, just going to have to watch
the angles of how Watson can approach, and watch if the egg goes off, because that egg
could be pretty difficult for them to kill, and that's probably one of the harder things
that Watson has to watch out for in this game.
I'm not not a bad target tool to jump if they do see the phoenix
Take him out
That's cheers BKB doing still slow, but it's almost done
and for tundra, obviously we saw a lot of very proactive players from earlier. Is that
going to start slowing down do you think? They kind of look towards the items, they
want to slow down the game, what's the approach from tundra whilst they do still have this
lead. I think Tundra never says no to hitting creeps on so their line of scale
is very hard as well too right with the Muerta with this with this Phoenix and
the Storm. Sven's BKB is like eventually throughout the game right it will start
ticking down so it does make the Sven overall match up for some way it's a
lot harder to play. I think Tundra they can't fight but they're also keen to
farm it. I'm going to try and burst through notice.
Portex into the sides, but the snowball safe comes in.
Saks are giving him some opportunities.
It's not enough for the X.
There for Mari, into the control.
They deal with the two of them, set things up for BZM
to continue his streak.
Godlike down the storm is also going
to find himself a regen rune.
And with those two pick offs, they
should be able to head into the pit and claim this rush.
I'm wanting to look how much damage these two cores are
going to do next to the Lord of the Rings,
because I'm going to see a little bit of some heroes,
but I haven't gotten to see a Muay Thai in a storm
dopped up by a long time.
Hey, you got the steal!
You got the kill there with the ice blast.
Easy roast kill for Malady.
Can he survive?
Can BZN survive?
Oh!
He gets away.
It's close, though.
easy and nearly having the read
All right, now he would be happy though. He did get the greedy whispers so he's got that gpm kick it in
Watson
Closing in on that dadless thousand gold go
They get the jump they're gonna have easily the best to take him out with Watson around
Dude Watson is honestly doing as much as he possibly he's carrying six and one in zero. He truly is putting up those numbers right now
Oh, man, Malady. Just a hex. I didn't want to go for more of that, knowing that I would
likely be back up around him, and that's how it was. Yandex pretty graced up right now.
You're getting good timings, Yandex. Notice now, has the pipe finished up to their T5,
just getting stronger and stronger with each and every item pick up here. At least, it'd
be able to do to withstand the egg and also just tank the brunt of all this
damage now at the pipe. It's gonna help out the supports as well quite a lot.
Yeah they're close, they're really close to the gap this game. This is some good
sort of slowdown of action by Yandex. Might just give them a chance here
against Tundra.
Explosive damage of this fan always. Of course you know versus the Muerta, might not
to be able to hit at times, but we haven't, we've yet to see them really interact.
Here, on top of a ward, they get the jump, they get the stun, pure as in trouble,
he'll be on a hurricane back to safety, will now pop the offer, he's very low,
he's gonna get frozen in position, BZM jumps in, gets the grab onto Malady,
ice blasts him, if he hits the ice blasts, he'll get him.
He's holding the iceblast for now, Malady. Here's the blast. It's not going to catch
onto either of them. So Pure and BZM can continue retreat.
Cherokee just going to try and chase. I don't think we'll get left behind.
I'll assign this one to Waimond. He's going to have to use the second level, but they
should be able to kill that pretty easily here with the three of them. That's the egg gone.
The chase continues here. Notice with that bottom of the micro.
We had a throw-up. He's still got some mana though. Can they get the timing?
BZM has got enough to zip away to safety. He'll get out of there, but the supports of Tundra are taken out.
And again, these might be very scary there for pure BZM. Honestly, if Malady did find the chance to line up that Ice Blast a little earlier, pure would have been dead.
Obviously, he wanted to hold back neither pure at this age, he just didn't want to over expend on the Moletta.
But you've got to imagine in future situations, switch when the Aegis is not there and they're ready to throw everything at the Moletta, pure could still be pretty vulnerable.
Not for sure. I honestly, I'm surprised that he both of them. I thought BZM was dead, honestly.
He had like a hundred, not even a hundred mana when he was going past those circuit ones.
Someone gets it up with the soul ring.
That was close. That ward. We did get the ward in at this time, but almost gets another chance.
Far jump.
Work for Chou Junior.
And should happen there, yeah. Pure. And we're making sure that it's an easy kill.
Cool stuff.
Another galvanized illusion rune. Bzema's a little more protection. He's queuing up the BKB pierce. Go ahead the edges
So for one more minute, I'm gonna go up to get some good tower damage here and no brew split up
Means you can see how confident tundra is playing
Probably not see 33 yet by the way
He's been doing a lot of farming
He's enjoying the farm game right now
BKB is nearly there, but I know absolutely a lot of these team fights
We've not so out 33 getting involved playing a lot of music
But you know because that's he's look at his team being like guys. What are you doing with tundra?
Let's hit some creeps. Let's win the game. Let's not make these silly moves
And 33 he's ready BKB is now out now. He's probably like all right guys now
We can look to go as a five man to be fair
It is one of those games where if he doesn't have BKB also, he just gets thrown up in the air
He can get sidewiped.
I think his approach is the smart one right now.
Flash will connect.
One left of a kill.
He'll TP back, reset, and that is the BKB as you were mentioning.
Finish the jump in.
Then we'll be able to get one snag here.
Another kill for Watson.
Tail end of that ward.
What an interesting snap.
8-1 and 0 on the Watson, right?
Let's see.
They could go for the fight here.
Entering into the triangle. They're smoked up.
No Aegis anymore.
There's a Lincoln's, but no BKB on pure.
Scan's hit, so the Nerse one's up it.
That's 33.
Little silence.
Into the stand-up!
They're ready to take him down.
Big hits coming in now from Watson there.
It's pretty much a 2K crit coming in now with a Steadless.
I think if he BKBs, I'm pretty sure they can do something,
but he does not get that BKB off.
Because if you protect yourself versus the stun,
that bonus damage from the vanquisher isn't going to affect you,
and then he does have the Grooven Armor.
Like, he is incredibly tanky,
but just did not get the BKB off, gets caught again.
It's played a win, honestly, on Watson. Really very much so this game.
Down to a very nice finish.
But again, it's one of those games where now Locke does fall onto the shoulders of the carry.
I think in that sense of perspective right here, Watson
somehow plays one of these fights where he gets jumped on first,
He doesn't get sort of a clean entry into the team fight and he gets dealt with
Very unlucky the remaining four members are gonna be able to
Kind of take it a drawn out fight against tundra
100 when the PKB is online for pure
It's gonna be a big problem. You get a big catch there. They don't have quite enough stamina to kill him. BZM's out
Hari though might be left behind again
So trying to get the hold on him, but the in fact the shackles from eye comes out return the silence on the roll forward
Ari will get left behind he's making them work for it
But maybe not why but what's coming with the same they keep it a real life the backup comes in Ari will live and now
What's it always? He's up with the leg. Okay, we'll get more back down there
So we'll get to fight on looking for 33. Bekip is about to come to an end on 33
He's surrounded by the Peru split. Still knows he's going to get a bit spooky for Yandex
out of Watson. It's Godstrem starting to fall low. Same for his AP. Still has the PKB ready
to press, but doesn't want to commit for the fight here. So just accept that Sax has gone back out of there.
Just happy in the knowledge that a few of the ults were used by Tundra. Supernova of course was used.
So they just completely back out for Yandex.
Too far to chase. He's Yam2Kanky. I've been loving this sheaves build so much for the second item sheaves on these storms.
storms isn't 50 armor. So you jump in and even though it's a God strike, it's a lot of heroes
hitting him. It's not enough physical damage to really go through. Now you can go for that DKB
and then we can see 33 getting involved. Yeah, he was thinking about it. He's ready to blast him up.
That's it. Yeah, that was a team keeping Aria alive there. Very nicely done.
But I guess you could definitely feel it from Yandex know that they
did know that they were going pretty deep, pretty aggressive for that shaman kill. So
So able to make sure they don't get overly punished for the way that they chase for that.
Getting the majority of them out there.
It feels like Watson has to play with almost no mistakes in this game and so far he's kind
of done that.
I'll turn it off.
B-Zeminar, are you ready to see what they can find down here on the bottom lane?
Tannicked on, on Watson, so a bit more survivability.
Still a lock back, this is Godstrike, BKB timing, but up here it does have BKB to protect
him, so, so we'll have at least two ways to maybe get that used to bail off of Lincoln
BKB
So I'm also a full BKB so Hunter they they start buying these BKBs now they have full duration once for the next fights
And we got hunts
Fight here for the potential Rocham
33 always making sure that when you're playing the Largo and most most people know this by now
They're always strong in this like when you're just running because it keeps you at that bonus armor that
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First impetus Bruce kind of tricky now. They won't throw too much down on him
What teams wanting to be healthy for that rush contest not wanting to spend too much a very deep ward that is gonna be expiring soon
Ari, I actually don't even remember when he placed this one to be honest with you, but 20 seconds remaining on it with scouting malady
It's giving some really good information actually.
Full shivas for Chira Jr. also finished up so they've got their own shivas to counteract.
It can be very very efficient, it's very very nice this game too.
Especially versus that Largon.
moments. He was gonna make the jump first. I mean both teams have ways to sort of poke,
kind of get out a reaction and then get out, you know what I mean? Like not over-comitting
at the start. So a little easier of course to Tundra having this storm spirit. Like Chirodunia,
you know, to some extent, can try and pull off similar moves to get a reaction out of Tundra.
I'd say that for Yandex, their BKBs are more important. So like if Tundra can poke one of
then it can be devastating, but they've been very good about holding them in GZM, and X is smoked.
We got this fight could be all.
I'm coming in from the low ground, but hit the scan.
I'm just trying for the big wrap around here, are we leading the charge?
I got the vision down.
They get the scan, they know they're moving.
BZM.
Just a step ahead right now, young Lex.
Amp damage.
Oh, that's, oh my goodness.
Watch out for this, Sven.
BZM, he's gonna make the jump forward.
Pop the peek at me straight away.
And that's how Fawcett's gonna try and turn towards BZM.
the two cores of Yandex there and getting in position that time route for Pure to be able to dish out the damage.
Very split fight. They caught the brew. Honestly, Ari, beautiful stuff, completely controls him, gets him brought down.
But yeah, come split up here. We'll now be able to finish off this roast pretty quickly here.
I don't think Watson's gonna jump, or is he?
I think he'll have a chance to.
This actually getting held up the side.
He's gonna head for the jump form. What's he gonna try? Pop for me. Can't be a roast.
Those a bit too healthy. He's gonna try to finish it off. I don't know if he can with the remainder of the BKB
He'll go for the kill with the pickups there. BZM gets the Aegis. Big Ice Blast comes in here on the ones to threat them.
But Watson, he's surrounded. He get away from him. The Fortex drags him back in. The Hex comes in as well.
Watson getting bought down low. Push back by BZM with the psychic headband. They take Watson out.
And now they're ready to try and chase him for more here, Tundra. They know that Sax is up in the trees.
Let's see how long they want to try and chase him down.
They want the kill.
He's got a calamity to try and make them work for it a little bit more.
BZM, very long the matter.
They do not want to let Saxo to walk away for free.
He's walking away for free, though.
This is a little too much, Chasen.
I think, you know, let Saxo go.
But all in all, you know, once it goes for the big play there, gets the kill right on
the road.
But wasn't quite able to pick up that Aegis.
Even if he was, wouldn't have obviously had BKB or gold strength, I think it was a back-up
on cooldown there for that second life, so it would have been a tough one anyway.
Ghost for the risky play doesn't pay off.
And BZM now has an Aegis for this next fight, so the way that he's playing is beautiful.
Honestly, today is a BZM day.
Sometimes it's not a BZM day, but today, so far, has absolutely been one initiating the
fight, jumping in, causing all this havoc, all this pretty much panic, and we're seeing
the Brewmaster is definitely more important than the Largo in the two fights.
The brew is very important as we see before the side of Yandex has any of the approaches to these fights.
Easy enough.
Oh, they might not have found Saksar earlier.
Okay, well, get their hands on him now.
Saksar, you're on.
Play so well.
The other storm is out of control.
Another power rune also.
Got the 29 Galvanized.
Kier looking to join, level 25.
That's Watson.
That's his second death, but it feels like a pretty big one.
big one even though it's not really a big mistake by any means by him it's this feels like a game
that just has to be a picture perfect flawless game from this friend
that's undre ready to bring that push multiple ways for them to jump the high ground as well so
it wouldn't necessarily be easy for yandex to hold the defense say it's undre get the jump on them
no 30 seconds still them tusk too see if they really want to force that issue too if they just
want to finish up a couple more things
I know they're not gonna want to throw anything on to him, he's got the sages.
Little pause.
It's just hard, it really is the card because it's all the damage I'm seeing, it's everything
is Watson.
LaChirr Jr. this magnetized is just not really doing much of anything if he even gets it off
and the brew as well too, it's, I mean we didn't get the seed in that last fight of course
but it really just is Watson versus the world in terms of how much damage is being dealt.
And it's tough for him to connect on these targets now that they've gotten all these little
small items, four stabs, psychic headband, kit neutral items, I think they got a couple of those
as well too. So just the kite factor, so they spend absolutely the tests playing first.
Scam comes out.
We'll just steal that shrine.
Level 20 now for a white mine, another strong talent versus these strong tanky cores.
Yeah, they've got eyes on him. He's having to be KB and pierced the veil off. We'll go straight to the TP out
Pure little deep a couple times we'll be safe
What's the most I have that go about
Let's see if they can find Whitehawn, but...
Let's bring up the TP.
That's a bit visioned.
They're not going to be able to be off the ultimate.
Seeing them get the jump on nose, just trying to burst for him before he can get the split
off.
See if they've got the damage.
BZM trying to finish the job off.
Belkannon knows not how to get the ult off.
And he's gone.
Supernome will get dropped down.
Yandex trying to back away from it, but they grabbed there from R.
He locks down Saksa.
Saksa dead.
said that. It's time to drop. Let's see if they can chase off some more.
Looking for Chira Jr in the trees. He's going to go for the TP out. Nothing to
quite put a stop to it so he will get out of that one. But again, I mean that
time is very close right because it just didn't die. He got the BKB off but no
one near enough time for him to BKB and Primal Split. Somehow, someway they've
got to do something on Yandex right to keep notes safe. I don't know how though.
They're glimmering him. It's just Ari. Ari is actually just getting full
It's a full duration tackle zone. It's a 5.7s tackle that he's getting at every single time, full duration.
It just can't happen, but the Earth Spirit is someone who's got to be there to stop Ari.
They can't let their groomers, the groomers are just going to come on.
Wilson, he's ready to go. He's got to go straight, makes the jump.
Move straight to one. Pure Ice Blast coming up with the pierced the bells up.
Pure's going to be able to kite that backwards and keep himself alive.
They're going to be able to move forward now.
I mean they tried to kind of go all in on that plate to blow up Pure.
They couldn't. He gets the O off.
He survives, keeps the push going, and that's what goes straight from BKB gone.
Yeah, that might be too- that might be too sad, so honestly, he needs that.
Pretty much everything he can't get to deal with damage, whereas with pure...
Rui's respawning. Maybe they'll respect it a little bit here.
VZM?
Let's see if he can get any sort of catch right up to the fountain of Yandex.
Let's see if they do respect it or if they just do continue.
Without God's strength, they try to be safe on the craft.
Noted.
But notice, he's going to silence, they're going to try and save him.
This time he'll be able to get out.
He'll live for now.
The circle wants down on the mid.
30 seconds without Shira's unit, that's for fortification, Yandex.
20 seconds through God's strength.
Push on the mid.
Damage to be done by Tanya BZM.
Simply to grab on the sax, if you're ready to bring in the damage, sax has gone.
has got buyback available, Malady also to full-post supports dead, they've got a fast buyback,
Watson will jump and get the stun, they get the punch up, they have the open burst,
over with BZM, ice blast connects, but he's not enough damage to kill it, BZM backs off.
He'll get out of this one, notice that jumps forward, BZM still with just enough mana to zip away
and live, they're using the split to try and chase BZM down, he's up on the high ground,
he's gonna go for the TB, they've got nowhere to get him, BZM, he gets out alive, back to the base,
He'll survive so they can get anything instead here yandex
They'll look towards the rest of times and now the BZM has been forced to TP out
What's it?
The hex Watson's been caught, Glimmer comes in, he's able to get the big MP off
Turn straight over towards Ari Ari, trying to juke this one out
But Watson will find him, they bring Ari down, blink forward from Saks against the Snowball in on the both 33
Out wide one, they've killed wide one off, now they can turn the 33
Well, maybe not the blink, into the tree, go up to the TP
There's no way to come through the trees he gets to it, 33 also escaped successfully
And you know why Owen this is the and you have you heard about this one
So a on disc with Largo innate makes it so the duration is long enough for you super long off
Yeah, super cool interaction, I'm glad I got to see it
I was waiting for a game where I got to talk about it
So that was like you say what it's expensive right expensive buybacks coming out from Yandex
They do lose both sets and they don't get pure or PC
The camp with BGM continues to live. 11. That's crazy. Get it out there.
He's so close. They threw everything out of the ice blast, chasing him down with a primal split.
But just, and only just enough mana to get up to that high ground and TP out.
Yeah, I think like a little, something a little safe.
And I think it was like a lick even potentially that 33 did in the base that maybe pulled him so that he could get the zip out.
Yeah, it was all these small things absolutely coming into play.
And yeah, I love that we, super cool that we got to see the AI on this thing, at least here.
I haven't I don't think I've seen maybe I did see one or two games at least people do it before but the blink in the
Ion disk is super value
Roche soon one more racks remaining
Watson continues to have his work cut out for
This with link I get the Lincoln Sphinx for himself
So what I've been seeing is
Tundra's doing a great job of preventing the snowball saves. I think it's BGM in most of the fights
He's grabbing Soxa, not letting him get the snowball saves
And then I think Chair Jr. might have to just put more emphasis on stopping the shackles because this three or four team fights
I've seen Ari gets full duration shackles
Probably having to prevent that somehow
He's gonna go to the setup on mid.
He's reopening, Ari coming in with a follow up hex.
They went over Commando, they know that Yandex is there.
They're trying to poke the iron disk there, I think they saw it there on notice.
Taksa, he wanted to hasten, but they'll lose his life for that and he does not have buyback.
That was not a room well going for.
Ah, yes, Taksa's out for 90 seconds, Tundra's ready to jump for it.
4th, they get the catch, I'm sure Junio also dead here for 80.
No, he's in trouble.
He's gonna try and run away here.
But 33's hot on the chase, BZM with enough mana to look towards him.
Notice, look at this, even they can't drag back by the lick, that's notice squad.
Did notice Double click is probably, he can't even do the final split.
I was gonna see it, so I'm gonna call down 500 secondary, he must have gone into it and then come out of it.
I think he maybe Double tapped it.
Well, the pressure games of them all on here, on Yandex, is Tundra, did they just close in it up?
I mean Yandex, I don't know if they're gonna have a final fight this game, I think this game's now over.
120 seconds, no brew, committed for the buyback, committed for the end, split, and I don't know, maybe they were dying that fast, but it looked like he clicked and they cancelled it.
Yeah, maybe he was just worried that he'd die for the split, yeah.
I don't know, well either way.
And I went downhill after Saxon went for that rune very quickly. So as Watson he's gonna get in
Gonna try and look for them at the pierce the bells up the pure
I mean they could pretty much just look towards the edge you close it up pure destroys Watson there to close this game up
Gigi is called
Tundra will take the game
I'll give this one of easy M and Ari honestly. I think they played out of their minds Ari getting
I don't know how many four duration shackles great little hex plays and catches also making sure that he prioritizes
So he gets enabled and a BGM ends with literally zero deaths. So yeah, that's crazy pretty cool
Absolutely, what a bit what a beautiful day here from BGM and yeah, just said the boys around and doing fantastically here with these performances BGM
Yeah, eleven zero twenty one tundra. They take the game
It is also
win as well. So Tundra kind of
getting a double whammy for
themselves. Obviously fantastic
day having previously got their
win against mouse. Now one up
against Yandex two and Lago
which is going to dive on into
him. I feel clean. We could talk
about all the grander pitches and
how good BZM was in a little bit
but Lago as a hero, not too
successful but has somehow gotten
success in this game. Yeah, I
mean you said this is Largo's
win. I don't know if he really won. Yeah, it was off-lane. Okay, you had it fast, fast and healthy.
It was off-lane. Sorry, forgive me. But I don't really feel like Largo won this game. I think
his team won and he was sort of on the back of the, on the back of the cart saying, hey guys,
I'm winning too. This is from an easy loot. I'm having a look at the fun. Because he did not do
anything this game. He was farming for 40 minutes. I think at 40 minutes, he was 0 or 1, 3 and 0
something like this big numbers this very much was a game of the BGM show and
the supports I think they absolutely popped off and carry this game and for
the most part the Largo was just farming and and viving as he does he was a
support tool in the team fight we're seeing it here with a lot of the replays
just how affected his lick was for his team so just give them that little bit
extra to either kite the spin to ensure that the toss have to go a little extra
deeper into a team fight to be able to get the snowball or the punch off. So it was really small
things, but that is where the difference is. Was it worth farming 40 minutes for that sort of
impact? Yeah, I mean, it was very much in these later fights he was owning, but
and then the Aion Blake, that was cool. That was that was cool. I did not know about the Aion
extension being just long enough. Shout out to Fogg for knowing every single mechanic. Shout out to
Fogg just in case you didn't get that one. Yeah, that's right. Shout out to Fogg. No, but I think
It's just a very classic Tundra game, right?
Like, they pick heroes that they're okay scaling on.
I think, to be honest, Yennex, they just don't...
To be honest, Yennex, they don't scale that well in this game.
Sven is really bad against Morita as Morita passes.
And they mentioned it's Phoenix against four melee heroes,
and I think you could feel both of those becoming big problems.
The Shadow Shaman had huge impact this game.
And it just felt like Yennex, they were on a timer,
and they also got upplayed in the early game,
and when that happens, it's so easy for Tundra to play their classic style, push up the waves and farm,
and as the clock ticks, you can feel your chances slowly sliding to the hourglass.
I mean that lake and water, I'm sitting here and I'm like, what is this damage?
Like this, it's just, it doesn't feel fair in any regard.
I mean, yeah, you let the other team farm up, but it still doesn't feel fast enough.
Yeah, the hero is completely bonkers whenever he gets to that point.
You're supposed to be able to abuse her early, but Tundra is so good at fortifying that hero's position.
And I think they really understand this more
at the hero specifically,
but also these ranged, more slow, cowardly carries.
I think that is one of the things
that makes this hero so strong for them
is that they're able to hold their position
and keep their safe lane tower up for so long.
I think we had a little clip or whatever
of when they ended up killing the safe lane tower
because they kept it alive for over 20 minutes.
They keep coming back to the safe lane tower.
They keep defending it.
Yeah, what is this?
23 minutes, is that what it says?
You have your glasses on, what do you mean is that what it's saying?
That's a really small tech.
That is really so tech.
It's 22 minutes and 49 seconds right now.
Yeah, so they kill the tower rider on there.
That is crazy and that's what you want to do with these ranged carries.
You want to keep the safe lane tower alive because they're not good at farming ancients,
they're not good at farming jungle, they don't have the AP regen and sustain it.
So you keep this area alive and not only does it like help your moritha but it also
keeps your lorgo safe and allow it to farm because they're spending so much time attacking
this place and you're doing this for us.
all those numbers. Yeah, you're just defense where you're sort of standing off and as a battle
happening here that Largo is off on his own island actually getting to these timings. So
really impressive and important period of the game that Tundra played exceptionally well.
What was it though that was excited because you're saying they held that tower they ensured that it
was like 23 minutes still standing but what exactly is it having mid rotate up that way is it having
your position for come that way too. Is it a specific hero in a post five that helps hold it?
I think a lot of it is, yeah, bringing the numbers is absolutely important.
Like, R and BZM are both leaning in that direction.
And I think that that leaning is the crucial part.
You're not all standing there in a silly way, but people can TP,
and others are, you have just the right amount of heroes ready in that place,
and then you also have heroes ready to TP.
And in conjunction with that, it's the posturing of where they're standing.
Because you're defending the tower.
How close to the tower are you standing?
You're standing further back.
Are you right under the tower?
Are you okay getting gone on, or you do need to not get gone at all?
understanding all these little mechanics of how that fight breaks down and how it goes is very,
very high skill and just shows an immense amount of hero knowledge because that's what it boils
down to. Yeah, the phenomenal front thunder really is so hard to pick apart that game there.
On the side of Yandex, this is now five losses to Tundra specifically in a Blast Lamp. Okay.
So you're the first half, didn't I? You really did. I was like, they've lost five games already,
have any gives the play I think this was actually the fifth game that they have played for themselves
but no that is that is not that school lines by any means I specifically talking about the
tundra and yandex match up because you were talking about you know that there is intricate
detailed knowledge between players both on the side of tundra and on the side of yandex
there but they're just not able to do it for some reason here and maybe one of those things
you talked about was cheered juniors here ends up playing the earth spirit this time
around. Did it kind of branch out from the archetype you were afraid he was getting pigeonholed into?
I don't think so really. Yeah. And I think this that's sort of where this Sven gets a little
weird is you've got the Sven and noticed in Chira always play these melee blobby offlaners.
So I think Watson looks the best when he's on stuff like the TA or these I think TA specifically
because it helps with their tempo and their fighting but also it's this range damage dealer
and I think they need that range damage dealing. Now they have A which helps a little bit but at
At the end of the day, it's just one support and you need more damage than just a even though it's a ton.
So you can see it in later fights.
Sven, he can't just jump into this fight and commit fully because as soon as he uses BKB, the fight's over unless he's killing a whole bunch of heroes.
Earth Spirit, similar vein.
He can't just roll in or insta-press BKB and then his fights over really.
So I think there's a little bit too much overlap between the heroes as time passes.
And if you're not a blasting everyone then inevitably this Largo and Phoenix will strum and laser and people will heal back up
Yeah, I like the only here that might have felt a little bit more comfortable running in and not necessarily
Instantaneously DJ being is the brew master but tundra did so well to focus him at the start of every fight
It was either the toss being taken out or the brew master and then they realized
Not even just the fact that they would have the numbers advantage
There isn't that much more in the toolkit of team fight if one or both of those two are taken out
Yeah, it is it is a big problem and I think notice to be honest had a bit of a rough game
There's some of these deaths like he knows there's a shadow shaman in the game, right as all props to our he played a great game
It was focusing all the right targets some amazing spell casting
But in the same vein, you know, there's a shadow shaman on the other team
And I think noticed overextends and a couple fights makes a couple sort of panicky decisions and feed his life away
Like he's very far away from his team look where his team is compared to him
They're all coming from a ball and he's standing in the middle of just getting gone
I'm going to cancel that
shuckle from the shaman
because my brew masters in
trouble. That's a great silence
but down from pure, and I think
the calling is what really makes
and breaks a fantastic
multiplayer in my eyes. That
spell is not easy to be able to
just kind of throw out willy
nilly and have great
placements like that. So he was
just as ready to back up his
sports is his sports are ready
to back up him there. So Ari
having fantastic shot a
shadow shaman. That's what
So, Ari having fantastic shot or shaman plate for himself.
Like I said, there isn't a way to break apart right now what Tundra is doing.
Yeah, it's Tundra Blast Slam. It's actually insane. Every blast slam, I'm like,
surely this is the one where they're not very, very good, but no, every time they're very good.
And it's just the way it is. It's just the way this is much.
I mean, I'll be honest, I wish that people would beat them because they farm so much,
but they can't do it. They can't do it. They're just too good.
And there's no disputing that and to your point about pure more that I think he is probably the best carry
He's so good. He's very very good at this here
He understands his limits the items to buy and this silver edge has looked like an insanely powerful item some of these melee carries
They have real problems as time passes because you can hit by the silver edge and use all your movements
Be so as soon as this BKB is out you are just completely useless
You're a turtle walking around that was turtle turtles and frogs
and gobs and amphibians now as a amphibian to coming to you you I
actually don't even know where to go from that it's so weird but look the
hundred you're saying can anyone really stop them can anyone really break what
is their farming pattern that they like to do of course this isn't just
something that's only in blast lambs this is the tundra through and through
right there but they're upcoming opponents for the rest of today game
legion and heroic so I'm not going to talk too much on that one because it will be coming up later
you guys will have tea and kezu when it comes around to that because we're nearing the middle
of our day right now we get to focus on what you coined Quinn as the matchup you cannot
do you remember who it is it was liquid versus spirit no what bro i'll hunt falcons there's
so many games redo it but with a little more liquid versus falcons fight okay we have nothing
something else to cut this or just like you told me.
Yeah, the reason why you though, why you though?
Why you though?
Why you always lying?
I'm not lying, I'm telling the truth.
I'll tell the truth right now.
I think this matchup is hyped because I think these are two
teams that they both won their series earlier today.
So they're on the slight up top.
They won rookie starts with day one, that's what you said.
They were, and I think that remains true,
that these are teams that are, they're sort of doing this.
They're flickering back and forth.
Right now they both flickered up,
but they absolutely can flicker back down.
And so I think the trajectories of these teams I think is very interesting.
And I think Liquid specifically is just an interesting team to watch right now
because they haven't known for such consistent performances.
But right now it feels like you can't rely on anything from them.
And so every game I lost, wondering which liquid is going to show up.
No, a single thing you think you can rely on for Liquid?
Maybe that Ace is not going to buy Blink Dagger first.
It's such a weird niche one thing, but I'd like that you answered my question.
Anyway, would you say the win for liquid over na'vi would be more impactful for their mental fortitude over falcons win against extreme gaming?
Yeah, I'd say so because the game was long it was real clutched it out
I think those games those long games that you clutch out build a lot of confidence
It was 84 minutes for anyone that missed it happened over in the B stream at 70 minutes
They were pretty much dead even on gold net worth and yeah, you're at liquid liquid cinched the wind for themselves
It's a barn burner and good to win the barn burners because it just feels better when the game goes long when you lose
Oh, I feel it just saps your life force. You just spend an hour and a half doing this thing and you lose
Honestly, that might be what the view is a feeling right now because we're yapping a lot
But that's because we had to wait for our draft to be ready
So we finally get to see a little bit more action of Falcons and liquid
and we're going to take a look
at Husker Viper Razor Timbers,
or these are the stock standards
that you want to be taken out
right now in this patch up
against Falcons. In fact,
there's been a lot of times
these heroes haven't been
which leads open.
Frogs to take out SF, Shadow Demon,
and Tree and Protector, picking up Lago
for the first time themselves here at Bloflet.
Yeah, I, every time this hero comes out,
I'm just, I'm so curious.
Say it. Say it. Say what?
Preach it. I love Frogs.
No, I think, I'm very curious to see,
is it offline, is it support,
and can they make this hero look more useful
than it did last game, because this hero is so slow.
Oh my goodness, he farms it forever.
So if liquid is able to dig deep into some more of that that typical liquid strategy, which is playing fast
It's trampling the enemy. I think this frog is very prone to being trampled. I
Want to personally see it
Support because I want to see if it's still just as slow to have impact as a support
Like is this really an item hero?
Are we needing to farm the way that we've been seeing it so far on the off-lane?
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure.
Liquid prefers its support, so...
They did.
There's been that, but everyone, it seems like all the other teams that we've seen of
applying it offline, they've only had one game on our screen that Largo has been support,
if that.
Tiny is a weird response.
I think Tossback is a mechanic that should be good against Largo, changing the positioning
of people so that they're not all stuck in the A to E of the song, and you can mix things
up and not have them continue to be healed.
I think that makes sense strategically, but Tiny is also a low damage hero.
So if we're not able to get the toss back, then I think it's a weird response.
Yeah, well, this is the difference as well.
Tiny really fluctuating on where people want to put him.
So for me, Largo and Tiny sitting in similar camps where, yeah, it can succeed on core roles,
but it's also being seen a little bit in support.
And I don't know, it's just it's really funny to think about considering Tiny was only core,
got nerfed so hard you couldn't even play in support.
Normally then your transition back into a meta is support.
But there's a realm where he's just straight back into a core role again.
Yeah, not the biggest fan of tiny core unless there's,
you've got specific helpers in your team.
We saw OG played earlier today and it looked very, very bad.
But I won't really say that was his fault.
Yeah, mid-tiny.
And so I think on support it's generally a better role
unless you've got stuff like Caudal probably in your team
or you've got those ranged carries.
The TA, the Shadow Fiend, things like that.
Then I think you can make the Tiny mid work,
but you're gonna need some serious ranged DPS if you want to be a core.
Well, Liquid have run it both in mid and also as a support.
And when they had it in mid, do you know what they had with them?
Shadow Fiend?
No, the Caudalette you just mentioned.
Okay.
Come on, bro.
I've got a little point for you.
I'm trying to back it up.
I also meant the Shadow Fiend, didn't I?
Yeah, you did mention this.
You had the Kits of Fifty, you lost it for Tiny.
Coming off of Liquid and a potential other core, a secondary core opening there, so Mars.
Yeah, this is interesting because they've, I mean, in some ways, I guess, they're stealing the Mars as opposed to banning it.
We see teams do this all the time against Falcons, but I don't think picking Mars and Tiny back-to-back like that is very good.
There's a general consensus in drafting that it's not good to pick heroes that do the same thing back-to-back
because it means you're leaving bigger and bigger holes in your draft that need to be fixed later on,
which puts a burden on them and reduces the amount of options you have with your later picks.
So when you have these two, now you need damage from your later picks,
and say it becomes a really great game for something like a Storm Spirit or a Void Spirit,
this mobile hero that's lower on the damage, well, you're kind of uncomfortable picking that
because you've set yourself in a position where you need damage from your next picks from Liquid.
Hmm. All valid cause for concern.
Falcons have been spanned.
Odd.
Yeah, I was going to say, you've been puzzled by it.
You've been puzzled at surely not at Falcons picking Spanned, but Spanned being picked
so early.
Yeah, I think just how early it's being picked.
Also in combination with Largo, I think this makes it look like offline Largo to me because
I don't think Largo, Spanned, once again, is double male.
Okay, actually, I guess it can be okay because they're laning against double melee. So double melee versus double melee is like
You can get away with it. I would like to see that. Yeah, it's the full goober stein lane
So I suppose that is possible actually
It's pretty good against Mars. I guess it makes sense. It's fine
And it fits well with the ringmaster. You've got two boys and go in and be tanky which allows ringmaster to use a save
And just get his spells off behind Sven and Crit is probably the best ringmaster player and the most prolific one
So it makes sense if anyone's gonna be playing that hero. It's gonna be Falcons
I was played yesterday as well picked up a little bit. So
Other things also dabbling in the ringmaster here and there
Can I just say his old the way you place his old is not very intuitive?
I'm not too sure how many ringmaster plays there are out there. How many games would you say you've own on me?
Okay, hello?
Hello!
Hi!
Hey!
You're back!
Look, broadcast we're apparently trying to save you from the embarrassment of admitting
you had zero ringmaster games.
I do have zero ringmaster games, yeah.
Um, but yes, what I was saying was his ultimate is not very intuitive to place down.
It travels further than you actually think.
Yeah, it's weird.
There's like a minimum, it's sort of like snapfire globs, so there's a minimum difference
where you can cast it.
It's very, very strange.
I guess the hero would be too strong if you could cast it point blank, uh, because you
like blink on people point like and like with them into it which would be like kind of a sick nasty combo
It's it's a weird balance people. It is. Yeah, it is kind of weird. But while we were rambling on
about our ringmaster experiences, Liquid picked up Bristol for themselves and now I would be very
surprised if it was three cores shown all the way from the get-go especially all of them being
nearly this way but Maz notoriously off lane bristle now potentially in that mid mck bristle carry
both are possible um hopefully winner wyvern whoa that there's some real out of out of pocket picks
here um bristleback is a great hero against fen um in some ways like it's it's honestly a two-sided
matchup i think with winner wyvern it's very good because it's very difficult to burst this bristleback
that's the side of the matchup that's good stuns tend to be good against
Bristol and you've got a Sven so you jump him you stun him but if you don't
burst and then goo is very very good and now you've got Wyvern backing him up so
you've got all these beefy boys and then on top of the yet you get a Wyvern who's
gonna save people so it's already become a pretty difficult game for Sven I
think and Bristol back if he has those helpers behind him that allow him to
stay alive can be a very fearsome force. Well I will also say the thing that I
than if they'd pick something like a primal, say.
Because tanking is going to sort of blink past your front line
and stun your backline and cause chaos,
whereas Sven wants to just jump a guy very simply
and kill that guy.
So maybe they can try and jump people
at different points in the fight.
There's a lot of chaos going on from Falcon's Draft,
whereas Liquid is much more simple
in that they've got their rocks, their dudes.
One of them is a literal rock.
And then behind them, they have the save.
So there's some sort of contrasting styles
in the way the team fights will work.
I'm going to give you a chance to redeem yourself here,
Quinn from earlier.
Radeem, yeah, gimme.
Will we see this sanking flexed away from mid
and potentially an off lane?
No, I think it's most likely mid, again.
Okay, all right, double down on it.
I think it's most likely mid.
Now, it's been proven that it's possible.
Yes, so what everyone to know out there,
that this comes from the fact that earlier today,
Falcons picked up sanking for themselves
and Quinn was adamant it would not be going away from him.
He was 100% all in, and Amar ended up picking up Sanky.
But there is less chance you're using
for these lineups to have that flex.
Yeah, I think it's also based on the bands.
They've been Queen and Storm.
Those are two pretty classic anti-Sanky bands.
Yeah.
Which leads me to believe that,
okay, you're probably gonna leave it there.
And then you've got some offline hero you've got here.
Up your sleeve that you feel comfortable in.
Liquid, sort of splitting their bands a little bit.
So not actually sure which way it goes,
is the power of the flex makes your bands considerably more difficult even when you
don't have that last pick can cause the enemy to waste bands and give you more opportunities
to pick heroes but yeah I mean I think Falcons you see Winter Wyvern you're always gonna pick
these magic damage sort of I'd like to say that it picks a lot of them for me
interesting that's too long I mean so they have it's more jumpers but Sven Slard are together
are in theory playing into winner Wyvern. I think the difference is is they
have they have so many jumpers that they're gonna try to make the fight a
lot of madness. They're gonna be looking at different angles, different heroes.
It's an interesting approach. I don't know if I fully believe in it
necessarily. I do think Slaughter is a good matchup against Bristleback, which
is probably the main reason they pick it. I think it's somewhat just of a
the counter pick.
Yeah, well, now we're seeing a lot more revealed here and I do like how much you hyped up crits ringmaster because he's not going to be playing it.
He's going to be playing the logo for himself.
So the first time Falcons picking it up and it's going to be played there on their position for in the off lane tied in with the slaughter.
Of course, that San King going mid lane.
So well done on redeeming yourself there Quinn, doubling down knowing for sure.
And yeah, for Liquid as well, we can see that it is that support tiny and a carry Bristol.
So we weren't sure if it was going to be that mid lane or that carry in Bristol there.
Yeah, I like the Leshrac Last Pick. It suits the Wyvern well and it gives them that damage
they need with those melee bros. So covering up some of their weaknesses.
Can you make up some tales? These heroes are very strange. I don't necessarily understand why
why they picked Kary Bristle there, genuinely.
I think it has good dynamics against Sven,
and the high damage can cut through Largo.
But I think there's some of these liquid picks that just
surprise me and confuse me a little bit.
And so I think I'm leaning towards Falcons in this game,
because I think it's more typically them.
And while Last Rack is good against Sanking,
and I think it's a pick that helps their draft a lot
and rounds things up to a decent degree,
I think Falcons is playing typical Falcons
and this liquid draft.
I'm not sure what I'm going to
do. I'm not sure what I'm
going to do. Some of these
pictures don't make any sense
to me. Um and so while I can
hypothesize a little bit here
there. I tend to feel like
Falcons are playing comfort.
All right. Well Falcons being
more standard towards them
despite first time logo pick on
the side of liquid. Well, they
love to prove people wrong.
They've done it many times
before, and they're going to
have to do it here again,
especially to spite Quinn here,
who doesn't quite understand
the synergy they've got there,
one bristle back let's get into it a best of one with liquid and falcons
here we go ladies and gentlemen it's time for falcons versus liquid
fault well we're definitely gonna get some fun here right we're getting falcons
at least trying to show us what you can do with the lago after what we did just
have a win with it but overall right it's still a bit of a shaky hero and then
over a liquid they've just come in with something that's a bit different from
what anyone else to do right now we're seeing these bristles we're seeing these
wyverns what's going on I'm not sure honestly they must have something either
from some screams or just some information that they've got because
they they they have to pick these for these reasons I just wyvern overall I
think so many people have tried this in so many different situations sometimes
you see like it's versus zoo the curse is great versus zoo blah blah blah this
Sierra has probably one of the I want to say one of the lower ring rates in all of pro Dota
I don't know what it is about. It's just very difficult to play always so let's see if tofu can change that
Of course the slaughter pick into it is a bit interesting, but I think it is just because that lane matchup since they knew the Bristol was gonna be carry
But yeah, I think why but he's gonna set up for a lot of nice spells
You know, there's a ringmaster to psyche so there's some big mistakes on the wyvern
It's gonna set up for the opposing side because of nice matches
I'm glad at least like with the
Lesh they do have a follow-up so
something I really hate when I
see Wyverns is when it's just
like a Wyvern curse or like just
for cold embrace and then
nothing else. I usually like the
cold of curse as a setup like a
curse into a Lesh stun into a
Mars Arena or whatever or
Black Hole. Something along those
lines. Right? So we'll see if
we can get a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of a
little bit of a little bit of
So, we'll see what he can do with it since he does have the less than the mores.
Look at some of these lanes. So, down bottom, we're gonna have this.
Gita snaking, Sven, Ringmaster against the Foxy Ace, Tiny, Mars.
Um, you know, we'll get out of this one,
because some of these, I mean, both the Ringmaster and Tiktorite,
don't see a huge map.
Stop, should be a pretty strong lane for Falcons.
Uh, yeah, it's difficult to see what Foxy can do down here.
In terms of pressuring, he's just gonna pull right through the usual little melee.
So it should be pretty free for Skeeter to get that farm.
Top, I'm already seeing one of the interactions that I was going to mention immediately.
It's a Largo first pick and then they pick Wyvern.
He uses a spell. He licks it off his ally immediately.
So that Q is essentially just not even there in the way he does.
Although he did just use Link on a creep.
You might die for that.
Oh, perfect, Mammar.
Pretty close.
Oh, the gate! The Quills is not going to quite reach.
And now I've got to get it run down by a mom
And a mom might just find the first blood. He will okay for a mom
There's liquid trying sort of tunnel vision for crit and crit just ends up getting the last laugh
Critic I did this I looked that creep on purpose so they would go
They've been working out
two lanes that do look I would say on paper for falcons look quite solid this Amar versus
Micke he constantly gets licked as you see right there dispels the thing mid lane though
that's the difference Malvin he is a master of getting things out of lanes that are very
difficult so let's see what he can do versus Nisha yeah this is definitely a quite a favorite
match up to the lash should have a very fool-free farm time and because on this
bottom like can they put pressure on this friend no unless okay there's a
small stock if they can toss it back into a spear under tower right like
something like sure that's a incredibly unlikely
Maybe if another hero shows up, something like that, but...
Crit! Just continuing to contest the pull.
He's just trying to mess with Tofu. Tofu is getting the liberty of having the pull open, but...
Crit's just kind of taking a lot of the creeps from him there.
He's just walking in with the boots, has no threat.
right. And obviously, you know, look at looking at Kurt on the logo and compare to some of
the other games we've seen in like different positions in the offlane. Do you think it
will this hero remain one of these heroes that's kind of viable in both or do you think
over time with we're going to see it become more normalized in one of the two?
No, I think it's viable. And I personally, I find it best as five and three, but I do
think there are games where four, you know, four and five can be pretty interchangeable.
Crit, I've actually been watching, I talk to Crit a few times, I've been watching a lot of his games he's been playing it, hasn't had the most success sometimes, but
this is what he's been doing in most games, he's buys the boots, plays with the melee off laner, drives waves.
I don't remember what builds he gets actually, that I should probably, I can't actually check, sadly, I can't remember which ones he did but
maybe he pivots slightly, all depends.
If you go here, you can sometimes go grieves on this hero back as a support
Or you can go from like some pabbas into some lotuses eventually and glimmers into the shard eventually
It's very useful. We'll see
Mid lane
Maarin, they're fine. Yeah, doing very well against Nisha so far pretty much dead even if you see these three creeps coming in on towards Nisha
Okay getting just as much out of the lane as the less track
Yeah, feels like it's not really always does this unsancting. It's very hard to pull fully his sinking in particular
I've seen other people fought there. Oh, yeah, his in particular
Just gonna have a nice wave coming on towards him on the tower as bomb continues to go very freely
All right, I swear, I should guess every single one of these CS down here
I think the stacks are probably going to start because the pressure on top Amar is getting
stuff it's very difficult for them to get too aggressive they do have a point in goon
out so maybe so he's going to start getting those stacks ready he's got a sanky and a
fan on his team. It's gonna be very valuable.
You're quite smart though. That one kill, we saw from Chris mating them earlier for
a mar. And the Marthron go for a mar here.
That's where he's gonna sprint up. Yeah, thank god, and so he's gonna chase that? As long as he just,
if he's left alone, he keeps the sprint up for when the Frisk is going to be with the Splinter Blast,
he should survive every time they go for a gopher.
Foxy, to mess the phone ring a little here, but the stack it is done, don't think he's
soaked that much experience either sadly.
I don't think so, nah yeah, it was just for the rage.
So Mara pretty much got it all, very close to level 6.
So, again trying to turn on towards Amar, but it's fine, crits around as well in case
Amar needs a helping hand.
I'm looking forward to um, oh actually wait, mid lane, Maureen, Nisha is very sick for this one.
He is, and he's gonna get caught off guard here by the epicenter into the bar strike.
Buxy's around trying to help out, but Nisha's dead.
Snake King will at least fall in return.
Very nice setup there, Maureen being able to find the angle from around the trees,
and one that Nisha was just not ready for whatsoever.
Did he not? Maybe he didn't see that he did get that six right there then, maybe he didn't expect,
because it is pretty early to have it on the sanking.
So beautiful angle there for Malrin.
Nice tar star, at least Voxy gets them something out of it.
Top lane.
Micke of course farming.
Just as well as that that's going on, in fact that little bit more, you know, than what's being achieved on the other side of the map.
fountains. The big star here is the Bristle. The star is starting to do up on some water
map and a Mars God backup and it's a lot of backup as well. Maureen's in with the Barre
Strike. The Colt embraced buying momentary safety for Mikkei, but he is not able to get
out of this one as he's gone. See what the King of the Wrap, Brandesia, was thinking
about going for the Wisdom, now he wants to go for the kill instead. Will Chase down
Snake, he managed to kill up the Ringmaster. Liquid, they're losing Topher, so they lose
the two on Liquid, they do manage to at least take the wisdom away from Falcons, so whilst
they might not be taking the trade on the kills, they might not be over yet though,
because they're still going to get them. In fact, Mars is very low, they might even
find a Mars. Nisha, ready to try and go for the Crush Connect? Nisha gets the kill. They're
not only going to be able to sneak in and get the wisdom, but that kill picked up at
the end of it. Liquid, they're absolutely happy with that trade.
They're just playing completely on the outskirts, right? These wards that they have placed from
boxy earlier just completely staying right outside of vision so Falcons can't see them.
Nisha even looking to continue. They see snaking trying to stack. Snaking.
We have to run him down. Got the top forward. Avalanche as well. Another one here for the
two of them to find Boxy and Nisha. Nisha's going to go for the TP. I can about get him
with the cross. Not quite. Very close. Nisha gets out. He's getting away with all of these
moves. This is some good, a good sort of pressure and just aggressive maneuvers from Nisha in this early game, playing around this dangerous part of the map.
Really cool stuff too, because then also what ends up happening is they're pulling so much attention toward that top lane. The Mars is left at a 1v1 versus the Sven. So he's pretty happy about that. He's actually the same farm as Skeeter is at the moment.
Skeeter is now starting to work on the stack of ancient itself, so we'll be boosted up a fifth there, but some cool emphasis that Liquid has done in this top lane with three wards to try to enable.
the bristle because yeah but what's the bill gonna be from that game you see well first
time queued up he's looking for the lowest but I've seen Lotus SNY in a lot of situations
but I'm not sure whether the SNY maybe it goes for something else this game Lotus is
amazing though he versus yeah he versus the Slaundar breaks it's gonna be incredible
And I think most games, Bristol, just don't notice anyways, first item.
But when you're sort of... yeah.
I just, I was in quite an interesting little difference,
is Mal'Rena's going Vessel, by the way.
Alright, I mean, yeah, obviously getting Sput sort of the save,
they heal us with the Colt and press, it'd be quite nice.
It's good against everybody.
It's good against a lot of five heroes in a way.
Lash maybe less so in terms of early game, but later on it'll be good.
But stopping any healing, good versus tanky heroes?
Very interesting.
It's not a nerdy stuff though, on this game by the way.
I wasn't gonna point it out, but not the reason.
Foxy?
Foxy?
Is this another tossback?
Quick lick from Cripp.
Don't quite a bit of work, Foxy again, going in.
We're teasing around with the epicenter.
I don't want to do that anymore.
That's for Nisha in position to fight.
I'm not going to sort of take the bait there, Falcons.
They'll hold back.
Look at really wanting to control Triangle area.
Since they're playing versus this Sven, versus Sanking, who want to hit the jungle for some time.
Of course, Skeeter is just going to stay on the bottom side, but it's just preventing
that stack game from outreading.
Go for the push here if they've got this edict up.
They should have it.
That's how it all works, as well.
Very interesting game.
I'm sure Ace is feeling pretty happy.
I'm saying that right now, they're pinging him.
Maybe people are gonna go for a move on to him,
but this is one of the quietest.
I think I've seen 11 minutes.
Mars has just been sitting bottom full HP for me.
I just want to try and cut the Skeeter now
that I know the God strength is just worn off.
So you know, this fan is not ready to fight.
They've got make time to kind of get the jump on him.
You sure?
Bit of a tough spot for Skeeter to get caught
and Nisha's gonna find him.
Skeeter will get the stun off and try and run.
The stun from Nisha connects, that's going to be Skeeter taken out.
Arena's going to get dropped down so they'll actually end up catching anyone.
So they still might be able to chase Snaking down though.
Trombone's up a bit of safety here with the escape pack.
He's dead.
Don't drop the curse for this.
They want that rig master dead, don't get him.
Oh, I'll say that, yes.
Oh my goodness, Snaking, he gets the all-off, but they finally get him.
But they're going pretty deep for that.
And now a masked team feet in, he's ready to try and make them pay.
The corner bracer by a bit of safety for Nisha, but Balkans,
They're on top of him, and Nisha's gonna get taken down, and then they can try and see if they can chase down Ace as well.
Amar and Kripp and Mareen hot in the chase here for Ace, they push them out with a gachorabu, put the barrestrikes in, they get in with the crush,
and they might have got a snaking on the ringmaster, but Ace tries for TP out, but the frog stomps there, so his TP gets put for a stop.
They chase the ringmaster too far there, snaking, surviving as long as he did, and Liquid, they chased all the way from him.
They might get a bit of a sort of a
preventive cheers. They do find Snakey back on the top lane and he's back out on the map.
This time around they'll kill him off a little easier.
But Thal can definitely have to make something happen on that bottom lane because of that deep chase.
I mean, he literally clowned on them, right?
He dodged the stun with the little illusion cape thing.
Popped the Lotus, got the strong Nantanix, survived long enough to get some spells.
But three spawns dies, and our top quick rotations come again.
They could play fast, and I have to get a lot of courage to box you with these movements.
I mean, it definitely feels as well liquid. They have to play fast. I can only imagine
how anytime you run some sort of lineup where your position one is like buying Lotus as
the first item, you know, you're not doing that because you want to win the game in 50
minutes, right? You're doing that because you want to shut the game down in 30.
Yeah, do you want to play just play with an advantage looking to get these early powers,
get that tempo set? The spend is going to hit. That's what we have to talk about too,
Right as if you we do see Sven's a lot of time and how hard he hits especially with stuns
We don't see Sven with slaughter a lot corrosive pace plus then is
Overwhelming to say the least if he doesn't get the connections if there's no
Scan
Let's see if this Vessel pays off also for Malrin, do I have to talk about this and see
if this isn't a stall out of Blink?
The Greaves is already done, so they do at least have one way to dispel off of Nisha
in particular, and then they do have the Lotus, so they're going to have two different ways
to get this vessel taken off.
Blink number one is done.
Amar has his finished pretty early time.
He's hiding it for a second here, though,
doesn't want to show it.
Yeah, they're definitely going to want to go with this one.
I mean, do you think they go with the smoke and blink reveal
just directly onto the top tier one tower
and let's try and jump the bristle?
person would be hard. I'm thinking maybe it's the lash. You don't really see him, though.
Okay, and yeah, Marsy, he's not gonna hold it back anymore, so. I know that the blink's
online.
It's tough to just get any sort of jump. It's tough to just like go for a target, this
thing, because you have to have some information of where the weapon is. It's about to have
his blink done. Teamfight gonna be pretty strong for the side of Liquid. We've
got all these coming together for Falcons as well, but there's is a I would
say actually about similar execution-wise.
Definitely just wait on sort of Liquid's shoulders to get moves guy.
Because we're seeing you know Falcons, they do have this sort of lineup where
They have kind of three cores that could become three carries and that's just not necessarily the same when you look at liquids three cores
Yeah, Foxy's having a good time
Foxy is gonna have a pretty early blink which could change things a lot because then it gives them two
Multiple different ways to initiate without having to risk a course life or on the side of Falcons the initiators of the course
Yeah, they could look we need to go. Yeah, we got some time from liquid
They've got to speed things back up maintain grow this lead. They have against Falcons
They can't allow Falcons to farm enough on all three
Oh, snaking, put the ward down, immediately spots them.
Maar.
Well, get your Renault in, but the spear was missed, so four is in on top of him.
Maar, he's going to come here trying to help out, and Maar is still alive, he's trying
to set her away, he's going to get out.
What a wheel.
The ringmaster comes and catches the three of them, Maarine will die, so Liquid's still
able to find something out of it.
But Maar, he was able to run away there.
That was a pretty solid connection to Sney and Maarine, landed three combos, but they're
too durable.
The extra heal, the sustain actually keeps them up.
Bring the 5, rallying around their Bristol back with this Lotus, with this Greaves.
These early timings, all three of those cores do have that, I mean, at least that one item timing at the moment to build the fight very effectively.
Amar?
I have to get this up.
They're away from this one.
Settles gone.
Quit getting the objectives. That's the blink on boxy
Very good timing
Look at these words again. I'm liquid. I have to give them credit this game, too
I have a couple games from liquid that they didn't have great words this game
Man some excellent words in moving snake King's guys on ace in the trees
He's found them ace is gonna jump forward onto skidder, but there's no one here to back up that sort of play from ace
I mean I said a boxy's in but ace is already pretty much dead. He's gone and now boxy's been found by Kritt on the
high ground. This is not a place for liquid to fight. Not without their Mars now and not
without their Tiny. I mean, Tofu's trying to fell Foxy out of this one, but they're
not getting this Tiny back safely. It's the two of them dead. I mean, just trying to sort
of set up that play. Obviously Ace didn't know that there was going to be more backup
behind Skeeter. But even without that, kind of went for that before there was anyone close
enough to connect with him. It's a bit risky.
I cursed them. You know, I said they're playing really good around their vision. They have
all this vision and it actually just walked up and that was like the 2k lead
gone almost they lose quite a bit that I actually almost thought tofu was gonna
get caught too because you walk it was like it was getting spooky then it was
like oh my goodness he's trying to save boxy they've got to be careful
save your body syndrome could be coming into play right here
you quit they can't afford to sort of make moves like that and need to keep
that lead keep that edge if they're not constantly running at falcons falcons are
going to be having quite a happy time getting that farm up it does look like
Mickey's going the standard bill he's trying to go on snaking but
snaky's just completely counterplayed him now is it with the back of ace is dead
that's that's a couple deserter ace that are very that's rough
save liquid can make anything happen out of the back of this mckay
porksy noib becoming in time without avalanche the tpr is successful
but yeah these sort of deaths on ace they really hurt sort of the momentum and the
approach that you can only imagine liquid trying to go for with this lineup
yeah especially like as you were mentioning right they want to be about
setting this tempo the starter is just hitting creeps a while this yeah this
Mars has died twice he's 2k ahead now
it's about the shard to be able to farm as well on a Marth
the kids got to clean it up now a snaking on this ringmaster he's causing them a
lot of trouble he really is and I was actually gonna mention that I feel a
Chris usually the Chris usually the one playing it stays on it I mean it's just
proven to be very hard to go on it all these moves and all these jumping around
into the box and stuff turning with the ults or snaking he is he's in his
element on this ringmaster playing fantastic he's zero and five but it's
like it I actually don't even feel his five deaths that's like it feels like
He's done some pretty cool stuff
Look at him make a but still very a tough very much a tough target to go on going for the Bristol
I think I really need to Falcons. You know as long as they're farming and not sort of losing lives. They're happy
Exactly. I was about to say ideally. I think Falcons
They want to just wait till that BKB is done for a mark because it went to this point was to charge it
So if the fight comes to them, they might take it but
Ideally he does want to wait for that plus to spend the decreases.
They are going to get some pretty good timings with that.
Link is done for Skidder.
Up to Sack for Tormentor.
Difficult to contest Tormentor versus Versaildo if you're not completely set up already.
I'm the critic of the gun and he smokes here, I'm on the other side of the box, he's already
with the smoke, they have ace by the side this time, they just need to try and go for
that sort of all in team fight right, have ace get this jump and have that immediate
follow up, Anisha he can kick out insane amounts of damage, they want to look to go
I've got to know where the ringer has to be.
Well, Mara jumped in on this, and it's this time the ringer's going to catch him, and
there will be a very dead Mara.
Fools for sort of the bait there, going for the jump.
And I guess they might just get it.
I mean, Mara's going to try and shut them off there with the jump for the epicenter.
Skeeter is in with the Godstrip, onto Nisha.
Nisha caught by the ring, the wheel, he's gone, the curse will come down for the escape
backs there to keep Maaring safe and ensure that Skeeter doesn't end up killing off his teammate.
And now Maaring's ready to jump in for more gets the jumpstone onto Tofu.
They might have got a ma, but there are at least three heroes for it.
Around on the tempo, they also unable to take the Shrine of Wisdom away.
Skeeter still able to get in with a blink and take it for himself.
Again, these are not fights that Liquid can afford to take and end up with the result being like this.
These small mistakes can really compound in this type of game.
When Falcons are just content on hitting the creeps and then you're making the aggressive move and you get punished like this, that's costly.
Very, very costly. Skeeter shows up, gets some nice clean-up kills, Misha a bit over-aggressive, over-Zella splits away from his tanky cores, gets caught off guard there.
Now we're seeing the build too, Greaves are now finished for the Largo, so as we said, that's probably the build they'll go, and he did go for 4 points of growth, so that same thing's damage is super high inside the teamfights.
I'm not sure.
Look at what he arcane but
that's what they control from the frog stump and Navel's
Maureen to get the space to get the pick up.
That's a big concerning moment really for Liquid
because this is pre-BKBs, right?
Pre-blinked BKB on the Sven,
pre-blinked BKB on the Slaughter,
you got this Slaughter once but now he's got that BKB.
This is going to be incredibly strong when you're playing versus that Mars.
They want to be, Liquid wants to tick fights on their terms
And now with those DKBs, they can just kind of switch things.
So, looking for the Roche.
The Falcons want to have a say in this.
Or they kind of like, you can get the Aegis.
They're also coming up.
Opening on towards Maureen, gets done locked down.
It's not enough to control him though.
He's out of the ring here with the Boris Strike.
Nice curse.
On to the three of them.
Maureen will still fall, taking also to go down.
Skiddle's having to get the angle to jump in and take out Toad food.
This time around Falcons have lost two.
Look at the courier snipe, and he will get tossed back.
He's got BKB, but he wasn't able to get it off.
Did not get his BKB off there, Amar.
So Liquid finally finding the fight
that they were hoping for there.
Even though it was a bit sort of slippery at the start,
but it was thanks to getting away,
their Tofu absolutely redeeming it there
with that three-man curse,
allowing them to have the setup to get the cleanup.
That was honestly for a second.
I'm like, oh, God, they got away.
And then when he gets the curse,
it all becomes so much better.
They get the three of them.
Skeeter gets in.
Maura has to bear a Spell Skeeter out actually. If the Maura doesn't do that, Skeeter probably dies.
So I think the Maura's body could BKB run TP out, but if those get caught from stuns, liquid.
Fixing some of those mistakes here.
Absolutely. Now with the Aegis on Misha, they've got that extra sort of failsafe to continue to go for these sort of plays.
And have that second life on the Lestrack.
Oof, Lestrack, I see.
how's that agg looking for malry and he's very close to it as well
nice team fights see who gets these engagements of course he said there's
that aegis on the issue which should give liquid a good bit of coverage all
the oldies are coming back up and the timings for falcons are hitting the
bkbs at the least liquid it what's their next big one at least not quite any of
these BKB's just yet, but still strong to rally just around each other.
Another catch.
Boxy's been finding quite a lot.
Mark is way along the bottom side of the map has to be cautious.
They quit.
They see the boys on him, Ace.
Not going to get the initial connection onto a tree or latch anything with the
spear, so Mark will have the safety to put the BKB and run.
Kenny?
Oh, the curse coming in.
They're trying to do whatever they can to slow this Slardar down, and he's not getting any help, T.P.
He's actually having to blink off!
That's a curse! Added Arena!
Used, and nothing more to sort of take away from that other than they forced the BKB charge out of the Slardar, Amar lives.
Got just out of range, I guess, so the Quill, it looked like it had clipped him, but gets that blink off, and now those ult being cooled down, Falcons is gonna look to fight.
No Arena, no curse.
Liquid looking to be this huge.
Liquid, I chased him a little bit away.
Yeah, Liquid's got him careful now.
Marin, he's in with a jump.
Pined everything onto Tofus. Fair pushing Marin back.
But again, does he get the stun connection?
And Marin's in with a jump to make sure that Tofus out.
Marin getting healed up into the box as well.
He'll survive. They can get the double with the wheel drop down.
As liquid they have to run.
Falcons, can they get the chance to chase anything more here?
Glies on Micke, of course, doesn't want to go for the jump.
Yeah, knows that Micke would have been able to counter play with the Lotus.
But still, they're getting the two heroes.
And Liquid getting caught out in that situation, not really backing off quick enough after they
had that whole scenario where they've been using their ults to try and catch them up.
And it was a trade of cooldowns in terms of Liquid using these big ones, but it wasn't
the most that you could see expended from the side of Falcons. It wasn't Dodgestring,
it wasn't Ring-Alt, but they still have the Sanking at the ready here with the Epi.
In case another fight did kick off.
It's a 1k. I'm just aiming at these very close to terms of the numbers.
You should find those. Very nice. The Dream Neutral. Actually it's not the armor one,
sorry, but either way it's still a really good one. Keep the Whispers of Brawny a bit tankier.
Oh, Boxing! Skeeter, it's got the setup! Skeeter's got the BKB ready to press stuff!
Now messing around there wants to ensure that Nisha doesn't get the follow-up sent on to it.
They've been on point with their combos, honestly, Boxing and Nisha, prospect stuns.
Now no BKB spend. There's liquid going to look to go for something here.
I just had a game to watch so here's the smart time at the arena initiation from
boxy at the ready
when you go to the Falcon post he's gonna get the jump forward only on tomorrow
in a crit sample into safety they wanted to go now man they might have to
yourself for snaking snaking sort of wasn't to chase up to the side but
Let's allow Marin to get back in with the F% and jump forward for a stretch on towards Foxy.
Foxy would try and toss Marin away.
And for the first damage coming in from Nisha, Marin, he will get taken out.
But Mickey at the side has been chased by Skeeter and Crick.
He survived to get the moment of the attack, so Skeeter is now super low.
Skeeter will call, Mickey lives.
They're taking out the two calls, they'll be able to get Crick as well.
Mickey there with the outplay as they spent so much time trying to chase him.
He gets the freedom to kite them, turn around.
Amar, Amar's looking to try and get the kill!
Oh, that's a bit crazy!
He's got the BKB.
Uh, he might just accept his death.
No, he wants to.
But Tufus got a blink!
He's away!
Amar, he's got a run.
He should be okay,
because he's gonna have to blink back up in a second.
Uh, but Sir, at least won't die for that wild attempt there on the Slardar.
But, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I'd say the TP's coming in.
He's still sort of stuck in this position,
because they know he's not got a TP.
So he's gonna have to hang out on this part of the map for quite some time was liquid
They're gonna have to space to start pushing down the mid
Hey again, these fights this one was making a nice kiting but the toss backs again
Malvin forces a fight and then gets tossed even further into a spear play honestly
They're landing these combos really nice
No PKB for this fan when he won't goes in either because it was still on cooldown from earlier. Oh, they see snaking
We came around here
Boxy got the catch, got the dust back, in it is done. Another job well done there by
Boxy on the tiny.
Honestly, Boxy is absolutely killing this game.
AC done now for Mickey, so a lot, a lot more armor, a lot more protection versus a high
ground.
Time to go high ground.
Yep, absolutely can threaten.
Serena's ready.
Serena's ready
So they're respecting the buybacks because gonna TP out wants to deal with the top wave
Trying to at least get that final tier two top they consider going for the next step
It looks like maybe Nisha was calling for boxy also
Cuz if they can do these if they can do the toss into the stun into the follow-up side
It's been preventing these these heroes from getting their BKBs off a lot of times. It's been very impressive
Now brings BKBs also been stalled out a long time now after these last few deaths still doesn't have it
I'll run up the ready, now we're going to inhale out that for the next fight.
That's a pretty good one, could be the difference maker at least in terms of surviving since
you didn't have to give you just yet.
The team's ready to fight. Falcons smoked up.
Dias Middletown. Dias Middletown has fallen.
Marus pretty close to AC also to have that match at least versus that Bristol backs
Cool, okay skater does I was hoping to see this too some players don't prioritize as much but he actually buys the shard
So makes a very big difference
I think most players that watch it would not buy this, you guys go for a bit of this right, but Skeeter wanted to benefit the team overall.
You know, it says allies, you know, I'm a core, I'm not a support, you know, why am I buying something that says allies?
That's what I spend.
It's such a good shard.
Yeah.
Mid
They quit there, happy to fight
Nice to jump, the toss back into the stun, they've caught Amar at the start of the fight, Amar's dead
But Amar you'll get him with the epicenter, and the shield from providing him some safety allows him to take down Boxy
But the buyback coming in though, they want to keep this guy, they put Arena, Spirit down under the turn
And Mario will be able to break away here with the borough strike
Skidder is cleaning up Nisha, looks towards Toad with the Colt of Grace is there just in time and Mikke of course still standing very strong as the Bristle as he gets the double
ready to chase now to walk Snake, Snake is going to try and run, holds him back with the whip, goes for the TP out with the Spears of the Ready, triple kill for Mikke
while these timings, these fights, you know, Liquid they know their strengths, they go for these skirmishes because this Bristle, pretty unkillable right now
and this is their time in 30 minutes or so to try and shut this game down
Absolute beast, Miike standing down, but my god, again, Foxy.
Again, the toss combos doesn't let the slaughterer get BKB.
He spent his gold cube for the AC, so no buyback.
He buys back instantly when we die and does it again.
Just finds catch after catch.
Very impressive.
They got a good combo with the spend and the ringmaster on the lash, but Miike, he's the real carry.
Sam, I'm sticking there from this full set of racks, man.
Still 30 seconds without Skita back in the game.
And we'll respect the fact that the rest of the team are coming back into action.
Four heart now.
Ah, he's pretty on the other side.
Truly isolated.
I mean, could if they won't, we'll go for the next Roshan.
It's gonna be up in just a minute.
So if they get that Aegis, that might be the Aegis the liquid look to end the game with.
I don't think Falcons is going to go down without a fight. They're definitely going to look to fight. I don't think they can keep it up. I think they have to fight around that. So they're going to look to try at this deficit. Everything is up for Liquid though.
Camp in the high ground. Very prepared. Passing over a gem to Nisha as well.
as well.
They got him.
Got eyes on Toast for the blink.
They have this board still from earlier.
The sneaky one's sneaking place.
It's giving info, but.
Welcome now for the liquid.
This high ground position.
The spell on Amari knows they're around.
So we'll jump back to the safety of his team.
KK's got the heart now, he just picked it up.
Okay.
More than half of the frontline air, they get the jump forward, they get the toss back on the boards, Crick getting low, but he's having a run.
Now CK comes out for Skidder, but the curse will hold back Skidder for a little bit of time.
Marine with the damage pumping out from him, takes out both supports.
Skidder is going to look towards Ace, but Ace has got the BKV.
Nisha dealt with fire by Ace will now drop the arena against the spear connection
But the escape pack saves their fight staking time to keep them alive
And now I'm out for turn back over to wall state if the arena comes to an end
Ace is gone and now it's Mickey against the world
The last one left standing
They're ready to chase him down
Maureen in with the bar strike
He's still pretty tanky here on the bristle
Is he tanky enough to whist out the whole team being down on him?
It's close, you know, it's taking quite a lot to bring him down, but they will get him and with that, it's a team-wide fault.
No, it's dead.
They all lift. The Largo showed first, somehow survives from a box play, and then they actually just get the gobbly jump.
Boxy, he did use the buyback in the last fight. They're showing how important he is.
Him and Tofu both got caught in that initiation from Mal Reiner.
Oh, wow, Falkins. And now this is the opportunity they've been waiting for.
Yeah, they're making it in the rush.
And again, this was the point of the game where Liquid, they needed to be in charge.
You know, where we saw it from those earlier moves, this one, this was a move that they signed themselves up for.
They came at this wrap round, looked to try and get this fight going, but it just fell apart too quickly.
Yeah, we saw a great jump from Maureen cleaning out the support backlines.
And then at this point, now Shubik is pretty unkillable, but they do a great job of just ignoring Mikkei and dealing with everybody else first.
I can't believe that Chris shows his face and then just is able to walk away.
He just pops the song and just skirts out and they get probably the best possible situation
happened for them in this game.
Now up to 5k and now for Liquid the game is becoming not just more difficult like their
idea the concept of what they wanted to do right like you were mentioning.
Keep that tempo going.
It's kind of been broken.
Maloney now has a refresher.
Start to get some extra wounds.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It really is.
You know, with Lickra's lineup, if they start to lose sort of control at this timing of the game,
it's going to be much more easier for Falcons to maintain that lead and grow up with their lineup.
Now, Liquid just picked up a couple of big items too before that fight, like the Bloodstone was
just picked up before the fight. I believe they're so... Yeah, the Heart as well too,
they just picked up, and they lost that fight completely.
Radiant are scaring.
Absolutely a big deal
And credit sitting at now
46 harbor when he's running around with his song on because he has it to 20 power
It doesn't matter even if you have that toss back on through now. He's he's a high chance. He's able to walk away again
You got the magic resist neutral item to with the glimmer
Difficult times ahead here for liquid
A barrage truck from Maureen, just enough to clip onto Voxy, Voxy's got the TP there at the ready and he is out!
I actually wish I could go on camera with... what happened there by the way.
Maureen blink-stunned it to try to catch Voxy, and Voxy was actually tossing a creep at the same time to clear the wave and it tossed Maureen.
So, I'm glad I looked over, it looked really funny first.
first. This, this zanking's damage is really an issue. Refresher, he's got the
rattle cage with the timeless, he's got the croak, he's got the box over and over again.
So liquid. The supports have to do the work, right? It's boxy getting these
toss back plays and repositioning, but it's now leveled up quite a bit harder
versus the 3BKBs.
And the blank actually too of Snae.
Snae actually can get the reach now to save targets.
Even if they do get these cosplays.
So what is the plan out here?
Wait out the Aegis?
It might be.
And honestly it might be wait out Aegis and then just still play to all in a target
because I did see Ace was contemplating what item to buy.
He was king of Hex, he was king of Refresher, and he goes for a nullifier, so what that means is
you 100 to 0 a target through the box, right?
Because the escape Hex is what you're trying to counteract with this.
You're trying to just, yeah, remove a hero from the game.
For the start of the teamfight.
Easier said than done, though.
I think Nisha also needs to do it. I think you go, you go your double BKBs and then you
go for that that next timing and then if you don't win that fight on liquid it it could just be the
game but i think this is maybe their best option in terms of how things have started to shift i think
they can meet you super effectively on it and you should doesn't quite have it not just yet
he's very close should get the chance to find it within these last 30 seconds or so
But you know, Falcons, more than happy to just sort of take what they could from the map,
but didn't necessarily try and force something crazy with that Aegis on Skeeter.
Come on, he's giving information.
What's the best information there was?
Tornetra is back up, they've got it starting to poison so poor it.
Hawkins though also, we see the two taking the gates.
Skeeter and Snapping are in the area, Aegis is reclaimed.
It looks like Liquid decides against it.
I'm sure Crit would have really liked to have that with Glimmer plus Solar Crest for the
buffs.
That would have been nice, yeah.
I swear it never gives you, on Largo, if you buy Pavis Solar Crest Glimmer it won't
give you the shard if you buy mac it gives you the shard immediately
you did by both of them
but 25 so then where's the smoke so yeah boxing's got a smoke ready to go when
they want to go for this play okay mickey is five experience from 25
Nisha is about a full level from 25.
Spandex 25.
Okay, so Malrin has got A on disc, but remember, there's going to be that
nullifier, but he does have BTBs, so very likely that it's going to be hard
to get Malrin. They definitely want to try to do it. He does have a shield as well.
a shield as well. There's the smoke. Liquid. Gonna have to go all in for this. They cannot
afford to lose the teamfight right now. There's the jump. Poxy looking for the open ult to
Maureen. That's the top spot but Amar makes the jump over towards Poxy in return. Grinder's
gonna get laid down for Amar. Get up at the PKB. Off to the side. Skeeter trying to battle
against Ace, Mika, and Nisha. The curse. Behold him in position. Skeeter's starting to get
The catch him with the two-man spear, but there's a Skeeter.
Core air surrounded in the river, Liquid gets the double from AK.
And now they're ready to potentially drive for more.
He didn't finish up Tote, but the fact that Ace comes in with a Godfrey Buke, slams down Snake King.
This fight hits Liquid.
Maybe some miscommunication has looked like Skeeter went in when his team went out.
So he gets isolated on the right side.
That's a heavy commitment. Liquid's BKBs paid off massively.
They can go for this push here now.
They can most of try to close it up, at least get as much as they could, but that was the fight that they needed.
Things back on track for Liquid are trying to close this game up before Falcons become too much.
That was such an impressive fight.
So much they can get here.
Vibeck's available on Skeeter and Snake King.
I'm asking with a crush, Vibeck comes out for Snake King.
It turns towards Amar, they get the spear connection on towards Amar.
Amar's gonna get backed up by Marin, coming in with a bar of strike.
He looks up, it was Nisha, Marin in with a DKB.
Nisha, off the bloodline, starts to keep his distance away from Marin.
They haven't had to use the buyback yet on Skeeter. Skeeter's nodding back on his.
Awkward wheel.
Okay, they kept the buybacks, but they did have to use his.
That was a, honestly, such a beautiful fight for me.
You couldn't ask for better spellcasting.
And it was, Balkans kind of went picking the fight.
Just maybe a bit of miscommunication,
how they did want to take it overall.
25 now for Anisha.
Those BKB purchases were super clutch.
Yeah, they're massive.
They're going to learn on the timing,
securing the team fight, getting that next pick up now
from Mikkei, he's got a full Abyssal Blade.
Yeah, quite a bit of, and that's Abyssal too, right?
like these games right after just finishing up one enemy's got a whole
another one cells yes well this assembles right goes for that this
assemble play for it so you will have multiple bkb piercing lockdowns versus
this man if they can kite mckay or sorry if they can cut kite skeeter
that's perhaps gotten easy with this too impressive
I mean, almost 25 refreshers on cooldown, liquid speaking together.
I mean, Malonee's finishing 25 before this, he's pinging.
check up the ratio of delusion is gonna be up in just 20 seconds okay
let's make a gut now okay cells tried spies bots
whoa they're gonna try to jump to a mark once you get the jump you get the
toss back skitters gonna be there with two bikes down there
go set the bikes and I'm gonna save to the cursor the whole back skitter for a moment
he really is trapping him skitters BKB now pork but once he's having the sauce off
Skeeter's getting low, he's trying to light steel back up as he turns towards Mikkei.
And Mikkei puts the BKB, starts to climb out the edge of the fight, and now Skeeter's in trouble.
The stun comes in from Nisha, that's Skeeter dead for 100 seconds, he's gone.
Alvino, so he can get his way back out of this, he un-disked.
We'll find a bit of safety as he's able to get the BKB, he's dragged back here by Kripp,
won't manage to retreat. Here's the push now by Liquid.
And by back with Close coming in from Box, see they're able to go all in, I'm trying to get
at least the mega creeps are marked.
Gonna go over the cross, Mallory,
looking to jump the back lines once again,
if they ever get tossed back here by Boksy.
Mallory, getting very, very low,
but Skidder comes in focusing Nisha,
but he can't quite finish up the job.
Nisha, able to live, they turn attention under
what's Mikkei, but he never tosses there up,
because Skidder from Boksy, Mikkei,
walking it off, but Mark will finally get the catch
to set up and allow Skidder to bring Mikkei down.
So Falcons, they will manage to finally push Liquid back.
The melee racks standing strong.
It's the question of if they can get much done here now
in this 80 seconds or so when Mickey is dead.
That was, honestly, the spell casting
and the positioning from Tofu
is next level in these last few fights.
I have to give him so much credit.
Malrin is hunting for him and he's like positioning himself
on the edge of the fight, blinking out, coming back in,
getting these cold embraces and prolonging the fights.
This sustain is really impressive.
60 seconds though, they give you foshes.
The rush is up.
With that buyback, you can speed it.
You imagine the temptation is there to just go into the rush,
and I'm trying to say just watch the brist of death.
Sure.
I think they will.
Or they go straight for a fight,
because they do have a mar with a buyback, at least, at least.
Just have a look.
Under liquid, do they try some 4v5 play,
or do you just let this rush go?
You don't have your rally.
The hero you want to rally around, right?
I think it's a lot harder for you to approach the play
without your personal back just running in so they'll sack it
I thought they would skip skater the refresher shard
well that's true actually looking nice here with the land of God's run from
the KZ I definitely wants to run the BKG forces the the Bissell as we're
seeing in these curses that Toppa's been able to land.
This game is honestly, the graph is telling a big story of it
as well too about how crazy it is, but it's been it's one of the
honestly probably the most exciting game that I've seen.
Yeah, a lot of it's all about the fights really. It really is.
It's you know, liquid knowing what they need to do to get the
win here constantly bringing the action to Falcons. And you
know, step by step, they've been a lot of progress there. And
now once melee ranks away from getting a mega creeps against
buyback actually too so they can't bring the numbers see if it was ready with the positioning
he's dead
oh the eyes on krip
foxy is in with the avalanche escape back comes out
see skidder now make the jump over foxy but again the best step in your step
he's gonna buy some time for himself marion will get the jump forward skidder
have a funny finish off the kill there
where's the guy help with the two of them now skidder turns over was mckay
but mckay's having to back off now run straight over to try and help out mars
but the ace is dead and now if ace gone, there's no saving mid game.
That's four down on Liquid, a fault they don't have buyback, they ain't got the money.
That's what I said, everyone went all in for this fight.
They get crushed in this one completely.
They're stunned, follow up, they get split up all over the place, they can't go for anybody.
The two supports died instantly in the fight.
So, Rothwander and Liquid have been...
had some pretty good calls so far, but that one, a painful call to make.
trying to take that fight for dead no buybacks Falcons ready to start doing
some damage to liquids bags I mean after such coordinated fight in the top and
in the bottom of the river fight in particular this one was nowhere near
that one they lost their two supports right away they're two main heroes
pretty much and you're happening you're doing it into an a juice on the enemy's
fan and when you don't have the luxury of buybacks it's a big risk and it did
And no pay off there for Liquid.
Falkens getting the chance to strike back.
Very nice.
So they're a team Liquid by their mind, plus they might be sort of one fight away from victory.
They're also potentially one mistake away from losing all that momentum that they've been able to keep pretty steady throughout the game.
The mid-racks are gone.
All the money that Falcons is getting out of this too right the game was pretty much at like zero
It's cozy for now all the way up to 13k. They all got extra item or buy backs now available
Liquid, they want to chase
It curls onto a lock
Renekton as well
My's got BKB though and he's ready to go for the BKB TP
They don't have anything to put a stop to it through it
So he's out. Crip will get caught by the heroes to probably just bail on Crip
Let the frog die
to see another fire. I thought perhaps they were going to pull out all of them, but Topol
was respawning pretty quickly. They had the glyph. So one minute left on this Aegis. Okay.
And Crit, he won't have to buy back. He'll be able to come back and look at all the money
they've got, right? Everyone now on Falcons, they've got to buy back. And the levels as
well. Snaking was able to steal the wisdom on the way out, so he's now got his 25. He's
got the strongest spell and flying for the escape pack ready to go. Oh man, I almost never
even see this get online. That, the strong disbell definitely can be a big one this game.
By N25, also on, okay they have both supports, Lago as well having it so
those sound effects are gonna start kicking in as well.
Liquid has to have cleaner execution in Teamfights, cleaner protection. They still have,
So of course I have chance in this game just have to protect the two supports tofu and boxy have to do what they were doing earlier in terms of
Staying in those defensive positions
Maybe everybody is him we might have everyone have a buybacks before the next engagement
Yeah
He was hitting some pretty big critical mass points to Amar, level 27 on him and Nullifier
perhaps after he consumes his agonisms and getting pretty close.
Then I don't know why, then Tofu is going to have a, I hear he has a pretty impossible
positioning game, but versus a Slardar with a Nullifier too, then Amar has a clear cutout
choice where he wants to do it.
line to the back line. And she's kind of been doing anyway. But now it doesn't have, wouldn't
have to worry about the Aeon if he has an olifier.
I'm going to quit, starting to bring in the bottom wave.
So they're a little bit apprehensive of a potential wraparound coming in from Falcons, but obviously the case at the moment.
I mean these are the, this is probably the tensest moments of the game, of course we're approaching 50 something minutes here and everybody's gonna have that by itself.
Hit wave bottom, so we've got to have to address it at some point.
I think they're a little afraid of maybe fully showing down there until they get some info, if we could perhaps get jumped on it.
Let's now go, clear the wave.
I mean, honestly, it's so much pressure on Tofu's positioning.
They have the one Rax remaining, but the team fight, as we see,
Falcons can just, if they find these two supports, can be very problematic, very very quickly with the Maar being this big with this Nullifier now.
Yeah, yeah, but sort of last few times, well, it was pretty much what Maarin and the Maar that have been doing a very good job of finding that jump towards the supports of Liquid.
Yeah, and a couple of times the supports have been able to live from either an A on this, it goes after a ULZ, that, yeah, he counteracted with the Nullifier now.
could get a 60-minute game on our hands too with things without playing out I
think we might have Falcons they're more than happy to sort of wait for
liquid to come to them as they pretty much have been most of the game really
now even the fights that have been won by factors a lot of them have sort of
ended up being ones your liquid have been taken taken against them you know
liquid have had to be a little bit more practice this game and you know they
have been you know getting this close to getting the mega creeps it's just the
Falcons they've been given them a real proper fight each and every time that
the liquors tried to go for action. And there's also on the Mars, more fire could be pretty
valuable if they get it at the right time. Block of cheese also being picked up, Crip,
can we see that one? Yeah we did, so block of cheese, does that at least right, they've
gathering those lotuses he's gonna get those big connections you're gonna die
so fast they're ready to go for it liquid there's the smoke a Mars in
position on the high ground ready to put a stop to any sort of smoke plate
coming in from there. Tophu.
Trying to hide ground vision. Popsies man, have to find a two man.
Have like thinking the stunner's welcome in from any stage.
He's scared to the front, put the refresh in the second.
Spirit locks him down perfectly.
That's going to be Skeeter got Skeeter five back straight away.
Want to get back over towards the five marines.
In the jump of the BKB he's up from Nisha.
Nisha chasing down a Marmar. Stands his ground though.
Back up to be coming in from Skeeter here with the second life.
We're trying to run down Nisha with the cord and brace.
Topsie from Tophu, keeping Nisha safe, kneeling him back up.
Irina the second one ready to go in from a skitter tries to turn up all space for the
heal just keeps a safe skitter can he survive through this he'll look to continue to drag
back mickey looking for the angle to cut him down but mickey survives the lucius off mickey
healing up turning stacking up the goo here onto skitter crushing onto mickey with enough
cold embrace comes in from tofu mickey continuing to heal have they got the damage to do they do
the crits coming hard, they bring Mickey down, drag back onto Boxy, he brought back for this one,
it's looking to be a dieback, Tofu tries to save him with the cold embrace, but they cannot get
Boxy out of this one, so he is out for a second time in the fight, Falcons coming in with the
three man buyback, they take the team fight, we'll see what they can do off the back of that one,
four dead on Liquid. Liquid didn't overreact with buyback by any means, Tofu's positioning in
in this fight, it was God me, like we said from earlier, that's what he needs to do to
have these type of fights, go like this, and yeah, lots of buybacks used, so let's see
what we percussionist, Boxie did buyback and die, he did not need to do that one, he ran
at the end trying to save Midgame, but it gives his life up to 80 seconds, Scythe Roche
does spawn, looks like it's gonna be a fast one, they might actually get lucky, it's gonna
be up, so Roche is there, scout it, he's gonna drop the game inside, they scout it, and they
kill it very fast. So whilst they probably won't be able to force out the buybacks from
Liquid, they are indeed going to be able to secure the stages. They're the ones sort of
living in the riskier territory now, right, with the three buybacks used on Falcons. Even
though they will have the edges on the one of them, I imagine they're just going to go
the way of Skeeter, and Skeeter snaking, and Amar have to be careful in the next fight.
Liquid were able to play it cool, only putting the tiny Bi-Bak of cooldown.
Everybody else, they put the Bi-Bak to play with on Liquid from the next fight.
Yeah, and oh actually Skeeter did use his Bi-Bak right, so he actually is probably going to buy his own refresher,
so they give the refresher to Amar instead, so he can have the double Bi-Bak also.
Okay.
Yeah, no Bi-Baks though, and they will have, and is Liquid going to just go for the yellow play, use the numbers?
Thing you might do, even though they have the Aegis on Falcons, you know that if you get one of these kills,
And Falcos don't have one of these more important flybacks available.
You can finally close the game up.
Yeah. But like...
The thing is though, that was a pretty picture-perfect start to the fight for Wistlet, right?
Like, they got a two-man start initially getting the two-man spear and everything like that with the vision at first.
So...
I don't know, it's difficult.
Difficult to say what they really want to do, how they want to approach it.
I think they want to go for it.
I don't know, I think they want to be able to.
I think so too.
Yeah.
I can hit by the scan.
Bloodthorn picked up now on Skeeter, so opting for that round when the Refresher purchased
himself just so he can really build up that amount of single target damage they can lock
down onto someone.
And that means that he gets the Refresher shard instead, right?
That's the choice he's making.
Oh, that's for the parts that are over there.
He buys it or he passes it over.
Yeah, they can pass it over.
Because he needs to have double.
Yeah, he needs double BKB and he needs double gun.
double god strength because he's probably gonna die the ones that need that secondary.
So much gold. I actually just need to look at current gold instead of anything else for
a quick second. Now, what we're getting out of the neutrals right, 60 minutes is here.
Let's see if anyone gets anything crazy.
who gets the more busted ones.
Does Snake get the castoring?
Do they get the Book of the Dead?
Does Book of the Dead get the castoring?
The Maureen.
So Maureen's got the Book of the Dead.
Micae's got the Book.
And he's got Audacious.
Oh my god, they both got Audacious.
They're going to die faster, but they're
going to do an insane amount of damage.
Oh my god, OK.
This is going to be insane to keep track of now.
Because now, overall too, Skeeter, his armor.
Skinner's been very tanky because of the armor. Now the bristle damage, it's kind of this hybrid too, so it's
Construct him quite a bit decent more decent as well
Showing the man here, they got a jump on Anisha, but Anisha's got the back of a boxy
Under with the avalanche, Anisha's starting to back up the wind waker
And on head off to the side of the fight for now, Skinner's trying to chase them down with BKB
If the BKB is about to come to an end, Nisha, ready with his own BKB, pops it, they take Skeeter out the once.
See what he's ready to do on the second life, Ace.
A little early with the spare time, and Skeeter's able to get the pressure off into the second Godstrak.
Cross turn out the way of Mikkei.
Skeeter very low on the match.
He's got a huge amount of play with.
Amazgir tries to jump over, the Krusty escape route will come out to the tent to bail Skeeter out.
Then pass over, and she's to be back on the full HP as he eats the cheese.
Looking now at what's Mikkei to damage, but Skeeter, they take Mikkei down.
the kids got the buyback available he'll use it once to get back up towards the
fight and a TP over here to help out Nisha and Ace he's in on top of the mark
Ace will get a sub arena down to control the two of them and Mark go up by the
stuff from Nisha they'll bring Amar down quick to fall the buyback coming in there
from Liquid with Mikkei ensuring that they can take the fight and they're
ready to run it down the lanes now three dead on Falcons they do not have the
buybacks I think Liquid might have just found the moment there to go all in and
and close this game up.
What a...look at Nisha's damage.
I mean what an insane fight.
He was just pumping it out surviving the whole time.
Brigalia was picked up from Skeeter to try to commit,
and he's just getting kited.
He actually can't focus them.
Oh, I think they've done it.
I think they have.
Bristol's gonna kill these buildings super fast.
Maureen?
It's just down to him and Crip.
Can they do anything to stop this bridge from the floor
at the Maureen's core?
To be able to heal up?
We'll use the fortification, but there's Maureen gone.
He's got buyback available, but again, it's only just him and crit. There are other three still with their buybacks on cooldown for over a minute
At the tier four's fall
Liquid kept the catch on to crit
That's gonna be GG. It's over. It's called liquid will take the game
Fantastic fights coming out throughout that one from both sides, but liquid they come out on top at the end of it all
Those final most important calls being made successfully by liquid
Honestly, execution at top notch. Yes, there was some mistakes, sure, there was some stuff going on in the game, but a Wyvern busted out, you know, a hero that could be very, very difficult to make work, and my goodness, Tofu absolutely executed.
Yes, we can talk about how great the cores were, but we get to see these heroes all the time. I wanted to highlight the Wyvern saves, honestly. That was pretty crazy in a 60-minute game that he's able to do stuff like that.
Falcons fought hard in this game to come back in this with a Liquid just a bit stronger.
Yeah, they did excellent moves. That's close that one up team liquid take the win
Well, well well
Quinn Callahan you did not have faith in liquid and I told you the one thing they love to do is prove people wrong and buy my
Goodness did they do that they played finale this game? What a what a bizarre wild game true
I had no idea who was gonna win at any point
Yeah, and I think that's such a rarity and why this game was so fun to watch is because it was really hard to tell
I think there were a lot of amazing plays from both sides and it was it was really was a roller coaster of a game
Not for sure. You weren't really too sure about this carry carry Bristol back
What exactly it was going to bring to it?
Of course a wyvern coming out something incredibly niche that people don't like to bring out at any points
But we saw great positioning from tofu just all round for no little poor him there
So anything on the side of liquid that you really regret kind of dishing that juju out onto I think of anything
I underestimated the power of the Lash and also the fact that is a niece and Nisha Lash
We talked about mid one Lash ad nauseam, but I think Nisha is another player that is on that S tier
No, you can't say that
Who the heck the other person was wasn't because he didn't want a tournament
He just won a gazillion tournaments and he's won TI if anyone has the credentials to be an STL after this guy
I fully agree this guy's lesson was amazing. So what was it 20k damage at the in this last fight here?
Yeah, something I think it was it was at least 20k
He went for a really interesting item or skill a talent tree
He went for the pulse no the damage and then the lightning striking off the pulse no the so instead of the edict one
that people normally take and just staying alive a bloodstone and item.
People don't go for very often where you can purge,
they amplify damage another way until he gets to 25.
So an unorthodox build, it was very catered to this game.
Nisha, I think someone who is very, very good at that, reading the situation,
going for that earlier she-vus, going for this kaiyasha instead of the saunge,
just a lot of individual specific item decisions that I think all of them
were the correct ones.
He kept making the right decision throughout the game,
and I think he made a huge difference.
No, it really did. And it's also quite funny to hear like an unorthodox build for Lesh being bloodstone, where that was like the bread and butter fame for so long.
How times have changed for Dota here, but not so much has changed for Liquid, because in both of their best of ones today, it's gone past 60 minutes.
And I don't really know if that's a good sign or a bad sign. And I think you can take both good and bad from it.
Yeah, I think it's good practice. I think the more late games you play earlier than year is better, because as the year goes longer,
games tend to last longer and so having practice when you get to those EWC and TI is that these
long games is a really big deal and so I think it's probably a good thing for them in the long
run but I do think it's a sign of like yo there's something wrong with our early and mid game if
every game is going this long like we're messing something up right any game that goes this long
there's a lot of mistakes and they're really fun to watch but for the teams there there's there's a
drawing board that needs to be going back to for sure. No it was a beautiful game of Dirty to
to get to watch a lot of fun between Falcons and Liquid, the way that they could execute
as a team fight, right? As a whole conglomerate. But also when it comes to individual play
and something that we wanted to give a shout out to was of course, Snae's ringmaster. You
coined it. You were like, Crit is one of the best ringmasters you thought that he was going
to be playing on the side of Falcons, but Snae King steps up and he says, I've got a
little bit of juice in the tank too. Yeah, a Mantidodge, prices all of his items perfectly.
Let me close the mantel, no it's not a mantel.
Eh, it's closing off.
It really is.
Yeah, I just, I don't know, honestly this is super clutch.
At this point, I think it was looking pretty great for Falcons.
And this turnaround, they get a couple of kills here, they get a kill on the left, it matters
a lot, and they eventually run ace down.
Things like this, these little outplays, I think if this doesn't happen, this game
is maybe 30 minutes short, this is a really big turning point.
And just a, yeah, just a cool play by him to shout out.
And I think there were so many individual plays from the Falcon side, I think Malloryn
in particular with the vessel early on buying the Shiva's earlier on, he deviated quite
a bit vessel on tanking, that's something we almost never see if ever at all.
I don't remember the last time I've ever seen it.
So I think him and Nisha and just the whole of the players were really in the zone.
I think specifically around items this game and making specific purchase for the game.
that was it. No more. Yeah.
Okay. I thought you were going to
maybe outline the specific ones
because you broke down the
Leshrac so much, right? You
loved the way that he went, but
Sheevers has been hot and cold.
Is that a good way to coin it
here where there are people who
are picking it up, rushing it,
almost making it their first
item and you're like, that is
the best Sheevers pick up we've
gotten to see. Loved it, really
detrimental for the turning
points of this game. Other
times people have just bought
it because they felt like it's
a good item and on the side of
both of these teams picking up
teams picking up Sheeva's as well as AC's. Yeah, I think these items as games
progress become incredibly important. They reached a window where Liquid had
both, Falcons had neither, and they just cannot fight because there's just too
much armor across the board, and Falcons have quite a few right-clickers. Then
suddenly the AC and Sheeva's number gets evened out, both teams have both of them,
and then I think you see the point where the fights become so even, and it
becomes all about this execution. Because so much about late-game team fights
the game. So the game is
important. So the game is
important. The game is
important. The game is
invincible when there are
heroes that are invincible and
can do whatever they want.
Then the fights are just a
joke. It's impossible to
play. But when that's even
out and everyone can get
burst and everyone can die
instantly. That's when you
get these really exciting
games. And so I think
balancing that out and
making sure you get these
key important items is
mandatory as games go
longer and longer. Yeah,
we mentioned it, but now
we're really going to take a
look at it. Just how clean
some of the execution was,
And that's for the side of both Falcons and Liquid.
It felt any misstep from even just one individual.
And that was it.
Teamfight was over.
That was the immediate offer hand to your opponent.
Yeah, and I think these fights are also fascinating
because it's almost two bifurcated fights.
And that Sanking is going and attacking the supports.
To what?
Bifurcated.
Meets to split in two.
OK.
You can see the heart monitor graph here.
There's this crap going all over the place.
But Sanking is in his own battle with the supports.
is his job to attack this winner, Wifer,
and so Tofu and Malorin are having this sort of
anime showdown for the entire game.
Who's gonna show first if he can be able to catch him?
Malorin is blinking after Tofu's blinking away,
and there's, I don't know, there's this very,
I think it's awesome in Dota when there's this one hero
that's super important and only one hero can deal with him.
And so you get this showdown of them trying to fight each other
while the rest of the game plays out in its own little bubble.
I think, you know, the cast has mentioned it,
but Tofu did an incredible job of staying in the shadows,
and Malorin I think was the shining star for his team
the one who was keeping him in the game for the most part.
Yes, Ben had a really rough lane for himself,
and he just needed to kind of AFK for a little bit,
and that's where Malvreen really stood up.
He was the one that was like, OK,
I'm going to try and put that pressure on Liquid 2 here
and show that they're not just getting free roam.
I'm a little bit of a question mark about him right now.
I think there were so many misplays from him,
and this isn't me berating him by any means.
It's just we have such high expectations for him
that when I see him die three, four times in the span of about,
I was like 12 minutes by blinking in.
I do quit, like what is going on?
Why are you making these moves
when we've never really seen that?
No, I totally agree.
There were a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes.
A lot of dying at the start of teamfights,
just misjudging, I think how tanky he is,
where he just sort of runs in
and they just drop all those balls.
So many dives 100 to zero
and they lose the teamfight after because of it,
which are rare Amar mistakes.
And I think when stuff like that is happening,
oftentimes it's a symptom of a bigger team-wide problem
that an individual is like messing up
and making dumb mistakes.
I think is no, you should blame him. No, I mean, I mean, it is definitely partially his fault.
But I also think that it bleeds down from team white issues, right?
You can see the Falcons is clearly not in the zone fully.
They're not at peak form. And I think those team white issues, they affect individual players,
gameplay and vice versa. Right.
So I think at the end of the day, you've got to lock in and focus on yourself and your
gameplay and let, you know, your goat coach and genius, you know, you fix,
fix some of these gameplay issues that are on a grander scale.
you got to focus on you. I think that is similar advice that can be given to one, maybe even both
of our next teams that we're going to see. I'm going to say predominantly that advice might
bring truth to mouths because right now they're sitting one and four for themselves in Blast
Land and they're coming up against Navi who so so far in past Blast. That's a really hard sentence
to say. I'm not even going to try. Yeah please don't. They've been inconsistent this time around.
They're three and two. It feels like a day one was looking good for them and they're having that
consistency on the day number two.
Yeah, Maus is a team that they're just,
they're almost inconsistent by nature
because I think they're so patch dependent.
I think they're a team that only plays one style.
We've mentioned it for the prior series,
and I think it remains true that they play this aggressive style.
They play double melee, off lanes,
Celery plays a very specific type of hero,
and so does Crystalus,
and so you know what's coming a lot of the time.
And if their strategies are very strong,
then they become a force to be reckoned with.
But if due to patch or due to, I don't know, feeling in the wind, if their strategies are not super good at that time.
It's not easterly for me.
Alright, if their mud and dirt is not good enough, then I think they become a team that is very easy to deal with.
That was pretty much shown this morning when they came up against Tundra, right?
Yeah, they were able to get that mid pickoff on BZM, and you're like, okay, but this is now Maus playing through the mid.
We've seen this before.
Now it's just really lush that we have to deal with.
But let's talk about Navi a little bit more
because what their inconsistencies come from
also kind of lingers towards the draft too.
And it's because their mid laner
loves to have niche picks for himself.
We've seen him in the past pick up dazzle mid.
We've even seen it already.
Io myth is torn it.
Yeah, he is definitely more than a bit of a hipster.
He is a full fledged, crazy mode hipster.
He'll play whatever he wants.
And I think Zayac also is a bit of a hipster.
So they've got, when you have two hipsters on a team,
I think normally you sort of keep it to one,
because as you extend that number,
the drafts can just become incredibly inconsistent.
Whereas if you have four reliable factors
and then one guy that floats around and does nonsense,
that can work.
Whereas I think this team, they've kind of got two.
And I think that's where a lot of that comes from is
they've got two horses pulling this way.
And the three of them are sort of holding here,
trying to keep them together.
And that's a difficult formation to maintain.
And that's just algebra, am I right?
Amen.
Well look, we won't be doing any more algebra on broadcast, I promise that, but we will
be talking about something that we love so dearly, and that's a draft.
Well I was hoping to get to see Lago a little bit more whilst the sample size is I'd say
large enough already.
It is always fun to see just how teams like to position him and well for Maus they played
him in off lane earlier today to no success and it's now a first phase ban for themselves
even though they have first pick.
So they're taking out Lago, Shadow Demon, Triant Protector and Na'Vi are taking out
Chen, Husker, SF and Razor.
We talked about maybe picks that are coming out or bands here clan
Did you like the logo as a support because now you deeply watch both an offline game and a support game in one day?
It was okay, but I think for Largo was weird
I expected it more to be five and I felt like the hero functions better as a five
So I was a bit surprised that they played it for instead
And if I'm honest, I think it was somewhat underwhelming on four as well, but it did look better than offline
I think getting those auras early that grieves the solar he he had very good impact in the team fights
He's just skirmishing and it's fighting early on is very very weak as you see from both core and support roles
So and no no frogs this game just flying snakes
And how do you feel about the flying snake is that is another hero that
Lexus creep its way into first phase ban a lot of the time. Yeah, that hero is really really powerful right now
He's just you can't really beat him in lane with anything and he is
really good against a lot of specific cores. He has multiple builds he can go
and I think any hero that can't be beaten in lane becomes a very powerful
force. And now he instantly responds with a puck which I respect a lot as there
are only a couple of responses that even draw against Viper. A lot of heroes
especially the melee ones are practically unpickable. You get stomped and
puck is a hero that can draw against Viper. So drawing against him is great.
You've already got a good response there. This mid lane you're probably just
you know, it's like, you know,
you're not going to be able to
do that. You're not going to
be able to do that. You're
just leaving it alone. Puck is
not going to pressure Viper
by for pressure Puck a little
bit early, but you don't have
any kill for it. So Puck can
chill and do his thing. I think
this lane has sort of been
neutralized already. And now
you're looking at, okay, where
are pressure points elsewhere?
How are we attacking and
creating opportunities on
other lanes? They're all very
good questions. I also was
just looking at how Viper has
been performing because we've
face four wins and two losses okay with a whole lot of bands 31 25 31 25 bands 31
pick a band pick a band pick a band pick a band I uh I think it's bad for a good
reason the heroes incredibly obnoxious to play against and heroes that reduce
your hero pool in a specific lane or in general down to a really small number it
It means you end up in these very like pipeline drafts.
And if you have responses you know to those things,
it can be a very scary prospect to go into.
It's like going into a very known line in chess.
If the other guys have studied the line very well,
then it becomes a bit of a spooky prospect.
You on?
Chess is part of the on chess.
Don't yuck my yum.
I'm yucking your yum.
It's the only yum I want to know about his toilet.
All right, only one yum in this household.
that's the other two in my right chat.
They said something.
I just want to say something about that.
Well, Ben's flooding in here,
following up there.
Razor Ben is a dragon knight for the side of Navi.
Well, I'll say a bat rider and a broom master.
So kind of focusing more on the off-lane now
for the side of Maus.
Yeah, that is, I mean,
there's just DC heroes who are just first-phase bands
so often, I think, just due to their,
their skirmishing and fighting prowess.
Um, and I think Navi is a team that likes to battle quite a bit early on.
They're also a team that has a lot of comebacks.
And so I think team fight and heroes that scale well and do well in the later
fights are really important for them because the early game is so inconsistent
because they have that hipster element that I think that ability to scale and
not need to execute the early game super well is really important for them.
Do you want to try and take stab in the back of what Navi's pick is going to be
this game?
so I don't know like mix assassin or something okay that's a pretty good guess
I think actually I think it would be horrible but I think it's a horrible
pick but I think it's a good guess they can both be the same when you talk about
Navi that's right there's no mutual exclusivity here I don't like this
disruptor I think it has too much overlap and puck puck wants some boom some
damage to go into that foil and disruptor is similar he's got glimpse and he
He wants damage to help his glimpse.
These two heroes, it's a whole lot of control.
And Puck as a hero needs very specific things with him,
sort of in the way AA does from his course.
Puck needs it from his supports.
Stuff like Tusk and, I don't know, Jikiro,
these heroes that have a lot of follow-up,
both of the supports of Miles, I didn't even notice.
Those heroes are great with Puck
because you get the follow-up damage.
Disruptor, the inverse, not a big fan of this big.
Do you remember?
It was a couple of patches ago, I want to say,
and it never really worked out in competitive,
But a lot of people had the belief that a pose for Puck would counter to Kira.
Yeah, we did that.
I know, I know, I just wanted to see if you'd remember.
Yeah, it was okay at the time.
It didn't really work too well in competitive hide, maybe one or two wins.
Yeah, it's fine.
I mean, Puck as a sport hero has a lot of problems.
That's true.
And by the way, that doesn't mean saying this is going to happen.
It's just if it hips the team like now, he wants to reach deep in the bag.
That could be it.
I think if Niku wasn't Omega Puck Spammer then that might might be the case
Okay, he is like if there were more levels past 30 you'd be like level 47 puck. That's crazy that we can count plus 30
I'm really proud of you. Thank you
Well, I was talking like grandmaster. Okay, total pass
Watch this 52. Oh, oh keep going 63 give me more 82
Okay, let's talk about the wind ranger and hoodwink. Yeah, it's I mean
And Hoodmaid does not strike me really as a Zayac hero, but I do like Windranger carry
against Viper, against Tusk, J'Kiro, it's a lot of on hit effects and you've got Windrun,
so it makes a lot of sense there and it's also a hero that is probably quite oppressive
in lane.
Disruptor, Windranger, that's a lot of clicking, a lot of harass, and Miles, they're picking
Mars, but this is definitely a lane that Mars has the potential to lose.
It's double melee against double range, so there's going to be a lot of harassment coming
in.
Um, so boom has got his work cut out for him in terms of surviving the lane, but it is great team fight and it helps his viper a lot.
Feeding people in clothes so Viper can continue to spit spit spit, um, which he needs to do.
And you've also got cool item build deviations you can do against pucks.
You can set up going for the blink first.
You can go for a yule, which gives you that guaranteed setup and forces puck to buy things like Lincoln's and, you know, alter his item build a little bit.
That is what Maus will also like to do though, is kind of sacked the boom lane a little bit.
Yeah, he really does struggle.
but at the end of the day,
Mars spells are always gonna be impactful
as long as you land them,
and that's something you can't count on with Boom.
He is very good at his spell casting.
So Mars really fits into that archetype.
We glossed over the Wind Ranger a little bit too much
for my liking.
Is there a clear cut facet?
You wanna be picking for Kari
because we talked about the kill shot
being pretty impactful,
but also the shackle one is actually
what I personally have been seeing a little bit more.
Yeah, I think the shackle one is much better, I agree.
So it is clear cut.
I, okay, the weird part is Yatoro takes Kill Shot,
but I kind of, I don't know why, really.
Damn sad.
I just don't think it's that good.
Like if you want to max Power Shot, that's fine,
but I think you should still take Tangled, almost.
Like Kill Shot is just not, is not amazing.
And I think everybody else takes Tangled.
Yatoro is kind of just hipster on this front for some reason.
And I think God the Juicer takes Shackled,
the Shackled one Tangled, and I think it is better.
It gives you more of that consistent damage
and just a power shot is just such an inconsistent ability.
If you miss, okay, now you wasted four skill points
and it's very easy to miss the spell.
Yeah, it also feels bad when you've actively picked this facet.
Yeah, you're like-
You're like fully yourself and then you miss it
like a little too many times and you're like, ooh.
You think you're all cool,
cool guys don't look at explosions
and then you just miss your powers,
and you're like, yeah, sorry guys,
don't look at my skill bill.
Which this, I'm gonna hit it blind.
It's just like he's already TP'd out.
That is very very winter decoded. Yeah, a little too relatable. You're
Maybe the most famous hero for missing spells in all of the history. Well, you haven't seen me play dead of them
We'll see what else is taken out from the knobby because they believe that it is a mid lane a mid one mid lane here
That could be up for grabs. I suppose that is possible that the crystal is
Would play the Viper carry couldn't six Viper jikiro what a nightmare fuel lane
Um, so...
Tell me about your nightmares.
It's that.
Goodness sakes.
Two dudes spitting on you.
Well, three, I guess.
Well, yeah, then you get into questions of,
I don't know, consciousness and crap,
which I'm not gonna do.
Which one to?
Just two flying birds spitting on you in the lane.
That's right.
What more can I say?
Some people pay extra for that.
I'm not gay.
I also think the Lesh brand is sort of just,
you see mid-1, you bet, Lesh rack.
It's a simple equation and I think it's very reasonable. It's also a hero that's pretty good against puck. It's good with tusk
It's good with Mars
If they would have a very tanky lineup a very mouse lineup and it gives you some more that tower pressure that we know mouse loves to have
It's not going into the stretch. Navi
You're just looking at at some offline pick, but you've got the last pick counter pick mouse
They've got to show their flex. Where is this Viper going? Is he going to the safe lane or is he going mid?
If he goes mid, then I think Navi is pretty chill with that.
You've got Puck in a relatively decent Puck game who will have a chill lane against him
and you can deal with that.
Monkey King!
In some ways, this is actually like a permaflex in that you can decide, Navi will pick something
and you can then decide who goes mid and who goes carry.
You can still swap the Viper Monkey, that was a really good pick.
Yeah, you can.
At the same time, I think mid-monkey, you've got to be really in the zone, and while mid-one historically is an amazing monkey king player,
I haven't seen him play at that much recently in officials, and if you mess up this lane even a little bit, mid-monkey can become a gigantic burden,
so I think it's much more likely to be safe lane monkey and mid-viper, but we'll see what they pick here. Maybe that deviates.
Sorry, I bring a sorghum distracted by mid-one, mid-lane, mid-monkey.
Yeah, I said M so many times.
Like I got lost in the sauce lose yourself
Well a couple seconds left before Navi will answer those questions
Okay, so we saw
Tundra band this last phase for the other offline Phoenix so clearly that was not just a random pull from the hat
It was a scrim thing I would assume
Phoenix is by far the best core against monkey King if you lane match against him
You just cannot fight this hero at any point in the early game. It is miserable
And so now you see they didn't pick for a while and they are gonna put the monkey king mid because this lane this matchup
It's just an atrocity
So now you've got Viper against Phoenix that is a lane that I have never seen before
I don't know how it's gonna go
Genuinely, but you've got monkey king against puck made which is a lane. I know much much better
It's a lane that Muki King can win, but it is very much down to skill, and Niku is also
very experienced in this lane.
If you lose the lane on Muki King or you draw the lane, which is the more likely outcome,
then the skirmishing can become really rough because you can't gank the Phoenix lane, and
the other lane is a Wind Ranger, who you can't really gank either with Wind Run.
So your ganking options are rough, so him doing well in lane is really important for
his individual game.
That feels like a lot of pressure on the side of mid-1.
He's lived up to that.
many times before, so definitely not going to underestimate it at all, but it does leave
mass with that Carrie Viper. Chrysalis loves the hero, but how exactly is it going to survive in
that safe lane? And on the side of Navi, yeah, an unconventional Phoenix pick up from our point of
view, but clearly a lot of information behind the scenes that we don't yet know about. Excited to
see just exactly how Carrie Windranger is going to shape up in this one too. As Navi approaching
at the top of the group
standings. Can they keep it
for a lot of action in the lanes right there's some pretty deadly stuff coming
out from both sides yeah I mouse is a very it's very standard mouse right they
are going for their usual tempo looking to win trying to dominate the early game
and try to set that tempo Navi maybe slightly different than what I usually
feel like from now I still from Navi with this Phoenix pick but I think PMA has
been broadening the horizon secure because I've now seen them playing a lot
more back riders in units is in this offline so interested to see how it's
gonna work with this because now they did force that swap right they picked this
Phoenix yes and not laying on the worst it's absolutely unplayable so
crystals is gonna be there and then the monkey king versus puck we'll see we'll
see how they can do on on this one for mouse I think Navi's looked incredibly
impressive whenever they have to slow pace of games down and that's the kind of
the name of the game versus mouse if you can slow than it if you can slow the
pace of the game down it's been probably the best strategy versus them so
not because have a lineup that can slow things down good ways to fight they're
They're lacking a frontliner and an initiator a bit here in the game, but we'll see who's
going to act as that one if it is going to be the Phoenix or just the puck put in the
body out there.
That's true, whilst I guess on the other side, obviously, Maas, they pretty much have four
heroes that don't mind going in on the front right, Viper, Tusc, Maas, Monkey King, whatever
sort of formation they're in, if one of them is at the front, they're happy.
Yeah, they have, I'll give them the thing where they have two saves, I'll call it,
because Monkey King has his own form of save
with the changing the guard, right?
So they have two ways to kind of bail themselves out
with either snowball or that versus some of the aggression.
Let's see what we can get.
I'm really much looking forward to this game.
I've been a Navi fan for so long now for the years,
this team.
So watching them just get better and better is super fun.
I'm ready.
You're fine.
The battle begins.
I just want to let them find the chance to set up for the...
Let's take a walk over here.
Are we going to have a tri-lane versus tri-lane?
Can you imagine?
I mean, it could keep it like that.
I think Viper versus Phoenix, you know, they're both chill solo.
If they wanted to.
I mean, we won't get it. Unfortunately, it would be hype,
because I've literally... I haven't seen a tri-lane versus tri-lane in so long.
It just doesn't happen anymore, of course,
because the distribution's not worth it.
Another Slytherin here.
That's down there to this bottom lane.
So how else is Piafnay going to be able to do
as has this Phoenix against these two?
I'm not exactly sure.
I was similar to Quinn where I'm not too sure.
I feel like the Viper and the J'Kiro
should be pretty OK down here, right?
But you just need to buy extra regen to sustain.
Anytime Piafnay walks up without the fire spirit,
she's going to take a, like, a crap ton of damage, right?
So I do think they're set up for success with this
This approach here for miles in terms of the lane. We'll just see if they can execute the
You know the mid lane in particular if mid one's gonna be able to have that advantage risk of the puck
Christian group to do
Down it as arts is gonna have to be very careful
Against these two they're gonna have a lot of damage to let me punish the squishy. Hope we
Yeah, I just I don't really see them being able to get aggressive with the hoodwink and the phoenix by any means and I just
Check here on my first like the strongest duo
It's so so hard to punish them so I should do some creep pulling it looks like here
On top lane, I mean is there gonna be chance for
You know, any sort of slowdown for the windranger or is it a pretty safe lane for gothers use?
It's pretty damn safe.
Hard for Mars and Tusk to provide the damage to get this windranger unless the juice is
just super out of position.
It shouldn't happen.
Riddies, maybe, but still also similar because they should be able to harass and pull constantly.
It's just going to be about lane positioning as we are seeing already those lane mechanics
I mean, is there going to be much that Zax can really do down here playing in C2?
I don't think so.
Or are we going to see him kill Rage and put him down the map?
Yeah.
Okay, so just hit the waves.
Yep.
If you can catch a wave or kill a courier, it's great.
They are diving very far.
If they get TPs, you know, this is when those scenarios do happen where you can't put fully
a little bit.
I mean, yeah, that's that's how confident and strong these two fill in this matchup crystals and cellar.
He just chill in between the towers.
Giants doing a fantastic job, though.
He's doing exactly what you need to do when your off-laner gets his own.
You got to make sure you don't let him miss those creeps.
Pull the creep into him so he gets a speed.
Nicely done.
So far in the mid-matchup, Niku been very solidly 15-3 against the 8-3 of mid-1.
Very comfortable in this matchup. LeCuner saying Niku loves puck. Absolutely. He hopes they puck every game. He does not care
Oh, yeah, and I bet he's out of say a few people play monkey king against the one who's the plan
Very very familiar matchup for Niku
And I wonder how much middle of this play the monkey king was supposed to do right even though
It is one of his more played heroes. I thought you just play Lashin
I'm taking a fair bit of damage as well here from Niko.
Everyone should be fine, because time goes to go, has a wand as well.
If Dyatt is able to get boots at a decent timing, maybe you could see that rotation
that you were mentioning come in pretty early.
That'd be strong.
He could look, he could just swing over and just snipe mid one.
It could be a possibility because of lane position, we'll see.
plus one a man for being an easy kill for Niko
but he's almost getting it out of himself
of course the one charges the mid one has that he's toying with
but Niko is, he's playing this beautifully
second one
am I gonna get the kill there with the plus one?
Riddies
comes in to join forces for PMA and XIATS
and take chrysalis down so that's I'm they're not gonna kill me too with the
third if they do have the lane positioning they were able to keep it
there and all right now they do have that damage so that's a really that's
actually a really clever play
never like to die on viper especially now when you're giving this type of lane
back up towards the top yeah there's nothing they can do to juice to punish
right so when Riddies does look like he doesn't want to go for that he can be
can he most definitely can look for these type of rotation
I am it's just the a little bit of a current start best
be careful behind the tower there's a little mana so let's get that clarity
on the mid, I was getting close to that point but it was going to have to be very careful
once the six is hit on Miku. Any sort of TP backed up and they'll be able to go straight
for a kill with a dream coil. Especially late positioning like mid one, especially once
that six kicks off, have to be careful how far he steps up on the hill but here it does
Just get a really nice connection if you're boundless.
We'll force Miku back to base.
And now PMA is...
PMA's level 5, bottom, has tranquil boots, has the...
Like he's got everything he wants down here already in this laning phase
versus that Viper's Zikiro, and they got a kill, so that was...
Yeah, super impressive. And now, Celery.
Okay, I can't jump to him.
PMA ready to bring in the damage.
It's gonna be Celery.
Ooh, trying to heal up!
Once survived, Riddie's there again with a thunder strike, finishes off the job.
Don't think that kill means you last hit.
Really, I mean, yeah, really impressive stuff in this bottom lane in particular.
The Mars continues to struggle top, boom, for the side of Maus, while PMA on this Phoenix.
It looks like he was just playing the lane normally, right? 2,300 net worth.
Really felt so good.
back up will stick in deep to a chance to jump away and now with the TPs coming in and they're trying to use the snobby to get mid one to safety, but weren't learning survive this surely you'll get the Fuegos command off.
Doesn't matter though the burst comes in from Nika that's mid one gone, Yamich takes out as well to the damage from PMA. I mean you can see I was eating a mouse they wanted to go for that.
They had to send him to fight damage ruin on mid one, all but been used, even with sort of Yamich getting that shards in play it's a risky move and one that TPs from Na'Vi are able to punish.
I love the PMA does this too. He has a good start to the game. He's level five already and he's like, okay
I can just move I don't have a good positioning of the lane at the moment
So just goes mid and he's as we said best hero versus monkey king on the game. He's watching the standing there can't attack
I'll be in the dirty game really really good start
Limps on boom but
He's actually ready to try and turn and just get the kill himself every time with the spare on the Ritties
As a Ritties definitely gonna regret that glimpse
And I think there's like a poke it wasn't even like a kill attempt glimpse right it was like I'm gonna poke you with this
Climson, oh god wait a minute
Still though I these the lanes the result of these lanes is absolutely massive, right?
They forced the they forced the lane swap and the monkey king is 700 800 behind the park and the Phoenix is doing fantastic anyway
Even though he was first step like where he has the six already
Now much in salary we're ready to move over again if the eight minute power route
They've got the word behind the tower too. So really looking emphasizing. I mean how about mid one really?
Okay, they have to be careful how far they want to go for the play though, they don't
really want to dive on towers at all on the side of Maus early now that the coil plus the
egg is online.
They do have the arena so if they can find it in a proper position, perhaps, but fighting
under these towers and the coil and egg can be pretty brutal as well.
This is going to go for T3 after Glimpses there, Riddies.
He's always where they need him to be here.
This disruptor up and down the map.
And just being that extra little bit every single time,
is allowing Na'Vi to get these kills.
Riddies is just in his macro movements.
The other day when he was playing the clockwork,
remember how many stopped TPs too?
I swear that guy is just in the right place at the right time.
That was really nice.
Our PMA is going to be pretty out of control if those feel like this game could snowball pretty fast, you know mouse this is not the way they like to play, they don't like playing from behind, they like seeing a team that's in the head.
Look at the setup in Na'Vi, look at this you got four heroes playing up towards the tier two, they will drop the dreamclaw a little unnecessarily there.
I wanted to be sure of fire with the kill. It was not necessarily the end of it, but
the kills kill, they get the kill, they keep the pressure now on to the mid tier one, and
I'll be playing very fast. You know, there's not a lot of teams here that you'll see in
this sort of position, nine minutes into a game going for these sort of plays.
Kind of that versus Maus, either. Like, Maus tends to be the team that's at a big dating
pace, right? Especially first ten minutes, especially with this type of draft where they
wanted to get these matchups, but Niku, of course, set that matchup in mid, how he's
done, how well he did, and then bottom, really making that big difference.
BMA is gonna have Vessel at a pretty damn good time, and any game is a good Vessel game as Phoenix.
Completely destroys the Monkey King, at least until he has that BKB or Mantra online.
That's gonna be the rush here for mid one, he's gonna go straight for the Mantra as soon as he can.
And that usually takes like 10 minutes to even get, especially if you're playing versus that fast paced Vessel.
You can take quite some time.
He'll have it done. Let's see how Maus wants to look them out going for any of these tower pushes.
In the mid.
If the Snowborns are ready, Boundless Track and Winkling Simone lay down onto Bort in the Take Ready Zow.
And Wink won't get out of this one, he's caught by the Dreamcoyle, died for from PMA, the Symponov is at the ready, there's no chance of touching the egg here.
As Wink won, he'll try and run, but he will not get out of this, Boom will use the arena, they'll drop the Magpire as well.
Everything Opses Eyes said he'd kill this Hope and they'll get him, but they had to get up to the tower for this one, so you have it.
He's going to end up going down in return.
So you can't have a feeling that these sort of spells
being used by Maus, they're very much desperate
to try and stop Na'Vi from winning these skirmishes.
They get a little bit of something in return,
but it's definitely looking a bit more messy
from Maus in this early game,
as opposed to what Na'Vi's achieving.
Yeah, Na'Vi just very good.
Honestly, they're spellcasting.
That's something that I've been always so impressed
with this team.
Even when they were a younger team,
they had only been together for a short while.
They're spellcasting in team fights and prioritizing
target is so nice like right there they paint the monkey instantly there's no
has net Nico's it I'm coiling this guy and you're egging him that is our
priority we don't care about these other two on the left side we kill the
monkey king and we're happy in exactly what happened keeping themselves at this
two to three K advantage at the moment
celery is level seven so he does have very good levels in terms of being able
to constantly pressure these towers on the jikiro the tusk is suffering because
Oh my goodness.
You've got PMA killing off Celery.
And Juice lives just like barely, and perhaps some of these level things, right?
She's only level four so the damage that he can provide is pretty lackluster. I thought
this was gonna connect. It didn't even connect but he ends up living anyway because the backup of the team and I think a
Lotus from Riddies gets thrown on to him.
It's gonna be such a tough game for mid one to play right at this point. He's fallen behind on the monkey game.
You know, he's got as I said, you know, going for this man to rush,
you know, you're not gonna have sort of any item on the horizon that's gonna boost to sort of farming or
or aggressive potential is he's having to go for the safe build but a safe build that it's gonna take a long time to come online
It's not like master will just protect you in everything right like you're still gonna get caught inside of a coil
You're not even sure you just have a little place with something
But it won't really protect you versus this insane magic that is that everybody does insane magic damage on army
They're all they are a very early game based draft as well
And they scale to bottom
I'm the man, Niku, the haste range.
Doesn't want to quite drop the dream call yet, but get the glimpse back now, drop the
dream call.
This one is watching from the tree line.
We'll get him with that final bit of burst, take Celery down.
We're going to try and step forward on towards Niku, but no, it's cannot slow him down whilst
the haste range persists.
Now, if we get themselves another kill, another tower, now to a 5k lead, just 13 minutes in
against mouse it's absurdly early and you're playing versus a viper monkey king
drafts
another guy on the bush what they might even need the static so they don't
glimpse alone on top of it's enough they're getting these kills without having
to use the alts on the supports for that's I mean super impressive I have to
just like it really is unique who are just out of control right now so I have
to sure his movement comes in but these two are dictating case completely
something about some of these players today now in this bottom leg the
I found Yamich. He's gonna try and rob at the bottom of the summer and the vessel is gonna bring him down and make a kill streak from PMA.
Mouse, they're getting crushed in this early game.
A PMA is gonna have a Sheeva's before the Monkey King. Has been done.
Honestly, the PMA is top net worth as a soft-played Phoenix. He's got the Veil done. That Sheeva's is gonna come very, very fast.
This game could be decided pretty quickly. It's not a wrap.
This is getting in some desert territory and
You got to think back as well to sort of scenario that he they were able to find that pick with the Phoenix and find that set up from to have a
Good time because okay arena
That's not gonna catch anyone all was out and he goes away and that's gonna be a tip
He can't help himself
You have to sit about 100 seconds that big now can't do anything on mouse pretty much
and I see a monkey king again. Oh, and so does Riddies and PMA. They put their eyes on
me when I'll get the bruckles. Come on now. It doesn't matter. Static storms down. Burns
underneath his own tier two tower. These guys. Oh my goodness. They're on fire. Absolutely
on fire in this tournament here. Looking to solidify that spot for themselves, right?
I think this is, they've only had one loss and that was the first game of the tournament
if I'm not mistaken. I mean, they also, they're just like, just kidding. So, I mean, they're
They're still looking pretty damn solid.
This game is the pace that they're setting.
It's super obsessive.
And just the fact when the draft, right,
they sort of forced Maus to make this switch up,
you know, dodge them and get away from the Phoenix.
But it looks like just in terms of the way that Maus can play,
it's just not worked out.
That switch up, they've got months for it.
And this one is just having no game whatsoever.
I mean, he's a few bad fights away
from being underneath the supports of Narvi
in terms of firing.
It's just 15 minutes in.
It's just 15 minutes in.
Like this Viper, a hero that you want to be rallied around and playing around for him in his early game.
He's died twice early and there's no way for him to join in this.
He's a super immobile hero, can't join his allies, and he's just been watched. There's vision.
And I'll be one, two, three, maybe four steps ahead at least in terms of what they've been able to do this game.
And Juice is just chilling. He's playing a super strong carry hero currently in the patch too.
Yeah, he's on his dub.
That he's just getting to sit back with.
So, off.
can they make a play happen here level 12 in Ranger
did you see them?
they did use them
I told them they need to shackle their arm towards Rift 1
I mean but the juice just turns
oh my god
they're gonna kill off the boat from them
it might be over
oh this is the roughest one
This is the roughest game you've seen over these two days.
This is...
We have...
You didn't have a 15-minute game the other day, I believe, from one of the teams.
Wait, wait, but...
We didn't remember that.
Okay, we didn't cast it.
It was gonna sound...
Yeah.
We casted that map and so quick that I didn't remember that one.
Yeah, they know it doesn't get any different.
Oh, and this is...
Chalaki will say, we're such men.
There we go.
That's a dead Chris Phyllis Vipecari.
What are the biggest beatdowns?
I mean, two more kills for Navi, and I think Miles can call it that.
Get that nice 322 scoreboard, and we can get out of here.
That was coming up. I mean, this.
I mean, it is insane.
And just again, to go back to sort of what Navi did in terms of being able to play like this,
Offlane Phoenix in that bottom lane position.
You know, that was against probably the dirtiest lane duo you could have.
And it didn't matter. It was against a Vipecari.
So many heroes are going to get completely destroyed by that, not this setup.
You know, Na'Vi, they had something ready to play against that.
And Maus, they just were not able to assert that dominance that they want to when they get something like a magic cure.
You get the jump on Aridis, but Aridis is still going to get his spells off.
He might even just live through this. He survives. The arena comes to an end.
Aridis is fine. Miporn is dead. Boom is dead as well.
I think they should call it. This is not going to be demoralizing if they continue.
This is absolutely going to feel horrendous if you mouse.
I guess it's a few ones. You continue.
But my god, look at the map coverage too.
Look at the words and sentries. You can't see anything.
You can't get out on the map. You can't place words.
You can't...
Yeah, they really can't do much of anything with the way that Navi is playing
and just dismantling them entirely.
Anyone shows? And there's just that. Renekton's already there.
And Niko's trying to go for the solo place.
Yeah.
He's setting up a Christmas TP before coming.
So it's like this time around, CrystalList, I mean, if he should live, he will for now.
I mean, British is gonna come looking for him.
He's gonna fight him with the kinetic field of the Thunderstrike.
As CrystalList did again, they couldn't save him, even by his own tier 2 tower.
Yeah, this is insane, boys.
I mean, Niku Stylin, for sure.
That's the road, chef.
Wow.
Yeah, little things that they did though.
I think there's definitely, there's some teams that are very good at, you know,
you identify a lane that's playable and you do pulse right this is normal this is kind of standard but I think there's some people that are very good at doing that
and then punishing anyway afterwards with the gritty rotation that you saw that third man that went bottom
Killed the viper. GMA got off to an amazing start. It's all snowballed
So we're gone and pretty much the BKB on got the juice. She was done for GMA before the van was done
Can't hit the egg even if you want to now. That attack speed slow is gonna be tremendous.
So for that, I'm trying to think of how I can put something together for mouse how they want to
bail things out even if they throw all their ulti's together. They're just way too far behind.
Just how early he is just. Farm and hull.
I'll find damage room for Niko as well.
He will kill anybody that he finds.
I'll go down there.
I see you in this tree.
Be careful.
Careful.
I'll find it, there we go. A big kill and boom, he's ready with the tip back. They finally
are able to punish this puck. Can they get more though? Probably not for now. We're gonna
have to sort of settle him far.
Boom got the last hit with the spear burning damage, I guess.
I was like, oh, Christ is going to be so happy to get this big godlike, but it actually goes to the Mars.
11 damage.
Now, everyone, he's got his Manta.
So something to at least give him a chance of surviving if not to get a jump on him.
I just can't believe how big PMA is. Like Shiva's when the Amanda comes out. Your
attack speed is just so lackluster even with Duelist Bloods. BKB and Mjolnir as you said
on Composite. Look at the connect with this team. They are smoking so maybe are you looking
to cash perhaps again? Maybe look for Niku. Listen what other pick off but.
Oh, can they get the jump? They need this on mouse.
They'll be up here on the PMACO, let's try and burn it through him, they'll take him out.
Perfect jump here, can they turn this into more?
Gonna continue with the chase.
Shackles there on towards Fume.
But the juice is bringing in the damage and of course when the BKB is ready to pop in, no luck can touch him.
Chris is trying to stand his ground against Chris Wim, but he's not winning this fight.
gets glimpsed back, they get the punch up,
Snowball actually giving Chrysalis a little bit of safety.
Maybe they can't kill them, they used to bring him down,
but of course he's got the Hs, he's ready for round two.
Niku jumps in with the burst,
takes out Chrysalis, gets the silencing on them all,
damage.
It's not a bad start there, they blow up the Phoenix,
but they can't get away with anything else.
And they end up giving up a triple kill to Niko.
They're trying at least to make these moves.
Static's Tom is actually up in 10 seconds,
so it's kind of perfect if they made that move.
if static was up, they don't even kill the Phoenix there, so
at least they get something, but it's 4 for 1
Niko will take that, all dag, Brahma
finished up
continue to have a kill there
and it's just growing faster and faster, the fight wins, the farm speed, Pusk
somehow the Pusk is ahead of the win
It's all the kills, of course, dude, but yeah.
He's got some good kills.
You said earlier, his Falcon's competing for top spot.
Now it's got the juice for Sneakoo.
We'll see now, Miles.
With the odds, I mean, they probably go for it again, right?
Just smoke up, try and go for an all-in play with the five of them.
I guess, I don't really know how else they can play.
There's just very limited options for them.
Radiant are scanning. Radiant's top tier is under attack.
It's actually coming out here from Navi first.
Two C, the positioning of Niles.
Niles go for D-Ward.
A 5v5 fight will be incredibly difficult for Niles.
Celery is level 14 by the way.
Mid one is level 12. I just want to keep pointing that out.
How much experience do I have?
We're going for the jump on Xyla.
Blow him up.
Can they get out?
The Dreamcull in onto the three of them.
They'll try for the blue coach.
Come on in.
They'll blow up.
Still float down onto the three as well as the Supernova.
They're not getting out alive from this one, Miles.
They'll lose three of them.
Four of them.
A salary gets dragged back.
Again, going all in for a play.
They're going to catch Crystalous.
His TP was still on cooldown so he had nowhere to go.
The tree line, they're going to get the Team White Navi.
That one kill that Miles get, it costs them everything.
They lose everybody.
At least they're I mean at least obviously getting the chance to show off of it nice connection format coil three or four men static
one three or four men egg on top
Here comes the push and I'll be bringing in all those waves
saves, but it looks almost taken out the final tier 2 tower.
And then we'll see that play again there. Beautiful set up and easy connection for the rest of the team to come across.
That's going to pretty much be the story right now for you from now as they're far behind.
They put everything into getting one and support kill.
If they don't immediately get out of that, they will all die.
on the prowl.
Let's go back up.
Call out one of the two of them.
They'll take the damage out.
They'll leave Chrysalis from now.
Psiace has been chased down by mid one.
With the scurry back up, Psiace is finding a match to do.
Turning potentially.
We'll get the pushback onto boom.
I'm trying to jump back in on towards mid one.
I'm trying to jump back in on towards mid one, the man is there, mid one will be fine.
I say that, they're crystal-less, he's gonna be able to get glimpse back.
This time round the catch is not fully there from Reddy, so crystal-less escapes.
Nice 4-step. I was watching Reddy's the whole time, I'm like, who's he gonna pick?
Who's he gonna go for that glimpse? Those end up getting 4-step the way, so crystal-less will see another day.
But this lead, 25k to use the grove.
They're not able to get out, even hit creeps.
The way the navi are supplicating them. They're literally a 90 creeps
Navi's kind of one fight away from having all five hairs in the top five net worth
Yeah, he's very close to that. It's so close
On sort of how much the supports of Navi have as opposed to the cause of mouse
It's just how big of a lead Navi have overall
Radiance middle tower is under attack
nearly got the BKB on boom anything else the closest wars are still a bit of a while away
from mid once I have his BKB Chris is still just trying to get his own man to stay out
finished on top of the hurricane pike they get it flanked here comes Niku here comes
Zayac.
Now with the blink, I think he's going to get him though.
He's got the dream coil and mid-bun, he's just going to stay hidden in the trees.
That's going to be a dead boom.
Supernova pops successfully, gets the stun-ons and the armage, the armage is gone.
Mid-bun's just going to keep hiding in the trees.
I love when the monkey can put the hand down like the forehead.
I'm looking at my teammates die, okay?
I mean it's rough, it now be just this the first 10-15 minutes which is some of the better Dota.
I think from the mouse, it feels like they got hit by something like a truck really.
Super tough.
And yeah, the recovery element just really isn't there.
Not with their draft.
I'm gonna get an agonim's done on Riddies, about a thousand gold off, just that one last piece to pick up.
Yep, I think Celery might actually become the highest level on his team. He's level 15, he's about to surpass the Viper.
I don't have a clue how this is happening for Celery at least, but I guess he was there for the few kills that they've gotten.
It's a good big one.
Hey, what?
He was hanging around.
He'll get out.
Inside of the map, Zayac slipped for the setup. Won't quite get enough damage.
Damage quick with the quelling's led. They're stuck at the glimpse back, but he's gonna come over the arena.
He's caught the reddy's charge for the TPL.
He'll get put to a stop. They killed reddies off. They get Zayac as well.
that's something but they get away with it the call down under the boat for them
got the juice takes our boom it's the best trait they've had so far
I know he's a great trait but you know it is a trade of sorts they've killed
the supports six times out of those eight kills so they'll take what they can get
waiting
He finds a chef, but he might go for this.
He was thinking, I think he was a boss, honestly, but he was being stalked.
They did see him.
He continues to grow.
Niku thought to have his big pick up also, of course, the agonist is very close to being
finished for him, too.
I can take a row, chef.
and mouse continues to be honestly there it's actually that sometimes they say
like 10 20 for it feels like it's like 5% of damage it might go for the yola
play it's going down too quickly this rush is already gone
Oh, it's off.
It's nice.
He's looking bunch of what we're quite getting before the teepees out.
I had an idea where he was though.
A courier. It's flying out.
What the heck is that?
Juice is expecting someone down here, and he might have anticipated properly
And he's straight in
Boom-dop ready see if you hear plus one he can guess the glimpse back on the salary
He's has an
Blink agonist it's 30 minutes in well nika's got his axe as well
Well, they got BKB on Monkey King, but he might not get to use it if he gets static stormed.
He couldn't.
I'll get the catch before.
Miff one watching from the trees, but I'm not going to try and go for this.
Chris is here.
Trump should actually next up to Miff one.
He's going to jump off the trees back to safety.
I'll be bringing them all three lanes up to the high ground.
This mouse, can they push Na'Vi off the bar?
What do they have?
Doesn't feel like a whole lot. They're down 30-14 at work.
Look what a job! They're not gonna get to catch!
can't quite get the angle for the spear pushback like it glipsed. No, he's really lost.
To the mid lane.
Keep it.
He's looking for the pull up to the side, so many score boob.
Supernova here, ready to go.
Mip on, see with the bow shot to the PKB.
I'm gonna try and dodge the stun, but won't be able to do so as Mivvon's caught in the front, trying to hold them back, Christmas will come in with the buyback.
Mivvon's gonna attempt to run away from them, but the damage comes in from Dr.Juice, triple kill for him.
I'll take the ages out of Dr.Juice's hands, because the damage already comes from Navi in that teamfight.
There's just the two of them left here on mouse, trying to slow down the push.
The Navi they're not going anywhere. They'll get the tier 3. They're ready to slide in for more.
Got to use Commit to the BKB. Tries to lift the Crystalist with the Glimmer Staff and Celery.
At least managed to keep Crystalist alive.
And the mid-barrex are gone.
They just have to watch them die.
40,000 gold lead here. 32 minutes in. Getting some pretty ridiculous numbers.
Yeah, you really don't see that ever.
I'm just for the honest, I'm good shot for the attitude, you know.
Even in the best of one.
Yeah, it's not gonna feel good, bruh.
Nah, but probably maybe discussing.
That's usually where you can buy your time, right?
Cause it's a limited time to game.
So maybe just discussing.
Look at it going better.
Hold on wrong.
Maybe they do still feel hopeful, but yeah.
I put it in the message cell.
I'm ready for smite.
With a blink BKB on boom.
Satanic Daedalus on Windranger.
He's six-slotted at 30 minutes.
That looks like a 50-minute inventory of this windranger.
Yeah, you're pretty ridiculous, pal, I'm gonna go for juice.
And the find riddies!
There you go. Got him.
It's something.
Not a whole lot.
I actually want to look at that. I think this might be the highest network ring ranger I've ever seen at 34 minutes.
Yeah, I just got 800 gtm right now and got the juice. Uh-huh.
You're crazy stuff. I'm closely followed by that of Niko in the park.
crazy this looks like they're just running it down mid they're like okay we
don't want to play that lane we went in this game and they should be able to
hex fully picked up here for the Phoenix also look pretty dead
I said go out without buyback shot she does she still hits on them was
chrysalis shot down as well by the power shot let's go back and heal up onto
that final set. That's got buyback money, Boone. I want to put everything in, sir. One last
attempt at all. That's the buyback.
So yeah, we'll be even stronger, of course, he also goes for the Mjolnir, so he might just kill everybody, awesome himself.
There we go, a Navi.
Ready to come under the killing blood.
We'll get the shackle onto Chrystalis, but we'll never get his way back up to the high ground, at least.
I'll be there is a couple of coming to an end, but he's not find the chance for cat vision
down can't hit the word then you only steps up let's see salary does he want to you might
just jump. They're gonna get inside a bit, they're gonna shackle in on the left one. The arena will get
thrown down though, it's not about arena, it's all they have, they just have to kill up Reddies.
Can they kill up the cause though? Supernova in position, it's gonna be a successful one,
they cannot kill the egg, three dead on mouse. Mipon, he'll jump back to base, Niku on the chase,
but Mipon actually able to get out and survive, so two of them are left, but three of them are dead.
They had to use a lock really there just to kill Reddies and they're still gonna end up losing this top set of barracks
Having to deal with the mega creeps up against them
Just take I want to say ten thousand damage on the windranger. He's popped a panic and stood there
And I'm calling as the GG not me
Absolutely destroy you
Miles in this game
Wasn't even close therefore that was not even close. No, this game was decided it
Let me make them in this truly like those rotations like every these really heads up disruptor play moving toward bottom getting this glimpse play gets the ball rolling
It's the pulling of the waves and then just add ikus individual performance in the mid lane absolutely crazy
I really was just very much saying why he'll go for the puck in these sort of situations every single time 15 1 and 23
They crushed him, a rough one there for Malz as Na'Vi absolutely stomped them.
What an incredible game from Na'Vi and I'm instantly going to go in with the stat that
I have prepared.
So sit, 7.39 when Malz picked up this new roster, mid one has not had this many deaths
at the 20 minute mark at all.
Seven deaths at the 20 minute mark, this is the most amount of deaths you've had.
Na'Vi identified a problem, shut him down and kept shutting him down.
teams, 6 deaths maybe at 20, maybe 5, maybe 4, but like to hit 7 deaths at 20, the first
time since mid one has joined this mouse roster.
I mean it's also like this doesn't usually happen to him because he's like their standout
player who like he has good lanes, he does good stuff, but feel like you know his early
game was kind of quiet and then there were just a lot of like rotations right, like on
him the way that Navi played the early game was just super super good, like I really loved
what they did with their draft because we need to also say it, like for them they have
very volatile drafts very often like frequent late but this time around you know they have
the good laning stuff you heard also fought and Owen talked about you know
good early rotations through through the gate towards the bottom line to enable
the last pick Phoenix which I fully love absolute big fan of this year so
Navi I mean Miles had like very dead no dough that's a play after me the fight
it was it was cool yeah the way that Navi have set up their draft right with
this Phoenix pick if you play a static game you're gonna have problems right
the monkey will be happy against the park the Phoenix will feel like he can
never truly kill the Viper everything just goes stagnant but once you start
making these moves and you start kind of making the map full just messy, that's
when everything comes coming down because Monkeesing never can step up
into the game. Like my expectation was if mouse can be the aggressors early on,
bring the toss to Kieran Viper and like force Navi to never rotate, then maybe
this is a game for mouse to play, but again it didn't happen. Navi were the
ones who were teaching around the map making these moves so yeah, Navi they
put the creativity in the draft, but the mindset of don't allow mouse to set up
the map, to never allow their support to feel like they were having a good time.
But Yamag's running to mid, it was like, run mid, now die, you 4 to monkey to the basketball, he now dies as well, like it's 4th errors.
Because it's mouse needed those type of moves, but what I like at the same time for Navi, I feel like they were one step ahead.
Because if the enemy team has one move, it's kinda easy to read, like it's past Mars, off lane, they're not gonna pressure there, Yamag is gonna screw off to some different lane,
but they're already down bottom on disruptor, like making the first move, and after you have a bad lane on mid one in this game, where do you go?
You're not gonna run into like some Phoenix area that he's taken over to like your viper like the super low movement speed
You're often was Mars fast who got slammed in the lane as well. So
Yeah, music stat line is pretty garbage and disgusting
But I will say like after the first eight nine minutes, they aren't that many plays on the map other than them just trying to play
Yeah, they built on wind lanes and snowball through monkey doing things monkey does nothing games over like it's probably the
It's the easiest game that we're going to analyze today.
It is just such a one-sided affair.
But you spoke about it as well.
And of course, with highlighted mid-one steps,
the stat line that Narvi was able to create,
the most steps that mid-one has.
And I think that's the main thing.
Narvi's, they're draft.
We'll probably touch on that in a little bit,
but their drafting is volatile.
They have these drafts where they can easily lose in 20 minutes,
but also make these comebacks.
And I feel like in this game,
that if you don't make these small little plays
that we're going to see here,
identifying what we've already spoke about,
this is a completely different game in play.
game in play so yeah I think Navi they are showing the improvement from the qualifiers to playing in
Blast having to play these best ones they are making these little steps to being a potential top 8
team. Like for me absolutely for sure because their drafting is like also I see like very
as I mean these are the these are some of the desert I think mid one could have avoided where
he goes like back to this mid tier one tower like back to back and just he just kind of feeds it up
but I think at that point you know he's going to his uh his arm done days but yeah for Navi
I think to me, I really like this team because they are very free, they are very creative, but like you said too, it's both, I think, like their strength, but also their weakness that sometimes they like overcook, Niko is like an insane hipster, he will play like mid-dazzle, mid-snap-fire, and he won't just do it like one game, he will suck with it one game and then run it back, and that sometimes makes me wonder, but I think right now, you know, if they can find the sweet spot, they're cooking.
That's so hard though.
Because if you have too many cooks in the kitchen,
obviously, you see why he's going to be a bit of an ideas guy.
He wants to bring these ideas in the qualifier.
I remember I was messaging him, like,
love the Grimmstrike bro.
And then he sent me a list of heroes that he also liked.
I was like, so brother.
After the second one, like, I'll be honest.
I left him on red on one of the messages.
I can't respond to this.
I don't want to be anywhere near the suggestion.
You're like, this guy, I'm going to leave the list.
But like, fair play.
There will be a point where these ideas will become
meta-defining.
Because the thing with meta is like,
The meta is only there if a team is doing it.
If tomorrow, suddenly, Bane off lane is getting played,
everyone's gonna be crying about how it's the meta, right?
It's always potentially meta defining.
You just need a team or a player or a coach
strong enough to bring it in.
So yeah, I like the little things that Nabi does.
Again, Phoenix Monkey King, we've seen it before.
It's not like crazy new tech,
but to keep bringing it back patch after patch,
that's the kind of the cool thing.
And I think it's cool and also like to maybe explain it
like a little more.
It's not just good because I mean,
obviously you can follow him in the lane, right?
But even if you don't,
We saw it in one of the clips, like even if you don't lane into him, Monkey King wants to play aggressive and like dive towers.
Phoenix is super good at like, TPing in, you fire Spur at the Monkey King, you can even dive on him if he runs out.
If he presses Wukong, you can egg, like you answer like basically everything, even if you don't directly match up into him.
So, that's just one of the reasons why I fully love this Phoenix.
And then of course, we praising Nobby now, but later on today, I believe they still need to play against Yan, Dex and OG.
Where are you thinking, in regards to those series, is there a potential one situation where they can claw out another win or are we looking towards Na'Vi actually stamping their authority and moving up to the bracket?
I think they could, because what I like about them is that they don't just play free, they play quite quick. They have a good aggression, I think that's what you need if you play against your OG.
So I think while I see OG as the better team, I think Navi have a really good chance against Yandex
I would actually see them as the favorites at least from what I've seen so far. Yandex to me
They've been a bit like like Giga shaky actually. Mm-hmm. And Toa Shakeness, she mentioned OG
They also looking pretty shaky today as we are gonna look at the standings yesterday 4-0 the only undefeated team
Everyone going hysterical. Oh my god, OG and then yeah, they lost two games today
So it is looking a little spicy up top again to see a best of one slam group stage where there isn't a tundra and Falcons
Holding on to that top spot again
Tundra 4 and 1 they still can enter that 4 and 2 and tie with the other teams
But liquid x3 og and navi all hugging the top 2 and in this format you get top 2
Automatically to the semi-finals again. It's a best of five this time around but still all about getting top 2 in this format everyone else
It's a best of three it's other shenanigans, but still everything to play for yeah now
The top two is like giga you skip like so much like you immediately like go through it can maybe in some ways
I hurt you if you don't play but obviously the teams like they will scrim they will watch
But the other thing that I saw is that my boys
Reconyx, oh, they got themselves a W. You know yesterday
They got a couple of L's and maybe some of them which they shouldn't have received
But obviously know if you make some mistakes you throw you're gonna end up losing
But you got a W under the belt. Okay, that's all I want. That's it. Do you think?
game religion
The team is playing now. Well, not technically now, but in like 15 minutes. Will they get a dub against thunder?
I would say they're definitely outmatched. I mean, you have like high hopes for them, right? You yesterday
They did quite well
I think the end of the day was like a two and two score and they also beat like fairly good teams in those like opening games
But they won sometimes you can't really take the like the results for like face value because you know
Some teams might not be fully ready
But what I want to show about them is that I think and we talked about this as well
They rely on their drafts quite heavily. I would say like not just on my point. I was literally I was prompting
No, no, no take it away. I think they have a lot of combos that they like like first
Well, you can see it here the warlock willow
They have it in both the games and also with the Viper first pick
So because of mapping they rely a lot and like having these like clear cut combos that give them good lanes solid stuff
You can maybe flex some heroes and then like last pick a storm and run the Viper as a carry because
Because if they don't, I will say they are definitely outmatched when it comes to the skill, at least by a little bit.
So in order for me to see them as even footing, I think they need a small edge when it comes to the heroes.
Yeah, I think the main thing with Game of Legion is that I don't even know how to describe it.
I don't want to sound like I'm being rude to them, but as an up-and-cover team, that's the better way of phrasing it.
When they have a strong draft, they can beat any team in the best of one, I feel.
Once you enter a best of three and like you lose to them, then there's adjustments
I don't see they have the adjustments and the depth to be able to always win out a full best of three against top teams
But in the best of one setting if your prep is good
I can see them doing these little quirky plays the Viper whatever and on top of that
Then you have RCY who is probably one of the like best up-and-coming this stand out for stand out
Like every time I see them play it's like I'm always like damn
I see why it's pretty good
I'm expecting him at some point in the future to be on and potentially another team or even game the Legion if they kind of click
can make that progress together, but obviously why for me is like the guy I'm always looking
for in this team, like what can he play, what can he bring to the team because he is just,
he always feels like he's got that extra little bit of flair where other midlaners,
other kind of players in his position don't always step up to what he needs to do.
He reminds me a lot of like Abed, if you go back like nine, ten years ago, you know,
the SEAK to like joins, you know, the other teams, everyone talks about him for the right
reason.
I also think that he's this team's like absolute best player.
He has good performances.
He plays cool heroes.
He can farm.
He can make moves.
fast you can throw him in good matchups and also bad matchups and I think overall it is a team
that has improved but I just want to see more you know before we jump on the train of like oh
they've made it they've done it they're like you know the like the favorite in this matchup because
they're not because the counterpart tundra we know that they're insane sure sometimes they struggle
in like the early days but when that team is on they're one of the hardest teams to beat yeah
like being realistic we have to look at this matchup and go like 80 20 towards tundra 75 25
Or am I being a little bit too smart?
I think that's fair.
Maybe in a B01, you can steward a little more down,
like you said, with the prep.
But I think when you reach the 70, 30, to 80, 20 range,
I think we're pretty on.
I mean, we said that Game Religion is all
about having the correct drafts, having the correct motions.
And of course, let's see what they can do in this upcoming draft.
So we were hyping up RCY, right? We're going like, this guy's the guy, like, we look at
this guy on the team. And I just kind of remembered why I hype him up. It's when I look at Storm
Spirit, he's like 12, 1, 15, 6, 2, 19. Other heroes maybe not getting the same results,
of course, team can change that. But I think, yeah, Storm Spirit is a hero that will always
looking for it anytime he gets his hands on it no matter what team he's against
his start line is yeah just incredible so oh wait time to band it out so I
well let's throw that out the window that's gone you moved like in front of
the TV are you guys talking about so I couldn't see the bands wait if you to
find out like they've done their homework I kind of peeked around you and
say ah she yeah I mean obviously he'll need to be able to play other heroes and
I will have to say so every time game a legion have been first pick I mean most
teams have gone for this trend. You know, you pick the Viper if you can, you take it away if you're
not the first pick team yourself. So I want to see how Gamer Legion go on like, you know, about
the draft later on, because I think the combos I showed as well with like, I think speed on Warlock
is definitely just one of like the most comfortable heroes. I just think it's like very solid, right?
Like there's not that many things that can go wrong. If you have a Warlock, you should have a
good lane. You can play different types of lanes. If you have good lanes or early kills, you can like
progress it into more. So it's stable. I think that's something that they do very well. They
play stable drafts and look for stable drafts very often and then look to execute those.
The thing with stable drafts is they're somewhat predictable, right? Like when you have a Mars
balloon in an offlane, a Warlock in a safe lane, you know the timings, the Warlock needs the
Grim War charges, he needs a kill or two in the early game to then get the early golem at minute
seven to push the tower. Like you kind of see what's happening there. So I think for Tundra,
playing on a bit more of that kind of predictability, you can get these little quirky picks. Like
like the Shadowfiend. I know we're not going to see it as banned out, but like the Yashakaya
aggressive carry, like when you see stability, chaos can break that very easily. And I think
Tundra so far in this tournament with the Slark picks, the Shadowfiend carry, itemization
from pure, like they are already moving in kind of a chaos mode, but to me should break
apart kind of gamer legions, successful strategies.
Yeah, I know for sure. And I like what they did here on the like Tundra. I think like Grumas
has been, he's been leveling up at least for some teams, right? You need a blue type of
guy like a blue player to really make it work. But I was talking about this yesterday. I think
this is the best response. And if you want to be a good team, if you are playing at this
tournament and you want to go far, I think you need to man up and pick the right hero
at the right place. So going for the weaver here is one of the, I would say, two best
carries into this hero. You lane well into him. He doesn't really have kill thread. You
can kill the pandas later. You're very annoying for him. So, you know, I like the confidence
and understanding here of game religion.
Yeah, it is just a matter of putting side three on a awkward position. Of course, Ari's
in a sport position can start fixing this, a hero that can either bring additional ability to the Brewmaster
or even just lockdowns. Weaver steps up to go aggressive, a stun, some hex or anything like that
to prevent Sakuchi good positioning. It's a nice way to try and bring the balance back to the Brewmaster.
Yeah, you definitely need to, because you need to offset this matchup, with exactly the stuff you're mentioning,
whether it's some Dark Willows or some Lions or Shadow Shamans. That's a combo that Tundra have played already.
Of course, there's so many heroes in the game, but not every player will play all the heroes,
so you need to pay attention like Tundra.
Okay, when they have Brew, they really like Shadow Shaman, so that's already a high chance
that that hero could come out.
Similarly, when I see Weaver, for me, always Faces Void will be one of the carries that
really rises up in value.
It's one of the worst carry-to-carry matchups, so if you're a game a legion, there's stuff
like this that also rises up, you need to think about it because you don't have that
many bands left, so you need to think about it, or at least be ready to cover the enemy
potential picks with your picks in the next phase. The main thing for Tundra is make sure you have
stuns to deal with Weaver on other picks as well, and then you're a game a legion with Weaver.
Because it's such a strong safe laner, of course Tusk, the best five position to enable
this type of aggression, you kind of want the same thing, right? The same body to kind of throw
into the lane to go aggressive. I don't think what fives they might look for. I don't want to see
Warlock here. Yeah, I don't think so. It falls away very quickly. Like you've got like some of the
I do feel like that the Tuskman is just quite good because I think compared to all the other
fires he's just way better. Like he poses like more threat and also gives you some catch. The
classic is like clockwork, right? Just because like battery is so thin. There's the default which
is like a jokero just for play the lane. Yeah, there's like a clock. There's like Marcy, something's
like zombie. I don't not the big it's okay against Brew. But yeah, like you said, I think the jokeros
also fine. It doesn't have to necessarily be the melee dude I think you make for a pretty good lane.
One of the things, at least like when I've played the brew into Jekiro on the lane,
I think it's fine because when the guy hits you, you can like go on windstands. He doesn't deal the
most damage, you can maybe evade more than one hit because he always hits you twice,
so you don't care as much as maybe some other offlaners.
Again to remind everyone with brewmaster, there's two builds, Vesuang, so minus aggs.
33 is currently sitting in the minus territory of your master.
We own yesterday.
What's up, son?
We do go for the Willow.
I mean, it's definitely very high up in their comfort, right?
It's such.
Absolutely.
The Weaver Willow, they work well together.
Big Num is very good on this hero as well.
There's also a chance that Tundra were looking,
Ari potentially.
He's played Dark Willow quite a bit before,
so it's good for yourself.
Set my potential to take it away from Tundra.
It's really just...
If you play for Tundra here, they can just go pick a tiny,
flex it a little bit longer, pick their position 5, you kind of see the winner in the 4, you
can pick your 5, you can flex the tiny a little bit longer between mid and 4, then you have
like some random ground stun to deal with the weaver, the dark willow, as they're running
away just throw it down, like I think Thunder isn't really getting punished in the draft
as of yet, like when you pick the brewmaster you're obviously expecting the weaver, like
this is not like oh wow they picked weaver, so I think when you get to like the top level
of draft you sometimes will let heroes through to bait them in like thinking they got the
counter and now four picks later weaver doesn't feel too comfortable. They do
go for the shaman so the knockdowns through Ari's trumpet we saw yesterday
these precast hex utilizing the tree and protect the vision on his shard and
they actually take the cork with themselves. The hero that was really strong for
game of Legion against brewmaster even against shaman just rocket flare to find
them, barrios assault to stop them from casting primal split or shackles again
two different heroes two different spells but tundra takes it for themselves.
I kind of like it you have like a lot of like if you're tundra and you go
You're posing like a big threat whether the fight happens or like if the fight happens you have brew split
You have some a lot of stuff to throw in if they're not coming you have Rasa who will you know throw his ward and if the enemy team doesn't
Come out they don't show your clock can catch so you have like a lot of I would say very nice combinations
I will say that now with the clock. I mean are you generally doesn't play it
I think even when the clock goes like into the offline it's white man playing it and then like pulling waves
So the options are still open, but with the clock coming out
Maybe there's a higher chance that Tundra actually looking for a range carry on 18 later down the road
But game a legion now when you see the this kind of the skirmish the chaos
They need a off-lane to hug right like a high time to a guy who just goes
This is where we're fighting and even if they're finding the back line just come to me sure shaman
You know 15 hex break, you know, there's ways to play it, but I'm looking right now at fade at finding the offline hero
That's gonna be able to just protect here. It's got three ranged heroes
Sure, there are three ranged waves that are also elusive.
You've got Shadow Realm, O'Hello, Leap and Invisibility on a Marana,
Sakuchi and Time Note on a Weaver.
They have tools to deal with what Tundra has, but one guy's going to walk up the high ground
and actually go, hey, this is where we're fighting.
Like, actually provide some information at the start.
Me, especially also, like, they banned Ursa, so like, a lot of the heroes that you're kind of looking for,
they're like covered at least a little bit.
Okay, take your Centaur.
I think that's fine. I would maybe like some of the others a little more,
just like I think like Clock can be quite annoying for Centaur,
but probably going to be chill in the lane, and they could be looking at, okay, you know,
there's a high chance for, like, a potential range carry, but this is definitely one hero that is
very scary in the Tundra hands, kind of slipped through my mind here on all of the bands.
The BGM Invoker with Giga setup, and you... Too much setup. It's actually...
Like everyone, even like Panda later with the stun, you've got Rasta, Clockwork.
Gamelige is about one million percent here, right? Yeah, you have to.
Like with dilation into the heroes, you already mentioned the early in the draft,
but with the Invoker pick and how they're progressing, it would be illegal to offer up to this hero.
Unless you have this idea of, oh, we're going to win in 20 minutes because they have Brew and Voker Void,
you just got to ban it.
Because you make one mistake even if you go ahead and your heroes are not scaling through this game.
That is the thing, we spoke about how Tundra picks the Brew, don't care about the Weaver.
There is an argument, Gamer Legion might do the same, but yeah, the Void, it's too much of a freebie
for a get to 25 minutes of play out pretty much any game.
Yeah, because they will just like probably just put like the Rasta into the safe zone,
put the clock top, go do some wave pulling, who cares.
You just get everyone through the game and you're happy.
I mean, game religion should be seeing the same thing because it's not like,
it's not a very complicated ban.
It really isn't, no.
Because then it's just kind of four times, but they should already be thinking like ahead,
like which carries are they like kind of looking at.
There are some other carries in my opinion like Sven, I think heroes that use Alacrity well and have like over damage can be kind of nice, it would also give you even another setup which can be cool, I think for the Invoker.
Against Weaver I'm also sometimes eyeing other heroes like Drao and Morita, obviously they do struggle into Centaur, but you always have to struggle against something.
It's a Tundra of course protecting their invoker with the puck and the husk out.
Gamelige have last pick, so if I ask him why he's going to be able to take his queen of pain, take whatever
dude he wants to be able to play out the lane, I think for them it's just have a bit more kind of damage and map play.
You've got all these lockdowns and setup, I just want that explosive damage.
If you actually find a guy, kill him, kill him in that arrow, kill him in that tear rise on the stomp.
So high damage would be pretty good.
Of course, Tundra take away some of the lane counters, Puck and Oscar just free farm into an invoker.
Let's see, I mean they are taking a lot of time.
Are they just gonna let the Void through and like try to play on tempo?
I feel like it's not something I would want to do, especially because Tundra also...
Like they're a very good team at like being like playing slow.
Like they're super good at delaying the game and like getting it to the stage that they want.
Can you already mention the fact that it's like a potential draw, but...
Yeah, I think it could it's maybe like
It's safer and like the early to mid game
But then like more volatile when it I think comes to team fighting because centaur is annoying for you
You know blade males than P they can get on top of you
But it makes for like more solid laning so you can like trade one for the other depending on how you feel I
Feel right now you just ask your carry what you want
You've already got such a well-rounded lineup
So do you want to play the out to shove away even have your item timing?
Do you want to play a draw because you've got the front line to protect you
Do you want to play the Void so that you can make BGM really happy in the MVP of the game, right?
Like, it's like, whatever Pure wants, I feel like it's...
There will be a discussion after the pick, like, this pick will make us have to play more slow in the first 15,
or this pick will... we have to win our lane. There will be, of course, a caveat to the pick, but...
Most feel quite comfortable.
I mean, I would kind of just be vibing with the Void. Sure, you give like Centaur a pretty free lane,
you know, he'll do his stuff, but it's a good dilation game. It's a good chrono game.
And it's it's time to like their style is I feel like when this team has lake in you know
They already love farming and they love gold so give yourself like the scale at the same time
They're just gonna walk with it. No three seconds left on the reserve time
I think he even played it like just earlier today
I do feel like that this hero as a carry has been buffed like a lot
You have a very good facet of things to quick shot that you get hired
percentage to proc your gunslinger when you that shot and it lowers the cooldown
offered as well they buffed like the in game and I think overall just having
like a mixed damage but also high damage carry in this meta looks super good and
with Alacrity yeah I mean this heroes really really scary we didn't talk about
it they have played it already in the group stage yeah but like whenever you
look at a call that's only physical damage picking water the character carrying
you're gonna be happy right like it's not many players want to play more to
carry I think army there's obviously pure and then the Parker are the main ones.
RCY on his last pick though does just go back to the Ember kind of like a kind of
a spirit main from the mid lane and yeah it's kind of like you know it's Ember
you've got Moran you got a Willow like you've got heroes to utilize the route
heroes to utilize the setup it's about pacing right and we praised RCY for
being a player who plays on high pacing yeah into Invoker it can be a little
annoying, but is an exo in Volker. I'm looking to ask you why, to try and break them up in
the other game.
No, for sure. I mean, I like the combo a lot of Ember, Weaver, right? You have a lot
of chip and poke, you're lucif, you have bugs, you have side of face, chains. You have good
setup from all of the stuff. I will say that I'm looking at Gamer Legion to play at a quicker
pace, right? And Volker is a slow hero. They all kind of need to protect each other. Brew
is good when he has split, whereas Gamer Legion, when they have any opening, Weaver can go
gate. Ember can go around and like Remnant here, make stuff happen because Tundra, I
definitely give them this game. Like I think the Muerta in this game is Giga.
He's not really answered. You have to, you can get on top of him, but if some
items come out like four stars, you know, pipe and you've got the teamfight going,
I think game religion, they need to up tempo this game.
I want to see game religion, even if let's say the tempo doesn't hit and it's an
even game, they have to then kite the fights, right? Like once you initiate,
you're kiting the brew split, you're just engaging, you're kiting the
cataclysm and having a force to save yourself, making pure use his veil and
then once the veil is down, then you look to fight. Like a lot of game
the Legion in the mid-game will be like poke, poke, poke, ha, you wasted a spell, then we
jump on you. It's going to be very clean teamfighting from them.
Yeah, but definitely also be looking for Fade, because Blink isn't as prominent right now
in center. You want to let go all your auras. I would say maybe Blade Mail, Pipe, Blink would
be quite nice to go over and just keep up the game. Because Thunder, like we said already,
they have high cooldowns and so on. You need to play around it, get on them, understand
also how you want to fight and how you want to smoke. I would say if you get on Cure and
you are annoying like BGM in the fights here, damage is quite low and it would also give
game allegiance like the advantage to get in ages. Abuse the cooldowns, go there, make
it happen. So I do favor Tundra but obviously there's always a game to be played.
There's so much fight available for game allegiance. If they do get online like the Willow with
the terrorized throwing on top, like Willow can make Shaman pretty miserable in the fights.
If you have the positioning, if you have the vision to be able to do that. So it is going
to be an exciting game in game one between Tundra and game allegiance.
2 teams coming into this with 3 game streaks, tundra on a 3 win streak, gamer legion on
a 3 loss streak, gamer legion started off pretty well, had a nice little 2-0 to start
things off being some decent opponents like heroic in order to do so but since then I've
kind of uh dropped off when it comes to this international competition meanwhile tundra
just keep on rolling which is unsurprising I would say. They are the blast masters at this
point it is inevitable you know they probably already assumed they've won this event they
probably already assumed they've won the next six blasts up to like blast 11 you know they're just
already shipped from the trophies and their mind it's a done deal so these are the defending defending defending defending champs
That you're gonna have to take on here a tough ask for anybody in this
Chaotic bo1 group stage, but I have some faith in our NA boys here
You know, I think people underrate the squad. I think that's a good team fights energy to have some creative ideas
They're willing to pick some bold heroes and bold spots and that could win you some of these Bo ones
You know, B.O.3 is a different story, but a single game
Okay, so do you think that gamer Legion has some of the formula that you were looking for do they have a bold hero?
I don't really see that one. I think the weaver pick was pretty bold
It's just first pick that carry weaver try and punish this brew master as much as you can
I think the weaver pick did get counteracted in the draft
I think clock shaman's pretty hard support through to play into and then that last pick more the
Adding calling on top that is just such a nasty combination with like cogs calling
shackle calling that kind of thing so I'm a little worried for him but I think the
pick was pretty interesting ultimately I think they just should not have given
this invoker in the second phase I think that's where the draft went a little off
the rails for me like come on boys what are we doing you know this is this is
too much trading out damage pure is gonna get pretty low of course he has
two fairy fires to work with not one two so he's gonna survive as will pick
First blood still on the table here. Nevermind gets taken away and bottom lane where you answer does end up going down
What happened there? They just didn't control the centuries. Well, there's still a century on speed
He got double career kill, which is pretty nice, but this deep century planted by Ari. We get the shackle. It's a kuchi
That's just a hundred percent that we've got a control division on this lane
So already toucher supports putting in some work on these sidelines will get the keyword bottom
So that'll free up a lot more aggression here, have to fly out more detection if you're already.
That is expensive on a hero like Shaman.
Have another go, shackled, but Arrow this time will stop Ari's oppression.
Let's see what 33 goes this game.
I do not think he is going to go by this like he did in our previous sighting of his Brumaster.
I know he likes that build, but I think when you're playing with Info for a mortar,
that just sounds too greedy even for him maybe that's not a thing maybe there's
no such thing as to greedy for 33 but I would be various price I mean what else
do you get on this here nice arrow that lands yamson will get some revenge
against starring that's that North American Potom right there the legacy
lives on never underestimate any priestess of the moon we do have shooters
out here. Mid lane matchup going 9 and 5 compared to 8 and 4 so it seems pretty even. I see
why maybe getting a slight edge over VZM here. And as you said, needs to be able to get that
edge because you do not want to give Tundra the invoker.
This is a very scary hero to play in so this team, they control the team fight so well.
notice small games too so even when you fall behind on this hero which is often the case
you just can't end the game against them and then it just goes later and later and at some point
that hero takes over so fast start here we'll do a lot for game-writing purposes so well
shadow round which actually runs hell yeah it's helping a lot here big nun doesn't take nearly
as much damage and white mon is eventually just gonna have to give up on them white body
He's pissed at that creep, oh he ruined his entire sequence there, and then the hero Gamerlige needed in that moment
Oh, lanes are kinda going fine for Gamerlige, I mean you gave up that one pad, weaver to bottom, but otherwise you got some couriers, you got to kill
your CS-ing pretty well here
Trading pretty well
I'd say their lanes are stronger on paper. Yeah, I fully expect the Centaur to free farm
I think Ember was your last pick should do complete fine anything's gonna do fine against Invoker
And you had to counter pick versus the brew so in theory you kind of got your your triple lane
Victory on paper not by a huge margin, but maybe 60 40 55 45 but again, I don't think pundra care I
Don't think this is a team that cares that much about stomping lanes
I don't think they care about winning lanes when they have Invoker too much
So the laning phase is just one one step here in this problem for gamer legion
Take a slight win in the laning phase and do what with it. What's the game plan here for this one?
Snowball, do you remember? Like put your supports behind ember and centaur with the stuns and the chains and the lance of the earth
Missing the dead shot there that might get him killed though. Oh man
So much damage that shadow realm got the full max 200 diverse down pure
Yamsin meanwhile cleans up
33 gets load does actually have some stick charges. So he'll stay alive for now, but it's kind of close
He's just refusing to buy item clothes late
They should be playing hyper aggressive and just trying to abuse the holidays trying to rush a corn copia
does managed to get to it here, but I
I don't know if that should work like that, I mean he kind of gets away with it here but
I think he should have gotten abused of horror.
White Mon is challenging too, with the cogs and the calling, makes for an annoying mess
of things.
Big Numsellas and Shadow Realm, he'll be okay.
And looks like this fight is going to be whatever.
It's just so hard to fight this, that Thori already has helms.
You have some sun strike potential in all these side lanes hermishes, but BGM is already
throwing a couple out.
Basically, it has to manage this mana in terms of winning the lane versus sun striking side
lanes, and if these sun strikes miss, it hurts his mid lane presence a lot.
Alright, D-Line trying to get level 6 for this power rune, gets it off the range creep.
Now let's see if he can get the power rune.
Doesn't look like it turned her a very well set up for this meanwhile gamer Legion brought zero supports to mid lane for the first power room
There to me they're not maximizing the
The freedom this weaver's kind of giving them like I think if your speed you either have to be hyper aggressive on spot
I'm laying zoning 33
Or you have to go get this
Sight of strike burst down
Five you could play aggressive, but yeah that sucks
But he's just doing it at the wrong time right like this shaman goes takes a power room
You have all that window to abuse brew
Yeah, they don't use it and then he tries to use it when the shaman's back
Like the timings are just off on all that sequencing to this marana
And I do think there is a world where you could even gank
This is a gokermid with the slight chains into arrow if he got chipped enough
But that windows also kind of passed because the smokers we have level now
So I feel like this is kind of like a skilled if I think tundra just getting away with
A lot of little laning windows that they could have gotten punched on but they didn't
And now their greed is paying off and they're kind of cruising like now
It's very hard to make some moves on these heroes and you're even gonna have the brewmaster ult in half a level here
Which he's going orc it. See I told you he's not gonna play. Yep
I don't know if I ever would have guessed orc it. That's kind of a wild idea here
Very untraditional through master. I
Not having level 6 yet, Jamsen puts himself almost a bit too far forward, got hexed.
That was a close call.
Slain did not go how they wanted it to.
They're just going to have to kind of leave the weaver here, look for something through
this ember.
They are trying to find that big old fake guy here, full creep wave on him.
He tries to do what damage he can, knowing he's not going to be able to escape from
Whitemon.
Counter rotation, RCY comes up here, TP's in, goes after Pure, but seems like he's too far away, so they go back to mid lane, but Speed's already controlled and killed December Spirit.
He's not finding any help whatsoever, he'll get the Amp damage at least. Maybe he just has to do it himself without his allies in tow.
This early game has just been really disjointed. Especially for Speed.
I feel like he's been trying to win two of these lanes and neither has Brutally been that successful.
Could have made a huge difference here in the early game.
So this would be a fast orchid for this Brutally who is your net worth leader out of lane phase.
It's a double range lane counter pick.
33 just doesn't.
twice back to back desk for Fade before he can get his Stampeed, Tundra punishing him
heavily.
So it's out and they will get the return kill on the white mon, but damage is done.
Fade, who is having the best gain here of anybody on Gamer Legion, felt like he was getting
a lot of solo experience, farming up pretty well, but now back-to-back deaths he has tumbled
down the network chart.
Now what you want to see, I think anytime I see Centaur dying in lane phase, it's just
a massive hard fly, you know, the Serial's just not supposed to go down.
Is that Orc at done?
Think it's done fly out
Stoods recipe, right?
No, he put it on he put it on a white mod whose TP to him
This is gonna be incredible surprise
Just gonna die from this the orchid pick up will kill him
Damn, that was a nasty move
That is that is a nine and a half minute or an instant delivery off the clockwork chicken here
such a nice play call
just maximum value. I mean, I don't know what E.M.S. is supposed to do to expect that like.
And also how is, who's pure still a lot through this, right? It's supposed to be the other way around.
It's supposed to be the weaver is able to play solo and
Tundra are supposed to have to protect their Muerta, but instead the Muerta has been able to play a solo lane
while they make this orchid move and despite Ember Spirit even being up here, they can't content down and kill him.
That's ember with the name of the amateur. Yeah, if the two counties here, that's kind of nice, but
RCY getting nothing done, it's really 0-0-0. Yeah, nothing bad has happened to him, but this was your last pick, ember.
Something that can bring the supports into the game, be massive kill threat in this early game.
Instead, it's just in gopher with a meteor hammer about to drop it on your head.
It does catch them inside the brambles here.
They're going to go out to that kill.
Oh, the forge spirit tanks the arrow.
BZM surely would have died otherwise.
Terrorize, not needed here.
RCY, not really taking that much damage,
should be fine to get out, but still failing to find a kill.
Hammer leeching.
Just struggling that account.
Oh, the orchid from behind combined with the hook shot.
RCY, they're getting the stampede, but the damage,
It is racked up and he will die to that orc to take now trying to get the extra catch on a speed
Here comes big num in with this ult does what damage he can arrow slips on by lands on the clockwork
But 33 is untouchable
He is getting a number of kills in this game as a brewmaster without using primal split
He's just onion. The white mod is also on this game. His clock has been an absolute menace with the max cogs
Just decimating people in their mana pools
So Orc is just such a massive threat like look at how aggressive you just dust it for the tree
I'm like are you sure on this way you're dead? I don't care if I'm losing some dust gold
You will have to carry a lot of dust this game first the weaver and marana
Really important on this Peru, but I feel like this Orc it is already paid off in this game
Not your percent
That was what kind of like this hammer on the invoker
because it means basically if it's a nice spell amp in a region item on him
but it means if this ember wants to run around the map and gain sidelines he's
just gonna take your power he'll take it very quickly
and there doesn't even have a stun to stop him when it comes to this siege so
yeah exactly I mean what like RCY is not happy about this makes us a voker very
tanky ups his damage on all the spells and just gonna take your power if you
trying to help, which that's another weaver that does sound
of control.
And it almost feels like we've done to the point where
gamer Legion just needs to start putting like three or four
heroes in one spot, because they are just getting picked apart
across the map.
Yeah, you just got to smoke and stay if you don't talk with
a vocal or something.
Still is susceptible to being ganked, but it's about your best
option because I mean, the organization here is just really
That's your pleasure. It created a lot of pressure points, like the instant they got them.
A lot of pressure around mid on this tower, a lot of pressure bottom with this orchid.
Even 33 swinging in the mid. The orchid's nice. You can see Ember...
Speed? Looks to be a big place.
There, Iceland's before the Primal Split can't go out.
And inside the Bedlam, 33 will finally go down. That is a killing spree, worth of gold, given a big num 424 for him.
So nice recovery for gamer legion that actually brings the net worth almost back to even
You didn't get the d-word down here that Ari was kind of cheekily playing around. So that's a big sequence for them
Like a thousand gold swing some more map control time for this weaver to farm where he's not getting slain by this orchid so
Big play coming out finally getting some connection here
And our lines go down. Yeah, at least he gets the deny on it
I got pretty nice salvaging some little things here close to that vessel that ups your kill
thread a lot here.
Look how aggressive Ari is.
What is going on?
I'm not sure but Ari clearly thinking he's going to be able to get some sort of solo grab
where he shackles in a sun strike and maybe he can kill somebody but there are far too
many heroes here.
we'll get traded out. Period. You have to be kicked out of this top lane, still holding
on to a safe lane tower, and is about to complete a maelstrom. So this is about where Moerter's
farm is going to start kicking out.
The hero's slow to get going, but once you get going, it's an absolute monster. So the
fact he's had this much freedom, it's not as if he's just exploding a network, but this
kind of position for the hero is great.
The smoke is gonna run right into him
Potentially if they go up here fade it's boxing with the creep and they're gonna catch both of them on slight change bedlam
Take out the carry white one with his hook shot. It's away, but the final arrow from speed will connect for the doubles
Beautiful move. I mean, this is kind of what I expected more of this lineup earlier
I think these kind of connections could have happened because the slight change just such a good setup
It's a guaranteed bramble guaranteed arrow. You have so much magic damage from the supports like that that realm is not gonna save you
Sorry the pierce the veils not gonna save you the
These cars are not gonna save you. It's kind of hard to get out of this combo. I'm in the orchid blink orchid
And while you don't get hit by the Sun strike, you will still die all the same
Losses Courier to
you know there always a willow maybe he's got a shadow around he's gonna be
silenced though not much you can do about that this peru build is destroyed
Oh, what could Rush hit the blink?
What? This is some hyper-aggressive.
And he's still got the Midas to you, Dustin.
I mean, why not?
I thought he's actually gonna go for it, but he's gonna get an agonim scepter, and then he also has this Midas.
This build has absolute destiny. See, he's so far. He's gonna get a tower last hit here, too.
It's an E-400, that's it.
Catching BGMs in Voker though would be really good running out of damage though
Never a big fan of maxed out hoof stomp centaur, you know what I mean?
And I feel like either max retaliate because you're farming early
Max double edge or you just go like host on double edge build because you're killing people online or something. Yeah
But I guess the extra stun duration of this game is kind of nice for your other setups.
I used to lost so much map control, like these towers going down, three tier ones down at
17 minutes and they have the invokers.
It's not feels bad, it's just so hard to get your deep vision here.
Amir Legion has gotta find a way to cross to this top lane.
They'll get the tower off of the homo-dom creep.
Bane chips away at that
Still very strong in any sort of open skirmish especially the brew goes down without getting old or orchids off
Opens up the fight for these mobility course a lot. So I got a large
You've got vision on pure
Mr. Bramble got the chain pure dispel stance air rise on the two of them puts him together with the bedlam
can he finish off this carry? It's a close call but he will end up dying in the end with
the bugs on him. Meanwhile, the Ambersphere, caught by the Orchid Fignum, be stuck behind
the tier two so they get the kill on Pure. But it is rather costly. Gonna lose two heroes
for it eventually. Here goes Outlander on Ari. And 33 comes in with the Orchid, not enough
to save R.A. not enough to get a kill in return. So it still kind of ends up 2-2, I guess.
That was the worst exchange for how deep they were on that map. How easy Tundra could respond.
Again, it's some time for games to release farms and waves and catch up without being
pressured and they get to utilize that division. So not that bad of a difference for a game
leadership. It kind of sucks for R.C.Y. here because I think he was supposed to have a
free game and he was the most
farm hero and now he's to the bottom
because he's had to sacrifice his body on some of these plays, but
it's just a, it's kind of a product of the situation
that we're in off the lane, so
what can you do? You just gotta keep playing. I think
if they can keep splitting up the map and finding some pickoffs
abuse the fact that Murana will give you so much
follow-up damage that you don't have to play in like something 3 or 4 group
You can just play two heroes together, two heroes somewhere else, let the weaver farm.
That setup could catch Tundra off guard if they're not willing to group more.
At the same time, I guess that's why you go buy this on brew,
because they're happy to split the map. I mean, I think 33 is always happy in these games,
where people are just farming. I don't think he cares.
Once again, Gamer Legion trying to secure a foothold in this corner of the map.
cannot do so. Tundra continue to play here with your stacking up and as it as
of right now looks like they have secured Tormenter. They might contest this.
The Dom Creep is killing the talk wave. They're gonna smoke. They will get there in time.
It's gonna be very close. Yeah, you better get the lead out. But even if you
can take a play afterwards that's also fine. I don't think Tundra want to force
this and get caught in the middle.
Tuntra probably feel confident that they have the better team fight with this
brewmaster being level 13. He gets off primal split, it's hard for Gamer Legion
to fight into all this, but if Gamer Legion can start off with a pick-off
between the smoke and the moonlight shadow they have the positioning to do
it potentially here. They go left, they run into the initiators, it's gonna be
Whitemon. Whitemon, the first contact gets brambled up 33 meanwhile. He managed to
to get the Orchid out onto Jamsen.
Jamsen got the Shikuchi though.
He's away, hit by the tornado, dodges the Sun Strike
as a result, still caught in the shackles though.
Jamsen, he's not gonna get caught out.
He's gonna get stunned.
Oh no.
Meanwhile, they go after these Jams.
They will kill this Invoker,
but they've lost their carry in the meanwhile.
Running out of damage and running out of team fight.
Being run down by the Brulings on either side.
Nice dead shot, pushing RCY even deeper into the field.
TP coming in, pure from behind.
Slight chains it'll bring him a little bit low here with the best little RCY
Can you actually get one more slight finish off here? Sadly, no good tech
Oh, he got him the chains done wasn't there. Oh my god
And he manages to get his mark still though
It's a two for four exchange two for five rather complete team wipe on game religion
And already did work and I play like you catch the weaver early. He goes down
Just getting shackled into the brewmaster damage so massive because there's so much of the damage that's missing there
Look he does nothing in this fight. It's all the ember and
That was your big meal in your timing. He doesn't get a time lapse off
You don't really get a great swarm off running into the clock or first is the worst case scenario for game religion
This is not the hero you want to have to the shade on
And meanwhile this brew he is level 16
Hmm, where's the orders here?
At 21 minutes. That is absolutely disgusting.
What in God's name?
Arrow slips out and hits BZM.
And it's just the two of them up here.
Tundra, they're trying to take their way down the river to get here in time to help out RCY.
He gets orcated and he makes a run for it out of the cataclysm just in time.
Unfortunately, Faze couldn't get the initiation they were looking for.
Or BZM, he gets away, they're gonna chase after some support heroes, looks like Whitemon lives because of a miss there from Jamsen.
They'll get Ari at least, there's no way Ari gets out.
Man, I mean you need some little wins in this game, even the uphill misses is toying with you at this point.
Well, you did not get the big core punish we were looking for.
That means these cores continue to farm up on the side of Tundra.
The Ags are coming in now.
That Peru is...
He's about to have level 4 old and one more level here.
Oh yeah.
I mean that is going to ruin someone's day, like for sure.
This Weaver still has no survivability.
He's just sitting on pure damage with Neil near, so this is my big concern.
Like I think you can actually keep taking these flights of your game religion, but
How does the instant stay in the place and actually deal damage?
I think the second he shows you're afraid of orchid you're afraid of hex you're afraid of workshop cogs into any of that
You're afraid of this cataclysm off of any stun the calling deadshot like I
Don't know the CDP KBS gear slave, you know, you do not want to go BKB on Cyril, but I
I have to whatever it is. It feels like he needs a solid 10 15 minutes of farming here
He needs to get to that like three or four item approaching level 25. I don't think he's a threat until then
It feels like he needs like hurricane pike bleakings
And then he did
I
Made let's take a bit of damage here from this orchid even more from the broolings
Can you see how I'm out at all
The Rock is gonna follow him here and it's such
It's up of the rocks son
That's dirty
Has bruised just so freakin farm so high level man
That's be nice to play at 33 you know it's like that just first picks his hero that's
what you gotta remember this is first pick room after that 5 heroes to make this guy's
life hard that counter carry pick a marata ult to destroy it stampede to just join it
you know some follow up chains those is just 9 1 in 5 highs now from the game highest level
He's a little 18 a little four old online at 25 minutes like don't worry
I'll just so look over Rudy around the back with aggressively or could build that nobody expected
Man
I think I've been loving mostly for his itemization
You know like the fact that he always gets the right item for you, which I think is probably one of the harder
things for off-length, because usually there's so many options. Very difficult for a lot of off-layers unless you are
like a very one-dimensional off-layer where you're just a fixed feature. Yeah, you know if you're just like a
Ourobot buyer and you buy Ours every game, it's not that difficult, but
the way he plays his role changes a lot. Sometimes he's the DPS leader, sometimes he's a pseudo farming carry, sometimes he's an
Ourobot.
That's what always impressed me though. So
The things to try in here though in bokeh is top in the chart as BCM starting to clean up more than that
So game really sure gonna have their work cut out for me here. I mean these these are hard-scaling heroes with a lot of network behind them and I
think you do have
Some BKB or like defensive item timings at some point this game
We can kind of abuse the fact
100 don't have the best BKB control
You just don't want to give up too many objectives before you get there and just go Roche with
Shaman wards. They can start ghost pushing waves with four spirits.
Yeah, look how fast that was, right? They still have their mid tower up. As soon as
the Centaur shows on that watcher bottom, immediately, Pierre makes the call. TV's
mid. Let's do Roche. He's out of position to be able to do it. Stop us. Now they might
still be able to get there in time as Roche on dies here. Age is going to be picked up.
And yeah, no initiation from Gamer Legion. In fact, they're the ones who are gonna be jumped, big nun.
He's the first one down. Two quick swipes. The blind hookshot from Leitman does not land.
Almost got him there.
Brutus are still looking. Hmm, he's gonna find Fade. This whole castle long time.
So long enough for Leitman to get in here with the Cogs? No, couldn't get him inside the Cogs.
It's Stampede, and they're stuck for so long.
The Cataclysm goes out, they got the catch on RCY, RCY.
Shackled and orcated and killed.
They're going to cut some waves here.
Gamer Leech and bleeding out some heroes.
I mean, initially just losing and support and losing the Roshan was fine, but now it's
going to be even more speed.
Does manage to get through the gate.
Spiky, Gleitner.
And he's got to be careful.
No TP.
His TP got canceled so they know he's around here somewhere.
they're just trying to spread out spot him somewhere but nobody sees him
he's going at BKB I think you kind of have to given the game statement you
have to just rush the BKBs here hope they can win you a fight they have a
centaur BKB that's nice but I don't know if it's changing too much here the
weavers the big one
Hying up the brute bottom, no ult.
But wait, Mon, always run in interference all of that.
Speed was getting some information earlier. Still sitting on a spot.
They spot both supports. Oh, blink for blink, though. All right, I would have been too quick for him.
Almost get both supports there. What a better blessing on this really nice ward.
You do not want to give up some of these wars, there's a gem on the brew right now, which
is not, I mean, big for the map control, but this is also a huge item for him in the fight
because you are playing against Marauderhold, you're playing against Weaver, this gem goes
up a really long way for this hyper farmed brew to just kill people on his own.
It's a little dangerous here too, two and a half minutes if the pure just wants to push,
You can always drop Shaman Orbs
For spirits on higher on force game religion back
There'll be multiple tier twos falling here at least
Our nose and gamer legion wants to rat the game out as much as possible cataclysm
to blink up for blink again. Got the shackles on big man without the shadow realm. He'll die and
babe did he use his BK- okay. He did not pop the TP right away so the hook shot did not stop that.
Dress the BKB one sure he gets out successfully.
Did he actually kill him? Tornado? If he gets the sun strike out here- oh okay never mind it's a
Hexing from the other side from Ari
That's why that gem is so valuable like your kilter is just insane
Now trying to catch even more five more seconds for the primal split to find another hero
I see why he's got to be super careful here cannot afford to be orchid and he's good for now
This map just got completely taken over by thunder here the last two minutes
You do get the weaver peeking you but he's dead and you've lost
lost all your vision on the map that word top which is not too useful here you
lost basically all your tier twos
maybe gonna lose big num here we thought he could just shadow realm kill the wave
yeah that's an easy damage more than still has ages for a minute by the way
yeah
That's just an outclass in this game.
I think we just saw a lot of the little things that separate these two teams right now.
Which is, I mean, I'm not trying to, like, slight game religion.
I think they're a great team, but Tundra and Blast is perhaps the best team in the world.
So, yeah, these guys are multi TI champs and stuff.
And a lot of these little things just add up and it makes these games look a lot more one-sided than they are.
like how many blinks did already get off first you know how many of those little
kills a lane went the brewmaster's way the little orc could pick up time all
these things slow down your your item timings as we were beginning to lay
he maybe dies an extra time can't join the fight it snowballed so much oh dear
what an era that could have been still as the ages for five seconds so now we'll
expire, bringing pure backup to full HP. They're gonna smoke off of that.
Yeah, this has been quite the suffocating game for gamer Legion. It feels like they
have not had any ground to work with almost the entirety of the game. Like
just, you're talking about all the little things. I'm taking back about these core
heroes in like their timings on level six right fade back to back deaths they punish him for trying
to get his stampede off the creep wave to kill on him there the fact that we have that fast war too
as a result gamer legion are just left with a singular prayer which is that tundra will somehow
throw the game and they go high ground.
The only way that's really possible is if they can haul in Pure when he's hitting buildings.
And that would take Stomp into Arrow, which automatically you're hoping that Pure doesn't
hit BKB before he gets Stomped, which is unlikely.
The Alacrity just makes this hero terrifying if I didn't do
Even if you get him low if he just BKB pierce the veils and gets Alacrity
It's gonna insta shred anybody around him
So either 100 to 0 pure or you're in massive trouble
Trying to finish up this Ember BKB to complete the trifecta they will have it here
So this is that BKB timing across all the cores. I mean, this is pretty much your
your last item timing to try and group and win a teamfight going into this next
rush period. You have moonlight shadow to try and give you some cheeky angle. You
can start on one of the big DPS cores, which I guess is all three of the cores
at this point. That is your your big ticket into the fight and PCF shows me for a second.
Man
Again just
Second or two off. Yep, BGM is just way too quick with it
He way too aware. He just throws out his spells immediately backs out isn't sticking around for nothing
Very well read by him
One time still alive
Yep, and that is I don't know what the
win rate is for Invoker if his tier 1 tower never does but I have to imagine is like 90% or something.
I mean that's easy to say no matter what big hero his could be.
Can you think, have you ever seen a game where a team won but they never took the mid tier 1 tower?
Okay, I'll rephrase it like if his towers, you know alive to like 20 or 25 or sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you the tower never dies
You probably
Arrow okay pushed are you over to the side here dodges the arrow that was coming out and
33 will start things off tornado goes out setting him up
Primal split where's he want to go with it? They're just gonna take the easy target
Centaur is tanky as he is. He's not very tanky in front of the full power of the tundra squad.
They don't go for the back line. They just kill the things that are set in front of him one by one.
Long range hook shot catching. Even more speed. He'll leap out of it.
RCY using his BKB to stay alive for now. Speed not having that same kind of luxury.
Caught him on the shackles. RCY, even with the BKB, may not survive.
Sly goes out, getting some heroes low and it's going to be the Shattershawman who does die.
Yamsen able to finish them off here, BKB teleport out and
Gamer Legion have expended it their last bit of resources
for winning a fight
Using some of their buybacks. There is really just nothing left in the tank for them anymore
Just getting mad handle damages insane from this tricorder
Again, if you can't start the fight on your turn by just pulling stun chain in one of
these cores, it's going to be a rough time.
You can't really kite this line up either.
Too many tornadoes and toss ups and hook shots and chase potential, and every time you get
tossed in the air, you come down, you're going to get hexed if you don't want insta
BKB, so you just have to commit.
There's an MKB for you, Amson.
Some damage.
Trospawn. Unfortunately Gamer Legion with their buybacks do not have a numbers advantage to
immediately do it. They need a pick off. And Pierre, who doesn't have BKB right now, oh what a
Manta Dodge! Dodge is the stop, and is that going to be enough to keep him alive? It's looking good.
They BKB TP out, he'll make it away. Meanwhile, a Hex on speed, RCY has his BKB up. He's okay,
they're both okay yeah this game is it's just an outclass for sure you have a
chance one slim opportunity if you find the enemy carry with no bkb and yet he's
just manted dodges your stun anyway to be fair that is probably the slowest
stun he can be like a tempted stunned with from falling yeah yeah for sure one of the
slowest that he is. I mean is there even a slower stun? most stuns I feel have been
either made instant or like they have a they have a travel time because it's a projectile
but yeah it just feels bad man it's pure back and form I feel like he's uh starting to find
some of that old prime pure we're used to seeing you know as opposed to ti pure that was
there's not it was not pretty yeah it wasn't that way it wasn't uh his highest form
yeah i swear there was like three months where every game this guy was just a win five only
another man to do this is you can't touch him
I think they're gonna have a solid 15 seconds, Gamer Legion just gonna have to reset and see if they can convince Tundra to take a fight with the Primal Split on cooldown.
though I guess 33 does have a refresher and if anything it's gonna be megas
before they even get back into it here one final building the last gamer
Legion okay you just give it up prepare to play against megas 33 jumping in
orchid forcing out the BKB from the Emsen chases after some supports where he
can but the hook shot turn around he just dies almost instantly there's not
Not enough damage and certainly not enough HP.
GameRelegion have zero chances in these fights against Tundra.
Just outplayed.
Straight outplayed on so many little levels.
I think the drafts, okay, like, I like Tundra's drafts better.
I don't think you should give this team a really late pick and boker with so much setup
like that.
But ultimately, like, you're not going to come in a series and expect to outtrap Tundra.
You're going to have to outplay them to get these wins.
Man.
Man, he just got outmanted, outlinked, outlayed, outskirmished.
That was just a beat down.
I mean, that guy right there, 33.
I feel like I can't praise this guy enough.
It's pointless at this point to praise him,
but that was just a sick game.
The orchid delivery, the itemization,
the super aggressive plays.
What a monster, dude.
What a monster.
Surprising, absolutely nobody here.
Tundra do take out Gamer Legion in this best of one.
Coming into the tournament, Tundra's game 1 was a 72-minute back and forth for Reconyx.
Then they lost to Narvesh or things like that.
They got on paper because they looked shaky.
Since then, Tundra is returning to that blast slam.
They're definitely a role, I think, right?
Not just with the drafts, okay, fine.
I would say they haven't really changed so much for this one.
You know, the form that they're showing us from yesterday to today.
Because Dota at the highest level is obviously a beauty of team play and coordination,
but also individual excellence.
And you can see like when this team is in form as to like that's what they showed us in this game
You know, they're like there's so many small things that they do with like blinking here
Dodging this good smoke moves then breaking it and then smoking yourself to go around because the early game for game
Religion honestly, it looked kind of good, but then we'll get into it later
There's so many things that other teams they just wouldn't pull out of their hat
But this team and these players they find a way
Yeah, I think their ability to just type as a team like you mentioned is so exceptional
I feel like in multiple different tournaments now, I've talked about replays where, you know,
Ari's entering from a certain angle, or Wipers in a certain position, or like they're doing
these things where they're always playing on the fringe of the fight, and then collapsing
when they're told to, right?
Like other teams, like you said, they all see an engagement, and they just go in.
And maybe that's what we saw from Game of Legion.
They see hero, they go kill hero, but there's not this like nuance, there's no class behind
it, it's just we want to kill.
But Tunger, they're always kind of like dancing around the fight, and the communication.
And like the replays we saw yesterday, and like how they're baiting people into the
pit, then provide them here, they're just offering up a hero to them for another hero to get a kill,
like, again, Tundra, they're team-fighting, it is really, really scary once they get online.
Because what you're saying also with the dancing, I think it shows quite nicely, because at some
point you, I feel like you can see it in Gamer Legion's gameplay, some of their moves and like
their jumps, they're not like the most natural, it's just because Tundra, like, they're making it
hard for you to like get this engagement, so eventually you overreach like 100 range, 200 range,
or it's like a second too late, whereas against other teams, you know, the timing would still hit,
But this time around, you know, they have barely, like, they have one death each on BZM and 33,
like the way they play it around the map, sure, pure dies like four times, but the other people,
you know, you have BZM and Volker, you know who's gonna carry it through. 33 with some of his
performances, like, it's fine if they take some of the space away, they'll make up for it, ain't no problem.
In stat lines for BZM and Volker, right? 10, 6, 19, 13, 2, 12, and 7, 1, 15. Three games with Volker,
three wins at SLAM, of course. Everyone knows the hero-to-player combination is exceptional.
but for some reason it keeps getting through. Again, just to be clear,
standing in Volker can feel awkward in certain drafts, so some team just let it through.
And then this happens.
I mean, like when they have the setup, I mean, I don't know what teams are thinking or what the idea is.
If you let it through, have a better plan.
Like Ember and Volker, it's fine. It's good for Ember, he gets his game,
but do you really shut him down? I don't think so. The way Centaur is played too,
he doesn't rush a blink. You know, we're not in the meta where often it's like,
get their first 2k gold, they go blink and then gank you.
They're buying an aura, and Volker doesn't care about aura.
He has pure damage, he's farming, he's chilling, who cares?
Yeah, and fair play, alright?
We spoke about in the draft, the two builds of Brewmaster, Dota 2, it's like when you watch a pro,
it's like they just build A, they just build B, but you can build any item in the game.
You have creative freedom, and of course in the cast they're hyping it up, 33 in this game.
Of course this is way later in the game we're showing his items, but it all started with that 9-minute Orchid Kezu.
Yeah, like honestly, it's just so beautiful, and I think this is what makes the highest level of Dota.
Not just that he's queuing it, look at his positioning here.
He actually walks back to meet the courier, to now use the Orca, and this is the first courier.
The courier was what, by the way? The clock was the delivery mechanism.
Oh my, like, even like another layer, you know, and then like later, it's not the only play.
Because you've seen other games where Weaver plays into Brew, and the Weaver destroys,
because it's seen as like, you know, this big play, and you can like play so easily into the Brew.
But look at like all of these clips, you have like the Orca from 33 that's not just owning the Weaver,
like back to back. It also owns the Ember. It's great against the supports,
And it's just, it's what makes this player. Like he's not just incredibly skilled, he's, I would say he has the best itemization out of any offlaner in the entirety of Dota.
Maybe even in like the entirety, like history wise too.
Because he will swap his build, he will swap his gameplay and just make it happen because
I think no other offlaner would have built Orc in this game.
And we might be talking about a completely different game.
Yeah, I mean that's the thing, you need to be able to identify when it is good to do it.
Because if you buy the item and then you don't get the kills, you feel lost, right?
You need to identify that you have the setup and of course with clockwork and shaman and invoker with
Sunstrike and whatnot like you have all the tools to do it
So it's going to feel good
Yeah, but just having the item mentality to be able to go for the itemization
It's really clear and I think it's just testament to tundra right you got pure during the shadow fiend build
You've got 33 buying what he wants like they clearly understand their heroes to the top level to be able to do this
So other teams they won't do it tundra. They will I just hope that other players looking and go, you know what I can do it
But of course, you need trust, you need layering and understanding.
It can be quite hard because it's not just like, I mean it mainly comes from you, right?
Like your confidence and like your understanding of like the heroes because
not only did he first pick his hero, it went into one of the matchups that many people would say
it's like really hard to play but if you can just be creative and like find this way to work
around it, which obviously they did, anything can be possible if you just understand how to work
around the weaknesses and I think that fully sums up this entire game.
Yeah and you good to move on?
I'm very happy.
Alright, great. Because you're talking about overcoming things, moving to new chapters and trying to find new things, OG and Falcons.
We need some overcoming here?
Yeah, there's a lot of overcoming required for this one.
Alright, because sure, OG, they have a pretty good time in their span, getting 5-6 multiple times, they're looking pretty healthy.
Unfortunately, when they go up against Falcons, we have a graphic for it, it doesn't look that good at all for them.
This seems to be the team that just breaks OG for some reason throughout the last competitive year.
I mean, I guess, I mean, OG want to play really quickly.
Maybe Falcons just have like an idea of, I mean, first of all, they're excellent laners.
Like a lot of the time, teams that play fast, they want to like do well in their lanes
and like connect with each other and make moves happen.
So maybe it's something with like, you know, the overall laning strength that Falcons have,
because I do feel like for OG to like have good games and their whole identity is
do well in lanes, collapse together, keep going, keep going.
You know, it doesn't matter which team plays under the OG banner,
it's kind of like the energy that is brought into the games.
Yeah, I think it's a jet through right now of both teams.
I feel like if there was a time for OG to
Overcome this kind of Falcons curse it for like maybe in this group stage sure yesterday
They were 4 and 0 today
They're now what oh to a 4-2 scoreline OG isn't really carrying that momentum
But I'd like to think that Falcons not doing too well. Oh gee having slightly better moments in this group stage
Yeah, I feel like it shouldn't be as one-sided as you know
I definitely think it's not like OG overall to have good players
They're a good team you see the lot of the gameplay like what they're doing and also I think just again
Like when you play against the top dogs, you need to be able to be free because what we saw in the last series, you know, if
You know, there's one small decision that you don't do because maybe you're lacking the confidence
Or you feel like one of your teammates is like, you know not believing in you the entire game can be so different
But Falcons themselves. I feel like there's there's like they're showing cracks
You know, they're not looking like oh, they're like the 10 out of 10 gameplay like they're making stuff happen
No, they they're vulnerable. They haven't played that much. It's absolutely, you know up in there
Yeah, I mean I'm more in the series earlier and it's lot of there's multiple times of it disengaged
He's running away on Sven though, and Mars like blinking in, like,
AHHH! And then he looks around, like his team's up there, like,
These are like moments that, like, historically for Falcons just haven't really been a thing.
So there's something within the- like, it's one of those things where like,
I don't think no one will be able to pinpoint it.
It's just some type of communication or vibe within the roster that's making these plays, like,
There's weird support plus core Pickles where they both die, there's a Mars jumping in,
and this was the graphic I was mentioning earlier.
So, in all of these games, by the way, they've always been group stages.
OG have never played up against Falcons. Again, don't forget, in that first time that you see,
that's when they weren't signed up as OG as Aureus. But in all three times, it's only been group stage
games that OG's played against Falcons. So the whole narrative of OG being this top six team
doing really well, what happens if any of these series was a playoff game? Maybe OG wouldn't have
made it as far as they have because, again, based on the stats, not a single game has ever been won
with this roster versus this Falcons. That's kind of interesting because I feel like when you just
look at the matchup, it shouldn't be that bad for OG. The only thing I can think is maybe
the laning stuff, but overall Falcons, they're not the fastest team. Sure, they're going to
take some tower in the early game and then defend their own, but if you're OG, I feel like they're
going to get what they want. So I don't know if there's some counterpart that I'm missing.
I may be attributed to draft. I know it's the simplest avenue to ever go in this type of analysis,
but when you look at the OG losses today, they picked a Naga Siren into a Razor, into an Ember.
historical matchups where Rage can go Mjolnir, can stand his ground to kill the illusions,
you've got the Ember with the flame, just running through as well, you can kill the illusions,
like they kind of counterpicked their own carry and then played a very macro intense game
where they couldn't ever do anything, right? So I feel like maybe these small little drafting
blunders against AoE, against Falcons, they're gonna capitalize on that and I think like the
average win duration for all those games you saw, it was around like 38 minutes, 37 minutes,
like it wasn't as if it was epically long games the entire time, I think only one game
It was like a 50-odd minute game, it was even like a 19-minute win for Falcons.
So, yeah, I think potentially the small blunders of OG draft trying to push the limits,
getting Axe and Naga and Beastmaster carry, they can sometimes handicap themselves against
the tournament-winning teams.
I mean, what I would like from OG, because it's something you saw yesterday,
they actually had Mars and they were like flexing quite a lot.
And to me, like, Yopaj and Natsumi have been like standing out quite a bit,
like what Yopaj did on this Mars yesterday was pretty magical,
you know, like his performance, you go mid, you play into a hard lane.
you make all the stuff happen, the early moves,
I just want to see the same thing in this upcoming series.
But you want to see Mars Mitigant, you want specifically...
In the right game.
It depends.
Like, you know, you can have it, you can flex it,
because both Yopatch and Niko, they play it quite nicely,
and it fits well into like this.
You want to play aggressive, you want to make moves,
they connect nicely.
They also pick snapfire, like here, we don't see very often.
So, you know, I just want to see it's day two of the BO1s,
keep playing your stuff, keep tweaking it slowly after the games,
and just show us what you got.
Yeah, I fully agree with you.
I mean, just Yopatch, like,
I think just seeing a mid lane TP to the safe lane over a random kill like those little moments
They can break a game and of course to have a game
We need a draft an OG Falcons draft is going to be on the way
Already, OG are respecting Falcons to the highest of levels, the Huskar, the Razor, the Viper, all gone.
Same for Falcons, like, towards OG. I don't remember the last time. Well, of course, there have been matters.
But the first phase Darkseer ban is anything but normal. Like, this does not happen.
I will say that OG had some interesting graphs yesterday. I think they had some last pick like Darkseer, you know.
to reflect some other stuff around, to then make what the post-4 faces would work, which is not something we see too often,
kind of like a SCA specialty, but you know, I get it.
And this is why the first phase bans again, it's usually this mixture of meta OP and respecting the opponents.
Yeah, I mean, so far in Blast Slam, OG have played the Darkseer three times.
They beat Maus, they beat Yandex, they beat Gamer Legion.
Then it got ignored in the Heroic series to then be banned by XG as well in the series they played earlier today.
So it has been a hero that they've been utilizing, of course, later in the draft, second phase, third phase, and Falcons here.
It's like, you know what? We don't even think about it.
Of course, in the first phase, when you have those four bands, you often are looking towards two kind of respective first place,
and then a couple investment bands, think about the future.
And the Mars that we spoke about, of course, has been picked up a hero that they like to play in the mid and the off lane.
But it really is always, it makes any draft feel like it's coherent, because that's where you take the team fight,
Now pick the damage the skirmish and all the heroes to follow. Yeah, I want to see what Falcons idea is obviously
They're one of the best like Mars teams themselves, you know that have mr.
Armario who is I would say the best Mars in the entire world
So I want to see like some of his answers like to me you want to answer this here on like a way where you can match
His team fighting it's the strength of this here
I think you kind of need to try to match it whether you're often it's like some tide to you know
Bison early pipe you get some orders to like fight into it
but also supports that gives you like the overall area of the world.
Yeah, they got the DK.
I was pretty much going to lean towards, I like against Mars having combo breaking calls,
where you get into the middle of the fight and you can brush off something, like the urses, the abadons.
You know, DK, you could argue to some degree, gets quite tanky quite quickly, likes to buy BKB,
skitter always goes a blink on it, unlike other carry players.
So you could argue is the same thing, maybe not as resilient as other options before items come into play, but yeah.
I guess it is nice for them also because they do have the option of flexing it, especially from second pick, like they can keep it open.
I will say for OG, I think a lot of the heroes that they like to pair with Mars are pretty good against DK,
like whether it's a snapfire with very high magic damage and bonus teamfight or a Phoenix as well.
A hero that in my opinion is on the rise and also for the right reason, its overall great hero,
can be flexed in some scenarios and gives you great teamfighting, so wouldn't be too surprised if OG are looking at some of these?
Do you think Falcons are jealous so far in Blossom?
Jealous. Yeah. They're saying all these teams pick Murana. That's true. They have the kings Murana.
They have, you know, the literal Murana king. One of the best Murana players in the world
He just keeps looking at these other teams enjoying it. Tofu just leaping around, White Moon
Invising his team to success and he's like, guys, can I play please?
That would be too surprised. Guys, literally the best part of him in the world.
Like he won like TI with it at least once. So
So it's kind of a good combo with the DK.
I guess maybe you don't touch the Mars too much early on, but I think Falcons are also
very strong and whatever current ideas they have for their couple heroes, I think they're
going to stick to it, especially on the supports, because they're like, you need to make us
work on the course.
And already OG are taking away some of that explosive damage.
That can also hurt Amar, the Sank, the Sen.
When you get into the fight, you are just going to delete heroes, especially with DK
Sending up the engagement already.
I like that.
Again, it's respecting the cause because for Falcons, we mentioned Murana.
They're still like the hoodwinks and the really classic heroes that you can see, paired with the Dragon Knight.
Plenty of options.
Snap Fire, both teams, don't mind playing.
That is a hero that could be, you know, contested in that next phase.
They take away the Shadow Demon.
They pick up their, you know, the casual Shakira again.
That's just probably the most generic five in the game.
Can't really ever argue with that.
He's a good laner, he gives you a follow-up.
And especially when you see Falcons, like the Pierols we already mentioned, you just talked about the hoodwink as well.
Like, it's just what they're looking for, right? You want the Blinkstone, Insta-Kill, back off, play the map, keep farming.
It's like the Falcons' MO, especially when it comes to the mid-game.
So if you're OG, the easiest thing for your draft tier would just be to lock in your double support.
You're pretty happy. Give yourself the teamfight into the Mars.
When you lock in your double support though, you have to make sure that they are good lanes.
When you pick a weak double lane support against Falcons, now a ma goes,
Okay, I want this hero to just give it to me. He will comfortably pick his hero then.
And you are trying to hide the Mars a bit within the draft right, the mid, the off-lane.
At least the nice thing for Mars, whether you flex the mid or off-lane, he kind of wants the same heroes on the other roles, right?
Like he just wants the follow-up, reigning damage into the teamfight.
I mean, let's see here, I think yesterday it was Skem who played the snap, so they played it as a POS 5,
which I think is fine to me, you know, wherever you want to lane.
You just need the levels, you'll be fine whether you're the 4 or the 5.
So it's up to Tim's because last time, you know, they played it with like a...
They were a little more creative, you know, having some like faceless void here.
It's very creative.
Yeah, like I don't know if that's something you want to run here.
I mean, of course, you know, DK, Jokiro, if that is the lane, it is quite strong.
But if you want to look for like, maybe there's other melee heroes that you could be eyeing to give you a little more gameplay.
I always lean towards Tiny in this position, the Tusk, right?
We always talk about Tusk.
It's the most one of the strongest force for that kind of generic vibe, but
So they are they are continuing to flex slightly right it's not the four the five the Mars is the mid to off lane undying
Offlane to five as well
So you could technically make a case that all three heroes are playing different roles right now again for Falcons
You ignore that flexibility and you go, okay
How do we beat these heroes no matter where they go to like what spells do you provide to the game?
That's when you start drafting. Of course, I'm dying. Offlane is something to maybe think about, but you've already got the jacquero.
The jacquero already kind of secures that lane in some way, where it's not going to be an absolute disaster, but...
Yeah, it can be played. I feel like I wouldn't really love it. I guess the idea more so is just...
I mean, it's just solid, right? It gives you even more teamfight with the Mars, but I would assume that what our Mars is looking for is like this offlane guy that can like match the teamfight.
Generally, those heroes are the strength melee guys that you want to have.
They will go for the froggy man as he is available.
I put froggy man in the 4 roll last time on Crip so maybe we have to assume that it's
going to be the same.
I think so.
I heard Amar like 10 days ago swear on his life that he will never play the frog because
he's ugly.
Literally said those words.
Yeah, it looks ugly, I don't want to play him.
That's basically him hiding the fact that he can't press two buttons in rhythm consistently.
But as a bristle player you'd expect him to be good at it because he's smashing the W key.
He was probably happy when they added there, you can auto cast it and just turn right close
to him.
Ah, yeah, sure.
Maybe that stops him from turning it.
And, Timbersaw has entered the mix, so with the three heroes that have been presented,
Timbersaw, he's looking pretty good.
He's not really going to make any arguments.
Now, he's quite happy.
He's very happy.
Like, at least for now, he has to get full blown up, right?
You need to get arenaed, all of the snap spells, whatever other spells are coming out, but
if there's a glimmer, a pipe, whatever, that helps you out for later, then you don't really
care too much. He owned yesterday. So I will say it's just very high damage from OG. Timber if
he does get items, he's very annoying for Klink. So like the one thing Klink hates is like high armor
heroes that can actually stand your ground or kill you. Timber with items later, he can't do that.
I will say early on this hero will struggle. I think the Undying Klink's lane is like very,
very nasty. But Falcons and especially Amar Timber with items, he can take over this game.
I mean, Amar already looks to be somewhat unkillable with items,
and then you throw a Croak of Genius on him.
It's a spell damage amp, right?
It's not magic, and, you know, so any of the Timber spells
are just going to go crazy with the Croak.
And it's going to know and be potentially wary of,
I've not seen the Largo plus Timber Sword combination.
Me neither. I feel like that's something that Falcons are like on the ball on.
Like, at TI, they kept playing like the San King Hoodwink.
Earlier they had the Largo San King, looked super strong.
Now they have the Largo Timber.
I mean, obviously this team,
they love a lot of like the intricacies of like heroes
and like buffing you and then this makes me stronger it makes me happier so I think they're on a on a new trend here
I mean it also helps right because when they
When you have like lago ringmaster lago jacquero like when you have another spot
I also has it like a cheap little bit of damage. Yeah, it is gonna feel nice like lago wherever he goes
He's gonna be able to amp someone in the map and oh gee they do battle the ursa. So still thinking the DK will be going towards mid lane
Yes, see so if you're og I mean obviously you have the choice of where the Mars goes
you don't really know yet where of course the DK is for Falcons. I don't
know if they can find a hero where they feel like oh we can like flex it into the
DK and then just follow him but I think it would be nice if they have another
hero that they can play around like not just the Mars because he needs his arena
he's gonna need at least like a blink or at least face moves if he's played from
mid so I think finding a generic mid that you can play through would be kind of
nice. OG just needs a hero that can just yeah go find a hero get a kill right? Yeah.
and they got so much clunk and mass to throw down at an objective. If they have
another clunky hero then it's gonna be very scripted gameplay. You need that
chaos factor. Of course, Stomps for it, zipping in. That is a fair shot. The
lockdown of Falcons, it's a little awkward, right? Dragon Tail, Ice Path.
Yeah, I feel like having a hero that goes Vessel Shiva would be quite
nice. I understand you have Largo, he can like dispel, but you know maybe on
Morris you can take the vision faster and like make it hard or get some
Chainstone going on but she does is quite damn good against both DK timbers
So if you can find a hero that you feel like it's good for the game and they can naturally buy those items
Maybe you're pretty happy. So a hero like ember to me would go up and value at least a little bit
I mean, you're not gonna do incredible in the lane against DK, but it gives you good gameplay
I just go for them like the Lashrack in that sense and then you have like cling to the physical damage
And you have Lashrack going crazy with the magic the pure damage
I definitely think you could do that too because I like Mars, Lesh a lot, like you want like this explosive damage
And then you have a secondary guy that does it for you
Then the idea is just did you need maybe you would have had to cover the Lesh with something different?
I'm not sure because I like the Lesh now and then just thinking what do Falcons go maybe some co-op
I don't know. Maybe you don't care, but I like the Lesh idea a lot
Where's Falcons? I mean, we saw this match, I saw this match a few times now, like the
Naga interclings, and I have seen Naga lose, like at least once or twice to it, but I still
feel like...
They do have some problems, yeah, they have some Naga problems.
Falcons are like the best Naga team in the world, at least to me, like Skeeter, you know,
he's one TI on this hero, they have AUI, like they've done a lot of like practicing and
mentoring when it comes to like how to play this hero, so there's something that OG should
keep in mind maybe another reason for the you know the LESH to go up in
priority mm-hmm I mean are we just assuming that DK is always going mid
here probably not always maybe it depends also living on like what OG shows
sure I'd like what do you exactly want to counter pick and like what opening
do they end up giving you okay having that mixed damage between your carry
and your mids always gonna feel nice you know you're pretty much relying on
on less than a good blink timing, and then playing through every arena connecting,
every tombstone feeling like it's hurting Falcon's positioning, right?
It's not the craziest gameplay, but it's really scary if they can clean the execute in it,
but it's predictable gameplay.
Yeah. I mean, I could see different heroes now, like whether it's...
I mean, Mal'Reen Club isn't really, like, you know, the best, I would say.
I could see... I mean, there's one hero that I know is Sniper, which is Mars, quite heavily,
but it's a hero that Mal'Reen likes a lot.
I mean, you can play the DK mid, but I think you're also kind of happy if you play the DK carry now
And you pick like a new guy that slows down the Lush a little bit in the mid lane
I've no idea the matchup, but I was just like throwing a like a primal to the mid lane
I mean blade male heroes are kind of cool. I mean that's why I was leaning with the primal right?
Yeah, if you want you have BKB
She was just armored down the line as well to do with the clink's
You can just get into the middle of the fight and then open up
I think it's overall nice gameplay and it kind of fits like the Falcons ammo.
I think if that's just what they're looking for like a tank he do that goes in later. I think Primal fits
He doesn't stop Lash, but I think he's annoying later
Let's do your first method, okay?
Yeah, so I don't mind it. I think it's good like
It at least gives you the idea that you lane well against Lash and you can slow him down
I think the one guy that you need to be really careful about is the Mars
Like if you get arena, you are getting cooked on Sniper like there's no way
But is that not the argument of if Maureen's getting hit by the Mars, then there has been a fundamental error somewhere in Falcon's gameplay?
Because you've got a timber going up front, you've got an EK initiating, you're gonna have vision from your supports of course.
There's something gone wrong if OGs rely constantly on getting the CS on pick-off.
For sure, there's a lot of layers also. On OG, maybe the ledge goes in first, or you start with the kisses to show him.
Or you try to smoke around, but for Falcon, they're playing the opposite game.
We need to break the smoke, Maureen needs to stay safe.
You can show yourself first, both teams are going to play on this initial jump
without really showing their full position.
I will say that both teams, pretty much if you go before the game,
they might have this type of draft, you could put the logo on both the teams.
They got exactly what they want, this is their type of style for both drafts.
So I think OG are quite happy.
The problems that Falcons might create in this game will be fixed by items on OG.
There'll be eventual nullifiers to be thrown into the mix.
There's going to be Yopatch, Roshiba, and BKB to get tankier.
So if he is getting peeped by a sniper, he's not going to have it anymore.
And then Mars, like you said, will cover it.
Like, if OG is to hit this awkward window of how do we ever catch him, farm another item,
get a good smoke, you will eventually find him one time.
And if that one smoke connect is a kill into a Roshan or a kill into a big objective,
you can fix those problems, right?
So yeah, I think OG is going to be very happy.
I am just hesitant on what if things consistently go wrong.
What if you don't ever find that correct move?
I like game can get weird. Yeah, I like the pace that OG have but I will say that I believe in Falcons draft a little bit more
I think this timber is quite damn good against clean
So I mean we'll see it later
Of course if the early game isn't good and early deso can like destroy you but both sniper timber together
I think you have a lot of like capability to take over the game and sniper with the facet of scattershot
I think it's really hard for us to play into I've seen this match up a few times and I've seen
Lashes like fully explode especially to just one support rotation
Sure, but always the case with Falcon's lineup. When you have these type of cores, if their lanes don't go well, damage can be a problem, right?
Like a DK with a blink, that's not really damage. Sniper with like, only a Mousetron to his name, not too good.
So of course we'll have to see if Falcons can get the items to break the aggression of OG in this best of one.
the team to go undefeated.
Our analysts painted quite the
grim picture between these two
teams. Oh, G seemingly have a
bad history against Falcons,
but I'm a little disappointed
they should have started off
giving a shout out to OG for
being the only team to go
undefeated in day one of the
group stage. Avery. What's her
score now? Well, it's we
team can do. And I feel like we should probably set a trophy aside just for that, for maybe
future blasts. Also a big shout out to the OG fans who continue to keep us updated on
every single OG milestone. I do really appreciate that, but of course things have not gone so
well for them in day two. They're now four and two, unfortunately.
Could be five or three after this game though.
That's true.
some big dogs going there, estimated and Falcons going back to the Largo, but this time it's
on Crit. Can he make this hero work for them? I still think this hero should fundamentally
be good for their play style. So I'm all for them continuing to play and figuring out how
it works for them, who's on it, etc. But this is a Falcons lineup that has three carries.
It's three damage dealing cores that all want a lot of farm, that all want to deal a lot
of DPS. I think sometimes those lineups get them in a little bit of trouble. Like you
don't have enough utility it puts Skeeter in a position where you just got to go
blink DK and then go in and it's not the easiest game for him to do that against
it's a dying pick against some of the overall new magic damage early clings
can be hard to find so I kind of like what OGE got going like I would rather
play the lineup but I do think Alchins are incredibly skilled at playing the
type of lineup they have, which evens us out by a large margin. Yeah, I think what what you're saying
just makes the Largo pick even more of a question mark for this one because if you have that kind
of greediness across your cores and then you also have a support that isn't really a playmaking
support, it's a pretty passive and reactionary hero, is this going to leave Falcons with no
playmaking potential across their entire team, right?
That's what I think. I don't think there are a lot of...
I don't think it has playmaking, but what it does have is very oppressive cores
who can take a lane win and translate it into just running people down.
Like Sniper, if he wins mid, he's just threatening people with shrapnel, so you can rotate to him,
and you're just shrapnel, ulting people with one more nuke, they're dead.
Timber's pretty similar. Like we've seen ATF just run away with this hero for years now, you know
He doesn't need stuns. He doesn't need playmaking. He's just gonna kill you if he gets a good lead
So I do think a lot of this game comes down to those two on the lane
How much do they get and how much can they translate it into a
Precious playmaking just through net worth, but I don't think their lineup has it naturally
I do think that is a pure back beautiful
Timbs gives the cookie over to Nico the spear doesn't latch onto the tower
But it puts him in range of the tower and that is good enough
Oh, he's kicked out.
To what?
Like blood grenade?
Yeah, blood grenade.
Pretty dumb.
And then they'll get crit.
Trying to pull these waves, but very tough to pull.
This will die.
Just beating you up.
Skim did go to boots first, kind of identified this was going to be the gameplan against double melee lane.
Tough lane for this double melee lane.
Clink's on dying.
It's pretty disgusting.
This is a reportable lane right here.
very strong side lanes, and then if Yopaj can manage to come through in the mid lane, it's gonna be difficult.
Matchup against the sniper, it's a counter pick for sure, but Yopaj has shown that he can deal with some rough matchups
at times they both go for the deny on the water room.
But yeah, as long as Yopaj comes through decently in the mid lane, it looks like OG are gonna walk away from the laning phase with an all-around win.
Maybe this is too bold of a statement, but I think OG has been better in the laning phase
than Falcons have in this tournament.
And maybe in...
I think Falcons are very rusty right now, and I think OG has overperformed on lanes relative
to what I thought was going to happen draft wise.
They've just been outplaying people, particularly Yopash.
This is a very tough lane mid, and he's just owning it.
even keeping his regen high. Like this is gonna do so much for OG in this game that the Slesha is
having so much damage. Trying to cut down Skam, not quite good enough and now Mara's gonna take
a lot of damage with the tombstone out, throwing him down and Mara knows he's dead. He just gives
up on life. Grig, he's gonna go for a pull while his offlaner is gone but Skam's not gonna let him
do that, chases him away. He's faster here. One of the downsides, like playing a melee hero and
when you're 10 or 15 movespeed slower is just miserable.
Seems like it.
So Crit is not out of the best time down here with the Largo,
and this does raise the question,
is this the spot you want a support Largo,
and I'm going to say hard no on that one.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, unless I kind of thought this was going to be Snake Kings here,
I'm not Crit.
That's what I fully expected,
expected so I think they did this just for the lane matchup sure but I do agree
fundamentally it should be a snaking hero there's not a lot of playmaking
I don't know if that fits Chris.
Paul Reign he gave me to get a lead on the mid lane matchup as expected 26 and
8th compared to 21 and 4. Still though, the fact that Yopash hasn't died yet and has decent CS
kind of feel like that's a win. It's been very annoying for Yopash to try and get the
roots. Maureen's done a really nice job controlling where the wave is and then just denies water rooms,
mashing the lesh's movement. That part's going really well for him, but I still think Yopash is
getting a lot of CS here. So it's a good enough start for what is an absolute last pick sniper.
You just don't want to give this guy kills. You don't want to die to some cheeky rotations
It's another reason the side lane pressure counts for a lot here for OG
If they're threatening the DK and Timber it keeps these supports on the wave and then you can't do this
Like we're seeing now where both the supports start leaning towards mid getting the wards up trying to de-ward their
Directing this Lash because this is where sniper is scariest where these supports coming you get hit by the shrapnel into some nukes
You're just dead you get run down. That's getting on award
to the right of the board.
It's going to lead off on him.
It's got a blood grenade too.
It's going to be heavy.
Slow down.
You'll punch.
No chance of bleeding.
Wait.
Assassinations?
Hello?
All right.
We're going to let it loose now.
And finally it does get the kill.
The support rotations from OG might be able to get a kill somewhere.
And now Snaking's way too fast going down the river like that.
But yeah, that was a little awkward.
That was kind of weird by OG.
It's like Yopash knew that move was coming, but they didn't TP anybody preemptively and you can't react to this move.
The sniper kills you too fast. So yeah, you don't have to be there or just not be in the area at all and put the pressure on the sidelines.
Neither that was happening. OG give up that big kill. I don't know why Maureen canceled this out like four times, but
Maybe that's why they paused. It's like, yo, are you a good bro? What's going on there?
Maybe I don't know. Additional 150 gold off of the tombstone. So...
Mega value gets a regen room as well for the six minute. Yeah, I mean Falcons
Just got so much off of that one play and they're gonna kill things as well
Okay, well this is beginning to be very really really bad
This is just not this is exactly what's the sign of duty can't be giving these
these free
Again, that's why the sideline pressure is so important here. You don't want to let Falcons sit three heroes here
Well, they're two sidelineers are getting so much beef
This lead just completely exploded because of the sequence and I don't think OG supports reacted
most in any way. Like they wanted to set mid, gave up an extra kill, gave up a tombstone.
And this is the worst case scenario because either don't go mid at all and don't let the
side laners re-farm for your mid going on sleeper. So you don't let him go on your leash.
But they basically didn't either and now Falcons are gonna take a solid lead here
Very awkward sequence for them so these deep words around you to Falcons want to go back there
They do have the Timbersaw 6 and this is normally where
Either ATF just goes for the kill himself or he wants to call support down here to go for it
Because it's too easy for this man.
It is.
And dying is no longer a nuisance.
The clings is not much of a threat.
They're gonna come right back in though.
Maybe with one stun.
The cookie lands? Is that enough?
Amar, no timber chain to get out.
We'll die here.
I was a little greedy by him though.
He is literally no mana or single spell.
Maybe he wanted to trip the base on her.
That was pretty brazen.
It's like big power is gonna go down. It's going down. It's just going down.
And Sniper is such a...
It's insane actually. I think Sniper is the...
Oh, he's gonna get another freebie here. I don't know why they're just walking around. I mean he's trying to get the D-word. I respect that, but...
but the range of this hero is bonkers.
Fascination point blank will get the job done before Niko and TP away.
High guard.
He's only dude.
This is just...
Maury just taking the kill right now.
Last pick sniper, dirty.
He's real dirty.
Level 30 sniper player, even dirtier.
Yeah, the worst part is they do not have heroes to really hunt him down.
The best thing they had would have been Yopash getting a decently timed blink dagger, right?
And a blink on this sniper with maxed-out diabolical, he did 100 to 0 and pretty well, but the last
strike is having the worst game of everybody on OG here.
Trying to pressure Amar and his tower, but it's so late and it's into the game at this
point of Mar with two levels of reactive armor, two bracers, a soul ring. He is a hard target to bring down.
This is the lane you want to be trying to get the kill on. I feel like again the rotation was
to go top preemptively and just drop to him so non-detained. Whether or not, like arena available.
It's very awkward game for OGEans early on. In terms of where to apply pressure, I think the sniper
really messed up their idea of how they wanted to play the lanes. The pressure just came on too quickly.
And he gets you sometimes, you know? The whole, haha, not the first team to get got by this guy.
What do you think about ShadowBlade? It's a build up for Sniper. I was looking at it, it
can be really strong if you can continue rotating. So if you're on the map,
You can always go Silverage later, pretty nice this game, maybe get you out of a Clink's
Gank or a Tombstone Gank or something.
With the slow they added in to that item, I feel like we're going to see a lot more
of these ranged carries pick up Shadow Player Silverage.
That's a fair point.
off of supports here coming back through the gate. Oh gee. Imagine they want to be all
the fight around Tombstone Arena. They got to be real careful of this sniper. Definitely
do not want to get this tower. Looks like so dying. Should be a good fight for you if
you can get all your spells out. Mars D being in almost right on top of them falcons is
backed away but it looks like Niko is going to be able to get Maureen inside of the arena.
Perfect stuff now they drop a tombstone Maureen doesn't go down easy, but he will go down nonetheless
Not soon he gets chased down by a mar despite them fighting the opening on the sniper
Valchums are still able to fight back here snaking fighting for his life the zombies the zombies one more hit five
Hp is what he lives on meanwhile a mar going for the dives
Underneath the tower quite low. He's got to be careful. You'll pause you'll pause no items to work with here just levels
Diabolik eat it after a mar and gets cut down by the chakram instead of the diabolik eat it doing the damage quicken up a mar.
Read the situation better than Yopah.
I think that position April Ballerina was pretty terrible to be honest with you.
He was literally just sitting on the tree line at the sniper.
The only reason you're able to get that arena.
But even with an arena on the sniper, which is the best case scenario, you still just get decimated in the next team fight.
That's a very concerning side for OV.
You're not gonna get that opportunity a lot of times in this game.
So, have to capitalize on those moments.
Blink Mars will definitely help you a little bit in this mid-game, but...
Man, ATF just cleaning house with the damage there.
Skim was also mega strong in that fight with ult plus Tombstone, Decay's, he's maxed it.
He had so much HP to work with, but he just gets isolated on the back.
They'll put my macro in like double core, so he's creating all the space, attracting
all his attention, but nobody can really use it.
I don't know, Marr, maybe not ending up wearing one or two of you with that timber chain.
This should be fine.
In fact, he's still gonna go after Skenn.
Skenn trying to dodge these chakras.
Not sure what Skenn's idea here was exactly, because clearly, not too many didn't want
to keep going.
I think we're just trying to survive and zombies chasing the frogs I do want to note that crit
has started maxing out crocogenes now we've seen the the core Largos they go you know
440 to kill the support ones I feel like are still going more levels of lick and frog
But uh, Crit is opting for Crocodile is pretty early on into his build.
He wants to throw it on his timber. Yeah.
Start up into the buffs of the damage here, can't blame him.
Well the big kill top, he'll catch the sniper again, Maureen over-extending, so does set him back.
That is always the thing with snipers, he dominates these early games but,
I think if you ask a lot of mid players they'll still say this hero's garbage.
He's a very strange hero. He is simultaneously incredibly oppressive and can make games feel like they're just over and then also do absolutely nothing after that.
Because the hero is fundamentally kind of in a trash. So you need these big early leads to make up for the fact that the hero is pretty underwhelming in his damage scales.
pretty terribly it takes a long time for him to ramp up compared to almost any of
the right-click core so even though Falcon's got off this insane start though
to me the lead is not as big as it looks like on paper especially if they give up
some big core kills here in some 5-1-5 teamfights which is OG specialty and
their line of specialty you get some good arenas here with two stone now these
This course can die pretty quickly.
They get hit by the rotten mitts and just that damage amp goes to work.
Also behind in objectives, which just did the Falcon safe lane tower, but the main tower
is still there as well.
So they can't actually win those fights and even out the objectives.
That'll help bring that net worth back to zero.
And now Tumi's still firing really well.
I mean, he's got a pretty solid needle thing there.
Deso's up. He has some early charges. This please can get it fall.
Keep the game approaching.
Oh, again, get it die again.
Hit in the back with a banjo.
I do not think, uh,
Undying is a scam here.
Well, that's your opinion, man.
He just doesn't farm.
He just doesn't farm enough.
I think what makes skim better as a five position than most other fives is the fact that he
is able to find farm and scale up and I'm dying really doesn't do that for you.
Maybe look at Amar, not by a big smoke gank from OG, can they turn that into a tower?
Because they've got a clink, so it should be pretty quick.
this
one fight this
to run around here like they do with this night for me to try to get the
money into a history like that like this to bring straight on the Maori
Maori has no way out. Yeah, this this seems
like a bad read from Falcons
maybe they didn't think the pace is no less along for that
would be that quick to just jump sniper but yeah you really have to be careful
about showing what's like from scheme make sure your team is with you you're
ready to take that fight just oh oh geez guys there's a C team you gotta
remember that I think you know some of these teams are like oh it's another
Western European teams are used to playing as European OGs
because Halport the way successfully before a skater can get here with his
Blink Dagger. We haven't really seen too much of Skeeter, but he's got
Farmlit Blink Dagger Masked Man, so expect him to start being active.
He really wants to get on top of the clinks, or Lesh. Just stomp him into all the
follow-up damage. It's kind of an ideal teamfight for him.
Look, two-man smoking. Trying to find the clinks, he's not a well-known.
Oh gee, maybe they're gonna try to bait this out a bit even.
Oh, no counter play. Okay. I mean, they have an early mech on this snap.
Their 5 on 5 is really strong. They have a lot of HP to work with here.
A lot of damage with the Clink's follow-up.
They could just give the right initiation with Niko. The smoke is gonna break, he's gonna jump down.
Orina only gonna catch Jakiro here.
He's gonna die, Tombstone is out, and Falcons start backing away.
Throw some damage at Chris, but Natsumi, Natsumi did not reckon with this very well.
Does managed to get some fuel south, back up to half HP.
Maureen trying to lick him away, but Yopage sticks to him.
Jump forward from Skeeter, but the Masked Adam still didn't have the stuns.
Can't finish off Natsumi.
Natsumi is going to live.
He starts off that fight almost instantly going down to half HP.
But between some death packs and some soul ribs, he stays alive through it all.
But that's the exact type of fight OG are looking for. Start off with arena. Skeeter tried to blink onto, like, they're back on at the same time and his form runs out.
So he's just kinda useless that entire play. Just got help me over it and his cooldown killed him and then this, this tune stone just decimates that entire exchange over the long run.
There's five or six zombies on everybody.
These melee cores cannot play into the sublime.
If you just running around and flesh gold, slowing them.
Putting zombies on, getting the amp.
I mean, look at Skeeter on this bottom.
He gets a shield,
who tries to blink on the flesh, but Yopage,
he's too fast.
He just outplays you.
Now you're out of the fight, completely.
You're done.
If you had DK on his claims,
it could be flip very different for Falcons,
but instead, you have to take this fight
without your carry effectively.
And the whole time you're trying to bail out the sniper,
the tombstones running, the soldiers are running, and Yolpaj is just running you down.
That's an easy fight for OG, honestly.
They really make this clink's work, man. I don't see any other team perform as well with this hero
as OG, as a team. Natsumi plays it really well, but they know how to back this hero up and draft
around it and go in aggressively with them.
And I think a lot of other teams don't execute nearly as well.
They've got the teamfight strength and they take the objectives.
They're going to be scattered on this one.
They're going to try and catch some heroes as they go through.
They go straight for the clings.
Bad time for Natsumi.
What a trap laid out by Falcons.
They'll get them two kills.
That was super well played with this deep ward.
They're going through the gate, though, and Miko's here on the other side, but it's an agonimceptor done for Amar, so Miko's through the gate first, but they can't do anything to him.
You have to kill that tormentor.
It was very nice warding an objective play from Falcons to get the subjective out of OG's hands.
That's a favorite teamfight for OG, but they're able to sneak it away.
I can't be askew with everybody.
It's coming to me, though. They're going to smoke back to it. They got the spear on the Maureen.
So both sides had the corner awards that will find the pick-off better for Falcons.
What?
What was that?
I don't know.
I don't know why Snake Inc came back.
What?
I can't believe he made it back through again, but did he actually go back through completely?
I think so.
Which is insane.
I need to play that at some point.
That's the most psychopathic thing I've ever seen from this guy.
And I see a lot.
Skeeter, is that OG continuing to hunt down Falcons members?
They're just outplaying them all the time.
All these little pickoffs.
There's a full DKB on the Smars now.
Lock it on the Andeans.
They're just ramping the HP up.
Trying to support this Lash.
And Clinkz just keeps them alive.
Yeah, I think OG's itemization is just so damn good.
I think that is what makes this team really good right now.
They always have such a clear idea of itemization across the board, and here we're seeing it again.
I like this Mech Locket from the supports.
Tim's even holding onto that Lotus.
This is what these, you know, frontline damage dealers need,
because the lesion clings have to go into the middle of the fight.
I mean, it's how the heroes function, but they are up against a lot of damage.
If you can just keep them alive, you'll win that fight.
So that's what this itemization is about.
and silver edge rushed and done from all reading I can't I can't believe he
finished silver edge so yeah I don't know about that I mean you needed char in
this game like the flesh I guess soon as he has blink dagger I feel like you
should be trying to get a shard they said also hurricane pike is a very big
item in this matchup maybe it's worried about like trying to dodge out arena
The slow can be nice, but you're gonna have it up at the point where they're starting to build BKBs
Your TPS is kind of low
Basically if this ends up keeping him out of arena, it'll be worth it. If he gets caught in arena anyway, then
He's just gonna instantly die
It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work for him.
Falcons and hope that skier could sit in the fight. They just will expire here, but they also picked up a gem
So it's a big deal all these little kills that would you get right now?
They're running around with a gem. They're gonna de-word all of your ops
At what point do you think Falcons? Oh Nico just goes straight to it the agonist after does go off there from a Marseille
Even that is the one thing. Oh, do you really got to be careful?
messing with this Timbersaw.
Like, it's the one hero that could cause them some troubles,
but outside of that, when do you feel like Falcons line up
is able to fight back?
Is it now the ages to expire?
Do you think they can take teamfights,
or is there a later item timing that they need to focus on?
I think Skeeter of the Ghibli, you can take a fight.
But that fight comes down to the initiation of the log.
He has to jump the correct target,
Which I think are options. I think it's undying honestly if you can jump and kill him without him getting anything off
That is acceptable or it's the clinks
You might be able to win a fight by again all any Niko
But I do not know how realistic that is
Yeah, dude as BKB
200 HP. If you try and all in him and you don't do enough, you're gonna be in a world of hurt.
But basically going with this BKB DK, you shouldn't worry too much about the magic damage and you're
looking to take either the big blind out or really find this Kleks who can still be bursted out
with a lot of the long range damage in this falcon zap. But you have to have the disable
on pop-up not too much to make that happen. And they've been bailing him out too. I mean,
you can get like an undying charge in this game. It's going to cause that single stun
initiation on a lot of issues. Arena can block sniper hits. I'm not convinced by
Falcons position at all right now.
First of the tier 2's down, Alpos can't be taken, Uji, they're just going to keep sweeping
across, they take mid next, there's instant double DKB, so they lined it up perfectly here,
they're going to have one on the timber, one on the DK, both their frontliners are going
ignore a lot of this slash damage a lot of this snapfire damage so now it really
is about finding the clinks at some point in this fight who just found an
amp damage room in the river you have to find a carry I mean this it's all in on
this clink absolutely wreck your face oh Marr missed the timber chain there but
he was thinking about going in about trying to get a reaction out of the
MOG they respond Niko misses the spear they go after him trying to tail goes out
Good force now, trying to get Neagle away, and he got off the BKB,
either turn around now or get greener, and look at Teeter,
just get shredded by the burning army.
The skeletons aren't able to do quite enough of BKB TP away from this clink.
Meanwhile, Yopaj, he went in, and he went after Maureen.
He'll die for it though, as will be undying.
Skim tried to back him up.
Despite the damage being out there with the amp damage,
it was just not quite enough to kill the Dragon Knight,
And then the claims had to TP out because the pressure from Amar.
That was an incredibly chaotic fight after, again, jumping the Mars.
That's such a tough jump because they have abilities to fail.
Now he's not going to die that fast.
You kind of sacrifice your position.
I'm kind of surprised not to be TP out there.
He was a lot stronger than.
You know, TP now kind of showed a lot of damage,
but it was unable to slay this high armor DK.
That was a very scary fight for Falcons.
I think they got out of there with more than they should have, but shows you the strength
of their two tanky boys on the front line, man.
These guys can absorb some hits.
You combine that with the, we talked about this, the tanky trio cores that Falcons like
to run combined with a Largo.
The effective HP kind of goes off the charts if you can't burst somebody down.
It's pretty nasty.
All of a sudden this Timber, he's top net worth in the game 9 and 3.
Got to steal your wisdom trying to push himself to level 20 here.
I'm assuming we'll take it on the other side.
She gets level 19 off of that and he's working towards his Daedalus.
They don't seem to be different.
Yeah, combined with level 20, big, big, upgraded damage.
Oh, gee, they want to fight that.
He could be on your posh, so that's...
It's the big ticket here.
He's gonna try and jump this sniper, and there is not a lot.
Oh, he's gonna be able to do about it.
Probably just trying to ignore ATF, and ATF, he knows this, so he's just going in there.
He's like, I dare you to jump here.
That's a tough call, because it is worth, but you don't know if he has buyback going into this rushway. It's not worth it if he has buyback.
instead Falca's a get an insanely good high girl position
5-18 initiation
so fast
really early if you die
yeah failing to find it, this team fight kinda sets the game
in motion one direction or the other, whoever wins this takes Roshan
whoever gets Roshan kinda starts taking over the game
full teams know how important this initiation is
His dragon form is gonna go down at some point.
Something that OG can maybe play for here.
The skaters just gonna jump in, they spot James,
and they go for him.
The arena goes out, a spear back onto Amar.
Skater, try not to try to finish off the snapfire.
With the arena causing him some issues,
the assassination, Tim's lives through it all.
And Amar is now at half HP, activates the agatom scepter,
though as the clutures go in after him.
Ylpaj, once again, going after Mal-Reed.
That's his one and only target in these fights.
He blinks after Maureen, and he kills them every single time.
Falcons on a retreat with a mass of zombies chasing after the nail part.
Going after a Maura, BKB activated, jump back in from Skeeter.
Going after the police, a spear back though.
That's gonna help not to be big time.
He has to turn and fight where he can, and it's not good enough.
Maybe the damage will rack up on Skeeter eventually.
They do manage to get that kill, but losing the clink is gonna hurt for OG.
Still though, chasing down more heroes, they're gonna get crit.
Now going after the final member, which is Snake King, a spearback.
Stopping that one, it's going to be a team wipe.
Say a team fight for them.
So many small saves and kiting techniques to draw Falcons in, waste their FKB durations,
and then the biggest thing is, like you call Lesha on top of the sniper, if that happens,
the fight's going to be hard for Falcons because he just jumps on PKBs and
there is no disengage there from all rings.
So look at that sniper damage, it's nothing man, 700.
You know, that is the difference.
You cannot play the fight, even with the frontliners going in.
Yopash played that perfectly.
7000 damage coming up from that Lesh.
He's the damage leader.
Everything you want from this,
just like Lager pick Lesh mid that it's just delivering
in the team fight.
And I got a question, like where's the hurricane pike?
Where's the shard?
You know, this build, this silver edge,
straight into agonimceptor, no mobility whatsoever
for Maureen is really screwing into these fights.
I'm not a fan of this.
I also just don't really like Hags on a Seerul unless you rush it.
I think it's a timing-based item in terms of like taking
your early game lane advantage and snowballing it more.
I don't think it's that powerful an item
with 4,000 gold, who later on cares.
So I have not feel in this life of it right now,
but OG, they are feeling this game.
They have some, they just have all the save up.
The tombstone shard did so much work there because again you have to jump in with a single target stun
It goes on Tim's he gets thrown in the tombstone. He just sits in there for like 10 seconds
Nobody wants to kill it. It's just racking up zombies. It's saving your team. I mean
It's a problem for this falcon's order
They're all reliant on the DK. Maybe you can't do it all
Nice little trap set up there from Amar does some damage to clings not enough to take away the ages though not enough
to get a real response out of them spear back he got the agatem scepter though
good poke from OG Nico not getting hit with the stun the agatem scepter is still
not done for Maureen
oh she wishes they could get a nullifier here somewhere but just don't
really have it here look at build it they do have a ULT as well
Maybe Tim's can use it or something, but it's kind of hard for him to run in.
He wills this aggs at the right time.
They're just going to try and ignore it honestly.
The big upgrade, Natsumi finally hits both his Daedalus and his level 20, so more attack
speed, more damage, and the only way that Falcons can really win a teamfight against
OG is all-aiding Natsumi, which is now out the window with his Aegis.
So, feels like Falcons are just gonna have to dodge fights and wait for a high ground push.
Starting to look aggressively with these clings.
It's always dangerous running in these spots. They have some Sentry Ward trap, you just gotta die.
But they just give you some confidence right now.
I would almost rather them just go hit high ground because their high ground is so dangerous.
They got burning army, right?
like
I think Falcons high ground defense is okay, but I also think OG's high ground attack is quite good
It's pretty good if you're willing to drop some like tombstone spells early if the promise to go in high ground casually against snipers
Pretty tough
I feel like all the games I've watched them, they'd rather just take the fight.
They'd rather hunt you on the map.
Sure.
Especially with Clinkz, he's such a scary hero that you don't see a lot of the time.
He makes you clump a bit more, he's going to naturally build that network lead.
You can make the two or three man move and leave him off map and it seems as if you're
making a four or five man move.
There's a lot of keyboards right now.
And they do have a refresher completed on Niko,
so double arena available.
It's a pretty big deal,
assuming you can get the mana for it and...
Anything else?
I mean, Shiva's for Yopah,
she's also pretty big,
so these late team fight items are there for you.
They're not really missing though.
SnakeAid's gonna be hunted here,
got off the Tupper Toy,
turn her on ice path.
Now let's see if he can slip away into the night.
Yopash spots him with a shiva, gets him with a stun.
Well played up by Yopash.
There's an initial pick off.
I'm gonna need more to confidently hit high ground,
but they do start heading to where Amar is.
I have to know where he's going here.
Following the trochrums, got him on the spear.
See if they can burst him down, refresh,
but the DKB goes off with the acronym,
Except for protecting Amar, he's staying alive.
Another timber chain up, a little bit of distance.
Niko can blink after him.
Felt like it wasn't the play.
Yopah is still trying to catch him,
but not cut it off Amar.
He barely survives.
Niko just botched that.
Yeah.
I mean, if he spearchains him there, he's dead 100%.
He just didn't have the mana.
He popped our fresher and this item's so expensive now.
You don't have mana. It's 400 mana.
And he just didn't soul ring fast enough.
Cause like one of those things, he's trying to refresh her into second spear
and then he doesn't have mana, so you just cast it.
And then by the time he's exposed to soul ring, he can pop that.
So...
Time to buy a...
Time to buy a soul booster, you know?
Hock the ring build up.
OG grouping up. Daedalus done for Skeeter, so there's a pretty big damage upgrade.
Yes, you could actually get those hits in. The problem being the arenas is such a nuisance for Dragonite and his dragon form.
It's very difficult for Falcons to aggressively start a fight.
Very difficult into Tombstone save, Cookie, Force Staff, Serena.
You almost have to let OG go into you?
which that's scary in its own way because if they're going into you and there's some poppy or sniper you're kind of sad so
You almost have to try and beat them in like I wouldn't be surprised if Falcon
Hope that ojigo high ground or like force or you know force some aggressive play to them on a ward
And they can kind of let the fight develop into them
And especially if it's some bait on the timber like if they go I think the ideal player falcon is the timber gets gone
And a more survives the 100%
Because then the fight becomes a lot easier for the sniper DK. I think this idea of smoking into OG and just skidding or jumping somebody is
Is not gonna work out unless you completely faint
Like you can jump stun some dude in instant run away
Try and fade out spells. I guess that is in theory like I mean it's kind of laughable, but this is a real
Discussion that like these teams have you know, it's like we're gonna jump initially, but it's not a real go
Like we need to jump to fake the go to get them to commit to a fight new stuff and then we take the fight
Maybe that's an option here. It's it's very tricky
Bottle drop so we've got an amp damage
For this period of time
So unlikely to do anything with it though, I imagine they're gonna wait for another ages before they go high ground
Oh yeah, no way you go high ground without Aegis's game.
There's way too much damage on the side of Falcons.
Again, that's the fight they're hoping you take into that.
I think Wind Wakers for OG would also go big here.
They could manage to get up, maybe even just one on somebody.
being able to bail out whoever gets jumped or stunned in these fights is a massive deal for
dodging all the damage on the side of falcons as they're going in. I mean they, this DK Timber
hurt if they can get onto you. You're not underestimate the burst damage here.
This was their best opportunity to get a pick off. The dragon bail went out. It's gonna go
Across the map to catch up to Tim's it still hits me right?
That's a DK for
and he did not get enough of Marge and get off the BKB, now he gets it off.
The Amp damage almost came into play there,
Natsumi was actually going to threaten Amara's life.
Entered if he had died because Tim's got a cookie to his body.
Look at the word sentry, look at the word sentry, they got it.
Murray, Murray went outside the base.
Oh, no, why are you there, son?
I don't even know because the rest of the team backed up.
What was he looking for exactly?
Looking for a prayer.
In this game this sniper pick he started for though, and he's pouring
They're gonna drop the banner. I mean no sniper for the high ground defense. Why not?
They don't need the ages if there's no sniper also
Yeah
Open back in Niko
They're gonna help you out of damage, but there goes all the heels and there goes tier three
So the question is how much is OG going to take with this?
He's just a lane of erics back up.
They jump in, he goes, spear back.
Kills crit, a beautiful kill to get at the start.
Cooking out, they jump in from the dragonite, going straight for Natsumi.
There's the arena, they're trying to hold this hero in the place.
Four staff, four staff, pushing Natsumi out of the way.
He drops a burning army, and skaters could be stunned up underneath.
All those skeletons, the rest of the team could not follow him.
To finish off the claims, Amar running in after STEM will manage to get back killed.
to get back killed, the kids is running into the back line where Yopaj trying to chase down
these heroes, Maureen with no BKB is going to die to Yopaj yet again. He has been food
for this last track the entire game and OG just close it out. They wipe Falcons inside
of their own base. No real buybacks to work with here, it's just a mar and snake king.
Certainly not enough to stop OG from ending this game unless Yopaj over Yopaj. Yover says
a little bit nice tombstone save and he's dead though. Link Dagger still on
cooldown though he won't be able to blink out. Well, it throws a little bit of falcon's way.
Yeah, something though. Just a very disjointed fight from them overall.
Like they lose Maury in weird ways. The DK does get the jump on the clinks and gets to lay in
for a full stun, but there was no other big core damage followed. That's what was missing there.
a little dangerous okay they got the crit instead he's gonna say they want to
initiate on a mara that's a little spooky they're giving a mara the
opportunity to get some more kills off of this one Nico he's gonna die now he's
got to grab on the not to me not to me has to be KB and he just has to TP out
this this has become weird now but with a buyback being used by crit that now it
means Falcons have the numbers advantage for Roshan oh gee really just through
cat sequence. They should reset, play for Roche, skimp sneaks in, they're skilled to
jet, I guess that's something. How do they lose Roche? They fight Falcons for
climax and then lost to Roche?
Oh, that was a nice throw for them. Now this game looks spectacular, oh yeah.
They're a marge. They win a marge team or something. He's the best player on this
hero in the world for a reason.
Okay, well, OG is still quite favored, but they've given Falcons a second chance at
this one.
The game now with the Aegis in hands kind of implies the game's going to go on at least
another five minutes, which means Maureen may actually have a chance to get BKB in
this game.
Maybe that changes the interaction between him and Leshrac, which has been completely
one-sided since like 10 minutes I will say this silver edge is the worst
defensive item against the Lesh because all his spells just hit you even if you
go in this anyway so it is really not work down this has been a pretty miserable
game he's about to fall behind this
Oh boy. I mean at least a margot a kill in the meanwhile he kills the undying.
I
Look I understand going for some like yellow pickoff plays you feel like this game is kind of
Screwed anyway. Yeah, but that was just that was just so poorly timed like he's killing it as it's warm
I'm out and then yes the slot in DKB on the age of death
Sometimes it's just not a highlight real it's a low like really you know
yep one of those games for Falcons where not a lot has worked out for them
outside of that very early sniper late presence now all of a sudden oh jeez back
of the driver's seat immediately tens a second go on him Nico comes in and is the
arena gonna fail amount of spears back to Chikiro Chikiro's dead a Mars still
working on this kill in the sapphire dust man should get it stun goes out
another
Dragonite and Timbersaw both stunned
Just beautiful stuff from Nico
Look at all the creepers, just pathetic, man. They got the kill on Yopage, but he got it.
I think it's
It's easy to say here that this was not the best sniper game in the world
No, this is what I'm saying is heroes garbage like you really have to play perfect with the zero off of the early lane
When to make this year work otherwise
He's just so underwhelming and oh you take advantage of it
I mean that that Mars gameplay was beautiful the tombstones are beautiful and not so many clinks
You have banned this shit man. He's too good
He is he is indeed Matt now puts OG at a score of five and three
I have one very important question to ask you guys, does that count as a rapier purchase?
As the ancient was exploded, I just saw a rapier port.
The stats will say he bought it.
But you need it for like the fight, otherwise it's like I can do that too, you know, it's
like you make it look cool, but it's not cool.
So would you minus one on rapier purchases from him?
This is not like a real like a career divine purchase, you know, it's like people in like
a few years I like this guy bought right here 88 times he did not 87 minus one
minus one how dare you ruin the stats like that now see me a great gameplay
from OG they had the aggression they had the heroes to go into Falcons of
course there was the point in which snipe the laning versus Lashite is
something to be scared about you know you are gonna see the early CS advantage
Maureen had but OG identified that create those little team synergy moments to
just out fight Falcons in some really critical moments like they definitely
cooked them in like the like very early game right like the lane and like the
first early moves Malrin had a really good advantage but I will say so I
don't think this hero is bad I think he has a right place right time I think in
this game it absolutely can work and especially with him going like first
item shadow blade then still finding himself like getting caught this many
times I just think it's not normal he's usually very good like both him and Amar
if they're in like prime form they're really hard to like to kill or to pick
them off on the map but in this game not at all and whenever I watch OG if I feel
like they have this opportunity to take over like the early to mid game even if
I feel like it might not it may not be easy they always make it happen so I
feel like when you play against a team you need to fight back into them because
look what happens otherwise like Natsumi on his claims and Niko on the Mars you
need to be able to fight and they're just gonna pick you off left right and
center. Yeah they are making Natsumi feel so comfortable in this game like every
highlight we see here if you look at the net worth the entire time Natsumi
top of the net worth doing great leading the charge and then you have all these little layering right you've got cookies and
Zombies and arenas and then you've got less right to body the frontline to open up for the clings to find is engaged
We've got tombstones and just all the nuisance and throughout all of that that seems like all right. You're not dead
Let me reposition you're not dead until thousands to start a fight
It's DK jumping in or timber just existing in the front line right like it's very
Let you know how heroes gonna die one of those two heroes will step up
And if you see them, Clinkz will never be scared, right?
Because the vision is key.
And that's to me, again, 10, 3, 15 on his Clinkz.
But again, I think it's a supporting cast.
If the team doesn't play as well as they do in the fights,
you're not going to see Natsumi step up like this.
He is going to have to have other problems and itemization
changes, but his team always enables
him to feel like he can just pump out what was in the end.
52,700 damage.
Yeah, and those are some good numbers.
And especially if you just look, it's not just
how they play individually, but their team fighting
together right before you say, also, their positioning,
understanding like you have the Holy Lockhead on like they're undying and you
just have like some of these fights here look how it starts you just have
Nico going in first but I want to point people's eyes onto Natsumi because he
goes he doesn't tunnel him on the sniper he drops gigalo HP but there's like I
think there's a mech there's a magic wand he uses the death pack he gets low
this by like everyone because you have Falcons that I've turned around and try
to kill him but actually that's the reason why Scam and Yopush on the side
and it's actually get to like clean up like this is a desol clean so just like
baiting everything and like killing the entire game because Falcons I think
Usually they're very good at like choosing like their first one or two fights
But in this game it didn't seem like it at all like a mark
He was kind of owning really hard, especially in this fight
He's like taking all two heroes on his own
But it kind of doesn't matter because you lost the fight prior and now it's just kind of hard for them to play
I mean the first fight Falcon's loose like already had a shadow day
He's playing to hide from the initiation, but he gets found right like that is a sniper that you don't want to be in that position
And then on the side of that it's like even if I'm lost during well
Well, there was damage from them.
So we said that.
That's one thing with Falcon's Light.
If they don't have the items at the right time,
damage will be a big thing.
Like it's a great timber game, but DK Sniper,
they can sometimes feel like they're watching
the game progress rather than-
They're very slow.
Yeah, exactly.
And like when we talk about Sniper,
we have the screenshots as well of like his net worth, right?
Like when you look at, that's this minute mark, right?
We spoke about his laning phase.
He has 1700 net worth lead at the 10 minute mark.
He fast forward to now, he's now bottom of the course.
Fast forward again, another 13 minutes later,
he still hasn't really progressed.
He gained like 6,000 gold in the 13 minutes.
He never overtook another court and that's it again.
So the highlights that you showed,
if Malrin didn't get caught by the arena,
if he positioned in a different place,
and maybe they took the fight,
if they didn't fight in the river outside Russia
and also die, maybe Malrin would have continued climbing
on that net worth, but the shadowedly purchase
led to him dying, I'd say led to it,
but like it kind of didn't help.
Really, it was supposed to help,
but it kind of like, it didn't.
Yeah, so it's like, I think everything is built on,
Sniper's meant to crush Leshrac.
It didn't. Everything falls apart. I mean, that's the easiest summary of the game.
Yeah, and then like his itemization, I feel like he found himself in like this weird, like depressive item build in a way where you're going to Shadowblade,
then you're dying a bit too much. You don't really get to like this shard plus BKB timing or like shard pike BKB where you can then get out.
Because then Nico, he just had his number all game. They jump him and it was just really hard for him to play.
And usually I'm, I will say I'm a bit disappointed in his performance because I expect more.
He's a 24 pick. He recently got like level 30 on the hero and Dota plus. Like he's got the games to back it up.
But not this time.
How many level 30s are you sporting right now?
I'm on like four maybe.
Okay.
Got Darkseer, Badrider, Faces Void.
I'm missing one.
Nature's Prophet.
Okay.
All right, fair.
My issue is my third level 30s, it's Ogre, Sparebreaker.
So I kind of look stupid as fuck.
I'll be real.
Like, you're like the brain dead guy.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, look at me.
I'm playing Dottier.
But luckily I've got like Grimstroke, Warlock.
All those crystal million, which they're coming up.
They're like 29, 20.
They're soon to be on the list.
You know I have some heroes that do more than just
I'm the Charger guy.
I like to start the fight for my life. I like to go in.
Outside of that, you were talking about creativity, flair, personality.
I miss the golden days of Dota 2.
Just look at this clip. I'm missing more players who have personality, who clown on their opponents.
They're going on you, you TP out, you drop the spray. First of all, S tier spray.
Second of all, Nico, he does this a lot.
this a lot. I'm missing the days of voice lines, of guild sprays, of putting it into
your opponent's face and just making it happen. What if, I feel like Dota could be so much
more fun, what if there was a small prize pool, you know, the best team at voice lining,
the best team at spraying. I want more interaction in the game instead of just like, oh yeah,
and you know, you play your game, you do yourself nothing, and then you have an interview, yeah,
it was good, I feel good we won. I want to see some more from the time.
It's worth it. It's worth it. You win the game and then it's like, take the webcam, bam,
into the bins like congrats man you just want a game show some thing but yeah I agree I
feel like there should be more you know something but again not too far like they
can't be like cocky arrogant and it becomes cringe find the line become
tasteful in how you want to express yourself but don't you can become like
nowadays Omar not like first year Omar where every game you all chat and you're
like your opponents like noobs and like I'm at foot with I want to see the banners
more I like I feel like changing an image on a banner and throwing it down in
That's what I want. That's cool shit, but we just don't see it exactly. I want like the OG days
You know the OG EG you have some banners you block people off you spray them on the ground. It's like loser whatever
I want that. I want that. Well, luckily, we probably aren't gonna get that I say instantly because we might get it one of the next
Yeah, it's me, but these are very official teams. You know SpirxG there. They're respectful. They show
maturity and and all this jazz so
What are we leaning towards are we are we thinking either team tree again?
Whenever you say these names in the same game, I feel like it's meant to be a banger.
Like, it always has the energy of the long game, the beautiful, like, it has every element to it.
Yeah, like, to me, I'm a bit disappointed, like, not disappointed, but like,
Spirit aren't looking as good as I feel like they should.
Like, coming into the series where it's XG, to me, they were a little more cold before,
but they're actually looking better the more and more I see them play.
Because Spirit themselves, like, I always see them as like, even when they're playing with a stand
now like you know I second to being like the top three do well in the groups keep
learning from like every game and like take it there but they're not showing
that to me yeah and I think my concern for spirit is whenever you listen to any
broadcast it's always spirits to come back team let the team they can do it
they're always doing it well it's just not really a thing right ever since the
post-ca era I'm sure we had an old graphic for that as well in previous
slams yeah where it just wasn't the case anymore same thing again at this slam
right now they are yet to make a comeback I think XG and Navi are the only two
teams to actually even make 10k, 15k gold comebacks. Every other team is yet to do it.
So it's like, XG, they're the comeback team. Navi, they're the comeback teams so far in
the best of ones at this slam. But Spirit are yet to show that tenacity that we've often
seen where the 34-50 minutes, it's like, ah, your tour is going to do it. Collapse is going
to do it. There's going to be something. They feel like a normal team. A good draft, win
the game cleanly, but that comeback mechanic isn't in their favor, at least in this slam.
No, for sure. And there's also something I want to show, because I did some digging.
because they lost a game in 15 minutes to Mousesports yesterday.
And first of all, like you talk about...
It's a traffic, by the way.
Yeah, like you talk about like comebacks, right?
And it's like, if you somehow find a way where the game exploded this hard, obviously there's
no comeback to be had.
And I checked, this hasn't happened to like Yatoro collapse while they played under Team
Spirit.
The last time Yatoro giggied out of a game before minute 18 is in like 2019.
That's like six or seven years ago.
So like seeing this, it was kind of strange
because they got bodied so hard
and usually their strength is to like,
sure, you sometimes lose the lanes, right?
They play for like the later stages or whatever.
In one fight, they'll try to play for.
Exactly.
And there's like a difference between losing
and getting bodied.
Like they got thrashed in that game against Miles.
But do you think that's a product maybe
of how this group stage is like,
you rewarded for getting the top two
and then knowing that like,
there's gonna be the last chance
as that kind of safety net.
Do you think their mentality,
they get a little bit too relaxed
and it creates these moments of rather than looking,
playing for the extra time, playing for the...
Again, I didn't perfectly cover that series,
so I didn't see the conclusion of it,
but is there a world where they're kind of being too relaxed
due to the lack of elimination?
And in reality, they need to be on their A-game
every single minute to be able to progress deeper into playoffs.
It could be, maybe this, with the fact that you're playing
with a stand-in, so maybe it feels a little less official
than normal when you're with your main roster.
But even then, players of that caliber,
a team of that caliber, you don't really expect them
to get phased by random things that don't really
directly correlate with the game.
So I'm just expecting more and them to step it up,
because even when they have a stand-in,
or when they change something in their team,
they always show up into the later stages of the tournament.
But if they show more gameplay like they did yesterday,
then they're in trouble.
Well, let's see what they're able to create for themselves
in this upcoming draft.
Now, the real question I have to ask you, Kezzy, have you been impressed with...
I mean, let's see, he had some of, I haven't made up my mind yet.
I mean, obviously it's hard when you have to slot into like, you know, a team like this and players like this, because he's young, he doesn't have the most experience.
I feel like it's important that he gets to play the heroes that like he wants to play instead of being like shoved into this position of what they feel like he needs.
I saw a Coddle game from him earlier today that looked very good.
play instead of being like shoved into this position of what they feel like he needs.
I saw a Coddle game from him earlier today that looked very good, but I will say he seems
very very volatile, so he still has to think he's got some proving to do.
Yeah, I can see kind of like the pub flare from him, right?
Like when you are part of Yenisab Mareen, the Academy team of Team Spirit, you're kind
of constantly playing these tier 3 events online, maybe trying to play qualifiers, that
you're not making it, but you're upsetting other teams.
I can see within his gameplay, there'll be moments where he's like,
wow, if he had six months under a roster, he probably could shine,
but yeah, rough around the edges, and I don't want to say it might be hurting them at the moment,
but again, they just did pretty well in the previous tournament.
They did, and I think he also played, he played two grand finals with them.
They did lose both, I think, 1-0-3 in the last one, then 3-2-2 to Aurora.
Obviously, there's like, you know, you need some time,
and this is a really good starting point for a player like him to like, look to improve.
But I will say it again, at least for them, you know, if you keep end up losing, you will still continue through the group stage.
But, yeah, I guess the main thing we're talking about, like, in isolation of this event right now, and in these best of ones,
if we are to, like, somewhat disregard the online stuff, because when you get to this event, like, you know you're playing a tier one LAN,
knowing that you're qualifying, I think there's a lot more pressure on a newer player like that, compared to just playing, you know, the random online tournament that, at the end of the day, you know,
finish it, congrats, you go to the kitchen, you're a family, you know, it's not the same
as like winning here, going to a LAN, playing in front of people.
No, it's definitely very, very different.
Can you see this?
So, this is another hero that he's been rising quite a bit, I mean of course you have a lot
of teams and a lot of players who love to play Mars, but most commonly he's like kind
of a second phase hero, but now I've seen it multiple times today just being straight
up first picked, I don't mind it, I think if you know how to play it and you know how
to make it work then it's just about how you like build the rest around him and he will
usually have a game. Again with Mars it's such a simple pick. It's so easy. It's kind
of like when German Central is first pick that Mars is becoming the new Central. Put
it in first pick, everything else will progress. I will say that this is something I like a
lot, not just for the reasons that Razor is overall a good hero and we have already talked
about him that he can flex. I think against Mars you ideally want mid-game type heroes
that love BKB. It's even better if they, at some point, it's a big bonus, but if you build into, like,
Refresher, so, like, a second that, like, having through BKBs and, like, the later late game against
this Refresher, it's amazing. So, I think this answer is one of my favorite ones when, like, the
pick scenario goes like this. I mean, the common build, though, for Mars is, like, you buy Blink,
maybe use BKB. And after that, it's a hex or a refresher. You might change a Lotus in the next
set, but it's like, you know the items he's going for, and it's always more setup, more control,
more things to exist. I'm afraid you're talking about BKB refresher. I also like the casual aura.
What happens against Mars when you have all auras in play? If Razor buys one, we've seen
the Crimson God razors from Nisha and Chrystalus, even from the Offlane as well, I think from FBZ.
Then you put in like a Chen, of course it's banned out, but a Chen type here that can buy
one aura from the POS5 role. Now that's 20 minute mark. You might not have BKB, but you have all
the sustainability that that arena is not really a problem. No, for sure. I wonder, I feel like
Yatora wouldn't be the one. I think he would try as hard as possible to not go the aura.
Sure, yeah. If Yatora is playing on carry, I'm expecting him to be like you mentioned,
like the BKB, the satanic-y kind of like, I am the king of the fight with the right.
Yeah, like if they want the aura, they probably just put it mid, I guess, and maybe look for a new
carry. But you're absolutely right. Like when you have this Mars, he's going to want the follow-up
damage from all the other games that we have seen. For Spirit, let me see. I mean, most likely you'll
just, they could just open with one of their supports out of the phase. I think it can be nice
to have like one of the melee guys because you would kind of expect Razor to you know want one
of those heroes. I know we haven't seen too much ogre overall I'm not going to say the hero's amazing
but I think Razor definitely benefits from like some small little buffs whether it's a hero that
buys solar crests, drums, I think bloodlust is also great but it could just be something more casual.
I mean look at the bats from XG right the bat rider, the chikiro, clock tusk all of these heroes
could be discussed as this pick position here, like stopping it right here, enabling a Razor,
all of them would do that. So I think XG have identified a clear way in which Spirit wants
to set up their lineups, opting for more support bans versus core, and even Spirit,
the Chen, the Shadow Demon, and the Trim. A lot of respect going into that role compared to
other drafts we've seen where it's majority core bans, sorry.
No, it definitely makes a lot of sense. I mean, we've seen a bit more zombie today,
right, like with the Undying. It's also pretty good with the Razor, like having some burst heal
you're fine against the Mars. You don't really threaten too much. I think Grazer wants a little more
of some slow, some stun in the lane to chase people down a bit. So you lose a little bit of
pressure, but overall it would be a fine pick. We may be using a lot of their reserve time right
now. Already getting down to a minute on Team Spirit to think about this pick. And again,
it is difficult what we spoke about. All these supports getting banned out. Historically before,
this is where you would go for the casual warlock back in the day, progress the drafts,
get some more information then you would get your jump and your utility from other heroes
that has now progressed to being a lago instead.
Kallabt has played it in the off lane for spirit.
So he's played and he's looked pretty good. I know that he does like the hero. I want to touch
because you said they did use a lot of time in the reserve and I don't usually see this from
them this early on. Like I will say again it can feel a bit weird sometimes when you start
discussing heroes and people like keep shutting them down until you like go into circles and
and you end up picking a hero that no one really feels that great about.
I'm not saying that happened, but there's definitely a chance that this feeling can build subconsciously.
I mean, it's the repercussions of losing a coach, right?
Absolutely.
Now you've got a manager stepping in to take over the role.
I'm assuming temporarily until they find someone else.
Like, I would argue in this stage of a draft, that much reserve time.
I mean, even ex-guards, to be fair, are eating for a lot of their reserve time as well.
And they aren't in the same kind of structural position of spirit in regards to their kind of organization setup.
So maybe they're just surprised that they got Razor Lago in the opening?
That's a...
Could be. So they would go for the Zombie instead.
I would assume that for them, the Morrison's just pretty much straight up in the off lane.
Of course, nothing to say he can play it.
He's like a playmaker type mate.
He plays a lot of the strength guys from there as well, but XSS Mars, it's chill.
Even if you're laning to Razor, it's not like the lane is dead horrible.
You can always bonk him away.
You can spear him away.
So, paired up with most likely some, you know, range 4 for FY, he's played Lions, he's played Razors, he's played Hoodwings.
Insert any fall-up damage, you'll be pretty happy.
I was gonna say, Willow would be my go-to there, because you already want the teamfight control for Undying and Mars,
we just saw how OG utilised it.
I want a little bit more of that cheap control to foreign to the mix, so, yeah, Willow is exactly that.
Yeah, it's also great for the lane. I also fully agree, it's better than the others, especially for the laner.
There is some willow comfort, so they do go for it, but after the lager,
Then they take the DK.
They've definitely got a lot of sustain and a lot of teamfighting to do.
Like you've got the DK Razor going in, which is great for both Largo and Warlock, that's what they want.
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually bust out some Morphling on this spot.
I mean they are setting up Army right now to go take your carry, try and become the one B9 guy in the game.
Yeah, whatever he feels like is good against this, it could be Weaver.
You know you buy linkins against the DK you're good against the razor like high physical damage
You can like stand its ground because you're laning with a zombie fight like you're lame
But it's gonna be okay to carry motor again when I love it. Why not I?
Think more just also rising like I think this year like a lot more
Good the range carry does well has minus armor giga right click super good with the arena
We kind of forgot about the heritage on the green
We spoke about the supports getting banned out, often Shadowfiend isn't that kind of
first phase ban for a lot of drafts, but yeah, for XG, it's another layer to that fight.
Now, Raccoon with the arena, you've got Terrorized from the arena, Zombies getting spawned in.
I would argue, I think Spirit might have the same problem as what Falco has had in that
previous game.
On paper there here, it looks good, but they're locked into cores that need items to be able
to survive to do their damage.
It's a static link damage over time from Razor, a DK, click, click, click, you know, top damage
over time, physical damage over time on both cores.
know that like quick burst in play they need that like do something here and
like maybe like a primal or something for spirit because I'm guessing you want
like I would like an offender that does something if that's where they're gonna
go I mean actually trying to like cover you know their bases because they don't
fully know where these heroes are going they're actually also like taking out an
ember but I could just see like another core that goes in maybe like some BKB
lockdown could be cool to like not get kited too hard in the fight but of
Of course, for Spirit, XG need to show first what their last pick is.
But with XG, Shadowfiend open to Razor and DK in the mid lane, I'd argue it's just fine.
So, do you think that Shadowfiend is just mid, or would you rather...
I would...
It's only different there, I don't know how my take is it to carry.
I would probably prefer him to be carry, because I think, let's say SF goes mid and then you pick like some, whatever, insert range carry that goes with Undying,
whether it's like War of Drow, Murata, then the lineup is fine, but it's a little more clunky,
Whereas I would prefer like just put the SF safe lane, take another playmaker mid that the Willow can play with.
So it's not just the Mars with the boys, but like another dude.
That's right. I mean, that then becomes a lot simpler in nature for them.
I mean, there's also a world where XG takes like a, like a concourse rank in the middle.
Like the, you absorb the lack of damage where it has, you do it, but they do go for the primal.
And it is a, another way to just be counting.
I am just concerned for Spirit in the damage. I'm seeing like a 5-2.0 right now
You need to really just pop off in the lane to kind of catapult yourself to the first item to feel like you're making the moves
But when the game is on XG's terms when they're making the smokes and whatnot, then
It could be a concern. This is a bit annoying because like sure so your DK can go mid against the primal
You'll be super fine if that's the lane that you do want to play
But I feel like this is the hero that Spirit wanted for themselves in the off lane
I'm currently struggling to like find a good replacement that I like you know that like wows me
But this is the last thing it's kind of supposed to do that
I feel like this might just be something more generic
Hello, okay
So it's the mid DK off lane razor with a carry Ursa
So we mentioned how
Damage could be a problem for spirit. They have kind of like triple down them
We get a farm, get our items, and then we're gonna be ready.
Cause Lager isn't the biggest playmaker on the map.
He's amping someone else up. Warlock, you kind of need to get kills early on from some cheap aggression.
So you've got like a lot of the teamfight, but I kind of like what XG have.
I mean, the pivot is kind of interesting from Spirit.
I assume that Razor like Kolas will look for some more of like the aura type build
and then look to fight with that.
But I can see a world where XG, if they get army into this early to mid game,
whenever this DK jumps in, there's a random Bramble, a Tombstone or an Arena into a few Races or a Requiem.
I feel like they're pretty happy. I do like both drafts, but I feel like XG, that's slightly the better of it.
In spirit, it feels like they're playing for the mistake from XG.
XG is going to put army in a position of playing onto an objective,
and then the DK with Blink, Dago or Yotaro finally getting to the Battle Fury Blink and then playing through collapse.
Like there is a world where Teensperr is able to get the initiation and blow up Armey and then everything comes crumbling down, right?
Like it feels like it is for protect Armey in this game for XG.
Like once they're online, it's like get him in that position, do the damage.
Because he definitely needs to be able to like, he cannot get jumped first.
Like Armey, they need these fights where they do stuff with the others.
But I think overall it's also like, it's a good Ursa game, but it's not the one where he like destroys the offlane.
Like it's Mars Willow, it's a pretty formidable lane, like sure Ursa will do fine, but so will Mars.
so I feel like XG didn't really get stopped from their gameplay,
and I think they're slightly happier than Spirit.
I mean, my concern for Spirit is simply,
can they get the items to deal with XG,
and let's see if XG can just break Spirit before that even happens.
Always a good time casting Spirit vs Extreme and I feel like this game is not going to
leave us hanging.
got an AME shadow fiend Avery versus a triple stack of cores for team spirit.
It's a nice shadow fiend set to styling on kids out here, man.
Swagger, not that swagger.
Quick smoking from spirit though.
What is the first one?
We're gonna get off to a fast start.
There is a defensive albs up here.
Yeah, Ward's already laid in place.
Smoker's got a break.
Vision given on both sides.
Nova doesn't have the full information, though. He doesn't know how many heroes are here.
I raised to keep them at bay. They did not want to all in on Ex-Nova, which is understandable.
They would have been giving up an easy four-man decay.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that uh oh they missed the Hobbes by a millimetre, oh man.
That's unlucky.
I might get three rins here though.
They do.
The frog prevails.
So what I want to say is I think draft-wise, I actually favor XG here quite considerably.
I don't know if I like this spirit draft fundamentally, I think Warlock, Largo are just like two healing low damage supports.
Bonds is a damage activator, but you have to activate it to deal the damage.
And I think Largo is kind of similar. Largo buffs your damage dealers, but you need damage to make Largo shine.
And then you have these three cores, and to beat two of them, Razor and Eater are kind of low damage until the ult will late.
So I don't know how you really fight this game, I like how you just casually kill people.
I don't like how you can casually kill people, I don't like how you can really fight.
Maybe this Ursa just chunks everybody's face?
Outside of that I really favor what XG has going on, I think they have a lot more casual playmaking,
I think this Primal looks like he's in a very solid position to just trample the game.
And I think their lane setup is good enough to not get punished by, you know,
you know, some blast pickers or some Razor Lane cheese or something.
Yeah, the Lardo has not been having a good time at Blast Slime.
They may have come off of Fissure with those two wins in the grand finals for Aurora.
And maybe that's where a lot of teams got this idea that the Zero was just going to be broken.
And maybe it is, but it seems like the teams are not.
I feel like they haven't figured out the drafting process for this hero because we keep ending up with the
As you said the Largo warlock the the do nothing support duo
What was it? We had do we have a Largo coddle? I think is a support duo from one team
Right, I just I feel like the drafts that end up with the support Largos end up having no playmaking
making. It's been an issue. I also think a lot of the Largo's success was people playing
a core. And maybe the core wouldn't have it. Even if you're afraid to run into these games
because the lanes are kind of scary or whatever like. That loses a little value to it. I think
this hero likes a lot of network. And I think we are seeing more counters come out. Which
is why it's been so much more supportive. Because the less people want to play Largo
into things like Undyne. I think Undyne has really owned this hero. It's a pretty rough
He doesn't kill Tombstone, the flesh golem rips through your high HP total, the zombies
just build up on you, you want to stay in the fight, but it's hard to just stay in a
fight in a local area against Undying, he's the king of that, so I think this pick coming
out is really clutched, I think we saw the high physical chunkers dissuade the core
Largo, Shadowfiend, we saw that really, really successful spin, we seem to be really successful,
so if more of these direct answers come out and people have faith in them, it also means
These teams are going to push Largo down that priority chain, you know, like I don't want to play Cor-Largo into a dying SF, but I think that's fair, but then...
...what's up with support Largo and his support Largo? That's scary, I don't know. It hasn't really been winning a lot of games, do you see?
Yeah.
I
On couriers right now, I guess frogs do like chicken
You found the one thing that frogs definitely
I
Tell you something they love chicken chickens definitely will eat frogs
100% it can do chickens will eat anything and chickens are fucking scary
There's no way like a giant African bullfrog with
Oh, now I'm shying away. The largest frog, no demand.
Could it take you to eat that?
Okay, alright.
Well, I was just saying, Largo is a large frog, so that's the one we're getting in.
Don't fight the Lorost and just let the Lor into your life and accept it.
You saw the kill bottom on the tank, so that's first blood.
Ex-no-bub!
In fact, he does.
Skits pulled back in to the zap there, the Plasma Field,
level 2 Plasma Field, does some damage.
I don't know if that's a kill that should have happened, but...
I'm pretty sure collapse should die up here if you just tune stone blood grenade him into races
I guess yeah hold out, but
That's a big kill to get up there for spirit. They need a couple more of these cheeky little plays in lane phase
Nothing to say is not having the most fun with this big matchup with dragon knight
If he's not careful, he's going to be pulled back into his death here as he gets stunned
up underneath the tower trying to cut the wave and he goes horribly, horribly wrong.
That's just what, like, it was off time you know, I was a bizarre death for him.
I think he was doing okay in the slaying phase.
I mean, you don't expect to really dominate Lee to try and kill him.
So Spirit definitely getting the better of XG and Slain's face.
And with Yatoro being top CS 35 and 5 up against the Dark Willow, Mars Lane, it's a kill lane against a hero that's kind of hard to challenge sometimes and has a Warlock behind him.
Clumsily keeping him at max HP, so unlikely that they're ever going to find a kill on her, so.
No, the Warlock stabilizes the Slain way too much and...
It's a solid Ursa game, and Yatoro with this start can definitely do some damage here.
I think he's the one piece off some faith and just very good answer to SF.
You just jump on the wall and SF can do nothing to you. You can't sit there in a requiem.
You get a basal blade later. Miserable hatch up for the Shadow King.
You can beat him to all the Aegis' and you also trump the Zillich of course.
He's like the big piece of damage that Spirit needs in this game.
So it is very important this Ursa gets off to the races here,
This is here in the ator, doing just that on track for some very nice timings in this
game.
I might just 1v5.
Thanks Melva, continuing to have some struggles when it comes to finding openings.
Collapse, zombies on him.
Zombie finish him off with his last long range raise.
It's not not even close.
Ranger lab strong.
Collapse also with the ranger off.
Big help there Rue.
He is going to die to Hame.
Amé is coming through the gauge of trying to help out Wizards engagement, but Amé turns and fights FY.
It's the double kill off of this, and perhaps the triple.
Now, Axe Nova will take the final kill in this whole equation.
Amé is probably less than happy with that situation.
It wasn't bad for Extreme, but unfortunately he walked away with none of the kills.
He got very low on that.
FY, the real victor here, almost a little five now, but four Wizards trying.
but she will not get because Mars takes it so it's good he got a lead xB because he didn't get any from that
low wisdom
not the worst outcome for xG though considering the slaying phase wasn't really going to be anything
rather have chaotic skirmishes that the primal can join later that the supports can get involved in
I mean a dying willow is a very strong support through in these early fights
so that's the kind of action they're looking for even if that didn't go exactly their way
Ex Nova, no tombstone this time around.
So when he gets caught, there is no chance of a robot from the rest of the stream.
He's really been abused up here, man.
Ex Nova is usually a very solid laner, and I don't think he should have been killed three times here.
Some slight mispositions from him. Largo punished him with a catchy lick.
That's all she wrote.
The lane that has to be abandoned now for XG is...
Collapses.
Pretty dang high level up here.
Almost all seven raindrops long bracer paid off.
We haven't seen any in Taro, Taro.
We got the arena tombstone.
Taro's gonna be stuck in here with a lot of zombies building up on him trying to make
it back to the tower, but it's too much damage is already done.
That will help the stream equalize the pressure on these silencs because the dragon knight, okay the golem is going to be dropped for it, but the dragon form also pressuring that tower.
Oh, if I agree with that goal. Not just because, like, yeah, you can drop the farm and hit towers, but they could have taken this fight for a while.
Yeah, absolutely.
while they will still hold the tower so they'll at least get that little bit of
a tower advantage
xxs pull back in with the golem on him and the spear got tanked by the warlock
so your total is gonna stick on xxs once I go on to get the kill now it's a great
gold that they work. Defend your tower, get top tower, kill the enemy all-planer.
What more can you ask for? Very quiet game from this primal beast. Like usually we
see NTS rotated a bit with this. The runes really haven't gone his way and he's been
doing stacks in the jungle, so he's very far. He doesn't really do anything. He's also
matched up against Dragonite, right? He leaves the lane too much, he's going to lose his
tower really quickly.
We're a little 3D here, more extreme.
Yeah, I'll play Tirezone about Frogs. I don't know what to do.
I will say frogs do not like spears
Name an animal that likes spears. I'm not a biologist man. Okay, I
I don't know, I feel like you're cosplaying a lot in this cast.
Alright, here's some biology. Primal Beast.
Not to do primal things.
Oh, he missed it.
They brought way too much to this fight.
To miss out on a kill on Klaas.
Klaas definitely does.
Alright, so let's just get involved.
That'll finish his blink dagger.
He's jacked.
the
reform really well as your office of school is just a way to
release the one
that is one of
the fall is the image of the situation for scary for
And they have some vision of not a terribly large double ancient stack, but
It's possible that team spirit can start taking over this triangle area
We need to get this mid tower down
There's a lot of river vision right now not a lot of vision past it
but if they get this tier one mid it'll open up this triangle a lot and
Yatoro's probably never gonna get dinked again in this game on this Ursa
So you're just gonna trade out farm between the Ursa and the SF
Again, good matchup for Ursa, so I don't think Spears care about that too much.
They care a lot more about what's happening with the 4 on 4.
And you get to your ore item on the Razor, can you take this last tier 1 mid?
And does this Prime will continue to find some power runes into kills?
Because if NTS can snowball a little bit more, it seems like we'll be all mine as a...
Go on, I'm gonna read. No gold.
Extreme mine keeps it's going and I'll have the primal beast is gonna join them with his blink dagger.
What's the bear? No, can't have the bear.
The primal beast is gonna be a problem for this bear. Can't rely on enrage all the time.
You enraged, you just get grabbed by the pulverize, kind of wastes out that entire duration.
Do you think there's a lower reason why pulverize can't be status-resisted?
Well, it's because he's grabbed you.
Like, you did spell, but he still has his hands on you.
You know?
you know, I can't, I can't rip you as well. Well, they may bend their off. He's a slippery, not dispelled.
There's no player bending off, that's all I'm saying. Another gold drop in by the way.
Pano's gonna, he's just, someone's gotta take this tower. Is that gonna be the dragonite? It's gonna be me.
Yeah, where is that dragonite? Morales, busy farming it up, and the tower will get taken by the gold.
So, nothing to say who'd been defending against this dragonite this entire time, just with this tower.
At 60% HP you could take and buy a golem
I guess to try and kill the golem for a revenge
Ami? You wanna golem kill? Ami? Hello? Turn her off? Kill the golem?
Okay
Might get it. Oh, plus a hundred
Congrats, congrats
This is a very farm heavy game
I do think it's kind of full team style though
Make sure you versus Spirit, you know you're going like this.
You know, neither one of these teams is going to be trying to end it by 25.
Look at this, though.
Ah, it's showing up.
Forgot about me.
He says as he starts laying in your mid-tier 1, he did not like that goal.
The advantage in the bottle for nothing to say.
I don't think Spirit is going to be trying to fight right now.
right now. After all, they've got the triple farming core set up. Dragonite Ursa Razor.
There's really no reason to go out and fight extreme.
Pipe on collapse says they do want to use this.
You get a nasty TPN. There goes Dean Rage into the pulverized combination, so completely
waste that ultimate. And the TPs are going to come in just a bit too late to hop on the
earth, so maybe they can still take a fight, though. Con inside the arena, they finish off
The team spirit really isn't addressing the tombstone, they're trying to attack him.
Now the zombies are building up the heroes, they're seemingly too much.
For extreme gaming, the brambles is out, nothing to say, he's gonna have to charge away.
That was such a nasty amount of heal.
Between four point shadow words, long go ulti, and then you have this minted pipe on collapse,
which is just buffing up everybody's resistance, so it makes all this heal better.
And raise your hold in that fight. Perfect timing for a spirit to take engagement. Yeah, you lose the Ursa, but Aume has just caught no man's land, just gets chunked down.
Doesn't get anything off.
Weird engagement for Extreme and how they position that. That was hyper aggressive by them as if there is no way to lose that fight.
And then they lost that fight. So miscalculated for sure.
I had to be honest I'm kind of with them on that. I didn't think they could lose that fight either level four level four tombstone
And a five versus four
They live in a great heroize to that in the image of the primal icon of grief. They just
They're just misposition. I do have a nice desk for on me
If you hold that game by the leg
Oh
Bad news bears
Good news for that bear.
Are you alright, Bree? Very good.
Now Collapse is going to go back for a Crimson Guard.
They actually get the Double Aura items. The Spirit Greed.
It pays off.
If you're not losing this part of the game, then the Greed is only going to get better for you.
Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, I think EKB times for SG are okay, but they're not amazing here.
You have a Hursa plus, you know, like Golem, DK, you can punch through it.
If you get an Aegis on this bear, you're kind of cruising, I think, in that midgame.
I need more items on this SF.
He was having a perfect game and then he joined two fights and died and got picked off.
I'm now looking at man, almost last, networked.
Yeah, this is not a shadow theme that putting out damage to really threatens anybody just
yet.
Especially considering how tanky this team spirit lineup is.
Alright, so first BKD is done.
Nice little pick off on Panto.
So great timing here for the primal and if actually can get a fight going before
this Ursa does the first rush on, gotta slow that pace down, it'll be amazing for them if they can find the TK before his Orc is done.
He's on the war right now. He's used by F5 Perfect Setup.
Yeah, something happened there with the pulverized, but thanks to the terrorized, it didn't really have to kill anyone.
The pipe is making these awkward murals. Actually gonna be able to get out of here.
And now, nothing to say is having all of these damage drained away.
Mast TP's out.
TP's seemingly all successful here, so they do only lose their Dark Willow.
But what should have been a kill on the Dragon Knight, 100%.
Jumped the gun maybe a little but yeah that pulverized getting canceled just screwed him there.
But what happened was it like the Mars arena walls? Like bounced it out of pulverines or what?
It had to be one of the Mars dimensions because there was nothing else going in there.
Unless there's something like Weer Cog with 4 Ambulance, that was the only other thing
that could have caused it, but I never see 4 Ambulance with anything like that.
Yeah, something like that.
Now we will get replayed, but that's a huge loss for XGSA.
This is the fight in the Roche.
Yeah, I think it's just the arena disjoining the hero slightly, which pulls him out.
Oh mega awkward dude. Even if he dies, I don't think the rest of this fight is any different.
And that Spirit are still getting approached. So it's very concerning for X-Sheet, not being able to put these teamfights together in a cohesive way.
Nothing to say is going to start working on a third item agonim scepter, which is, for the best, frankly, he has to keep his farm up.
Because this Aume Shadowfiend is not carrying the game for them.
No, he's getting outpaced by his bear right now.
Especially with Pomet they're going down.
There's Aegis for the bear and a Sharn for the warlock.
It seems like one of those games are both games.
They don't have a lot of damage, but the spear have just up their HP total faster,
faster so we're just playing quite quite a ball like that the early pipe the high HP
totals and their heroes then you have more lock with extra heals just slightly
outpacing what this is trying to do on his own. It's made the difference here very close to the fact that he's still gold.
It's kind of interesting. This has been lost every fight and they've lost
roche and they lost tormentor but they hold the golden this is one of those
games where I'm sure Jowai it's very confused should I tell them to wash
the face or not I don't even know think I mean definitely watch his face
Maybe, maybe the partial wash.
He's gonna go Silver Age, third item.
Break.
DK, I guess.
Try not to get jumped by Ursa.
Here's the smoke from the Spirit, just faster this game on average.
They have full pipe, crimson greaves.
pretty nasty aura trap tactic going on right now, plus that Aegis on the Ursa.
Before, if you thought Xtreme couldn't lose a teamfight, now it feels like Spirit are
in the position where it's impossible for them to lose a 5-man.
Too many auras combined with the extra life of the Aegis.
Spirit will confidently start marching down some towers.
Why is he trying to be a nuisance?
He's trying to stall as much as they can.
XXX is trying to buy out his shard and Aume is about to get the Shadowblade.
So it looks like his stream aren't going to train fight around this.
I'm hesitant to call it a tithing because they aren't the most impactful items.
You grab onto the Dragonite.
Link it with the spear.
Chainstone on the Dragonite and the first life of the Eurus is already gone.
Now bouncing the Dragonite back into Haman.
They execute the Dragonite and Yatoro back up on a second life here.
Radio Realtor, EKB has to keep on away with a beautiful arena wreck.
We have going out tons of damage.
Yatoro jumps back in, finish off the Mars.
This tombstone combined with the upheaval.
It's doing some work in these fights, man.
Both supports have made this battlefield a muck and a half.
It is a swamp that they're trying to crawl through right now.
Yatoro collides back and away with a blink back in.
in from nothing to say gets to grab on the roof on a four-staffing board.
Try to finish out of your toilet.
It's him.
Now turns his attention onto the roof frog.
He'll die as well.
Extreme walk away, the better for it.
Even as the fatal bonds finishes off Ex-Nova.
All right.
That is a mosh pit of a fight.
There's just so much gunk on the ground between Tombstone,
Upheaval, the frog song going on, the multiple pulverizes.
This Mars arena was perfect from XXS.
I mean, ultimately, it's just,
he got to sit there and hit them the entire fight,
and nothing happened to him.
And he dealt the most damage,
so incredibly successful fight for XG in the end.
And a lot of that started with that initial poke
by FY on the Ursa.
He blinked in and used ult,
so XG, they know there's no ult on the Ursa,
that's a big deal in a fight like that.
gave him some confidence to take it with their double dvd time.
Still look amazing at the start, but
Spirit aren't able to turn it even after the D.K. Deathwood.
I think they pulled five man bonds here?
Yeah, they got all five from Pantho.
And then that, the damage from the Razor,
just hitting everybody with that way they get split across all the bonds,
but actually they just tank it up, man.
Able to, to sit through all of this damage.
kind of ridiculous how much healing is going off of these fights yeah people in
the tombstone won't make in that area so then nobody can really walk around but
the SF doesn't need to walk around right he's like the only hero they could just
stand there and blast even a razor at a range still kind of needs to get close
to people with either storm or keep the link going way better for all me than
it was for your total yeah like he gets stuck in this gunk he's got screwed if
All of these stuck there, well, kind of how that stuff plays a fight anyway.
You're just going to sit there like you said, so...
It does kind of work out in XG's favor.
Now, they have eggs done on Primal.
Who got another EMP damage?
Oh, man.
Antel, Glimmer capes into the smoke.
See if you can slip away into the night now, please, Bob.
Dan is starting to pick up now.
I don't...
This is kind of what I thought was going to happen in more...
Like the map with this primal running around and being a damage threat
It just didn't happen early on for XG, but maybe they're gonna pick it up now because I do like their favor
Which is kind of scary for spear because you like to pipe crimson on razor so if you can't fight with pipe crimson
In an ages this is getting better for you
Yeah, it's one of the downsides of building auras right like you're pretty mid-game focused at that point
Not that the auras are bad late game
But an all likelihood things like say the agonim scepter on the primal beats
That's just gonna scale a lot better
I think in this game
It's gonna be particularly effective because that break mechanic is super value. I mean it's all three these course does something all three
I can fail. Stunned. On to the Primal Bees. The Primal Bees is not gonna be able to make it out.
Well, that was incredibly random and successful for Spear.
I mean, he didn't pop a damn thing. Stunned and dashed.
I mean, did Skullbasher free your door open? She's still looking to fight this?
I don't know about fighting this without Primal.
No, you know like what are you doing here? Yeah, this is a full retreat. You do not want to be in this
Just give up the tier 2
Wait for this DK form go down or something
It wasted a lot of time lingering there even farm some camps or something so not sure what they were high enough, but
But there's a little bit here, and Roche can't spawn in 10 seconds.
I think if it's up, you're told it's going to do it.
You can't really wait around this game with this kind of lineup.
You just got to go for these Roche's force, actually, to fight you.
Be confident with your VKBs.
It's going straight into that official blade, so this is the anti-SF technology.
Yeah, this DJ's poor as hell, but...
He has BKB now at least, so that boosts his effective net worth up a lot.
I think that's going to be a little too much.
Oh, he's been spawned by the way.
Here comes team Spear.
For the contest, Extreme are not trying to force Roche on.
They want to take the fight first.
They are also going to smoke.
They have the better vision right now.
Like this high ground ward on Spear's Triangle is really good.
They have a mid-ward as well.
Yeah, Team Spirit going the other direction, but they're potentially going to be fighting under a different Observer Ward.
They get up into the Dire Triangle, or the Dire Jungle area.
If XG are patient here, I think they will get the better vision and jump.
They have to be very patient for that.
Even plant another ward outside the pit, and it's so much vision. How do they have so many wards?
I don't understand.
Expeared of none, and next year just dropping them.
They have double smokes though.
Another smoke.
A little break there onto the dark willow.
All teams are well aware of what the other is up to here.
They're just going to start cutting waves against each other.
Sneak it.
No way they do this though. The roar goes off.
Yeah, I can't sneak that.
But the Roshan is going to swing over to the other side soon.
There's another minute.
It might be that extreme have dropped triple wards in this area for a Roshan fight that isn't even going to be on the side of the map.
Oh, sneaking back into the pit again, but they know about it.
It's bashed up.
Fighting, nothing saying he jumps in, gets a grab on a deer, so see if they can burst him down nice and quick.
Gold gets dropped, it's not enough, Yatoro, he falls anyway.
Collapsed now, getting a long zap onto the SF2, draining away all of his damage.
He's gonna be hitting pretty hard, they're gonna try and focus him down here.
Underneath there, really catching hook, pulling him out, but no, nothing to say.
With that big agon, except to look at the damage he's doing with that one.
Trying to dress this tombstone inside of it, 200 gold, there goes Morrell.
Morrell, Morrell right in the middle of all these heroes, pulled back by the catch you lit, dodging the spear as a result.
Trying to slowly work his way backwards here, but between the stuns and the regos here from Xtreme, Deco, let's get his blink out.
The two supports left behind though to make sure that their Dragonite gets out successfully.
I think a lot of them from the fatal bonds, looks like Ex-Nova may take out here.
He's gonna TP away before his allies get him killed.
What an insane fight
There's so much damage coming out from collapse he gets taken down
Ultimately MVP might be this a dying he survives the whole time just punching people amping them up slowing them down
DK can't play the fight two zones up for so long
Just a monster. Yeah, that prime likes absolutely ham because I'll make
He burst yet or and then he gets bursted. So basically both these carries didn't get to do a lot
There's a beautiful chain-stun on the Toro. We got overriding into the Tarot.
Never got PKB year old.
Great Tarot on the screen off of that block.
That is actually supports to work.
Extreme make it fast though. They go straight to Lerouch on Pit.
Con revive and get the extra life.
The Barame.
Taking that away from the Toro is...
massive in this game.
And give it to Ami who's basically dying every play too.
So it's big but going both ways here for FG.
Spirit need to find a way to address the tombstone better and his primal better.
These are the two biggest problems for them and I think a lot of it is supposed to come
from the Ursa, which is why XG taking your sword out first is just so massive.
It's not just killing the carry, it's like killing Spirit's answers to your problems
So they're going through the gate. They're going through the gate. He just jumps right into them and
He starts going to work on army extreme game and going through that gate has potentially just ruined them
They have the agents to work with though with his hair rise chained into the stuns
It's going to be a total dead again
But once again collapse he goes for it
He gets on top of army starts bringing his damage where he came with the rest of the DKB
He has to walk away from the SF go after x-nobah x-nobah still live through it all and all chase after the razor
are no longer having the BKB. Big hits from the Primal Beast.
Ame low, Spear stops R'El from being able to keep it away.
So now he has to just hold it for Ame.
Get the kill on Ame, but they will lose this fight.
Again, what are the problems for Spear in this fight?
The undying. He just never even goes down.
28, the K-Sacks, the Soul Rips, and everybody up.
He got four full Soul Rips off on there.
The DK has to sit there and kill the Tombstones,
They eliminate that problem, but then the primal is just wrecking them. The s have had two lives
So yeah, you take on me down, but he's coming straight back
It's just too hard for spirit to sustain into a fight like that with two lives only as a all this
This is just
It's insane how much value you're getting like there's so many chase downs where spirit are trying to kill him too and
Just comes back in the fight
Always has that ceaseless dirge even if he does go down maybe you can even rejoin
but just so much attention is going on to the X Nova here it's gonna be a
refresher for NTS was his choice he was kind of debating she was up for the
refresher can't play two pulverize here going into this Ursa I don't know what
get Toro's supposed to do against that man.
Yeah, and Toro really isn't going to have much of a game at all.
Like the Agatom Scepter will help him.
It means he won't have to use Enrage early
and then get grabbed by the Pulverize later.
He can wait until he, you know,
he's really forced to use that Enrage, but...
Double Pulverize is still the better fun.
The thing is, there is a hex on X-XS,
so you kind of have to be wary about that too.
If he just jumps in and hexes you, you get nothing off.
A lot of threats against this bear right now.
Pretty much, one of these other cores from Team Spirit
have to draw some attention on themselves.
You can't, I feel like it can't be Yatoro going in first
in a fight, but that's the problem with their life
is these two other cores are too low damage.
Yeah, like they do a lot of damage over a long period
of time, but the first is irrelevant.
the collapse is horrible. This DK is just DK doesn't ramp as fast as the other fours.
Sight into the spear. Well, it doesn't really matter if it doesn't last because nothing to say.
He is here. They're not killing collapse the most efficient way possible.
I must say they lose access for no reason, really.
Again, I don't know why this pulverize got canceled.
plus he's just like this clicking or something don't freeze the link yeah I
don't know if claps should get the killer but uh forget the tip so got that
go for you know does bloodthorne complete for the dragonite so that will
amp up his damage threat a bit more the agonist sector is done for the Ursa
any other items looks like Ami has changed his build from Cetanic to
Butterfly.
And FY has a Lotus.
I'm just kind of looking at it.
I don't even know what people are doing.
I don't care what you're actually doing.
The Primal gets to Sheeva's plus that 25 talent.
I don't see this Orsa doing anything in the fight.
Like, double pull rise with the extended durations?
Bear is just gonna be just gonna be getting body slammed for you know 10 seconds
Yeah, you can go a mirror up, but that's it only you have one here
Just gonna be pile drivers for days out here, man
I don't know if you're like a luxury to wait till next ro sure if your spirit hi there.
Why not?
Because again I think the primal's probably gonna be 25.
This SS gonna have another item.
They're going to be a very big item with survivability baked in here, or as they're not getting stronger here.
And I don't think you're going to have another real item for this Roche Contest.
Maybe the Abyssal and the Ursa?
But the DK's not going to have another item.
Razor's not going to finish this Lincoln's.
So like what you have now is what you're going to have.
And if you let another two or three minutes go by, next year we're going to have a lot more.
So this period differential-wise is not working out for you from your spirit.
It's kind of hard to feel this in the game though, like I don't know what their sense
of it is right now, but their odds of winning a fight are probably better right now than
they're going to be at the Roche pit.
That said, can you force a fight randomly right now?
Probably not, you know, that's not necessarily easy.
Yeah, how do you get that fight to happen?
And then even if you do win the fight, if there's no, if Roche on's not up, are you
changing the game?
You know?
looking at is like team shirt is unlikely to win a fight so I want them to take a fight
that can maximize the the reward which is good about that's fair right unfortunately
this could be real difficult now with she was 25 on primal yeah but it's fine yes even worse
if they get picked off right away which is exactly what will happen a room
yeah frogs do not like being pile driven into the crown
because we just saw there yeah they also are known to hate uh fairies i guess that's what dark willow is
is that even true i thought frogs and fairies get along because they're both from like you know
Grim sub-token
Frogs are from Grim sub-token
Yeah, mystical frog
That's not real, you know
Frogs aren't real awesome, it's just video game trope
It's another one for frog facts everybody
I mean, yeah, it's probably like some fantasy author
like 1850 some like pre-token fancy offer that invented the frog. I've never seen one in my life.
You know you're last but there probably is someone out there who genuinely doesn't think frogs are real.
Like they grew up being gasped by their family or something. That's some practical joke and they just don't, they don't know frogs are real.
real. The entire world view is being shattered by this cast right now.
Their family did that prank where they took him on a
Snipe Hunt. Instead it's a Frog Hunt. They just don't have frogs in the area.
So, let that be the lesson of the day.
Never trust your family. Spirit grouped up here on a ward.
They will kill the ward, but the Roche can be up so you gotta go now.
Like I said, this is as good as it gets. You have your Fissle and your so-
as good as it gets, you have your Fissle and your Sode.
Claps did finish his Lincoln, it's pretty nice.
You're gonna have to find his Primal
at some point in the fight and bring him down.
And to bait out a power room, it doesn't spawn bottom.
They go in, they go after the Mars here.
Instant pull of Arise on the Dragon Knight.
Oh, my, where'd he go?
Died fast, man.
Died instantly.
Rokko is doing way too much damage.
Second round of pull of Arise on to collapse.
I mean, this fight was over from the moment the Dragon Knight pulled a Houdini and disappeared in a second.
That looked like he DC'd or something, dude. I don't even know what that was.
He just, that was like GG on out, in peace boys. It just floated up to heaven, because he was out of that fight.
That's why it was over the second he decides to stun Lars, to be honest.
Probably not the target you could ever go on.
It has to be Primal or SF all in, and then you're gonna get Tombstone saved,
so I think this game would just completely screwed.
I don't know, I was not a fan of the Spirit Shove.
I think they actually overperformed early, but that's what I expected, but...
I just, you only have one damage dealer, and he's going up against the Primal.
He's going up against the Tombstone save, but terrorizing.
It's way too hard for your tour to want to find this game.
So I think they play OK early, but I think that's a tough strategic victory to grasp.
If your spirit there, look at that your tour here.
That's why. Yeah, I was about to say, I don't know.
I don't know. I mean, it is here.
Looks better than his drafts.
I'll say that for sure.
That's bad ass right there, dude.
It's like something off of Marvel comic.
Sorry, a unknown branding comic.
I
Extreme gaming with the superior draft will close it out at 40 minutes of victory over spirit
Okay, all right ex-gene delivering once again having a pretty good roof stage true so far at this time vying still
falling
In China when you know, it's maybe a slam or two late, but it's okay. Let's not forget
Yeah, let's not talk about that one. Sure. All right. Take it away. Can you what you want to talk about?
Yeah, but this beautiful game of Chinese don't I feel like there's it was a bit of a bizarre game in like in
some way because I thought that actually would have a little bit of a better start like this top lane didn't go as
Well as I maybe thought it would because like collapse and rude it really well up there
But like in this early to mid game
That was just it became a little bit evident that I think skirt had a lot of holes in like their draft and how they were fighting a little bit
this play I didn't really like a lot. I feel like X2 found a really cool way to like clutch out and insta-kill
and usually when you watch Spirit, their cores, they don't get bursted full to zero. They have a plan or they're ready
but this time around they weren't ready for it.
Yeah, I mean, I've got to put a bit of a spotlight on Pantheon there, right?
You're holding the higher end on that warlock. You know that in this game, all you need to do is come and break the primal beast.
Be ready. Have your ultimate prepared.
Maybe with spam cancel, I know with Jammer and the agreement, like, you have to be ready.
And Hathor just wasn't ready, Gatoro dies, and it's like these clutch moments, the Rochean fight, the Tamantha fight, like XG, you can see they're kind of slowly taking over the game, how they're taking the fight.
But there were clutch moments available for Spirit, they just did not take that moment and go, you know what, we can clutch it, we can create a comeback, and we can win this game.
It just, it felt like XG just was able to kind of overcome the watch through a hat from the early game.
Especially at some point, like nothing to say, he was having a really, really good game on his Prime of the Eastside.
Nothing easy to slay, he did die once, but he definitely made up for it when he came to like the teamfighting, his itemization, what he got going.
I was a little confused too, like the Tormentor fight we saw in the highlight earlier, I don't see Yatoro like beeline into a fight, like head on unless he knows it's good.
But he traded his entire end rage and his BKB just to kill Ana's Aegis, then he respawns, he dies for free.
So like quite uncharacteristic for like one of my favorite and also like the best teams when it comes to you know
When you talk about individual skill the spirit will always be one of your first choices
No, for sure, but what we're seeing right now
There is clearly a disconnect somewhere, right?
Obviously the easiest answers are playing with me standing the loss of a coach now
They don't have a coach it clearly is there's something structurally where this type of draft is type of play from spirit
It feels illegal like under the org what they have as a legacy like this is in this
In the group stage of what we're seeing, again, disregarding other tournaments they just played,
this feels like something is really not working out.
Yeah, because it looked like at least a few days ago, it was still fine.
I mean, it was an online tournament, it's a bit different.
But even then, because I was saying it too, that I don't see them do like this big pivot in a draft.
Like to me, I see them as like, they have the standard stuff, it's solid, they have good late game.
And even if you have a faster style, they'll make up for it with execution, they understand how to do it.
But this time, just very, not this third I'm used to seeing really.
And Spirit, they had pretty good opportunities in this game, right?
Against XG, a slower team, it felt like that kind of greediness in the draft they had,
it wasn't really getting punished.
We have a screenshot of the map setup around the 14-minute mark,
and at this stage of the game, when you have an Ursa Razer and a DK,
you've got the Razer farming up on the top camps,
the tier 1 top and bottom has been taken by Spirit,
so XG, their map is getting closed in late.
This type of map setup is exactly what amplifies a physical tricor that needs items, right?
But then when you fast forward away from this screenshot into some of the earlier moves, it kind of creates a...
But does Fero ever really utilize this timing?
Did they ever really go, you know what, we've got this freedom of farming in a lineup that shouldn't be allowed to farm?
Can we really take over the game?
Like, they did get some stuff going. We have a clip too of like one of the fights because I feel like this was the stage where...
Actually, they're quite happy, right? They're actually up to a good goal. The map setup wasn't great, but if you look here, the way the fight starts, so they get...
They get onto your floor first and they can... But look up top on the screen, you have Ame,
who kind of runs into this fight very early on.
Because this is one of the first times where it starts and Spirits run up like a nice comeback in the game,
collapse with the map setup from earlier, he gets the pipe completed,
I'm in dice first without using any spell.
Like if you imagine this fight, like the arena drops, there's one or two raises, maybe a Requiem.
You know, maybe Spirits will just lose this fight straight up, but with this, they actually got like a pretty nice entry into this game.
And like when we look at this, like we're saying, we spoke about in the draft, I experience the items to feel good,
they need to respect XG's teamfight,
They get given the freedom of the farm that we showed on that screenshot with the early towns.
They have the kills that you mentioned. Like everything felt like it was moving their direction.
But then they moved towards one single fight. And it's like where uh,
because I'd say Crystallis, the Razor really gets killed here.
He's not here yet.
Collapsing like, like, collapse on the Razor, right?
He went for all this aura, right? All this stuff. You have the Aegis on the other side.
This is the moment of spirit. They want to break XG.
They want to utilize that tankiness. They got like the five-man takeover, collapse up front.
But because Shutura loses Aegis early, disengaging with the BKB to walk back.
They're using that kind of X-Factor. They need one drop of damage on anyone to get that kill.
You're probably looking at a wipe in a different game, in a different spirit, in a different something.
This is a wipe. Spirit's probably going to command the game, close out the map, get enough ages.
You're looking to contest for the end, right? But they don't clutch up at this moment. They don't
use one key hero. And they pretty much give a free invitation to XG.
Hey, please. Do you want to walk back down this lane, get some kills and just feel comfortable again?
Because it's like they have ages. They have all the auras. They even had like a four or five
fatal bonds and they still like end up losing the steamfab which honestly is a bit strange because it looked like they were like
Doing all the right things to like really come back into the game
But then from this point onward and then you mentioned the blunder by panto which I fully agree with and the later fight with
Roche it just became really evident that now like their weaknesses of the draft it really kicked them
Yeah, it really kicked in very quickly
So for XG of course they're now a 5 and 2 contesting with OG for second place in the group stage
So potential automatic semi-finals for them, but the upcoming series that we have it is heroic versus wait for it
as I load up my notes
Tundra and
I know you've hyped up a single player. We hyped up one the lad the entire time
Yep, and we're gonna continue hyping up. It is Thai long Kizu. It's for a good reason. It's a for a great reason
Well, like my boy
I just want to show some of his things because you know their score maybe isn't fully
You know showing what they're capable of this guy is very young you into the scene
So he's using like this timing of the game where he pushes out the mid-wave. It's night time. He's top. They don't see him
He just immediately goes here. He's patient. He waits. He sees Peter
He steps up one or two steps too far goes up and what I also want to show you he doesn't chase fully
You know, he gets enough burning spheres. Okay leaves this man leaves the sea and Amar does a little bit of a mistake
Comes over gets a couple of kills because what's important for this guy is that I see a lot of cool stuff
But also freedom. He did have a blunder in this game
But overall like here you see his 4707 perfect itemization good laning
That's the things that the team needs and you can see that he's quite patient
Because what happens or what's very important to balance is like do you overplay how long do you wait here?
He's like in the later stages of the fight gets a couple of kills Godlike triple kill and this is super super important
So I hope that they don't get like this scourge
You know about like some of the things that are happening because this guy he's playing well
He's new to the scene. He's incredibly young
He has so much room to grow, and I hope that in the next couple of games,
the others can pile in with a little more help when it comes to the gameplay.
Yeah, he's the type of lad that, like, once he gets his access to the game,
he will just create opportunities for you, right?
Yuma or Whisper, even maybe Theotokon, the four position.
They need to capitalize on, like, his play style,
because when you see, as we transition through the heroes that he's playing, right,
it is these, like, annoying space-makers, the embers, the tiniest,
there's even a panglier on there, of course, so far in the tournament,
so the puck, and of course, the husker that we just listed the highlights for, like,
he will create moments for you,
But if your team doesn't use those moments, what's happening, right?
And I think there have been, of course, some games where Heroic have should have won the game in the past.
I mean, the one yesterday was insane.
I know that they should have won against XG, but they didn't.
Yeah.
We could have technically learned that replay, and as much as we hype up Tylong,
we could have also maybe even critiqued him a bit, right?
Because in that moment, he was focusing on the team fight there, the playmaker.
He could have remitted over, hit the Ancient with the creep wave, forced there to be a split.
But the narrative of that engagement was just kill, kill, kill.
So maybe there's also an argument that he's hyper focused on trying to enable his team where maybe a
10% better player, he just wins the game there, right? And there isn't this epic comeback. So there's always, you know, limitations to it
But heroic based on how they're playing in the roster. It is a step in the right direction
But before you felt like there's always this like
Astro to them
But now it's like it feels like the ceiling is a lot higher than the previous roster
When will they actually get to kind of harnessing it?
No, they're definitely stepping it up. You know, this guy is such a clown. Every time you see these two guys together at a LAN,
BZM just goes for it, like, oh, he just makes random tidbits and noises. He's getting like, big fuck brain damage all the time.
But honestly, this guy, he is so good. I think that was a long time when he still played with OG.
He was on a very big downwards trajectory.
But ever since joining Tundra, being paired up again with Aria and playing around, I would say, you know, the course that take the space,
But when you need the space to also give it to you so that you get the BGM and Volker show like we've seen in so many games
I think this team with some of their like individual gameplay is so down high and honestly like yesterday
They didn't look that great today and earlier they looked really strong
But they are the type of team that when they have a bad tournament like even again the previous stream league
Yeah, I'm not gonna be talking about that right as soon as it happens they go dormant
Yeah, December January now the here February it's like they take that to heart and they make sure the next time that they appear on the
tier one stage it's like no no no we're not meant to be doing it I think they
are a team that they dominate they will then lose they use that it's fuel once
again so I do feel like we're entering the kind of the redemption arc for
tundra a little bit again the last tournament not the best but get high
standards for the team but with how they're playing at least in the last
four games if you ignore that one Na'Vi game which you could have argued is a
bit of a draft one right a sliding through a shadow fiend some shenanigans
happen there they are scary I mean what I like about this team and I think what's
needed in like, nearly every team as you need core players that have like a strong identity.
Not just how they play, but also like how they speak when like things go wrong.
Like when I think of at least pure in 33, when stuff happens that they don't like or
that they feel like isn't what should be happening, I think they'll be very vocal.
Maybe not quite like right away in the game, but like outside of the game.
Guys, I dream like this, let's fix this, this is what we have to do next time.
They make sure that this is going to get changed.
Yeah, they will hyperanalyze it and as we're hyperanalyzing ourselves as well because we
like to blab there is currently a update to Dota happening and I don't mean like an update
all right there's no like you know waiting room shenanigans, none of that happening right now.
No no yeah of course here's my fruit and veg. Yeah guys there's a full screen here we've got some
apples to chop like no none of that it's just you know a simple little coordinator, a little you
know normal shenanigans so that's why we're of course yapping a little bit longer the teams are
just waiting for that to happen. Do you think ever like when you go ready for a game then the
the coordinate drops in.
I feel like nowadays, teams are already so prepared
that that won't really impact them.
Like back in the day, maybe there's a bit more of a,
you're all locked in and then you kind of lose it.
I think teams don't really care that much.
I think also like now you have a bit more supporting staff
that like, I don't know, you know, they keep the vibes
up when they tell you, this is the plan anyway,
like who cares, everyone has like played their overthrow
for the day.
They've all been through like what?
Two BL ones today, three BL ones?
Kind of whatever.
And this is of course, is their last series of the day.
So for Heroic, what are we looking at again?
They are 3-3. Decent, honestly decent.
Coming into this, super shaky in all their qualifiers.
They had one against Game of Legion where they just demolished them in the latest one.
Very little shaky, so again, pretty respectable.
And Tundra, another win here, 6-1.
They will be very happily at the top spot again.
Not a shock for Tundra.
They just seem to turn up to slam, win, and then just depart.
Yeah, I don't know what it is. It's like you have some of these teams that they hold.
It's the coin flip. We already know.
I apparently saw, like 33, he's gonna win Blast until he can like put in like you get to change the coin flip
Whatever how this works where you have liquid at dream league where they just can't seem to like wake up on time and like play
Well in the morning and always lose those games like I don't know what it is
But some teams they just have some of these things that just kind of happen to them
But when I look at some of the heroes, I liked that heroic and some of their early drafts
They were like incredibly toxic right? I think we talked about like there was a brood in there
There was a Husker, everything, the Mipo on Yuma.
Because these are also heroes you kind of have to respect against Tundra.
You know that when you play against 33, he's got a bunch of heroes in his arsenal
that are just incredibly annoying to deal with.
So I'm just hoping that Heroic, you know, they get like a good start to the game
and they don't show us like some shakiness.
Yeah, I mean, again, the thing with Tundra is that you just need to try and disrupt them in some way.
Don't allow them to cruise through the lane to create these moments.
Like, Ari wants to be a playmaker.
But again, you've worked with Ari.
I've also played in some UK teams with him, it's been great fun, but you know like if he doesn't hit his like
Flow on a hero, he can kind of get annoyed and things can start getting disgruntled
And I'm not seeing a single team yet like annoy Ari, which then kind of compounds to someone else not having a pick-off
Which then makes their game worse like there's never like
They're not finding the first domino for it to fall right and also we've praised Tundra that team fight how great their positioning is
But you need certain heroes to be ready and again that tundra isn't getting punished at any point
I feel like in in the game that we've got at least I really agree with you because some of these players as well like
Whispers on like a similar build and I think BZM too. Maybe it's because they're all young, but
While tilt is like a very strong word. It can mean many different things
But these players they can get affected. You know, you can't be ZM's runes like 468
He's gonna be yeah, you know, like you start hearing it or like you're saying with Ari
But I kind of agree that this domino effect has really started
I do think that a big thing like for Ari and like his entire like his career
He can be a bit stubborn, but I think one of the best players he could have been like paired up with is 33
Yeah, like you're always gonna respect what he says. He's gonna tell you like what he wants for the lane
He makes it very easy on you. So I think that is also like gonna help him
I mean, it's already shown right he's developed a lot as a player to be clear
I feel like that stubbornness was a thing that would would hold him back in the previous teams
Yeah in tundra
I don't think that's been a narrative that I've ever tried to entertain really
I don't know he's he has matured greatly since then and I think he's even reflected in his own interviews
He spoke about how it used to be a problem for him on OG and you know the whole interview like why didn't it work out?
I do OG please get better. It's like they just weren't in their prime at that point, right?
It's they were in their prime after so it is really just one of those things and when you talk about you know players and you know
33 as well
I remember an old interviews we talk about how he used that some of like you know these teams they ban three heroes think I can only
Play three heroes, you know, it's like oh, okay
Well, they are banning you and then if they're beating you with them and now you're forced onto your fourth fifth here
And you're not doing very well
Well, he was speaking like, you know that they think I only play these heroes in that time
That's all he was playing and succeeding with so you can actually get into his head a little bit
You can tell you can tell like the way he's answering the interview question
It was because he was like he was offended by these bands
But somehow the play also was holding them back a little bit, right?
They won that finals because Falcons for some reason gave him one of the three heroes multiple time over and over
But like all the other teams they ban it they would complicate the series a bit more
So there are ways to get into tundra's head, but it's like you need to read
I mean, it's so hard. It's like no easy at all.
I mean, it's also because you know that all their players individually, they can take it over.
Even if you annoy one, there's going to be someone else at the same time they're killing your carry.
And then it evens it out because all their players have this potential to just take it over.
And not just the cores. You have Wythemon on the team too who...
You can start them in every row. All five players, you shut one guy down, someone else is going to step up.
It's not like other teams where they can full-shot.
And luckily, we do have a draft on the way between Heroic and Tundra.
Again, to remind you, Tundra hoping to stamp their authority on another slam, a win here
We'll put them at a six and one position vying for that number one sport automatic semifinals
The difference is of course it will be a best of five not a best of three
They must play in the semi-finals, but let's not get carried away many more best of ones to go
So far have work have banned out the brew and the frog if a lago and
Tunger the razor as of yet. Yeah after seeing what 33 did on brew earlier
I don't really want to face that unless I have a good idea
Yeah, like just you know good hero then this guy busts out like a new item build that now you have a couple heroes
I can play against it now you feel like maybe they're thrown out the window, too
So just make it easier take them out and I would add are there some heroes that you feel like we should be seeing more
I know obviously this this is just day two, you know, I'm not haven't been that many games
But you feel like this year that's slightly under the radar. It's like under the radar. Yeah, I
I mean to me we see this year we've seen more today but to me I would have to it's
like both Phoenix and Muerta heroes that I like and they look kind of good I
would really not be surprised if we see them a little bit more like through the
trajectory of the tournament. I feel like Dark Quiller for me is a hero that we've
been seeing like XG, Game of Legion play but I think it is universally quite a
strong hero and I'd like to say maybe bleed into more teams but again that's
heroes that we've seen I think the kind of the sleeper heroes the Grimstroke again
We spoke about on the previous panel in Grimstreet Cards, got a lot of moments where a soulbind on an ember just breaks his game
But people don't really want to utilize it and laning has been a thing that players aren't too excited about
And then you spoke about ogre in the last draft
The level 30 hero that I love to play it was you know rampant in qualifiers get to a tier one lan
Sorry mate, not even can. You just straight up died. It must have been like some scrim development or I don't know what exactly but
But there's a couple of these drafts where like you just plot the ogre in, progresses the draft, opens up a lot more things, like there as well as that it can be really strong, but again, that aside, probably not gonna see those heroes,
they're going to open up with the Abaddon, and then Tundra promote the Invoker to an instant first phase pick, and BZN has been dominating this group stage on the hero, I think he's what, 3 and 0 on the hero now?
Probably, maybe they lost one?
But I doubt, I mean they have only one lost to their name, right? I feel like it's a different game they lost.
He's 3 and I, I think I lost a Beastmaster, I think actually in this one strange game they lost the other day.
Yeah, it was a Beastmaster, it's not carry, Batrider off lane, they lost to Navi in 38 minutes.
I like that they upgraded the Invoker to just like, you know, one prior phase, because I mean, if you've been paying attention, Heroic very likely would have banned it in the next phase.
I am a little surprised about the Abaddon first pick. This is not something I've seen, this is not something that inspires me that much if I look at it, at least at the moment.
It just kind of lost favor, I think, for teams to play, right?
Maybe it helps that Aurora's not here,
because Nightfall would have just kept ramming it into everyone's face,
like, ugh, I played it, I bad, you know,
and then suddenly everyone's like thinking about it a bit more, but yeah.
Heroic, one of the few teams, I don't want to jump in it too early.
KJ has played at five in the end of 2025.
Don't know really if it's a thing anymore,
but maybe there's something to play around there.
Heroic likes to be quirky a bit.
Of course, Pundra, I was going to talk about Puck,
because in the last game they picked Invoker,
They had Husker puck ban at their last two.
They've already banned Husker in the first phase.
They now banned Pock.
So for them at least, they're the two heroes
that they care about.
For them to pick Invoker, those two got a go.
So maybe in the future, other teams
can think about trying to slot those in
if Tundra forgets to ban them in some capacity.
Yeah, I mean, let's see because, I mean,
there obviously are like other heroes that do, you know,
they deal with the Invoker and like somewhere.
I mean, we've seen the Embers and like we've seen the Tynes.
Someone also like tried Akanka, which was okay.
The heroes are kind of on the fence, but I haven't seen anyone that really stops this Invoker's gameplay.
Because the hero doesn't need to win the lane. If he does OK, and he has one or two random Sunstrike kills or threats on the side lanes, he's pretty happy.
But I've yet to see the hero get like, dumpstered.
They're already setting up the foundation for Invoker to have a good time, right?
Sure, there's an Abaddon, you pick him, Batrider into it, but I'm already picturing...
My god, he's just going.
I mean we're replaying that right? No, don't break the illusion. Our job is
here to say that young kid, sprightly lad, is going in 360 motions forever and he's
soon vomiting if he's continuing with that. He's gonna make sick plays. God, that was
awful. Alright, you speak quickly. I need to go vomit. Yeah, I mean heroic, because
you did say that I know that they like the Abaddon and they can flex it maybe
with like some of the changes you know where like maybe TV and Darkseer like
don't own him as much anymore. Maybe there is some merit to the hero, like now that
curse doesn't get reflected by illusions. I don't know. I know that they like it a lot.
I wouldn't say it doesn't threaten Invoker at all. Like in the laning search, maybe you keep
yourself popped up and your allies, so there's less of those. But in the game, Invoker doesn't
care about anything that doesn't touch him.
So if you just take some of the M.L.A. here and there,
I think I can pair and get the key for the light, so Yolokor has enjoyed playing that.
The Rok have always tried to find combinations in their lineups.
It's always like whenever you look at the full 5s,
they've got these 2 plus these 2, they can do something.
They never really have all 5 need to be together style of draft,
but I'm still intrigued by the bat picking to the Abaddon,
because when you play an off lane, you do want to go like sticky and firefly farm.
Is it just going to be a lane where they know there's going to be a shield in play?
Like who'll just play behind tower to free up Harry doing other things at that minute five mark?
I mean, I guess the cool thing for them is that they can flex it between three and four
But if you just play it offline and you do like your boots of bearing you like you buy one aura and then yeah
Like you don't really you don't even level last until like level 11
I feel you go like 404 you go bearing if he loves doing the pipe into like radiance buyers
And then like match the timing and keep fighting like I'm see I'm near I'm seeing the bat right as like
I think on paper people like what are you doing? There's no last way there
But it's like like you said if you are going boots bearing into double aura
Ari's making stacks fighting in the bot lane coming back through doing with these other shenanigans
There is this like timing where more badden ever do damage because like the radiance match by a pipe the man to
Still waiting then you get orchid by that point another guy's gonna have a lot of sort of spell in place
Oh
Badden has fallen out of favor
But that's where of course the ember in the Kotal. They need to be super aggressive go contest those stacks
I know in the background that it'd be as cold as possible. I mean, they've got a lot of skirmish at least on a heroic
Yeah, I will say that I like this pick a lot from thunder. First of all, Kardo is super annoyed by Bane
Like he just beats the crap out of you on the side lane on top of that. You have an X sword invoker
Here we've got the hero we wanted earlier. Yeah
Insane dilation game like Kardo hates you both in the lane if you ever get illuminated while you're just time walking it off jokes on you nerd
Same with Ember like Krono, of course counters him time dilation
You know please I said the best thing in this draft is like imagine a badden was any other hero right now
You'd be going you know about a pretty good pick for her. Yeah, it's true
It's actually gonna break the bat right you can stop the fiends grip
You can also just front line and you know don't care about border like the chronicles of border time like
It's like for the first week of badden time. You're like we just don't care
They really don't like I think you're gonna like try to even just ignore the a bad and like maybe you help keep your other guys alive
But eventually you break but isn't this yeah the whole the whole concept right you're gonna flame breaking back
You got a nightmare him and then he has to maybe borrow time and then there's gonna be tornadoes or some random EMP
Void can dilate him like there's gonna be lots of random nuisance on the ground and
Then bang in feeble if he was such a good spell you put down any hero that wants to just poke in the fight
They can't poke me well
They've got to get into the fight that reduced cost range. It just gets very plunky for certain heroes
I mean I wonder if you're heroic like where do you take this for whisper and like I will say in some other like
Metas or maybe if you're for was like in the yeah, yeah, like you would be
So they still do because we've definitely seen like a big downfall of materials like whether it's enigma or bees and lichen
It does make a lot of sense here. First of all, you can like help on the side
You can take away the sleep with one of your boards. You're super annoying for void in the lane
To be clear the temple beast zoo beast just just yeah for sure
Okay, like in no way you're playing some like axe max into he just time walks it off
They farm all the stick charges like you need to play on summons. Yeah, because that's what yeah
It's like when I was saying beast. I'm thinking the zoo you want the helm of thumb
All the points that you mentioned but throw it into the map because now cuttle ember you get like the vessel ember
And now you play behind the helmet on the Beastmaster you help take some towers
Then he gets the overload you keep going forward and at some point a bad and we're like boys. I've got my items
I can help out. Oh, it's actually funny and that's something I
Like put into perspective yet. They're banning out the gyro because they're expecting or thinking that
No, it could actually be played by Ari.
Sure. I don't mind that.
I do feel like Tundra are the type of team that actually will just,
like they will just go with it.
Like they pick Void there.
Maybe they can flex it, but it's just like,
if I get through like the first 15 minutes,
we will win this game.
And I think that's just going to roll with this idea.
And Tundra ban out the Shadow Demon.
They already know that
the combo breaker just went on this lineup.
We've forgot a ban being good.
A Shadow Demon with the disruption or ringmaster with escape act.
There's a dying with the Shard Tombstone.
There's like there's a lot of different options to play for and heroic to save in the big combination a force stuff buying support
That has some way to destroy the capitalism or damage from tundra's big team fight
It's pretty much what they need to lock in as their fire position here
Is there any safe support that you see that you should know what that would be pretty good?
I've seen this hero played a bit, but only by falcons it would be like it's Venge
Which I think is kind of hard to make work. I've not heard that here, but it's good long
It does have merit, I would say, in this game, like there's...
That's my surname, but...
It is.
It is, like, there's Lasso, there's Grip, there's Chrono.
I mean, another hero I was thinking about is like, well, the Tusk,
but it's also like, you can't save from, um, Lasso, which is kind of annoying.
And like, Chrono is also Giga annoying for you.
So I'm like, not finding like this Giga pick.
I mean, generally it is hard for like, the Pulse 5 role.
Uh, in fairness, we haven't really spoken about Chen,
But if you want to throw another here into the mix that has
Some zoo stuff thrown you blend also by the or is the election Jen
Could be an option as well. I'll probably like that even more
I think just like they are semi-low on damage on thunder like hand of God with like another mech
Suddenly like you live through the first round of spells then bottle gets like in the lumen it off
You play on like the abaddon carry. I would kind of like that
I mean there is the chance that what the abaddon is the post five and you pick a new carry, but I
I feel like you're probably happy with the Abaddon as is
and you just like, like you're just trying to clash like two styles
like fast, skirmish, take over the map, don't give them the space
where it's time to play the opposite of like create space, get farm, make time, and then outscale
I do think we're the Chakir because like into a beast of flame
I remember like the old drafts of like a year ago, it's like is Dawnban, Bristleban, Jaroban
they're looking like the big three
if they do want to kind of demote the void to just becoming a bit more of a supporting role
supporting role that we've seen from the kind of the SEA teams, then you do have at least
one of the anti-beast kind of carry, but is there any other carry that can just make Beast
Mosses off lane just sad? Again, two really good bans from Horak of course.
I'm trying to think. I don't think there's anything like too crazy. I mean you have like
some ranged guys that are kind of annoying and I actually have to open up like them.
Yeah, I gotta find the hero. Okay, they're going for a disruptor, so just more fight
pretty much they know there's gonna be these timings around the helm of the
dominator with the poke and the prod of the ember
buffed by the coddle so they just want to support to just compliment that for a little bit more
fighting and they do go for the cling so it is going to be
avoid to the support role. I'm going to go for a...
still I like you look a slightly greedy option in regards to that you do need
items and defending your tower can be somewhat uncomfortable
when the mass comes in.
I mean, I would like to see Heroic kind of play the Susruptor like Navi did in the game earlier today,
just like super aggressive. I mean, it's how the hero wants to play, but I think it's super important,
because again, you're late against like this Faces Void, it's like kind of a memeor guy in the late,
like he doesn't really interact, he just wants time, some level, so I would like Heroic to like,
kind of speed up the game, whereas Tundra, they need a little bit of like time on the heroes,
but I like that they did go for the Klinks. I think this Klinks Bane in the safe lane against
beast coddles should be quite heavily favored for Tundra especially if you can like look for like a
Sunstrike here that kind of comes in. Sure, like so you can like eat the boar, nightmare the guy,
stop the nightmare getting changed, Sunstrike him, keep clicking him down like this. It's very cute but
I reckon Tundra's lane is probably deceptively a lot better than I think what people would have
shoot in the Beast Luster. Like I think you keep like hitting them down and then you look for like
maybe a Sunstrike heal, you make sure you have a ward on the gate against the disruptor. Once
bad rider on 33 is like what maybe bearing pipe with a decimal timing I
think they're quite strong before then I'm looking at heroic to like try to take
over the map I think right they've got that really kind of beautiful very
traditional looking line up say you want to play through your beats most you want
to amp up your ember and at some point you might fall short because your
timings are predictable the game plan is somewhat predictable but if played well
it doesn't matter how predictable it is because it can just break lineups that
need to farm bat invoker clink all need some key item to play the game and of
course we'll see if Rurik can utilize their aggression to shut down Tundra.
We are way past the halfway point of this group stage and we are beginning to get some
shape and form into which of these teams will actually be able to contest for those top two slots
coming out of the group stage so they can doze the last chance playoffs and go straight to the
final bracket and right now one of those teams is tundra with a score of five and one they are the
top team of this group stage so far nobody would have guessed that hmm absolutely nobody so put
on a show here we're going to make it six and one just would be utter dominance at that point
and he will roll out the player three and three they can get this win and they will put themselves
out of that bottom four category and uh at least get a little bit of a jump star
and just hearing a play-offs and that first blood is going to go a long ways for them
Yuma gets first blood on 33.
I don't like their lineup.
I don't go over the long way because I went on to the Abaddon,
who has a very good game ahead of him.
I mean, there's a lot that this belt in this game
can be strong on the front line.
I think Heroic's lineup is innately much faster than Tundra's.
But as we saw earlier today in some of those Tundra games,
this team is super good at making these kind of slow, clunky
lineups work.
It's very tough to outpace this team
because their laning is very solid,
their itemization is very good, and they have 33,
who is just a tempo control master so tough task ahead of them but I think they have a very solid
game plan in terms of how they're going to take advantage of tundra's slow pace and maybe try to
abuse this evoker where other teams have failed to do so. Another support face this void and I do
have to question how good of a game it is for him in that regard because it's a bad and seems like a
a dream pickup up against a Bat Rider and a face of this boy.
You're going to have some big value out of this belt.
100%.
I think support boyd, you can kind of hold the dilation a little bit more.
So maybe you can kind of play around some of these shields and dilate the Abadna after
he shields and it's a little annoying.
Time zone is maybe annoying for a melee carry in general, but I still have my doubts about
this hero's support.
Like OG made it work, but I also feel like Darkseer enabled him a lot in terms of stacking up, but he didn't clear stacks, getting extra farms.
Doesn't have that luxury this game.
So, I don't know, I don't have a bit to do with what this R-Evoid's gonna do. He's also not the greatest setup for the Invoker.
I think it was just a draft bait, you know, to try and get something out of Whisper.
out of whisper they got it and then let pure counter pick him so that's where the value of this
void's gonna shine is in this clink's pick pure we'll have to deliver the whole thing.
The other core is gonna take a lot of damage here and it will just straight up die not respecting
he went for a blast on the range creep and then Leimon pulled him out of position with the nightmare
tough lane to go into clink's bane. I was like being against clink's or um being his caudal.
is one of the supports that I think can really mess up caught early. If you just outplay him,
there's a lot of skill in this support matchup in terms of positioning, playing the tree lines,
not getting caught out. Since I was naturally better than everybody I played against, I always
made this matchup work. And as we're seeing white mod, also better than everybody you
plays against, because he's white mod. He's also making this matchup work.
Deere keeping himself healthy with the death bags. He's gonna actually fight the other course here.
So as Whisper goes down, Theo may also join him here.
Yeah, Vee kept that fight going.
There was still Fairfire and some magic wand charges
for Pure, really good read.
Thunder's just having a much better read of this 2-1-2.
Now they're owning up here, getting a couple four
and bought kills as well.
A lot of extra experience for his being.
This is a lane that Aurora could have just played defensively
because you can only stack board anyway.
So giving up some kills they did not need to up there.
However, the offlane for 33 is going real bad.
I have not seen him struggle this much in a long time.
I don't think he can enter this lane.
He's gonna be going back.
That is gonna be his death.
Yeah, he may not be...
Like, that is too death for him.
One off of that first blood situation.
This is his first death in the laning phase.
He may not be going quite as bad as the Beastmaster Bane,
but it's also going worse in a way.
Like, it would almost rather be dying more often
if he's getting more CS,
But he really can't step up in his lane, right? 5 and 0.
It's going way worse.
The Void is pulling waves, so he's taking some of that farm away from him.
Those stacks being built yet.
This is the downside of these, like, high ability force.
If you play the lane well and you punish them, it can get real ugly real fast.
And this is a high-punish lane with disruptor of Ad.
I don't think this is gonna get much better for Thunder.
They need to limit the bleeding down here.
Not with this snowball out of control.
Because you mo- He had the first blood too, so...
this up badness just getting juiced up man there's a lot of stacks being built
well not that one but I'm gonna try and go at least
something that both off laners will be relying on after a rough laning phase
for your peers fighting it out against two heroes right now he's ton ton of
regen still with the death pact ready to go as well as the fairy fire but
Blasted in the face!
Oh, damn.
He does not respect this duo whatsoever.
He's really getting chopped down up here.
I don't know if this clean pick was...
It's got pressure on his beast with the Chalker magic behind me.
It's a much different scenario.
That's a good point. Just spam axes. You can't actually rely on
Winnie the lane through board because of deathback, but you can't just spam axes over and over again
And you can see Pierre is ramping up as much as they're trying to hit Whisper who Whisper turns back around white mon actually kills Theo
as the brain sap surprises him
Sun strike was dodged though, so whispers still okay
I'll wait while I just own this lane straight up. This could have been a disaster for Tundra, but
salvaged a lot of it.
Lanes aren't going by for a road, though. I mean, they're...
When he mid, you have bad super farm that they're gonna try and get the kill.
It's like games, I'm left to finish him off, PCM gets off the ghost walk, but they have a dust to reveal him here.
Another sleigh will finish him off, and no, just the rundown. That's good enough. Gets level six, Tylong.
He instantly uses that refill as well refill as resources so he can go for the contest on the power room here
It is going to be bought out so an arcane rune on top of a kill on a boker. Ty long is
off to a fantastic start
Really nice sequence for them keep playing through December good things are gonna happen for you. KJ is gonna send back easy into
Oh, he tried to kill KJ with the Sun Strike, it doesn't land.
And now Ari, a little bit surprised, I long didn't keep that chase going, I almost feel
like you just want to deny this mid lane, this wave of golden experience to anybody
in his head.
But instead, they're going to go for the wisdom rune, it looks like.
being attacked, he tries to go for the Ancient Denied, does manage to get it, so it is going
to be Tundra invading on the other side of the map.
I do feel like Heroic is better position- oh, Tylong doesn't have a TP, never mind.
They're just going to trade him out here, I think they'd like to fight both, but 33
currently doing 33 things down here for sure.
Double pulling Waze, farm and jungle, trying to dodge this lane out, honestly his net worth
is way higher than I thought it was going to be.
I'm not exaggerating.
He's also off the tranquil boots shenanigans again.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, this is something where a lot of players would say,
is this right for the game, you know?
I would say why not?
I feel like the tranquil boots drums build is already
the go-to for bad rider.
Well, not talk about the tranquil boots, man.
Okay, what are you talking about?
This early wave cutting shenanigans, where you can just dodge the lane entirely.
Wow, you're saying like, should this be allowed?
Yeah, I know this side of the game.
Because I think a lot of people are like,
he basically, he went to lane, if we look at the sequence, he went to lane.
He has a support face this morning.
He dies twice.
He gets like 10 CS.
And then he does just abandon the lane at like level 30.
Had to go to base and low 4 and then never played the lane again, and he's
The same net worth as the mid ember
You know like I don't know something about that is I don't know if that's right. I don't know if that's right
It's just the values
Counterpicking lanes if you know how to get out of it like this, which is a skill dip too, but yeah
something about it is a little weird to me. I get that. I understand them. I'm not a fan of not
laning. But I will just say like we have spent a decade and a half killing off laner's potential to
play bad lanes. Whisper, bottom shield, now the turnaround. As tundra overextend themselves trying
to kill Whisper yet again.
Look off the floor.
Hey, the price for it.
Yeah, the solo bind on a pure with a level six picked up
for the Beastmaster.
If they just had detection, they would kill Pure as well.
Unfortunately, they do not.
Only had the one dust and it ran out.
So, need some more in this game.
You must spots Ari, but you're not killing that guy.
This is just all recovery for that bow rider.
33 loving this right now.
It's like, good job, boys.
More non-lady farm for me.
Yuma already had 5 team network, so he's going to have a very fast Radiance in this game.
And, uh, I don't anticipate Tundra to really put any pressure on him while he's building this Radiance,
because who wants to go into an Abaddon who's free farm ball game?
Now he's gonna be generous. Might just carry this game pass. Look at that. The
stacks continue. A lot of these were built by the board spirit off the mid
invoker. Okay. Pretty interesting. That's a cool idea because it also gives the invoker
a little bit of extra gold. Yep. Very efficient for BGM, but he doesn't get any
of it. But he's going to meet your hammer build again to put some pressure on
towers get the early spell amp so 33 is just fully recovered I mean you can't
really shut this guy down he's the master of stack aster I guess I don't
know there was no way to rhyme that I gave up but you know what I'm saying yeah
he's the master of some some bullshit some offling that I should tack yeah I
didn't want to say it but yeah someone say this is the genius some would say
this is not right. I'll let you decide. Again, I will just highlight, like ViceFrog has spent
over a decade of killing off-laner tactics like this, right? They killed the initial pulling
behind tower, made it so you couldn't pull the initial waves. You made it so you couldn't block
creeps into the side areas like they used to. Took away the side shop that was available to you,
you know. So what you're saying, Offlane's too hard now? Or like, you know, I'm just saying that I feel like this is always going to exist, you know, because it's the kind of the only way to be able to play the Offlane, unless you're just going to full on stack, you know, just only laning threes and laning fours, you know.
Do you ever want to play any sort of offlane heroes that are not dedicated to winning lane? I mean, half that function, I mean.
now that you have to be dedicated to it but like I think you should have to play
the lane you know I don't think you should but just skip the entire lane phase mid to
but it's a discussion for a different time and place you know for greater
bend that was who's gonna find those now software you know the question the
next foul smash. KJ Hamasola behind, Dust, BZM, Considious Attic Storm, Ty Lung, they're
gonna go on some back, now the chains, and BZM should die here as Ty Lung can still catch
him. No, the fiends group is gonna stop him. Yomak, he doesn't have it a fucking shield
to help out the Ember spirits, and now Ember is out of mana to chase after BZM. How the
hell did he live? And now he's gonna tornado, hoping Whitebawn, Whitebawn's gonna get back
to the trees they're gonna chase him through the trees and he will take out
they get something out of all that but it should have been more he really should
have KJ sacrificed himself to bring this invoker back into the fray he just
time-zoned his way out of there man that did not feel great for heroic they
didn't finish up the vessel I mean they have the levels in the caudal so the
signups gonna start to come online now and the bad and still very far and the
beast catching up in the jungle, but it wasn't the hyper aggressive punishing early game.
I think they hoped to see, especially with how far tendrous course.
You know, if nothing's happening, these guys are just out of efficiency.
So it's always the problem in playing as this team.
You have to constantly make something happen or generally you're losing out
because all their cores are so efficient.
Well, I do expect to start getting really active because that Radiance is almost done
for you, Moe.
It's going to be like a 14 minute 30 Radiance.
Pretty nuts here, but it is a Nerf Radiance.
That is true.
Esper almost has his Aghanim Scepter, and they're just going to have some, you know,
just existing team fights and do damage sort of stuff.
Flameguard, Aghanim's Beastmaster, Radiance, Abaddon.
The thing is, those kind of lineups generally do not do that well against Invoker.
Invoker is kind of the anti-exist here, you know.
You can't really just exist in the fight against Invoker, because you just cast a Pazillion
spells out the images you burn germana has infinite tidy mechanisms disarm
mechanisms ice wall like very hard to exist but do you see here that you ma
won't get the kill on Ari in time dilation to bunch of heroes in the
back line here tie-longs coming as is pure pure comes through the gate merely
attacks the supports here at the end of the core is not gonna die to the Sun
strike 33 still gonna chase after him the clone's back does not fail out the
other support still though they kill pure and that's well worth it for her row
oh Yuma though no longer having his ultimate and he doesn't have his radius
just yet this is gonna be a bit awkward for him he gets off an robotic shield but
now the BGM invokers here they get a roar on to Ari but the tornado it lands
onto the B-smasher not quite on the Yuma Yuma still chasing after Ari here time
long he goes in with the remnant Ari gets a jump back he's gonna be gloom
back into Yuma here who finished him off Yuma almost dead gets off another
Therophonic shield, BGM's in trouble, he gets insane enough, Daphne blasts, pushing back the two of them, Yuma getting low, Yuma does die, but so does BGM, Tai Long now trying to make a run for it away from 33, but 33 gets that double, he goes after KJ as well, cannot stop that TP, where did we end up?
Did Tundra win that fight?
Uh, 33 won that play.
Okay, yeah.
Like, this man is level 14 now.
He just always does it, man.
I don't know, I don't understand.
This guy is just the goer, so...
He had the worst lane in this entire game,
and now he's the highest network, highest level,
with the highest arguable impact in the team play.
Disgusting stuff.
He just ran around that entire fight.
He got two fireflies off, like four flame breaks.
Nobody focused him.
He's just slaying everybody.
All the attentions on the clink, the boker, and rightly so, but
Got cleaned up by the Batrider, I guess. Now he is 500 ahead of the Abaddon
Five and one Abaddon with a 14 of radians behind 0 and 2 star Batrider at the jungle. It make it make sense to me, Austin
I do kind of wonder like he didn't have the radians in that fight. I don't know if he got it at the end or what but uh
I wonder if the how much of a difference it would have made if they actually had that radians burned out these heroes
a little bit faster because as it was it was a 4 for 4 but Tundra did walk away with more gold
and more experience off the fight. I mean they were missing the Radiance Fuer I think the first
half and they didn't have the peace master eggs they just got over now so they were missing the
guys. Right. Awkward time to fight for them. I also think Whisper didn't keep all like nothing
accomplished in their fight. Okay Roar to Aryan they didn't even kill him during that roar. Tornado
Meteor on Whisperer, but he did not expect there were gonna be heroes behind Whisperer a chains a roar and
Whisperer will keep pushing down the lane while VZM is now dead
Got him. Hey tipsy
That's a tip that says why'd you try to do anything should just farm yeah
Especially since he doesn't have a hand of minus you can't even fall back on the oh well
You know at least I use my hand of minus before I died
That's a classic, that's like a classic club death.
You get punished by Dota gods for trying to be active when you should just be farming stacks like your other course.
And that'll be the mid tower off of that, plus a cow room.
So smoke down to bottom lane with 33, with a Lotus Orb, Tumblr toy, and boots of bearing.
He is not an easy kill.
because he's gonna get rid of the chains almost instantly, he gets changed up, but he gets
glimpsed back, so he's held in place for a little bit now, Lotus, now TP away, another
slight change though, yeah, Chakra power of Chakra Magix.
As combos heaten up, still a lot of pressure, Rogue can put on the map, especially with
glimpses, just guaranteeing all these pullbacks.
Tundra, they want to continue the hunt on Whisper, not have fun this game being hounded
by this clink's but not even saying about a decimal chargers appear here only sitting on the two still
playing for the Roic. Whisper has mass entries queued up but does not have a single piece of
detection actually in his inventory. I mean we all know what that's that's saying all the comms.
,
turning off the radiance for the smoke play not to find a thing
20 minute for mentors come up to me still have yet to take the dire safely power away
It's gonna be Tundra smoking towards it
Without the clink so I don't I don't know if this plays gonna be that successful
Leave those empty being
Or they have the bigger objective on their mind screw torrent those two brooch
It's gonna be spotted by the Sun strike though. This will be contested
slight change on to the clink though stopping in from getting their timezone
on the two supports that they've already taken the Aegis but heroic may have given
up their supports for this where is it though they can help here which they do
introduce so meteor gonna be dropped on whisper roar goes out on VZM though and
tundra they got fooled into thinking they could contest something all they
just did is give heroic an even larger lead 2,000 net worth lead now with a
fresh ages. Whisper doing work in that fight. Gets the Aegis finally connects, a solid roar on
the best target here and this is over. You roar him every time and the catch on the supports was
nice at the start, but Otak Shield can stall that out. The fact you get on top of Klingson,
Pierce positioning was mega awkward. Kind of just sealed that fight. Tundra just needs their cores
to be a decent formation around. This void backrider who I guess are your frontline this game?
That's maybe one of the issues with their lineup, like who goes in first?
It's kind of got to be 33.
Ember Coddle causing them issues as well.
It's a lot of long range damage.
If you get Vessel Chain Solar Bound, if there's no Dispel, it's just killing you.
It does so much tick damage.
So that Lotus on the bat needs to connect on that combo on somebody, or Stamper is just
going to destroy them.
Oh, what a timing on that Sunstrike!
He almost stole away that Tormentor.
That was close.
Well, I like how our thoughts here.
I think this Beast Pick is going to start to shine more and more as we scale because
There is no real save for just going in, roaring clinks, roaring invoker, and smacking him.
I mean, what is the counterplay to that? You can sleep the guy, or I guess load us up the roar, but...
These are not the most straightforward interactions, and the areas continues.
He just keeps on being hunted down. One chains, and then you've got a bunch of heroes that love to gap close.
Then a bad end who will eventually get a blink dagger, whisper who already has his blink dagger.
Kurok running the map now. 6k gold lead, 5k gold lead.
He just, on an aggressive playmaker, they can spot it.
33 got him inside the commanding field static storm.
Holding onto the glimpse in case 33 tries to go for a TP way.
Nice low to sword timing.
All it does is delay the inevitable gears.
33 is definitely caught and killed.
Got the 4 though, plus 28.
Uh, true, true.
Thunder and dodge mode, they're pulling dodge mode. No way you're taking a heads up fight.
That's where this bad pick shines.
You can keep ratting this game, try and go late with the evoker and let him take it over, but
heros are in control of this game right now for the foreseeable future.
So, it's wide open. Try and keep finding some pick offs. They're kind of baiting easy and mid.
Hoping Tylong overextends into a grip alone.
But he wisely plays conservatively here.
This is where not having a farming support really kills your rat game.
Yeah, yeah.
You can see it right now.
If they had a hoodwinker, you know, the support bat rider instead,
and he could be pushing out waves, this map would look very different.
All white mountain R.I. can do is kind of set up hoping that they catch somebody with a fiend's grip play
But as he said, they can't really push out waves can't really hit neutrals very effectively
and you're bad time zone
And if they
They're set up for a kill doesn't go well then things really start spiraling against them
Because whisper has just killed BZM while they finish off these two support states for a while
but they eventually do get there. Now up 8k with three heroes dead on Tundra.
That's a spiraling really fast. Tundra do not have the lane shove to wrap them up and they do
not have the presence to stay on it. And the threat from Heroic has just picked up with this
Beastmaster coming online. Disruptor can guarantee you kills him like this cheeky support void,
zero up the waste too much time. Just what's the threat right now? Is it Tundra or the Rose Law?
it doesn't exist pure desperate TV way that's not gonna work for you though oh
I mean I don't know Avery would you say earlier today is pure getting back into
his top form it doesn't look like it in this game he suffered this game but I
do think I'd still favor or extract like I said at the start of the game I think
it's just more short threat the team fights better the objective taking comes
online earlier. I don't believe in the support voice. I don't know where this like giving me
pride. It does feel like a meme. I also think people are overrating time dilation. This spell
is not the old time dilation. Old time dilation could literally take entire heroes out of the
fight. This one is like, it's a good spell, but it is not, it doesn't just freeze a hero completely.
Like you still tick, you can still eventually get your spells up. It does not feel nearly as
debilitating. So that plus the fact that I think time zone is inherently a worse spell than chrono.
I'm not saying necessarily on support void, like on support void you kind of have to go time zone,
but is time zone a good enough spell to justify playing your own support? I think not. I don't
even think it's close. So I just don't really believe it. I will add one more thing. I think it
is a bad time dilation game, right? Because you have this spell from the aphotic shield. You also
I'll stop Chalker Magic, which can make their cooldown go to 0, which takes off a time dilation.
You also have heroes like Beastmaster who are very much like,
I'm going to roar and throw my axes and go in, and that's like 80% of his impact, right?
Maybe you stop a second round axe or something, but that's...
You know, he's kinda done his job with just that go.
I regret I think I rolled a couple of ways to solve the time dilation issue with a good war issue.
So it's basically back to the Invoker show.
Like, can Tundra drag this game out and go ultralight with the BGM Invoker and let him
take it over is very often is the case.
It's kind of your last kill there here.
You know, it's actually going to be kind of a shame if her ult wins this, because they
will then be 4 and 3, but they could have been 5 and 2.
the game. Uh if it wasn't for
the fact that they it was them
right that threw away the game
against extremes that
was also a tie long ember that
was a little too kill focused
in that game. Instead of
objective focus, probably
could have just wanted. Yeah,
yeah, you went to him for his
own good. Yeah, imagine like
they had won that game, then
they would be at the end of
this. They would be tied with
Hunter. They would be five and
two with Tundra, uh, and
actually be contesting for one of those top two slots but assuming they went
to such a big assumption this game is yes it's not close to over yet maybe up
10 game but don't plus puts this at a dead even game they actually say it's
47 53 which is I don't think it's that even no I but there's no way it's I
feel like this is like a 70 30 game it's probably confused because it sees
faceless void broker it's like yeah how can they lose like you know one
chronosphere cataclysm and that's right it's on point face this way to left
double chronosphere offer fresh a shard and then game just ends right so I do
you like unrelenting I I feel like I'm seeing a lot of this neutral item being
picked up in tier three I don't understand why because half the time I
don't even see like that many slows on the opposing lineup that I'm like oh I
guess this is good I think there are a lot of neutrals are just useless right
now so people just take whatever they can find any use out of okay move on I
think neutrals I think this is the most nerf they've ever been on this patch
smoking a smoke pure oh no instant static storm cage ages please right into
You're great fiend script, there's only back to Beastmaster, but if you don't get any damage out of your clinks, you don't have a hope of winning the fight.
These fights just look hopeless, man.
I do.
I don't know what you're supposed to do. There's a photic shield, there's low disorbs, there's BKBs, everybody's mega tanky.
Like, what is your damage? I don't even know what your damage is supposed to be. I don't even think 33 has gone to a fight in 15 minutes.
minutes because I don't think he knows how to win a fight so all he can do is farm hope
something happens with the easy m show this is gonna be another lost Roche and this Roche
can absolutely close the steamhouse you've got some of the heroes who don't need it either
You're going to give it to Whisper because obviously they have an Abaddon carry.
He doesn't need the extra life.
This Ember spirit has been largely untouchable.
I actually don't have, you've seen Elasso?
Like we just talked about how 33 hasn't been in any fights, but has he lassoed anybody
in this game?
I think there was one.
I imagine that fight that he walks away with, you know, like four kills or whatever.
He probably lasted somebody in there, but...
I don't even know if he lasted somebody in there.
But I think he lasted somebody once.
He's throwing off a storm, though.
I don't know what he is.
I mean, I guess, like, I don't...
I can't really think of 33 as a bathrider player so much,
But if it's just a hero that is able to farm very effectively,
and therefore he's able to get a lot of items,
and in this case, turn himself into an aura bot,
it kind of makes sense.
It kind of fits his ammo.
I mean, nobody's really a bad writer player anymore.
It's all that.
That is true.
Like, when I think of bad writer players,
I think of Bone 7.
And I don't know if that's a good thing to do.
You know what I'm talking about.
I don't know.
Even if you are like an old-school offlaner and used to play Batrider, you can't play Batrider the same way you used to be able to play Batrider.
It's no longer like just an initiator lasso guy.
Is it Maulry in a level 30 bat, actually?
It wouldn't surprise me. I think he's in a level 30 in a lot of heroes, so...
Yeah, I think he is a player with like the most bar riders in current level, but that can be bad
So that's just mega patch pain. It's not even the same bad, you know
Take me back to the bone seven bar rider days, you know that that was peak off
Yeah
Oh, the ball of the iconic off-laners in Dota 2, Bum 7 is definitely one of the off-laners of all time.
Oh, glimps back, there's Alasso on Yuma Zafatin, trying to stop Azim.
Well, they go for the other heroes, but yeah, BGM, he gets caught by a roar, but thanks to the time zone though,
and he might actually make it out of here again, getting away with like 100 HP.
The heroic ball is still too tough to break, they still have an Aegis after all.
There's really nothing Tundra can do about that, but they do limit their losses and cut the wades some more
All right time zone
saving
Invoker
Well, that's a jet member chasing you son
Thirty-two feet about heart
What the hell does heart do?
Just makes his crimson better like that
Is that it?
I don't know
This game is so weird dude. I feel like tundra are doing their usual tundra thing, but they
They they can't win this game in some way
Yeah, it kind of feels like a bridge to nowhere situation like they're building something, but like where is it going?
I guess, like I said, just ultra lakie and voker and can always win you a game, that's
for sure, but it's gonna be wacky and wild to get there, I'll say that much.
I don't know what you're doing about this guy, like this beast is just, he's uncounted
in this game and he is out of control about 20 grand, I mean nobody is fighting these guys.
Oh, fine.
And with the tornado, let's pure get out of here.
All right, last 30 seconds left on this Aegis.
Heroic, and he takes some tier 2s at least with this, and it doesn't really feel like
they're in a rush at all.
Another hand damage rune too, just pull back control pain off.
And Tundra will have to contest the next Roshir down the line in 3 or 4 minutes.
If you give another Aegis to this Heroic squad with her Freshers and all this late game,
they will go high ground with it.
I do think though if Heroic don't end the game with that, I think you start getting
into the territory where you become a little bit worried about Tung's scale.
For sure, I mean it's in Volker line up, like I will never count Thunder out with Volker.
It gets real wacky, real wild.
It's also an Abaddon lineup, like compare Abaddon to Clink's late game.
Even if Clink's is being hunted this entire time, like eventually Clink's is just going
to do a crap ton of damage in one fight that outdoes whatever Abaddon does.
Especially if you're stuck at times.
That's true.
Ari is currently stuck in a bit of a nightmare.
Being hunted down, they're gonna try and get through the gate here.
KJ's gonna spot the Clanksy to get some static storm on him, though his passive pushed him down to low ground.
Not good! And now the fiends group cataclysm massive damage on a whisperer.
Whisperer will die to hold that Tyhung!
He gets grabbed by the last toe, a photic shield to bail him out.
Nightmare not quite in time, but Tyhung is still stuck in all of this one.
The meteor's bringing him low, and Numa is left without any cores.
He's gonna blink backwards to see if he can dodge their tornado.
He makes it out.
Not all is lost for a heroic, but that was rough two core deaths dead for 80 seconds
So plenty time for tundra to either hunt down more heroes maybe get some objectives certainly a lot of farm KJ
Still got to go scepter. He'll be okay
They forced that
That was not the place or the way to take that fight and tundra knew it and very good lotus or usage
Whisper wanted to go in there and roar, that clink, but 33 Lotus Tim prevented that option, then the beast got gripped, then he just got slain by the army.
Now, you know he's going to get his ult off here.
I also opened one, but Gunsoul sent it back. That was a massive throw, they lost Gem off that bait.
I mean, they refreshed the beast, and then they got nothing off.
Do you think though that fight could have been good if the Disruptor in 8 did not push pure down into the low ground and out of the attic storm?
That was just unlucky. But I still think that fight is awkward.
Of course if the Clips is on the high ground and just gets be owned by the Beast, that's a very different story, but he still would have gotten noticed.
You still can't roar him there. That just, I don't know. That was mega awkward.
the tundra late game is you do not want to feed this team away your lead you
mind he doesn't have his old right now he's gonna be caught not able to blink
away he's just dead oh boy oh no what is happening yeah we spread his hand by a
lasso pulls back down into the clink's war goes out alongside the BKB he's gonna
try and beat down white lawn but he'll just die to the burning army this
And he hits hard, he's got his Daedalus, he's got his Burning Army, he almost has level 25 as well.
Is Heroic going to just lose this game? Go from like, it feels like guaranteed win for them to almost a guaranteed loss in less than 10 minutes.
They continue to get picked apart like this, they're going to be losing lanes of Barracks here and...
Well, Pure's already going to work on it. Tier 3 is gone. He starts backing out a little bit.
Run down KJ, still another 65 seconds till Whisper is back up with an Alacrity Clinkz.
You could demolish. It could go for a throw right here.
I don't even understand what happened this game.
Just such a botched sequence versus a lineup that you cannot afford to throw away to sleep
and they were up 15k.
It's gone in two minutes.
No matter what your analysis is about Tundra and their chances late game, they weren't
supposed to turn the game at a complete 180.
necessarily on to do it. Heroic have thrown it away and now Tundra firmly in the driver's
seat with pure just about to have disperser and level 25. You almost have level three
ultimates on some of these supports like the time zone. 33 is almost level 25.
Now you're gonna have that multi-shot if you want to take strafe cooldown. There's a lot
of damage. This Clinkz is just doing way too much damage now, so you're gonna have to find him in the fight.
Play these fights in a lot more of an organized fashion. Now that's what has
killed Heroic here in the last few minutes. They're just like limping into
these fights, getting picked off. It's not organized, there's no clear formation.
You're not bringing down the big DPS targets. Your lead is gone. This Clinkz is
a monster now. Full disperser on that dado as Deso charges. He has the Lincoln's,
to block the roar, because the Lotus on the fast that is being prioritized on him.
LinkedIn's on 33 as well now, just all in, stopping these roars going off.
Even Lotus being built on the bait, so Tundra identified the issues game in there solving it
with net worth, and you gave a lot of net worth to him. Roche is available bottom,
pure ones to just man up for here. Yeah, kind of free.
Nero can contest but they're certainly not going to get to the pit unnoticed here as BZM.
Ghosts walking him along, just in hit by the chains though.
Spotted Whitemon.
Highlong, he wants it.
Here is taking Roshan meanwhile the team is not helping out.
Highlong enough, they're too far away.
Roshan already being taken down but time zone of lasso back.
Both supports are gonna die off of this one.
Ghostseptor buys the a little bit of time, 33.
It's chained up here on the side next to your hammer from BCN from behind.
Tornado up in a couple of seconds here, running down Pure. Pure on his first life still.
Aegis is gonna be lost.
What can he do in the second life?
Lotus sword bouncing back to war there, but 33 is gonna die all the same.
Pure now in his second life, these heroes from Auroid.
Oh, Tylon almost gets bursted down there.
He doesn't manage to jump away to his rendent.
Yuma can't keep fighting without his ultimate,
and the meteor's gonna be dropped onto the Beastmaster.
It was close. Pure almost died a second time.
Bucks, Tundra just strong enough to push through even against the buybacks from both Theo and KJ.
So much EPS from this Alakrae, please. Nobody can stop the invoker that fight.
The ECM takes it over with the control and the damage,
contributing almost as much as the clays there. Now they're going to look to end the game trying
to hold them back with the chains, but Pyrrha with his Alakrae made short work of all the tier
for us now he's gonna drop the burning army heroic all in to try and finish off
the pure clink but he managed to just walk it off I don't roar for another five
seconds easy I'm gonna a little bit low tie long jumpy over to a trend that
somebody shots from these burning army trying to chase after me doesn't have
the right to jump away he's just gonna lie he does have a buyback though Yuma he
jumps back in a glove that's inside the saddest part and the clink is gonna die
his jesso is now gone and the throat the burning army but Tundra are not gonna
to be able to finish the game. They do not buy in for it. But somehow, Pure just bungles
his Deso. Dude, that was so bad from Pure. I don't even... He wasted so much time. He
was trying to like, take in something, but I don't even know what. He ended up using
a pressure shard but then he has so much room there's nothing in his back back so like why
did he need to give it back and then 33's courier ran to it and he 33 was just spam
pinging it like telling him to pick it up no I'm sorry I don't understand what you're
You're saying I
Good thing it was the game now. I don't I don't know what to say like that. That's was huge in that fight
Like the physical under hitting that
Absolutely, he pops a refresher
What and then somehow drops his death so when he's trying to put his threads in
I long gets the death so you just never picked it up either late. Oh
Oh my God, what a bungalow. I don't even know. This game is just bizarre, honestly.
Yeah, it throws it right back, man. heroic head this game well in hand.
Throw it over to Tundra. Tundra should have just been able to close it out.
Somehow lose a 4,500 gold item.
I mean, it's worth it. I have full charges on it.
Yeah.
If you buy another Deso, you don't have to charge it, so it's as if you killed a full
demon edge and a half and then killed the Deso.
Oh my, this game is something else, man. This is like Game of Thrones right here.
Level 25 on Yuma's Abaddon, so he now has that big attack speed boost, which is massive for him once he completes the Bashir.
He'll be able to just blink on the clanks and potentially just chain stone him
I'm pretty sure heroic should have lost the game. So the fact they're in this game as they win it
Maybe that's the secret sauce like heroic through this game horribly, but then if you throw it even harder
It'll swing back to them
And he said 25s on their floors now
That bloodthorn adds a lot of needed DPS. I
Think these fights are still a lot about the Lotus orbs and the Lincoln spheres
burst the war but you get around those you got a solid chance to win if you get on top of the clinks
of course there's BKB done for pure did not need to free up a slot port since he threw his
deso in the trash. It's a secret ancient technique, Austin. You still understand.
I do not. I do not understand. It's like the cloud is on the ground while throwing
you on. Give it back. Do you think if any player team in the world did actually give
That's a giga-chat move dude.
Hopefully the fur.
Try your roar. Walk by the lincoln's now. Hit by the lasso.
And kill before he has a chance at a second roar.
Dead for two minutes as well.
Is that the gate?
Like that easy just run uphill and lasso beast master?
Yuma tries to go for a quick execution on whitemon here. Timezone goes out.
goes out and Yuma, well he's not put up on the high ground but he is left with not a whole
lot to work with here, his ult's gonna be posse, he's gonna go for a TP away, do they
have the bash?
They do not.
He's blinked after whipping on cooldown so yeah, he's pretty lucky to get out there.
Trying to stall some time for this beast to come up on the mega long respawn timer.
I don't think Tundra are gonna mess around here, I don't think you're gonna see him
right of dropping 33 3 seconds left to lasso he's just hitting the buildings
with the shard
you'll backrider high ground with a lacquerty they're gonna get megas it's
a rope you're not willing to fight full-on without this beast master
tie-lung slight activates BKB nice nightmare on you but tie-lung jumps to
backline he's gonna have to jump back the basement so I'm laid-out into Yuma
I'm gonna go to Edgy, he's gonna be called, I can't do anything
dude I I don't know what we just I guess he should have like offered the
Desu as a parlay that was a bizarre game from both sides I I don't think either
team is happy with that game but Tudor are definitely more happy but I will say
is this invoke like I always think this invoker is a kind of a crush for them because I think it wins
in these games that they should lose but that's also the strat you know they kind of build around
the hero and they understand that so it's not a crush but I always get a little nervous with
them doing this and they pull it out here I don't know if they should have won that game but they
do get the dump. And heroic are definitely gonna be real sad about this group stages this is now
two games that they have a hundred percent thrown away things gonna have to get better for them meanwhile tundra
at stay top of the board what is happening with heroic like two games like captain's mentioned the
xg game yeah they defend high ground a little cheeky crimson down mid now you've got this like 18
thousand gold lean heroic they're just chilling play together but one by one through a twin gate
everything falls apart and like it's absolute nightmare fuel like they end the day with like
throwing away like kind of unwinnable games even like having this big lead and like they have all
the setups they have a gem they have a nice man they just should lose them yeah and it's like
you just need to do it cleanly and you can make it happen but instead i mean they give us entertainment
i'll give them that i mean it's entertainment but the problem for this type of team with all these
changes i'll i'll be honest right they're out of crossroads these type of games xg now tundra
you have a disband from it or you form yourself into a really strong team because like you know
What we use again from XG fix that problem. We lost the game against 100
Don't know the spin game like you either become a really strong team from it
Or you just full-on implode like there's no in between with these type of games like to get one in a tournament
It's kind of rare in itself. Yeah back in like back to back yesterday to today
Like they are really gonna have to group together get a real solution to why this is happening
Multiple times now because again, like I said, it's quite rare to see it
It's especially also like from this game like the mid game to like late game map movement
It's really like it's a very big deal like if you don't do it properly you will throw games
You will lose games and like not to say but like I would say also like jumping the gun
I mean it will be more like the highlights we see later because from here on there was like a lot of small things that like heroic
I like kind of building up to write they're winning fights because thunder they didn't have that much to do like 33 is feeding creeps
Pure was having a hard time BZM was having a hard time where it's heroic
They're getting everything they want they did like we wanted her like heroic or any team to make thunder annoyed and they were they did
They've shot down multiple areas of Tundra's attacks, BGM had died like 5-6 times on the Invoker,
Batrider on 33 was just mode farm, he does that in these difficult games.
Herok had done everything to do that, and of course earlier I mentioned this idea that there's crossroads, you know, what they can do.
I do feel like the type of team and how they play is heroic, they are going to become a better team from it.
I don't think it is going to be the disband route, you know, the extreme that I mentioned of course, but yeah, just, it is so hard for Herok.
You got to praise them, you know, right place, right time doing these little things like other teams might not be there to
capitalize on the blunders of the road, but again, it is
One of those games where if you are a heroic fan, this is just nightmare fuel
Like you just you got to be crying and screaming at the screen like no you are. Yeah, like it's happening yesterday
It's happening today. I will say that like whisper after being shot down a lot
He had a great recovery
I mean he was given the space but he was getting off like some very good place like solo kills here on bzm
onto pure as well. But then eventually the game just gets kind of thrown away and I will say Yuma as well
he had a way better game than a lot of the other games on his first pick at bad end.
But the thing is Dota is a team game and when you mess up, you eff up some of those moves
that big against a team like this, I mean obviously they will take that opportunity.
Yeah, and when we talk about the moments that Tundra capitalized on, it's such a specific small little moment because
going through that twin gate, we're gonna have a highlight of it soon, right?
It's the the the fact that KJ he puts his static storm right on to pure pure has been picked off multiple times in other engagements
But this time around it just doesn't work out the same way again
I'll wait for the clip before we start yapping about it because of course they go for the twin gate and KJ
Whisper the pickoff came throughout this game
But when they put the static storm down with the innate pushing and then yeah
Accidentally pretty much back out because of course clink's right next to disruptor proccing that innate he then goes free if clink's inside that static storm again
completely different scenario. Heroic probably can win this fight, right?
But it's not to be the case. Cleanse survives RIP for everyone.
Like because to me too, because yesterday I think they lost their games on like impatience.
Like going to the even like a game that's kind of free. Like here too, I get that you have to like this
like you see the goal, you're like, oh I'm going, I'm catching him, but your Beastmaster who has
refresher and roar ready, he's gating. He's like one second away from coming through. You could just
wait for blink, wow roar, the guy, he's just gonna die for free. Sure it's unlucky, like the innate
you hit, you get pushed out, but like you have all the opportunities. Like again, it's on you to
choose the opportunities you take. You can't just be patient. But you've, I mean every Dota
players had this. You've had these moments where like when you're winning the game and you're killing
and you have this net worth, your carries of course ending the game 12 through 12, like everyone's
feeling great. I got him, I got him guys, I got him. You know, like they clearly have this like
emotional response of like we're going for the kills, we're doing it, like there's not maybe
as much finesse potentially compared to other teams. And in that moment, the finesse didn't
shine and exactly what you said they felt like it was impatient but if the
shop that doesn't properly innate there if he steps to the side if you have
different static storm we are probably talking about heroic win in the game to
some degree there better chance of winning the game at least they aren't
just losing everything that quickly that's like why there's small things like
they do matter and also like I think sometimes you need to like anti-call
some things like I understand like sometimes it's impossible some guy
will yell and say I got the guy and yeah but sometimes you should be like no
like wait one second I will do it let me do it because if you have the chance to
go for like the 100% play that will work, you need to play for that.
That's what the top teams do.
Don't let the emotions like take over because, yeah, then it takes one or two
plays and the game just implodes.
And Pundra very quickly did that.
It was just, boom, the game's there.
And they got so confident.
So confident.
They got to play ahead.
We'll have to look at it.
Another replay.
We had to hold this one up because the pures are getting the base and it
walks back accidentally uses the refresher, which I think he tried
dropping on the ground and then you can see for batrider's courier 33-4 he dropped the
refresher because he's bringing his courier back in but I'm then questioning because if
this is who is he dropping it for bat is dead and Volker has no mana so I I don't this is
like just maybe he's playing from pure like maybe he just fat-fingered I feel like he fat-fingered
his tretzwhub but like this looks like some eternal nvki otaka game so like you drop your
item you don't do this and like what I feel like what am I watching and then it's like
They're not even like that.
It's, I can't even, I don't expect this from pros,
but that was the most human I've seen a pro in some time.
Yeah, I think this is just Dota giving.
Like Dota always gives, especially late night,
like late game, some stuff is happening.
They're playing like the fourth V1.
The games are full on like clown show, like.
But the 33, he had trust the entire time
because using that courier.
He kept trying to.
He's like, why is professional working?
And then probably because I'm not telling his team is like.
Amazing. Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Yeah, thank you to them for that game.
Amazing.
Great game.
And of course that is just very emotional.
And luckily we can now bring it back down to Earth.
A little bit.
Very professional.
Every time I see XG I want calm and respectful dota.
A quiet early game into a bit of fight in the mid game.
And of course Liquid will try their best to try to disrupt that
as we do have Liquid vs XG in the upcoming game.
What team do you want to focus on first?
Maybe on Liquid, because I think last time we touched on XG first, I liked their form, I feel like they look pretty good, I don't know if they've showed us everything that they have wanted to, I think there's more that they have in stock, but I think they're looking quite sharp and better than what I expected coming into the early days.
My thing for Liquid though is the heroes coming in to the tournament, they had some specialties,
right?
Of course there's the Conqueror that they played in qualifiers, but in the last they've
now lost a couple of games on it, so a Deceptive 4-2 because that's Slam, more towards the
losing side than the winning, and then of course like the Windranger heroes so that
they've utilized quite a lot, a 2-3 scoreline so far on 7.4, so I think there's a couple
of the specialties aren't hitting the same way in Slam, but of course they have a lot
of other specialties to play on.
That is kind of interesting because like when I think of this team, Windranger would be
like my probably number one hero for like Mickey, you know, like he plays the range carries this and
my carries that can't kind of like develop. I can see the Viper up there. I feel like Nisha has
played it a lot and it looks quite good, but I will say some of the stats don't really like align
with what I feel like the strength of the heroes that I've seen from the gameplay. Like Boxy's Tusk,
I think as well, it was three and three, but when I think of like hero player combination to me,
he's like probably top two best tasks in like all of the order two. Yeah, and that's the thing I
think with Liquid is even when their results don't shine on the heroes, they don't instantly run away
from them they will go you know what we can try to get we can make it work so I
think even though you see a couple losses on conquer I'm still expecting at
some point to see another conquer and the issue for that for liquid is that
might sometimes hurt them at some point where they need to maybe give up on a
hero but again the scoreline is still positive I might be getting a little bit
carried away but it's just something to know I mean I think after today going
into tomorrow we'll probably have to refresh ourselves in those here and it
goes these are the ones we don't want to see anymore but there's already some
alarms I think at least being raised but again liquid very comfortable on their
Yeah, I guess also like the tofu morana is like a hero that's probably like charming into this list like at least for like tomorrow
I get if I'm thinking about XG if like for them as well
They've impressed me quite a bit. I think early against bird was maybe a mixture of bird not doing as well
But actually also I think like showing us some good performance both as a team
But also like individually nothing to say on his primal that good movement Fy
No, some brambles were a little sassy, but then like the gameplay the itemization. It was good
So they're starting to look also more clean and more what I expect from you know the team of this caliber
I mean actually it's very lucky coming into this tell me more because liquid used to be this fast-paced team
You know you're scared to go against the back in the day when gaming existed game in liquid
They take over games 20 25 minutes boom get out of here liquid's not like the longest average team
Okay, that's also weird because when I look at like they're early to mid game. They do play fast
They want to play fast they get some of the oras going
But then maybe they just like mess up some like how do they have the longest average like if you had quizzed me
They would not be my top three choices of like this is longest average team. Well, I can give you the answer
Let's go. All right, because there's a skewed statistic
They have an hour 24 minute game an hour three minute game
Yeah, and a 55 minute game which does kind of bring the average up
They did win both of the hour long game
So they did show their might against both Navi and Falcons, but again for liquid often you were I mean back in the day looking at
25 to 40 minute being that kind of their sweet spot as a team with the occasional game
But so far in the group stage three games going 55 minutes plus getting to the later stages
It is I'm not okay. It's not it's not a new team. It's the post II team
Yeah, but I would personally still say that they are in this kind of they've yet to really go
This is exactly our hero pool. This is exactly our play style
Try and beat us because whatever liquid does well
They kind of hit this level of, you know what's coming, we'll still beat with it.
They take over a tournament.
When they win TI, when they win a Valahia, they take over everything.
They haven't really found that moment yet.
They're definitely still looking to find themselves.
I fully agree with that. I don't think they've had enough time to really make that happen yet,
but I think they're slowly easing their way into it.
But yeah, I think like if I just look at them, I think they've just been doing like better and better. I think for me, I mean, I've talked about Ace kind of endless, but I think for me still, it's just important of like, because to me, him and boxy are like very different players, they can make use of each other.
But I think box is a very kill hungry player early on whereas ace I think is a bit more reserved
He would prefer to like play for his game
So I always just really look at like their relationship and like how they can build on it because if they get out of the lane
I think they complement each other very well, but sometimes the early part
I think isn't always what I would like it to be
But that's the scary thing once they actually do answer that question once they find that yeah
Perfect synergy the heights of that combination
Can take liquid to another level the one that we're looking for of course
we're also looking for the draft between Liquid and XG.
to the right of you.
4 and 3 score line, if they are to win this potentially going up against XG and OG to fight for that second place spot
and then you have the side of XG that I just mentioned is, guess what, second place spot.
So yeah, pretty important series for these two teams, buying little automatic semi-finals.
Yeah, I think XG, I mean both teams honestly quite happy with this, I think Liquid as well,
they're probably maybe not even sure like themselves, of course, we don't know how their scrims are going,
but I think like if we look at their performance, they would always strive to be doing a little bit better.
But they get their draft pretty normal, maybe like kind of honest spanning out some of the heroes that XG have showed us earlier today, right?
The XXX Mars, the nothing to say primal that they played in their previous series.
They start with the Razor, has looked super good.
We've have seen Razor, you know, like falter maybe once or twice, but we saw it, he played in the offline, saw it be played in the mid lane, saw it be played in the safe lane, and honestly it has looked pretty good in offline.
random stat for you by the way please um the teams that xg lost to and the teams that falcons
be the teams that liquid lost to teams that xg be i think i said falcons they have some reason
but i don't know why but basically they've lost to different teams there we go it's a lot of
correlation in speed and getting outplayed it just is xg lost to two different teams liquid
lost to two different teams it's a it's a good old like the order of trifecta yes this team always
meets this guy, but they can't beat them, but they can then beat this and just keep going like a full-on triangle.
I wanted to check for that because like if Liquid know statistically long games then XG also they want to play
They play kind of a week for 15 minutes and take over mid to late game
So maybe they would have been a correlation, but no what to be the case just losing to different lands
So I have seen XG run timber quite a few times and I think yesterday it was
It was really bad. It was one of the worst games I had seen from XXS in a while.
It was a bottom-of-the-network.
Yeah, he got a big recovery. It was like some four or five ancient stack,
but I will say that I questioned this response a little bit.
I think if I'm Razer, I'm quite happy against Timber. He doesn't pressure me.
He's kind of a free target. I buy a BKB.
So I wonder if there's something else for XG to do with the Timber.
I think back in the day, you were more happy to max your W and play on chain.
That build doesn't really exist, because that spell has been nerfed like 9 billion times in a row.
So I want to see what XG cook with this timber, because this would not be my response, like not even top 10 responses.
But when you look at the bans though from Liquid, like the Slardar, the Primal, the Mars, now taking the Willow,
I was going to talk about maybe even Willow being a key hero for XG, and that's where Timber feels good,
because you just casually pick Timber, because all melee bodies have been taken out for XSS, then you get the free Willow pick.
It doesn't matter you have a timber, willow is going to have a good lane, then you play the willow elsewhere towards mid lane
It's like it kind of you're looking more towards FY and you're sacrificing it excesses slightly just to give FY
Kind of entry to the game
But very good balance from liquid to ensure that FY isn't just comfortably on a range tier room throwing artillery
Behind a just a body that is a timber saw. I do kind of agree with you the timber
It does feel a little weird compared to what other teams are drafting in this position
I mean, it does feel like a bit like susceptible and like obviously, Zhaoyi, he's kind of a, you know, he's a genius
But he is also stubborn in some way, but I'm just intrigued to see what they're gonna cook
I think with the willow band you could look at like some other fours that because I think when you play this lane
You definitely need to help the timber like in some way. I know FY has played lion and not a hero
I love but it's one, you know, you can create the distance between like your timber and the razor
I don't know if you have any other fours that you feel like they could cook up to like, you know
Well, you're good in the lane, you help your team a bit against the Razor, you're kind of chilling.
I mean, snapfire always comes to mind for the just being a bit more annoying from the 4 position.
If you want nuisance, it's a willow, snapfire, of course, I'm not going to above an entertaining rubic even though it is FY, that hero is lost in the...
Yeah, people are going to have to wait for that one a bit.
Yeah, sorry lads.
That hero's kind of cooked.
Maybe if there's like a jacarra, and then you get the rubic, and then there's like multiple reasons, but yeah, it's...
I mean, I don't know if FYI has played it a lot, but I'm always a fan of like Windranger support. I think it's kind of good
I mean, the reason I like Lion is I think when you have Timber, you want to build like a lot of 1 plus 1 kill combo
You're trying to do some like Alliance 2019 draft or whatever with S4 and like that just what they drafted like every opening
Like Timber Windranger?
No, Timber Lion.
Oh, I think it's like very-
It was like they won that one DBC season and it was like Timber Lion, Timber Lion, Timber Lion
I mean, if I'm just like thinking of Timber, I want heroes that like just lock them on the spot for me
I'll shred them. It's like you want like some DK's that son
You know like some Falcon's draft or like some lion that stuns them. I mean bad writer would have been cool, too
I think liquid quite spot on with their bands there. Oh, it's your level 30 hero
Cow man, so I do like the clock band
I think that hero would have been quite XD to lean against in this bottom lane
My only concern with Spirit Breaker is like charging a razor you kind of like
It's always awkward like he can slow you from easy distance
when you lock on top of him, you're just taking just constant damage, you cast a spell on him, you can proc his passive.
Things can be quite uncomfortable for Spirit Breaker in this matchup.
Of course, Faze, Shadowblade, drum down the line, you're fine.
Shakira also a very good here against Spirit Breaker, just ice-puffing.
Tiny also a very good here against Spirit Breaker because you can avalanche.
The ability to slow, stun and stuff this cow from charging through the passive to the radiant side will be completely removed from the game.
Until BKB of course.
I want to see how XG go about this, because I think the Liquid picks here are quite strong.
First of all, Jax Hero plus whatever will be a great lane.
I think the Tiny is very threatening.
Like you said, he's annoying for SB.
And I think Timber is a very fringy hero in the way that if you don't have a great game,
or you get put slightly out of position, I think your game can get kind of cooked pretty quickly.
So like Tiny, I like a lot for the Avalanche.
You can toss back into your Razor, get them tossed back into like an Ice Puff.
So I like the setup that Liquid have.
It actually does full aggression, right?
Timbersaw is going to buy Pyre, he'll mitigate Razor, Chakir, and Tiny in the early game.
Spiritbreaker, of course, even though he might not connect on charges,
even tanking one stun with a bulldoze to then open up the fight is going to be helpful.
You walk in, you then disengage, Avalanche on cooldown, okay, now you commit,
and then you pair that with the Shoktoweeb to play behind two big beefy bodies, like,
XG want to go, they want to play their laning phase, get an item,
and then just pretty much break them out.
XG, they often play a little slow, but around that 12-15 minute mark, I'm expecting them to just go, go, go, get one aura, try and kill.
I do like the last three heroes at XG pick, because I think they all want to achieve a similar thing, like play aggressive, look for skirmishes, play aggressive, disrupt the weaver together, you do well in the lane, you go gade, suddenly you can help the timber, or Sphermirka charges onto your lane.
I do think if you're liquid or like a couple heroes that look kind of juicy, I think depending on where you want to like put some of your pieces
I could see Ace maybe like bust out
That was not the hero I was gonna call, I was gonna look at like some axe potential here
I think you still want to look at like a weaver answer
But I will say it is a very good Pog game like when you play into SB disruptor
It's like well Pog, Ember, all the heroes come to mind so this one quite damn strong
I mean you're giving Nisha a complete free game in that regard, right?
Like again to half of his free-breaker a bit more every time you pick the hero
You want to have freedom to charge between your sideline
You're playing and myth if you can't do that then you're kind of obsolete on the map
You're kind of locked in you charge a puck like you said that's not happening
I've already mentioned the razor chikiro tiny also having ways to stop him
So I'm not expecting spirit breaker to be the biggest playmaker in the early game
He might force a TP and disengage
But if he's trying to go for the kill, I'm expecting him to die to create actual bad opportunities
We might even bait his team in. He needs to just be a TP beta rather than like a kill provider and
Yeah, Nisha puck very very scary. Yeah, it's just Gary hero player company like it has been for years
Mm-hmm, and this hero is very good in the right game
Of course you have you build like great items for yourself. You're very happy against all of these heroes
But nothing to say you see the puck
Now you got to go for
Pretty much as a lane counter, right?
Like when you see this type of game where he has all these freedoms
Yeah, you got to try and stop Nisha having the first 10 12 minutes
We get to the free witch played into blink and then opens up kind of this dominating phase of the game for liquid
And that starts with out sessing him breaking him in the first six to eight minutes
It's for breaking of course you can test the runes and do that stuff. So you have the motions
It's just a matter of find the hero that nothing to say can play and stop Nisha
I mean they're probably I mean you you got the ban on the voice for it. That's gonna be one more
I think heroes that come to mind are like
Decays in a way. I think that because the supports right now they don't interact with Park
You need someone else that like starts to play that the support's gonna kind of latch onto
I think the Husker band itself is also pretty good because the supports would have made up for the lack of catch from the hero itself
If you're liquid, I would say a heavy lockdown on the weaver could be cool
So I would in a way still be eyeing acts in some way. You said they have not played it yet, right at last
I I think they were playing it
I believe so. Let me have a go.
I mean, I think that's the hero I could see.
Um, I think Centaur is fine, but there's a couple of heroes that annoy me.
If I were to play Centaur this game, Timber and Disruptor specifically.
But I would say a hard lockdown or something that gives you auras and like an in-between, kind of makes sense.
No, I do agree. I'm just looking at like, yeah, I'm not really looking at a different hero and going, that should be it.
I'm just kind of on the same boat as you.
Which is also interesting, like,
Kanka is a hero that came to mind,
but I also think he would struggle a bit,
so this is just a bit more, you know,
taking out the Comfort.
Again, luckily for XG, they do have last pick in the draft.
Liquid then get their Monkey King.
They're quite the specialty there,
so off-lane Razor, protected by the Tiny,
and Monkey can go into the carrier roll,
so trying to take the fight to the Timbersaw.
Okay, not really what I would have expected.
I thought they were pretty content
with the Razor in the safe lane.
I will say Miki and Monkey King is also one of the better hero-player combinations.
And it also stops the fact that when you talk things up mid laners,
anyone that can try and counter the puck in laning phase,
what then happens if Monkey King TP jumps over and wants to be active?
You know, Jukira, Tiny, they rotate in, Monkey then also,
you can easily quad lane in the mid lane, play in the catapult,
do these shenanigans.
If there was to be a world where they hard countered the puck in laning phase,
instead, they just go for a Lush Rack.
So going kind of more on the farm fast between the two at least for XG nothing to say
We'll be able to farm from mid lane you might not counter the puck in that sense
But you can go kill a razor go kill a monkey king with the blink dagger
But Nisha still has the freedoms pretty much to do as he wishes
Yeah, I have traditionally or like historically always liked how XG kicked Lesh in a way
Like you said it doesn't counter the puck
But you will love your supports and your supports love you like they can go with you once you have blink and like play more
the sides, maybe even look to maybe ignore Nisha more so and you can cut through those auras
from the razor. But I do think XG, they do rely on all of their heroes kind of like getting what
they want, you know, getting to like play forward and like continuously catch the liquid heroes
because I kind of like what Liquid have cooking. Of course I can see where XG are going with this
and what they're looking to execute but it looks pretty nice and chill to me when I look at Liquid's
draft. I mean liquid it's just a matter of ace-wise the auras iconic yeah play
around wukong's and coil hold each other's hands that's like that's it
for liquid right or am I oversimplifying that I think so like they have good
lanes boxy has play abilities around if he wants to sure the weaver disrupt the
lane of top is quite annoying like both safe lanes are like giga strong whereas
both off lanes are fairly weak so I think it depends a lot on like the early
rotations from the supports what they can get going but like an early aura
Nisha has a very free game and like that's the one thing I'm like failing to see who deals with the puck other than ignoring him and looking to kill
His team that's not even like a blink or get buyer
Of course the caveat to that was always
Timbersaw or less right down the line will buy hex yeah very good game that you do have
Item buying heroes like that can sort that and then just have to blink agonies
Very unlikely to be the perfect catch on the park
But also an option down the line
I think for xg mainly their draft is built on if they initiate and make a mistake
Liquid will remind them and instantly punish them. Liquid, they can make mistakes.
There's ways to kind of counterplay that and kind of remedy problems.
But for XG, if Fy has a bad charge, he's going to be reminded.
If we were that opposition, he's going to be reminded.
You know, like XG, they need to play extremely well with this lineup
against what looks like just absolute comfort on the side of Liquid.
And we do have the game ready for you between XG and Liquid.
the game, and that's what we
want to do. What that last
victory. Tundra had secured
themselves a pretty healthy lead
in the group stage at a score of
five and one. Now it's a
question of who's going to take
that second spot in order to get
directly into the playoffs right
now. Extreme gaming and OG are
of four and three. So if Liquid can manage to get a victory here over Extreme, drag down their losses a little bit and hope that OG drops a game somewhere.
Then we may have this three loss tie between multiple teams for that second place slot going into day three.
But first we got to close out the last game of day number two here, Liquid versus Extreme. Avery, do you have a favorite?
My favorite xg based on gameplay, but I like liquids draft a little better in this one
I don't I don't like when xg picked the spearbreaker man
Shall we has some love affair with this hero? I've never understood it
He just thinks this hero is always busted every patch no matter what of course he did win the land plane mid breakers
So maybe that's why yeah, I did not say the same way
I think siros garbanzo
like this year's I think you're so bad he's not even in the trash can because
trash cans are useful this hero is not used
that's my opinion okay but they say they're in the trash can not that they
are the trash can well he's he's not even in it he's not he's in the trash
is not in it. He doesn't even, it's a disrespect to trash and trash games. That's my thing.
I actually just, this hero doesn't lane, it can't lane, it can't win lane. It doesn't
stack, it doesn't farm, it can't gank. It needs a lot of items to be useful in the fight.
It's fast, it's got nerfed. It spells got nerfed. It's shard got nerfed. It's damage
got nerfed. I will say, I think I'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying here, but I
do you think you're taking a little bit of liberty and saying the hero can't game?
He can't. Come on.
This is not a game.
The only thing the heroes can do, but he can't in an actual pro game where some
team is playing even moderately normally or well, this hero should never get a
successful game called.
Well, ace in boxy, getting a successful first blood in their offline duo,
which is Razor Tiny up against the Weaver Disruptor,
which I feel like should be a pretty decent lane
to make sure that the Razor doesn't walk away
winning the lane off of static link,
but they got first blood
and they're already beginning the snowball thing, so.
Ultimately, I have a little word for XG's potential
to get both their aggressive supports going
around the lineup.
If they could just start chain killing Liquid,
I think the slap will come together.
They have some high damage cores to kind of make that happen,
but it's going to require some outplay here,
because Liquid got this last pick.
Monkey used to be pretty self-sustaining.
They got the puck in mid that you can't gank.
This Razor is going to build up some more as already off the pre-get start.
So that's the big concern is, can you ramp up the damage fast enough
to find this chain kill action in glimpses and charges and make the game chaotic?
I do think there's a world actually that can win ultrally.
Not always easy against Nisha punk, but I do think weaver is pretty terrifying level 25 plus
And you always can go like ag static storm and stuff, but that is a long way away
By the way, this monkey said that that is not a monkey. Like what I don't know what that is, but that is I've never seen
Yeah, I've never seen a monkey looks like that
Uh, what do you make of um
Ace playing Razor, because we've talked about some of the troubles that Liquid has had with this new roster.
It feels like they're not quite certain what their identity is.
Ace playing Razor, is that going to be the future for this team?
Do you think he is a Razor Viper-esque player?
Because this hero is supposed to build Auras now, so it does that part, fits Ace's gameplay.
They're not his specialty heroes for sure, but he can play them well enough.
I think he's just more of a melee hero, dude, to be honest, like, I don't see this guy on any sort of ranged core.
I can't think of a single ranged core that, you know, like, spams.
It's certainly not Viper. He's only played eight professional games of Viper.
He's played 50 Razor games, but not the most impressive win rate, 54%,
Which given that most of his heroes his better heroes are operating in the high 50s or 60s categories
It's a little bit below his average
The only ranger I can think of is dazzle
There's a timer game and we're playing a lot of that flex around itself because it's a natural healer or a buyer
Oh, I this guy's familiar. There's the game get a bit that doesn't work
He did not work whatsoever.
He's also not an enigma player, right?
That's another aura off laner, but it happens to be ranged and he doesn't play a nicks.
He doesn't play rangers, man.
You don't mess around with him.
He's this guy, melee guy, he's going in, except he's not, because he's farming stacks,
but then he'll go in, or he's not playing at all.
Here comes the game.
in from behind and that's that's weird. Must have been a bug or something somehow the spearbreaker
gank worked out. I always thought it was from a very official source that this hero can't gank.
Anyway, hope the timbers are enjoying the life of the 1242 getting slapped in the face by
He's doing okay.
This is kind of what you signed up for.
Monkey King Jekiro safe lane.
Sounds disgusting.
Jekiro does not have a great win rate in this tournament.
Maybe the nerfs have actually hit this hero hard enough
that people think that he is still first big territory, whatever.
Still, the best vibe is if you can get your hands on,
but it's not actually reflected in the win.
Overrated hero
That's right. I forgot you have been saying this for quite some time. Yeah, I'll stand by it
I love jacquero, but I love him enough to know when he's
Underrated and when he's over it
Yeah, 12 12 12 games where he was picked and he's only one for them
Well, he's playing a spearbreaker score that all this wouldn't read
That's why I get the stacks up. Look at this
Look at him go. I'm beginning to believe that you don't actually like any hero. You just hate the heroes less
You know, I do here to say that that's not true though
Play heroes I like
Gank down here Misha says no creep cut for you
Gonna go for the dive on the razor
So the timbersaw he'll die the question is does liquids off later also die he does not in fact
It's ex Nova who is
I'm looking to die here the plasma field is up in a second that should finish off
He doesn't even need it. I may comes back in for another hit, but ace is fine
Just too much HP on this razor. They go for the wisdom shrine, but it's pretty early into things here
Ace is gonna make a run for it tipi away with the charge on him. He's fine
Well liquid half they could test other side now. Yes, this China's lost cause
I mean, I think it's guaranteed they have a monkey king. Don't think that extreme can fight this
Will cause command is gonna go out. They have to run away
In fact, f1 gives
Close for no reason
But I guess he's just trying to draw on the team because all of extreme is gonna join in on this the two supports
Will be caught on liquid the mass rotation like this. They got the monkey king out though
That is actually top tier spirit for your gameplay. Now you might be saying
But he did nothing in that entire fight and you'd be correct. He did do nothing, but
he baited them with his useless body and that was enough to secure two kills. Beautiful.
Beautiful stuff. I guess. I don't even know if it was really worth it for them. They killed two supports
but they had to rotate five heroes to do it, you know? That was worth. I mean they get back to
pretty fast here. Any gold on this
Lush is a big deal. You want to get this
Blink off as fast as possible so Slush can
just start melting heroes on the map.
Avalanche covering things, trying to get the
Toss back off the ice fast, but the
Connecticut Field will hold them at bay.
Coil on two, but they do not dare
to push into that high ground against the
Diabolic Edict, which is maxed out on the
Lush Rack.
Alright, I'll say something positive. I do
I think this beer breaker charge giving vision on heroes can potentially set up this blink
wash later in some nice ways as well as like glimpses.
I think the vision element this game is very nice for XGs, I know.
So even if the charges don't connect and directly lead to some spear breaker kill,
I think if FYI can get some good vision to start fights or if I pick also on the map,
he might not even need to physically connect his hero.
It might be enough that it just sets the rest of line of hope
So I kind of like that aspect of it
So you're saying he's a useful ward?
Yeah, that might get far and might come online later
I
Didn't stand off this lightning phase liquid up by one kick
A whole lot happening right now just because it feels like liquids lanes are a bit too strong
stream just hitting a lot of neutrals
Monkey King is fat though, the absolute free farm for Mikkei plus that kill, he is just
rushing deso and unlike pure he will likely not drop it on the ground and get it stolen.
This is the hope.
Very strong deso king.
Some of these XG heroes are not going to have armor for a very long time.
Weaver does not build armor, the Lesh doesn't get armor until way later on.
if the timber doesn't have stacks you can kind of get melted and these supports are just food so
i really like this desolative it's going to shock people
there you get one of these arms going charging after the spear breaker gets coiled up instantly killed
now the wilkong's man is going to be dropped on xxs he doesn't have a timber chain so he's
going to stuck in the middle of this his armor will not protect him against all this physical damage
now the orc to chase after these heroes the nine volatilistic no longer being a threat they go
off to the disruptor who will be chased down for a seventh kill to the favor of
liquid. Classic liquid move. Connect everybody to a reverse skirmish. Outnumber
your opponents and just run them down. Look at that some time since we've seen this.
It's a type of gameplay for me. Do it off of a siege wagon push as well. So
combined with liquid fire from tofu, they'll do a decent amount of chip damage
to this mid tower.
Just to put Ame over.
Just to help the Femmys.
There he is, like, the first time he's been there a little bit longer.
Charge out, Topu.
Gets off the ice path before the charge connects from FY Ame.
He can try and finish Ma here underneath town,
but he's going to be silenced.
He's going to be a close call with the F-Lange.
He gets the kill, but he will get killed in the process.
Not worth it at all.
No.
Especially since he was, yeah, 4x streak,
so he's getting all that gold straight back.
back it's going to the tiny hands at least that's why I get to walk that off
you know almost level six now on the XG supports and that'll give me a lot more
kill threat on the puck
stop looking for that blink as well so that'll be like the real early online
period for XG is blink lush with their support ults run around the map it just
chain kill as many people as you can.
Is this uh, Boxing when things on Tiny?
Is- are people doing this?
I mean this is old school, Bill, alright?
Yeah, I- I mean I'm glad, but I haven't seen anybody do this in a long time, unless I've just been missing something.
You really do when you're completely...
Pretty fair. You're something pretty.
Jump into the Stash Storm.
He's gonna do some serious work here, covered by the avalanche though, and he should have plenty of opportunity to get out.
Tofu not so much, he's got the charge on him. Tossback with the core break. That was very pretty.
Well played by Liquid.
Get a temper saw skill for that one. Another glimpse back onto Boxy. Boxy not afraid whatsoever.
And nothing to say, did not feel like he could blink into that situation. He's probably right about that ace.
He's scary to fight into, especially with this mech.
Hit the splitter, it's on the tiny underneath the tier 2 tower.
Boxie goes back in, hits the toss back on, and nothing to say.
Hit the kill for it.
Boxie, he gives up his life to kill yet another core on extreme.
Mikkei playing this game perfectly.
Instant Deso, instant value, six charges on the board, level 10 and a half.
As he had to die, he is now a thousand ahead of this weaver.
He tried to join fights as well, but just couldn't find the connections,
and then Aumei with that death mid.
They can't take you this game over now. This is vintage liquid right here
He's probably thinking man, I'm glad I'm on this side of it
This is what they did to me at TI. I didn't like that
Ace didn't go for crimson guard or pipe opted for kind of the middle ground between the two which is maxing the garden grief
the game. Smoke up to bottom
lane. Extreme playing behind X
X S liquid smoking Foxy and
Mickey out of here. The blink
is going to break the smoke
and they catch boxy, but it
would have been so much sweeter.
They could have gotten the
glimpse onto Mickey instead
the coil and they're all very
low here with the bound the
strike hit. This is almost
finishing off nothing to say.
If they are fire is not going
to keep them alive. Jump down
Mickey chasing after more.
Gotta be careful of that
I'm laid out onto the two of them here focusing on the monkey king.
The monkey king gets a kill before he goes down.
XXS is low.
Nisha's going to top after him with a sound,
spinach them off.
Aame strikes again, goes after Tofu, can't finish him off.
Shikuchi's away for fear for his life.
He knows the control from Liquid in their fighting right now.
Too strong, and to be able to push through all that,
4,000 net worth lead for Liquid.
Great fight for Nisha.
Don't want to see the monkey king going down,
but he gets the SL charges out of that.
It's not the worst outcome,
and your puck can also scale really well in this game.
So Liquid's still very happy about these exchanges,
just bringing the numbers, making these connections happen.
It was a great static storm from X-Tor,
but it didn't feel able to lock this monkey king in the area.
But that was also a fight that Ace never joined.
He TP'd at the end.
Kind of weird, I feel like some of his TP's
on the squad have been really weirdly timed.
Like he doesn't want to join the fight, but then he decides he should've, so he keeps
his at the end, and the fight's already done.
He's like, if he really wants to play his style, if I just want to stick my lane, he
gets me.
Oh no, who got guns?
He's dead.
Oh.
Okay.
Almost made it through the game fast enough.
We'll be training on safe lane towers.
Well that's good for our G, because they were not defending top.
And Omni got a lot of it at this time period.
He's a fight point.
having himself a very solid weaver in here. I mean he hit that bad death mid which I think is
overshadowing his position but his position is very solid.
And he has some good matchups here. I mean the tiny puck are very rough but the monkey
came razor are quite good for him so. His weaver gets big I can see him carrying this game.
You know, all they we trust, all they we trust is the next Nova.
More Darm for Boxy, who off of the phase boots and the windlace he has is very fast and he's
rapidly approaching a blinkdagger, meanwhile Mikkei and Ace kill nothing to say in the top
Plains Lashrack is having some issues here.
This has not been a runaway Lashrack game
where he picks up blink daggers, run around getting kills.
Tough targets to run into when this came.
Puck with coil, monkey king, you just beat your ass.
This tiny's pretty tanky and can toss you away.
The razor's pretty tanky.
Also a tough matchup.
NTS was off putting the easiest position here.
Still having himself a fine game.
But at some point actually we'll have to connect all these heroes into some sort of aggressive team fight
Lincoln says the next choice from ace again not opting for pipe or
or...
friending guard.
It's selfish, what's somebody say?
I don't even think he needs the Lincolns this game.
I don't think so either.
Just for charge?
At least.
None of the course is actually a lot of care about Lincolns at all.
This is a very string-driven choice.
If he's going Lincolns, it kind of says he plans on
spending most of his time away from his team,
Which, in order to stop the charge, in which case, why do you have Guardian Greaves?
Like, why are you building?
I don't know, it just feels a little...
Yeah, I disagree.
I think you just go...
...pipe crimson here, or...
...you go a hybrid build.
You know, like half-scaling it.
Some damage or tank or something.
You become an anti-capacitant from what Nisha's punch!
Nice toss away from Boxy, though!
Bails Nisha out of a sticky situation and now nothing to say is in he tried to do it for a lot of damage
He's doing a lot ace keeps himself alive with the essence ring enough to finish off the last wreck and make a run for it
Spearbreaker dies and meanwhile, Rame still looking for catching these backline heroes
But he keeps it by the avalanche they had the vision to catch him and he dies instead of killing all these low HP heroes on liquid
extreme drop four
How did it go so wrong?
you land a static storm on puck and you kill nobody and honestly I don't I'm not
gonna say with a hundred and thirty but it kind of looked like that charge bump
pushed Nisha how does the static storm a we enough that the cost to go off yeah
yeah I pushed into the edges of static storm or boxy was able to get the charge
so if he's not pushed I don't know if the tiny could get close enough without
getting silenced himself. So that might have been an unintentional
agreement, but that is the spear breaker life. You know, you live and die by the cow.
Either way, that is a very close team fight for XG, but the timber wasn't really there.
XXS shows up at the end, and then he did his damage in the fight. That's a game deciding fight.
Once more, liquid with the numbers is what is winning them this game right now.
I'm going to see his timbers bottom. You look at that minimap. He's bottom. He never comes into this.
Nothing to TP to, it takes it forever. He has to TP to Tier 2 and run.
Imagine he is here to timber chain in and clean this up, right?
That's just a solid TP I went for, actually.
And then D'Nami doesn't have to like try and be the person to finish up these heroes and get caught in the process.
It's a completely different situation, but instead Liquid will hold on to their lead rather than lose it
and build upon it 6,000 net worth for them with the BKB complete on the Monkey King and almost maxed out charges already on the Desolate.
He's massive.
Oh, 15.
She's doing so much DPS.
Of course, you always have the puck to pick up the extra scale here as we go late.
Man, I'm sending you for a puck.
It's tiny, it's done work. It's been a really big problem for XG. If you don't kill Boxie
early on and he gets two referee combos off, it's gonna win like almost every fight. It's
way too influential at this point in the game versus these low HP cores, especially the Weaver,
just so much of the rage people.
Tiny Gates said that the Razor looks better, which I think will be a really nice...
We'll pick up here on Ex-Nelva.
It'll be a nice hero for Liquid moving forward if they can make this a threat.
Ace Razor, because obviously they already have the Mikay Razor as well.
So they have some flex potential, you can do it mid like some other teams have done.
other teams have done would add to their arsenal for sure and sometimes of a game
two one and ten that link is is done I thought it's gonna take a lot longer but
finished it up pretty quickly here so now you can split push to his hearts to
play and you cannot be charged so take that a fly
the
school after on the events of the avalanche
of a seven-a-half-match-a-half-a-half-a-half of the
for the Lesh all that was going on which is a pretty big ruin here for NTS.
He's had issues surviving in the fights and kind of tying it in and out.
This helps him a lot in the next fight.
Topu had been trying to cut waves here.
Actually, we'll back out at the perfect time here.
I thought maybe he was going to go one more wave and get caught.
He goes through the gate, joins the rest of his team, and this puts him on the floor.
Boston's already found his opening on FY.
Avalanche toss back.
easy peasy. I have no comment on that kill. Okay. I feel like that might be, and I won't
say no before. It's Rookshot time for Team Liquid. Focus on that before Avery disparages
uh, spirit breakering further.
Dude, I feel like I've seen this from the extreme at least five or six times.
They always pick this hero and it always goes horribly wrong.
And why stop in the charge in order to get off the ultimate and catch tofu.
Tofu down, Roshan not dead yet.
Liquid will be able to do it though before Extreme gets there.
Extreme is not making a move for it at all.
Oh, continue to find the electric oldest game and some pick offs keeps their core networks
looking pretty solid.
The entire lead for Liquid is basically on the subs, so...
As long as you can keep getting some big items here between the Lush Timber and Weaver,
you always have a chance to win fights.
Again, very high damage Tri-Core.
They can just burst some of these heroes down incredibly quickly if some of the Disable
ever lands.
RAW Commons have kept themselves quite close to, mckay's network.
Only 300 behind right now and if they can kill mckay that'd be excellent.
Boxy trying to cover him with the avalanche here, mckay having the bug on him, and jump
to the trees.
but it felt like with the built bang there actually got him static storm.
Shadow is waiting in detection, they've got enough to be able to spot him, coil break.
Boxing does it again with the cost back here and the outland covering him not allowing him to get off the ultimate carry for carry
And Nisha with the amp damage
Will get the extra kills out of this one for sure. It's ex-Bilba first. FY is already out here
Maybe NTS picks up a freebie
Tofu they're gonna run for it, but he's got charge on him anyway
what you're gonna say
the charge continues on the boxy
and each of you like you want to catch the last track
just take the cat flies life yet again
well what turned out
to not be a great sequence but she started with a look like a three month
kill. And now it is the puck that is the largest problem in this game. Lincoln's here of his own,
starting to scale, has so much AoE cover behind him that this puck's gonna be able to go in
aggressively and get bailed out by an avalanche or ice path or whatever until XGF BKBs to
to commit on him. They are working towards him on the lead from the Lush, but still weighs away here.
Is it just a... Is it just a Silver Edge, buddy? I mean, Mickey getting Silver Edge on Monkey Game.
I don't even think the break is that good for this game.
Yeah, it doesn't look amazing here. I don't like we've seen the Silver Edge be too successful.
I mean, I kind of see that like in general, I think Shadowblade has more value in the big map, right?
It's harder to be on the d-boards and be sure to like catch the hero.
So if Silver Edge gets buffed, you have further excuses to buy this item, but it does not seem like it's actually that impactful, as you said.
I think I would have rather have just seen either more damage, like straight data was
resilient or Scotty, I think is quite good this game.
Silverage is some hybrid of survivability, catch and damage.
And when you're, when you own more of the map like this, it is good for being a lot
down here, which is exactly what Mika is looking for right now.
Got the Bound of Strike.
Storm goes out trying to bail out on me. Can he get off the time-lapse? He cannot. Man, he needs a BKB so badly the chain stuns
are ruining him right now. Yeah, no way to play these fights without BKBs anymore or extreme
Just trying to get him up on all three of their cores. Probably need one on spear break or two
I don't think I can have a fight without it. I mean
Ice pack and random avalanches and stuff like something's gonna stop this charge
Still a minute on the clock for this Aegis, Nisha.
I'd love to use it aggressively.
Boss back on that fly into the ice path.
Trying to get the charge away, didn't have a good charge target elsewhere, I guess.
Hits the tiny with it, so he doesn't really go far and will die.
You're gonna get out of here.
That's a sad cow life, man.
I think he's currently baiting out a Wistern shrine but nobody on Extreme is on this side
of the map.
He's gonna go Scotty next item. He agrees with you that it is a good Scotty.
He would get it at some point for sure. However, if you want it.
Leshrac, Tindersaw, very good. Very good item against those heroes.
It actually does have the Lesh BKB and they are 200 off of the Weaver BKB.
They're about to get a pick off, I believe, on Tofu, though.
Same might be said, they're going after Ace.
Ace, who does not have a BKB, can't get out of the kinetic build right away.
It's being shredded.
So they got Tofu, they got Ace, two kills, back to back,
and Aisha will finish off the Disruptor with the coil.
But an opening here for Extreme on two different parts of the map.
Catching Liquid off guard.
Caught sleeping a little bit.
I mean, the Monkey King's on the other side of the map, so you're not really looking to
take that bite.
Just kind of bluffing with your positioning.
XG, they call your bluff.
Starting to get beefy views on somebody's cores, giving them confidence to go in.
I still believe that XG's ultimate scale can cause liquid issues in this game.
Especially if I'll make you truckin' like he is.
He's a little bit bigger gap between him and the monkey king, but
I would say the weaver has a bigger spike at level 25.
if
only ever sure
if I see a lot of money really worried about the one you like, I can work with the public
I'm not sure if I should just go back and see what happens.
They will have their triple BKB threat.
X-X has finished his up very shortly here.
Upquil on Ame.
Ame does have the BKB and he will use it early here.
Too afraid of lots of negation.
He's got to use the time lapse before the BKB inspires here.
I think they got something out of Extreme Gaming.
pretty happy with it. They're ready to keep taking the fight. There's no way that Extreme
will take an engagement without BKB on Weaver. So whatever they're fine, they will kill him.
That is XXS. Easy poke from the puck. Sets up a little overextension from XG. Not everybody
can commit though. BKB not completed for this timber. He was very close, but now he's set back.
I want you to know, Avery, that you set off an argument in chat, when you talked about
scarebreakers ganking and like, you know, professional play and how unsuccessful he largely is at
ganking and at the pro level.
people are doing about that back and forth for the last 30 minutes. It's still going on.
About what? Whether it's good or not? Whether you are correct in your assessment
of Spirit Breaker being good at ganking at a professional level.
I mean, he's not. He's just not. Like, the games in which he's good are when you get some
he has no stuns. Yes, of course in a game with like a zero stuns, he can gank you, you
know, but that's the thing at a pro level that's extremely rare, you know, unless you're
playing against Kuroki like eight times in a row, there's gotta be stuns in the game.
So that's, you have to average that out. That's all I'm saying, I didn't bring it up for you
to give your opinion. I just, I just think it's funny that they're like six different
Dudes arguing back and forth for the last 30 minutes about that
You know and I look I'm a huge spearbreaker fan
I love this here is one of my favorite heroes, but that's how I know
And I played it in pro a lot and I know it's you you think you can connect in these games and like
People have good columns. They call out. They have a lot of stones. They place wards for you
Like you get river warded you get spotted and people back. I like
He's a way better fellow here, that's all. Yeah, he can work in programming play.
Of course, you know, maybe people don't pick stunts. Maybe they don't communicate well.
That's all.
He breaks the smoke from extreme. We're all gonna get outside of their base here.
We'll be denied.
We will be forced to sit here a while longer. They gotta get outside of the base though because Roshan is gonna spawn soon.
They're so close to that spearbreaker we gave you.
Oh god, dude.
I'm not.
I feel like...
I'm going to get you, Rating Chat.
No, I'm just saying I...
No, I'm not.
I just...
I want people to know I'm not...
I'm not purpose to try names to get clan wars in the chat.
You know, like...
Roshan Roars goes off.
But the mass rotation's coming in nothing to say.
Thought he was just going to take a mid tower and he said, okay, you're going to Roshan.
I'm going to take the mid tower.
They don't even let him have that.
They barely let him have a teepee escape.
Did he escape though?
Space created.
Space for FY.
There's a TKB.
There's space.
I also want to say that I can't believe Ace has 19,000 network.
Well, that was the Lincoln's, right?
His build just looked so uninspired, you know?
It does not look like it.
Lincoln's, Mantab, like that doesn't look
like 19,000 that way this will scale though because the power the link is is
you could just show on waves and not be afraid like that was a higher purpose
in this game which means you can just gobble up fire eventually scale in some
more some more right click
the man's I don't know about either but the power to him you know
I
Four minutes on the ages on the other side
Nisha's trying to finish up his octa ring almost out of it
Actually are still finding farm though. They're not really I mean they're behind but again a lot of that is support network difference
Which always matters, but I think these actually supports were always good
they're not nearly as good a farmer so they do not have a bachelor here so I
mean it should be fine to TP out
been a lot of nightfalls in this game
the xg are just far enough I don't think this game necessarily is worse but
game states the game state that's just how it is as long as you keep buying big
scaling items and get your weaver to 25. You have four BKBs and you know, she doesn't last.
It's not as if the monkey king, it's not like one king got so much scarier with the purchase of the
lincoln's, you know. I agree, but I do feel like eventually one of these pickoffs is going to, hey,
one of these times you're going to get the weaver on, you know, blink, blink toss into avalanche
into boundless strike. There are too many chain stuns that they have available that you stream
just keeps pushing like they are. I feel like eventually somebody's getting down.
Or they could have thrown a line higher.
There's a monkey king basher. That helps.
Stop the nightfall
Well, yes, it's just a full mid-laner barracks here extreme gaming feeling like they can't actually go after Anisha
Waiting for weaver be getting up in five seconds here
That is a lane gone
They still have Aegis to work with for two minutes. They can go for another icon push. They won't have the banner, but...
I mean, frankly, stream gaming is passive enough. Why don't you go for the toss back onto the Timbersaw, stream to the ice path,
exercise, peek it off the DKB though, before the ice path can catch him there, and he'll deliver some big damage over to Boxy,
trying to get the Timber Chain away, actually except Zagatum, except he's now faded away. He's alive for now.
Can Disha finish him up back in the fountain area? No, he does not give up the chase.
He lets it go and just accept the boxy.
Dying for an initiation that didn't quite latch there. Somehow the cost back in the ice path did not change stuff.
I think I got thrown too late.
Yeah, I think so too. He almost killed the Timberthroo and he didn't get agged at any rate. That was an insane honor.
of the
so that's a little spooky for a excess of
five inches and one of the
the success of a whole version game here
to keep the game going
looking for the river 25 minutes the biggest thing
yeah what I thought you were supposed to buy out the shard to farm
no I'm gonna get by it
I guess if you have the meal there you already have enough farming capability I
guess I bet shard is probably the deso build disgraceful to buy a shard as a
carry you know okay just honor you're not supposed to buy shard as carry can you
You're supposed to go kill Tormenter and give it to you after two supports by the player.
Yeah, I was about to say, your supports are supposed to buy first item shard before 20
minutes, you can get a chance at it.
Yeah, 100% dude.
That's good support gameplay.
Well, speaking of that Tormenter, 40 minutes is almost here for the fourth Tormenter, third
Tormenter of the game.
The game just is out, so if actually you want to get aggressive with this smoke, it's time
to do it. There's creeps in the base. Watching Liquid, I just don't think they're going to
get that opening. Liquid seemed pretty disciplined right now about maintaining a formation around
each other hey f-wines hit neutral so he's farming man he's far not farming up
a storm but he's farming little dust devil maybe he's got a little patch
It's a corn growing out back, you know?
It's just a little home guard.
That's right, he's not farming, he's gardening.
Of course, I'm surprised that he's not more far with all the very successful ganks he got off in this program.
But, I guess kills just aren't worth that much.
That's true, he's been a part of 12 kills.
kill. 12 out of 16 of their kills is all just sad. Yeah, he's also 10 of liquid 31 kills.
A third of the deaths of this game are on the spear breakers. Oh, you said it yourself.
That spear breaker gameplay right there. Go in and die. No, the one death was. The rest is just the
hero gets stunned the once and you're gone. There's an AC, oh my god. That is a nasty
item in this game with the armor milk that's going on. I'm looking around for like new items
for extreme, but it feels like all of the really big items you're just a bit too far
away. You got the level 25 on the weaver and you have a refresher on Lushrex. Those are
good but I feel like you need this
Scythe of ice that x-axis is looking at
I feel like that could be really
impactful because Nisha has been way too
much of a menace in this game.
They will hit the Weaver 25 here with
Zatanic though that's pretty big. Is
a refresher Lesh?
I mean like if you have Hex I kind of
get it. But with this build what are you
refreshing? I have no idea. Double BKB is
it that important for NTS? Also the
The issue with the refresher on Blesh is uh, it's 400 mana, and mana is damage on this
hero, so it's a 4th of his mana pool.
Boss back on the Timber Saus, swiftly executed, Ex-Joba, TP away, he'll make it, um, ishukuchi
is out, nobody else will die for that, but big pickup, dead for 80 seconds, liquid, we'll
hit the high ground.
is insane. If they all focus the same target with the armor reduction you will not survive.
Homie's damage was not impressive right there.
Try it again on Mikeng, alright. It's a little bit of a chunk in there.
Nothing to say it goes for it with a splitter, it doesn't really land.
Refresh, another round of Splitter from Diabolik Edict.
He is ripping through these heroes and he will kill Ace.
Almost get killed by the Monkey King as well.
In fact, Voxy almost takes down two of the Diabolik Edict.
Close call, really.
I mean, they actually came close to being able to go even in that fight.
Oh, without Timber?
Yeah.
Not the first.
This is so much network damage on my core, but...
of
two many scaling course for liquid here with a razor going up the link is bill paid off in the sleep in
if
I need to just go divide weaver here on
the overwhelming burst and
combine that with the size of ice that they now have on xxxx like that little bit extra control and that much first damage it would work if army was alive for it but army gets caught first he does have a buyback
BKB has a glass for a long though. Zagatum Sector is now out, now they find back in the weaver, but XXS is already dead.
So Ame's got back into a fight that they do not have the numbers advantage for.
Well there goes the debinary peer drain.
Yeah, there goes that.
It was just too hard to play for XG when Liquid can just land their stuns, and the stuns for XG are so hard to connect on these cores.
All these Lincoln spheres, defensive toss capability, monkeys in the trees.
And that Weaver kill happened with them messy up the coil.
The coil didn't even hit it. They tossed it out before the coil.
Oh, trying to get Decius, this static storm.
He walks out of it just in time.
Now the meter gets bashed up, epistol-plated, and killed.
Let's die back for Amé.
That's the end of the game right there.
There's just no way extreme as weak as they are.
We're going to be able to keep this game going
without their carry.
Oh, that's kind of a sad way to go out of this one,
but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Out-tempo in this game really, like the early game.
It was so solid from liquid connecting everybody
in a game with some vintage, very monkey king gameplay here.
Click this early game over, the other hero scale,
and then you have to deal with like the Indonesia fucking.
That is not something you're likely to be in,
I don't know what drafter I had to have, so.
I like what just running him off the field.
Shreem, I guess they're gonna give it one last hurrah here.
They will be forced into a 4 versus 5, still 60 seconds left on the weaver.
It's all up to nothing to say.
Make something happen, drake, get through the lake, he's got those sights of ice on to the razor,
Chained up the stuns, but it wasn't good enough.
Couldn't burst him down fast enough.
Ace.
He survives.
Get a massive drain onto the Timbersaw.
2G is called Extreme Gaming.
Will drop their third loss of this Blastland group stage.
Tying them up with Liquid.
And a score of what, five and three?
I feel like actually you were stronger than this game showed,
but Liquid more consistently stepped out here.
I mean, this was, again, a classic with the draft with their style that worked and connected and that tiny from boxing is huge.
I'd like to see them play that here more, honestly, and I'd like to see them go back to these aggressive carries for Mickey.
I think those two things really shined in this game and can continue to shine for them, and so they go forward.
Oh, and that actually makes things pretty spicy, because it looks like OG also lost the game,
so there is now no longer a team outside of Tundra with two or less losses.
So we are going to have a three loss tie between many teams as we close out day two.
And that was going to be my point.
I was going to talk about how going into day three.
It's stolen, but it's OK.
We're all checking in on Wikipedia.
We're all looking at the results.
And yeah, that is going to be four teams all buying that.
Even the indexing at four and three, they got a game in place.
If they are to win that game, they can also go into contention for that second place spot.
So it is a matter of anyone's game going for that second place.
Tundra just can you know of course already six and one put them to a side
We're assuming that they kind of locked their cruising their cruising their way through to the semi finals
Yeah, I mean they're definitely leveling up their game
But you know enough of them we've seen them enough as this game
It felt like I mean I wasn't too sure like early on already in the draft like this starting with the timbre with the sp13
I call like full-on sauce. I think actually might like step away from that. I need some little bit
I want to jump in real quick for that. Go ahead. I know I sounded a bit negative after the last game
I'm gonna sound even more negative this game. Alright. This was the worst Spirit Breaker pick in the history of me watching competitive Dota.
To pick Timber, to then go Spirit Breaker, opening yourself up to show what your double mid lane is, to offer up Jekiro, to pick it into Razor, to give away a Tiny, to allow Nisha Puckley.
You're basically giving Liquid all the compass in the world. If you want your Timber Sword, I want that 13 that you mentioned, that pick position to be the ranged guide to bring life to the draft.
not a sacrificial spirit breaker who can't gank me, can't gank bot, can't do anything other than die and wait for a BKB.
They pretty much just shot themselves in the foot with a, you know, a shotgun or whatever by picking a spirit breaker.
Any other hero pick? I feel like there's a game to be played.
They actually showed moments where they could have played a game, but it's like your timbre was so far behind, because you gave Mikkei just such a free time.
Yeah, and he was like full-on chilling, like they made use of like all the space that they got where it was a three-pot game on A-Team.
Mika gets the last pick on the Monkey King. I feel like Ace bought like kind of questionable items,
but honestly it didn't matter because they didn't really have to play into anyone, because XG,
they didn't have that many plays on the map. I think this was like a more quiet game. I think
this is where they can learn. I'm happy with how Liquid played, but I would say even like there,
like minute 25 to 40, I think there were nicer and more cleaner ways to like, you know, end this
game. So even them, you know, even though they take this game convincingly, there's something
nice that they can take away, watch the game, learn a bit more about overall, kind of the Liquid show.
Yeah, I mean, it's one of those like liquid, you can see the win at like 15 minutes, but they just want to slowly do it, right?
And I think maybe liquid of the past would have been more decisive if they want to crush their opponent, but there was like moments where you just felt like, again, like I said, maybe in replay review, they'll find where the lack of pacing is.
But even at the end of the day, like, they can play like this, and you know, they're still going to win no matter what it felt like, at least I didn't really see a window where I said, Ah, that's the magical moment.
Yeah, especially because it just is so obvious that there's a lack in the draft or a lack of the gameplay that they can go for on XG.
Even though Ima had a really good game, then he goes mid, he dies in the tier 1 fight, then five minutes later he gets his next item and finds himself too deep again.
So then the things they could play for, they kind of throw away, but I just think Liquid, apart from the mid-game map play that I mentioned, I think it was pretty good.
So overall, it was nice. Whereas XG, they've shown us better games, so rush that one away and take something from it.
Yeah, I mean also you have to look again. I hate the spirit breaker pick with a passion
but then when you think about liquid how they look at this through draft and play,
Mikkei also has some you know clear choices and how he wants to approach that right with his
optimization. No I absolutely like it because sure a pick can be bad but you need to like really
abuse it to the fullest extent so I want to show like what they did because it's sometimes normal
that your Pulse 5 starts with boots but look at Mikkei. He actually went for boots, naked first
item on the carry.
Oh, here's a bronze.
Sure, but like no regen, no nothing, because usually you go for the stats, right?
Because you're going to be contested.
But it's two melee noobs that don't want to interact with you, so just buy the item,
to abuse them, chase them, easy game.
I'm really trying hard not to keep flaming through a breaker.
You did ram, I think he got cooked pretty hard.
It was the worst thing.
But then I had to listen to like SVG flame the hero.
It's not the hero's fault.
You know what, you put him in like such a bad draft edition.
He didn't say it was mainly because of the draft.
Sure, I got to admit that part.
I might have gone to a toilet during that point and had to take out the...
And I would...
You're cooking him up by a carrot.
Even way, the point is, you know...
Done.
XG lost.
That's okay.
Happens.
Box you though.
He's shown.
Let's talk about some PMA things.
No, Absolute Beast.
Like this, I love this guy.
Like his post-4, when he's allowed to do stuff like this,
like he will own the map.
And it's like just if you look at all these such, you know, the coil into the top spec, you break the coil, you get like this clutch kill.
Again, like all the kills that happened on Ame, this game, or the kills that were nullified, it's always Boxy going in first, making it easy for his team.
Like this guy on his task, or whether it's Clock or the Tiny like here, he is like the main gameplay and like the main force that drives it forward for Liquid.
So, Boxy, to me, many, many times, the standout player for this team.
But the thing for me with Tiny is, I love watching Tiny's when they have the Turtles.
We saw Tundra, the Tiny, the Shadow Fiend.
We had it earlier today.
We had Tiny, Leshrac, where Yasukai and Leshrac
to get the stuns off.
Then here, as you saw, Tiny's into Ice Path tosses.
Tiny's a great repositioning hero,
an annoying skirmishing four.
But paired with the correct hero, like you were mentioning,
it just amplifies his gameplay.
So I really like enjoying the little combos
that you just, wow, the fight is broken because of it.
I mean, this placement has always been pretty OP.
And I don't know whether it's Batrider, Venge, Swap,
or now the Tiny tosses.
But like you're saying, you need the right game for it.
And I do think, like we talked about, but actually, I do feel like they kind of handed it away like pretty strongly.
Like it's been a while where I questioned like some of the early picks this much, because obviously Dota is very complex.
You want to simplify it, make the game easy for yourself. I don't think they did that here at all.
No, but luckily going into a disc camera, that's how good I am with this.
Anyway, going into day three, the best of ones, the standings.
And like we said before, previous Blast Slams, we've kind of seen the teams drift towards the top and we're like,
Oh, top two, it's looking like day three won't really be able to impact that, but we've mentioned it through cap at the end of the cast, us introducing this, uh, this panel, there are these four teams, even Yandex, like I said, on that four free able to creep up, like it really is anyone's game going for that second spot.
It is quite unlikely that we're going to see Tundra drop multiple games to also kind of join them. I would argue they do have OG Falcon spirit and ex-g2 play. So maybe I take that back. There is a, well, the four teams I mentioned.
Those are good teams. They're all pretty good teams.
So, you know what?
There is a chance that maybe Tundra also could drop.
I, uh...
Why'd they take my analysis, then?
They are...
I feel like everyone's a bit shaky.
Like, it's not that strange to go into these games
and, like, not knowing who's really gonna win.
Like, even if I look at the bottom of the bracket,
mouths are, like, super cringing and up there,
what, two and five? Spirit were down there.
Yeah. Falcons were, like, three and four,
which is also not that good for them, so...
Ragnos 2 games, which was gig at the spare.
Yeah, they're like...
Anything... It's just Dota 2. Like, anything happens.
Yeah, and we're gonna of course see what's happening tomorrow with a schedule. There we go
It'll point to the camera and I'm not gonna lads. I'll be real just again
Like I said yesterday screenshot it fine and person set yourself like there's so many games happening tomorrow
Pick and choose what teams you like pick what you know, which stream you want to follow which team you want to follow if you're an RV fan
Good luck. They're also five and three. So maybe there's a route you want to follow there
But there's plenty of games after tomorrow. We are moving towards the best of three the last chance
So that is where kind of the rule kind of tenacity will come into play
But it is still like it's it's so refreshing that tomorrow has true value in that second spot like again
It's I want to see like let's say you're like the 12th place team
And you know you're not making it if you're playing up against a team who can get second play your heart out
Like make sure you drag that team into the depths of the last chance with you
Especially because you know like how nice you play these rules for you like well
We're out like who cares but you actually know that the games matter like even if it doesn't change
your placement, you know you're still gonna play after you need to improve, you can like
do better to let them just take it into the next day, so that's what I like.
Yeah and you know it doesn't matter. I'm talking because we can send it to the end screen, the
credits and whatnot, getting to tomorrow the best of ones, so thank you very much for watching.
Tomorrow we'll find out who's winning. Bye bye!
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